Re: strange issue
After some testing, it seems this engine specific and not a revGUI issue. I thought it could have been the revmessage box but it also happens in MetaCard's msg box. So MC engine version 2.6.6 has a problem! Any confirmations to enter a concrete bugzilla is welcome... Second bugzilla today!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 21/10/2005 06:40:44: I have this custom prop put the xos[dragstack] of this stack It tell TAOO whether a stack can be dragged on a mousedown event... very handy... but if I start checking this on one stack EditNO2 in the message box if get all the error messages in the answer! put the xos[dragstack] of stack editno2 Handler: Running low on memory, script aborted recursionLimit: Recursion limit reached abs: error in source expression accept: bad expression etc... if I put the script in a button it works - although the mousedown handler doesn?t!!! If I debug the mousedown handler rev freezes... If I debug the handler and do the put xos[dragstack] show into the message, the xos[dragstack] is empty!!! im pretty sure that im selecting the right stack's cusom props. Im sure the prop is there and it contains true... can anyone explain this? This works fine in rr 2.5 but no more in 2.6.1... cheers Xavier ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - To make communications with Clearstream easier, Clearstream has recently changed the email address format to conform with industry standards. The new format is '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'. Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGE Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries. END OF DISCLAIMER ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Language Input settings
Hi, Simple question: Is there a way on windows and mac to get/set the text input language? Thanks, Ron ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Looking for a cheap web hosting ISP
Just chipping in late with a possible work around for this libc version issue.
-jailshell-2.05b$ ldd mc
linux-gate.so.1 = (0xe000)
libdl.so.2 = /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x00341000)
libX11.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x4cba8000)
libXext.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x4cc72000)
libm.so.6 = /lib/tls/libm.so.6 (0x00347000)
libc.so.6 = /lib/tls/libc.so.6 (0x00223000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 = /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x0020a000)
There you see libc.so.6... the problem in Dans webhost is a wrong
version of libC, if he uses ldd then search for the file, he'll not
find it... the server is using an older version of libC, he is
probably using GLIB2.2 and needs 2.3...
I work with a lot of linux machines here and have encountered this sort of
thing fairly often. Sometimes a linux distribution will package a compat or
compatibility version of a library when they ship their distro with a new
version of the library. The idea being that your older software will work
more easily on the new upgraded distro. So you may be able to install a
compat package to get it working. This is the best solution.
Assuming you can't do this on someone else's web server there is another
possibility... This assumes you get a message like libc.so.5 is missing and
I need this library to run. Looking at these compat packages (often
installed as say 'libc-6.0-compat') I find that sometimes they just provide a
symbolic link from the old shared object ('so') library to the new one. For
example they will provide a link in the library directory from libc.so.5 -
libc.so.6. This assumes that the new version of the library is backward
compatible... Dangerous assumption, but they often are. I have generally had
good success making these links when needed and the advantage is that you
might be able to create these symbolic links on the web server even if you
can't install software/libraries. If this is a possibility for you, you would
do something like this at the linux command line:
#ln -s /lib/tls/libc.so.5 /lib/tls/libc.so.6
which creates the link from the .5 to the .6.
Now if we do:
# ls -la /lib/tls/
you would see something with:
/lib/tls/libc.so.5 - /lib/tls/libc.so.6
Now if your program accesses libc.so.5 it gets redirected to libc.so.6 without
knowing it.
I know this will only help in some specific circumstances, but hope it is
useful anyway.
Cheers,
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Determining the language of the text
Hi again, This is an attempt to get at my problem a different way. Is there a way to tell what language a given chunk of text is? If I ask for user input, it may be in english or japanese or korean for example. If I need to unidecode the text, I need to know if it is japanese or korean. If it is english, I may not even need to unidecode for my purposes. So, is there a way to tell what language a given chunk is in? Thanks, Ron ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Constellation
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:30 pm, Dennis Brown wrote: If I pay RunRev for a better product, I am justified in yelling at them if they slack off on delivering. If it were open source, I would have to beg for someone to donate the time to fix or improve anything. Not entirely true... You could always offer to pay the developer some money to fix your gripe. ;-) This is actually quite common. Most open source development projects have a paypal link on their sites too, so you can make donations just to keep them interested! -- Rishi Viner -- PUREDATA Australia www.puredata.com.au ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Determining the language of the text
Hi Ron Im working on a detector for non-unicode languages. Is there a way to tell if text is in unicode or not? Detecting languages can be done via a dictionary exlusion - if the word is not in the dictionary, try next dictionary... SpellNO2 spell checking plugin has this feature planned... but im not working hard on it as demand was dismall... cheers Xavier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 21/10/2005 09:28:13: Hi again, This is an attempt to get at my problem a different way. Is there a way to tell what language a given chunk of text is? If I ask for user input, it may be in english or japanese or korean for example. If I need to unidecode the text, I need to know if it is japanese or korean. If it is english, I may not even need to unidecode for my purposes. So, is there a way to tell what language a given chunk is in? Thanks, Ron ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - To make communications with Clearstream easier, Clearstream has recently changed the email address format to conform with industry standards. The new format is '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'. Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGE Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries. END OF DISCLAIMER ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Constellation
Well, then I am back to paying for a product. The circle closes back on itself ;-) On Oct 21, 2005, at 3:33 AM, Rishi Viner wrote: On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:30 pm, Dennis Brown wrote: If I pay RunRev for a better product, I am justified in yelling at them if they slack off on delivering. If it were open source, I would have to beg for someone to donate the time to fix or improve anything. Not entirely true... You could always offer to pay the developer some money to fix your gripe. ;-) This is actually quite common. Most open source development projects have a paypal link on their sites too, so you can make donations just to keep them interested! -- Rishi Viner -- PUREDATA Australia www.puredata.com.au ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Resizing Boxes
In a message dated 10/20/05 8:28:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, Is there a way to resize the menu builder window? I'm using Mac OSX. That window now takes up my entire screen. I figure my software or stacks are corrupted, but since they still work I'm trying to find a way to deal with it. Did you change your monitor resolution? That could make all the stacks look larger. I've never heard of corruption that affects stack size. Corruption is very rare in Revolution, and on those unusual occasions when it happens, the stack won't open at all. Can you set your monitor to use larger pixel dimensions? What happens then? Do the stacks stay put, or do they change? Hi Again, No, I didn't change my screen resolution. My stacks themselves are normal size and operate fine. There are several problems though. The type in the menu builder window is normal size it's mostly a blank window that fills the screen though. The other development windows are also full screen. The reason I asked about the Menu Builder window specifically is that it doesn't have a resizing tab as the others do. There are other problems too, for example, when I drag a button off the tool palate it comes with an orange rectangle that's about half the screen size. When I drop the button it's fine though. I can move it a second time without that happening. I think my problems began when I was in a field inspector screen. Instead of putting in the left position as a three digit number as I wanted to I stupidly typed in a six digit number. After doing that revolution crashed and it hasn't been the same since. Joe, Orlando, Florida ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Resizing Boxes
In a message dated 10/20/05 9:42:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 6:11 PM -0400 10/20/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to resize the menu builder window? I'm using Mac OSX. That window now takes up my entire screen. I figure my software or stacks are corrupted, but since they still work I'm trying to find a way to deal with it. Try typing this in the message box: set the rect of stack revMenuManager to 100,100,580,540 I did that and it works! The that is only a temporary fix though. I saved the stack after doing that and then closed and reopened it and the Menu Manager was full screen again. :( Joe ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Constellation
Dennis, This sounds reasonable. I guess my 'fear' is that once 'everyone' says Hey, I can sell this using this list as my source of customers then this list and the attitude turns and starts to feel just like Director and it's lists. That is why I stopped developing in Director in the first place, not enough community support and 'greedy appearing' developers that won't share their time with newbies or with someone that is just struggling with a piece of code. (Not all Director developers are like this, but enough to make me switch to REV. Also, It is not guaranteed that this would happen here but it might.) P.S. I bought Constellation and the whole set of Gadgets. I only really wanted one part of it and was curious about productivity increase with the rest. (The video's actually sold me with the support from users on the list.) Tom On Oct 20, 2005, at 10:30 PM, Dennis Brown wrote: However, I don't begrudge any developer, who has taken on the task of producing a significant tool for development, a modest fee for sharing it. It takes a lot of work (and time away from paying customers) to turn a personal tool into a product --and to support it. If every developer made a modest tool and shared it for a modest fee, then it would be a break even proposition --the fees received from other developers = the fees payed for other developers tools. I believe that the tools offered for sale in this community do not actually pay back for the time and effort in their development. The fee charged just insures that those who buy it, need it, and it pays for their support. I believe it is mostly a labor of love and sharing, but a developer needs an incentive to rationalize the time spent on a product with no initial paying customer. There is also a promotion of reputation in the process that is good for getting future contract work. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Constellation
Surely, by now, you have found that Rev users are very willing to help each other out, free of charge? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas McGrath III Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 10:24 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Constellation Dennis, This sounds reasonable. I guess my 'fear' is that once 'everyone' says Hey, I can sell this using this list as my source of customers then this list and the attitude turns and starts to feel just like Director and it's lists. That is why I stopped developing in Director in the first place, not enough community support and 'greedy appearing' developers that won't share their time with newbies or with someone that is just struggling with a piece of code. (Not all Director developers are like this, but enough to make me switch to REV. Also, It is not guaranteed that this would happen here but it might.) P.S. I bought Constellation and the whole set of Gadgets. I only really wanted one part of it and was curious about productivity increase with the rest. (The video's actually sold me with the support from users on the list.) Tom On Oct 20, 2005, at 10:30 PM, Dennis Brown wrote: However, I don't begrudge any developer, who has taken on the task of producing a significant tool for development, a modest fee for sharing it. It takes a lot of work (and time away from paying customers) to turn a personal tool into a product --and to support it. If every developer made a modest tool and shared it for a modest fee, then it would be a break even proposition --the fees received from other developers = the fees payed for other developers tools. I believe that the tools offered for sale in this community do not actually pay back for the time and effort in their development. The fee charged just insures that those who buy it, need it, and it pays for their support. I believe it is mostly a labor of love and sharing, but a developer needs an incentive to rationalize the time spent on a product with no initial paying customer. There is also a promotion of reputation in the process that is good for getting future contract work. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Constellation
Jonathan, Absolutely, That is why, even though I spent $1,200 on Director, I decided to switch to Revolution 'enterprise user'. I had spent time lurking on this list and after a while it hit me Wow, These guys really care. They want to help people just like I do. They want to see people succeed in this endeavor. I have not been disappointed since then. I was just sharing my fear that it 'could' happen here. I certainly hope it does not and I know I would not change. This is the best list I have ever been on. The people are selfless and caring. I love it. Tom On Oct 21, 2005, at 10:30 AM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote: Surely, by now, you have found that Rev users are very willing to help each other out, free of charge? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas McGrath III Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 10:24 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Constellation Dennis, This sounds reasonable. I guess my 'fear' is that once 'everyone' says Hey, I can sell this using this list as my source of customers then this list and the attitude turns and starts to feel just like Director and it's lists. That is why I stopped developing in Director in the first place, not enough community support and 'greedy appearing' developers that won't share their time with newbies or with someone that is just struggling with a piece of code. (Not all Director developers are like this, but enough to make me switch to REV. Also, It is not guaranteed that this would happen here but it might.) P.S. I bought Constellation and the whole set of Gadgets. I only really wanted one part of it and was curious about productivity increase with the rest. (The video's actually sold me with the support from users on the list.) Tom On Oct 20, 2005, at 10:30 PM, Dennis Brown wrote: However, I don't begrudge any developer, who has taken on the task of producing a significant tool for development, a modest fee for sharing it. It takes a lot of work (and time away from paying customers) to turn a personal tool into a product --and to support it. If every developer made a modest tool and shared it for a modest fee, then it would be a break even proposition --the fees received from other developers = the fees payed for other developers tools. I believe that the tools offered for sale in this community do not actually pay back for the time and effort in their development. The fee charged just insures that those who buy it, need it, and it pays for their support. I believe it is mostly a labor of love and sharing, but a developer needs an incentive to rationalize the time spent on a product with no initial paying customer. There is also a promotion of reputation in the process that is good for getting future contract work. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
AW: Resizing Boxes
Hi Joe, this would be a crude fix but you might try it: Edit the script of the stack using edit the script of stack revMenuManager and then put in on openStack set the rect of stack revMenuManager to 100,100,580,540 -- pobably add: pass openStack end openStack Try to save the stack (it worked on my PC). All the best Thomas -- Thomas Fischer Salzburg -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Freitag, 21. Oktober 2005 14:49 An: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Betreff: Re: Resizing Boxes In a message dated 10/20/05 9:42:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 6:11 PM -0400 10/20/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to resize the menu builder window? I'm using Mac OSX. That window now takes up my entire screen. I figure my software or stacks are corrupted, but since they still work I'm trying to find a way to deal with it. Try typing this in the message box: set the rect of stack revMenuManager to 100,100,580,540 I did that and it works! The that is only a temporary fix though. I saved the stack after doing that and then closed and reopened it and the Menu Manager was full screen again. :( Joe ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Constellation
I am amazed when I see things that come into existence through a community-spirit motivation - it renews my faith in the core goodness of humanity (forgive my corniness):) The two examples that stand out for me in this regard are this list, and wikipedia. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas McGrath III Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 10:40 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Constellation Jonathan, Absolutely, That is why, even though I spent $1,200 on Director, I decided to switch to Revolution 'enterprise user'. I had spent time lurking on this list and after a while it hit me Wow, These guys really care. They want to help people just like I do. They want to see people succeed in this endeavor. I have not been disappointed since then. I was just sharing my fear that it 'could' happen here. I certainly hope it does not and I know I would not change. This is the best list I have ever been on. The people are selfless and caring. I love it. Tom On Oct 21, 2005, at 10:30 AM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote: Surely, by now, you have found that Rev users are very willing to help each other out, free of charge? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas McGrath III Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 10:24 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Constellation Dennis, This sounds reasonable. I guess my 'fear' is that once 'everyone' says Hey, I can sell this using this list as my source of customers then this list and the attitude turns and starts to feel just like Director and it's lists. That is why I stopped developing in Director in the first place, not enough community support and 'greedy appearing' developers that won't share their time with newbies or with someone that is just struggling with a piece of code. (Not all Director developers are like this, but enough to make me switch to REV. Also, It is not guaranteed that this would happen here but it might.) P.S. I bought Constellation and the whole set of Gadgets. I only really wanted one part of it and was curious about productivity increase with the rest. (The video's actually sold me with the support from users on the list.) Tom On Oct 20, 2005, at 10:30 PM, Dennis Brown wrote: However, I don't begrudge any developer, who has taken on the task of producing a significant tool for development, a modest fee for sharing it. It takes a lot of work (and time away from paying customers) to turn a personal tool into a product --and to support it. If every developer made a modest tool and shared it for a modest fee, then it would be a break even proposition --the fees received from other developers = the fees payed for other developers tools. I believe that the tools offered for sale in this community do not actually pay back for the time and effort in their development. The fee charged just insures that those who buy it, need it, and it pays for their support. I believe it is mostly a labor of love and sharing, but a developer needs an incentive to rationalize the time spent on a product with no initial paying customer. There is also a promotion of reputation in the process that is good for getting future contract work. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Constellation
Not corny at all. I agree with you. The spirit of this list pushes me to help others as well. And that is rewarding in itself. Tom On Oct 21, 2005, at 10:46 AM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote: I am amazed when I see things that come into existence through a community-spirit motivation - it renews my faith in the core goodness of humanity (forgive my corniness):) The two examples that stand out for me in this regard are this list, and wikipedia. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas McGrath III Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 10:40 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Constellation Jonathan, Absolutely, That is why, even though I spent $1,200 on Director, I decided to switch to Revolution 'enterprise user'. I had spent time lurking on this list and after a while it hit me Wow, These guys really care. They want to help people just like I do. They want to see people succeed in this endeavor. I have not been disappointed since then. I was just sharing my fear that it 'could' happen here. I certainly hope it does not and I know I would not change. This is the best list I have ever been on. The people are selfless and caring. I love it. Tom On Oct 21, 2005, at 10:30 AM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote: Surely, by now, you have found that Rev users are very willing to help each other out, free of charge? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas McGrath III Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 10:24 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Constellation Dennis, This sounds reasonable. I guess my 'fear' is that once 'everyone' says Hey, I can sell this using this list as my source of customers then this list and the attitude turns and starts to feel just like Director and it's lists. That is why I stopped developing in Director in the first place, not enough community support and 'greedy appearing' developers that won't share their time with newbies or with someone that is just struggling with a piece of code. (Not all Director developers are like this, but enough to make me switch to REV. Also, It is not guaranteed that this would happen here but it might.) P.S. I bought Constellation and the whole set of Gadgets. I only really wanted one part of it and was curious about productivity increase with the rest. (The video's actually sold me with the support from users on the list.) Tom On Oct 20, 2005, at 10:30 PM, Dennis Brown wrote: However, I don't begrudge any developer, who has taken on the task of producing a significant tool for development, a modest fee for sharing it. It takes a lot of work (and time away from paying customers) to turn a personal tool into a product --and to support it. If every developer made a modest tool and shared it for a modest fee, then it would be a break even proposition --the fees received from other developers = the fees payed for other developers tools. I believe that the tools offered for sale in this community do not actually pay back for the time and effort in their development. The fee charged just insures that those who buy it, need it, and it pays for their support. I believe it is mostly a labor of love and sharing, but a developer needs an incentive to rationalize the time spent on a product with no initial paying customer. There is also a promotion of reputation in the process that is good for getting future contract work. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: strange issue
Oh My! Yes, I got a second stack with the same issue... Yet, other stacks work correctly with the same property... yet these work ok in my other systems! I singled it out to the 2.6.1 engine... Can anyone remember if they have had problems with global names conflicting with custom property names? Seriously scared: If rev cannot differentiate between globalname and customproperty[] of control there may be many more errors going to be present elsewhere. No, I dont want to be an alarmist, im just wondering if anyone has seen this too I case it gets serious later. AFTER some testing, I found that if you set the xos[dragstack] to true it works again... But I feel lucky that I found this issue (and solution). Question is, how do you know if your data or your handler is corrupt? Answer: script get the xos[dragstack] if Handler: Running low on memory, script aborted recursionLimit: Recursion limit reached abs: error in source expression accept: bad expression is in it then... it's corrupt! /script Is there a stack format change between 2.5 or 2.6 and 2.6.1? cheers Xavier http://monsieurx.com/taoo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 8:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; How to use Revolution Subject: Re: strange issue After some testing, it seems this engine specific and not a revGUI issue. I thought it could have been the revmessage box but it also happens in MetaCard's msg box. So MC engine version 2.6.6 has a problem! Any confirmations to enter a concrete bugzilla is welcome... Second bugzilla today!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 21/10/2005 06:40:44: I have this custom prop put the xos[dragstack] of this stack It tell TAOO whether a stack can be dragged on a mousedown event... very handy... but if I start checking this on one stack EditNO2 in the message box if get all the error messages in the answer! put the xos[dragstack] of stack editno2 Handler: Running low on memory, script aborted recursionLimit: Recursion limit reached abs: error in source expression accept: bad expression etc... if I put the script in a button it works - although the mousedown handler doesnt!!! If I debug the mousedown handler rev freezes... If I debug the handler and do the put xos[dragstack] show into the message, the xos[dragstack] is empty!!! im pretty sure that im selecting the right stack's cusom props. Im sure the prop is there and it contains true... can anyone explain this? This works fine in rr 2.5 but no more in 2.6.1... cheers Xavier ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Resizing Boxes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think my problems began when I was in a field inspector screen. Instead of putting in the left position as a three digit number as I wanted to I stupidly typed in a six digit number. After doing that revolution crashed and it hasn't been the same since. That's good info. If that's really what caused the problem, then it seems like a simple reinstall should fix it, which would cause Rev to revert to its default settings. Did you try that? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AW: Resizing Boxes
In a message dated 10/21/05 10:47:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Joe, this would be a crude fix but you might try it: Edit the script of the stack using edit the script of stack revMenuManager and then put in on openStack set the rect of stack revMenuManager to 100,100,580,540 -- probably add: pass openStack end openStack Try to save the stack (it worked on my PC). All the best Thomas Hi Thomas, Thanks that worked nicely. Now I need to fix the inspector and the error boxes. I was surprised that your script didn't work as a preOpenStack handler. Joe ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Resizing Boxes
In a message dated 10/21/05 11:22:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think my problems began when I was in a field inspector screen. Instead of putting in the left position as a three digit number as I wanted to I stupidly typed in a six digit number. After doing that revolution crashed and it hasn't been the same since. That's good info. If that's really what caused the problem, then it seems like a simple reinstall should fix it, which would cause Rev to revert to its default settings. Did you try that? I tried that but it didn't work. I think there's something wrong with my stacks not Revolution. I also tried trashing the Rev preferences. That also didn't fix it. I found two preferences files, Perhaps there are more and I didn't trash the right one. Joe ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Rev Built-in cursors IDs
Hi all, All built-in cursors IDs have been changed between Rev 2.6 and 2.6.1. For instance ID 202619 has been changed for 76 and there is no numeric relation between the old and the new ones. This is not important for standalones but is really annoying for stacks, utilities, plugins, etc. I know that ID 1 to 100 are theoretically reserved for built-in cursors. This feature was not respected: Now it is and you have to revise all your stuff :-( The lesson seems to be: don't trust the image library provided by RunRev and import by yourself all needed images into a stack if you don't plan to make a standalone ;-) Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Learning center videos don't play
Someone running Windows XP is having problems running the Learning Center videos, and I'm wondering if anyone here has encountered this problem before. The videos download correctly and are stored in the correct Revolution cache folder, so a network problem isn't the reason. If he double-clicks the video inside the folder, Windows Media Player launches and plays the video okay, which means the codec is also correctly installed. However, the video does not display or play when he clicks the Play button inside the Revolution Learning Center after the download. He has installed QuickTime to see if that helps, but the result is the same. Has anyone else encountered this? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev Built-in cursors IDs
Le 21-oct.-05 à 17:51, Eric Chatonet a écrit : Hi all, All built-in cursors IDs have been changed between Rev 2.6 and 2.6.1. For instance ID 202619 has been changed for 76 and there is no numeric relation between the old and the new ones. This is not important for standalones but is really annoying for stacks, utilities, plugins, etc. I know that ID 1 to 100 are theoretically reserved for built-in cursors. This feature was not respected: Now it is and you have to revise all your stuff :-( The lesson seems to be: don't trust the image library provided by RunRev and import by yourself all needed images into a stack if you don't plan to make a standalone ;-) I agree with your analyze. More, the cursor 76 looks very smaller on the screen than the 202619 Greetings. Yves COPPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Rev Built-in cursors IDs
You can do this: Put the ID of image whatever cursor of card myCard of stack myStack into tID Set the cursor to tID This way, it figures out the right ID number whenever it switches cursors - thus avoiding a problem if the ID has changed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Chatonet Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 11:52 AM To: How to use Revolution Cc: Runtime Revolution Support Subject: Rev Built-in cursors IDs Hi all, All built-in cursors IDs have been changed between Rev 2.6 and 2.6.1. For instance ID 202619 has been changed for 76 and there is no numeric relation between the old and the new ones. This is not important for standalones but is really annoying for stacks, utilities, plugins, etc. I know that ID 1 to 100 are theoretically reserved for built-in cursors. This feature was not respected: Now it is and you have to revise all your stuff :-( The lesson seems to be: don't trust the image library provided by RunRev and import by yourself all needed images into a stack if you don't plan to make a standalone ;-) Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Constellation
Ben, When I first got the urge to write another script editor (Constellation), I discussed it with Chipp Walters, Chris Bohnert, and Dan Shafer. I also chatted with Richard Gaskin about it. The first part of that conversation centered around doing Constellation as an open source project. I think you are right about the nature of team work in the Rev environs, but also the nature of the Rev developer is part of the reason that we don't have a traditional open source movement within our community. Developers normally disagree on UI, but Rev developers disagree on UI and workflow both. I think this is because we are Mac, Windows and Linux users. This makes collaborating difficult. You have to have a tall dog in the group to say: This is the way we're going to do it. And then there's the part you highlighted: the technical nuts and bolts of versioning, for which there are tools (Chipp's Magic Carpet, for one). I think it may be the non-coding part of team work that gums up the works IMHO. One way around that is for one person to take a project to a certain point where a commitment has been made as to direction and then the following becomes less like herding cats. The Burn the boats! approach it's sometimes called. That's kind of what I thought I'd do with Constellation. Get it going and then call in reinforcements. My initial focus group didn't think it was a realistic idea due to the size of the Rev developer customer base and because the technology itself was not mainstream enough or the darling of the right group of techies. I think they were right. We do have our own way of doing things openly though, and it seems to work. My code is not locked, for instance, and most other Rev commercial products aren't either. I have bought product from Key Ray and Chipp. Any time I have a project where I am getting paid, I'm more than happy to allocate some of the project money to code, libraries and products that make a specific contribution to the project. As someone said before...we exchange money with each other a lot. Also, in open source environs, SOMEBODY puts up some money SOMEWHERE. IBM, for example, pays a lot of people to contribute to the open source community because it is in its best interests. Others donate time because they know they will get speaker or consultant fees for the knowledge they will accrue in the process of working for free. I think you get my drift here. I think the way we're doing it is good, but at some point, the idealogical, technical and market forces WILL converge or become favorable enough to support a more traditional open source movement that includes Transcript and/or Revolution. SO...it's good you bring it up. Maybe that day of convergence is today. Best, Jerry http://www.daniels-mara.com/products/constellation.htm Scripts and properties in a tabbed editor! Video tutorials! On Oct 20, 2005, at 7:43 PM, Ben Fisher wrote: Well, I guess Constellation beat me to it... I had also been working on a similar script editing interface. It looks pretty nice though. Just a few comments... It seems like a lot of the plug-ins and tools for Revolution lately are being sold. There is nothing wrong with this, in fact most of the time these products look nicer and are easier to use. However, I am always more attracted to free open-source projects, not just because of the price, but also because of the spirit. Developers helping each other, one of the reasons I subscribe to this list. If I download open-source code, I can contribute to the project. All fellow developers can profit from my contributions, and not just the few who can afford to buy. Perhaps Revolution is partly at fault: that stacks (not being text files) are not as easy to be developed by a team. Or maybe I just belong to a different generation of coders? After thriving off of free software for so long, it felt kind of awkward for me to spend the money to even upgrade my version of Revolution. Paying money just to get the language? I'm sure many other potential Rev developers are discouraged by the same type of feelings. I propose that a central website be created, full of code from the Rev universe. More structured than a wiki, files would be uploaded into categories and directories, but the whole database could be quickly searched. Most importantly, there would be a section composed of tools and utilities all completely free and open source. I know websites like this already exist, but it would be so much cooler if there were one authoritative Rev Source. -Ben Fisher ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing
Re: Learning center videos don't play
On Oct 21, 2005, at 9:08 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Someone running Windows XP is having problems running the Learning Center videos, and I'm wondering if anyone here has encountered this problem before. The videos download correctly and are stored in the correct Revolution cache folder, so a network problem isn't the reason. If he double-clicks the video inside the folder, Windows Media Player launches and plays the video okay, which means the codec is also correctly installed. However, the video does not display or play when he clicks the Play button inside the Revolution Learning Center after the download. He has installed QuickTime to see if that helps, but the result is the same. Jacque, The video playing in Windows Media Player doesn't mean the codec is installed for QuickTime. The videos use the Ensharpen codec if I remember correctly. This is just the QuickTime wrapper for the TechSmith tscc codec. You can have the Windows Media version of the codec installed but not the QuickTime version. You may want to check this by trying to open the videos in QuickTime player. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev Built-in cursors IDs
Eric Chatonet wrote: All built-in cursors IDs have been changed between Rev 2.6 and 2.6.1. For instance ID 202619 has been changed for 76 and there is no numeric relation between the old and the new ones. This is not important for standalones but is really annoying for stacks, utilities, plugins, etc. I believe this change is an effort to bring IDs back into the reserved ranges stated in the docs. While possible momentarily annoying, this is not the first change to cursor IDs and is a better choice than the last one. This change effectively corrects the out-of-range IDs introduced the last time cursor IDs were changed (v2.5?). Honoring reserved ID ranges benefits us all. So while some may need to make one-time changes, just as they did the last time cursor IDs changed, at least this time we know the cursor IDs will not conflict with any other IDs outside of the reserved ranges. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev Built-in cursors IDs
Hi Lynch, Would you mean: put the ID of image magnifier win.gif of card card id 1002 of stack revCustomCursors into tID :-) A bit long for my brains... And if, in a further version, Runrev changed the name of this stack too? ;-) I prefer import the image by myself... Just me and the engine! Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. Le 21 oct. 05 à 18:11, Lynch, Jonathan a écrit : You can do this: Put the ID of image whatever cursor of card myCard of stack myStack into tID Set the cursor to tID This way, it figures out the right ID number whenever it switches cursors - thus avoiding a problem if the ID has changed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Chatonet Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 11:52 AM To: How to use Revolution Cc: Runtime Revolution Support Subject: Rev Built-in cursors IDs Hi all, All built-in cursors IDs have been changed between Rev 2.6 and 2.6.1. For instance ID 202619 has been changed for 76 and there is no numeric relation between the old and the new ones. This is not important for standalones but is really annoying for stacks, utilities, plugins, etc. I know that ID 1 to 100 are theoretically reserved for built-in cursors. This feature was not respected: Now it is and you have to revise all your stuff :-( The lesson seems to be: don't trust the image library provided by RunRev and import by yourself all needed images into a stack if you don't plan to make a standalone ;-) Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Rev Built-in cursors IDs
That is what I mean... And if they change the name of the image, or of the stack, then yup, you'd be hosed. It was a suggestion, but I agree that your approach keeps you safest - For my TaskMage (www.workmage.com) stack, I do indeed use my own cursors - can't go wrong that way. Cheers, Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Chatonet Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 12:49 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Rev Built-in cursors IDs Hi Lynch, Would you mean: put the ID of image magnifier win.gif of card card id 1002 of stack revCustomCursors into tID :-) A bit long for my brains... And if, in a further version, Runrev changed the name of this stack too? ;-) I prefer import the image by myself... Just me and the engine! Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. Le 21 oct. 05 à 18:11, Lynch, Jonathan a écrit : You can do this: Put the ID of image whatever cursor of card myCard of stack myStack into tID Set the cursor to tID This way, it figures out the right ID number whenever it switches cursors - thus avoiding a problem if the ID has changed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Chatonet Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 11:52 AM To: How to use Revolution Cc: Runtime Revolution Support Subject: Rev Built-in cursors IDs Hi all, All built-in cursors IDs have been changed between Rev 2.6 and 2.6.1. For instance ID 202619 has been changed for 76 and there is no numeric relation between the old and the new ones. This is not important for standalones but is really annoying for stacks, utilities, plugins, etc. I know that ID 1 to 100 are theoretically reserved for built-in cursors. This feature was not respected: Now it is and you have to revise all your stuff :-( The lesson seems to be: don't trust the image library provided by RunRev and import by yourself all needed images into a stack if you don't plan to make a standalone ;-) Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev Built-in cursors IDs
Hi Richard, As I said, I understand the idea to bring IDs back into the reserved range stated in the documentation. But as far as I know (I have just verified), cursors IDs had not changed since Rev 1.1.1 (the oldest version I have) So it seems to be a real 2.6.1 novelty :-( Le 21 oct. 05 à 18:47, Richard Gaskin a écrit : Eric Chatonet wrote: All built-in cursors IDs have been changed between Rev 2.6 and 2.6.1. For instance ID 202619 has been changed for 76 and there is no numeric relation between the old and the new ones. This is not important for standalones but is really annoying for stacks, utilities, plugins, etc. I believe this change is an effort to bring IDs back into the reserved ranges stated in the docs. While possible momentarily annoying, this is not the first change to cursor IDs and is a better choice than the last one. This change effectively corrects the out-of-range IDs introduced the last time cursor IDs were changed (v2.5?). Honoring reserved ID ranges benefits us all. So while some may need to make one-time changes, just as they did the last time cursor IDs changed, at least this time we know the cursor IDs will not conflict with any other IDs outside of the reserved ranges. -- Richard Gaskin Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Metal button
Hi Stephen, Here's the deal with ButtonGadget for Mac. You see, one of the neatest features of ButtonGadget is you can just click an image on a web page and it will auto-download and launch ButtonGadget. This bit of trickery worked fine a couple years ago when BG was first created. Getting this feature to work on the Mac with Safari is much more difficult (if not impossible), and it's also becoming more difficult to do it with all the 'protective features' of web browsers on PC's as well. So, what I really need is a rewrite of ButtonGadget's buttonset libraries. And while I'm at it, I should allow people to build their own buttons templates as well (now they can import them from Photoshop/GIMP/PSP Png files). Plus, I'm in the process of adding a whole bunch of cool editing parts including BittyFont (small bitmap font rendering engine for Rev) and some cool new widget building tools (kinda like Interface Designer stuff on steroids). Of course if you really have to have it, you can purchase the PC version, go to the special users area, download the ButtonGadgetPro beta, which installs a stack in your libraries folder, which should run just fine on Mac. You'll of course need to right-click the buttonsets from the webpage and 'save target as' to the buttonplugins folder so they appear in your library. best, Chipp Stephen Barncard wrote: Except there is NO $%^##$% MAC VERSION of Button Gadget... long, long ago, there used to be...OS9? It had a few bugs but it worked... I've been meaning to ask Chipp: What is it about Windoze that makes it work? Wasn't it written in Transcript? Or is it just about priorities/time (which I fully understand)? Quoting René Micout [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, How can I make metal button aspect like, for example, in iPhoto You could do what I did and buy Button-Gadget Pro from Altuit. http://www.buttongadget.com/buttongadget/AboutButtonGadget.htm Her you can see a screenshot. bob ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Metal button
Sorry, late to this thread. I have a nifty little 'metal button' tutorial for photoshop users at: www.chipp.com René Micout wrote: Hello, How can I make metal button aspect like, for example, in iPhoto ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Constellation
Hi Ben, I certainly understand the allure of open source-- and am thankful for it. Interestingly, it is not totally the 'free spirited not for profit' many believe it to be, as many of those who are involved have sound business (commercial money-making) reasons for doing so-- like IBM and Linspire. In fact there are entire business strategies around how to profit from starting an open source project. Take MySQL for instance. If you want to use it for your company, you must pay a license fee (and it's not that small either). I look at all software as tools (I'm not a gamer;-), and I always ask myself what the benefit of a purchased software tool is to me vs the time I would need to create it or download a 'free' version. For instance, TechSmith makes Camtasia, a fine commercial product for capturing screen activity and making a movie of it. I know there are a lot of freeware and opensource alternatives, but I choose the Camtasia product because it's more robust, has more features, and is better supported. I'm willing to trade $$$ for this convenience. Others are not and that's certainly their perogative! I believe Richard Gaskin said it quite well on an earlier post: The irony of GPL is that it can unfairly favor the wealthy: common workers need to eat and pay rent, leaving only those with sufficient wealth for significant leisure projects able to work on GPL stuff. Once this wealth is applied to an application category, free can have the same effect as the antitrust violation of dumping, driving working people out of the market leaving only the product driven by unrelated wealth. Sorry Mr. Stallman, but that's what happens in a gift economy when programmers are the only ones gifting while landlords and grocers still expect to be paid. That said, I think OS projects can work in Rev. Take a look at the MetaCard IDE for instance, it's all open sourced (though it didn't start that way). Regarding multiple users working together, I have an interesting story. Richard Gaskin, Jacque Gay and I all have our own property editor plugins which display ALL the rev control props, not just the ones the Rev IDE lets you see. So, we decided to group our ideas and make a single 'super' object prop editor in an 'open source' sort of way, and include it in the standard Rev IDE distro. Sounds like a fairly simple idea. Now, I believe all three of us to be competent Rev programmers, each with a couple commercial apps coded in Transcript under our belt. As we sat down to do this simple task, it became evident the management of the decision process was much more 'time and process intensive' than just writing the damn thing, which any of us could do easily! Truly a valuable insight to me. I don't think it ever got finished. At least it's not in the distro at this time. We all just had too much other stuff to do. (I notice in a previous post of yours, you too, have similar time constraints for creating 'free' stuff). Now that's only a single instance, but does point out how sometimes it's much easier to sit down and write your own product, sell it or give it away, than work with a group to develop it. In fact, most my free plugins are developed just this way. I have a need, develop for myself and give it to the community. best wishes, Chipp Ben Fisher wrote: It seems like a lot of the plug-ins and tools for Revolution lately are being sold. However, I am always more attracted to free open-source projects, not just because of the price, but also because of the spirit. Developers helping each other, one of the reasons I subscribe to this list. If I download open-source code, I can contribute to the project. All fellow developers can profit from my contributions, and not just the few who can afford to buy. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Slightly OT: Setting privileges on OS-X
Sarah, I knew I had to use the chmod command, but thanks to you it is up and running :-)) Many thanks for your help! Ton On 20-okt-05, at 01:16, Sarah Reichelt wrote: Are there Unix-wizzkids out there? I've created a small RR app that creates a bunch of standard folders (like the list below) where users can drop job-related items in. Now I need to secure these folders, but not the content... The folders I create may not be deleted by a user, only by the owner, which will be me :-)) but the users are allowed to create new folders or files in the basic folders. These files and folders they should be able to change, delete, rename, etc. Hi Ton, I don't claim to be a Unix-wizzkid at all, but I have learnt some stuff about privileges. Each file or folder in Unix / OS X has 3 sets of privileges: owner, group guest. There are 3 settings in each set: read, write and execute (r, w x). If you open a Terminal window and type ls -l and press Return, you will see a list of items in the current folder. The first section of the data shows the current privilege settings. Here is an example: -rwxr-xr-xa file where the owner can do anything (rwx) , the group can read execute but not write (r-x) and guests (anyone else) can also read execute but not write (r-x). If the first character was d instead of -, then it would be a folder (directory). To change these settings, you need to use the chmod command. To add write privileges for all users to a file, use a command like this: chmod a+w filename To remove write privileges, use this: chmod a-w filename However this does not stop people deleting your files or folders. To make a folder sticky i.e. make it so that users other than the owner can only add files and not delete them, use this command: chmod +t foldername To make files undeletable, I would use an AppleScript to toggle their locked setting: Here is an example that asks for a file, then locks it so it cannot be deleted. tell application Finder set tFile to choose file set the locked of file tFile to true end tell I hope this helps, but please email me directly if you think I can be of any further assistance. Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Constellation
Jerry- Friday, October 21, 2005, 9:33:16 AM, you wrote: Developers normally disagree on UI, but Rev developers disagree on UI and workflow both. ROTFL -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
AW: AW: Resizing Boxes
Hi, Thanks that worked nicely. Now I need to fix the inspector and the error boxes. I was surprised that your script didn't work as a preOpenStack handler. Actually I never thought of this, I'm slowly moving from HyperCard to Revolution and have not arrived yet. No preOpenStack in HyperCard... I was only wondering if you could edit the stack script, since it looks a lot like you're not supposed to - on Windows at least all the inspectors and script items on the Object menu are greyed out. But it really looks like messed up preferences. Does nobody know where and how Revolution stores the rects of these stacks and boxes? Possibly in the license.rev stack? All the best Thomas -- Thomas Fischer Salzburg ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AW: AW: Resizing Boxes
Hi Thomas, The main part of the user preferences is stored in the custom properties of the Rev Preferences stack. As for the Menu Builder, only the topleft of the stack (the cREVMenuManagerTopLeft of stack revPreferences) is stored in order to position again the window at the same place where it has been closed. The rect is not saved since it's not a resizable stack. Allow the Contextual menus work in Revolution windows in the General pane of the Rev Preferences stack and you will be able to study this using the contextual menu (Ctrl or right click). Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. Le 21 oct. 05 à 19:29, Thomas Fischer a écrit : Hi, Thanks that worked nicely. Now I need to fix the inspector and the error boxes. I was surprised that your script didn't work as a preOpenStack handler. Actually I never thought of this, I'm slowly moving from HyperCard to Revolution and have not arrived yet. No preOpenStack in HyperCard... I was only wondering if you could edit the stack script, since it looks a lot like you're not supposed to - on Windows at least all the inspectors and script items on the Object menu are greyed out. But it really looks like messed up preferences. Does nobody know where and how Revolution stores the rects of these stacks and boxes? Possibly in the license.rev stack? All the best Thomas -- Thomas Fischer Salzburg So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Constellation
Jerry Daniels wrote: And then there's the part you highlighted: the technical nuts and bolts of versioning, for which there are tools (Chipp's Magic Carpet, for one). I think it may be the non-coding part of team work that gums up the works IMHO. One way around that is for one person to take a project to a certain point where a commitment has been made as to direction and then the following becomes less like herding cats. The Burn the boats! approach it's sometimes called. That's kind of what I thought I'd do with Constellation. Good call, and reflective of how most successful open source projects work, or at least got started. The herding cats aspect is why so many open source projects never get off the ground. In contrast, projects as big as Linux and as small as the MetaCard IDE manage to run several years with sucessful releases because the project's founder conveyed a clear vision with a finished work, providing a mandate that focuses contributor efforts. Without such a well-communicated mandate projects often languish in analysis paralysis, like a painter standing before a boundless canvas wondering where to start. Also, in open source environs, SOMEBODY puts up some money SOMEWHERE. Yep. Contrary to the complex theories of some open source advocates, in practice it turns out that even open source contributors need to eat. The gift economy only truly works when everyone gifts, but as long as it's only programmers doing the gifting it'll still take cash somewhere in the chain to put a roof over the programmer's head and food in her stomach while she's typing. In America the definition of socialism has become distorted to the point that many misunderstand it to be synonymous with communism. And yet if we consider that most open source wares began life in publicly-funded institutions, in effect what we have is a form of socialized software, in which a portion of the taxes we've paid have gone into starting GNU, Mozilla, and other public works. Personally I don't mind this at all; I'd rather have the government displacing products from Microsoft than some of the other projects they undertake. Even the Internet which makes all this possible was for most of its life a federally funded project until it was privatized by the Clinton administration in mid-90s. Those of us working on smaller projects don't get federal funding, and IBM isn't cutting us checks either (yet, though I do believe AOL wastes a significant amount of its development budget by not using Rev; hopefully one of us will have the opportunity to explain that to them one day). So instead we cover our development costs in any number of other ways, and one of them is asking for value directly from the user in exchange for the value recieved. In a sense commercial software is arguably the most egalitarian funding model, as it asks the same contribution from everyone who choses to participate. In conrast, the vast majority of people who benefit from open source projects never give anything in return (adding a whole other dimension to the word user g). With devolution I've experimented with a middle path between gratis and commercial packages: devo is free to use, but one can show their support by making a modest payment and get technical support and a limited license to the source to boot. This model has worked well for me: it's brought in very little revenue, but since I make devolution for my own use and my clients it doesn't matter, as I'm free to build it however I like without having to consider the commercial potential of features, or invest heavily in documentation. rant And as we've learned from watching SuperCard and Rev over the years, it doesn't matter how many tens of thousands of dollars you invest in docs, people will always complain about them even when you deliver more than companies a hundred times your size. Indeed the only xTalks I've seen with few complaints about the docs were HyperCard, which had a plethora of third-party books, and MetaCard, whose pricing acted as a sort of whinge filter, eliminating virtually everyone but the professional developer. /rant I respect and admire your releasing Constellation as a commercial product. For such a polished and useful toolkit your pricing is far below what it's worth. With any luck your users will recognize this and buy a couple extra licenses to bring their contribution up to the value of what you've delivered to them. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev Built-in cursors IDs
Eric Chatonet wrote: All built-in cursors IDs have been changed between Rev 2.6 and 2.6.1. For instance ID 202619 has been changed for 76 and there is no numeric relation between the old and the new ones. This is not important for standalones but is really annoying for stacks, utilities, plugins, etc. I believe this change is an effort to bring IDs back into the reserved ranges stated in the docs. While possible momentarily annoying, this is not the first change to cursor IDs and is a better choice than the last one. This change effectively corrects the out-of-range IDs introduced the last time cursor IDs were changed (v2.5?). As I said, I understand the idea to bring IDs back into the reserved range stated in the documentation. But as far as I know (I have just verified), cursors IDs had not changed since Rev 1.1.1 (the oldest version I have) The hand, arrow, and vertical splitter cursor IDs changed in v2.5: http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2103 http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2032 Thankfully, with this latest revision we can expect it to be the last we'll need to accomodate for a very long time. Now that all of the cursor IDs are within the established reserved ranges, we can hope that going forward if the Rev IDE needs new cursor images it'll use new cursor IDs for those, rather than change existing cursors. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Mac OS icns
Hi, just wanted to check to make sure i have this correct. to associate icn resources with a macos app, the referring resources must be 129 for the application and 128 for files, correct? It works in practice for me, but the 261 documentation says to use 128 for standalone apps and no mention of the files number. in looking at the created apps, 129 is the application icn and 128 is the file icn. cheers, Jeff ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Constellation
Ben brought out an excellent topic, since it could be that Rev needs another boost in market share and public recognition. Along the lines of commentary, I offer my thoughts that may have no bearing on the core of the issue, but are pertinent to the developers I know and could be possible contributors to some open source collaboration. Another factor in the 'value' vs 'benefit' to open source and commercial software is that the utilizer (user) has to study any of the material and forge a solution by combining it with something else. This is also a cost, often an insidious, slowly-revealing hidden cost. The effort required could be simple steps to produce a fabulous result and the end-product that is quite valuable. In most any case I can think of, a tool/utility/widget/product is only the beginning of the work path. I dare say that many of the attractive/cool utilities that we all collect, end up gathering magnetic dust in a corner of our hard drives. There simply is not enough time to follow through on all the tasks we would like to solve and master. It could be as simple as I am married now, my wife will kill me, that was a lost three days to figure out, my client is slowing down the project, my client is now asking for , after all this work I find out that what I need next cannot be done... and on. Given that there are so many levels of completion on our hard drives, it is more a question of necessity that determines what we manage to finish and what remains a work in progress. So many tasks, so little time. The last factor that I have learned by years of experience is how to correct for misjudging the time-it-takes-to-finish even the smallest function or feature. I constantly find myself saying that will only take 2 hours to do, and, of course, it takes 4 before I am happy with it. For me, the correction is to wake up, smell the coffee and accept that I will get less done than I like. I know this is not a philosophical sounding and steeped in more formal language, but the issues of collaboration go beyond the desire and opportunity of the participants. Real life happens while we are merrily immersed in the abstract world of our choosing. Go for it, Ben, but realize that at my stage, (recently married, starting two businesses, approaching retirement in 10 years), I know that I am not a candidate for collaboration. I will try to give back to the list and others as I am able in the coming years, but have to realize my time limitations. Jim Ault Las Vegas On 10/21/05 10:10 AM, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ben, I certainly understand the allure of open source-- and am thankful for it. Interestingly, it is not totally the 'free spirited not for profit' many believe it to be, as many of those who are involved have sound business (commercial money-making) reasons for doing so-- like IBM and Linspire. In fact there are entire business strategies around how to profit from starting an open source project. Take MySQL for instance. If you want to use it for your company, you must pay a license fee (and it's not that small either). I look at all software as tools (I'm not a gamer;-), and I always ask myself what the benefit of a purchased software tool is to me vs the time I would need to create it or download a 'free' version. For instance, TechSmith makes Camtasia, a fine commercial product for capturing screen activity and making a movie of it. I know there are a lot of freeware and opensource alternatives, but I choose the Camtasia product because it's more robust, has more features, and is better supported. I'm willing to trade $$$ for this convenience. Others are not and that's certainly their perogative! I believe Richard Gaskin said it quite well on an earlier post: The irony of GPL is that it can unfairly favor the wealthy: common workers need to eat and pay rent, leaving only those with sufficient wealth for significant leisure projects able to work on GPL stuff. Once this wealth is applied to an application category, free can have the same effect as the antitrust violation of dumping, driving working people out of the market leaving only the product driven by unrelated wealth. Sorry Mr. Stallman, but that's what happens in a gift economy when programmers are the only ones gifting while landlords and grocers still expect to be paid. That said, I think OS projects can work in Rev. Take a look at the MetaCard IDE for instance, it's all open sourced (though it didn't start that way). Regarding multiple users working together, I have an interesting story. Richard Gaskin, Jacque Gay and I all have our own property editor plugins which display ALL the rev control props, not just the ones the Rev IDE lets you see. So, we decided to group our ideas and make a single 'super' object prop editor in an 'open source' sort of way, and include it in the standard Rev IDE distro. Sounds like a fairly simple idea. Now, I
Re-2: Learning center videos don't play
Trevor, please allow me to answer, as i am the one who has problems opening the videotuts in LearningCenter. I can open the videos in QuckTimePlayer without a problem. Matthias Original Message Subject: Re: Learning center videos don't play (21-Okt-2005 18:54) From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Oct 21, 2005, at 9:08 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Someone running Windows XP is having problems running the Learning Center videos, and I'm wondering if anyone here has encountered this problem before. The videos download correctly and are stored in the correct Revolution cache folder, so a network problem isn't the reason. If he double-clicks the video inside the folder, Windows Media Player launches and plays the video okay, which means the codec is also correctly installed. However, the video does not display or play when he clicks the Play button inside the Revolution Learning Center after the download. He has installed QuickTime to see if that helps, but the result is the same. Jacque, The video playing in Windows Media Player doesn't mean the codec is installed for QuickTime. The videos use the Ensharpen codec if I remember correctly. This is just the QuickTime wrapper for the TechSmith tscc codec. You can have the Windows Media version of the codec installed but not the QuickTime version. You may want to check this by trying to open the videos in QuickTime player. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Cc: ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Constellation
It is a fundamental Truth of the Universe (when you reach my advanced stage of life you can even afford to pontificate now and again) that everything takes longer than you think it will even when you take into account that everything takes longer than you think it will. Combine this with your other point, namely that there's just too darned much interesting about life in general let alone your digital life and you see why so many projects (as you so delightfully phrased it) end up gathering magnetic dust in a corner of our hard drives. On Oct 21, 2005, at 11:28 AM, Jim Ault wrote: For me, the correction is to wake up, smell the coffee and accept that I will get less done than I like. ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learning center videos don't play
Trevor DeVore wrote: On Oct 21, 2005, at 9:08 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Someone running Windows XP is having problems running the Learning Center videos, and I'm wondering if anyone here has encountered this problem before. The videos download correctly and are stored in the correct Revolution cache folder, so a network problem isn't the reason. If he double-clicks the video inside the folder, Windows Media Player launches and plays the video okay, which means the codec is also correctly installed. However, the video does not display or play when he clicks the Play button inside the Revolution Learning Center after the download. He has installed QuickTime to see if that helps, but the result is the same. Jacque, The video playing in Windows Media Player doesn't mean the codec is installed for QuickTime. The videos use the Ensharpen codec if I remember correctly. This is just the QuickTime wrapper for the TechSmith tscc codec. You can have the Windows Media version of the codec installed but not the QuickTime version. You may want to check this by trying to open the videos in QuickTime player. Thanks Trevor. But he only installed QT to see if that helped. As I understand it, the videos should have played via WMP to begin with. I forgot to mention that he tried installing on a different Windows machine as well, with the same non-results. Since Rev installs the codec according to platform, I suspected that codecs aren't the problem, but of course, I'd love to be wrong. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding something. Apparently clicking the Play button in the learning center does nothing. Any other ideas? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Command-Period
Hi Everyone, It's that newbie pest from Orlando again! In HyperCard I could type command-period to stop a script. If I did it when a dialog box is displayed it stops the script at that point. Is there a keyboard command I can use in revolution to stop a script when a dialog box is displayed. Obviously Command-Period doesn't do it. :(. Joe, ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
On Getting My Money Five Bucks at a Time
The current discussion about open source and commercial software and their attendant business models reminded me of an historical artifact I decided had some potential interest and value here. I'll share it briefly; if you're interested in pursuing it further, I'd be happy to participate. Back in the late 1970's and early 1980's -- a couple of millennia ago by computer standards, I know -- there was a company in Oakland, CA, called MaxThink run by a very cool guy named Neil Larson. (The company's Web site is still online at www.maxthink.biz but I don't know if they're still doing business.) Their primary product was called, oddly enough, MaxThink. It was an outliner on steroids. It ran only on DOS. It sold for something like $50. And I was addicted to it. IT did some things that as far as I know no outliner today approaches yet. Neil promoted his products (he had a couple of other titles that were also very useful that I also bought, as I recall for less than $50 each) through a wildly entertaining and outrageously opinionated newsletter that came by snail mail every month (this pre-dates the Web, of course). This is the trick. Every 2-3 months, Neil would introduce a new add- on or upgrade for his products. These would generally be relatively inexpensive (again, memory tells me they were under $20 each as a rule) and would be such wonderful additions to the main product or improvements on it that you just couldn't see a reason to say no. Well, one time my company applied for a line of credit at a local bank and among other things they asked for an inventory of all the software we owned. I was stunned to find that MaxThink had, over the space of something like 2-1/2 or 3 years, gotten more of my money than Bill Gates had managed. If you'd asked me, I'd have said the MaxThink software was near the bottom of the paid value list of software we owned but it was at the absolute top. Subscription models -- which didn't exist then, of course -- that offer, for a relatively low-priced product like Constellation or even a moderately low priced product like Revolution, enhancements, updates and add-ons at small incremental charges (encompassed in the subscription but available for extra fees for non-subscribers) seems to me to have the best promise for a solid business model for software, especially for developers and hard-core users. And I think the MaxThink model proves that point. I'll now return you to your regularly scheduled messaging. ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Constellation
On Oct 21, 2005, at 2:28 PM, Jim Ault wrote: Another factor in the 'value' vs 'benefit' to open source and commercial software is that the utilizer (user) has to study any of the material and forge a solution by combining it with something else. This is also a cost, often an insidious, slowly-revealing hidden cost. Are you saying this is a difference between open-source and commercial software? That sure isn't my experience. (Rev provides an excellent example of non-open-source software that, for me at least, seems to require a lot of cobbling-together to make something finally usable.) Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point. Charles Hartman ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Constellation
Charles, Notwithstanding your experience and not sure of Jim's intention, I can attest to doing the 'multiple free program shuffle' many times. For instance to create a VCD from home videos took at least 5 free programs, so I just broke down and bought Nero which worked great. best, Chipp Charles Hartman wrote: Are you saying this is a difference between open-source and commercial software? That sure isn't my experience. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learning center videos don't play
On Oct 21, 2005, at 11:55 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Thanks Trevor. But he only installed QT to see if that helped. As I understand it, the videos should have played via WMP to begin with. I forgot to mention that he tried installing on a different Windows machine as well, with the same non-results. Since Rev installs the codec according to platform, I suspected that codecs aren't the problem, but of course, I'd love to be wrong. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding something. Apparently clicking the Play button in the learning center does nothing. Any other ideas? Okay, I didn't realize that on Windows it tries to use Windows Media Player. Looking at the code for the online viewer I would check that path where Windows Media Player is installed. The path is hard coded in the online viewer: case Win32 put false into sgSystemPlayer if there is a file C:/Program Files/Windows Media Player/ wmplayer.exe then put C:/Program Files/Windows Media Player/wmplayer.exe [[quote]][[sgVideoFilename]][[quote]] into sgPlayerCommand else if there is a file C:/Program Files/Windows Media Player/ mplayer2.exe then put C:/Program Files/Windows Media Player/mplayer2.exe [[quote]][[sgVideoFilename]][[quote]] into sgPlayerCommand end if set the visible of control Play of me to true break I assume that if the Media Player isn't located at C:/Program Files/ Windows Media Player/wmplayer.exe or C:/Program Files/Windows Media Player/mplayer2.exe then the launch command further on down would fail. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Resizing Boxes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/21/05 11:22:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think my problems began when I was in a field inspector screen. Instead of putting in the left position as a three digit number as I wanted to I stupidly typed in a six digit number. After doing that revolution crashed and it hasn't been the same since. That's good info. If that's really what caused the problem, then it seems like a simple reinstall should fix it, which would cause Rev to revert to its default settings. Did you try that? I tried that but it didn't work. I think there's something wrong with my stacks not Revolution. I also tried trashing the Rev preferences. That also didn't fix it. I found two preferences files, Perhaps there are more and I didn't trash the right one. Preferences aren't stored between installations, so when you reinstalled Revolution your preferences would have been replaced. I can't think of a way that your own stacks would affect the IDE, so it seems pretty unlikely that's it (though nothing is impossible.) Do your stacks contain any resizeStack handlers? Do you insert any scripts into the backscripts? If you open an IDE stack without opening any of your own, is the Rev stack the right size? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Constellation
On Oct 21, 2005, at 4:44 PM, Dan Shafer wrote: It is a fundamental Truth of the Universe (when you reach my advanced stage of life you can even afford to pontificate now and again) that everything takes longer than you think it will even when you take into account that everything takes longer than you think it will. I have told you my theory that if every project takes longer than imagined than you just go stacking them like domino tiles and hope that when you finish a easy one they will all be solved in chain reaction! :-) jokes apart, I think the best approach to get something done is 1) write a spec, something to guide you, like what problem you're trying to solve (thats an important question), how should your app behaves. 2) Adopt modular paradigm like model-view-controller, something to split GUI from code so that your code will be portable and maintainable. 3) Follow deadlines, even if you don't have one, go and create artificial one with punishments like: if I pass 10 of october without an alpha version of my new superduper rev game I shall be honor bound to drink a cup of orange juice with 3 spoons of salt 4) Always research, chances are someone created something similar to what you're trying to do, see how they did it, learn from others. For example, I love outliners and am trying to build a little one for personal use in Rev, I just downloaded everything from MORE to OmniOutliner and checked... decided I need to learn more :-) at least this is what my workflow looks... and yes, it still takes longer than planned. andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Constellation
No, sorry, I wasn't clear -- my point was the opposite. For almost everything I do (except sending email and writing prose) -- music for example -- I have to put together bits and pieces of programs, whether they're open-source or not. Since a lot of the grunge time goes (of course) into getting the programs to work together in either case, and since the commercial ones are generally *harder* to combine, the attraction of open-source solutions mounts up pretty quickly. But I think I'm off-topic. Sorry. Charles Hartman On Oct 21, 2005, at 3:19 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: Charles, Notwithstanding your experience and not sure of Jim's intention, I can attest to doing the 'multiple free program shuffle' many times. For instance to create a VCD from home videos took at least 5 free programs, so I just broke down and bought Nero which worked great. best, Chipp Charles Hartman wrote: Are you saying this is a difference between open-source and commercial software? That sure isn't my experience. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Constellation
What is an outliner? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andre Garzia Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 3:33 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Constellation On Oct 21, 2005, at 4:44 PM, Dan Shafer wrote: It is a fundamental Truth of the Universe (when you reach my advanced stage of life you can even afford to pontificate now and again) that everything takes longer than you think it will even when you take into account that everything takes longer than you think it will. I have told you my theory that if every project takes longer than imagined than you just go stacking them like domino tiles and hope that when you finish a easy one they will all be solved in chain reaction! :-) jokes apart, I think the best approach to get something done is 1) write a spec, something to guide you, like what problem you're trying to solve (thats an important question), how should your app behaves. 2) Adopt modular paradigm like model-view-controller, something to split GUI from code so that your code will be portable and maintainable. 3) Follow deadlines, even if you don't have one, go and create artificial one with punishments like: if I pass 10 of october without an alpha version of my new superduper rev game I shall be honor bound to drink a cup of orange juice with 3 spoons of salt 4) Always research, chances are someone created something similar to what you're trying to do, see how they did it, learn from others. For example, I love outliners and am trying to build a little one for personal use in Rev, I just downloaded everything from MORE to OmniOutliner and checked... decided I need to learn more :-) at least this is what my workflow looks... and yes, it still takes longer than planned. andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Command-Period
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, It's that newbie pest from Orlando again! I love newbie pests. I wish we had more of them. The list gets so geeky sometimes I think it scares people off. In HyperCard I could type command-period to stop a script. If I did it when a dialog box is displayed it stops the script at that point. Is there a keyboard command I can use in revolution to stop a script when a dialog box is displayed. Obviously Command-Period doesn't do it. :(. Command-period does stop a script in Revolution in most cases -- except where a dialog is up. Command-period while a dialog is on screen will just cancel the dialog. You have to Command-period before or after the dialog to actually stop the script. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learning center videos don't play
Trevor DeVore wrote: Okay, I didn't realize that on Windows it tries to use Windows Media Player. Looking at the code for the online viewer I would check that path where Windows Media Player is installed. The path is hard coded in the online viewer: case Win32 put false into sgSystemPlayer if there is a file C:/Program Files/Windows Media Player/ wmplayer.exe then put C:/Program Files/Windows Media Player/wmplayer.exe [[quote]][[sgVideoFilename]][[quote]] into sgPlayerCommand else if there is a file C:/Program Files/Windows Media Player/ mplayer2.exe then put C:/Program Files/Windows Media Player/mplayer2.exe [[quote]][[sgVideoFilename]][[quote]] into sgPlayerCommand end if set the visible of control Play of me to true break I assume that if the Media Player isn't located at C:/Program Files/ Windows Media Player/wmplayer.exe or C:/Program Files/Windows Media Player/mplayer2.exe then the launch command further on down would fail. Good sleuthing. Let's see what he says. If that's the problem, then Rev's scripts should probably be revised to account for a missing executable. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Constellation
On Oct 21, 2005, at 12:43 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote: What is an outliner? The greatest thing ever invented :-) If you are on OS X you can take a look at OmniOutliner: http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnioutliner/ -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
outliners Re: Constellation
Hi There Jonathan, wikipedia says: An outliner is a special text editor that allows the grouping of text in sections that are organized in a tree (hierarchy) of concepts, an outline. Outline tools can be used for computer programming, collecting or organizing ideas, or project management. Nowadays, outliners can do more than aggregate text, some add full multimedia features. Some cool entrypoints are: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outliner(wikipedia is a little weak on outliners) http://www.outliners.com/ (this one used to be a cool resource.) also check omni group homepage, their outliner is modern and very very elegant. Cheers andre On Oct 21, 2005, at 5:43 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote: What is an outliner? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
database
Hello, I'm a french newbie who once wrote stacks with HyperCard and Talk. I think I could try Revolution, but my interest now is in databases (I mean relational database without using SQL.) and I'm looking for, and not finding any example of databases build with Revolution. I mean something that looks like a FileMaker or a 4D product. Is ther any example on Revolution web site, or other ? Thanks Pascal ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learning center videos don't play
On Oct 21, 2005, at 1:05 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Good sleuthing. Let's see what he says. If that's the problem, then Rev's scripts should probably be revised to account for a missing executable. If this is the problem I think it would make sense to change the RevOnline code to check the registry for the installed path. On my XP machine this is located at: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\Installation Directory It seems that would be a little safer. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Looking for a cheap web hosting ISP - Go Dreamhost!
Stephen Barncard wrote: Go Dreamhost! Thank you - I did. Thanks to everyone who replied - I knew some of you guys would have done the same research I was doing. I decided to go with Dreamhost, mostly due to - good recommendations (though others also had that) - good price (since I'm not moving my existing sites, I needed another domain to be registered, so by including that in the price they sneaked in below Jaguar in price) - separate, different-network status page [this is so obvious, why does no-one else do it !!] - better support and FAQ pages (e.g. giving version numbers of the various packages installed) - I liked their bit on Frontpage (we recommend you don't run this, but if you must, we'll let you :-) I now have tweedly.org hosted at Dreamhost (but don't even look - there's nothing interesting there). btw - my brother beat me to tweedly.com and tweedly.co.uk - guess there are advantages to an unusual surname) -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/143 - Release Date: 19/10/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: database
Hi Pascal and welcome to Revolution! A long time ago, one of the developers of Rev was interested in such an animal and thought it could be programmed by combining SQLite with Rev. Unfortunately, the project never got off the ground, but our company does have a very nice SQLite connector which can do such work. If you're interested, there's a great (and easy) demo of it at: http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altSQLiteCover/default.htm Pascal wrote: I'm a french newbie who once wrote stacks with HyperCard and Talk. I think I could try Revolution, but my interest now is in databases (I mean relational database without using SQL.) and I'm looking for, and not finding any example of databases build with Revolution. I mean something that looks like a FileMaker or a 4D product. Is ther any example on Revolution web site, or other ? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Commercial, open-source, and ``free'' (GPL) software
All, Just a point of clarification, but open-source and free software are quite different concepts, as the people of FSF (the authors of the GPL and GNU) have taken great pains to point out (please see FSF web-site: http://www.fsf.org/), and, in any case, neither is necessarily ``free'' in the sense many on this list seem to assume. As the adage of the FSF says: ``Free software is a matter of liberty not price. You should think of free as in free speech.'' -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learning center videos don't play
Trevor DeVore wrote: On Oct 21, 2005, at 1:05 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Good sleuthing. Let's see what he says. If that's the problem, then Rev's scripts should probably be revised to account for a missing executable. If this is the problem I think it would make sense to change the RevOnline code to check the registry for the installed path. On my XP machine this is located at: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\Installation Directory It seems that would be a little safer. I just got a private email saying you were right and have solved the problem. Bravo, Trevor, you win today's prize (whatever it is.) :) I'll Bugzilla this one. The poster was running a copy of XP-German and his program folder is named programme. Thus, no match for the scripted file path, and no functional launch of Media Player. When he created a folder called Program Files and put Media Player into it, the videos launched correctly. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: outliners Re: Constellation
Naw, if you're on OSX and you're interested in outliners on steroids, skip past OmniOutliner (which is certainly a good product) anb get the best all-around piece of software on OSX for my money, NoteTaker from AquaMinds. That is the most elegant and usable and extensible software I've seen in many, many years. On Oct 21, 2005, at 1:06 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: Hi There Jonathan, wikipedia says: An outliner is a special text editor that allows the grouping of text in sections that are organized in a tree (hierarchy) of concepts, an outline. Outline tools can be used for computer programming, collecting or organizing ideas, or project management. Nowadays, outliners can do more than aggregate text, some add full multimedia features. Some cool entrypoints are: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outliner(wikipedia is a little weak on outliners) http://www.outliners.com/ (this one used to be a cool resource.) also check omni group homepage, their outliner is modern and very very elegant. Cheers andre On Oct 21, 2005, at 5:43 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote: What is an outliner? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learning center videos don't play
Better yet, they should be coded so they're not looking for a required component in a hard-wired place. DUmb. On Oct 21, 2005, at 1:05 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: If that's the problem, then Rev's scripts should probably be revised to account for a missing executable. ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learning center videos don't play
Dan Shafer wrote: Better yet, they should be coded so they're not looking for a required component in a hard-wired place. DUmb. The whole business with a specialized codec seems awfully complicated. I know the codec they're using is cool and all, but it's fairly recent and it's not like the world never delivered video over HTTP before it came along. Has RR considered using a codec that's already included with QT, at least as an option when the specialized one hasn't been installed (or is installed incorrectly, or has any other such problem)? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Constellation
Hi, Some interesting articles about outliners can be found at: http://www.atpm.com/10.12/atpo.shtml http://www.atpm.com/11.02/atpo.shtml http://www.atpm.com/11.03/atpo.shtml http://www.atpm.com/11.04/atpo.shtml http://www.atpm.com/11.06/atpo.shtml http://www.atpm.com/11.08/atpo.shtml http://www.atpm.com/11.10/atpo.shtml etc... Greetings, Wouter On 21 Oct 2005, at 21:43, Lynch, Jonathan wrote: What is an outliner? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andre Garzia Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 3:33 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Constellation On Oct 21, 2005, at 4:44 PM, Dan Shafer wrote: It is a fundamental Truth of the Universe (when you reach my advanced stage of life you can even afford to pontificate now and again) that everything takes longer than you think it will even when you take into account that everything takes longer than you think it will. I have told you my theory that if every project takes longer than imagined than you just go stacking them like domino tiles and hope that when you finish a easy one they will all be solved in chain reaction! :-) jokes apart, I think the best approach to get something done is 1) write a spec, something to guide you, like what problem you're trying to solve (thats an important question), how should your app behaves. 2) Adopt modular paradigm like model-view-controller, something to split GUI from code so that your code will be portable and maintainable. 3) Follow deadlines, even if you don't have one, go and create artificial one with punishments like: if I pass 10 of october without an alpha version of my new superduper rev game I shall be honor bound to drink a cup of orange juice with 3 spoons of salt 4) Always research, chances are someone created something similar to what you're trying to do, see how they did it, learn from others. For example, I love outliners and am trying to build a little one for personal use in Rev, I just downloaded everything from MORE to OmniOutliner and checked... decided I need to learn more :-) at least this is what my workflow looks... and yes, it still takes longer than planned. andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: outliners Re: Constellation
On 10/21/05 3:42 PM, Dan Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Naw, if you're on OSX and you're interested in outliners on steroids, skip past OmniOutliner (which is certainly a good product) anb get the best all-around piece of software on OSX for my money, NoteTaker from AquaMinds. That is the most elegant and usable and extensible software I've seen in many, many years. Looks very interesting, Dan, especially if you can write NoteTaker plug-ins in Rev. The AquaMinds site says plug-ins must be Java applets. Can you make a Rev app appear to be a Java applet? -- Dick ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
OT: Bush in Free Fall
All- completely off topic But it's Friday and this is way too much fun... Here's a great flash animation with physics based on Pekka's rag doll. Be sure to check out Pekka's site while you're at it (especially the elephants). Warning: not when you have anything else to do for a while... http://www.yeeguy.com/freefall/ /completely obligatory back-on-track content Makes me wonder how I would do something like this in runrev. /obligatory -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: outliners Re: Constellation
Not yet. But the developers and I are meeting next week to discuss that very question. Dan On Oct 21, 2005, at 4:35 PM, Dick Kriesel wrote: The AquaMinds site says plug-ins must be Java applets. Can you make a Rev app appear to be a Java applet? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: outliners Re: Constellation
Now that is interesting news. Charles Hartman On Oct 21, 2005, at 8:06 PM, Dan Shafer wrote: Not yet. But the developers and I are meeting next week to discuss that very question. Dan On Oct 21, 2005, at 4:35 PM, Dick Kriesel wrote: The AquaMinds site says plug-ins must be Java applets. Can you make a Rev app appear to be a Java applet? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learning center videos don't play
On Oct 21, 2005, at 3:49 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Dan Shafer wrote: Better yet, they should be coded so they're not looking for a required component in a hard-wired place. DUmb. The whole business with a specialized codec seems awfully complicated. I know the codec they're using is cool and all, but it's fairly recent and it's not like the world never delivered video over HTTP before it came along. Has RR considered using a codec that's already included with QT, at least as an option when the specialized one hasn't been installed (or is installed incorrectly, or has any other such problem)? Using the specialized component really isn't a big deal in this case. It is trivial to install the component when you launch your software. The problem that was encountered here is that the path to Windows Media Player was hard wired. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Bush in Free Fall
Message: 18 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:52:03 -0700 From: Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: Bush in Free Fall To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii All- completely off topic But it's Friday and this is way too much fun... Here's a great flash animation with physics based on Pekka's rag doll. Be sure to check out Pekka's site while you're at it (especially the elephants). Warning: not when you have anything else to do for a while... http://www.yeeguy.com/freefall/ /completely obligatory back-on-track content Makes me wonder how I would do something like this in runrev. /obligatory -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark, That is a masterpiece. A ball falling through a collection of fixed balls is doable--not unlike Nine Ball. But this segmented body is something else. There is some complicated physics there. Couldn't find the elephants. Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Paypal not responding to rev cgi post
Scott Rossi wrote: Since your students are first going through your system and storing a unique key, your CGI could also generate an HTML download page with that key (or some other unique identifier) as part of the Web address (ie http://www.mydomain.com/download/user72635463.html). There's no need for a unique web page. The return address I've supplied to paypal points to a cgi and that generates a page based on the variables passed (including the custom variable which I use for tracking). And since PayPal allows you to specify a thank you page URL among the cart parameters it receives, you could include the URL of the download page as the thank you page. So when a transaction is completed, the user will be automatically routed to the download page created by your CGI. I don't think this is recommended because the payment might not be complete or verified (it could be a cheque). So a Thank you cgi generator is better than a static page--you can test whether the payment is completed and generate an appropriate response; 'Thank you, here's your key' or 'Thank you, your key will be emailed to you when your payment clears.' To sum up: everything is working dandy. It's just that my post to PayPal at the validation point is not returning any value. Thanks anyhow. tm ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: database
If you're interested, there's a great (and easy) demo of it at: I second Chipp's recommendation. I'm working with AltSQLite presently (nothing of use yet that I can put up as sample code - maybe soon) and am finding it fits my needs to a tee. Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: find fiasco
Jacqueline, Thank you so much for your kind suggestion. The problem is that even with your script the find results (or rather the lack thereof) appear to remain the same. That's a pity because it is very convenient to search for other instances of text directly selected in a field on the card one is looking at. Anyway, I found a workaround since, strangely enough, there is a way to find Chinese text which seems to work well and reliably. It requires an extra field with a returnInField script (find string the text of me in fld ID 1003). So now I'm putting the selectedText into that field by way of a button and it works. Same stack, same text, same find --yet completely different responses and results. Very weird, at least in my eyes. Thanks again for your help. Fritz Friedrich F. Grohmann wrote: I have a rather simple stack with text in fields on a number of cards (Rev 2.6 under Mac OS 10.3.2). The text is in Chinese. In order to look for other instances of a term found on the present card (in fld ID 1003) I'm using a find selection button the script of which is as follows: on mouseUp put the selectedText of fld ID 1003 into SelCh go to cd Single Line of stack Message Box put find quoteSelChquote into fld Message Field/ of cd Single Line of stack Message Box select after text of fld Message Field of cd Single Line of stack Message Box end mouseUp I'm not sure whether there is anything wrong with this script but the following things happen: 1) With some words, the first instance (on the present) card is indicated by the box and with each further hit of the return key one proceeds to the next card where the term is found. 2) In the case of other words, the instance on the present card is not identified and only one other card is found, although the term actually occurs on a number of cards. 3) There are still other words in case of which the response is simply not found. 4) I've run into so far one case where no instance is indicated and I am told Script compile error: Error: Script: missing after literal 5) There was another word, where no box was drawn at all but all instances were found. This scenario is very bewildering, to say the least. Is there any mistake in the logic of the script or do I miss some other subtle detail? Any help highly appreciated. It might be a unicode problem, but I'm not sure. What happens if, instead of using the message box, you use a script to find words? Make a button with a script like this: on mouseUp global gFindText if gFindText = then put the selectedText of fld ID 1003 into gFindText find gFindText end mouseUp You should turn off autohiliting for the button so that the selectedtext remains selected when you click. When you repeatedly click the button, do you get the same results? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Bush in Free Fall
Mark Said All- completely off topic But it's Friday and this is way too much fun... Here's a great flash animation with physics based on Pekka's rag doll. Be sure to check out Pekka's site while you're at it (especially the elephants). Warning: not when you have anything else to do for a while... http://www.yeeguy.com/freefall/ /completely Now that's not just off topic, but funny as well!!! For added fun, grab W and shake him or wip him on the balls! obligatory back-on-track content Makes me wonder how I would do something like this in runrev. /obligatory go to http://www.bit-101.com/tutorials/ to find what you want (lots more top-site too) ;) Xavier http://monsieurx.com/taoo ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Command-Period
command period doesn't work in windows either ;? so you use the venerable DOS show-stopper command-c Isn't that used for copying elsewhere? (sorry im a geek pest) what's really missing though is command-shift-period to jump into hyperCard's debugging mode ;) having fun yet? Xavier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Landman Gay Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 9:45 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Command-Period [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, It's that newbie pest from Orlando again! I love newbie pests. I wish we had more of them. The list gets so geeky sometimes I think it scares people off. In HyperCard I could type command-period to stop a script. If I did it when a dialog box is displayed it stops the script at that point. Is there a keyboard command I can use in revolution to stop a script when a dialog box is displayed. Obviously Command-Period doesn't do it. :(. Command-period does stop a script in Revolution in most cases -- except where a dialog is up. Command-period while a dialog is on screen will just cancel the dialog. You have to Command-period before or after the dialog to actually stop the script. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Command-Period
command period doesn't work in windows either ;? so you use the venerable DOS show-stopper command-c Isn't that used for copying elsewhere? (sorry im a geek pest) That's Control (CTRL) + C Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Best Update Standalone Scenario
I've searched through the email lists but it's huge and so I'll ask an old question (good candidate for an entry in the RevWiki Cookbooks section): What is the best strategy to auto update standalones. I'm finding some users are happier if every app we deploy is a standalone and then there are no issues about where the player is, opening the stack etc. especially where these apps have completely different job descriptions. But then, if you want a standalone to update itself what do you do? Let me run this by you all for comment. 1) Keep a version number in a custom prop, in the stand alone. 2) have the app ping your server for a small file with the latest version number, 3) if they two don't match, then prompt the user to update. 4) on update, the standalone downloads a compressed version of itself to the folder that it is in and decompresses that file... Question: what is the best way to do this: a) overwrite the previous standalone with the same name? Will all systems allow this if the file is open? I think not b) or give the standalone a new name the latter is pretty standard... BBEdit 8.6, BBEdit 8.7 5) then have the standalone save any open external stacks and quit itself. 6) now we leave it up to the user to a) reboot the standalone if it has the same name... (but, if replacing an open app is not an option, then this is also not an option.) b) trash the old version and boot the new one. I would be interested in the overview, the options, the caveats etc... and of course cross platform issues (mainly OSX and Windows) for best of show update strategies. TIA Sivakatirswami ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: strange issue
I've been 'superstitious' about using identical names for props, vars or objects for awhile... another reason to use labeling conventions I guess... pParameter tLocalVariable gGlobalVariable cCustomProperty (or kCustomProperty?) Seriously scared: If rev cannot differentiate between globalname and customproperty[] of control there may be many more errors going to be present elsewhere. Xavier -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Best Update Standalone Scenario
Sivakatir, Check out http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2003-August/021590.html best, Chipp Sivakatirswami wrote: I've searched through the email lists but it's huge and so I'll ask an old question (good candidate for an entry in the RevWiki Cookbooks section): What is the best strategy to auto update standalones. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
