subject:"Re\: \[users\] \[moderated\]"



On 8/26/2010 4:33 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:

 On 26/08/2010 09:59, Carlo Strata wrote:

Hi Johnny,

are you sure that Gail doesn't mean Writer and wrote Word only because he usually said Word? 
Because he come from the Microsoft suite?


I think so...



You are probably right. Unfortunately Word is becoming a generic term for Word Processor 
rather like Hoover has become a generic term for Vacuum Cleaner..


No hoovering in the US -- guess the company defended its trademark more vigorously here! There are 
a lot of common-use terms that really shouldn't be used, though, like Thermos and Kleenex for 
example. I think that the companies can actually lose control over the name if they don't actively 
defend it.


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Re: [users] [moderated]


 On 8/26/2010 3:55 AM, Carlo Strata wrote:

Hi Everyone!

in my head:

- the term moderated means that someone/a software appliance reads the mail and change something 
in it to make message more soft for human eyes (moderate it!) *before* send it to the list; this 
is a behavior that *all* posts (sub and unsub) may be subjected (!!!); this happen in the lists 
all over the world;


On this list, and the others for OOo, it means only that the sender is not subscribed and that a 
human is deciding whether to pass the message along to the list. There is no team that reviews all 
messages prior to their going to the list, and no message text is ever changed; AFAIK, the 
moderators could not do so, they can only pass or reject the message in its entirety. It may be 
possible to set up a structure and a team that allows the kind of activity you are referring to 
(though almost certainly not while we're using CollabNet/ezmlm), but so far there have been very few 
people who will do the current moderation, and increasing their responsibilities at this point seems 
unlikely to help with that.


- the term [non subscriber] or [not subscriber] are exactly describing what actually and now is 
happening in our lists and so are more suitable;


- if you use to moderate mails/posts in mailing lists only for non subscriber and so there is a 
one-to-one relation between the first two things, this is lists choice, but far to be clear in 
many non owner people!!! And this take to frequently mail to thread answers that think moderated 
means like in my first point/element to make them know that the mean are the second in my list! 
All, but nice! All, but intuitive!


If you want to eat an apple, you ask for an apple!
If you want to eat a pizza, you go to Naples and ask for a pizza!

If you want to say a mail is from a non subscriber person, you tag it with non subscriber 
string (also if in your system that is for some ignored cause equivalent to a commonly different 
meaning term/word!!!).


Isn't it?

If you want be clear, be clear! You'll see less people sending answer for non subscriber user only 
to the target list!


If you want to be perfect change flag to:
[non subscriber, please answer both him and the list]

;-)

Carlo


But the tag itself is applied only to a small subset of the unsubscribed posters; most have no tag 
at all, other than the (buried) Delivered-To header. There is also the fact that once the tag is in 
the subject line, it carries through to all posts in the thread unless manually removed, and the 
actual OP's address is not retained. So chances are excellent that somebody coming in later in the 
thread will respond not to the OP, but to the sender of the message to which they are responding. 
(This is likely to be a problem with the current tagging, as well.) Finally, since the tag is 
carried along throughout the thread, the longer it is the less of the actual subject (if any!) is 
visible to people deciding whether or not to follow the thread. So there would perhaps be a 
completely unambiguous tag, but that's likely to provide a false sense of security that messages 
without the tag are necessarily from subscribers. That's common enough already, and any change to 
the tag is likely to confuse people who are used to the current system into thinking that there has 
been an actual change in implementation. If we were looking for real, useful information in a tag, 
the best in my opinion would be john...@isp.com is not subscribed -- but the cost for this is 
probably way higher than the benefit. There are definitely better solutions to be found that would 
apply to all messages from unsubscribed posters.


It's entirely understandable that you'd like moderated to follow its primary dictionary 
definition, but here it's used more in the sense of the moderator of a panel discussion or debate, 
who basically maintains order in who is given the chance to speak. Isn't English great?!


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Re: [users] [moderated]


Carlo Strata wrote:

Hi Everyone!

in my head:

- the term moderated means that someone/a software appliance reads the 
mail and change something in it to make message more soft for human 
eyes (moderate it!) *before* send it to the list; this is a behavior 
that *all* posts (sub and unsub) may be subjected (!!!); this happen in 
the lists all over the world;


- the term [non subscriber] or [not subscriber] are exactly describing 
what actually and now is happening in our lists and so are more suitable;


- if you use to moderate mails/posts in mailing lists only for non 
subscriber and so there is a one-to-one relation between the first two 
things, this is lists choice, but far to be clear in many non owner 
people!!! And this take to frequently mail to thread answers that think 
moderated means like in my first point/element to make them know that 
the mean are the second in my list! All, but nice! All, but intuitive!


If you want to eat an apple, you ask for an apple!
If you want to eat a pizza, you go to Naples and ask for a pizza!

If you want to say a mail is from a non subscriber person, you tag it 
with non subscriber string (also if in your system that is for some 
ignored cause equivalent to a commonly different meaning term/word!!!).


Isn't it?

If you want be clear, be clear! You'll see less people sending answer 
for non subscriber user only to the target list!


If you want to be perfect change flag to:
[non subscriber, please answer both him and the list]

;-)

Carlo



Hi Carlo,

As a moderator on another list, I can say that I have two choices.  I 
can Accept or Reject a message.  If the message pertains to the 
list, I accept by replying to the message it is attached to.  If it does 
not pertain to the list I just delete the messages.  There is no ability 
to soften the text, to added tags or edit the Subject or text of the 
message.  This is all due to the way the list software is setup.


There is one item added by the software for moderated message and that 
is a header line  Delivered-To: moderator for users@openoffice.org. 
That is what I and others use to tag the message as from an 
unsubscribed poster.


HTH
Andy

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Re: [users] [moderated]


Barbara Duprey wrote:

 On 8/26/2010 3:55 AM, Carlo Strata wrote:

Hi Everyone!

in my head:

- the term moderated means that someone/a software appliance reads 
the mail and change something in it to make message more soft for 
human eyes (moderate it!) *before* send it to the list; this is a 
behavior that *all* posts (sub and unsub) may be subjected (!!!); this 
happen in the lists all over the world;


On this list, and the others for OOo, it means only that the sender is 
not subscribed and that a human is deciding whether to pass the message 
along to the list. There is no team that reviews all messages prior to 
their going to the list, and no message text is ever changed; AFAIK, the 
moderators could not do so, they can only pass or reject the message in 
its entirety. It may be possible to set up a structure and a team that 
allows the kind of activity you are referring to (though almost 
certainly not while we're using CollabNet/ezmlm), but so far there have 
been very few people who will do the current moderation, and increasing 
their responsibilities at this point seems unlikely to help with that.




One other thing that needs to be pointed out, when you start
moderating text you become responsible for the content of the
messages.  Removing complete message because of spam is one thing
changing text is a whole different legal problem.

The list is either a carrier or a Content Provider.  The legal
aspects are different.

Andy



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Re: [users] [moderated]

2010-08-26 Thread Carlo Strata


Il 26/08/2010 18:59, RA Brown ha scritto:

Barbara Duprey wrote:

On 8/26/2010 3:55 AM, Carlo Strata wrote:

Hi Everyone!

in my head:

- the term moderated means that someone/a software appliance reads
the mail and change something in it to make message more soft for
human eyes (moderate it!) *before* send it to the list; this is a
behavior that *all* posts (sub and unsub) may be subjected (!!!);
this happen in the lists all over the world;


On this list, and the others for OOo, it means only that the sender is
not subscribed and that a human is deciding whether to pass the
message along to the list. There is no team that reviews all messages
prior to their going to the list, and no message text is ever changed;
AFAIK, the moderators could not do so, they can only pass or reject
the message in its entirety. It may be possible to set up a structure
and a team that allows the kind of activity you are referring to
(though almost certainly not while we're using CollabNet/ezmlm), but
so far there have been very few people who will do the current
moderation, and increasing their responsibilities at this point seems
unlikely to help with that.



One other thing that needs to be pointed out, when you start
moderating text you become responsible for the content of the
messages. Removing complete message because of spam is one thing
changing text is a whole different legal problem.

The list is either a carrier or a Content Provider. The legal
aspects are different.

Andy



I think here we were discussing two things:

- how to avoid list lost (!), thread lost or thread break, when 
subscriber answer to a non subscriber post; I think all of us agree to 
avoid this (if you accept the non subscriber post, for the thread 
content richness and usefulness, it is also convenient to grant thread 
integrity); how to change things to reach this is a list admin and 
moderator technical task;


- solving or not the first thing, if the term [moderated] is 
appropriate/suitable to suggest people what the mailing system does 
related to a non subscriber post so that they can choose what they want 
to do answering that post. My previous mail was meant to say no: the 
term is not suitable, is not appropriate! Barbara explain that the term 
is used to indicate that the mailing system knows the sender is not a 
subscriber but for some reasons/rules decides to forward in the same way 
the 'external' message to the list. Perfect, ok, but this doesn't help 
people (non technical people: the most ones!) to best behave and avoid 
first point trouble. Does it? My suggest were made only to address this 
trouble, improving the tag/term clearness.



Finally, none want here to modify the message content, I was only 
speaking about (my) moderated mean.



Il 26/08/2010 17:07, RA Brown ha scritto:
 There is one item added by the software for moderated message and that
 is a header line  Delivered-To: moderator for users@openoffice.org.
 That is what I and others use to tag the message as from an
 unsubscribed poster.

 HTH
 Andy

I understand this, it's ok, but the clearness for normal (non technical 
people), always addressing the first thing above (!), is still loosen: 
there isn't.


Imho.

Carlo

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Re: [users] [moderated]


Norman Henke wrote:

I am perplexed. All I want to do is open some WKS spreadsheets so I can use
them. I get a display in arabic with no menu option to change the  display.
All this and 30 minutes to download everthing after paying $29.95. What
would be your solution to my problem?
 
Norm Henke




First, get your money back.  OpenOffice.org is a free/open source 
program.  Got to www.openoffice.org and click download, if your not 
offered the correct version for your language and operating system then 
select Get all platforms and languages to select the correct version.


HTH
Andy

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Re: [users] [moderated]

2010-08-26 Thread James Knott


Norman Henke wrote:

I am perplexed. All I want to do is open some WKS spreadsheets so I can use
them. I get a display in arabic with no menu option to change the  display.
All this and 30 minutes to download everthing after paying $29.95. What
would be your solution to my problem?

Norm Henke

   
It sounds like you paid for OpenOffice, when you didn't have to.  It is 
a free download from www.openoffice.org and is available in several 
languages.  I suggest you contact whoever you paid, or your credit card 
company, to have your charge reversed.



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Re: [users] [moderated]

2010-08-26 Thread Sigrid Carrera

Hi Norman,

2010/8/25 Norman Henke normhe...@cox.net:
 I am . All I want to do is open some WKS spreadsheets so I can use
 them. I get a display in arabic with no menu option to change the  display.
 All this and 30 minutes to download everthing after paying $29.95. What
 would be your solution to my problem?

I don't know, what you're talking about. Did you download
OpenOffice.org? What surprises me, is, that you mention that you've
paid $30 for the download. If you got OpenOffice.org, that is a free
download, that you can get from this website: http://openoffice.org .

Which program produces .wks files? I'm not familiar with this type of
document, so I can not comment on it.

It would be helpful, if you could tell us, what you've downloaded (and
from where), which operation system you're using.

Please reply to the list only, not to me directly.
Thanks.

Sigrid

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Re: [users] [moderated]


Carlo Strata wrote:


I think here we were discussing two things:

- how to avoid list lost (!), thread lost or thread break, when 
subscriber answer to a non subscriber post; I think all of us agree to 
avoid this (if you accept the non subscriber post, for the thread 
content richness and usefulness, it is also convenient to grant thread 
integrity); how to change things to reach this is a list admin and 
moderator technical task;


If the non-subscriber replies to the list address, the thread will be 
maintained, even if it goes through the moderator.  When replying to a 
non-subscriber the add the address as a CC or To for the message, 
placing a note for the posted to rely to the list, not directly.


- solving or not the first thing, if the term [moderated] is 
appropriate/suitable to suggest people what the mailing system does 
related to a non subscriber post so that they can choose what they want 
to do answering that post. My previous mail was meant to say no: the 
term is not suitable, is not appropriate! Barbara explain that the term 
is used to indicate that the mailing system knows the sender is not a 
subscriber but for some reasons/rules decides to forward in the same way 
the 'external' message to the list. Perfect, ok, but this doesn't help 
people (non technical people: the most ones!) to best behave and avoid 
first point trouble. Does it? My suggest were made only to address this 
trouble, improving the tag/term clearness.


So far the only time I have seen Moderated in the subject is when the 
subject line is left blank.  The only way to prevent and of this, and it 
has been discuss here and in the discuss list, is to require that anyone 
posting be subscribed to the list.


Finally, none want here to modify the message content, I was only 
speaking about (my) moderated mean.


I understand what you mean by moderated, but it is a very narrow 
definition that is not part of what the mailing list software allows.



Il 26/08/2010 17:07, RA Brown ha scritto:
  There is one item added by the software for moderated message and that
  is a header line  Delivered-To: moderator for users@openoffice.org.
  That is what I and others use to tag the message as from an
  unsubscribed poster.
 
  HTH
  Andy

I understand this, it's ok, but the clearness for normal (non technical 
people), always addressing the first thing above (!), is still loosen: 
there isn't.


I would like to see some way of making it clearer to people that the 
poster is not subscribed but for now is not possible.


Andy

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Re: [users] [moderated]

On 8/26/2010 2:45 PM, Carlo Strata wrote:

Il 26/08/2010 18:59, RA Brown ha scritto:

Barbara Duprey wrote:

On 8/26/2010 3:55 AM, Carlo Strata wrote:

Hi Everyone!

in my head:

- the term moderated means that someone/a software appliance reads
the mail and change something in it to make message more soft for
human eyes (moderate it!) *before* send it to the list; this is a
behavior that *all* posts (sub and unsub) may be subjected (!!!);
this happen in the lists all over the world;

On this list, and the others for OOo, it means only that the sender is
not subscribed and that a human is deciding whether to pass the
message along to the list. There is no team that reviews all messages
prior to their going to the list, and no message text is ever changed;
AFAIK, the moderators could not do so, they can only pass or reject
the message in its entirety. It may be possible to set up a structure
and a team that allows the kind of activity you are referring to
(though almost certainly not while we're using CollabNet/ezmlm), but
so far there have been very few people who will do the current
moderation, and increasing their responsibilities at this point seems
unlikely to help with that.

One other thing that needs to be pointed out, when you start
moderating text you become responsible for the content of the
messages. Removing complete message because of spam is one thing
changing text is a whole different legal problem.

The list is either a carrier or a Content Provider. The legal
aspects are different.

Andy

I think here we were discussing two things:

- how to avoid list lost (!), thread lost or thread break, when subscriber answer to a non
subscriber post; I think all of us agree to avoid this (if you accept the non subscriber post, for
the thread content richness and usefulness, it is also convenient to grant thread integrity); how
to change things to reach this is a list admin and moderator technical task;

- solving or not the first thing, if the term [moderated] is appropriate/suitable to suggest
people what the mailing system does related to a non subscriber post so that they can choose what
they want to do answering that post. My previous mail was meant to say no: the term is not
suitable, is not appropriate! Barbara explain that the term is used to indicate that the mailing
system knows the sender is not a subscriber but for some reasons/rules decides to forward in the
same way the 'external' message to the list. Perfect, ok, but this doesn't help people (non
technical people: the most ones!) to best behave and avoid first point trouble. Does it? My
suggest were made only to address this trouble, improving the tag/term clearness.

Finally, none want here to modify the message content, I was only speaking
about (my) moderated mean.

Il 26/08/2010 17:07, RA Brown ha scritto:
There is one item added by the software for moderated message and that
is a header line Delivered-To: moderator for users@openoffice.org.
That is what I and others use to tag the message as from an
unsubscribed poster.

HTH
Andy

I understand this, it's ok, but the clearness for normal (non technical people), always addressing
the first thing above (!), is still loosen: there isn't.

Imho.

Carlo

Carlo, I would estimate that of a hundred posts from unsubscribed users, at most five would have the
[moderated] tag. With the scarcity of resources to deal with problems, as well as the other points I
made earlier, how can effort to fix this be justified -- if it is even feasible under the current
CollabNet/ezmlm structure? And please realize that *any* change to the tag, no matter how
technically justifiable, introduces confusion for the many people who are used to the way it works
now. I've been following this list for years, and this is the first time I've seen a complaint about
the wording of the tag. Its presence or absence, yes, but not the actual word being used. And the
other 95 posts would still have the problem of people not getting the responses to their questions.

As a stopgap measure, I think if those of us who notice such things would dig up the old.nabble.com
thread link, send it to the user, and let the list know that's been done (whether the [moderated]
tag is there or not) so nobody else needs to do anything, it would help far more than any changing
of the tag, and without requiring any changes in list administration. When the changeover from
CollabNet is done, there hopefully will be a cleaner solution that neither requires subscription
(list traffic is overwhelming to many) nor sparks discussions like this one.

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Re: [users] [moderated]


 On 8/25/2010 4:30 PM, Norman Henke wrote:

I am perplexed. All I want to do is open some WKS spreadsheets so I can use
them. I get a display in arabic with no menu option to change the  display.
All this and 30 minutes to download everthing after paying $29.95. What
would be your solution to my problem?

Norm Henke


I'd recommend that you either get the Go-OO version that supports Works files (and which is also 
free, as is OOo itself), or use your favorite search engine to find a program that converts the 
files to .doc (or .rtf, though that may capture as much information) format. Standard OOo will then 
work with the files.


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Re: [users] [moderated] WKS OOo

2010-08-26 Thread jonathon


Norman Henke wrote:
All I want to do is open some WKS spreadsheets 


If that WKS spreadsheet is from:

* Microsoft Works, then download OxygenOffice from
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/ooop/;
* Deskmate, then hire somebody to write a program to convert them to ODF;
* Apple ][, then hire somebody to write a program to convert them to ODF;
* Lotus 123, then your current version of OOo _should_ open it. (I've 
forgotten which versions of Lotus 123 OOo can open.  However, the WKS 
file specifications were stable for most of its life on Dos and OS/2.)


* Something else, then we'll need more data, but it probably will 
require writing a program to convert it to ODF format.



I get a display in arabic with no menu option to change the display.


Assuming you are using OOo, then:
Tools Options Language Language Settings User Interface, and 
select English, or whatever language you want the UI to be in, from the 
drop down menu.


I don't have an Arabic UI on this installation, so I can't do a screen 
shot showing what/where those commands are.


All this and 30 minutes to download everything after paying $29.95. 


I don't know who you paid your $29.95 to, but I'd suggest contacting 
them for support.


users@openoffice.org is a mailing list, whose respondents volunteer 
their time and energy to helping people use OpenOffice.org.


OOo itself is distributed gratis from http://download.openoffice.org/.



jonathon



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Re: [users] [moderated] - NO MENTION OF MS OUTLOOK

2010/8/23 sky.sales sky.sa...@verizon.net:
 I'm a small business.  I have a couple of quick questions before I download
 OPENOFFICE:

 1.       I've used MS Outlook as my MANAGER of documents in Word and
 MSExcel. Will any or all of the OPENOFFICE.ORG programs work with MS
 OUTLOOK?

Sorry, don't know. I don't have Windows → I don't have Outlook


 2.       If not can you give me some suggestions on how I can or could
 convert my usage to OPENOFFICE.ORG?

The easiest way is probably to not change at all. Feel free to do what
you think is best for you.


 3.       Are there any plans to introduce and OUTLOOK type program to the
 OPENOFFICE SUITE?

No, and there will probably never be. There are already too many
applications out there that does the same thing. Try Evolution, for
example. I think it's available for Windows these days.



Regards

Johnny Rosenberg





 Best Regards,



 Bob Huesman

 Sky Sales



 Sky Sales

 Manufacturers Representatives

 Website:  www.skysales.net http://www.skysales.net/

 email:  sky.sa...@verizon.net

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Re: [users] [moderated]

2010-08-25 Thread Carlo Strata


Il 24/08/2010 05:35, Gail Severin ha scritto:

Where is the bar code for envelopes addresses in Word?  I really need the
bar codes option.  If there is none on this program that I have, can an
update be created adding that option?  Thanks.  Gail Severin
gvse...@suddenlink.net




Hi Gail,

many answer to you only in the mailing list so that you didn't receive 
and read their useful answer, so subscribe this list for the future 
and/or browse directly here:

http://www.openoffice.org/mail_list.html#general

and here for your thread (this one)
http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?list=usersby=threadfrom=2405760

I suggest you this links:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/openbarcodes/

http://sourceforge.net/search/?words=barcodes+USmailtype_of_search=softwords=barcodes+USmailsearch=Search

in the last one you could change the criteria as you need.

Carlo

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Re: [users] [moderated] - NO MENTION OF MS OUTLOOK

2010-08-25 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker


 On 23/08/2010 18:16, sky.sales wrote:


1.   I've used MS Outlook as my MANAGER of documents in Word and
MSExcel. Will any or all of the OPENOFFICE.ORG programs work with MS
OUTLOOK?


Eh? Outlook is a PIM not a document filing system. As a long-time user 
of MS Office to advanced level I cannot envisage how on earth you use a 
PIM as a Document Manager...




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Re: [users] [moderated]

On 8/25/2010 8:52 AM, Carlo Strata wrote:

Il 24/08/2010 05:35, Gail Severin ha scritto:

Where is the bar code for envelopes addresses in Word? I really need the
bar codes option. If there is none on this program that I have, can an
update be created adding that option? Thanks. Gail Severin
gvse...@suddenlink.net

Hi Gail,

many answer to you only in the mailing list so that you didn't receive and read their useful
answer, so subscribe this list for the future and/or browse directly here:

http://www.openoffice.org/mail_list.html#general

and here for your thread (this one)
http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?list=usersby=threadfrom=2405760
snip

The main problem with an unsubscribed user trying to use the OOo archive is that it is not
conversational. If a question is asked for clarifying a problem, so a better answer can be provided,
the unsub would really have to copy the question into a new e-mail, add the response, and then send
the message to the list (messing up threading). Also, this response will continue to need
moderation, adding the delay time into the process. Using the list's thread command allows natural
response, but still has the delay, and subject line changes break the thread. So far, the best
technique I've seen is to use old.nabble.com (or Gmane, but that seems more complicated); the first
reply will require the unsub to confirm the e-mail address is active, but thereafter their messages
will be injected and not need any moderation. Still far from ideal, primarily because OOo has no
control. I'm hoping that the Kenai implementation will solve this whole issue!

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Re: [users] [moderated] - NO MENTION OF MS OUTLOOK

2010/8/25 Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com:
  On 23/08/2010 18:16, sky.sales wrote:

 1.       I've used MS Outlook as my MANAGER of documents in Word and
 MSExcel. Will any or all of the OPENOFFICE.ORG programs work with MS
 OUTLOOK?

 Eh? Outlook is a PIM not a document filing system. As a long-time user of MS
 Office to advanced level I cannot envisage how on earth you use a PIM as a
 Document Manager...

Well, some people use OpenOffice.org Writer as a type writer and some
people manually calculate numbers with a calculator and then enter the
result in a cell in OpenOffice.org Calc… There are people for
everything in this world…

Regards

Johnny Rosenberg

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Re: [users] [moderated] - NO MENTION OF MS OUTLOOK

2010/8/25 Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com:
 2010/8/25 Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com:
  On 23/08/2010 18:16, sky.sales wrote:

 1.       I've used MS Outlook as my MANAGER of documents in Word and
 MSExcel. Will any or all of the OPENOFFICE.ORG programs work with MS
 OUTLOOK?

 Eh? Outlook is a PIM not a document filing system. As a long-time user of MS
 Office to advanced level I cannot envisage how on earth you use a PIM as a
 Document Manager...

 Well, some people use OpenOffice.org Writer as a type writer and some
 people manually calculate numbers with a calculator and then enter the
 result in a cell in OpenOffice.org Calc… There are people for
 everything in this world…

 Regards

 Johnny Rosenberg


Besides, I actually created a game in OpenOffice.org Calc (with
OpenOffice.org Basic)… Not a very advanced game, but still…


Regards

Johnny Rosenberg

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Re: [users] [moderated] - NO MENTION OF MS OUTLOOK

2010-08-25 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker


 On 25/08/2010 18:31, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

2010/8/25 Gordon Burgess-Parkergbpli...@gmail.com:

  On 23/08/2010 18:16, sky.sales wrote:

1.   I've used MS Outlook as my MANAGER of documents in Word and
MSExcel. Will any or all of the OPENOFFICE.ORG programs work with MS
OUTLOOK?

Eh? Outlook is a PIM not a document filing system. As a long-time user of MS
Office to advanced level I cannot envisage how on earth you use a PIM as a
Document Manager...

Well, some people use OpenOffice.org Writer as a type writer and some
people manually calculate numbers with a calculator and then enter the
result in a cell in OpenOffice.org Calc… There are people for
everything in this world…


Whatever - but as a (recently) retired Systems Accountant I cannot even 
begin to understand how anyone can use an EMAIL. CONTACTS and CALENDAR 
application to manage DOCUMENTS...



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Re: [users] [moderated] - NO MENTION OF MS OUTLOOK

2010-08-25 Thread James Wilde


On Aug 25, 2010, at 19:31 , Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

 2010/8/25 Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com:
  On 23/08/2010 18:16, sky.sales wrote:
 
 1.   I've used MS Outlook as my MANAGER of documents in Word and
 MSExcel. Will any or all of the OPENOFFICE.ORG programs work with MS
 OUTLOOK?
 
 Eh? Outlook is a PIM not a document filing system. As a long-time user of MS
 Office to advanced level I cannot envisage how on earth you use a PIM as a
 Document Manager...
 

Can the OP be referring to what I seem to remember is called the journal 
functionality of Outlook, whereby one can link documents of any Office type to 
different events, and, in effect, have a journal of every document created on a 
certain date.  And I seem to remember that one can click on the journal entry 
and open the document.  Perhaps this is what he means by managing his documents 
in Outlook.

//J
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Re: [users] [moderated] - NO MENTION OF MS OUTLOOK

2010-08-25 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker


 On 25/08/2010 19:39, James Wilde wrote:

On Aug 25, 2010, at 19:31 , Johnny Rosenberg wrote:


2010/8/25 Gordon Burgess-Parkergbpli...@gmail.com:

  On 23/08/2010 18:16, sky.sales wrote:

1.   I've used MS Outlook as my MANAGER of documents in Word and
MSExcel. Will any or all of the OPENOFFICE.ORG programs work with MS
OUTLOOK?

Eh? Outlook is a PIM not a document filing system. As a long-time user of MS
Office to advanced level I cannot envisage how on earth you use a PIM as a
Document Manager...

Can the OP be referring to what I seem to remember is called the journal 
functionality of Outlook, whereby one can link documents of any Office type to 
different events, and, in effect, have a journal of every document created on a 
certain date.  And I seem to remember that one can click on the journal entry 
and open the document.  Perhaps this is what he means by managing his documents 
in Outlook.



He could be but that's an ACTIVITY manager where you manage documents, 
emails, appointments, telephone calls, notes etc on a per-Contact basis...


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Re: [users] [moderated]

2010-08-25 Thread Carlo Strata


Il 25/08/2010 17:43, Barbara Duprey ha scritto:

On 8/25/2010 8:52 AM, Carlo Strata wrote:

Il 24/08/2010 05:35, Gail Severin ha scritto:

Where is the bar code for envelopes addresses in Word? I really need the
bar codes option. If there is none on this program that I have, can an
update be created adding that option? Thanks. Gail Severin
gvse...@suddenlink.net




Hi Gail,

many answer to you only in the mailing list so that you didn't receive
and read their useful answer, so subscribe this list for the future
and/or browse directly here:
http://www.openoffice.org/mail_list.html#general

and here for your thread (this one)
http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?list=usersby=threadfrom=2405760

snip


The main problem with an unsubscribed user trying to use the OOo archive
is that it is not conversational. If a question is asked for clarifying
a problem, so a better answer can be provided, the unsub would really
have to copy the question into a new e-mail, add the response, and then
send the message to the list (messing up threading). Also, this response
will continue to need moderation, adding the delay time into the
process. Using the list's thread command allows natural response, but
still has the delay, and subject line changes break the thread. So far,
the best technique I've seen is to use old.nabble.com (or Gmane, but
that seems more complicated); the first reply will require the unsub to
confirm the e-mail address is active, but thereafter their messages will
be injected and not need any moderation. Still far from ideal,
primarily because OOo has no control. I'm hoping that the Kenai
implementation will solve this whole issue!



Hi Barbara,

A first good step would be to change [moderated] to, e.g., [non sub] 
or [non subscriber], and leave the [moderated] flag with his correct 
mean also if unused at this moment. Isn't it?


Carlo

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Re: [users] [moderated]

2010/8/24 Gail Severin gvse...@suddenlink.net:
 Where is the bar code for envelopes addresses in Word?

I don't have a clue. This mailing list is for OpenOffice.org, not
Microsoft Word. I guess they have their own mailing lists.



Regards

Johnny Rosenberg


  I really need the
 bar codes option.  If there is none on this program that I have, can an
 update be created adding that option?  Thanks.  Gail Severin
 gvse...@suddenlink.net





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Re: [users] [moderated] - NO MENTION OF MS OUTLOOK


 On 8/25/2010 2:06 PM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:

 On 25/08/2010 19:39, James Wilde wrote:

On Aug 25, 2010, at 19:31 , Johnny Rosenberg wrote:


2010/8/25 Gordon Burgess-Parkergbpli...@gmail.com:

  On 23/08/2010 18:16, sky.sales wrote:

1.   I've used MS Outlook as my MANAGER of documents in Word and
MSExcel. Will any or all of the OPENOFFICE.ORG programs work with MS
OUTLOOK?

Eh? Outlook is a PIM not a document filing system. As a long-time user of MS
Office to advanced level I cannot envisage how on earth you use a PIM as a
Document Manager...
Can the OP be referring to what I seem to remember is called the journal functionality of 
Outlook, whereby one can link documents of any Office type to different events, and, in effect, 
have a journal of every document created on a certain date.  And I seem to remember that one can 
click on the journal entry and open the document.  Perhaps this is what he means by managing his 
documents in Outlook.




He could be but that's an ACTIVITY manager where you manage documents, emails, appointments, 
telephone calls, notes etc on a per-Contact basis...


It does seem likely that this is what the OP is looking for, though. Doesn't really sound like a 
match with OOo (or probably for Thunderbird/Lightning, either). Does anybody here have experience 
with a FOSS replacement for that functionality?


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Re: [users] [moderated]

On 8/25/2010 4:16 PM, Carlo Strata wrote:

Il 25/08/2010 17:43, Barbara Duprey ha scritto:

On 8/25/2010 8:52 AM, Carlo Strata wrote:

Il 24/08/2010 05:35, Gail Severin ha scritto:

Hi Gail,

many answer to you only in the mailing list so that you didn't receive
and read their useful answer, so subscribe this list for the future
and/or browse directly here:
http://www.openoffice.org/mail_list.html#general

and here for your thread (this one)
http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?list=usersby=threadfrom=2405760

snip

The main problem with an unsubscribed user trying to use the OOo archive
is that it is not conversational. If a question is asked for clarifying
a problem, so a better answer can be provided, the unsub would really
have to copy the question into a new e-mail, add the response, and then
send the message to the list (messing up threading). Also, this response
will continue to need moderation, adding the delay time into the
process. Using the list's thread command allows natural response, but
still has the delay, and subject line changes break the thread. So far,
the best technique I've seen is to use old.nabble.com (or Gmane, but
that seems more complicated); the first reply will require the unsub to
confirm the e-mail address is active, but thereafter their messages will
be injected and not need any moderation. Still far from ideal,
primarily because OOo has no control. I'm hoping that the Kenai
implementation will solve this whole issue!

Hi Barbara,

A first good step would be to change [moderated] to, e.g., [non sub] or [non subscriber],
and leave the [moderated] flag with his correct mean also if unused at this moment. Isn't it?

Carlo

The [moderated] tag *always* means the poster is not subscribed, and that's its only meaning, so
that would not really add any information. And it does nothing for the majority of the unsubs, who
write directly to the list and don't go through the path where that tag is attached. What I think
really should happen is that when an unsubscribed user posts, they should be given an option to
receive any updates to their thread (like what happens when you file an issue), and their subsequent
posts should be treated as if from a subscriber without their getting the full list e-mails -- which
many find overwhelming. That would put the responsibility on them, and none of us would ever have to
know whether they were actually subscribed or not.

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Re: [users] [moderated]

2010-08-25 Thread Varun Mittal

The problem with the suggested solution is that we have a lot of spammers.
If we do it like treating subsequent posts from them as from subscriber,
trust me everyone will be frustrated. I as the moderator see at least 15
spam mails per day on average.

So I suggest we should let the existing mechanism be there as it is. However
if people feel , we can think about renaming of moderated tag to non-sub.
But the message approval mechanism from non subscribers should remain same

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On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 7:16 AM, Barbara Duprey b...@onr.com wrote:

  On 8/25/2010 4:16 PM, Carlo Strata wrote:

 Il 25/08/2010 17:43, Barbara Duprey ha scritto:

 On 8/25/2010 8:52 AM, Carlo Strata wrote:

 Il 24/08/2010 05:35, Gail Severin ha scritto:

 Where is the bar code for envelopes addresses in Word? I really need
 the
 bar codes option. If there is none on this program that I have, can an
 update be created adding that option? Thanks. Gail Severin
 gvse...@suddenlink.net



 Hi Gail,

 many answer to you only in the mailing list so that you didn't receive
 and read their useful answer, so subscribe this list for the future
 and/or browse directly here:
 http://www.openoffice.org/mail_list.html#general

 and here for your thread (this one)

 http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?list=usersby=threadfrom=2405760

 snip


 The main problem with an unsubscribed user trying to use the OOo archive
 is that it is not conversational. If a question is asked for clarifying
 a problem, so a better answer can be provided, the unsub would really
 have to copy the question into a new e-mail, add the response, and then
 send the message to the list (messing up threading). Also, this response
 will continue to need moderation, adding the delay time into the
 process. Using the list's thread command allows natural response, but
 still has the delay, and subject line changes break the thread. So far,
 the best technique I've seen is to use old.nabble.com (or Gmane, but
 that seems more complicated); the first reply will require the unsub to
 confirm the e-mail address is active, but thereafter their messages will
 be injected and not need any moderation. Still far from ideal,
 primarily because OOo has no control. I'm hoping that the Kenai
 implementation will solve this whole issue!


 Hi Barbara,

 A first good step would be to change [moderated] to, e.g., [non sub]
 or [non subscriber], and leave the [moderated] flag with his correct
 mean also if unused at this moment. Isn't it?

 Carlo


 The [moderated] tag *always* means the poster is not subscribed, and that's
 its only meaning, so that would not really add any information.  And it does
 nothing for the majority of the unsubs, who write directly to the list and
 don't go through the path where that tag is attached. What I think really
 should happen is that when an unsubscribed user posts, they should be given
 an option to receive any updates to their thread (like what happens when you
 file an issue), and their subsequent posts should be treated as if from a
 subscriber without their getting the full list e-mails -- which many find
 overwhelming. That would put the responsibility on them, and none of us
 would ever have to know whether they were actually subscribed or not.


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