Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles

[Chris J.]

Hi.



On Sun, 22 Oct 2023 11:18:28 -0400
"Chris J."  dijo:


Is there a list of common mistakes I can look at to try figuring out
I'm dong wrong?

Mistake 1) You didn't mention page styles. They would solve some of
your problems.

Mistake 2) Once you get a document created with the formatting and
styles that you want, but still blank, before adding the actual text,
save it as a template. Next time you want to create a new document do
'New > From templates' instead of just 'New.'

Most publishers offer a list of formatting requirements for manuscript
submissions, and many provide templates for major word processors, plus
LO also has numerous templates for manuscripts. There are also various
style manuals on the market. Why invent the wheel when someone has
already done it? Just open a new document based on the required
template, and there you are, ready to go to work.



Obviously I have more reading to do. Thank you. Much appreciated.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles

[Philip Jackson]

Hi Chris,

On 22/10/2023 17:18, Chris J. wrote:

A few details might change, but stories submissions to publishers and editors 
have pretty much the same characteristics, in the States anyway; 1.00 inch 
margin top and bottom, 1.25 inch margins right and left, Times Roman or Times 
New Roman font, 12pt, double spaced. Page numbers are helpful and I put mine 
right justified in the header and centered in the footer. Most want the title 
in the header right side. Some want the chapter title in the header, left side. 
Some want a table of contents which I read can be done in Write in the header I 
believe.

The first page of a chapter is a little different. There's some white space at 
he top (I put 6 double spaced lines), then an a chapter number or title, more 
white space (same), then a page by age repeat of the above first paragraph.

One would think this should be possible with a couple of styles.

I can change an existing paragraph style with no problem. But setting up a new 
one with the above attributes and getting it defined for entire page/story is 
eluding me for some reason. It's driving me nuts to the point that keep a 
couple blank formatted pages around as above and just copy them to new stories.

Is there a list of common mistakes I can look at to try figuring out I'm dong 
wrong?

All the above requirements, as you suppose, are capable of being placed into 
page or paragraph styles. For the example of the first page of a chapter, you 
can define a new page style based off the default page style. I find the 
easiest way of working is to have the Styles sidebar visible on the right hand 
side of the screen, select the page styles by clicking on the little icon at 
the top (there are six of these and on my Writer, the page styles icon is 4th 
from the left). Then on the Default page style, right click and select New 
Style and in the dialogue that opens, proceed from tab to tab to set up the 
characteristics you require.

First you'll need to specify that it's 'right side only', then you can set the 
top margin to a larger value to avoid the ad hoc formatting you do with 6 
double spaced lines. You can also select to have no header on this page (which 
may not be what your agents require but is typical for print formats.)

To get more space under the chapter title, you will achieve this by modifying 
(or creating a new style) the Heading style you use for these chapter titles. 
That is done within the paragraph styles in the sidebar.

All text paragraphs can be set up with single or double spacing. Header and 
footer styles can be set up with the various fields you require (chapter title, 
book title, page number...). You can create new header, footer, heading and 
text body styles from the default versions and give them new names which help 
you to remember which is which.

For a lengthy manuscript, it is likely that you will require several page 
styles (I have preface, left hand empty, right hand new chapter, regular 
left/right mirrored pages for the body of the book, back-matter left/right 
pages). Same goes for paragraph styles: first paragraph of chapter (no indent), 
regular text body, several list styles, centered text example style ... and so 
on.  They take a little time to set up but can be transferred to other 
documents as you need them.

Using styles will avoid a lot of complications in the coding if you 
subsequently require to turn the manuscript into an epub. Ad hoc formatting is 
liable to leave an unwanted heap of formatting tokens in the eBook. Once you 
get the hang of it, it saves a load of aggro and I find the styles easier to 
set up in Writer than in Word.

Philip

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles

[John Jason Jordan]

On Sun, 22 Oct 2023 11:18:28 -0400
"Chris J."  dijo:

>Is there a list of common mistakes I can look at to try figuring out
>I'm dong wrong?

Mistake 1) You didn't mention page styles. They would solve some of
your problems.

Mistake 2) Once you get a document created with the formatting and
styles that you want, but still blank, before adding the actual text,
save it as a template. Next time you want to create a new document do
'New > From templates' instead of just 'New.'

Most publishers offer a list of formatting requirements for manuscript
submissions, and many provide templates for major word processors, plus
LO also has numerous templates for manuscripts. There are also various
style manuals on the market. Why invent the wheel when someone has
already done it? Just open a new document based on the required
template, and there you are, ready to go to work.

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[libreoffice-users] Styles

[Chris J.]

Hi.


A few details might change, but stories submissions to publishers and 
editors have pretty much the same characteristics, in the States anyway; 
1.00 inch margin top and bottom, 1.25 inch margins right and left, Times 
Roman or Times New Roman font, 12pt, double spaced. Page numbers are 
helpful and I put mine right justified in the header and centered in the 
footer. Most want the title in the header right side. Some want the 
chapter title in the header, left side. Some want a table of contents 
which I read can be done in Write in the header I believe.



The first page of a chapter is a little different. There's some white 
space at he top (I put 6 double spaced lines), then an a chapter number 
or title, more white space (same), then a page by age repeat of the 
above first paragraph.



One would think this should be possible with a couple of styles.


I can change an existing paragraph style with no problem. But setting up 
a new one with the above attributes and getting it defined for entire 
page/story is eluding me for some reason. It's driving me nuts to the 
point that keep a couple blank formatted pages around as above and just 
copy them to new stories.



Is there a list of common mistakes I can look at to try figuring out I'm 
dong wrong?



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles etc.

[LO User]

On 27/06/2022 01:15, Chris J. wrote:
> HI.
> 
> 
> Thank you, I'm beginning to figure out Master Documents. Still a few
> issues but we'll get to them or solve them no doubt with the least
> convenient method.
> 
> 
> Book editors and publishers have submission formats they will accept.
> They want a certain type face, size, margins and top and bottom space.
> The idea use to be to get words count or ranges of same etc. This was
> before word processors. They still want it that way.
> 
> 
> I RTFMed and created a page style. There's no option to save page
> styles, the closest is OK. But, when I looked at the list I got from the
> bottom middle page stye menu there it was.
> 
> 
> When I exited Writer and got back in however, my page styles was gone.
> Is there no way to save these things or must delve into the mysteries of
> the Template? Thank you.

You don't "Save" individual styles, you create a document with the
styles (Pages, Paragraphs, Characters, etc.) you require and save that
document as a template. There is no big mystery or difficulty with
creating, editing or using templates, just follow the information given
in the Writer Guide.

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[libreoffice-users] Styles etc.

[Chris J.]

HI.


Thank you, I'm beginning to figure out Master Documents. Still a few 
issues but we'll get to them or solve them no doubt with the least 
convenient method.



Book editors and publishers have submission formats they will accept. 
They want a certain type face, size, margins and top and bottom space. 
The idea use to be to get words count or ranges of same etc. This was 
before word processors. They still want it that way.



I RTFMed and created a page style. There's no option to save page 
styles, the closest is OK. But, when I looked at the list I got from the 
bottom middle page stye menu there it was.



When I exited Writer and got back in however, my page styles was gone. 
Is there no way to save these things or must delve into the mysteries of 
the Template? Thank you.



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[libreoffice-users] Styles sometimes changed

[Johnny Rosenberg]

This problem seems to be specific for a certain spreadsheet document of
mine. I once had those problems with the same file in Apache OpenOffice,
but I managed to fix it, but since I switched back to LibreOffice the
problems came back.

I have three styles that I apply by conditional formatting. All three of
them origin from the default style, called ”Standard” in Swedish
translation.

They differ from the ”Standard” style by background colour and numerical
formatting. One is green, one is red and and the third is white, just like
”Standard”.

The numerical format is the same for all three of these styles:
# ##0,00 [$kr-41D]

The conditions are simple:
For B5:M5000, empty cell → white background, higher value than the cell
above → green background, lower value than the cell above → red background,
same value as above → white background.

The colours always work as expected, but some times when the file is
loaded, the currency is gone for all three styles.

I put it back and all is fine. Next time I load the file everything could
be OK, or the currencies could be gone again. You never know…

Before applying conditional formatting, all those cells were selected and
cleared from styles using Format  →  Erase direct formatting (or possibly
Delete direct formatting, I run LibreOffice in Swedish).

Anyway, I'm not sure where to even begin to debug this file. Any ideas?

I know that I could pre-format all the cells as currency, as that's common
for all of the styles, and that's probably what I'm going to do if nothing
else works, but this should still work, shouldn't it?


Kind regards

Johnny Rosenberg

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles not working

[eile1]

I tried that, and loaded the odt file into LO, but the styles still do not work.

I can see that they are “there” (in the list of styles).

Thanks for the suggestion.

LO isn’t much use to me if none of the styles that I carefully developed in my 
Word template over the past 10 years will work in LO.




V Stuart Foote  wrote:

> Do styles that were in a Word doc not work in LO?
> 

LibreOffice has to import and interpret the OOXML file using filters--some
of the filters are not 100%.

So, the other option is to save from Office 2011 Word as ODF formatted .ODT
document--let Microsoft meet the ODF standard (I think MSO 2011 for Mac is
only mostly  ODF 1.1 compliant--not ODF 1.2)

Anyhow, open that first in Word  to get a baseline for what "styles"
survived the conversion, and then import the .ODT into LibreOffice.  Compare
the result and let us know if you get better handling of the styles that go
missing on import of OOXML.  Ultimately,  most issues are going to be on the
Microsoft side, although our LibreOffice filter devs play whack-a-mole with
the Microsoft generated documents.

Of course well documented and reproducible with test case examples of
failure of the import filters are always appropriate for submission via our
Bugzilla instance.

Stuart





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles not working

[Steve Edmonds]

For me on LO 4.3.7 I have literally hundreds of styles that have come 
across from word docs and are working.
When you say not working, do you mean the style is in the list but you 
can't apply it or the style is applied but doesn't look like it did in 
the word document.
Can you share a document with the styles you are talking about and 
possibly a screen snip.
You will need to reply to all to send attachments to me (the list strips 
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or drop box or similar to post attachments for download.


On 2015-12-10 03:31, eile1 wrote:

I tried that, and loaded the odt file into LO, but the styles still do not work.

I can see that they are “there” (in the list of styles).

Thanks for the suggestion.

LO isn’t much use to me if none of the styles that I carefully developed in my 
Word template over the past 10 years will work in LO.




V Stuart Foote  wrote:


Do styles that were in a Word doc not work in LO?


LibreOffice has to import and interpret the OOXML file using filters--some
of the filters are not 100%.

So, the other option is to save from Office 2011 Word as ODF formatted .ODT
document--let Microsoft meet the ODF standard (I think MSO 2011 for Mac is
only mostly  ODF 1.1 compliant--not ODF 1.2)

Anyhow, open that first in Word  to get a baseline for what "styles"
survived the conversion, and then import the .ODT into LibreOffice.  Compare
the result and let us know if you get better handling of the styles that go
missing on import of OOXML.  Ultimately,  most issues are going to be on the
Microsoft side, although our LibreOffice filter devs play whack-a-mole with
the Microsoft generated documents.

Of course well documented and reproducible with test case examples of
failure of the import filters are always appropriate for submission via our
Bugzilla instance.

Stuart





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[libreoffice-users] Styles not working

[Paul Carr]

I have a Word document (2011 Office for Mac) that I have opened in LO and saved 
to the LO format (.ott).
 
However, the styles that were in the Word document now don't seem to actually 
work in the LO document in LO writer. 
 
If you select text or have the cursor in a paragraph, and then click a 
different style in the style browser, nothing happens.
 
Do styles that were in a Word doc not work in LO?
 
Thanks.
 
Mac
LO: Latest for Mac
OS: El Capitan
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Re: [libreoffice-users] styles and formatting

[Brian Barker]

At 19:39 15/04/2015 +0900, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote:
The other day I bought a new computer running Windows 8.1 and 
installed LibreOffice 4.4.2.2. I BELIEVE it did work as usual. Today 
I started a new job/document and wanted to apply my custom style. 
However, the style and formatting menu DOES NOT appear any more.


See the release notes for version 4.4, 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.4#Sidebar_changes :
'Also, the Sidebar now combines the functionalities of the old 
Gallery and Styles  Formatting floating panels, removing a lot 
of UI redundancy.'


Click on the Styles and Formatting button in the sidebar (at the 
right of the window) or on the menu button at the top of the sidebar 
menu and select Styles and Formatting.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] styles and formatting

[Thomas Blasejewicz]

On 2015/04/15 23:14, Brian Barker wrote:

At 19:39 15/04/2015 +0900, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote:
The other day I bought a new computer running Windows 8.1 and 
installed LibreOffice 4.4.2.2. I BELIEVE it did work as usual. Today 
I started a new job/document and wanted to apply my custom style. 
However, the style and formatting menu DOES NOT appear any more.


See the release notes for version 4.4, 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.4#Sidebar_changes :
'Also, the Sidebar now combines the functionalities of the old 
Gallery and Styles  Formatting floating panels, removing a lot of 
UI redundancy.'


Click on the Styles and Formatting button in the sidebar (at the right 
of the window) or on the menu button at the top of the sidebar menu 
and select Styles and Formatting.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker



Thank you.
After playing around with it a bit I found, that if you undock that thing,
F11 will display the menu again.

Quite a difficult birth.
Thomas

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[libreoffice-users] styles and formatting

[Thomas Blasejewicz]

Good evening
The other day I bought a new computer running Windows 8.1 and installed
LibreOffice 4.4.2.2
I BELIEVE it did work as usual.
Today I started a new job/document and wanted to apply my custom style.

However, the style and formatting menu DOES NOT appear any more.
Neither F11, clicking on Format  style and formatting nor clicking
the little icon at the left top of the page works.
(customize - reset F11 did not help either)

What has happened here and is there a way to get the menu back?
Thank you.
Thomas




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Fwd: Fwd: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Styles and Formatting Not Working

[Taang Zomi]

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Taang Zomi wrote
*Thank you very much for the info.*

*I uninstalled LibreOffice 4.3.6.2  and installed 4.4.0.3. Then I installed
4.4.1.2.*

*I found the Styles and Formatting on the left side of the Toolbar.  But
when I clicked the Styles and Formatting, nothing happened.*

*When I clicked F11 on the keyboard, nothing happened.*

*So, I was unable to use Styles and Formatting as I did before.*

*So, how can I use it as before?*

*If I cannot use it as before, is it the case of newer things are not
necessarily better?*

*If I cannot use it as before, I should uninstall 4.4.1.2 and go back to
4.3.6.2.*

*Taang Zomi*

With any module opened--Writer for example-- from the Main menu,  check
enable the  View -- Sidebar feature.

Default docked position will be on the left side of frame.

The Styles and Formatting Content panel is the second Tab button under
Properties.

The Sidebar can be undocked from the right side and float. Or it can be
docked left side.

If you are not seeing the Styles and Formatting content panel in the
Sidebar that would be a real problem suggesting configuration errors
needing a clean user profile, and maybe another round of installation.

So, make sure the Sidebar feature is checked active.  Also, that it is not
collapsed onto the right margin (unchecking and checking from the View menu
should open it).

Post back if having done that you do not see the Sidebar with the Styles
and Properties panel.

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*Thank you very much for your reply.*
*I  had intended to revert to 4.3.6.2 today, but after reading your post, *

*I launched my 4.4.1.2, and enabled Sidebar in View.  I was able to see the
Styles and Formatting on the right side. I made it float. The main problem
was solved.*


*A minor problem: When I clicked F11 on my keyboard, the Styles and
Formatting still did not appear.*


*Thank you very much for your help.*


*Taang Zomi*

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Re: Fwd: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Styles and Formatting Not Working

[V Stuart Foote]

Sorry, bit of a typo there regards default position of Sidebar...

s/docked position will be on the left side /docked position will be on the
right side/





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Fwd: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Styles and Formatting Not Working

[Taang Zomi]

*Thank you very much for the info.*



*I uninstalled LibreOffice 4.3.6.2  and installed 4.4.0.3. Then I installed
4.4.1.2.*


*I found the Styles and Formatting on the left side of the Toolbar.  But
when I clicked the Styles and Formatting, nothing happened.*


*When I clicked F11 on the keyboard, nothing happened.*


*So, I was unable to use Styles and Formatting as I did before.*


*So, how can I use it as before?*


*If I cannot use it as before, is it the case of newer things are not
necessarily better?*


*If I cannot use it as before, I should uninstall 4.4.1.2 and go back to
4.3.6.2.*

*Taang Zomi*


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No bug, the Styles and Formatting dialog window was removed for the 4.4
release.

It is now only present as a Content panel in the Sidebar Deck.  The F11 key,
or Styles  Formatting button, will open the content panel in the Sidebar.

Sidebar opens by default to the Properties panel, but should toggle to the
Styles and Formatting panel when accelerator or the toolbar button is used.






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Re: Fwd: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Styles and Formatting Not Working

[V Stuart Foote]

Taang Zomi wrote
 *Thank you very much for the info.*
 
 *I uninstalled LibreOffice 4.3.6.2  and installed 4.4.0.3. Then I
 installed
 4.4.1.2.*
 
 *I found the Styles and Formatting on the left side of the Toolbar.  But
 when I clicked the Styles and Formatting, nothing happened.*
 
 *When I clicked F11 on the keyboard, nothing happened.*
 
 *So, I was unable to use Styles and Formatting as I did before.*
 
 *So, how can I use it as before?*
 
 *If I cannot use it as before, is it the case of newer things are not
 necessarily better?*
 
 *If I cannot use it as before, I should uninstall 4.4.1.2 and go back to
 4.3.6.2.*
 
 *Taang Zomi*

With any module opened--Writer for example-- from the Main menu,  check
enable the  View -- Sidebar feature.

Default docked position will be on the left side of frame.

The Styles and Formatting Content panel is the second Tab button under
Properties.

The Sidebar can be undocked from the right side and float. Or it can be
docked left side.

If you are not seeing the Styles and Formatting content panel in the Sidebar
that would be a real problem suggesting configuration errors needing a clean
user profile, and maybe another round of installation.

So, make sure the Sidebar feature is checked active.  Also, that it is not
collapsed onto the right margin (unchecking and checking from the View menu
should open it).

Post back if having done that you do not see the Sidebar with the Styles and
Properties panel.



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Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Styles and Formatting Not Working

[V Stuart Foote]

No bug, the Styles and Formatting dialog window was removed for the 4.4
release. 

It is now only present as a Content panel in the Sidebar Deck.  The F11 key,
or Styles  Formatting button, will open the content panel in the Sidebar.

Sidebar opens by default to the Properties panel, but should toggle to the
Styles and Formatting panel when accelerator or the toolbar button is used.


 



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles and Formatting Not Working

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Wow!!!  Nicely done!

Is there any chance you can go even further and post a bug-report? Someone
else might be able to do it for you but it sounds like you now have tons of
experience with the issue and might be able to answer any of the devs or QA
Team's questions quite quickly without even spending too much time on
them.

Many, many thanks and regards from
Tom :)



On 6 March 2015 at 00:55, Taang Zomi libreofficez...@gmail.com wrote:


 As I have written in my first question, I use Windows 8.1.

 Complying with Tom's advice, I uninstalled LibreOffice 4.3.5.2, and I got
 back Styes and Formatting.

 In order to be sure, I uninstalled  4.3.5.2 and installed 4.3.6.2. The
 Styles and Formatting remained with 4.3.6.2.

 I uninstalled 4.3.6.2 and installed 4.4.0.3. Then I lost the Styles and
 Formatting. I uninstalled 4.4.0.3 and installed the lastest version,
 4.4.1.2. The Styles and Formatting remained lost.

 Then, I uninstalled 4.4.1.2 and installed 4.4.0.3. The Styles and
 Formatting was not there.

 Finally, I uninstalled 4.4.0.3, and installed 4.3.6.2. I got back the
 Styles and Formatting.

 So I will stick with 4.3.6.2.

 There seems to be a problem with 4.4.0.3 and 4.4.1.2.

 Thank you -- Brian, Tom, and Tony -- for your help.

 Taang Zomi

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 At 20:27 21/02/2015 -0500, Taang Zomi wrote:

 Yes, the Styles and Formatting window does not appear.


 Right. You've still not answered most of the questions - including what
 operating system you are using. But you appears to be using Windows. So
 what happened, please, when you tried the various ideas suggested to
 retrieve the window?


 Brian Barker

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Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Styles and Formatting Not Working

[Taang Zomi]

As I have written in my first question, I use Windows 8.1.

Complying with Tom's advice, I uninstalled LibreOffice 4.3.5.2, and I got
back Styes and Formatting.

In order to be sure, I uninstalled  4.3.5.2 and installed 4.3.6.2. The
Styles and Formatting remained with 4.3.6.2.

I uninstalled 4.3.6.2 and installed 4.4.0.3. Then I lost the Styles and
Formatting. I uninstalled 4.4.0.3 and installed the lastest version,
4.4.1.2. The Styles and Formatting remained lost.

Then, I uninstalled 4.4.1.2 and installed 4.4.0.3. The Styles and
Formatting was not there.

Finally, I uninstalled 4.4.0.3, and installed 4.3.6.2. I got back the
Styles and Formatting.

So I will stick with 4.3.6.2.

There seems to be a problem with 4.4.0.3 and 4.4.1.2.

Thank you -- Brian, Tom, and Tony -- for your help.

Taang Zomi

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At 20:27 21/02/2015 -0500, Taang Zomi wrote:

 Yes, the Styles and Formatting window does not appear.


Right. You've still not answered most of the questions - including what
operating system you are using. But you appears to be using Windows. So
what happened, please, when you tried the various ideas suggested to
retrieve the window?


Brian Barker

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles and Formatting Not Working

[Taang Zomi]

Yes, the Styles and Formatting window does not appear.

On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 12:10 AM, Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com
wrote:

 At 20:29 20/02/2015 -0500, Taang Zomi wrote:

 The Styles and Formatting (F11) under Format did not work.


 Er, do you mean that the Styles and Formatting window does not appear? Or
 does it appear but then not function in some sense? Can you successfully
 select the type of style using the buttons at the top of the Styles and
 Formatting window?

 o What happens if you go to Format | Styles and Formatting?
 o Or press F11?
 o Or click the Styles and Formatting button in the Formatting toolbar?
 o Or press Alt+O, Y?
 o Or click the Styles and Formatting button in the LibreOffice sidebar?

 Have you restarted LibreOffice?

 Have you restarted your computer?

 Have you merely lost the window off the screen? Are you using Windows?
 o When you press F11 (or whatever), does the LibreOffice title bar become
 dimmed - indicating that another window (the one you have lost) has taken
 focus?
 o With the main title bar still dimmed, press Alt+Space and then M.
 o Press any of the keyboard arrow keys once.
 o Now move the mouse until the outline of the missing window is somewhere
 central.
 o Click the mouse.

 At 20:35 20/02/2015 -0500, Taang Zomi wrote:

 I will install the former version.


 Isn't it a bit unlikely to be a bug in the later version? Wouldn't
 millions of users then be asking the same question?

 I trust this helps.

 Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles and Formatting Not Working

[Brian Barker]

At 20:27 21/02/2015 -0500, Taang Zomi wrote:

Yes, the Styles and Formatting window does not appear.


Right. You've still not answered most of the questions - including 
what operating system you are using. But you appears to be using 
Windows. So what happened, please, when you tried the various ideas 
suggested to retrieve the window?


Brian Barker 



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles and Formatting Not Working

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
If the document's title-bar is dimming, indicating that the styles
menu-pop-up is off-screen then trying to either;
* set the screen display to a much higher resolution temporarily so that
you can drag the errant pop-up back into the normally visible area - or -
* rename your User Profile to get back to factory defaults
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile

I'm not sure how to force an off-screen window or pop-up to come back onto
the screen tbh.  Those are just things that i would try.
Regard from
Tom :)




On 21 February 2015 at 05:10, Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com
wrote:

 At 20:29 20/02/2015 -0500, Taang Zomi wrote:

 The Styles and Formatting (F11) under Format did not work.


 Er, do you mean that the Styles and Formatting window does not appear? Or
 does it appear but then not function in some sense? Can you successfully
 select the type of style using the buttons at the top of the Styles and
 Formatting window?

 o What happens if you go to Format | Styles and Formatting?
 o Or press F11?
 o Or click the Styles and Formatting button in the Formatting toolbar?
 o Or press Alt+O, Y?
 o Or click the Styles and Formatting button in the LibreOffice sidebar?

 Have you restarted LibreOffice?

 Have you restarted your computer?

 Have you merely lost the window off the screen? Are you using Windows?
 o When you press F11 (or whatever), does the LibreOffice title bar become
 dimmed - indicating that another window (the one you have lost) has taken
 focus?
 o With the main title bar still dimmed, press Alt+Space and then M.
 o Press any of the keyboard arrow keys once.
 o Now move the mouse until the outline of the missing window is somewhere
 central.
 o Click the mouse.

 At 20:35 20/02/2015 -0500, Taang Zomi wrote:

 I will install the former version.


 Isn't it a bit unlikely to be a bug in the later version? Wouldn't
 millions of users then be asking the same question?

 I trust this helps.

 Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles and Formatting Not Working

[Brian Barker]

At 20:29 20/02/2015 -0500, Taang Zomi wrote:

The Styles and Formatting (F11) under Format did not work.


Er, do you mean that the Styles and Formatting window does not 
appear? Or does it appear but then not function in some sense? Can 
you successfully select the type of style using the buttons at the 
top of the Styles and Formatting window?


o What happens if you go to Format | Styles and Formatting?
o Or press F11?
o Or click the Styles and Formatting button in the Formatting toolbar?
o Or press Alt+O, Y?
o Or click the Styles and Formatting button in the LibreOffice sidebar?

Have you restarted LibreOffice?

Have you restarted your computer?

Have you merely lost the window off the screen? Are you using Windows?
o When you press F11 (or whatever), does the LibreOffice title bar 
become dimmed - indicating that another window (the one you have 
lost) has taken focus?

o With the main title bar still dimmed, press Alt+Space and then M.
o Press any of the keyboard arrow keys once.
o Now move the mouse until the outline of the missing window is 
somewhere central.

o Click the mouse.

At 20:35 20/02/2015 -0500, Taang Zomi wrote:

I will install the former version.


Isn't it a bit unlikely to be a bug in the later version? Wouldn't 
millions of users then be asking the same question?


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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[libreoffice-users] Styles and Formatting Not Working

[Taang Zomi]

Many, many years ago, I read somewhere that when a misfortune
comes, it does not come alone; it is accompanied by its companions or
to that effect.

Today, I had another problem. It could be called the  #4 problem.

The Styles and Formatting (F11) under Format did not work. As I am writing
a book, and the deadline for submission of the manuscript is the end of
February, you can imagine how much I am frustrated.

I used LibreOffice 4.3.5.2;  Since February 19, 2015,  I have  used
LibreOffce 4.4.0.3.

Taang Zomi

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Re: [libreoffice-users] styles in text boxes

[Mike Scott]

On 13/01/15 16:17, Wiebe van der Worp wrote:

On 13-01-15 11:54, Mike Scott wrote:

Why are text styles not available to use within text boxes?

...

However, I'd like to use styles to ensure consistency, and this appears
simply impossible - only one style, the box style, is available (in
Draw, but not Writer!) and that affects all text(*) within the given
box.


You are right and it is a bit surprising. Talking about Writer, Insert 
Frame does support styles properly, i.e. both paragraph and frame
styles. That seems to me a great alternative for Writer.


I've just had a look, and I'm really not clear about the distinction 
between a text box and a frame in Writer (and dare I ask why Draw 
doesn't offer a 'frame'?). It looks as though, although the proffered 
controls differ, both are implemented the same way - a simple example 
shows each is a text box contained within a frame - this example has 
some text, a text box, and a frame with some text typed into it:


office:text

text:sequence-decls/text:sequence-decls

draw:frame draw:style-name=fr1 draw:name=Frame1 
text:anchor-type=page text:anchor-page-number=1 svg:x=2.327cm 
svg:y=7.456cm svg:width=7.001cm draw:z-index=1


draw:text-box fo:min-height=0.499cm

text:p text:style-name=P2Here is a frame/text:p

/draw:text-box
/draw:frame

draw:frame text:anchor-type=page text:anchor-page-number=1 
draw:z-index=0 draw:style-name=gr1 svg:width=10.011cm 
svg:height=1.146cm svg:x=2.187cm svg:y=4.175cm


draw:text-box

text:pHere is a text box/text:p

/draw:text-box
/draw:frame

text:p text:style-name=P1Here is some text/text:p

text:p text:style-name=P1/
/office:text


From what I remember, Draw used the same xml construct.

But why then the distinction between a frame and a text box (the 
latter term clearly/not/corresponding to the internal entity of the same 
name)?




About text boxes: it looks a bit QD, clearing formatting leaves text as
Times New Roman - a font I banned many years ago and isn't even on my
system.





A more general question: why are there two distinct components, Writer 
and Draw? I know historically that text processing and graphics were 
distinct, but I've felt for a long time that these two are converging - 
Writer offers a poor-man's graphic facility, and Draw a poor 
text-processing facility. Ought the two not merge and give all the 
features of each package in one program?



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[libreoffice-users] styles in text boxes

[Mike Scott]

I mentioned irritations in another post, so thought maybe I'll give 
one explicitly, as I've bumped into it (afresh) this week.


Why are text styles not available to use within text boxes?

I have a small project (I'm using Draw, but the problem also exists in 
Writer and presumably the other components) that involves documents with 
a number of text boxes with formatted text within. There's no problem 
manually making chunks of text within each box bold/italic/large/wierd 
font/whatever.


However, I'd like to use styles to ensure consistency, and this appears 
simply impossible - only one style, the box style, is available (in 
Draw, but not Writer!) and that affects all text(*) within the given 
box. In Draw, the stylist simply doesn't offer paragraph or character 
styles; in Writer, they're greyed out when inside a text box.


The maddening thing is that styles (automatically generated) are clearly 
used internally to handle the [manual] formatting -- AFAICS it's just 
the interface that doesn't offer the knobs and twiddlies needed.


Thoughts?




(*) other than text to which the user has applied manual character 
formatting.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] styles in text boxes

[Wiebe van der Worp]

On 13-01-15 11:54, Mike Scott wrote:

Why are text styles not available to use within text boxes?

...

However, I'd like to use styles to ensure consistency, and this appears
simply impossible - only one style, the box style, is available (in
Draw, but not Writer!) and that affects all text(*) within the given
box.


You are right and it is a bit surprising. Talking about Writer, Insert  
Frame does support styles properly, i.e. both paragraph and frame 
styles. That seems to me a great alternative for Writer.


About text boxes: it looks a bit QD, clearing formatting leaves text as 
Times New Roman - a font I banned many years ago and isn't even on my 
system.



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[libreoffice-users] Styles mess

[Johnny Rosenberg]

This thing happens in both Apache OpenOffice Calc and LibreOffice Calc
which makes me thing I did something wrong, but after almost a year of
debugging and trying some different approaches, I still have no idea what
is going on.

I have a few styles that I made, but one of them keeps messing around.
There are three cell that use this style, but only if the value is
negative. When the value is positive, the numbers are supposed to be
displayed in some custom red colour and when it's negative the colour is
supposed to be some custom green (indicating that I am below budget, which
in this case is good, hence green…).

I use one style for each of these conditions, since I don't, and don't want
to, use the standard [RED] and [GREEN] colours. The ”below zero” style is
called ”UnderTot” and the ”Above zero” one is called ”ÖverTot”. The one
that is messing with me is ”UnderTot”. I use conditional formatting for
this.

Here are the number formats:
ÖverTot: +# ##0,00 [$kr-41D]
Example: +2 345,67 kr
Colour: Custom red.

UnderTot: # ##0,00 [$kr-41D]
Example: -2 345,67 kr
Colour: Custom green.

Steps:
Make sure at least one of the three cells has a negative value.
Save the file.
Close the file.
Open the file.
If it still looks right, enter a new value in one of the three cells.
Now the cell format of the ”UnderTot” style changed. Last time I tested,
the format code was changed to ”Standard”, but different things happens
different times.
All the other styles works perfectly.
The ”UnderTot” style is linked to a stylle called ”Under”, but ”Under”
works perfectly.

It's not just the format of the cells that are changed, I verified that the
style actually changed itself.

I just want some ideas what could have been wrong. I am sure I did
something wrong but I lack more ideas what to look for, so any kind of idea
is welcome.
Thanks in advance!

If someone wants the file for testing, let me know. I guess I can't attach
it to this message anyway, so I won't even try that.


Kind regards

Johnny Rosenberg
ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles mess

[Thomas Taylor]

On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:02:44 +0100
Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com wrote:

 This thing happens in both Apache OpenOffice Calc and LibreOffice Calc
 which makes me thing I did something wrong, but after almost a year of
 debugging and trying some different approaches, I still have no idea what
 is going on.
 
 I have a few styles that I made, but one of them keeps messing around.
 There are three cell that use this style, but only if the value is
 negative. When the value is positive, the numbers are supposed to be
 displayed in some custom red colour and when it's negative the colour is
 supposed to be some custom green (indicating that I am below budget, which
 in this case is good, hence green…).
 
 I use one style for each of these conditions, since I don't, and don't want
 to, use the standard [RED] and [GREEN] colours. The ”below zero” style is
 called ”UnderTot” and the ”Above zero” one is called ”ÖverTot”. The one
 that is messing with me is ”UnderTot”. I use conditional formatting for
 this.
 
 Here are the number formats:
 ÖverTot: +# ##0,00 [$kr-41D]
 Example: +2 345,67 kr
 Colour: Custom red.
 
 UnderTot: # ##0,00 [$kr-41D]
 Example: -2 345,67 kr
 Colour: Custom green.
 
 Steps:
 Make sure at least one of the three cells has a negative value.
 Save the file.
 Close the file.
 Open the file.
 If it still looks right, enter a new value in one of the three cells.
 Now the cell format of the ”UnderTot” style changed. Last time I tested,
 the format code was changed to ”Standard”, but different things happens
 different times.
 All the other styles works perfectly.
 The ”UnderTot” style is linked to a stylle called ”Under”, but ”Under”
 works perfectly.
 
 It's not just the format of the cells that are changed, I verified that the
 style actually changed itself.
 
 I just want some ideas what could have been wrong. I am sure I did
 something wrong but I lack more ideas what to look for, so any kind of idea
 is welcome.
 Thanks in advance!
 
 If someone wants the file for testing, let me know. I guess I can't attach
 it to this message anyway, so I won't even try that.
 
 
 Kind regards
 
 Johnny Rosenberg
 ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ
 

I rarely use styles in calc so this response may be invalid for you.

I notice there is no - for UnderTot as you showed.  Is this intentional?

 Here are the number formats:
 ÖverTot: +# ##0,00 [$kr-41D]
 Example: +2 345,67 kr
 Colour: Custom red.
 
 UnderTot: # ##0,00 [$kr-41D]  no - 
 Example: -2 345,67 kr
 Colour: Custom green.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Yeh, i wondered the same but it is a different issue.  As Joel pointed out
you can see the Bold button on the icon-bar is not de-pressed in when the
cursor is in the middle of the heading 3 text.
Regards from
Tom :)


On 10 September 2014 23:41, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote:


 On 09/10/2014 03:06 PM, jomali wrote:
  I downloaded the file and examined the parameters of the Level 3 style
  in the document and found that, under Font Effects, Gray is checked.
  Could this be the source of the difficulty?
 No because the issue is that it's inconsistent, not that it's
 consistently not bolding. Also the same problem happens with other
 heading styles -- just used #3 as an example.

 Best,
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Joel Madero]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2kdRhc960qdMlFhVzAtTllETEU/edit?usp=sharing

There is one example file. Go to the very end, push enter a couple
times, and then set the style to Heading 3. If you look at the actual
style it's supposed to be bolded but it retains non bold from the
previous line when you start typing.



Best,
Joel

On 09/09/2014 01:21 PM, Kevin O'Brien wrote:
 Well, styles are over-ridden by manual formatting, for one. So if a
 Style specifies a bold font, but you click a button to turn it off, it
 should go off.

 Regards,



 On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com
 mailto:jmadero@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi All,

 Quick question. Are styles supposed to retain properties like
 bold. I
 am consistently getting mixed results using styles. I can provide an
 example if need be.


 Best,
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
It is bold but Header 3 makes things grey in the Font Effects tab so it
just doesn't look as bold as usual.
Regards from
Tom :)

On 10 September 2014 16:01, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote:


 https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2kdRhc960qdMlFhVzAtTllETEU/edit?usp=sharing

 There is one example file. Go to the very end, push enter a couple
 times, and then set the style to Heading 3. If you look at the actual
 style it's supposed to be bolded but it retains non bold from the
 previous line when you start typing.



 Best,
 Joel

 On 09/09/2014 01:21 PM, Kevin O'Brien wrote:
  Well, styles are over-ridden by manual formatting, for one. So if a
  Style specifies a bold font, but you click a button to turn it off, it
  should go off.
 
  Regards,
 
 
 
  On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com
  mailto:jmadero@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi All,
 
  Quick question. Are styles supposed to retain properties like
  bold. I
  am consistently getting mixed results using styles. I can provide an
  example if need be.
 
 
  Best,
  Joel
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Joel Madero]

LOL come on Tom - you know me better than that. It's not bolded for me -
I look at the bold icon and it is not pressed. Then when I push ctrl  +
b the font changes to the bold like all the other heading 3'syou
should know that I wouldn't make such a mistake. If you really want
proof I can upload another one with the line not bolded ;)


Best,
Joel


On 09/10/2014 08:08 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :) 
 It is bold but Header 3 makes things grey in the Font Effects tab
 so it just doesn't look as bold as usual. 
 Regards from
 Tom :) 

 On 10 September 2014 16:01, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com
 mailto:jmadero@gmail.com wrote:

 
 https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2kdRhc960qdMlFhVzAtTllETEU/edit?usp=sharing

 There is one example file. Go to the very end, push enter a couple
 times, and then set the style to Heading 3. If you look at the actual
 style it's supposed to be bolded but it retains non bold from the
 previous line when you start typing.



 Best,
 Joel

 On 09/09/2014 01:21 PM, Kevin O'Brien wrote:
  Well, styles are over-ridden by manual formatting, for one. So if a
  Style specifies a bold font, but you click a button to turn it
 off, it
  should go off.
 
  Regards,
 
 
 
  On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Joel Madero
 jmadero@gmail.com mailto:jmadero@gmail.com
  mailto:jmadero@gmail.com mailto:jmadero@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Hi All,
 
  Quick question. Are styles supposed to retain properties like
  bold. I
  am consistently getting mixed results using styles. I can
 provide an
  example if need be.
 
 
  Best,
  Joel
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Sophie]

Hi Joel,
Le 10/09/2014 17:01, Joel Madero a écrit :
 https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2kdRhc960qdMlFhVzAtTllETEU/edit?usp=sharing
 
 There is one example file. Go to the very end, push enter a couple
 times, and then set the style to Heading 3. If you look at the actual
 style it's supposed to be bolded but it retains non bold from the
 previous line when you start typing.

It's strange because if you insert a Title3 before the last paragraph,
it's bold. It's only if you add it at the very end that it's corrupted.
You found a bug I guess ;)
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles Don't Retain Bold?

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On 09/10/2014 08:21 AM, Sophie wrote:
 Hi Joel,
 Le 10/09/2014 17:01, Joel Madero a écrit :
 https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2kdRhc960qdMlFhVzAtTllETEU/edit?usp=sharing

 There is one example file. Go to the very end, push enter a couple
 times, and then set the style to Heading 3. If you look at the actual
 style it's supposed to be bolded but it retains non bold from the
 previous line when you start typing.
 It's strange because if you insert a Title3 before the last paragraph,
 it's bold. It's only if you add it at the very end that it's corrupted.
 You found a bug I guess ;)
\O/ Sweet! One point for me :-D That being said, it's actually not just
the end - that's just one of the obvious ways to trigger the issue. I'd
have to play around with the document to find another consistent place
where it happens. I shall report the bug, quite minor I suppose since
you can always just select and bold the text - just styles should be
consistent all the time (as this is their entire point). Thanks Sophie
for confirmation that I'm not going crazy.


Best,
Joel

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Just confirmed on LO 4.2.6 on Ubuntu.

Of course Joel was right!  The B button wasn't pushed in but in the styles
settings it was marked.  I looked in the obscure only, not in the obvious.
I've also only just noticed several style changes in the UI that look
rather nice.  Several icons look much prettier and/or clearer now.  The
Bold button has a nice lighting effect.

Nice work and good changes! :)))
Regards from
Tom :)


On 10 September 2014 16:29, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote:


 On 09/10/2014 08:21 AM, Sophie wrote:
  Hi Joel,
  Le 10/09/2014 17:01, Joel Madero a écrit :
 
 https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2kdRhc960qdMlFhVzAtTllETEU/edit?usp=sharing
 
  There is one example file. Go to the very end, push enter a couple
  times, and then set the style to Heading 3. If you look at the actual
  style it's supposed to be bolded but it retains non bold from the
  previous line when you start typing.
  It's strange because if you insert a Title3 before the last paragraph,
  it's bold. It's only if you add it at the very end that it's corrupted.
  You found a bug I guess ;)
 \O/ Sweet! One point for me :-D That being said, it's actually not just
 the end - that's just one of the obvious ways to trigger the issue. I'd
 have to play around with the document to find another consistent place
 where it happens. I shall report the bug, quite minor I suppose since
 you can always just select and bold the text - just styles should be
 consistent all the time (as this is their entire point). Thanks Sophie
 for confirmation that I'm not going crazy.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Dave Barton]

Joel Madero wrote:
 
 On 09/10/2014 08:21 AM, Sophie wrote:
 Hi Joel,
 Le 10/09/2014 17:01, Joel Madero a écrit :
 https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2kdRhc960qdMlFhVzAtTllETEU/edit?usp=sharing

 There is one example file. Go to the very end, push enter a couple
 times, and then set the style to Heading 3. If you look at the actual
 style it's supposed to be bolded but it retains non bold from the
 previous line when you start typing.
 It's strange because if you insert a Title3 before the last paragraph,
 it's bold. It's only if you add it at the very end that it's corrupted.
 You found a bug I guess ;)
 \O/ Sweet! One point for me :-D That being said, it's actually not just
 the end - that's just one of the obvious ways to trigger the issue. I'd
 have to play around with the document to find another consistent place
 where it happens. I shall report the bug, quite minor I suppose since
 you can always just select and bold the text - just styles should be
 consistent all the time (as this is their entire point). Thanks Sophie
 for confirmation that I'm not going crazy.
 
 
 Best,
 Joel

Don't be in too much of a rush to post a bug Joel. Wherever I type on a
blank line in your example file and set Heading 3 (either before or
after typing) I get 14pt Bold Liberation Sans text in a User Defined
colour. Which in my assessment is the correct behaviour.

Setting existing manually formatted text to Heading 3 is an issue, if
the formatting is not completely cleared first.

Version: 4.3.1.2
Build ID: 958349dc3b25111dbca392fbc281a05559ef6848
Win 7 x64

If it would help I can test a few other versions and Linux later.

Best
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Joel Madero]

 Don't be in too much of a rush to post a bug Joel. Wherever I type on a
 blank line in your example file and set Heading 3 (either before or
 after typing) I get 14pt Bold Liberation Sans text in a User Defined
 colour. Which in my assessment is the correct behaviour.

 Setting existing manually formatted text to Heading 3 is an issue, if
 the formatting is not completely cleared first.
I have confirmation from 4 people that this is a bug so indeed going to
report a bug.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Steve Edmonds]

Stays bold in Version 3.6:build-304 so a regression.
steve
On 2014-09-11 03:01, Joel Madero wrote:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2kdRhc960qdMlFhVzAtTllETEU/edit?usp=sharing

There is one example file. Go to the very end, push enter a couple
times, and then set the style to Heading 3. If you look at the actual
style it's supposed to be bolded but it retains non bold from the
previous line when you start typing.



Best,
Joel

On 09/09/2014 01:21 PM, Kevin O'Brien wrote:

Well, styles are over-ridden by manual formatting, for one. So if a
Style specifies a bold font, but you click a button to turn it off, it
should go off.

Regards,



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mailto:jmadero@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi All,

 Quick question. Are styles supposed to retain properties like
 bold. I
 am consistently getting mixed results using styles. I can provide an
 example if need be.


 Best,
 Joel

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Joel Madero]

Hm - in bibisect package I can't confirm that, I went all the way back
to 3.5beta0 :-/ Can you add your findings to the bug?


Best,
Joel

On 09/10/2014 11:25 AM, Steve Edmonds wrote:
 Stays bold in Version 3.6:build-304 so a regression.
 steve
 On 2014-09-11 03:01, Joel Madero wrote:
 https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2kdRhc960qdMlFhVzAtTllETEU/edit?usp=sharing


 There is one example file. Go to the very end, push enter a couple
 times, and then set the style to Heading 3. If you look at the actual
 style it's supposed to be bolded but it retains non bold from the
 previous line when you start typing.



 Best,
 Joel

 On 09/09/2014 01:21 PM, Kevin O'Brien wrote:
 Well, styles are over-ridden by manual formatting, for one. So if a
 Style specifies a bold font, but you click a button to turn it off, it
 should go off.

 Regards,



 On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com
 mailto:jmadero@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi All,

  Quick question. Are styles supposed to retain properties like
  bold. I
  am consistently getting mixed results using styles. I can
 provide an
  example if need be.


  Best,
  Joel

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Calligra picked up on the styles correctly!
Regards from
Tom :)

On 10 September 2014 19:29, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote:

 Hm - in bibisect package I can't confirm that, I went all the way back
 to 3.5beta0 :-/ Can you add your findings to the bug?


 Best,
 Joel

 On 09/10/2014 11:25 AM, Steve Edmonds wrote:
  Stays bold in Version 3.6:build-304 so a regression.
  steve
  On 2014-09-11 03:01, Joel Madero wrote:
 
 https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2kdRhc960qdMlFhVzAtTllETEU/edit?usp=sharing
 
 
  There is one example file. Go to the very end, push enter a couple
  times, and then set the style to Heading 3. If you look at the actual
  style it's supposed to be bolded but it retains non bold from the
  previous line when you start typing.
 
 
 
  Best,
  Joel
 
  On 09/09/2014 01:21 PM, Kevin O'Brien wrote:
  Well, styles are over-ridden by manual formatting, for one. So if a
  Style specifies a bold font, but you click a button to turn it off, it
  should go off.
 
  Regards,
 
 
 
  On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com
  mailto:jmadero@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Hi All,
 
   Quick question. Are styles supposed to retain properties like
   bold. I
   am consistently getting mixed results using styles. I can
  provide an
   example if need be.
 
 
   Best,
   Joel
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Joel Madero]

On 09/10/2014 03:06 PM, jomali wrote:
 I downloaded the file and examined the parameters of the Level 3 style
 in the document and found that, under Font Effects, Gray is checked.
 Could this be the source of the difficulty?
No because the issue is that it's inconsistent, not that it's
consistently not bolding. Also the same problem happens with other
heading styles -- just used #3 as an example.

Best,
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[libreoffice-users] Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Joel Madero]

Hi All,

Quick question. Are styles supposed to retain properties like bold. I
am consistently getting mixed results using styles. I can provide an
example if need be.


Best,
Joel

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles Don't Retain Bold?

[Kevin O'Brien]

Well, styles are over-ridden by manual formatting, for one. So if a Style
specifies a bold font, but you click a button to turn it off, it should go
off.

Regards,



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 Hi All,

 Quick question. Are styles supposed to retain properties like bold. I
 am consistently getting mixed results using styles. I can provide an
 example if need be.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] styles for plays?

[Fred James]

Helen wrote:

I've volunteered to edit a one-time publication of a collection of plays.
The plays came to me
in different styles -- three of the plays came to me with all the
characters's speaking lines
  centered -- the characters's names centered a line above.

Some of the writers seem to have centered the names with a centering code
-- I can
highlight the name and use the left margin code to move the name to left
margin.  Others
seem to have centered by spacing over! (yes)  and I have to backspace until
I get the name
to the left margin.

None used a colon after the speaker, and the publisher wants it.  I've made
some progress with
Search  Replace --  Search for all incidents of TOM and replace with TOM
colon space. But the
most tedious part is moving TOM from center to left and bring his speaking
lines up to begin
on the same line.  Is there any way I can put these plays into a style
sheet and save this work, or
would creating  the style sheet take as long as what I'm doing?  I've never
used styles.  And this is a one-time
job so if I have to do it all by hand, at least it's only once.

Thanks for any advice,

Helen
Not sure this is helpful ... Things are so context dependent ... Let me 
preface my remarks with:
(1) send a sample file to me (off line, if you like) and I could take a 
look at it and see what I might be able to do?

(2) depends on the results of step 1

And so, on to what I have thought of so far ...

First I thought Macro (which I don't do anything with, so no help there)
Second I thought gawk ... and I played with that with some degree of 
success ...


Steps:
(1) save document as (plain) txt (no encoding)
(2) in a terminal window, apply this command to the *.txt file ...
awk '{gsub(/^[ \t]+|[ \t]+$/,)};1' filename.txt newfilename.txt
... this removes all leading (and trailing) white space, and everything 
is left justified.  It takes out spaces, tabs, and centering, and the 
result would look like this ...

Tom
said one
Tom
said two
Tom
said three
... and LibreOffice can open and edit the new *.txt file.

That doesn't get the speaker's line adjoined or insert the necessary : 
either, but depending upon context something might be made to do the job?


Regards
Fred James

PS: credit where credit is due: I found that little one-liner at 
http://www.pement.org/awk/awk1line.txt



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Re: [libreoffice-users] styles for plays?

[Brian Barker]

At 09:46 26/06/2013 -0400, Helen Etters wrote:
I've volunteered to edit a one-time publication of a collection of 
plays.  The plays came to me in different styles -- three of the 
plays came to me with all the characters's speaking lines centered 
-- the characters's names centered a line above.


Some of the writers seem to have centered the names with a centering 
code -- I can highlight the name and use the left margin code to 
move the name to left margin.  Others
seem to have centered by spacing over! (yes)  and I have to 
backspace until I get the name to the left margin.


None used a colon after the speaker, and the publisher wants 
it.  I've made some progress with Search  Replace --  Search for 
all incidents of TOM and replace with TOM
colon space. But the most tedious part is moving TOM from center to 
left and bring his speaking lines up to begin on the same line.  Is 
there any way I can put these plays into a style sheet and save this 
work, or would creating the style sheet take as long as what I'm 
doing?  I've never used styles.  And this is a one-time job so if I 
have to do it all by hand, at least it's only once.


In situations like this, it's very often easiest to lose all the 
existing formatting and insert your own from scratch - rather than 
trying to tinker with what you have.  That's very easy to do: just 
use Edit | Paste Special... (or right-click | Paste Special... or 
Ctrl+Shift+V) instead of ordinary Paste, selecting Unformatted text 
from the options in the Paste Special dialogue, when inserting your 
material.  Since you will already have done some work on the text, 
you can do this from where you currently are by selecting your entire 
document text, copying it, and pasting it Unformatted either back 
over the original or else into a new document.  (I'd suggest a new 
document, as you might well want to go back and look at how the 
original material *was* formatted, in fact.)


Then you need to learn a few tricks to tidy things up.

You don't need to backspace over a number of spaces.  Put the cursor 
at the start of the line (paragraph, in fact).  Press 
Ctrl+Shift+right arrow.  This will select the range of spaces.  Now 
press Delete to remove them.  You can also use Find  Replace to 
replace space-space with space.  Keep repeating that until there are 
no more double spaces and you will be close to what you need.  (It is 
seldom useful to have consecutive spaces in any word-processed 
document.)  Better still, use Find  Replace to replace ^ + (that's 
circumflex-space-plus sign) with nothing, having clicked More Options 
and ticked Regular expressions.  This will remove all spaces from 
the start of any paragraph (which is what your relevant lines will 
presumably be).


Perversely, there appears to be no easy way to merge TOM:  with the 
next paragraph (or if there is, I've managed to forget it): you might 
be left with doing this manually.


Yes, you can create styles to do some of this, but you would still 
have to apply the styles to the relevant parts of the text.  They 
would be more useful if, say, you wanted character names to be a 
different font, size, or style - or perhaps all of these - from the 
surrounding text.  Using a character style to set these would be a 
benefit in various ways: it would be quicker, it would be more 
reliable at ensuring all the text was treated in the same way, and it 
would enable you to change your selected settings later at a 
stroke.  And yes: you could import such styles into any new document 
in the future or put them in an appropriate template.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] styles for plays?

[Steve Edmonds]

On 2013-06-27 03:13, Fred James wrote:

Helen wrote:
I've volunteered to edit a one-time publication of a collection of 
plays.

The plays came to me
in different styles -- three of the plays came to me with all the
characters's speaking lines
  centered -- the characters's names centered a line above.

Some of the writers seem to have centered the names with a centering 
code

-- I can
highlight the name and use the left margin code to move the name to 
left

margin.  Others
seem to have centered by spacing over! (yes)  and I have to backspace 
until

I get the name
to the left margin.

None used a colon after the speaker, and the publisher wants it.  
I've made

some progress with
Search  Replace --  Search for all incidents of TOM and replace with 
TOM

colon space. But the
most tedious part is moving TOM from center to left and bring his 
speaking

lines up to begin
on the same line.  Is there any way I can put these plays into a style
sheet and save this work, or
would creating  the style sheet take as long as what I'm doing? I've 
never

used styles.  And this is a one-time
job so if I have to do it all by hand, at least it's only once.

Thanks for any advice,

Helen
Not sure this is helpful ... Things are so context dependent ... Let 
me preface my remarks with:
(1) send a sample file to me (off line, if you like) and I could take 
a look at it and see what I might be able to do?

(2) depends on the results of step 1

And so, on to what I have thought of so far ...

First I thought Macro (which I don't do anything with, so no help 
there)
Second I thought gawk ... and I played with that with some degree of 
success ...


Steps:
(1) save document as (plain) txt (no encoding)
(2) in a terminal window, apply this command to the *.txt file ...
awk '{gsub(/^[ \t]+|[ \t]+$/,)};1' filename.txt newfilename.txt
... this removes all leading (and trailing) white space, and 
everything is left justified.  It takes out spaces, tabs, and 
centering, and the result would look like this ...

Tom
said one
Tom
said two
Tom
said three
... and LibreOffice can open and edit the new *.txt file.

That doesn't get the speaker's line adjoined or insert the necessary 
: either, but depending upon context something might be made to do the 
job?


Regards
Fred James

PS: credit where credit is due: I found that little one-liner at 
http://www.pement.org/awk/awk1line.txt

Hi.
I think you are almost there. You just need to do a substitution if you 
have the actors names.

Substitute Tom: for Tom\n
I think you can perform substitution or transliteration on a list but 
can't just locate the syntax

Something like /(Tom\n)(Burt\n)(Joan\n)/(Tom:)(Burt:)(Joan:)/
Steve

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Re: [libreoffice-users] styles

[Samuel Mehrbrodt]

The Find and Replace Dialog has an Option Search for Styles. There 
you can search styles and replace them with other ones.


Hope this helps
Samuel

Am 18.02.2013 08:58, schrieb Jaap Bosman:

I do have a documnent with a lot of (12) styles.
My job is to make it a nice doc with only  4 styles

In the list of used styles :

Head
Head 1
Head 3
Head Article

These 4 styles I want to change to Head 1

Do I have to crawl the doc for every style or could I use some 
automated function?






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Re: [libreoffice-users] styles

[Andrew K]

Does the Find and Replace thing work only in Writer, or in other components as 
well? (I've seen it only in Writer).

Andrew

On 18/02/2013, at 7:10 PM, Samuel Mehrbrodt s.mehrbr...@gmail.com wrote:

 The Find and Replace Dialog has an Option Search for Styles. There you 
 can search styles and replace them with other ones.
 
 Hope this helps
 Samuel
 
 Am 18.02.2013 08:58, schrieb Jaap Bosman:
 I do have a documnent with a lot of (12) styles.
 My job is to make it a nice doc with only  4 styles
 
 In the list of used styles :
 
 Head
 Head 1
 Head 3
 Head Article
 
 These 4 styles I want to change to Head 1
 
 Do I have to crawl the doc for every style or could I use some automated 
 function?
 
 
 
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] styles

[Samuel Mehrbrodt]

The dialog is available in Writer, Impress and Calc. Searching for 
Styles worked only in Writer and Calc for me.


Samuel

Am 18.02.2013 09:20, schrieb Andrew K:

Does the Find and Replace thing work only in Writer, or in other components as 
well? (I've seen it only in Writer).

Andrew



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Re: [libreoffice-users] styles

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
How about using the Navigator, F5 in Calc.  Does that show all the headings of 
various types and then clicking on one takes you to the right place in the 
document.  It might be slightly more efficient than using searchreplace 
because you can keep the Navigator window open or even dock it to any edge.  
Regards from
Tom :)  






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Cc: Jaap Bosman j...@xs4all.nl; users@global.libreoffice.org 
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Does the Find and Replace thing work only in Writer, or in other components as 
well? (I've seen it only in Writer).

Andrew

On 18/02/2013, at 7:10 PM, Samuel Mehrbrodt s.mehrbr...@gmail.com wrote:

 The Find and Replace Dialog has an Option Search for Styles. There you 
 can search styles and replace them with other ones.
 
 Hope this helps
 Samuel
 
 Am 18.02.2013 08:58, schrieb Jaap Bosman:
 I do have a documnent with a lot of (12) styles.
 My job is to make it a nice doc with only  4 styles
 
 In the list of used styles :
 
 Head
 Head 1
 Head 3
 Head Article
 
 These 4 styles I want to change to Head 1
 
 Do I have to crawl the doc for every style or could I use some automated 
 function?
 
 
 
 
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[libreoffice-users] styles

[Jaap Bosman]

I do have a documnent with a lot of (12) styles.
My job is to make it a nice doc with only  4 styles

In the list of used styles :

Head
Head 1
Head 3
Head Article

These 4 styles I want to change to Head 1

Do I have to crawl the doc for every style or could I use some automated  
function?



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in libreoffice

[anne-ology]

   This message [below] is not as I sent it -
I do not know how the bracketed information appeared in the
middle of my message -
 I don't even know what [if you use Paste Special... to
paste unformatted text] means  ;-)

   But: footnotes are numbered - therefore, clicking on 'find' and
'search'ing the number will locate the footnote ...
continuing in this fashion, from 1 until each has been found
and re-formatted, is not that time-consuming - more frustrating having to
re-do what was already done before whatever 'kink' interfered  ;-)



On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 10:58 PM, Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.comwrote:

At 09:26 22/12/2012 -0600, Anne Noname wrote:

 yes, footnotes become jumbled; but the fact these are numbered makes them
 'find'able  ;-)


 I think you are making this up!  If you copy the footnote text and paste
 it (even if you don't use Paste Special...), you get just the text of the
 footnotes: there are no numbers.  And strictly, the text of the different
 footnotes is concatenated, not jumbled, of course.  But perhaps you mean
 the footnote markers in the body text; they are indeed preserved (though no
 longer connected to anything).

 Brian Barker



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in libreoffice

[VA]

I had never heard of the paste special feature, so I just tried it. I 
started with an .rtf file that LO didn't like. I selected the entire file 
with Ctrl-A, copied it (Ctrl-C) and then pasted it special back onto itself 
as unformatted text. It worked just as well as copying to a text editor. 
Kinda slick actually.


But, with either method, I lost the contents of my footnotes. To date, I 
haven't found a way with LO to convert formatted text to plain unformatted 
text and keep footnotes.


Virgil


Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in 
libreoffice


At 18:14 21/12/2012 -0600, Anne Noname wrote:
If you merely copy  paste over the initial file, then the messed-up 
formatting may still exist;


That's why that wasn't my suggestion!

in order to be sure of eliminating whatever might be causing the 'kink', 
the document needs to be fresh  ;-)


That's not true.  But in any case, you are presumably suggesting that
a fresh document would anyway be necessary with your round-the-houses
route via other software.

Again, you are very welcome to go the long way around if you
prefer.  You will not be the only person to do so.

Brian Barker



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in libreoffice

[Brian Barker]

At 08:28 22/12/2012 -0500, Virgil Aonly wrote:
I had never heard of the paste special feature, so I just tried 
it. I started with an .rtf file that LO didn't like. I selected the 
entire file with Ctrl-A, copied it (Ctrl-C) and then pasted it 
special back onto itself as unformatted text. It worked just as 
well as copying to a text editor. Kinda slick actually.


But, with either method, I lost the contents of my footnotes. To 
date, I haven't found a way with LO to convert formatted text to 
plain unformatted text and keep footnotes.


The problem is not with Paste Special... but simply with the fact 
that Ctrl+A selects either all the body text or all of a single 
footnote, depending on where the cursor is.  If you paste an 
unformatted copy of the body text, you lose the connection to 
footnotes and so lose the footnotes too.


But there is a way to salvage the footnote text:
o Go to Edit | Find  Replace... (or Ctrl+F).
o If necessary, click More Options.
o Tick Search for Styles.
o Under Search for, select Footnote from the drop-down menu.
o Click Find All to select the text of all footnotes.
o You can now copy the footnote text and paste it as required.

The text of all the footnotes will be concatenated into a single 
piece of text and will lose all connection to the original footnote 
markers - but this is in the nature of what you will be trying to 
achieve using Paste Special... in any case, of course.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in libreoffice

[anne-ology]

   yes, footnotes become jumbled;
   but the fact these are numbered makes them 'find'able  ;-)

   During the 15-30 minutes you're locating these and correcting them,
   you can contemplate all sorts of nasty things to do to these
'glorified typewriters'
 or
  you can think pleasant thoughts while listening to some nice music
or
   ... somewhere in between  ;-)



On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 7:28 AM, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote:

I had never heard of the paste special feature, so I just tried it. I
 started with an .rtf file that LO didn't like. I selected the entire file
 with Ctrl-A, copied it (Ctrl-C) and then pasted it special back onto itself
 as unformatted text. It worked just as well as copying to a text editor.
 Kinda slick actually.

 But, with either method, I lost the contents of my footnotes. To date, I
 haven't found a way with LO to convert formatted text to plain unformatted
 text and keep footnotes.

 Virgil


 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in
 libreoffice


 At 18:14 21/12/2012 -0600, Anne Noname wrote:

 If you merely copy  paste over the initial file, then the messed-up
 formatting may still exist;


 That's why that wasn't my suggestion!

  in order to be sure of eliminating whatever might be causing the 'kink',
 the document needs to be fresh  ;-)


 That's not true.  But in any case, you are presumably suggesting that
 a fresh document would anyway be necessary with your round-the-houses
 route via other software.

 Again, you are very welcome to go the long way around if you
 prefer.  You will not be the only person to do so.

 Brian Barker



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in libreoffice

[Brian Barker]

At 09:26 22/12/2012 -0600, Anne Noname wrote:
yes, footnotes become jumbled [if you use Paste Special... to paste 
unformatted text]; but the fact these are numbered makes them 'find'able  ;-)


I think you are making this up!  If you copy the footnote text and 
paste it (even if you don't use Paste Special...), you get just the 
text of the footnotes: there are no numbers.  And strictly, the text 
of the different footnotes is concatenated, not jumbled, of 
course.  But perhaps you mean the footnote markers in the body text; 
they are indeed preserved (though no longer connected to anything).


Brian Barker



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in libreoffice

[lordmax tdf]

Hi all

Thanks for your suggestion but it isn't a way I can walk.
I have documents of more than 500 pages, if I must reformat all I never end

I can't remove all formatting and start from scratch because it take too 
many time.

I can't remove all blank paragraphs because many of them are useful.
I can't use regex for automatize the work.
It's really a sin.

So well, I must work on Office Word first for formatting document and 
then convert it.

I would want to work totally on libreoffice but it isn't possible evidently.

Thanks to all

Il 21/12/2012 02:27, anne-ology ha scritto:

When I do this, nothing is lost except the formatting ...
  merely 'select all' - copy - paste to notepad - all the
text will be there; just re-format everything and place back in line  ;-)



On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 10:56 AM, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote:

This may not be much help, but when I have been faced with a converted file

that was such a formatting mess, I would just save it as a plain text file
and format from scratch, creating and applying the specific Styles I
wanted. There are drawbacks to this, as you will lose some of your content,
such as footnotes.

Good luck.
Virgil



From: lordmax tdf
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 10:58 AM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in libreoffice


Hi all

I'm on libreoffice 3.6 italian version
I'm working on many ebook in epub format.
Fortunately libreoffice has a great extension, writer2epub, who's wonderful

My problem is that original files (word exported by indesign) are a mess
with styles, fonts, etc
Really a chaos.

I need some way to get some works on styles via reg ex but I've found
nothing, nor in the help, nor in the wiki, nor of useful on internet

My first need is to modify lines before and after the chapter title.
In my doc I've a blank line, a line with the chapter title and one or
more blank lines all in header1 style

I haven't found a way to select styles via regex and I can't simply
change all the blank lines because they are in many different styles

I've already searched on internet and in the libreoffice/openoffice
forum but I haven't find any solutions.

Can you help me?

Thanks









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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in libreoffice

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)  
Styles and Templates are a really fast way of imposing new formatting after you 
have converted it all into plain text.  It might sound like something that is 
going to take ages but you would be surprised at how fast you can get through 
it the way people are recommending.  It surprised me!  

With Word i had often spent hours trying to un-mess documents from other people 
but Writer's use of styles makes it fast and simple.  

Another advantage with Writer's use of styles is that you can change the font 
throughout a document really quickly.  Just right-click on the text body 
style and change the font there.  Same with the default style and then as you 
go through other styles you have used you may find some have already changed 
automatically.  

I sometimes select a large area of text and force it to change style between a 
few different styles that i don't want the text to appear in and then settle it 
all as text-body.  That usually clears a lot of the messes.  Then just go 
through and select headings and sub-headings and set their style as heading1 
or heading 2 or whatever is the appropriate level.  

See Chapter 3 in the Getting Started Guide as it probably has even faster ways 
of getting through the document
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications

Good luck and regards from
Tom :)  








 From: lordmax tdf lordmax-...@email.it
To: 
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Friday, 21 December 2012, 10:13
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in libreoffice
 
Hi all

Thanks for your suggestion but it isn't a way I can walk.
I have documents of more than 500 pages, if I must reformat all I never end

I can't remove all formatting and start from scratch because it take too 
many time.
I can't remove all blank paragraphs because many of them are useful.
I can't use regex for automatize the work.
It's really a sin.

So well, I must work on Office Word first for formatting document and 
then convert it.
I would want to work totally on libreoffice but it isn't possible evidently.

Thanks to all

Il 21/12/2012 02:27, anne-ology ha scritto:
         When I do this, nothing is lost except the formatting ...
               merely 'select all' - copy - paste to notepad - all the
 text will be there; just re-format everything and place back in line  ;-)



 On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 10:56 AM, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote:

 This may not be much help, but when I have been faced with a converted file
 that was such a formatting mess, I would just save it as a plain text file
 and format from scratch, creating and applying the specific Styles I
 wanted. There are drawbacks to this, as you will lose some of your content,
 such as footnotes.

 Good luck.
 Virgil



 From: lordmax tdf
 Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 10:58 AM
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in libreoffice


 Hi all

 I'm on libreoffice 3.6 italian version
 I'm working on many ebook in epub format.
 Fortunately libreoffice has a great extension, writer2epub, who's wonderful

 My problem is that original files (word exported by indesign) are a mess
 with styles, fonts, etc
 Really a chaos.

 I need some way to get some works on styles via reg ex but I've found
 nothing, nor in the help, nor in the wiki, nor of useful on internet

 My first need is to modify lines before and after the chapter title.
 In my doc I've a blank line, a line with the chapter title and one or
 more blank lines all in header1 style

 I haven't found a way to select styles via regex and I can't simply
 change all the blank lines because they are in many different styles

 I've already searched on internet and in the libreoffice/openoffice
 forum but I haven't find any solutions.

 Can you help me?

 Thanks







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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in libreoffice

[anne-ology]

   Maybe I'm not understanding your problem, but ...
   it should take less time to 'select all' - paste into notepad
[thereby removing all formatting]
- 'select all' and paste into a new LO blank document.
   At this point, 'select all' and click on the formatting you desire;
  then scan through to catch the footnotes to place them back in
line.

   I've done this a few times; time is about 15 minutes; having to scan
through those footnotes which have become out of line  ;-)
  save time at this point by 'find'ing each by number  ;-)



On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 4:13 AM, lordmax tdf lordmax-...@email.it wrote:

Hi all

 Thanks for your suggestion but it isn't a way I can walk.
 I have documents of more than 500 pages, if I must reformat all I never end

 I can't remove all formatting and start from scratch because it take too
 many time.
 I can't remove all blank paragraphs because many of them are useful.
 I can't use regex for automatize the work.
 It's really a sin.

 So well, I must work on Office Word first for formatting document and then
 convert it.
 I would want to work totally on libreoffice but it isn't possible
 evidently.

 Thanks to all

 Il 21/12/2012 02:27, anne-ology ha scritto:

  When I do this, nothing is lost except the formatting ...
   merely 'select all' - copy - paste to notepad - all the
 text will be there; just re-format everything and place back in line  ;-)



 On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 10:56 AM, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote:

 This may not be much help, but when I have been faced with a converted
 file

 that was such a formatting mess, I would just save it as a plain text
 file
 and format from scratch, creating and applying the specific Styles I
 wanted. There are drawbacks to this, as you will lose some of your
 content,
 such as footnotes.

 Good luck.
 Virgil



 From: lordmax tdf
 Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 10:58 AM
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in libreoffice


 Hi all

 I'm on libreoffice 3.6 italian version
 I'm working on many ebook in epub format.
 Fortunately libreoffice has a great extension, writer2epub, who's
 wonderful

 My problem is that original files (word exported by indesign) are a mess
 with styles, fonts, etc
 Really a chaos.

 I need some way to get some works on styles via reg ex but I've found
 nothing, nor in the help, nor in the wiki, nor of useful on internet

 My first need is to modify lines before and after the chapter title.
 In my doc I've a blank line, a line with the chapter title and one or
 more blank lines all in header1 style

 I haven't found a way to select styles via regex and I can't simply
 change all the blank lines because they are in many different styles

 I've already searched on internet and in the libreoffice/openoffice
 forum but I haven't find any solutions.

 Can you help me?

 Thanks



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in libreoffice

[anne-ology]

   thanks; some more good tips.




On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 5:07 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

Hi :)
 Styles and Templates are a really fast way of imposing new formatting
 after you have converted it all into plain text.  It might sound like
 something that is going to take ages but you would be surprised at how fast
 you can get through it the way people are recommending.  It surprised me!

 With Word i had often spent hours trying to un-mess documents from other
 people but Writer's use of styles makes it fast and simple.

 Another advantage with Writer's use of styles is that you can change the
 font throughout a document really quickly.  Just right-click on the text
 body style and change the font there.  Same with the default style and
 then as you go through other styles you have used you may find some have
 already changed automatically.

 I sometimes select a large area of text and force it to change style
 between a few different styles that i don't want the text to appear in and
 then settle it all as text-body.  That usually clears a lot of the
 messes.  Then just go through and select headings and sub-headings and set
 their style as heading1 or heading 2 or whatever is the appropriate
 level.

 See Chapter 3 in the Getting Started Guide as it probably has even faster
 ways of getting through the document
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications

 Good luck and regards from
 Tom :)




 
  From: lordmax tdf lordmax-...@email.it
 To:
 Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Friday, 21 December 2012, 10:13
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in
 libreoffice
 
 Hi all
 
 Thanks for your suggestion but it isn't a way I can walk.
 I have documents of more than 500 pages, if I must reformat all I never
 end
 
 I can't remove all formatting and start from scratch because it take too
 many time.
 I can't remove all blank paragraphs because many of them are useful.
 I can't use regex for automatize the work.
 It's really a sin.
 
 So well, I must work on Office Word first for formatting document and
 then convert it.
 I would want to work totally on libreoffice but it isn't possible
 evidently.
 
 Thanks to all
 
 Il 21/12/2012 02:27, anne-ology ha scritto:
  When I do this, nothing is lost except the formatting ...
merely 'select all' - copy - paste to notepad - all the
  text will be there; just re-format everything and place back in line
 ;-)
 
 
 
  On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 10:56 AM, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
  This may not be much help, but when I have been faced with a converted
 file
  that was such a formatting mess, I would just save it as a plain text
 file
  and format from scratch, creating and applying the specific Styles I
  wanted. There are drawbacks to this, as you will lose some of your
 content,
  such as footnotes.
 
  Good luck.
  Virgil
 
 
 
  From: lordmax tdf
  Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 10:58 AM
  To: users@global.libreoffice.org
  Subject: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in
 libreoffice
 
 
  Hi all
 
  I'm on libreoffice 3.6 italian version
  I'm working on many ebook in epub format.
  Fortunately libreoffice has a great extension, writer2epub, who's
 wonderful
 
  My problem is that original files (word exported by indesign) are a
 mess
  with styles, fonts, etc
  Really a chaos.
 
  I need some way to get some works on styles via reg ex but I've found
  nothing, nor in the help, nor in the wiki, nor of useful on internet
 
  My first need is to modify lines before and after the chapter title.
  In my doc I've a blank line, a line with the chapter title and one or
  more blank lines all in header1 style
 
  I haven't found a way to select styles via regex and I can't simply
  change all the blank lines because they are in many different styles
 
  I've already searched on internet and in the libreoffice/openoffice
  forum but I haven't find any solutions.
 
  Can you help me?
 
  Thanks
 


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in libreoffice

[Brian Barker]

At 09:58 21/12/2012 -0600, Anne McGinnis wrote:
... it should take less time to 'select all' - paste into notepad 
[thereby removing all formatting] - 'select all' and paste into a 
new LO blank document.


You've said this a couple of times now, so it is worth pointing out 
(perhaps for other readers' benefit) that this is an unnecessarily 
complicated technique.  Use of Edit | Paste Special... | Unformatted 
text (or Ctrl+Shift+V | Unformatted text) in LibreOffice is all that 
is required.  No need for Notepad or any other separate software.


Brian Barker



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in libreoffice

[anne-ology]

   The KeepItSimpleS method is the way I've always found most effective;
saves having to memorize all those short-cuts - acronyms - ...
... ...




On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.comwrote:

At 09:58 21/12/2012 -0600, Anne wrote:

 ... it should take less time to 'select all' - paste into notepad
 [thereby removing all formatting] - 'select all' and paste into a new LO
 blank document.


 You've said this a couple of times now, so it is worth pointing out
 (perhaps for other readers' benefit) that this is an unnecessarily
 complicated technique.  Use of Edit | Paste Special... | Unformatted text
 (or Ctrl+Shift+V | Unformatted text) in LibreOffice is all that is
 required.  No need for Notepad or any other separate software.

 Brian Barker



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in libreoffice

[Brian Barker]

At 12:24 21/12/2012 -0600, Anne Noname wrote:

On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Brian Barker wrote:
Use of Edit | Paste Special... | Unformatted text (or Ctrl+Shift+V 
| Unformatted text) in LibreOffice is all that is required.  No 
need for Notepad or any other separate software.


The KeepItSimpleS method is the way I've always found most 
effective; saves having to memorize all those short-cuts - acronyms - ...


You think it is simpler to start a separate piece of software, copy 
and paste some text out of one program into the other, and copy and 
paste it back again, than just copy-and-pasting it back over itself 
in the original document?  Pardon me, but Ho, ho!


You are very welcome to do this, of course.  (I was evidently more 
right than I knew when I added perhaps for other readers' benefit!)


Brian Barker



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in libreoffice

[anne-ology]

   If you merely copy  paste over the initial file, then the messed-up
formatting may still exist;
in order to be sure of eliminating whatever might be causing
the 'kink', the document needs to be fresh  ;-)

   I learned this when that silly .rtf was around ... I had a great
letter ready to print out then mail off;
I printed the first one to re-edit for any typos I might have
missed to discover that intermingled among the text was all this
gobbledegook  ;-)
   After trying 3 times, I switched to notepad; this cleared the
formatting ... then I placed the text around the images in OO [yes, it was
a while back  ;-) ]
   and it printed out as it appeared on the monitor  :-)



On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.comwrote:

At 12:24 21/12/2012 -0600, Anne Noname wrote:

 On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Brian Barker wrote:

 Use of Edit | Paste Special... | Unformatted text (or Ctrl+Shift+V |
 Unformatted text) in LibreOffice is all that is required.  No need for
 Notepad or any other separate software.


 The KeepItSimpleS method is the way I've always found most effective;
 saves having to memorize all those short-cuts - acronyms - ...


 You think it is simpler to start a separate piece of software, copy and
 paste some text out of one program into the other, and copy and paste it
 back again, than just copy-and-pasting it back over itself in the original
 document?  Pardon me, but Ho, ho!

 You are very welcome to do this, of course.  (I was evidently more right
 than I knew when I added perhaps for other readers' benefit!)

 Brian Barker



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in libreoffice

[Brian Barker]

At 18:14 21/12/2012 -0600, Anne Noname wrote:
If you merely copy  paste over the initial file, then the messed-up 
formatting may still exist;


That's why that wasn't my suggestion!

in order to be sure of eliminating whatever might be causing the 
'kink', the document needs to be fresh  ;-)


That's not true.  But in any case, you are presumably suggesting that 
a fresh document would anyway be necessary with your round-the-houses 
route via other software.


Again, you are very welcome to go the long way around if you 
prefer.  You will not be the only person to do so.


Brian Barker



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[libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in libreoffice

[lordmax tdf]

Hi all

I'm on libreoffice 3.6 italian version
I'm working on many ebook in epub format.
Fortunately libreoffice has a great extension, writer2epub, who's wonderful

My problem is that original files (word exported by indesign) are a mess 
with styles, fonts, etc

Really a chaos.

I need some way to get some works on styles via reg ex but I've found 
nothing, nor in the help, nor in the wiki, nor of useful on internet


My first need is to modify lines before and after the chapter title.
In my doc I've a blank line, a line with the chapter title and one or 
more blank lines all in header1 style


I haven't found a way to select styles via regex and I can't simply 
change all the blank lines because they are in many different styles


I've already searched on internet and in the libreoffice/openoffice 
forum but I haven't find any solutions.


Can you help me?

Thanks




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in libreoffice

[VA]

This may not be much help, but when I have been faced with a converted file 
that was such a formatting mess, I would just save it as a plain text file 
and format from scratch, creating and applying the specific Styles I wanted. 
There are drawbacks to this, as you will lose some of your content, such as 
footnotes.


Good luck.

Virgil



-Original Message- 
From: lordmax tdf

Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 10:58 AM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in libreoffice

Hi all

I'm on libreoffice 3.6 italian version
I'm working on many ebook in epub format.
Fortunately libreoffice has a great extension, writer2epub, who's wonderful

My problem is that original files (word exported by indesign) are a mess
with styles, fonts, etc
Really a chaos.

I need some way to get some works on styles via reg ex but I've found
nothing, nor in the help, nor in the wiki, nor of useful on internet

My first need is to modify lines before and after the chapter title.
In my doc I've a blank line, a line with the chapter title and one or
more blank lines all in header1 style

I haven't found a way to select styles via regex and I can't simply
change all the blank lines because they are in many different styles

I've already searched on internet and in the libreoffice/openoffice
forum but I haven't find any solutions.

Can you help me?

Thanks




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in libreoffice

[anne-ology]

   When I do this, nothing is lost except the formatting ...
 merely 'select all' - copy - paste to notepad - all the
text will be there; just re-format everything and place back in line  ;-)



On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 10:56 AM, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote:

This may not be much help, but when I have been faced with a converted file
 that was such a formatting mess, I would just save it as a plain text file
 and format from scratch, creating and applying the specific Styles I
 wanted. There are drawbacks to this, as you will lose some of your content,
 such as footnotes.

 Good luck.
 Virgil



 From: lordmax tdf
 Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 10:58 AM
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in libreoffice


 Hi all

 I'm on libreoffice 3.6 italian version
 I'm working on many ebook in epub format.
 Fortunately libreoffice has a great extension, writer2epub, who's wonderful

 My problem is that original files (word exported by indesign) are a mess
 with styles, fonts, etc
 Really a chaos.

 I need some way to get some works on styles via reg ex but I've found
 nothing, nor in the help, nor in the wiki, nor of useful on internet

 My first need is to modify lines before and after the chapter title.
 In my doc I've a blank line, a line with the chapter title and one or
 more blank lines all in header1 style

 I haven't found a way to select styles via regex and I can't simply
 change all the blank lines because they are in many different styles

 I've already searched on internet and in the libreoffice/openoffice
 forum but I haven't find any solutions.

 Can you help me?

 Thanks



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[Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Intermittent problems are still problems.  If someone has a similar issue in 
the future this thread may give them ideas to try or may build into being part 
of a pattern that identifies exactly when/if the problem happens to make it 
easier to post a precise bug-report that is not so tricky to findfix

So, good work and congrats :)
Regards form
Tom :)  






 From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com
To: Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com; users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2012, 0:22
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer
 
I take that back. I just reopened Writer, and it came back to hierarchical 
Weird, because I never seemed to do that in the past.

I'm confused. Sorry I bothered y'all.

Virgil

-Original Message- From: VA
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 7:07 PM
To: Dan Lewis ; users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer

I keep it open all the time as well, but it never comes back to
hierarchical when I reopen Writer.

Virgil



-Original Message- From: Dan Lewis
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 5:15 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer

On 11/09/2012 03:25 PM, VA wrote:
 I'm a huge proponent of paragraph styles, and I use them constantly in 
 Writer. One frustration I have is that when I call up the Styles pane (F11), 
 it typically lists the styles by Automatic by default. I then always 
 change it to list the styles in a Hierarchical fashion. I would love to 
 have the styles listed hierarchically by default, but I haven't found a way 
 to achieve this.
 
 Any ideas?
 
 I'm using Libre on a dual-boot Windows 7/Ubuntu machine if that makes any 
 difference.
 
 Virgil
     I also use styles in Writer all the time. There are a few things
that I do. I dock  the Styles and Formatting pane (F11) on the left side
of LibreOffice. I do not close it before closing LibreOffice. (I
personally use Applied Styles all the time.) When I open Writer, this
pane opens showing Applied Styles.
     I use the Debian LO download from LibreOffice. I do not know
whether keeping the Styles pane open all of the time will make
Hierarchal Styles the default value on a Windows OS. It does seem to
work on Ubuntu.

--Dan

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Re: [Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer

[VA]

I discovered my mistake, and it is truly embarrassing.

I use both LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice and, apparently, it is in the 
OpenOffice fork that the style box won’t come up in the “hierarchical” form. So 
far, it’s working just fine in Libre.

Virgil



From: Tom Davies 
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 8:28 AM
To: VA ; Dan Lewis ; users@global.libreoffice.org 
Subject: [Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer

Hi :)
Intermittent problems are still problems.  If someone has a similar issue in 
the future this thread may give them ideas to try or may build into being part 
of a pattern that identifies exactly when/if the problem happens to make it 
easier to post a precise bug-report that is not so tricky to findfix

So, good work and congrats :)
Regards form
Tom :)  






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  From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com
  To: Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com; users@global.libreoffice.org 
  Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2012, 0:22
  Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer


  I take that back. I just reopened Writer, and it came back to hierarchical 
Weird, because I never seemed to do that in the past.

  I'm confused. Sorry I bothered y'all.

  Virgil

  -Original Message- From: VA
  Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 7:07 PM
  To: Dan Lewis ; users@global.libreoffice.org
  Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer

  I keep it open all the time as well, but it never comes back to
  hierarchical when I reopen Writer.

  Virgil



  -Original Message- From: Dan Lewis
  Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 5:15 PM
  To: users@global.libreoffice.org
  Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer

  On 11/09/2012 03:25 PM, VA wrote:
   I'm a huge proponent of paragraph styles, and I use them constantly in 
Writer. One frustration I have is that when I call up the Styles pane (F11), it 
typically lists the styles by Automatic by default. I then always change it 
to list the styles in a Hierarchical fashion. I would love to have the styles 
listed hierarchically by default, but I haven't found a way to achieve this.
   
   Any ideas?
   
   I'm using Libre on a dual-boot Windows 7/Ubuntu machine if that makes any 
difference.
   
   Virgil
  I also use styles in Writer all the time. There are a few things
  that I do. I dock  the Styles and Formatting pane (F11) on the left side
  of LibreOffice. I do not close it before closing LibreOffice. (I
  personally use Applied Styles all the time.) When I open Writer, this
  pane opens showing Applied Styles.
  I use the Debian LO download from LibreOffice. I do not know
  whether keeping the Styles pane open all of the time will make
  Hierarchal Styles the default value on a Windows OS. It does seem to
  work on Ubuntu.

  --Dan

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Re: [Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Ahh, that is interesting.  Knowing how to fix AOO problems is not really 
helpful here but knowing that they do have problems, especially ones we don't 
have is good for my morale :D

Fights and squabblings between the 2 projects often create a bad atmosphere 
that only helps MS so generally i think it's better that we just keep working 
together.  On the other hand a bit of friendly rivalry can be fun.  

Regards from
Tom :)  







 From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com
To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com; 
users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2012, 14:08
Subject: Re: [Solved]  Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer
 
I discovered my mistake, and it is truly embarrassing.

I use both LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice and, apparently, it is in the 
OpenOffice fork that the style box won’t come up in the “hierarchical” form. 
So far, it’s working just fine in Libre.

Virgil



From: Tom Davies 
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 8:28 AM
To: VA ; Dan Lewis ; users@global.libreoffice.org 
Subject: [Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer

Hi :)
Intermittent problems are still problems.  If someone has a similar issue in 
the future this thread may give them ideas to try or may build into being part 
of a pattern that identifies exactly when/if the problem happens to make it 
easier to post a precise bug-report that is not so tricky to findfix

So, good work and congrats :)
Regards form
Tom :)  






--
  From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com
  To: Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com; users@global.libreoffice.org 
  Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2012, 0:22
  Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer


  I take that back. I just reopened Writer, and it came back to hierarchical 
Weird, because I never seemed to do that in the past.

  I'm confused. Sorry I bothered y'all.

  Virgil

  -Original Message- From: VA
  Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 7:07 PM
  To: Dan Lewis ; users@global.libreoffice.org
  Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer

  I keep it open all the time as well, but it never comes back to
  hierarchical when I reopen Writer.

  Virgil



  -Original Message- From: Dan Lewis
  Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 5:15 PM
  To: users@global.libreoffice.org
  Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer

  On 11/09/2012 03:25 PM, VA wrote:
   I'm a huge proponent of paragraph styles, and I use them constantly in 
Writer. One frustration I have is that when I call up the Styles pane (F11), 
it typically lists the styles by Automatic by default. I then always change 
it to list the styles in a Hierarchical fashion. I would love to have the 
styles listed hierarchically by default, but I haven't found a way to achieve 
this.
   
   Any ideas?
   
   I'm using Libre on a dual-boot Windows 7/Ubuntu machine if that makes any 
difference.
   
   Virgil
      I also use styles in Writer all the time. There are a few things
  that I do. I dock  the Styles and Formatting pane (F11) on the left side
  of LibreOffice. I do not close it before closing LibreOffice. (I
  personally use Applied Styles all the time.) When I open Writer, this
  pane opens showing Applied Styles.
      I use the Debian LO download from LibreOffice. I do not know
  whether keeping the Styles pane open all of the time will make
  Hierarchal Styles the default value on a Windows OS. It does seem to
  work on Ubuntu.

  --Dan

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Re: [Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer

[VA]

The reason I use both programs is that, in some respects each has an 
advantage over the other.


AOO seems to work better with Linux Libertine G fonts, but, LibO properly 
hyphenates my U.S. English language, which AOO doesn't seem to do.


AOO loads faster, but LibO loads my hierarchical style pane.

And, neither uses the tabbed interface of Lotus Symphony, yet another fork I 
have installed on my system.


So, I switch between programs, all the while fantasizing that someday, 
someone much smarter than I will combine the best features of all three into 
one program and eliminate all bugs.


I'm not asking too much, am I?

Virgil

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Davies

Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 9:30 AM
To: VA ; Dan Lewis ; users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer

Hi :)
Ahh, that is interesting.  Knowing how to fix AOO problems is not really 
helpful here but knowing that they do have problems, especially ones we 
don't have is good for my morale :D


Fights and squabblings between the 2 projects often create a bad atmosphere 
that only helps MS so generally i think it's better that we just keep 
working together.  On the other hand a bit of friendly rivalry can be fun.


Regards from
Tom :)








From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com
To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; Dan Lewis 
elderdanle...@gmail.com; users@global.libreoffice.org

Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2012, 14:08
Subject: Re: [Solved]  Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer

I discovered my mistake, and it is truly embarrassing.

I use both LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice and, apparently, it is in the 
OpenOffice fork that the style box won’t come up in the “hierarchical” 
form. So far, it’s working just fine in Libre.


Virgil



From: Tom Davies
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 8:28 AM
To: VA ; Dan Lewis ; users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer

Hi :)
Intermittent problems are still problems.  If someone has a similar issue 
in the future this thread may give them ideas to try or may build into 
being part of a pattern that identifies exactly when/if the problem happens 
to make it easier to post a precise bug-report that is not so tricky to 
findfix


So, good work and congrats :)
Regards form
Tom :)






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 From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com
 To: Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com; users@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2012, 0:22
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer


 I take that back. I just reopened Writer, and it came back to 
hierarchical Weird, because I never seemed to do that in the past.


 I'm confused. Sorry I bothered y'all.

 Virgil

 -Original Message- From: VA
 Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 7:07 PM
 To: Dan Lewis ; users@global.libreoffice.org
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer

 I keep it open all the time as well, but it never comes back to
 hierarchical when I reopen Writer.

 Virgil



 -Original Message- From: Dan Lewis
 Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 5:15 PM
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer

 On 11/09/2012 03:25 PM, VA wrote:
  I'm a huge proponent of paragraph styles, and I use them constantly in 
Writer. One frustration I have is that when I call up the Styles pane 
(F11), it typically lists the styles by Automatic by default. I then 
always change it to list the styles in a Hierarchical fashion. I would 
love to have the styles listed hierarchically by default, but I haven't 
found a way to achieve this.

 
  Any ideas?
 
  I'm using Libre on a dual-boot Windows 7/Ubuntu machine if that makes 
any difference.

 
  Virgil
 I also use styles in Writer all the time. There are a few things
 that I do. I dock  the Styles and Formatting pane (F11) on the left side
 of LibreOffice. I do not close it before closing LibreOffice. (I
 personally use Applied Styles all the time.) When I open Writer, this
 pane opens showing Applied Styles.
 I use the Debian LO download from LibreOffice. I do not know
 whether keeping the Styles pane open all of the time will make
 Hierarchal Styles the default value on a Windows OS. It does seem to
 work on Ubuntu.

 --Dan

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[libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer

[VA]

I'm a huge proponent of paragraph styles, and I use them constantly in 
Writer. One frustration I have is that when I call up the Styles pane 
(F11), it typically lists the styles by Automatic by default. I then 
always change it to list the styles in a Hierarchical fashion. I would 
love to have the styles listed hierarchically by default, but I haven't 
found a way to achieve this.


Any ideas?

I'm using Libre on a dual-boot Windows 7/Ubuntu machine if that makes 
any difference.


Virgil

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer

[Dan Lewis]

On 11/09/2012 03:25 PM, VA wrote:
I'm a huge proponent of paragraph styles, and I use them constantly in 
Writer. One frustration I have is that when I call up the Styles pane 
(F11), it typically lists the styles by Automatic by default. I then 
always change it to list the styles in a Hierarchical fashion. I 
would love to have the styles listed hierarchically by default, but I 
haven't found a way to achieve this.


Any ideas?

I'm using Libre on a dual-boot Windows 7/Ubuntu machine if that makes 
any difference.


Virgil
 I also use styles in Writer all the time. There are a few things 
that I do. I dock  the Styles and Formatting pane (F11) on the left side 
of LibreOffice. I do not close it before closing LibreOffice. (I 
personally use Applied Styles all the time.) When I open Writer, this 
pane opens showing Applied Styles.
 I use the Debian LO download from LibreOffice. I do not know 
whether keeping the Styles pane open all of the time will make 
Hierarchal Styles the default value on a Windows OS. It does seem to 
work on Ubuntu.


--Dan

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer

[VA]

I keep it open all the time as well, but it never comes back to 
hierarchical when I reopen Writer.


Virgil



-Original Message- 
From: Dan Lewis

Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 5:15 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer

On 11/09/2012 03:25 PM, VA wrote:
I'm a huge proponent of paragraph styles, and I use them constantly in 
Writer. One frustration I have is that when I call up the Styles pane 
(F11), it typically lists the styles by Automatic by default. I then 
always change it to list the styles in a Hierarchical fashion. I would 
love to have the styles listed hierarchically by default, but I haven't 
found a way to achieve this.


Any ideas?

I'm using Libre on a dual-boot Windows 7/Ubuntu machine if that makes any 
difference.


Virgil

 I also use styles in Writer all the time. There are a few things
that I do. I dock  the Styles and Formatting pane (F11) on the left side
of LibreOffice. I do not close it before closing LibreOffice. (I
personally use Applied Styles all the time.) When I open Writer, this
pane opens showing Applied Styles.
 I use the Debian LO download from LibreOffice. I do not know
whether keeping the Styles pane open all of the time will make
Hierarchal Styles the default value on a Windows OS. It does seem to
work on Ubuntu.

--Dan

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer

[VA]

I take that back. I just reopened Writer, and it came back to hierarchical 
Weird, because I never seemed to do that in the past.


I'm confused. Sorry I bothered y'all.

Virgil

-Original Message- 
From: VA

Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 7:07 PM
To: Dan Lewis ; users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer

I keep it open all the time as well, but it never comes back to
hierarchical when I reopen Writer.

Virgil



-Original Message- 
From: Dan Lewis

Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 5:15 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles pane in Writer

On 11/09/2012 03:25 PM, VA wrote:
I'm a huge proponent of paragraph styles, and I use them constantly in 
Writer. One frustration I have is that when I call up the Styles pane 
(F11), it typically lists the styles by Automatic by default. I then 
always change it to list the styles in a Hierarchical fashion. I would 
love to have the styles listed hierarchically by default, but I haven't 
found a way to achieve this.


Any ideas?

I'm using Libre on a dual-boot Windows 7/Ubuntu machine if that makes any 
difference.


Virgil

 I also use styles in Writer all the time. There are a few things
that I do. I dock  the Styles and Formatting pane (F11) on the left side
of LibreOffice. I do not close it before closing LibreOffice. (I
personally use Applied Styles all the time.) When I open Writer, this
pane opens showing Applied Styles.
 I use the Debian LO download from LibreOffice. I do not know
whether keeping the Styles pane open all of the time will make
Hierarchal Styles the default value on a Windows OS. It does seem to
work on Ubuntu.

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[libreoffice-users] Styles not saving

[warutledge]

Are user defined styles only applicable to a document? I want to define a
global style, specifically in Calc, so that when I open a certain type of
csv, i can quickly format a set of columns for easy human readability. Thus
far, I've been able to format a column, define the style from that selected
column, but it does not save for any length longer than that specific file
is open. Is there something I am missing?

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[libreoffice-users] Styles and keyboard shortcuts: best practices?

[Ryan Jendoubi]

Hi all,

Would like your opinion on the following.

When I'm make styles for a new template, I always create New styles, 
usually with a common prefix in the name, to avoid some hypothetical 
namespace conflict in the future, e.g. when copying or including parts 
from one document to another.


I'm always wondering though whether it wouldn't be better to just modify 
the Default styles instead of creating new ones? So for example, instead 
of having an Essay Para style in Essay.ott and Notes Para in 
Classnotes.ott, just modify Text Body or something in each template to 
what I want the standard paragraph style to be for that template.


The possible utility of this has just occurred to me now I've started 
fussing around with keyboard shortcuts for styles. Since shortcuts are 
saved in LibreOffice (or at least in Writer) as opposed to along with 
Templates or with individual documents, if I set a shortcut for e.g. 
Essay Para for use with my Essay template, that shortcut key is 
useless for working in any other template that doesn't have the Essay 
Para style.


All my programming genes tell me to avoid namespace conflicts, inherit 
and specialise, etc. And there other way of getting around the problem 
above is to say that keyboard customisations in LibreOffice Writer ought 
to be saved with the Template somehow, as opposed to being universal. I 
certainly think there's something to be said for that.


What do y'all think? How do you manage and apply your templates and 
styles effectively?


-- Ryan

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[libreoffice-users] Styles and formatting: Display specific styles

[Sascha Vieweg]

Hello, how do I make specific paragraph styles to appear 
permanently and by default in the Styles and Formatting window? 
Can I move them to the Automatic set of styles? Thanks, *S*


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles and formatting: Display specific styles

[MR ZenWiz]

On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 3:22 AM, Sascha Vieweg saschav...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello, how do I make specific paragraph styles to appear permanently and by
 default in the Styles and Formatting window? Can I move them to the
 Automatic set of styles? Thanks, *S*

I don't know how to do either of those, however there are two ways you
can change what appears in the window.  one is to manipulate the
selector at the bottom (to something other than Automatic) and the
other is to switch to a different view (page or anything other than
paragraph) and then switch back.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles and formatting: Display specific styles

[Cor Nouws]

Hi Sascha,

Sascha Vieweg wrote (09-03-11 12:22)

Hello, how do I make specific paragraph styles to appear permanently and
by default in the Styles and Formatting window? Can I move them to the
Automatic set of styles? Thanks, *S*


No, anyway not without hacking either somewhere in the code or maybe in 
the xml files of the document.


However, one little trick: if you change or add a (special) page style 
to your document (template) with paragraphs with the desired styles in 
the header, those styles will be shown in the listbox 'Apply Style' 
(left at the toolbar).


Regards,
Cor


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