Re: Opening docx files

[Dale Erwin]

On 6/30/2016 12:11 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:

hi.
yes, it can open .docx files without any problem.
but saving as docx is not possible currently.


Saving as .docx was not supported by version 3 either.

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Re: can't open 2 programs at once

[Dale Erwin]

On 6/6/2016 12:59 PM, jd1008 wrote:
One way is to simply click on file -> open ... and open the text 
document in question - you do not need the 8 choice
menu all over again - however, and unfortunately, aoo does not seem to 
support multiple instances of it to be

running simultaneously.


You don't need multiple instances of the program.  The same instance of 
the program can open multiple documents at the same time.


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Re: font size changing by itself

[Dale Erwin]

On 5/14/2016 2:55 PM, Louise LMM . wrote:

Hello,

see down for the message. I never had before when I changedfrom 12 to another 
size it automatically moves to 12. What do I use to keep the page going in 16 
and when I change it  to 16 to keep it in 16 when it suddenly changes to 12 , 
sometimes I have the size on 16 , and type something while in that space it was 
16 it suddenly changes to 12 it happens over and over and i work for almost 5 
years with Open Office - please help me out , I write in 16 and suddenly the 
writing becomes 12. It is become like a struggle.


I have had that happen to me a couple of times.  What my problem was 
(and it might be yours as well) there were some spaces on the page with 
nothing in them , so could not be seen, that were set at the default 
12.  Then I would change to font size to something else where I was, but 
when I got to those other places it seemed to magically change back to 
12.  The solution I found was to highlight the entire page by holding 
down the mouse button and swiping the entire page and then change the 
font size.


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Re: so confused I have no idea who to contact!

[Dale Erwin]

On 4/26/2016 5:22 PM, FKnapp wrote:

Briana:
OK, I am no real expert on OO but if you are using MS Windows 
(assumed) this is more of an operating system function.  If you use 
the 'save' button it is saved in the last format you used. It looks 
like you save something in PDF before and the system 'remembered' that 
and uses that as the default format. Try using the 'Save As' selection 
from the FILE selection in the top toolbar. This will set the default 
for that doc, and possibly all others. If doing this shows the desired 
extension then you are good to go.

Floyd Knapp


On 4/26/2016 1:05 PM, multicatz3...@aol.com wrote:
recently, every document saves to Adobe---I do not want this and 
cannot find out how to change/get rid of it.  Also, when I try to 
print all I get is the documents save screen and am currently unable 
to print anything in open office.  HELP!!!



Briana


Floyd, I don't know which version of OO you are using, but mine is AOO 
4.1.2 and it does NOT Save to PDF.  You have to EXPORT it to PDF.  Also, 
the original poster did not say her document was being saved to PDF, but 
rather to Adobe which may or may not mean PDF.


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Re: Windows 10 and Apache open office

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/29/2016 7:46 AM, Lucy Blake wrote:

Hi
I wonder if you can tell me if I upgrade my laptop computer to Windows 10, will 
I still be able to use the Apache open office package that is currently on my 
laptop?
Thanks for any help you can offer
Regards
LU.
Sent from my iPad


I upgraded to Windows 10 about six months ago and have had no problems 
with Open Office under it.


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Re: question

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/28/2016 12:45 AM, eli wrote:

hello,


i downloaded open office version 4.0.1. There is no icon, or anything to open. 
Just a bunch of files. do i need  certain application to open it? did it not 
download fully?


any advice on this would be appreciated.


thanks,



eli


I would strongly advise you to install the latest version which is 
4.1.2.  And be sure you download it only from www.openoffice.org .


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Re: Spanish documents

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/26/2016 8:25 PM, Tina wrote:

I use on-line dictionaries to check my work. By the way, Spanish is not an easy 
language to translate into and you have to be quite fluent in it to do a really 
good job. Linguee is a good on-line one as well as word reference. Should you 
need any help, please let me know. I a currently translating a book from 
Spanish into English, well, rather, I am doing the revision of it. Linguee is 
really good because I get several synonyms to choose from, in context even.
Tina


I'm not really translating.  I'm composing this document in Spanish.  
Most of the errors I'm talking about are writing "or" instead of "o" or 
"che" instead of  "que" and similar.  I think it's because my fingers 
type faster than my brain can keep up.


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Re: Spanish documents

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/26/2016 5:59 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

Dale Erwin wrote:

I am currently composing a lengthy document in Spanish and just
discovered I do not have a Spanish dictionary.  I thought I did. So, I
downloaded and installed the Spanish language pack thinking that would
solve my problem.  However, I am still without spell check in Spanish.
Is there something else I need to do?


Language packs do not contain dictionaries. A language pack is to be 
used if you want menus in Spanish, not spell-checking in Spanish.


Download Spanish dictionaries from http://extensions.openoffice.org/

The one we bundle with the Spanish version is this one: 
http://extensions.openoffice.org/node/1657


Regards,
  Andrea.
Thank you Andrea.  Spanish spell check is now working for me.  Wow, I 
was amazed at how many times I used the right word but from the wrong 
language (some English and some Italian).


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Spanish documents

[Dale Erwin]

I am currently composing a lengthy document in Spanish and just 
discovered I do not have a Spanish dictionary.  I thought I did. So, I 
downloaded and installed the Spanish language pack thinking that would 
solve my problem.  However, I am still without spell check in Spanish.  
Is there something else I need to do?


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Graphics hijacked from[Re: Informations about developers for the convertion of MS Office macro into macro OpenOffice

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/26/2016 10:00 AM, John Caruso wrote:

  Open Office does not display embedded graphics in documents. That feature 
seems to be basic to all word processing products. I have to go through several 
machinations and only get to see them in postage stamp size. When will Open 
Office display embedded graphics correctly? Thank you


Maybe you should be a little more specific about your problem.  I am 
working on a document in AOO Writer at this moment in which I have a ton 
of graphics and have had no problems with with them.


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Images with Text

[Dale Erwin]

I would like to know if there is any way to insert images in my text 
document in such a way that I can then place text superimposed on the 
images.  So far, I have only been able to put text above or below, 
although I seem to remember having put text to the side of an image in 
the past.  But now I need to put text inside the image.  Is there any 
way to do that?


Dale Erwin



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Re: finding how to address envelopes

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/18/2016 12:35 PM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:

On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 12:14:03 -0500
Dale Erwin <dale.er...@casaerwin.org> wrote:



There are about 6 different sizes preprogrammed into Writer for printing
envelopes, but I don't really know what size those numbers represent

Standard International and US envelope sizes are given in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Envelope


But I don't live in the US and those aren't readily available to me.

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Re: finding how to address envelopes

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/18/2016 11:00 AM, ted pittinaro wrote:

Hello
I have open office 4 and having difficulties finding what source of the program 
is used to address envelopes, I can find how to do labels but not addressing 
envelopes, can you help
Thank you

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

d


There are about 6 different sizes preprogrammed into Writer for printing 
envelopes, but I don't really know what size those numbers represent, so 
the way I have been printing envelopes is this:


1.  Measure the envelope I want to print
2.  Open a new text document in Writer
3.  Under Format > Page I set up a User format to the size of the 
envelope I want to print
4.  Set the margins so that there isn't too much space between the 
return address and the edge
5.  Type in return address and destination address as I want them to 
appear on the envelope

6.  Print

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Re: Open Office Writer UTTER , UTTER Rubbish (or not)

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/13/2016 8:40 AM, Darren Myers wrote:

Max
  
I am a developer in BMC / People soft  applications, 32 years and 4 months  overall experience..
  
I shouldn't have to delete a profile and re-create it and go through that pain in order to get the most basic function working.

Open office need to fix this MAJOR problem.  It was an issue for users in 4.1.1 
and still in 4.1.2
  
However it really doesn't matter now, I simply opened my MS doc up online and MICROSOFT! allows you to edit and SPELL CHECK.

Lets be honest and truthful here, Open office is inferior, and by all accounts 
the worst freeware I have ever installed or used.


Sorry to hear you're having so much of a problem with Open Office. I've 
never had any myself, so the only advice I can offer is:  Don't let the 
door hit you in the ass on the way out.




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Re: Euro Symbol...?--Euro Symbol?--"No Prob" for Windows

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/2/2016 10:41 PM, Martin Rosenfeld wrote:

If he really is running OS/2 (I think eComStation is the current
rendition) he will probably have to change his code page.  But I don't
think the eComStation (eCS) version of Open Office is handled by Apache
and he should probably ask on the eCS mailing list.


I am running eCS but am getting used to calling it OS/2 again because 
there is another distro of OS/2 about to come on line at present 
called Blue Lion. I use Adobe OpenOffice for OS/2 and can now make a 
euro symbol with alt+213 (but not with altGR+213). It's been 
interesting how you guys have been arguing about Windows and Linux and 
even Apple systems when I originally asked a question about OS/2.


Most people these days don't know what OS/2 is.  They think it is some 
past release of OSX.  I ran eCS until a year or so ago when I bought a 
new computer and it wouldn't install.  That was 2.0 and my subscription 
ran out before 2.1 was released.  I didn't renew it because I couldn't 
install it.


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Re: Euro Symbol...?--Euro Symbol?--"No Prob" for Windows

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/1/2016 7:15 AM, James Knott wrote:

If he's running Windows (I thought the OP said OS/2), it's a simple
matter to select the U.S  International layout, to get the € symbol and
many others.  You can even enable multiple layouts and switch among them.


If he really is running OS/2 (I think eComStation is the current 
rendition) he will probably have to change his code page.  But I don't 
think the eComStation (eCS) version of Open Office is handled by Apache 
and he should probably ask on the eCS mailing list.


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Re: Euro Symbol...?--Euro Symbol?--"No Prob" for Windows

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/2/2016 7:19 AM, James Knott wrote:

On 03/02/2016 06:07 AM, Dave Barton wrote:

For anyone who's good at touch typing, that would slow them down.

FWIW: I frequently need to type the € character on a standard US
keyboard and for a long time have used the "AutoCorrect -> Replace"
option, by adding :?: (colon + question mark + colon) as my personal
auto correction replacement for the Euro character. This works for me in
both AOO & LO under Windows & Linux (presumably it would also work for
OSX & OS2). There is a minor (slightly inconvenient) difference between
AOO & LO, in that AOO requires a space or return character to
immediately follow the chosen AutoCorrect string.

So, now you're hitting 3 or 4 keys and you'd have to set up something
for each special character.  I just press right Alt & 5 to get €.

Again, it's so easy to set up the U.S. International layout on Linux &
Windows (no idea about Mac) that there's no need to use those tricks.

I have my keyboard configured to support U.S. English, U.S.
International and Greek (for electronics symbols).  I can easily switch
among them as needed.


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Even with the US International keyboard (which is what I use also), not 
all fonts have all the characters.  I use US International keyboard 
layout so that I can write documents in Spanish and Italian as well as 
English.  But you still have to make sure that the font you are using 
has the characters you want.  Otherwise, I don't think any method will 
create the characters for you.


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Re: Euro Symbol...?--Euro Symbol?--"No Prob" for Windows

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/1/2016 7:15 AM, James Knott wrote:

On 02/29/2016 11:41 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote:

No need to do anything "special" to get "special" characters (like the
euro symbol) if you're using any Microsoft OS, from Windows XP up to
Windows 7. Just use the Windows "Character Map Utility" that came
installed on your computer when you bought it.

If he's running Windows (I thought the OP said OS/2), it's a simple
matter to select the U.S  International layout, to get the € symbol and
many others.  You can even enable multiple layouts and switch among them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_and_American_keyboards#/media/File:KB_US-International.svg

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What's wrong with Insert > Special Character.  It's available in writer 
and calc, but I don't know about the other components.


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Re: Open Office changing my document from word

[Dale Erwin]

On 1/21/2016 4:49 AM, David Rivers wrote:

There are many people here who are prepared to help others for free.
 Hopefully you got this software free.
It's free because it is open source software.
That means it is transparent allowing you to copy the software and 
change it.
Those of us who understand its workings enough to change it can make 
changes to suit themselves or others.
Apache hosts the software and provides updates and add-ons but because 
it is free they can provide no help desk service.
Therefore we users help each other, by politely asking for advice or 
help from the group.
It is very difficult to provide or offer help to one who demands help 
rudely  like a spoilt child, then insults another user who is rightly 
offended by this.

You might note that more flies are caught by honey than vinegar ... :-)


Of course I'm not a moderator, so I don't know for sure, but I really 
doubt that Cathy Colorado is subscribed to this list, so she probably 
will never see this.


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Re: Open Office 4 text problem

[Dale Erwin]

On 1/19/2016 3:13 PM, Don Daugherty wrote:

On 1/10/2016 12:31 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

2016-01-10 16:49 GMT+01:00 Roy Noble <noble...@talktalk.net>:


I was typing up a document on your word program and suddenly without my
realization of deleting the text, it all disappeared.


It's too late now (I'm guessing) but if this sort of thing happens 
again, try pressing (and holding) Ctrl and then Z to undo whatever 
caused the problem.


That also happened to me once not too long ago.  Is Ctrl Z the keyboard 
shortcut for Undo?  If so, I doubt it will work.  When it happened to 
me, I clicked on the Edit menu and instead of Undo, it said Can't Undo 
and it was greyed out.  I had to re-key the entire document.  
Fortunately, it hasn't happened again... yet.


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Re: Please Help

[Dale Erwin]

On 1/11/2016 7:50 PM, John Hart wrote:

On 1/11/2016 2:59 PM, Julian Thomas wrote:

On Jan 11, 2016, at 16:13, Peter Koch <pete-n-...@outlook.com> wrote:

I am trying to generate random numbers without duplicate numbers 
being generated.
Mathematicians will tell you that a set of numbers isn't truly random 
if duplicates are disallowed.  You seem to want a random ordering of 
the integers in the range.



Power Ball tickets don't have space for duplicate numbers


Mathematicians, Shmathematicians, I submit that no set of 
computer-generated numbers is truly random.  Pseudo-random is the best 
you can hope for.


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Re: revolting support

[Dale Erwin]

On 1/11/2016 8:14 PM, John Hart wrote:

On 1/11/2016 5:21 PM, Richard Detwiler wrote:

On 1/11/2016 7:12 PM, John Hart wrote:


Brian Barker  said:

The difference in the message you quote is that the To: field did 
*not* contain the list address.


Then asked:

Was this put into a Bcc: field by the author?

I'm not sure why he asked me that, I'm not clairvoyant,
so I responded:

How am I supposed to configure a filter for email coming in with 
random addresses?


To which you replied.

Filter on the "To" line which is "users@openoffice.apache.org".

And we've gone in a complete circle.

Mail from the list has the wrong address, but it's the user's fault
so nothing can or should be done about it according to Brian.

Usenet was a much better forum than lists, I guess that's why the 
establishment killed it.




I am subscribed to a large number of mailing lists and this list server 
is the only one that ever happens on.  None of my other mailing lists 
ever send me messages that end up in my inbox.  But this one does.   I 
think the OP has a valid point.


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Re: Spreadsheets

[Dale Erwin]

On 12/23/2015 10:13 AM, Dan Lewis wrote:

You have given me the information that I was looking for. Thanks!
I am writing a chapter, Planning/Designing your Database, for 
LibreOffice. Since many people use spreadsheets and shy away from 
databases, I wanted something to compare the two. The general 
conception seems to be creating databases is difficult, and creating 
spreadsheets is easier. I wanted to show that the basic principles for 
creating a database are not very different from creating a spreadsheet.


One problem I see with your premise is that with the database, after it 
is created you have to then create some sort of application to 
manipulate/retrieve the data.


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Re: Capatible with windows 10

[Dale Erwin]

On 11/28/2015 4:47 PM, Richard Kerner wrote:

is open office Compatible with windows 10? if not do you have a similar product 
that is?
   
311 No. Robertson Blvd. # 288

Beverly Hills, CA 90211
Tel: 323.658.9180
 


I have just recently upgraded to Windwos 10 and have had no problems so far.

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Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released

[Dale Erwin]

Well it's difficult to confuse a link with plain text when it's a big button 
labeled "download"

On Nov 12, 2015 6:00 PM, Fernando Cassia <fcas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Dale Erwin <dale.er...@casaerwin.org> 
> wrote: 
>
> >   It really annoys me how sourceforge puts all those other download links 
> > on the open office download page 
>
>
> Those are most of the time not links, but advert banners. 
>
> Big difference. Web users should learn to know the difference between a 
> regular text link, a web page button and a bitmap (image) with text written 
> on it. Just hovering the mouse cursor over an banner image will usually 
> tell you (by looking at the browser's status bar) where that takes you if 
> you click. 
>
> In fact if you read the TEXT on the Sourceforge page it tells you that the 
> download is starting automatically in 5 seconds.  "Your download will start 
> shortly" followed by "Your download will start in 5 seconds". Which 
> counts down to zero when it finally starts. 
>
> I have installed an adverts blocker in my browser so I don't even see 
> whatever 3rd party advert banner the site might want to show me. 
>
> See this screenshot for what I mean: 
> http://s28.postimg.org/5v08sx5yl/adverts.png 
>
> (on the screenshot I was downloading another program, not AOO, but the 
> point is made) 
>
> FC 
>
> PS: Every time I see someone saying "you should ditch Sourceforge" I'm 
> forced to repeat the same: Sourceforge.net has one feature that IMHO all 
> other alternatrives lack, namely LOCAL MIRRORS. I'm down in Argentina and 
> the nearest SF.net mirror is in Brazil, so my download is initiated from 
> the Brazilian mirror. SF.net has local mirrors all around the world 
> Link for a list of mirrors: 
> http://sourceforge.net/p/forge/documentation/Mirrors/ 
>
> ...which means users get faster downloads and ISPs do not overload 
> international pipes. 

Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released

[Dale Erwin]

That's strange because I just downloaded it from there.

On Nov 12, 2015 4:57 PM, "V. & B. Electric"  wrote:
>
> Hello, 
> I was trying to download the Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 new ver. released 
>  from below link: " 
> http://www.openoffice.org/download/; but there is no download available. 
> Could you tell me if it is really available or not. 
> Thank you for your time. 
> Regards, 
>
> -- 
> *Victor Brasoveanu* 

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Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 released

[Dale Erwin]

Just one thought, though, when you click on the download button, it will 
transfer you to the sourceforge site.  DO NOT click on any download 
button on the sourceforge site.  Just wait a few seconds and your 
download will begin.  It really annoys me how sourceforge puts all those 
other download links on the open office download page, as well as all 
the others pages they host.  I also hear that many of those other links 
are to dangerous programs including spyware.  I would be very happy if I 
heard that Apache had stopped using the sourceforge link.  Every time 
this subject comes up, someone always jumps in to defend them saying 
they no longer do that, but the problems with their site continue.


Dale Erwin


On 11/12/2015 5:16 PM, Dale Erwin wrote:

That's strange because I just downloaded it from there.

On Nov 12, 2015 4:57 PM, "V. & B. Electric" <victorbrasove...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,
I was trying to download the Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 new ver. released
<http://s.apache.org/announcing-openoffice-412> from below link: "
http://www.openoffice.org/download/; but there is no download available.
Could you tell me if it is really available or not.
Thank you for your time.
Regards,

--
*Victor Brasoveanu*



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Re: The requested operation requires elevation.

[Dale Erwin]

That message "Do you want to allow this app from an unknown publisher... 
etc." should not be coming up when you open the Open Office 
application.  It should only come up when you open the Installer to 
install Open Office.


Dale Erwin

On 10/28/2015 5:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:



-Original Message-
From: Michael Crook [mailto:mick.cro...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 12:27
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: RE: The requested operation requires elevation.

Hello, Still got same problem, when trying to open a saved ODF document,
opens OK when opened from the recent docs menu within the app though. I
also get User account control message when opening openoffice, "Do you
want to allow this app from an unknown publisher to make changes to your
PC? Any advice welcome.
Many Thanks.Mick Crook.Mob: 07806771881

[orcmid]

It is OK to say "yes" to that message. It is just to make certain that you
downloaded that software, are aware of it, and want to run it.  This may
also remove the difficulty launching directly from files.



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Re: Top posting

[Dale Erwin]

On 10/14/2015 12:05 AM, Marilyn Safier wrote:

Why it has become prevalent?
Because you can read it first and only need to go below if you need to
refer to something, that's why!


People who top post never look below the first few lines of any message 
and cannot be bothered to weed out and eliminate irrelevant content, 
such as all those footers added by so many mailing lists. A long-running 
conversation can reach hundreds of pages of nothing but endless 
repetitions of those footers overrunning mailboxes and bogging down 
transmission times, especially in places where internet connections are 
slow.  It's a very inconsiderate practice.



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Re: Top posting

[Dale Erwin]

On 10/13/2015 4:13 PM, William K Helbig Jr wrote:

A quick lesson on top posting.

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style

Skip H


I agree and can't understand why it has become so universally prevalent.

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Re: Open Office Issues

[Dale Erwin]

On 10/9/2015 3:50 PM, J H wrote:

John Hitchler

702-415-1967

hitchl...@msn.com


Problems;

   1) When “save as” sometimes program freezes. Have to restart computer / Have 
to recover text because of crash

   2) I have 4.1.0 … thinking maybe I need to upgrade to 4.1.1 but program 
won’t allow me to

   3) When I want to view downloads-I.E. a box appears that gives me the option 
to open or save

 * I click open, doesn’t open

 * I click save, nothing happens

   4) When “save as” to desktop, documents, or pictures the file that I have to 
save in is;

   ODF Text Doc (.odt)(*.odt)

   Adobe won’t allow me to save it … says file is corrupt or damaged

   5) When I “save” only it is saved as pdf - but I can’t open it


Can you help me?






Sent from Windows Mail


I don't understand why you are using Adobe to edit or save an .odt 
file.  You should be using Open Office Writer.  If you want to use 
Adobe, you should first use Writer to export the file to .pdf.


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Re: numbering of pages

[Dale Erwin]

On 9/20/2015 7:54 PM, jimisuz1 . wrote:

I would like to know how to set the "page" settings so I can print,, as an
example,,,  pages: 1,3,5,7,9etc. without having to print the even
numbered pages.
I have been  trying to do so.
The information I am trying to print in this manner comes as an attachment
of an e-mail.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Sincerely,,
James
geminix1...@gmail.com



The option for "odd pages only" is not in the AOO Page settings, but 
rather is found in the print dialog AFTER YOU HAVE EXPORTED TO PDF.


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Re: OpenOffice può aprire file docx e xlsx?

[Dale Erwin]

On 8/5/2015 2:51 AM, ams5...@virgilio.it wrote:

  Salve, ho scaricato qualche giorno fa il vostro programma, molto interessante.
Ho cercato di aprire file docx e xlsx, ma non riesco.
Invece, i file doc e xls si aprono.
OpenOffice può aprire file docx e xlsx?
Grazie mille e cordiali saluti,
Massimo Angeli (Italia)


Credevo che sì fosse possibile aprire i file docx e xlsx con le ultime 
versioni di OO.  Da quale sito l'hai scaricato?  Dovresti scaricarlo 
solo dal sito openoffice.org.


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Re: technical issue

[Dale Erwin]

On 8/3/2015 10:53 AM, toki wrote:

On 08/03/2015 10:36 AM, DaveMainwaring wrote:


Putting your photo on resume is considered a NO NO, bad idea

In most countries, requiring a resume to include a photograph is a
violation of local equal opportunity/affirmative action laws.

In some regions, many firms have an official policy of rejecting all
applications that include photographs, or videos of the applicant.

That said, there are fields of endeavor in which including a photograph
is the usual and standard practice. So much so, that the failure to
include a photograph is a guarantee that one will not be considered for
the position.

jonathon

 At the same time there are some countries where a photo is expected 
and everyone does it.  I happen to be living in such a country.


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Re: Number Formatting

[Dale Erwin]

On 7/28/2015 5:12 PM, Dale Erwin wrote:

Environment: AOO 4.1.1 under Win 7.

I am using a table in Writer for as tabulation because I want some 
columns left-justified and some columns right-justified.  The 
right-justified columns contain dollars and cents.  Every time I enter 
an amount that ends in .00, it eliminates the two zeroes. For 
instance, if I enter 27.00, after I tab out of that column it changes 
to 27 (right-justified).  If I click on 'Undo Auto Format' the 27.00 
is restored, but the cursor is put back into the cell and getting out 
of the cell once again changes it to 27 (right justified).  I have 
searched the table properties, but cannot find the control for this.  
Can someone please tell me where to find it?


Dale Erwin



Never mind... I found it.

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Re: Styles

[Dale Erwin]

Thank you, Dennis.  I'm glad someone understood my question.  I was 
beginning to doubt my English skills, even though it is my native 
language... but, then, I suppose it must be a second language for some 
of the responders.


Dale Erwin


On 7/2/2015 7:39 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

Dale Erwin asks whether updated templates will automatically update the 
template-defined styles in a document previously created with that template.

The short answer is no.

Although the file name of a template used to create a document can be carried in the document 
metadata, not all implementations seem to produce it.  Also, the template with that file name 
might not be locatable when the document is opened on a different computer.  If the template 
file has been retained, it will appear in the Template: entry row of the File  
Properties ...  General dialog-box tab.

There is a Load Styles ... option on the Styles and Formatting dialog though 
(under the rightmost button pull-down in the dialog toolbar), and it will load styles 
from a document file including from a template.  Experiment with that.

  - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Dale Erwin [mailto:dale.er...@casaerwin.org]
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 15:10
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Styles

[ ... ]

So my question is:  After I do this, will documents created on this
template before the template change be automatically updated to reflect
the changes in these modified styles?

Dale Erwin



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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

[Dale Erwin]

On 6/25/2015 11:58 PM, Dale Erwin wrote:

On 6/25/2015 7:26 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote:
What do you do if most every document you create with your word 
processor (WP) is in a different style,  you don't know its 
style until you finish creating it? For my personal use, I create a 
lot of specialized lists  inventories w/ my WP, in addition to 
creating documents  written articles in many  varied  formats.  To 
address the responder of my initial posting, let me say:  I've 
invested a lot of time in trying to become proficient in Writer 
styles w/o much success.  Also, I bought every reference I could 
find on 'Writer,' but still couldn't get that Writer WP to produce 
the documents I needed in the format I wanted.  What is more, when I 
was required to re-edit a Writer document at a later time, I found 
the re-editing often undid all the formatting I thought I had built 
into the Writer document.  I don't mind investing in computer 
programming technology that serves my needs.  (For a selfie 
aside,  I started in the computer business in 1961,  was, at 
various times, fluent in 7 ea. different computer languages. So I 
know what it means to invest one's time  effort to acquire 
proficiency w/ a particular software product.)  I decided w/ Writer 
that I wasn't making progress getting my work done. Therefore, I 
decided to invest my time  energy elsewhere.  In consistency w/ my 
previous experience,  I chose to invest my time  energy in the 
so-called tried  true--in this case MS Word.  My priority has 
always been on getting my work done efficiently,  not on learning to 
become proficient w/ any particular software product.


Best wishes,


If you have assigned a specific style to a document, you should know 
that.  If you haven't assigned a specific style to it, it will use the 
default style.  An exception to this could be if you begin a 
document by copying from an already existing document in which case it 
will inherit that existing document's styles. One document can use 
several different styles.  While it can have only one page style, it 
can have several paragraph styles, etc. In Writer, the info box just 
to the left of the one containing the name of the font appears the 
name of the current paragraph style. If you haven't assigned one, it 
should say Default.


OK, that's not quite true.  each page of a document can have a different 
page style (though that's not likely), but each page can have multiple 
paragraph styles.  That's what I was trying to say.


You can also create a template containing any special collection of 
styles you wish.  Then, each time you create a document from that 
template it will have those styles assigned to it.   If you do not use 
a template to create a new document, then that new document will only 
have access to the system styles.  Any styles you create in one 
document will not be available in another document unless it is done 
by way of a template.


To assign a particular style to a page,  give that page the focus, go 
to the Format menu and select Styles and Formatting.  Usually this 
opens a dialog with Paragraph styles selected, but just click on Page 
Styles at the top of the box and then double click the style you wish 
to assign.  If you wish to create a new style for your page, right 
click on any of the styles listed and select New and change it to 
whatever parameters you wish to set.  It will have inherited the 
parameters of the style you clicked on when you selected New but you 
can change them to whatever you like and give it a name.


Now that's probably all you will need to get started learning about 
styles.  As far as which parameters to set, many of them are intuitive.


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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

[Dale Erwin]

On 6/25/2015 8:53 PM, Joe Conner wrote:

It would be useful to have a definition/characterization of each of
the various styles in the standard install. The names are available,
but sometimes they are not very informative. I would like less of the
trial and experiment and more of an intelligent choice when it comes
to choosing a style.

Blessings, Joe


If you go to the Format menu and select Styles and Formatting, you can 
examine all of the styles or create new ones.  Simply right click on a 
style and select either Modify (to examine it or even change it) or New 
(to create a new one).


Dale Erwin



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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

[Dale Erwin]

On 6/25/2015 7:26 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote:
What do you do if most every document you create with your word 
processor (WP) is in a different style,  you don't know its style 
until you finish creating it?  For my personal use, I create a lot of 
specialized lists  inventories w/ my WP, in addition to creating 
documents  written articles in many  varied  formats.  To address 
the responder of my initial posting, let me say:  I've invested a lot 
of time in trying to become proficient in Writer styles w/o much 
success.  Also, I bought every reference I could find on 'Writer,' but 
still couldn't get that Writer WP to produce the documents I needed in 
the format I wanted.  What is more, when I was required to re-edit a 
Writer document at a later time, I found the re-editing often undid 
all the formatting I thought I had built into the Writer document.  I 
don't mind investing in computer programming technology that serves my 
needs.  (For a selfie aside,  I started in the computer business 
in 1961,  was, at various times, fluent in 7 ea. different computer 
languages. So I know what it means to invest one's time  effort to 
acquire proficiency w/ a particular software product.)  I decided w/ 
Writer that I wasn't making progress getting my work done. Therefore, 
I decided to invest my time  energy elsewhere.  In consistency w/ my 
previous experience,  I chose to invest my time  energy in the 
so-called tried  true--in this case MS Word.  My priority has 
always been on getting my work done efficiently,  not on learning to 
become proficient w/ any particular software product.


Best wishes,


If you have assigned a specific style to a document, you should know 
that.  If you haven't assigned a specific style to it, it will use the 
default style.  An exception to this could be if you begin a document 
by copying from an already existing document in which case it will 
inherit that existing document's styles.  One document can use several 
different styles.  While it can have only one page style, it can have 
several paragraph styles, etc.  In Writer, the info box just to the left 
of the one containing the name of the font appears the name of the 
current paragraph style.  If you haven't assigned one, it should say 
Default.


You can also create a template containing any special collection of 
styles you wish.  Then, each time you create a document from that 
template it will have those styles assigned to it.   If you do not use a 
template to create a new document, then that new document will only have 
access to the system styles.  Any styles you create in one document will 
not be available in another document unless it is done by way of a template.


To assign a particular style to a page,  give that page the focus, go to 
the Format menu and select Styles and Formatting.  Usually this opens a 
dialog with Paragraph styles selected, but just click on Page Styles at 
the top of the box and then double click the style you wish to assign.  
If you wish to create a new style for your page, right click on any of 
the styles listed and select New and change it to whatever parameters 
you wish to set.  It will have inherited the parameters of the style you 
clicked on when you selected New but you can change them to whatever 
you like and give it a name.


Now that's probably all you will need to get started learning about 
styles.  As far as which parameters to set, many of them are intuitive.


Dale Erwin

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Re: Question re/ using Open Office

[Dale Erwin]

On 6/25/2015 7:29 PM, Richard Fox wrote:
OK. That works. But it's kind of a back-handed approach. What I was 
trying to do was to double-click on an xlsx document itself, right 
click on open with and have it open with OO. It really SHOULD since 
I have both MS Office and OO installed. But for some reason, my system 
doesn't seem to recognize that OO is installed.


For the record ... I was selling mainframes to the largest 
corporations in the world and managing project management teams 
world-wide a long time ago (possibly before you were born - no slight 
intended). I really do know how to do problem determination. I have 
spent hours and I just can't figure out why this won't work without 
having to start OO first. I have at least a dozen options. It's just 
that OO isn't one of them. It's almost as though it didn't get into 
the registry properly.


I'll work on this some more when I get a chance.


Do you think that the problem might be the name of the program you're 
looking for is not openoffice.exe, but rather soffice.exe or swriter.exe 
???  The names are still the same as they were when the product was 
called Star Office.  I used Star Office under OS/2 Warp even before Sun 
had anything to do with it.  I, too, was a mainframer but I retired 15 
years ago.  Do they still make mainframes?


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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

[Dale Erwin]

On 6/25/2015 11:02 AM, Doug wrote:



On 06/25/2015 02:10 AM, Dale Erwin wrote:

On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote:

/snip/
I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you 
would find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not 
moreso.  I struggled against it for a long time before I finally 
broke down and made the time to learn how to use them.


Dale Erwin


Learning to use styles is too high a price to pay for a free word 
processor. I'd rather pay money and get something user-friendly.


--doug


Well, no software will give you service if you aren't willing to take 
the time to learn how to use it.  It's only money.


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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

[Dale Erwin]

On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote:
As to word processors suitable for the general user, my vote is for 
Microsoft Word.  While, like most everyone on our Planet, I'd like the 
proverbial free lunch, I don't expect to get one.  However, I found 
I can get MS Word to give me the text I want to type almost always.  
But when I use Writer, I keep getting something I have to constantly 
diddle with to get it to appear in the form I want.  And, if I want 
something fancier than simple text, I can get that too with MS Word.  
I'd like Writer fine if only I could sit down at my computer  prepare 
a document using it without constantly undoing all the things built 
into Writer that I've never figured out how to turn off or to modify. 
Of course I had to pay a somewhat steep price to get a WP that served 
my needs, but my time is valuable to me too, so the ease of use  the 
reliability of MS Word seems well worth the cost in the long run.


I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would 
find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso.  I 
struggled against it for a long time before I finally broke down and 
made the time to learn how to use them.


Dale Erwin

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Re: Question

[Dale Erwin]

On 5/19/2015 3:26 AM, Matsini Z wrote:

As long as my english mostley is according to mechanical engineering it
make me a bit confused at your non swedish forum for support.

- What I need to find out is HOW TO PASTE A TEXT, TURNED 90 DEG at an
*.ODT-document?

I am trying to make a folded A4 into an 4-sided A5-format with last side as
an papermail adress with place for a stamp, up at right corner.
But I can't find out how to do it!
Need somehelp!

Kindley Regards



It sounds to me like you need to use the Brochure function.  Click on 
File Menu - Print then select the Page Layout tab and select Brochure.  
But, if your software is in Swedish, these names might not mean anything 
to you.


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Re: Selling on ebay!

[Dale Erwin]

On 5/10/2015 10:50 AM, James Knott wrote:

On 05/10/2015 11:43 AM, jd1008 wrote:

It should be compiled C or C++ code that cannot be removed
without getting the full source code and removing the message and
recompiling
the whole enchilada.

As open source software, the full source code is available.  You don't
have to be much of a developer to edit it and recompile.


Besides, such a notice would be deceptive since there is nothing illegal 
about reselling the software.  Robbery, on the other hand, is illegal.


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Re: Inserting 100 small text files into doc

[Dale Erwin]

On 5/3/2015 3:24 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:

Another way to do this might be to make a Master Document, and enter therein 
the names of all the text files in sequence (perhaps from a captured directory 
listing?).  The output document resulting from the expanded Master Document 
might then be edited in the usual way.  There are problems: the individual 
documents might lose their formatting, and one would need to get one's head 
around the complexities of Master Documents and their structure.  For a one-off 
task the hundred documents could have been inserted by hand using /File /Insert 
and an hour's work.


My experience with master documents has been that the expanded master 
document cannot be edited directly, only the individual component files 
may be edited.




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Re: A question

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/24/2015 3:47 PM, Molly Teti wrote:

Hi, My computer crashed and so I had to save my document but now it says it is 
locked how do I un lock my file? Please advise thanks

  ~Molly


When you open a file, the system creates a lock file so that it can't be 
opened by any other app at the same time.  Then when you close the file, 
the system deletes this lock file.  When you computer crashed, this lock 
file was more than likely left on the drive and now prevents any app 
from opening your file.  It should be located in the same directory with 
the actual file.  If you file name is FileName.odt, the the lock file 
should be named .~lock.FileName.odt# so if you delete that lock file you 
will then be able to open your file.


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Re: Office 應用 BoF @ 北京 OSTC, 2015/3/28

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/13/2015 5:35 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

2015-03-13 6:31 GMT+01:00 依瑪貓 ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw:


Dear all,

 I send the message in Chinese again.


Please do, I will reply. In Swedish…


And I will reply in Neapolitan:

I' nun pozzo jí, ma bbona sciorta.







 有沒有人今年會去北京的 OSTC (3/28) 呢？我們會在中午的用餐時間，舉行
一場 Office 應用小聚，大家可以聊一聊，互相認識，也可以討論未來
OpenOffice 的發展方向。 ASF Board 成員 Ross Gardler 也會一起來參加，我們
也在邀請微軟 OOXML 的朋友出席中。如果你會來今年的 OSTC ，關心 OpenOffice
的開發未來，都歡迎你來參加！


Jaha ja, det där var ju en massa lustiga tecken som jag inte förstår ett
skvatt av. Eller jo, det smög sig ju in några vanliga bokstäver också,
harre jävvlar vad trevligt! Oj, där blev det visst lite Göteborgska också,
hoppas det går gôrbra.



因為場地有點小（目前上限 10 人），所以想來的人請回信告知，以便事先估
計人數，視情況尋找更大的場地。謝謝！


Och här är några andra intressanta tecken: ☎☠☏☹☺턞


Vänliga hälsningar

Johnny Rosenberg
ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ

Ja, jag vet, det där sista var Japanska, inte Kinesiska, men det skiter väl
jag i!




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Re: Open office writer

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/4/2015 5:53 AM, ArbolOne wrote:
Anyone might scold you for being so rude in your reply,Dale, specially 
me, since I agree with Steve, but I am not that kind of person. 
However, who in their right mind would presents a business proposal or 
write a business letter double spaced? Dale! one might say, but that 
is because Dale is in High School and HS students double space their 
homework so that teachers can write correction notes. We, in the 
professional world, do not double space our business letters.


If he would learn how to operate the software, he would not have double 
spaced letters where he did not want them, but he did not want to be 
bothered by that.  He said, and I'm paraphrasing, that he didn't want to 
know why it did what it did and he didn't want to know how to get around 
it and it should just be changed to work the way he wanted it to work.  
To me that is rude and does not deserve any less in return.


I graduated from high school in 1951... probably before you were born.

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Re: Open office writer

[Dale Erwin]

On 3/3/2015 12:52 AM, S F wrote:

1)  It is quite hard to just 'drop an email to' open office. I don't really
want to sign up, log it, make an account etc. So there is a huge
disincentive to provide feedback to open office about stuff that people
think should be changed.

Assuming open office is trying to satisfy as many people as possible, then
if we don't like it, open office should change it.

Here's the thing:
It is very frustrating to simply type part of a line, then go to the next
line, and type part of a line without open office writer double spacing. So:

Want this:

Blah blah blah
Blah blah blah.

Get this:

Blah blah blah

Blah blah blah.

I can single space partial lines by carriage return without causing double
space on every app except open office writer; it automatically seems to
double space. I don't really care why it does this, or how to get around
it. Just change it, please!

It is very very frustrating, making it impossible to create a
professional-looking piece of writing.

Thanks,
Steve



Sounds like you want a piece of software that's engineered to your 
specifications and screw the rest of the world and what they prefer.  
Right?  Well, Open Office is open source which means you can modify it 
to do whatever you want it to.  But you probably want someone else to do 
it for you and for free, Right?.
How can you ever get a professional-looking piece of writing when you 
can't be bothered to learn how to operate the software?



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Spreadsheet

[Dale Erwin]

Believe it or not, I have never felt the need to use a spreadsheet for 
anything, so I have never made one.  I now find that I have a need for 
one and don't have the slightest idea where to begin.  Is there a 
tutorial which covers the very basics of building a spreadsheet?


Dale Erwin

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Re: ABC Spelling does not work

[Dale Erwin]

On 1/30/2015 11:31 AM, John Jay wrote:

HELP PLEASE  My ABC Spelling and Grammer DOES NOT WORK.  I have been 
repeatedly trying to get help to correct the problem to no avail.  I have 4.1.0.last updated 
1/29/15. It did not work before the update and does not work after, F7 shows F7 next to the 
mis-spelled word.  ABC auto spelling check does not work either, all it does in under line the 
whole page.

I am in my 80's, and not a computer guru so  PLEASE simple and understandable 
directions.

This is not my first request for this ABC help - to date no one seems to know 
what to do in simple terms. All I ever get is an answer a computer guru would 
not understand.

John Jay


Hey John,

I just turned 80 today (yea for me, never thought I'd make it).

What do you mean by ABC?  is that some sort or an app?  The only thing 
I'm aware of on AOO is under Options - Check Spelling. When all the 
words are underlined in red, it can mean a mismatch in your dictionary, 
but usually it means that you need to delete or rename your user 
profile.  If I recall correctly, you need to do this with AOO closed, 
otherwise it will recreate it in its current form as it closes.  If you 
delete it while AOO is closed, when you reopen AOO it will recreate the 
file from scratch.  You will then need to re-enter some basic 
information, but your dictionary should then function properly.


Dale Erwin


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Re: ABC Spelling does not work

[Dale Erwin]

On 1/30/2015 6:52 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
  
   -- replying below to --

From: Don Daugherty [mailto:ddaughe...@sunflower.com]
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 13:35
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Spam (8):Re: ABC Spelling does not work

On 1/30/2015 10:31 AM, John Jay wrote:
I'm a year short of 80 myself.  What is ABC  Spelling  Grammar?  i/s
/that something you're seeing in Apache Open Office Writer?  Where?  I
don't find it under Tools, and I don't find it in Help.


orcmid
   On the (default?) Writer toolbar, there are two buttons with ABC on them.  
One has a check mark (for checking grammar and spelling), and the other has a 
red sqiggle under the letters and it is for auto-spellcheck.  Under Tools - 
Spelling and Grammar ... you will see that F7 is the accelerator for that 
function.
   I don't know if our releases are so clever as to use alternatives to ABC 
that fit the language version of the product.
   I'm still a kid myself, but when my new driving license expires in 2021, I 
will be solidly in my 80s.
/orcmid
Whaddaya know... there they are and I never noticed them before. Shows 
to go you, you're never too old to learn something new.


Dale Erwin

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Re: I Need Help

[Dale Erwin]

On 12/8/2014 12:07 AM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 22:56 06/12/2014 -0500, Doug McGarrett wrote:

On 12/06/2014 03:20 PM, Phillip Smith wrote:
I have updated open Office to the current 4.1 version and now all 
words in a document are underlined as spelt wrong, alternatives are 
not offered. What is wrong.


What's wrong apparently is that there must be bug in the software. 
This complaint seems to surface about once a week or so. Why don't 
you file a bug report with OpenOffice. Then send another one to 
LibreOffice. LO must have copied it when they forked.


We can do better than just say just there must be a bug. Clearly 
something has gone wrong and it may be considered a bug in the 
application that this happens. But it is well understood that this 
situation occurs when the OpenOffice user profile becomes corrupt - 
for whatever reason - and there are simple ways to correct the problem.


By all means submit bug reports, but in order to be of any help you 
would probably need to determine what documents or what specific 
actions in OpenOffice were likely to cause profile corruption. When 
you do so, and can explain this in your bug reports, I'm sure many 
people will be delighted. Good luck!


Oh - unless you are planning to write just It doesn't work.

Brian Barker 


It seems to me that this seems to only happen when someone upgrades to a 
new version.  At least that's the only cases I've seen reported and it 
has never happened to me personally.


Dale Erwin

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Re: ASF Code of Conduct

[Dale Erwin]

On 11/21/2014 10:21 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

Recently, this contribution was being celebrated on the ASF Community dev list.  I 
think it is very useful to keep in mind when supporting users: 
http://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/conduct.html.

I find Rory's approach to be entirely within the spirit and I commend his 
gentility for emulation by others who want to support and encourage the users 
of Apache OpenOffice.

  - Dennis


I agree, Dennis, but I think that foreign language speakers should also 
be directed to the list in his own language (if one exists) because 
there are bound to be few speakers of that language on an 
English-speaking list such as this.  I, for example, do not speak 
French, but would not hesitate to help someone in a language I do 
speak... if, of course, I know the solution.  On a list in the poster's 
own language, one is always more likely to find an answer to their problem.


Of course, it should not be done in such a rude manner as was witnessed 
in this case.


Dale

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Re: Problème clavier

[Dale Erwin]

On 11/21/2014 12:26 PM, Doug wrote:
I would doubt that Chinese will ever become a world-wide language 
unless and until it converts to a Latin alphabet.


--doug 


Maybe unlikely, but it could happen.  It happened in Vietnam although 
many years ago.  Like most far east languages, Vietnamese used to be 
written in its own character set, but now it is written in a Latin 
alphabet, but uses many diacritical marks since it is a tonal language, 
as is Chinese.


Dale

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Re: Openoffice is terrible

[Dale Erwin]

On 10/18/2014 1:08 AM, michael sintros wrote:

Your software is so terrible that I lack the appropriate words to describe it.  
I have used version 4.0 for a long time now.  It functions... barely.  Using 
the side scroll bar in large documents, once you scroll to the bottom, it will 
not let you scroll back up.  This is incredibly mindbogglingly annoying.  The 
software also hijacks my middle mouse button and regardless of the application, 
will not function at all if the software is installed at all.  This is not only 
annoying but creepy.  Why if Openoffice is installed but not even open does it 
affect the behavior of other programs.  Ridiculous.


Now I see that 4.1 has been released.  With hope that some of these issues would be fixed 
I installed it on my computer.  It took several minutes for the program to not even open 
at all, giving me not responding messages, hijacking my computer so that I 
couldn't even do things in other applications and finally I had to force quit it.


If all of that weren't bad enough, I went on your support forum to talk about 
this but I can't even register.  Why?  Who the fuck knows.  It keeps telling me that I 
need a valid email address even though I've entered my email address about 800 times.


Not only are you people incapable of writing a fully functional program, but 
you can't even properly create a functional support forum for that 
malfunctioning garbage software.  Yes, it's free and I don't have to use it.  
Congratulations, you have created a piece of software that is not only not 
worth using for free but wouldn't be worth using if someone paid me to do so.

I, too, have been using  OpenOffice for a long time and I don't have any 
of the symptoms you describe.  I think there must be something else on 
your computer that is causing these problems.


Dale Erwin

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Re: please help me. I am trying to get a Microsoft wps email open in open office in English instead of the gibbage it is in now. am not computer smart and need all thehelp I can get.thanks marcy

[Dale Erwin]

On 9/3/2014 12:51 AM, marcu...@yahoo.com.INVALID wrote:
Microsoft Works is not the same as Microsoft Office.  In fact it has 
been discontinued.  However, there is a file converter which might be 
able to convert your file to a Microsoft Office file and then you can 
open it.  If you want to try that, I saw it here:


http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=12

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Re: Non-subscriber questions

[Dale Erwin]

On 8/27/2014 12:00 PM, Julian Thomas wrote:

On Aug 27, 2014, at 12:04, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:


This is exactly the spirit of this list. We very much prefer that users 
subscribe, and you'll hardly find a link to this list on our site that comes 
without the recommendation to subscribe. Still, it seems many users prefer to 
send a quick mail rather than using the forum, and this is why we currently 
allow non-subscribed members to post.

Is there any way that [without a lot of effort] a post from a nonsubscriber 
could trigger an email warning that he/she will not see the response unless 
subscribed?

-- -- --
jt   http://jt-mj.net

Silence is evidence of a superb command of the language


I think there is a limit as to how much hand-holding or baby-sitting 
should be expected.  There are thousands of mailing lists that offer 
tech support or rather community support for a multitude of products.  
Those that allow non subscribers to post and ask questions (knowing that 
a very large percentage of those will never see the answers) can be 
counted on one's fingers.  There must be a web page somewhere pointing 
to this mailing list (otherwise none of of us would have found it).  
Explain it there that only registered users can post to the list because 
that is the only way they can receive responses.  The moderators have 
plenty to do without having to verify that everyone who posts is registered.


Of course, with that comes the endless chain of complaints why can't I 
unsubscribe or stop sending me these messages which also come from 
users wanting someone else to do everything for them and can't be 
bothered to read the unsubscribe instructions at the bottom of every 
email they receive from the list.  As far as hiding these comments as 
part of the signatures, I've never seen an email client that hides 
signatures on an original email.  That would be foolish. They only hide 
them on the responses to those emails because the original senders don't 
need to see their own signatures.  Those who say otherwise are unwilling 
to admit that they are too lazy or too stupid to find and follow the 
instructions.


Either way, there will be some whiners.  I say let them whine!!! To 
someone who claims to be a newbie and doesn't understand the jargon, 
which really can be confusing to those unfamiliar with it, I would take 
the time to explain in non-technical terms ONE TIME. After that, their 
complaints would be relegated to an email filter. I don't know of any 
email client which doesn't provide such filters.


Just my not-so-humble opinion.

Dale Erwin
Jr. 28 de Julio 657 (Int. 3)
Magdalena del Mar
Lima 17, PERU

If there are users who still can't cope with these methods, my opinion 
is that they should find alternative methods to perform their tasks.


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Re: Languages within a document

[Dale Erwin]

On 8/1/2014 2:19 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:

Hello Dale,

On Fri, Aug 01, 2014 at 01:51:45AM -0500, Dale Erwin wrote:

On 8/1/2014 1:26 AM, Dale Erwin wrote:

It really doesn't matter what languages happen to be offered here,
as you can easily select More... at the bottom of the list,
whereupon you can choose from the full set of languages. Spelling
checking will be available in only those languages for which you
have spelling dictionaries installed.

This method of selecting language sets the local character property.
Remember that you may prefer to do this through character styles or
paragraph styles.


OK, just now, to test what you are telling me, I opened a new
document and entered some text in Spanish (nothing else in the
document) then I highlighted it, clicked on Tools - Language -
Selection and the only two languages offered are English (which is
checked I presume because English is set as the default language) and
Catalan.  So I clicked on More, as you suggest, and I get a dialog
box named character with tabs for Font, Font Effects, Position,
Hyperlink and Background.

That's probably all moot, because I just found a web page:
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Languagepack and it says: A
Language pack is a type of add-on for OpenOffice.org to get more
languages integrated without to install more than one Office set. It
contains only files to display, e.g., menus and dialogs in a specific
language incl. the spell checking libraries (since OOo 3.2). If
available the help content is also translated.

So evidently you are mistaken about the language packs not including
the spell checking LIBRARIES (not dictionaries), and now I am back at
square one.  I realize that Spanish and Catalan are very similar
languages, but I don't have Catalan installed and I do have Spanish
installed.

Language packs do not include dictionaries, only the full install sets
include them; this is a known issue tracked under
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124473

Dictionaries are extensions, so you have to search for a dictionary in
the extension's site: http://extensions.openoffice.org/

Concerning the list of languages offered on the Tools
- Language-For Selection|Paragraph|all text (you can access
a similar menu from the status bar control that displays the current
language), this list is built from a feature called language guessing,
and does not depend on the installed dictionaries. Language guessing
is just a guess, as its name says, so don't expect it to be 100%
reliable.

Concerning the Character dialog that you can open from the menu
Tools - Language - For Selection - More... (or from the context
menu: right-click on the selected text and select Character...), the
Language is an attribute of the Font, so you will find it on the
Font tab, in a list box. This location of the Language attribute is
rather misleading, ideally there should be a toolbar item to set the
language - something like
http://aoo-ui-extras.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/git.wiki/LanguageBox_dropdown.png

Also note the original suggestion made by Brian: instead of this way of
settings the language attribute (known as hard formatting), it is
better to use styles.


Regards


Yes, I searched the extensions site and all I found were what looked 
like 3rd party dictionaries and none for the two languages I need: 
Spanish and Italian.


I understand what you're saying that styles would be the better way to 
handle the language settings, but at this point what difference would it 
make if I don't have the dictionaries.  However, are not the spelling 
LIBRARIES (not dictionaries) mentioned above sufficient?  I don't know 
what the difference might be between a dictionary and a library.


I'm beginning to think that the split of OpenOffice/LibreOffice is going 
to be the death of this product.


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Re: Languages within a document

[Dale Erwin]

It really doesn't matter what languages happen to be offered here, as 
you can easily select More... at the bottom of the list, whereupon you 
can choose from the full set of languages. Spelling checking will be 
available in only those languages for which you have spelling 
dictionaries installed.


This method of selecting language sets the local character property. 
Remember that you may prefer to do this through character styles or 
paragraph styles.



OK, just now, to test what you are telling me, I opened a new document 
and entered some text in Spanish (nothing else in the document) then I 
highlighted it, clicked on Tools - Language - Selection and the only 
two languages offered are English (which is checked I presume because 
English is set as the default language) and Catalan.  So I clicked on 
More, as you suggest, and I get a dialog box named character with tabs 
for Font, Font Effects, Position, Hyperlink and Background.


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Re: Languages within a document

[Dale Erwin]

On 8/1/2014 1:26 AM, Dale Erwin wrote:


It really doesn't matter what languages happen to be offered here, as 
you can easily select More... at the bottom of the list, whereupon 
you can choose from the full set of languages. Spelling checking will 
be available in only those languages for which you have spelling 
dictionaries installed.


This method of selecting language sets the local character property. 
Remember that you may prefer to do this through character styles or 
paragraph styles.



OK, just now, to test what you are telling me, I opened a new document 
and entered some text in Spanish (nothing else in the document) then I 
highlighted it, clicked on Tools - Language - Selection and the only 
two languages offered are English (which is checked I presume because 
English is set as the default language) and Catalan.  So I clicked on 
More, as you suggest, and I get a dialog box named character with 
tabs for Font, Font Effects, Position, Hyperlink and Background.


That's probably all moot, because I just found a web page: 
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Languagepack and it says: A Language 
pack is a type of add-on for OpenOffice.org to get more languages 
integrated without to install more than one Office set. It contains only 
files to display, e.g., menus and dialogs in a specific language incl. 
the spell checking libraries (since OOo 3.2). If available the help 
content is also translated.


So evidently you are mistaken about the language packs not including the 
spell checking LIBRARIES (not dictionaries), and now I am back at square 
one.  I realize that Spanish and Catalan are very similar languages, but 
I don't have Catalan installed and I do have Spanish installed.


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Languages within a document

[Dale Erwin]

I have just recently installed AOO 4.1.0 in English plus language packs 
for Spanish and Italian under Win 7 Home Premium.  In Options, I 
selected English USA as my default language.


Earlier today, while editing a document in Writer, I selected Tools - 
Languages - Selection and the only language offered was English.  Later 
today, while editing a different document in English, I entered some 
text in Italian.  Then I highlighted it and went to Tools - Languages 
- Selection and found both English and Italian offered so I selected 
Italian.  Obviously it recognized the Italian text.  A while later, I 
entered some Spanish text, highlighted it and went to Tools - Languages 
- Selection and the only languages offered were English and Italian, 
with Italian checked even though I had not selected it.  Still later I 
entered some more Spanish text, highlighted it, went to Tools - 
Languages - Selection and it now offered me English, Italian and Catalan.


What gives?  Anyone have any idea?

Dale Erwin
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Re: open office vers 4

[Dale Erwin]

On 9/2/2013 11:50 AM, Dale Erwin wrote:

On 9/2/2013 3:59 AM, Armin Le Grand wrote:

Hi Dale,

On 30.08.2013 17:56, Dale Erwin wrote:

On 8/30/2013 3:32 AM, Armin Le Grand wrote:

Hi Dale,

On 29.08.2013 21:14, Dale Erwin wrote:
I've never had it crash on me either, but it has other 
shortcomings. For me, the deal-breaker was some sort of bug in pdf 
export.  On second thought, I guess what happens during pdf export 
is indeed a crash.  Every time I try to export my document with 
PDF/A-1a selected, I get a message from Windows (Win 7) saying 
that Open Office has stopped working.


This is an important thing. Do we have a bug report for this? Is it 
repeatable?
It will not be fixed when it's not properly reported. Developers 
eventually read in this user group, but better let them use their 
time to fix tasks. Thus, your very welcome and important donation 
to the project would be to write a bug report, maybe with examples. 
Please check before if there already is one. If yes, please mention 
the BugID when talking about it (as here).


Thanks in advance!


I have never made a bug report before.  How do I do it?


First, thanks for keeping us informed. You can register for Bugzilla: 
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/ and then write a task there.
If you have or can create a reduced example I can also do that for 
you, when I can reproduce it here, see below.




I have tried it at least a half dozen times always with the same 
results.  If I deselect PDF/A-1a it exports without crashing. If I 
select PDF/A-1a it crashes during export.


As far as attaching the offending document, it is a master document 
with 44 sub documents, a total of 566 pages when fully expanded. 
Seems that would be a lot of files to attach.


This is of course too much for a task in bugzilla. Often it is 
possible to reduce examples for tasks to relevant parts, in this case 
to the part which causes the crash. Do you have a hint which part 
crashes? Does that pasr alone crash? Maybe you have a simple example 
for the crash? Maybe someone else has one (many people are reading 
here). If yes, please, speak up!
You may isolate the problematic part retalively quick if it's 
possible to split your example always in two halfs, thus getting to a 
small example relatively quickly.




Earlier, someone posted a link to a bug report concerning PDF export 
from Print Preview.  I have no idea if this is the same bug or not.




To ensure this or to find out we will need your reduced example, too, 
no way around ;-)


OK, I copied all the files to a test folder (btw, I was mistaken, 
there are 49 sub files).  If I open the master document without 
expanding the sub files, it will export successfully.  Any one of the 
sub files will export successfully (well, I didn't try every one of 
them, but several).  I deleted all the sub files from the navigator 
except for two which are only 2 pages each, so there are a total of 
only 6 pages, and it crashes just as before.  Is that sufficiently 
abbreviated?


Unless I don't  understand the process, it seems to me that it is only 
possible to attach one file to the bug report.  Therefore I did not 
submit the bug.  I need to submit three files.  I imagine I could also  
do it with only two files, but that is still more than one.


--
Dale Erwin
Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03
Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU
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Re: open office vers 4

[Dale Erwin]

On 8/30/2013 3:32 AM, Armin Le Grand wrote:

Hi Dale,

On 29.08.2013 21:14, Dale Erwin wrote:
I've never had it crash on me either, but it has other shortcomings. 
For me, the deal-breaker was some sort of bug in pdf export.  On 
second thought, I guess what happens during pdf export is indeed a 
crash.  Every time I try to export my document with PDF/A-1a 
selected, I get a message from Windows (Win 7) saying that Open 
Office has stopped working.


This is an important thing. Do we have a bug report for this? Is it 
repeatable?
It will not be fixed when it's not properly reported. Developers 
eventually read in this user group, but better let them use their time 
to fix tasks. Thus, your very welcome and important donation to the 
project would be to write a bug report, maybe with examples. Please 
check before if there already is one. If yes, please mention the BugID 
when talking about it (as here).


Thanks in advance!


I have never made a bug report before.  How do I do it?

I have tried it at least a half dozen times always with the same 
results.  If I deselect PDF/A-1a it exports without crashing.  If I 
select PDF/A-1a it crashes during export.


As far as attaching the offending document, it is a master document with 
44 sub documents, a total of 566 pages when fully expanded. Seems that 
would be a lot of files to attach.


Earlier, someone posted a link to a bug report concerning PDF export 
from Print Preview.  I have no idea if this is the same bug or not.


--
Dale Erwin
Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03
Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU
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Re: Delete document

[Dale Erwin]

I normally use OS services to do that.

Dale Erwin
Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03
Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU
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On 8/22/2013 4:05 AM, Brian Allen wrote:

Hello,



Can anyone inform me how you delete a document or letter in Open Office Apache 
please?



brian



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Re: pop-up help I don't understand the problem

[Dale Erwin]

Even this is no good for 1 sheet (4 pages) per signature.  For the 
so-called perfect binding method, if there is more than one sheet per 
signature, then the sheets of each signature must be sewn together.  
More than one sheet per signature also results in uneven edges when the 
book is closed.


The only way I have been able to do this, after exporting to pdf and 
using the booklet function,  is to print pages 1 to 4, then pages 5 to 
8, then pages 9 to 12, etc.  This means that for a book of 200 pages, I 
have to run 200/4=50 print jobs.  I have one book which is a dictionary 
consisting of 566 pages which means I have to run 142 print jobs.  Of 
course, these figures only apply to printing on a printer with duplex 
capability.  Otherwise, these figures are doubled.


Dale Erwin
Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03
Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU
http://leather.casaerwin.org

On 8/14/2013 1:49 PM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:

On Wed, 14 Aug 2013 12:03:15 -0500
Dale Erwin d...@casaerwin.org wrote:


Unfortunately, this doesn't work too well for large documents, but it's
fine for documents of 2 to 4 sheets.  The larger documnts need to be
divided into smaller units.  I prefer one sheet per unit so that I can
fold them and bind them at home.  There is no easy way I have found to
do this.

The easiest way to do this is to Export as PDF. Then use a suitable PDF reader, 
such as Adobe Reader, to Print Booklet on a duplex printer. This will shrink 
the pages to the half size of the sheet and reorder the pages to the sheets in 
the correct order, permitting one to print binding signatures (groups) of 16, 
24 or 32 pages.




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Re: Exporting PDF from Master Document

[Dale Erwin]

There is only one user defined on this computer and it does have 
administrator authority.


Dale Erwin
Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03
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On 8/19/2013 7:32 AM, Denis J Navas wrote:
Try running with elevated rights.  That is, as administrator.  I have 
found that his solve some problems.



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Re: Exporting PDF from Master Document

[Dale Erwin]

While it very well might be the same bug, I'm not really sure.  I am not 
exporting from page preview. However, some further testing shows me that 
the reason for the crash was not that I had selected Print 
automatically inserted blank pages but  because on the Export dialog 
itself I had selected PDF/A-1a which my publisher advised me to select 
in order to get all fonts imbedded.


When I deselected PDF/A-1a it exported just fine including the 
generation of all automatically inserted blank pages.  But with 
PDF/A-1a selected, it crashes with and without Print automatically 
inserted blank pages selected.


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On 8/14/2013 4:12 AM, Oliver Brinzing wrote:

Hi,


I'm not really sure if that worked or not.   When I tried exporting to
PDF this time, I got a message from Windows saying:  OpenOffice 4.0.0
has stopped working.  A problem caused the program to stop working
correctly.  Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution

maybe this is bug:

writer crash on pdf export from page preview
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122868

Regards

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Re: pop-up help I don't understand the problem

[Dale Erwin]

Unfortunately, this doesn't work too well for large documents, but it's 
fine for documents of 2 to 4 sheets.  The larger documnts need to be 
divided into smaller units.  I prefer one sheet per unit so that I can 
fold them and bind them at home.  There is no easy way I have found to 
do this.


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On 8/14/2013 10:53 AM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 14:57 14/08/2013 +0200, Lillemor Munter wrote:
Using Open Office, working with a document, use tabeller, text and 
pictures.  The document will not hold my design, Al is all over when 
I do something new.  And this pop-up will come up now and then.  What 
is it?


...\Programblad 2013.odt\content.xml finns inte.  Vad betyder denna? 
Kommer fram när jag arbetar i Open Office.


I'm not sure how you are reaching this message.  Any .odt text 
document file is a zipped archive of a number of components, one of 
which is always content.xml.  If this component is genuinely missing 
from your .odt file, then the file is corrupt.  But it may be that, 
instead of opening the .odt file itself (as you should be), you are 
unzipping the .odt file and trying to open the content.xml file 
inside.  Open the .odt file directly instead. (Have you perhaps 
associated .odt with your zip utility, so that double-clicking an .odt 
file unzips it instead of opening it in OpenOffice?  If so, the quick 
workaround is to open the document file from inside OpenOffice using 
File | Open... .)


Vill ha 10st A4-sidor som sedan viks ihop till ett A5-häfte. Måste 
man göra varje sida för sig? Ej testat om formaten håller sig då - 
kanske. Men tungt jobba i typ 10-20 olika dokument för att få fram 
ett häfte.


This part is easy: OpenOffice does this well and calls this a brochure.
o Set your single document to have A5 pages in portrait orientation.
o Create the document normally.
o Go to File | Printer Settings... | Properties... and set your 
printer to use A4 paper in landscape orientation.
o Go to Tools | Options... | OpenOffice Writer | Print | Pages and 
tick Brochure.  (Alternatively you can tick this in the print dialogue 
at File | Print... | Options... | Pages | Brochure.)


OpenOffice will rearrange the various (double-sided) pages so that you 
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AOO 4.0.0 unusable

[Dale Erwin]

For my current needs, AOO 4.0.0 is unusable.  Unfortunately, the 
installation program removed my prior version.  Is there any way I can 
get a copy of the previous version to install?  Will the two co-exist?


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Re: Exporting PDF from Master Document

[Dale Erwin]

I'm not really sure if that worked or not.   When I tried exporting to 
PDF this time, I got a message from Windows saying:  OpenOffice 4.0.0 
has stopped working.  A problem caused the program to stop working 
correctly.  Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution 
is available.


Windows did close the program, but I have received no notification.
  :-)
Like I was expecting one.

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On 8/13/2013 4:17 PM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:

On Tue, 13 Aug 2013 16:00:27 -0500
Dale Erwin d...@casaerwin.org wrote:


I am trying to export a printable PDF document from a master document in
Writer (AOO 4.0.0 Win7) and cannot find the option to generate
automatically inserted blank pages.  I also was unable to find this
option when printing the document directly from Writer.

As best as I can remember, the last time I did this, this option was
prominent, but it may have been pre Apache OOo.


/Tools /Options /OpenOffice Writer : Print -under Other: Print automatically 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?

[Dale Erwin]

This is especially true with the advent of the newer wide screen 
monitors.  Thee's lots of space on the sides that would give more room 
at the top and bottom so that visualization of an entire document 
wouldn't make the text so small it can't be seen by my tired old eyes.


And it gets compounded in the browser with the number of software 
packages out there that try to add another toolbar to your browser 
whether you want it or not.


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On 8/4/2013 2:35 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Just out of curiosity has anyone tried the Apache OpenOffice 4.0 yet?

I really liked the sound of the toolbar down the side so i just gave it a quick 
go.  I was a tad disappointed to find that toolbar was in addition to the ones 
we both already have at the top and mostly was just a duplication of many of 
those buttons.  However 1st time try-outs of new things seldom go completely 
smoothly!  lol

I would really like to see both LO and AOO go this route and faster.  At the moment 
all programs seem intent on making the screen more and more like a letter-box slit 
with more and more wasted space at the sides and more and more crammed in at the 
topbottom.

It's becoming tougher and tougher to see a whole document all at the same time.
Regards from
Tom :)









From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com
To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; users@openoffice.apache.org; 
us...@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2013, 1:29
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?


Thanks, Tom. I always disable quickstarter as a matter of course.

Virgil

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Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:13 PM
To: Virgil Arrington ; users@openoffice.apache.org ;
us...@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?

Hi :)
I think it's the same conflicts as between any 2 versions of LibreOffice or
any 2 versions of AOO or OOo.  Basically avoid having both open at the same
time.  That might mean turning off the Quickstarter of both of them.

This link might help
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel#Windows
Regards from
Tom :)







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Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 20:38
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Conflicts?


Are there any known conflicts with having LO 4.0.4 and AOO 4.0 installed on
the same computer? In my never-ending, obsessive (and admittedly futile)
search for computing perfection, I want to try both programs to see which
better meets my techno-needs.

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Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.0 is now available

[Dale Erwin]

BTW, did I read that is necessary to uninstall 3.4 before installing 4.0?

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On 7/30/2013 6:18 PM, Dale Erwin wrote:

Ciao Andrea,

At Tools - Options - OpenOffice.org - Online Update I find that 
Check for updates automatically is selected as is Every Week and 
it also reports Last checked: 07/29/13, 05:08:00PM which was several 
hours before I sent that email. This must be the default, because I 
have never seen this page before.


However, if I manually click on the Check Now  button, it does find 
that 4.0.0 is available, but I did not download it yet. Wonder why I 
never received the notice.


I have now enabled Download updates automatically and I will not 
manually download 4.0 for a while longer just to see if this works.  
I'm also going to change it to check Every Day for a while so that I 
don't have to wait another week.


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On 7/30/2013 2:12 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

Dale Erwin wrote:

I have deliberately delayed installing version 4.0 because I wanted to
test the notification process. It has been stated that AOO checks 
once a

week for available new versions.


This depends on your configuration. You may have update checks turned 
off or set to a different period. Tools - Options - OpenOffice[.org] 
- Online Updates.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: [DISCUSS] ODF file formats vs Zip

[Dale Erwin]

I don't think that's true.  I think that if you close a document without 
saving, it will revert back to its state before opening it even if it 
has been autosaved during the editing process.  Only if you explicitly 
save it will you be unable to do that.  It's as though the only purpose 
of autosave is the event of a system failure.  In the even of a system 
failure you have the option at reboot of recuperating all changes made 
up to the last autosave, but you can decline.


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On 6/23/2013 5:37 AM, Hagar Delest wrote:

Le 10/06/2013 02:16, Richard Detwiler a écrit :
Also, I don't know if this is the case with auto-save, but when 
manually saving, I'm pretty sure that things can not be undone 
prior to the save. If this is indeed the case with auto-save, this is 
another very good reason not to use it. You may have done something 
you really want to undo, but if the auto-save happens, you can't. 
(Again, I'm not positive whether this is the case with auto-save like 
with manual save, but I'm guessing it may be.)


No. The auto-save operation does not reset the undo history (same with 
standard save).


Hagar

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Re: [DISCUSS] ODF file formats vs Zip

[Dale Erwin]

Are you saying that if, while editing a document, I do an explicit save, 
I can still use the undo feature for anything I have changed during the 
current session?


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On 6/23/2013 5:37 AM, Hagar Delest wrote:

Le 10/06/2013 02:16, Richard Detwiler a écrit :
Also, I don't know if this is the case with auto-save, but when 
manually saving, I'm pretty sure that things can not be undone 
prior to the save. If this is indeed the case with auto-save, this is 
another very good reason not to use it. You may have done something 
you really want to undo, but if the auto-save happens, you can't. 
(Again, I'm not positive whether this is the case with auto-save like 
with manual save, but I'm guessing it may be.)


No. The auto-save operation does not reset the undo history (same with 
standard save).



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Re: Calc: Easy way to do N+(N-1)+(N-2)+(N-3)..(N-N+1)

[Dale Erwin]

I don't think that n can be zero.

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On 6/21/2013 1:37 PM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 18:27 21/06/2013 +, Jonathon 'Toki' Kantoor wrote:
Is there a formula, extension, or something in calc that enables one 
to calculate the sum of 1..N, where N is an integer between 0 and 100 
000 000?


Yes.  Sigma (1 to n) is n(n+1)/2.


If so, what is the formula, extension, or something?


=Xn*(Xn+1)/2

I trust this helps.

Brian Barker



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Re: [Possible values for n]

[Dale Erwin]

I realize that a variable can take any value, but some mathematical 
functions limit the possible values. It's been a long time for me, but I 
thought this particular function was stated as Sigma 1 to n = n*(n + 1) 
/ 2 (where n  1).  You don't really have a series if n is not  1.

Or it might have been (where n  0).

If you did allow the series to run backward (from 1 to 0) you would get 
Sigma 1 to 0 = 0 * 1 / 2 which evaluates to 0.


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On 6/21/2013 5:06 PM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 16:01 21/06/2013 -0500, Dale Erwin wrote:

I don't think that n can be zero.


Oh, it can - as can x, y, z, or whatever!  As is well known in 
mathematics, a variable can take any value.


Brian Barker


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Re: Codes

[Dale Erwin]

Word Perfect has been a long time ago for me.  When you say reveal 
codes do you mean show the formatting codes?  If so, just click on 
theView menu and then on Nonprinting Characters.


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On 6/20/2013 6:54 PM, Patricia Hickin wrote:

Is there any way to reveal codes in OO (the way you can in WordPerfect)?

I am having a problem with the following:

I am preparing a list of books as follows:

In a table of two columns, I insert an image of the book cover in the first
(a narrow) column.  In the 2nd column I put info about the book: title,
author, publisher  date.

I have obtained the info from www.worldcat.org, compiled a list of the
books, copied the list into Notepad to strip it of formatting.  Next I
copied the list into an OO text document and formatted it as follows:

font Calibri  color black
title: 18 point bold italic
author  publishing info (two separate lines):  15 point regular.

For some reason, OO is changing the color of the publishing info to blue.
  I change it to black. but when I save it the color switches to blue!!

It is driving me crazy!!!

Any ideas??  Thanks!!

Pat




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Re: Codes

[Dale Erwin]

My experience has been that I have to start all over with learning 
styles every time I start a new book.  Especially since I rarely use the 
same format for two in a row.


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On 6/20/2013 8:15 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:

Wow, Doug, tell us how you really feel. ;)

Like you, I was a WordPerfect devotee for many years as our employer 
used it. I bought a copy for my home computer and was very happy. 
Then, my employer switched to Word. We all freaked, thinking the world 
would end without our beloved reveal codes. My secretary even walked 
out of the office and didn't return for three days. It was not a happy 
time.


I then started learning Word with its styles-based formatting. At 
about the same time, I downloaded what was then StarOffice and used it 
at home (I wasn’t about to pay several hundred dollars for Word). Over 
time, I learned how to use styles and now, with styles, I can make my 
programs sing and dance.


I wouldn't dream of going back to WP. I still have it on my computer 
to read documents sent to me by others, and every time I load it, it 
looks like a techno-dinosaur.


Reveal codes? Why? With a styles-based program, there are no codes to 
reveal. The fact that WP needs reveal codes shows how truly easy it is 
to screw things up in a WP document. You can change so many parameters 
in mid-paragraph, often by accident, and you can spend a lot of time 
trying to track it down. Not so with a styles-based program.


Obviously, WP works for you, which is fine, but in my experience, I 
found that with styles, I can accomplish my work much, much faster, 
AND get consistent formatting results document wide, which is very 
important when you have a document with multiple headings and other 
specially formatted paragraphs. With WP, I not only had to proofread 
my text, but also my formatting to make sure it was consistent.


Styles have set me free.



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Re: [DISCUSS] ODF file formats vs Zip

[Dale Erwin]

At my age, I can't be trusted to remember to save it with enough 
frequency to be beneficial, so I'd rather suffer the few moments' 
delay rather than lose several hours of work which has happened to me in 
other apps that don't have such a feature.


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On 6/9/2013 7:16 PM, Richard Detwiler wrote:

Girvin R. Herr wrote:




Probably like you, I find the few seconds it takes to save the file 
irritating sometimes, especially since only about one keystroke is 
saved while it is going on. Worse, it seems destined (designed?) to 
pick a time that is the most irritating to me - just as I start 
something, rarely when I am just looking at what I have written 
and/or thinking about something. Better, would be to have the save go 
on in the background, while one continues working. If that is too 
dangerous, take a snapshot into a temporary file and save that - all 
in the background. One should not even be aware that a save is going 
on in the background. If it really bothers you, you can turn the 
autosave off in the Tools-Options dialog. I also check the Always 
create backup file (.bak) in the same dialog. This acts much like 
the old editors and word processors - saving the original before any 
editing takes place. The downside is the risk of losing a whole day's 
work, and the restore after LO crash function.

Girvin Herr




I always have auto-save off for those reasons, and instead I'm in the 
habit of very frequently saving the file (which takes about half a 
second using Ctrl+S (on Windows, may be different on other operating 
systems). That way, the save can happen when I want it to (like when 
I'm looking at what I've written or thinking about something ...).


Also, I don't know if this is the case with auto-save, but when 
manually saving, I'm pretty sure that things can not be undone prior 
to the save. If this is indeed the case with auto-save, this is 
another very good reason not to use it. You may have done something 
you really want to undo, but if the auto-save happens, you can't. 
(Again, I'm not positive whether this is the case with auto-save like 
with manual save, but I'm guessing it may be.)


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Re: Zooming in

[Dale Erwin]

I have the same problem.  It used to be much worse, but I found a 
setting in the mouse/touchpad driver that disables the touchpad whenever 
another pointing device is plugged in.  After bootup is complete, I now 
get a message on my desktop that the touchpad has been disabled.  
However, the mouse still does not behave very well.   I can sit back and 
take my hands off the computer altogether and watch the cursor dance 
around all over the screen.  Sometimes it's worse than at others, but it 
always does a little dancing.  It's especially annoying when trying to 
place the pointer on a certain place and before I can click it moves 
away all on its own so I back it up and it jumps again.  Sometimes it 
makes me want to scream.  Mine's a Dell with Win 7 Home Prem.


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On 5/7/2013 9:07 PM, Patricia Hickin wrote:

My computer zooms in on OpenOffice (and other) screens without my telling
it to.
(I have a laptop with touchpad).  I know it has something to do with the
way I'm using my fingers on the touchpad but I can't quite figure out how
to avoid it.

Is there any way I can disable this feature?  It drives me crazy.

(It happens with other programs too.)

Thanks,

Pat




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Re: Problems with inserting graphics, columns

[Dale Erwin]

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On 5/5/2013 9:08 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

2013/5/5 Patricia Hickin pph...@gmail.com:

Is this the place to get help with a text document?
I am trying to insert a picture and put text to the right of the image.  I
can put text above or below, but not beside the image.

What did you try? I had no problems at all doing this.


Also I want to divide the page into two columns, beginning about 2 or 3
inches from the top, but instead it divided the entire page into two
columns.
So, two questions:

How to get text to the right of an image?


1. Insert your image.
2. Right click the image, click ”Image…” (or whatever it says; I run
OpenOffice in Swedish).


It's Picture on mine.

3. Select the Text adjustment tab (I don't have a clue what its
English name is, just select one that seems to do what you want…).

Wrap

4. Select what you think will give you the result you want.

Or:
1. See 1 above.
2. Right click the image, click Text adjustment (or whatever the
English name is), click one of the options that seem to do what you
want.



  and how to divide a page into two or more columns, beginning 2-3 from the
top?

1. Select the text that you want to have in two columns.
2. Click Insert → Section (again, I'm not sure about the English name
of this option).
3. Click the column tab of the new dialogue that pops up and edit the
settings to suit your needs.


Thanks,
Pat


You're welcome…
Johnny Rosenberg

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Re: not saving documents

[Dale Erwin]

Even if the disk were full, just doing nothing is not an appropriate 
response to an attempt to save or save as.


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On 4/16/2013 11:10 AM, Kadal Amutham wrote:

But the youngsters have the ability the fill the hard disk, whatever may be
the size.

With Warm Regards

V.Kadal Amutham
919444360480
914422396480


On 16 April 2013 21:38, Ron Davis rjdavis...@yadtel.net wrote:


It is a brand new computer hardly used because I keep switching back to my
PC.  I got it Christmas.

Ron Davis
rjdavis...@yadtel.net

Ronald Davis
Executive Coach
336-463-5393

Success is not final and failure is not fatal, it is the courage to
continue that counts. - Winston Churchill

On Apr 16, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote:


The probability is the disk might have been full

With Warm Regards

V.Kadal Amutham
919444360480
914422396480


On 16 April 2013 20:28, Ron Davis rjdavis...@yadtel.net wrote:


I loaned my granddaughter my Macbook for two weeks and when I got it

back

I suddenly cannot save documents.  When I edit a document and hit save

as

nothing happens.


Ron Davis
rjdavis...@yadtel.net


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Opening an existing document

[Dale Erwin]

In previous versions of OOo, when an existing document was opened in 
writer (I don't know about other components), it was opened at the same 
place in the document where it was closed the time beffore.  I find that 
function rather useful and do not understand why it has been 
eliminated.  Would it be possible to get it back?


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Re: Opening an existing document

[Dale Erwin]

That sounds like an awful lot of work for my use.  I would have to do 
that 50 times a day, and how do you get rid of the previous bookmark 
when  you set a new one?


I think I will just use my Portable copy of OOo 3.2.0, from Sun, which 
does have the behavior I like.


Dale Erwin
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Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU
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On 4/10/2013 1:17 PM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 12:34 10/04/2013 -0500, Dale Erwin wrote:
In previous versions of OOo, when an existing document was opened in 
writer (I don't know about other components), it was opened at the 
same place in the document where it was closed the time before.  I 
find that function rather useful and do not understand why it has 
been eliminated. Would it be possible to get it back?


This is not an answer to your question, but there are two facilities 
useful as workarounds: reminders and bookmarks.  Set reminders by 
opening the Navigator and clicking the (paper clip) Set Reminder 
icon.  Set bookmarks at Insert | Bookmark... or again through the 
Navigator.  You can get back to bookmarks and reminders in various 
ways, using the Navigator or the Navigation toolbar (which are 
different things).  It is a good idea to get used to exactly how to 
use these, which is perhaps not well explained in the help text.  Note 
that - once you have configured it - you can use the effect of the 
Navigation toolbar directly from the three buttons at the bottom of 
the vertical scroll bar. Probably the simplest way to return to a 
bookmark is to right-click in the Page Number field at the left of the 
Status Bar (at the foot of the window) and select the appropriate 
(named) bookmark from the context menu.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker



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Re: Opening an existing document

[Dale Erwin]

Thanks, Rory, that took care of it... and I didn't have to restart the 
Quickstarter.  I just restarted writer.  This will be a real time-saver 
for me.


Dale Erwin
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On 4/10/2013 1:30 PM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:

On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 12:34:40 -0500
Dale Erwin d...@casaerwin.org wrote:


In previous versions of OOo, when an existing document was opened in
writer (I don't know about other components), it was opened at the same
place in the document where it was closed the time beffore.  I find that
function rather useful and do not understand why it has been
eliminated.  Would it be possible to get it back?



If you refer having the document opening at the last editing position, you need 
to enter a name in
/Tools /Options /OpenOffice.org /User Data on Windows / Linux machines. I'm not 
certain, but you may need to restat OpenOffice completely for this to take 
(including the Quickstarter).

(Similar path on Macs under Preferences)



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Re: Deleting pages

[Dale Erwin]

No, Print Preview does not show the automatically inserted blank pages.  
At least, it doesn't on my system.  On my documents, in Print Preview, 
the only hint that blank pages have been inserted is in the page 
numbers.  If one chapter ends on a right page, the next chapter 
automatically begins on a right page so a left page is inserted to cause 
this to happen.  Right pages always have odd-numbered pages, so if one 
chapter ends on, say, page 21, the next chapter will begin on page 23 so 
you know that blank page 22 was inserted.  However, if you export to 
pdf, the pdf file will have the blank pages.


Dale Erwin
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Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU
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On 3/12/2013 3:03 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote:
Your message is not clear if your blank pages are in Writer or the 
printed output.  If the latter, another cause may be when jumping to 
another right or left page from the same page style.  Writer inserts a 
blank page to make that jump.  See also Printer Options - Other - 
Print Automatically Inserted Blank Pages.  This happens if you are on 
a left page for example and insert a manual page break with a style 
that starts on a left page.  Then, a blank right page will be inserted 
to get to that new left page. This usually shows your page numbers 
jumping by 2 but not a blank page in Writer itself.  I would expect 
the preview would show the blank page, however, since it is displaying 
what the printed output would be.

Hope this helps
Girvin Herr




Klaus Muth wrote:

There two main reasons to have blank pages:
1. Invisible content: Use View/Nonprinting Charakters (Ctrl-F10), look
   for whitespace characters and delete them
2. Manual page breaks: you see a dashed line between the last page and
   the blank page. Click on last page and hit backspace until the blank
   page disappeares.

Am 11.03.2013 21:31, schrieb Gary Beers:
How do you delete blank pages,  My document has 3 pages, and one is 
blank when previewed and I cant get rid of it.

Gary Beers
gary.be...@frontier.com




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Re: Open Office/Star Office

[Dale Erwin]

Yes, OpenOffice.org was the free version of StarOffice.


Minor correction:
StarOffice was Sun's commercial version of OpenOffice.org.


To me, both those sentences say the same thing.

Dale Erwin
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Re: using tinyurl or is.gd

[Dale Erwin]

The whole point about tinyurls being untrustworthy is that they hide the 
real url and you never know what you are actually clicking on.  Many 
unscrupulous people take advantage of that to send malicious links to 
all sorts of places and so now people are hesitant to click on such a 
link unless he knows and trusts the person who sent it.  Someone else 
pointed out that with is.gd it is possible to preview the site to see 
where you are going before actually following the link.  It has nothing 
to do with a link getting corrupted.


Dale Erwin
Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03
Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU
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On 2/24/2013 3:33 PM, Ernie Kurtz wrote:

Thanks, Jeff, you answered my question thoroughly:  is.gd URLs are trustworthy 
so long as the site to which they point is legitimate.  I assume the same is 
true for tinyurls, but with so many being warned about them, it would seem 
wiser not to use tinyurl (even though I prefer all lower case to is.gd's 
melange).  And from what the link you sent says, it seems wise to avoid .ly 
domains.  What is gd, by the way, Greenland?

Thanks again.

ernie


On Feb 24, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Jeffrey Deutsch wrote:


On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Ernie Kurtzkurtz...@umich.edu  wrote:

James and Jeffrey and Andrea, thank you!  I do appreciate the warnings.

Now a related question:  is it possible to corrupt an already tied URL?  I am 
working toward primarily print publication:  if I put a tinyurl or is.gd link 
in print, for the reader to key in, can it somehow be corrupted?  Even if there 
is an electronic version of what I write, can a link given in that format be 
corrupted?  I have been under the impression that malware lurked in URLs posted 
online.  Is that incorrect?

ernie kurtz



Hello Ernie,

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by a URL being corrupted. I can say
that at least with is.gd, once the URL is set it can't be changed
(including being redirected to a malware or other bad site). So once
you shorten a link to a good site, it stays that way (as long as the
site itself does).

Incidentally, if you're shortening a link yourself, reconsider the
wisdom of doing so in bit.ly:

http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/2010/10/the-ly-domain-space-to-be-considered-unsafe/

(That URL comes from is.gd.)

PS: Feel free to call me Jeff - Thanks!

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Auto Format

[Dale Erwin]

I have been trying for some time now to find how to regulate or change 
or even disable this behavior.  It does not happen in open text, but 
only in a table.  iF I type a fraction, when I tab out of the box, it 
seems to change it into a date.  For example if I type 1/64 it changes 
it to 01/01/64, or 1/32 is changed to 01/01/32. Oddly enough, if I type 
1/16 it changes it to 01/16/13.  If, after this happens, I go to the 
Edit menu and select Undo Auto Format (or something like that), it 
changes it back to the original fraction, BUT IT PLACES THE CURSOR BACK 
AND IT IS CHANGED AGAIN TO A DATE WHEN I TAB OUT.  Sorry for raising my 
voice, but I wanted that part noticed.


Can someone please tell me where to find the control for this behavior 
so that I can disable it?


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Re: Odd behavior in Writer

[Dale Erwin]

Yes, when I turned on my laptop this morning, the touchpad was turned ON 
again so it looks as though I will just have to include that step in my 
routine for starting up each session.  And turning the touchpad off does 
seem to have cured the problems I was having... except for the automatic 
changing of font size in the Firefox editor.  That one is still bugging 
me... but that is a topic for another forum.


Dale Erwin
Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03
Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU
http://leather.casaerwin.org

On 12/27/2012 12:40 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 19:44:50 -0500
Dale Erwin d...@casaerwin.org wrote:


Well, it seems that the touchpad was not disabled after all.  Maybe it
has to be done each time I turn the thing on.  I also have noticed now
(didn't notice it before) that when the touchpad is tuned OFF, a small
led lights up above it, so that should be a good indicator for me.  I
sure hope this solves the problem because I've been tearing my hair out
(and I can't afford to lose any more of that).

Dale Erwin
Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03
Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU
http://leather.casaerwin.org

On 12/26/2012 7:22 PM, Dale Erwin wrote:

Rory and Dennis and Virgil, thanks but...

I had a laptop before but I did not use it much.  It was (and still
is) my wife's machine) so I learned a long time ago that I can't
tolerate the touchpad.  Since the first day I got this new laptop, I
have been using a USB mouse and have the touchpad disabled.  However,
now that I read so many similar reports, I've been deliberately trying
to make the cursor move with the touchpad and it seems like it does
still move the cursor around.

This just might be a deal breaker.  I also find that when typing
messages here in this Firefox editor that the font size just changes
all by itself while I'm typing.

Dale Erwin
Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03
Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU
http://leather.casaerwin.org

On 12/26/2012 2:59 PM, VA wrote:

I feel confident that your touchpad is the culprit.

Sometimes, my touchpad will sense the slightest brush of my thumb.
Sometimes, if I even slightly move my thumb over the pad, it will
actually highlight text and as soon as I type another letter, it will
replace all the selected text with my next letter. I then have to hit
Ctrl-z to undo my mistake.

If you haven't used a laptop with touchpad before, it can be quite
annoying.

I have found two ways to deal with it. First, before typing, use the
touchpad to move the cursor arrow to a benign area of the screen,
such as a blank area in the toolbar or menu bar. Then continue
typing. If you brush the touchpad, nothing will happen.

Also, in your computer settings, you can turn off the tapping feature
of the touchpad, so that you have to actually click the touchpad
buttons. I don't really like this solution as I find the touchpad tap
feature useful (when I actually want it.)

Virgil

-Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 1:14 PM
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: RE: Odd behavior in Writer

My experience is that if the hand is resting on the laptop surface,
the touchpad can detect pressure on the case as movement.  The
symptoms are exactly as described.

Try working with the hands not resting/pressing on the case. The USB
mouse is still a good idea, although it doesn't deactivate the
touchpad from side pressure responses.  (It removes one hand from
resting on the laptop case though [;).

- Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Rory O'Farrell [mailto:ofarr...@iol.ie]
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 09:42
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Odd behavior in Writer

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 12:33:04 -0500
Dale Erwin d...@casaerwin.org wrote:


I have recently (last October) acquired a new laptop and got rid of my
desktop.  It's a Dell with Intel quad-core processor, 8GB RAM, 1TB HDD
running Win 7 Home Premium.  I believe that when I installed OpenOffice
on this machine it was the first time I had used version 3.4.1. I think
my desktop had 3.3 on it but I can't swear to that.  The reason I
mention this, is that I'm not sure which is to blame for this
behaviour,
OOo or the new laptop.

I am editing my book manuscript which has a master file and over 50
individual chapter files.  Anyway, this is what is happening: When I am
in the midst of editing a file, the cursor will jump from it's position
to some other seemingly random position with no warning... even if my
hands are not touching it, so I know it is not something I am doing by
accident and not noticing.

Also, I keep all the files set at View - Zoom - Variable 120%.  For
no apparent reason, with no input from me, the size will change or the
file will shift position in the window.Sometimes it does both at the
same time.

This is very, very, very irritating.

--
Dale Erwin,

Such behaviour was reported on the Forum when AOO 3.4 first came out
(or else OOo 3.3 - I'm not certain).  It appeared as if it might

Re: Odd behavior in Writer

[Dale Erwin]

Rory and Dennis and Virgil, thanks but...

I had a laptop before but I did not use it much.  It was (and still is) 
my wife's machine) so I learned a long time ago that I can't tolerate 
the touchpad.  Since the first day I got this new laptop, I have been 
using a USB mouse and have the touchpad disabled.  However, now that I 
read so many similar reports, I've been deliberately trying to make the 
cursor move with the touchpad and it seems like it does still move the 
cursor around.


This just might be a deal breaker.  I also find that when typing 
messages here in this Firefox editor that the font size just changes all 
by itself while I'm typing.


Dale Erwin
Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03
Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU
http://leather.casaerwin.org

On 12/26/2012 2:59 PM, VA wrote:

I feel confident that your touchpad is the culprit.

Sometimes, my touchpad will sense the slightest brush of my thumb. 
Sometimes, if I even slightly move my thumb over the pad, it will 
actually highlight text and as soon as I type another letter, it will 
replace all the selected text with my next letter. I then have to hit 
Ctrl-z to undo my mistake.


If you haven't used a laptop with touchpad before, it can be quite 
annoying.


I have found two ways to deal with it. First, before typing, use the 
touchpad to move the cursor arrow to a benign area of the screen, such 
as a blank area in the toolbar or menu bar. Then continue typing. If 
you brush the touchpad, nothing will happen.


Also, in your computer settings, you can turn off the tapping feature 
of the touchpad, so that you have to actually click the touchpad 
buttons. I don't really like this solution as I find the touchpad tap 
feature useful (when I actually want it.)


Virgil

-Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 1:14 PM
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: RE: Odd behavior in Writer

My experience is that if the hand is resting on the laptop surface, 
the touchpad can detect pressure on the case as movement.  The 
symptoms are exactly as described.


Try working with the hands not resting/pressing on the case.  The USB 
mouse is still a good idea, although it doesn't deactivate the 
touchpad from side pressure responses.  (It removes one hand from 
resting on the laptop case though [;).


- Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Rory O'Farrell [mailto:ofarr...@iol.ie]
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 09:42
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Odd behavior in Writer

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 12:33:04 -0500
Dale Erwin d...@casaerwin.org wrote:


I have recently (last October) acquired a new laptop and got rid of my
desktop.  It's a Dell with Intel quad-core processor, 8GB RAM, 1TB HDD
running Win 7 Home Premium.  I believe that when I installed OpenOffice
on this machine it was the first time I had used version 3.4.1. I think
my desktop had 3.3 on it but I can't swear to that.  The reason I
mention this, is that I'm not sure which is to blame for this behaviour,
OOo or the new laptop.

I am editing my book manuscript which has a master file and over 50
individual chapter files.  Anyway, this is what is happening: When I am
in the midst of editing a file, the cursor will jump from it's position
to some other seemingly random position with no warning... even if my
hands are not touching it, so I know it is not something I am doing by
accident and not noticing.

Also, I keep all the files set at View - Zoom - Variable 120%.  For
no apparent reason, with no input from me, the size will change or the
file will shift position in the window.Sometimes it does both at the
same time.

This is very, very, very irritating.

--
Dale Erwin,


Such behaviour was reported on the Forum when AOO 3.4 first came out 
(or else OOo 3.3 - I'm not certain).  It appeared as if it might have 
been due to inadvertent contact with the touchpad; as a temporary 
solution I suggest plugging in a USB mouse and covering the touchpad 
with a piece of heavy card, taped on, card thick enough to mask any 
touchpad contact.  This ought quickly establish if the culprit is the 
touchpad; if so, then you might adjust its settings to render it less 
sensitive. In doing this temporary masking, you haven't altered any 
settings, simply physically masked off the touchpad.

Re: Odd behavior in Writer

[Dale Erwin]

Well, it seems that the touchpad was not disabled after all.  Maybe it 
has to be done each time I turn the thing on.  I also have noticed now 
(didn't notice it before) that when the touchpad is tuned OFF, a small 
led lights up above it, so that should be a good indicator for me.  I 
sure hope this solves the problem because I've been tearing my hair out 
(and I can't afford to lose any more of that).


Dale Erwin
Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03
Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU
http://leather.casaerwin.org

On 12/26/2012 7:22 PM, Dale Erwin wrote:

Rory and Dennis and Virgil, thanks but...

I had a laptop before but I did not use it much.  It was (and still 
is) my wife's machine) so I learned a long time ago that I can't 
tolerate the touchpad.  Since the first day I got this new laptop, I 
have been using a USB mouse and have the touchpad disabled.  However, 
now that I read so many similar reports, I've been deliberately trying 
to make the cursor move with the touchpad and it seems like it does 
still move the cursor around.


This just might be a deal breaker.  I also find that when typing 
messages here in this Firefox editor that the font size just changes 
all by itself while I'm typing.


Dale Erwin
Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03
Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU
http://leather.casaerwin.org

On 12/26/2012 2:59 PM, VA wrote:

I feel confident that your touchpad is the culprit.

Sometimes, my touchpad will sense the slightest brush of my thumb. 
Sometimes, if I even slightly move my thumb over the pad, it will 
actually highlight text and as soon as I type another letter, it will 
replace all the selected text with my next letter. I then have to hit 
Ctrl-z to undo my mistake.


If you haven't used a laptop with touchpad before, it can be quite 
annoying.


I have found two ways to deal with it. First, before typing, use the 
touchpad to move the cursor arrow to a benign area of the screen, 
such as a blank area in the toolbar or menu bar. Then continue 
typing. If you brush the touchpad, nothing will happen.


Also, in your computer settings, you can turn off the tapping feature 
of the touchpad, so that you have to actually click the touchpad 
buttons. I don't really like this solution as I find the touchpad tap 
feature useful (when I actually want it.)


Virgil

-Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 1:14 PM
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: RE: Odd behavior in Writer

My experience is that if the hand is resting on the laptop surface, 
the touchpad can detect pressure on the case as movement.  The 
symptoms are exactly as described.


Try working with the hands not resting/pressing on the case. The USB 
mouse is still a good idea, although it doesn't deactivate the 
touchpad from side pressure responses.  (It removes one hand from 
resting on the laptop case though [;).


- Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Rory O'Farrell [mailto:ofarr...@iol.ie]
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 09:42
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Odd behavior in Writer

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 12:33:04 -0500
Dale Erwin d...@casaerwin.org wrote:


I have recently (last October) acquired a new laptop and got rid of my
desktop.  It's a Dell with Intel quad-core processor, 8GB RAM, 1TB HDD
running Win 7 Home Premium.  I believe that when I installed OpenOffice
on this machine it was the first time I had used version 3.4.1. I think
my desktop had 3.3 on it but I can't swear to that.  The reason I
mention this, is that I'm not sure which is to blame for this 
behaviour,

OOo or the new laptop.

I am editing my book manuscript which has a master file and over 50
individual chapter files.  Anyway, this is what is happening: When I am
in the midst of editing a file, the cursor will jump from it's position
to some other seemingly random position with no warning... even if my
hands are not touching it, so I know it is not something I am doing by
accident and not noticing.

Also, I keep all the files set at View - Zoom - Variable 120%.  For
no apparent reason, with no input from me, the size will change or the
file will shift position in the window.Sometimes it does both at the
same time.

This is very, very, very irritating.

--
Dale Erwin,


Such behaviour was reported on the Forum when AOO 3.4 first came out 
(or else OOo 3.3 - I'm not certain).  It appeared as if it might have 
been due to inadvertent contact with the touchpad; as a temporary 
solution I suggest plugging in a USB mouse and covering the touchpad 
with a piece of heavy card, taped on, card thick enough to mask any 
touchpad contact.  This ought quickly establish if the culprit is the 
touchpad; if so, then you might adjust its settings to render it less 
sensitive. In doing this temporary masking, you haven't altered any 
settings, simply physically masked off the touchpad.








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Re: Oracle Bad news JDK 6 will no longer be free which screws AOO usage

[Dale Erwin]

It was my understanding that the only thing in OO that was dependent 
upon Java was the database engine (HSQLDB) which is coded 100% in Java.  
I used OS/2 and eComStation until I reached the point that I could not 
install it on my new hardware, and the OS/2 version of OOo worked just 
fine without Java, including databases using other dbms solutions.  I 
even used HSQLDB under eComStation until it reached the point they 
needed a realease of Java later than 1.4.1.  After that I was unable to 
use later versions of HSQLDB.


Dale Erwin
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Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU
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On 12/12/2012 3:48 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote:



Scooter C wrote:

Why has this issue not been mentioned?

last publicly available release of Oracle JDK 6 is to be released in 
*February, 2013*.
This means that after February 19, 2013, all newsecurity updates #, 
patches and fixes for Java SE 6 and Java SE 5 will only be available 
through My Oracle Support and will thus require a commercial license 
with Oracle


http://www.oracle.com/us/dm/sev10013091-index-1881597.html?msgid=3-7555351270 



Take Care.
Scooter
College Park, MD USA

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I don't have an answer to why this has not been mentioned in this 
forum.  It has now!
And I just went through the pain of creating an Oracle account to gain 
access to their archives for the old (Java 6) versions!
Time to resurrect Blackdown Java? 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackdown_Java
What about that Free Software Foundation (GNU) Java?  I have a Java RE 
called Free Software Foundation 1.4.2 on my Slackware Linux 12.2 
system.  A look at their website looks like it is no longer active.


Maybe it is time for AOO to either code for Java 7 or remove Java 
dependencies altogether.
Keep in mind that AOO is not the only app that uses Java.  Mozilla 
immediately comes to mind.  They will most likely have to change also.

Girvin Herr



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