Re: [SOGo] ANN: SOGo v2.4.0 released!

[Tanstaafl]

2.4?

What is the current version???

On 4/7/2021 2:52 PM, "SOGo Reporter" (flachape...@inverse.ca) wrote
> Minor release, but many bug fixes. Download it now!
>
> NEW RELEASE
>
> ANNOUNCEMENT
> SOGo v2.4.0
>
> The Inverse Team is pleased to announce the immediate availability of
> SOGo version 2.4.0.
> This is a minor release of SOGo which focuses on improved stability
> over previous versions.
> —
> New features
>
>   * *core:* Support smtps and STARTTLS for SMTP (cd3095e
> 
> ),
> closes #31 
>   * *core:* Debian 10 (Buster) support for x86_64 (closes #4775
> )
>
> Enhancements
>
>   * replace calls to create GMT NSTimeZone instance (2b33d45
> 
> ),
> closes #3757 
>
> Bug Fixes
>
>   * *addressbook(dav):* add support for macOS 11 (Big Sur) (c65e121
> 
> ),
> closes #5203 
>   * *addressbook(dav):* add support for macOS 11 (Big Sur) (0057524
> 
> ),
> closes #5203 
>   * *calendar:* fix all-day events in lists (1268e23
> 
> )
>   * *web:* restored mail threads state of inbox on initial page load
>   * *web:* fixed and improved messages list in threads mode
>   * *web:* sanitize value of draft auto save timer, defaults to 5 minutes
>   * *core:* adjust syntax for Python > 2 (9198fc9
> 
> )
>   * *core:* synchronize database schema with v5 (a98fe2f
> 
> )
>   * *tool:* sogo-tool manage-acl not working on v2 (closes #4292
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>   * *packaging:* add dh_makeshlibs back (0fa6947
> 
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>   * *packaging:* disable openchange permenantly (0c47b63
> 
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> 
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>
> Localization
>
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>
> See the closed tickets
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> What is SOGo
>
> SOGo is a free and modern scalable groupware server. It offers shared
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> or by using a native client such as Mozilla Thunderbird and Lightning,
> Apple Calendar and Address Book (Mac OS X and iOS) and Microsoft Outlook.
>
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Re: [SOGo] Thunderbird calendar/SOGo problems

[Tanstaafl]

On Sun Jun 09 2019 19:38:40 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), H
(age...@meddatainc.com)  wrote:
> I am also using the Lightning plugin which is why I decided not to
> update beyond the version of TB I am currently running.

Not sure what you mean...

You cannot have Calendars without Lightning - it is what provides the
calendar functionality.

> Beyond the value of having the calendar/task lists in a separate
> window using Lightning, it seems the problem above is ls slightly
> alleviated compared to not using Lightning.

I used to think I preferred having the calendar in a separate window,
but resigned myself to having it in a tab when the update that changed
that happened.

Now, I prefer it in a tab.

I don't think that preference is a good enough reason to stick with an
unsupported version of Thunderbird, but that is up to you.

> I have ca 65 calendars/task lists

How many calendars, and how many task lists?

Either way, I hope you understand, that is a huge number, and the super
vast majority of users do not have anywhere close to that many, the vast
majority probably have less than 6.

> and some of them also do not update - at all/never. I have tried
> removing them and then re-adding but this makes no difference. The
> server back-end is owncloud and my Android phones and tablet have no
> problem synchronizing all calendars/tasks lists against the owncloud
> back-end wherefore I believe the problem is with TB/SOGo.

The problem is with Thunderbird.

This is a known issue, and one that is not easily fixable, because it
has to do with the underlying non-threaded code.

> - Why is the e-mail functionality of TB blocked while calendars/task
> lists are being updated?

Because everything works on one thread, and the calendar code is not
written to throttle itself when working.

> - How can I investigate why/how some calendars/task lists are not
> being updated?

It is likely a bug related to the huge number of calendars you have, but
one that is unlikely to be specifically addressed, but may be fixed
if/when the underlying code is rewritten.
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Re: [SOGo] Outlook 2016

[Tanstaafl]

On 10/27/2017, 7:59:31 AM, sg gs (s...@mail.com)  wrote:
> the problem is the limited functionality of eas (specified by microsoft)
> which is not sufficient for our users.

I understand that Microsoft rolled out an update to EAS recently that
provides access to Shared Calendars and Contacts, but I guess SOGo will
have to be modified to take advantage of this capability?
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Re: [SOGo] Thunderbird "Domain Address Book" empty when using SOGo Integrator

[Tanstaafl]

On 7/19/2017, 3:47:42 AM, sg gs (s...@mail.com)  wrote:
> [ot]may i ask, what's wrong with GAL[/ot]

The exact problem described.

It acts just like it does with Outlook. You cannot browse it like an
Address Book. And a few other weird idiosnycracies.
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Re: [SOGo] Thunderbird "Domain Address Book" empty when using SOGo Integrator

[Tanstaafl]

I hate the 'GAL' (Global Address List' functionality in
Outlook/Office365, and I didn't like it in SOGo either.

When we first set it up, I bought support, and had them disable the GAL,
and just defined a shared Address Book for our Company.

This worked perfectly, and is what I will do again the next time I use
SOGo (which will likely be sooner rather than later).


On Fri Jul 14 2017 12:10:52 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), J. Carlos
Romero (jucar...@ayuntamientoubrique.es)  wrote:
> Hello, my first message to the list.
> 
> I have installed the "SOGo Connector" and "SOGo Integrator" extensions for 
> Thunderbird. Everything working fine, except one thing:
> 
> I can not see the contacts in the "Domain Address Book". I know the contacts 
> are there, because if I write a dot in the search box of the "Address Book" 
> application they all appear magically. Nevertheless, the Name column is not 
> as 
> expected (the full name of the contact) but the prefix username of the mail 
> address (the part before the @ sign).
> 
> Am I missing anything? I'm using the last version of everything (SOGo 3.2.10, 
> Connector 31.0.5 and Integrator 31.0.5)
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Re: [SOGo] How to debug "Invalid credentials (0x31) INFO:{"error_code" = 49"

[Tanstaafl]

On Sat Jun 10 2017 03:11:03 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), Christian
Mack (christian.m...@uni-konstanz.de) <users@sogo.nu> wrote:
> Am 09.06.2017 um 15:16 schrieb Tanstaafl (tansta...@libertytrek.org):
>> On 6/9/2017, 8:03:43 AM, Christian Mack (christian.m...@uni-konstanz.de)
>> <users@sogo.nu> wrote:
>>> Forgot to mention:
>>> * '(0x31) INFO:{"error_code" = 49"' is the  openLDAP error code (hex=31;
>>> dec=49), which means "Invalid credentials".
>>
>> If this is known, I'm curious why SOGo doesn't just use the user
>> friendly error message, rather than the cryptic error code?

> Because you can use other LDAP servers or Active Directory for
> authentication.
> They all deliver different error messages.

So, how hard would it be to handle the most popular ones, and default to
the generic error when encountering an unknown one?
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Re: [SOGo] How to debug "Invalid credentials (0x31) INFO:{"error_code" = 49"

[Tanstaafl]

On 6/9/2017, 8:03:43 AM, Christian Mack (christian.m...@uni-konstanz.de)
 wrote:
> Forgot to mention:
> * '(0x31) INFO:{"error_code" = 49"' is the  openLDAP error code (hex=31;
> dec=49), which means "Invalid credentials".

If this is known, I'm curious why SOGo doesn't just use the user
friendly error message, rather than the cryptic error code?
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Re: [SOGo] Mailbox behaviour

[Tanstaafl]

On Wed Jan 04 2017 17:44:59 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time), Ludovic
Marcotte (lmarco...@inverse.ca)  wrote:
> On 2017-01-04 5:13 PM, Christoph Kuhnert | YNA (christo...@yna11.com) wrote:
>> "Synchronize only default folders (EAS)"
> Say you have 1,000 IMAP folders, and your phone will go ape-shit if you
> sync all of them using EAS, enabling that will make SOGo only sync the
> Inbox/Drafts/Trash/Sent folders with EAS devices.

Will this also prevent the user from being able to subscribe to (ie,
seeing) any of the other folders? Or could the user still subscribe to a
select few of the other 1000 folders?
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Re: [SOGo] vacation message goes to spam

[Tanstaafl]

On 8/2/2016 7:57 PM, Fernando Salas [Novanet] (fsalas@novanet.network)
 wrote:
> But Hotmail still send the autoresponse message to the spam folder, here is 
> the header I got from Hotmail a few minutes ago, any Idea? Thanks a lot:

I'm far from understanding the buts and bolts of this stuff, but this
'fail' stands out in comparison to gmails:

> x-store-info:



> Results: hotmail.com; spf=pass (sender IP is A.B.C.D; identity alignment 
> result is fail and alignment mode is relaxed) smtp.helo=mail.mydomain.com;

Not sure if it - "identity alignment is fail" - is significant or not...
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Re: [SOGo] vacation message goes to spam

[Tanstaafl]

On 7/26/2016 3:46 PM, Fernando Salas  wrote:
> As you can see the variable "Return-Path" is empty and I think this is
> the reason why Gmail send it to spam folder.

Wrong - the null sender is required for vacation messages, this is by
design, to avoid endless loops.

Your problem is elsewhere.
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Re: [SOGo] event categories are not synchronized

[Tanstaafl]

On 2/17/2016 1:08 PM, Chris <ch...@espacenetworks.com> wrote:
> On 2/16/2016 8:37 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
>> So, is it possible, with some coding/enhancement to SOGo Integrator that
>> SOGo could become are of/manage Calendar Categories? Or would this
>> require some change/enhancement to Lightning?

> Yes there's a javascript API which would let SOGo integrator obtain the 
> calendar categories of calendar events.
> 
> See the code in this add-on, the Provider for Google Calendar, allows 
> bidirectional sync of google calendar events with thunderbird lightning 
> calendar:
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/thunderbird/addon/provider-for-google-calendar/
> https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/downloads/latest/4631/addon-4631-latest.xpi?src=dp-btn-primary
> File: chrome/gdata-provider/content/gdata-calendar-event-dialog.js
> File: module/gdataUtils.jsm

Thanks, enhancement request created:

http://sogo.nu/bugs/view.php?id=3534
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Re: [SOGo] event categories are not synchronized

[Tanstaafl]

On 2/16/2016 8:12 AM, Christian Mack  wrote:
> Am 15.02.2016 um 14:31 schrieb Laurent Wargon:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> With Thunderbird Lightning, event categories are not synchronized with the 
>> categories defined in the web interface. Yet contact categories defined in 
>> the web interface are synchronized.
>>
>> Is this normal ?
>>
> Yes, that is normal, as calendar categories are managed in Lightning,
> which does know nothing about SOGo.
> But remote Adressbooks are managed via SOGo Connector Add-On, which was
> created specifically for SOGo, therefore knowing how to get those
> categories.

So, is it possible, with some coding/enhancement to SOGo Integrator that
SOGo could become are of/manage Calendar Categories? Or would this
require some change/enhancement to Lightning?
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Re: [SOGo] Centos 7. Sogo. Samba4. OpenChange.

[Tanstaafl]

On 2/11/2016 4:48 AM,  < wrote:
> I meant that https://portal.enterprisesamba.com/ does not provide free
> packaged rpms anymore starting from samba4 version 4.3. Here is the quote from
> the website:
> 
> "SerNet's 4.2 packages and older versions will be maintained as
> EnterpriseSAMBA and distributed here for free.
> 
> With the release of the 4.3 packages SerNet changed to SAMBA+: 4.3 packages as
> well as all later versions are available as software subscription. Starting
> immediately they can be purchased at the SAMBA+ shop".

Ah, sorry...

Well, the pricing looks reasonable - *if* there is some benefit...

So, what is the 'SerNEt' benefit over and above just installing it
yourself from source? Is it just the support (still paid, it looks like)?
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Re: [SOGo] Centos 7. Sogo. Samba4. OpenChange.

[Tanstaafl]

On 2/10/2016 10:57 PM,  < wrote:
> For samba4, I had to use the repo and packages provided by
> https://portal.enterprisesamba.com/ as I was told that the samba package
> provided from the official centos 7 repository does not provide the DC
> function. It installed fine and the domain provisioning process went fine. It
> is version 4.2, the last free version from samba.org.

???

The current release version is 4.3.4, but your wording suggests that it
is no longer free? That would be mistaken...
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Re: [SOGo] Why have you choosen SOGO?

[Tanstaafl]

On 1/27/2016 10:22 AM, Szládovics Péter  wrote:
> It does support EAS? Zimbra/Zentyal does.
> IredMail absolutely not similar with SOGo... :)

Not similar - it *uses* SOGo for the Groupware features, if you elect to
use them.

http://www.iredmail.org/features.html#caldav_carddav

Note where it says:

"Note: These 2 services require SOGo Groupware, if you need them, please
choose to install SOGo during iRedMail installation."

> So, IredMail just an admin frontend for some backend solutions,

No, that would be iRedAdmin-Pro (commercial). iRedMail itself is free,
open source, and basically makes it easy to install everything and get
it working together.

Personally I prefer doing it myself (I like postfixadmin for managing my
user db), but nothing wrong with iRedMail.
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Re: [SOGo] Why have you choosen SOGO?

[Tanstaafl]

On 1/27/2016 7:40 AM, Zhang Huangbin  wrote:
> 
>> On Jan 27, 2016, at 9:14 PM, Szládovics Péter  wrote:
>>
>> Others? - What kind of similar alternative has same features?
> 
> iRedMail: http://www.iredmail.org/ :)

Which uses SOGo for the Groupware part...

:)
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Re: [SOGo] V2 web interface Personnalisation

[Tanstaafl]

On 12/10/2015 10:43 AM, Francis Lachapelle  wrote:
> v2 has a three-pane horizontal layout while v3 has a vertical layout. None of 
> the frontends offer the possibility to switch between different layouts.

Well, that sucks... I loathe the vertical layout that is the default in
Outlook, so, if v3 offers no way to change this, I won't be using it...
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Re: [SOGo] EAS Shared Calendars

[Tanstaafl]

On 11/9/2015 3:31 PM, Ian McMichael  wrote:
> On 09/11/15 20:20, Pol Bettinger wrote:
>> Does someone have an idea what I missed?

> At present you must have write access to calendars for them to be 
> visible via ActiveSync.

Which would be fine if SOGo provided the 'Author' privilege, which it
does not.

http://www.sogo.nu/bugs/view.php?id=2724
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Re: [SOGo] everything off by one hour this week ?

[Tanstaafl]

On 10/20/2015 9:51 AM, Christian Mack 
wrote:
> Am 20.10.2015 um 15:19 schrieb Per Jessen:
>> For some reason, all my my calendar entries are listed one hour late,
>> but only this week (43). Any ideas? 

> http://www.sogo.nu/bugs/view.php?id=3344
> 
> Solution:
> Upgrade to SOGo 2.3.2, then open the events in this week and store them
> again.

Wow, this could be a huge issue in larger installations.

Is there a sogo-tool command that could accomplish this for all users at
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Re: [SOGo] TB - password manager

[Tanstaafl]

On 10/7/2015 4:33 AM, Michal Boruvka  wrote:
> Hello,
> should be checkbox for "Use password manager" by default checked?
> Now if user change his password this checkbox is unchecked by default.

No, I've never seen this checked by default, and don't think there is a
config setting to change this, but I could be wrong.
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Re: [SOGo] Server generating multiple event invitations and responses

[Tanstaafl]

On 9/18/2015 3:59 PM, Ludovic Marcotte  wrote:
> On 18/09/2015 15:54, Márcio Merlone wrote:
>> I am using sogo 2.3.1-1 on ubuntu 14.04. Any progress on this? Pls let 
>> me know if you find a real solution.

> Lightning is the culprit here. It's ignoring SOGo's autoscheduling 
> capabilities (which is advertised and recognized) and also sends an 
> email, while it shouldn't. This problem started back in Lightning for 
> Thunderbird 24 or something, and is still not fixed.

Thanks Ludovic...

Is there an open bug for this? Hopefully you have commented there so the
devs at least know about it and can look into fixing it?
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Re: [SOGo] Thunderbird-Lightning-Integrator-Connector problem

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On 9/16/2015 10:27 AM, Szládovics Péter  wrote:
> Dear Guys,
> 
> What is the recommended solution to solve the problem of locked 
> calendars under TB38.2 and Lighning 4.0.2x?

Update Lightning to a 4.0.2.1 build (which fixes the underlying
problem), restart Thunderbird, then fix the problem calendars by
changing one (or both) of the Prefs in the config editor (filter on
'calendar.reg', then find the calendar, and change .disabled (and
.readOnly if applicable) to false, then restarting Thunderbird again.
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Re: [SOGo] Thunderbird-Lightning-Integrator-Connector problem

[Tanstaafl]

On 9/16/2015 1:08 PM, Szládovics Péter  wrote:
> Thank you so much! The update was ok in yesterday,

Not sure what this means - did you update to one of the builds with the fix?

If not, the problem WILL come back.
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Re: [SOGo] Thunderbird-Lightning-Integrator-Connector problem

[Tanstaafl]

On 9/16/2015 2:33 PM, Szládovics Péter <p...@szladovics.hu> wrote:
> 2015-09-16 19:09 keltezéssel, Tanstaafl írta:
>> On 9/16/2015 12:50 PM, Tanstaafl <tansta...@libertytrek.org> wrote:
>>> Update Lightning to a 4.0.2.1 build (which fixes the underlying
>>> problem)
>> Available here:
>>
>> https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/tinderbox-builds/comm-esr38-win32/latest/
> 
> Thanks, but it don't well for me :) I'm using Linux :)
> The Linux version has been already installed, just the configuration 
> editor steps have missed.

Ok, but like I said, unless you have the unreleased version with the
fix, the problem will come back again.

Try from here to find the linux version you want:

https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/tinderbox-builds/
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Re: [SOGo] Thunderbird-Lightning-Integrator-Connector problem

[Tanstaafl]

On 9/16/2015 12:50 PM, Tanstaafl <tansta...@libertytrek.org> wrote:
> Update Lightning to a 4.0.2.1 build (which fixes the underlying
> problem)

Available here:

https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/tinderbox-builds/comm-esr38-win32/latest/
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[SOGo] Calendar colors won't stick when changed from Thunderbird...

[Tanstaafl]

Hello,

We recently started experiencing the problem with the calendars locking,
but installed the 4.0.2.1 build to see if that fixes it, but I can tell
you that it does not fix this other new problem we've been having.

If I change the calendar colors in Thunderbird, they stick until I
restart it, then I see them flash for a second in the sidebar with the
correct colors, then they revert to the grey color - all except my
personal one, which sticks.

I also just checked the web GUI, and even though I changed them in
Thunderbird, they show as grey in the web GUI.

I changed them in the web GUI, and confirmed that they now stick in
Thunderbird...

So, we can now no longer change these colors permanently from
Thunderbird, we have to do it from the web GUI.

This is on TB 38.2, Windows 7 Pro 64bit, and latest version of Integrator.
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Re: [SOGo] Calendars locked

[Tanstaafl]

Ok, I just updated to the 4.0.2.1. we'll see if this fixes the calendar
locking problem.

But I've also just started experiencing another issue, which I'll report
in a separate thread...
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Re: [SOGo] Calendars locked

[Tanstaafl]

On 9/3/2015 8:36 AM, abonato  wrote:
> For me don't  work, my 2 calendars, the personal calendar and a
> calendar  subscribed , have a keylock readonly.
> 
> I try to change it in config editor, but the string,  find with
> "calendar.registry.*. readonly",  don't match the string of the calendar.

so don't do a wildcard search, search on: "calendar.reg" (minus the
quotes of course), and find the Calendar(s) (by name) with the problem,
and re-enable them.

Trust me, this works, if you are experiencing the same problem many of
us are.

> Anyway I set to disable, but in the TB remains readonly

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Re: [SOGo] Calendars locked

[Tanstaafl]

On 8/31/2015 2:40 PM, Tanstaafl <tansta...@libertytrek.org> wrote:
> I'll test to see if doing this in the Config Editor keeps it working.
> 
> Can you elaborate though on how many entries need to be changed?

Ok, so it was only two - so set disabled and read-only for the
problematic calendar to false, then restart Thunderbird.

Now to see if this fix works over time...

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Re: [SOGo] Calendars locked

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On 8/31/2015 11:13 AM, Adi Kriegisch  wrote:
> Hey!
> 
>> One of my users this morning has all their calendars locked.  Both
>> their personal calendar and other calendars they are subscribed to.
>> This is in Thunderbird (38.2) but the SOGo web interface seems to be
>> working fine.  If I try to sync or reload, nothing happens.
>>
>> Any ideas what to do and what has caused this?

> In our case lightning was stuck at version 4.0.0.X (due to us pinning the
> lightning version). After we allowed the upgrade to 4.0.2 calendars were
> still disabled and read-only; we had to manually reenable the calendars and
> set them read-write where appropriate directly in the config editor.

Ok, I'm experiencing a similar problem with one user...

If I uninstall Lightning and Connector/Integrator, her personal Calendar
comes back... for a while...

Then at some future time, it beclomes locked and unchecked/disabled, and
I am unable to re-enable it with the GUI.

I'll test to see if doing this in the Config Editor keeps it working.

Can you elaborate though on how many entires need to be changed?

Thanks,

Charles
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Re: [SOGo] Choose login domain based on DNS domain used to access the server.

[Tanstaafl]

On 7/27/2015 7:26 AM, Steve Ankeny stev...@cinergymetro.net wrote:
 It sounds to me like you're mixing technologies --
 
 domain login (whether Windows or Samba AD) and SOGo webmail
 
 Perhaps no one has responded simply because they are unsure what you're 
 trying to do.
 
 IF you already have SOGo webmail available via two domains, are you 
 running two instances of SOGo and two instances of your mail server 
 (Dovecot/Postfix, etc.) or have you configured one instance to work for 
 both?
 
 And, IF you have two domain logins are you running two AD servers?
 
 Does domain login come before webmail login, etc?  I may be totally 
 off-base (sorry)

It sounds to me like he is running a single SOGo instance hosting
multiple email domains, and has unique URLs (ie, his reference to 'DNS')
for each email domain, and wants SOGo to be able to append a fqdn to the
end of the username based on the URL of the login page?

If I understand this correctly, I'd love to see this ability as well.

So, depending on if a user goes to:

https://sogo.example1.com/SOGo/so/
or
https://sogo.example2.com/SOGo/so/

and entered a username of user1

SOGo would pass us...@example1.com or us...@example2.com as the
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Re: [SOGo] ANN: SOGo v2.3.1

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On 7/23/2015 4:42 PM,  christ...@cmjscripter.net wrote:
 and seems to run smoothly on Outlook 2015

2015? Maybe you mean 2013? Or even 2016?
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Re: [SOGo] Connecting to SOGo Calendar and Address Book from Android phone

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On 7/24/2015 11:17 AM, André Schild an...@schild.ws wrote:
 ActiveSync will provide Mail+Calendar+Contacts integration with one setup

But you don't get shared calendars/contacts when using AS, only your
personal calendar and contacts - this is a no go for us.
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Re: [SOGo] Using SOGo

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On 7/24/2015 7:10 AM, Steve Ankeny stev...@cinergymetro.net wrote:
 (1) any user wishing the share a calendar must do so through the 
 webmail Preferences

Unless you are using Thunderbird with the Integrator Addon, in which
case you can do these things directly from Thunderbird.
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Re: [SOGo] Using SOGo

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On 7/21/2015 10:44 AM, Peter Beck pe...@datentraeger.li wrote:
 On 07/21/2015 03:33 PM, André Schild wrote:
 When using Roundcube you will miss all shared-things in calendar and
 contacts.

 for contacts there is a carddav plugin available on github:
 https://github.com/blind-coder/rcmcarddav

Why go to the trouble??

Just use the SOGo web client and be done with it...
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Re: [SOGo] Support for Thunderbird 38 / Lightning 4

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On 7/21/2015 3:06 PM, Tilman Schmidt til...@imap.cc wrote:
 Hello,
 
 are there any plans for SOGo Connector to support the current
 Thunderbird release 38.1.0 which integrates Lightning 4.0.1?

Been using the current versions of Integrator/Connector with 38.0.1 and
now 38.1 with no problems...
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Re: [SOGo] Webmail Attachment

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On 5/25/2015 9:46 PM, art balauro artbala...@gmail.com wrote:
 I found out that the default MTA Im using on my iRedMail installation is
 Dovecot. That's why it has no effect when I changed my postfix config
 for size of attachement allowed on an email. Please help.

Dovecot is NOT an MTA.

You are using postfix, but are probably editing the wrong config file...
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Re: [SOGo] SOGo on Debian Jessie?

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On 5/21/2015 7:37 AM, Rodolfo José Castellanos J. rodolfo...@yahoo.com
wrote:
 +1 for i386/i686 packages for Debian Jessie.

Why on earth would anyone intentionally run an i386 version of anything
on a server today???
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Re: [SOGo] SOGo on Debian Jessie?

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On 5/21/2015 10:41 AM, Zhang Huangbin z...@iredmail.org wrote:
 
 On May 21, 2015, at 10:13 PM, Rodolfo José Castellanos J.
rodolfo...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 As far as I know the naming of the Debian port depends on the
 underlying microprocessor architecture. In https://www.debian.org/ports/
 the adaption for 32 bits PC hardware is listed as i386, but when
 installed it could be reported as i386 or i686 by the running Linux
 kernel. To ease the issue, it could be referred as x86.

 This is what i mean, x86. Thanks Rodolfo.
 
 And for new server hardware, you prefer x86_64/amd64, no problem
 at all. but how about existing/old hardware? Trash them and buy
 new hardware?

Most processors have been 64bit for - what, 8? 10 years now? It would
have to be really old hardware to be 32bit.

Like I said - if you want to stay with such dated hardware you will have
to live with the limitations and downsides...
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Re: [SOGo] Added Event in TB does not display immediately

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On 4/14/2015 1:56 PM, J. Echter j.ech...@echter-kuechen-elektro.de wrote:
 Am 27.03.2015 um 14:05 schrieb Marc Patermann:
 when I add e new event to the calendar with Lightning 3.3.3 in
 Thunderbird 31.5.0, the event is added successfully to the SOGo server
 2.2.17a. But it is not displayed in Thunderbird/Lightning.

 When I activate the sync manually or restart Thunderbird the event is
 displayed.

 Is this a known bug?
 What can I do about it?
 It is really annoying. :(

 right click on the calendar, click properties.
 
 Here it sync's every 30 mins.
 
 maybe this is your problem.

Not even close.

This would be acceptable for events added via the web GUI.

But if the event is added directly via Thunderbird/Lightning, it should
automatically be displayed in Thunderbird/Lightning - Sync interval
shouldn't have anything to do with it.
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Re: [SOGo] Sometimes Calendar gets broken in Thunderbird+Integrator - how to fix

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On 3/25/2015 8:53 AM, Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca wrote:
 On 25/03/2015 07:01, Charles Marcus wrote:
 What is the proper way fix this?
 Post errors from the Thunderbird error console, if any. This will help 
 understand what is broken in Thunderbird/Lightning and see what is the 
 right fix.

Ok, will do the next time it happens.

This time, I decided to try something different, since this user had 8
IMAP accounts (which would make it much harder to just recreate the
profile from scratch)...

1. uninstall Connector and Integrator, restart Thunderbird

2. open the config editor

3. filter on 'sogo', then 'right-clk  reset' for all entries

4. filter on 'inverse', then 'right-clk  reset' for all entries

5. restart Thunderbird

6. delete the now local address books that were provided by SOGo

7. restart Thunderbird

8. reinstall Connector and Integrator

Calendar issue fixed.

Yes it is a lot, but it was way easier than redoing the profile.
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Re: [SOGo] Question re: Outlook + AS (ActiveSysnc) vs. Thunderbird + Integrator

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On 3/23/2015 4:29 AM, Martin Simovic mar...@netson.sk wrote:
 
 On 22 Mar 2015, at 12:59, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:

 On 3/20/2015 10:17 AM, Martin Simovic mar...@netson.sk wrote:
 AFAIK Office 365 is not using EAS for Outlook, but RoH instead.

 Do you know if that is that the same protocol SOGo uses for Outlook 2010
 (which requires Samba4)?
 
 Yes. RoH stands for RPC over HTTP and in SOGo implementation it requires 
 Samba4, Openchange and Openchange-rpcproxy to work.
 I don’t know about anyone using openchange-rpcproxy from stable distribution 
 successfully, so you can likely forget this approach for now.

Ok, well, bummer, that kills that idea...

Now I have no ammunition left to fight the switch. :(
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Re: [SOGo] Question re: Outlook + AS (ActiveSysnc) vs. Thunderbird + Integrator

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On 3/20/2015 10:17 AM, Martin Simovic mar...@netson.sk wrote:
 AFAIK Office 365 is not using EAS for Outlook, but RoH instead.

Do you know if that is that the same protocol SOGo uses for Outlook 2010
(which requires Samba4)?
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Re: [SOGo] Question re: Outlook + AS (ActiveSysnc) vs. Thunderbird + Integrator

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On 3/20/2015 3:00 PM, Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca wrote:
 On 20/03/2015 14:58, Charles Marcus wrote:
 So this is *not* an Outlook limitation - maybe just an AS limitation?
 
 It's an Outlook limitation when using EAS - that is what I was talking
 about.

Right, sorry, I guess I just assumed that Outlook 2013+Office365 would
use EAS...
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Re: [SOGo] Question re: Outlook + AS (ActiveSysnc) vs. Thunderbird + Integrator

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On 3/20/2015 9:45 AM, Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca wrote:
 On 20/03/2015 06:43, Charles Marcus wrote:
 But just to clarify - you only mean the 'delegation' part, right?
 Outlook+EAS does support accessing Group/Shared Calendars and Contacts
 doesn't it?
 Only Calendars, and if you have the proper permissions to 
 add/modify/delete calendar components for that particular calendar.
 
 Outlook 2013 does not support multiple address books when using EAS.

Wow... bummer. I'm curious - is this true only for SOGo's
implementation? Or is this true for Office365 as well?
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Re: [SOGo] Question re: Outlook + AS (ActiveSysnc) vs. Thunderbird + Integrator

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On 3/20/2015 9:56 AM, Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca wrote:
 On 20/03/2015 09:53, Tanstaafl wrote:
 Wow... bummer. I'm curious - is this true only for SOGo's
 implementation? Or is this true for Office365 as well?

 It's an Outlook limitation, not related in any way to SOGo.

Perfect, one more argument *against* using Outlook (although I think
that is a lost cause)... ;)

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Re: [SOGo] what is sogo mail client programming language?

[Tanstaafl]

On 3/8/2015 12:25 PM, heat...@trans-world.org heat...@trans-world.org
wrote:
 If I understand whell, sogo email client which we see o theire live demo 
 is Thunderbird , right

I don't know what live demo you are referring to...

Link?
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Re: [SOGo] what is sogo mail client programming language?

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On 3/7/2015 1:52 AM, heat...@trans-world.org heat...@trans-world.org
wrote:
 Hello, what is sogo mail client programming language?
 Is the live demo of sogo thinderbird mail client or any other kind of 
 mail client?
 I don't mean the whole sogo platform I just mean the mail client user 
 interface,

Not sure what you mean.

SOGo is a SERVER system. It does provide a webmail interface (which is a
client of sorts), but that is it. I believe it is written primarily in AJAX.

Thunderbird has nothing to do with SOGo, beyond the fact that the SOGo
devs chose Thunderbird as their primarily *supported* email client.

If you want to learn about Thunderbird development, you'll need to join
and ask these question the the thunderbird dev list...


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Re: [SOGo] TB 34 - coresponding SoGo Connector version existing

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On 1/21/2015 8:59 AM,  christian_ja...@gmx.net wrote:
 Hi,
 
 by when will a Connector version for TB 34 be available?

SOGo only supports RELEASE versions of Thunderbird - so, for now, it is
31...
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Re: [SOGo] 'Reset Calendar Cache' doesn't work

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On 1/21/2015 9:57 AM, Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca wrote:
 On 21/01/2015 09:52, Charles Marcus wrote:
 No one?
 Do you see any errors in the Thunderbird error console you click on the 
 option Reset Calendar Cache?
 
 Thunderbird should NOT restart anymore but the cache will be 
 re-recreated (unless you have an error in your console).

Oh... was this (no more restarting Thunderbird) from a server or
Integrator upgrade? If so, which versions no longer force a restart?

We are still on SOGo 2.2.9a, and Connector/Integrator 24.0.5
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Re: [SOGo] Re: TB31 Issue with Outgoing Mail . . .

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On 1/20/2015 1:33 PM, Steve Ankeny stev...@cinergymetro.net wrote:
 However, I understand your comment.  As I said in another e-mail, I will 
 continue to implement SASL in Dovecot, as I've already configured most 
 of the pieces, but for now, we'll let the users work as needed.

Which still requires postfix to be fully functional on port 587.
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Re: [SOGo] Multiple Calendars with ActiveSync

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On 1/2/2015 7:31 AM, Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca wrote:
 On 02/01/2015 06:41, Charles Marcus wrote:
 Well... that isn't good. You mean all Calendars will be the same color?
 Users can change colors as they want on their EAS client (Outlook, iOS, 
 Android, etc.). It's just that this properly won't be synchronized.

Ah, ok, well, not a deal breaker then, but it would be nice if they
sync'd...

Is there already an enhancement/bug to add it I can follow?

Thanks Ludo!
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Re: [SOGo] ActiveSync improvements

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On 12/27/2014 9:32 AM, Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca wrote:
 On 27/12/2014 02:16, Charles Marcus wrote:
 Sync 1 will pick 1  2, Sync 2 will pick 3, Sync 3 will pick 4, and 
 Sync 4 will pick 5?
 No, it'll work like I said - ie., we stop and return the response when 
 the size is greater than the limit set. That allows to at least always 
 sync one item.
 
oh, ok, got it now, thx
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Re: [SOGo] ActiveSync improvements

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On 12/22/2014 8:05 PM, Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca wrote:
 The most significant changes are an important memory leak fix and the
 fact that's now possible to limit the returned EAS response size.
 
 You can enable this by setting SOGoMaximumSyncResponseSize to 512 for
 example. This will limit the response to 512 kilobytes (or a bit greater
 if needed for syncing one item).

Hi Ludovic,

What is affected by this setting? We have a ton of people with a huge
amount of emails that are larger than 512KB, so it can't have anything
to do with emails can it? Is it just for calendar/task items?

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Re: [SOGo] Plugins TB 31 - error DAV_NOT_DAV

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On 12/12/2014 5:07 AM, Louis DUBAILLE l.dubai...@eurytos.fr wrote:
 With a thunderbird which has the problem, when i refresh calendar this
 error appears in thunderbird error console: 

By refresh, do you mean resetting the Calendar Cache? I have found that
usually works...
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Re: [SOGo] list faster posts

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On 11/26/2014 1:34 PM, Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca wrote:
 On 26/11/2014 13:09, Charles Marcus wrote:
 Are you saying you would not recommend this in an office setting, say,
 with about 70 users?
 I think that has been exaggerated. The initial process of syncing can be 
 slow and memory intensive but that's because of EAS itself, not SOGo. We 
 nonetheless aim to improve that.
 
 Once the initial sync process is completed, memory usage will be low and 
 speed great.

Ok, thanks Ludovic - at least worth experimenting. Some of our users
with the largest mailboxes (20+GB) have been clamoring for Outlook, so
they will probably be interested in testing.
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Re: [SOGo] list faster posts

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On 11/26/2014 1:32 PM, André Schild an...@schild.ws wrote:
 Am 26.11.2014 um 19:09 schrieb Charles Marcus:
 Noted for iPhone users.

 I also wish I could get my Android to see my Address Books... DavDroid
 just doesn't seem to see them, ever...

 For Android use the Apps from Marten Gadja.
 You can integrate Calendar and Contacts just fine.
 
 https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Marten+Gajda

Since DavDroid works flawlessly for Calendars, and apparently *should*
work just as well for Address Books, I'd prefer to get it working if
possible.

Anyone ever use it with SOGo?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=at.bitfire.davdroidhl=en
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Re: [SOGo] Invitations already accepted

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Not sure what is meant here.

All of our users are on Thunderbird/Lightning, and all have the 
Accept/Decline buttons when they receive invites...


Maybe your calendars are set to automatically accept invitations somehow?

On 8/4/2014 8:11 AM, Mat mat-s...@parad0x.org wrote:

On 04/08/14 13:49, Christian Mack wrote:

Hello Mathieu

Am 2014-08-02 19:29, schrieb Mat:


When I receive an invitation for an event by email, instead of being
prompted to accept the invitation, Thunderbird displays this: This
message contains an event that has already been processed. When I look
at my calendar (with Lightning), the event looks like it has been
already added and I cannot set the attendance.

The web interface functions correctly. Is this a bug with
Thunderbird/Lightning or a configuration issue?

I'm using Thunderbird 24.5.0, Lightning 2.6.5, SOGo Connector 24.0.5,
and the SOGo server runs 2.6.6



This was discussed here erlier.
Conclusion is:
This is a limitation or Bug in Thunderbird/Lightning.
You only have the Invitation accept/decline/tentative buttons as long as
the corresponding event is not in one of your calendars.
As SOGo writes these events into your personal calendar, and
Thunderbird/Lightning synchronizes that, Thunderbird does not display
the invitation buttons.


Oh I see, this is very unfortunate. Is there a known workaround? All my
users use Thunderbird/Lightning so that's pretty much a show stopper :(


Sorry, I do not remember, if there was a bug open in the mozilla
bugzilla or not.


I will check their bugzilla then.

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Re: [SOGo] One LDAP branch for authentication, many LDAP branches for addressbook

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On 7/22/2014 11:32 AM, heupink heup...@gmail.com wrote:

Well, I can tell you that the errors below are considered 'normal'.
Apparently we all have them, they have been reported on list, and they
are harmless.


Even this one:


Jul 21 06:57:07 sogod [29455]: 0x0x7ff375997e80[LDAPSource] NSException: 
0x7ff375e48710 NAME:LDAPException REASON:operation bind failed: Invalid credentials (0x31) 
INFO:{login = cn=username,dc=sub,dc=example,dc=com; }


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Re: [SOGo] One LDAP branch for authentication, many LDAP branches for addressbook

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On 7/22/2014 4:15 PM, Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca wrote:

On 2014-07-21, 8:50 AM, Charles Marcus wrote:

My question is, could this problem simply be caused because the LDAP
user Source has canAuthenticate set to yes?



Yes and it's required for groups, as stated in the documentation:

Finally, SOGo supports LDAP-based groups. Groups must be defined like
any other authentication sources (ie., canAuthenticate must be set to YES and a
group must have a valid email address)


Thanks Ludo.

I do remember this, but... I also told you when you set this up for me 
that not one of my Groups have valid email addresses (totally no need 
for them), and it is working... so... ?



You get failures because SOGo tries both sources - as it doesn't know in
which one the user will be.


Is there an enhancement request to provide a fix for this? Seems like it 
would be beneficial to others to have a way to check for LDAP Group 
Membership solely for purposes of applying ACLs...



The / Jul 21 06:57:07 sogod [29455]: [ERROR]
0x0x7ff375e55800[NGLdapAttribute] could not convert value of
objectGUID to string/ warning is harmless and just annoying. It has
been silenced and it'll be part of v2.2.7.


All of these error types (ObjectGUID, objectSis, userCert, etc)?

Also, can you comment on the fact that there are many *hundreds*, 
sometimes even over a *thousand*, of these, all in the space of a single 
second of time?


Glad to hear that at least some of these will be silenced soon... It 
makes trying to read the logs extremely frustrating at times.


Thanks again for replying,

Charles
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Re: [SOGo] Integrator Question re: adding prefs to site.js?

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On 6/23/2014 4:44 PM, Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca wrote:

On 2014-06-23, 4:30 PM, Charles Marcus wrote:

For example, how would I specify:

user_pref(mail.addr_book.quicksearchquery.format,
?(or(Company,c,@V)(PrimaryEmail,c,@V)(DisplayName,c,@V)(FirstName,c,@V)(LastName,c,@V)));



force_char_pref(mail.addr_book.quicksearchquery.format,
?(or(Company,c,@V)(PrimaryEmail,c,@V)(DisplayName,c,@V)(FirstName,c,@V)(LastName,c,@V)));


Thanks


or

user_pref(browser.cache.disk.capacity, 40960);



force_int_pref(browser.cache.disk.capacity, 40960);


Lol - thx - dunno what I was thinking (40960 is still an integer)...
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Re: [SOGo] sogo-tool 'lost connection' errors afetr update to SOGo 2.2.5

[Tanstaafl]

Thanks for the reply Christian - more inline below...

On 6/18/2014 4:09 AM, Christian Mack wrote:

Am 2014-06-17 16:24, schrieb Charles Marcus:

2014-06-17 03:32:14.985 sogo-tool[24652] ERROR: could not open MySQL4
connection to database 'sogo': Lost connection to MySQL server at
'reading authorization packet', system error: 104
0x0x172b410[GCSChannelManager] could not open channel
MySQL4Channel[0x0x15e31b0] connection=0x(null) for URL:
mysql://user:passw...@myhost.com:3306/sogo/sogo_sessions_folder
0x0x172b410[GCSChannelManager] will prevent opening of this channel 5
seconds after 2014-06-17 03:32:01 -0400 2014-06-17 03:32:14.988
sogo-tool[24652] Can't aquire channel

Anyone have any ideas? Everything seems to be working fine, and like I
said, they only happen once per day (except twice today)...



We see more connections to the database since SOGo 2.2.4.


I'm curious, how many more? In other words, is it a lot (double or 
more)? Or just a little (10% increase, etc)...


Also - I'm curious what you and/or others who are using [my][postgre]sql 
or mariadb have set for


max_connections
max_user_connections

Are there any connection tuning (preferably sql related, but I imagine 
the number of connections SOGo requires is similar or the same 
regardless of what backend is used) recommendations for SOGo anywhere? 
Searching the install doc for 'connection' didn't reveal anything.



This error says, you lost a connection in mid transport of data and it
can not open a new one.
That is a really generic problem.
Perhaps your network is busy.


I doubt any of the above. First, the times these happen are outside 
normal business hours. If it had to do with a busy network, it would be 
happening during business hours.


My network is fairly small - 60 or so users - but, they are all using 
shared Calendars  Address Books (at least 3 of each, more in a few 
cases), so maybe I do need to tune the mysql connections.



Perhaps you run out of port numbers.


What do you mean 'run out of port numbers'? This is connecting to 
mariadb over TCP on port 3306 - one port.



Perhaps you have not enough file descriptors.


My SOGo server is on a different box than my SQL server - so, do you 
mean file descriptors on the SOGo box or the SQL box? And wouldn't there 
be other symptoms? And more importantly, again, this happens at odd 
times - the first few times at about 3:00am or so, so when the load on 
the server is at its lowest.


But I'll investigate this further.

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Re: [SOGo] Public link to a users personal calendar?

[Tanstaafl]

On 6/12/2014 11:43 AM, Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com wrote:

I have a user who wants to have a simple public link to her calendar
that only shows free/busy (no need to see event details)...

All I see in the Calendar links properties is links for authenticated
users.

Is this possible?


If not - I wonder if it is possible to 'add' a SOGo calendar to Google?

Will have to investigate that...
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Re: [SOGo] Re: Questions re: SOGo update server

[Tanstaafl]

On 5/2/2014 8:12 AM, Steve Ankeny stev...@cinergymetro.net wrote:

In the past, I've noticed that the supported extension versions are
often different than what's available to Thunderbird, and so, I'd say,
Let SOGo update the extensions and not TB!

Leave it alone.  Use what's recommended, supported and provided by
Inverse.  Just my opinion.


But my point is, how to do this for just Lightning?

I have lots of extensions, and I want all of the others to auto-update, 
but don't want to have to hassle with manually uploading them to the 
SOGo server every time there is an update, so how do I stop just 
Lightning from auto-updating?


There appears to be a way to disable this for a single extension using 
the config editor, but I hate resorting to that if there is a better 
way, which is why I'm asking here.


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Re: [SOGo] Question re: SOGo URLs and DNS settings

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On 4/22/2014 2:47 AM, André Schild an...@schild.ws wrote:

Am 21.04.2014 23:02, schrieb Charles Marcus:

And even better would be, rather than having to manually customize
Integrator, just specify the settings in SOGo.conf...

I'm assuming there is a reason  this isn't possible (yet)?


Where should thunderbird find the server?


Good question...

First, since I know nothing about how extensions work in general, this 
is all purely fantasizing, but I was imagining something like:


1. Part of SOGo install is to create a special Apache listener on 
sogo-config.example.com, where example.com is the primary/default domain 
of the new SOGo user/customer.


2. SOGo Integrator is configured with some kind of variable based 
pointer to be able to talk to new SOGo setups, ie:


https://sogo-config.%userdom%.com/configs

%userdom% would be resolved based on the FQDN part of the users full 
email address.


SOGo would then be able to 'feed' the Integrator whatever customizations 
are necessary, on the fly, simply by adding them to the SOGo.conf file.


Obviously, this would probably require considerable work, but it seems 
to me to be much more preferable than having to do this in the extension 
itself, and having to redo it every time a new version comes out.


Ok, I'm awake now, sorry for dreaming out loud... ;)
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Re: [SOGo] GetOut - fork of the Funambol Outlook connector

[Tanstaafl]

On 3/28/2014 7:13 AM, Martin Simovic mar...@netson.sk wrote:

Still don’t get it. My understanding is:
- Openchange and Outlook Anywhere setup should be used for Outlook 2010
- SOGo built-in ActiveSync for Outlook 2013
- SOGo built-in ActiveSync for Android and iOS devices
- IMAP/CalDav/CardDav for Thunderbird and alike clients

Am I missing something? Why use Funambol or GetOut? Is there a reason to
get some +funccionality or is that just an alternative to the above?


My understanding (could be wrong) is GetOut would obviate the need for 
both Funambol AND Openchange for Outlook 2013...


Openchange is a huge layer of complexity that is not needed if you don't 
need to run a full Samba DC...

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[SOGo] Paying for New Features - please comment in support of bug 2642

[Tanstaafl]

Hi all,

I would very much like to see Inverse implement this bug.

What it is is simply to provide a way for Inverse customers (those who 
have purchased block hours of support from Inverse) to vote with their 
pocketbooks for new features (or bug fixes).


Details at:

http://www.sogo.nu/bugs/view.php?id=2642
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Re: [SOGo] Reply All to a message in the Sent folder

[Tanstaafl]

On 2/25/2014 7:23 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:

On 2014-02-24 8:19 PM, Laz C. Peterson l...@paravis.net wrote:

It would be great to see a feature similar to Apple’s Mail
application, where clicking “Reply All” to a message sent by the user
actually opens up a new email with the exact same To:, CC:, and BCC:
recipients.



In Thunderbird, you can right-click on *any* email (not just one in the
Sent folder) and click 'Edit as new' to do the same exact thing...

I just checked, and right-clicking on an email in any folder in the SOGo
GUI shows the exact same menu choice ('Edit As New...', but it is greyed
out...

Maybe this is a feature that must be enabled in the config?


Anyone? The menu choice is there... why is it greyed out?
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Re: [SOGo] Active Sync Support

[Tanstaafl]

On 2014-01-24 6:18 PM, Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca wrote:

On 2014-01-24 5:32 PM, Martin Simovic wrote:

Would z-push work with sogo too?



What's the point?

We've added native Active Sync support in SOGo so you don't have to use
Z-Push.


3 points...

First - wouldn't Z-Push be a way to do away with the Openchange+Samba 
requirement for the older versions of Outlook?


Second - your ActiveSync support only works with Outlook 2013. Well, I 
have discussed this with about 20 of our users so far, and they all 
(including the Boss) *unanimously* said they *hated* the new Outlook 
2013 UI, and begged me not to put it on their systems.


Last - I seem to recall somewhere that there will be a cost for 
ActiveSync support in SOGo, because you will have to pay MS?


On this last point I will be happy if my understanding is wrong!
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Re: [SOGo] sharing rigths on calendar

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On 2014-01-24 3:24 AM, Christian Mack christian.m...@uni-konstanz.de 
wrote:

BTW:
'owner' is already set in each event.
But it is only used to distiguish invitations from your own events.
So you can edit your own, but not invitations.


Ok, so it should be even easier then? If the property is there, all that 
needs to be done is some kind of permission concept that says that only 
a 'calendar' owner (already done) *or* an *event* owner can 
modify/delete an event.

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Re: [SOGo] sharing rigths on calendar

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On 2014-01-23 8:23 AM, Christian Mack christian.m...@uni-konstanz.de 
wrote:

Hello Benoit Godefert

Am 2014-01-23 10:40, schrieb benoit.godef...@espci.fr:


I have problems with sharing rights on the calendar.
Here is the scenario:
John Doe has a shared calendar with his assistant.
It gives him only the right to add an event because he did not want his
assistant delete or edit events that he himself created.
With this setting, the assistant can add an event, but once created it can not
modify or delete some error.
It would be desirable that the assistant can modify or delete events that he
added to the calendar of John Doe.
Is it possible that the assistant has full control of events added to the
calendar of John Doe and if so how do ?



No there is currently no such thing.
You could add an enhancement request for that at http://www.sogo.nu/bugs


Ludovic (or someone) said they were going to do this for me way back (a 
year or more ago?) when I asked about the same thing, when we were still 
in the consideration stage. Are you saying there is currently no open 
enhancement request for this?


In my opinion this is extremely valuable functionality for Shared 
Calendars with multiple users involved. Currently, the only way to 
achieve this behavior is the same way we were doing it with Google 
Calendars... the Shared Calendar is set up to auto-accept 'invites' for 
events from specific users (or all users), then the person who added the 
event 'by invite' can manage (modify or delete) their events, because 
they are on both their personal and the Shared Calendar.


But this is only a workaround... SOGo badly needs built-in capability 
for individual users to be able to directly add and manage events to 
shared calendars, but NOT be able to manage anything added by other users.

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Re: [SOGo] sharing rigths on calendar

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On 2014-01-23 12:47 PM, Ben bugrepor...@vescent.com wrote:

Maybe I'm missing something, but why not have two calendars? John Doe
has his 'own' calendar and then a second one that his assistant
schedules. His assistant has full access to that calendar, but only read
access to his other calender. John Doe has SOGo/T-bird whatever look at
both calenders to see when he is free, etc, but events he creates in his
'own' calendar cannot be modified by his assistant, but the assistant
has full control over the second calendar.


It would work of course (but, how would I 'tell Thunderbird to check 
both calendars for free/busy times?), but it is much more complicated 
than simply adding a new feature to SOGo that adds an 'owner' attribute 
to calendar items, and provides the ability to allow event/item *owners* 
to fully control their own items/events, but not others.

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Re: [SOGo] login not send with thunderbird

[Tanstaafl]

On 2014-01-20 12:19 PM, Christian Mack christian.m...@uni-konstanz.de 
wrote:

Did you configure your IMAP account before adding Integrator?
Integrator uses the first IMAP Account loginname for connections to the
server.


I read this in the docs, and was perplexed, but forgot about it...

What, exactly, is the reason for this? Why can't the Integrator simply 
provide a 'username' and 'password' field that it then uses?


Also, IU just thought of something else that I hope will not be a problem.

We have a number of email accounts that are used by multiple people. 
Each of these users have these accounts configured in Thunderbird.


Will this be a problem?

Does Integrator not support multiple email accounts in Thunderbird? Or 
does it just use the first one as the 'primary'?


Is this question documented and expanded on anywhere?

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Re: [SOGo] Cant' connect to mysql

[Tanstaafl]

On 2014-01-21 1:21 AM, André Schild an...@schild.ws wrote:

Am 20.01.2014 22:35, schrieb Bob Wooldridge:

On 01/20/2014 01:49 PM, André Schild wrote:

Looks like the user sogo in your database has another password or has
no rights to access the sogo database



Thanks for the input André, I have everything working now.  The only
strange thing in the logs is this error:



2014-01-20 15:30:41.385 sogod[22981] ERROR(-[NGBundleManager
bundleWithPath:]): could not create bundle for path:
'/usr/share/GNUstep/Libraries/gnustep-base/Versions/1.22/Resources/SSL.bundle'



Any ideas on what this means?



This one is normal and can be ignored.


?

ERRORs should never be considered 'normal'. If by this you mean that the 
logging itself is 'wrong' and there really is no ERROR, then by all 
means say so, and that it (the improper logging) will (or should be) 
fixed, but it certainly isn't (or shouldn't be considered) 'normal'.


Otherwise, the loge mean nothing and cannot reliably be used to 
troubleshoot real problems.

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Re: [SOGo] Best way to sync Outlook 2010 calendars?

[Tanstaafl]

I'm confused...

SOGo claims full native support for Outlook.

So... does it or doesn't it support Outlook?
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Re: [SOGo] Configuring Thunderbird+Integrator

[Tanstaafl]

On 2014-01-18 2:45 PM, Steve Ankeny stev...@cinergymetro.net wrote:

You stated your mail server is different than your SOGo server and both
are running as virtual machines.  SOGo is not a mail server. It would
seem logical to point your mailboxes to the mail server.


I agree it seems logical, but my point is the documentations doesn't say 
one way or another.


I may be a bit anal about these kinds of things, but I dislike ambiguity 
in technical documentation. It should state precisely how to set up your 
accounts.


That said, we don't have a working setup yet, so it may become painfully 
obvious once we get that far.



However, if your calendars are on the SOGo server, those URLs would
reference the SOGo server.


I hope you are correct and this is indeed how it will work (mail clients 
only talking to SOGo server for Calendar/Contacts syncing).

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Re: [SOGo] Configuring Thunderbird+Integrator

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Thus my question.

So, based on this, if we elect to use the Integrator, then ALL SMTP and 
IMAP traffic will have to go THROUGH the SOGo server.


This will be VERY inefficient for our 60+ users in the office.

I can definitely understand adding these details into the SERVER config, 
for when users are accessing the WEB interface to work with their email.


But why force all of this traffic through one pipe for fat clients as well?

What is gained by this? What does SOGo 'do' with respect to the actual 
emails that benefits Thunderbird *other* than the Calendars and Contacts?



On 2014-01-20 10:19 AM, Steve Ankeny stev...@cinergymetro.net wrote:

Pursuant to the documentation found here:

http://www.sogo.nu/files/docs/SOGo%20Installation%20Guide.pdf

Pg. 6 [PDF 8]

Assumptions

SOGo reuses many components in an infrastructure. Thus, it requires the
following :

❏ Database server (MySQL, PostgreSQL or Oracle)
❏ LDAP server (OpenLDAP, Novell eDirectory, Microsoft Active Directory
and others)
❏ SMTP server (Postfix, Sendmail and others)
❏ IMAP server (Courier, Cyrus IMAP Server, Dovecot and others)

In this guide, we assume that all those components are running on the
same server (i.e.,
“localhost” or “127.0.0.1”) that SOGo will be installed on.

Documentation assumes the various components are all running on the
same server.

Pg. 50 [PDF 52]

Mozilla Thunderbird and Lightning

Alternatively, you can access SOGo with a GroupDAV and a CalDAV client.
A typical well-
integrated setup is to use Mozilla Thunderbird and Mozilla Lightning
along with Inverse's SOGo
Connector plug in to synchronize your address books and the Inverse's
SOGo Integrator plug in
to provide a complete integration of the features of SOGo into
Thunderbird and Lightning. Refer
to the documentation of Thunderbird to configure an initial IMAP account
pointing to your
SOGo server and using the user name and password mentioned above.

With the SOGo Integrator plug in, your calendars and address books will
be automatically
discovered when you login in Thunderbird. This plug in can also
propagate specific extensions
and default user settings among your site. However, be aware that in
order to use the SOGo
Intergrator plug in, you will need to repackage it with specific
modifications.

Obviously, IF your SOGo server is not hosting the IMAP account, it must
be pointed elsewhere.

And, just as obviously, the SOGo Intergrator will discover the calendars
and address books.

On 01/20/2014 08:26 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:

On 2014-01-18 2:45 PM, Steve Ankeny stev...@cinergymetro.net wrote:

You stated your mail server is different than your SOGo server and both
are running as virtual machines.  SOGo is not a mail server. It would
seem logical to point your mailboxes to the mail server.


I agree it seems logical, but my point is the documentations doesn't
say one way or another.

I may be a bit anal about these kinds of things, but I dislike
ambiguity in technical documentation. It should state precisely how to
set up your accounts.

That said, we don't have a working setup yet, so it may become
painfully obvious once we get that far.


However, if your calendars are on the SOGo server, those URLs would
reference the SOGo server.


I hope you are correct and this is indeed how it will work (mail
clients only talking to SOGo server for Calendar/Contacts syncing).




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Re: [SOGo] Configuring Thunderbird+Integrator

[Tanstaafl]

On 2014-01-20 12:18 PM, André Schild an...@schild.ws wrote:

Hello,

Am 20.01.2014 16:44, schrieb Tanstaafl:

Thus my question.

So, based on this, if we elect to use the Integrator, then ALL SMTP
and IMAP traffic will have to go THROUGH the SOGo server.


No,

you can directly connect IMAP+SMTP to your existing mail server.
There is no reason to route it via SOGo.

But the SOGO server has to have access to your mailserver
if you wish to use the webinterface
of in future the activesync ond native Outlook connectivity.


Ok, very good, thanks for clearing that up Steve, Steve and Andre... :)
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Re: [SOGo] Configuring Thunderbird+Integrator

[Tanstaafl]

On 2014-01-17 11:24 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:

When I set up the 'first' email account - do I point the
inbound/outbound mail server settings directly to the mail server, just
like we do now, then follow the instructions when modifying the
Integrator to point it to SOGo?

Or do I point these to the SOGo server too?


Ummm... anyone? It seems to me to be a fairly simple question.
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Re: [SOGo] Outlook not refreshing Inbox automatically

[Tanstaafl]

On 2014-01-16 5:00 PM, Steve Ankeny stev...@cinergymetro.net wrote:

I agree!

Licensing costs, overhead, security and privacy are big issues where I
work.

We opted for Outlook 2010 to save licensing fees over 2013 or Office365
Our users are confirmed Thunderbird and Firefox users and only need
Outlook as an interface to their accounting software.

IF polling is an issue, then something like VBA and VBScript makes sense.


And this should be officially supported by SOGo, even if only as some 
kind of 'addon', or 'contrib', so everyone doesn't have to 'roll their 
own'...

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[SOGo] Configuring Thunderbird+Integrator

[Tanstaafl]

Hi all,

I have read the Thunderbird Configuration PDF, but don't see this 
question answered.


Our mail server is on a gentoo VM, and our SOGo server is on a separate 
Debian 7 VM.


When I set up the 'first' email account - do I point the 
inbound/outbound mail server settings directly to the mail server, just 
like we do now, then follow the instructions when modifying the 
Integrator to point it to SOGo?


Or do I point these to the SOGo server too?

I'm hoping it is he former, because I really would like to avoid *all* 
of the email traffic having to flow through the SOGo server.


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Re: [SOGo] Plans for collaboration features?

[Tanstaafl]

On 2014-01-17 3:11 PM, Sean M. Pappalardo spappala...@renegadetech.com 
wrote:

On 01/09/2014 05:32 PM, Ludovic Marcotte wrote:

With our Active Sync support coming up (it'll show up in the source tree
tomorrow), you'll be able to use Outlook 2013 natively without
Samba4/OpenChange


That's wonderful news! Precisely because:


which can be a challenging piece of software to
install/maintain.


:)

Being in the source tree, does that mean the next release of SOGo will
include ActiveSync integration for Outlook 2013? If not, when can we
expect to see it? (I have one client who won't give up Outlook no matter
how hard I push Thunderbird. :) )

Also, will this also work with Windows Mobile devices that use
ActiveSync or is that a different thing?


And is support for earlier version of Outlook planned (at least 2010)?

If not... *why* not?
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Re: [SOGo] Outlook not refreshing Inbox automatically

[Tanstaafl]

On 2014-01-16 7:34 AM, Julien Kerihuel j.kerih...@openchange.org wrote:

On Wed, 2014-01-15 at 13:35 -0500, Ludovic Marcotte wrote:

I have seen this problem mentioned on this list in the past (last
post about a year ago, sogo version 2.0.2). Did anything change
since then? Any chance this is resolved?



This feature has not yet been implemented in OpenChange.



This is not completely true ;-)

This feature exists in OpenChange master since 2011.


Can someone please comment -

We will be rolling SOGo out very soon, and after some testing for a few 
weeks with our current Thunderbird base, we will test with Outlook, then 
allow users to switch to Outlook if they want to.


So... Is this about 'IDLE' notifications? Meaning - I can still set 
Outlook to poll the server every few minutes and that will work ok?


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Re: [SOGo] Outlook not refreshing Inbox automatically

[Tanstaafl]

On 2014-01-16 10:02 AM, Martin Simovic mar...@netson.sk wrote:

Configuring the server to sent/receive in any interval does not solve the 
situation either.


I wasn't talking about configuring the SERVER, I was talking about 
configuring OUTLOOK to POLL the server periodically (ie, 'Check for new 
mail every N minutes')...


I can't believe that wouldn't work?
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Re: [SOGo] Outlook not refreshing Inbox automatically

[Tanstaafl]

On 2014-01-16 12:02 PM, Martin Simovic mar...@netson.sk wrote:


On 16 Jan 2014, at 17:32, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:


On 2014-01-16 10:02 AM, Martin Simovic mar...@netson.sk wrote:

Configuring the server to sent/receive in any interval does not solve the 
situation either.


I wasn't talking about configuring the SERVER, I was talking about
configuring OUTLOOK to POLL the server periodically (ie, 'Check for new
mail every N minutes')...

I can't believe that wouldn't work?



Sorry I sued the wrong expression. No it will not work since you can
only configure outlook to “send/receive” in given intervals (F9)
however what you would need is “update folder” (SHIFT+F9) in
intervals which is not configurable as far as I know.


Wow... bummer... that pretty much guarantees that the guy who has been 
pushing to migrate our mail server to hosted Exchange (or Office365) 
will start making considerably more noise.

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Re: [SOGo] Plans for collaboration features?

[Tanstaafl]

On 2014-01-09 8:32 PM, Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca wrote:

On 2014-01-09 3:34 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:

Well, since we are planning on offering Outlook to users here as well
as Thunderbird, this is critically important to me.


With our Active Sync support coming up (it'll show up in the source tree
tomorrow), you'll be able to use Outlook 2013 natively without
Samba4/OpenChange - which can be a challenging piece of software to
install/maintain.


That is *fantastic* news about not needing samba4/openchange, but...

What about earlier version of Outlook (specifically 2010)?

We have standardized on this version of office, and will probably stay 
there for the foreseeable future. Having to upgrade to 2013 would not be 
an insignificant cost.


It isn't a deal breaker, but again, the vast majority of our (eOpen) 
licenses (60+) are for 2010.


Thanks Ludovic!
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Re: [SOGo] Plans for collaboration features?

[Tanstaafl]

On 2014-01-10 8:32 AM, Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca wrote:

On 2014-01-10 7:52 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:

What about earlier version of Outlook (specifically 2010)?

Outlook 2003... 2010 will still require OpenChange/Samba4.

It's still an important piece of software for SOGo and we don't plan to
move away from it because we add Active Sync support.

These are two separate things, and both will continuously improve.


Ok, thanks... one reason to consider upgrading our licenses I guess.

One last question...

Do you anticipate this bug that is causing problems with earlier 
versions of Outlook to really and truly be crushed soon? In time for the 
next major release even?


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Re: [SOGo] Plans for collaboration features?

[Tanstaafl]

On 2014-01-08 3:53 PM, Steve Boley st...@nams.net wrote:

No my problems have stemmed from how it's interacting with samba4 and
windows AD. I used my own user account for testing and somehow my
openchange account is corrupted and when it reads it back from the
schema even after blowing it away and starting over, keeps giving me
errors where it can't create my profile. Passed it to the openchange
list got replies and after I passed the full debug info can't get a
response at all for what my issue is.

Support and response for sogo has been stellar but I'm not too happy
with openchange responses.  It is only necessary if you want to use
outlook with the calendar functions and it looks like I'll be pushing my
remaining users over to thunderbird and get rid of outlook.

I might just go with the vtiger option after I test it and use it's
plugins for calendar and tasks and wait for the openchange portion to
mature and stabilize more.


Well, since we are planning on offering Outlook to users here as well as 
Thunderbird, this is critically important to me.


We relied on the fact that SOGo claims that their software provides a 
seamless native Outlook experience (no plugins required).


I would love to hear from others if they are having similar experiences 
with Outlook.


I'd also like to hear from the developers about this...

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Re: [SOGo] Plans for collaboration features?

[Tanstaafl]

On 2014-01-08 7:43 AM, Christian Mack christian.m...@uni-konstanz.de 
wrote:

Hello Tanstaafl

What do you understand as collaboration features?

I ask, because email is used for collaboration, appointments are used
for collaboration and address books are used for collaboration.
They all can be shared and be used cooperatively with SOGo

So what is missing from your point of view?


Hi Christian,

Well, I'm first thinking of Document/Information Sharing ala Sharepoint.

Organizational, and Group/Team collaboration

Ie, an organization can provide web pages and store documents to provide 
information to employees - e.g. an 'Employee Handbook' and/or 'Policies 
 Procedures' manual), a 'How To' web page provided by IT for with links 
to all kinds of things (ie, working with the organizations different 
systems (SOGo, Phone system, etc), and then users could work within 
their Teams to collaborate on projects, etc that kind of thing.


Shared Tasks (ala Horde) would be nice too...

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Re: [SOGo] Plans for collaboration features?

[Tanstaafl]

On 2014-01-08 10:31 AM, Steve Boley st...@nams.net wrote:

I'm dragging on sogo because of issues with the openchange portion and
its limitations because I have users who don't want to get rid of crappy
outlook and it's propensity to complicate and magically have corrupted
data files in it.


Are you talking about the multi-process bug?

I'm concerned about this now, because I know our management is going to 
want to allow users to use Outlook, and I found a reference about this 
bug being fixed back in June of 2012 (a year and a half ago), but if it 
still exists, I'm wondering what the chances are of it getting fixed 
properly anytime soon?


Jean?
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Re: [SOGo] Plans for collaboration features?

[Tanstaafl]

On 2014-01-08 1:36 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:

On 2014-01-08 10:31 AM, Steve Boley st...@nams.net wrote:

I'm dragging on sogo because of issues with the openchange portion and
its limitations because I have users who don't want to get rid of crappy
outlook and it's propensity to complicate and magically have corrupted
data files in it.


Are you talking about the multi-process bug?

I'm concerned about this now, because I know our management is going to
want to allow users to use Outlook, and I found a reference about this
bug being fixed back in June of 2012 (a year and a half ago), but if it
still exists, I'm wondering what the chances are of it getting fixed
properly anytime soon?


Never mind, according to Jean it is an entirely different bug, and 
should be fixed soon...

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[SOGo] Plans for collaboration features?

[Tanstaafl]

Hello,

I was just wondering if there is anything planned in this area. It is 
the one thing that SOGo lacks as compared to some of the other Groupware 
options out there (Zimbra, Horde, etc).


We will be implementing SOGo soon, and I'm seriously hoping it 
eliminates all of the massive performance problems we've been having 
with Thunderbird+Lightning+Google Calendar (using Provider for Google 
Calendar). If it doesn't, there has been talk in upper management about 
switching to some kind of Hosted Exchange environment shudder...

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Re: [SOGo] BTS activities for Thursday, January 02 2014

[Tanstaafl]

Question about SOGo updates.

When bugs like this are fixed, is it easy to update SOGo to apply the fixes?

Or does it require a long wait until official release that contains all 
of the fixes since the last release?


Thx


On 2014-01-03 12:01 AM, SOGo reporter flachape...@inverse.ca wrote:

BTS activities for Thursday, January 02 2014


  BTS Activities

Home page: *http://www.sogo.nu/bugs*
Project: *SOGo*
For the period covering: *Thursday, January 02 2014*

id  last update status (resolution) categorysummary
1411 http://www.sogo.nu/bugs/view.php?id=1411 	2014-01-02 19:46:39 
closed (fixed) 	with external server 	Modification of previously 
created contacts within Thunderbird create duplicates
1624 http://www.sogo.nu/bugs/view.php?id=1624 	2014-01-02 19:46:26 
closed (fixed) 	with external server 	Writing vcards with PUT does not 
check for changes (Danger of overwriting data)




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Re: [SOGo] Problems with Thunderbird+Lightning on 24.2?

[Tanstaafl]

On 2013-12-19 4:09 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:

Hi everyone,

I'm curious... there are some serious performance issues right now (and
for some time) with Thunderbird_Lightning+Provider for Google Calendar,
and I was wondering if these problems are also present with
Thunderbird+Lightning+SOGo+Connector and/or Integrator?

I'm hoping the answer is no?


No response, so apparently the performance problems with Thunderbird 24+ 
are strictly related to the Provider for Google Calendar/Google 
Calendar, and are not present with Thunderbird+SOGo?


Thanks, would appreciate at least a few reassuring responses before we 
start implementing our new SOGo installation...

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[SOGo] Problems with Thunderbird+Lightning on 24.2?

[Tanstaafl]

Hi everyone,

I'm curious... there are some serious performance issues right now (and 
for some time) with Thunderbird_Lightning+Provider for Google Calendar, 
and I was wondering if these problems are also present with 
Thunderbird+Lightning+SOGo+Connector and/or Integrator?


I'm hoping the answer is no?

Thanks
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Re: [SOGo] new installation ... best way?

[Tanstaafl]

On 2013-12-17 6:49 AM, Kai-Uwe Rommel rom...@ars.de wrote:

I am evaluating SOGo for a private solution for my own family.
I would run it as a VM on my company's ressources but completely
separated from the company network. I am currently thinking over
if I should start with the ZEG appliance VM or install from scratch.


Personally I would really really love if the SOGo devs would provide a 
minimal Debian VM Appliance that is running *only* the SOGo components, 
and expects the MTA (ie, postfix, exim, etc) and MDA (ie dovecot, cyrus, 
etc) to be on a completely different system (so all we needed to do was 
plug in those IP addresses and AUTH info).


I'm a gentoo linux guy, which is what our current mailserver is on, and 
I loathe Debian, Ubuntu, Redhat, CentOS, etc - in other words, all of 
the distros that SOGo natively supports - and have been struggling with 
getting a Debian system up and running (secured the way I like/want 
it)... I'm almost there, but it has been a royal hassle...

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