Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
Thanks for the tip. I know things like this are doable. But (a) I'm trying to lose this ISP eventually, (b) I dislike using work time for non-job-related stuff, and (c) I really don't like learning new computer routines all the time. I am the kind of guy who likes to jump in his car and speed off, not the kind who likes to stick his head under the hood and fiddle with the components. That's why I rely on and admire IT types like you. I get pounded with emails all day at work, and you see some odd damn things going on in the world of news. Perhaps that's because news events, by their definition, are always just happening, so they never have time to get much practise at the art of existing. Speaking of which, I'm off to one now. -- Tony West thanks! al wrote that you were offline, that's what seemed odd. would something like this help you in future? to post to uclist no matter where you're using a computer?: http://webmail.dca.net/ thanks. but you can appreciate how odd it is when a news story containing a quoted press release is posted onlist, and someone else posts that very same press release an hour later onlist with the explanation that it doesn't seem to have been picked up by the media! BIZZARO DAY IS JUNE 14 [aka ray] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
1) Racial Discrimination has been alleged because of the disproportionate amount of whites in management versus blacks hired for the service side. Research and proof will need to be presented during the forum process. 2) The popular opinion is John became the fall guy for UCD after what many feel was a caving-in from media pressure by CCD and UCD without any real facts against John. 3) We discussed what UCD-Affiliated would mean and suggested excluding employees and Board Members. Residents who donate money would be too loose of a definition. Marty attended the meeting last night representing Councilwoman Blackwell's Office and we discussed his removal from the Board of UCD. Marty stated he is not currently a UCD Board Member. Marty was the Squirrel Hill Representative on the UCD Board and was removed from the Board by UCD when Squirrel Hill refused to submit 3 names for UCD to select their representative for them. Cindy Preston gave testimony to that fact. The UC-Review sent a reporter. S -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doc Baldy Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:17 PM To: S. Sharrieff Ali Cc: University City listserv Subject: Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07 Hi Sharrieff, Thanks for the extensive summary. I'm curious about a few points Racial Discrimination in UCD hiring polices If true, that's pretty serious. Was any evidence presented to support this claim? particularly the treatment of John Fenton. Just to clarify, what specifically was the treatment that was called into question? To date, the only fact I know is that John was suspended with pay. Have any other facts come out that I may have missed in the 1000's of list serve emails about this? Eligibility limited to non-UCD affiliated individuals. Are residents who donate money to UCD considered UCD affiliated? Thanks, Stephen You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
Marty attended the meeting last night representing Councilwoman Blackwell's Office and we discussed his removal from the Board of UCD. Marty stated he is not currently a UCD Board Member. Marty was the Squirrel Hill Representative on the UCD Board and was removed from the Board by UCD when Squirrel Hill refused to submit 3 names for UCD to select their representative for them. Cindy Preston gave testimony to that fact. The UC-Review sent a reporter. Wow. Thanks for reporting this publicly Sharrieff. I previously reported to the list that upon review of the UCD web site, it appeared that Squirell Hill continues to be the only association without a community representative. So this testament strongly suggests that UCD did indeed exclude any association that did not obey the 3 choice command. Again, I want to publicly thank the Squirell Hill Civic Association for the appropriate response and good leadership in our community. Glenn - Original Message - From: S. Sharrieff Ali [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Doc Baldy' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'University City listserv' univcity@list.purple.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 7:42 AM Subject: RE: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07 1) Racial Discrimination has been alleged because of the disproportionate amount of whites in management versus blacks hired for the service side. Research and proof will need to be presented during the forum process. 2) The popular opinion is John became the fall guy for UCD after what many feel was a caving-in from media pressure by CCD and UCD without any real facts against John. 3) We discussed what UCD-Affiliated would mean and suggested excluding employees and Board Members. Residents who donate money would be too loose of a definition. Marty attended the meeting last night representing Councilwoman Blackwell's Office and we discussed his removal from the Board of UCD. Marty stated he is not currently a UCD Board Member. Marty was the Squirrel Hill Representative on the UCD Board and was removed from the Board by UCD when Squirrel Hill refused to submit 3 names for UCD to select their representative for them. Cindy Preston gave testimony to that fact. The UC-Review sent a reporter. S -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doc Baldy Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:17 PM To: S. Sharrieff Ali Cc: University City listserv Subject: Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07 Hi Sharrieff, Thanks for the extensive summary. I'm curious about a few points Racial Discrimination in UCD hiring polices If true, that's pretty serious. Was any evidence presented to support this claim? particularly the treatment of John Fenton. Just to clarify, what specifically was the treatment that was called into question? To date, the only fact I know is that John was suspended with pay. Have any other facts come out that I may have missed in the 1000's of list serve emails about this? Eligibility limited to non-UCD affiliated individuals. Are residents who donate money to UCD considered UCD affiliated? Thanks, Stephen You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/847 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 9:42 PM You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
he is not currently a UCD Board Member. Marty was the Squirrel Hill Representative on the UCD Board and was removed from the Board by UCD when Squirrel Hill refused to submit 3 names for UCD to select their representative for them Sharrieff, One other question for clarification. It sounds like Marty was first on the Board. Then, was Squirrel Hill told to provide 3 names to replace him? And thus, they simply lost a Board seat when they refused? That is how I'm reading this. It's a long time ago, but my recollection is that Marty was on at the very beginning of UCD. I know it was about 5 years ago that I heard of the removal, but not the details. To me, this supports the suggestion, as I understood the Councilwoman's account, that he was removed. I just want to be clear. I think we're getting a much better picture now that we are sharing our stories. Glenn - Original Message - From: S. Sharrieff Ali [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Doc Baldy' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'University City listserv' univcity@list.purple.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 7:42 AM Subject: RE: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07 1) Racial Discrimination has been alleged because of the disproportionate amount of whites in management versus blacks hired for the service side. Research and proof will need to be presented during the forum process. 2) The popular opinion is John became the fall guy for UCD after what many feel was a caving-in from media pressure by CCD and UCD without any real facts against John. 3) We discussed what UCD-Affiliated would mean and suggested excluding employees and Board Members. Residents who donate money would be too loose of a definition. Marty attended the meeting last night representing Councilwoman Blackwell's Office and we discussed his removal from the Board of UCD. Marty stated he is not currently a UCD Board Member. Marty was the Squirrel Hill Representative on the UCD Board and was removed from the Board by UCD when Squirrel Hill refused to submit 3 names for UCD to select their representative for them. Cindy Preston gave testimony to that fact. The UC-Review sent a reporter. S -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doc Baldy Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:17 PM To: S. Sharrieff Ali Cc: University City listserv Subject: Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07 Hi Sharrieff, Thanks for the extensive summary. I'm curious about a few points Racial Discrimination in UCD hiring polices If true, that's pretty serious. Was any evidence presented to support this claim? particularly the treatment of John Fenton. Just to clarify, what specifically was the treatment that was called into question? To date, the only fact I know is that John was suspended with pay. Have any other facts come out that I may have missed in the 1000's of list serve emails about this? Eligibility limited to non-UCD affiliated individuals. Are residents who donate money to UCD considered UCD affiliated? Thanks, Stephen You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/847 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 9:42 PM You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
I really don't want to speak for anyone, we are hoping to uncover the facts in this area through the community process. I don't know that Squirrel Hill has lost a seat on the Board of UCD, it may be Squirrel Hill has chosen not to fill their seat under the current guidelines. S. -Original Message- From: Glenn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 9:05 AM To: S. Sharrieff Ali Cc: 'University City listserv' Subject: Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07 he is not currently a UCD Board Member. Marty was the Squirrel Hill Representative on the UCD Board and was removed from the Board by UCD when Squirrel Hill refused to submit 3 names for UCD to select their representative for them Sharrieff, One other question for clarification. It sounds like Marty was first on the Board. Then, was Squirrel Hill told to provide 3 names to replace him? And thus, they simply lost a Board seat when they refused? That is how I'm reading this. It's a long time ago, but my recollection is that Marty was on at the very beginning of UCD. I know it was about 5 years ago that I heard of the removal, but not the details. To me, this supports the suggestion, as I understood the Councilwoman's account, that he was removed. I just want to be clear. I think we're getting a much better picture now that we are sharing our stories. Glenn - Original Message - From: S. Sharrieff Ali [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Doc Baldy' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'University City listserv' univcity@list.purple.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 7:42 AM Subject: RE: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07 1) Racial Discrimination has been alleged because of the disproportionate amount of whites in management versus blacks hired for the service side. Research and proof will need to be presented during the forum process. 2) The popular opinion is John became the fall guy for UCD after what many feel was a caving-in from media pressure by CCD and UCD without any real facts against John. 3) We discussed what UCD-Affiliated would mean and suggested excluding employees and Board Members. Residents who donate money would be too loose of a definition. Marty attended the meeting last night representing Councilwoman Blackwell's Office and we discussed his removal from the Board of UCD. Marty stated he is not currently a UCD Board Member. Marty was the Squirrel Hill Representative on the UCD Board and was removed from the Board by UCD when Squirrel Hill refused to submit 3 names for UCD to select their representative for them. Cindy Preston gave testimony to that fact. The UC-Review sent a reporter. S -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doc Baldy Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:17 PM To: S. Sharrieff Ali Cc: University City listserv Subject: Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07 Hi Sharrieff, Thanks for the extensive summary. I'm curious about a few points Racial Discrimination in UCD hiring polices If true, that's pretty serious. Was any evidence presented to support this claim? particularly the treatment of John Fenton. Just to clarify, what specifically was the treatment that was called into question? To date, the only fact I know is that John was suspended with pay. Have any other facts come out that I may have missed in the 1000's of list serve emails about this? Eligibility limited to non-UCD affiliated individuals. Are residents who donate money to UCD considered UCD affiliated? Thanks, Stephen You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/847 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 9:42 PM You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
S. Sharrieff Ali wrote: *Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD* * * this is big. I mean, no matter what happens, how things shape up, it's terrific that something public like this even exists. huge. gotta run, more later (thinking of possibilities...) .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [aka laserbeam®] [aka ray] SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. It is very clear on this listserve who these people are. Ray has admitted being connected to this forger. -- Tony West __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
Hi, Sharrieff, I have a couple of thoughts or questions about the points raised earlier by Doc Baldy, to which you responded below: In a message dated 6/14/07 7:45:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1) Racial Discrimination has been alleged because of the disproportionate amount of whites in management versus blacks hired for the service side. Research and proof will need to be presented during the forum process. As you certainly know, racial discrimination is a very serious accusation. In my business, real estate, one would best substantiate a claim by showing that several parties with the same qualifications, but different races, had been treated differently. Does anyone know of any qualified black job applicants who applied to UDC for openings and were turned down? If not, what kind of research and proof does your group expect to be able to present? 2) The popular opinion is John became the fall guy for UCD after what many feel was a caving-in from media pressure by CCD and UCD without any real facts against John. Doesn't it seem that the listserv is exerting more pressure than any other source, on this issue? Although our pressure seems mostly internal, except for its relationship to last Thursday's Glenn Bryan meeting. I noticed that accounts of that meeting made several references to the media being present - to a reporter or reporters, and I thought to a tv crew, though I don't have time to go back and read through every email again to find the accounts. I've been curious, ever since we received word of the events of that meeting, as to whether or not any media reporting was made of it afterwards? I didn't see any mention of reporting. No one posted a link to anything, though we have some pretty talented researchers on the list. Did the media do anything at all, or should we assume that they didn't find it newsworthy? I think the pressure on the UCD may have arisen from 1) appropriate concern about whether or not the law and/or IRS requirements had been compromised; 2) the Councilwoman's strong reactions to her role in the student's accusations; 3) anti BID folks - Al Krigman, to be specific, since he announced on this list that he was delighted with this situation - threatening the UCD with acti ons if they didn't look into the allegations; 4) the listserv itself rushing to judge the UCD, accusing the UCD of just about everything under the sun. All of these happenings created a volatile atmosphere where any action could cause even more chaos. Some parties seemed to react by eagerly jumping into the fray and trying to cause all-out war, while other parties seemed to try to avoid that. Both jumping in, and avoiding jumping in, are now being criticized. It's hard to imagine what might have been the right thing to do, when there seems to be criticism for every possibility. 3) We discussed what UCD-Affiliated would mean and suggested excluding employees and Board Members. Residents who donate money would be too loose of a definition. This is very sticky, no matter what you decide. I think that one of the complaints some neighbors have made to the Councilwoman is that they felt that the UCD did not include every single community member in planning efforts. And there have been complaints that UCD folks didn't come and listen to complaints about them. So, is it appropriate for this new group to actually put in writing an exclusion policy which community members have decried in the past? If UCD folks are excluded here, then how will you get them to participate when the Organizing Committee has questions and/or needs info from them, and again later, as your group moves forward? (For example, it seems that the Organizing Committee might need information, in advance, from the UCD about the Public Forum Topics, and might want UCD folks to attend Public Forums - especially the last one which you mention under the heading UC-Review as Moderate Final Public Forum for review of recommendations by panel representing UCD, Institutions and their Funders. Am I misreading, or would you want the groups named to be present for that meeting? I don't know of any UCD affiliates who might want to participate; I'm just wondering about the exclusion principle. Melani Lamond ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
In a message dated 6/14/2007 11:54:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: since he announced on this list that he was delighted with this situation - threatening the UCD with actions if they didn't look into the allegations Please substantiate the allegation that I announced I was delighted with this situation. Also, substantiate the statement threatening the UCD with actions if they didn't look into the allegations. Note that this request and the answers or lack of same will go into my Lamond, pending libel suit evidence file. Alan Krigman KRF Management 211 S 45th St, Phila PA 19104 215-349-6500, fax 215-349-6500 on-line bulletin board: _www.iconworldwide.com/krf/news_ (http://www.iconworldwide.com/krf/news) website: _www.iconworldwide.com/krf_ (http://www.iconworldwide.com/krf) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
RE: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
Melani: 1) Racial Discrimination: Research and proof will need to be presented during the forum process. I really don't need to debate this issue on the listserv. All allegations will need proof according to the laws. 2) The answer is ..No, there were 300 signatures on a petition to save John Fenton's job and I am sure there are at least 1000 more out there to be had. Trust me, the community process will be newsworthy. 3) It is up to the planning committee to decide what seems reasonable regarding exclusions. I don't think this is something to debate on the listserv. 4) It will be in the best interest for UCD and the institutions to participate in the final forum, it will not stop the process in anyway and in the end, the truth will be known to all. My suggestion to everyone is to get involved in the public process, nothing will be decided on this listserv. S -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 11:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07 Hi, Sharrieff, I have a couple of thoughts or questions about the points raised earlier by Doc Baldy, to which you responded below: In a message dated 6/14/07 7:45:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1) Racial Discrimination has been alleged because of the disproportionate amount of whites in management versus blacks hired for the service side. Research and proof will need to be presented during the forum process. As you certainly know, racial discrimination is a very serious accusation. In my business, real estate, one would best substantiate a claim by showing that several parties with the same qualifications, but different races, had been treated differently. Does anyone know of any qualified black job applicants who applied to UDC for openings and were turned down? If not, what kind of research and proof does your group expect to be able to present? 2) The popular opinion is John became the fall guy for UCD after what many feel was a caving-in from media pressure by CCD and UCD without any real facts against John. Doesn't it seem that the listserv is exerting more pressure than any other source, on this issue? Although our pressure seems mostly internal, except for its relationship to last Thursday's Glenn Bryan meeting. I noticed that accounts of that meeting made several references to the media being present - to a reporter or reporters, and I thought to a tv crew, though I don't have time to go back and read through every email again to find the accounts. I've been curious, ever since we received word of the events of that meeting, as to whether or not any media reporting was made of it afterwards? I didn't see any mention of reporting. No one posted a link to anything, though we have some pretty talented researchers on the list. Did the media do anything at all, or should we assume that they didn't find it newsworthy? I think the pressure on the UCD may have arisen from 1) appropriate concern about whether or not the law and/or IRS requirements had been compromised; 2) the Councilwoman's strong reactions to her role in the student's accusations; 3) anti BID folks - Al Krigman, to be specific, since he announced on this list that he was delighted with this situation - threatening the UCD with actions if they didn't look into the allegations; 4) the listserv itself rushing to judge the UCD, accusing the UCD of just about everything under the sun. All of these happenings created a volatile atmosphere where any action could cause even more chaos. Some parties seemed to react by eagerly jumping into the fray and trying to cause all-out war, while other parties seemed to try to avoid that. Both jumping in, and avoiding jumping in, are now being criticized. It's hard to imagine what might have been the right thing to do, when there seems to be criticism for every possibility. 3) We discussed what UCD-Affiliated would mean and suggested excluding employees and Board Members. Residents who donate money would be too loose of a definition. This is very sticky, no matter what you decide. I think that one of the complaints some neighbors have made to the Councilwoman is that they felt that the UCD did not include every single community member in planning efforts. And there have been complaints that UCD folks didn't come and listen to complaints about them. So, is it appropriate for this new group to actually put in writing an exclusion policy which community members have decried in the past? If UCD folks are excluded here, then how will you get them to participate when the Organizing Committee has questions and/or needs info from them, and again later, as your group moves forward? (For example, it seems that the Organizing Committee might need information, in advance, from the UCD about the Public Forum Topics
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
In a message dated 6/14/07 1:32:56 PM, Krfapt writes: In a message dated 6/14/2007 1:18:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: See your emails of 5/23, 8:09 AM; 5/24, 3:46 PM, 4:37 PM, 4:48 PM; 6/1, 1:38 PM; 6/2, 7:48 PM 7:50 AM; 6/7, 2:19 PM, and 6/10, 7:46 PM. I've read my emails. Show me the quotes that say what you say I say. Or I say you're a liar. And since I have a business to run that depends on my reputation in the community. Those lies are libel. Alan Krigman Al, who's calling who a liar? Are you saying that you are not delighted to see UCD in the hot seat, and that you didn't threaten to file complaints? Please reread your posts including your poem, UCD/NID -- R. I. P. Melani Lamond ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
In a message dated 6/14/2007 3:38:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are you saying that you are not delighted to see UCD in the hot seat What I think and keep in my own thoughts is my own business. The thought police didn;t get here in 1984 and haven't arrived, yet. What I say or write is public. You said that I announced that I was delighted about something. Where did I announce this? Stop mincincing around. You can either show it or you're making it up. And making something up is what's called lying and makes the person who does it a liar. Show it and I'll certainly post a humble apology saying that what you said I announced was true and I was mistaken in my claim that you were not just being nasty, but mendacious, too. Al Krigman ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did the media do anything at all, or should we assume that they didn't find it newsworthy? this week's ucity review mentioned the thursday meeting in a small column that begins at the bottom of the front page: [manually re-typing this, 'scuse the typos]: From the Editor: Last Thursday, June 7th, the University of Pennsylvania Office of City and Community Relations held the last First Thursday Meeting of the season at the 40th Street branch of the Free Library. The major topic of the meeting scheduled was to be on Healthy in Philadelphia, but instead took quite a different course. The meeting rapidly turned into a public airing of the dissatisfaction Councilwoman Jannie Blackwell -- who spoke at the meeting -- and much of the community represented at the meeting felt concerning the alledged mismanagement of a variety of issues by the University City District and the University of Pennsylvania. Unfortunately, the story that was scheduled to run was not available at press time and will be published in next week's 6/20/07 University City Review. Also, much has been circulated over the internet, and even by word of mouth about the University City Review hosting or moderating a public forum on these issues. While it is true that we offered our services at the meeting in this regard, as an objective party, it is also true that we will only participate once all responsible parties have come together in agreement about the purpose, structure, ground rules and venue of such a meeting. --RC - - - - - - - ucity review hasn't mentioned anything else about the fenton incident since their original may 23 article about it the summer dp hasn't mentioned anything about the incident since their original may 24 article the daily news article that appeared june 1 after its original article may 16 shifted the focus away from ucd and onto blackwell. all in all, it's odd, how the official story is on hold, yet we're given, meanwhile, sifted morsels of information in timed bits... .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [aka laserbeam®] [aka ray] SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. It is very clear on this listserve who these people are. Ray has admitted being connected to this forger. -- Tony West __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
In a message dated 6/14/07 3:54:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Stop mincincing around. You can either show it or you're making it up. And making something up is what's called lying and makes the person who does it a liar. Show it and I'll certainly post a humble apology saying that what you said I announced was true and I was mistaken in my claim that you were not just being nasty, but mendacious, too. Al Krigman Dear Krigman, Al I hereby offer all apologies due. You're right, I'm sure: I must have made it up! How else could I have misunderstood your many UCD and Wendell Lewis posts so badly? Or was it Wendell Mellman? Mellman Lewis? Mellman Wendell? I do know that it wasn't Lewis Lewis. I don't know how you keep it all straight. Do you think it's information overload related to my old age? Like Bender, who really lost it earlier today in his ME post? I really will have to pay more attention to detail when I read future emails from you. There must be a level of subtlety which went right over my head when you wrote! Or maybe it was Glenn, or Sharrieff, or even maybe Ross, who seemed so utterly gleeful about this current situation, and you just all run together when I read. Kyle, or Mike V. Now, they're REALLY anti-UCD/BID, right? Anyway, your point is well taken - for whatever reason, I must have strayed from the actual facts. Everybody else on this list is so factual and careful about what they write; I don't know what I was thinking by second guessing you. I know you declared the BID dead, but you must have sent that out as a sympathy message, and here I misinterpreted it as gloating. With the humblest of apologies, Lamond, Melani ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
You know what is odd to me. Melani posted a second press, fairly important, release dated June 8. June 8, 2007 University City District has made numerous documented attempts to contact John Fenton asking him to respond to the matter under investigation. Our calls and letters have gone unanswered. He still remains on paid administrative leave. If UCD released this press release June 8, why would the University City Review refuse to publish it in the editor's note in the June 13 issue? This seems very odd indeed. I feel bad that with the tremendous effort made by UCD to get out this press release, even the University City Review refused to publish the information in the editor's note. It's such a short sweet press release. Let's be thankful Melani got it. Glenn - Original Message - From: UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: University City List UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did the media do anything at all, or should we assume that they didn't find it newsworthy? this week's ucity review mentioned the thursday meeting in a small column that begins at the bottom of the front page: [manually re-typing this, 'scuse the typos]: From the Editor: Last Thursday, June 7th, the University of Pennsylvania Office of City and Community Relations held the last First Thursday Meeting of the season at the 40th Street branch of the Free Library. The major topic of the meeting scheduled was to be on Healthy in Philadelphia, but instead took quite a different course. The meeting rapidly turned into a public airing of the dissatisfaction Councilwoman Jannie Blackwell -- who spoke at the meeting -- and much of the community represented at the meeting felt concerning the alledged mismanagement of a variety of issues by the University City District and the University of Pennsylvania. Unfortunately, the story that was scheduled to run was not available at press time and will be published in next week's 6/20/07 University City Review. Also, much has been circulated over the internet, and even by word of mouth about the University City Review hosting or moderating a public forum on these issues. While it is true that we offered our services at the meeting in this regard, as an objective party, it is also true that we will only participate once all responsible parties have come together in agreement about the purpose, structure, ground rules and venue of such a meeting. --RC - - - - - - - ucity review hasn't mentioned anything else about the fenton incident since their original may 23 article about it the summer dp hasn't mentioned anything about the incident since their original may 24 article the daily news article that appeared june 1 after its original article may 16 shifted the focus away from ucd and onto blackwell. all in all, it's odd, how the official story is on hold, yet we're given, meanwhile, sifted morsels of information in timed bits... .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [aka laserbeam®] [aka ray] SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. It is very clear on this listserve who these people are. Ray has admitted being connected to this forger. -- Tony West __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/848 - Release Date: 6/13/2007 12:50 PM You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
in the letter from the editor it says the article which was scheduled to run was not available at press time -- which could mean that in light of a new press release, the article was being rewritten. or it could mean something else. you could call the UC review and ask them. kc -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Glenn Sent: Thu 6/14/2007 5:46 PM To: UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN; University City List Subject: Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07 You know what is odd to me. Melani posted a second press, fairly important, release dated June 8. June 8, 2007 University City District has made numerous documented attempts to contact John Fenton asking him to respond to the matter under investigation. Our calls and letters have gone unanswered. He still remains on paid administrative leave. If UCD released this press release June 8, why would the University City Review refuse to publish it in the editor's note in the June 13 issue? This seems very odd indeed. I feel bad that with the tremendous effort made by UCD to get out this press release, even the University City Review refused to publish the information in the editor's note. It's such a short sweet press release. Let's be thankful Melani got it. Glenn - Original Message - From: UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: University City List UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did the media do anything at all, or should we assume that they didn't find it newsworthy? this week's ucity review mentioned the thursday meeting in a small column that begins at the bottom of the front page: [manually re-typing this, 'scuse the typos]: From the Editor: Last Thursday, June 7th, the University of Pennsylvania Office of City and Community Relations held the last First Thursday Meeting of the season at the 40th Street branch of the Free Library. The major topic of the meeting scheduled was to be on Healthy in Philadelphia, but instead took quite a different course. The meeting rapidly turned into a public airing of the dissatisfaction Councilwoman Jannie Blackwell -- who spoke at the meeting -- and much of the community represented at the meeting felt concerning the alledged mismanagement of a variety of issues by the University City District and the University of Pennsylvania. Unfortunately, the story that was scheduled to run was not available at press time and will be published in next week's 6/20/07 University City Review. Also, much has been circulated over the internet, and even by word of mouth about the University City Review hosting or moderating a public forum on these issues. While it is true that we offered our services at the meeting in this regard, as an objective party, it is also true that we will only participate once all responsible parties have come together in agreement about the purpose, structure, ground rules and venue of such a meeting. --RC - - - - - - - ucity review hasn't mentioned anything else about the fenton incident since their original may 23 article about it the summer dp hasn't mentioned anything about the incident since their original may 24 article the daily news article that appeared june 1 after its original article may 16 shifted the focus away from ucd and onto blackwell. all in all, it's odd, how the official story is on hold, yet we're given, meanwhile, sifted morsels of information in timed bits... .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [aka laserbeam®] [aka ray] SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. It is very clear on this listserve who these people are. Ray has admitted being connected to this forger. -- Tony West __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/848 - Release Date: 6/13/2007 12:50 PM You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
In a message dated 6/14/2007 5:41:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MLamond writes: I hereby offer all apologies due. I accept your apology and know you'll be more careful in the future. I know you declared the BID dead, but you must have sent that out as a sympathy message, and here I misinterpreted it as gloating. Yes, I did state my conviction that the BID was dead. And I expressed satisfaction that the points I've been making about it being an ill-conceived plan are now broadly recognized. But delighted? Hardly. It's a personal defeat for those who genuinely believed it was a good idea, despite my fundamental disagreement with them, and I regret any emotional or career pain it has caused anyone. I can only hope that they learn something from the experience about transparency and the spirit of compromise. There's no reason -- as I stated at the onset of the HD debate and again when this all began -- that these things have to be winner-take-all propositions. I am, however, delighted to see by your apology that you now recognize the problem a person gets into when he or she presumes to read something into what somebody else says. It's so easy to misinterpret another's motivations based on what you want to believe a person meant rather than taking whatever was said -- or, better, written -- at face value. Well, you seemed to have learned a lesson from this and I won't pursue it any further. And I've learned that you can be gracious in admitting your mistakes. Your friend and neighbor Al Krigman ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
On 6/14/07, Kyle Cassidy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in the letter from the editor it says the article which was scheduled to run was not available at press time -- which could mean that in light of a new press release, the article was being rewritten. or it could mean something else. you could call the UC review and ask them. Well personally *I* think it means something else. But I tried calling the UC Review and for some reason they keep hanging up on me. Which makes me a bit suspicious. Probably they too have something to hide. -- Ross Bender http://rossbender.org
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
Kyle Cassidy wrote: in the letter from the editor it says the article which was scheduled to run was not available at press time -- which could mean that in light of a new press release, the article was being rewritten. or it could mean something else. you could call the UC review and ask them. the whole thing's odd... why doesn't either of the press releases appear on ucd's website along with all of its other press releases? how did al receive a message from tony when tony was unable to email uclist? will liz write a clarifying letter to the editor of philly record to explain publicly how she was (mis)quoted in tony's article? why did melani need permission to post the second press release when it was already quoted verbatim in tony's article, posted one hour previously by al? will ross finally get the notice he deserves the next time he writes horrible horrible things about penn without telling us that he's employed by penn? will john fenton ever be able to speak for himself? is he toast? will the other ucd employees who helped him that day be contacted by ucd? are they toast? which local newspaper will give us the Real story? how will we know it's true? when will the next round of First Thursday Meetings resume? did al and melani actually apologize to one another today? etc. etc. I officially declare june 14 as BIZZARO DAY on uclist! .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [aka laserbeam®] [aka ray] SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. It is very clear on this listserve who these people are. Ray has admitted being connected to this forger. -- Tony West You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
Uh, Wilma, I'm not sure you meant to send this email to me, but you did. Just in case you've never met Al, I do want to mention that he's not in the us group you mention. Also, I feel no jealousy toward him. And - what behavior of mine were you trying to monitor? Sounds ominous. I haven't tried to monitor yours. Melani In a message dated 6/14/07 7:27:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pray, do NOT let her off the hook THIS time. As you quite know, she and others of the UC Cartel are not used to justifying their slanderous/libelous statements, because they didn’t HAVE to for those of us (people of color) who were trying to monitor their behavior. She’s too comfortable AND jealous of your wealth!! Nail her! On 6/14/07 3:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/14/07 1:32:56 PM, Krfapt writes: In a message dated 6/14/2007 1:18:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: See your emails of 5/23, 8:09 AM; 5/24, 3:46 PM, 4:37 PM, 4:48 PM; 6/1, 1:38 PM; 6/2, 7:48 PM 7:50 AM; 6/7, 2:19 PM, and 6/10, 7:46 PM. I've read my emails. Show me the quotes that say what you say I say. Or I say you're a liar. And since I have a business to run that depends on my reputation in the community. Those lies are libel. Alan Krigman Al, who's calling who a liar? Are you saying that you are not delighted to see UCD in the hot seat, and that you didn't threaten to file complaints? Please reread your posts including your poem, UCD/NID -- R. I. P. Melani Lamond ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
RE: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
The beautiful thing about the list is that we're all the color of text here. I don't know what race people are, and frankly I don't want to know -- but as a person of color myself (as if Caucasians are somehow devoid of any shade), I have to say that I find this sort of presentation of an us-vs-them dichotomy both demeaning and damaging to the greater dialogue. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07 Uh, Wilma, I'm not sure you meant to send this email to me, but you did. Just in case you've never met Al, I do want to mention that he's not in the us group you mention. Also, I feel no jealousy toward him. And - what behavior of mine were you trying to monitor? Sounds ominous. I haven't tried to monitor yours. Melani In a message dated 6/14/07 7:27:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pray, do NOT let her off the hook THIS time. As you quite know, she and others of the UC Cartel are not used to justifying their slanderous/libelous statements, because they didn't HAVE to for those of us (people of color) who were trying to monitor their behavior. She's too comfortable AND jealous of your wealth!! Nail her! On 6/14/07 3:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/14/07 1:32:56 PM, Krfapt writes: In a message dated 6/14/2007 1:18:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: See your emails of 5/23, 8:09 AM; 5/24, 3:46 PM, 4:37 PM, 4:48 PM; 6/1, 1:38 PM; 6/2, 7:48 PM 7:50 AM; 6/7, 2:19 PM, and 6/10, 7:46 PM. I've read my emails. Show me the quotes that say what you say I say. Or I say you're a liar. And since I have a business to run that depends on my reputation in the community. Those lies are libel. Alan Krigman Al, who's calling who a liar? Are you saying that you are not delighted to see UCD in the hot seat, and that you didn't threaten to file complaints? Please reread your posts including your poem, UCD/NID -- R. I. P. Melani Lamond ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
I sent him an email from work and asked him to help (or perhaps I should say ehlp) by posting it for me. A courtesy to a listmate. I am in the process of switching ISPs and I have not the slightest idea what is happening to me at this minute, technically. A friend seems to have jiggered my computer so that I can now post to the list again. We'll see! No local newspaper will ever give you the Real story because the Real story, life, is always evolving and is always experienced in partial perspectives. In order to get a glimpse of what is true, you'll need to apply common sense to what you read or hear. Alas, this is not something you can download, Ray. -- Tony West Ray wrote: how did al receive a message from tony when tony was unable to email uclist? which local newspaper will give us the Real story? how will we know it's true? You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
Since you decide to copy the listserv after sending this message to me and Al offlist, I shall copy my response that was sent offlist to you. Dear Melani, You¹re right. I did not mean to send this email to you. As for people of color monitoring behavior, I meant not you personally, but the power brokers who first befriended longtime residents of color, got them to engage the community because they were credible. When disagreement arose between the two factions, refused to explain anything and used resources at hand to discredit naysayers. Why do you keep needling Al as a cheapskate who doesn¹t want to part with a portion of his large fortune in order to support the UCD/NID? If Al (who is quite astute), feels you have libeled him, he could do what I could not do or others who were opposed to the UC byline, (we did not have the credibility or the power), to actually hold those assertions accountable. Forgive me if this should offend you, but I have seen so many people victimized by half-truths, mistruths, rumor and innuendo because they could not compete against the credibility of people with money who did not look the same as the residents who were trying to hold on to their neighborhood. For the record, I am not excusing Al entirely. He seized an opportunity and was successful. The difference is he did not try to convince the community that he was in their corner. You know that I respect you and your efforts for this community even though we might disagree on certain political issues. ³It¹s business; not personal.² I disagree with lots of people with whom I respect and socialize. Regards, Wilma On 6/14/07 8:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh, Wilma, I'm not sure you meant to send this email to me, but you did. Just in case you've never met Al, I do want to mention that he's not in the us group you mention. Also, I feel no jealousy toward him. And - what behavior of mine were you trying to monitor? Sounds ominous. I haven't tried to monitor yours. Melani In a message dated 6/14/07 7:27:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pray, do NOT let her off the hook THIS time. As you quite know, she and others of the UC Cartel are not used to justifying their slanderous/libelous statements, because they didn¹t HAVE to for those of us (people of color) who were trying to monitor their behavior. She¹s too comfortable AND jealous of your wealth!! Nail her! On 6/14/07 3:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/14/07 1:32:56 PM, Krfapt writes: In a message dated 6/14/2007 1:18:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: See your emails of 5/23, 8:09 AM; 5/24, 3:46 PM, 4:37 PM, 4:48 PM; 6/1, 1:38 PM; 6/2, 7:48 PM 7:50 AM; 6/7, 2:19 PM, and 6/10, 7:46 PM. I've read my emails. Show me the quotes that say what you say I say. Or I say you're a liar. And since I have a business to run that depends on my reputation in the community. Those lies are libel. Alan Krigman Al, who's calling who a liar? Are you saying that you are not delighted to see UCD in the hot seat, and that you didn't threaten to file complaints? Please reread your posts including your poem, UCD/NID -- R. I. P. Melani Lamond ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
Notice the subtle, artful recasting of news media as part of a paranoid explanatory scheme. That different unrelated media outlets write different stories, at different times, with different pieces of information, is described as odd, when in fact it's normal and inevitable. The official story (UCD's public statements), which has been reprinted verbatim in many outlets, is falsely described as on hold. Sifted morsels of information in timed bits implies a Hidden Hand -- a malign, controlling central intelligence -- which lies at the core of every delusional system. In fact, five different media outlets have published stories about the issue, all of whom are inherently jealous rivals of each other. No one agent wields significant power over all five of them. Masterminding media coverage on a story like thisis like herding cats; any real Hidden Hand would be chewing its knuckles after a week of it Not in Ray's world, though. I'd advise readers always to keep an eye peeled for paranoid explanations of anything. They'll give you a quick and emotionally satisfying handle on just about anything. They are almost invariably wrong, however. -- Tony West Ray wrote: ucity review hasn't mentioned anything else about the fenton incident since their original may 23 article about it the summer dp hasn't mentioned anything about the incident since their original may 24 article the daily news article that appeared june 1 after its original article may 16 shifted the focus away from ucd and onto blackwell. all in all, it's odd, how the official story is on hold, yet we're given, meanwhile, sifted morsels of information in timed bits... You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Fwd: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
Wasn't that you that announced you planned to file a complaint with the IRS if UCD didn't make progress on the issue?? Glenn also. Also, did either of you file complaints or otherwise notify the IRS of alleged problems with UCD conduct? Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: univcity@list.purple.com Sent: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:10 pm Subject: Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07 In a message dated 6/14/2007 11:54:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: since he announced on this list that he was delighted with this situation - threatening the UCD with actions if they didn't look into the allegations Please substantiate the allegation that I announced I was delighted with this situation. Also, substantiate the statement threatening the UCD with actions if they didn't look into the allegations. ? Note that this request and the answers or lack of same will go into my Lamond, pending libel suit evidence file. ? Alan Krigman KRF Management 211 S 45th St, Phila PA 19104 215-349-6500, fax 215-349-6500 on-line bulletin board: www.iconworldwide.com/krf/news website: www.iconworldwide.com/krf See what's free at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
Anthony West wrote: I sent him an email from work and asked him to help (or perhaps I should say ehlp) by posting it for me. A courtesy to a listmate. I am in the process of switching ISPs and I have not the slightest idea what is happening to me at this minute, technically. A friend seems to have jiggered my computer so that I can now post to the list again. We'll see! thanks! al wrote that you were offline, that's what seemed odd. would something like this help you in future? to post to uclist no matter where you're using a computer?: http://webmail.dca.net/ No local newspaper will ever give you the Real story because the Real story, life, is always evolving and is always experienced in partial perspectives. In order to get a glimpse of what is true, you'll need to apply common sense to what you read or hear. Alas, this is not something you can download, Ray. thanks. but you can appreciate how odd it is when a news story containing a quoted press release is posted onlist, and someone else posts that very same press release an hour later onlist with the explanation that it doesn't seem to have been picked up by the media! BIZZARO DAY IS JUNE 14 .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [aka laserbeam®] [aka ray] SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. It is very clear on this listserve who these people are. Ray has admitted being connected to this forger. -- Tony West You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
Anthony West wrote: Notice the subtle, artful recasting of news media as part of a paranoid explanatory scheme. That different unrelated media outlets write different stories, at different times, with different pieces of information, is described as odd, when in fact it's normal and inevitable. The official story (UCD's public statements), which has been reprinted verbatim in many outlets, is falsely described as on hold. Sifted morsels of information in timed bits implies a Hidden Hand -- a malign, controlling central intelligence -- which lies at the core of every delusional system. In fact, five different media outlets have published stories about the issue, all of whom are inherently jealous rivals of each other. No one agent wields significant power over all five of them. Masterminding media coverage on a story like thisis like herding cats; any real Hidden Hand would be chewing its knuckles after a week of it Not in Ray's world, though. I'd advise readers always to keep an eye peeled for paranoid explanations of anything. They'll give you a quick and emotionally satisfying handle on just about anything. They are almost invariably wrong, however. nothing paranoid about this at all. here's where we stand: ucity review hasn't mentioned anything else about the fenton incident since their original may 23 article about it the summer dp hasn't mentioned anything about the incident since their original may 24 article the daily news article hasn't mentioned anything about the incident since their revised june 1 article shifted the focus of their may 16 article away from ucd and onto blackwell. no media outlet has published stories about the issue since june 1 except philadelphia public record (yours, with ucd's latest press release) neither of the press releases appear on ucd's website along with all of ucd's other press releases, so there has been no way to tell, publicly, what the 'official story' is, where or when the 'official story' has been printed 'verbatim'. BIZZARO DAY IS JUNE 14 .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [aka laserbeam®] [aka ray] SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. It is very clear on this listserve who these people are. Ray has admitted being connected to this forger. -- Tony West You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD Wednesday June 13th 2007 6PM Walnut West Library Meeting Length: 1 ½ hours The meeting was attended by 17 people, a cross-section of community representatives and residents. The agenda focused on allowing everyone to speak their mind regarding why they were there and the review of a planning proposal. Based on the roundtable discussion, overwhelmingly participants attended because they were outraged with the operations of UCD and particularly the treatment of John Fenton. Comments included: * Injustice within Community Relations * Racial Discrimination in UCD hiring polices * Accountability of UCD to Community * UCD Board Composition and Polices * On-Going Management Problems at UCD * General Mission and Direction of UCD After review and discussion, the planning proposal was accepted by committee with some minor changes, most notably the removal of Penn-Praxis as a possible facilitation group which many people felt would be a conflict of interest with Penn as a UCD Board Member and major funder. The plan is attached and the next meeting of the planning committee is tentatively set for: Wednesday June 20th, 2007 at 6PM. Walnut West Library Community Room I will confirm ASAP. The next meeting agenda will focus on: 1. Identifying Facilitators for the Public Forum 2. Selecting Location/s for the Public Forums 3. Selecting the Media Outlets we will be working with 4. Deciding time-lines for the forums process 5. Selecting Group Leaders for each focus area PLANNING PROPOSAL REGARDING UNIVERSITY CITY DISTRICT (UCD) Approved by Planning Committee 6-13-07 The proposal is based on the Planning/Organizing Committee designing and managing a public process for input from community stakeholders. The public process will produce recommendations to the University City District (UCD) regarding their mission, operations, and policies. The process will consist of a 5 Public Forums, facilitated in 4 specific areas of focus along with Call-In Public Radio Broadcast focused on 4 subject areas. The final Moderated Public Forum will focus on the review of all recommendations from the community stakeholders with a panel of UCD and Institutional Representatives. ORGANIZING COMMITTEE * Plan and Organize Process all Public Forums * Plan and Organize all (WPEB/WHYY) Radio Broadcast and Guest Speakers * Organize and approve final proposal document for review and consideration by UCD Management (Board) and Institutional Funding Authorities. * Eligibility limited to non-UCD affiliated individuals. PUBLIC FORUM TOPICS * UCD Mission and Services * UCD Board Composition and Policies * UCD and Funders Accountability, Transparency, Polices and Practices * UCD NID Proposal and Recommendations * UCD and Funders Panel Review of Community Stakeholder Recommendations UC-REVIEW - Approved by Committee 6-13-07, not yet confirmed by UC-Review * Publicize and announce all Public Forums * Provide Press Coverage and Publish excerpts from all Radio Broadcast * Publish all Community Stakeholder Recommendations from Community Forums * Moderate Final Public Forum for review of recommendations by panel representing UCD, Institutions and their Funders. FACILITATION PROCESS * PENN-PRAXIS 6-13-07 Removed by Committee * Other Choices To be announced SA-6-13-07
