Windows Misery
[snip] PS Tell a Mac oldie - what exactly **are** resources in a Windows context, and why should one run out? After all, Windows has had some kind of virtual storage since it emerged from the slime, AFAIK. What other resources are we talking about? == I think this should help you understand Windows Resources and offer some ideas for tracking down the problem on ME. This is a simplifeied explanation. (I don't think you really care to have details on GDI, Kernel, and User and the associated memory details that relate to the Resources discussion.) What are Windows Resources? Think in general about the term resource. From Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary--Resource- a source of supply or support: an available means So, what do we have in Windows that are available means or a source of support? Think objects that the OS uses. Probably all of the following, and more, are System Resources: windows, icons, open files (including files that you saved, INI files, DLLs, etc. etc.) The Windows OS keeps track of resources by assigning a unique identification number as they are invoked (opened, loaded, whatever). It so happens that there are only a finite number of resource identifiers available--this is the main source of the problem with running out of resources; you probably are actually running out of identifiers. The resources are loaded into memory. So, as you try to use more and more resources, you will hit either a limit on the number of identifiers, or the limit on available memory that is needed to load resources. Now a days, virtual memory on disk USUALLY, but not always, prevents running out of RAM from being the limitation. When the use of a resource is completed, the memory it is using SHOULD be marked as free (released). Unfortunately, many programs do a poor job of releasing memory when finished with resources, so available resources go down. Sometimes a program gets in some type of a loop that requires loading some resource each pass through the loop, rapidly gobbling resource identifiers until they run out, usually resulting in either a system freeze or crash. This is where third-party programs often help by polling all of the RAM and releasing any that does not have an application using it anymore. Windows also does some smart manuevers; some apps call for some Windows components to be loaded when the app loads. When the app closes, it trys to release the resources it used, but Windows expects that the Windows components that were loaded by the app will be needed again, so it DOES NOT release them! I don't know if ME has the Resource Meter, but if yes, it can help identify where the resources are being allocated. I think with ME that you can run msconfig and get a list of running processes (that are using resources!) and the processes that auto start. the meter shows the following three: GDI Resources- relate to graphics related things like pictures and icons System Resources- relate to open disk files User Resources- relate to created windows Check the resources immediately after boot up, then again as the REV app is launched and run. If the resources are 50% right after boot up WAY too many things are getting auto loaded at boot up. If the resources take a big hit either immediately after launching the REV app or while it runs, then there is some routine in the app that either is eating up resources as it runs, or simply requires more resources than are available. Some other things that eat resources are eye candy like animated cursors and icons, and sound effects attached to objects. Happy hunting miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Web host recommendations?
[snip] On Sunday, Sep 21, 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Web host recommendations? + check out http://www.freewebs.com; They offer some amazing option with just the free service, including enabling e-commerce (using your PayPal account). If the free services aren't sufficient for you, check the Premium Services. $42 per year buys a lot! miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Drawing with Text
Malte Brill writes: Hi Thomas, you can try placing a field over your JPEG, set its opaque to false and then export a snapshot. From the dictionary: export snapshot from rect 0,0,200,200 to file Nav.jpg as JPEG Hope this helps, Malte But of course, if you started with high resolution JPEGs, remember your snapshot will be much lower resolution, equivalent to typically 96 dpi bitmaps. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bug submissions, Feature requests and Voting
Jan Schenkel writes: [snip] ... especially if there is a work-around (which reminds me that it would be good if there were a central place for these ; and I don't mean the list archives) Jan Schenkel. +++ An archive is a good idea. It would be very convenient to have on the bug report a link directly to a work-around for that bug from a work-around archive. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Pros and cons of where to store image data
Barry Levine writes: [snip] How would you show a movie without a Player object? And once QT loads, why use anything else? (Of course, it is possible that I've misinterpreted the docs yet again.) Regards, Barry + Win XP pro, MC 2.5 From the Message box: play videoClip pathAndFilename For example, play videoClip C:\mananim.avi This ran the (MC supplied) AVI in the Home stack, then closed it when finished. Similarly, with nothing but a button in a stack, putting the same script in a MouseUp handler in the button in the stack plays the clip (I think it is centered) in the stack and closes the clip when it finishes. Works the same way whether in the IDE or a built standalone. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Using strong language on the lists
Ken Norris writes: [snip] Cusswords are like pondscum floating around on the very surface of the brain...quick and easy to get to, but nasty and infectious. Duh! That's exactly the point of them! miscdas Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stacks in Motion
Mathewson writes: Dear RunRev Afficionados, I had a slightly daft idea for a children's game using moving substacks.. however there seem to be one or 2 problems. I have put 'BOUNCER' at the top of my list of files on my website and would be grateful for any feedback. Love, Richmond == Richmond, Windows XP pro I unzipped Bounce and see bouncer.rev.bin So what do I do with a BIN file?? miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Using strong language on the lists
Ken Norris writes: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Using strong language on the lists Ken Norris writes: [snip] Cusswords are like pondscum floating around on the very surface of the brain...quick and easy to get to, but nasty and infectious. Duh! That's exactly the point of them! -- So you think that makes it OK? It's about people doing or saying things regardless of the harm it might do to others, just because it's convenient or they think it's cute or funny. That's the end of it for me. Best regards, Ken N. == I clearly did not say that makes it OK--I have no comment on that issue. As for convenient, cute, or funny, I think you've missed the mark. It appeared to me that Richmond was having an emotional outburst, and right-or-wrong, our society more readily tolerates an emotional faux paus thatn conveient, cute, or funny. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Determining if a player is showing an image or movie.
Monte Goulding writes: Hi All I'm wondering if there is a way to work out if a player is currently shoing an image or movie file Regards Monte Goulding B.App.Sc. (Hons.) = It isn't exactly clear what you want. Assuming you actually want to know if the movie is playing, use the movie() function Returns a list of the curently playing videoClip objects, or none if no movies are playing. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT]Re: Richmond's big surprise....
Bill Vlahos writes: [snip] Richard, This is one of the rudest posts I've seen in a long time. Bill Vlahos On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 01:49 AM, Mathewson wrote: So I come back from my holiday (yes, it was lovely, thanks) and find the following... RR 2.1 has no FREE 10-LINES of CODE possibility I AM MAJORLY F***ED OFF.. Why not just SHIT all over us poor bastards/ Richmond Mathewsonhttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution === Did it top my best? miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution speed sucks?
Richard Gaskin writes: Alex Rice wrote: On Saturday, August 9, 2003, at 07:06 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: The subject line bugs me. People do get protective of their favorite programming tools you know :-) A small request: let's not start a no bashing the tool movement. Fine by me, however if someone posts this tool sucks and is slow, and doesn't post any algorithm or benchmarks or any other objective means to discuss it, then in my book it's just flame-bait. I don't want to be policed either. Agreed. Self-restraint through simple professionalism should be sufficient. Ah, yes S H O U L D... One of the great words in the language that so rarely reflects reality. So please, let's get real. = -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Losing track of time
Howard Bornstein writes: have you tried using a player object instead of an audioclip? I prefer the audio clip because I can embed it within the App. The Player object requires an external file (correct me if I'm wrong). Do you think the audioclip could be causing the timer to pause while it's played? So, try commenting-out the audioclip and run your routine. If the timer is OK, it is probably the audioclip interfering. If the timer is not OK, look elswhere for the time bandit. miscdas Regards, Howard Bornstein ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
re: Copying a group
Jacqueline Landman Gay wrote: Before I bugzilla this, I want to know if others think it really is a bug, or if it should be considered normal behavior. I can't decide. I have a group that consists of several fields. The group has backgroundBehavior set to true. Each card has different text in the fields of the group. The current card of the stack is, say, three. In another stack, I issue the command: copy group myGroup of stack Main to this cd I expect to see the contents of card three when the group is copied. Instead I see the contents of card one. The work-around is to go to the Main stack, copy the group, go back to the second stack, and paste. Then I do get the contents of card three. The results of the copy command kind of make sense, since I didn't specify what card I wanted, and so I got the first card by default. However, the command: copy group myGroup of cd 3 of stack Main to this cd doesn't work either, I still get the contents of card one. Is it a bug or is it normal? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com == By the way, you will also get only the first card copied when you set the group backgroundBehavior to false. Also, you get the same result if you try this from card 3 of stack myMain copy group myGroup to card 1 of stack myStack2 and also copy group myGroup of card 3 to card 1 of stack myStack2 And a really fun rsult comes from: first find the ID of the group on card 3 of stack myMain (in my example the group ID is 1022) Then try this from stack myStack2 copy group ID 1022 of stack myMain to this card On Win XP Pro, rev2.0.1, I indeed got group myGroup copied to the card (at least according to its name), BUT ALL OF THE FIELDS ARE E-M-P-T-Y! So, you can't even do a work-around by using the group ID. I suspect that when trying to refer to a group by name that is on many cards, either the lowest ID of the group or the ID of the first instance of the group is retrieved. So it appears that using copy-and-paste via the clipboard invokes a different routine. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Corrupted stack
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, I tryed to open a Revolution Stack with BBEdit Lite. Then, when I want to open this stack with Revolution, I have the message : this is a corrupted stack file. Is there a possibility to repair corrupted stack file ? Thank you. Edouard == Edouard, You OF COURSE made a copy of the stack file, then tried to open teh copy with BBEdit lite, R-I-G-H-T ? So, just delete the corrupted one and use the original! miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: A call for calm and a tip of the hat to the Rev team..thanks!
Stephen Quinn Barncard writes: [snip] I'd like to come to Rev's defense here and remind some of our more impatient new users that this is still the 'early days' of the Revolution company. There are only a handful of very overworked folks doing a very wonderful thing- giving us a tool that is not only VERY innovative and useful, but one that is constantly being updated and improved. Yes. And like many companies before them, their small size and lack of experience results in easily biting off more than they can chew. Perhaps the documentation is not as complete as you would like, but just try and envision some megalith such as Microsloth or Adobe building a product like this (they wouldn't even try - and if they did, it would cost a lot more). I can tell you as an experienced technical writer (specializing in software user guides) that it is very common for companies to view documentation as a necessary evil. An app that took 2-3 years to develop and sells for $1000 a pop is expected to be documented in a few weeks for the cost of one unit (or less!). So, it is really pointless to look over your shoulder an compare to what everyone else has done--do what you KNOW is the right thing to do (especially listen to the end users). Those kind of companies may make slick manuals, but they don't offer products that are updated and improved nearly as often as what you see here. And those companies have HUNDREDS of employees. And try to get bug fixes from Adobe. Ha! I've worked in companies large and small, as well as a couple that went for small to medium. Believe me, corporate philosophy, ethics, and treatment of both customers and employees undergo startling changes, usually not complimentary changes. CAN YOU IMAGINE what it takes to write an app that generates code for all the platforms?? It's never been done satisfactorily before... until now. Perhaps someday one of the team will write the story...when they have time. Doesn't Java do a satisfactory job of it? Also remember that this application allows more access to more things on your computer than the applications those companies allow you to get access to. With that power, there are certainly more things to go wrong. Multiply that by the number of platforms... you get the idea.. Doesn't Java do a satisfactory job of it? Can you cite some examples, please? Rev is an app that makes it a lot easier to write code, but you still gotta work for it - programming is still something done by folks that are a little more than just usersso some thinking and reasoning is required. So I'd advise patience, my friend. You've got a great support group right here - something we didn't have for Hypercard in 1987. Before you start spewing, ask a couple of questions first Or just lower your expectations--low expectations = few disappointments. sqb We have also updated the distribution builder fix, to account You provide ZERO documentation on what we're supposed to do with these things. Revlibrary just starts up and begins displaying errors. I assumed you're supposed to launch them and they will auto install code somewhere. As often happens in the real world, the engineer expects the user to be able to do what is needed without instructions, because, it's obvious. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: .rev file association issues
Gary Rathbone writes: Miscdas, Thanks for this, unfortunately after step 7 nothing changes. I can select Revolution, but Rev is not added to any list or options. I can follow this process for other file types eg .html and it works great. Meanwhile .rev is now associated with wordpad, which is proving quite interesting. Cheers Gary On WIN XP pro, in less than 10 steps: 1. In the directory list, right click the stack name the context menu is displayed. 2. On the context menu, select open with the sub-menu is displayed 3. on the sub-menu, click choose program the Open with dialog is displayed 4. on the Open with dialog, click the Browse button a scondary Open With... dialog is displayed 5. Browse through the directory to find the Revolution.exe file and select it. (Probably c:\Program Files\Revolution x.x.x\Revoluton.exe ) 6. click Open the Open with dialog is dispalyed with Revolution blah-blah selected in the list of applications. 7. select always use the selected program to open this kind of file 8. click OK the dialog closes and your stack is launched Now .rev will be associated with Revoluton. miscdas = Gary, Are you sure you've done it correctly? I just checked Rev2.0.1 on Win 2000 Pro. Revolution did NOT appear in the list of files at step 3. (This appears to be a registration problem at installaion--well-behaved Win apps are supposed to register when they install, as well as add an entry for the file-type association.) I continued with the rest of the procedure and the behavior was as described in my prior post; i.e. Revolution engine for win 32 appeared automatically in the list and was selected. At step 8, the Rev file that I had originally selected was launched as expected. .rev is now associated with revolution.exe, enabling launching of rev stacks by double-clicking. So, this works for me on both Win XP pro and Win 2000 pro with Rev 2.0.1 miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: .rev file association issues
Gary Rathbone writes: This in an annoying distraction which I'm sure will have an easy answer. When I save a rev stack I use (the suggested) .rev extension. However I also use WinRAR which according to filext.com uses the .rev extension (with a few other packages) as its own. This means WinRAR 'own' my Rev stacks, when I double click it tries to open WinRAR. Using XP I can usually change this file association. However a right click on the stack and a click on the Change... button doesn't allow me to select revolution; its not listed. On WIN XP pro, in less than 10 steps: 1. In the directory list, right click the stack name the context menu is displayed. 2. On the context menu, select open with the sub-menu is displayed 3. on the sub-menu, click choose program the Open with dialog is displayed 4. on the Open with dialog, click the Browse button a scondary Open With... dialog is displayed 5. Browse through the directory to find the Revolution.exe file and select it. (Probably c:\Program Files\Revolution x.x.x\Revoluton.exe ) 6. click Open the Open with dialog is dispalyed with Revolution blah-blah selected in the list of applications. 7. select always use the selected program to open this kind of file 8. click OK the dialog closes and your stack is launched Now .rev will be associated with Revoluton. miscdas My first question is How to I associate .rev to revolution? As there is only a fixed number of three letter file extensions. How does a developer, considering cross platform data files for their owns stacks, provide or register/'own' a unique or non conflicting filetype. Thanks in advance, Gary Rathbone ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to make an Unclickable Check Box
Dan Shafer writes: On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, at 06:41 AM, Jan Schenkel suggested to Sannyasin: Turn off the autoHilite of the checkbox, and leave the script of the checkbox empty. Now it won't be hilited unless you set its hilite from a script. Pardon the intrusion, but it may be worth noting that an unclickable checkbox is a violation of Apple's Human Interface Guidelines and of general UI design rules about user expectations. I'd respectfully suggest some other way of indicating the user's connected state than a checkbox he can't click on or change. I guarantee you'll have frustrated and confused users. A text label whose contents changes from CONNECTED to NOT CONNECTED would be as easy to design and code and be much more meaningful in the bargain. Just MHO. How about importing a red and a green graphic that look like LEDs? Green for connected, red for not. (Or, if you don't want anything fancy, just use the drawing tools and make a red and green circle right in Rev.)Hide and show as appropriate. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev killing the Mac platform?
Richard Gaskin writes: Alex Rice wrote: Personally I would rather pay an extra $75 than to move over to Windows for my main development platform. If you move your email to Windows as well you'll pay far more than $75 dealing with viruses. ;) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Developer of WebMerge 2.2: Publish any database on any site ___ = Wow Richard, that is s definitive sounding almost urban legend-like statement! However, as a Windows user for all but the first year it came out, I have not spent dollar one in either avoiding viruses or by problems caused by viruses on any of my Windows systems! miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev killing the Mac platform?
Mark Brownell writes: On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, at 02:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow Richard, that is s definitive sounding almost urban legend-like statement! However, as a Windows user for all but the first year it came out, I have not spent dollar one in either avoiding viruses or by problems caused by viruses on any of my Windows systems! miscdas Either your time is worthless or it is worth your time getting a free solution by removing offending executables on your hard drives after looking them up on anti-virus web sites on your own. I just can't believe you have never received a computer virus on a win32 machine. I can understand fixing it yourself. I would like to know if the Guinness Book of Records should be contacted about this? This has to be a record... :-) == As too often occurs, you've added much more to my post than was actually in it. Look again: nowhere does it say that I have never had a virus on my hard drive; I have. I simply said that I have not made cash outlays to avoid them, to elimnate them, or fix any damage. I also did not say some kind of cost was not incurred; cost is often measured as time. Some small amount of time is invested. I use free virus scanners on a regular basis. I have backups of important files. My reply was a succinct, direct reponse to a likewise succinct, direct comment. When formulating a reply, I read nothing into the comment, nor attempted some type of exegesis. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: pi approximation day [OT]
Dar Scott writes: Tuesday is pi approximation day (aka pi appreciation day). I think that is because some folks write July 22 as 22/7. In honor of this day, I plan to order 14 pizzas to enjoy with friends. For some pizzas I plan to arrange the pieces on a rectangular cookie sheet in an alternating pattern to form an rectangle about 7 by 22. I will then badger friends into saying Oooh and Ah before letting them eat. Illustrating this with a stack (in my losing struggle to make this on-topic) seemed too much work. However, those who want to ponder pi on Tuesday might type this into the message box: put pi LF 22/7 Appreciate wonders both large and very small. Dar Scott === I've always liked 355/113 (Thank you Leo Brodie, Starting Forth) Indiana State legislation: Indiana House Bill #246 of 1897 would've set pi=3.2, but the bill was killed in the state Senate miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Shuffle
curry writes: [snip] (And actually, if you really wanted to be perfect, you might improve it by multiplying the number of lines or items by a desired amount for your random number parameter, so you have less chance of two lines having the same random number and (I assume) remaining in the order they originally were in the list.) === But then, you no longer have a randomized list... You now have a non-random function based on random. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev 2.02/New pricing
Geoff Canyon writes: On Thursday, July 17, 2003, at 12:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excuse me? The Starter Kit was already THE option for hobbyists! So, in the single OS versions, do we get a slimmed-down engine optimized for that OS? If we can develop only for one OS, why carry all the unused (and unusable) baggage for the others? Also, I can accept readily all the bugs in a Free version, but they're very hard to swallow in a paid version. (And please, don't tell me what a comparatively small bug count Rev has; it's really irrelevant.) The Starter Kit was great for anyone who had the open-mindedness to look beyond the popular conception of what can be done in ten lines of code and the perseverance to work within the actual confines of that limit. Considering this subject relates to hobbyists, you offer a great supporting argument for keeping the 10-line limit in tact. Ten lines of code is a very fuzzy limitation, because you can't know ahead of time how clever you'll be at building within that limit, and you can't even have a marginally accurate conception until you've used Revolution extensively. Again, exactly the kind of challenging nut a hobbyist enjoys cracking. I believe you will find the hobbyists contributing solutions to problems that would otherwise go un- or under-answered because real developers simply can't justify the time investment. The limitations on Express, on the other hand, are conceptually clean and simple; anyone can grasp what they're getting without any experience of Revolution at all. Ah, but now we switch the subject from hobbyist to the general anyone. I couldn't agree more in that case. I know several designers that want to do multimedia apps, and state emphatically that they are not programmers (and don't want to be). Express would be good for them to make an evaluation. [snip] regards, Geoff Canyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RTFText, HTMLText, and Formatted Content in RR
Wolfgang M. Bereuter writes: [snip] On Friday, Jul 18, 2003, at 03:25 Europe/Vienna, Dan Shafer wrote: RTFText supports a tiny subset of the RTF file format. The docs list the formatting controls in RTF that are supported by RR. Out of something like 1300 control words in the RTF spec, RR supports approximately 30. The support is so thin that even a fairly simple book chapter -- which includes things like bulleted lists, code samples, and four-level headings, renders quite poorly and unusably. Yes, it's a shame for those that want to develop text-centric apps. MC/Rev look to the developers to help prioritize where to put their $$ for new/improved features. So, don't expect text handling improvements to develop very quickly. I have the same rtf problem since the beginning. Write and format in one tool and transfer all that without loosing the formating to other tools. Thats very important for writing or working with a lot of text, translations and so on. I have struggled a lot for the rtf feature in rev... Now we have it at least!!! I know its not perfect, but again we have it...;) The biggest problem is -as always- M$. I must correct you here. The problem is not MS per say, but rather the RTF specification; it is closer to a guideline than to a specification that explicitly states what is and is not allowed. MS simply includes more features in their interpretation of the RTF specs than most other companies do. There are some good things that come out of it, such as text with full justification. The bad part is, VERY few programs know how to display fully justified text. So, the choice is to give it up, or use HTML. (Although, if my memomry serves me correctly, Rev choked on imported fully justified HTML as well.) But there is ( I dont know) no other way to deal with formated text between OSes. No? What happened to HTML? What I do is: I write in Mellel OSX only). It does good rtf import also, but I have not imported Word rtf files until now. I write in it I select the text copy it to the clipboard set the rev textfield to rtf and paste it to the rev textfield. That works fine. Yes you have to do a bit of fine tuning with tabulators, but not the whole slave formatting job again and again. Nearly 95% of the formatting is correct here... (Dont know what happens if the text is very big, I paste only small parts to the rev textfields up to 3 pages) Maybe there is a way for XML I dont know how this works... The future could be pdf import..? Hope that helps regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter = miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev 2.02/New pricing
Wolfgang M. Bereuter writes:
hi miscdas
On Friday, Jul 18, 2003, at 13:30 Europe/Vienna, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Ah, but now we switch the subject from hobbyist to the general anyone.
I couldn't agree more in that case. I know several designers that want
to do multimedia apps, and state emphatically that they are not
programmers (and don't want to be). Express would be good for them to
make an evaluation.
Thats the point...
I think that potential is very underestimated here...
MM developer dont want to become Hardcore Coder. And I think its not a
good idea to treat them as poor programmers... Imho its better to try to
bring them to rev...
Wolfgang, let me add that I belong to other MM authoring lists, and the
biggest single complaint by the designers is that they DONT want to write
code, scripts whatever; they want drag-and-drop or click-and-place objects,
and then script helpers that list commands and functions that a selected
object supports along with an example of the syntax in HUMAN UNDERSTANDABLE
(as opposed to programmer understable) terms. Rev certainly doesn't have
that, and from John's post (subject: Me the potenital buyer),
documentation that is geared to programmers and leaves out others is a huge
barrier to overcome, resulting in many giving up early in the game. This is
complaint number 2 by the newbies.
If this new more complicated license/pricing system which is the right way
to do that...?
The new licensing does nothing to rectify the documentation needed to
address the non-programmer newbie that really COULD eventially be a paying
customer if only there were coherent, concise newbie-friendly docs and
tutorials. Sarah was kind enough to list some of the available mish-mash of
dcoumentaion and help--
Metacard has a good tutorial: mtp.mc at ...
After that, since there aren't any Rev books out there yet, I recommend a
HyperCard book... ('OUCH!' says Newbie, 'What am I doing reading about
Hyper whatever--isn't this Revolution??')
Also any demo stacks can be loaded straight into Revolution although they
can have some problems if they use menus... ('Demo problems?', laments
Newbie, 'I haven't even started to evaluate Revoluton and you're telling me
I am going to have problems with Demos?? OUCH again!')
I'm not sure that all these are still in print, but they can usually be
found. ('Oh boy, moans Newbie, 'now I have to go searching for the books,
too?!?')
...I assume you have done the tutorials that come with Revolution and if
you have Rev 2.0, you will see the new Cookbook section which has quite a
lot of example scripts. There are also numerous stacks available at the User
Contributions section of the RunRev website and other places - all of which
can be taken apart, examined, changed, tested etc so you can work out what
is going on. ('Well', despairs Newbie, 'I wish I knew something about how
to take apart and examine scripts. But since I have barely even started,
and can't find a good book for beginners, and have to go from site-to-site
to find examples, and couldn't find any instructions about taking apart
scripts in the dictionary, (maybe it's there, but I can't find it) I guess
this Revolution thing just isn't for me. I must be really stupid--or maybe
you programmers are all geniuses!')
And so departs another frustrated Newbie, once hopeful of authoring some
cool apps, now fallen back into the trenches of despair.
regards
Wolfgang M. Bereuter
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Re: Rev 2.02/New pricing
[snip] Geoff Canyon writes: Responses below: On Thursday, July 17, 2003, at 12:10 AM, curry wrote: I thought that everyone had agreed (about ten thousand times) that the great thing about Revolution and MetaCard is you develop on all platforms. We all know that developing on one platform for another without being able to make changes on both can be the pits. Certainly true, but people have also been clamoring for a lower cost option for hobbyists. Now one is available. Excuse me? The Starter Kit was already THE option for hobbyists! So, in the single OS versions, do we get a slimmed-down engine optimized for that OS? If we can develop only for one OS, why carry all the unused (and unusable) baggage for the others? Also, I can accept readily all the bugs in a Free version, but they're very hard to swallow in a paid version. (And please, don't tell me what a comparatively small bug count Rev has; it's really irrelevant.) miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Game Available for Test
Jim Hurley writes: Message: 4 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Game Available for Test Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 11:39:30 -0500 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jim Hurley writes: [snip] Unfortunately this works only on the Mac. I need to line up rows of letters and numbers and that requires a uniformly spaced font--monospaced. I didn't see one that works on my PC. It looks like Georgia is the only monospaced font but it is illegible at 24 point size. == Did you try Courier New font? I beleive that it is installed with the OS. Geogia must be some third-party font so probably won't be found on many systems. So unless it is embedded in your app, it won't work anyway. miscdas miscdas, Thanks. I overlooked Courier. It doesn't work quite as well as Monaco but it is certainly readable. So the following should work on both the PC and the Mac. In the message box run: go url http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/CryptDivisionCourier.rev; Jim P.S. How would you embed a font into a stack? === Courier looks fine on WIN XP pro, MC 2.4.3 Couldn't you use tabbed fields to get the proper alignment with any font? I don't think MC or Rev allow embedding fonts. You could do a work around by doing a screen capture of each numeral in the font you like. You need to be careful about the size and alignment of each captured image. Then use the images in place of numerals. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: copying tab delimited text to excel
Alex Rice writes: On Saturday, June 28, 2003, at 12:28 PM, dan johnson wrote: Greetings, Which Windows? Which Rev? Win XPpro, Rev 1.1.1, Excel 2000 9.0 I created a field and populated it with a few lines made up of strings separated by tabs. While in Browse mode, I placed the cursor into the field. Then I pressed ctrl+a to select the entire field contents, then preseeded ctrl+c to copy the selection to the clipboard. Next I switched to Excel, selected a cell, and pressed ctrl+v to copy the clipboard. As expected, the contents were pasted as tab delimted data. That is, each tab resulted in the following string to be placed into the next column. When the end of a line was reached, the next string started on the following line. Does that help you sort out your problem? Dan, I've narrowed it down to what seems like a bug. Now it appears that it's not a Mac/Windows difference, it's a standalone vs. IDE difference. The problem is that in the standalone, Command-C or Control-C deselects the text and nothing goes onto the clipboard. Rev 2.0.1, Windows 2000 and OS X 10.2.6 - Create a field (focusable, visible, don't wrap, lock text, auto-hilight text, fixed line height) - Put some tabstops and tab delimited text into the fld (Now you can select text and copy it, pasting the tab delimited data into excel) - Build a standalone of the same stack (Now you can select text but the copy fails and you cannot copy-paste the tab delimited data into excel) Alex Rice, Software Developer Architectural Research Consultants, Inc. http://ARCplanning.com ___ Alex, It doesn't work quite like that for me in Win XPpro. I also checked it in MC 2.4.3 and Rev 1.1.1. The only behavior that I might call a bug is due to the MC engine not allowing ctrl+a in a field. Otherwise, I get what is expected. Maybe either OS X or Rev 2.0.1 are the source of the ctrl+c problem that you see. It does seem strange that I see ctrl+a not working in the stand alone, but you see ctrl+c behaving oddly. I created a stand alone from the above stack (both in Rev and MC). In the stand alone, ctrl+a doesn't do anything. In order to select some text in the field, I had to use the mouse. Once the selection is made, ctrl+c then ctrl+v in Excel worked exactly as expected. Dan J. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2.0 Documentation
Danny Grizzle writes: What is the best way for a newbie to get started with Revolution 2.0? I don't have a Hypercard background. Where are the docs? Danny Grizzle = my 2 cents: Go through the supplied tutorials AND the examples, then try to build a something SMALL yourself--Rome wasn't built in a day. Be willing to invest some time in getting used to the XTalk syntax. If you don't get a routine to work as expected, do some experimenting as well as checking the dictionary and supplied documentation. Like any large reference work, the documentation has strong and weak areas, so you won't always find there an answer to your problem. If all else fails, post to the mailing list. There are always helpful people around. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Develloping a registrationsystem
Alejandro Tejada writes: Malte Brill wrote: I´ve been working on a small registration concept recently. I´ve got a stack that generarates a registration code of 8 characters taken from name and a codeword e.g. email adress. Hi Malte, I'm interested too in some code that permits a stack to runs only in the machine in which it was installed. Those machine are running Windows XP. I've read about getting the hard disk serial number in the Developers Tips from Ken Ray's website. My guess is that a combination of the serial of the hard disk and the ID number of the Ethernet card could be a good combination. But, I don't know how to get the id of the ethernet card. Thanks in advance. Alejandro = Mr Tejada, I suggest your reconsider the Ethernet card ID as a permanent part of a system. In more than one company in which I've worked, it was very common to swap-out Ethernet cards for a variety of reasons. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Books on RunRev
Judy Perry writes: But adopted by some for that very tie-in reason. It would be a shame to for this sort of rationale to result in turning Hypercard into the old, fuddy-duddy grandfather we're ashamed of ocknowledging in public... :( Judy On Fri, 30 May 2003, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 5/30/03 11:19 AM, Danny Grizzle wrote: I would be careful about tying Revolution too closely to HyperCard. HyperCard is Apple-centric, and a failed product. Revolution needs to stand on its own merit; the HyperCard tie-in will only serve to have it dismissed out of hand by Windows/Linux/Unix users. And by some Mac users as well. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Like most things one tries to sell, packaging is used to appeal to target markets. So, who is the market? Win/'Nix users? Mac users? All of the above? Keeping the target in mind during writing, and especially during the marketing phase, will tend to temper the HyperCard tie-in appropriately. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Books on RunRev
Stephen Barncard writes: [snip] Better be prepared with a response: Revolution is not HyperCard. People are smart enough to figure that out. Danny Grizzle = Really?? Judging from some of the posts on this list, you are too generous with your assessment of intelligence. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: first field to get keyboard focus?
Sarah writes: [snip] I don't know the reason for this although it might be that Rev stores the focus so that the same field is selected when you go to a new card. The workaround is to have a preOpenCard handler that specifically sets the focus to the correct field. e.g. focus on field 1 Cheers, Sarah Mr. Rice, Remember also that focus on field 1displays the cursor at the same position at which it was previously. To positon the cursor at the beginning/end of the field and have focus, use in the preOpencard handler select before/after field 1 miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: little slideshow stack
Klaus Major writes: [snip] i just translated a little stack of mine (from german to english, but i also left the german info, of course :-) that you can download here: http://www.revolutionboard.de/auto_slide_lite.zip It is a simple slideshow, that will display all images in one folder with just one card and 2 buttons and a transition effect... Regards Klaus Major = OK folks. You probaly discovered the URL was wrong. A little quick sleuthing uncovered this is the correct url: http://www.revolutionboard.de/klaus/auto_slide_lite.zip miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Convert to seconds, why??
François Cuneo writes: Hello, I have a field that show a timer. Each clic on the little Arrow, the user obtains 30 seconds more. So the field shows 00:05:00 I click and after I should obtain 00:05:30 I click and after I should obtain 00:06:00 I have written this script in the littlearrow on scrollbarLineDec set the twelveHourTime to false put cd fld règletemps into tampon convert tampon from long time to seconds put tampon-1053993600 into tampon put tampon +29 into tampon convert tampon from seconds to long time put tampon into cd fld règletemps wait 6 ticks end scrollbarLineDec If I don't put put tampon-1053993600 into tampon put tampon +29 into tampon But only Put tampon +30 into tampon All is wrong. Whyyy? Thank you! Friendly François François Cuneo == Mr. Cuneo, This script works OK for me in a normal button: put field TimerDisplay into tTimeToDisplay convert tTimeToDisplay from long time to seconds add 30 to tTimeToDisplay convert tTimeToDisplay from seconds to long time put tTimeToDisplay into field TimerDisplay miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Convert to seconds, why??
Ken Ray writes: [snip] One issue is that you can't use convert x from y to z but instead use convert x to z, that is, convert tampon to seconds instead of convert tampon from long time to seconds. Ken Ray === Mr. Ray, This is unequivocably an incorrect statement about convert syntax. Clearly, you have consulted neither the Transcript dictionary nor the MetaTalk Reference for convert. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Setting icons in windows build
rom1 writes: I found that it was quite hard with Iconographer to make an icon complying with the needs of Revolution. But i found a way to achieve that : Resource Tuner at http://www.resourcetuner.com (for Win of course) Romain === perhaps you meant http://www.restuner.com miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.0 Beta Now Available - And Special Offer
Andre Rombauts writes: [snip] I have been explained - I guess RunRev guys girls will confirm- that the Key you have will work with version 2. I tried it. It worked. I have a Teacher single user licence. It was bought in October 2002. They will unlock any new version until October 2003. If the final 2.0 version comes in July. OK. If it comes in November (or a Service Release) it will not unblock the new version... I must admit the licence program is quite complicated... André === Mr. Rombauts, Granted that the license program seems complicated. But why are you worrying now (it is only April) about October and beyond? A lot of water will pass over the dam between now and then. If October nears and you are running into the above stated problems, take action. I suspect your time could be better spent now working with the tools that you have rather than worrying about a rather far-off potential unlock code problem (that I suspect would amount to a trivial issue, should it materialize). nmiscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Color My Word--Open Color Palette
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] Two: If the selected text has a mixture of styles -- for instance, if three words are selected, and precisely one of the three words is boldfaced -- the results may not be what you wanted. === Mixed styles is documented in the MetaTalk ref: If you get the textStyle of a chunk that contains multiple styles, the string mixed is returned. So, add a routine for mixed that parses the chunk to a lower level (perhaps down to character level) and saves the style info, applies the user's new style selection, then determines which, if any, of the saved style info should be reapplied. Maybe the user's new selection could just be added to the style list for each saved item? miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Autofile snapshots
Ken Norris writes: [snip] What I want to do: I will have a number of different screens available for the same buttons, i.e., create a different look and feel for each. The need for doing this has to do with varying visual deficits of potential users, and is therefore more important than mere Preference'. I have a background group image which has 'pictures' of buttons in it. The actual buttons are exactly aligned (I call it 'registered') to each of the appropriate areas of the picture. A bunch of the buttons have different functions which mean they must hold icon images separately in these cases, so I decided I may as well make separate icons out of _all_ the buttons. The end-use is to eliminate the large background group image it came from, and replace it by batch-importing the small mages into a standalone to use as icons at runtime, meaning they don't get saved by the standalone, but are called up at runtime by the Preferences, which can be changed at any time. All that means making separate images out of each little 'button picture' of the large image. There will be about 80 of them. Ken N. Mr. Norris, Just how large is the large background group image? If it really isn't so large, consider leaving it in your stack and generating on-the-fly, via import snapshot, from it the images needed for the buttons. Whether you generate on-the-fly or do the separate images, the following might help you to determine the rectangle to use for generating the image with import snapshot. If you originally set up the buttons on the background image using a) a regular grid spacing and b) buttons of the same size, then after you determine the rectangle of the first button you can easily add the appropriate offset to determine the rectangle for all other button images. If you must go through them manually, then create a field and put this in the stack script of the stack with the background image from which you need to import snapshots: on mouseDown put the clickLoc return after field ImageRects end mouseDown Now you can get the rect for each button immage you need by clicking the upper left corner of the area on the background image followed by clicking the lower right corner. When you do import snapshot using these rect data and see your selection is off a few pixels, you have the data to tweak. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Math question: How to compute the area of polygons
Malte Brill writes: [snip] I´m still experimenting with collision detection. I would like to try the following: -Create a Polygon with n-sides around my sprites. Compute the area of each polygon. -Store it in a custom property to make checking faster. -Check: intersect(SpriteX,SpriteY) -True: Compute the area of the union of polyX,polyY -Smaller than both areas summed - Objects collided. If I had a neat algorithm for that job, I think it could be quite fast. If you are dealing only with regular polygons, see the following: http://www.efunda.com/math/areas/RegularPolygonGen.cfm Regards, Malte == Herr Brill, It appears you have decided to go a more difficult route of using irregular polygons. I suspect this is because you want to draw an irregular polygon to enclose your Sprite. Check this link; you may decide to use regular polygons instead. http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/52053.html (By the way, think of a circle as a regular polygon with an infinite number of sides with the length of a side infinitely small.) Now that you mentioned Sprites and collision detection, did you look at the intersect function? It seems to me that you could simply test the inersect of each of the sprites with each other. If for some reason the sprintes are not objects that the intersect can be determined, then drawing your polygon around the sprites and then testing the intersect for each polygon will get you collision detection. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Math question: How to compute the area of polygons
Malte Brill writes: [snip] Thanks again for the link Mr. Miscdas. Mr Miscdas wrote: Now that you mentioned Sprites and collision detection, did you look at the intersect function? If I don´t do something essential wrong this won´t work. The intersect function seems only to check the bounding rectangle of an object.(I check at start using the intersect function for the rough part of the collision detection.) You are correct; I had fogotten that the graphic objects actually have a bounding rectangle rather than being bounded by the displayed line. Perhaps I should follow the tips that were suggested on this list a few month earlier checking the image- and maskdata of the objects and look if their values are bigger than a certain threshhold. Yes, this would probably be a better solution for you in the long run. Thank you, Malte miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Math question: How to compute the area of polygons
Message: 6 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:06:57 +0100 Subject: Math question: How to compute the area of polygons From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Malte Brill) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List, this one goes out to the math experts. How does one compute the area ( I hope it is the correct Term for flaecheninhalt in german) of a polygon with n sides. Any help will be greatly apprecheated! Regards, Malte = Herr Brill, If you are dealing only with regular polygons, see the following: http://www.efunda.com/math/areas/RegularPolygonGen.cfm miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Can't add file extension in Windows
Howard Bornstein writes: [snip] Apparently, under XP, even if you explicitly add .jpg to the filename in the save dialog, it deletes it from the file. I'm a Mac guy so I'm not up on Windows extensions, but does XP remove (at least from the user's view) file extensions, even though it knows internally what the file type is? === Windoze management, in their infinite Wisdom regarding what users SHOULD see by default , decided that showing file extensions is a bad idea in general. Therefore, the default mode is for extensions (at least for known file types) to be turned off. The extensions are NOT DELETED; they are simply not displayed. Also, the default display setting for the file information for System and Hidden files is to not be displayed. So, be aware that if you think you are hiding a file by setting its attribute to hidden, you don't hide it from everyone. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stopping a buttons actions
Ken Ray writes: Ctrl-. for Windows? I would have thought that it would have been the Escape key... very few Windows users (if any) would think to use that key combination. Scott, any chance of mapping Escape to the Cmd-. equivalent for Windows in the future? Ken Ray = With Win XP Pro, MC 2.4.3, my abort sequence is Ctrlc ESC has no effect Ctrl- has no effect miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stopping a buttons actions
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ken Ray writes: Ctrl-. for Windows? I would have thought that it would have been the Escape key... very few Windows users (if any) would think to use that key combination. Scott, any chance of mapping Escape to the Cmd-. equivalent for Windows in the future? Ken Ray = With Win XP Pro, MC 2.4.3, my abort sequence is Ctrlc ESC has no effect ** Ctrl- has no effect ** miscdas miscdas, I believe that is Ctrl(period) instead of Ctrl(dash). Ctrl(period) is the normal cancel sequence on MacOS systems. Roger Eller [EMAIL PROTECTED] == Mr. Eller, Thanks for the info. Perhaps Ctrl-. is the syntax in the Mac world for showing 2 keys pressed simultaneously? If yes, I didn't recognize this because the Windows standard syntax for pressing 2 key simultaneous is the plus symbol. e.g. pressing the control key and c key simultaneously is Ctrl+c Ctrl(period) does indeed work the same as Ctrlc. As a Windoze user, I would never have thought to try such a combination. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: auto size of a group
Ivers, Doug E writes: It seems like there should be an option for groups that says, my size is the minimum rectangle that contains my visible members (as opposed to a fixed size). The current behavior is counter-intuitive for me, but I've adapted to it. It would be nice to have the option. -- D Mr. Ivers, Could you please elaborate on this lack of auto size feature for groups in Rev? In MC 2.4.3 on WIN XP pro, my groups automatically resize when I change the visible property of controls in the group. For example, if I have three fields in a group stacked vertically, and each field is of a different width, then when I set the visible of the highest field to false, the height of my group automatically drops to enclose the remaining two visible fields (plus, of course, a few pixels around that defines the group area). Similarly, if I set the visible of the widest field to false, then the width of group automatically reduces to a width sufficient to display the widest visible field. Likewise, when I set the visible of these fields back to true, the group auto resizes to a larger size and displays all of the visible controls. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: safe shell command
Richard K. Herz writes: On Friday, February 21, 2003 9:51 AM, Alex Rice wrote: On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 11:18 PM, Richard K. Herz wrote: My understanding is that you need to get the path to the directory where your exe is, e.g., from parsing get the long name of this stack, and then have the shell cd to that directory before running the exe. This is what the script I sent does. The path to the directory the exe is in gMyappPath originally. I'm probably missing something, but I don't think that is necessary. shell() runs from the defaultFolder, and the only time the defaultFolder is not equal to the path of the main stack, is when you running in development platform, and in that case you can just fix up the defaultFolder property. So you don't need to cd to a path to execute a shell command, unless the command is actually located in an entirely different directory. Testing now with MC on Win XP, it does look like the cmd.exe shell's default directory is the same as Rev/MC (engine's location or by setting the directory). For example, start Rev/MC and from the msg box, answer shell(dir) lists the contents of the directory where the Rev/MC engine is located and answer shell(dir ..\) lists the directory above. So you're right, you don't have to shell cd with the complete path to the exe to start the exe as I did in my original script, just start it with a relative name, e.g., get shell(start \appfolder\app.exe) for an exe in folder appfolder below the current Rev/MC default directory. If I'm understanding you right, a shell cd with the full pathname has problems of potential path differences between Rev/MC and Windows. Rich Herz [EMAIL PROTECTED] == I suspect the reason you are able to shell out is due to the PATH environment variable. For those not familiar with DOS, if you type PATH at the DOS prompt, a string is displayed that is the search path for commands. Usually, but DEFINITELY not always, it includes C:\windowS\system32 Note that this is the default directory for cmd.exe in WIN XP. Therefore, simply invoking the SHELL command from MC results in the PATH search locating and launching cmd.exe miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: auto size of a group
Ivers, Doug E writes: [snip} I do Mac OS X. I haven't done much regarding the visible prop, but when I manually resize (by dragging one of the 8 handles) a control that is in a group to beyond the group rect, the portion of the control outside the group rect is not visible and the group doesn't resize automatically. -- D = This also seems odd to me. With MC On WIN XP, I edit controls in a group by clicking the group, then from the Group Properties selecting Edit. Then use the handles to drag a control to a new size. Exit editing via the menu selection Edit\Stop editing BG. My Group auto resizes to match the resized control. In fact, using a stack of width 256, I dragged a control beyond the stack edge, then exited group edit mode. I checked the width of the group and it was indeed larger (394) than the stack width (256). So, even when the control size exceeded the size of the stack, the group still auto sized to accomodate the new size of the control. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: launch
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all, I am looking for a command that launches a file with the associated application set by Windows. Using the Launch command wants the application name along with the file name, and using revGoUrl launches it in the web browser along with the helper app. I simply want to mimic a double click on a file name and let the op system associate the app with the extension. Thanks again. This works on WIN XP PRO, MC 2.4.3 You supply the full path and file name, and if the file type associations are set, the associated app is launced and the file opens. In this example, Notepad launches and opens the specified text file, then my bowser (IE) is launched and the HTML doc is opened. on mouseUp get shell (start C:\ZinioInstall.txt) get shell (start C:\TheCompleteRegularExpressionGuide.htm) end mouseUp miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Storing images
Jim Hurley writes: [snip] I have a small addendum to the Storing Images discussion. This is a variation on that method which is just a little simpler (it doesn't require a closeCard handler) and produces a nice border around the image by simultaneously resizing the button. Jim ___ Nice touch! miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Setting graphic style to Line
Jan Schenkel writes:
--- Jim Witte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
These observations refer to both 1.1.1 and 2.0 I
think (I haven't
done rigorous testing). When I try to set the style
of a graphic
object to line (eg. set style of the selectedObject
to line') I get an
error (Expression: missing factor).
But if I create one line, then set the style of
another object to the
style of the first line, it disappears. The object
is still listed in
the application overview (at least in 20a), but it
won't show on the
screen (If I set the style to something other than a
line, it shows up;
then if I select line again, it disappears.
I tried the script mentioned before on the list:
set the style of the defaultgraphic to line
create graphic linetohost
set the points of graphic linetohost to MyVertList
choose browse tool
but got a missing '(' error on the 'set the
style..' line.
Thanks,
Jim
Hi Jim,
Try the following :
set the style of graphic Foobar to line
As 'line' is a reserved word in Transcript, it's
better to surround it with quotes to avoid any
misinterpretation by the compiler.
In this case, the compiler thinks you want to set the
style of the graphic to the _content_ of line XXX of a
variable or another container, and reports an error as
itthinks you forgot the rest of the reference.
Hope this helped,
Jan Schenkel.
=
The disappearing graphic when style is set to line appears to be a feature
built into the MC engine. On MC 2.4.3, Win XP pro, I tried setting the style
to line of a variety of graphic objects and indeed some of them disappear.
They display if the style property is set to another value, such as regular.
The same behavior occurs if a graphic object line is drawn, and then the
script
set the style of myGraphic to the style of thelineGraphic
So, you'll have to evaluate this usage on an object-by-object basis to
determine if you can use it for your particular app.
miscdas
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Re: Rotating Images without enlarging the image space
Howard Bornstein writes: Are you saying that in 2.0, the angle property will also apply to images? In the 1.1.1 docs it says set the angle of a _graphic_ to angledegrees Use the angle property to create an arc shape or to rotate a regular polygon. Nothing about images (or has this always been there undocumented)? Howard Bornstein == As I recall, the MC Help entry for Angle mentions objects in general. An image is an object, therefore... In any case, it does indeed work for setting the display angle of images with MC 2.4.3 on WinXP pro. Note it is for integer values for degrees only. If you want an animation, it will be very slow rotation for large images. I noted for looping in 1 degree steps that it took about 1 second per step for my specific test image. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Random generator exercise
Here is yet another approach to the exercise. A SINGLE random number is generated, from which a numeric or an alpha character is generated. There is a .5 probability of generating a numeric, and .5 probablity of generating an alpha. Within the alpha, there is a .5 probablity of being lower case, and .5 probablity of being upper case. on mouseUp put empty into field displayField ask (How many characters to generate ? (1-9)) put it into charCount repeat charCount times put random(520) into myRandom if myRandom 261 then ##numeric put (myRandom - 1) div 26 after field displayField else if myRandom 391 then put 45 into offsetASCII ##lowercase else put -13 into offsetASCII ##uppercase end if put (myRandom 1) div 5 + offsetASCII into finalValue put numToChar(finalValue) after field displayField end if end repeat end mouseUp miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Furby.rev (a virtual Furby toy)
Rick Harrison writes: on 2/4/2003 10:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure William would love to hear some words of encouragement from you guys (off list at [EMAIL PROTECTED]). [EMAIL PROTECTED] Roger, It's cute, but there is no way to quit the application under OS 9.2.2 You might want to tell William to try adding some sounds to spice it up. Have fun! Rick Harrison Mr. Harrison, Perhaps you missed this address from above? [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm sure young William would appreciate your direct response, rather than passing it through his father. Likewise, why make dad the middleman? By the way, under Win XP pro, MetaCard, I can exit no problem using the window's native close button. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Storing images
J. Landman Gay writes: There is no duplication of the image graphic when you do this; Rev just inserts a temporary copy of the image into RAM just as addcolor does when it draws the image to screen. === Is a copy of the image placed into RAM, or is there just a pointer created that points to the RAM address of a single copy of the image? miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Furby.rev (a virtual Furby toy)
Rick Harrison writes: [snip] I hope I've answered all of your questions to your satisfaction! Mr. Harrison Yes, you answered to my satisfaction the single question that I posed. Your additional commentary was useful as well. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Furby.rev (a virtual Furby toy)
Rick Harrison writes: [snip] It's cute, but there is no way to quit the application under OS 9.2.2 You could have accomplished your goal of informing the list with the above line. Then you could have also sent a private message to William with your suggestion below, even leaving out any negative comments. If you are familiar with sandwich a negative between two poitives, I'm sure you could have given him the bad news in a totally positive light. Perhaps you have forgotten what it was like to be eleven? Any kind of recognition from the adult world for an accomplishment does wonders for a child's psyche. You might want to tell William to try adding some sounds to spice it up. == miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: pre-beta
Judy Perry writes: [snip] Are we all setting up the company for failure or something? We? They made the marketing announcements and promotions. First we have our favorite resident troll... Such compliments. I hope I can meet your expectations. we all whine about how buggy/incomplete the pre-beta is. It seems you've missed the point. What, does v.1 not work? Think that Maromedia does any better? (HOW long did Mac users have to wait for an OSX/MX version?!). Why compare? Why not let Revolution stand on its own merits and track record? You're really just saying The Rev team and Revolution are no better than Macromedia and their products. And, no, I have not been temporarily possessed... No need to call out the exorcists. More likely permanantly possessed. :( Judy On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Bernard Devlin wrote: I have been starting to have the same suspicion myself. It does seem a bit strange to have announced 2.0 (along with screenshots) in November. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Minor Demo Update/Notice
Howard Bornstein writes: Just enter the following line in your message box: go stack url http://www.tactilemedia.com/panel.mc; Hmm. Did that and got this message: stack is corrupted, check for ~ backup file ??? = Mr. Bornstein, Worked fine for me. == Mr. Hurley, This is a very nice offerring. Could you modify the Close button so it is more easily found? It is very small and the same color as the player. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: public beta?
Curry writes: [snip] About the anti-miscdas subthread, Besides, to me it seems that even if we perceive something is off track, we don't have to worry to much about addressing it as long as everyone else in the group is able to perceive pretty much what we do, and here that should be the case as far as this topic is concerned. And therein lies the problem! miscdas Curry ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: public beta?
[snip]Toma Tasovac writes: I know that it is not politically correct to whine about the delay of 2.0 on this list, since complaints are usually bombarded with the wise and ethically superior they're working so hard, give them a break and we want a good product, we're ready to wait... kind of answers I would still like to get a response from the Revolution team:? All best, Toma = So Toma, if you want a response from the revolution team, why are you addressing the mail list? Revolution has other more pertinent means of connecting to them than this list. Use your head... miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: public beta?
[snip}Toma Tasovac writes: On Tuesday, January 28, 2003, at 01:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So Toma, if you want a response from the revolution team, why are you addressing the mail list? Revolution has other more pertinent means of connecting to them than this list. why am i addressing the mail list? because the revolution team used the list on several occasions to provide information regarding Rev 2; and because i think the answer would be of interest to many people on the list. Use your head... hmmm... does my appalling lack of intelligence offend you? if it does, i'm very sorry. we can't all be brilliant, you know. T. ___ Toma, I must repeat-- USE YOUR HEAD! Intelligence level is of little relevance. I suspect the RR team uses the list to post announcements as courtesy to the subscribers and perhaps because as you said, the answer would be of interest to many people on the list. They could just as easily post all the product announcements to the website. If there is post-worthy news from the RR team, don't you think they would post it? (Or am I presumptuous to include think when addressing you?) Why don't you go do your thing, let them do their thing, and when you or they have something post-worthy, post it! Until then, some clear air please. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
public beta?
[SNIP]Heather writes: A small slippage. Soon, soon. No really. I'm not saying anymore, because dates always get me into trouble. The best to you too, and please, be patient, once more, just a little longer... Regards, Heather = (Listening in on one side of phone chat...) What? Oh yeah, yeah, uh-huh. Sure. That's what I heard... No. Well, I heard it somewhere before. You know- the V word. Sure you do! VAPORWARE Repeat that please... OK OK I got it. Let me write that down. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. No, not too busy. Just sitting around sniffling and whining about not seeing the Revolution 2.0 yet. Yeah, you're right. If I spent half the time coding as I do asking about updates, I'd have all of my jobs finished already. Nice talking to you. Yeah, I'm sure I can find a place to use that quote. Bye miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
public beta?
[SNIP]Heather writes: A small slippage. Soon, soon. No really. I'm not saying anymore, because dates always get me into trouble. The best to you too, and please, be patient, once more, just a little longer... Regards, Heather = (Listening in on one side of phone chat...) What? Oh yeah, yeah, uh-huh. Sure. That's what I heard... No. Well, I heard it somewhere before. You know- the V word. Sure you do! VAPORWARE Repeat that please... OK OK I got it. Let me write that down. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. No, not too busy. Just sitting around sniffling and whining about not seeing the Revolution 2.0 yet. Yeah, you're right. If I spent half the time coding as I do asking about updates, I'd have all of my jobs finished already. Nice talking to you. Yeah, I'm sure I can find a place to use that quote. Bye miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: public beta?
[snip]Alex Rice writes: Folks! this is just noise. If you killfile (filter) someone don't gloat about it and announce it on the list. Just do it, and be done with it. Alex Rice, Software Developer Mr. Rice, Aha! There is, indeed, a bright spot of vocal sanity left on the list! Kudos for your perception. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Passing Lists
[snip] Richard Gaskin writes: Rob Cozens wrote: Simple stack: one field of text, Text, and one button Set Style. on mouseUp ask What style? put it into theStyle set the textStyle of char 20 to 40 of field Text to theStyle end mouseUp All is well so long as the style is a single item (eg: plain, italic, box, etc.), BUT try bold,condense or any combination of multiple styles and nothing happens. If I run the script in the debugger, I get Margin is not an integer. Who wants to be Sherlock of the Day? PS: I tried bold,condense and bold,condense with the same result. It may be that condense is not a supported Transcript text style (although the error message itself should be considered a bug -- what do margins have to do with text styles?). I had thought only plain, bold, italic, underline, and strikeout were supported. WIN XP, MetaCard 2.4.3 Using your script, in the Ask dialog I tried all of the following with the listed result: bold bold was set italic italic was set condense error generated Object: not a text style condensed no apparent effect expanded no apparent effect expand error generated Object: not a text style bold,condense error generated Object: not a text style bold,condensed bold was set bold,expanded bold was set bold,expand error generated Object: not a text style So, it appears that condensed and expanded are valid, but have no effect (at least with the font I selected), and can be combined with other text styles in a single statement. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: NEW Image Thumbnail Preview Control...
[snip] Chipp Walters writes: Here's a handy thumbnail preview control (and documentation) http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Downloads.htm Chipp Chipp, thanks for the contribution; it has potential. Here are some things that need improvement, if you have the time and inclination. On WINXP, when I used Set Loc and moved the view area up into the text area, the text is on top of the image. Can you make the image on top? Can you make the file details display area at the bottom of the screen resizable? When I change the viewer location, I want to change the size of the details box so I can see more without scrolling. Using the scroll bar to navigate through the pics wasn't so great. With the slider, it was too esy to run past the next pic. With the buttons, it takes many clicks to get to the next pic. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Random but unique
Here is the technique that I used in another app. It goes through the list only one time, swapping a randomly chosen value from your list with the last element of the list, where the last element is decremented in each pass. I decided to make a swap on EVERY pass, rather than checking to see if a swap is required, because until the very last pass the probablity of needing to swap is always greater than 50:50. For a list L comprising n elements. Begin loop at i=n and decrement i by 1. Generate integer random number R in the range 1 through i. Set Temp = L(i) Set L(i) = L(R) Set L(R) = Temp Next i So, on the first pass, the value of last element is swapped with the value of the randomly generated element. On the final pass, the value of element 2 is swapped with the value of element 1. Because a swap is made with the element L(i), you never have to worry about a duplicate value. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Random but unique
[snip] Dar Scott writes: On the final pass, the value of element 2 is swapped with the value of element 1. This scrambling idea is a good idea and is especially applicable to situations where the swap can be done in constant time as in scrambling characters. I think the random n of n can be generalized to random n of m. I don't think the above quoted statement is exactly right, though. It looks to me that on the final pass element 1 is swapped with element 1. On the penultimate pass, element 2 is swapped with either element 1 or element 2. Of course, the penultimate can be made the final as the final doesn't do anything. This comment is intended only as clarification; the method looks great to me. Allowing R to be i (causing a trivial swap) is crucial and is part of the merit of the method. Dar Scott My error regarding the final pass description. You are correct about the final and penultimate swaps as you described. Although the final swap is a trivial swap of element 1 with itself, I left it to avoid another line of code. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Random but unique, more info
[snip] Dar Scott writes: On Sunday, January 12, 2003, at 03:52 PM, Sarah wrote: sort lines of vChooseFrom by random(1) -- or some suitably big number return line 1 to vNumToChoose of vChooseFrom That's not fair! That's using your superior knowledge of Revolution commands! Dar Scott Dar, In MetaCard, no superior knowledge of commands required: Help Index search for: sort sort command returns To randomize the order of the lines of a field: sort field numbers by random(1000) miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT--List etiquette and general helpful hints
[snip] Jim Hurley writes: Bernard Devlin wrote: I suspect discussions of cheese and other comestibles may be unlikely to cause much offence. Bernard ... I am consoled by the thought that the early bird may get the worm, but it is the second mouse who gets the cheese. Jim Hurley -- Jim Hurley __ To what fine things dost thou pay homage? Nought but one, friend--goodly fromage. --Dr. Dave's It's Nearly Philosophy-- ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RTF vs HTML
David Vaughan writes: On Wednesday, Jan 8, 2003, at 21:51 Australia/Sydney, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip . Just one example: create a document in Word and use full paragraph justification. Save the file as RTF. Now launch your favorite RTF editor (other than Word), open the RTF file created in Word, and lunch is on me if your full justified paragraphs are still full justified. Miscdas, in which city is the booking please, or will you come to Oz for lunch :-) ? David, Tel Aviv.(OK, so I can also make it Netanya or Rehovot, but NO WAY Jerusalem.) I stated only luch; transportation is on you... miscdas regards David ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RTF vs HTML
Wolfgang M. Bereuter writes: On Montag, Jänner 6, 2003, at 04:48 Uhr, Ron wrote: I've been using the HTML prop to read/write text files and save formatted texts. Now, with 2.0 ability to handle RTF text I want to asking about the plus/minuses of using RTF over HTML. My purpose is to save formatted text to regular text files that can be read by other apps (be it a browser or text editor), as well as my own rev app. Which would you go with? [SNIP] Hello Ron, try exchange documents with regular (Win) Users. If you do sharing documents if you are working on one document like for translation or for any textoriented and multimedia production with different tools, you will see very fast the difference about handling rtf and html. In this case a strong standard is very important. Html is *not* that standard. Rtf is it much more. Thats why I think that rtf support is so important in rev. Pls have a look at the rev archive, there is a thread about html rtf text formating with rev. (f.e. Rev supports html 2.0. It does not support 4.0 or CSS...) But the rtf-format is supported from nearly any 20$ shareware wich is able to handele text... hope that helps regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter If you or your users are going to be using MS Word as the RTF editor, BEWARE! Although there is indeed and RTF standard, it is a sufficiently open standard that compatibility issues creep in. MS Word includes RTF formatting beyond what is found in your $20 shareware editors that can cause problems. Just one example: create a document in Word and use full paragraph justification. Save the file as RTF. Now launch your favorite RTF editor (other than Word), open the RTF file created in Word, and lunch is on me if your full justified paragraphs are still full justified. Many of the regular users, such as secretarys, that were mentioned need full justification for the bosses manuscripts. As I recall from some earlier tests, MC/RR doesn't support full justification. I think that even MS WordPad substitues some other formatting for full justification. For a second exercise, save that original doc as an HTML file and view it in your favorite browser. Surprise! The full justification is still there, just as in the starting MS Word document. Now continue by launching your favorite HTML editor, open that HTML doc created in Word, and it's about 70:30 that the full justification is gone. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.0 To Be Previewed At Macworld
Alex Rice writes: [snip] Runtime Revolution today announced a special preview of Revolution 2.0 What's the scoop on this? Does it just mean a recent build is on someone's laptop ready for demoing at Macworld? :-) Alex Rice, Software Developer Repeat after me: If it's not on my desk if it's not on the shelf, is it for real? --Yeah, right.. so's an Elf! V-A-P-O-R W-A-R-E Poof! miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.0 To Be Previewed At Macworld
Jan Schenkel writes: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex Rice writes: [snip] Runtime Revolution today announced a special preview of Revolution 2.0 What's the scoop on this? Does it just mean a recent build is on someone's laptop ready for demoing at Macworld? :-) Alex Rice, Software Developer Repeat after me: If it's not on my desk if it's not on the shelf, is it for real? --Yeah, right.. so's an Elf! V-A-P-O-R W-A-R-E Poof! miscdas Don't you ever have any projects that take more time than anticipated to finish ? Yes, and for my boss (or client), all they see is vapor. Haved you never made any promises that you were really working hard on to keep, but unfortunately slipped up sometimes or had to postpone because more urgent things got in the way? Yes, but even when the boss (or client) is the originator of the more urgent thing, he stills wants concrete results, not vapor. I'd be very much surprised. Jan Schenkel. Good intentions, promises, and resetting of priorities are still not concrete products, just vapor. So, thank you for your round-about support. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.0 To Be Previewed At Macworld
Klaus Major writes: Hi miscdas, Alex Rice writes: [snip] Runtime Revolution today announced a special preview of Revolution 2.0 What's the scoop on this? Does it just mean a recent build is on someone's laptop ready for demoing at Macworld? :-) Alex Rice, Software Developer Repeat after me: If it's not on my desk if it's not on the shelf, is it for real? --Yeah, right.. so's an Elf! V-A-P-O-R W-A-R-E Poof! miscdas From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fr, 27. Dez 2002 Listers, Just a few words on your priorities in life. I noted a number of posts dated Dec. 25. For those raised in the Judeo-Christian culture, this typically marks a time of gathering of friends and family for, let us say, bonding of some sort. Take time to reflect on what you were doing during this holiday time, and examine your priorities in life. Perhaps family doesn't bring the excitment of XTalk programming, or perhaps you are addicted to programming. Being social creatures with purported higher-order thought processes, turn some of that thinking power towards your socialization circle and see if it meshes well with the group's needs. The New Year is just around the corner. The time is ripe for formulating realistic resolutions. Happy Holidays miscdas The road to enlightenment may at times seem the darkest path. Make neither the journey nor the goal superior; only the balance of each in its own measure can bring fulfillment. although i know that you are a valuable and helpful member of this list i cannot but ask you: Thank you for your opinion. I'm sure others will be hard-pressed to find the value or the help. How do these 2 posts fit together ? Why do they need to fit?? Do you have some need to have everything fit into some nice neat and tidy predictable little package? Escpecially the last sentence is remarkable in my opinion... Remarkable? In what way? Think ! Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] miscdas P.S. I'm known to make statements in which I have no belief whatsoever. Many people are more than delighted to assume some personal attachment. For example, I received what was to me a very amusing reply to the post at the beginning of this post, in which the writer ASSUMED I am Christian, and perhaps should, as they say, practice what I preach. The funniest thing is, I'm NOT Christian, so the whole post was a scream. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.0 To Be Previewed At Macworld
Jan Schenkel writes: [snip} However, the term 'vaporware' points to malevolent misleading of the market. And I don't think it's the case here at all. I don't agree with your view of the connotation of vaporware. While many neutral words have taken on a negative bias (e.g criticize), I don't think vaporware is one of them. (But your willingness to put it into a negative perspective helps build a case. But then maybe you also are a user of very unique as well?) As was said, good intentions and honesty were probably at work, not any malevolence or intent to mislead. Vaporware is nothing more than a no-show product, for whatever the reason. MS is (im)famous for it, and Apple certainly has its share. Jan Schenkel. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.0 To Be Previewed At Macworld
Klaus Major writes: [snip] Hi miscdas, in this case i recommend to use some kind of satire/irony-tags, so folks like me won't be annoyed by posts of this kind, which do not belong to a list like this if they are meant seriously. And so i would not have thought that your not too polite speech about vaporware would be opposite to your christian-ness. As you see, this is just an avoidable misunderstanding ;-) Maybe you also forgot the satire/irony-tags in that namely post, too ? Regards Klaus Major Hi Klaus, In general, people take things (and themselves) much too seriously. These are the very people that need a jolt now-and-then as a reminder to change perspective. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: invisible buttons - non-clickable??????
[snip] Klaus Major writes: Hi Nicholas, Ok, I make a button visible and it works fine. If it is invisible, however, it does not work. Is that really the intended functionality? Yes :-) How do you exspect your customers to click, when not knowing where to click ? Is the concept of an invisible HotSpot so foreign? It's beauty is in the fact that it is indeed not visible to the user, yet an action can be triggered by a variety of events (e.g. mouseover, mouseclick, mousedouble click, collision). Can be very useful when used in layers with other objects. miscdas Klaus Major ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
OT:Life's Priorities
Listers, Just a few words on your priorities in life. I noted a number of posts dated Dec. 25. For those raised in the Judeo-Christian culture, this typically marks a time of gathering of friends and family for, let us say, bonding of some sort. Take time to reflect on what you were doing during this holiday time, and examine your priorities in life. Perhaps family doesn't bring the excitment of XTalk programming, or perhaps you are addicted to programming. Being social creatures with purported higher-order thought processes, turn some of that thinking power towards your socialization circle and see if it meshes well with the group's needs. The New Year is just around the corner. The time is ripe for formulating realistic resolutions. Happy Holidays miscdas The road to enlightenment may at times seem the darkest path. Make neither the journey nor the goal superior; only the balance of each in its own measure can bring fulfillment. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Another 2.0 Question
Bill Lynn writes: I fail to see the point of all of these posts to the list. Why doesn't someone just go to the source then post the reply rather than continuing all the speculative drivel? Another option would be to keep the discussion free and open and skip past those posts you consider drivel. Cheers... Bill Lynn Simtech Publications And how, pray tell, might one determine if a post is of interest and skip past when the subject line is Re: Another 2.0 Question? That subject is so broad that unless one examines the body of the post, how is it possible? miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Another 2.0 Question
Monte Goulding writes: Just a stab in the dark but I'd say they are waiting for the engine to be complete. Raney's on Beta 1 so they probably have a few more weeks yet. So how did they think that it was going to ship in November. Well I'd say that the expected date for the engine was about then but a 2 month discussion about the Drag and Drop API on the xTalks list slowed everything down. But it could have been anything. With 2.0 the RunRev team is attempting to close the gap between MC builds and Rev builds. That means there is two development timelines that need to converge. Two lots of testing. A hell of a lot of work to deliver a stable product. If we see it before Jan then it will be a miracle! It will be a great product and well worth the wait. Cheers Monte I fail to see the point of all of these posts to the list. Why doesn't someone just go to the source then post the reply rather than continuing all the speculative drivel? miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Groups
Richard Gaskin writes: [snip] I think I may have discovered the source of this cognitive dissonance: the ed -- perhaps the original poster was reading that as selectGroupControls rather than selectGroupedControls. Damnable gerunds Gerund? Where? Gerunds are nouns that always end in -ing. And no, reading is not a gerund. I believe it is the present participle completing the past progressive. miscdas miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: It's a list! It's an array! No, it's...
Dar Scott writes: [snip] I'm working on a way to pack some values together and take them apart. Seems to me you just found your name and function names. The object is a package. The functions are pack and unpack. To string them together or unstring, tie and untie. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Arrays vs Lists
Mike McManus writes: [snip] As for Dar's question about a list. IME, a list is an ordered delimited groups of words or phrases. The delimiter is usually, but not always a comma. I suspect that is not correct when you consider programming in general. But having spent a lot of time in Hypercard. That is what I consider one. You can delimit with anything, just be sure it doesn't pop up in you list items. Why restrict your definition to an ORDERED group of things? Granted that intuitively, ordering renders the list more useful. But should it be a requirement? miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Background
David Vaughan writes: [snip] True, miscdas, but the list exists in part to help people discover the documentation as well as the product, or the use-list would hardly need to exist at all. A pointer to using the documentation (as you have done here) as well as to the answer helps people get up and running faster. regards David ___ My point, apparently not readily seen, is that new users could probably benefit enormously from simply spending some time going through the tutorials and actually DOING them to gain a familiarity with basic features. Then, if difficulties arise with an application, make use of the mailing list or private contacts. I see on this list (as well as on other forums to which I belong) that many new users ask basic questions that are well documented either in the documentation that was supplied with the app (tutorials, example stacks, code snippets, etc.), or in the discussion archives. A very little personal effort to discover a solution not only benefits the person, but keeps the mailing list less cluttered. I don't see that it is at all difficult to discover the documentation. It is again a very basic exercise to navigate to the folder where the app was installed and look around at the supplied files, as well as to simply click help, press F1, etc. while the app is running. The list does and can exist without ever touching these basic areas, except in the instances where the documentation is poorly written (or even in error), or to reveal new-found properties or uses for some basic documented functions. A little thought on the subject reveals this can be seen as matter of courtesy to others. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Background
Or, try using the built-in help; in this case the Application Tutorial. Step 10 describes groups and backgrounds and walks you through creating them. I don't come from any type of XTalk background. I rarely need to venture outside of the information provided in the MC download to answer these types of rather basic questions. I'm certain better use could be made of the supplied resources. miscdas Gary Rathbone writes: Take a look at http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/metaclass.htm Although its Metacard based the principal is the same. Lesson 6 deals with Groups and Backgrounds. Or take a look at http://www.runrev.com/revolution/developers/articles/tipoftheweek/5.html Which is aimed mainly at developers coming from HyperCard - thanks to Sarah Reichelt. Regards Gary Rathbone BSc MBCS Chartered Information Systems Practitioner -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Adrian L'Armand Sent: 24 November 2002 12:45 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Background I must have missed something but how does one put buttons and fields in the background so that they appear on every card. I am coming from HyperCard where it was very easy. Adrian ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Off Topic Group Quiz
Rob Cozens writes: [snip] Anyone else want to play? -- Rob Cozens CCW, Serendipity Software Company http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm Isn't this whole thread a big waste of valuable bandwidth? miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: iCalendar/vCalendar (OT: joke)
So what standards body issued the U for voltage? And, is U still expressed in volts? miscdas Sjoerd Op 't Land writes: erik hansen wrote/ schreef: V is for volt U is for ? voltage as: A is for ampere I is for current R is for resistance is for ohms Regards, / Groeten, Sjoerd ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: get specialFolderpath(26)
I'm running MetaCard 2.4.3, Win98 put specialFolderPath(26) Correctly returned the path to my Applications Data folder. However, put specialFolderPath(26) returns folder not found miscdas = [snip] sims writes: Can anyone tell me if the function: get specialFolderpath(26) -- user's Application Data folder works on all versions of Windows? I can use it here with my Mac running VirtualPC Windows 98 but have no PC to test with otherwise... Does it work with 95 - 98 - etc.? Is there a problem using it with NT as suggested by Dave Cragg below? atb sims The values for the Applications Data folders are: get specialFolderPath(35) -- common Application Data folder get specialFolderpath(26) -- user's Application Data folder ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: get specialFolderpath(26)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm running MetaCard 2.4.3, Win98, IE5 put specialFolderPath(26) Correctly returned the path to my Applications Data folder. However, put specialFolderPath(26) Oops! this should be 35, not 26 returns folder not found miscdas = [snip] sims writes: Can anyone tell me if the function: get specialFolderpath(26) -- user's Application Data folder works on all versions of Windows? I can use it here with my Mac running VirtualPC Windows 98 but have no PC to test with otherwise... Does it work with 95 - 98 - etc.? Is there a problem using it with NT as suggested by Dave Cragg below? atb sims The values for the Applications Data folders are: get specialFolderPath(35) -- common Application Data folder get specialFolderpath(26) -- user's Application Data folder ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: get specialFolderpath(26)
Yep, got it: c:\windows\system\shlwapi.dll 16\08\99 I rechecked put specialFolderPath(35) and verified folder not found miscdas [snip] Ken Ray writes: Really? According to my source, specialFolderPath(35) should be supported as a result of IE 5's installation; it was reported by Microsoft to be part of the the 'shlwapi.dll' installed w/IE5. Can you check and see if you have that DLL? Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT Re: REALbasic vs. Revolution
I AGREE! Please continue to add your thought-provoking commentary. To make a good stew, the pot must be stirred from time-to-time. miscdas [snip] Richard Gaskin writes: Troy Rollins wrote: This is my last post on the topic. Maybe at all here. Troy, I'll get on bended knee if necessary, but your posts have been among the most thought-provoking here yet. I can honestly say I've spent more time thinking about words you've laid down here than 90% of the email I read (you even got me poking around in iShell for hours one night -- fscinating gadget). I'm back to good ol' Rev nerd talk here myself, and I think a lot of folks share your sentiment. Please stay, and stay vocal. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT Re: REALbasic vs. Revolution
Scott, Please, please continue with a business paradigm that includes do things right, rather than quick. As a Windoze user, I am sick of the buggy bloatware offered by MS. I NEVER install version 1.x of any MS products; the patches and bug fixes that have to be installed are a testament to the great ball of string being so huge and tangled that we're forever locked in a never-ending cycle of fixes and patches. miscdas [snip] Scott Raney writes: Our natural inclination when adding engine features is to do things right, rather than quick. This means it might take longer to make some things available, the eventual product is of better quality and easier to use than what you get with some other products... Regards, Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The Transcendental GUI (was a thread from REALbasic vs. Revolution)
Rob, So no keyboard driven options? I am a touch typist, and have little love for the mouse. I find it particularly annoying that much of the Web REQUIRES mouse actions. I make use of keyboard shortcuts (when available) in all my apps. I wish all of them had easy keyboard navigation as well as keyboard menu shortcuts. Rob Cozens writes: [snip] 3. My application has a limited market (wineries) What I have done is to reduce a very complicated activity into a series of point and click actions that can be completed without typing on the keyboard. Looking at competitors' products, I don't think the functionality can be replicated in a standard menu-driven application without suffering significant setbacks in ease of learning, navigation, and use. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Wouldn't a forum be a far better idea?
I vote with Jerry for a forum. When I first started to go through the mailing list archives, it was a real nuisance to not have topics with the threads beneath them. The mailing list isn't such a good format for newbies, but its limitations go almost unnoticed by the regulars. Isn't a large part of the Revolution/MetaCard goal to attract and keep newbies? If yes, then more emphasis should be placed there. I belong to or lurk several MM authoring forums. I've seen several designs that are very good. There is no reason why a good one (with good design, UI, etc.) couldn't be implemented for the Revolution community. This is, afterall the 21st century people... miscdas Jerry Thomas writes: Dear Mailing List Participants, I have been using the runrev mailing list for a few weeks now and OK I'm a newbie to revolution. But, because I am a developer who uses several different software packages I belong to several different use groups and I'm not a newbie to multimedia or support. I believe(with much experience behind it)that the user mailing list is a very poor way to assist users and that FORUMS are by far the better idea. Yes, I know, most Rev users are so used to this system that change may be resisted but the long term best interests of everybody would be served by the changeover to a forum method. WHY A FORUM METHOD? First topics are defined by the header and replies go directly underneath that header so when a user responds to a given thread it can easily be understood. With the mailing list, unless you republish the question the reply just hangs there in space with no context. With the forum method the next replier can reply to the reply and to the general topic and be well understood. There is so much repeated,republished text in the mailing list method that just wastes time and space but without which the list would be incomprehensible. Second forums provide continuity, with a search function you can quickly determine whether someone asked your same question months or even years ago with out searching archives. Third, forums can provide a way to separate topics so that one doesn't have to read many,many posts that are unrelated or irelevant to your project or topic. Everytime I go to read the Runrev mailing list I come away needing eye drops and aspirin for my head. The interesting thing is that you already have a forum but have relegated it to newbies. The truth is that newbies can't teach newbies very well. The best thing for learning is a mix of a pool of experienced users who are willing to help and newbies willing to learn. I think both your experienced users and your newbies (if you intend for the company and community to grow) would be far better off moving over to the existing forum and the company Runtime Revolution would be better off if it had easier to understand support. Check out a high quality forum for Multimedia Builder at www.mediachance.com (web boards from the menu on the home page) Like Run rev this is a real COMMUNITY of users. The forum method means that you can follow the conversations and learn from topics and threads that can go back months and even in one case years. Right now as it stands you have a very difficult to understand mailing list and a sorely treated, almost competely unused forum. Thanks for listening. I'm just trying to help you build a better company and user community. What do people think about moving this user group over into the existing forum? Any Comments or suggestions? Thanks again Jerry _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: rename problem
Gareth Jones writes: Hello, everyone. There may be a very simple solution to this one, but I can't see it. I'm writing a stack to rename music files in a folder. The rest of the script is working as expected, but the rename command is failing to rename. No warnings or error messages. There are three variables that would seem to be important to the command: CurrentSong (e.g. The Hare's Dream.mp3) NewName (e.g. Watersons - Unknown Album - The Hare's Dream.mp3) defaultFolder= (e.g. /Vishnu/Test Music/Watersons/Unknown Album) The three variables contain what I expect them to. The rename command looks like this: rename file CurrentSong to NewName Yet no renaming takes place. Any thoughts? I'm using Mac OS X, if that's any help. -Gareth I'm using WIN98, MetaCard 2.4.3 build 3 This works for me (removed file from your script): rename CurrentSong to NewName I also noted in the Help stack the following: MacOS and Win32 systems do not support moving files or directories to other directories. Maybe MetaCard was updated and the Help stack wasn't? I tried moving a file to another directory and it worked fine. rename C:\file1.txt to C:\A1\file1.txt I renamed a folder and this also worked fine. rename C:\A1 to C:\B1 In addition, I moved a folder to another directory without a problem. rename C:\A1 to C:\B1\A1 miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: matrixMultiply
You are correct, Jan. Also, the Help stack entry for Arrays states this requirement very clearly. miscdas Jan Schenkel writes: Hi Brad, If I remember correctly from my Linear Algebra classes, in order to multiply two arrays, their dimensions have to be such that the first dimension of the second array equals the second dimension of the first array, so they should be of the sort: Array1 [m x n] and Array2 [n x p] which means that, in this case, as it's not a square array, it can't multiply it with itself. Try again wih a square array. Hope this helped, Jan Schenkel. As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (De Rochefoucald) --- Brad Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm also having some difficulty with this function. Here is the error message I receive when I try to use it on a two-dimensional numerically keyed array containing only integer elements: Message execution error: Error description: matrixMultiply: can't multiply these arrays Here is the text I'm putting into my function 1 0 1 1 1 1 0 0 1 0 3 0 Here is the function I'm using (it's purpose is just to explore how to put data into a matrix, do matrix multiplication, and display the output): function testMatrix inputText put the number of lines in inputText into rowLength put the number of words in line 1 of inputText into columnLength repeat with c = 1 to columnLength repeat with r = 1 to rowLength put the value of (word c of line r of inputText) into outputArray[r,c] end repeat end repeat put matrixMultiply(outputArray,outputArray) into productArray -- here is where I get the error --display the contents of productArray in field array2 put empty into field array2 repeat with c = 1 to columnLength repeat with r = 1 to rowLength put productArray[r,c] space into word c of line r of field array2 end repeat end repeat return productArray end testMatrix Thanks! ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Database in Revolution
Dear Richard Gaskin, This is a simple array type data base. The row is income $650 to 20,000 in $50 increments The column is number of children is one child through six children. Each intersection (like $2,250 and three children) is a discrete number. All totaled there are 2,400 intersections. My best guess is that this comes in well under 1 mb. But you know databases better than I do. What is available in Revolution to handle this minor database? My concern is that I have never worked with programing interfaces with databases. My specialty is video and graphics. So with respect to this area I am a newbie. Thanks for your help. == I'm going to make a few assumptions, because you didn't supply many details. 1. The user will be inputting a $$value. 2. The user will be inputting an offspring value. 3. A table will supply a second $$outputvalue based on input1 and input2. (Perhaps the table finds the amount of tax the user must pay based on income and number of offspring.) 4. The user does not need to view the table. 5. It is clear that the first column (1 offspring)can be easily calculated, because you already listed the start value, end value, and increment. Therefore, it is almost trivial to produce the $$outputvalue for each cell (intersection) of this column. 6. I suspect a similar relationship exists for each successive column, and that a simple factor needs to be changed based on the column number. If the user needs to view the table, you can use the same math to fill an array rather than manually inputting the data. Then, if the table needs to be revised, it's a simple matter of adjusting the math. If you supply start, end, and increment values for a few more columns, it will be possible to determine the formula to use to find the value at any cell in the table. miscdas ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
