date:20050906

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adrian Miles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> around the 6/9/05 Jay dedman mentioned about Re: [videoblogging] 
> Gov't always wins the election that:
> >maybe this is a differnce between US and Danish news.
> >US news has become almost completely unbelievable.
> >i believe that videoblogging/first-hand reports lend credibility.
> >people can play with reality (Nathan's "Modern Single Dad")...but for
> >the most part, i see most videoblogs as being extremely open,
> >sensitive, and believable.
> >funny you brought of the example of  media during the American
> >revolution..."Common Sense" by Thomas Paine was one of the most
> >influential citizen journalism who handed out basically a Zine.
> >It told the truth that traditional media wasnt/couldnt do.
> 
> yes, this discussion is confusing US *tv* news which is generally 
> intensely inward looking and quite shallow as all news. It isn't. 
> Here I watch an international orientated news at 6.30, then another 
> one at 9.30, and if i want sustained current affairs I have late 
> night live on radio from 10pm (people like Chomsky regular guests) or 
> Lateline on national TV (who have similar regular guests satellited 
> in from around the world). it isn't better, it is different.
> 
> Also generalisations don't work. The New York Times is still a 
> qualilty broadsheet, those who want and seek deeper information can, 
> and do, just because TV has had to evolve to a banal common 
> denominator it doesn't mean all media.
> 
> Finally, I'm a member of the KKK and I videoblog things that 
> represent my political views. I call myself a citizen journalist, 
> since videoblogging is pure citizen journalism (being a member of the 
> KKK, any argument about purity appeals), 

Does KKK stand for something different in Australia than in the U.S.A.?


>can anyone explain to me how 
> this is *better* journalism than that practiced by someone at least 
> trained in some professional practice, a code of ethics, who (even 
> though it is dumb) at least thinks stories have 'two' sides?

I thought objectivity was the significant factor in professional
journalism (getting mulitple sources, corraboration, etc.)

  -- Enric

> -- 
> cheers
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Re: [videoblogging] Gov't always wins the election

around the 6/9/05 Jay dedman mentioned about Re: [videoblogging] 
Gov't always wins the election that:
>maybe this is a differnce between US and Danish news.
>US news has become almost completely unbelievable.
>i believe that videoblogging/first-hand reports lend credibility.
>people can play with reality (Nathan's "Modern Single Dad")...but for
>the most part, i see most videoblogs as being extremely open,
>sensitive, and believable.
>funny you brought of the example of  media during the American
>revolution..."Common Sense" by Thomas Paine was one of the most
>influential citizen journalism who handed out basically a Zine.
>It told the truth that traditional media wasnt/couldnt do.

yes, this discussion is confusing US *tv* news which is generally 
intensely inward looking and quite shallow as all news. It isn't. 
Here I watch an international orientated news at 6.30, then another 
one at 9.30, and if i want sustained current affairs I have late 
night live on radio from 10pm (people like Chomsky regular guests) or 
Lateline on national TV (who have similar regular guests satellited 
in from around the world). it isn't better, it is different.

Also generalisations don't work. The New York Times is still a 
qualilty broadsheet, those who want and seek deeper information can, 
and do, just because TV has had to evolve to a banal common 
denominator it doesn't mean all media.

Finally, I'm a member of the KKK and I videoblog things that 
represent my political views. I call myself a citizen journalist, 
since videoblogging is pure citizen journalism (being a member of the 
KKK, any argument about purity appeals), can anyone explain to me how 
this is *better* journalism than that practiced by someone at least 
trained in some professional practice, a code of ethics, who (even 
though it is dumb) at least thinks stories have 'two' sides?
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Re: [videoblogging] Various types of permission forms

around the 6/9/05 Randolfe Wicker mentioned about Re: [videoblogging] 
Various types of permission forms that:
>In the documentary, the filmmaker uses tapes of conversations 
>regarding negotiation and a series of photos he snapped on outings 
>with the fellow who would never sign a release.  This was good 
>enough to get accepted and played in film festivals.  However, I am 
>assured by people working on a documentary on a related theme that 
>"Based on a True Story" would never pass muster for commercial 
>broadcast by a cable or television station or even for general 
>theatrical release.

releases are quite a separate legal issue from copyright which is 
what I was referring to. Use CD x. it has already been published, it 
already has copyright. That is quite different from whether person X 
has signed a release to be filmed, or not (this is not big news in 
documentary, did Bert Reynolds have to sign a release for Sherman's 
March, I doubt it - here it crosses strongly into aspects of 
journalistic practice).

Also it makes no difference if you think your blog is 'commercial' or 
not. "commercial' is not a criteria applied in copyright protection, 
it is about authorised republication. The law doesn't care if you did 
it for free, or not. *You* cannot decide to give away someone else's 
'property' for free, that's what copyright says.
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Re: [videoblogging] vb.info back up

2005-09-06 Thread Andreas Haugstrup

On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 02:28:47 +0200, David Howell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

> It is? I'm getting an index page.

We decided to move hosts right away. Re-uploading files and DNS changes  
means that the downtime was a bit longer.

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Re: [videoblogging] Gov't always wins the election

2005-09-06 Thread Michael Sullivan




we can call the Traditional Media on their shit...fact check.

exactly, Jay.  And honestly, this is the most fundamental act bloggers can participate in.  
because whether its BIG media or small media consortium, fact and fiction can and will always be blurred.
their are more bloggers spreading fallacies, i would bet, than TV news media as millions now blog.
people love conspiracies and political enemies, and that fuels less than accurate opinions often times.
key is always balance... i say this all the time as it applies to
everything in life.  once i detect a lack of balance... whether an
opinion or propaganda, my filters go on and if i am motivated, i will
fact check and relay... though usually to no avail since people are set
in their ways.  

what am I saying?  no, i am not defending nor am I attacking any
entity here.  just saying that this world is drunk on distorted
spins from all sides.   watch what you eat.

sull 
On 9/6/05, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Will this give you more legitimate (your word) news? Why and how? Are> videoblogs only first-hand reports? Are first-hand reports better than> other types of journalism? First-hand reports as journalism are not new.
> The Massachusetts Spy published first-hand accounts from the first battles> of the American Revolution. You've seen them in every medium for hundreds> of years!maybe this is a differnce between US and Danish news.
US news has become almost completely unbelievable.i believe that videoblogging/first-hand reports lend credibility.people can play with reality (Nathan's "Modern Single Dad")...but forthe most part, i see most videoblogs as being extremely open,
sensitive, and believable.funny you brought of the example of  media during the Americanrevolution..."Common Sense" by Thomas Paine was one of the mostinfluential citizen journalism who handed out basically a Zine.
It told the truth that traditional media wasnt/couldnt do.> Don't confuse the media with the sender. A medium doesn't carry with it> rules like the ones you imply. Big Corp Inc. can videoblog and Joe Average
> can videoblog. If Fox News created a videoblog would their coverage be> more legitimate news? Why/Why not?> You seem to be confusing videoblogging as a medium with some form of> citizen journalism.
well, it depends.is journalism when you just talk about "news"like they do on thecable networks.i believe even the work being done now...which is usally not"news"...its actually extremely important.
like blogs, these small conversations from a personal viewpointcreates the perpsective in which all this "news" is happening.local color, texture, feeling, the people.this daily creation of personal media also creates a workflow that can
be appplied to inevitable news events.when these huge events happen, we are then ready to talk/show what ishappening becasue we've been doing in our daily lives.> And we can take it from there: Are there stories that citizen journalists
> can do better than a traditional news organisation? Which? Are there> stories citizen journalists can't do as well? Which? Are there stories> where the two compete on equal terms? Which?like randy says, the individual has never been able to compete with
the news organziation till now.so we will see.will individual people want to take on the territory that TraditionalMedia covers?will we just find our own niches?its excitingt o find out.> I can offer some answers, but I'd like to hear the thoughts of this group
> first. I'm tired of ramblings about news media who only hire evil people> that are out to corrupt the planet, and I'm tired of conspiracy theories> about the Republican Party. I'd like to hear some thinking about media and
> news.Only in the very beginning stages of videoblogging did I think that wecould "take down the media".what we do is complement them.the buffet table is now bigger.we can call the Traditional Media on their shit...fact check.
we can shine light on realities that traditonal media may want to ignore.an individual can spend time on the small things that we know areimportant, the details.traditional media are good at interviews with presidents and
investigative jouranlism that takes long hours of research andtravel...ie "60 Minutes".(they dont do it much anymore in the US).this list is global.so if you ask me an american if i trust what i see on TV...id say "barely".
im always having to filter what i see.In Denmark, you may have great trust in what your media tells you.so our relationship with "traditional media" will be different.Jay--
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Re: [videoblogging] Bi-Weekly Vlog Videoconference, 9/6/2005, 8:00 pm

2005-09-06 Thread Verdi

Hey Richard,
What time does one of these things need to happen to have you guys in  
Australia join in?  I'd love to to join in one with you, Adrian, and  
anyone else even if means getting up in the middle of the night (I  
think I'm 14 hours behind you).

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[videoblogging] meet the vloggers graphic?

2005-09-06 Thread jonny goldstein

Is there some kind of "Meet the Vloggers" logo? I'm doing 2 events in the D.C. 
area over the 
next handful of days and would like to have a little graphic  happening on my 
promotional 
posts.

And by the way, if you are any where near the Pentagon City Apple Store 
tomorrow at 8PM or 
the Tysons Corner Apple Store Saturday 1PM, Sept 17, swing on by and add to the 
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Re: [videoblogging] Gov't always wins the election

2005-09-06 Thread Jay dedman

> Will this give you more legitimate (your word) news? Why and how? Are
> videoblogs only first-hand reports? Are first-hand reports better than
> other types of journalism? First-hand reports as journalism are not new.
> The Massachusetts Spy published first-hand accounts from the first battles
> of the American Revolution. You've seen them in every medium for hundreds
> of years!

maybe this is a differnce between US and Danish news.
US news has become almost completely unbelievable.
i believe that videoblogging/first-hand reports lend credibility.
people can play with reality (Nathan's "Modern Single Dad")...but for
the most part, i see most videoblogs as being extremely open,
sensitive, and believable.
funny you brought of the example of  media during the American
revolution..."Common Sense" by Thomas Paine was one of the most
influential citizen journalism who handed out basically a Zine.
It told the truth that traditional media wasnt/couldnt do.

> Don't confuse the media with the sender. A medium doesn't carry with it
> rules like the ones you imply. Big Corp Inc. can videoblog and Joe Average
> can videoblog. If Fox News created a videoblog would their coverage be
> more legitimate news? Why/Why not?
> You seem to be confusing videoblogging as a medium with some form of
> citizen journalism.

well, it depends.
is journalism when you just talk about "news"like they do on the
cable networks.
i believe even the work being done now...which is usally not
"news"...its actually extremely important.
like blogs, these small conversations from a personal viewpoint
creates the perpsective in which all this "news" is happening.
local color, texture, feeling, the people.
this daily creation of personal media also creates a workflow that can
be appplied to inevitable news events.
when these huge events happen, we are then ready to talk/show what is
happening becasue we've been doing in our daily lives.

> And we can take it from there: Are there stories that citizen journalists
> can do better than a traditional news organisation? Which? Are there
> stories citizen journalists can't do as well? Which? Are there stories
> where the two compete on equal terms? Which?

like randy says, the individual has never been able to compete with
the news organziation till now.
so we will see.
will individual people want to take on the territory that Traditional
Media covers?
will we just find our own niches?
its excitingt o find out.

> I can offer some answers, but I'd like to hear the thoughts of this group
> first. I'm tired of ramblings about news media who only hire evil people
> that are out to corrupt the planet, and I'm tired of conspiracy theories
> about the Republican Party. I'd like to hear some thinking about media and
> news.

Only in the very beginning stages of videoblogging did I think that we
could "take down the media".
what we do is complement them.
the buffet table is now bigger.
we can call the Traditional Media on their shit...fact check.
we can shine light on realities that traditonal media may want to ignore.
an individual can spend time on the small things that we know are
important, the details.
traditional media are good at interviews with presidents and
investigative jouranlism that takes long hours of research and
travel...ie "60 Minutes".
(they dont do it much anymore in the US).

this list is global.
so if you ask me an american if i trust what i see on TV...id say "barely".
im always having to filter what i see.

In Denmark, you may have great trust in what your media tells you.
so our relationship with "traditional media" will be different.

Jay


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Re: [videoblogging] Gov't always wins the election






I'll take a stab at answering Andreas Haupstrup's 
questions:
 
"If Fox News 
created a videoblog would their coverage be  more legitimate news? 
Why/Why not?"
 
Coverage by Fox News would be less legitimate for 
the same reason coverage by Current TV or The Nation Magazine would be: the 
coverage would come from a source with a known ideological bias.
 
"You seem to be 
confusing videoblogging as a medium with some form of  citizen 
journalism."
 
There should be no 
confusion here.  Videoblogging is citizen journalism in its purest 
form.
 
"Are there stories that 
citizen journalists  can do better than a traditional news 
organization? Which?"
 
Yes.  
Citizen journalists can report on such things as the plight of the poor, their 
exploitation by corporations, their lack of access to tools of advancement like 
higher education, etc. without worrying about cancellation of advertising, 
without worrying about being alienated from politically 
entrenched sources when covering future news 
stories.
 
"Are there  stories 
citizen journalists can't do as well? Which? Are there stories  where 
the two compete on equal terms? Which?"
 
Citizen journalists don't have the 
resources and access that major media has.  Citizen journalists can't fly 
over an area and watch unfolding events from a helicopter.  Citizen 
journalists probably can't get interviews with powerful political leaders like 
major media can.
 
The two can compete on 
equal terms when there is equal access.  Anyone can go out and interview 
victims of Katrina and document their horrifying stories of how the system 
failed them.  No special access is required here.  Perhaps a special 
sensitivity and understanding could give citizen journalists a real 
advantage.
 
"I'm tired of ramblings about news media who only hire evil people  
that are out to corrupt the planet, and I'm tired of conspiracy 
theories  about the Republican Party. I'd like to hear some thinking 
about media and  news."
 
I 
couldn't agree more.  Journalists, major media journalists, had a far 
higher causality rate in Iraq than military personnel did.  I'd like to see 
a memorial built for those journalists like Daniel Pearl who die (literally lose 
their heads) covering current events.
 
I 
don't like conspiracy theories about anybody, even Republicans whom I generally 
dislike these days even though I used to be one of 
them.
 
The real contribution vloggers can make to "media and news" 
is to show that "reality" can really trump plastic vapid simplification of 
today's social issues.  There was a story in the NYT talking about how 
"March of the Penguins" and the documentary about Grizzlies had given new 
validation to "reality".
 
Let me quote directly from the NYT 9/2/05 page E1 in Weekend 
Arts: ""Whether taken with milk and cookies or swallowed as a gulp of bitter 
medicine, reality is something many would like a lot more of than the 
infotainment juggernaut is willing to supply."
 
So, Andreas, I always like reading what you have to 
say.  Have I answered some of your questions?  I certainly hope so..or 
at least given this conversation a direction that you find 
stimulating.
 
Cloningly yours,
 
Randolfe Wicker

 
 
 

 
 


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Andreas 
  Haugstrup 
  To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 3:12 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Gov't always 
  wins the election
  On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 19:01:31 +0200, Charles HOPE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
  wrote:> Right now, blogging is mostly commentary, but as more 
  people do it, it  > will> become more of a primary channel. 
  Our culture is moving towards valuing  > first-hand> 
  reports over passive-voiced experts. Blogs are fast, nimble, candid,  
  > unfiltered.Will this give you more legitimate (your word) 
  news? Why and how? Are  videoblogs only first-hand reports? Are 
  first-hand reports better than  other types of journalism? First-hand 
  reports as journalism are not new.  The Massachusetts Spy published 
  first-hand accounts from the first battles  of the American 
  Revolution. You've seen them in every medium for hundreds  of 
  years!Don't confuse the media with the sender. A medium doesn't carry 
  with it  rules like the ones you imply. Big Corp Inc. can videoblog 
  and Joe Average  can videoblog. If Fox News created a videoblog would 
  their coverage be  more legitimate news? Why/Why not?You seem 
  to be confusing videoblogging as a medium with some form of  citizen 
  journalism.And we can take it from there: Are there stories that 
  citizen journalists  can do better than a traditional news 
  organisation? Which? Are there  stories citizen journalists can't do 
  as well? Which? Are there stories  where the two compete on equal 
  terms? Which?I can offer some answers, but I'd like to hear the 
  thoughts of this group  first. I'm tired of ramblings about news 
  media who only hire evil people  that are out to corrupt the

Re: [videoblogging] Bi-Weekly Vlog Videoconference, 9/6/2005, 8:00 pm

2005-09-06 Thread Richard Bennett-Forrest

>Feel free to jump in and improve.

Might take the plunge. Depends if I have to deal with unappreciative 
members lik me. ;-)

>I will be off calendar duty for the
>next 6 weeks. Off to VlogEurope Thursday and then road-noding my way to
>Canada and back.

Ooh, you lucky thing.

Regards,
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Re: [videoblogging] Bi-Weekly Vlog Videoconference, 9/6/2005, 8:00 pm

2005-09-06 Thread Jan McLaughlin

This calendar is a new development, in the last couple weeks so it's 
still being worked out. According to what I read, each member should 
receive the email in their local time. Yahoo-lies!!!?!? :) Whatever. 
Now we know it doesn't work as advertised.

Fact is, we need a better automated reminder service for things like 
this.

Ahem.

I'm just saying.

You're not the first nor the last to have problems with it. It is what 
it is until it's better.

Feel free to jump in and improve. I will be off calendar duty for the 
next 6 weeks. Off to VlogEurope Thursday and then road-noding my way to 
Canada and back.

XOXOX,
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On Sep 6, 2005, at 8:03 PM, Richard Bennett-Forrest wrote:

> Thanks Jan, didn't mean to have a go at you, just asking what was up.
>
> The problem is however that the message was sent to the group, not me
> as an individual, so there's not member associated with it.
>
> For reference, I have indeed set my Yahoo prefs for my timezone (GMT
> +10), and even though it is 9am on Wednesday here in Sydney, the
> message still says 8pm Tuesday.
>
> When I go to the calendar page, it still says Tuesday 8pm. I
> understand that this is Yahoo at work... and obviously failing.
>
> Clicking on the wiki link gives this:
>
>> (tue) 07-Sep-05 at 01:00 (GMT +0100) enter
>> (wed) 07-Sep-05 at 20:00 (GMT +0100) enter
>
> So I converted 01:00 GMT +0100, which is a strange way to specify a
> time, and it converted to Wednesday 11pm Sydney time. This seemed
> strange, because this is typically the morning for the U.S.
>
> So instead I went to the Notes section of the wiki and found this:
>
>>  tue: 8 pm EDT Tuesday, 5pm PDT Tuesday, which is Wednesday @ 
>> midnight GMT
>
> Problem is that EDT and PDT aren't international time zone codes, so
> I don't know what they mean. I'm guessing it is the U.S. eastern
> time, so converting that to Sydney time gives me 1pm Wednesday. This
> makes a little more sense, as it is 4 hours from now.
>
> So if this is the actual time of the confernce, then the GMT time is
> really 3am GMT Wednesday. I'd prefer all dates/times be posted as GMT
> if possible, it saves the problems shown above.
>
> Here's an earlier post of mine to this list regarding dates/times:
>
> At 8:59 + 17/4/05, videoblogging@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>>> I realize that we have members world wide. [..]
>>> I am located in Central Time Zone  which will be used as a reference 
>>> point.
>>
>> It's good that you have a global focus, very few start ups do.
>>
>> Unfortunately though, there's no such global time zone as "Central 
>> Time Zone".
>>
>> In Australia we also have a local "Central Standard Time", "Eastern
>> Standard Time/Eastern Daylight Time" and a "Western Standard Time".
>> Our eastern is your Pacific.
>>
>> But in global terms, your global time zones are actually HNP (your
>> Pacific), HNC (your central), and HNE (your eastern). The amusing
>> thing is, these are all French names, and you're one of the only
>> countries apart from France, to have French named zones. e.g. HNC is
>> actually Heure Normale du Centre.
>>
>> In Australia, our global zones are AWST (our western), ACST (central)
>> and AEST (eastern). AEST standing for Australia Eastern Standard Time
>> for example.
>
> Regards,
>   Richard
>
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[videoblogging] Re: True Potential (was: rants about voting, Bush, and media screwups)

2005-09-06 Thread Gena

I don't care what you do so long as you do it. Make me laugh, cry,
angry, inform me, or cause me to go "hun?" it doesn't matter so long
as you are following your path.

For me, in these times it is an buzzing that will not leave me alone.
I love the artistic and the experiemental stuff but CJ and/or video
blogging skills has got to be taught to as many people as possible and
quickly.

Because if there is not a healthy outlet for fustration and expression
then we are exposing ourselves to additional trouble.

But one does not negate the other. Show me something I've never seen
or considered and you've done your good deed for the day.

Gena
http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, skullcrew webmaster
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wow...
> 
> Good for you and everyone who wants to do that...there are some  
> people who don't want to be a journalist.
> 
> Does that make us less of a vlogger?
> 
> nick
> http://www.skullcrew.com
> http://www.angryshirts.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 6, 2005, at 4:30 PM, Dave Huth wrote:
> 
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron  
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > we're looking for things
> > > > that *videobloggers* can do, presumably via their videoblogs.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Document. Its not even a question.
> >
> >
> > This is the core of what we can do in service to our society as  
> > video bloggers.
> >
> > We don't have to become journalists (some of us will, most of us  
> > can't, that's not the
> > point...) but _together_ we can begin to fulfill _the FUNCTION of  
> > journalism_.
> >
> > I wish there had been a large, loosely but passionately networked  
> > group of no-bullshit
> > vloggers who, in an organized and mutually supportive way, could  
> > have "activated" along
> > the gulf coast to send one person into every New Orleans  
> > neighborhood with his or her
> > camera and a bag of minicasettes and batteries, and just stand in  
> > hip deep sewage every
> > day SHOOTING FOOTAGE ALL DAY LONG.
> >
> > If that had been the case we would RIGHT NOW be spending our time  
> > doing much more
> > constructive things as video bloggers other than sitting thousands  
> > of miles away watching
> > Geraldo cry and arguing about whether George Bush is the devil.
> >
> > We would as a community be concentrating all of our efforts on  
> > retrieving, copying,
> > editing, hosting, posting, archiving, indexing, and distributing  
> > thousands of hours of
> > footage in an unstoppable Mainstream Media runaround.
> >
> > Maybe over the coming months and year we can explore ways of  
> > aligning ourselves toward
> > something like this so that the next time (and the next time and  
> > the next time and the
> > next time...) we will be ready.
> >
> > Dave




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Re: [videoblogging] New FireANT for Windows! Get it while its hot!






I only wonder when those guys at FireANT 
sleep.  Seems like they have a new version of FireANT every 36 hours!  
It only gets better and better.
 
I notice that they are accepting 
"contributions".  I think supporting people like those creating FireANT and 
also doing the Node101 vlog crusade deserve the support of those vloggers who 
can afford it.  Mutual support means just that.  Support those who are 
helping all of us move forward with this great new force called vlogging!  
Give something back to those who give so much to you!

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  Kinberg 
  To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 10:45 
  AM
  Subject: [videoblogging] New FireANT for 
  Windows! Get it while its hot!
  Just wanted to let everyone know that we've released a new 
  publicversion of FireANT for Windows today. Get it at http://GetFireAnt.com --  its 
  free!This version includes a lot of improvements, new functionality, 
  andbug fixes. All Windows users are encouraged to upgrade. And of 
  course,your feedback is very much appreciated as it helps us make 
  FireANTbetter. Please join our FireANT_for_PC discussion group at:< 
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FireANT_for_PC 
  >Thanks to everyone who helped us test our preview releases. And 
  thanksalso to everyone out there creating, publishing, and 
  syndicatingvideo. None of this would happen without your hard work 
  anddedication. You are what makes FireANT 
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Re: [videoblogging] vb.info back up

2005-09-06 Thread David Howell



It is? I'm getting an index page. David Howellhttp://www.taoofdavid.com On Sep 6, 2005, at 7:21 PM, Randolfe Wicker wrote:Please share with us who the host is that you are using and that perhaps we might want to avoid.- Original Message -From: peterthemanTo: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comSent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 9:21 AMSubject: [videoblogging] vb.info back uphttp://videoblogging.info/ is back up and running. Apologies for theoutage. The host it is running on isn't the best, and this was theirfault. We're considering moving it to another host.Peter--http://mefeedia.comYAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

  




  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] vb.info back up






Please share with us who the host is that you are 
using and that perhaps we might want to avoid.

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  Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 9:21 
  AM
  Subject: [videoblogging] vb.info back 
  up
  http://videoblogging.info/ is back up 
  and running. Apologies for theoutage. The host it is running on isn't the 
  best, and this was theirfault. We're considering moving it to another 
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Re: [videoblogging] Various types of permission forms






Matt Wall-Smith, you just spelled out as a 
political agenda my feelings exactly!  Let's start a hopper of proposed 
legislation to keep vlogging free!  Expanding "fair use" include using 
music you purchased as background for personal non-commercial vlogs should be 
considered "fair use"!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mat 
  Wall-Smith 
  To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 8:58 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Various 
  types of permission forms
  The fact is that we have always determined our own 'fair 
  use' as consumers.While I despise the illegal sharing of content for 
  commercial gain or theunauthorized use of music as underscore in 
  commercial product I think thatas consumers we should ensure that fair use 
  legislation is revised so thatits made workable. Obviously running in fear 
  of litigation is not going tohelp the industry music industry help itself 
  and stop this ridiculousestrangement of its best customers. If I buy a CD 
  then I should be able touse the contents of that CD for the production of 
  personal media. AVideoblog is not necessarily personal media but a lot of 
  the time itdefinitely is. If I am posting Video's to the net of my baby 
  girl so thatthe grandparents can see her grow then I should be able to 
  play a CD track(that I own) behind it just as I would in my lounge room. I 
  see the act aspolitical, as activism, and I really think that a standard 
  workable innetworked world needs to be asserted by the consumer as an 
  alternative tothe insane atmosphere that is being propagated by the 'never 
  fair' industry.But yeah I do it knowing I could be sued. I don't ever 
  think that somehow Iam 'below' the reach of this insanity. But that 
  doesn't mean I am going totake it lying down in compliance.Yep my 
  blog is a publication, just like my zine was, just like Fear of aBlack 
  Planet was, just like that photocopy I might give to my students, orthe 
  sound I might post as an example, or the use of remediated video in 
  alecture, or the compilations I use to dub on my tape deck and hand out 
  tofriends, or the cover I play at a local pub...You get the 
  point.On 6/9/05 8:29 PM, "Adrian Miles" 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> around the 5/9/05 Randolfe 
  Wicker mentioned about Re: [videoblogging]> Various types of permission 
  forms that:>> Actually a lot of vloggers use music they don't have a 
  license for>> in their vlogs.  The fact is that no one bothers 
  "suing them">> because their using the music has virtually no real 
  impact.>> > > this is nonsense. I can't say that 
  strongly enough. Get slashdotted> and your music will matter. Get shown 
  via *any* commercial media and> your music will matter. People once 
  said this about anything on the> web, it is not the case now. Just 
  because big media haven't caught> on, doesn't mean that when they do, 
  they won't play serious catch up.> >> Yes, vlogging could be 
  considered to be one step up from home>> movies.  With vlogging 
  you can share what might otherwise be home>> movies with friends, 
  even the whole world if the whole world was>> interested enough to 
  drop by and watch them.> > absolutely not. a home movie is 
  played to your immediate> family/friends in home. It is not 
  broadcast/distributed. A blog is a> publication.> > In 
  video sales if you buy a home VHS tape and show it to a school> group, 
  you've broken the law. The home VHS is for home use only. The> copy you 
  buy for schools is for showing to a group and (usually)> costs approx. 
  10 x the domestic cost. Such things exist and are> standard practice. 
  that this might be breached every now and then,> just like photocopying 
  a whole book because you can't get your own> copy, doesn't make it 
  legal. Minor moments don't matter, when it> becomes a standard 
  practice, it does.> >> >> Technically, you might be 
  right insofar as "legalities" are>> concerned.  However, like 
  those labels that they used to have on>> cigarette packages which 
  said it was illegal "not" to break them, a>> lot of laws are really 
  ignored.> > which is what napster thought. Which is what lots of 
  low budget film> makers thought until their film can't be legally shown 
  anywhere.> There *are* stories of people who have film screened, only 
  to receive> letter from legal firm requesting tens of thousands of 
  dollars since> that is how much the rights to the lyrics/music 
  costs.> > I really think videobloggers are naive if they think 
  these rules> don't apply to them. Without clearance your material 
  cannot be shown> in awards/festivals and cannot be broadcast. Basically 
  you don't want> to be the person that is the first one pursued for 
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Adrian Miles makes some interesting points.  
However, most of his arguments evolve from the assumption that most vloggers 
have dreams of going on to commercial distribution.
 
I agree with Adrain regarding serious commercial 
syndication.  Some things people don't realize is that you can't even sing 
"Happy Birthday" without paying a pretty high licensing fee.  It is "shared 
knowledge" among filmmakers and documentary makers that one avoids having "Happy 
Birthday" sung in any of their scenes.
 
However, I think Adrian is amiss when he 
says:
"Without clearance 
your material cannot be shown in awards/festivals and cannot be broadcast. 
Basically you don't want to be the person that is the first one pursued for 
this, because the industry will not play nicely."
 
I have had personal 
experience in this regard.  There is a documentary making the rounds called 
"Based on a True Story".  It has even gotten an award or two at film 
festivals.  At the core of this documentary is the filmmakers futile effort 
to get the fellow who robbed the bank in "Dog Day Afternoon" to agree to be 
interviewed for a set price.
 
In the documentary, the 
filmmaker uses tapes of conversations regarding negotiation and a series of 
photos he snapped on outings with the fellow who would never sign a 
release.  This was good enough to get accepted and played in film 
festivals.  However, I am assured by people working on a documentary on a 
related theme that "Based on a True Story" would never pass muster for 
commercial broadcast by a cable or television station or even for general 
theatrical release.
 
I published links to a 
series of articles on copyright at DV-info.net which spells out all these 
chilling details.
 
However, the average 
vlogger is unlikely to ever get into trouble for stuff he/she vlogs for 
free.  Yes, if they wanted to, those who owned the music, etc. could 
perhaps seek an injunction or cease and desist order (whatever the legal mumbo 
jumbo is called).  However, it would be a waste of time doing so and would 
not be worth the cost.
 
I have seen (and even 
envied) vlogs which used the vlogger's great familiarity with music to set a 
mood and create continuity between scenes.
 
When all is said and done, 
I really don't think an ordinary vlogger really has to worry about this 
"licensing" nonsense.  That is one of the nice things about the netherworld 
vlogosphere that we inhabit.


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Adrian Miles 
  To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 6:29 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Various 
  types of permission forms
  around the 5/9/05 Randolfe Wicker mentioned about Re: 
  [videoblogging] Various types of permission forms that:>Actually a 
  lot of vloggers use music they don't have a license for >in their 
  vlogs.  The fact is that no one bothers "suing them" >because 
  their using the music has virtually no real impact.>this is 
  nonsense. I can't say that strongly enough. Get slashdotted and your music 
  will matter. Get shown via *any* commercial media and your music will 
  matter. People once said this about anything on the web, it is not the 
  case now. Just because big media haven't caught on, doesn't mean that when 
  they do, they won't play serious catch up.>Yes, vlogging could be 
  considered to be one step up from home >movies.  With vlogging you 
  can share what might otherwise be home >movies with friends, even the 
  whole world if the whole world was >interested enough to drop by and 
  watch them.absolutely not. a home movie is played to your immediate 
  family/friends in home. It is not broadcast/distributed. A blog is a 
  publication.In video sales if you buy a home VHS tape and show it 
  to a school group, you've broken the law. The home VHS is for home use 
  only. The copy you buy for schools is for showing to a group and (usually) 
  costs approx. 10 x the domestic cost. Such things exist and are 
  standard practice. that this might be breached every now and then, 
  just like photocopying a whole book because you can't get your own 
  copy, doesn't make it legal. Minor moments don't matter, when it 
  becomes a standard practice, it does.>>Technically, you 
  might be right insofar as "legalities" are >concerned.  However, 
  like those labels that they used to have on >cigarette packages which 
  said it was illegal "not" to break them, a >lot of laws are really 
  ignored.which is what napster thought. Which is what lots of low 
  budget film makers thought until their film can't be legally shown 
  anywhere. There *are* stories of people who have film screened, only to 
  receive letter from legal firm requesting tens of thousands of dollars 
  since that is how much the rights to the lyrics/music costs.I 
  really think videobloggers are naive if they think these rules don't apply 
  to them. Without clearance your material cannot be shown in 
  awards/festivals and cannot be broa

Re: [videoblogging] Bi-Weekly Vlog Videoconference, 9/6/2005, 8:00 pm

2005-09-06 Thread Richard Bennett-Forrest

Thanks Jan, didn't mean to have a go at you, just asking what was up.

The problem is however that the message was sent to the group, not me 
as an individual, so there's not member associated with it.

For reference, I have indeed set my Yahoo prefs for my timezone (GMT 
+10), and even though it is 9am on Wednesday here in Sydney, the 
message still says 8pm Tuesday.

When I go to the calendar page, it still says Tuesday 8pm. I 
understand that this is Yahoo at work... and obviously failing.

Clicking on the wiki link gives this:

>(tue) 07-Sep-05 at 01:00 (GMT +0100) enter
>(wed) 07-Sep-05 at 20:00 (GMT +0100) enter

So I converted 01:00 GMT +0100, which is a strange way to specify a 
time, and it converted to Wednesday 11pm Sydney time. This seemed 
strange, because this is typically the morning for the U.S.

So instead I went to the Notes section of the wiki and found this:

>  tue: 8 pm EDT Tuesday, 5pm PDT Tuesday, which is Wednesday @ midnight GMT

Problem is that EDT and PDT aren't international time zone codes, so 
I don't know what they mean. I'm guessing it is the U.S. eastern 
time, so converting that to Sydney time gives me 1pm Wednesday. This 
makes a little more sense, as it is 4 hours from now.

So if this is the actual time of the confernce, then the GMT time is 
really 3am GMT Wednesday. I'd prefer all dates/times be posted as GMT 
if possible, it saves the problems shown above.

Here's an earlier post of mine to this list regarding dates/times:

At 8:59 + 17/4/05, videoblogging@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>  >I realize that we have members world wide. [..]
>  >I am located in Central Time Zone  which will be used as a reference point.
>
>It's good that you have a global focus, very few start ups do.
>
>Unfortunately though, there's no such global time zone as "Central Time Zone".
>
>In Australia we also have a local "Central Standard Time", "Eastern
>Standard Time/Eastern Daylight Time" and a "Western Standard Time".
>Our eastern is your Pacific.
>
>But in global terms, your global time zones are actually HNP (your
>Pacific), HNC (your central), and HNE (your eastern). The amusing
>thing is, these are all French names, and you're one of the only
>countries apart from France, to have French named zones. e.g. HNC is
>actually Heure Normale du Centre.
>
>In Australia, our global zones are AWST (our western), ACST (central)
>and AEST (eastern). AEST standing for Australia Eastern Standard Time
>for example.

Regards,
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[videoblogging] Re: Bi-Weekly Vlog Videoconference, 9/6/2005, 8:00 pm

I'm a bit confused.  Does it say other times then 8 pm for other time
zones?  8 pm appears to be U.S. Eastern Time Zone.  If that is so and
it shown 8 pm everywhere, wouldn't it make more sense to specify the
time zone:  8 pm Eastern U.S.?


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wrote:
> Local times for reminders are (theoretically) tied into individual  
> group member's local time zone choices. Check your yahoogroup  
> preferences if the times are incorrect for you. Fact is, the notice is  
> sent 2 hours before the start of the conference and again 30 minutes  
> before the event. 2 hours is 2 hours no matter where you are on the  
> planet.
> 
> The link shown in the notice takes you to the videoconference page  
> where are listed the GMT times of forthcoming conferences and links to  
> enter the conferences that are unique for each conference.  
> Unfortunately, this information cannot be presented in clickable html  
> for delivery to the group. Familiarize yourself with this page and  
> you'll find there are links to translations of GMT, archives of  
> videoconferences, and other information.
> 
> We need some way to automate dissemination of this info. I encourage  
> others to come up with better ideas. I've set this up best I can with  
> the tools available to me. Use of this calendar is free to everyone
who  
> is a member of this group. Use it! Improve it!
> 
> XOXOX,
> Jan
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> http://the-hold.blogspot.com - literature
> .
> 
> On Sep 6, 2005, at 6:55 PM, Richard Bennett-Forrest wrote:
> 
> > Can this message be changed?
> >
> > "8:00pm - 10:00pm" means absolutely nothing in a
> > global context... even in a U.S. context.
> >
> > Clicking on the voxmedia link didn't help,
> > neither did the videoblogging main page.
> >
> > Regards,
> >   Richard
> >
> > Vlog: http://www.zipworld.com.au/~kashum
> > Feed: http://www.zipworld.com.au/~kashum/rbf.pl?c=rss2.xml
> >
> >
> >
> > At 21:56 + 6/9/05, videoblogging@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> >> 
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2005-09-06 Thread videoblogging














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Re: [videoblogging] Bi-Weekly Vlog Videoconference, 9/6/2005, 8:00 pm

2005-09-06 Thread Jan McLaughlin

Local times for reminders are (theoretically) tied into individual  
group member's local time zone choices. Check your yahoogroup  
preferences if the times are incorrect for you. Fact is, the notice is  
sent 2 hours before the start of the conference and again 30 minutes  
before the event. 2 hours is 2 hours no matter where you are on the  
planet.

The link shown in the notice takes you to the videoconference page  
where are listed the GMT times of forthcoming conferences and links to  
enter the conferences that are unique for each conference.  
Unfortunately, this information cannot be presented in clickable html  
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Re: [videoblogging] Bi-Weekly Vlog Videoconference, 9/6/2005, 8:00 pm

2005-09-06 Thread Richard Bennett-Forrest

Can this message be changed?

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[videoblogging] [Content] You can't hurry love

2005-09-06 Thread Adam Quirk




http://www.aleksandramir.info/projects/canthurrylove/canthurrylove.html >
This is a little video where Aleksandra Mir walks around wearing a
sandwich board printed with "You Can't Hurry Love" at a busy
intersection.

There are more videos scattered around the site http://www.aleksandramir.info/ > but it's pretty hard to
navigate.  
Here's another http://www.aleksandramir.info/projects/homeroadmovies/homeroadmovies.html >

If you're in NYC, Mir is part of this on Wednesday: http://nyc.flavorpill.net/current.jsp#kirk >

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[videoblogging] Re: True Potential (was: rants about voting, Bush, and media screwups)

2005-09-06 Thread johngaltsjournal

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, skullcrew webmaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> Good for you and everyone who wants to do that...there are some  
> people who don't want to be a journalist.
> 
> Does that make us less of a vlogger?
> 
Of course not, silly.

And it probably still makes you a citizen journalist, whether you want to be or 
not.

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Re: [videoblogging] True Potential (was: rants about voting, Bush, and media screwups)

2005-09-06 Thread Pete Prodoehl

skullcrew webmaster wrote:
> Wow...
> 
> Good for you and everyone who wants to do that...there are some  people 
> who don't want to be a journalist.
> 
> Does that make us less of a vlogger?

No, I think to be a vlogger you have to put video on your website, which 
is a blog, and (possibly) has an RSS feed with enclosures.

Some people will be journalists, some will be artists, some will deliver 
  soliloquies to no one in particular.

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[videoblogging] youre the best

2005-09-06 Thread Jay dedman

I hate competitions as much as the next guy...but its on!!

FireANT just got listed in the best of the web (according to business weekly):
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/bestof/home_video.htm
vote for FireANT. (if you think it's the best)

theres like 7000 votes so far.
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Re: [videoblogging] True Potential (was: rants about voting, Bush, and media screwups)

2005-09-06 Thread skullcrew webmaster

Wow...Good for you and everyone who wants to do that...there are some people who don't want to be a journalist. Does that make us less of a vlogger?nickhttp://www.skullcrew.comhttp://www.angryshirts.comOn Sep 6, 2005, at 4:30 PM, Dave Huth wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > we're looking for things > > that *videobloggers* can do, presumably via their videoblogs. > > > > > Document. Its not even a question. This is the core of what we can do in service to our society as video bloggers. We don't have to become journalists (some of us will, most of us can't, that's not the point...) but _together_ we can begin to fulfill _the FUNCTION of journalism_. I wish there had been a large, loosely but passionately networked group of no-bullshit vloggers who, in an organized and mutually supportive way, could have "activated" along the gulf coast to send one person into every New Orleans neighborhood with his or her camera and a bag of minicasettes and batteries, and just stand in hip deep sewage every day SHOOTING FOOTAGE ALL DAY LONG. If that had been the case we would RIGHT NOW be spending our time doing much more constructive things as video bloggers other than sitting thousands of miles away watching Geraldo cry and arguing about whether George Bush is the devil. We would as a community be concentrating all of our efforts on retrieving, copying, editing, hosting, posting, archiving, indexing, and distributing thousands of hours of footage in an unstoppable Mainstream Media runaround. Maybe over the coming months and year we can explore ways of aligning ourselves toward something like this so that the next time (and the next time and the next time and the next time...) we will be ready. Dave SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

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[videoblogging] True Potential (was: rants about voting, Bush, and media screwups)

2005-09-06 Thread Dave Huth

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> we're looking for things  
> > that *videobloggers* can do, presumably via their videoblogs.
> >
> 
> 
> Document. Its not even a question.

This is the core of what we can do in service to our society as video bloggers. 

We don't have to become journalists (some of us will, most of us can't, that's 
not the 
point...) but _together_ we can begin to fulfill _the FUNCTION of journalism_.

I wish there had been a large, loosely but passionately networked group of 
no-bullshit 
vloggers who, in an organized and mutually supportive way, could have 
"activated" along 
the gulf coast to send one person into every New Orleans neighborhood with his 
or her 
camera and a bag of minicasettes and batteries, and just stand in hip deep 
sewage every 
day SHOOTING FOOTAGE ALL DAY LONG.

If that had been the case we would RIGHT NOW be spending our time doing much 
more 
constructive things as video bloggers other than sitting thousands of miles 
away watching 
Geraldo cry and arguing about whether George Bush is the devil. 

We would as a community be concentrating all of our efforts on retrieving, 
copying, 
editing, hosting, posting, archiving, indexing, and distributing thousands of 
hours of 
footage in an unstoppable Mainstream Media runaround.

Maybe over the coming months and year we can explore ways of aligning ourselves 
toward 
something like this so that the next time (and the next time and the next time 
and the 
next time...) we will be ready.

Dave

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[videoblogging] Re: Readership tracking

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> It doesn't sound like any of these track but RSS/ATOM syndicated
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> 
>   -- Enric

Sorry, I meant to write:  

It doesn't sound like any of these track RSS/ATOM syndicated
readership on the internet and outside of their sites.

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[videoblogging] Re: Blogger for Microsoft Word

2005-09-06 Thread cooper3acd

A word on pasting from Word - pon't do it! Word uses some ugly, ugly 
tags that will f.. up just about anything else - for instance if you 
paste Word text into dreamweaver you risk having a TON of garbage 
code inserted.

If you need to use word, paste it into a text editor first (I like 
Edit Plus, which is shareware, so you can download it free for the 
PC), then paste the copy from the text editor into your other 
program. A pain, I know, but it will save you a ton of grief.

Cheers,
Rob

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> thanks josh, i was one of them
> 
> randy
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> >Subject: [videoblogging] Blogger for Microsoft Word
> >Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 12:01:55 -0400
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> >http://buzz.blogger.com/bloggerforword.html
> >
> >Some of you on this list have expressed problems composing blog
> >entries from Word and pasting into Blogger (it messes up your
> >HTML) well, check out this Word extension that adds a Blogger
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> Google does the same with pagerank.

It doesn't sound like any of these track but RSS/ATOM syndicated
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Re: [videoblogging] Readership tracking

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Mefeedia lists vlogs by popularity.

Alexa.com uses algorithms and stats to rank site popularity.

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Re: [videoblogging] Gov't always wins the election

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> Right now, blogging is mostly commentary, but as more people do
it, it  
> will
> become more of a primary channel. Our culture is moving towards
valuing  
> first-hand
> reports over passive-voiced experts. Blogs are fast, nimble,
candid,  
> unfiltered.

Will this give you more legitimate (your word) news? Why and how? Are  
videoblogs only first-hand reports? Are first-hand reports better than 

other types of journalism? First-hand reports as journalism are not
new.  
The Massachusetts Spy published first-hand accounts from the first
battles  
of the American Revolution. You've seen them in every medium for
hundreds  
of years!

Don't confuse the media with the sender. A medium doesn't carry with
it  
rules like the ones you imply.

Oh, but it does. If the medium is expensive, only well-funded
institutions can produce. If it's scarce, there are few gatekeepers and
the product must appeal to a wide audience, and the government may
dictate content. If it's funded by advertisers, content must be
pre-approved by the sponsors. Removing any of these constraints
changes the content.

Big Corp Inc. can videoblog and Joe Average  
can videoblog. If Fox News created a videoblog would their coverage be 

more legitimate news? Why/Why not?

You seem to be confusing videoblogging as a medium with some form of  
citizen journalism.

I'm not sure how to distinguish them.

And
we can take it from there: Are there stories that citizen journalists  
can do better than a traditional news organisation? Which? Are there  
stories citizen journalists can't do as well? Which? Are there stories 

where the two compete on equal terms? Which?

I see no value at all to traditional news organizations in the face of
pervasive citizen journalism. My viewpoint may be extreme. I only read
mainstream reports because too few people blog yet.
Have you ever seen a news report on an issue about which you knew a
great deal? How did you feel about the coverage?

I can offer some answers, but I'd like to hear the thoughts of this
group  
first. I'm tired of ramblings about news media who only hire evil
people  
that are out to corrupt the planet, and I'm tired of conspiracy
theories  
about the Republican Party. I'd like to hear some thinking about media
and  
news.

Fine, but if you think that it's conspiracy theory to assert any social
effect to Rush Limbaugh, his 400 clones that have revitalized moribund
talk radio into a billion dollar industry, their grassroots groundswell
of dittoheads, White House spin master Roger Ailes' Fox News, and the
challenge of this alternative narrative to the legitimacy of the
mainstream media, I don't know how far we are going to get.

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[videoblogging] Re: What's the True Potential of the Videoblogging Community???

Enric wrote:

>>   Rather than blindly
>> >increasing voting turnout I think one would wish to discourage
>> >turnout among sectors not likely to see things the same way.
>>
>> This is bad, to promote subverting someone else right to vote on
>> ideological grounds.
>
>
>This is off topic now, but I must ask: where did you get the idea
that >I was suggesting the subversion of the right to vote? That would
imply >some legal institution of a poll tax or similar mechanism. Or
at the >very least, ballot tampering or voting machine shortages as
were seen >in Ohio.

Yes, we are definately off topic.  So I'll stop here.  Those that see
the lack of ethics and respect of human rights of choice and
consciousness in behind such tactics will see my point.  

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[videoblogging] Sub $500 Camcorder Recommendations for NORML Video Blog

2005-09-06 Thread Jack Olmsted

Two weeks ago I interviewed Allen St. Pierre, Executive Director of 
NORML (National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws), at the 
Seattle HempFest:

http://www.current.tv/studio/media/393105.htm

Last week with Allen's approval, I set-up a Video Blog for NORML:
http://normltv.blogspot.com

Over the weekend, Allen asked me to recommend a camcorder that he and 
his staff could use to update their Video Blog.

Today, he told me that his budget is around $500. 

What would you suggest and why?

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Re: [videoblogging] What's the True Potential of the Videoblogging Community???

Deirdre Straughan wrote:

  Millions
of the poor voted for Bush, and not because they were
suckered, but because he accurately reflected their values (of
patriotism, religion, and social traditionalism). 

We disagree on that point, but this is not the forum to discuss it.

I know. It's a common misconception held by Liberals. It's dispelled by
actually talking to white working class people, or reading pieces such
as this.

  In
that sense Bush is
not ignoring the interests of the poor at all. Rather than blindly
increasing voting turnout I think one would wish to discourage turnout
among sectors not likely to see things the same way.

No, I wouldn't. I bow to the will of the majority - they might even
know more than I do - but I'd like it to be a true (and preferably
informed) majority.

What (besides the irregularities of Ohio) would lead you to believe the
will of majority was not accurately manifested in this most recent
election and every one before that? Propagandization seems like a more
tractable goal than a general increase in political awareness among a
population which studiously avoids such content. 

  Cameras
cost money; the poor are least likely to own one. Vlogging is a
disruptive tool inherently serving the interests of the rich.

This group has successfully given away a few cameras to people who
otherwise couldn't afford them, and several members work very hard on
informing people about FREE resources for vlogging. So I don't think
only the rich need by served by it.

There is no contradiction here. If a few of the rich feel like
dispersing hardware and knowledge, that is what they will do. But it's
still them doing it. It is the agenda of the haves. There is no
escaping that.

Enric wrote:
  Rather
than blindly
>increasing voting turnout I think one would wish to discourage
>turnout among sectors not likely to see things the same way.

This is bad, to promote subverting someone else right to vote on
ideological grounds.

This is off topic now, but I must ask: where did you get the idea that
I was suggesting the subversion of the right to
vote? That would imply some legal institution of a poll tax or similar
mechanism. Or at the very least, ballot tampering or voting machine
shortages as were seen in Ohio.

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Re: [videoblogging] Gov't always wins the election

2005-09-06 Thread Andreas Haugstrup

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 19:01:31 +0200, Charles HOPE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

> Right now, blogging is mostly commentary, but as more people do it, it  
> will
> become more of a primary channel. Our culture is moving towards valuing  
> first-hand
> reports over passive-voiced experts. Blogs are fast, nimble, candid,  
> unfiltered.

Will this give you more legitimate (your word) news? Why and how? Are  
videoblogs only first-hand reports? Are first-hand reports better than  
other types of journalism? First-hand reports as journalism are not new.  
The Massachusetts Spy published first-hand accounts from the first battles  
of the American Revolution. You've seen them in every medium for hundreds  
of years!

Don't confuse the media with the sender. A medium doesn't carry with it  
rules like the ones you imply. Big Corp Inc. can videoblog and Joe Average  
can videoblog. If Fox News created a videoblog would their coverage be  
more legitimate news? Why/Why not?

You seem to be confusing videoblogging as a medium with some form of  
citizen journalism.

And we can take it from there: Are there stories that citizen journalists  
can do better than a traditional news organisation? Which? Are there  
stories citizen journalists can't do as well? Which? Are there stories  
where the two compete on equal terms? Which?

I can offer some answers, but I'd like to hear the thoughts of this group  
first. I'm tired of ramblings about news media who only hire evil people  
that are out to corrupt the planet, and I'm tired of conspiracy theories  
about the Republican Party. I'd like to hear some thinking about media and  
news.

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Re: [videoblogging] What's the True Potential of the Videoblogging Community???

2005-09-06 Thread Deirdre Straughan




Millions of the poor voted for Bush, and not because they were
suckered, but because he accurately reflected their values (of
patriotism, religion, and social traditionalism). 
We disagree on that point, but this is not the forum to discuss it.
In that sense Bush is
not ignoring the interests of the poor at all. Rather than blindly
increasing voting turnout I think one would wish to discourage turnout
among sectors not likely to see things the same way.
No, I wouldn't. I bow to the will of the majority - they might even
know more than I do - but I'd like it to be a true (and preferably
informed) majority.


Cameras cost money; the poor are least likely to own one. Vlogging is a
disruptive tool inherently serving the interests of the rich.
This group has successfully given away a few cameras to people who
otherwise couldn't afford them, and several members work very hard on
informing people about FREE resources for vlogging. So I don't think
only the rich need by served by it.


How can you use videoblogging as a channel of purely partisan
propaganda? 
Don't care, because that's not what I want to do. I'm neither
particularly partisan nor propagandistic. My dislike of Bush is purely
personal. ; )
 
You don't sell the steak, you sell the sizzle. Voting is
boring; you stand on a line to toggle a lever and walk away. But
issues! Issues are interesting. If they aren't interesting, it's your
job a vlogger to make them interesting.
Actually, my day job has more to do with facilitating vlogging, and I'm
interested in doing that for everybody, not just those who happen to
agree with me.
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[videoblogging] Re: What's the True Potential of the Videoblogging Community???

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Charles HOPE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Deirdre Straughan wrote:

>> The start of this thread was about "what can videobloggers do to
>>help ourselves and others prevent this kind of disaster in future?"
>>So now we're at "what can videoblogging do to improve the human
>>condition?" I threw my hat into the ring - I think that voting is
>>important and that if the poor (regardless of race) make their
>>voices more heard by voting, it will help, though of course it won't
>>solve everything. It is far easier for those in power to ignore the
>>concerns of the poor when they know that most of the poor don't
>>vote. I would hope that some compelling videos about politics,
>>voting, etc. might help. (FWIW, I did what I could for voter reg
>>last year with Democrats Abroad.)
>
>
>Millions of the poor voted for Bush, and not because they were
>suckered, but because he accurately reflected their values (of
>patriotism, religion, and social traditionalism). In that sense Bush
>is not ignoring the interests of the poor at all. Rather than blindly
>increasing voting turnout I think one would wish to discourage
>turnout among sectors not likely to see things the same way.

This is bad, to promote subverting someone else right to vote on
ideological grounds.

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Re: [videoblogging] No Paris Apple Expo Keynote

2005-09-06 Thread Jen Simmons

I never expected Apple to announce a whole new thing (like a 
iTunes/Apple-synced phone), and then three weeks later announce 
something else completely new (like a "regular iPod photo with video 
storage + playability). That's too many things too close together. If 
in fact they are adding both video and cellphone capabilities to 
iPod(ish) devices, then they'll announce both at one event.

And then they won't do anything until January. They can't announce 
something super-cool after people have started buying christmas 
presents, but before people have given them to each other.

Personally, I don't think we are going to see the kind of video support 
that we are imagining. It's just too early, and many more people will 
want a phone than a 'television' added to their iPod.

I'm more interested in whether this new Apple phone will have pda 
features. Can I sync it with my Addressbook? (I'm sure) Will I be able 
to look at my iCal calendar and make changes??? Well -- then we've got 
the Apple PDA that Steve Jobs swore he'd never make again. And they'd 
have another customer (me) saving to buy the thing. (Well, if it's a 
flip phone, for sure. I can't hear on those damn stick phones. Oh and 
what I really want is the ability to record from an external mic at 
16bit or better. You can hack a current-model iPod to do that, but I'd 
love to not have to hack the thing. See -- it's already too much for 
one device.)

We'll see tomorrow -- any word on the time (and timezone) and if 
there's a live streaming feed???
j

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On Sep 6, 2005, at 12:51 PM, Kunga wrote:

> This just in - no Keynote in Paris. I am in shock. I thought this
> would be the Video iPod launch point. If tomorrow is only the iTunes
> phone, then when and where will the Video iPod be introduced?
>
> Quote from the letter from the Paris Apple Expo:
>
> "... Apple Expo 2005, a five-day event that gives all a chance to try
> new products from Apple and over 250 companies.
>
> Apple Expo will begin at 11 a.m. (CET) Tuesday, September 20 at the
> Porte de Versailles in Paris. There will not be a formal keynote
> presentation at this year's Apple Expo at Palais des Congrès."
>
> -- 
> Taylor Barcroft
> New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist
> Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley
> http://FutureMedia.org
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[videoblogging] Re: No Paris Apple Expo Keynote

2005-09-06 Thread Steve Watkins

Maybe they dont wnt to decimate their current iPod sales by
pre-announcing a video version too far ahead of actual availability.

Similar fears were expressed with the Intel chip move announcement,
only they didnt have much choice with that, because they had to give
developers plenty of time to adjust. Not so with a video ipod.

Maybe they dont think the price will be right if they do it now.
Existing iPods dont compare too favourably with Sony PSP prices,
mostly due to hard drive in ipods and maybe Apples desire for higher
margins on the hardware.

Maybe they watch the Sony 'buy movies on special discs' approach with
interest. Maybe they just dont care about that because they will sell
medialess stuff via itunes.

Maybe tey are still playing with the design, Apple like their simple
users interface/controller paradigms, this will pose a challenge for
them if most of the front of a video ipod is screen not wheel.

Steve of Elbows

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> This just in - no Keynote in Paris. I am in shock. I thought this  
> would be the Video iPod launch point. If tomorrow is only the iTunes  
> phone, then when and where will the Video iPod be introduced?
> 
> Quote from the letter from the Paris Apple Expo:
> 
> "... Apple Expo 2005, a five-day event that gives all a chance to try  
> new products from Apple and over 250 companies.
> 
> Apple Expo will begin at 11 a.m. (CET) Tuesday, September 20 at the  
> Porte de Versailles in Paris. There will not be a formal keynote  
> presentation at this year's Apple Expo at Palais des Congrès."
> 
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Re: [videoblogging] Gov't always wins the election

Andreas Haugstrup wrote:

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:14:30 +0200, Charles HOPE
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

> This is what videoblogging can do. Future generations will
consider  
> videoblogged
> news to be more legitimate than institutional media.

Why?

Right now, blogging is mostly commentary, but as more people do it, it
will become more of a primary channel. Our culture is moving towards
valuing first-hand reports over passive-voiced experts. Blogs are fast,
nimble, candid, unfiltered. Look at the amount of positive feedback
given to interdictor and contrast it to the abuse routinely heaped upon
the mainstream media. Part of the new attitude could be due to the
orchestrated campaign on the part of the Republican party to discredit
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Re: [videoblogging] What's the True Potential of the Videoblogging Community???







Deirdre Straughan wrote:
The start of this thread was about "what can videobloggers
do to help
ourselves and others prevent this kind of disaster in future?" So now
we're at "what can videoblogging do to improve the human condition?" I
threw my hat into the ring - I think that voting is important and that
if the poor (regardless of race) make their voices more heard by
voting, it will help, though of course it won't solve everything. It is
far easier for those in power to ignore the concerns of the poor when
they know that most of the poor don't vote. I would hope that some
compelling videos about politics, voting, etc. might help. (FWIW, I did
what I could for voter reg last year with Democrats Abroad.)


Millions of the poor voted for Bush, and not because they were
suckered, but because he accurately reflected their values (of
patriotism, religion, and social traditionalism). In that sense Bush is
not ignoring the interests of the poor at all. Rather than blindly
increasing voting turnout I think one would wish to discourage turnout
among sectors not likely to see things the same way.

Cameras cost money; the poor are least likely to own one. Vlogging is a
disruptive tool inherently serving the interests of the rich.


So if you're not convinced that voting is the solution...
what DO you
suggest? Again, to stick to topic, we're looking for things that
*videobloggers* can do, presumably via their videoblogs.


How can you use videoblogging as a channel of purely partisan
propaganda? You don't sell the steak, you sell the sizzle. Voting is
boring; you stand on a line to toggle a lever and walk away. But
issues! Issues are interesting. If they aren't interesting, it's your
job a vlogger to make them interesting.






  
  
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[videoblogging] No Paris Apple Expo Keynote

2005-09-06 Thread Kunga

This just in - no Keynote in Paris. I am in shock. I thought this  
would be the Video iPod launch point. If tomorrow is only the iTunes  
phone, then when and where will the Video iPod be introduced?

Quote from the letter from the Paris Apple Expo:

"... Apple Expo 2005, a five-day event that gives all a chance to try  
new products from Apple and over 250 companies.

Apple Expo will begin at 11 a.m. (CET) Tuesday, September 20 at the  
Porte de Versailles in Paris. There will not be a formal keynote  
presentation at this year's Apple Expo at Palais des Congrès."

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Re: [videoblogging] Gov't always wins the election (was:What's the True Potential of the Videoblogging Community???)

2005-09-06 Thread Andreas Haugstrup

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:14:30 +0200, Charles HOPE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

> This is what videoblogging can do. Future generations will consider  
> videoblogged
> news to be more legitimate than institutional media.

Why?

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[videoblogging] Gov't always wins the election (was:What's the True Potential of the Videoblogging Community???)

Adrian Miles wrote:

around the 5/9/05 Markus Sandy mentioned about Re: [videoblogging] 
What's the True Potential of the Videob that:
>I see no reason to believe that.  It would seem that basic
statistics is
>against you on this (FWIW)
>
>I know of no theory that postulates: "If all the people who did not
vote
>had voted, then elections would come out different."

1. the argument is that if everyone has to vote then parties must 
have policies that represent them to garner their vote. if they don't 
vote, and you know they won't, then you don't have to address them.

Sounds like rather a free market argument.

2. the other side is to use proportional representation. this 
radically changes the nature of representational politics.

Whether Proportional Representation or the American Superparty system,
politics remains coalitional, and people are perpetually confronted
with a choice between the lesser of two evils. Thus issues of levee
maintenance are conflated with gay marriage. (And you believers in
democracy should have a good look here
and see that even when the machines are not hacked by Diebold, the
right way to count the votes is not clear.)

Complaints about voter turnout would seem to indicate that currently
most voters are Halliburton shareholders. 100% turnout in the last
Presidential election would not have changed the fact that both
candidates came from the same university and even the very same,
exclusive,  kinky fraternity as well. Who can wonder why Americans
don't vote? 

Should we try to retake that locked-down system somehow, or should we
consider it illegitmate and build alternate, decentralized institutions
among ourselves? This is what videoblogging can do. Future generations
will consider videoblogged news to be more legitimate than
institutional media.

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[videoblogging] New FireANT for Windows! Get it while its hot!

2005-09-06 Thread Joshua Kinberg

Just wanted to let everyone know that we've released a new public
version of FireANT for Windows today. Get it at http://GetFireAnt.com 
--  its free!

This version includes a lot of improvements, new functionality, and
bug fixes. All Windows users are encouraged to upgrade. And of course,
your feedback is very much appreciated as it helps us make FireANT
better. Please join our FireANT_for_PC discussion group at:
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FireANT_for_PC >

Thanks to everyone who helped us test our preview releases. And thanks
also to everyone out there creating, publishing, and syndicating
video. None of this would happen without your hard work and
dedication. You are what makes FireANT exciting!

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[videoblogging] PayPal Micropayments

2005-09-06 Thread Verdi

I saw this the other day - FYI
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[videoblogging] vb.info back up

2005-09-06 Thread petertheman

http://videoblogging.info/ is back up and running. Apologies for the
outage. The host it is running on isn't the best, and this was their
fault. We're considering moving it to another host.

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Re: [videoblogging] Various types of permission forms

2005-09-06 Thread Mat Wall-Smith

The fact is that we have always determined our own 'fair use' as consumers.
While I despise the illegal sharing of content for commercial gain or the
unauthorized use of music as underscore in commercial product I think that
as consumers we should ensure that fair use legislation is revised so that
its made workable. Obviously running in fear of litigation is not going to
help the industry music industry help itself and stop this ridiculous
estrangement of its best customers. If I buy a CD then I should be able to
use the contents of that CD for the production of personal media. A
Videoblog is not necessarily personal media but a lot of the time it
definitely is. If I am posting Video's to the net of my baby girl so that
the grandparents can see her grow then I should be able to play a CD track
(that I own) behind it just as I would in my lounge room. I see the act as
political, as activism, and I really think that a standard workable in
networked world needs to be asserted by the consumer as an alternative to
the insane atmosphere that is being propagated by the 'never fair' industry.

But yeah I do it knowing I could be sued. I don't ever think that somehow I
am 'below' the reach of this insanity. But that doesn't mean I am going to
take it lying down in compliance.

Yep my blog is a publication, just like my zine was, just like Fear of a
Black Planet was, just like that photocopy I might give to my students, or
the sound I might post as an example, or the use of remediated video in a
lecture, or the compilations I use to dub on my tape deck and hand out to
friends, or the cover I play at a local pub...

You get the point.

On 6/9/05 8:29 PM, "Adrian Miles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> around the 5/9/05 Randolfe Wicker mentioned about Re: [videoblogging]
> Various types of permission forms that:
>> Actually a lot of vloggers use music they don't have a license for
>> in their vlogs.  The fact is that no one bothers "suing them"
>> because their using the music has virtually no real impact.
>> 
> 
> this is nonsense. I can't say that strongly enough. Get slashdotted
> and your music will matter. Get shown via *any* commercial media and
> your music will matter. People once said this about anything on the
> web, it is not the case now. Just because big media haven't caught
> on, doesn't mean that when they do, they won't play serious catch up.
> 
>> Yes, vlogging could be considered to be one step up from home
>> movies.  With vlogging you can share what might otherwise be home
>> movies with friends, even the whole world if the whole world was
>> interested enough to drop by and watch them.
> 
> absolutely not. a home movie is played to your immediate
> family/friends in home. It is not broadcast/distributed. A blog is a
> publication.
> 
> In video sales if you buy a home VHS tape and show it to a school
> group, you've broken the law. The home VHS is for home use only. The
> copy you buy for schools is for showing to a group and (usually)
> costs approx. 10 x the domestic cost. Such things exist and are
> standard practice. that this might be breached every now and then,
> just like photocopying a whole book because you can't get your own
> copy, doesn't make it legal. Minor moments don't matter, when it
> becomes a standard practice, it does.
> 
>> 
>> Technically, you might be right insofar as "legalities" are
>> concerned.  However, like those labels that they used to have on
>> cigarette packages which said it was illegal "not" to break them, a
>> lot of laws are really ignored.
> 
> which is what napster thought. Which is what lots of low budget film
> makers thought until their film can't be legally shown anywhere.
> There *are* stories of people who have film screened, only to receive
> letter from legal firm requesting tens of thousands of dollars since
> that is how much the rights to the lyrics/music costs.
> 
> I really think videobloggers are naive if they think these rules
> don't apply to them. Without clearance your material cannot be shown
> in awards/festivals and cannot be broadcast. Basically you don't want
> to be the person that is the first one pursued for this, because the
> industry will not play nicely.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: tom green

2005-09-06 Thread Steve Garfield

Don't freak Verdi out like that.

Tom doesn't have Verdi's email up there...

--Steve

On Sep 6, 2005, at 7:52 AM, James A. Donnelly wrote:

> VERDI, do you know that Tom Greene now has your picture, and email up  
> on his website!!!
> jad
>
> www.dummycast.com

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: tom green

2005-09-06 Thread Verdi

Yeah I saw that.  NOW I WILL BE FAMOUS! :)

Verdi

On Sep 6, 2005, at 6:52 AM, James A. Donnelly wrote:

> VERDI, do you know that Tom Greene now has your picture, and email  
> up on his website!!!
> jad

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[videoblogging] Re: tom green

2005-09-06 Thread James A. Donnelly

VERDI, do you know that Tom Greene now has your picture, and email up on his 
website!!!
jad

www.dummycast.com


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> he apparently uses http://videoaddon.com/ and as far as I can tell, its not 
> meant to be rss friendly :(
> 
> sull
> 
> On 9/5/05, Verdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > Done.
> > 
> > On Sep 5, 2005, at 6:02 PM, Jen Simmons wrote:
> > 
> > > anybody want to email Tom Green and tell him?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: [videoblogging] Various types of permission forms

around the 5/9/05 Randolfe Wicker mentioned about Re: [videoblogging] 
Various types of permission forms that:
>Actually a lot of vloggers use music they don't have a license for 
>in their vlogs.  The fact is that no one bothers "suing them" 
>because their using the music has virtually no real impact.
>

this is nonsense. I can't say that strongly enough. Get slashdotted 
and your music will matter. Get shown via *any* commercial media and 
your music will matter. People once said this about anything on the 
web, it is not the case now. Just because big media haven't caught 
on, doesn't mean that when they do, they won't play serious catch up.

>Yes, vlogging could be considered to be one step up from home 
>movies.  With vlogging you can share what might otherwise be home 
>movies with friends, even the whole world if the whole world was 
>interested enough to drop by and watch them.

absolutely not. a home movie is played to your immediate 
family/friends in home. It is not broadcast/distributed. A blog is a 
publication.

In video sales if you buy a home VHS tape and show it to a school 
group, you've broken the law. The home VHS is for home use only. The 
copy you buy for schools is for showing to a group and (usually) 
costs approx. 10 x the domestic cost. Such things exist and are 
standard practice. that this might be breached every now and then, 
just like photocopying a whole book because you can't get your own 
copy, doesn't make it legal. Minor moments don't matter, when it 
becomes a standard practice, it does.

>
>Technically, you might be right insofar as "legalities" are 
>concerned.  However, like those labels that they used to have on 
>cigarette packages which said it was illegal "not" to break them, a 
>lot of laws are really ignored.

which is what napster thought. Which is what lots of low budget film 
makers thought until their film can't be legally shown anywhere. 
There *are* stories of people who have film screened, only to receive 
letter from legal firm requesting tens of thousands of dollars since 
that is how much the rights to the lyrics/music costs.

I really think videobloggers are naive if they think these rules 
don't apply to them. Without clearance your material cannot be shown 
in awards/festivals and cannot be broadcast. Basically you don't want 
to be the person that is the first one pursued for this, because the 
industry will not play nicely.
-- 
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[videoblogging] katrina videos

2005-09-06 Thread petertheman

Wanted to point out the katrina tag on mefeedia, it has some of the
news stories, and some of the vlogger responses. It's far from
complete still.

http://mefeedia.com/tags/katrina/

I unfortunately don't have the bandwidth to watch videos right now, so
if others could tag videos in mefeedia with 'katrina', that'd help..

Peter




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[videoblogging] Re: What's the True Potential of the Videoblogging Community???

2005-09-06 Thread Its A Mystery and So Im I

The government has cut federal grants like Pell and schools
increase tuition. Soon even community college will be out reach 
for those who can't afford to go to regular four schools.

Bush's "No Left Behind" program was supposed to help get kids
the support they need.  It has fallen short and added another
obstable for disadvantaged kids to overcome.  America is literally
killings its future. We need something revolutionary like the 
"New Deal" for education.  Like the Katrina tragedy if we don't
pay now we will pay a higher cost down the road.

Maybe we need issue-based vlog psa's that help to educate the 
public in the importance in supporting these reform policies.

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wrote:
> I agree with Michael.  Nothing works better when you are faced with 
thousands of poor people without money or jobs than exporting them to 
neighboring cities and states.  It is like passing the poor around 
and sharing what should be your burden with the world at large.
> 
> I hope citizen journalists and vloggers keep track of this 
dispersed misery and keep it from being ignored.  A couple hundred 
new poor homeless people scattered to this city and that city will 
quickly become "lost in the crowd".
> 
> Most of them are poor because means to enhance oneself like 
education has become rationed by states like Louisiana and 
Mississippi which are too cheap to invest in educating young people 
today to make them productive citizens tomorrow.

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Re: [videoblogging] tom green

2005-09-06 Thread Michael Sullivan




he apparently uses http://videoaddon.com/ and as far as I can tell, its not meant to be rss friendly :(

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[videoblogging] Poll results for videoblogging

2005-09-06 Thread videoblogging


The following videoblogging poll is now closed.  Here are the 
final results: 


POLL QUESTION: Are you an idiot to use H.264? 

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Yes, 1 votes, 14.29%  
- No, 4 votes, 57.14%  
- Don't Care, 1 votes, 14.29%  
- Huh?, 1 votes, 14.29%  

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Re: [videoblogging] tom green

2005-09-06 Thread David Howell

Good to see that Freddy Got Fingered is basically how he acts on a  
normal day.

David Howell
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On Sep 5, 2005, at 6:25 PM, Verdi wrote:

> Done.
>
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[videoblogging] word's getting out, citizen video reportage is in

2005-09-06 Thread robert a/k/a r

Charge your camera batteries, and get ready for increased vlog interest. Peeps will only be hearing more about vlogging from big media as the Katrina debacle continues to unfurl.

Posted link to NYT reportage here on new and somewhat lame vlognews (still determining scope for site):

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