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earlier attempt to just quote excerpts concerning the gold issue notwithstanding). In other words, the Congo issue sets the scene of what was to happen. But I guess this is too difficult for you to comprehend, hence you understood it as the cause of the crisis. If the Congo loot set the scene for what was to happened: Dr. Obote ursurping all powers from a SITTING PRESIDENT and COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF, then can we definitively say the Congo loot was the cause of the crisis?? Kasangwawo sometime I wonder. What finally happened that you described as: - Obote illegally usurped all powers vested in the President of Uganda and abolished the offices of the President and Vice-President. - Obote illegally suspended and later abrogated the Constitution of Uganda which had been negotiated and agreed upon by all Ugandans. - Obote surrounded the House of Parliament with soldiers and forced the pigeonhole constitution down the throats of Ugandans without the MPs ever getting the chance to read it, let aside debate it. - Obote consequently violated the federal arrangement, the basis on which Uganda had gained independence. - Obote illegally arrested and detained five ministers. - Obote authorized the movement of troops in his preparation to overthrow the constitution, thereby threatening the safety of the country. - Obote even personally harassed Kabaka Mutesa by sealing up State House and not allowing the President to remove his personal effects. were not the cause of the crisis!! These were actions in the crisis - in other words, the crisis was already on!! The above actions were only ways and means to settle it!! Fool!! The cause of the crisis was Congo loot, that led to Grace Ibingira calling for vote of non-confidence of the Prime Minister as the leader of government, when in fact Dr. Obote, as the Prime Minister, was not even in parliament!! If as you would like readers to believe, Kabaka was indeed the President and Commander-in-Chief, then why on earth would Ibingira proposed that instead a vote of Non-confidence be conducted against Dr. Obote? Could it be because Dr. Obote had already carried out all the actions you described, quoted above, that to you were the cause of the crisis?? Which one came first kasangwawo? Was it Ibingira's call for vote of non-confidence or - Obote illegally usurped all powers vested in the President of Uganda and abolished the offices of the President and Vice-President. - Obote illegally suspended and later abrogated the Constitution of Uganda which had been negotiated and agreed upon by all Ugandans..?? Do you see a fool in the mirror now? Ocii jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ocii, it is quite tedious to try and discuss something with an ignorant person who doesn't even acknowledge that fact and simply refuses to learn. You asked me the reasons for the crisis and I reiterated them for you, but you are saying you don't see them and yet you give no reason yourself. Are you able to read what others write up to the end ? In any case, why don't you tell the readers what YOU think the causes were ? The fact is, underlying all his erratic behaviour was Obote's pathological lust for power. And don't be fooled that he could have been in position to form a government without KY. The fact that he was ready to enter this marriage of convenience by pretending that he supported KY's cause is just confirmation that he wanted power by any means possible. Without his insatiable lust for power, the 1966 crisis would not have taken place. Period ! I fail to understand your logic (if there is any at all). After usurping all powers, Obote was a whole Commander-in-Chief TWICE and he was deposed by his own army TWICE ! Should Ugandans then look at Obote as merely a sitting duck kind of Commander-in-Chief, completely useless for Uganda ? Should they ?I am not taking you for a fool - you are actually one. Kasangwawo. Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:39:33 -0500From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: [Ugnet] Fwd: Obote was right to attack Lubiri (Abbey Semuwemba)To: ugandanet@kym.net Heheheh, Kasangwawo, you just are making me laugh. Back up, back up for a second. You are way ahead in your hurry to indict Dr. Obote over the 1966 crisis!! Before Dr. Obote woke up that very morning to ursap all powers from a sitting President and Commander-in-Chief, what had happened to cause Dr. Obote to do so? There must have been reasons to do so; not just thirst for power like you would want us to believe. If Dr. Obote wanted power by any means, he would not have even agreed to form the government with KY and the Kabaka! You have just denyed that Congo's gold loot was not the cause of the crisis. Okay, if that is what you want readers to believe. But please tell us the cause of the crisis. What was the cause of the crisis Kasangwawo? Dr. Obote could not have woken up that faithful morning in 1966 to ursap all powers from
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from Congo or participating in any plans to overthrow the Constitution. As to the suspension of Amin, he said that there were still legal hitches to be straightened out before Parliament's resolution could be put into effect. Meanwhile, Onama, Amin and Nekyon also denied the accusations and demanded an apology from Ochieng within two days, which Ochieng rightly ignored. On 15th February the Cabinet asked Obote to read a statement to the press announcing its decision to set up a judicial commission to investigate Ochieng's allegations. He also called on Ochieng to make a statement to the police by 19th February. Ochieng made the statement to the police but instead of suspension, Obote promoted Amin to the post of Commander of Uganda Army with effect from 23rd February 1966 and created a new post of Military Advisor to the Cabinet into which he moved Brigadier Opolot. (this is nowadays called 'putting someone on katebe'). On 22nd February, Obote out of the blue staged a coup d'etat against his own government and usurped all powers with the following statement: 'In the interest of national stability and public security and tranquility, I have today, the 22nd day of February 1966, taken over all powers of the government of Uganda. (under which article of the constitution ?) I shall henceforth be advised by a Council whose members I shall name later. I have taken this course of action independently because of my understanding of the wishes of the people of this country for peace, order and prosperity. (yeah, right !) Five former ministers have today been put under detention pending investigations into their activities. I call upon the judges and magistrates, civil servants - both Uganda and expatriate members of the security forces and the general public to carry on with their normal duties. I take this opportunity to assure everybody that the whole situation is under control.' The five ministers who were arrested during a cabinet meeting and put under detention were: Dr. E.S. Lumu - Minister of Health and Chairman of UPC Buganda Region; Grace Ibingira - Minister of State and Chairman of UPC Ankole Kingdom; M. Ngobi - Minister of Agriculture Cooperatives; B.K. Kirya - Minister of Mineral and Water Resources and Chairman of UPC Bukedi District and G.B. Magezi - Minister of Housing and Labour. Obote's acts were the beginning of unconstitutionalism in Uganda.))) Mr. Kasangwawo if from the above writing you cannot see that Kabaka Mutesa had completely no case agains Dr. Obote's government of that time then I seriously shudder. Ochieng was apparently a KY. And given the security concern in Buganda,(NOT throughout Uganda, that was KY manipulations) KY being suspected, and consider further that all these allegagtions and accussations that led to the 1966 crisis were just about the brain child of (Ochieng?), do you seriously see a case against Dr. Obote 1 government? I have highlighted part of what I consider either important or outright flaw, in making decision on the crisis, in blue. I seriously don't see any fault by Dr. Obote in making a move against the Unity government. It was the Kabaka and his KY, that Ochieng was fronting for, who were grossly mistaken and definitely engaged in acts of sedition in attempting to assume power by any means. I could be entirely wrong. Ocii jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BWambuga, is it then any surprise that this topic of Buganda/Obote keeps coming up, when people like you are persisting on distributing misinformation about what really happened ? It is not about whether Obote was stupid or dumb. It is a well-known fact that he was cunning as a fox and ready to usurp all powers by any means. This included pretending to be nice to people he didn't particularly like, in order to deceive them about his ultimate intentions. So it is no wonder that Buganda and the Kabaka at first believed him. But it didn't take long for his true colours to come out. In his book (the correct name is Desecration of my kingdom), Kabaka Mutesa II clearly explained the reasons why he, in his capacity as President, had requested for foreign troops. The request for troops was not to invade Uganda, as you and Obote claim, but on the contrary, it was an attempt to save the country from a Prime Minister who was bent on overthrowing the constitution by force of arms and wrest all powers to himself. Statements had been made by members of parliament that troops were secretly being trained to do just that. Army officers who did not share this illegal aim were even detained or suspended. On his return to Kampala from his hiding place in the North in February 1966, Obote himself admitted that there was great alarm due to troop movements, especially in Kampala. Neither Mutesa, as the Commander-in-Chief, nor the Brigadier, who was head of the army, had authorized these troop movements. Obote had ordered the movements himself. The Kabaka
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Feb. until 12th Feb. All MPs present on both sides of the House, except government-backbencher John Kakonge, agreed to the suspension of Idi Amin and the police investigations. Nevertheless, Colonel Amin was just given two weeks' leave in contradiction to Parliament's wishes. Kakonge curiously stated that Obote's absence was suspicious. On 13th February 1966, nine days after the accusations against him, Obote called a press conference and denied ever receiving gold or tusks from Congo or participating in any plans to overthrow the Constitution. As to the suspension of Amin, he said that there were still legal hitches to be straightened out before Parliament's resolution could be put into effect. Meanwhile, Onama, Amin and Nekyon also denied the accusations and demanded an apology from Ochieng within two days, which Ochieng rightly ignored. On 15th February the Cabinet asked Obote to read a statement to the press announcing its decision to set up a judicial commission to investigate Ochieng's allegations. He also called on Ochieng to make a statement to the police by 19th February. Ochieng made the statement to the police but instead of suspension, Obote promoted Amin to the post of Commander of Uganda Army with effect from 23rd February 1966 and created a new post of Military Advisor to the Cabinet into which he moved Brigadier Opolot. (this is nowadays called 'putting someone on katebe'). On 22nd February, Obote out of the blue staged a coup d'etat against his own government and usurped all powers with the following statement: 'In the interest of national stability and public security and tranquility, I have today, the 22nd day of February 1966, taken over all powers of the government of Uganda. (under which article of the constitution ?) I shall henceforth be advised by a Council whose members I shall name later. I have taken this course of action independently because of my understanding of the wishes of the people of this country for peace, order and prosperity. (yeah, right !) Five former ministers have today been put under detention pending investigations into their activities. I call upon the judges and magistrates, civil servants - both Uganda and expatriate members of the security forces and the general public to carry on with their normal duties. I take this opportunity to assure everybody that the whole situation is under control.' The five ministers who were arrested during a cabinet meeting and put under detention were: Dr. E.S. Lumu - Minister of Health and Chairman of UPC Buganda Region; Grace Ibingira - Minister of State and Chairman of UPC Ankole Kingdom; M. Ngobi - Minister of Agriculture Cooperatives; B.K. Kirya - Minister of Mineral and Water Resources and Chairman of UPC Bukedi District and G.B. Magezi - Minister of Housing and Labour. Obote's acts were the beginning of unconstitutionalism in Uganda.))) Mr. Kasangwawo if from the above writing you cannot see that Kabaka Mutesa had completely no case agains Dr. Obote's government of that time then I seriously shudder. Ochieng was apparently a KY. And given the security concern in Buganda,(NOT throughout Uganda, that was KY manipulations) KY being suspected, and consider further that all these allegagtions and accussations that led to the 1966 crisis were just about the brain child of (Ochieng?), do you seriously see a case against Dr. Obote 1 government? I have highlighted part of what I consider either important or outright flaw, in making decision on the crisis, in blue. I seriously don't see any fault by Dr. Obote in making a move against the Unity government. It was the Kabaka and his KY, that Ochieng was fronting for, who were grossly mistaken and definitely engaged in acts of sedition in attempting to assume power by any means. I could be entirely wrong. Ocii jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BWambuga, is it then any surprise that this topic of Buganda/Obote keeps coming up, when people like you are persisting on distributing misinformation about what really happened ? It is not about whether Obote was stupid or dumb. It is a well-known fact that he was cunning as a fox and ready to usurp all powers by any means. This included pretending to be nice to people he didn't particularly like, in order to deceive them about his ultimate intentions. So it is no wonder that Buganda and the Kabaka at first believed him. But it didn't take long for his true colours to come out. In his book (the correct name is Desecration of my kingdom), Kabaka Mutesa II clearly explained the reasons why he, in his capacity as President, had requested for foreign troops. The request for troops was not to invade Uganda, as you and Obote claim, but on the contrary, it was an attempt to save the country from a Prime Minister who was bent on overthrowing the constitution by force of arms and wrest all powers to himself. Statements had been made by members of parliament that troops were
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No, no, no way. I thought you restricted yourself to Acholi men ! What I meant was that they had read what you wrote about them and they now know you are playing them (unless you made sure that they don't read ugandanet). Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:57:52 -0500From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: [Ugnet] Fwd: Obote was right to attack Lubiri (Abbey Semuwemba)To: ugandanet@kym.net No! They don't know each other. Or what do you mean? Are you adding yourself to my list? You are welcome. jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good for you, but They don't know each other ? Well, they do now. Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:09:37 -0500From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: [Ugnet] Fwd: Obote was right to attack Lubiri (Abbey Semuwemba)To: ugandanet@kym.net Extreme feminist? Hey, a woman gotta do what a woman gotta do! I have new Acholi boyfriends and they love me totally. They don't know each other but they know that I see other people. So...I live in paradise. Life is good. man! Life is sweet. What is new with you? Nice to see you again. Anyojonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyo, yes, I think I remember you. Aren't you the 'penetration' lady ? I hope you got over your problems with your former Acholi boyfriend. But did you have to turn into a extreme feminist just because things didn't work out ? 2003 ? I think that's an exaggeration, I haven't been away that long. I've just been busy lately trying to secure my mailo land, lest the balaalo get some ideas. Kasangwawo Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:02:41 -0500From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: [Ugnet] Fwd: Obote was right to attack Lubiri (Abbey Semuwemba)To: ugandanet@kym.net Hey Kasangwawo, what's up? I remember you from 2003? Wow! I have not been reading Ugandanet regulary so it feels like I have not read you since 2003..possible. How have you been? I am so happy to read you. What's up? I missed you a lot. Remember me? jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ocii, I'm not quite sure I understood your first question. Are you now questioning whether Kabaka Mutesa was Commander-in-Chief or not ? As for your other questions, instead of hurrying to make an attempt to rebut what I said, maybe you should first follow the link I provided. You might find that a lot of what you are asking is redundant. Kasangwawo. Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:37:05 -0500From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: [Ugnet] Fwd: Obote was right to attack Lubiri (Abbey Semuwemba)To: ugandanet@kym.net Kasangwawo, Something doesn't make sense to me in what you have written. First, if Kabaka Mutesa was the commander in chief, then why was Dr. Obote vested with power to even make changes in the army but not the Kabaka? Shouldn't that tell you that the presidency of the Kabaka was merely ceremonial? Second, you wrote: In his book (the correct name is Desecration of my kingdom), Kabaka Mutesa II clearly explained the reasons why he, in his capacity as President, had requested for foreign troops. The request for troops was not to invade Uganda, as you and Obote claim, but on the contrary, it was an attempt to save the country from a Prime Minister who was bent on overthrowing the constitution by force of arms and wrest all powers to himself. Obviously the Prime Minister could not have engaged in overthrowing the constitution WITHOUT any PRIOR REASON/S to do so!! So, my question to you who read the Kabaka's book is, WHY WAS OBOTE FIGHTING TO OVERTHROW THE CONSTITUTION, if at all he faught to overthrow it?? I am sure Kabaka Mutesa must have offered REASON/S to such an allegation. Waiting. Ociijonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BWambuga, is it then any surprise that this topic of Buganda/Obote keeps coming up, when people like you are persisting on distributing misinformation about what really happened ? It is not about whether Obote was stupid or dumb. It is a well-known fact that he was cunning as a fox and ready to usurp all powers by any means. This included pretending to be nice to people he didn't particularly like, in order to deceive them about his ultimate intentions. So it is no wonder that Buganda and the Kabaka at first believed him. But it didn't take long for his true colours to come out. In his book (the correct name is Desecration of my kingdom), Kabaka Mutesa II clearly explained the reasons why he, in his capacity as President, had requested for foreign troops. The request for troops was not to invade Uganda, as you and Obote claim, but on the contrary, it was an attempt to save the country from a Prime Minister who was bent on overthrowing the constitution by force of arms and wrest all powers to himself. Statements had been made by members of parliament that troops were secretly being trained to do just that. Army officers who did not share this illegal aim were even detained or suspended. On his return to Kampala from his hiding place in the North in February 1966, Obote himself admitted that there was great alarm due to troop
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Good for you, but They don't know each other ? Well, they do now. Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:09:37 -0500From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: [Ugnet] Fwd: Obote was right to attack Lubiri (Abbey Semuwemba)To: ugandanet@kym.net Extreme feminist? Hey, a woman gotta do what a woman gotta do! I have new Acholi boyfriends and they love me totally. They don't know each other but they know that I see other people. So...I live in paradise. Life is good. man! Life is sweet. What is new with you? Nice to see you again. Anyojonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyo, yes, I think I remember you. Aren't you the 'penetration' lady ? I hope you got over your problems with your former Acholi boyfriend. But did you have to turn into a extreme feminist just because things didn't work out ? 2003 ? I think that's an exaggeration, I haven't been away that long. I've just been busy lately trying to secure my mailo land, lest the balaalo get some ideas. Kasangwawo Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:02:41 -0500From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: [Ugnet] Fwd: Obote was right to attack Lubiri (Abbey Semuwemba)To: ugandanet@kym.net Hey Kasangwawo, what's up? I remember you from 2003? Wow! I have not been reading Ugandanet regulary so it feels like I have not read you since 2003..possible. How have you been? I am so happy to read you. What's up? I missed you a lot. Remember me? jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ocii, I'm not quite sure I understood your first question. Are you now questioning whether Kabaka Mutesa was Commander-in-Chief or not ? As for your other questions, instead of hurrying to make an attempt to rebut what I said, maybe you should first follow the link I provided. You might find that a lot of what you are asking is redundant. Kasangwawo. Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:37:05 -0500From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: [Ugnet] Fwd: Obote was right to attack Lubiri (Abbey Semuwemba)To: ugandanet@kym.net Kasangwawo, Something doesn't make sense to me in what you have written. First, if Kabaka Mutesa was the commander in chief, then why was Dr. Obote vested with power to even make changes in the army but not the Kabaka? Shouldn't that tell you that the presidency of the Kabaka was merely ceremonial? Second, you wrote: In his book (the correct name is Desecration of my kingdom), Kabaka Mutesa II clearly explained the reasons why he, in his capacity as President, had requested for foreign troops. The request for troops was not to invade Uganda, as you and Obote claim, but on the contrary, it was an attempt to save the country from a Prime Minister who was bent on overthrowing the constitution by force of arms and wrest all powers to himself. Obviously the Prime Minister could not have engaged in overthrowing the constitution WITHOUT any PRIOR REASON/S to do so!! So, my question to you who read the Kabaka's book is, WHY WAS OBOTE FIGHTING TO OVERTHROW THE CONSTITUTION, if at all he faught to overthrow it?? I am sure Kabaka Mutesa must have offered REASON/S to such an allegation. Waiting. Ociijonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BWambuga, is it then any surprise that this topic of Buganda/Obote keeps coming up, when people like you are persisting on distributing misinformation about what really happened ? It is not about whether Obote was stupid or dumb. It is a well-known fact that he was cunning as a fox and ready to usurp all powers by any means. This included pretending to be nice to people he didn't particularly like, in order to deceive them about his ultimate intentions. So it is no wonder that Buganda and the Kabaka at first believed him. But it didn't take long for his true colours to come out. In his book (the correct name is Desecration of my kingdom), Kabaka Mutesa II clearly explained the reasons why he, in his capacity as President, had requested for foreign troops. The request for troops was not to invade Uganda, as you and Obote claim, but on the contrary, it was an attempt to save the country from a Prime Minister who was bent on overthrowing the constitution by force of arms and wrest all powers to himself. Statements had been made by members of parliament that troops were secretly being trained to do just that. Army officers who did not share this illegal aim were even detained or suspended. On his return to Kampala from his hiding place in the North in February 1966, Obote himself admitted that there was great alarm due to troop movements, especially in Kampala. Neither Mutesa, as the Commander-in-Chief, nor the Brigadier, who was head of the army, had authorized these troop movements. Obote had ordered the movements himself. The Kabaka states in the book that when he requested for foreign troops, he was thinking about something similar to the intervention Obote had initiated 2 years before this incident. Hopefully you are aware that in 1964 Obote had invited British troops to quell a mutiny by Uganda soldiers in Jinja who, incidentally
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: [Ugnet] Fwd: Obote was right to attack Lubiri (Abbey Semuwemba)Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:09:28 + DMN, still alive and kicking, thanks man. Just took a break from these revisionists to attend to more important issues. Kasangwawo. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Ugnet] Fwd: Obote was right to attack Lubiri (Abbey Semuwemba)Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:50:08 +0300 Kasangwawo, Where have you been ? You have been off the net for too long ! I was wondering. Nice to hear from you again. DMN - Original Message - From: jonah kasangwawo To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:12 PM Subject: RE: [Ugnet] Fwd: Obote was right to attack Lubiri (Abbey Semuwemba) BWambuga, is it then any surprise that this topic of Buganda/Obote keeps coming up, when people like you are persisting on distributing misinformation about what really happened ? It is not about whether Obote was stupid or dumb. It is a well-known fact that he was cunning as a fox and ready to usurp all powers by any means. This included pretending to be nice to people he didn't particularly like, in order to deceive them about his ultimate intentions. So it is no wonder that Buganda and the Kabaka at first believed him. But it didn't take long for his true colours to come out. In his book (the correct name is Desecration of my kingdom), Kabaka Mutesa II clearly explained the reasons why he, in his capacity as President, had requested for foreign troops. The request for troops was not to invade Uganda, as you and Obote claim, but on the contrary, it was an attempt to save the country from a Prime Minister who was bent on overthrowing the constitution by force of arms and wrest all powers to himself. Statements had been made by members of parliament that troops were secretly being trained to do just that. Army officers who did not share this illegal aim were even detained or suspended. On his return to Kampala from his hiding place in the North in February 1966, Obote himself admitted that there was great alarm due to troop movements, especially in Kampala. Neither Mutesa, as the Commander-in-Chief, nor the Brigadier, who was head of the army, had authorized these troop movements. Obote had ordered the movements himself. The Kabaka states in the book that when he requested for foreign troops, he was thinking about something similar to the intervention Obote had initiated 2 years before this incident. Hopefully you are aware that in 1964 Obote had invited British troops to quell a mutiny by Uganda soldiers in Jinja who, incidentally, were not attempting to take over the country but rather were just demanding for higher pay. This he did without informing the President who was Commander-in-Chief of the Uganda Army. It appears this was his modus operandi. In any case, Obote used this incident to sack some soldiers and promote those he wanted in control to carry out his illegal manipulations, among them the then Major Idi Amin. If you want to learn more about this go to the following link: http://www.federo.com/index.php?id=144The claim that Obote's regime wired money to the Kabaka when he was in exile in London is also a myth, without an iota of truth. There is concrete evidence that Obote's government kept on protesting about the treatment they thought the British were giving to the Kabaka (Obote felt they were still treating him as king by refering to him as Kabaka). The British govt. on the other hand was not ready to support the Kabaka financially or otherwise, leaving him to rely on support of friends - they were even pressurizing him to sell his property back home in Buganda in order for him to survive. In short, they viewed him as a burden. In these circumstances, the British would not mind anyone giving him support, as long as it wasn't them. Therefore, for you to claim that they were concerned about the Uganda government wiring him money, is an outright lie. The only proposal Obote's government was ready to consider was the remittance of private funds (from the sale of Kabaka's property) to England for Sir Edward. Kasangwawo. Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:46:42 -0700From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [Ugnet] Fwd: Obote was right to attack Lubiri (Abbey Semuwemba)B Wambuga2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:45:40 -0700 (PDT)From: B Wambuga2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Obote was right to attack Lubiri (Abbey Semuwemba)To: Ugandans At Heart [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: Bwambuga [EMAIL PROTECTED] “Buganda should forget Dr. Obote, who has long departed to join his creator, and move on with what is here to be done if they are to avoid becoming irrelevant in the Ugandan context.” My friend Abbey Semuwembo, Your article was great in your attempt to place the blame on Dr. Milton Obote’s door steps. I was indeed intrigued by it since one
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Anyo, yes, I think I remember you. Aren't you the 'penetration' lady ? I hope you got over your problems with your former Acholi boyfriend. But did you have to turn into a extreme feminist just because things didn't work out ? 2003 ? I think that's an exaggeration, I haven't been away that long. I've just been busy lately trying to secure my mailo land, lest the balaalo get some ideas. Kasangwawo Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:02:41 -0500From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: [Ugnet] Fwd: Obote was right to attack Lubiri (Abbey Semuwemba)To: ugandanet@kym.net Hey Kasangwawo, what's up? I remember you from 2003? Wow! I have not been reading Ugandanet regulary so it feels like I have not read you since 2003..possible. How have you been? I am so happy to read you. What's up? I missed you a lot. Remember me? jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ocii, I'm not quite sure I understood your first question. Are you now questioning whether Kabaka Mutesa was Commander-in-Chief or not ? As for your other questions, instead of hurrying to make an attempt to rebut what I said, maybe you should first follow the link I provided. You might find that a lot of what you are asking is redundant. Kasangwawo. Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:37:05 -0500From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: [Ugnet] Fwd: Obote was right to attack Lubiri (Abbey Semuwemba)To: ugandanet@kym.net Kasangwawo, Something doesn't make sense to me in what you have written. First, if Kabaka Mutesa was the commander in chief, then why was Dr. Obote vested with power to even make changes in the army but not the Kabaka? Shouldn't that tell you that the presidency of the Kabaka was merely ceremonial? Second, you wrote: In his book (the correct name is Desecration of my kingdom), Kabaka Mutesa II clearly explained the reasons why he, in his capacity as President, had requested for foreign troops. The request for troops was not to invade Uganda, as you and Obote claim, but on the contrary, it was an attempt to save the country from a Prime Minister who was bent on overthrowing the constitution by force of arms and wrest all powers to himself. Obviously the Prime Minister could not have engaged in overthrowing the constitution WITHOUT any PRIOR REASON/S to do so!! So, my question to you who read the Kabaka's book is, WHY WAS OBOTE FIGHTING TO OVERTHROW THE CONSTITUTION, if at all he faught to overthrow it?? I am sure Kabaka Mutesa must have offered REASON/S to such an allegation. Waiting. Ociijonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BWambuga, is it then any surprise that this topic of Buganda/Obote keeps coming up, when people like you are persisting on distributing misinformation about what really happened ? It is not about whether Obote was stupid or dumb. It is a well-known fact that he was cunning as a fox and ready to usurp all powers by any means. This included pretending to be nice to people he didn't particularly like, in order to deceive them about his ultimate intentions. So it is no wonder that Buganda and the Kabaka at first believed him. But it didn't take long for his true colours to come out. In his book (the correct name is Desecration of my kingdom), Kabaka Mutesa II clearly explained the reasons why he, in his capacity as President, had requested for foreign troops. The request for troops was not to invade Uganda, as you and Obote claim, but on the contrary, it was an attempt to save the country from a Prime Minister who was bent on overthrowing the constitution by force of arms and wrest all powers to himself. Statements had been made by members of parliament that troops were secretly being trained to do just that. Army officers who did not share this illegal aim were even detained or suspended. On his return to Kampala from his hiding place in the North in February 1966, Obote himself admitted that there was great alarm due to troop movements, especially in Kampala. Neither Mutesa, as the Commander-in-Chief, nor the Brigadier, who was head of the army, had authorized these troop movements. Obote had ordered the movements himself. The Kabaka states in the book that when he requested for foreign troops, he was thinking about something similar to the intervention Obote had initiated 2 years before this incident. Hopefully you are aware that in 1964 Obote had invited British troops to quell a mutiny by Uganda soldiers in Jinja who, incidentally, were not attempting to take over the country but rather were just demanding for higher pay. This he did without informing the President who was Commander-in-Chief of the Uganda Army. It appears this was his modus operandi. In any case, Obote used this incident to sack some soldiers and promote those he wanted in control to carry out his illegal manipulations, among them the then Major Idi Amin. If you want to learn more about this go to the following link: http://www.federo.com/index.php?id=144The claim that Obote's regime wired money
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Ocii, first of all, I'm not a messenger of anybody. I was just correcting the misinformation from Bwambuga about why the Kabaka requested for foreign troops, and if you still can't see the reasons, then I'm afraid I can't help you. Secondly, you call what I wrote propaganda and yet you can't refute any of the facts apart from saying that YOU would know (were you his henchman ?). That Obote wanted to overthrow the constitution and wrest all powers is rather puerile ? Well, didn't he overthrow the constitution and grab all powers ? What's puerile about that ? It seems to me you want to argue about things you don't know anything about. I put it to you that Kabaka Mutesa II was Commander-in-Chief of the Uganda Army,(i.e. before Obote grabbed all powers and took over this post as well). I never spoke about Chief of Staff, which is a completely different post. You better check your facts again. Kasangwawo. Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:37:29 -0500From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: [Ugnet] Fwd: Obote was right to attack Lubiri (Abbey Semuwemba)To: ugandanet@kym.net Kasangwawo, As a messagner of Kabaka Mutesa, and someone who read his book, I thought you would be in position to let readers know these reasons, other than attempting to spew pure propaganda, that false short of satisfying readers you are trying to convince. To claim that Dr. Obote wanted to overthrow the constitution, to wrestle all powers to himself is rather puerile. For some of us, we would know WHY Dr. Obote was trying to overthrow the constitution and wrestle all powers onto himself! As per the same question, Kasangwawo you understood me very well! Correct I am questioning the Chief of Staff status of the Kabaka then, as the President of a newly independent Ugandan, of which the Prime Minister, was the most powerful! Much like the Canadian Prime Minister is more powerful than the Governor General, a position an Haitian born woman is now holding. Ociijonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ocii, I'm not quite sure I understood your first question. Are you now questioning whether Kabaka Mutesa was Commander-in-Chief or not ? As for your other questions, instead of hurrying to make an attempt to rebut what I said, maybe you should first follow the link I provided. You might find that a lot of what you are asking is redundant. Kasangwawo. Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:37:05 -0500From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: [Ugnet] Fwd: Obote was right to attack Lubiri (Abbey Semuwemba)To: ugandanet@kym.net Kasangwawo, Something doesn't make sense to me in what you have written. First, if Kabaka Mutesa was the commander in chief, then why was Dr. Obote vested with power to even make changes in the army but not the Kabaka? Shouldn't that tell you that the presidency of the Kabaka was merely ceremonial? Second, you wrote: In his book (the correct name is Desecration of my kingdom), Kabaka Mutesa II clearly explained the reasons why he, in his capacity as President, had requested for foreign troops. The request for troops was not to invade Uganda, as you and Obote claim, but on the contrary, it was an attempt to save the country from a Prime Minister who was bent on overthrowing the constitution by force of arms and wrest all powers to himself. Obviously the Prime Minister could not have engaged in overthrowing the constitution WITHOUT any PRIOR REASON/S to do so!! So, my question to you who read the Kabaka's book is, WHY WAS OBOTE FIGHTING TO OVERTHROW THE CONSTITUTION, if at all he faught to overthrow it?? I am sure Kabaka Mutesa must have offered REASON/S to such an allegation. Waiting. Ociijonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BWambuga, is it then any surprise that this topic of Buganda/Obote keeps coming up, when people like you are persisting on distributing misinformation about what really happened ? It is not about whether Obote was stupid or dumb. It is a well-known fact that he was cunning as a fox and ready to usurp all powers by any means. This included pretending to be nice to people he didn't particularly like, in order to deceive them about his ultimate intentions. So it is no wonder that Buganda and the Kabaka at first believed him. But it didn't take long for his true colours to come out. In his book (the correct name is Desecration of my kingdom), Kabaka Mutesa II clearly explained the reasons why he, in his capacity as President, had requested for foreign troops. The request for troops was not to invade Uganda, as you and Obote claim, but on the contrary, it was an attempt to save the country from a Prime Minister who was bent on overthrowing the constitution by force of arms and wrest all powers to himself. Statements had been made by members of parliament that troops were secretly being trained to do just that. Army officers who did not share this illegal aim were even detained or suspended. On his return to Kampala from his hiding place in the North in February 1966,
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Ocii, first of all, I'm not a messenger of anybody. I was just correcting the misinformation from Bwambuga about why the Kabaka requested for foreign troops, and if you still can't see the reasons, then I'm afraid I can't help you. Secondly, you call what I wrote propaganda and yet you can't refute any of the facts apart from saying that YOU would know (were you his henchman ?). That Obote wanted to overthrow the constitution and wrest all powers is rather puerile ? Well, didn't he overthrow the constitution and grab all powers ? What's puerile about that ? It seems to me you want to argue about things you don't know anything about. I put it to you that Kabaka Mutesa II was Commander-in-Chief of the Uganda Army,(i.e. before Obote grabbed all powers and took over this post as well). I never spoke about Chief of Staff, which is a completely different post. You better check your facts again. Kasangwawo. Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:37:29 -0500From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: [Ugnet] Fwd: Obote was right to attack Lubiri (Abbey Semuwemba)To: ugandanet@kym.net Kasangwawo, As a messagner of Kabaka Mutesa, and someone who read his book, I thought you would be in position to let readers know these reasons, other than attempting to spew pure propaganda, that false short of satisfying readers you are trying to convince. To claim that Dr. Obote wanted to overthrow the constitution, to wrestle all powers to himself is rather puerile. For some of us, we would know WHY Dr. Obote was trying to overthrow the constitution and wrestle all powers onto himself! As per the same question, Kasangwawo you understood me very well! Correct I am questioning the Chief of Staff status of the Kabaka then, as the President of a newly independent Ugandan, of which the Prime Minister, was the most powerful! Much like the Canadian Prime Minister is more powerful than the Governor General, a position an Haitian born woman is now holding. Ociijonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ocii, I'm not quite sure I understood your first question. Are you now questioning whether Kabaka Mutesa was Commander-in-Chief or not ? As for your other questions, instead of hurrying to make an attempt to rebut what I said, maybe you should first follow the link I provided. You might find that a lot of what you are asking is redundant. Kasangwawo. Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:37:05 -0500From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: [Ugnet] Fwd: Obote was right to attack Lubiri (Abbey Semuwemba)To: ugandanet@kym.net Kasangwawo, Something doesn't make sense to me in what you have written. First, if Kabaka Mutesa was the commander in chief, then why was Dr. Obote vested with power to even make changes in the army but not the Kabaka? Shouldn't that tell you that the presidency of the Kabaka was merely ceremonial? Second, you wrote: In his book (the correct name is Desecration of my kingdom), Kabaka Mutesa II clearly explained the reasons why he, in his capacity as President, had requested for foreign troops. The request for troops was not to invade Uganda, as you and Obote claim, but on the contrary, it was an attempt to save the country from a Prime Minister who was bent on overthrowing the constitution by force of arms and wrest all powers to himself. Obviously the Prime Minister could not have engaged in overthrowing the constitution WITHOUT any PRIOR REASON/S to do so!! So, my question to you who read the Kabaka's book is, WHY WAS OBOTE FIGHTING TO OVERTHROW THE CONSTITUTION, if at all he faught to overthrow it?? I am sure Kabaka Mutesa must have offered REASON/S to such an allegation. Waiting. Ociijonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BWambuga, is it then any surprise that this topic of Buganda/Obote keeps coming up, when people like you are persisting on distributing misinformation about what really happened ? It is not about whether Obote was stupid or dumb. It is a well-known fact that he was cunning as a fox and ready to usurp all powers by any means. This included pretending to be nice to people he didn't particularly like, in order to deceive them about his ultimate intentions. So it is no wonder that Buganda and the Kabaka at first believed him. But it didn't take long for his true colours to come out. In his book (the correct name is Desecration of my kingdom), Kabaka Mutesa II clearly explained the reasons why he, in his capacity as President, had requested for foreign troops. The request for troops was not to invade Uganda, as you and Obote claim, but on the contrary, it was an attempt to save the country from a Prime Minister who was bent on overthrowing the constitution by force of arms and wrest all powers to himself. Statements had been made by members of parliament that troops were secretly being trained to do just that. Army officers who did not share this illegal aim were even detained or suspended. On his return to Kampala from his hiding place in the North in February 1966, Obote
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Ocii, first of all, I'm not a messenger of anybody. I was just correcting the misinformation from Bwambuga about why the Kabaka requested for foreign troops, and if you still can't see the reasons, then I'm afraid I can't help you. Secondly, you call what I wrote propaganda and yet you can't refute any of the facts apart from saying that YOU would know (were you his henchman ?). That Obote wanted to overthrow the constitution and wrest all powers is rather puerile ? Well, didn't he overthrow the constitution and grab all powers ? What's puerile about that ? It seems to me you want to argue about things you don't know anything about. I put it to you that Kabaka Mutesa II was Commander-in-Chief of the Uganda Army,(i.e. before Obote grabbed all powers and took over this post as well). I never spoke about Chief of Staff, which is a completely different post. You better check your facts again. Kasangwawo. Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:37:29 -0500From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: [Ugnet] Fwd: Obote was right to attack Lubiri (Abbey Semuwemba)To: ugandanet@kym.net Kasangwawo, As a messagner of Kabaka Mutesa, and someone who read his book, I thought you would be in position to let readers know these reasons, other than attempting to spew pure propaganda, that false short of satisfying readers you are trying to convince. To claim that Dr. Obote wanted to overthrow the constitution, to wrestle all powers to himself is rather puerile. For some of us, we would know WHY Dr. Obote was trying to overthrow the constitution and wrestle all powers onto himself! As per the same question, Kasangwawo you understood me very well! Correct I am questioning the Chief of Staff status of the Kabaka then, as the President of a newly independent Ugandan, of which the Prime Minister, was the most powerful! Much like the Canadian Prime Minister is more powerful than the Governor General, a position an Haitian born woman is now holding. Ociijonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ocii, I'm not quite sure I understood your first question. Are you now questioning whether Kabaka Mutesa was Commander-in-Chief or not ? As for your other questions, instead of hurrying to make an attempt to rebut what I said, maybe you should first follow the link I provided. You might find that a lot of what you are asking is redundant. Kasangwawo. Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:37:05 -0500From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: [Ugnet] Fwd: Obote was right to attack Lubiri (Abbey Semuwemba)To: ugandanet@kym.net Kasangwawo, Something doesn't make sense to me in what you have written. First, if Kabaka Mutesa was the commander in chief, then why was Dr. Obote vested with power to even make changes in the army but not the Kabaka? Shouldn't that tell you that the presidency of the Kabaka was merely ceremonial? Second, you wrote: In his book (the correct name is Desecration of my kingdom), Kabaka Mutesa II clearly explained the reasons why he, in his capacity as President, had requested for foreign troops. The request for troops was not to invade Uganda, as you and Obote claim, but on the contrary, it was an attempt to save the country from a Prime Minister who was bent on overthrowing the constitution by force of arms and wrest all powers to himself. Obviously the Prime Minister could not have engaged in overthrowing the constitution WITHOUT any PRIOR REASON/S to do so!! So, my question to you who read the Kabaka's book is, WHY WAS OBOTE FIGHTING TO OVERTHROW THE CONSTITUTION, if at all he faught to overthrow it?? I am sure Kabaka Mutesa must have offered REASON/S to such an allegation. Waiting. Ociijonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BWambuga, is it then any surprise that this topic of Buganda/Obote keeps coming up, when people like you are persisting on distributing misinformation about what really happened ? It is not about whether Obote was stupid or dumb. It is a well-known fact that he was cunning as a fox and ready to usurp all powers by any means. This included pretending to be nice to people he didn't particularly like, in order to deceive them about his ultimate intentions. So it is no wonder that Buganda and the Kabaka at first believed him. But it didn't take long for his true colours to come out. In his book (the correct name is Desecration of my kingdom), Kabaka Mutesa II clearly explained the reasons why he, in his capacity as President, had requested for foreign troops. The request for troops was not to invade Uganda, as you and Obote claim, but on the contrary, it was an attempt to save the country from a Prime Minister who was bent on overthrowing the constitution by force of arms and wrest all powers to himself. Statements had been made by members of parliament that troops were secretly being trained to do just that. Army officers who did not share this illegal aim were even detained or suspended. On his return to Kampala from his hiding place in the North in February 1966,
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Ocii, I'm not quite sure I understood your first question. Are you now questioning whether Kabaka Mutesa was Commander-in-Chief or not ? As for your other questions, instead of hurrying to make an attempt to rebut what I said, maybe you should first follow the link I provided. You might find that a lot of what you are asking is redundant. Kasangwawo. Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:37:05 -0500From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: [Ugnet] Fwd: Obote was right to attack Lubiri (Abbey Semuwemba)To: ugandanet@kym.net Kasangwawo, Something doesn't make sense to me in what you have written. First, if Kabaka Mutesa was the commander in chief, then why was Dr. Obote vested with power to even make changes in the army but not the Kabaka? Shouldn't that tell you that the presidency of the Kabaka was merely ceremonial? Second, you wrote: In his book (the correct name is Desecration of my kingdom), Kabaka Mutesa II clearly explained the reasons why he, in his capacity as President, had requested for foreign troops. The request for troops was not to invade Uganda, as you and Obote claim, but on the contrary, it was an attempt to save the country from a Prime Minister who was bent on overthrowing the constitution by force of arms and wrest all powers to himself. Obviously the Prime Minister could not have engaged in overthrowing the constitution WITHOUT any PRIOR REASON/S to do so!! So, my question to you who read the Kabaka's book is, WHY WAS OBOTE FIGHTING TO OVERTHROW THE CONSTITUTION, if at all he faught to overthrow it?? I am sure Kabaka Mutesa must have offered REASON/S to such an allegation. Waiting. Ociijonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BWambuga, is it then any surprise that this topic of Buganda/Obote keeps coming up, when people like you are persisting on distributing misinformation about what really happened ? It is not about whether Obote was stupid or dumb. It is a well-known fact that he was cunning as a fox and ready to usurp all powers by any means. This included pretending to be nice to people he didn't particularly like, in order to deceive them about his ultimate intentions. So it is no wonder that Buganda and the Kabaka at first believed him. But it didn't take long for his true colours to come out. In his book (the correct name is Desecration of my kingdom), Kabaka Mutesa II clearly explained the reasons why he, in his capacity as President, had requested for foreign troops. The request for troops was not to invade Uganda, as you and Obote claim, but on the contrary, it was an attempt to save the country from a Prime Minister who was bent on overthrowing the constitution by force of arms and wrest all powers to himself. Statements had been made by members of parliament that troops were secretly being trained to do just that. Army officers who did not share this illegal aim were even detained or suspended. On his return to Kampala from his hiding place in the North in February 1966, Obote himself admitted that there was great alarm due to troop movements, especially in Kampala. Neither Mutesa, as the Commander-in-Chief, nor the Brigadier, who was head of the army, had authorized these troop movements. Obote had ordered the movements himself. The Kabaka states in the book that when he requested for foreign troops, he was thinking about something similar to the intervention Obote had initiated 2 years before this incident. Hopefully you are aware that in 1964 Obote had invited British troops to quell a mutiny by Uganda soldiers in Jinja who, incidentally, were not attempting to take over the country but rather were just demanding for higher pay. This he did without informing the President who was Commander-in-Chief of the Uganda Army. It appears this was his modus operandi. In any case, Obote used this incident to sack some soldiers and promote those he wanted in control to carry out his illegal manipulations, among them the then Major Idi Amin. If you want to learn more about this go to the following link: http://www.federo.com/index.php?id=144The claim that Obote's regime wired money to the Kabaka when he was in exile in London is also a myth, without an iota of truth. There is concrete evidence that Obote's government kept on protesting about the treatment they thought the British were giving to the Kabaka (Obote felt they were still treating him as king by refering to him as Kabaka). The British govt. on the other hand was not ready to support the Kabaka financially or otherwise, leaving him to rely on support of friends - they were even pressurizing him to sell his property back home in Buganda in order for him to survive. In short, they viewed him as a burden. In these circumstances, the British would not mind anyone giving him support, as long as it wasn't them. Therefore, for you to claim that they were concerned about the Uganda government wiring him money, is an outright lie. The only proposal Obote's government was
Re: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE?
I had done just that, but you keep onbringing upmy name in your ramblings. From: "Edward Mulindwa" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netTo: "The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda" ugandanet@kym.netCC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE?Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 17:21:25 -0500 Kasangwaawo So move on man what are you doing with a hopeless case? Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" ----- Original Message - From: jonah kasangwawo To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE? Mulindwa, why do you always go around in circles, just like a dog chasing it's own tail ? Talking about the officers in the picture, you said that Ssenyange and Kasangwawo would be yelling if, and I quote, "if these Police officers were Northerners !!! ". I consequently asked you how you knew that they were not 'Northerners'. Now that you have realised how absurd your assumptions were, you start talking about my age. What has my age got to do with this ? Yeah, you"will leave it at that for now". Man, you are a hopeless case. Kasangwawo From: "Edward Mulindwa" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netTo: "The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda" ugandanet@kym.netCC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Florence Namutebi [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE?Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:26:42 -0500 Kasangwawo I do not know how old you are but I have seen the results of your thinking fully in Rwanda, Somalia, Burundi and DRC. Some times I wonder if you are prepared for what you have strongly planted in Uganda. And I will leave it at that for now. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: jonah kasangwawo To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE? Well, I guess you don't know the officers' ethnic origin, do you ? Why did you raise it in the first place then ? Nationalist, my foot ! From: "Edward Mulindwa" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netTo: "The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda" ugandanet@kym.netCC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE?Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:18:44 -0500 Kasangwawo You are very right it might even be an Obote's government for all we know. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: jonah kasangwawo To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE? Mulindwa, you must have a special way of knowing these things. But tell me, how can you tell that the officers are not Northerners ? Kasangwawo From: "Edward Mulindwa" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netTo: "The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda" ugandanet@kym.netCC: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Florence Namutebi [EMAIL PROTECTED], ugandanet@kym.netSubject: Re: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE?Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 18:20:01 -0500 Peter You know thank God this is not Obote's government, can you imagine how much yelling Ssenyange and Kasangwawo would have lamented if this happened in obote's government, of if these Police officers were Northerners !!! Can you just imagine if this picture was taken during Obote two? That is what has complicated the danger in our nation, we personalize issues and get so weak to attack any misbehavior, for now these two gentlemen and many others like them can not come up and fight for the rights of these students. And one can wonder how many times this has happened in Uganda with out the camera accessing it. That is why we need to move from such a low tribal politics to a nationalism politics, for then and only then can you condemn any thing when you have a ground to stand on. Very shame on all of you for your tribal minds made you loose the ball. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: Peter-Rhaina Gwokto To: Uganda-net Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:24 AM
Re: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE?
Mulindwa, why do you always go around in circles, just like a dog chasing it's own tail ? Talking about the officers in the picture, you said that Ssenyange and Kasangwawo would be yelling if, and I quote, "if these Police officers were Northerners !!! ". I consequently asked you how you knew that they were not 'Northerners'. Now that you have realised how absurd your assumptions were, you start talking about my age. What has my age got to do with this ? Yeah, you"will leave it at that for now". Man, you are a hopeless case. Kasangwawo From: "Edward Mulindwa" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netTo: "The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda" ugandanet@kym.netCC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Florence Namutebi [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE?Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:26:42 -0500 Kasangwawo I do not know how old you are but I have seen the results of your thinking fully in Rwanda, Somalia, Burundi and DRC. Some times I wonder if you are prepared for what you have strongly planted in Uganda. And I will leave it at that for now. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: jonah kasangwawo To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE? Well, I guess you don't know the officers' ethnic origin, do you ? Why did you raise it in the first place then ? Nationalist, my foot ! From: "Edward Mulindwa" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netTo: "The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda" ugandanet@kym.netCC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE?Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:18:44 -0500 Kasangwawo You are very right it might even be an Obote's government for all we know. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: jonah kasangwawo To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE? Mulindwa, you must have a special way of knowing these things. But tell me, how can you tell that the officers are not Northerners ? Kasangwawo From: "Edward Mulindwa" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netTo: "The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda" ugandanet@kym.netCC: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Florence Namutebi [EMAIL PROTECTED], ugandanet@kym.netSubject: Re: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE?Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 18:20:01 -0500 Peter You know thank God this is not Obote's government, can you imagine how much yelling Ssenyange and Kasangwawo would have lamented if this happened in obote's government, of if these Police officers were Northerners !!! Can you just imagine if this picture was taken during Obote two? That is what has complicated the danger in our nation, we personalize issues and get so weak to attack any misbehavior, for now these two gentlemen and many others like them can not come up and fight for the rights of these students. And one can wonder how many times this has happened in Uganda with out the camera accessing it. That is why we need to move from such a low tribal politics to a nationalism politics, for then and only then can you condemn any thing when you have a ground to stand on. Very shame on all of you for your tribal minds made you loose the ball. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: Peter-Rhaina Gwokto To: Uganda-net Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:24 AM Subject: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE? In my opinion: yikesss...!! And these Neanderthals (aka. humans) have the audacity to call us, Animals...!. Look whateMu7's police is doing to a daughter you, yourself, never caned all her life. Abayizi b¢e Makerere 45 babasindise Luzira Abaserikale ba Poliisi nga bakuba abayizi b¢omu ttendekero ly¢abasomesa e Nkozi nabo abeediimye. ___ Remember: "Even a small dog can piss on a tall building" Jim Hightower ___Ugandanet mailing listUgandanet@kym.nethttp://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet% UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them i
Re: [Ugnet] UPDF flee war front, 500 arrested in 'Panda Gari' Operation
He has no point. He just enjoys mentioning my name. From:Simon Nume [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netTo:The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netSubject:Re: [Ugnet] UPDF flee war front,500 arrested in 'Panda Gari' OperationDate:Tue, 14 Nov 2006 02:21:45 -0800 (PST) Mulindwa I fail to understand your point. Obote brought Panda Gari and now its being done in Gulu. The point here is that a killing method once used in Kampala is being used in Gulu twenty years later. Whose fault is this ? Kansangwawo ?? Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kasangwawo Munange ojjukira omusajja oli Obote omu Northerner eyaleeta Panda Gali e Uganda? Kale kirungi twamuwona munange. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: Matek Opoko To: ugandanet@kym.net ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:48 PM Subject: [Ugnet] UPDF flee war front, 500 arrested in 'Panda Gari' Operation UPDF flee war front, 500 arrested in 'Panda Gari' Operation Aswa Times correspondent in Gulu UPDF soldiers caught in action fleeing from battle front wit LRA in Northern Uganda. ABOUT 500 soldiers, UPDF deserters and civilians were arrested in a night Panda Gari on Independence Day in Gulu town. The UPDF, police and Local Councils carried out the operation that started at around 3am and ended at 7:30am on Tuesday. Two SMG guns and several rounds of ammunitions were recovered in the early morning joint operation. Soldiers and idlers that included drunkards and newspaper vendors were arrested. The northern Regional Army Spokesman, Lt. Chris Magezi, yesterday confirmed that hundreds of UPDF soldiers, deserters and idlers were arrested on Monday in a joint mop up operation. The screening is still going on. So far, we have managed to get dozens of UPDF soldiers whom we have detained at our cells. We have handed the civilians to the police, he said.Magezi said the UPDF deserters would appear before the army court this week on charges of dissertation and Away without official leave (AWOL). Gulu District Police Commander, Mr Yasiin Ndimwibo, said only five civilians had be handed to the police by press time. The operation followed concerns by Gulu Municipal authorities that there was high crime rate in the town suburbs. It is not uncommon that hundreds of UPDF soldiers flee the battle front with LRA and take refugee in town and particularly in the slums in civilian dressing and in the night they commit lots of atrocities on the civilians, which the military swiftly blames on LRA rebels. It is this flight from the war front which created the Ghost Soldiers Scandal (GSS) in which UPDF officers made millions of Shillings paying ghost soldiers. A number of senior military officers whose personal loyalty to President Museveni was questionable have been court martial, while his sycophants have been forgiven. [ENDS] Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. ___Ugandanet mailing listUgandanet@kym.nethttp://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet% UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way.---___Ugandanet mailing listUgandanet@kym.nethttp://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet% UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way.--- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. ___Ugandanet mailing listUgandanet@kym.nethttp://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet% UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way.--- Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Download today it's FREE! ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
Re: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE?
Well, I guess you don't know the officers' ethnic origin, do you ? Why did you raise it in the first place then ? Nationalist, my foot ! From: "Edward Mulindwa" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netTo: "The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda" ugandanet@kym.netCC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE?Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:18:44 -0500 Kasangwawo You are very right it might even be an Obote's government for all we know. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" ----- Original Message - From: jonah kasangwawo To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE? Mulindwa, you must have a special way of knowing these things. But tell me, how can you tell that the officers are not Northerners ? Kasangwawo From: "Edward Mulindwa" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netTo: "The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda" ugandanet@kym.netCC: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Florence Namutebi [EMAIL PROTECTED], ugandanet@kym.netSubject: Re: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE?Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 18:20:01 -0500 Peter You know thank God this is not Obote's government, can you imagine how much yelling Ssenyange and Kasangwawo would have lamented if this happened in obote's government, of if these Police officers were Northerners !!! Can you just imagine if this picture was taken during Obote two? That is what has complicated the danger in our nation, we personalize issues and get so weak to attack any misbehavior, for now these two gentlemen and many others like them can not come up and fight for the rights of these students. And one can wonder how many times this has happened in Uganda with out the camera accessing it. That is why we need to move from such a low tribal politics to a nationalism politics, for then and only then can you condemn any thing when you have a ground to stand on. Very shame on all of you for your tribal minds made you loose the ball. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: Peter-Rhaina Gwokto To: Uganda-net Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:24 AM Subject: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE? In my opinion: yikesss...!! And these Neanderthals (aka. humans) have the audacity to call us, Animals...!. Look whateMu7's police is doing to a daughter you, yourself, never caned all her life. Abayizi b¢e Makerere 45 babasindise Luzira Abaserikale ba Poliisi nga bakuba abayizi b¢omu ttendekero ly¢abasomesa e Nkozi nabo abeediimye. ___ Remember: "Even a small dog can piss on a tall building" Jim Hightower ___Ugandanet mailing listUgandanet@kym.nethttp://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet% UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way.--- ___Ugandanet mailing listUgandanet@kym.nethttp://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet% UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way.--- FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar MSN Toolbar Get it now! ___Ugandanet mailing listUgandanet@kym.nethttp://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet% UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way.--- ___Ugandanet mailing listUgandanet@kym.nethttp://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet% UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way.--- Don't just search. Find. MSN Search Check out the new MSN Search! ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.
RE: [Ugnet] UGANDA DIRTY SECRET IN WAR UNVEILED , ('KONY'= UPDF)
Mulindwa,
I have never stopped you from posting about the war in northern Uganda. On the contrary, I have always encouraged you to stick to your pet subject, the North.
Kasangwawo
From: "Edward Mulindwa" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netTo: "The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda" ugandanet@kym.net,[EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: rwanda [EMAIL PROTECTED],David Musoke [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],Florence Namutebi [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Ugnet] UGANDA DIRTY SECRET IN WAR UNVEILED , ('KONY'= UPDF)Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 22:40:55 -0400
Matek/Nume
There are facts in our nation we just cannot ignore, just on record I was a member on New Vision discussion board few months ago and I posted the same facts that actually UPDF is killing our people and I questioned the presence of Konny in Northern Uganda. New Vision decided to boot me out of the forum and not to email me even the daily paper, for what I stated was a disrespect to the goodnational force of UPDF. Today CIA its self is claiming the same thing, and I wonder what Kezio the New Vision administrator has to say on a CIA report.And if you read carefully I forwarded the same posting to him.
I have taken a great time asking about this un ending war, at times gone even opposite to people who follow North issues like Matek for it just did not add up. Today we have pictures of Konny fighters with Rastas. Give me a dam break, did Museveni's fighters in Luwero have Rastas or Konny is just to smarter than how Museveni was in the bush? Some thing is just out right wrong in Northern Uganda and all Uganda government has to do is to look into our face and tell us the truth of who is killing our people. In time I am going to post a writing on this same war. Look there are those of us who have spent a whole life time on this war, when the Kasangwawo's did not even allow us to post that there is a war in Northern Uganda at all, we have lived all our life time fighting these human right abuses. When we were asked why we even care when we are Baganda. This
article was written by a non Ugandan , how long are the Kezio Musoke's of today going to hold Northerners at ransom, how many are going to die to make the Kezio's care?
North is suffering today and it is going to become a pain in twenty years if we do not open up and talk about it today based on facts. And I need to know what UPDF is doing that we are not told for starters.
Em
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
- Original Message -
From: Matek Opoko
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; ugandanet@kym.net
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Ugnet] UGANDA DIRTY SECRET IN WAR UNVEILED , ('KONY'= UPDF)
Culu Nume:
Yes indeed we have spent decades here on Ugandanet informing our fellow citizens, that those committing heinous crimes against the people of Northern and Eastern Uganda, are none other then the UPDF did people listen... hell no!
Now the fact are coming out!!..even the US Central Intelligence Agency now believes that the enermy is within the UPDF read Mulindwa article!!
MatekSimon Nume [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But recent revelations in Dar-es-Salaam show that the Ugandan leaders sudden shift in gear in the search for peace in the north would startle, even humble many of his critics, if indeed it is true he had received intelligence reports from the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) that indict his top aides for complicity in the war in the north. Sources within the Tanzania Defence Forces told The Sunday Standard recently how Museveni had for two decades been duped by his top military commanders, senior government officials and relatives into chasing a mirage in the form of the Lords Resistance Army (LRA) Rebel leader, Joseph Kony.
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Mulindwa and Matek
I have spent the last 10 years on this net trying to make this point.
Thank God somebody else is finally seeing the light.
If UPDF = KONY, how long before you get UPDF= KONY= M7.
Nume
Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
By Ernest Mpinganjira
While on a tour to northern Uganda whose residents, have endured brutal rebel insurgency over 20 years, President Yoweri Museveni complained angrily that the "peace talks were taking too long".
He even threatened to personally take over the negotiations from his aides. The loud lament and impatience came barely two months after the peace process got under way. In the words of a Ugandan journalist "M-7 wants the crisis in the north over as soon as yesterday".
Ugandan President Yoweri MuseveniSo, why the sudden change of tact and impatience when weeks before the talks began, Museveni had vowed to pursue the rebels right into the Democratic Republic of Congo? He had even sought United Nations backing to flush
RE: [Ugnet] Reacting to Mr. Peter Mulira's revisionist history aboutthe the 1966 Buganda Crises:
Matek, I don't know which of Mulira's articles you are refering to, but the fact is that one thing simply didn't lead to another. I suggest you read the details about the crisis at: http://federo.com/pages/The_1966_Crisis.htm instead of giving us meaningless snippets, mbu "The King's men demanded that Obote take his UPC government to Akokoro!" Kasangwawo From:Matek Opoko [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netTo:ugandanet@kym.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject:[Ugnet] Reacting to Mr. Peter Mulira's revisionist history aboutthe the 1966 Buganda Crises:Date:Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Citizens, There is an article in The New Vision News Paper written by one Mr. Peter Mulira which purportedly intends to explain the reasons as to why the the Buganda Crises of 1966 happen. Our friend Mulira claims that there are four facts which lead to the crises. What I find interesting and of intrigue ..is this notion that UPC' leader Dr.A.M Obote (RIP) would simply wake up one morning and decide to send Uganda Army troops to Kabaka's place to dislodge the King!. This to me is very simplistic of an explanations especially given the fact that Obote ascended to power as a result of cooperation and mutualPolitical understanding, if you like, between theKabaka'sParty( Kabaka Yeka) and the UPC Naturally , therefore one would argue the Kabaka and Obote were good friends who worked together to out maneuver the Democratic Party, right? The question then is: what happened in a very short time of a few months such that this two once very good friends , out of the blue, had a fall out? To attempt to answer this question in an honest manner, is to begin to understand one of the Uganda's Greatest Political history. On the other hand to REFUSE to address the question above and engaged in some revisionist history as our dear peter Mulira is attempting to do, is to refuse to understandUgandan Political Historyperiod. I believe that when the British colonialist granted Uganda Independence in 1962, they , in their own British wisdom , left a powder keg of an issue, inform of"THE LOST COUNTIES" for the next Government of Uganda to address..rather solve!! Indeed, If the British were not malicious, which I believe they were, they should have addressed the "Buyaga, Bugagazi lost county " issue first and fore most before even granting Uganda Independence. That way Obote would have started with a clean plate. Nonetheless, I believe it is the issue of the "lost counties" which lead to the deterioration of friendship between the Kabaka and the UPC government lead by Dr. Obote. One thing lead to another At the end, many of King'smen, now harboring bitter hatred for Obote and the UPC precisely because Obote , a shrewedpolitical thinker as he was, simply out maneuvered them politically when it came to the issue of the "lost Counties" The King's men demanded that Obote take his UPC government to Akokoro!The UPC government reacted accordingly.One thing lead to another. The King ended up in exile. Now in assigning blame for the 1966 crises, MUST we now blame the UPC and Obote forthe Crises.. as Mr. Peter Mulira wants us to do so in his piece which appeared in the New Vision News Paper? The answer is NO! In Retrospect, I believe we all need to MATO OPUT!!! Matek Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. ___Ugandanet mailing listUgandanet@kym.nethttp://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet% UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way.--- FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar MSN Toolbar Get it now! ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
Re: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE?
Mulindwa, you must have a special way of knowing these things. But tell me, how can you tell that the officers are not Northerners ? Kasangwawo From: "Edward Mulindwa" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netTo: "The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda" ugandanet@kym.netCC: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Florence Namutebi [EMAIL PROTECTED], ugandanet@kym.netSubject: Re: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE?Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 18:20:01 -0500 Peter You know thank God this is not Obote's government, can you imagine how much yelling Ssenyange and Kasangwawo would have lamented if this happened in obote's government, of if these Police officers were Northerners !!! Can you just imagine if this picture was taken during Obote two? That is what has complicated the danger in our nation, we personalize issues and get so weak to attack any misbehavior, for now these two gentlemen and many others like them can not come up and fight for the rights of these students. And one can wonder how many times this has happened in Uganda with out the camera accessing it. That is why we need to move from such a low tribal politics to a nationalism politics, for then and only then can you condemn any thing when you have a ground to stand on. Very shame on all of you for your tribal minds made you loose the ball. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: Peter-Rhaina Gwokto To: Uganda-net Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:24 AM Subject: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE? In my opinion: yikesss...!! And these Neanderthals (aka. humans) have the audacity to call us, Animals...!. Look whateMu7's police is doing to a daughter you, yourself, never caned all her life. Abayizi b¢e Makerere 45 babasindise Luzira Abaserikale ba Poliisi nga bakuba abayizi b¢omu ttendekero ly¢abasomesa e Nkozi nabo abeediimye. ___ Remember: "Even a small dog can piss on a tall building" Jim Hightower ___Ugandanet mailing listUgandanet@kym.nethttp://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet% UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way.--- ___Ugandanet mailing listUgandanet@kym.nethttp://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet% UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way.--- FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar MSN Toolbar Get it now! ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
Re: [Ugandacom] Re: [Ugnet] Budo should have taught me Luganda
Matek, there, you have the answer. Need I say more ? Kasangwawo From: "Edward Mulindwa" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED], ugandanet@kym.netSubject: Re: [Ugandacom] Re: [Ugnet] Budo should have taught me LugandaDate: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:56:41 -0400 Matek And you really expect this discussion to pass "bawalana abaganda" and reach that critical thinking? If wehad that ability by now we would have been able to make Ssabasajja financially independent from the movement. You are way off base to think that way man. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: Matek Opoko To: ugandanet@kym.net ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 6:44 PM Subject: [Ugandacom] Re: [Ugnet] Budo should have taught me Luganda who is this "some people"? some of us are against this notion that very issue should revolve around Buganda...Buganda this buganda.. that..buganda yoo..no buganda NO Uganda...it is a selfish kind of mentallity. The Buganda, like many Ugandans MUST engage in a kind of Politics which is nationalistic in outlook! not this Mwana yaa Kintu thing!!! Now Museveni is busy selling off Buganda land to his Cronies...as a Ugandan nationalist I am really really pissed, that Museveni should do such a thing..am I a Muganda that I must now get pissed off? the answer is NO. I know for sure that selling off Buganda land , 10, 20 years from now is going to disenffranchise many many poor Buganda Uganda...Moreover once Museveni's Cronies grab the land, It is kind of difficult get the land back and re-redistribute to the peasants..as the South Africans will tell you ..or Namibians..or the zimbabweans!!! MKjonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Every community has its good and evil." I agree with you completely. But how come some people here only have bad to say about Baganda/Buganda ? Only bad, bad, bad..! Never anything good. Just an observation ? Selective observation, I would say. Kasangwawo From:Bwambuga [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netTo:The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netSubject:Re: [Ugnet] Budo should have taught me LugandaDate:Sat, 26 Aug 2006 20:56:49 -0700 (PDT) Why do some of these Baganda think that each time nothing positive is mentioned where Buganda is concerned they thiank Buganda is always being bashed or called names for that matter? I mean is Buganda considered so holy that nothing is negative about them. Come on fellas. Buganda is not any different than any other Ugandan communities. Every community has its good and evil. Every people have both sides to this coin. They may not necessarily be thr same people all the time. The Baganda should just get a life and live. Please. Just and observation. God Bless, Bwambuga. Simon Nume [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NO, But it is a chance to show to Baganda bash as usual. NumeMatek Opoko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: who cares is that even a national issue? MKmusamize [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Budo should have taught me Luganda News about the centenary celebrations at King?s College Budo brought back all the fond memories of Budo the place and Budo the experience. Heartfelt thanks to all the organisers and participants. I wish I were there. Budo has provided immeasurable opportunities to many young women and men and by all indications will continue to do so. My only regret is that after six years at Budo in the 1960s, I could hardly read, write or speak Luganda but acquired just enough survival Luganda expressions to establish a credit line with ?Congo? for roasted groundnuts, amuse the night watchmen and occasionally get enyongeza from the market women on Wednesday afternoons and Saturdays. I was Luganda illiterate because of the school rule that required English to be spoken at all times except Sunday afternoons. By hindsight, that was a bad rule. Just as she provided opportunities for spiritual enrichment and physical development, Budo should have encouraged cultural development by teaching conversational Luganda to non-native speakers. I suggest that Budo makes it a requirement for incoming students (S1 and S5) to demonstrate fluency in spoken Luganda or take a mandatory one-year course in conversational Luganda.J. C. Okuk Nyankori, Class of 1964 (South Africa House),South Carolina, US http://www.ugandaobserver.com/new/oped/letters/index.php http://cherokee.agecon.clemson.edu/jconyan.htm --- -- Scheme to destory Buganda: divide up the districts/take away as much as possible from the districts that make up Buganda. ---
RE: [Ugnet] Re: Who decides what a national issueis?
Simon,
Amen !
Kasangwawo
From:Simon Nume [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netTo:musaja alumbwa [EMAIL PROTECTED],ugandanet ugandanet@kym.netSubject:[Ugnet] Re: Who decides what a "national issue"is?Date:Thu, 31 Aug 2006 00:14:54 -0700 (PDT)
Matek
If it is not important to talk about Luganda, WHY are YOU talking about Buganda Land?
The language is Luganda, the people are Baganda, and the land is Buganda.
If one is important for you to discuss, then so must the other two be.
Nume;musaja alumbwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ugandanet has numerous posts that have nothing to with Uganda (e.g. there are many about Rwanda etc) yet these "nationalists" only complain when something positive is posted about Buganda/Baganda/Luganda -which is all part of Uganda!
Matek Opoko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The world and for that matter Uganda does not revolve arround Buganda..You got issue about learning luganda in Budo post it on Bugandanet!!!..not over here in Ugandanet!!
MKjonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ItIS a national issue if the policy is to forbid the use of indigenous languages ('vernacular') in favour of English in all Ugandan schools. Doesn't your party have an education policy ?Kasangwawo
From:Matek Opoko [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netTo:ugandanet@kym.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject:Re: [Ugnet] Budo should have taught me LugandaDate:Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:33:27 -0700 (PDT)
who cares is that even a national issue?
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Re: [Ugnet] KASANGWAAWO I TOLD YOU !!!!!
DMN, my apologies. It was not my intention to cause people headaches. Its just that I caught our friend talking about me behind my back. I guess I'll go back to my New Year's resolutionand ignore him. Kasangwawo From: "David Nyende" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netTo: "The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda" ugandanet@kym.netSubject: Re: [Ugnet] KASANGWAAWO I TOLD YOU !Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:27:58 +0300 Bwana Kasangwawo, You are making us have headaches which we have for long not had because we blocked Mulindwa's mail from our addresses a long time ago. Now you are making us read rubbish we have since avoided. Why don't you answer him directly without getting us suffer with his nonsense ? DMN Original Message - From: jonah kasangwawo To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:10 PM Subject: RE: [Ugnet] KASANGWAAWO I TOLD YOU ! The usual unfocussed, confused rhetoric. So, you'll move the 'cultural entity' (whatever that means) to Bamunanika - what then will you do with the Lubiri ? Perhaps the same thing as the committee is proposing ? What then is the hullabaloo about ? What is actually being done in the Lubiri now that is of use to the development of the Kingdom ? Since you are coming from a point of ignorance, let me educate you on some issues. Firstly, the palace is where the Kabaka decides he will live. Over the centuries, the Kabakas have moved their palaces to different venues in Buganda. The current Kabaka prefers to have his palace at Banda but he could easily decide to move his palace to Nkozi in Masaka. Fortunately, this is not dependent on the orders of a so-called Mulindwa. Secondly, the fact that the Lubiri isnear Kampala is nothing out of the ordinary. For example, Buckingham Palace is right in the middle of London but this has had no adverse effect, on the contrary, it attracts tourists from all over the world who spend their money there. Your small-minded idea that it is easier for tourists to visit the palace in far-away Bamunanika than at Lubiri, defies all logic. Thirdly, to assume that the geographical distance of an institution from the capital is the deciding factor of whether this institution will be involved in politics or not, is nonsensical, to say the least. Lastly, to the facts. The Bulange is not in the Lubiri but about a mile away. That the Bulange is being rented is your concoction.What ignorant people like you don't know, is thatin the times before your fallen hero ordered the assault on the Lubiri, parts of it were like a town in itself, with a large number of people involved in diverse commercial activities. So this proposal is not out of the ordinary either. Finally, I'm urging you to at last take my advice and stick to your northern 'thing' instead of talking about issues you have no clue about. Only then will you maybe stop embarassing yourself in public. Kasangwawo From: "Edward Mulindwa" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED], ugandanet@kym.net,"Florence Namutebi" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Ugnet] KASANGWAAWO I TOLD YOU !Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 21:34:27 -0400 Netters At a point, one has to remind some of these good friends that we have here, a long information journey we have traveled, and it is important for me to remind Kasangwaawo what I posted here that he called a stupid idea. I stated that Mengo has to realize that this is 2006 and not 13000, Mengo has to realize too that being a cultural entity Mengo can not fit in Kampala, I continued as well that what Mengo needs to do is to move our cultural entity out side Kampala and it becomes a true cultural entity. I suggested a redevelopment of Bamunanika. Now that we have established that the current king we have is in bed with The Movement I suggested why not go to Bamunanika and expand that land all Buganda wants and build a 2006 palace that we as Baganda can have for our culture? There are two gains here, Bamunanika is not very far from Kampala so any tourist can drive to see the palace, it is in Buganda and accessible from all sides. But most important it would take Mengo out of Uganda Political frying pan, for bottom line a cultural entity can not be a political entity, but this would as well allow Mengo to put all buildings they have in Kampala to a good productive rental Market. Kasangwawo called me an enemy of Buganda. Well here we are Kasangwawo, Mengo has started to work on renting the properties, they have started with Bulange its self. The idiots have decided to rent the facility with out building a new one. The agenda here is to change part of the Lubiri to a hotel, a Lodge, a Casino you name it, when The Twekobe is in the middle. Thetwarts in this kingdom have failed to understand that the Casino is going to squeeze the Twekobe its self. Where are the Baganda
Re: [Ugnet] Budo should have taught me Luganda
"Every community has its good and evil." I agree with you completely. But how come some people here only have bad to say about Baganda/Buganda ? Only bad, bad, bad..! Never anything good. Just an observation ? Selective observation, I would say. Kasangwawo From:Bwambuga [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netTo:The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netSubject:Re: [Ugnet] Budo should have taught me LugandaDate:Sat, 26 Aug 2006 20:56:49 -0700 (PDT) Why do some of these Baganda think that each time nothing positive is mentioned where Buganda is concerned they thiank Buganda is always being bashed or called names for that matter? I mean is Buganda considered so holy that nothing is negative about them. Come on fellas. Buganda is not any different than any other Ugandan communities. Every community has its good and evil. Every people have both sides to this coin. They may not necessarily be thr same people all the time. The Baganda should just get a life and live. Please. Just and observation. God Bless, Bwambuga. Simon Nume [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NO, But it is a chance to show to Baganda bash as usual. NumeMatek Opoko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: who cares is that even a national issue? MKmusamize [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Budo should have taught me Luganda News about the centenary celebrations at King?s College Budo brought back all the fond memories of Budo the place and Budo the experience. Heartfelt thanks to all the organisers and participants. I wish I were there. Budo has provided immeasurable opportunities to many young women and men and by all indications will continue to do so. My only regret is that after six years at Budo in the 1960s, I could hardly read, write or speak Luganda but acquired just enough survival Luganda expressions to establish a credit line with ?Congo? for roasted groundnuts, amuse the night watchmen and occasionally get enyongeza from the market women on Wednesday afternoons and Saturdays. I was Luganda illiterate because of the school rule that required English to be spoken at all times except Sunday afternoons. By hindsight, that was a bad rule. Just as she provided opportunities for spiritual enrichment and physical development, Budo should have encouraged cultural development by teaching conversational Luganda to non-native speakers. I suggest that Budo makes it a requirement for incoming students (S1 and S5) to demonstrate fluency in spoken Luganda or take a mandatory one-year course in conversational Luganda.J. C. Okuk Nyankori, Class of 1964 (South Africa House),South Carolina, US http://www.ugandaobserver.com/new/oped/letters/index.php http://cherokee.agecon.clemson.edu/jconyan.htm --- -- Scheme to destory Buganda: divide up the districts/take away as much as possible from the districts that make up Buganda. --- Consult people on Kampala extension I have heard the news about the extension of Kampala city to cover parts of Wakiso and Mukono districts. Districts, although they are subject to some degree of supervision by the central government, are autonomous bodies. The district councils and the inhabitants of these districts must be consulted before altering the boundaries of their districts. They may object to incorporating their properties in Kampala city. Residents of trading centres such as Kasangati, Nansana, Kireka, Bweyogerere and Mukono for example see no benefit in being incorporated within Kampala city, except being burdened with property taxes. Extension of Kampala city boundaries must be by consent of the affected districts; it should not be imposed.P.S Mabuliro,Entebbe. --- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. ___Ugandanet mailing listUgandanet@kym.nethttp://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet% UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way.--- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1?/min.___Ugandanet mailing listUgandanet@kym.nethttp://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet% UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way.--- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.___Ugandanet mailing
Re: [Ugnet] Budo should have taught me Luganda
Matek,
did you actually read what I wrote ? Where did I talk about Buganda ? Re-read what I said and you'll see that I was talking at a national level. But even if I had talked about Buganda, since when do netters only talk about national issues ?
I still fail to see why you were so enraged by the man's article (by the way, he is not even a Muganda). Maybe an analogy nearer to home might be more understandable to you. Let's say that students in a school in Gulu are not allowed to speak Luo but may only communicate in English. Years later, an old boy who originates from Kigezi reminisces about his time at the Gulu school and complains about having missed a chance to learn Luo due to the language restrictions. What's so wrong with that ? Kasangwawo
From:Matek Opoko [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netTo:ugandanet@kym.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject:Re: [Ugnet] Budo should have taught me LugandaDate:Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:57:02 -0700 (PDT)
The world and for that matter Uganda does not revolve arround Buganda..You got issue about learning luganda in Budo post it on Bugandanet!!!..not over here in Ugandanet!!
MKjonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ItIS a national issue if the policy is to forbid the use of indigenous languages ('vernacular') in favour of English in all Ugandan schools. Doesn't your party have an education policy ?Kasangwawo
From:Matek Opoko [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netTo:ugandanet@kym.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject:Re: [Ugnet] Budo should have taught me LugandaDate:Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:33:27 -0700 (PDT)
who cares is that even a national issue?
MKmusamize [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Budo should have taught me Luganda
News about the centenary celebrations at Kings College Budo brought back all the fond memories of Budo the place and Budo the experience. Heartfelt thanks to all the organisers and participants. I wish I were there.
Budo has provided immeasurable opportunities to many young women and men and by all indications will continue to do so. My only regret is that after six years at Budo in the 1960s, I could hardly read, write or speak Luganda but acquired just enough survival Luganda expressions to establish a credit line with Congo for roasted groundnuts, amuse the night watchmen and occasionally get enyongeza from the market women on Wednesday afternoons and Saturdays.
I was Luganda illiterate because of the school rule that required English to be spoken at all times except Sunday afternoons. By hindsight, that was a bad rule. Just as she provided opportunities for spiritual enrichment and physical development, Budo should have encouraged cultural development by teaching conversational Luganda to non-native speakers.
I suggest that Budo makes it a requirement for incoming students (S1 and S5) to demonstrate fluency in spoken Luganda or take a mandatory one-year course in conversational Luganda.J. C. Okuk Nyankori, Class of 1964 (South Africa House),South Carolina, US
http://www.ugandaobserver.com/new/oped/letters/index.php
http://cherokee.agecon.clemson.edu/jconyan.htm
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Consult people on Kampala extension
I have heard the news about the extension of Kampala city to cover parts of Wakiso and Mukono districts. Districts, although they are subject to some degree of supervision by the central government, are autonomous bodies.
The district councils and the inhabitants of these districts must be consulted before altering the boundaries of their districts. They may object to incorporating their properties in Kampala city.
Residents of trading centres such as Kasangati, Nansana, Kireka, Bweyogerere and Mukono for example see no benefit in being incorporated within Kampala city, except being burdened with property taxes.
Extension of Kampala city boundaries must be by consent of the affected districts; it should not be imposed.P.S Mabuliro,Entebbe.
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RE: [Ugnet] KASANGWAAWO I TOLD YOU !!!!!
The usual unfocussed, confused rhetoric. So, you'll move the 'cultural entity' (whatever that means) to Bamunanika - what then will you do with the Lubiri ? Perhaps the same thing as the committee is proposing ? What then is the hullabaloo about ? What is actually being done in the Lubiri now that is of use to the development of the Kingdom ? Since you are coming from a point of ignorance, let me educate you on some issues. Firstly, the palace is where the Kabaka decides he will live. Over the centuries, the Kabakas have moved their palaces to different venues in Buganda. The current Kabaka prefers to have his palace at Banda but he could easily decide to move his palace to Nkozi in Masaka. Fortunately, this is not dependent on the orders of a so-called Mulindwa. Secondly, the fact that the Lubiri isnear Kampala is nothing out of the ordinary. For example, Buckingham Palace is right in the middle of London but this has had no adverse effect, on the contrary, it attracts tourists from all over the world who spend their money there. Your small-minded idea that it is easier for tourists to visit the palace in far-away Bamunanika than at Lubiri, defies all logic. Thirdly, to assume that the geographical distance of an institution from the capital is the deciding factor of whether this institution will be involved in politics or not, is nonsensical, to say the least. Lastly, to the facts. The Bulange is not in the Lubiri but about a mile away. That the Bulange is being rented is your concoction.What ignorant people like you don't know, is thatin the times before your fallen hero ordered the assault on the Lubiri, parts of it were like a town in itself, with a large number of people involved in diverse commercial activities. So this proposal is not out of the ordinary either. Finally, I'm urging you to at last take my advice and stick to your northern 'thing' instead of talking about issues you have no clue about. Only then will you maybe stop embarassing yourself in public. Kasangwawo From: "Edward Mulindwa" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED], ugandanet@kym.net,"Florence Namutebi" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Ugnet] KASANGWAAWO I TOLD YOU !Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 21:34:27 -0400 Netters At a point, one has to remind some of these good friends that we have here, a long information journey we have traveled, and it is important for me to remind Kasangwaawo what I posted here that he called a stupid idea. I stated that Mengo has to realize that this is 2006 and not 13000, Mengo has to realize too that being a cultural entity Mengo can not fit in Kampala, I continued as well that what Mengo needs to do is to move our cultural entity out side Kampala and it becomes a true cultural entity. I suggested a redevelopment of Bamunanika. Now that we have established that the current king we have is in bed with The Movement I suggested why not go to Bamunanika and expand that land all Buganda wants and build a 2006 palace that we as Baganda can have for our culture? There are two gains here, Bamunanika is not very far from Kampala so any tourist can drive to see the palace, it is in Buganda and accessible from all sides. But most important it would take Mengo out of Uganda Political frying pan, for bottom line a cultural entity can not be a political entity, but this would as well allow Mengo to put all buildings they have in Kampala to a good productive rental Market. Kasangwawo called me an enemy of Buganda. Well here we are Kasangwawo, Mengo has started to work on renting the properties, they have started with Bulange its self. The idiots have decided to rent the facility with out building a new one. The agenda here is to change part of the Lubiri to a hotel, a Lodge, a Casino you name it, when The Twekobe is in the middle. Thetwarts in this kingdom have failed to understand that the Casino is going to squeeze the Twekobe its self. Where are the Baganda today to protest this King? It is a very sad day to those of us who loved this Kingdom for our cultural purposes. We live in very strange days indeed !! (Ffe kasita twebaka bull craps) Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" ___Ugandanet mailing listUgandanet@kym.nethttp://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet% UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way.--- Don't just search. Find. MSN Search Check out the new MSN Search! ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM
Re: [Ugnet] Budo should have taught me Luganda
ItIS a national issue if the policy is to forbid the use of indigenous languages ('vernacular') in favour of English in all Ugandan schools. Doesn't your party have an education policy ?Kasangwawo
From:Matek Opoko [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netTo:ugandanet@kym.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject:Re: [Ugnet] Budo should have taught me LugandaDate:Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:33:27 -0700 (PDT)
who cares is that even a national issue?
MKmusamize [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Budo should have taught me Luganda
News about the centenary celebrations at Kings College Budo brought back all the fond memories of Budo the place and Budo the experience. Heartfelt thanks to all the organisers and participants. I wish I were there.
Budo has provided immeasurable opportunities to many young women and men and by all indications will continue to do so. My only regret is that after six years at Budo in the 1960s, I could hardly read, write or speak Luganda but acquired just enough survival Luganda expressions to establish a credit line with Congo for roasted groundnuts, amuse the night watchmen and occasionally get enyongeza from the market women on Wednesday afternoons and Saturdays.
I was Luganda illiterate because of the school rule that required English to be spoken at all times except Sunday afternoons. By hindsight, that was a bad rule. Just as she provided opportunities for spiritual enrichment and physical development, Budo should have encouraged cultural development by teaching conversational Luganda to non-native speakers.
I suggest that Budo makes it a requirement for incoming students (S1 and S5) to demonstrate fluency in spoken Luganda or take a mandatory one-year course in conversational Luganda.J. C. Okuk Nyankori, Class of 1964 (South Africa House),South Carolina, US
http://www.ugandaobserver.com/new/oped/letters/index.php
http://cherokee.agecon.clemson.edu/jconyan.htm
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Consult people on Kampala extension
I have heard the news about the extension of Kampala city to cover parts of Wakiso and Mukono districts. Districts, although they are subject to some degree of supervision by the central government, are autonomous bodies.
The district councils and the inhabitants of these districts must be consulted before altering the boundaries of their districts. They may object to incorporating their properties in Kampala city.
Residents of trading centres such as Kasangati, Nansana, Kireka, Bweyogerere and Mukono for example see no benefit in being incorporated within Kampala city, except being burdened with property taxes.
Extension of Kampala city boundaries must be by consent of the affected districts; it should not be imposed.P.S Mabuliro,Entebbe.
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Re: [Ugnet] A GLIMP ON THE UGANDA OF 2015
Mulindwa, I shall not be distracted by your diversionary tactics. I am therefore not going to take you on a lecture about the migration of Ugandans, although I easily could. My discontent with you is why you singled out Baganda. That's all. It looks like you are the one who can't answer a straight question. Kasangwawo From: "Edward Mulindwa" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netTo: "The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda" ugandanet@kym.netSubject: Re: [Ugnet] A GLIMP ON THE UGANDA OF 2015Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:53:50 -0400 Kasangwawo One day you will answer a straight question and you of all people know I will be right here. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" ----- Original Message - From: jonah kasangwawo To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] A GLIMP ON THE UGANDA OF 2015 Oh, so it is exit of Ugandan youths now ? Why then did youspecifically pick out Baganda in your initial posting ? From: "Edward Mulindwa" Reply-To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda To: "The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda" CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] A GLIMP ON THE UGANDA OF 2015 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:56:08 -0400 Kasangwawo How is the massive exit of Ugandans youths out of Uganda going to affect Uganda as a nation in the long run? Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: "jonah kasangwawo" To: Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 7:52 AM Subject: RE: [Ugnet] A GLIMP ON THE UGANDA OF 2015 Now, where did this one come from ? Aren't you the one who was posing as someone else a while ago ? Be that as it may: 1. My name is not John 2. You are a Ugandan by nationality - so what ? 3. My writings make you sick - as if I care ! You don't understand them anyway. 4. So I'm ignorant and a real fool ? Well, it takes one to know one. If you haven't noticed that Mulindwa's postings always contain, as a rule, negative comments about Buganda, Baganda or their Kabaka, then you are either blind or you simply don't understand English (even if it's as poor as Mulindwa's) or you are just ignorant and a real fool. If you want to join him in this nonsense then bring it on ! Kasangwawo From: Joicye nansikombi Reply-To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Subject: RE: [Ugnet] A GLIMP ON THE UGANDA OF 2015 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Dear Mr. John Kasangwawo: I am a Ugandan by Nationality.But What I have read and read from your writings Make me Sick and Feel that you are among people who have really made Uganda a damping place.Secondly you are among the most ignorant that even if you go toschool for 1000 years you will remain a real Fool. Sorry for the language but that is the real language you can understand. JN. jonah kasangwawo wrote: I started reading this and was wondering, when is..., when is he... And there, in the 2nd paragraph, he did it ! I mean the obligatory adverse mention of Baganda. Nothing ever changes ! From: "Edward Mulindwa" Reply-To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda To: CC: Florence Namutebi , ugandanet@kym.net Subject: [Ugnet] A GLIMP ON THE UGANDA OF 2015 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:42:53 -0400 Netters For a very long time I have stated that we do not need to worry about the damage this government has done in our country but the long term effect that can not be changed in twenty years. To build a nation it takes very many years and building Uganda has been put on hold for twenty years. If Iddi Amin planted a business mind to all Ugandans than going to school, and he has been out of power for twenty seven years, how long will this societal destruction take to reverse the path of this country? Again we ask. As we speak there is a tendency of every kid in a Uganda school aiming at getting out of Uganda, below I am re posting one of the numerous emails I get from home. Remember these are people who do not even know me. When you were going to school was your purpose to get out? Although many are praising this government but I find it very difficult to find a reason why Ugandans of that age prefer to get out and this kid says and I quote "Because my goal is to have employment out side my country it is my greatest ambition.." End quote. Of course his ambition is to get out for we have kids who are studying but with no jobs being created. Why wouldn't you look for greener pastures? And I get at least f
Re: [Ugnet] A GLIMP ON THE UGANDA OF 2015
Oh, so it is exit of Ugandan youths now ? Why then did youspecifically pick out Baganda in your initial posting ? From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda <UGANDANET@KYM.NET> To: "The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda" <UGANDANET@KYM.NET> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] A GLIMP ON THE UGANDA OF 2015 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:56:08 -0400 Kasangwawo How is the massive exit of Ugandans youths out of Uganda going to affect Uganda as a nation in the long run? Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: "jonah kasangwawo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <UGANDANET@KYM.NET> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 7:52 AM Subject: RE: [Ugnet] A GLIMP ON THE UGANDA OF 2015 Now, where did this one come from ? Aren't you the one who was posing as someone else a while ago ? Be that as it may: 1. My name is not John 2. You are a Ugandan by nationality - so what ? 3. My writings make you sick - as if I care ! You don't understand them anyway. 4. So I'm ignorant and a real fool ? Well, it takes one to know one. If you haven't noticed that Mulindwa's postings always contain, as a rule, negative comments about Buganda, Baganda or their Kabaka, then you are either blind or you simply don't understand English (even if it's as poor as Mulindwa's) or you are just ignorant and a real fool. If you want to join him in this nonsense then bring it on ! Kasangwawo From: Joicye nansikombi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda <UGANDANET@KYM.NET> To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda <UGANDANET@KYM.NET> Subject: RE: [Ugnet] A GLIMP ON THE UGANDA OF 2015 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Dear Mr. John Kasangwawo: I am a Ugandan by Nationality.But What I have read and read from your writings Make me Sick and Feel that you are among people who have really made Uganda a damping place.Secondly you are among the most ignorant that even if you go toschool for 1000 years you will remain a real Fool. Sorry for the language but that is the real language you can understand. JN. jonah kasangwawo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I started reading this and was wondering, when is..., when is he... And there, in the 2nd paragraph, he did it ! I mean the obligatory adverse mention of Baganda. Nothing ever changes ! From: "Edward Mulindwa" Reply-To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda To: CC: Florence Namutebi , ugandanet@kym.net Subject: [Ugnet] A GLIMP ON THE UGANDA OF 2015 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:42:53 -0400 Netters For a very long time I have stated that we do not need to worry about the damage this government has done in our country but the long term effect that can not be changed in twenty years. To build a nation it takes very many years and building Uganda has been put on hold for twenty years. If Iddi Amin planted a business mind to all Ugandans than going to school, and he has been out of power for twenty seven years, how long will this societal destruction take to reverse the path of this country? Again we ask. As we speak there is a tendency of every kid in a Uganda school aiming at getting out of Uganda, below I am re posting one of the numerous emails I get from home. Remember these are people who do not even know me. When you were going to school was your purpose to get out? Although many are praising this government but I find it very difficult to find a reason why Ugandans of that age prefer to get out and this kid says and I quote "Because my goal is to have employment out side my country it is my greatest ambition.." End quote. Of course his ambition is to get out for we have kids who are studying but with no jobs being created. Why wouldn't you look for greener pastures? And I get at least five of these a week. So the question becomes how many are actually writing and how many are actually leaving? But remember too that as boys at this age are writing these letters, girls are getting married by foreigners and getting out as well. So the girls are using their bodies to get out of the mess. Walk in any city out here and be amazed of the numbers of Uganda girls. We have never been bombarded by Uganda girls as we are today, and the numbers continue to grow day by day. And what is so interesting is that the people like Baganda who claim to have a best government in Uganda, are the ones running the most, not Northerners who are in the fake war. Then you wonder, if The Movement has given the most powerful positions to Baganda, all these names are in Uganda Government as we speak, Professor Nsibambi Apollo, Professor Bukenya Baribasseka
RE: [Ugnet] A GLIMP ON THE UGANDA OF 2015
Now, where did this one come from ? Aren't you the one who was posing as someone else a while ago ? Be that as it may: 1. My name is not John 2. You are a Ugandan by nationality - so what ? 3. My writings make you sick - as if I care ! You don't understand them anyway. 4. So I'm ignorant and a real fool ? Well, it takes one to know one. If you haven't noticed that Mulindwa's postings always contain, as a rule, negative comments about Buganda, Baganda or their Kabaka, then you are either blind or you simply don't understand English (even if it's as poor as Mulindwa's) or you are just ignorant and a real fool. If you want to join him in this nonsense then bring it on ! Kasangwawo From: Joicye nansikombi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.net To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.net Subject: RE: [Ugnet] A GLIMP ON THE UGANDA OF 2015 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Dear Mr. John Kasangwawo: I am a Ugandan by Nationality. But What I have read and read from your writings Make me Sick and Feel that you are among people who have really made Uganda a damping place. Secondly you are among the most ignorant that even if you go to school for 1000 years you will remain a real Fool. Sorry for the language but that is the real language you can understand. JN. jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I started reading this and was wondering, when is..., when is he... And there, in the 2nd paragraph, he did it ! I mean the obligatory adverse mention of Baganda. Nothing ever changes ! From: Edward Mulindwa Reply-To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda To: CC: Florence Namutebi , ugandanet@kym.net Subject: [Ugnet] A GLIMP ON THE UGANDA OF 2015 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:42:53 -0400 Netters For a very long time I have stated that we do not need to worry about the damage this government has done in our country but the long term effect that can not be changed in twenty years. To build a nation it takes very many years and building Uganda has been put on hold for twenty years. If Iddi Amin planted a business mind to all Ugandans than going to school, and he has been out of power for twenty seven years, how long will this societal destruction take to reverse the path of this country? Again we ask. As we speak there is a tendency of every kid in a Uganda school aiming at getting out of Uganda, below I am re posting one of the numerous emails I get from home. Remember these are people who do not even know me. When you were going to school was your purpose to get out? Although many are praising this government but I find it very difficult to find a reason why Ugandans of that age prefer to get out and this kid says and I quote Because my goal is to have employment out side my country it is my greatest ambition.. End quote. Of course his ambition is to get out for we have kids who are studying but with no jobs being created. Why wouldn't you look for greener pastures? And I get at least five of these a week. So the question becomes how many are actually writing and how many are actually leaving? But remember too that as boys at this age are writing these letters, girls are getting married by foreigners and getting out as well. So the girls are using their bodies to get out of the mess. Walk in any city out here and be amazed of the numbers of Uganda girls. We have never been bombarded by Uganda girls as we are today, and the numbers continue to grow day by day. And what is so interesting is that the people like Baganda who claim to have a best government in Uganda, are the ones running the most, not Northerners who are in the fake war. Then you wonder, if The Movement has given the most powerful positions to Baganda, all these names are in Uganda Government as we speak, Professor Nsibambi Apollo, Professor Bukenya Baribasseka, Professor Kiwanuka Ssemakula, Dr. Kibirige Ssebunya, Dr. Kiddu Makubuya, Hon. Ssekandi Edward, The Kingdom too reinstated, and the list continues on and on. Why are Baganda running out of this country this much? The Uganda of 2015 scares the wits out of me and should you. Em Toronto No one can find a safe way out for himself if society is sweeping towards destruction. Therefore everyone, in his own interests, must thrust himself vigorously into the intellectual battle. None can stand aside with unconcern; the interests of everyone hang on the result. -- Ludwig von Mises The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - PS Dear Mr. Mulindwa Am a Ugandan citizen aged 23 years a pharmacy techncian by proffessional and an Enrolled comprehensive Nurse student hoping to graduate in November 2007 .I read your articles in Monitor news
RE: [Ugnet] A GLIMP ON THE UGANDA OF 2015
I started reading this and was wondering, when is..., when is he... And there, in the 2nd paragraph, he did it ! I mean the obligatory adverse mention of Baganda. Nothing ever changes ! From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.net To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Florence Namutebi [EMAIL PROTECTED], ugandanet@kym.net Subject: [Ugnet] A GLIMP ON THE UGANDA OF 2015 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:42:53 -0400 Netters For a very long time I have stated that we do not need to worry about the damage this government has done in our country but the long term effect that can not be changed in twenty years. To build a nation it takes very many years and building Uganda has been put on hold for twenty years. If Iddi Amin planted a business mind to all Ugandans than going to school, and he has been out of power for twenty seven years, how long will this societal destruction take to reverse the path of this country? Again we ask. As we speak there is a tendency of every kid in a Uganda school aiming at getting out of Uganda, below I am re posting one of the numerous emails I get from home. Remember these are people who do not even know me. When you were going to school was your purpose to get out? Although many are praising this government but I find it very difficult to find a reason why Ugandans of that age prefer to get out and this kid says and I quote Because my goal is to have employment out side my country it is my greatest ambition.. End quote. Of course his ambition is to get out for we have kids who are studying but with no jobs being created. Why wouldn't you look for greener pastures? And I get at least five of these a week. So the question becomes how many are actually writing and how many are actually leaving? But remember too that as boys at this age are writing these letters, girls are getting married by foreigners and getting out as well. So the girls are using their bodies to get out of the mess. Walk in any city out here and be amazed of the numbers of Uganda girls. We have never been bombarded by Uganda girls as we are today, and the numbers continue to grow day by day. And what is so interesting is that the people like Baganda who claim to have a best government in Uganda, are the ones running the most, not Northerners who are in the fake war. Then you wonder, if The Movement has given the most powerful positions to Baganda, all these names are in Uganda Government as we speak, Professor Nsibambi Apollo, Professor Bukenya Baribasseka, Professor Kiwanuka Ssemakula, Dr. Kibirige Ssebunya, Dr. Kiddu Makubuya, Hon. Ssekandi Edward, The Kingdom too reinstated, and the list continues on and on. Why are Baganda running out of this country this much? The Uganda of 2015 scares the wits out of me and should you. Em Toronto No one can find a safe way out for himself if society is sweeping towards destruction. Therefore everyone, in his own interests, must thrust himself vigorously into the intellectual battle. None can stand aside with unconcern; the interests of everyone hang on the result. -- Ludwig von Mises The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - PS Dear Mr. Mulindwa Am a Ugandan citizen aged 23 years a pharmacy techncian by proffessional and an Enrolled comprehensive Nurse student hoping to graduate in November 2007 .I read your articles in Monitor news papers and they are so intreseting and thanks alot for remembering us and you write back i pray God to reward you abandantly. Am seeking for your help Concerning career guidance and advice concerning getting employment in your country so that i may start foccusing my goals accordingly .Because my goal is to have employment out side my country it is my greatest ambition but i do not know how i can go a bout this but since we have such peaple like you who are like parents i believed i had to seek for advice from them Any assistance ,help,advice rendered in whatever way is most welcome and most highly appreciated I also take this opportunity to request you if you can get me a sponsor from there because things here back home is complicated regarding financing myself is concerned Thank you for your concern to our mother country UGANDA Hope to hear from you BACK BASED IN UGANDA NYENJE IVAN KIZITO ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
Re: [Ugnet] Important message for the Baganda in the Diaspora
Mulindwa, I don't oppose being organized. However, your belief that: elected = accountable; appointed = irresponsible, is not necessarily the reality. Take a look at who is most corrupt in Uganda today and check whether they were elected or appointed. Kasangwawo From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.net To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.net CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],Florence Namutebi [EMAIL PROTECTED], ugandanet@kym.net Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Important message for the Baganda in the Diaspora Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 21:20:09 -0400 James Matovu Let us do things in an organized manner for once in a life time. Before we organize our selves as Baganda in Diaspora let Mengo get organized. We need an elected Lukiiko in Mengo. All these meetings we will do abroad will end up in raising funds to run Buganda and Mengo, and that is good. But do you really want to send your money to Mwaami so and so for he was appointed? If we were working that way we would not have been able to pay our bills. It is even laughable that you are calling on Ugandans in Diaspora to get organized before Mengo gets organized. And personally I hate doing things backwards. This is backwards. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: Edriss Kironde To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Important message for the Baganda in the Diaspora May 26 2007, topics and nominations to follow Edriss Sentongo Kironde Denver Colorado On 4/27/06, musamize [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please direct responses to: Joseph Matovu Chairman, Ggwanga Mujje NY/NJ, Inc. (718) 863-3623 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- LW'ABAGANDA TTABA MIRUKA Apuli 1, 2007 Bannyabo ne bassebo mbalamusizza nnyo. Amannya gange nze Joseph Matovu era nga nze Ssentebe wa Ggwanga Mujje New York/New Jersey, Inc. Abaganda bangi, naddala abali ebweru wa Buganda, tumaze ebbanga nga twogera ku ky'okussaawo olukiiko lw'Abaganda Ttabamiruka tukube empenda ez'okuweererezaamu oba okuzimbiramu Nnyaffe Buganda naddala mu biseera bino ebya kazigizigi. Wano bannakibiina kya Ggwanga Mujje NY/NJ, Inc. wetujjidde ne tweyama okulutuuza mu Ssaza ly'e New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania awamu ne Delaware omwaka ogujja (2007). Kyokka ng'enteekateeka ssinziggu tezinnatandika, tukusaba owe ebirowoozobyo ku bisengekeddwa wano wansi obituweereze nga tonnaggyako kompyuta eno gy'oliko. Apuli nga 30, 2006, tusaana okuba ng'ebirowoozo bya bonna tumaze okubikunngaanya. QUESTIONNAIRE 1. What 2007 date would you prefer to hold the event, given the following options: IMay 26, 2007? II September 1, 2007? III November 24, 2007? 2. Provide up to three (3) topics and/or activities that you would want to beincluded in the program. 3. Nominate up to three (3) persons that you would like to be invited as key-note speaker or as guest of honor. 4. In your estimation, how many people in your area/city are likely to come to this conference? If you have any additional suggestions, comments and/or remark you want to make, please, forward them now or later. Truly, Joseph Matovu Chairman, Ggwanga Mujje NY/NJ, Inc. (718) 863-3623 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2�/min or less. ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. --- -- ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. --- ___ Ugandanet mailing
Re: [Ugnet] 7, 000 bursaries for pro-Museveni districts - It is corruption!
Either way the foundation thrives on Ugandan taxes one way or another. Ocii, who told you that ? Can you substantiate ? From: ocii [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.net To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.net Subject: Re: [Ugnet] 7,000 bursaries for pro-Museveni districts - It is corruption! Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:56:31 -0500 (EST) Are you saying Buganda is an Island in Uganda? Either way the foundation thrives on Ugandan taxes one way or another. Tell me how Buganda kingdom is generating money. What is their sources of inclome? Ocii Edriss Kironde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ocii Re read the article again, but this time pay special attention to: BUGANDA princes and princesses under the umbrella body, the Prince Kimbuggwe Foundation, have stacked 7, 000 bursaries for children in districts which voted highly for President Yoweri Museveni in February 23 elections. On 3/21/06, ocii [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See article following. This below is corruption! Ugandans are entitled to bursaries whether or not they voted for Mu7. The NRM government can not loot Ugandan tax payers money to dish to those districts that voted for Mu7. Ugandan taxes must go towards elevating the standard of living of all Ugandans regardless of their votes. Chanelling tax payers money to support certain districts because the districts voted for Mu7 is an outright stealing of resources from those districts that did not vote for mu7 to nakedly prop up those districts that voted for mu7. This act does not only create even more poverty in the districts that did not vote for mu7, but also is criminal. If the NRM government want to provide bursaries for districts that voted for mu7, they should collected taxes in these districts that voted for mu7 for specifically, providing bursaries for t he same districts. There have been a lot of transfer of wealth from one region to another in the country in the last 20 years. Hopefully future investigation will tell, and then Ugandans can make inform decision on the penalty. Ocii ** 7, 000 bursaries for pro-Museveni districts IGNATIUS SSUUNA KAMPALA BUGANDA princes and princesses under the umbrella body, the Prince Kimbuggwe Foundation, have stacked 7, 000 bursaries for children in districts which voted highly for President Yoweri Museveni in February 23 elections. Th e head of the group, Prince Edward Kimbugwe, told Journalists in Kampala on Monday that the royal clan members were grateful to Ugandans for retaining Museveni in power. Museveni was re-elected President with 4,109,449 votes. FDC's Kizza Besigye got 2,592,954 votes, DP's Ssebaana Kizito got 109,538, independent Abed Bwanika 5,874. The only female candidate, Ms Mira Obote (UPC) got 57,071 votes. We have to reciprocate our appreciation by offering these bursaries to districts that showed Museveni huge support, Kimbugwe said. Districts in western and central regions voted Museveni overwhelmingly compared to those in eastern and northern Uganda. Kimbugwe said the bursaries would first be given to students in central Uganda before those upcountry benefit. The bursaries cover all categories from nursery to university, he said. He said the bursaries would be distributed to the beneficiaries throughout the country by th e President's representatives starting April this year. We encourage all Resident District Commissioners to come to our office in Kampala to get the details about the bursaries, Kimbugwe said. He said students from Buganda region would be considered although some personalities in the kingdom fight his good work of helping the poor. The Kimbuggwe Foundation members have had a shaky relationship with the Mengo establishment because of the royals's involvement in politics. The head of clans (Ssabalangira), Mr C. Kayima recently warned members of the royal clan from participating in politics, a directive the Kimbugwe Foundation defied. He said the foundation would also extend bursaries to students in northern Uganda although voters in the region supported Besigye. The foundation is pleased to announce that the bursaries are now available and it is up to the people to grab the chance, he said. The foundation is h elping over 10,000 students. - Enrich your life at Yahoo! Canada Finance ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
RE: [Ugnet] Uganda Needs Obote
There we go again - empty statements and justifications !!! Just two months ago I posted here details about the background of the 1966 crisis. Up to now you have not produced any evidence contradicting what I posted or pointing out any factual errors. But here you come again with the usual 'Kabaka ordered the central government out of Buganda'. If you failed to internalize the information first time round, you can re-read the article at: http://federo.com/Pages/What's_New.htm under '1966 crisis'. Kasangwawo From: Onegi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net Subject: [Ugnet] Uganda Needs Obote Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 21:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Uganda Needs Obote: I have observed and heard a lot of arguments from the detractors of Dr. Obote and come to the conclusion that the old man is desperately needed to straighten things out in Uganda. Do not get me wrong; I am not saying that Uganda cannot be ruled without Obote. What I am saying is that the nation Uganda needs Dr. Obote to bring a sense of unity that he has fostered during his first reign. Many people have written here on Ugandanet against Dr. Obote. But most of these people are his archenemies from whom you cannot expect any fair information. None has had the guts to acknowledge the good things Dr. Obote has done simply because that would overshadow the entire negative that they are attributing to him. Museveni cannot be compared to Obote as a Uganda leader. There is no part of Uganda that has not benefited from the Obote government. Under Museveni, Luwero people have been deceived and the whole of Acholi and eastern Uganda has been destroyed. Museveni has no pangs whatsoever about the plight of these displaced people. And now coming to twenty years in government, without any opposition whatsoever, Museveni and his supporters only know to blame every failure or lack of imagination on Obote! The Lubiri incident in which the Kabaka was driven out of Uganda is a sentimental issue to Baganda and Uganda in general. But it should be noted that the issue was not the conflict between the President and the Prime Minister at that time, but the physical treat from the Kabaka when he ordered the central government out of Buganda. The Kabaka and his government did not clearly explain to Uganda how he wanted to rule Uganda. Because of the conflict of interest the Kabaka had, the constitution as it was at that time, had to be changed. There are issues that Obote passionately believes in and will defend as anybody else would. Obote does not believe in military solutions. Amin would not have overthrown Obote in 1971 if Obote believed in military solutions. In the second government, popularly known as Obote II, he was forced to leave Uganda against his will. Whether Uganda would have been better off if he did not flee, I cannot tell. There was no specific risk on Dr. Obote as a person and as the president. So, because of the simple foregoing reasons, Uganda would benefit greatly through the return of Dr. Obote. Onegi pa Obol - Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/
Re: [Ugnet] GOOK FLIES OUT OF UPC AND JOINS FDC
Kipenji, it looks like you are one of those people who spend a good amount of their time speculating on many issues. I seem to have seen a remark like 'good riddance' somewhere at the beginning of this thread, or was it somebody else ? If gook has finally seen the UPC for what it is and decided to leave it, why don't you let him be instead of sending him off with such unkind words ? And since when did Godfrey Akanga become a she ? Kasangwawo From: Owor Kipenji [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] GOOK FLIES OUT OF UPC AND JOINS FDC Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 13:36:58 +0100 (BST) What we are witnessing on this discussion forum is what typically happens to a people who spend a good amount of their time speculating on many issues. An item was posted here to the effect that Gook left UPC and joined FDC.Gook, him/herself has said nothing about this assertion in any forum where (s)he is subscribed to. But Alas!,daggers are already being drawn out to congratulate and blame him/her for this alleged move or no move.What does that have to do with politics really? For Starters,any organization,social,political,cultural,academic etc that does not have a constant flux of people into and out of it is not worth associating with because surely that is a closed system,that with time implodes and ceases to exist! Not long ago,Vukoni et al enmass left the then Weekly topic and founded the Monitor Newspaper,today Vukoni,Ekolomoit,Ogen Kevin and others are not with the Monitor and I surely believe they are successful,where they are,does it mean because this cohort left Monitor,the paper collapsed? Has what they saw as bad in Monitor then that made them leave been rectified? If not why is Monitor still going on and yet the likes of Crusader and other papers they founded folded up and the Monitor has not? This is all about the foundations on which some organizations are built and so no individual or group of individuals will just by the butt of an eyelid shake that Organization. So it is with many political parties. Constant flux into and out of it is healthy for their survival. The Late Ronald Wilson Reagan started off as a Democrat and was an active member of the democratic youth brigade but ended up being the most admired Republican President!. If they had demonized or stopped to wish him well after leaving the Democratic Party,would they have helped him stay President for those 8 years?. Likewise,leaving any political party in Uganda most often has nothing to do with not seeing something good within that party but rather a strategy that many employ to achieve what they know,from within the present establishment,they would never have half a chance! So instead of tearing each other garments of some of this nascent allegations and strategies Ugandans are accomplished at perfecting,we should really be thinking of better ways to emancipate our citizenry from the appaling and dehumanizing poverty that Mu7 and cohorts have visited upon them in the last 20 years. Kipenji Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vukoni That is true but FDC is still NRM man give me a break. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ugandanet@kym.net Cc: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 4:08 PM Subject: RE: [Ugnet] GOOK FLIES OUT OF UPC AND JOINS FDC Any political orgnization that hemorrhages members has to ask itself why. It can't be the same reason each time someone leaves. Original Message Subject: Re: [Ugnet] GOOK FLIES OUT OF UPC AND JOINS FDC From: Owor Kipenji [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, September 06, 2005 7:06 am To: ugandanet@kym.net Good riddance! Kipenji David Nyende [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gook has seen LIGHT. David M. Nyende PARTNER Johnson Nyende Certified Public Accountants 3rd Floor Crusader House Portal Avenue P. O. Box 6164, Kampala, Uganda. Tel. 256-41-235881/3; 256-31-262298/9 Mobile: 256-71-444586 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Edward Mulindwa To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: gook makanga ; Florence Namutebi ; ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 7:07 AM Subject: [Ugnet] GOOK FLIES OUT OF UPC AND JOINS FDC Ugandans Reliable sources are informing The Communication Group that Godfrey Akanga Gook, My fellow Luwerorian has deserted UPC to FDC with a high post too. Yea as the jaw is dropping it is true to the dot. For the record, the elections going to happen in Uganda is a fracas, I know that and you know that, and Gook my best friend knows it. We have allot of stress on our population especially those in exile. But we have even the Kibuuka's who swear on the
[Ugnet] RE: the 1966 crisis IV
to kick Obote's government off Buganda soil, they remember these events that led to the crisis in 1966. Jonah Kasangwawo _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/
Re: [Ugnet] RE: [FedsNet] Re: the 1966 crisis II
Onegi, I'm not trying to convince anyone what a brilliant historian I am. I'm not even sure if you have read the whole thread on this subject, but it would be advisable for you to go to my first posting for an explanation of my intention instead of relying on guesswork and phantasies. If you have nothing to say about the content, I'm not expecting you to respond. What is not useful to me is someone trying to misrepresent my motives and pretending that actual quotes of what happened are my wishes and expectations. It is people like you who don't want to face facts about our history and learn from them, who are taking Uganda astray by striving to come back and continue where you left off. With hindsight, I had thought of withdrawing my last remark in the previous posting, as it is atypical of my way of communication. But I guess it has to remain standing. Kasangwawo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net Subject: Re: [Ugnet] RE: [FedsNet] Re: the 1966 crisis II Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 04:48:09 GMT Kasangwawo If all your reasoning and explanation end up in What an asshole ! how do you think this is going to convince people to see what a brilliant historian you are? Tell us what you think about the constitution as it affects the current people in Uganda and what you will do to protect it and how you will do it. Also tell us what you expect from us your listeners so we can respond approriately. What you claim to be history or facts seem to be your wishes and expectations. It does not absolve you from being an ordinary Ugandan subject to the constitution. History may be good but now is better. Are you trying to relive history? If so, how can your reader or contributors to your message become assholes? It is because of such people like you that Uganda is going astray! You have the guns and you can not talk development but history and everymorning your are borrowing money from overseas to prevent Obote from returning to Uganda. Yours is too much Kasangwawo. Onegi pa obol -- jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Onegi pa Obol, I don't know how you came to the conclusion that my intention is to create grounds for great upheavals in the country ! All I am attempting to do is to give you the facts of our History, so we can all learn from it. I am not encouraging dictators to use the same mean tricks Obote used then, on the contrary I abhor them. But as the situation stands today, it seems we haven't learnt from that History. You may think that Obote is infallible but the fact is that he set the example for taking over power using the military which was the beginning of the troubles we are still experiencing today. If you can't see the glaring similarities - Congo, messing with the Constitution, etc. - I'm sorry I can't simplify for you farther than that. What an asshole ! Kasangwawo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net Subject: Re: [Ugnet] RE: [FedsNet] Re: the 1966 crisis II Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 04:41:07 GMT I must thank all those learned or educated or informed persons who have lead us to believe that Uganda is about Obote and Mutesa. Thank you for having a mind that allows other dictators to emerge in Uganda using the same protocol and procedures. And thank you for creating grounds for great upheavals in the country. Onegi pa Obol -- jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: contd. The President's Secretary responded to Obote's accusations on 4th March 1966 and questioned why the Prime Minister did not specify which foreign diplomats had been asked to send troops. He reminded the Prime Minister that while on his Northern tour, serious allegations concerning plans to overthrow the Constitution had been made in Parliament and that on his return, the Prime Minister himself had acknowledged the great alarm, especially in Kampala, caused by the movement of troops which Obote himself had authorized earlier without informing the President. Connection was made between this illegal training of troops and the truck loads of arms and ammunition impounded by the Kenyan government the year before. The response further stated that In the circumstances, precautionary requests had to be made should the situation get out of hand. The safety of the nation was at stake. The President did not invite foreign troops to invade this country. The precautionary requests were conditional and did not precipitate anything. The answer further reminded the Prime Minister that during the army mutiny in 1964, he had called in British troops without informing the President who was both Head of State and Commander-in-Chief until Sir Edward demanded to be given the necessary information. Concerning the dereliction of duty accusations, the Secretary to the President stated, and I quote: As to failure to sign the two Acts, section 67 of the Constitution provides, in part
[Ugnet] RE: the 1966 crisis III
contd. Before I was so rudely interrupted, I was telling you about the two letters which Sir Edward wrote to the Prime Minister in February/March 1966. I'll quote the second letter of 3rd March in full, lest some quarters again view it as my 'wishes and expectations': Your endeavours to introduce a totalitarian regime in this country, in complete violation of the Constitution of Uganda, which endeavours culminated in your announcement last night, have got no support of the people of this country. You must be aware of this yourself. Your intentions are now clear, they are not motivated by the sense of service to one's own country. You would otherwise realise that the happiness and prosperity of Uganda are being jeopardized by your unconstitutional actions, which you have been pursuing single-handed since the 22nd February, 1966. The public in this country and abroad that believes in representative democracy will never recognize the fact of your usurpation of the powers which the Constitution clearly vests in the President whose election is by Parliament and by nobody else. I myself cannot be party to your present illegal exercise. I would like to add this further point - that your current conduct is very harmful to the cause of our brothers in the rest of Africa where every wrong step we take out here adds to their already unbearable burden. The existing tensions in the whole world today demand that we do our utmost best to reduce them instead of adding to them in any manner. I should be failing in my duty if I left you in the slightest doubt that the people of this country would ever accept these, your unconstitutional measures. There are far too many warnings elsewhere already for anybody to think that our people can ever acquiesce in this insult of their intelligence. Please read this letter alongside mine of 28th February. Both letters were received enthusiastically by the public because up to that time, they did not exactly know what the President's stand was in the whole affair. The local and foreign press were not supportive of the Prime Minister's activities. The Time magazine even called it a 'coup of convenience'. Obote now turned really nasty and put the State House off limits for Sir Edward, without even having the courtesy to inform him. The President complained about this in a letter he wrote to the Prime Minister on 8th March: It has been broght to my notice that in pursuance of your instructions State House has been sealed and the staff thereof ordered not to serve me anymore, he wrote. He stated that this was very serious as valuable property belonging to him was still in State House and that he was not informed when when it was being sealed. Sir Edward seems to have been aware that he could be framed in the process, for he continues: There are two possibilities that can happen after this your unilateral act. My personal effects may be misplaced or lost altogether and secondly some extraneous matter may be introduced into the House. Both these apects or either of them may cause alarming results. You have taken away all my staff, including the security officers, thereby exposing my life to maximum danger. He ends the letter on a philosophical note: The future is mercifully closed to most of us, but the past, which is the greatest teacher known to man, has shown that desperate measures such as the ones we are now being subjected to by yourself, have the quality of a boomerang and they invariably lead to limited or general misery. The verdict will not wait for posterity as the living have now written their judgement regarding your actions. Instead of replying to Muteesa, Obote issued a statement in the Uganda Argus on 11th March stressing that the offices of President and Vice-President had been suspended on 24th February and therefore it was necessary to secure government property at State House as well as personal effects belonging to the 'former' President. He claimed that Since then, Sir Edward has been free to remove any of his personal belongings from State House, and indeed he has already removed some of his personal effects. He is still free to send any authorised person to remove whatever is remaining. Obote continued that since the Constituion was suspended, the 'former' President could not expect to use State House or any government property. Anybody working for him must consider himself a personal employee at Sir Edward's expense, he stated, without taking into consideration that most of these employees were civil servants whose benefits, such as pensions, were in jeopardy because of his actions. He finished by warning editors of newspapers who still referred to the offices of President and Vice-President to stop misleading or misinforming the public. to be contd. _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now!
Re: [Ugnet] RE: [FedsNet] Re: the 1966 crisis II
Onegi pa Obol, I don't know how you came to the conclusion that my intention is to create grounds for great upheavals in the country ! All I am attempting to do is to give you the facts of our History, so we can all learn from it. I am not encouraging dictators to use the same mean tricks Obote used then, on the contrary I abhor them. But as the situation stands today, it seems we haven't learnt from that History. You may think that Obote is infallible but the fact is that he set the example for taking over power using the military which was the beginning of the troubles we are still experiencing today. If you can't see the glaring similarities - Congo, messing with the Constitution, etc. - I'm sorry I can't simplify for you farther than that. What an asshole ! Kasangwawo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net Subject: Re: [Ugnet] RE: [FedsNet] Re: the 1966 crisis II Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 04:41:07 GMT I must thank all those learned or educated or informed persons who have lead us to believe that Uganda is about Obote and Mutesa. Thank you for having a mind that allows other dictators to emerge in Uganda using the same protocol and procedures. And thank you for creating grounds for great upheavals in the country. Onegi pa Obol -- jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: contd. The President's Secretary responded to Obote's accusations on 4th March 1966 and questioned why the Prime Minister did not specify which foreign diplomats had been asked to send troops. He reminded the Prime Minister that while on his Northern tour, serious allegations concerning plans to overthrow the Constitution had been made in Parliament and that on his return, the Prime Minister himself had acknowledged the great alarm, especially in Kampala, caused by the movement of troops which Obote himself had authorized earlier without informing the President. Connection was made between this illegal training of troops and the truck loads of arms and ammunition impounded by the Kenyan government the year before. The response further stated that In the circumstances, precautionary requests had to be made should the situation get out of hand. The safety of the nation was at stake. The President did not invite foreign troops to invade this country. The precautionary requests were conditional and did not precipitate anything. The answer further reminded the Prime Minister that during the army mutiny in 1964, he had called in British troops without informing the President who was both Head of State and Commander-in-Chief until Sir Edward demanded to be given the necessary information. Concerning the dereliction of duty accusations, the Secretary to the President stated, and I quote: As to failure to sign the two Acts, section 67 of the Constitution provides, in part, that if the President declines to perform an act as required by the Constitution, the Prime Minister may himself perform that act. In his capacity as Kabaka of Buganda and President of Uganda, Sir Edward Mutesa was put in a most invidious position over the question of the Referendum. The two Counties, the subject of the Referendum, formed part of the Kingdom of Buganda. The Prime Minister was quite aware of this quandary himself and he agreed to follow the procedures laid down in section 67 and signed the Acts. The section envisaged such a situation. It was constitutional for the President to have declined as he did. The same was true for the official opening of the session of Parliament. The Constitution did not provide that the President MUST (emphasis mine) perform the opening of each and every session. It envisaged occasions where the Vice-President could perform functions should the President be unable to do so. This was one such occasion. All of this shows that Obote was just trying to find petty reasons for carrying out his unconstitutional acts. Another problem was that the President had no access to the mass media which was a monopoly of Obote and his government. So while Obote could reach a lot of people, Sir Edward could only depend on the mercy of the press which was also not quite free. But on 4th March 1966 the President managed to break his silence and published two letters he had written to the Prime Minister on 28th February 1966 and 3rd March 1966. The first one read in part: This is to inform you that your public statements of 22nd and 24th February, 1966, have caused me much anxiety especially as you have not informed me of them as you are required by the Constitution. He goes on to inform Obote that his taking over of all powers of the Government of Uganda was contrary to the Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land and that the suspension of the Constitution was unconstitutional. I'll quote the rest of it in full in order to do full justice to the message: I have allowed plenty of time to elapse before writing to you in the hope that after careful
[Ugnet] RE: [FedsNet] Re: the 1966 crisis II
contd. The President's Secretary responded to Obote's accusations on 4th March 1966 and questioned why the Prime Minister did not specify which foreign diplomats had been asked to send troops. He reminded the Prime Minister that while on his Northern tour, serious allegations concerning plans to overthrow the Constitution had been made in Parliament and that on his return, the Prime Minister himself had acknowledged the great alarm, especially in Kampala, caused by the movement of troops which Obote himself had authorized earlier without informing the President. Connection was made between this illegal training of troops and the truck loads of arms and ammunition impounded by the Kenyan government the year before. The response further stated that In the circumstances, precautionary requests had to be made should the situation get out of hand. The safety of the nation was at stake. The President did not invite foreign troops to invade this country. The precautionary requests were conditional and did not precipitate anything. The answer further reminded the Prime Minister that during the army mutiny in 1964, he had called in British troops without informing the President who was both Head of State and Commander-in-Chief until Sir Edward demanded to be given the necessary information. Concerning the dereliction of duty accusations, the Secretary to the President stated, and I quote: As to failure to sign the two Acts, section 67 of the Constitution provides, in part, that if the President declines to perform an act as required by the Constitution, the Prime Minister may himself perform that act. In his capacity as Kabaka of Buganda and President of Uganda, Sir Edward Mutesa was put in a most invidious position over the question of the Referendum. The two Counties, the subject of the Referendum, formed part of the Kingdom of Buganda. The Prime Minister was quite aware of this quandary himself and he agreed to follow the procedures laid down in section 67 and signed the Acts. The section envisaged such a situation. It was constitutional for the President to have declined as he did. The same was true for the official opening of the session of Parliament. The Constitution did not provide that the President MUST (emphasis mine) perform the opening of each and every session. It envisaged occasions where the Vice-President could perform functions should the President be unable to do so. This was one such occasion. All of this shows that Obote was just trying to find petty reasons for carrying out his unconstitutional acts. Another problem was that the President had no access to the mass media which was a monopoly of Obote and his government. So while Obote could reach a lot of people, Sir Edward could only depend on the mercy of the press which was also not quite free. But on 4th March 1966 the President managed to break his silence and published two letters he had written to the Prime Minister on 28th February 1966 and 3rd March 1966. The first one read in part: This is to inform you that your public statements of 22nd and 24th February, 1966, have caused me much anxiety especially as you have not informed me of them as you are required by the Constitution. He goes on to inform Obote that his taking over of all powers of the Government of Uganda was contrary to the Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land and that the suspension of the Constitution was unconstitutional. I'll quote the rest of it in full in order to do full justice to the message: I have allowed plenty of time to elapse before writing to you in the hope that after careful thought you would find your way to retracting these unconstitutional acts. I had hoped that your advisers would point it out to you that the course you were pursuing might cause instability in the country, a situation which we are all striving to avoid. Now that the dark clouds continue to mount in the very lives of the people of this country, I feel I am in duty bound to ask you to stay your hand, and to desist from continuing with the procedures against Government personnel, especially those who are commissioned to serve me. Our first duty is to the people of this country. The people decided in their great wisdom that the best way to serve them is through the means laid down in the Constitution which they themselves made. Once again, I earnestly appeal to you to adhere strictly to the Constitution in order to remove this overhanging uneasiness which cannot be conducive to peace, good order and the counrty's prosperity. It is clear from the above that Sir Edward still thought he could be civil in his dealings with Obote. ..more later. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___
[Ugnet] Re: the 1966 crisis
Mw. Muwanga-Zake / netters, it is not unusual for people like Ocaya p'Ocure to declare that Mengo wanted to kick Obote's government off Buganda soil, without making any attempt to mention the events culminating in that act, thereby giving the impression that somehow the members of the Lukiiko just woke up one fine morning and decided to order Obote out of Buganda without any reason. As I will show below, several attempts were made, not only by the Great Lukiiko but also by the then President Muteesa II himself, to bring Obote to reason and convince him to change his ways and retract his unconstitutional acts - all to no avail. It was only after all attempts had failed, that the Lukiiko made it clear that the basis on which Buganda had agreed to be part of an independent country called Uganda had been violated and told Obote to remove his government from Buganda soil. Having said that, the Lukiiko was the only institution that made any visible attempt to stop Obote's illegal acts while others were numb due to his machinations. Now to the events: The Uganda government had supported the Congolese Simba rebels led by Gbenye (an army whose fighters dressed in monkey skins and cannibalized their opponents) during the armed conflict between Tshombe and Gbenye in the early 60s. At the end of the operations, some Ugandan MPs started raising questions as to who authorized the Uganda forces beyond guarding the Uganda border. There were also allegations that gold and ivory was brought back and shared among certain individuals. The issue was first publicly discussed in Parliament when a government backbencher tabled a motion on 12th March 1965 concerning the security situation in Buganda, the main objective of which was to ban Kabaka Yekka (KY) by branding it a party of criminals. During the debate, a DP member, Gaspari Oda, sought to amend the motion by adding corruption in the civil service and armed forces, which he said was a factor in the insecurity not only in Buganda but throughout the country. The amendment was finally defeated but not before Daudi Ochieng (KY) and Alexander Latim (DP) had introduced a lot of information in support of the amendment. Ochieng confirmed that the insecurity was not confined to Buganda but was spread throughout the country; that the soldiers patrolling near the Congo border in West Nile were becoming lawless; that morale in the armed forces was low due to the soldiers' belief that a few senior officers were making personal financial gain out of the border incidents. Ochieng also informed Parliament that Amin, who was then Deputy Commander of the Uganda Army, had visited West Nile several times and had been seen bringing back parcels to his home in Entebbe which he guarded with utmost security. Through a mistake by the post office, whereby Amin's bank statement was put into the wrong box, the following information about his deposits became available: he had deposited $1500 on 5th February 1965; $9000 on 15th Feb; $3000 on 17th Feb; $28250 on 26 Feb and $3250 on 2nd March. As Amin had no known private means of income, Ochieng wanted Onama, the Minister of Defence, to initiate an investigation into this sudden windfall. Incidentally, Onama had told Parliament at the beginning of the debate that Amin's bank account stood at $2400. Before introducing the information to Parliament, Ochieng and Latim had the courtesy of informing Onama and the Inspector Gneral of Police about the whole situation. When Amin got wind of the reports, he phoned Latim and threatened to kill him and Ochieng. He later apologized to both gentlemen claiming that he had been upset by the allegations about his bank account. Onama, on his part, dismissed the allegations against Amin calling them latrine talks. He even suggested that Amin's relatives had given him the money, or that Congolese refugees might have given it to him for safe keeping. Realizing the futility of his justifications, Onama promised to initiate investigations into the matter. The investigations were never carried out, since Brigadier Opolot, the Commander of the Uganda Army, was prevented from initiating them according to the Military Law. The matter was left unanswered until Ochieng revived it on 4th February 1966 after the Penal (Amendment) Bill, section 41, which sought to curb the activities of KY, had been passed. His motion sought to suspend Amin pending investigations into his account. Ochieng alleged that some members of the government, together with Colonel Amin, were planning a coup to overthrow the Constitution. During the debate, it was disclosed that Milton Obote, Felix Onama and Adoko Nekyon, Minister of Planning and Community Development, had received large amounts of money from gold and elephant tusks from Congo after Uganda Army's incursions into that country. All the ministers present, except Onama (who denied the charges), were of the opinion that
Re: [Ugnet] Mutesa's last days in UK
Of course it does. It is only that your brain is too little to make the connections. From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Mutesa's last days in UK Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 19:19:51 -0400 Kasangwawo This article has actually nothing to do with what I posted. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 7:33 AM Subject: [Ugnet] Mutesa's last days in UK Netters, here's the article about Muteesa II's time in exile. I'd rather believe this well-researched information than the fables one netter has been imposing on the public about his hero remitting funds to the exiled King. In fact, as you will see, the opposite was the case. What would be interesting to know is how much was on the accounts frozen by Obote and what happened to the money, as well as the confiscated property. Kasangwawo May 24, 2005 Mutesa's last days in UK By Esther Nakkazi When he had arrived in London, Mutesa had been accorded VIP protection. But upon pressure from Kampala, the British government had the security withdrawn. Ugandan journalist Esther Nakkazi recently travelled to the UK and went to the National archives with a vie to finding out the truth about the life of Sir Edward Mutesa who was overthrown as Kabaka and President of Uganda on May 23, 1966. Below, she recounts her findings: It is a cold Saturday morning at the National Archives, one of the largest archival collections in the world with a collection of records dating as far back as the 11th century. With the Freedom of Information Act passed in November 2000, which came into effect in 2005, one can access any type of information held by public bodies upon registration, free of charge. Mutesa After logging in, using my ticket number, searching the catalogue which contains 9.5 million searchable descriptions of records of central governments, courts of law and other UK national bodies, my interest was the Foreign Office where you will find all the correspondences between the colonial government and the British government. Under the current legislation in the UK, most public records that were held and labelled confidential/secret are open 30 years after they were filed by government departments. For a start my search word was Mutesa, then demarcation of Uganda's borders, East African Railway and all had interesting revelations. With a list of over 40 entries, I settled for Mutesa in exile, since this year makes 39 years since he went into exile in London. According to the files I accessed - mainly letters, correspondences and minutes of meetings that took place in London about Uganda - while in London, Sir Edward Mutesa was literally starving and perpetually broke, unable to pay his rent and living off donations from friends. He was not even allowed to keep his own money for fear that he would spend it on luxuries like beer. So any donations he got were controlled by his solicitor Mr. Martin Flegg who paid his rent and Mutesa's cook. Although Mutesa was living in a deplorable flat near the Bayswater road paying rent of only £25 (about Shs80,000), the rent was increasingly becoming unaffordable ten months after getting to London and he was progressively becoming a burden to his friends. Already, his friend Lord Boyd had collected from among Mutesa's friends a sum amounting to £1,400 (Shs4.6m) including £100 (Shs330,000) from the solicitor-general Sir-Dingle Foot and it was in the custody of his solicitor Mr. Flegg. They had also collected £400 (Shs1.3m) for his travel to England and Lord Boyd did not want to ask them for any more money. Meanwhile his creditors were being kept at bay but he was always on the verge of being declared destitute. Senior British politicians found it deplorable that a whole president of a commonwealth country would be in this state. But fears of damaging relations between UK and the new regime in Kampala kept the government from assisting the fallen king. Sir Edward Mutesa and one of his followers were admitted to the UK after escaping from Uganda following the May 1966 coup in which Mutesa at that time Kabaka of Buganda was deposed from his position as constitutional president. Both of them were admitted to the UK as Commonwealth immigrants upon undertakings given by Mutesa's British friends- Lord Montagu of Beaulieu and Hon. Colin Tennant that they would accept full responsibility for their maintenance but with time, they could not sustain the donations as the contributions soon ran out. So his friends decided to seek audience with Minister of State, Mr. George Thomas on February 28, 1976. In the meeting, Lord Boyd told
Re: [Ugnet] Moving story coming: Obote Froze theKabaka'sAccount-Monitor 23/5/2005
Ha, ha, he really believed he was genuinely being called a critical thinker ! Look Mulindwa, I honestly believe you did not read the article in question (or is the language causing problems yet again ?), otherwise you would not be asking these unnecessary questions. I suggest you read the article carefully - the answers to your questions can be found thereof; where he lived, how he lived, what he lived from, from whom he got help, et cetera. If you find this too difficult, just ask some of your friends to translate for you into a language you understand better. One thing is certain though - Obote treated Muteesa in the most abominable way by denying him access even to his private funds in Kampala by freezing his account there. Kasangwawo From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Moving story coming: Obote Froze theKabaka'sAccount-Monitor 23/5/2005 Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 20:03:13 -0400 What a critical thinker does in a circumstance like this is to tell us how Muteesa survived in UK, I wish Kasangwawo can stop the ranting and tell us how Magulunyondo survived? Did Baganda send funds to support our King? And if not so we could ask our selves why? Because failing to address this issue today we will have another King in exile and he still will live in poverty for Obote is gone from Uganda's history and I do not see Mutebi in Kingdom pass Museveni. I really do not. But the Kasangwawo's just keep on singing Ssabasajja Waligwa nange wendigwa crap. And we pick no lesson at all, that is true Bugandism. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Moving story coming: Obote Froze the Kabaka'sAccount-Monitor 23/5/2005 Mw. Mulindwa, Did I miss your response to this below, or are you still critically thinking about it? Once again, my name is at the bottom of the posting. jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mw. Musamize, you will have noticed that this is the usual way Mulindwa acts when he is challenged about his wild allegations, which he normally has no inkling about. He starts yelling about something else that has completely no relevance to the issue at hand ! This is a sign of a liar or someone with low intelligence. He is now like a boxer who continually threatens his opponent with a beating but does nothing until the opponent knocks him out cold. Mulindwa, why don't you just give up - you are out cold. Kasangwawo From: musamize Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Moving story coming: Obote Froze the Kabaka's Account-Monitor 23/5/2005 Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 17:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Mr. Mulindwa: Do not evade the question. You have stated, in print, and elsewhere that Obote sent money to support Kabaka Muteesa II after he tried and failed to kill him in the Lubiri. I asked you provide even a scintilla of evidence to or anyother proof to support your wild claims. You pretended not to notice my request. Now it turns out, that your hero actually did the opposite: he actually froze Muteesa's account. Moreover this is to appear in a UPC-friendly paper. The interesting thing would be to learn what Obote did with Muteesa's money and by what authority. Talk about thieves in high places! Another thing: Why do you have such a hard time with facts and how come you rarely -- if ever -- address questions you are asked directly? e.g. where in my one sentence note do you read any reference to deathrow, etc? Or are you just fascinated by demolishing strawmen that you erect? Now, here are some sources of bwino on the Late Muteesa's finances, which were declassified sometime ago by the British government. See if any of them can, even remotely, lend a picogram of credibility to your wild claims on how Obote used to send Muteesa money during the latter's exile: Financial and other difficulties faced by Sir Edward Mutesa ex-Kabaka of Buganda, 1967 Jan 01-1967 Dec 31, Doc #FCO 31/179 Financial and other difficulties faced by Sir Edward Mutesa ex-Kabaka of Buganda, 1968 Jan 01-1968 Dec 31, Doc #FCO 31/1074 etc, etc ps: might as well finish doing your homework for you: FCO refers to Foreign and Commonwealth Office. You could also wait to be rescued by tomorrow's Monitor. Edward Mulindwa wrote: Musamize Let us get out of this crap, you want me to post the details I will and you know it. The danger here is that you think I am on the opposite side, yet I am only posting facts. Was Obote the best president for Uganda? May be not. Was I arrested by Obote's government and ended up in exile to today? May be yes. But the point here is to state facts. Facts that we can not change. And when
Re: Re: [Ugnet] Mutesas last days in UK
Mw. Musamize, thanks, that's exactly him. But this is probably beyond our friend. Mulindwa, you can't just move on before providing the evidence that Obote sent money to Muteesa II while he was in exile as you allege. You have been promising for weeks to post it but nothing has been forthcoming. So, where is the evidence ? Kasangwawo From: musamize [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net Subject: Re: Re: [Ugnet] Mutesas last days in UK Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 17:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Mw. Kasangwawo: Would this, by any chance, the George Thomas the article refers to? George Thomas, 1st Viscount TonypandyFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Thomas%2C_1st_Viscount_Tonypandy Viscount Tonypandy Thomas George Thomas, 1st Viscount Tonypandy (born Port Talbot, January 29, 1909; died September 22, 1997) was a British Labour politician. The second son of a Welsh miner, he was raised by his mother in the village of Trealaw in Wales, just across the river from the town of Tonypandy. At the time, a good education was seen as the best means of escape from the valleys and he was chosen to attend Tonypandy Grammar School. After attending University College, Southampton, he worked as a teacher in both London and Cardiff. Elected to parliament in the Attlee landslide of 1945, he held the seats of Cardiff Central (1945-50) and Cardiff West (1950-83) until his retirement from the Commons in 1983. He was one of the first on the scene of the Aberfan disaster, which occurred while he was a Minister at the Welsh Office. As Secretary of State for Wales from 1968 to 1970, he presided over the investiture of the Prince of Wales at Caernarvon Castle in 1969. During Thomas's term of office as Speaker of the House of Commons from 1976 to 1983, the first broadcasting of Parliamentary proceedings brought him unprecedented public attention, but he proved more impartial than party colleagues had expected. In 1983 he retired and was created Viscount Tonypandy, one of the last creations of a hereditary peerage. Thomas was always opposed to Welsh nationalism: one of his final political acts was his public opposition to the Blair government's devolution proposals of 1997. After Tonypandy's death, a former Welsh Labour MP, Leo Abse, created a controversy by alleging that Thomas had been homosexual and had been the victim of blackmail for this reason. Abse, the MP who introduced the private member's bill which decriminalised homosexuality in Britain, discussed this incident in his book Tony Blair: The Man Behind the Smile. He said that Thomas had paid money to blackmailers to keep his gay lifestyle secret. Abse said that he had once lent Thomas £800 to pay off blackmailers. Throughout his career he remained a deeply religious man, and was a prominent member of the Methodist church. Known by the nickname Tommy Twice (from his full name), his Welsh cries of Order! Order! as Speaker were familiar to a generation of Britons. Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mwaami Kigundu The whole article is a lie and I just moved on, I prefer researched articles because George Thomas was not even a mister of state at a time. But what I posted in Monitor required a response and here we are. So I left that with the Kasangwawo's who do not research but just read for reading. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: Kiggundu Mukasa To: Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Mutesas last days in UK On May 24, 2005, at 2:33 PM, jonah kasangwawo wrote: So his friends decided to seek audience with Minister of State, Mr. George Thomas on February 28, 1976. In the meeting, Lord Boyd told the minister that Sir Edward Mutesa was suffering great hardship and lacked financial support. .. The political ping-pong about Muteesas welfare dragged on until he died destitute and lonely in 1969.. He was living 8 years after he died?? Typical Ugandan Journalism ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ ___ / _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/
Re: [Ugnet] Moving story coming: Mulindwa's answers
is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: musamize To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Moving story coming: Obote Froze theKabaka'sAccount-Monitor 23/5/2005 Mr. Mulindwa, For a self-proclaimed Critical Thinker, you spend a tremendous amout of time beating about the bush, all the time wishing and praying that the questions will magically evaporate. The questions on the table are: 1. Did Obote send money for Muteesa's upkeep during exile -- as you have claimed -- or not? 2. If so, how much, when, and from whence and with what authority? 3. And. what in the world did Obote do with the money in Muteesa's account in Uganda after he froze the account? Unless answer are forthcoming, and since we all know that Obote has never put in an honest day's work all the time he has been in exile, I'll assume that Obote has been actually eating on Muteesa's money all these years, otherwise how has he survived thus far and managed to live so high on the hog? ps: I do not know is an acceptable answer to each of those questions. Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What a critical thinker does in a circumstance like this is to tell us how Muteesa survived in UK, I wish Kasangwawo can stop the ranting and tell us how Magulunyondo survived? Did Baganda send funds to support our King? And if not so we could ask our selves why? Because failing to address this issue today we will have another King in exile and he still will live in poverty for Obote is gone from Uganda's history and I do not see Mutebi in Kingdom pass Museveni. I really do not. But the Kasangwawo's just keep on singing Ssabasajja Waligwa nange wendigwa crap. And we pick no lesson at all, that is true Bugandism. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Moving story coming: Obote Froze the Kabaka'sAccount-Monitor 23/5/2005 Mw. Mulindwa, Did I miss your response to this below, or are you still critically thinking about it? Once again, my name is at the bottom of the posting. jonah kasangwawo wrote: Mw. Musamize, you will have noticed that this is the usual way Mulindwa acts when he is challenged about his wild allegations, which he normally has no inkling about. He starts yelling about something else that has completely no relevance to the issue at hand ! This is a sign of a liar or someone with low intelligence. He is now like a boxer who continually threatens his opponent with a beating but does nothing until the opponent kno cks him out cold. Mulindwa, why don't you just give up - you are out cold. Kasangwawo From: musamize Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Moving story coming: Obote Froze the Kabaka's Account-Monitor 23/5/2005 Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 17:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Mr. Mulindwa: Do not evade the question. You have stated, in print, and elsewhere that Obote sent money to support Kabaka Muteesa II after he tried and failed to kill him in the Lubiri. I asked you provide even a scintilla of evidence to or anyother proof to support your wild claims. You pretended not to notice my request. Now it turns out, that your hero actually did the opposite: he actually froze Muteesa's acco unt. Moreover this is to appear in a UPC-friendly paper. The interesting thing would be to learn what Obote did with Muteesa's money and by what authority. Talk about thieves in high places! Another thing: Why do you have such a hard time with facts and how come you rarely -- if ever -- address questions you are asked directly? e.g. where in my one sentence note do you read any reference to deathrow, etc? Or are you just fascinated by demolishing strawmen that you erect? Now, here are some sources of bwino on the Late Muteesa's finances, which were declassified sometime ago by the British government. See if any of them can, even remotely, lend a picogram of credibility to your wild claims on how Obote used to send Muteesa money dur ing the latter's exile: Financial and other difficulties faced by Sir Edward Mutesa ex-Kabaka of Buganda, 1967 Jan 01-1967 Dec 31, Doc #FCO 31/179 Financial and other difficulties faced by Sir Edward
[Ugnet] Mutesas last days in UK
Netters, here's the article about Muteesa II's time in exile. I'd rather believe this well-researched information than the fables one netter has been imposing on the public about his hero remitting funds to the exiled King. In fact, as you will see, the opposite was the case. What would be interesting to know is how much was on the accounts frozen by Obote and what happened to the money, as well as the confiscated property. Kasangwawo May 24, 2005 Mutesas last days in UK By Esther Nakkazi When he had arrived in London, Mutesa had been accorded VIP protection. But upon pressure from Kampala, the British government had the security withdrawn. Ugandan journalist Esther Nakkazi recently travelled to the UK and went to the National archives with a vie to finding out the truth about the life of Sir Edward Mutesa who was overthrown as Kabaka and President of Uganda on May 23, 1966. Below, she recounts her findings: It is a cold Saturday morning at the National Archives, one of the largest archival collections in the world with a collection of records dating as far back as the 11th century. With the Freedom of Information Act passed in November 2000, which came into effect in 2005, one can access any type of information held by public bodies upon registration, free of charge. Mutesa After logging in, using my ticket number, searching the catalogue which contains 9.5 million searchable descriptions of records of central governments, courts of law and other UK national bodies, my interest was the Foreign Office where you will find all the correspondences between the colonial government and the British government. Under the current legislation in the UK, most public records that were held and labelled confidential/secret are open 30 years after they were filed by government departments. For a start my search word was Mutesa, then demarcation of Ugandas borders, East African Railway and all had interesting revelations. With a list of over 40 entries, I settled for Mutesa in exile, since this year makes 39 years since he went into exile in London. According to the files I accessed mainly letters, correspondences and minutes of meetings that took place in London about Uganda while in London, Sir Edward Mutesa was literally starving and perpetually broke, unable to pay his rent and living off donations from friends. He was not even allowed to keep his own money for fear that he would spend it on luxuries like beer. So any donations he got were controlled by his solicitor Mr. Martin Flegg who paid his rent and Mutesas cook. Although Mutesa was living in a deplorable flat near the Bayswater road paying rent of only £25 (about Shs80,000), the rent was increasingly becoming unaffordable ten months after getting to London and he was progressively becoming a burden to his friends. Already, his friend Lord Boyd had collected from among Mutesas friends a sum amounting to £1,400 (Shs4.6m) including £100 (Shs330,000) from the solicitor-general Sir-Dingle Foot and it was in the custody of his solicitor Mr. Flegg. They had also collected £400 (Shs1.3m) for his travel to England and Lord Boyd did not want to ask them for any more money. Meanwhile his creditors were being kept at bay but he was always on the verge of being declared destitute. Senior British politicians found it deplorable that a whole president of a commonwealth country would be in this state. But fears of damaging relations between UK and the new regime in Kampala kept the government from assisting the fallen king. Sir Edward Mutesa and one of his followers were admitted to the UK after escaping from Uganda following the May 1966 coup in which Mutesa at that time Kabaka of Buganda was deposed from his position as constitutional president. Both of them were admitted to the UK as Commonwealth immigrants upon undertakings given by Mutesas British friends- Lord Montagu of Beaulieu and Hon. Colin Tennant that they would accept full responsibility for their maintenance but with time, they could not sustain the donations as the contributions soon ran out. So his friends decided to seek audience with Minister of State, Mr. George Thomas on February 28, 1976. In the meeting, Lord Boyd told the minister that Sir Edward Mutesa was suffering great hardship and lacked financial support but felt that there was a moral obligation on Her Majestys Government to give Mutesa financial support even if the treaty relationship that was supposed to effect this was submerged after independence. Mr Thomas asked about the possibility of Mutesa earning his own living and was informed that employment for him had been searched in the army, at an institution dealing with Colonial Records at Oxford University, United Nations (UN) but all was fruitless. Apparently all institutions asked for experience, skill and particular academic qualifications, which Mutesa reportedly did not have. Mr
Re: [Ugnet] Moving story coming: Obote Froze the Kabaka's Account-Monitor 23/5/2005
Mw. Musamize, you will have noticed that this is the usual way Mulindwa acts when he is challenged about his wild allegations, which he normally has no inkling about. He starts yelling about something else that has completely no relevance to the issue at hand ! This is a sign of a liar or someone with low intelligence. He is now like a boxer who continually threatens his opponent with a beating but does nothing until the opponent knocks him out cold. Mulindwa, why don't you just give up - you are out cold. Kasangwawo From: musamize [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Moving story coming: Obote Froze the Kabaka's Account-Monitor 23/5/2005 Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 17:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Mr. Mulindwa: Do not evade the question. You have stated, in print, and elsewhere that Obote sent money to support Kabaka Muteesa II after he tried and failed to kill him in the Lubiri. I asked you provide even a scintilla of evidence to or anyother proof to support your wild claims. You pretended not to notice my request. Now it turns out, that your hero actually did the opposite: he actually froze Muteesa's account. Moreover this is to appear in a UPC-friendly paper. The interesting thing would be to learn what Obote did with Muteesa's money and by what authority. Talk about thieves in high places! Another thing: Why do you have such a hard time with facts and how come you rarely -- if ever -- address questions you are asked directly? e.g. where in my one sentence note do you read any reference to deathrow, etc? Or are you just fascinated by demolishing strawmen that you erect? Now, here are some sources of bwino on the Late Muteesa's finances, which were declassified sometime ago by the British government. See if any of them can, even remotely, lend a picogram of credibility to your wild claims on how Obote used to send Muteesa money during the latter's exile: Financial and other difficulties faced by Sir Edward Mutesa ex-Kabaka of Buganda, 1967 Jan 01-1967 Dec 31, Doc #FCO 31/179 Financial and other difficulties faced by Sir Edward Mutesa ex-Kabaka of Buganda, 1968 Jan 01-1968 Dec 31, Doc #FCO 31/1074 etc, etc ps: might as well finish doing your homework for you: FCO refers to Foreign and Commonwealth Office. You could also wait to be rescued by tomorrow's Monitor. Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Musamize Let us get out of this crap, you want me to post the details I will and you know it. The danger here is that you think I am on the opposite side, yet I am only posting facts. Was Obote the best president for Uganda? May be not. Was I arrested by Obote's government and ended up in exile to today? May be yes. But the point here is to state facts. Facts that we can not change. And when we are at facts, here is another one I just found out about Obote. Apparently Uganda has a standing order on books that all Ugandans sentenced to death in Luzira, can never die until a sitting president has signed a death warrant. So in Uganda as a state, if you take any body to court for any case which results to a death sentence, he is sent to Luzira and waits for death. But Commissioner Ssentamu can not kill any prisoner in Luzira without a Presidential signature . So a sitting president gets a list of names of people on death sentence and he selects who to die and who not to according to advisers. And Luzira as a prison has a list of Death sentenced Ugandans who have been killed to today, and which president signed their sentence. Including the ones who were killed under a signature of president Mutesa 2. It so just happens, that Obote never signed a death sentence of any Ugandan at Luzira. So to put it in perspective, during Obote one and Obote two, no single prisoner on death sentence in Luzira was hanged. Again these are public records that can be accessible by any body out there. I wish one Ugandan has the strength to post here how many Ugandans have been signed off by Museveni's presidency. But hoi we cannot be that critical for 'kasita ffe twebaka' man. It is all crap and a bunch of non critical thinkers. Makes one puke Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: musamize To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Moving story coming: Obote Froze the Kabaka's Account -Monitor 23/5/2005 Mr. Mulindwa: Is this the same Obote that sent money to Muteesa II during the latter's exile in the UK or is the Monitor reporting about someone else? Omar Kezimbira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obote froze the Kabakas account - Monitor 23/5/2005By Esther Nakkazi LONDON Thirty-nine years ago today, the Kabaka of Buganda and President of Uganda, Sir Edward Mutesa was overthrown in a
Re: [Ugnet] Mutesas last days in UK
Mw. Kiggundu Mukasa, that was surely a typo - blame the proof-reader ! Still, after all the effort the lady-journalist made to dig up all that information, I find your remark very patronizing. Kasangwawo From: Kiggundu Mukasa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Mutesas last days in UK Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 15:05:12 +0300 On May 24, 2005, at 2:33 PM, jonah kasangwawo wrote: So his friends decided to seek audience with Minister of State, Mr. George Thomas on February 28, 1976. In the meeting, Lord Boyd told the minister that Sir Edward Mutesa was suffering great hardship and lacked financial support. .. The political ping-pong about Muteesas welfare dragged on until he died destitute and lonely in 1969.. He was living 8 years after he died?? Typical Ugandan Journalism ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/ ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/
Re: [Ugnet] ] Re: News: Critique of Obote's story
Matek, what you have failed to understand is the role of History. We need to acknowledge our History and learn from it, not just to revise it. Now you are calling it MY History, which tells me that you don't accept the factual evidence Musamize is providing. You don't even realise that what is happening today in Uganda has a bearing on what Obote started all those years ago. In actual fact, what you want is just a change of guards, the potential result of which could be a replacement of the two million of our fellow citizens in Northern camps by two million of our people in Southern camps; and the continuation of the Emergency. You are fond of stressing that the people in the South are saying they can now sleep, but you forget that during Obote's times, it was the people of Lango and Acholi who were saying: ffe kasita twebaka otulo. Federalists like myself are saying that enough is enough, what we need is a structural change. We have been under a unitary system for almost 40 years and at no particular point during that time has there been peace in the whole country. It is time for a re-think. I'm pleased MPs from outside Buganda are finally beginning to see the light. Kasangwawo. From: Matek Opoko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net Subject: Re: [Ugnet] ] Re: News: Critique of Obote's story...CORRECTION Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 06:01:40 -0700 (PDT) In Western and Southern Uganda, our people are subject to immense degree of poverty, the level of which has never been seen in Uganda. Even under Amin the people did not experience this degree of suffering. Matek Opoko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Jonah: I am not against you learning your History about Obote., As a matter of fact you can learn all your one sided history about Obote until the cows come home. We have an Emergency right now in Uganda. Close to two million of our fellow citizens are living in squalid condition in the camps of Northern and Eastern Uganda. War have been ragging in Northern Uganda for now 20 years. In Western and Southern Uganda, our people are not subject to immense degree of poverty, the level of which has never been seen in Uganda. Even under Amin the people did not experience this degree of suffering. All this is going on thanx to Yoweri Museveni's twenty year rule which he wants to extend to 30 or is it 40 years. Under the circumstances, many Ugandans really do not have time to think about Obote this Obote that ...ooo Obote Y!! Good Day lady!! jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matek, c'mon man, be real ! Is/was Obote ever for presidential term limits ? Wasn't he himself trying to do the same thing that the incumbent is trying now ? If he had had his way, Obote would be ruling for life. What you call bull crap is the history we need to learn from but which you are intent on suppressing. You UPC people really do tickle me. Kasangwawo From: Matek Opoko Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net Subject: Re: [Ugnet] RE: [FedsNet] Re: News: Critique of Obote's story Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 16:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Musamize: Museveni is busy trying to manipulate the Uganda Constitution so that he may rule for life!!! and instead of dealing with this fact, you are still dwelling on Obote and what Obote did or did not do some 35 years ago. You bull crap fixation with Obote is rather repugnant to say the least! Matek musamize wrote: Mr. Kibuka, Akena Adoko's article is on the web at: www.kituochakatiba.co.ug/archives.htm. This is the article that was quashed by Mr. Davies Sebukima (a.k.a. Steve Lino) -- an act rewarded by detention and accusations of sedition. The Steve Lino letter can be found at www.mail-archive.com/ugandanet@kym.net/msg00297.html. Mr. Abu Mayanja also reacted to the excesses of the 1967Constitution. Mr. Mayanja, too, was rewarded with detention and similar charges. The Chief Magistrate, Mr. Siaed, threw the charges, which were also pressed against Mr. Rajat Neogy as the editor of the Transition magazine, out of court. The judgmen t was published in Transition. Less well known is the fact that the 1967 pigeon-hole constitution was Nkurumah's brainchild. Mr. Nkurumah lent Obote a Senior Parliamentary Legal Draftsman, one C.V. Crabbe, who crafted that document. In those days Uganda was in essence a colony of Ghana. The details are in KWAME NKRUMAHS PRESENCE IN A. M. OBOTES UGANDA: A Study in the Convergence of International and Comparative Politics by Opuku Agyeman, Transition 48 (1975). Ill put this bwino on Fedsnet in a separate post. What befuddles me is why these articles are not at the web site of Kituo cha Katiba, which is part of the Makerere Universitys Faculty of Law, and advertises itself as East African Centre for Constitutional Development. Id hate to think that an institution of higher learning is in the habit of presenting one-sided argument s to its students, and the world
Re: [Ugnet] There are other sufferers in the North
Matek, where have you been ? How many times did I ask Mulindwa to produce the evidence and he failed ? I didn't hear you telling him off for wasting our time with these petty allegations while two million of our fellow citizens in Northern Uganda are suffering ! Kasangwawo From: Matek Opoko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net Subject: Re: [Ugnet] There are other sufferers in the North Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 07:24:23 -0700 (PDT) Musamizi: Instead of denying and dismissing Eddy Mulindwa's assertion that the UPC Government constantly and over a great deal of time remitted funds to Kabaka Edward Mutesa for his maintenance while the Kabaka was in exile in London, a better intellectual approach to challenge Mulindwa's assertion would be to call upon Mulindwa to provide evidence to prove his assertions. Mulindwa would then do some digging so to say, of the public records in the Ministry of Foreign affairs in Kampala or Finance, for that matter...and then bingo.. post his findings on this Uganda net for all to see !!! but no! ..instead you are shooting your mouth dragging in Obote.. I hear Obote living in Zambia..Obote this Obote that Obote Yoo!!! You people simply cannot reason..you can not in simply logical analysis!!! Matek musamize [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Kipenji: I always think and identify as a Muganda before anything else - religion, politics, gender, education, inclusive. So, I do not find it strange, neither do I take offence, nor do do I feel slighted if anyone else does so. IMHO, to do otherwise would be putting the cart before the horse. The hogwash that Let us talk about the 1966 problem with Mengo. Sir Edward Muteesa left Uganda for United Kingdom. Obote as the Uganda president instructed Bank of Uganda to send money to Sir Edward for upkeep. That is why Sir Edward did not end up on a welfare line in United Kingdom. is just that: unadultered Grade Z hogwash and sophistry generated by a singularly contorted mind. We all know that Obote was did not endup in a welfare line while in Tanzania. So, should we conclude that this was due to General Idi Amin's generosity in instructing the Bank of Uganda to send money to Obote for upkeep? From which account, and who was paying? Likewise, we all know that Obote did not endup on welfare in Zambia after being kicked out of power by the Okellos. We also know that Obote has never worked a day in his life in Zampia (and, for that matter, in Tanzania). Why then don't we sing the praises of Okello, and Museveni for similarly instructing the Bank of Uganda to send money for Obote's upkeep courtsey of the pizanti, aka common man? What is good for the goose ... Musamize Owor Kipenji [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are other sufferers in the north With due respect I found Yoni Okwera-Olok's letter: Let the Government prove it does not hate the Acholis very bothering and a true example of the problem we have in our nation today. Mr Okwera must remember to always be a Ugandan before he thinks as an Acholi. Many of his facts are not true and we need to throw away passion on this issue so that we can see through the web of Okwera's lies. Only then can we try to plant nationalism in our nation. Okwera must remember that Uganda has gone through very hard times during the Movement. Ombaci happened in West Nile, Mukura was in eastern Uganda, Kibwetere was in western Uganda. Yes, northern Uganda has had the largest suffering under the Movement. But northern Uganda is not only a land of Acholis, so let us not play a tribal game here. The last time I checked, Uganda had a people called Langis. Can Okwera tell us today that Langis are not in camps? It is quite wrong for us to get a problem in our nation and we tribalise it. The example Okwera-Olok uses of Obote and Buganda is equally false, for Buganda has never enjoyed power in Uganda than under both Obote's governments. Yes, Okwera has a right to hate Obote, but he must as well recognise that the most powerful ministers in Obote's government were actually Baganda. Okwera-Olok must remember the names of powerful Baganda like Eriya Babumba, Apolo Kironde, Luyimbazi Zaake, Kalule Ssetaala, Keefa Ssempangi, Sam Mugwiisa, Bidandi Ssali. Let us talk about Attorney Generals like G. L. Binayiisa or even Nkambo Mugerwa. Governors Bank of Uganda like Mubiru, Kikonyogo, Leo Kibirango. All these were very powerful Baganda during Obote's government. Let us talk about the 1966 problem with Mengo. Sir Edward Muteesa left Uganda for United Kingdom. Obote as the Uganda president instructed Bank of Uganda to send money to Sir Edward for upkeep. That is why Sir Edward did not end up on a welfare line in United Kingdom. Baganda did not organise any means for maintenance of their exiled King. What is interesting is that this money continued flowing into the same account through Amin's era, up to today, because the
Re: [Ugnet] ] Re: News: Critique of Obote's story
Matek, intellectual or not, the fact is that, what we are presenting here are facts about what went on then. In fact, as the subject heading states, this was a reaction to Obote's side of the story which a lot of people found was not telling the truth. So it is not that I have not read both sides of the story. It is only that you were happy as long as we had only Obote's side of the story - as soon as evidence (none of it is from Ibingira) is produced to the contrary, you start saying its not objective. Talk of objectivity ! Kasangwawo From: Matek Opoko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net Subject: Re: [Ugnet] ] Re: News: Critique of Obote's story Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 06:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Jonah: Intellectuals ( if that is what you think you are) rigorously DEMANDS that one exercise a high degree of Objectivity. If you are very subjective in your approach to interpreting Uganda's political history ( as in Interpreting the History through the writings of AMO's enemies' like Ibingrira's) you cease to be an intellectual. You become a demagogue . For us , we have read both sides of the story, like true intellectuals should do; ..from AMO's point of view...and from the Ibingira's point of view. Lokk, the suffering in Luwero then and now in Northern or Eastern Uganda, and future suffering in Uganda ( believe me it is coming) was/is caused by Museveni and Museveni alone. Museveni is the Common Denominator in All this sufferings and future suffering . MK jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matek, what you have failed to understand is the role of History. We need to acknowledge our History and learn from it, not just to revise it. Now you are calling it MY History, which tells me that you don't accept the factual evidence Musamize is providing. You don't even realise that what is happening today in Uganda has a bearing on what Obote started all those years ago. In actual fact, what you want is just a change of guards, the potential result of which could be a replacement of the two million of our fellow citizens in Northern camps by two million of our people in Southern camps; and the continuation of the Emergency. You are fond of stressing that the people in the South are saying they can now sleep, but you forget that during Obote's times, it was the people of Lango and Acholi who were saying: ffe kasita twebaka otulo. Federalists like myself are saying that enough is enough, what we need is a structural change. We have been under a unitary system for almost 40 years and at no particular point during that time has there been peace in the whole country. It is time for a re-think. I'm pleased MPs from outside Buganda are finally beginning to see the light. Kasangwawo. From: Matek Opoko Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net Subject: Re: [Ugnet] ] Re: News: Critique of Obote's story...CORRECTION Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 06:01:40 -0700 (PDT) In Western and Southern Uganda, our people are subject to immense degree of poverty, the level of which has never been seen in Uganda. Even under Amin the people did not experience this degree of suffering. Matek Opoko wrote:Jonah: I am not against you learning your History about Obote., As a matter of fact you can learn all your one sided history about Obote until the cows come home. We have an Emergency right now in Uganda. Close to two million of our fellow citizens are living in squalid condition in the camps of Northern and Eastern Uganda. War have been ragging in Northern Uganda for now 20 years. In Western and Southern Uganda, our people are not subject to immense degree of poverty, the level of which has never been seen in Uganda. Even under Amin the people did not experience this degree of suffering. All this is going on thanx to Yoweri Museveni's twenty year rule which he wants to extend to 30 or is it 40 years. Under the circumstances, many Ugandans really do not have time to think about Obote this Obote that ...ooo Obote Y!! Good Day lady!! jonah kasangwawo wrote: Matek, c'mon man, be real ! Is/was Obote ever for presidential term limits ? Wasn't he himself trying to do the same thing that the incumbent is trying now ? If he had had his way, Obote would be ruling for life. What you call bull crap is the history we need to learn from but which you are intent on suppressing. You UPC people really do tickle me. Kasangwawo From: Matek Opoko Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net Subject: Re: [Ugnet] RE: [FedsNet] Re: News: Critique of Obote's story Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 16:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Musamize: Museveni is busy trying to manipulate the Uganda Constitution so that he may rule for life!!! and instead of dealing with this fact, you are still dwelling on Obote and what Obote did or did not do some 35 years ago. You bull crap fixation with Obote is rather repugnant to say the least! Matek musamize wrote: Mr. Kibuka, Akena
FW: Re: [FedsNet] Re: [Ugnet] ] Re: News: Critique of Obote's story
Matek, here's one opinion from a FedsNetter. Kasangwawo From: James Basudde [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [FedsNet] Re: [Ugnet] ] Re: News: Critique of Obote's story Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 06:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Mr. Kasangwawo, I think the resistance from people such as Matek is due to their belief that, if we had Obote yet again, or people like him, Matek and co. would face less competition [if at all] from the other parts of Uganda. . He knows very well what Obote did to us--it's only the unborn who don't. But as long as Obote's massacres reduced our numbers, disrupted our ways, thus reducing the feared competition in the process, then all was well. It's all about fear turned into hatred, then denial, to soothe the conscience. JB jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matek, what you have failed to understand is the role of History. We need to acknowledge our History and learn from it, not just to revise it. Now you are calling it MY History, which tells me that you don't accept the factual evidence Musamize is providing. You don't even realise that what is happening today in Uganda has a bearing on what Obote started all those years ago. In actual fact, what you want is just a change of guards, the potential result of which could be a replacement of the two million of our fellow citizens in Northern camps by two million of our people in Southern camps; and the continuation of the Emergency. You are fond of stressing that the people in the South are saying they can now sleep, but you forget that during Obote's times, it was the people of Lango and Acholi who were saying: ffe kasita twebaka otulo. Federalists like myself are saying that enough is enough, what we need is a structural change. We have been under a unitary system for almost 40 years and at no particular point during that time has there been peace in the whole country. It is time for a re-think. I'm pleased MPs from outside Buganda are finally beginning to see the light. Kasangwawo. From: Matek Opoko Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net Subject: Re: [Ugnet] ] Re: News: Critique of Obote's story...CORRECTION Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 06:01:40 -0700 (PDT) In Western and Southern Uganda, our people are subject to immense degree of poverty, the level of which has never been seen in Uganda. Even under Amin the people did not experience this degree of suffering. Matek Opoko wrote:Jonah: I am not against you learning your History about Obote., As a matter of fact you can learn all your one sided history about Obote until the cows come home. We have an Emergency right now in Uganda. Close to two million of our fellow citizens are living in squalid condition in the camps of Northern and Eastern Uganda. War have been ragging in Northern Uganda for now 20 years. In Western and Southern Uganda, our people are not subject to immense degree of poverty, the level of which has never been seen in Uganda. Even under Amin the people did not experience this degree of suffering. All this is going on thanx to Yoweri Museveni's twenty year rule which he wants to extend to 30 or is it 40 years. Under the circumstances, many Ugandans really do not have time to think about Obote this Obote that ...ooo Obote Y!! Good Day lady!! jonah kasangwawo wrote: Matek, c'mon man, be real ! Is/was Obote ever for presidential term limits ? Wasn't he himself trying to do the same thing that the incumbent is trying now ? If he had had his way, Obote would be ruling for life. What you call bull crap is the history we need to learn from but which you are intent on suppressing. You UPC people really do tickle me. Kasangwawo From: Matek Opoko Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net Subject: Re: [Ugnet] RE: [FedsNet] Re: News: Critique of Obote's story Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 16:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Musamize: Museveni is busy trying to manipulate the Uganda Constitution so that he may rule for life!!! and instead of dealing with this fact, you are still dwelling on Obote and what Obote did or did not do some 35 years ago. You bull crap fixation with Obote is rather repugnant to say the least! Matek musamize wrote: Mr. Kibuka, Akena Adoko's article is on the web at: www.kituochakatiba.co.ug/archives.htm. This is the article that was quashed by Mr. Davies Sebukima (a.k.a. Steve Lino) -- an act rewarded by detention and accusations of sedition. The Steve Lino letter can be found at www.mail-archive.com/ugandanet@kym.net/msg00297.html. Mr. Abu Mayanja also reacted to the excesses of the 1967Constitution. Mr. Mayanja, too, was rewarded with detention and similar charges. The Chief Magistrate, Mr. Siaed, threw the charges, which were also pressed against Mr. Rajat Neogy as the editor of the Transition magazine, out of court. The judgmen t was published in Transition. Less well known is the fact that the 1967 pigeon-hole
Re: [Ugnet] RE: [FedsNet] Re: News: Critique of Obote's story
Matek, c'mon man, be real ! Is/was Obote ever for presidential term limits ? Wasn't he himself trying to do the same thing that the incumbent is trying now ? If he had had his way, Obote would be ruling for life. What you call bull crap is the history we need to learn from but which you are intent on suppressing. You UPC people really do tickle me. Kasangwawo From: Matek Opoko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net Subject: Re: [Ugnet] RE: [FedsNet] Re: News: Critique of Obote's story Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 16:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Musamize: Museveni is busy trying to manipulate the Uganda Constitution so that he may rule for life!!! and instead of dealing with this fact, you are still dwelling on Obote and what Obote did or did not do some 35 years ago. You bull crap fixation with Obote is rather repugnant to say the least! Matek musamize [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Kibuka, Akena Adoko's article is on the web at: www.kituochakatiba.co.ug/archives.htm. This is the article that was quashed by Mr. Davies Sebukima (a.k.a. Steve Lino) -- an act rewarded by detention and accusations of sedition. The Steve Lino letter can be found at www.mail-archive.com/ugandanet@kym.net/msg00297.html. Mr. Abu Mayanja also reacted to the excesses of the 1967Constitution. Mr. Mayanja, too, was rewarded with detention and similar charges. The Chief Magistrate, Mr. Siaed, threw the charges, which were also pressed against Mr. Rajat Neogy as the editor of the Transition magazine, out of court. The judgment was published in Transition. Less well known is the fact that the 1967 pigeon-hole constitution was Nkurumah's brainchild. Mr. Nkurumah lent Obote a Senior Parliamentary Legal Draftsman, one C.V. Crabbe, who crafted that document. In those days Uganda was in essence a colony of Ghana. The details are in KWAME NKRUMAHS PRESENCE IN A. M. OBOTES UGANDA: A Study in the Convergence of International and Comparative Politics by Opuku Agyeman, Transition 48 (1975). Ill put this bwino on Fedsnet in a separate post. What befuddles me is why these articles are not at the web site of Kituo cha Katiba, which is part of the Makerere Universitys Faculty of Law, and advertises itself as East African Centre for Constitutional Development. Id hate to think that an institution of higher learning is in the habit of presenting one-sided arguments to its students, and the world, laying itself open to charges of attempting to airbrush history. M. Kibuka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sseruganda Kasangwawo, Thanks a million times; this to me exerts what I said somewhere else that there is a thin line that separates this constitution and that of 1995. I hope that a learned friend will endeavour to illustrate this thin line. Nonetheless, Akena Adoko responded to the Haji thus, in transition 33: The Uganda Revolution which took place early last year made it clear that if Uganda was to remain a democracy then it was absolutely necessary to reorganize that democracy in such a way that the characteristic benefits which generally emanate from democratic governments were not interfered with, and in such a way that certain evils such as hereditary monarchy, excessive crime, separatist tendencies, and weakness of the Central Government were eradicated, or, as far as possible, neutralized. And here come some more: The critics of the presidential powers tend to overlook two things. First, that there is also danger in failing to concentrate sufficient powers to carry out governmental functions in the hands of the executive. I would personally hate to see, once more, the progress of the country hampered by struggles for power as nearly happened last year. If advanced countries like the U.S.A. and Britain have to take precautions against this kind of situation why not countries like Uganda and other African states whose governments, because of the backwardness of the countries, have more extensive functions? Secondly the critics tend to overlook the fact that the powers vested in the President are those which enable him to control the business of government, and not necessarily to execute it himself. So overwhelming is government business that no single person can do it himself or even consent to try do so. This is why we have a ca binet and ministers in charge of various ministries, the Public Service Commission, Uganda Electricity Board, and Uganda Development Corporation etc., to help carry out certain governmental functions. In spite of this fact, that the executive powers are delegated and distributed, the vesting of such powers in the hands of one man ensures that somebody, and not an anonymous mass, must be held responsible by and directly accountable to the people of the country for the way the government powers are used. I'm currently looking for means to publish this stuff for the wider public, so one see for him/her self how confused certain minds are. Have a good day. Cheers,
[Ugnet] RE: [FedsNet] Re: News: Critique of Obote's story
Mw. Kibuka, what can I say ? The Hajji dissected the issue with such surgical precision that its hard to add on any comments. I can only stress that with these proposals, the seeds of dictatorship in Ugandan politics were sown. Obote gave himself control over everything - the executive, the legislature, the judicature, the administration, the armed forces, the police, et cetera, et cetera. Here's again the list of some of the powers he took upon himself: - power to nominate up to one third of the National Assembly ! - power to dissolve Parliament at any time and without giving any reason - power to promulgate ordinances - power to detain people without trial - power to declare states of emergency without approval of the National Assembly, and during which he could also make regulations overriding laws made by Parliament - power to appoint and dismiss all public officers - power to interfere with the work of the police, including giving orders to the Inspector General of Police - power to command the armed forces and give them operational directives - provisions to make it impossible to vote him out of office - he took it upon himself to destroy hundreds of years of History by abolishing kingdoms without asking the people in those kingdoms whether they wanted to get rid of their institutions or not - he disempowered the Court of Appeal - he destroyed the federal system by instituting a one-size-fits-all system of local government with no legislative or executive powers, in other words, a coerced unity with no consideration for the diverse particularities of the component regions. When Obote talks about 'one parliament' he means a parliament without a single opposition MP. With all this background in public domain, some people still ask what was undemocratic about the 1967 constitution ! With time, I shall provide more bwiino about the atmosphere during Obote's regime. Kasangwawo. From: M. Kibuka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FedsNet] Re: News: Critique of Obote's story Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 15:14:12 - Bwana Kasangwawo, I have re-read the document and come to the following conclusion: 1. There is a very thin difference indeed between the 1967 and the 1995 Constitions, as power is concntrated in the hands of one person, the person of the president. 2. Bwana Museveni took off where Bwana Obote stopped, but especially when it comes to such nonsense as Uganda is backward ... 3. It is probable that FDC takes off (if it manages to take on) where NRM-O shall stop. This is because all these entities attended the same political school of thought. And now, I'm most curious about your comments. Cheers, M. Kibuka == Federo is the only way forward http://www.federo.com --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most certainly, Mw. Kibuka. It looks like a gem. I'll study it carefully and hopefully comment. _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/
Re: [Ugnet] There are other sufferers in the North
Musamize, I am with you. I get tired of these pseudo-nationalists dictating to us how we have to think as Ugandans first before we think as Acholi or Banyankole or Baganda, et cetera. Its all very unnatural and I mistrust people who start with that line. If they want to think widely then why don't they start as Africans or as citizens of the world or whatever. But even more disturbing is the continued publication by the Monitor of baseless allegations from this particular individual while they ignore factual 'bwiino' presented by others. What could be the motive ? BTW, did you see that article about Cornelius Kodet, a Karimojong, who is naming his newly-built hotel Edward Muteesa II. The reason he gave for this was because Ssekabaka Muteesa II gave all his presidential salary for payment of school fees and construction of hospitals in Karamoja. That was the sort of man Muteesa II was. Kasangwawo From: musamize [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net Subject: Re: [Ugnet] There are other sufferers in the North Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 13:45:54 -0700 (PDT) Mr. Kipenji: I always think and identify as a Muganda before anything else - religion, politics, gender, education, inclusive. So, I do not find it strange, neither do I take offence, nor do do I feel slighted if anyone else does so. IMHO, to do otherwise would be putting the cart before the horse. The hogwash that Let us talk about the 1966 problem with Mengo. Sir Edward Muteesa left Uganda for United Kingdom. Obote as the Uganda president instructed Bank of Uganda to send money to Sir Edward for upkeep. That is why Sir Edward did not end up on a welfare line in United Kingdom. is just that: unadultered Grade Z hogwash and sophistry generated by a singularly contorted mind. We all know that Obote was did not endup in a welfare line while in Tanzania. So, should we conclude that this was due to General Idi Amin's generosity in instructing the Bank of Uganda to send money to Obote for upkeep? From which account, and who was paying? Likewise, we all know that Obote did not endup on welfare in Zambia after being kicked out of power by the Okellos. We also know that Obote has never worked a day in his life in Zampia (and, for that matter, in Tanzania). Why then don't we sing the praises of Okello, and Museveni for similarly instructing the Bank of Uganda to send money for Obote's upkeep courtsey of the pizanti, aka common man? What is good for the goose ... Musamize Owor Kipenji [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are other sufferers in the north With due respect I found Yoni Okwera-Olok's letter: Let the Government prove it does not hate the Acholis very bothering and a true example of the problem we have in our nation today. Mr Okwera must remember to always be a Ugandan before he thinks as an Acholi. Many of his facts are not true and we need to throw away passion on this issue so that we can see through the web of Okwera's lies. Only then can we try to plant nationalism in our nation. Okwera must remember that Uganda has gone through very hard times during the Movement. Ombaci happened in West Nile, Mukura was in eastern Uganda, Kibwetere was in western Uganda. Yes, northern Uganda has had the largest suffering under the Movement. But northern Uganda is not only a land of Acholis, so let us not play a tribal game here. The last time I checked, Uganda had a people called Langis. Can Okwera tell us today that Langis are not in camps? It is quite wrong for us to get a problem in our nation and we tribalise it. The example Okwera-Olok uses of Obote and Buganda is equally false, for Buganda has never enjoyed power in Uganda than under both Obote's governments. Yes, Okwera has a right to hate Obote, but he must as well recognise that the most powerful ministers in Obote's government were actually Baganda. Okwera-Olok must remember the names of powerful Baganda like Eriya Babumba, Apolo Kironde, Luyimbazi Zaake, Kalule Ssetaala, Keefa Ssempangi, Sam Mugwiisa, Bidandi Ssali. Let us talk about Attorney Generals like G. L. Binayiisa or even Nkambo Mugerwa. Governors Bank of Uganda like Mubiru, Kikonyogo, Leo Kibirango. All these were very powerful Baganda during Obote's government. Let us talk about the 1966 problem with Mengo. Sir Edward Muteesa left Uganda for United Kingdom. Obote as the Uganda president instructed Bank of Uganda to send money to Sir Edward for upkeep. That is why Sir Edward did not end up on a welfare line in United Kingdom. Baganda did not organise any means for maintenance of their exiled King. What is interesting is that this money continued flowing into the same account through Amin's era, up to today, because the instructions are still on Uganda papers. When Obote came back to Uganda, as a President and a minister of finance, he did not cancel those instructions. We must be very careful when we make false public statements to push our agenda.
[Ugnet] Re: [FedsNet] News: Critique of Obote's story
rook, lately you seem to be developing a habit of warning readers before they read certain articles; first it was Onyango Obbo, now it is Peter Mayiga. G. Obiny has also followed suit and is asking who Mayiga was in 1958. This reminded me of someone who, on another forum, declared that Kasangwawo was not yet born when all this was going on and therefore shouldn't be commenting on these issues. This sort of warped thinking would render the study of History redundant, since one has to have been there personally in order to have the right to comment on developments at a particular point in time. That said, since rook is giving us some 'small background information', I thought I might just as well also give a little background information of my own, for readers of Obote's series. For the moment, I won't bother you with Obote II (1981-85), since testimonies of torture victims during that time speak volumes (see 'Obote series: What others say' in The Monitor). For most of Obote I (1962-71), arbitrary arrests and detention without charge were the order of the day. These were carried out under the indefinite Emergency Regulations for Buganda which gave the government power to hold people without trial or sentence and which were increasingly used by Obote whenever he felt that his hold onto power was threatened. A few examples will suffice: - all the staff of 'Sekanyolya', a Luganda newspaper, were arrested in May 1966 and held without charge or trial; - Semakula Mulumba was detained in October 1970 because of two articles he wrote in 'Munno'. The first article criticized the narrow-mindedness of a one-party system and this was seen by Obote as an attack on his one-party state aims. The second one extolled the value of tribal traditions which Obote viewed as an attack on his policy to dissolve the Buganda Kingdom. So much for freedom of press under Obote ! - in October 1970, Obote ordered the arrest of Sheikh Ali Kulumba (later on Speaker of Lukiiko) and Prince Badru Kakungulu (yes, the same one Obote is now claiming to have been having lunch with while his troops bombarded Kabaka's palace), both Moslem leaders of the well-established Uganda Muslim Community (UMC). Since 1965, Obote had been sponsoring another organization, the National Association for Advancement of Moslems (NAAM), in order to keep the influential UMC in check. I have to point out that NAAM did not have any mosques of their own and depended on the pity of some Moslem leaders to do their work. Sheikh Kulumba and Prince Kakungulu stood up to NAAM interference in the mosques. Things escalated when General Idi Amin (then Chief of Staff and Head of the Air Force) started to move away from NAAM and towards UMC. He was accepted by the UMC and he started appearing at their ceremonies. Obote viewed this as a threat to his government and consequently placed Amin under house arrest as well as stripping him of some of his powers. Obote also detained Kulumba and Kakungulu without charge or trial; - other political prisoners detained without charge or trial included Grace Ibingira, Amos Sempa, Benedicto Kiwanuka, P.K.Mpungu, George Magezi, Dr. Christopher Kaggwa, Dr. Christopher Ndugwa, E. Kamanyi, Haji Abu Mayanja, Sir Wilberforce Nadiope, Douglas Kibuka-Musoke who worked for EA Railways, I. Senkoma - Kabaka's bodyguard, Henry Lwanga - accused of sedition, Charles Serukera - Ssaza Chief, Michael Matovu - Chief, et cetera, et cetera. - Obote didn't stop there, he even turned on his own party members. Such one was a certain George M. Masaba, an active left-wing member of UPC and also chairman of the Vietnam Solidarity Committee (a group against American involvement in Vietnam). He was detained because he was seen to be idealistic and it was feared he might expose the corruption within Obote's government. According to the Uganda Argus of 27th November 1970, Masaba was released with 35 other political prisoners on 26th November 1970. - after Obote's overthrow in January 1971, a list of 55 released political prisoners who had been detained without trial,was published in the local press. This included the 5 former cabinet ministers who had been arrested in 1966. More were released later. This is the sort of background information readers need to keep in mind when reading the fables in Obote's series. If he was in power now, the Rwanyarares and Cecilia Ogwals would be languishing in Luzira for holding dissenting views. Obiny says that he is proud Obote has been around. Well, some of us whose relatives and friends were at the receiving end are not amused that he was ever around. Kasangwawo. rook 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geoffrey O, Peter Mayiga is a young man of about 40 years or even younger. He completed his law school in 1986/7. He is also a rapid monarchist.(Its no accident that he is a minister there) I remember having verbal fights with him at law school almost every other day and Peter
[Ugnet] and the bickering goes on
Rwanyarare writes to Obote, insists on banning CSC By F. Ahimbisibwe FORMER Uganda peoples Congress presidential Policy Commission (PPC) chairman Dr. James rwanyarare and 40 other top members have again written to exiled former President Dr. Obote demanding that the constitutional Steering commission (CSC) be disbanded. The April 30 letter also demanded that Obote responds to the concerns raised or else face opposition from party members. This could deepen the imminent split in the party if Obote upholds his decision. Rwanyarare yesterday confirmed sending the letter. We have written to him again and this time we want him to respond to the issues which were raised in an earlier communication. We are asking him to rescind his decision. We want him to allow the established party organs to take over the running of the party. If he does not do it, some members will have to strongly oppose him, he said. He said the CSC, chaired by Hajji Badru Wegulo, had failed to discharge the duties after almost two months in office. Obote recently reshuffled party leadership, relegating Rwanyarare to an advisor. A source said the letter demands that Obote restores the status quo and allow the Central Executive Committee to take over the management of the party. The letter followed an earlier letter Rwanyarare sent on April 8. Published on: Thursday, 5th May, 2005 _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/
Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW!
And rightly so ! You have failed to produce any evidence and the only alternative you had was to give up. From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW! Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:12:03 -0400 That does it I give up. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: Simon Nume To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW! Absolute nonsense. Obote sold Muteesa House in London and ate the money. And people like Obote cannot waste money on educating their kids. Look at his sons ! Try another one Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon Nume No what I want you to state here and now, is very simple. When Muteesa fled Uganda did Obote as a current president instruct bank of Uganda to maintain Muteesa by sending him money to London, are these Obote's instructions still on Uganda books? Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: Simon Nume To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW! Mulindwa You should at least learn to spell correctly the swear words you use. Interestingly I KNOW ( and probably Kasangwawo) where he got the money from to go to private school and Cambridge after both his parents were dead. Just because YOU dont know is not my problem. Nume Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon Nume Where did Mutebi get that money from. Address the issues instead of sending firkin snipes. Yes he had the money but what we are discussing here is where was it coming from? Did you Simon Nume or Kasangwawo ever send money to Mutebi for his studies? How dare you claim how he had the money to study in Cambridge but you can not acknowledge the source? That is where the failure of Buganda is. And I swear we will live to death but every single leader will be bad to Buganda for we as a tribe are just too fucked up. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: Simon Nume To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW! Jonah Has Mulindwa ever met anyone privately educated in the UK ? Someone should tell him that ANYONE who can afford to go to a private school and on to Cambridge has to have enough money and connections NOT to be a pipe fitter. Nume jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see that you intentionally fail to mention that Kabaka Mutebi studied law at Cambridge and that he wrote for reknowned publications such as 'The economist' ! You don't sound like you've seen the inside of a lecture room, so you might not know this. But students do all sorts of jobs during their holidays. For example Prince William of England has worked on construction in S. America and so has his brother Harry in S. Africa. I don't see you calling them builders. Ssabasajja did not go to UK to become a pipe fitter. I'm challenging you to produce the evidence that he did. So many times you have failed to provide proof after making such wild allegations. Kasangwawo From: Edward Mulindwa Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW! Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:47:27 -0400 MO Ssabasajja is a well qualified pipe fitter, he did the course in UK. Buganda's politics is so silly that it runs under the blanket of secrecy that many of these facts are not mentioned any where, and the Kasangwawo's only preach Obote is bad, and who ever does not agree with Buganda stand as a Rwandese, but facts always remain facts. Mutebi is a pipe fitter and I challenge any one to tell other
Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW!
Matek, I acknowledge your repeated effort to support Mulindwa by referring me to one of those British News Magazines, but this is off the point. Mulindwa claimed that Ssabasajja went to school in the UK to become a pipe fitter. He challenged anyone to tell other wise and threatened that he will post where he qualified. Now, I have been challenging him to produce the evidence for over a week and nothing is forthcoming. I can only deduce that nothing exists. I'm sure it will not have escaped your watchful eyes that at every opportunity he gets, he brings up anything anti-Kabaka or anti-Buganda, even when there's no evidence to substantiate his allegations. So it was in this case. I even took the trouble to point out to him that Ssabasajja had studied law at Cambridge (after attending a private school in Sussex) and had written for renowned publications - but Mulindwa didn't want to know. I also tried to enlighten him about student life by giving him examples of Prince William and Harry, but he wanted to remain ignorant. This only proves that he did it in bad faith. Now you join the fray by making it seem as if I started it all, instead of telling your friend to shut it if he can't produce the evidence he promised ! No sir, I'm not going to swing to the US Library of Congress to do the research for him. Kasangwawo From: Matek Opoko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW! Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 06:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Jonah: I can see you are on Em's neck. The fact of the matter is that there is a small biographical article about Ssebasajja Magulu Nyondo the king of Buganda in one of those British News Magazines. The Writer of the siad article , points out that Magulu Nyondo was once a pipe fitter. Now there is nothing wrong with being pipe fitter. In fact, to a certain extent , show the Humility which Ssebasaga had to go through..and probably helps him relate to his subjects. Anyhow, swing to the US Library of Congress..and dig the infor for your self. Peace! Matek jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And rightly so ! You have failed to produce any evidence and the only alternative you had was to give up. From: Edward Mulindwa Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW! Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:12:03 -0400 That does it I give up. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: Simon Nume To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW! Absolute nonsense. Obote sold Muteesa House in London and ate the money. And people like Obote cannot waste money on educating their kids. Look at his sons ! Try another one Edward Mulindwa wrote: Simon Nume No what I want you to state here and now, is very simple. When Muteesa fled Uganda did Obote as a current president instruct bank of Uganda to maintain Muteesa by sending him money to London, are these Obote's instructions still on Uganda books? Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: Simon Nume To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW! Mulindwa You should at least learn to spell correctly the swear words you use. Interestingly I KNOW ( and probably Kasangwawo) where he got the money from to go to private school and Cambridge after both his parents were dead. Just because YOU dont know is not my problem. Nume Edward Mulindwa wrote: Simon Nume Where did Mutebi get that money from. Address the issues instead of sending firkin snipes. Yes he had the money but what we are discussing here is where was it coming from? Did you Simon Nume or Kasangwawo ever send money to Mutebi for his studies? How dare you claim how he had the money to study in Cambridge but you can not acknowledge the source? That is where the failure of Buganda is. And I swear we will live to death but every single leader will be bad to Buganda for we as a tribe are just too fucked up. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: Simon Nume To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW! Jonah Has Mulindwa ever met anyone privately educated in the UK
Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW!
For the last time, WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW! Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 21:25:25 -0400 Kasangwawo We know that family so do not make a full of your self. It is even interesting that in all your innuendos, you have never tried to financially support this kingdom you declare to love. We need as Baganda to learn a lesson from that, we are disorganized, we are much talkers than doers, and we do not recognize people doing good things for us. Look here I took the time and studied Uganda government under Obote one and I hope people out there study it, do you know for example, that Buganda has never got as many power full ministers as under Obote one? And as soon as Obote left power we were turned into condoms which you use and throw away. Kasangwawo take the time to read and study Uganda/Buganda relationship under Obote, for it will help you from arguing from an ignorant point. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW! Mulindwa, I asked you for the evidence. Where is it ? Stop the nonsense and provide the evidence. Kabaka Mutebi's family had money even before Obote learned to wear clothes. Kasangwawo Edward Mulindwa Tue, 26 Apr 2005 17:26:48 -0700 Simon Nume Where did Mutebi get that money from. Address the issues instead of sending firkin snipes. Yes he had the money but what we are discussing here is where was it coming from? Did you Simon Nume or Kasangwawo ever send money to Mutebi for his studies? How dare you claim how he had the money to study in Cambridge but you can not acknowledge the source? That is where the failure of Buganda is. And I swear we will live to death but every single leader will be bad to Buganda for we as a tribe are just too fucked up. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie From: Simon Nume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW! Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 07:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Jonah Has Mulindwa ever met anyone privately educated in the UK ? Someone should tell him that ANYONE who can afford to go to a private school and on to Cambridge has to have enough money and connections NOT to be a pipe fitter. Nume jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see that you intentionally fail to mention that Kabaka Mutebi studied law at Cambridge and that he wrote for reknowned publications such as 'The economist' ! You don't sound like you've seen the inside of a lecture room, so you might not know this. But students do all sorts of jobs during their holidays. For example Prince William of England has worked on construction in S. America and so has his brother Harry in S. Africa. I don't see you calling them builders. Ssabasajja did not go to UK to become a pipe fitter. I'm challenging you to produce the evidence that he did. So many times you have failed to provide proof after making such wild allegations. Kasangwawo From: Edward Mulindwa Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW! Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:47:27 -0400 MO Ssabasajja is a well qualified pipe fitter, he did the course in UK. Buganda's politics is so silly that it runs under the blanket of secrecy that many of these facts are not mentioned any where, and the Kasangwawo's only preach Obote is bad, and who ever does not agree with Buganda stand as a Rwandese, but facts always remain facts. Mutebi is a pipe fitter and I challenge any one to tell other wise, and I will post where he qualified. If I post it I know it is true and verifiable. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: Matek Opoko To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 8:19 PM Subject: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW! revoke that order from the bank of Uganda books. Obote left power the second time and the family remained taking the money from Uganda government. It is that same money, why people like Kabaka Mutebi managed to go to school in UK and become pipe fitters. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired
Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW!
Mulindwa, I asked you for the evidence. Where is it ? Stop the nonsense and provide the evidence. Kabaka Mutebi's family had money even before Obote learned to wear clothes. Kasangwawo Edward Mulindwa Tue, 26 Apr 2005 17:26:48 -0700 Simon Nume Where did Mutebi get that money from. Address the issues instead of sending firkin snipes. Yes he had the money but what we are discussing here is where was it coming from? Did you Simon Nume or Kasangwawo ever send money to Mutebi for his studies? How dare you claim how he had the money to study in Cambridge but you can not acknowledge the source? That is where the failure of Buganda is. And I swear we will live to death but every single leader will be bad to Buganda for we as a tribe are just too fucked up. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie From: Simon Nume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW! Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 07:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Jonah Has Mulindwa ever met anyone privately educated in the UK ? Someone should tell him that ANYONE who can afford to go to a private school and on to Cambridge has to have enough money and connections NOT to be a pipe fitter. Nume jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see that you intentionally fail to mention that Kabaka Mutebi studied law at Cambridge and that he wrote for reknowned publications such as 'The economist' ! You don't sound like you've seen the inside of a lecture room, so you might not know this. But students do all sorts of jobs during their holidays. For example Prince William of England has worked on construction in S. America and so has his brother Harry in S. Africa. I don't see you calling them builders. Ssabasajja did not go to UK to become a pipe fitter. I'm challenging you to produce the evidence that he did. So many times you have failed to provide proof after making such wild allegations. Kasangwawo From: Edward Mulindwa Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW! Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:47:27 -0400 MO Ssabasajja is a well qualified pipe fitter, he did the course in UK. Buganda's politics is so silly that it runs under the blanket of secrecy that many of these facts are not mentioned any where, and the Kasangwawo's only preach Obote is bad, and who ever does not agree with Buganda stand as a Rwandese, but facts always remain facts. Mutebi is a pipe fitter and I challenge any one to tell other wise, and I will post where he qualified. If I post it I know it is true and verifiable. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: Matek Opoko To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 8:19 PM Subject: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW! revoke that order from the bank of Uganda books. Obote left power the second time and the family remained taking the money from Uganda government. It is that same money, why people like Kabaka Mutebi managed to go to school in UK and become pipe fitters. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go
Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW!
Onegi, are you one, I mean, a pipe fitter ? Kasangwawo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW! Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 15:44:34 GMT What is wrong with being a pipe fitter? onegi Please note: message attached Jonah Has Mulindwa ever met anyone privately educated in the UK ? Someone should tell him that ANYONE who can afford to go to a private school and on to Cambridge has to have enough money and connections NOT to be a pipe fitter. Nume jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see that you intentionally fail to mention that Kabaka Mutebi studied law at Cambridge and that he wrote for reknowned publications such as 'The economist' ! You don't sound like you've seen the inside of a lecture room, so you might not know this. But students do all sorts of jobs during their holidays. For example Prince William of England has worked on construction in S. America and so has his brother Harry in S. Africa. I don't see you calling them builders. Ssabasajja did not go to UK to become a pipe fitter. I'm challenging you to produce the evidence that he did. So many times you have failed to provide proof after making such wild allegations. Kasangwawo From: Edward Mulindwa Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW! Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:47:27 -0400 MO Ssabasajja is a well qualified pipe fitter, he did the course in UK. Buganda's politics is so silly that it runs under the blanket of secrecy that many of these facts are not mentioned any where, and the Kasangwawo's only preach Obote is bad, and who ever does not agree with Buganda stand as a Rwandese, but facts always remain facts. Mutebi is a pipe fitter and I challenge any one to tell other wise, and I will post where he qualified. If I post it I know it is true and verifiable. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: Matek Opoko To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 8:19 PM Subject: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW! revoke that order from the bank of Uganda books. Obote left power the second time and the family remained taking the money from Uganda government. It is that same money, why people like Kabaka Mutebi managed to go to school in UK and become pipe fitters. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/
RE: [Ugnet] MUTEESA DIED OF ALCOHOL POISON
what happens if you have money and home sick, drinking becomes a simplest solution. If you talk to people in UK today who knew Freddie, he was a party animal. What the Kasangwawo's fail to mention, is a simple fact that ever since Mutesa left Uganda, Baganda failed to get organized and to maintain him financially. And this is the same problem we have in Buganda today, Kasangwawo will lambaste me all his life but he will never come into a discussion groups like this one and challenge all of us as Baganda to create a fund to maintain our King. We are just not organized. We talk much we attack each other but we have no action. Few days ago NRM promised to give couple of billion shillings to Mutebi to run Mengo. How much has Kasangwawo solicited so far? The best Baganda did was to organize Mutebi's visit to Sweden and end up in The States. We who are in Canada booked the flights and hotels, the next thing we heard was that the Baganda, not Obote but the Baganda in Sweden had fought in them selves, Mutebi left Sweden and ran to UK for his safety. So a critical thinker wonders, what will happen to this kingdom if Museveni stops to finance it? Is this Kingdom going to survive for Kasangwawo's mudomo spews un-corroborated facts? No bottom line it needs money and yesterday. That is why when I screen through all past facts, as Baganda we have failed to maintain that cohesiveness, and to see that our kingdom and its leaders are taken care of. Obote went out of his way to see that Muteesa and the family are taken care of and he made sure it is on Uganda books. May be Ugandans should have taken care of Obote as well when he left power? But no Obote has lived all these years on the good will of good Ugandans who know what good he did for Uganda as a man. So you wonder, how can Obote get Ugandans who can take care of him on their meager incomes, but a Buganda King fails to be looked after? And I can swear to you today that if Mutebi has to ever go to exile, the only money he will get is the same money Obote instructed to be paid by Uganda as a state. That is why when one states that Obote hates Baganda, you know that some people just do not know the man or any thing about him. And the best defense they have is that Mulindwa is a UPC member, but may be these are facts? UPC member no UPC member Facts that the Kasangwawo's refuse to make public, and if Baganda fill so bad about Obote let them refuse the Kingdom to take those monies, let them get organized and refuse out side financing? But when you take the only financing donated to you and you call the provider a bad man, it tells how inadequate we are. For soon we are lambasting Museveni, although he is the sole funder of the kingdom. Kasangwawo make the facts about Obote and Buganda public for the facts are on the paper. Only for the looking. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Muteesa II Life Death in Brief Mulindwa, did you read the whole paragraph or you just read the first four words and, as usual, decided you knew it all ? 'Critical thinker' he calls himself ! Kasangwawo From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Muteesa II Life Death in Brief Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:14:34 -0400 That is the same thing I have been saying for ages in these forum but my fellow Kasangwaawo decide to feed people with Good lies. It is very sad how we decide to just believe what we want to be good and in process forget the truth. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: musamize To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 4:56 PM Subject: [Ugnet] Muteesa II Life Death in Brief Mutesa II From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutesa_II) Mutesa II, the first President of Uganda. Edward Mutesa II (November 19, 1924 - November 21, 1969) was king of the Buganda region and President of Uganda from 1963 to 1966. His full name was Sir Edward Frederick William David Walugembe Mutebi Luwangula Mutesa but was often nicknamed King Freddie by his supporters. As king he was also leader of the Ganda tribe which dominated Buganda. Mutesa became king in 1939 upon the death of his father, King Daudi Cwa II. At the time Buganda was part of the British protectorate of Uganda. He continued his father's practices of reforming the largely self-governing kingdom into a constitutional monarchy /A system of government
Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW!
I see that you intentionally fail to mention that Kabaka Mutebi studied law at Cambridge and that he wrote for reknowned publications such as 'The economist' ! You don't sound like you've seen the inside of a lecture room, so you might not know this. But students do all sorts of jobs during their holidays. For example Prince William of England has worked on construction in S. America and so has his brother Harry in S. Africa. I don't see you calling them builders. Ssabasajja did not go to UK to become a pipe fitter. I'm challenging you to produce the evidence that he did. So many times you have failed to provide proof after making such wild allegations. Kasangwawo From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW! Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:47:27 -0400 MO Ssabasajja is a well qualified pipe fitter, he did the course in UK. Buganda's politics is so silly that it runs under the blanket of secrecy that many of these facts are not mentioned any where, and the Kasangwawo's only preach Obote is bad, and who ever does not agree with Buganda stand as a Rwandese, but facts always remain facts. Mutebi is a pipe fitter and I challenge any one to tell other wise, and I will post where he qualified. If I post it I know it is true and verifiable. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: Matek Opoko To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 8:19 PM Subject: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW! revoke that order from the bank of Uganda books. Obote left power the second time and the family remained taking the money from Uganda government. It is that same money, why people like Kabaka Mutebi managed to go to school in UK and become pipe fitters. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/
Re: [Ugnet] Muteesa II Life Death in Brief
Mulindwa, did you read the whole paragraph or you just read the first four words and, as usual, decided you knew it all ? 'Critical thinker' he calls himself ! Kasangwawo From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Muteesa II Life Death in Brief Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:14:34 -0400 That is the same thing I have been saying for ages in these forum but my fellow Kasangwaawo decide to feed people with Good lies. It is very sad how we decide to just believe what we want to be good and in process forget the truth. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: musamize To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 4:56 PM Subject: [Ugnet] Muteesa II Life Death in Brief Mutesa II From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutesa_II) Mutesa II, the first President of Uganda. Edward Mutesa II (November 19, 1924 - November 21, 1969) was king of the Buganda region and President of Uganda from 1963 to 1966. His full name was Sir Edward Frederick William David Walugembe Mutebi Luwangula Mutesa but was often nicknamed King Freddie by his supporters. As king he was also leader of the Ganda tribe which dominated Buganda. Mutesa became king in 1939 upon the death of his father, King Daudi Cwa II. At the time Buganda was part of the British protectorate of Uganda. He continued his father's practices of reforming the largely self-governing kingdom into a constitutional monarchy /A system of government. When discussions began among British officials of making Uganda into an independent country, King Freddie lobbied them in an attempt to secure independence for Buganda as a country sovereign from Uganda. The efforts were both ineffective and unpopular, however, and he was briefly deposed and exiled. Mutesa returned to Uganda and his throne in 1955. In 1962 Uganda became independent from Britain with Milton Obote as Prime Minister and Walter Fleming Coutts as Governor General. In 1963 Obote abolished Uganda's status as a Commonwealth realm and replaced the post of Governor General with a figurehead Presidency. A largely rigged election saw Mutesa get elected as Uganda's first President, a result Obote had deliberately orchestrated in order to appease the Ganda tribe. Mutesa was not content to serve as a mere figurehead, however, and continued to feud with Obote over the future of Buganda. In 1966 Obote suspended the Ugandan constitution and proclaimed himself as the new president, exiling Mutesa to Britain. President Obote proceeded to abolish all of Uganda's kingdoms, including Buganda. [edit] Death Mutesa died of alcohol poisoning in his London flat in 1969. Attributed to suicide by the British police, the death has been viewed as a possible assassination by those claiming that Mutesa may have been forcibly administered large amounts of vodka by agents of the Obote regime. Mutesa was interviewed in his flat only a few hours before his death by the British journalist John Simpson, who found that he was sober and in good spirits. Simpson reported this to the police the following day on hearing of Mutesa's death, although this line of enquiry was not pursued. Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kasangwawo I've already said that it was an assassination by agents of the Obote regime That is the crap sold in Uganda, you and I have been abroad for a while and we state matters we can prove. So I am not my grand mother who still believe that Muteesa is still alive and well in UK. Every body who dies in UK has a cause of death, and I state that Muteesa's cause of death is listed , officially listed as alcohol poisoning. Kindly tell us what is officially listed as the death of this drunkard? Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: jonah kasangwawo To: Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC Man, are you illiterate or plain dumb ? I've already said that it was an assassination by agents of the Obote regime, through poisoning. Is it clear to you now ? Regarding Lule, I was only trying to point out to you that it would be better if you first ask yourself in which university Obote did his doctorate before you start questioning Lule's credentials who was an academic. But that also seems to be beyond you. I'm done with your hopeless allegations on this issue. From: Edward Mulindwa Reply
Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC
Man, are you illiterate or plain dumb ? I've already said that it was an assassination by agents of the Obote regime, through poisoning. Is it clear to you now ? Regarding Lule, I was only trying to point out to you that it would be better if you first ask yourself in which university Obote did his doctorate before you start questioning Lule's credentials who was an academic. But that also seems to be beyond you. I'm done with your hopeless allegations on this issue. From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:11:55 -0400 Kasangwawo What did Kabaka Muteesa die from? This is your chance to make it public. Mutesa was a King of Buganda, and a Uganda president at a certain point, surely the cause of his death must be stated and publicly. The floor is yours. On Lule I will not waste my time for we have asked you many times where he did his professorship and you have not answered, that means you do not know and you do not care to research.. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC Mulindwa, I'm not going to do your research for you, but I'll tell you this. Circumstances of Muteesa II's death clearly point to an assassination by agents of the Obote regime. A British journalist, John Simpson, who interviewed King Freddie in his flat just a few hours before his death, stated that he was sober and in good spirits. This was confirmed by people who were around him in his last hours. Simpson actually reported this to the police upon hearing of the King's death on the following day. Incomprehensibly, this line of inquiry was not pursued by the British police who claimed that his death was suicide. You go figure ! But stop telling lies that you have seen the postmortem record because you haven't. As for Prof Lule, well if we believe that Obote is a Dr why should we not believe Lule ? Still, your claims of Lule being an alcoholic are total rubbish, because, as I told you before, the man didn't drink alcohol. Kasangwawo From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 20:00:09 -0400 Kasangwawo Now that you are here what did Mutesa die from? I challenge any one to look for the report on this man if it does not state alcohol poisoning I will personally pay 5000 dollars Canadian. Kasangwawo you are spreading the same roamer that we all must believe in, and Ugandans being in a zoo buy that crap. Yes the crap that Yusuf K Lule was a professor. Prove me wrong Kasangwawo, tell us what Muteesa died from, for you know what? He did not die in Mulago but London the records are available, and I have challenged you on this before and you just shut up. Tell us today. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC There he goes again ! Look, Mulindwa, we've been through this before. You have neither seen Muteesa's post-mortem report nor do you have any inkling what he died from. Otherwise you wouldn't come out with this nonsense. You are just making wild allegations, similar to the ones you made about the late Prof. Lule being a drunkard, when the man was a teetotaller. From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 14:45:13 -0400 Ever since Obote left power, why haven't these questions been asked? Did you really wait for his coming back to Uganda to ask these things? And why has The Movement taken 20 years without looking into this issue? I saw The Paul Muwanga circus what did it help Uganda as a society? May be The Movement is the one to have every thing to hide? But you see we were told that Obote killed the people in Luwero and we accepted it, as we were told that Muteesa was poisoned by a Muganda girl who was sent to London by Obote, until when I read Mutesa's postmortem report and knew the man died of alcohol poisoning because he was a plain drunkard. And no Ugandan ever decided to ask in UK for a report on his death because it is some thing we must just believe. Uganda is truly
Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC
in the elections for us to defeat than Paul Ssemogerere who had a lot of experience in politics. Muwanga and Ssemogerere stopped Lule in Busoga. Lule never arrived in Buganda. Everywhere we went, people welcomed us. The people of Uganda knew the record of UPC government: in building schools, roads, hospitals, industry etc and they could compare it with the record of Idi Amin and the profile of the other political parties. People who say that UPC rigged the 1980 election do not understand the dynamics in Uganda at the time. UPC had a good record, and was well organised with a good manifesto. Our opponents were not credible, and they had no program to talk of. I was not in government. Although Muwanga, the chairman of the military commission was a UPC, Museveni was his number two. How could I who was not number two, number three or number four, not even a number in military commission influence the military commission? Voting started on the 9th, so on the 10th about midday Muwanga issued the proclamation where he stopped everyone from announcing election results except himself. I had in my house Gudir Singh and Shafik Arain. I asked them to go to Muwanga and ask him to recede that statement and apologise to the people. They went to the Nile Mansion and rang me and said Muwanga had refused. So I drove to Nile Mansion, I sat on Muwangaâs bed and I said, âYou have got to recede this announcement now. The enemies of UPC will exploit it to claim it is meant to help us rig the election. âThis proclamation is a danger to UPC and an asset to our opponent.â I was very unhappy with the announcement. The announcement was unconstitutional. How could Muwanga in the middle of counting the votes, suspend the counting of the votes and dismiss some of the electoral commissioners? Muwanga as chairman of the military commission was virtually the president. However, I did have power over him as leader of UPC. I think Muwanga was scared by Adoko Nekyon. Nekyon was at DP headquarters receiving electoral returns. The first to come in were from Buganda which is geographically near Kampala and UPC was been losing badly. Out of 35 seats, DP had won 34, and one remained undeclared. That made Muwanga panic. But I had been on phone with UPC candidates in the rest of Uganda and I knew UPC had won a clear majority. Nekyon knew DP had lost but just wanted to create confusion. The DP headquarters were announcing election results even in constituencies where voting had barely started, or where UPC had a clear lead. Members of the Commonwealth Observer Team did contact DP and warn Ssemogerere against such hasty announcements. If you read their report, they mention that DP was declaring victory in constituencies where UPC had won or where voting was not yet finished. The report also says that DP admitted to this error. UPC had 22 unopposed seats. So there was no fear of a DP victory in my mind at all. I had promised during the campaigns that if UPC wins, I would form a government of national unity. After I was sworn in on December 15, 1980, I invited Paul Ssemwogerere to State House Entebbe. He came with a number of his supporters. I put my proposal to him for a national unity government and he rejected it. He told me that they were going to the high court to challenge the election returns. I had intended to share cabinet portfolios with the DP. I wanted Semogerere to name the portfolios they wanted, which I would discuss with UPC members. He refused the offer and the talks collapsed. I did not call Mayanja Nkangi and Museveni because they both failed to win a seat in parliament. UPM won one seat by default. Museveni had said during the campaigns that if UPC won the elections, he would go to the bush. So I told him âYou go to the bush, we will follow you there and we will stop you there.â Later he went to the bush but I never succeeded to stop him in the bush. I regret that very much. Tomorrow in The Monitor, Obote gives a moving account of his second administration, and provides disturbing details about the atrocities in Luwero. -Original Message- From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ugandanet@kym.net Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:11:55 -0400 Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC Kasangwawo What did Kabaka Muteesa die from? This is your chance to make it public. Mutesa was a King of Buganda, and a Uganda president at a certain point, surely the cause of his death must be stated and publicly. The floor is yours. On Lule I will not waste my time for we have asked you many times where he did his professorship and you have not answered, that means you do not know and you do not care to research.. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED
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Your liitle brain is amazed by anything. Does it matter that he hasn't been sued for twenty years ? What is important is that he will in the end face justice. In fact, just recently four women came forward saying that they want to sue him for killing their husbands. Some people are even ready to help them prepare their case. But what about the 1966-71 killings at Nakulabye, Kisubi, Lubiri, etc ? What about the panda gari and midnight house searches ? What do you say about those ? From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 20:02:14 -0400 And for twenty plus years you idiots never cared to sue HUH, Baganda crap some times amazes me for it goes toe to toe with stupidity. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC Its not enough just putting the blame on Obote's ministers. The fact is, Obote was the chief executive, so to say. He has to take responsibility for the killing of Ugandans that went on under his watch. Unless you are saying that he was so incompetent that he was not aware of what his ministers were doing or he simply couldn't control them. From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 16:56:47 -0400 And if Obote decides not to come back to Uganda? Then it is okay? What happened to critical thinking? So all ministers in that government who are in Uganda and some who are working in NRM all UNLA officers in Uganda today does not matter you just need Obote to tell you how he killed Ugandans in Luwero? No wonder NRM is starting to set terms of Obote's return because they are now knowing how Ugandans love Obote. And it is amazing that just last night I talked to a Ugandan at length regarding this return, and she said these words and I quote No Obote can come back for we have tried our best to kill all UPCs so no problem he can show up no one cares end quote. Umm well Mukono only has so far raised 25 cows, what does that tell you about the man and about what Ugandans feel about him?. Uganda is a ZOO indeed and Museveni is a zoo keeper, guys stay there I will stay here. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC Mr. Mulindwa, It is a pity it took you a lot of trouble to get the real cause of Kabaka's death. He was dead and trying to get an answer from him would not have been very easy. In this case however, Dr. Obote is alive and can talk for himself, fortunately he is endowed with an abundant ability to convince even the doubting ones like me. He can surely get back to Uganda and convince us that it was not him but President Museveni who was responsible for the killings in NOT ONLY Luwero but other parts of the country as well. Some of us would have been willing to listen to his side of the story even 20 yrs ago. I'm sure, then just like now, he would get a judge and general public to listen to his side of the story. He just wasn't there to give it. Now that he is going back to Uganda, why do you want to deny as the opportunity to listen to his side of the story? It is not just now that we are getting interested in it. As to why the Movement is interested in it now, may be the answer can best be got from Mr. Opondo, the movement spokesperson. Mr. Mulindwa, would rather, that Dr. Obote comes back and no questions are asked and therefore all off us remain guessing who was responsible for all the deaths during his regime? Some of us would like to set a precedence that will see even President Museveni held responsible for any wrongs committed while he was in power. We will have to moral authority to demand for that if we cannot demand for it from Dr. Obote now. Nice day. Quoting Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ever since Obote left power, why haven't these questions been asked? Did you really wait for his coming back to Uganda to ask these things? And why has The Movement taken 20 years without looking into this issue? I saw The Paul Muwanga circus what did it help Uganda as a society? May be The Movement is the one to have every thing to hide? But you see we were told that Obote killed the people in Luwero and we accepted
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Mulindwa, I'm not going to do your research for you, but I'll tell you this. Circumstances of Muteesa II's death clearly point to an assassination by agents of the Obote regime. A British journalist, John Simpson, who interviewed King Freddie in his flat just a few hours before his death, stated that he was sober and in good spirits. This was confirmed by people who were around him in his last hours. Simpson actually reported this to the police upon hearing of the King's death on the following day. Incomprehensibly, this line of inquiry was not pursued by the British police who claimed that his death was suicide. You go figure ! But stop telling lies that you have seen the postmortem record because you haven't. As for Prof Lule, well if we believe that Obote is a Dr why should we not believe Lule ? Still, your claims of Lule being an alcoholic are total rubbish, because, as I told you before, the man didn't drink alcohol. Kasangwawo From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 20:00:09 -0400 Kasangwawo Now that you are here what did Mutesa die from? I challenge any one to look for the report on this man if it does not state alcohol poisoning I will personally pay 5000 dollars Canadian. Kasangwawo you are spreading the same roamer that we all must believe in, and Ugandans being in a zoo buy that crap. Yes the crap that Yusuf K Lule was a professor. Prove me wrong Kasangwawo, tell us what Muteesa died from, for you know what? He did not die in Mulago but London the records are available, and I have challenged you on this before and you just shut up. Tell us today. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC There he goes again ! Look, Mulindwa, we've been through this before. You have neither seen Muteesa's post-mortem report nor do you have any inkling what he died from. Otherwise you wouldn't come out with this nonsense. You are just making wild allegations, similar to the ones you made about the late Prof. Lule being a drunkard, when the man was a teetotaller. From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 14:45:13 -0400 Ever since Obote left power, why haven't these questions been asked? Did you really wait for his coming back to Uganda to ask these things? And why has The Movement taken 20 years without looking into this issue? I saw The Paul Muwanga circus what did it help Uganda as a society? May be The Movement is the one to have every thing to hide? But you see we were told that Obote killed the people in Luwero and we accepted it, as we were told that Muteesa was poisoned by a Muganda girl who was sent to London by Obote, until when I read Mutesa's postmortem report and knew the man died of alcohol poisoning because he was a plain drunkard. And no Ugandan ever decided to ask in UK for a report on his death because it is some thing we must just believe. Uganda is truly a ZOO indeed Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC Mr. Onegi, Since the facts are there, and Dr. Obote is that intelligent and with the ability to convince, why can't he just get back to Uganda and convince the courts of law and Ugandans at large, that it was President Museveni and not him who was responsible for all the deaths. Why is he denying Ugandans these facts? Anyway for your information Mr. Onegi, I'm one of those who do not know who the killer is, contrary to your assertion below. I stand to benefit, like so many other Ugandans from the facts as will be given by Dr. Obote when he gets back to Uganda. And by the way, no amount of Intimidation by way of telling me that I belong to the bush is going to change fact that I do not know who the killer is. I will, like many others, continue asking. For it is a fact that people were killed in Luwero and somebody is responsible. It is that person or persons that some of us want to know. The kind of intimidation you are trying to employ here used to come in handy in silencing people in 1980s but I don't think it is effective today. Nice day. Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Even you know
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There he goes again ! Look, Mulindwa, we've been through this before. You have neither seen Muteesa's post-mortem report nor do you have any inkling what he died from. Otherwise you wouldn't come out with this nonsense. You are just making wild allegations, similar to the ones you made about the late Prof. Lule being a drunkard, when the man was a teetotaller. From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 14:45:13 -0400 Ever since Obote left power, why haven't these questions been asked? Did you really wait for his coming back to Uganda to ask these things? And why has The Movement taken 20 years without looking into this issue? I saw The Paul Muwanga circus what did it help Uganda as a society? May be The Movement is the one to have every thing to hide? But you see we were told that Obote killed the people in Luwero and we accepted it, as we were told that Muteesa was poisoned by a Muganda girl who was sent to London by Obote, until when I read Mutesa's postmortem report and knew the man died of alcohol poisoning because he was a plain drunkard. And no Ugandan ever decided to ask in UK for a report on his death because it is some thing we must just believe. Uganda is truly a ZOO indeed Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC Mr. Onegi, Since the facts are there, and Dr. Obote is that intelligent and with the ability to convince, why can't he just get back to Uganda and convince the courts of law and Ugandans at large, that it was President Museveni and not him who was responsible for all the deaths. Why is he denying Ugandans these facts? Anyway for your information Mr. Onegi, I'm one of those who do not know who the killer is, contrary to your assertion below. I stand to benefit, like so many other Ugandans from the facts as will be given by Dr. Obote when he gets back to Uganda. And by the way, no amount of Intimidation by way of telling me that I belong to the bush is going to change fact that I do not know who the killer is. I will, like many others, continue asking. For it is a fact that people were killed in Luwero and somebody is responsible. It is that person or persons that some of us want to know. The kind of intimidation you are trying to employ here used to come in handy in silencing people in 1980s but I don't think it is effective today. Nice day. Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Even you know who the killer is but will not admit it. Museveni is the one responsible for all those death in Luwero. Propaganda to the contrary simply defeats itself because it was Museveni who started an unpopular war and trying to connect it to Buganda popular wishes and mistaken hatred for Obote( hatred that Obote is very smart intelligent and convincing speaker) NRA would commit atrocities at night and in the morning turn up to commiserate with the hapless citizens. That is briefly what has been going on. Now that Obote's plan to come back back has become certain, Museveni and his supporters are exteremely worried of losing and semblance of legality in office. They feel like the houseboy who took over the master's bed room would feel on hearing of the master's return. That is your problem. I guess you already want to go back to the bush, isn't that so? That is where your type of people feel comfortable in. Onegi -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since, according to UPC, Obote and his government are not responsible for the atrocities in Luwero and other parts of the country during his regime, why doesn't he come back and prove this before a court of law. His coming back may be an opportunity for him to tell all Ugandans, other than just the UPC members who already seem to know, who exactly was responsible for the deaths in Luwero and elsewhere in the country. Quoting Matek Opoko [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC THE Uganda People's Congress (UPC) has said information state minister Nsaba Buturo, who was a Luweero district commissioner, knows the people who massacred residents, reports Hillary Kiirya. Speaking on phone, UPC's defacto leader, Hajji Badru Wegulo, yesterday said, I do not think Buturo believes in what he is saying other than protecting the buttered side of the bread. He knows the people who threw the grenades and butchered people in Luweero and not Dr. Milton Obote as he said. Obote is not a killer. That was a very unfortunate statement though we expected it from the government. We know they have sinister plans for the party president. They thought his return was a
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Its not enough just putting the blame on Obote's ministers. The fact is, Obote was the chief executive, so to say. He has to take responsibility for the killing of Ugandans that went on under his watch. Unless you are saying that he was so incompetent that he was not aware of what his ministers were doing or he simply couldn't control them. From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 16:56:47 -0400 And if Obote decides not to come back to Uganda? Then it is okay? What happened to critical thinking? So all ministers in that government who are in Uganda and some who are working in NRM all UNLA officers in Uganda today does not matter you just need Obote to tell you how he killed Ugandans in Luwero? No wonder NRM is starting to set terms of Obote's return because they are now knowing how Ugandans love Obote. And it is amazing that just last night I talked to a Ugandan at length regarding this return, and she said these words and I quote No Obote can come back for we have tried our best to kill all UPCs so no problem he can show up no one cares end quote. Umm well Mukono only has so far raised 25 cows, what does that tell you about the man and about what Ugandans feel about him?. Uganda is a ZOO indeed and Museveni is a zoo keeper, guys stay there I will stay here. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC Mr. Mulindwa, It is a pity it took you a lot of trouble to get the real cause of Kabaka's death. He was dead and trying to get an answer from him would not have been very easy. In this case however, Dr. Obote is alive and can talk for himself, fortunately he is endowed with an abundant ability to convince even the doubting ones like me. He can surely get back to Uganda and convince us that it was not him but President Museveni who was responsible for the killings in NOT ONLY Luwero but other parts of the country as well. Some of us would have been willing to listen to his side of the story even 20 yrs ago. I'm sure, then just like now, he would get a judge and general public to listen to his side of the story. He just wasn't there to give it. Now that he is going back to Uganda, why do you want to deny as the opportunity to listen to his side of the story? It is not just now that we are getting interested in it. As to why the Movement is interested in it now, may be the answer can best be got from Mr. Opondo, the movement spokesperson. Mr. Mulindwa, would rather, that Dr. Obote comes back and no questions are asked and therefore all off us remain guessing who was responsible for all the deaths during his regime? Some of us would like to set a precedence that will see even President Museveni held responsible for any wrongs committed while he was in power. We will have to moral authority to demand for that if we cannot demand for it from Dr. Obote now. Nice day. Quoting Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ever since Obote left power, why haven't these questions been asked? Did you really wait for his coming back to Uganda to ask these things? And why has The Movement taken 20 years without looking into this issue? I saw The Paul Muwanga circus what did it help Uganda as a society? May be The Movement is the one to have every thing to hide? But you see we were told that Obote killed the people in Luwero and we accepted it, as we were told that Muteesa was poisoned by a Muganda girl who was sent to London by Obote, until when I read Mutesa's postmortem report and knew the man died of alcohol poisoning because he was a plain drunkard. And no Ugandan ever decided to ask in UK for a report on his death because it is some thing we must just believe. Uganda is truly a ZOO indeed Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC Mr. Onegi, Since the facts are there, and Dr. Obote is that intelligent and with the ability to convince, why can't he just get back to Uganda and convince the courts of law and Ugandans at large, that it was President Museveni and not him who was responsible for all the deaths. Why is he denying Ugandans these facts? Anyway for your information Mr. Onegi, I'm one of those who do not know who the killer is, contrary to your assertion below. I stand to benefit, like so many other Ugandans from the
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Well, if M7 recruited Rwandese who were doing the farming on your land in Luweero, your hero in Lusaka had already set a precedent by recruiting them into his infamous Gestapo-like General Service Unit in the 60s. Obote not only introduced the use of violence into the polity of Uganda, but also spionage and torture. We have it from reliable sources that Tutsi girls and many Ugandan girls were selected by the Obote regime and 'deployed in strategic places to spy on the public'. It was one such girl that was despatched to poison Muteesa. But what about the 1966-71 killings at Nakulabye, Kisubi, Lubiri, etc ? What about the panda gari and midnight house searches ? What do you say about those ? Mw. Nume is right, Obote won't be coming back. From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 07:36:52 -0400 M7 was supported by the Baganda for the joint effort they embarked on to relieve themselves of the rather difficult circumstances they were in under Obote. It just amazes me how a true Ugandan can honestly stand up and look with a straight face to claim that Baganda supported Museveni in Luwero war. Were you people actually leaving in Luwero or you were reading these things on the net? And that is how we as people who were in Luwero really get pissed for Nome you have no idea what you are talking about. But again it is some thing we have to agree with as Obote again sent a Uganda girl to London to poison Mutesa, a man we all know was alcoholic and collapsed on a firkin bottle. Museveni refused to recruit even a single Uganda in Luwero, he took all Rwandese who were doing the farming in our land and he used them instead of Baganda, Luwero was used not for support but for logistics, food being one of them and many cassava plantations were taken by force. In the end Baganda were recruited and if you showed that you were a good fighter you were killed in luwero. We even have an incident where Baganda stole amenvu for they had no food, and they were put on a firing squad. How were the Kagame's of today created? And here we are today a true Uganda is preaching how they supported Museveni while in bush. No he actually wanted the least from us and yes he was right. Em Toronto With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: Simon Nume To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC Mr Njoki It is not only Luweero Obote should be asked about There are the 1966-1971 killings at Nakulabye, Kisubi ,Lubiri etc Then there are the infamous killings outside Luwero like Panda Gari where young Baganda boys from the age of 12 were picked up from the street early morning on the way to school and killed; and the numerous people who were killed by his state research goons like M7 all over Buganda. He should be asked particulary about the after midnight house searches where people used to be dragged out of their homes at night and be killed just for being Baganda ( aduyi) The Obote men used to taunt Baganda re-telling stories of how the stupid cowardly Baganda cry when they break down their doors at night , Omuganda agamba twala bintu naye leka bulamu . M7 was supported by the Baganda for the joint effort they embarked on to relieve themselves of the rather difficult circumstances they were in under Obote. Now that Baganda support for M7 has gone, and the ki-federo deal with Mengo was roundly rejected by the majority of Baganda, M7 is using the last card he has, by bringing back the bogeyman Obote.. By bringing back or claiming to bring Obote back, M7 wants to remind the Baganda what Obote did to them, so that they stick with him (M7), who will continue to kill the northerners as he has done for the last 19 years. I am sure that M7 thought that the Baganda will come out shouting as soon as he announced the return of Obote. That they did not, bothers M7 no end. He is not sure what to read out of this. Have the Baganda forgiven Obote ? ( in which case they will still NOT vote for M7) , or is M7 perceived to be as bad as Obote ? ( in which case they will still NOT support M7) Fortunately Obote knows the truth and I dont think he will come back anyway. Nume [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Mulindwa, To begin with, I have a name. If you had bothered to check at the end of the mail, you would have clearly seen my name and address. But for the record, I'm Paul Njoki. All Ugandans are movementists indeed even after parties like U.P.C. NRM-O, CP ect have registered and recruited members!! About Hajji Sebirumbi, a man who was sick. He should have thought about that
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Onegi, this sort of questioning is very irksome, because it is devoid of any logic. Since Idi Amin lived for over 20 years after his escape, and he was never taken to court, can you then comfortably conclude that he had no case to answer ? What exactly is your logic, sir ? Kasangwawo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 19:56:49 GMT Paul Is there any paricular reason why Obote could not have been tried in a court of law up to this time? In case where he is going to be tried, should not he be presumed innocent until proven guilty, or has he already been tried and already found guilt by some private court you know of? You know there is a name for this kind of behavior even there was a case for Obote to answer, it is call miscarriage of justice. The case can bedimissed outright because of the sensasionalisation in the media. Onegi Y -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mw. Mulindwa, Ssebirumbi, was charged and convicted with murder. Museveni on the other hand has not been sued by anybody and convicted of murder. If he is ever charged, convicted and not killed the same way Ssebirumbi was killed, I will join you in cry out about the injustice. As to whether killing somebody who has been proven to have killed another is justified, I personally do not think it is right. But that is what the law provides as of now. I can join you in advocating for the change of that law. On the other hand, the likes of Ssebirumbi were even lucky that they got somebody to listen to their side of the story. There are many who were not allowed that privilege when the Ssebirumbis had the power to do so. They were simply assumed guilty and killed. Paul Quoting Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Paul Njoki So If Ssebirumbi killed the old and the infirm it justifies society to kill him as well? And the same society yet agrees Museveni to be its leader, a Museveni we all know has killed more people in Uganda than all previous leaders combined including the colonialists? And you have no idea how sorry I am to have been born into that zoo, I might have turned out a better person. You really have no idea how sorry I am. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC Mr. Mulindwa, To begin with, I have a name. If you had bothered to check at the end of the mail, you would have clearly seen my name and address. But for the record, I'm Paul Njoki. All Ugandans are movementists indeed even after parties like U.P.C. NRM-O, CP ect have registered and recruited members!! About Hajji Sebirumbi, a man who was sick. He should have thought about that at the time he commited the crimes for which he was sentenced. I'm sure among the people he was accused and convicted of killing or either the killing were the sick and the old. And yes, in Mukono, the likes of Keffa Ssemapngi have defected. As for Uganda being a zoo, you are entaitled to your opinion. It is just a pity you were also brought up in a zoo! Nice day PAUL NJOKI Quoting Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED]: First of all no one defects to movement because all Ugandans are Movementists. Isn't that the old school of thoughts? Secondly I have lived here long enough to know the American system of it is okay we will take him to a trial then we will kill him. Third, how has Rwakasiisi's being in jail this long changed Uganda for better? No wonder you have no name for it all makes sense to you including the murdering of Haji Musa Ssebirumbi, a man who was clearly very sick and disabled. Again I insist Uganda is a ZOO let us just learn to move on with out it for this kind of reasoning just baffles me. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Buturo knows Luweero killers, says UPC Mw. Mulindwa, One thing that we seem to agree on here is that we want Obote like anyone else who thinks it is not a zoo to get back to Uganda if they so with. The disagreement is the on whether or not there should be a blanket amnesty. I say no amnesty to Dr. Obote or anybody else who may have been responsible for any killings in Uganda. No one is about to drag any of them to prison before a hearing. They will have to earn their places
[Ugnet] just a hiccup !
Matek, just a hiccup, huh ? .. UPC plot to expel Obote BY ALFRED WASIKE JUST a week after the Zambia-based Uganda Peoples Congress leader, Milton Obote shook up his party dissolving its top organ, the Presidential Policy Commission, a group of those sacked are plotting to oust him soon. Investigations by Sunday Vision have found that a group of angry UPC leaders are secretly meeting in a Kampala suburb and are drawing up strategies to throw out Obote in a delegates conference or even earlier. They claim that Obote is worse than Museveni and does not take advice. According to a source, the rebel faction, which has so far held three meetings says the party chief overreacts whenever challenged. Efforts to get a comment from the new de facto leader in Uganda Haji Badru Wegulo, the chairperson of the new UPC Constitutional Steering Committee, were fruitless, as he switched off his mobile phone. It is a big of group of people who are very unhappy with the way they were sacked. They are secretly convincing delegates to join them in throwing out Obote during the delegates conference that will take place in a few months. It is a big group from the former PPC, National Organisation Committee, MPs and other organs, the sources said. Sunday Vision has learnt that among the plotters are former PPC chairperson, James Rwanyarare, Henry Mayega, Patrick Mwondha, Omara Atubo, Ben Wacha, Cecilia Ogwal, Afunadula, Patrick Kirunda, Yona Kanyomozi, Patrick Rubaihayo and Okullu Epak. The plotters have also drawn up a memorandum of their grievances, which was e-mailed to Obote yesterday morning. It read, We are outlining our issues with his leadership of the party. We are protesting the manner in which he sacked us and appointed Movement spies into the party. We are also angry that after toiling in the countryside looking for signatures, even in hostile territory like Buganda, we never even looked at the registration certificate. The group is unhappy with Obotes choice of Kampala lawyer Peter Walubiri as the partys secretary general. They feel party faithfuls have been sidelined. Sources said the plotters are against the idea of Obote returning home before the 2006 elections, because most Ugandans are still angry with him over the excesses of the UPC in the 1960s and 1980s. They argue that his return would jeopardise the chances of UPC and the opposition coalition in the 2006 polls. Sources dismissed rumours that the plotters were fronting Rwanyarare to replace Obote. They want to give the leadership to a younger person like Mayiga, or someone as young, especially to sell the party in Buganda, the sources said. Ends Published on: Sunday, 10th April, 2005 == Re: [Ugnet] UPC bickering over certificate ! Matek Opoko Sun, 03 Apr 2005 07:29:56 -0700 Nnyambo Jonah Kasangwawo! Tofayo! THESE ARE JUST HICCUPS. Believe me UPC leadership remains solid focus and determine to once again bring Uhuru to the people of Uganda after 20 years of NRM oppression in our country. Have a good sunday. Matek From: jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net Subject: [Ugnet] UPC bickering over certificate ! Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 12:40:45 + Matek, what's going on ? Is UPC heading for a Ssemogerere-Ssebaggala-type squabble ? . From Sunday Monitor Inside story of UPC shake-up By Frank Nyakairu KAMPALA Uganda Peoples Congress President Milton Obote dismissed Dr James Rwanyarare as UPC leader in Uganda for allegedly saying he would defy the exiled party chief. Rwanyarare was removed as chairman of the Presidential Policy Commission (PPC), the organ that has been running the party, and made chairman of a five-member advisory team. Dr James Rwanyarare and Congress President Milton Obote He denies that he wanted to shunt the exiled Obote aside and pave the way for himself to become UPC president. Obote, exiled in Lusaka since 1985, replaced the PPC with the Constitutional Steering Committee led by national party chairman Badru Wegulo. Rwanyarare is said to have called a PPC meeting on March 21, which also involved members of the youth wing. He reportedly told the meeting that he and Cecilia Ogwal were going to get the party registration certificate and run the affairs of the party and be able to defy Obote, said Mr Peter Walubiri, a member of the PPC who, however, did not attend the meeting. When Obote was told of the meeting, he instructed Walubiri to quickly collect the certificate and keep it away from Rwanyarare. That's a fabrication, said Rwanyarare. I held that meeting to resolve the problems of the factions and I didn't at all talk about registration. Someone who got the certificate arbitrarily is trying to justify his evil acts. Indeed, factionalism, intrigue and backstabbing amongst top party leaders are eating up UPC at its Uganda House headquarters on Kampala Road. The major contending centres
[Ugnet] UPC bickering over certificate !
Matek, what's going on ? Is UPC heading for a Ssemogerere-Ssebaggala-type squabble ? . From Sunday Monitor Inside story of UPC shake-up By Frank Nyakairu KAMPALA Uganda Peoples Congress President Milton Obote dismissed Dr James Rwanyarare as UPC leader in Uganda for allegedly saying he would defy the exiled party chief. Rwanyarare was removed as chairman of the Presidential Policy Commission (PPC), the organ that has been running the party, and made chairman of a five-member advisory team. Dr James Rwanyarare and Congress President Milton Obote He denies that he wanted to shunt the exiled Obote aside and pave the way for himself to become UPC president. Obote, exiled in Lusaka since 1985, replaced the PPC with the Constitutional Steering Committee led by national party chairman Badru Wegulo. Rwanyarare is said to have called a PPC meeting on March 21, which also involved members of the youth wing. He reportedly told the meeting that he and Cecilia Ogwal were going to get the party registration certificate and run the affairs of the party and be able to defy Obote, said Mr Peter Walubiri, a member of the PPC who, however, did not attend the meeting. When Obote was told of the meeting, he instructed Walubiri to quickly collect the certificate and keep it away from Rwanyarare. That's a fabrication, said Rwanyarare. I held that meeting to resolve the problems of the factions and I didn't at all talk about registration. Someone who got the certificate arbitrarily is trying to justify his evil acts. Indeed, factionalism, intrigue and backstabbing amongst top party leaders are eating up UPC at its Uganda House headquarters on Kampala Road. The major contending centres of power have been the PPC led by Rwanrarare and the National Organising Committee led by Walubiri. In a move to forestall further acrimony, Obote abolished both organs, having written earlier warning the two men to stop bickering. Walubiri is now secretary general of Wegulo's Steering Committee. The latest trouble started on March 13 when a section of UPC leaders held a secret meeting at the party headquarters on floor 6 at Uganda House. Some 12 UPC members attended the meeting chaired by Hajji Wegulo and held, significantly, on a Sunday when the party headquarters are supposed to be closed. PPC chairman Rwanyarare and the majority of his commissioners did not know about the meeting. Neither did other officials such as UPC Youth Chairman James Otto. I'm not sure if the PPC chairman knew about it, PPC member Oweyegha Afunaduula wrote on March 16 complaining to Obote. I am sure the UPC Youth Chairman James Otto was not aware of it. Rwanyarare called a crisis meeting of several members the next day, Monday, March 14, and asked Wegulo to explain the intentions of the secret meeting. A source inside the meeting described it as stormy and the UPC leaders quarrelled openly. The intrigue in the party has Rwanyarare on one side and Wegulo, Walubiri and Mr Patrick Aroma, a new UPC member from NRM, on the other. Sources say the March 13 secret meeting fronted Aroma to be UPC youth chairman replacing Otto, the reason Otto was not invited. It is not clear why Otto should be kicked off the party youth chair. The meeting was held behind my back but all this was Obote's manipulative politics, Rwanyarare said yesterday. He added that the trouble with Obote started way back in 1993 when Rwanyarare suggested a delegates conference be held to hand over power to younger UPC members. However, when things boiled over mid last month, most PPC members suspected Obote's hand. Afunaduula wrote an impassioned letter asking him to intervene in the crisis and explain his preference of Aroma for the youth job over Otto. Obote claims Aroma has done a wonderful job stopping President Museveni's third term project. How did [Aroma] do it? Why then is the project in earnest? Afunaduula wrote Obote in the March 16 letter. Obote's response was quick and indignant describing Afunaduula's letter as incongruous and perturbing. He also accused Rwanyarare of talking too much about the Annual Delegates Conference. He said Aroma was chosen by the west to fight the third term project and was doing it well. With those sorts of sentiments, it was not surprising that Obote ordered Wegulo, Aroma and Walubiri to pick the original party certificate on March 22 and keep because he had grown suspicious of Rwanyarare's motives. They refused to give us the certificate when I was one of the applicants who signed for it and they did it on Obote's orders, Rwanyarrare said. As PPC chairman, Rwanyarare should have picked and kept the certificate for the party, sources say. On March 25, Afunaduula wrote another angry letter to Obote likening him to Museveni, his archrival. We have not been able to see the certificate of registration because you according to your letter to the Chairman PPC instructed Walubiri to keep
RE: [Ugnet] Mr. Kasangwawo, Do you Know if Mulindwa is Running for Katikkiro?
Musamize, I don't think our friend is man enough to run. He will now come up with some excuses, mbu the decision to have elected officials at Mengo was made under the NRM and not UPC, therefore its not valid. Just you wait and see ! Kasangwawo From: musamize [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net Subject: [Ugnet] Mr. Kasangwawo,Do you Know if Mulindwa is Running for Katikkiro? Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:47:13 -0800 (PST) I was going through past email and chanced upon his missive of Jan 25, 2005, nearly one moon ago. On re-reading it I came I found some interesting paragraphs (highlted below) that got me wondering ... Musamize - From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] New Vision: King Mutebi! Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 01:28:04 -0500 Fellow Ugandans I have never in my entire life had such a complicated decision to make as to whether I should support my own Kingdom in Mengo, but today I have made the decision and it is no I am neither going to support my Kingdom nor vote for it. This decision was very complicated to make for I have been with several problems with the way Mengo runs, but I had learnt to some how live with it. I had a problem with the falling of Teefe Bank and I wanted to see the official standing of Mengo on this bank, and I failed to get a proper standing from Mengo on this issue but I let that go. Calling the Kabaka's appointed members of Lukiiko Ministers also brought some hard-ship on me for it puts some connotations on them that they should not have, but I let that go as well. The Katikiro came to The States and he advised all Baganda abroad to meet and elect representatives among our selves, out of whom we can get a representative to Ssabasajja, and a meeting was held on January 15th, I wondered why Katikiro finds it important for us as Baganda to elect our own representatives abroad when Mengo, an institution he administratively lead does not believe in elections, why can't we as Baganda abroad meet and appoint our representatives as Mengo does? But I still let that go for you know Rome was not built in one day so I believed that let us keep on telling the Mengo people our concerns may be one day they will move the right direction. I am sorry I was wrong and what made me make my decision today is the appointments of ministers made by our King on the week end. That pushed me over the edge. And I will explain. The problem in our nation is neither Uniterism or Federalism nor tribalism, our problem is Lack of leadership. We need a government with leadership qualities. It does not matter if you use a Mayumba Kumi, A Movement, UPC, DP, Military Government to get it, but what we as Ugandans are crying for is a government with leadership in our nation. When The Movement came to power, it lost my support for it decided to play the Patronage card. It made appointments based on Tribes not on ability. The movement has the most ministerial positions for it wants to make sure every one in Uganda is happy, thus the creation of positions like Minister of State, Deputy Minister, and so on. These are people who are appointed when they can not do anything for one wonders the difference between each of them. But hey they are Ministers that is what counts. That is not a government with leadership qualities. In Ssabasajja's appointments he appointed 3 Ministers of State, what does a Minister of State do and what is the difference between a Minister and a Minister of State, who does what and who does not do what? This is a classic example of Patronage appointments. Ssabasaja appointed as well Mau Kanani to the Lukiiko for he is close to the royal family and designed the Kabaka's wedding robe. Is that enough to appoint some one to the Lukiiko in Mengo? Christopher Ntabaazi was appointed as a minister with out portfolio. Ugandans these are appointments The Movement does to make every body happy. When the Movement became Politically Bankrupt, (An NRM term) they decided to go Broad Based. Mengo has today gone Broad Based for it has appointed not only A Munyala but two Asians as well. Broad Based does not go better than that. And I say if we have a Minister with out Port Folio today, we need a Minister of general duties as well. That is the Mengo we have today, a true child of The Movement. Ugandans these are patronage appointments made by our King who is still asking for more powers from the Central Government, he has however started by the Patronage trip before he got the powers he is asking for. Mengo does not collect our taxes yet, for I bet tomorrow many Ministers would have been appointed and given a new Mercedes Benz with a Driver and escort. That is not leadership that is just a continuation of the NRM legacy. Mengo should have used this time to prove to us as
Re: [Ugnet] Did I read correct?????
Mw. Nume, your interpretation is correct. The proposals of our honorables are getting more and more ridiculous. Why should we tamper with the constitution just to accomodate a president who has already had 4 terms ? We have been told that the reason they want to change Article 105 is because the incumbent has been a very good president, so we need to give him more terms as a present ! Are we going to change the constitution every time we have a new president depending on whether the MPs think he has been a good or bad president ? Can you believe this crap !!! And I thought a constitution is supposed to be a long-lasting document. Kasangwawo From: Simon Nume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Did I read correct? Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 03:33:31 -0800 (PST) Mr Wambuga It seems that term limits are to lifted to allow the first president who will win under multi-parties to rule for life. Should he die or lose a subsquent election then term limits would apply to the SECOND leader who comes in. Is this what you read ??? Nume B Wambuga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Netters help here -- MPs get new 3rd term proposal A NEW proposal to amend Article 105 to lift the presidential term limits was yesterday floated before the legal and parliamentary affairs committee, writes Cyprian Musoke. The proposal, presented by Mawokota South MP Henry Mutebi Kityo (right), is to be examined by the committee, now scrutinising the constitutional (Amendment) Bill 2005. It proposed the exemption (from term limits) of the first elected regime after the transition to multi-party politics, but that the limits should be retained in the Constitution for the subsequent governments elected thereafter. It was seconded by Freddie Ruhindi, Bright rwamirama and John Byabagambi. Ends Published on: Thursday, 24th February, 2005 - Hullo!!! What could this mean? Bwambuga. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball.___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball. ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/
Re: [Ugnet] Will this is be the fate of Swahili?
What's this ? How did sectarianism come into this ? I sincerely feel you should leave discussions like this one alone, they are way beyond your comprehension. I've heard your Luganda is nothing to write home about either ! From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Will this is be the fate of Swahili? Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:58:14 -0500 You know a debate like this makes one wonder if we even need a middle class earner, developed in Uganda. I happen top be one of those pleading for it right and center but even if we create a class of middle income earner that can buy these books, The problem I Buganda is not maintaining the language it is pure sectarianism, and income does not cure it, nor does it cure ignorance. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 9:30 PM Subject: RE: [Ugnet] Will this is be the fate of Swahili? Bwana Ssemakula, I think that bell doesn't toll for English (or Swahili) alone. How many speakers of Luganda (and I'm using this phrase deliberately, well aware that a significant percentage of Luganda speakers are not Baganda) do you know who care enough for the language to buy Luganda books for reading at home (i.e. for pleasure and to satisfy their personal -- non-school -- quest for knowledge)? Skills in one language translate well into learning a second, third, etc language. For example, my appreciation of the finer points of English grammar have been immensely useful in my efforts to speak and write better Ma'di, Arabic, Kiswahili, and Lugbara. We have an across-the-board problem and those of use who care for the survival and thriving of African languages could do something far more useful and non-partisan about promoting a culture of reading in Uganda. My anecdotal conclusion is that our brothers and sisters in Kenya buy more books and newspapers (English and local languages included) per capita than us. And then, generally Ugandans currently have a poor regard for learning the standard form of any of the languages that they speak. Just my two non-partisan, non-polemic cents. vukoni Original Message Subject: [Ugnet] Will this is be the fate of Swahili? From: musamize [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, February 22, 2005 7:42 pm To: ugandanet@kym.net ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ -- ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/
RE: [Ugnet] KABAKA LEFT OUT THE NUBIANS
Mulindwa, what are you complaining about ? Don't you want your people to be represented ? Maybe if you improve your behaviour you might be the one chosen to represent them. Ha, ha, ha, ha ! Kasangwawo From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], ugandanet@kym.net Subject: [Ugnet] KABAKA LEFT OUT THE NUBIANS Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:53:38 -0500 Ugandans This is the very nonsense Mengo started to feed in from the Federalists. Like I said where do we cut the line at? Em Toronto The Kabaka left out Nubians I thank the Kabaka of Buganda for being broadbased in his ministerial appointments, which saw Asians and Somalis being brought into the cabinet. I would, however, like to express my disatisfaction with his mode of appointments. Some groups are still unrepresented in his government. For instance, Nubians who have over the years contributed to Buganda's development and shed their blood for the kingdom are yet to benefit from such appointments. It's surprising that the Kabaka appointed people from other races and yet the Nubians came here first. Why are we left out yet we had one of our own in the late Sir Edward Muteesa's government; Mustafa Ramadhan, who still lives. Thank you. Mohsin Musa, Bombo. The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/
RE: [Ugnet] VUKONI
Mr. Vukoni, please respond to our friend. Maybe he finally wants to make a confession. Kasangwawo From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net Subject: [Ugnet] VUKONI Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:52:58 -0500 I am looking for U Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/
RE: [Ugnet] Free and fair elections not term limits
Such statements from an EU commissioner are not helpful at all. Its good that he acknowledges that free and fair elections in a multi-party setting are important. But he should have also made it clear that the current political environment in Uganda is not as yet conducive to such elections and therefore the presidential term limits should still stay in place as a check. It is no good just comparing the situation in Uganda to his native Belgium where free and fair elections are the norm - that is a completely different ball game. The framers of the 1995 constitution (a lot of them NRM people) did not just wake up one day and decide to insert presidential term limits for good measure. They must have had a reason. To my mind, the reason for this decision is still real. Kasangwawo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Ugnet] Free and fair elections not term limits Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:07:28 EST EU chief raps term limits POPULAR MANDATE: Michel (right) tours camps in Gulu By Cyprian Musoke IT does not matter how long a president stays in power as long as he still has the popular mandate, a European Union commissioner (EU) has said. The EU commissioner for development and humanitarian aid, Louis Michel, was addressing the press at Sheraton hotel Kampala on Thursday night. Michel, who had earlier met President Yoweri Museveni at State house Nakasero, said free and fair elections in a multi-party setting were more important. He was responding to questions on whether Museveni had hinted on whether he would retire when his constitutional term expires. Michel said popularity of a person, nature of the electorate and the fairness of the elections mattered most. âI was elected for 30 years. I had seven or eight terms. Of course nobody doesnât find this abnormal. I am just a popular guy,â he said, in reference to his former position as deputy Premier of Belgium. âYou need a loyal, free and fair election, but it ultimately depends on the people, the candidate, and fairness of the elections,â he said. He said they talked about the White paper, democracy, multi-partism and the Uganda-Rwanda relationship. Michel said he told Museveni that multipartyism was an active condition for democracy, âto which the President seemed to agreeâ. Michel, who had just concluded a visit to northern Uganda, wondered why the international community had ignored the situation there. He said Betty Bigombe, the chief mediator in the peace talks, assured him that there was an opportunity to end the war, and requested for more funds from the EU. Michel said the EU alone could not deliver all the assistance needed for the war. He asked others to join the struggle. He said the EU would finance road infrastructure to make sure that the people in the camps returned to their homes to till their land. Published on: Saturday, 18th December, 2004 ___ Ugandanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ Ugandanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/
Re: [Ugnet] Nature mandates Pan-Africanism
Quite a diplomatic way of not answering my question ! Mr. Walker, you joined ugandanet which is a country specific discussion forum and I would have thought that you did so because you were interested in issues pertaining to that particular country. If, as you say, you are not interested in country specific stuff, what exactly was your motive of joining ugandanet ? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Nature mandates Pan-Africanism Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:03:17 EST I generally try to avoid issues that are country specific, other than to advocate that the people of the particular state should be allowed to find the optimal democratic structures for their particular history and cultural subset. The question of federalism in a given country would have to factor in things such as the status of kingdoms; in theory the US Constitution allows for a certain amount of power for example the Kingdom of the indigenous people of Hawaii, as well as sovereignty for the indigenous people of north America. In practice, neither set of indigenous people are able to exercise these powers; so even when things are embedded in Constitutional documents, it is not necessarily a reflection of reality on the ground. That is one of the reasons why I think that the main thing is for the population of a given state to get properly organized, create the kind of unity necessary for the greatest democracy where they are...whether in a confederation or federal structure... ___ Ugandanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ Ugandanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/
RE: [Ugnet] Nature mandates Pan-Africanism
Mr. Walker, I notice you are for federalism for the whole of Africa as a continent. What is your opinion about a federal structure for Uganda ? Kasangwawo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Ugnet] Nature mandates Pan-Africanism Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:12:05 EST It seems that nature in the form of locust infestation, droughts, and other Acts of God is trying to convince us of the necessity of Pan-Africanism. How in the world can anyone continue to argue that Pan-Africanism, specifically a Union Government democratically constructed, and controlled by the majority of the people of Africa, and not by the corrupt elite, is not necessary? Do the swarm of locust recognize borders between Mauritania and Senegal, do they exempt Egypt because it is a separate jurisdiction? Do devastating flood waters distinguish between Mozambique and Zimbabwe? Is the problem of droughts exclusively a concern for Ethiopia? Is the environmental state of the river systems, the Nile, the Congo, the Niger and so forth the exclusive domain and responsibility of one state in Africa? Are the oceans and atmosphere of Africa, the general ecosystem of Africa the exclusive domain of a state or of a sub-region/region? Clearly the answer to all of these is no. Only a federal structure able to mobilize and deploy the continent's resources and apply them to the areas where they are needed is equipped to respond to such circumstances. Please give this serious thought...our peoples lives are at stake. Those of us who hold citizenship in one (or more) of the African states are in an especially critical position in this matter. As I said think on these matters as our lives depend on it... ___ Ugandanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Ugandanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/
RE: [Ugnet] FROM THE CHAIRMAN
gook, I didn't fail to notice Kabonero's implicit comparison of his boss to Chairman Mao, who was a real revolutionary. Laughable ! But I agree with you - it was Ofwono. The grammar and syntax were a bit better, although the content (or lack of it) was the same. Apart from the usual 'bush' talk, the main question was left unanswered: where did the money come from ? And if it was to 'facilitate' MPs to explain the so-called White Paper to the peasants, why weren't ALL MPs given it, since we're all still under the Movement system, but rather it was given to only those who pledged to support the ekisanja ? Kasangwawo From: gook makanga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Ugnet] FROM THE CHAIRMAN Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 08:14:43 + ___ Ugandanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/ I wonder who authored for him this Missive this time, Ofwono Opondo? His missives look more like the one he wrote to that "development partner" of his, the lady from the UK. Remember that letter he wrote about Rwanda? Thaat was M7 original! This one must be Ofwono Opondo! Gook "Rang guthe agithi marapu!" A karamonjong word of wisdomExpress yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Download today it's FREE! ___ Ugandanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/
RE: [Ugnet] The concept of Federo: A case study - Monitor -October17-23, 2004
Okello, I was only trying to put right the misinformation that the author was spreading around about our history, and this involved our King. I do not know exactly what you want from me. Do you expect me to give up my identity in order to save myself ? Isn't that a contradiction in terms ? Nowadays when you don't mention Gulu or Acholi, people like you assume that one is in slumber. No sir ! The Baganda can take care of themselves. I am also aware that the Buganda Kingdom is not static. If it was, the issue would have for example been whether all these non-Baganda putting up constructions in Buganda are on borrowed land or not, due to an old law that forbade non-Baganda from buying land in Buganda. As for who put who in the chair, the saying goes that one hand washes the other. It is public knowledge that during the war, without Kabaka's support the NRM/A was finding it increasingly difficult, if not impossible, to make any headway towards Kampala. Its only that some people tend to forget who got them there. BTW Okello, I don't know how you are able to live with yourself, since the country you reside in still pays allegiance to the outdated traditional path of 'our Queen' ! Kasangwawo From: okello [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Ugnet] The concept of Federo: A case study - Monitor -October17-23, 2004 Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 11:34:11 -0500 (EST) Jonah Kasangwawo, You got some points. But, as long as you stick to the traditional system, that only cocoon people and put them to a state of slumber, when in fact people should be engaging, with ferocity, in economic and political hassles of today's world to have themselves mass awoken, in order to be able to fend off the growing threats to their land and livelihood, like the turks of the movement government now pushing off baganda from their land, you are bound to lose hands down. Politically and economically astute people are the ones who can secure, and protect whats theirs by birth for posterity. The Kabaka is in no position to save the baganda; only the baganda can save themselves. And as long as they, the baganda like you, still continue to traverse the outdated traditional path of our King, and look at the world around them from the spectacles of the Kabaka and his chiefs, because that is fundamental traditional values to hold religiously, then only waking up one day and finding your/themselves holder/s of these traditions, but merely squatters on the land, will make them learn; but, that will be just too late. The NRA/M put the Kabaka back in his so called chair for god sakes! What make you think the Kabaka can now turn around and tell the NRA/M what it can or can not do in Buganda? It is only woken people of Buganda, and Uganda in general who can stop these turks from the vision of creating a middle class in Uganda out of an ethnic group, in order to re-engineer the political direction of the country. Not the Kabaka; not traditions; not even any ineffective systems, be it a political party or not, in whatever nuances they may be. Stick to this ineffective our King, and you sure are going to learn the hard way when Uganda finally becomes too small for you to live in. Good luck my fellow country man. jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In The concept of Federo : A case study Kajabago-ka-Rusoke talks about everything else - colonisation, land, et cetera - except about federo. Even then, his understanding of mailo land and its origin leaves a lot to be desired. He thinks that the Kabaka and his chiefs didn't own land until some Europeans arrived and dished out some as a gift. Nothing can be further from the truth. Even before the arrival of the colonialists, the Kabaka was (infact he still is) the largest landowner in what is now known as Uganda, in that he held in trust most of the land in Buganda. What the 1900 Agreement did was to reorganize the distribution of land in Buganda. The colonial authority awarded itself 10550 sq. miles (1500 forests, 9000 uncultivated land and 50 for govt. stations); 350 sq. miles went to the Kabaka; 8000 sq. miles went to one thousand private landowners who had given great service for Buganda and who were actually already in possession of these estates (calculated at an average of 8 sq. miles per individual); 320 sq. miles went to Ssaza chiefs and their official estates; the rest went to Mbogo the moslem chief, Kamuswaga the chief of Kooki, the Kabaka's relatives, the 3 regents at the time and to missionary societies. Altogether 19600 sq. miles. Therefore, for Kajabago to say that the objective of a federal structure is for the Kabaka to extract money from individuals for personal use, is preposterous and an insult to our King. The land in contention is the afore-mentioned 9000 sq. miles of Buganda land which was transferred from the colonial authority to the Buganda Land Board in 1962 and then grabbed by Obote, who
Re: [Ugnet] The concept of Federo: A case study - Monitor-October17-23, 2004
Why don't you ask your friend in Lusaka ? Since he grabbed it and moved it to Uganda Land Commission, it has never been returned. What then is your 2004 view of land ? Is it the same as the NRM Land Act of 1998 ? From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] The concept of Federo: A case study - Monitor-October17-23, 2004 Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 08:27:13 -0500 Kasangwawo Even if you are right about the land, but this is 2004 and not 1300. So a whole lot of things in Uganda have changed, the only problem is that Buganda kingdom still think it is leaving in 1300. And that is what many Ugandans are trying to explain very hard to Mengo. Secondly can you kindly tell us where that 9000 miles of land is located? Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 8:02 AM Subject: RE: [Ugnet] The concept of Federo: A case study - Monitor -October17-23, 2004 In The concept of Federo : A case study Kajabago-ka-Rusoke talks about everything else - colonisation, land, et cetera - except about federo. Even then, his understanding of mailo land and its origin leaves a lot to be desired. He thinks that the Kabaka and his chiefs didn't own land until some Europeans arrived and dished out some as a gift. Nothing can be further from the truth. Even before the arrival of the colonialists, the Kabaka was (infact he still is) the largest landowner in what is now known as Uganda, in that he held in trust most of the land in Buganda. What the 1900 Agreement did was to reorganize the distribution of land in Buganda. The colonial authority awarded itself 10550 sq. miles (1500 forests, 9000 uncultivated land and 50 for govt. stations); 350 sq. miles went to the Kabaka; 8000 sq. miles went to one thousand private landowners who had given great service for Buganda and who were actually already in possession of these estates (calculated at an average of 8 sq. miles per individual); 320 sq. miles went to Ssaza chiefs and their official estates; the rest went to Mbogo the moslem chief, Kamuswaga the chief of Kooki, the Kabaka's relatives, the 3 regents at the time and to missionary societies. Altogether 19600 sq. miles. Therefore, for Kajabago to say that the objective of a federal structure is for the Kabaka to extract money from individuals for personal use, is preposterous and an insult to our King. The land in contention is the afore-mentioned 9000 sq. miles of Buganda land which was transferred from the colonial authority to the Buganda Land Board in 1962 and then grabbed by Obote, who declared that it belonged to the Central Government and moved it to the Uganda Land Commission. What Buganda is saying is that it should revert to the Buganda Land Board where it rightly belongs. On the other hand, this government is saying that they don't know where this land is, although Kiwanuka Ssemakula at the same time is saying that there are people with leases on it. Instead of questioning the King's motive, Mr Kajabago should ask the NRM government to explain to the public, exactly who sold leases to these people and where this land is, since it is still in the hands of the Central Government. The Baganda already had a sophisticated and well-organized system of land tenure and ownership even before the arrival of the Europeans. The majority of Buganda land was held as 'bibanja' under customary tenancy. All the bibanja holders had security of tenure and their payment of 'busuulu' to the landlord tantamounted to proof of ownership. That meant that a kibanja owner could sell, transfer or inherit the said land. The bibanja holders were not thrown off the land and were quite happy to keep things as they were. In any case, one had the option to buy the land outright, thereby turning it into freehold. Mailo land was therefore not a problem for the Baganda, that is, until Amin came in with the 1975 Land Decree which took away bibanja holders' rights. That said, the obsession of this government, especially its leader, with Buganda land has not been lost to the keen observer. This government has tried to grab Buganda land using all sorts of dubious means and justifications. Instead of revoking Amin's decree, the NRM government aggravated the problem by legitimizing illegal settlement and unlawful occupancy by a minority that had used guns and their positions of influence to occupy the said land. The 1998 Land Act was directed at Buganda land and was intended to give illegal squatters the right to attain titles and registrable interests on this land. Incidentally, the time limit, 12 years, which
RE: [Ugnet] The concept of Federo: A case study - Monitor - October17-23, 2004
In The concept of Federo : A case study Kajabago-ka-Rusoke talks about everything else - colonisation, land, et cetera - except about federo. Even then, his understanding of mailo land and its origin leaves a lot to be desired. He thinks that the Kabaka and his chiefs didn't own land until some Europeans arrived and dished out some as a gift. Nothing can be further from the truth. Even before the arrival of the colonialists, the Kabaka was (infact he still is) the largest landowner in what is now known as Uganda, in that he held in trust most of the land in Buganda. What the 1900 Agreement did was to reorganize the distribution of land in Buganda. The colonial authority awarded itself 10550 sq. miles (1500 forests, 9000 uncultivated land and 50 for govt. stations); 350 sq. miles went to the Kabaka; 8000 sq. miles went to one thousand private landowners who had given great service for Buganda and who were actually already in possession of these estates (calculated at an average of 8 sq. miles per individual); 320 sq. miles went to Ssaza chiefs and their official estates; the rest went to Mbogo the moslem chief, Kamuswaga the chief of Kooki, the Kabaka's relatives, the 3 regents at the time and to missionary societies. Altogether 19600 sq. miles. Therefore, for Kajabago to say that the objective of a federal structure is for the Kabaka to extract money from individuals for personal use, is preposterous and an insult to our King. The land in contention is the afore-mentioned 9000 sq. miles of Buganda land which was transferred from the colonial authority to the Buganda Land Board in 1962 and then grabbed by Obote, who declared that it belonged to the Central Government and moved it to the Uganda Land Commission. What Buganda is saying is that it should revert to the Buganda Land Board where it rightly belongs. On the other hand, this government is saying that they don't know where this land is, although Kiwanuka Ssemakula at the same time is saying that there are people with leases on it. Instead of questioning the King's motive, Mr Kajabago should ask the NRM government to explain to the public, exactly who sold leases to these people and where this land is, since it is still in the hands of the Central Government. The Baganda already had a sophisticated and well-organized system of land tenure and ownership even before the arrival of the Europeans. The majority of Buganda land was held as 'bibanja' under customary tenancy. All the bibanja holders had security of tenure and their payment of 'busuulu' to the landlord tantamounted to proof of ownership. That meant that a kibanja owner could sell, transfer or inherit the said land. The bibanja holders were not thrown off the land and were quite happy to keep things as they were. In any case, one had the option to buy the land outright, thereby turning it into freehold. Mailo land was therefore not a problem for the Baganda, that is, until Amin came in with the 1975 Land Decree which took away bibanja holders' rights. That said, the obsession of this government, especially its leader, with Buganda land has not been lost to the keen observer. This government has tried to grab Buganda land using all sorts of dubious means and justifications. Instead of revoking Amin's decree, the NRM government aggravated the problem by legitimizing illegal settlement and unlawful occupancy by a minority that had used guns and their positions of influence to occupy the said land. The 1998 Land Act was directed at Buganda land and was intended to give illegal squatters the right to attain titles and registrable interests on this land. Incidentally, the time limit, 12 years, which was specified in the Act for legitimizing occupancy was exactly the number of years the NRM had been in power. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out who profited from this law. All in all, Kajabago-ka-Rusoke's state of mind is very typical of so-called cadres who can't imagine that a person can do something for the good of his people and not just for personal gain. His standpoint is very telling of NRM ideologues - their driving motive to join politics is to assert themselves economically. I strongly doubt that the NRM reflects the social and economic will of the majority as he wants to make us believe, rather the aim, we are told, is to create a middle class (made up mainly of one ethnic group and through embezzlement and robbing of state coffers). It is not Uganda they are thinking about, it is about filling their stomachs. Kasangwawo From: Omar Kezimbira [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Ugnet] The concept of Federo: A case study - Monitor - October17-23, 2004 Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:54:21 -0700 (PDT) The concept of Federo: A case study By Kajabago-ka-Rusoke Oct 17 - 23, 2004 Federo is a concocted term from the word Federal by politicians from Buganda.
Re: [Ugnet] Poor shun Uganda's celebration (attn Mulindwa)
Mw. Nume, our friend is unaware that a lot of the Baganda had gone to Butambala instead ! Kasangwawo From: Simon Nume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Poor shun Uganda's celebration (attn Mulindwa) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 02:08:42 -0700 (PDT) Mulindwa Then why didn't the non Baganda go to support M7 if they are in the majority ? hahaha Nume Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nume You still think that Kampala business is carried out by Baganda and only Baganda. No wonder man you support Mengo's claim of Kampala. The last time I checked, Kampala was full of all Ugandans but again that is me. Em The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: Simon Nume To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Poor shun Uganda's celebration (attn Mulindwa) Mulindwa You were wondering about how many Baganda like the Kabaka. The real title should have been Baganda Shun Independence celebrations Nume Matek Opoko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Poor shun Independence Day celebrations By Agnes Nandutu Peter Nyanzi Oct 11, 2004 KAMPALA As celebrations went on in Kololo to mark the countrys 42nd Independence Day anniversary, many Ugandans went on with normal business. A mini survey by The Monitor in Kampalas business district showed that most shops were open as usual. Most people said they were too poor to celebrate the day. Mr Mesach Migadde, a secondhand shoe vendor in St. Balikuddembe Market, said he did not have the luxury to celebrate independence when he had nothing to eat. Let those in government celebrate, he said. Mr Andrew Kalule, a businessman at Nakivubo Mews, said, Independence in poverty is useless. A nation without money is not independent. Mr Abubaker Male, a 53-year-old butcher, said the day did not make much difference because we are still in the hands of the whites in IMF and the World Bank. So what kind of independence are you talking about? he asked. Mr Patrick Ssevume, a boda-boda rider, said he did not take Independence Day seriously because even the government does not. In the past, there used to be flags everywhere in the city on Independence Day. Look around now, what is there in the city to show that today is Independence Day? he asked. Mr Lule Swaib, who sells agricultural chemicals, said Ugandans could not be independent when they are not yet economically independent. © 2004 The Monitor Publications - - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today!___ Ugandanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! - ___ Ugandanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/___ Ugandanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Ugandanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/ ___ Ugandanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/
Re: [Ugnet] Byaama Bya Buganda Vol 1 #3\ Bwambuga Part1\ Mulindwa
What a load of ballocks ! Buganda had an elected Lukiiko until your friend in Lusaka attacked federalism. So it is not a new phenomenon and this would be just a re-establishment. That said, you actually seem to be confused about what you want. First you say that Mengo should have started with getting a mandate from Buganda. An elected Lukiiko. And now you want to go back to 1300 and say that we should have an unelected Lukiiko because 'it works'. Which one do you want ? Man, you've been too long out of Uganda. From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Byaama Bya Buganda Vol 1 #3\ Bwambuga Part1\ Mulindwa Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:29:59 -0400 Omukulu Ssenyange Because Buganda Kingdom is a cultural entity, that is how and why it was created, and it is federalists turning it to a political entity that will force the election in its lukiiko. A true reverse of its creation right from 1300. Our King is not elected and Lukiiko is not elected. Turn Mengo back to its true purpose and no one will ask for an election in Mengo for the system was built and it works. Listen to your self Mr. Ssenyange, Uganda constitution to give power to Mengo to have an election, how much do you want to involve Uganda government into our cultural institution? It even amazes that you truly believe Mengo can make a proposed constitution with un-elected Lukiiko to create an elected one. But that is what we are missing the most in Mengo, critical thinking. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: ssenya nyange [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Byaama Bya Buganda Vol 1 #3\ Bwambuga Part1\ Mulindwa Mulindwa, Read Buganda's draft\ proposed constituion on www.buganda.com You will find out that it will be an elected Lukiiko plus representative of Abataka, Kabaka, women youth just like Uganda's parliament. THE PRESENT UGANDA'S CONSTITUION DOES NOT GIVE POWERS TO MENGO TO HAVE A AN ELECTED PALIAMENT, MINISTERS ETC. Those are Kabaka's Buganda's \ Kabaka's ministers which are not backed up by law. So, how can you expect an election? Who will give a day off to Baganda to elect? Who allowed Baganda to make campaign rallies or even gather outside to speak politics? Will the campaigners speak CULTURE ONLY? Whoever does not get this in his head must be eating with Museveni, e.g Mulindwa SSenyange -- From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Byaama Bya Buganda Vol 1 #3\ Bwambuga Part1 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:32:42 -0400 Ssenyange before Mengo went to Museveni, Mengo should have started with getting a mandate from Buganda. An elected Lukiiko. I do not know who are my represententatives in Mengo. Do you? Second they should have sat with other regions then from that meeting a memorandum of understanding should have been drafted by all regions then taken to Uganda government. And I have explained this to you over and over, but I guess it is too philosophical. So the question becomes, Mengo wanted federalism, who do they want to federate with? Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: ssenya nyange [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Byaama Bya Buganda Vol 1 #3\ Bwambuga Part1 Mr Bwambuga, You should not blame Mengo for the inaction of others regions. Mengo tries to put up a collective bergain first by pulling together all other Ugandan cultural institution but as usual, Mu7 refused to meet them as one team. He decided to meet them one by one before they could make a strong team. What transpired everybody knows. If you dont know, read my second forwarded email part2. For those who dont know Mu7 who have termed it traitorship of the decade. This part 2 will l give you 95% of the situation which is happening and will continue to happen until Mu7 is ... J. Ssenyange -- - Wambuga To be realistic, what exactly is new here? I think Buganda is missing out for we have failed to be critical thinkers, has it taken us this a-far to realize that Museveni can never be trusted? Can Buganda tell me any single thing that Museveni has ever done to entice any one to trust him? Today in 2004 late Buganda is remembering to
Re: [Ugnet] Fwd: Can the President survive the sting and sentimentofMengo?
What a daft question ! What you should be asking is: How many Baganda (and I mean Baganda) DO NOT like the Kabaka ? Kasangwawo From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Fwd: Can the President survive the sting and sentimentofMengo? Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:42:38 -0400 Nume How many Baganda like Kabaka? Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: Simon Nume To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Fwd: Can the President survive the sting and sentiment ofMengo? Musamize Where does the Monitor get these fools who write such articles from ? In another Monitor article of the same day Ssemakula Kiwanuka is quoted as saying that the elite Baganda are not behind the Kabaka. Now this writer tells us that the rural Baganda are behind M7 not the Kabaka, since he M7 toured the villages and came to that conclusion. Copying from Mutufu; hehehehe Nume musamize ssemakula [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note: forwarded message attached. Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 11:41:43 -0700 (PDT) From: J Ssemakula Subject: Can the President survive the sting and sentiment of Mengo? To: Buganda Discussion , [EMAIL PROTECTED], baana Can the President survive the sting and sentiment of Mengo? INSIDE WHITE PAPER: By Charles Etukuri Sept 29 - Oct 06, 2004 The Cabinet White Paper recommendation that cultural leaders be subjected to Parliamentary control has left many gasping in disbelief - and others seething with rage - as it means that for the first time, a popularly elected legislature could have powers to unseat one born a king. The move specificall y targets Buganda where the Kabakaship is regarded as sacred and untouchable. The Mengo government had actually calculated that by bringing their demands for federal status at the time when the 2006 elections were nearing would have brought the government to its knees. The mathematics of Mengo was the federo demands could be a trade off with the third term project. Mengo partially succeeded in as far as it was able to bring the President to meeting them.and that was all. The threats and arm-twisting that characterised the talks suggest there was no genuineness in the talks; Mengo pushing with threats and Government content to delay and lengthen the talking while promising nothing really substantial. Mengo remained entirely conservative and fixed, asking for federal status, Kampala city and the famous 9000 square miles. Government gave out a few concessions like Mengo municipality instead of Kampala, a regional tier instead of federal status and two councils instead of one Kabaka-appointed Lukiiko. With this position President Museveni was aided in that it partially portrayed him as the genuine party with the talks and because of the conservativeness of Mengo he opted to instead to meet his people who speak his Ekisanja language the Local council, who in effect entirely endorsed his view in amidst of the talks with Mengo. The failed talks have been followed by this latest bombshell that would have the effect of not only trimming the Kabaka's already short wings; but could also see him shown the door by what is in Luganda speak, the bakopi or peasantry. This is arguably a classic ba rometer of the President's confidence: that he has a broader assured support outside Buganda and a fair one in Buganda that would be enough to make him win an election. President Museveni has consistently been on the mark as saying that he can as well win the elections without Buganda apparently having toured the countryside the President is assured there is rural support to back him up. The President's support seems to lie in the peasants right from the bush days to date. It's on these that his hopes for Ekisanja rest, not the elite, ultra-conservatives in Mengo. The federo demands had an effect of challenging his peasantry support and bowing down to demands like the 9000 square miles could in effect never have been acceptable to him. Within urban Buganda Museveni often fares badly. But in the villages he is just a notch lower than a demi-god. Addressing the nation on star FM recently, the President said he was aware that Mengo didn't support him even in 1996 and 2001 ; but pointed out that he wasn't scared. Museveni has the political support across Buganda and this political support is in the hands of local council officials whom he preferred to meet, Resident District Commissioners, among other officials
[Ugnet] RE: [FedsNet] Mengo Are Liars - Ssemakula
Professor Ssemakula Kiwanuka tries to distort reality by presenting the 'election' of Kabaka as if it is through universal suffrage. This has never been the case. The reality is that the Lukiiko normally endorses the wish of the previous Kabaka. This unwritten reality has been captured by the drafters of the 'Constitution of Buganda under a federal arrangement' (to be found at: www.federo.com), which attempts to streamline the succession to the Buganda throne. I don't know which era he specialized in, but as a professor in History, he would surely be aware that Daudi Chwa II chose Muteesa II as his heir in his will (1935) and Muteesa II did the same when he appointed Mutebi II as his heir. Both were accepted by the Lukiiko and Baganda as their Kabaka. The only instance when this would not work would be if the heir is not mentally capable of taking up his duties as Kabaka. Our history, therefore, shows that the so-called 'election' of the Kabaka which the dear professor is talking about has never been a reality. Kasangwawo From: Simon Nume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FedsNet] Mengo Are Liars - Ssemakula Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 02:59:14 -0700 (PDT) Mengo are liars - Ssemakula By Agnes Nandutu Sept 28, 2004 KAMPALA - The President, while denying Mengo several demands during federal negotiations, offered the kingdom Shs100 billion. The State Minister for Luweero Triangle, Prof. Ssemakula Kiwanuka, talked about the offer yesterday during a press conference at his office. He talked about the negotiations and denied reports that he disowned the White Paper. We say Shs100 billion shall accompany what you have been given and you say you dont want it? it beats my understanding when you refuse such an amount of money to the people, Ssemakula said. He said the money would help the secondary, tertiary, technical education, referral hospitals and cultural projects. He said he does not see a good reason why Mengo denied Baganda all this money from government. Semakula, who said he is the right person to speak on the negotiations because he has been part of the talks since last year, said Mengo has not told the country the truth of what transpired in the negotiations with Museveni. They lie that Museveni dictated. He never did so, they are liars, he said. He said Mengo and Government agreed on everything apart from the two Lukikos councils. He said they agreed on leaving the collection of taxes to the central government, on regional tier, and on Kampala to remains the countrys capital city and outside Buganda control. He said Mengo wanted to give options for any district to opt out of the tier if it was not comfortable and Buganda to have its own constitution,ideas Museveni rejected. He said he thanked the Katikiro for withdrawing the collection of taxes. I thanked the Katikiro for removing the burden from our Kabaka because Buganda doesnt want to pay taxes. he said. Semakula said it was wrong forMengo people to blame government for not giving them 9,000 square miles it wants.That land, he said is not government land.It is public land and under the authority of the districts. He said Mengo and Museveni only disagreed on the two Lukikos. He said the White Paper was delayed for two months because of those disagreements. Semakula said he does not see why Mengo rejected two Lukikos when they already exist. It is wrong, he said, to say that two Lukikos have never existed in Buganda when they really do. . He said the Katikiro heads the political one and Mbazira chairs the cultural one. That is why the Kabaka is called the Sebataka because he is the chief of the two Lukikos, he said. The minister said because the white was delayed and they had not agreed on whether to have one or two Lukikos, Museveni suggested that parliament decides but Mengo rejected that. They rejected and announced fedrom egganyi meaning federal has failed. They have an agenda. They want to make federal an election issue. He said. Semakula also called people who are criticizing the government white paper ignorant to say that since kings are not elected then they should not be unseated. Go and enlighten them, he said they are very ignorant, even the MPs like Nsambu dont know that the Kabaka is elected according to Enono culture. Quoting the Buganda agreement and the 1962 constitution which Semakula said the Baganda cherish so much for giving them federal, said the king is supposed to be elected by the Buganda Lukiko council. The Kabaka who is the ruler of Buganda , shall be elected by the majority of votes in the Lukiko. he quoted from article two of the 1962 Constitution. All the balangila the descendants of Mutesa 1are eligible to sit on that throne. Why do go around saying that the king is not elected? he asked. About the White Paper recommendation to unseat the kings, semakula said he does not see that
[Ugnet] RE: [FedsNet] Prof. Nsibambi wants democratic Buganda - Sunday Vision 26/9/2004
Dear Editor, Look who's talking ! In Nsibambi wants democratic Buganda September 26, 2004, the professor says that Mengo leaders need to be elected so that they are financially and politically accountable to the people. Could the good professor tell the public exactly who elected him to the post of leader of government business and, if this wasn't the case, whether he is therefore not accountable to the people but only to the person who appointed him ? The Movement government seems to want to have its cake and eat it too. Not long ago in July 2004 the same prof. warned Mengo not to meddle in politics because it was a cultural institution. Now he wants us to elect ! Why all this fuss about elections if its just a cultural institution ? Buganda is not demanding for a 'special status' but for a framework and structures for a genuine federal system to be put in place. Only then can people meaningfully elect their regional governments. Jonah Kasangwawo From: Omar Kezimbira [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FedsNet] Prof. Nsibambi wants democratic Buganda - Sunday Vision 26/9/2004 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 01:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Nsibambi wants democratic Buganda BE CALM: Prime Minister Apolo Nsibambi has urged Buganda to follow law By Vision reporter PRIME MINISTER Prof. Apolo Nsibambi has said that Buganda must democratise to solve its persistent political problems with the government. He also criticised some peoples desire to restore Bugandas historical special status. Nsibambi, in an 11-page article, said Bugandas main problem is that its political leaders, led by the Katikkiro, are not elected and therefore not necessarily financially and politically accountable to the people of Buganda. To the extent that they are appointed by the Kabaka, they are accountable to him. Consequently, these leaders sometimes fail to capture and serve the short-term and long-term interests of the silent majority of the people of Buganda, Nsibambi said. The suggested cabinet cure to the problem is that the Katikkiro and majority of political leaders of Mengo must be directly elected, Nsibambi, who said he was writing in good faith, said. Those of us who still believe in a democratic form of federalism feel that it cannot be achieved overnight. It is a process. The proposed democratic regional tier can be an important facilitator towards realising democratic federalism, said Nsibambi, who was President Yoweri Musevenis nominee to the Constituent Assembly, where he advocated a democratic federal system of government. Published on: Sunday, 26th September, 2004 Email this article to a friend - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ Ugandanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/
Re: ugnet_: BOMBAY TO RUN BUGANDA\ Mulindwa
Mulindwa, I presume you have evidence that I said 'all elected Baganda MP's who back third term do not speak for Buganda'. Could you please produce it ! But lets get back to the issue at hand, shall we ? Is there, in your limited understanding of the English language, no difference between 'running Buganda' and 'pledging to serve Buganda' ? Kasangwawo From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: BOMBAY TO RUN BUGANDA\ Mulindwa Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 19:43:23 -0400 Kasangwawo How can you talk for Buganda with authority, all elected Baganda MP's who back third term you stated they do not speak for Buganda, how can you an un-elected Ugandan speak for Buganda? Your statement There is no way Bombay is to run Buganda refers. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 9:19 AM Subject: Re: ugnet_: BOMBAY TO RUN BUGANDA\ Mulindwa Mulindwa, either the English language is playing games on you again or you are intentionally trying to twist what I said. I have no problem with the Kabaka and Baganda being called Buganda. What I do have a problem with is your sentationalist use of subject headings. You might not be aware of the nuances of the English words you use, but there is indeed a difference between 'running Buganda' and humbly 'pledging to serve Buganda'. There is no way Bombay is to run Buganda. Educate yourself a littler bit more in the usage of the English language ! It doesn't hurt. Kasangwawo From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: BOMBAY TO RUN BUGANDA\ Mulindwa Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:39:49 -0400 A very interesting illogical twist indeed, When Buganda ministers support third term those are not representatives of Buganda, when Mr. Singh serves Kabaka and Baganda that is not Buganda, so when is Buganda actually represented ever? And where did I ever state that Mr. Singh serving in Buganda was a crime? The days continue to be strange indeed. Em The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 8:58 AM Subject: RE: ugnet_: BOMBAY TO RUN BUGANDA\ Mulindwa Mw. Ssenyange, this is nothing new from our friend, he most probably didn't even read the whole article. He just read the title and thought he could come up with one of his nonsensical headings. Look here, Mr. Myopic-Mulindwa-man, The official, Mr Singh, plegded to serve the Kabaka and his people, not to run Buganda as you are trying to make out. Can you give an example of any other area of Uganda which is as non-sectarian as Buganda ? Kasangwawo From: ssenya nyange [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ugnet_: BOMBAY TO RUN BUGANDA\ Mulindwa Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:06:09 -0400 Mulindwa, You're very st... On one hand you acuse Buganda of sectarian, segregative, and that its against non Baganda. When proof of evidence is shown, you come out with gabbage like your heading Bombay to run Buganda. Why dont you shut up if you have nothing better to talk about?. J. Ssenyange From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: BOMBAY TO RUN BUGANDA Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:57:39 -0400 Buganda appoints Asian By Robert Mwanje June 20, 2004 KAMPALA - Buganda government officials have commended the appointment of an Asian on the Kingdom's welfare and works committee. The Katikkiro of Buganda, Mr Joseph Ssemwogere, said new people would moot new ideas - for development. He explained that whoever lives in Buganda is a subject of the Kabaka and should be ready to serve the Kingdom. We are not segregative any more. Anybody who lives in Buganda should participate in its development, he said. Kabaka Ronald Muwenda Mutebi last week appointed Kampala central division councilor, Mr Singh Parminder Katongole on the welfare committee. Katikkiro Semwogerere said the Kabaka would continue to appoint non-Baganda who live in the region and are willing to serve. This is not the last to happen, more people may
Re: ugnet_: BOMBAY TO RUN BUGANDA\ Mulindwa
Mulindwa, either the English language is playing games on you again or you are intentionally trying to twist what I said. I have no problem with the Kabaka and Baganda being called Buganda. What I do have a problem with is your sentationalist use of subject headings. You might not be aware of the nuances of the English words you use, but there is indeed a difference between 'running Buganda' and humbly 'pledging to serve Buganda'. There is no way Bombay is to run Buganda. Educate yourself a littler bit more in the usage of the English language ! It doesn't hurt. Kasangwawo From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: BOMBAY TO RUN BUGANDA\ Mulindwa Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:39:49 -0400 A very interesting illogical twist indeed, When Buganda ministers support third term those are not representatives of Buganda, when Mr. Singh serves Kabaka and Baganda that is not Buganda, so when is Buganda actually represented ever? And where did I ever state that Mr. Singh serving in Buganda was a crime? The days continue to be strange indeed. Em The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 8:58 AM Subject: RE: ugnet_: BOMBAY TO RUN BUGANDA\ Mulindwa Mw. Ssenyange, this is nothing new from our friend, he most probably didn't even read the whole article. He just read the title and thought he could come up with one of his nonsensical headings. Look here, Mr. Myopic-Mulindwa-man, The official, Mr Singh, plegded to serve the Kabaka and his people, not to run Buganda as you are trying to make out. Can you give an example of any other area of Uganda which is as non-sectarian as Buganda ? Kasangwawo From: ssenya nyange [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ugnet_: BOMBAY TO RUN BUGANDA\ Mulindwa Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:06:09 -0400 Mulindwa, You're very st... On one hand you acuse Buganda of sectarian, segregative, and that its against non Baganda. When proof of evidence is shown, you come out with gabbage like your heading Bombay to run Buganda. Why dont you shut up if you have nothing better to talk about?. J. Ssenyange From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: BOMBAY TO RUN BUGANDA Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:57:39 -0400 Buganda appoints Asian By Robert Mwanje June 20, 2004 KAMPALA - Buganda government officials have commended the appointment of an Asian on the Kingdom's welfare and works committee. The Katikkiro of Buganda, Mr Joseph Ssemwogere, said new people would moot new ideas - for development. He explained that whoever lives in Buganda is a subject of the Kabaka and should be ready to serve the Kingdom. We are not segregative any more. Anybody who lives in Buganda should participate in its development, he said. Kabaka Ronald Muwenda Mutebi last week appointed Kampala central division councilor, Mr Singh Parminder Katongole on the welfare committee. Katikkiro Semwogerere said the Kabaka would continue to appoint non-Baganda who live in the region and are willing to serve. This is not the last to happen, more people may be appointed to serve the Kabaka, Ssemwogere said. The official, Mr Singh, plegded to serve the Kabaka and his people. He said that Buganda is strategically located and has more chances to develop rapidly. What Buganda needs is to refocus its strategies depending on its resources, there is no reason why Baganda are not rich, he said. © 2004 The Monitor Publications The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie _ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=ht tp://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug This service is hosted on the Infocom network http
RE: ugnet_: BEWARE OF BUGANDA
Ed, you are going to have a lot of difficulties making him understand that sentence. Maybe you could break it down for him into a few simple sentences. Kasangwawo From: Ed Kironde [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ugnet_: BEWARE OF BUGANDA Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:26:03 -0600 Edward Try to read that statement in English -UPC roots its base in Buganda conspiracy and syndicalism; it does not mean UPC is owned by Buganda. If a Ugandan party roots its base in Mao Tsetungs philosophy, that does not mean that the party is owned by Chinese. Common now There are known knowns - there are things that we know that we know. There are known unknowns - that is to say, there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns ... things we do not know we don't know. And each year we discover a few more of those unknown unknowns. Us Secretary of Defense 2001 -? Donald Rumsfeld -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Mulindwa Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 7:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: BEWARE OF BUGANDA UPC roots its base in Buganda conspiracy and syndicalism What would have you said if UPC was not a Baganda political party, can you imagine if UPC was owned by Northerners ? The days are strange indeed Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Ed Kironde To: HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 8:30 PM Subject: RE: ugnet_: BEWARE OF BUGANDA Humphrey K. Rugambanengwe is subjected to his own opinion and analysis, whether right or wrong. One would also tell you that UPC was preparing to be in the opposition after DPs victory. This alliance of convenience was only the second option. Allegations are that the DP leader, since he was the victor, saw it that it was only fair that anyone who wanted to form an alliance had to travel to Entebbe and meet with him to negotiate an alliance. UPC saw a window of opportunity and compromised their mutual fears with KY. It was a loose-loose situation with the Kingdom of Buganda. Why? Had the Kabaka of Buganda traveled to meet the DP leader so as to form a government, the journey in itself would have undermined his authority. Failure to do so was not safe either a mugwira or Munnamawange Obote if you like, instead traveled to meet the Kabaka. The usual weekend quarterbacks psyched that omigwira Botte yasinza Ben ensumika loosely interpreted to mean: where a fellow Muganda failed, a non-Baganda succeeded (in destroying the Kingdom?) So the Baganda ushered in Obote, the Baganda ushered in Idi Amin, the Baganda ushered in the Movement and now Baganda are said to be a pillar in ushering in the third term, as per Rugambanengwe. If Baganda have been successful in the past, is this the first time they are bound fail? All along, the message to the rest of the country, Buganda has been the boogieman of the country: BEWARE OF BUGANDA is the unwritten foundation onto which UPC stands. I have mentioned before that like Christianity being founded on the original sin, UPC roots its base in Buganda conspiracy and syndicalism and BTW, that is my own personal opinion right or right. There are known knowns - there are things that we know that we know. There are known unknowns - that is to say, there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns ... things we do not know we don't know. And each year we discover a few more of those unknown unknowns. Us Secretary of Defense 2001 -? Donald Rumsfeld -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Mulindwa Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 2:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: BEWARE OF BUGANDA Beware of Buganda A close look at our history shows that Buganda is so far largely to blame for Ugandas political troubles since independence. Buganda dumped Ben Kiwanuka (RIP) for Dr Milton Obote through the UPC/ KY Alliance. The reward they got was a heinous attack on the Kabakas Palace. The above stand-off made them shift their allegiance in favour of Idi Amin Dada, ironically the champion of the attack on Kabakaship. The socio-economic and political havoc wreaked by Amin, is well documented. Buganda treated Obotes second coming with suspicion, making them to enthusiastically support the 1981/86 resistance in Luwero and other parts of Buganda. The country is yet to recover from the after effects of that vicious conflict. Sadly, Buganda is indefatigably at it again. So far, they are the unrivalled sponsors of ekisanja, euphemism for life presidency. Perhaps, Mr. Ian Kyeyune- the Wakiso District Chairman, a
RE: ugnet_: BOMBAY TO RUN BUGANDA\ Mulindwa
Mw. Ssenyange, this is nothing new from our friend, he most probably didn't even read the whole article. He just read the title and thought he could come up with one of his nonsensical headings. Look here, Mr. Myopic-Mulindwa-man, The official, Mr Singh, plegded to serve the Kabaka and his people, not to run Buganda as you are trying to make out. Can you give an example of any other area of Uganda which is as non-sectarian as Buganda ? Kasangwawo From: ssenya nyange [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ugnet_: BOMBAY TO RUN BUGANDA\ Mulindwa Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:06:09 -0400 Mulindwa, You're very st... On one hand you acuse Buganda of sectarian, segregative, and that its against non Baganda. When proof of evidence is shown, you come out with gabbage like your heading Bombay to run Buganda. Why dont you shut up if you have nothing better to talk about?. J. Ssenyange From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: BOMBAY TO RUN BUGANDA Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:57:39 -0400 Buganda appoints Asian By Robert Mwanje June 20, 2004 KAMPALA - Buganda government officials have commended the appointment of an Asian on the Kingdom's welfare and works committee. The Katikkiro of Buganda, Mr Joseph Ssemwogere, said new people would moot new ideas - for development. He explained that whoever lives in Buganda is a subject of the Kabaka and should be ready to serve the Kingdom. We are not segregative any more. Anybody who lives in Buganda should participate in its development, he said. Kabaka Ronald Muwenda Mutebi last week appointed Kampala central division councilor, Mr Singh Parminder Katongole on the welfare committee. Katikkiro Semwogerere said the Kabaka would continue to appoint non-Baganda who live in the region and are willing to serve. This is not the last to happen, more people may be appointed to serve the Kabaka, Ssemwogere said. The official, Mr Singh, plegded to serve the Kabaka and his people. He said that Buganda is strategically located and has more chances to develop rapidly. What Buganda needs is to refocus its strategies depending on its resources, there is no reason why Baganda are not rich, he said. © 2004 The Monitor Publications The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie _ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
RE: ugnet_: Africa Intelligence... you are ecounrage to join !
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Re: ugnet_: 17anti third term activists remanded
Yes sir, understood. But maybe you should have started by scolding your pal who called others stupid. Kasangwawo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: 17anti third term activists remanded Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:26:55 -0400 wow dude...did you say nicomp what? Let analyse issues here and stop name calling ..were are not around an Ajono Mutungi! Comprehende!! MK This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: ugnet_: 17anti third term activists remanded
Yes sir, understood. But maybe you should have started by scolding your pal who called others stupid. Kasangwawo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: 17anti third term activists remanded Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:26:55 -0400 wow dude...did you say nicomp what? Let analyse issues here and stop name calling ..were are not around an Ajono Mutungi! Comprehende!! MK This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
RE: ugnet_: Bunyoro LC5 Chiefs Back Sad Term
Mw. Nume, I suppose these must be Baganda masquerading as someone else (according to some people's thinking). Everything has to be tribalized, you see. Kasangwawo From: Simon Nume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Bunyoro LC5 Chiefs Back Sad Term Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Bunyoro LC5 chiefs back third term By Amlan Tumusiime District chairpersons from Bunyoro region have backed a third term in office for President Yoweri Museveni. The LC5 chiefs, George Nyamyaka (Kibaale), John Nyakoojo Majara (Masindi) and George Tinkasiimire Bagonza (Hoima) said this in a joint statement at the 10th Bunyoro Empango celebrations held at the Karuziika on Friday. Majara read out the statement. It read, For us the district chairpersons of Bunyoro, we still want Museveni to lead us and we are only asking him to reward us for the support we have been giving him for many years. The leaders asked the Government to give Bunyoro more developmental programmes in appreciation of the regions support to the Movement Government. The Third deputy Prime Minister, Henry Kajura, who was the chief guest, told Omukama Solomon Iguru that the President loved him a lot and because of that, he has arranged to meet you in Kampala next week. Former president Godfrey Binaisa and ministers Baguma Isoke and Benina Mukiibi attended. Published on: Tuesday, 15th June, 2004 Email this article to a friend. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: ugnet_: 17anti third term activists remanded
I loathe such nincompoops ! Somehow in their wisdom members of this gang think they have the monopoly over knowledge and ability to analyse the situation in Uganda ! From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: 17anti third term activists remanded Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 21:47:04 -0400 Semakula Now NRM is autocracy? I thought that it is me and the mateks the Opokas the GRs who are backwards that do not know how Uganda is doing better? Some how I have a feeling that any of you guys coming here today in 2004 and you oppose this movement, you how just how stupid you are. And I will leave it at that. Em The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: J Ssemakula To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 1:20 PM Subject: RE: ugnet_: 17anti third term activists remanded These political prisoners illustrate the urgent need to unseat the Movement government. Down with autocracy! ssemakula Original Message Follows From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: 17anti third term activists remanded Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:11:48 -0400 17 Anti Third Term Activists Remanded Email This Page Print This Page Visit The Publisher's Site The Monitor (Kampala) June 10, 2004 Posted to the web June 10, 2004 Mwanguhya Charles Mpagi Kampala Seventeen anti third term activists have been remanded in Kalisizo,Masaka. The seventeen are members of a youth pressure group, the Popular Resistance Against Life Presidency. The acting Regional Police Commander, Mr Eric Naigambi, said the youths were arrested in Kyotera town, Masaka on Sunday for holding an illegal assembly. They appeared in court in Kalisizo on Monday and were remanded for two weeks. The youth league of the National Democrats Forum (NDF), which also houses the PRALP at Katonga road in Kampala, issued a statement condemning the arrest. The statement was signed by their chairman Mr Titus Ekimanga. Relevant Links East Africa Legal and Judicial Affairs Uganda Naigambi identified some of those arrested as Mr Zakaria Munakayiba, Mr Waswa Kayondo, Mr Ibrahim Kasozi, Mr Ssozi Abdul, Mr Francis Bbale, Mr Robert Kavuma and Mr Tabu Mohammed. Others are Mr Gonzaga Kalisa, Mr Ssenabulya Katerega, Mr Ssemwanga Kasirye, Mr Badru Zimbe, Mr Paul Lusiba, Mr John Ntumwe, Mr Godfrey Banadda, Ms Rehema Namatovu and Mr Godfrey Kagimu. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug -- Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
RE: ugnet_: leaked information?
Mw. Ssemakula, I was also wondering which of the 10 commandments Kony has not broken. 'Good basis for ruling Uganda' indeed !! Kasangwawo From: J Ssemakula [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ugnet_: leaked information? Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 00:29:14 + _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ---BeginMessage--- I think we are all convinced that Kony would be very effective in ensuring the respect for huma rights -- given what he has done to and for his own people over the past several years... ps: why is his cause? Original Message Follows From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: leaked information? Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 01:18:04 EDT It has been learnt that the Kony movement do have reasons for their struggle. The have reasons that any one willing to know can find out. Unfortunately, Uganda press have simply refused or been prevented from finding those reasons. And they have spoken of the Ten Commandments as if it was something only meant for backwards people. let us stop for a moment and see what the Ten Commandments talk about. I will put briefly: 1.Thou shall have no other God but me 2.Thou shall not take the name of God in vain 3.Remember to keep the Sabbath 4.Honor thy father and mother 5.Thou shall not kill 6.Thou shall not commit adultery 7.Thou shall not steal 8.Thou shall not bear false witness 9.Thou shall not covet thy neighbors wife 10.Thou shall not covet they neighbor's goods. So, if that is what the LRA really want to use as basis for ruling Uganda then I find that they seem to be more interested in steering the country on the right track. This a good thing. But really Kony is talking about: 1 abuse of human rights as it happened in Acholi and elsewhere 2 discrimination on tribal and other lines 3 runaway corruption 4 disrespect for the constitution 5 militarisation of Uganda politics 6 destroying the bas of Uganda economy (shifting it to foreign aid based economy) 7 theft of money from the UCB So why do the newspapers refer to the only aims that LRA has is to rule Uganda according to the Ten Commandments? Most laws and rules in use are based on the Ten Commandments and it is in line with not trying to "reinvent the wheel." It is time to talk peace to LRA irrespective of how they intend to rule Uganda, Maybe they have already achieve their aims and negotiation will bring us out of this morass. Ignoring the fact that Kony has a contentious issue to deal with is failure of leadership on the part of the M7 government Look at carefully Menya Kilat FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug ---End Message---
