Re: [videoblogging] Check week at blip.tv

2010-04-09 Thread Kath O'Donnell
ha I tried blip ads for a month and made 11c (so what's that about AUS0.20?)
then turned it off. obviously my videos aren't money making ones but it was
interesting to try it  see how it worked.


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Remember when it was all 320x240?

2010-02-11 Thread Kath O'Donnell
 My ISP here in our London office has started throttling our ADSL
broadband - presumably because we use lots of video.  Upload speeds
have died - it took me 45 minutes to upload a 30mb video yesterday.

welcome to the Australian way..





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Re: [videoblogging] Videoblogger's Fundraiser

2010-01-04 Thread Kath O'Donnell
are you thinking of http://havemoneywillvlog.com? great project

2010/1/5 johnleeke johnle...@historichomeworks.com



 What was the project started a couple of years ago that was designed to
 raise funds for video bloggers?

 I recall contributing to a couple of the video bloggers, but now I can't
 find the website.

 Thanks!

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Re: [videoblogging] Video website payments and accountability

2009-12-15 Thread Kath O'Donnell
I'm trying the blip.tv ads - added them 1-2 weeks ago  so far it says
they've made $0.28! at this rate they should pay for a coffee every 3 months
or so. not sure if I'll keep them, but I wanted to see how the process works
so giving it a go


2009/12/16 Jay dedman jay.ded...@gmail.com



 I'm really skeptical of advertising in videos. Not out of moral issuesI
 just cant believe it's an effective payback for sponsors. Is any one here
 making any kind of money at all from ads on their videos?




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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vloggercon - why only two times?

2009-12-05 Thread Kath O'Donnell
hi Jenna, to further Rupert's point, are you looking at the videoblogging
projects as well as the in-person-conferences? as I think these have been
quite successful over the years and have participants from different
countries  videoblogging styles. eg the vb-weeks, Vlomo (Navlopomo),
Verdi's 24/24, Rupert's recent vlomo 30/30/30, carp caviar, Jay  Ryanne's
Have Money Will Vlog, etc. others can prob remember more

2009/12/6 RANDY MANN themaddm...@gmail.com



 vlogger con 3 boston march 2010


 On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Rupert 
 rup...@twittervlog.tvrupert%40twittervlog.tv
 wrote:

  This goes to the heart of what videoblogging is, I think.
 
  - What is the content?
  - Why do people do it?
  - Where do they do it?
  - How many of them are there?
  - What do they have in common with each other?
 
  The truth is that people are making wildly different types of content
  and have massively different interests and reasons for doing this.
  But back in the early days, we all had this huge thing in common,
  which was that we were early adopters, imagining what the future would
  look like and how the tech would work. I think that made up the main
  part of what people would talk about when they met in groups, right?
  And because there were just a few people around the world, it felt
  like a special mission, deserving of extraordinary expense and time.
  Now that future is here and most of the unknowns are pretty much
  known, that's one massive incentive to meet up that's been removed.
  The rest of what we do is done online, so travelling hundreds or
  thousands of miles to hang out and chat in person just doesn't have
  the same pull.
 
  But meeting up to either work on projects or screen things might be
  different.
 
  Still, I notice that most conferences are very local - city-
  specific. Attracting a larger base of people mostly interested in
  commercial applications of technology so they can justify taking the
  day off and expensing the conference fee...
 
  So if we were to do more of these kind of things, I think they'd have
  to be local. (i'm sure this is why VlogEurope has kept going for 5
  years).
 
  Rupert
  http://twittervlog.tv
 
 
 
 
 
  On 5 Dec 2009, at 19:51, Michael Verdi wrote:
 
   Maybe another part of another not happening is that I think there were
   two big motivations (figure stuff out and meet each other in person)
   and there's really not a lot of urgency behind them anymore. There's
   only so many conferences on the figuring the tech stuff out that you
   can have. The information has been pretty well disseminated. I
   recently went to a local brown bag coworking session and a few people
   were doing a presentation on videoblogging. It was really strange
   because it was almost an exact replica of a demo I've given over and
   over yet, nobody there had any idea who I was (not that they should).
   So it feels like, especially for this group, that that part has been
   taken care of. As for the meeting in person aspect, that still happens
   but just on a smaller scale at other conferences. I live an hour down
   the road from SXSW and a few times in recent years I've just gone up
   there to meet people for lunch and dinner. The Open Video Conference
   was cool this last summer - a good sized group of us hung out there.
  
   -Verdi
  
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   http://michaelverdi.com
   http://talkbot.tv
  
  
 
 
 
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Re: [videoblogging] early days, blogs in different society and vogma manifesto

2009-12-02 Thread Kath O'Donnell
there was also a list called vlogtheory too
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vlogtheory which might have some discussions
you'd be interested in
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Re: [videoblogging] early days, blogs in different society and vogma manifesto

2009-12-02 Thread Kath O'Donnell
oh  there's video vortex now too (but it's more recent than below)
http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/videovortex_listcultures.org


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Re: [videoblogging] Day 30: 30 Day 30 People 30 Videos

2009-11-30 Thread Kath O'Donnell
great work everyone! I've got to catch up watching the last week. but
they've all been amazing!

2009/12/1 Frank Carver frank.car...@googlemail.com



 2009/11/30 Rupert rup...@twittervlog.tv rupert%40twittervlog.tv:

  I'm psyched to see this.  Today is my last day at my job.  I've been
  saving the last two weeks worth of videos to watch in one go to
  celebrate.  Congrats to everybody for making their video and making
  this happen.

 I'm really impressed, too. Well done everyone!

 What I'd really like, though, is to edit together the whole thing into
 one video as was suggested at the start. I tried earlier in the month,
 but was unable to download several of the entries from their various
 video hosting sites.

 Does anyone have the requisite download-fu to grab all of the videos
 and place them into a single sequence? I realize that the interactive
 and looping entries would need to be dumbed down for this sort of
 presentation, but I'd still love to bable to watch the whole game from
 start to finish.

 Any thoughts?

 Frank.
  




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Re: [videoblogging] It's Done!

2009-11-30 Thread Kath O'Donnell
sorry to hear about your Mother Ian, I didn't realize. your video was great
inspiration for the theme so don't beat yourself up about it.

I meant to do more in isadora/processing but didn't get time. was going ok
for first couple of weeks then things got away from me and I missed a few
days (some I took video but haven't uploaded yet) in the last couple of
weeks. was a good nudge to remember to take the camera out, though next time
I might stick to 12seconds or SD only as the HD ones are taking me forever
to convert/save/upload

great work everyone!
kath


2009/12/1 Ian Beaumont i.beaum...@virgin.net



 Well, I'd set myself a target.

 I failed miserably. I only did 5 days of videos.

 However, I do have a reason.

 Just before everything was due to begin, my mother died in hospital. She
 was 78. She'd been ill for sometime with C.O.P.D. As a result, my mindset
 was never really in the project. I thought I would have the day I picked for
 my contribution as a day off. But no, I was asked to work all day that day.

 As a result, my contribution ended up being a quick edit of old footage.
 Not what I really wanted to do at all. And my plan to try different video
 types and locations just ran out of creative steam far too early. It was a
 great project though, and I felt that everybody elses contributions way
 outshone mine. But, you know where my mind was.

 If I was a little more planned, I'd be doing Countdown To Christmas
 videos as well. But my head and heart have not really been in it.

 Here's hoping that next year will be better.

 Ian B

 - Original Message -
 From: mgmoon
 To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:16 PM
 Subject: [videoblogging] It's Done!

 I just posted my final video for NaVloPoMo09 ... 30 Things in 30 Days.
 It was a ton of work, it took up too much of my time, I'm backlogged with
 other responsibilities, I'm glad I did it and I'm happy it's over.
 http://mikemoon.net/vlog/2009/11/30/0130-north-carolina-memories/

 How did you do?

 Mike
 http://vlog.mikemoon.net

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Navlopomo day 24 now available

2009-11-24 Thread Kath O'Donnell
hi Frank, sorry I can't recall seeing the embed field in previous uploads,
but I tried it now with another blip video using the othe other url in the
blip dashboard list.

eg if I use the permalink for url= http://blip.tv/file/id I don't see the
embed field  it fills in all the video details from my blip post.

if I use the episode details url=http://blip.tv/dashboard/episode/id then
it does see the embed  I have to fill in all the details - it looks like
this page hasn't recognized it's a video you u might have to paste the blip
embed code??

I haven't tried a .wmv file  so not sure if that's related?

also, if I use the direct link .flv file as the url then it uses that nice
player which keeps a snapshot of the video as the background, but you need
to enter all the description/tags etc manually (just paste from blip). can't
recall having to enter embed code using this method though..

hth
kath


2009/11/25 Frank Carver frank.car...@googlemail.com

 However, I am having trouble with the form to add a video to the 30
 days videobloggers miro community. The form insists I put something in
 a field named embed, but I have no idea what to put there. Can
 anyone who has done this already give any hints?




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[videoblogging] Fwd: videovortex video editing with open source tools

2009-11-21 Thread Kath O'Donnell
probably of some interest to some here..

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Date: 2009/11/22
Subject: videovortex video editing with open source tools
To: videovor...@listcultures.org


Video editing with open source tools


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Re: [videoblogging] navlopomo day 18

2009-11-18 Thread Kath O'Donnell
I thought your video was great. I wouldn't worry about the duration - I
didn't notice until the email. I liked how you explained what you were
thinking of when making it. loved the running in the bush footage - it's
like those cameras on animals footage but higher above the ground. do you
mount a cam on your head/hat or something? I want to do that for my bike
(bicyle) helmet one day
kath

2009/11/19 Ernie djsh...@googlemail.com



 If this is going to be a place of smug gits let me know now. I¹ll gladly
 leave and pull my video. Tell us ALL the rule


 On 18/11/2009 21:40, miglsd27 mig...@gmail.com miglsd%40gmail.com
 wrote:

 
 
 
 
 
 
  Ah!!! I love it! And it took us to day 18 to see someone break the only
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Day 13

2009-11-15 Thread Kath O'Donnell
haha thanks.  it's done - should be up on miro shortly
I think it's sunday in USA now too? UK too? :)
let me know if any problems viewing it.

2009/11/15 John Coffey jimmycrackhead2...@yahoo.com



 Hurry Hurry and best of luck! It's Sunday down under now!

 Jimmy CraicHead TV Video Podcast about Sailing, Travel, Craic and Cocktails
 www.jchtv.com

 --- On Sat, 11/14/09, Kath O'Donnell alia...@gmail.comaliak77%40gmail.com
 wrote:

 From: Kath O'Donnell alia...@gmail.com aliak77%40gmail.com

 Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Day 13
 To: Ian Beaumont i.beaum...@virgin.net i.beaumont%40virgin.net
 Cc: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com,
 Rupert Howe rup...@chapterplay.tv rupert%40chapterplay.tv, Topher
 ottorab...@gmail.com ottorabbit%40gmail.com, Cheryl Colan 
 cheryl.co...@gmail.com cheryl.colan%40gmail.com
 Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 7:26 PM


 thanks Ian, ack, have watched your video - great theme!
 and thanks Mike, the alternative video url of Michael's video worked for me
 just now. sorry for the false alarm last night, maybe I hadn't waited long
 enough. yes very cool style!

 Cheryl, I'll let you know once I'm done

 2009/11/15 Ian Beaumont i.beaum...@virgin.net i.beaumont%40virgin.net

   Okay, my entry is up.  It's called Time Travel.
 
  http://cityprod.blogspot.com/2009/11/time-travel.html
 
  That's for the blog, or for the video itself,
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe-TajMBL4E
 
  Ian B
 
 
  - Original Message -
   *From:* Michael Sean Kaminsky 
  kaminsky...@gmail.comkaminskynyc%40gmail.com
 
   *To:* Kath O'Donnell alia...@gmail.com aliak77%40gmail.com
  *Cc:* videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com ;
 Rupert Howe rup...@chapterplay.tv rupert%40chapterplay.tv;
  Topher ottorab...@gmail.com ottorabbit%40gmail.com
  *Sent:* Saturday, November 14, 2009 2:20 PM
  *Subject:* Re: [videoblogging] Re: Day 13
 
 
 
  There was an encoding problem. I've left it uploading to try again but
  won't be home again until this eve to troubleshoot if it still doesn't
  work. Ian has seen it though! Phew.
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Nov 14, 2009, at 6:58 AM, Kath O'Donnell 
  alia...@gmail.comaliak77%40gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   hi, is the video playing ok for anyone else? I tried to watch it but
   it seems to not be a valid file (1k) - for download, hd, mov
   version. hoping it's just my computer. (so no probs for Ian). same
   on miro site. other blip videos are working for me. (just checking)
  
Below is Day 13! On to you Ian...
   
(p.s. ian - let me know that you got this okay).
   
http://blip.tv/file/2847735
  
  
  
  
  
   2009/11/14 Ian Beaumont 
   i.beaum...@virgin.neti.beaumont%40virgin.neti.beaumont%
 40virgin.net

  
  
   Got it ok. off to work, but will be working on this later.
  
   Ian B
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Michael Sean Kaminsky 
   kaminsky...@gmail.comkaminskynyc%40gmail.com
 kaminskynyc%40gmail.com
  
   To: Rupert Howe rup...@chapterplay.tv rupert%40chapterplay.tvrupert%
 40chapterplay.tv; 
  videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
  videoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%
 40yahoogroups.com
   
   Cc: Topher ottorab...@gmail.com ottorabbit%40gmail.comottorabbit%
 40gmail.com; Ian
  Beaumont i.beaum...@virgin.net i.beaumont%40virgin.net i.beaumont%
 40virgin.net
   
   Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 5:35 AM
   Subject: Day 13
  
Below is Day 13! On to you Ian...
   
(p.s. ian - let me know that you got this okay).
   
http://blip.tv/file/2847735
  
  
  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Day 13

2009-11-14 Thread Kath O'Donnell
hi, is the video playing ok for anyone else? I tried to watch it but it
seems to not be a valid file (1k) - for download, hd, mov version. hoping
it's just my computer. (so no probs for Ian). same on miro site. other blip
videos are working for me. (just checking)

 Below is Day 13! On to you Ian...

 (p.s. ian - let me know that you got this okay).

 http://blip.tv/file/2847735





2009/11/14 Ian Beaumont i.beaum...@virgin.net



 Got it ok. off to work, but will be working on this later.

 Ian B

 - Original Message -
 From: Michael Sean Kaminsky kaminsky...@gmail.comkaminskynyc%40gmail.com
 
 To: Rupert Howe rup...@chapterplay.tv rupert%40chapterplay.tv; 
 videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com
 Cc: Topher ottorab...@gmail.com ottorabbit%40gmail.com; Ian
 Beaumont i.beaum...@virgin.net i.beaumont%40virgin.net
 Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 5:35 AM
 Subject: Day 13

  Below is Day 13! On to you Ian...
 
  (p.s. ian - let me know that you got this okay).
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Day 13

2009-11-14 Thread Kath O'Donnell
thanks Ian, ack, have watched your video - great theme!
and thanks Mike, the alternative video url of Michael's video worked for me
just now. sorry for the false alarm last night, maybe I hadn't waited long
enough. yes very cool style!

Cheryl, I'll let you know once I'm done

2009/11/15 Ian Beaumont i.beaum...@virgin.net

  Okay, my entry is up.  It's called Time Travel.

 http://cityprod.blogspot.com/2009/11/time-travel.html

 That's for the blog, or for the video itself,

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe-TajMBL4E

 Ian B


 - Original Message -
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  *To:* Kath O'Donnell alia...@gmail.com
 *Cc:* videoblogging@yahoogroups.com ; Rupert Howe rup...@chapterplay.tv;
 Topher ottorab...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, November 14, 2009 2:20 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [videoblogging] Re: Day 13



 There was an encoding problem. I've left it uploading to try again but
 won't be home again until this eve to troubleshoot if it still doesn't
 work. Ian has seen it though! Phew.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 14, 2009, at 6:58 AM, Kath O'Donnell alia...@gmail.com wrote:

  hi, is the video playing ok for anyone else? I tried to watch it but
  it seems to not be a valid file (1k) - for download, hd, mov
  version. hoping it's just my computer. (so no probs for Ian). same
  on miro site. other blip videos are working for me. (just checking)
 
   Below is Day 13! On to you Ian...
  
   (p.s. ian - let me know that you got this okay).
  
   http://blip.tv/file/2847735
 
 
 
 
 
  2009/11/14 Ian Beaumont i.beaum...@virgin.net i.beaumont%40virgin.net
 
 
  Got it ok. off to work, but will be working on this later.
 
  Ian B
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Michael Sean Kaminsky 
  kaminsky...@gmail.comkaminskynyc%40gmail.com
 
  To: Rupert Howe rup...@chapterplay.tv rupert%40chapterplay.tv; 
 videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com
  
  Cc: Topher ottorab...@gmail.com ottorabbit%40gmail.com; Ian
 Beaumont i.beaum...@virgin.net i.beaumont%40virgin.net
  
  Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 5:35 AM
  Subject: Day 13
 
   Below is Day 13! On to you Ian...
  
   (p.s. ian - let me know that you got this okay).
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Slow HD editing

2009-11-08 Thread Kath O'Donnell
I use VoltaicHD on mac for my HD videos, as the camera stores them as .mts
files so I need to convert before editing. ( I couldn't get mpeg streamclip
to do this) works well. though yes, it takes time  makes large files but
they convert down afterwards to smaller files. which is sometimes why I want
to just do sd with nokia n95 as it's much more convenient/quicker to upload.


2009/11/9 David Jones david.jo...@altium.com



 On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:59 AM, compumavengal
 compumaven...@earthlink.net compumavengal%40earthlink.net wrote:
 
  David J. I get it, you want what you want how you want it. I might have
 found an option that isn't gonna cost money to try the demo.
 
  VoltaicHD http://shedworx.com/voltaichd
 
  I haven't used this program so I can't attest to the quality. It states
 that it can convert to any Mac and PC option so it seems that you can
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[videoblogging] demand video model

2009-10-29 Thread Kath O'Donnell
anyone seen this?
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/10/ff_demandmedia

is it the video-production version of Amazon's mechanical turk / sweatshop?
or workers for the library in Snow Crash?
maybe these will be the sorts of jobs the next generation will move into


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Re: [videoblogging] demand video model

2009-10-29 Thread Kath O'Donnell
yeah it's pretty bad. just wondering if there'll be 'professional
videobloggers' like the 'professional bloggers' who write on similar sites
with paid-for-content.
or maybe they're trying to be bought by google  won't care if they're then
shutdown? the pay is very low, but it's a lot for people in some countries
who work online.

2009/10/29 Rupert Howe rup...@twittervlog.tv



 Jesus, this is horrible. Any company that produces instructional
 spam, paying minimum wage for media production, in order to get their
 videos listed at the top of Google's results, will die a nasty and
 expensive death. One of Google's highest priorities is defeating spam
 in listings. And SEO is a terrible thing to have to rely on. A few
 weeks ago, a friend was telling me a story about when Yahoo bought
 Kelkoo, a shopping comparison site that used to appear at the top of
 all Google listings. The next day, Google shut down all Kelkoo's
 listings. Their traffic completely died overnight. Eventually,
 Kelkoo signed a deal for Google paid ads...

 This company (Demand Media) is counting on Google ranking video
 content high in their listings. Forgetting that this is because a)
 Google owns YouTube; b) most video is organically submitted to the web
 and linked to and commented on by *people*; and c) whatever the
 medium, Google hates shitty mass-produced content whose only aim is to
 trick Google into giving it a good ranking, so they can make money
 from advertising.

 Maybe you're right - maybe the next generation will move into this
 kind of content production work - but hopefully not for these kind of
 rates, with this kind of unsustainable business model.


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  anyone seen this?
  http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/10/ff_demandmedia
 
  is it the video-production version of Amazon's mechanical turk /
  sweatshop?
  or workers for the library in Snow Crash?
  maybe these will be the sorts of jobs the next generation will move
  into
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Advertising and personal vlogs : Was, Blip doesn't love me anymore?

2009-10-28 Thread Kath O'Donnell
I love blip.tv because the video quality looks great (closest to source)  I
like how they post the embed codes  download links as I'm basically a lazy
(timepoor) person and like them so I don't have to think as much. youtube
compresses a lot. I suppose the other option is to upload onto our own
servers as in general (for me at least), since they're personal/niche videos
they're not getting a lot of views so likely wouldn't throw out the
bandwidth costs too much. I'd have to shift hosting sites though as I'm
still on my orig one which doesn't have the large storage like some of the
US cheaper ones. this would mean people would miss out on the traffic they
might get from people browsing all/topic vids on sites like blip/vimeo - the
community aspects. but I guess if it happened, there'd be other video
curation sites popping up where people can post urls for viewers to browse 
it wouldn't matter where they were hosted. (like Andrew Baron's new site?
haven't played there much yet)


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: NaVloPoMo 2009-we should -still try 1 video a day

2009-10-21 Thread Kath O'Donnell
I'm going to attempt a video each day + the community game. I think I'll
manage 1 a week + game-day in reality :) but I'm going to use it as an
excuse/project to try learn more processing or maybe modul8 or isadora. they
might be quick 12seconds.tv duration tests/samples though. other years I got
all days done but sometimes I caught up later due to work hours, and I found
I was often posting same sort of stuff just because I was meant to post a
video. I was sometimes away from my computer so didn't have s/w I wanted to
play in so they ended up as drive-to-work or hotel videos ;)
am looking forward to seeing what everyone comes up with. running 2 projects
sounds like a great solution.
  thanks again Rupert for helping me with the youtube uploads! was driving
me crazy how it drops the res so much  I didn't know it could take divx 
work better - learnt a lot!
kath


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: NaVloPoMo 2009

2009-10-20 Thread Kath O'Donnell
could we double up on days so everyone can play? maybe the person on the
next day could choose one of the two or be inspired by both?

2009/10/21 Richard (Show) Hall rich...@richardshow.org



 All taken ... how sad :(

 ...richard




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Re: [videoblogging] Re: NaVloPoMo 2009

2009-10-19 Thread Kath O'Donnell
I'm in. could I do 15th (any day is ok if u need to shift me though)
great idea Rupert!

2009/10/20 Ian Beaumont i.beaum...@virgin.net



 I'll volunteer to take the 14th

 Ian B


 - Original Message -
 From: Rupert Howe
 To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 8:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: NaVloPoMo 2009

 Brilliant!

 I've created a Google Calendar for it, which you can see here:

 http://tinyurl.com/navlocal

 Added Sull, Verdi, Quirk, Dee, Sean, Heath. Great start :)

 If anybody feels like tweeting it for those people who don't check
 this list daily, that'd be great - I'm away from Twitter today.
 Figure the hashtag should just be #navlopomo

 Rupert
 http://twittervlog.tv

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Re: [videoblogging] Videoblogging social network

2009-09-21 Thread Kath O'Donnell
ning could work. I'm on a couple of ning sites (we make zines  subversive
knitting)  they work quite well. I never check facebook groups unless
someone directs me. but ning sends me an email for some of the posts so I
check more often. plus it's prob easier for someone to manage? (admin wise)

drupal is good too if someone has time to set it up. I'd prob vote ning as
first pick

2009/9/21 Rupert Howe rup...@twittervlog.tv



 I know we return to this every so often - how to add more
 functionality to this list... I just had a thought, so I wanted to
 jot it down here while it was still fresh.




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Re: [videoblogging] Videoblogging social network

2009-09-21 Thread Kath O'Donnell
ok myabe drupal then if you want opensource/exportable. it's great for
community sites. or joomla (the online course sites I use
maybelogic.netuses joomla. has forums etc too, not sure about video
but there's prob a
joomla plugin)

the ning emails I get are links back to the site to read the posts - not
sure if this is configurable by admins?
but if someone sends me a message to my user account I see most of the
message (it truncates in the email but has a link to the site)


2009/9/21 Rupert Howe rup...@twittervlog.tv



 I remember the biggest complaint about Ning during Navlopomo was that
 they didn't include the text of the message in the emails they send
 you. Have they changed that?


 On 21-Sep-09, at 12:26 PM, Kath O'Donnell wrote:

  ning could work. I'm on a couple of ning sites (we make zines 
  subversive
  knitting)  they work quite well. I never check facebook groups unless
  someone directs me. but ning sends me an email for some of the posts
  so I
  check more often. plus it's prob easier for someone to manage?
  (admin wise)
 
  drupal is good too if someone has time to set it up. I'd prob vote
  ning as
  first pick
 
  2009/9/21 Rupert Howe rup...@twittervlog.tv rupert%40twittervlog.tv
 
  
  
   I know we return to this every so often - how to add more
   functionality to this list... I just had a thought, so I wanted to
   jot it down here while it was still fresh.
  
  
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Why I'm grateful to this group, reason #2,454,782

2009-09-17 Thread Kath O'Donnell
congrats Jeffrey! sounds like a great cause

2009/9/18 Jeffrey Taylor thejeffreytay...@gmail.com



 I'm really thrilled to announce that I was asked to join the statewide
 board
 (IAG) charged with restoring marriage equality in California by repealing
 Proposition 8 in California. You can read the press release here:


 http://www.restoreequality2010.com/2009/09/restore-equality-2010-welcomes-jeffrey-taylor-to-interim-administrative-group/




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Re: [videoblogging] Re: which videoblogs do you recommend?

2009-08-05 Thread Kath O'Donnell
thanks Rupert. I tend to watch some on your list when I have a chance + ones
in the projects eg VloMo, vbweek when I get in a videoing frenzy.  if any
are mentioned in the artist in the clouds list I watch them + lately ones in
the twitter stream though I miss some due to timezone differences unless I
search back but don't always have time to do that.  so I guess a few people
here are my filters :) @kathodonnell


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Re: [videoblogging] Magma

2009-08-05 Thread Kath O'Donnell
thanks Andrew. sounds interesting
maybe we need another vb project  then we can use the site and get a feel
for it. (maybe I just need a project;)


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Re: [videoblogging] Artists and Healthcare

2009-05-25 Thread Kath O'Donnell
maybe you need to talk to the unions or start one (not just
videobloggers - all citizens). and get them to negotiate proper
conditions.
I also find it crazy there's no national healthcare system in America.
I think Australians would down tools and go on strike if the govt ever
considered getting rid of medicare here. we get tax breaks for having
private health cover, but public medicare system is still available
for those without private cover. don't wait for the govt - use the
people :)
(though some say Aus was built on the back of unions.. perhaps that's
a difference between it  USA in this regard?)



 On 26/05/2009, at 11:13 AM, Jeffrey Taylor wrote:


 I don't want to get into political discussion about healthcare, but I was
 wondering if anyone out there knows if there's a way under the current
 system for people like us to bundle together and get lower rates on health
 insurance, or if there's any truly good, truly economical policy that
 freelancers/artists can buy? There's plenty of other places to discuss
 policy, but I just wanted to throw this out there in case there was a way a
 bunch of vloggers got together to get covered.


Re: [videoblogging] Re: Frequency of Distribution

2009-05-20 Thread Kath O'Donnell
Jay  Adrian, thanks for the examples of video tagging. Seth Keen's work
looks very cool. I always thought mpeg7 would be used for this but haven't
heard much about it anymore ( only looked into it years ago for some facial
recognition stuff which didn't end up happening). I shoot way too much video
( take too many photos). most of it would be classed as dross to anyone but
me (Adrian :) ) but I've found I've looked back on it and found bits I've
missed etc or seen things in a different light after time, so I like having
the extra video. ( my videos are really just for me/family/friends) it
would be cool to tag it like on flickr though (but I must admit I only do
basic tagging on flickr too - not down to subject of individual shots). one
of the early videoblogging projects was for tagging clips wasn't it? I
forget the name of it. started with M I think?
kath


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Re: [videoblogging] Shadow World

2009-05-16 Thread Kath O'Donnell
these are great Rupert - thanks for the links.
I seem to recall a location project that was really cool, on
24hours24artists - Nick Slie in new orleans  the central city
i-witness project
http://www.mondobizarro.org/blog


2009/5/17 Jay dedman jay.ded...@gmail.com


  David Kessler, who makes one of my favourite videoblogs - Shadow
  World, which used to be at undertheel.blogspot.com - has been posting
  again this year.
  He shoots interviews with people who live and work under the el in
  Philadelphia - and combines them with lots of cinematography of the
  environment.
  He has a new URL - http://dskessler.com/shadowworld

 I really love David's work. I cant think another web video project
 that takes time to document people in a specific place with such
 clarity. If there are other examples, be good to identify them. His
 work is so deceptively simple...just interview someone about who they
 are and what they do. Imagine people watching this in 50 years.

 Jay



Re: [videoblogging] Re: Blog World Expo and New Media Conference [ Vloggercon 2009? ]

2009-05-16 Thread Kath O'Donnell
fwiw I really liked the 24hours24artists concept so people could tune
in from different locations  broadcast from different locations. it's
not face2face meetup which is the best part about conferences (for me
anyway), but there is the chat aspect, and archives later to watch. I
wonder if a mogulus/similiar broadcast could be done over a w/e 
people could speak on these if there are topics they want to cover or
work to show. maybe if there were gaps in schedule, people from the
audience could speak on video if they wanted. (have a single director
perhaps to co-ordinate switching, or a couple in different timezones)
but I haven't made it to any of the vlogger conferences due to
work/travel costs/time/timezones. I've always liked hearing about them
and watching remotely where possible.
kath


Re: [videoblogging] Video Blogging Week: Day 3

2009-04-08 Thread Kath O'Donnell
I'm a late starter - I shot the video on the day's but had limited
time/net access to upload. so just a couple of quick ones to catch up.

monday day1 : late night after work : http://blip.tv/file/1971082 or
http://vimeo.com/4061062
tuesday day2 : hotel textures : http://blip.tv/file/1971044 or
http://vimeo.com/4060723
wednesday day3 : cabin crew be seated for landing :
http://blip.tv/file/1970789 or http://vimeo.com/4060090

I'm starting the week on monday like a work week as work seemed to
have overtaken life again this week
tagged on twitter too with #videobloggingweek  #videobloggingweek2009
(wasn't sure which one)

kath


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Re: [videoblogging] Backing up your media

2009-01-31 Thread Kath O'Donnell
what about uploading to archive.org as a backup? don't they have good
financial backing to keep it going in the future

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster_Kahle
Kahle and his wife Mary Austin created the Kahle/Austin
Foundationhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kahle/Austin_Foundationaction=editredlink=1,
a US$45 million trust which in 2003 gave US$1,787,175 to Internet
Archivehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Archive
.



2009/2/1 Rupert rup...@fatgirlinohio.org

   Thank you. This is just what I was about to ask.

 Apart from YouTube, I don't think we can take any of them for granted
 this year. None of their revenue models are obvious as far as I can
 see, and their data costs must be big.

 Back up!


 On 31-Jan-09, at 2:53 PM, Josh Paul wrote:

 After the recent discussion about Revver, and the need to backup your
 videos elsewhere, I thought I'd mention Mozy (which now has a Mac
 client). I recently had a nasty drive failure (my Drobo and its backup
 both failed on the same day...with Seagate drives no less).

 For $4.95/month I now backup to Mozy, with unlimited storage capacity.

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Re: [videoblogging] Pay to Play Ad:

2009-01-11 Thread Kath O'Donnell
what about something really obvious for people - text like 'your spare
change Vs my training video'

I didn't know what the coke bottles or other image were for. maybe u
need to check with the dog list who are your audience? do some market
research with them as they might make the links better?


2009/1/12 Ron Watson k9d...@mac.com:
 People will spend $5 at the gas station on a candy bar, bottle of
 coke and bag of chips, and they'll do it over and over - never think
 twice about it.

 But to download professional instruction, to get training techniques
 mainlined to them, $5 is prohibitively expensive?

 Doesn't make sense to me.

 I want to draw attention to that comparison very quickly and simply -
 visually.

 So what do I use for the comparison? Or is that entire concept bunk?

 peace,

 Ron Watson
 http://k9disc.blip.tv
 http://k9disc.com
 http://discdogradio.com
 http://pawsitivevybe.com

 On Jan 11, 2009, at 9:04 PM, Brook Hinton wrote:

 Yeah the coke bottles are completely confusing.

 ___
 Brook Hinton
 film/video/audio art
 www.brookhinton.com
 studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Profit sharing for film crews

2009-01-06 Thread Kath O'Donnell
how many people are paying to view a video on the internet? even with
micro payments. can't say I ever have.

 I don't know what all this is:

 World class disc dog events are held in every region of the country
several times per year. The same can be said of agility and flyball
tournaments as well as rally-obedience and dock diving

maybe just start doing it  see how it progresses? don't wait for
others if you have a good idea. people will want to join in later when
the momentum is high. good luck

kath



2009/1/7 Ron Watson k9d...@mac.com:

 If you, as a video producer (shoot, cut, encode) were to hook up with
 people like me and create 50 videos for a rabid community like mine,
 or more likely 10 videos for me and 10 videos for five other sites
 like mine, and sold 200 units on each of them at $1 profit per,
 that's $10K.



Re: [videoblogging] Re: Profit sharing for film crews

2009-01-06 Thread Kath O'Donnell
2009/1/7 Ron Watson k9d...@mac.com:

 Well, have you found something that is your passion that is for sale?


most of my passions don't make any money (wrt video) but I'm ok with
that and they're not related to your project in any case

maybe ask people on the dog lists - the true fans in your area as u
mentioned? or if they don't make videos - have some training workshops
and teach them first. Brook had some great advice.

the idea would work. I know an ex-colleague did this in late
90s-current with AFL football videos on a website  is making a great
living out of it - granted he was a tv sports cameraman and knew all
the teams  players and advertisers  could partner with the tv
broadcaster too + go on o/s tours etc and do exclusive interviews etc
for a subscription site that many people subscribe to. (I'm not a fan
myself so don't pay for his videos). at the time he just hooked up
with a web person to build the site. another of the station's weekly
shows (produced externally but aligned with the station) did a similar
site for weather, surfing  fishing reports (video/text)  special
reports (as he's a leader in this field in his region - he's a known
personality for past 30years or so on tv) in late 90s too  is still
going.

best of luck with it. I'm sure you'll do well.


Re: [videoblogging] Verdi is the king

2009-01-03 Thread Kath O'Donnell
yes thanks very much Verdi  Steve!! was great. the live chat was fun
too - to watch with other people.
I took a few screenshots (but missed some shows that i saw - too busy
watching) http://tinyurl.com/93pp4e

 croma - wow!

2009/1/4 l.den...@modele11.com l.den...@modele11.com:
 Thank Verdi you made this day and this night for the vloggers in the
 world.
 That was my best live experience on internet
 Thx again
 Loiez

 Loiez Deniel
 http://www.loiez.org
 l.den...@modele11.com
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 Skype : ultimcodex
 M'appeler gratuitement de votre PC sur mon portable
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?

2008-12-11 Thread Kath O'Donnell
re Ron's link to
Community is the new capitalism:
 Community is More than Dollars and Cents

I thought we already were a community - this mail list. when people
post links in their sigs others can check them out  comment/continue
conversations there or reply to email privately. the vlomo type
projects seem good too for bursts of sub-communities too though it's
hard to maintain focus / be able to post regularly at times. other
online communities I've been involved with for years have been via
mail lists or forums/msg boards. some post links/videos etc. I don't
think the platform / medium really matters though - it's more about
the involvement of the people  the discussions  interactions that
keep people coming back. I don't know - maybe people should include
their 'featured posts/videos' links in an email sig or do an
announcement every now  then if they have something special. perhaps
some don't like doing 'shameless self promotion' or there's risks of
too much spam.

for a website with content, personally I find a CMS eg drupal site a
better format than a blog-only one as there's multiple ways people can
come across posts  be presented / organised. but mostly because
that's what I've used most often too. and their themes are even better
these days for people who want more flexibility (though I haven't
updated my sites' themes yet - still using default ones)

kath


Re: [videoblogging] Vlomo08 - How to add your feed to the Channel

2008-10-31 Thread Kath O'Donnell
thanks Rupert.

I have a question - for my blog. if I link to the url for Watch in
Theater View - does this auto update each visit/day with the new
videos or are these numbers the video ids. just wondering if there's a
showplayer link I can add to my blog post/facebook page which then
plays the most recent videos on mefeedia. and if there's an embed for
this player to use on external sites? I'll try it again tomorrow to
see if the numbers change. (just playing atm)
http://www.mefeedia.com/bigplayer.php?globalids=12051658,12057862,12050793,12057637,12051659,12021323,12009233,12029877,12032120,12022938,12001494,11988041,11995520,11988043,12001495,12051660,11988044,11988046,11995936,11988047,11988048,11981742,11961423,11961503


2008/10/31 Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 You just need to add your feed once to the channel. After that,
 every video on that feed during November will automaticall show up in
 the VloMo channel.

 Here's a five step guide to adding your feed:

 1. Sign up or Log in at http://mefeedia.com



Re: [videoblogging] Vlomo08 - How to add your feed to the Channel

2008-10-31 Thread Kath O'Donnell
ok thanks a lot. just thought I'd check in case I'd missed something
I've moved over to the mefeedia maillist so will ask any more questions there
thanks
kath

2008/11/1 Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 As far as I can see, that URL contains the specific video IDs.

 So you have to actually click the Theater View link to see the latest.

 Thus you have to link to the Mefeedia channel, and tell people to
 click Theater View. So it's two clicks away from your blog.

 I have to say, this is a vast improvement on what we've ever had
 before in terms of aggregating a group project automatically on the
 web from multiple video sharing sites - and without using tags.

 And it's brilliant to be able to subscribe to that feed in an RSS
 reader or video aggregator like Miro, iTunes or FireANT.

 But as far as embedding on your blog, there's no embeddable player at
 the moment to handle all the different video sites in a playlist.

 There might be a way to make a JW Flash Player play a playlist made
 from the Mefeedia feed including MP4 files, but I don't know how to
 do that. If anybody does, could you help?

 Rupert
 http://twittervlog.tv

 On 31-Oct-08, at 6:56 AM, Kath O'Donnell wrote:

 thanks Rupert.

 I have a question - for my blog. if I link to the url for Watch in
 Theater View - does this auto update each visit/day with the new
 videos or are these numbers the video ids. just wondering if there's a
 showplayer link I can add to my blog post/facebook page which then
 plays the most recent videos on mefeedia. and if there's an embed for
 this player to use on external sites? I'll try it again tomorrow to
 see if the numbers change. (just playing atm)
 http://www.mefeedia.com/bigplayer.php?
 globalids=12051658,12057862,12050793,12057637,12051659,12021323,12009233
 ,
 12029877,12032120,12022938,12001494,11988041,11995520,11988043,12001495,
 12051660,11988044,11988046,11995936,11988047,11988048,11981742,11961423,
 11961503

 2008/10/31 Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 You just need to add your feed once to the channel. After that,
 every video on that feed during November will automaticall show up in
 the VloMo channel.

 Here's a five step guide to adding your feed:

 1. Sign up or Log in at http://mefeedia.com


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: VloMo08 - Videoblogging Month 2008

2008-10-30 Thread Kath O'Donnell
thanks for fixing this so quickly!! it's all working now. cool


 The issues Mefeedia.com was having with sessions / login are fixed
 now. You are now able to join the channel and add your feeds:

 http://www.mefeedia .com/channels/ vlomo08



Re: [videoblogging] This is kind of kick ass

2008-10-29 Thread Kath O'Donnell
makes it hard to click play though unless you're on a slow connection!

marquee direction=leftobject width=425 height=350param
name=movie value=http://www.youtube.com/v/3ccvfwbe8-E;/paramparam
name=wmode value=transparent/paramembed
src=http://www.youtube.com/v/3ccvfwbe8-Eautoplay=1loop=1;
type=application/x-shockwave-flash wmode=transparent width=425
height=350/embed/object/marquee



 I would love to know how this is done.



Re: [videoblogging] VloMo08 - Videoblogging Month 2008

2008-10-29 Thread Kath O'Donnell
thanks Rupert  mefeedia for setting this up

what does :
Array ( )
1491
mean when you click Join channel. I had some problems even logging
into mefeedia the other day (on mac). today I can login (from work pc)
using a reset pwd (but can't change it). is anyone else having
problems? maybe it's just my login - I haven't used it in a while.

the url when I see the msg is
http://www.mefeedia.com/list_admin/list_join.php?listid=1491do=add if
that helps

thanks
kath



2008/10/30 Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 VloMo-istas, please join the fun now by adding your feed to the
 channel here:

 http://www.mefeedia.com/channels/vlomo08




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Re: [videoblogging] It's that time again... NaVloPoMo 2008

2008-10-24 Thread Kath O'Donnell
I'll try. it sounds like I might be in india most of nov. so without
my mac s/w. so they'll prob be clips cut together of driving to work
again  lots of shaky video out taxi windows ;)

 Details to follow of how we're setting it up at Mefeedia.

 NOW - WHO'S IN?


Re: [videoblogging] It's that time again... NaVloPoMo 2008

2008-10-24 Thread Kath O'Donnell
yeah it'll be shot on my nokia n95 8gb. though I might pc
transfer-upload rather than email/post from phone as that's expensive
unless I can find a free wireless connection. I'll try it :)

2008/10/25 Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 India! Yes!
 There were lots of Indian submissions via Nokia phones to the Nokia
 Pangea Day mobile filmmaking competition. Mobile video from you...?

 On 24-Oct-08, at 1:57 PM, Kath O'Donnell wrote:

 I'll try. it sounds like I might be in india most of nov. so without
 my mac s/w. so they'll prob be clips cut together of driving to work
 again  lots of shaky video out taxi windows ;)

 Details to follow of how we're setting it up at Mefeedia.

 NOW - WHO'S IN?

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[videoblogging] Fwd: [website] GPS Film----- Location-Based Mobile Cinema Premieres in Singapore

2008-09-03 Thread Kath O'Donnell
I haven't seen this (since I'm not in singapore and it hasn't launched
yet) but it sounds cool. reminds me a bit of William Gibson's Pattern
Recognition film snippets, though locative in real space rather than
bits in the ether.


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Date: 2008/9/3
Subject: [website] GPS Film-  Location-Based Mobile Cinema
Premieres in Singapore
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


gps film press sent a message using the contact form at
http://www.aliak.com/contact.

GPS Film is new media artwork from filmmaker Scott Hessels that
invents a new way of watching movies based on the viewer's location
and movement.   Using a GPS-enabled PDA or mobile phone, the audience
creates a new type of film experience that reveals the story through
their journey.  Released as a free, open-source application, the
project will premiere on 4 September 2008 along with the first film
made specifically for the system, Singaporean filmmaker Kenny Tan's
chase comedy Nine Lives.

The GPS Film application, source code, and Nine Lives are available
for free download on the project websitewww.gpsfilm.com.  The
application allows for a developer to create story spaces of any size.
 The movies are also interchangeable and easily matched to any place.
The software default is currently Nine Lives—a prototype film comedy
that can unfold in nine directions depending on the viewer's journey
around downtown Singapore.

Scott Hessels is an internationally recognised media artist and
filmmaker who merges cinema with new technologies to create innovative
media experiences. For GPS Film, he collaborated with film and
engineering students at Singapore's Nanyang Technological University.

The project uses emerging technologies to bring story into real space;
neighborhoods, architecture, and landscapes become part of the cinema
experience.  Movies can be personalized and localized.  Storytelling
becomes a physical, viewer-controlled experience;  a journey of
fiction ties directly to a journey of fact.
 A press conference will be held Thursday, 4 September at Kay Ngee Tan
Architects Gallery with the artist, filmmakers, and programmers
present as well as handheld devices for demonstration. The
presentation starts at 2pm, but the device will be available for trial
and demonstration till 4pm.

Address:

KAY NGEE TAN ARCHITECTS GALLERY

16-17 Duxton Hill Singapore 089600

t: 65-6423 0198
f: 65-6423 0197
e: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

For more information, visit www.gpsfilm.com or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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[videoblogging] Fwd: nettime breakthrough for open video on the web

2008-08-04 Thread Kath O'Donnell
perhaps of interest to some here?
is anyone doing much with OGG files?

-- Forwarded message --
From: Florian Schneider 
Date: 2 Aug 2008 22:05
Subject: nettime breakthrough for open video on the web
To: nettime-l


It was my last day  at ISEA 2008 in Singapore and we were supposed to
have a dinner with noborder/no one is illegal activists and the
panelists of the bordercrossing theme, when jaromil came down the street
smiling all over the face: I have great news he screamed. Firefox 3.1
wil support OGG Theora!

In other words: This is most likely the breakthrough for open video on
the web! OGG THEORA is the only open source video erncoding suite. It is
available for general use after the bitstream format for Theora was
frozen Thursday, 2004 July 1. http://theora.org

Native support in Firefox means that end-users on proprietary platforms
like windows or mac do no longer have to install additional software in
order to watch OGG encoded video. If you want to publish a video you
can  just use the video tag like for any image. There is no need for
additional  javascript or flash!

Slashdot writes:
http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/31/1752206from=rss
Ogg Theora support for the HTML5 video tag is in the Firefox 3.1
nightlies. Theora is the only video format allowed on Wikimedia Commons,
so Wikimedia people are pushing Wikipedia readers to download a nightly
and try it out. Break it, crash it, report bugs, get it into good shape
and nullify Apple and Nokia's FUD the best way possible. They may have
gotten the words 'Vorbis' and 'Theora' removed from the HTML5 spec, but
the market will tell them when their browsers are sucking.

Christopher Blizzard wrote in his blog
http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=492 Mozilla is committing to
include native support for OGG video and audio in its next release that
includes support for the video element tag. (Very likely to be Firefox
3.1 if there no huge change in course.) The code landed for ogg support
last night. I suspect that the effects of this will take a long while to
be felt but it's a great first step in bringing open video to the web by
delivering it to a couple hundred million people around the world.

At KEIN.ORG and in many related projects (like the Dictionary of War)
we have been insisting on the use of an open video compression format
for many years now. Despite all the complaints about additional software
installations it seemed crucial to us to give proove of the
possibility to
publish digital video without the licensing and royalty fees or vendor
lock-in associated with proprietary formats.

In summer 2003 we started the open source video platform V2V
http://v2v.cc which is entirely based on open source code. Ralph
Giles, the maintainer of the THEORA project, was one of the speakers at
NEURO -- networking europe http://neuro.kein.org in Munich in
February 2004. Some months later Jan Gerber has developed ffmpeg2theora
http://v2v.cc/~j/ffmpeg2theora a simple converter to create Ogg Theora
files.

I am looking forward very much to a wide range of new projects and
initiatives which may come up now. For example jaromils video mixing
software FreeJ seems a great tool with huge potential: http://
freej.org

Let's build an open video alliance!

very best,
florian


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Recommendations for a small camera (Xacti or other) to shoot in India

2008-06-17 Thread Kath O'Donnell
perhaps slightly OT but try and keep the camera cool. I had one die
due to the heat - it overheated, lost all colours and then finally
even the lens motor broke. it gets really hot there and if you're
using it a lot it's easy for the camera to overheat. so get a robust
camera if you can!


Re: [videoblogging] Interest in a mailing list re online cinema of the experimental/video art/etc. persuasion?

2008-06-16 Thread Kath O'Donnell
yes great idea! let us know the list - whether it's vlogtheory or other.
or a facebook/ning group for posting/central viewing too? or semanal-like site.


Re: [videoblogging] fw: Mobile Videos: a Cybermohalla Ensemble discussion

2008-06-14 Thread Kath O'Donnell
thanks to both of you Rupert  Adrian! I watched the film - I loved
the reflections in the water and shadows. (similar bicycle shadows) I
was wondering what people would have thought of him filming back then.
these days almost everyone has a camera and points it, but back then
I'm guessing cameras would have been more expensive relatively (?) and
less people would have carried a film camera into the streets. I
wondered what they thought of him filming the ground and the different
angles. it was interesting to see the similiarities between the delhi
streets film and the Regen one too. I suppose the human eye hasn't
changed that much - similar people throughout different times still
notice things in same way and have similar thoughts.
I'll look out for more of Regen's work.

2008/6/14 Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Thank you! I didn't know about that.
 I just found it on the Internet Archive:
 http://ia351416.us.archive.org/1/items/Regen/Regen.mp4
 I'll watch it later. I love the whole idea of it. The late 20s
 produced such incredible things.

 On 13-Jun-08, at 2:40 PM, Adrian Miles wrote:

 Joris Ivens, Rain http://www.ivens.nl/film29-5.htm, 1929, 12 minutes.




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Re: [videoblogging] Re:From Mac *TO* PC -- Should I Switch?

2008-06-14 Thread Kath O'Donnell
I'd always had a pc (work) laptop until I bought a macbook pro for
home. I couldn't afford a mac and the pc did most things I wanted it
to. but usually I had to fix it before I could use it - even for
simple installations - there was usually something missing and I had
to install extra bits or the s/w I wanted to try was only on mac.
since buying the  mac I haven't had to do this, so I've found I prefer
using it and am more productive on it than before when I had a pc. I
can just sit down and start making things so I find it's better for my
creativity levels. I like the software that comes with it - iphoto etc
and how it's easier for me wrt to music/video/development tools. I'm
an engineer and work on computers all day at work - years ago I used
to like fixing computers  kept up with hardware specs etc but now I'd
much rather just use one. I still have a windows laptop for work and
work on linux/posix systems too so go through the pain at work. but
for home I wouldn't go back to pc now except for maybe a cheaper
storage server desktop/archive system solution as it'd only be used
for file storage  perhaps remote access to files, though with cheap
ISP online disk storage options available these days even this is a
stretch. the one I bought originally had a screen problem - I think I
must have bought one of the first batches - and the apple store
support from where I bought it was terrible. eventually I went to
apple australia during a trip home and they arranged a replacement and
since then everything's worked well. they said it's easier to purchase
online rather than the stores as the stores don't have the same
infrastructure they used to for getting things fixed. if I'd known
that at the time I would have bought it online originally like my
first apple product - the ipod. the mac was more expensive but for me
I don't care about that because it's saved more time in me having to
get things to work first go  actually getting something creative
done, so was worth the money. over time the difference isn't much. the
only problem I have now is I fill the disk all the time but that's a
user issue not machine. I wish they'd let me use the mac at work
instead of the pc. the best thing I like about OSX ( linux) is that
when you open a few things at once and are working in one screen the
other screens open in background and u can select them when u are
ready. whereas windows pushes everything to the front when it's ready
- it doesn't care if you're in the middle of typing something in an
already selected window. this annoys me no end on a pc at work!!






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[videoblogging] fw: Mobile Videos: a Cybermohalla Ensemble discussion

2008-06-13 Thread Kath O'Donnell
I thought some here on VBL might appreciate these urban video glimpses
of Delhi from sarai's cybermohalla ensemble

text descriptions below for the video on youtube

Cybermohalla is a project from Sarai in Delhi (sarai.net)
Mohalla in Hindi and Urdu means neighbourhood. Sarai's Cybermohalla
project takes on the meaning of the word mohalla, its sense of alleys
and corners, its sense of relatedness and concreteness, as a means for
talking about one's 'place' in the city, and in cyberspace.

they have workshops and projects with young people from the streets of
delhi. publications / documentation are created from their work
http://www.sarai.net/practices/cybermohalla
http://www.sarai.net/publications/cybermohalla

-- Forwarded message --
From: Jeebesh
Date: 2008/6/9
Subject: [Urbanstudy] Mobile Videos: a discussion
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Dear All,

Below are the transcripts from the discussion on videos shot by mobile phones.

The link to the mobile video
Mobile Sketches
Memory Card 01
is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbnSth4cxOY

best

Jeebesh
-

Extracts from a discussion on Mobile Videos
Cybermohalla Ensemble
June 2008

Suraj Rai:
A mobile phone... It's in our pockets. We just take it with us to the fair,
take it with us to the play, take it with us when
going from one place to the other, carry it with us on the way.

Kiran Verma:
Often, while looking out of the window of a bus, I used to wonder...
if I were to pause and think, what would I think about the outside?
I made a mobile video of the view from the window of the bus.
And then when I saw it later, I realised,
while music played and people chatted, and there was a restlessness in the bus,
people on the road were very quiet and completely solitary.

Jaanu Nagar
Just day before yesterday, in the evening, it was raining heavily.
It is said a downpour can ruin many things. But when I stood and watched,
it seemed to me everything was becoming more resplendent.
I found this attractive. Everything looked so different from usual.
Descriptions of rain are usually about how people run for shelter,
leave what they are doing,
But what I was seeing was something different. I thought a photo may
not capture this difference.
I wanted to see if I could make a video resonate with what I was thinking.
I looked through the screen and started recording.
Someone held an umbrella, another had covered himself with a plastic sheet.
Someone was returning from work, a scarf thrown over his head.
People were not running around. Some were buying vegetables for home.
And there was a chowmein stall -
It was open to the sky.
The man was busy frying chowmien in the pan. I thought a photograph
would not have helped me capture this style, the special music...
Along with the raindrops was the sound chhan-chhan-chhan, as the stirrer
moved in the pan, while everyone stood around under their umbrellas,
waiting to eat.

Tripan Kumar -
That day my parents, my sisters and cousins - they all started dancing
together, spontaneously.
I had never seen them like this before. I mean, it wasn't any special
occasion...
We just happened to be in a room together, and everyone started
dancing. The young and
the old, all danced together. For no special reason. I'd never seen such a burst
of joy, expressed in this way, inside a room, before. I was surprised.
And I wanted to keep with myself this memory of having been surprised.

Nasreen -
It could be something banal. But was I attracted by it? If it
attracted me, then it was
significant enough to be shot. It's possible it remained banal for someone else.
But if it seemed important to me, then, yes, it was something worthy
of being looked at.

Love Anand -
For instance, I'd often look out of my window at the shadows cast by
clothes put out to dry.
These shadows would hover over the entire lane, and create a very
special ambience.
Shadows would glide over people's faces, knock against things.
I'd always try to search a language to think, to describe this
environment of shadows.

Babli Rai -
To make a mobile video, one doesn't need to go out in search of a special
event or occasion. Mobile videos draw from the simplest moments of our lives.
In that sense, the mobile phone camera makes one look for the special
within the ordinary.
A woman may wear make-up everyday. But to make a mobile video of this
simple thing,
makes her, her make-up and the ordinariness of that moment, special.

Lakhmi Chand -
One immediately thinks of a mobile video as being something personal.
But mobile phone conversations, sms, photos, videos, ring tone etc
have a velocity in everyday life - they get their life from being in
circulation.
That is why, even though mobile phones have very small screens,
the staggered circulation of its images stretches their lived beyond
the first moment
in which they were taken.

Love Anand - In the two years that we have been making mobile videos,
it seems to me that
all of us have deepened out ways 

Re: [videoblogging] Presentation on videoblogging and activism - any links/suggestions

2008-05-21 Thread Kath O'Donnell
hi Beth, here's a few that might be of interest. some might not be
exactly what you're after, but I hope they help!

http://www.engagemedia.org - EngageMedia is a video sharing site
focusing on social justice and environmental issues in South East
Asia, Australia and the Pacific. It is a space for critical
documentary, fiction, artistic and experimental works that challenge
the dominance of the mainstream media.

http://www.videovolunteers.org/ - Video Volunteers - community media
initiative in India that is using video to empower communities to take
action around critical issues relevant to development. partnered with
some NGOs. their women's videomaking skills-share projects  community
video magazines are really great.

http://www.aliak.com/content/call-centres-video-magazines-more-india
has some others similar

http://www.actv.co.il/portal/eportal.asp - (English page) Israel 
Palestine video archive / independent internet tv

http://transmission.cc/txap - Transmission Asia-Pacific - is a
conference (happening now!) about video for social change

http://www.aliak.com/content/tactical-media-brazil-summary-mind-map -
a mind map summary of a Sarai Reader 04 article  :
http://www.sarai.net/publications/readers/04-crisis-media/55ricardo.pdf
- this lists a few organisations in Brazil using video
http://www.sarai.net/publications/readers/04-crisis-media

http://undergrowth.org/motion_pixels - undergrowth magazine's video section

 of course indymedia sites have video too : http://www.indymedia.org
+ sub-sites in different regions/cities



2008/5/21 beth_tilston [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hey all,

 I'm doing a presentation this Saturday on 'web video and activism'
 and
 am wondering if anyone has any links or suggestions. I've already
 planned to talk about Ryanishungry, Vision on Tv, Qik/mobile tech,
 Alive in Baghdad/Swajana, Undercurrents. Any other suggestions for
 sites/approaches?



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Re: [videoblogging] best web-based remixer for peace project

2008-05-07 Thread Kath O'Donnell
a friend was collating a few sites for this type of project @
http://agarton.wordpress.com/2007/08/20/editing-video-online/ if this
helps.
if they're short clips maybe flickr? create a flickr group  go from there


2008/5/7 Lisa Rein [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  
   I'm working here with my team mates on our little stanford peace project,
   and we're wondering what the best site web-based remixer is - if any ever
   got beyond the kind of fairly-usable versions that existed a year or two
   ago.
  
   For instance, jumpcut is OK - but seems to still be kind of slow.
  
   I'm asking because we're trying to determine what the best site is for
   hosting all of the little peace clips -- to have them in one place. These
   can be edited together - by us and others. So we need them all in one
   place.
  



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Re: [videoblogging] Flickr adds video - max length 90 seconds?

2008-04-11 Thread Kath O'Donnell
I would. becuase you just select all photos and videos and upload them. my
flickr audience is different to other sites. it's my friends and family and
others who like to see different places. for me it's more personal. so
having clips there as well is great because I can show them the photos and
the captured moments or even just what the places I'm staying in look like.
the sounds too so they get a feel for the places. they don't need to go to
another site to see the video. and for people eg my Mum, I bought her adsl
connection but she still doesn't watch movies etc even when I send her the
links. but she looks at the photos and the 90sec clips are quick to load and
play / smaller files. most of my clips would be less than 90sec. if it's all
in the same interface (which she's used to now  uses) I think she'll watch
more. sometimes I prefer viewing clips as I as the viewer get to be the
editor and play them in the sequence I choose. it's nice watching others
edited videos also. just different moods I suppose. (like listening to the
radio or your itunes playlist/random)

plus I'll use it for archiving the original short clips up there. there's
heaps of video that's still on my drive and hasn't made it online or into
another video. so I can upload (to watch  backup).  I think having them in
context with my photos will be nice - my friends can see the sequential view
of what I saw/heard.  the test I made so far, the video looks better in
flickr than on youtube (raw original file)
now I just need a new plugin for iphoto so the export can include the
movies.



On 11/04/2008, Pat Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Problem is who's bother to upload a measley 90 seconds of video to
 Flickr when MANY phones will allow you to upload to TEN MINUTES of video
 on YouTube?

 I don't know of anybody who's gonna mess with doing that in the long
 term. If Yahoo! is really serious about turning Flickr into the next
 YouTube, they're gonna have to do better than that IMO.





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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video blogging Wikipedia Entry

2008-04-11 Thread Kath O'Donnell
I think wired and the 10 zen monkeys have been using the term griefer /
griefing a lot most recently.  I guess the IRC communities would be familiar
with it over the years too. so not sure it's new..

On 10/04/2008, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   LOL...
 I think you just coined the term for a new kind of troll...

 The Griefer Troll...

 Concern Troll...
 Purity Troll...
 Griefer Troll...

 Funny stuff...

 Ron Watson




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Re: [videoblogging] Re: 6 billion people

2008-03-21 Thread Kath O'Donnell
perhaps this has happened in a way already. generally I've found that in
business the language is english. for a personal example, whilst working in
India, Korea, Israel (Aus/NZ/UK) all the business discussions have been in
english. in each place the local engineers/business people speak in their
own language or more often (eg India) in english. also numbers in these
places use roman numerals also, so you can always read the numbers in
different places. I come from Australian yet working for UK company
background, and I imagine it's similar for the Americans/Canadians. I read
that India will be the largest population of english speakers within a
couple of years. I've seen plenty of notices for 'learn english now'
schools/classes. and even people in the street stop to talk to you to
practice their english. I find it strange that we're not encouraged/forced
to learn hindi (or one of the many other dialects), or hebrew or korean, but
that's the 'power' of the influential western countries I suppose in
business ( the dollar).  (I try to learn some during visits but I'm not
that good with languages). even in daily life I've found most people speak
some english.

so I think numbers are the universal language. but of course no one wants to
use a string of numbers (or hex codes) to talk so it's not really a
practical language for most people.

also when you stay in places you pick up the local language or you can work
out what people are talking about from gestures, where they are etc, so
communication still happens even if you can't read or write or speak the
local languages. you might miss out on things initially but if you're
interested in the local culture and try  ask questions then I've found
there's no problems at all.

kath

On 19/03/2008, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   If you posed an universal language of symbols, my guess is that a
 majority of Americans would think it stupid and demand that all 6
 billion learned their language.





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Re: [videoblogging] Re: 6 billion people

2008-03-21 Thread Kath O'Donnell
yes good point. I think some of the open source CMS eg drupal have
translations, but I suppose they're only as good as the translators who help
with the project and provide the translations. I think it'd be difficult to
cater for  get it right for everyone, as there's local dialects and
colloquialisms. but I suppose as long as translators are willing to assist
with the work then things can only improve. maybe the corporate systems are
happy enough with their current market? not sure. it's another way that
other cultures are forced/suggested to use english.

On 21/03/2008, rmpenguino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Besides the question of access to the internet and tech savvy to view
 video on the web,
 there's also the questions of multiculturalism and language. None of the
 big video providers,
 CMS or blog systems have in place a global type of access. By which I mean
 a person as
 myself, born in Brazil, now an American who also speaks Spanish, how does
 a website
 provide its content to me a polyglot belonging to multiple cultures?
 There's no simple answer
 yet, most of the time its defaulted to browser preferences by
 country=language, which
 doesn't necessarily always equal the other specially in reference to
 culture. If there where a



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Re: [videoblogging] Videodefunct

2008-02-18 Thread Kath O'Donnell
this looks great! I'll explore more soon. we made a little
random/interactive video clip player using max/jitter at an
electrofringe workshop one year but it didn't look as pretty as that
( was standalone, not web based  of course didn't have the same
functionality/tagging). I love dpwolf's work.


 On Feb 19, 2008 1:49 AM, Seth Keen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Thanks Jay for the post on the videodefunct project.
 
  The project certainly has been influenced by Adrian Miles work with
  vogs and his writing on softvideography http://vogmae.net.au/drupal/
  thinking/softvideo03 and the VD collective are similarily interested
  in exploring video on the Internet moving beyond being single-channel
  and linear like a version of TV and Cinema on the web.
 
  As you mention VD simply breaks down what would normally be a larger
  linear video into smaller granular clips, that are tagged and
  categorised on posting into the vlog. The user then uses this
  metadata to reassemble these clips in a customised player attached to
  the vlog as a page. In the end the vlog becomes a larger thematic
  video work made up of a bunch of smaller clips.
 
  In Adrian's rhizomes http://vogmae.net.au/drupal/doing/rhizome I
  think a similar type of interactivity and granularity occurs where
  Quicktime in this case is used as a container to bring in a number of
  varying content types in varying order. Rhizomes in a way are
  configured in a variety of ways to display this content like the
  customized player page in VD. Both often explore video being
  displayed simultaneously in more than one frame. (multi-channel)
 

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Looking for people to invite to Vlog Europe '08

2008-02-02 Thread Kath O'Donnell
Hi Jeffrey, I'd propose u ask Adrian Miles in Australia - I think he'd
match 2,4, 6 (he is), 7.
and maybe send to the video vortex list also. there seems to be more
international participants in semanal this time so perhaps post there
also?
I'd like to attend but will have to see where I am at the time.
jerusalem/istanbul/auckland - if it's the first 2 I can try come
along.
kath

   videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com,
 Jeffrey Taylor

 thejeffreytaylor@ wrote:
 
  Hi everyone -
 
  Now that we've set dates (October 18-19, Budapest),
I'm/we're
   looking to
  invite people (or for you to contact people) to let them
know
 when
 and where
  the event is.
 
  Here's some ideas foe the kind of people we're looking to
 invite:
 
  1. Contacts in Hungary are critical (I saw your Tweet
Bicycle
  Mark)
 
  2. People you would LOVE to have there
 
  3. WOMEN
 
  4. People from countries we haven't seen represented
 
  5. EU Bloggers that use video, but wouldn't necessarily
 call
   themselves
  videobloggers
 
  6. Anybody that you think would make a good vlogger.
 
  7. Anybody you think has something to add to the weekend.
 
  People feel special when they're invited, or that some
people
 who
 wouldn't
  come otherwise would. Any help you can give me here is most
  welcome.
 


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments

2008-02-01 Thread Kath O'Donnell
yeah that would be cool. shiftspace have an api so perhaps it's
something that can be done now/future, not sure. they can replace
images already so the view of the page via shiftspace is different to
the real page. adding layers/dimensions to the web. like a stack.
perhaps a layer to replace your video over all/part of it so you could
quote it that way, allow part of the original to display. perhaps I
gave the wrong impression - it's not just a notes/stickies plugin
though that's one feature. the notes are put into a console at bottom
of the screen and people can vote on shifting them up/down in the list
and mark as spam etc. they display on the page when u select them

they have a grant available to encourage people/projects to use
it/develop more tools. could be of interest to the devs here.

On Feb 1, 2008 5:37 AM, Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  in the hypertext development community there was an effort to make
  (well, they did make) systems that let you annotate any other webpage
  and these annotations would be stored centrally to be distributed to
  others who used the service. The point was to add another layer on top
  of published page, much like how you make annotations when reading a
  book, but of course to share these.

  thinking out of left field, this would be really cool using flash or
  QT as you could have a layer (toggle its visibility) which could show
  such annotations, eg othre videos elsewhere that refer to this
  particular video. Could be time based too...




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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments [fwd to semanal list]

2008-01-31 Thread Kath O'Donnell
fwding to semanal list - I like your idea Jay - what if for week6  (or
choose another week) we all post a video, but we also have to post a
video comment to at least one person who's posted that week. or use
the comment video as your weekly post if you don't want/are too busy
to do 2 videos. so we get into the practice of doing it. and can iron
out any tweaks that might be needed as there'll be a larger number of
people trying it who are on different computers/have different issues.
could be a good sample population, plus it'll be cool to reply in
video - community building exercise etc.
kath

VGG list can prob drop off this tangential thread if not on topic


On Jan 31, 2008 7:28 PM, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  I think the biggest challenge is getting creators to actually make
  video comments.
  Youtube has the only video commenting system Ive really seen used.
  Most times though, people are just linking to their own videos so they
  can ride out the popularity of someone else's video.
  Youtube is the the city wall where everyone wheatpastes their flyers.

  I still find that most of us are creating self-contained little movies.
  As a community I dont think we've agreed on Fair Use in our own videos.
  Let's forget Hollywwod for a moment and see if we cant have consensus
  among ourselves.
  Can we use use each others video, like we currently use each other's
  text posts to have a conversation?

  Im hoping David's video commenting plugin...and the year long Semanal
  project help explore people posting videos in the comments of a single
  blog post. Then we can see about Meiser's vision for aggregated video
  comments. we need concrete examples to play with.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments

2008-01-31 Thread Kath O'Donnell
or something like ShiftSpace?
http://shiftspace.org/screencasts/intro/ has a demo video. a metadata
layer above webpages - the trails sound interesting. how you can link
up conversations across the metaverse. I think they're at transmediale
atm. there's a few examples on the site.

On Feb 1, 2008 12:07 AM, Sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 something like disqus.com, which deems it important to allow data
  export and not be a walled garden using yours and your commenters
  content.


  On Jan 31, 2008 5:01 PM, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  So maybe a part of effective conversations, comments, communication,
  is bridging the
  gap between the shared space of groups, forums, etc, with the personal
  space of people's
  own blogs?


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Interactive Video

2008-01-05 Thread Kath O'Donnell
that's great! I just watched the eps. good story  flow.
congrats.

On Jan 5, 2008 8:19 PM, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The project I was talking about is finally up - http://whatisscioncity.com

  Like I said, I'm excited about the possibilities for interaction (this
  project only makes a dent in what's possible) but it's not the easiest
  thing to make.



Re: [videoblogging] Re: SEMANAL

2008-01-03 Thread Kath O'Donnell
the only problem I have with aggregator sites using tags, is that
people wanting to watch the videos or even dropping by need to know
the tag to be able to see the content, and if the site isn't dedicated
to the project, then there's likely to be multiple tags and possibly
they are not obvious to a visitor. but a dedicated site with
menus/forum threads for each week (for example) is more intuitive for
them as it's more in their face and obvious. I know most of my friends
(who granted probably aren't the target audience) don't know what tags
are or what they're meant to do with them. but they know how to visit
a website  sites like facebook with forums etc and click on links.
so, whilst it's probably ok for us to use, an aggregator site might
not be as intuitive for regular non-web video users.  also if the
videos are available on a dedicated site the text blog
entries/titles/comments are searchable. (eg people know how to use a
search field on youtube or google). this is true for an aggregated
site also, but it would return results outside the project. whereas a
project site search would only search the project info. it's a lot
easier to tell people goto site X  having clear links/menus available
on front page, rather than have to explain, goto site Y find the tags
link, find tag Z and click on it, then search for the post by wading
through multiple pages/dates etc.

plus a dedicated site would be good for archival of the project
afterwards if that's something people are thinking of (I suppose for
as long as the hosting is kept up!)

I don't really mind either way as my traffic/comments for videos is
small anyway but not sure if others might want to consider it. if it's
just a project for the group then the aggregator is ok, if people
would like others to drop by then I think it has to be really simple
and similar to other non-media websites navigation wise.

if video tags  an aggregator site are to be used,  the tagged videos
could populate a site in addition to being searchable via the tag on
mefeedia I think it'd be good. ie have both available.


kath



On Jan 3, 2008 10:46 PM, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:






  There are widgets from mefeedia that can reside at Semanal.org to give
   a video taste of the event, and there are also a few wordpress plugins
   that can consume an rss feed and create posts from it. (So it would be
   easy to create a master blog somewhere that is populated automatically
   from a feed (for example a mefeedia generated master feed)
   http://projects.radgeek.com/feedwordpress
   http://www.devthought.com/
   probably others.
   Semanal.org might also be a great place to post
   challenges/suggestions/general updates/etc from/of/to the
   participants? And a great place to really put MeFeedia's
   decentralize the
   centralization ideas to the test. ;-)
   As for workflows ... I think the easiest and most universally
   understood method would probably be to select a tag. ?? The
   participants just need to pick one post a week to tag as Semanal
   (or whatever the tag decided upon is)

  David...are you still working for Mefeedia these days?
  if so, maybe you could lead developing this stuff.

  Ning is definitely not perfect, but here's what Id like to see for a
  group project.
  I want to see all videos done for each week.
  Is this possible at mefeedia without making a new tag each week?
  just having a list of hundreds of videos at mefeedia isnt that useful.

  Also, what happens if someone's video isnt picked up in a tag?
  is it possible to manually add a video URL?

  and when you say tags, do you mean a technorati tag? rel=tag? blogger
  tags? are they all the same?


  Jay

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: SEMANAL

2008-01-02 Thread Kath O'Donnell
I'll give it a go too. one a week is more realistic for me going forwards.
ps. Rupert, I bought myself an N95 for xmas after your thoughts and
experience with the N93 (I wanted the gps too). so far it's great! so
thanks!! I wish I'd done it earlier. emailing 20Mb files to upload
seems to work better though - still testing this part out. (you should
_so_ get freebies from nokia for recommending/reviewing/using!!) I had
a little drama with buying it from a different phone provider to my
sim and my existing sim not working. I didn't realise 3 network locked
it (I suppose they all do) so I had to get a 1mth 3 sim and will
unlock it so I can use my existing sim. (I won't really use it as a
phone but I realise now that some of the features don't work unless
the sim is enabled - I was thinking it was more like a pda I guess
with optional phone capability)
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Re: [videoblogging] (i)NaVloPoM0 2007 Screening in Brighton

2007-12-17 Thread Kath O'Donnell
cool! yeah the dvd idea (suggested on page in comments) would be good
for those who can't make it if that's an option. (I can paypal some $
for disc/postage/someone's time - just let me know who/when/where). I
still haven't caught up with watching all of them as have had
intermittant net access so a dvd would be great. (even if it just had
all the files if that's easier?)
kath


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: NaVloPoMo - the 12th

2007-11-13 Thread Kath O'Donnell
just out of interest, does meefeedia pickup the navlopomo07 tags from
the youtube videos also? or just the rss feeds? I tried to find some
from there the other day but maybe I did something wrong. all the blip
ones were there ok.

sorry if it's a dumb question - I can't d/l all the videos usually due
to b/w limitations so usually just view a few via web. all I've seen
have been great, but yes, it's hard to keep up with watching them all!

kath




  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert Howe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:

  
   The easiest and best way to get ALL the videos is to go to:
  
   http://www.mefeedia.com/tags/navlopomo07/
  
   That's the tag you should use for your vids: navlopomo07
  
   There are almost 500 videos there already. In 12 days.
  
  

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: NaVloPoMo - the 12th

2007-11-13 Thread Kath O'Donnell
great! thanks I'll try it when I get home tonight. thanks for the
explanation also.
(I hadn't even noticed youtube had an rss feed to be honest - I should
pay more attention to these things ;)

On Nov 13, 2007 9:10 PM, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:






 To go a bit more in depth with your question ...

  If its got an RSS feed, MeFeedia can index it. If I were a
  youtuber, I'd put my youtube rss feed into mefeedia just like I would
  put my blip feed there if I were a blip user.

  Some stuff just happens automagically, but if you've got a feed why
  not add it to mefeedia and claim it in your profile to take credit!?
  =D

  For example... my YouTube username is IndyVlogger and thus my
  YouTube feed is:

  http://www.youtube.com/rss/user/IndyVlogger/videos.rss

  I could add this feed into MeFeedia and claim it as my show in my
  profile. (I could just rely on my videos coming in via YouTube's
  recent posts view, popular posts view, tag views, etc ... but I prefer
  to have my shows listed as their own defined thing)

  - Dave


  On Nov 13, 2007 1:52 PM, Kath O'Donnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   just out of interest, does meefeedia pickup the navlopomo07 tags from
   the youtube videos also? or just the rss feeds? I tried to find some
   from there the other day but maybe I did something wrong. all the blip
   ones were there ok.
  
   sorry if it's a dumb question - I can't d/l all the videos usually due
   to b/w limitations so usually just view a few via web. all I've seen
   have been great, but yes, it's hard to keep up with watching them all!
  
   kath
  
  
  
   
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert Howe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  

 The easiest and best way to get ALL the videos is to go to:

 http://www.mefeedia.com/tags/navlopomo07/

 That's the tag you should use for your vids: navlopomo07

 There are almost 500 videos there already. In 12 days.


  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: NaVloPoMo - National Videoblog Posting Month, anyone?

2007-10-23 Thread Kath O'Donnell
I'll try this too this time. not sure where I'll be in nov yet or if I'll
have net access but I'll give it a go. (they'll be short clips though I
expect!)
kath


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: live video streaming

2007-10-19 Thread Kath O'Donnell
On 10/14/07, tom_a_sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  based on what I read only one person can view the feed at a time :(

oh :( sorry I forgot about that, I should have checked more closely.
(we used it one at a time)


  
   I used to do internet radio using ogg vorbis ( others prior to that)
   streaming via winamp (similar to live365 site - sometimes we'd use
  it as a
   relay site) but haven't done ogg theora / vorbis for video streaming.

  looks like I need to send an email to ogg theora mailing list


I found this on the new floss manuals site if it helps :
http://en.flossmanuals.net/theoracookbook

the main page http://en.flossmanuals.net/ has other links if you want
to try other systems

kath


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: [OT] Technologies of Persuasion online course with Douglas Rushkoff @ Maybe

2007-10-01 Thread Kath O'Donnell
thanks for the links. I think we have to watch those docos later as
part of the course. I found the transcripts, so they'll help!

cheers
kath

On 10/1/07, bordercollieaustralianshepherd
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Great tip, cool subject(s)/instructor (Philip Dick  Rushkoff) for a
  class, and timely topic sophisticated influence techniques.

  In case you (or anyone else) have not seen these , a couple of vids at
  PBS w/:
  http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cool/
  http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/persuaders/


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[videoblogging] [OT] Technologies of Persuasion online course with Douglas Rushkoff @ Maybe Logic Academy

2007-09-30 Thread Kath O'Donnell
hi, this is probably a bit off topic, but I thought some here might be
interested in case you haven't heard about it already. Douglas
Rushkoff is teaching an online course at Maybe Logic Academy starting
oct 1st called Technologies of Persuasion which will be looking into
media, marketing, online societies etc.

I'm not related to the MLA site, but came across it via the
media-squatters mail list which sent out a notice about this class.
I'm now two weeks into the Philip K Dick course also offered by the
site (which is really good!).

http://www.maybelogic.org/rushkoffcrs.htm
http://www.rushkoff.com


here's the first part of the course blurb - more on the links above.


This seminar will explore persuasion in a wide range of media. Our
task will be to evaluate humanity's ability to maintain agency in the
face of the increasingly sophisticated influence techniques used
against us.

Does the emergence of interactive media change the balance of power
between the masses and their would-be controllers? Or does the
Internet merely provide the illusion of independent thinking on yet
another tightly controlled media landscape?
More importantly, what is the real relationship between people, media,
technology, and power? How can we come to recognize the biases of the
media that we use - especially before we have committed our society to
their implementation? 


might see some of you there?



cheers
Kath



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Re: [videoblogging] FireAnt acquired by Odeo

2007-09-14 Thread Kath O'Donnell
congratulations! glad to hear all your hard work paid off. and congrats on
your new position.

kath


On 9/14/07, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Today it was announced that FireAnt's software and technology
 http://GetFireAnt.com was acquired by SonicMountain, a company that
 also recently acquired Odeo http://odeo.com (see:
 http://tinyurl.com/3bbpsg).

 I've been asked to join the new team, serving as VP of Product
 Development, and will be heading up FireAnt's transition (among other
 projects) as we re-launch everything under the Odeo brand later this
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Please help me with Green TV, Lori Lake

2007-08-28 Thread Kath O'Donnell
thanks for the offer Lori :)  I don't live in the US though  have only been
there once on a holiday.
I'll ask around, but can't promise anything - I know a few drupal
devs/admins who've worked on community sites, but I don't know any joomla
admins (though there are thousands out there!)

maybe there's others on the list who could help out.

your site is good - easy to navigate and find info. so I think if u can do
that, the cms will be a breeze for u!

(sorry for delayed reply)
kath

On 8/24/07, Sunrix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Kath, you are simply amazing. Is there any way I can compensate you or
 return the favor? We have furnished guest suites here at Green TV if you
 need a mini-vacation free to you.
 I have decided to go with the still photo postings like cu.naturalhome
 mag (actually to emulate the site) and now just need to find someone to
 help me build it. I created my GreenTV.com site from scratch yet this is
 going to require expertise. If you know (or can find) someone, I will
 compensate both you and them.
 Again, my utmost and sincere appreciation..

 Lori Lake



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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Please help me with Green TV, Lori Lake

2007-08-24 Thread Kath O'Donnell
cheers Lori :)

I took a quick look at the cu.naturalhome mag site and I can't say for
certain, but it looks like a joomla site to me (from the
look/feel/menus/sections  the view html source). I'm not sure of joomla's
themes - it could be a modified standard one or they could have made their
own new one.

the beauty of systems like joomla /drupal et al is that u can build the site
yourself. and u can get something up  running pretty quickly. basically u
install the software, create the database tables using the scripts they give
u. u download the scripts then upload to your webserver space. you just need
a database eg mysql  the login details (your host will give these to you) -
most hosting packages include databases or have them available for a fee.
then add 'modules' (drupal) / 'addons' (joomla) that give u extra features
on the site. I haven't used joomla for a while, so can't remember which
modules come as default. but the cu mag site looks like it's got modules
such as gallery  spotlight (the video on frontpage). many of the other
features like comments, bulletin boards, event listings etc may come as
default or be addon modules which u can plugin.  (which basically means to
upload the code files and enable the module/addon in your admin page, then
configure it's options if it has any also from your admin page)

there's usually a few default 'themes' (drupal) / 'templates' (joomla) which
u can try - these change the way the site looks (eg some might be different
css themes). u can always customise these  make your own to make your site
look different to the default joomla sites. (u can write your own modules
also  customise existing ones if u need something different for your site)

the hardest part is usually deciding on which modules to use and how you
want the site to be used and look.

u might try posting in one of the joomla site forums as that's usually where
the people building joomla sites will hang out. there's often calls for help
in building sites. if someone else does it for you they may require payment.


eg, here's one for non-profit organisations.
http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/board,153.0.html

there's a few joomla books also (listed on their site) and online
documentation etc.

as a suggestion, take a look through the Free Addons page (
http://www.joomla.org/content/blogcategory/20/37/) and the Commercial Addons
page (http://www.joomla.org/content/blogcategory/22/38/) (both available
from the News page via menus/sidebar) and see what sort of features you'd
want to add. because the clearer you can be in specifying what u want, the
easier it'll be for someone to help u build it. similarly look at the
Templates pages for ideas on how the site will look / be arranged.

joomla powered sites : examples
http://www.joomla.org/content/blogcategory/35/69/

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com,
 greentvgirl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Kath, my head is now spinning which actually is a good thing! Your
  reply along with others is incredible! People helping people. What a
  concept! Not joking as there are many small thinkers here on the
  Chesapeake Bay.
  With much appreciation,
 
  Lori
  PS: Do you know anyone that could build a site like the one I
  mentioned at http://cu.naturalhomemagazine.com/
 




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Re: [videoblogging] Re:online editing systems query

2007-08-23 Thread Kath O'Donnell
thanks Nerissa.

I found a few more since the orig email, in case they're useful for you
also:

http://www.jaycut.com/
a review here :
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/jaycut_online_video_editor.php
 the same guy reviewed a few online video apps :
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/video_editing_20_8_ways_to_remix_videos.phpwhere
he lists a few (the ones u've listed plus more)

motionbox (http://www.motionbox.com/)
http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/04/02/motionbox-best-online-video-sharing-so-far/has
a review with links to some others.

(from comments  googl  reviews)
Tubeloader
videoegg (http://www.videoegg.com/)
Bubbleply
grouper (www.grouper.com)


http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2124596,00.asp has a comparison
chart for Cuts, Eyespot, JumpCut, Motionbox, One True Media. page back for
fuller articles on each.

O'Reilly's site has a notice about Adobe's Photobucket coming soon (seems to
be for pro users)
http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/02/photobucket_to.html


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Re: [videoblogging] Please help me with Green TV, Lori Lake

2007-08-23 Thread Kath O'Donnell
Hi Lori, it might be worth using a Content Management System (CMS) for your
site so it's easy to update and for people to post articles/media/comments.
from the layout / sections on your current site, I think a CMS would be the
way to go.

I use one called drupal (http://www.drupal.org) which is great for community
sites and it's free to use (as in cost). there's a sister project called
CivicSpace also, which is based on drupal but some people find it easier to
setup (~ more of an out-of-the-box solution). (http://civicspacelabs.org)
there are many others available also. eg joomla (http://www.joomla.org/),
plone (http://plone.org/).

a CMS comparison site which may be handy for you if you want to see/compare
the features is at CMS Matrix (http://www.cmsmatrix.org/). I guess you'd
need to make a list of what features you want/need first/as u go. and think
about things such as where you want the media contributions hosted - on your
site or remotely  link them in / bandwidth / traffic considerations.

some community sites use wordpress / blogging systems also and these can
also be effective. the freevlog.org site has details  tutorials on how to
setup a videoblog site so that may be useful for you too.

if you just want to link to youtube/blip.tv videos then you could just add
the code directly to your site, though it's not really interactive so
probably not what you're after. ( I notice you already have this in the
howto video sections)

cheers
Kath




  I write to find how Green TV could make a great interactive site and
  the reason is not my existing Green TV web site or content. Since
  going live on the internet less than 1-year ago, I have had people
  from all over the globe asking how they could contribute their green
  photos and/or videos (ranging from amateurs to architects, local
  politicians to government leaders, educators to media)
 




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Re: [videoblogging] Re: for Podtech re: racist posts by Loren Feldman and lack of responsibility

2007-08-07 Thread Kath O'Donnell
the absolute least we can do is push for them  other sites to put a
-1 on their stats for posts such as this. the amount of attention this
has received has probably mean their # hits/views has increased. if
people could push an 'I object  don't count my view as a hit' protest
button that would be a start. cos perhaps they'll look at the numbers
in future and forget about the subject of the video, and make more $
off this. :(



--- stbdpittsburgh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Gena mentioned the following point:
  
There will be other videos like this. What can we
   do as a community or
individuals to make our anger know? We have
   choices of finding new
   paths.
  

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: the ugly truth about online video

2007-08-05 Thread Kath O'Donnell
(late reply)

I think one day people will be shooting / making video / media as stringers
and sell that to people who need video / media, likely businesses who can
afford to pay. another layer to news program's stringers/freelancers but on
any topic, not just news. ala Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash. so people will
be taking videos for themselves and to upload and be paid if someone
uses/downloads it. when archive.org started I was reminded of this also -
The Library - a collection of clips from creative minds  people uploading
as they will. so the utubes and googles et al will become clip libraries.
most will be noise, but some will be useful for others. it happens in a
small way now, how many of you have had people see a clip or video and ask
if they can use it? similar with photos. eg I've had people see a photo and
remember a place or a personal memory and ask if they can use it. after a
while of people posting videos / photos / media - patterns will develop and
certain topics / styles / genres will be sought after. anything is possible
- the niches, the popularist content, the everyday life, the world around
us. in the future when the world is different people will want to see how it
was. I wonder also if it'll affect our memories  the way our brains connect
thoughts  images as the ease of storing photos/videos to trigger memories
is different now to even say 30 years ago, but that's probably another
thread. I wonder then if it'll lead to obsession ala until the end of the
world when Claire became obsessed with watching her recorded dreams on her
portable video player. I think the two ideas (book/movie) will merge 
expand.

I think this has all been mentioned here before - a while ago.. so a
refresher. but, I think it's getting closer. especially with google etc 
their searching capabilities and tagging / metadata so common place these
days. if I were a big business this is the way I'd be going anyway.

kath

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extract from Snow Crash (by Neal Stephenson) about the library..

The business is a simple one. Hiro gets information. It may be gossip,
videotape, audiotape, a fragment of a computer disk, a xerox of a document.
It can even be a joke based on the latest highly publicized disaster.

He uploads it to the CIC database -- the Library, formerly the Library of
Congress, but no one calls it that anymore. Most people are not entirely
clear on what the word congress means.

And even the word library is getting hazy. It used to be a place full of
books, mostly old ones. Then they began to include videotapes, records, and
magazines. Then all of the information got converted into machine-readable
form, which is to say, ones and zeroes. And as the number of media grew, the
material became more up to date, and the methods for searching the Library
became more and more sophisticated, it approached the point where there was
no substantive difference between the Library of Congress and the Central
Intelligence Agency. Fortuitously, this happened just as the government was
falling apart anyway. So they merged and kicked out a big fat stock
offering.

Millions of other CIC stringers are uploading millions of other fragments
at the same time. CIC's clients, mostly large corporations and Sovereigns,
rifle through the Library looking for useful information, and if they find a
use for something that Hiro put into it, Hiro gets paid.

A year ago, he uploaded an entire first-draft film script that he stole
from an agent's wastebasket in Burbank. Half a dozen studios wanted to see
it. He ate and vacationed off of that one for six months.

Since then, times have been leaner. He has been learning the hard way that
99 percent of the information in the Library never gets used at all.






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Re: [videoblogging] Re: the ugly truth about online video

2007-08-05 Thread Kath O'Donnell
oh, also, which is why I think ads on videos is an old media way of
thinking. like ads on tv. (which will phase into product placements
soon enough). people will still use them now whilst they make money
from them but I don't think they'll be necessary or used in future as
they'll be regarded as spam. similar to what was mentioned earlier,
people ignore spam on the net now, so in the future when the
generations change, they'll lose their power.  the information /
message will be the currency.   hopefully the creative mind! :)

On 8/5/07, Kath O'Donnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 (late reply)

 I think one day people will be shooting / making video / media as stringers
 and sell that to people who need video / media, likely businesses who can


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Loren Feldman = Technigga

2007-08-04 Thread Kath O'Donnell
I couldn't watch the whole thing - didn't think it was funny. his eyes
looked a little red to me.. does he think it's ok to smoke some drugs then
have a rant on the net. could be wrong but that's how I saw it.. I think
he's getting too much attention now.
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Re: [videoblogging] The Vloggies (was Re: irina gone)

2007-07-24 Thread Kath O'Donnell
it's interesting though how this list has changed.. when I first
joined, the threads were shorter and the conversations were done on
video and there was less text. whatever happened to that.

awards seem strange for personal media to me also. awards/more people
seem to lead to increased business-like behaviour, a more traditional
mail list and less video conversations? are they all on utube now in
video responses perhaps.



On 7/24/07, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yeah, I know what you mean - I'm not a huge fan of awards shows
 either (except when I win lots of money by betting on the Oscars),
 but I don't like the idea of community awards - I'd rather they were
 handled by Podtech (or whoever) and treated honestly for what they are.

 Whatever community love Irina brought to the table, that thing you
 quoted from the wiki just goes to show that Awards Shows are pretty
 much a commercial concept at heart. They're not a level-playing-field
 community thing to reward individuals for individual artistic
 achievement.

 Popular shows win, because they get more votes.  Popular shows tend
 to be commercial show concepts rather than, say, personal
 videoblogs.  So in the end the main benefactors of awards are popular
 shows who can then put up banners saying Winner of 5 vloggies and
 tell that to their viewers and the press.  That might help Ask A
 Ninja or Galacticast or Ze Frank who benefit from being seen by the
 maximum number of people because they have mass appeal.

 Personally, i don't feel that if I won an award (best shouting into a
 cellphone camera on the streets of London?) it would boost my
 audience in any lasting way, since the very few people who want to
 watch and subscribe to some british tit shouting into his phone over
 the internet are pretty much going to find me anyway.

 I like my community to be without judgement and ranking.  I don't
 want my community to tell me that there's some other london cellphone
 shouter they like more than me, or to tell that person that they like
 me more.  What does that mean?  It probably means the winner was able
 to marshal more friends and family to go online and vote.

 So I'd prefer it if we didn't have a community awards.  I'm quite
 happy for Podtech and the corporate mass-appeal boys and girls to do
 their commercial Awards thing and compete for promotional
 opportunities, while the rest of us just get on with making our
 videos and connecting with people, for whatever bizarre reasons.
 Then if any awards drop out of the sky, it's easier to accept them
 while taking a moment to be humble enough to know that it doesn't
 mean we're the best at anything - just that some people voted.

 Rupert
 http://twittervlog.tv


 On 24 Jul 2007, at 14:06, Michael Verdi wrote:

 Personally, I don't like the idea of an awards show at all. Last year
 I tried to argue that point but it was clear that so many people

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Lies, Damned Lies And Statistics

2007-07-05 Thread Kath O'Donnell
[snip]

I have some videos on the net - not sure if I'd call them vlogs as
there's no real pattern to them  I hardly ever edit, just upload the
raw clips as an online backup usually. just little captures of moments
or gigs I've been to. so not sure if these are what you're after, but
here you go, another example..

I put them up on blip  youtube. some older ones on ourmedia but I
can't see the download numbers there.

blip.tv has 59 videos with 13432 views total (1717 highest, 5 lowest -
this was uploaded last night, 21 lowest prior to this)

youtube has 17 videos (5903 highest, 5 lowest - this was uploaded last
night, 25 lowest prior to this)

top 4 downloads on each site are - these have been online for around 9-12mths.
battle of the year breakdancing finals 2003 (an old video of the Aus
team I had lying around - rates the best, even though the quality
would be worst as it was taken on my old camera)
blip=1717, youtube=5903

Wikid Force breakers @ BOTY 2003 Sydney - blip=548, youtube=1676

Red Fort, Delhi, India blip=1058, youtube=1452

old delhi markets  chandni chowk - from a cycle rickshaw - blip=80,
youtube=1283

the rest follow the long tail curve and have from 700- 20 on each
site. these are mostly videos from electronic music
festivals/gigs/travel videos. it's interesting that they get similar
results/proportion of views on both systems, I find this more
interesting than the actual number of downloads/views. the
festivals/gigs ones I get the most emails /messages about as they're
of locals and it helps them so they're the ones I like most even
though their numbers are lower (it's a small niche topic though). the
travel ones are for me to remember things so I'm surprised anyone else
wants to see them at all.

I don't think anyone uses feedburner to see my vids so I don't think
there'd be many/any subs to the feeds - I think the link might have
been removed from my site during an upgrade once.


kath


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Re: [videoblogging] Local Vlog screenings (was: Weekly Video Conference)

2007-06-20 Thread Kath O'Donnell
video volunteers in india do this sort of thing - the community (usually
women!) make video magazines and take them to the villages and show them on
outdoor screens (usually) - so the videos can be seen by around 1 people
per month. topics are generally community issues  things people want to
share with others. they are on the net too but more people in the villages
see them at a screening as internet access is less accessible.
http://videovolunteers.org/

indymedia often have screenings also - usually activist based films/videos,
some have been downloaded off the net or distributed to other collectives
via dvd/downloads. same for festivals - arts/music/film festivals - small 
large.

also the pecha kucha nights and dorkbot nights sometimes show videos
(sometimes synced to music too). they're cool get togethers and happen in
many cities/countries  are for people to show off/share their
projects/work.

you can always hire a projector for the night if the expense is too much to
purchase outright.

also, at zine festivals/stalls and markets you can often pick up/purchase
dvds/vcds of people's movies. another option for people's videos if they
want to move past the internet. (it removes the vloginess though)


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Re: [videoblogging] Video Blog Wikipedia Entry

2007-05-02 Thread Kath O'Donnell
I haven't read the whole of this thread but I find it ironic that a
mechanism such as videoblogging, which due to it's low barrier to entry
means people can bypass msm, requires msm to define/reference it on
wikipedia so that it's definition becomes validated.

perhaps all the info on the page should be deleted and a few links to
selected examples of videoblog posts be added so if someone wants to know
about vb, they can watch the videos to work it out. but then there'd be
fights over which vids to show to represent vb... ;)

kath

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Re: [videoblogging] League of Decent Vloggers Unite!

2007-04-10 Thread Kath O'Donnell
the O'Reilly draft code of conduct is based loosely on the blogher one isn't
it (he mentions this at
http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/04/draft_bloggers_1.html)

http://blogher.org/community-guidelines
this is a good one We won't say anything online that we wouldn't say in
person.

I think the proposal's alright actually. I wish more message boards/irc
systems/maillists had this in the past, though they also tend to be
self/community moderated online systems which even out after a while.
obviously not everyone will follow the guidelines anyway, and there's always
the flyby posters but the guidelines seem pretty commonsense/logical to me
as they are. not sure I'll feel the need to add a badge to any of my
sites/communities I'm part of but I don't see anything too unusual there.
maybe some parents might like the badged sites as ok for younger readers?

kath

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 It sounds like the blogosphere is putting together their own league of
 decent bloggers.

 http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070409-prohibition-and-
 candelight-marches-a-code-of-conduct-for-bloggers.html

 tiny url: http://tinyurl.com/24udle

 (So much for arstechnica's insane url length.)

 Anyway, the whole article makes me laugh... our own league of decent
 vloggers shows remarkable foresight in pre-parodying the issue
 before the
 blogging space even grappled with it. Perhaps we could organize some
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Hyperlinks in Video

2007-04-07 Thread Kath O'Donnell
Hi Nick, sorry to hear you're having problems with the tutorials. the one
posted in the link below is a bit disjointed as I haven't uploaded the
images to go with them so it's harder to follow. maybe the word doc in the
zip file might be better as it has examples (this  an rtf version are
attached to the post/link below). these are for quicktime. basically it's
creating a text file/text track using the correct codes and reinserting it
back into the qt movie. once u've done it a couple of times it's pretty
straightforward but is fiddly the first couple of times as it's not a
one-step action. so using the other software mentioned in this thread is
probably a more straightforward method. I found Andreas' linkubator very
good also. ( for smil examples). but if u do perservere with the tutorial 
have problems let me know and I'll see if I can help out (others here would
be able to also)

http://www.aliak.com/files/hyperlinks-doc.zip

cheers
kath


On 4/4/07, Nick Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Thanks I will try to reach Andreas...

 I tried working on these tutorials last night:

 http://www.apple.com/quicktime/tutorials/hreftracks.html

 http://www.aliak.com/node/2439

 and I couldn't get it to work.. Maybe, I'm just not that skilled yet.

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Re: [videoblogging] vbweek is canceled!

2007-03-31 Thread Kath O'Donnell
a green week would be great! in sydney last night they had Earth Hour where
they asked businesses and households to turn off the lights ( powerpoints)
for an hour - msm got behind it. I checked my apartment block and most
people had done it but next door hadn't - it's a start though. a friend
working for WWF has been working on a screensaver that asks u to turn off
the monitor if it's using too much power (it counts the kw it's used whilst
running). there seems to be more and more activity towards environment 
combating global warming these days which is great to see.
will keep an eye on your greentime site - looks like there's lots of useful
info there.

here's the links in case you're interested:
http://earthhour.smh.com.au/
http://www.usefulscreensaver.com.au/

Kath



On 4/1/07, J. Rhett Aultman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Heath, with us launching Greentime, we haven't had the time to be able
 to even think about VBW, but we'd love to consider another week.

 Personally, I'd love to do a green video blogging week.

 --
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[videoblogging] Fwd: [Air-l] Video Vortex (conference and list); Responses to YouTube

2007-03-17 Thread Kath O'Donnell
thought some here might be interested in this conference later in the year.
there's a mail list also

Video Vortex Conference :   http://www.networkcultures.org/videovortex/

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From: geert lovink ..
Date: Mar 17, 2007 7:52 PM
Subject: [Air-l] Video Vortex (conference and list); Responses to YouTube
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Video Vortex Conference: November 30 and December 1 2007, Amsterdam (NL)
Organized by the Institute of Network Cultures

First announcement (shorter air version), March 16, 2007

More on the Event: http://www.networkcultures.org/videovortex/
List info:
http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/videovortex_listcultures.org

In response to the increasing potential for video to become a
significant form of personal media on the Internet, this conference
examines the key issues that are emerging around the independent
production and distribution of online video content. What are artists
and activists responses to the popularity of 'user-generated content'
websites? Is corporate backlash eminent?

After years of talk about digital conversions and crossmedia platforms
we are now witnessing the merger of the Internet and television at a
pace that no one predicted. For the baby boom generation, that
currently forms the film and television establishment, the media
organisations and conglomerates, this unfolds as a complete nightmare.
Not only because of copyright issues but increasingly due to the shift
of audience to vlogging and video-sharing websites as part of the
development of a broader participatory culture.

The opening night will feature live acts, performances and lectures
under the banner of video slamming. We will trace the history from
short film to one-minute videos to the first experiments with streaming
media and online video, along with exploring the way VJs and media
artists are accessing and using online archives.

The Video Vortex conference aims to contextualize these latest
developments through presenting continuities and discontinuities in the
artistic, activist and mainstream perspective of the last few decades.
Unlike the way online video presents itself as the latest and greatest,
there are long threads to be woven into the history of visual art,
cinema and documentary production. The rise of the database as the
dominant form of storing and accessing cultural artifacts has a rich
tradition that still needs to be explored. The conference aims to raise
the following questions:

- How are people utilising the potential to independently produce and
distribute independent video content on the Internet?
- What are the alternatives to the proprietary standards currently
being developed?
- What are the commercial objectives that mass media is imposing on
user-generated content and video-sharing databases?
- What is the underlying economics of online video in the age of
unlimited uploads?
- How autonomous are vloggers within the broader domain of mass media?
- How are cinema, television and video art being affected by the
development of a ubiquitous online video practice?
- What type of aesthetic and narrative issues does the database pose
for online video practice?

Conference themes:

Viral Video critique
Vlogging Critique
Participatory Culture, Participatory Video
Real World Tools and Technologies
Theory  History of the Database
Narrative and the Cinematic
Database Taxonomy and Navigation
Internet Video: Art, Activism, and Public Media
Evening Programme / Exhibition

(see website for details)

Video Vortex Discussion List:

With this discussion list we like to gather responses to the rise of
YouTube and similar online video databases. What does YouTube tell us
about the state of art in visual culture? Is YouTube the corporate
media structure of the 21st century? What are the artist responses to
YouTube aesthetics?

General information about the mailing list is at:
http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/videovortex_listcultures.org

To post to this list, send your email to:
videovortex(at)listcultures.org

This list is meant for all those interested in the topic, and will
possibly continue after the event in late 2007.

Practical info:

Date
November 30 and December 1, 2007.

Venue
PostCS 11, PostCS building
Oosterdokskade 3-5
1011 AD Amsterdam
T: 020 - 62 55 999
www.ilove11.nl

Organized by
Institute of Network Cultures, HvA Interactive Media, Amsterdam

Editorial team
Geert Lovink, Sabine Niederer, Shirley Niemans

Affiliated researchers
Seth Keen, Vera Tollmann

Production
Shirley Niemans

For further information, please contact
Shirley Niemans, shirley(at)networkcultures.org
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Re: [videoblogging] I am so disappointed in You all.

2007-02-17 Thread Kath O'Donnell
hey Paul, I tried making a new digg story as per below, but it came up
saying this was a duplicate to
http://digg.com/videos_comedy/Comic_relief_17_2_2007/blog when I tried to
submit (your entry?). so I just clicked the digg it button on the one
already on digg.com.

it seems to have worked when I did submit anyway (not sure if they like this
or prefer to stick to one article):
http://digg.com/videos/comedy/pjkproductions_30_day_video_joke_athon_to_support_Comic_Relief/blog

is digg mostly for USA stories? (I don't check it much so am not sure).
maybe u want to post on the bbc/radio1 website blogs or newspaper/tv channel
blogs or any other uk community sites you're a member of for more uk
response. time out site? or comedy club message boards? or if the local pubs
have a noticeboard maybe put up a flyer with the url for people to take home
and try. pubs  jokes seem to go together? and office jokes email lists.
(I've just deleted mine so don't have a joke for you sorry - friday is
usually the day they are sent round).


On 2/18/07, Paul Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   1. I want to make this quite popular, in doing so I need to know how
 to get the message out there, digg might be good, but I have only
 once been dugg, so if someone could digg me who people listen to that
 would help.




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Re: [videoblogging] I am so disappointed in You all.

2007-02-17 Thread Kath O'Donnell
oh sorry, also do u have one of those 'digg this' links on your site - I
couldn't see it but perhaps having one would remind people to digg the blog
entries without them having to goto digg site and find/make a new story on
it.

if there is one that I missed, post the link in your email perhaps?


On 2/18/07, Kath O'Donnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 hey Paul, I tried making a new digg story as per below, but it came up
 saying this was a duplicate to
 http://digg.com/videos_comedy/Comic_relief_17_2_2007/blog when I tried to
 submit (your entry?). so I just clicked the digg it button on the one
 already on digg.com.


 On 2/18/07, Paul Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
1. I want to make this quite popular, in doing so I need to know how
  to get the message out there, digg might be good, but I have only
  once been dugg, so if someone could digg me who people listen to that
  would help.
 
 
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com, a call for discussion on proper re-vlogging ettiquette

2007-01-05 Thread Kath O'Donnell
you almost need a 'taste' attribute with an opt-in override (user based in
addition to site) in the rss feed that the user/creator can fillin when they
post their work /or as a sitewide option (so if u added another optin u
wouldn't need to go back an update all the existing postings)
licence= +non_commercial +non_dating_site +opt-in=fireant +opt-in=itunes

add a parental rating option for those wanting to use that also

then the dating sites (eg heavy) have their dating_site=1 flag set in their
aggregator software/system and if they do pull in feeds from other sources,
they would skip over the entries with non_dating_site set. each aggregator
has their name set eg fireant, itunes to do the opt-in matching

get the rss feed/aggregators to do some of the filtering for you  give the
user some more control. just need some spec/code changes but over time it
might improve things.
(soft drm?)

then you'd just need another option (default?) for others who don't want to
set these attributes to keep those people happy also

something like this is probably already available? I haven't read the rss
spec so just pondering atm. if it is, perhaps the issue is more that it's
not easy for the user to specify when they post/at site level to a finer
level of detail



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Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com, a call for discussion on proper re-vlogging ettiquette

2007-01-05 Thread Kath O'Donnell
have an opt-out also for users to opt out of whole sites eg heavy
opt-out=heavy.com


On 1/6/07, Kath O'Donnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 you almost need a 'taste' attribute with an opt-in override (user based in
 addition to site) in the rss feed that the user/creator can fillin when they
 post their work /or as a sitewide option (so if u added another optin u
 wouldn't need to go back an update all the existing postings)
 licence= +non_commercial +non_dating_site +opt-in=fireant
 +opt-in=itunes




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Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com, a call for discussion on proper re-vlogging ettiquette

2007-01-05 Thread Kath O'Donnell
ahh. namespaces. for extending rss spec.
is that an option - for blip or the videoblogging community to define it's
own namespaces then work with other aggregators so they support them also?

http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification#extendingRss
http://www.disobey.com/detergent/2002/extendingrss2/



On 1/6/07, Kath O'Donnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 have an opt-out also for users to opt out of whole sites eg heavy
 opt-out=heavy.com


 On 1/6/07, Kath O'Donnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  you almost need a 'taste' attribute with an opt-in override (user based
  in addition to site) in the rss feed that the user/creator can fillin when
  they post their work /or as a sitewide option (so if u added another optin
  u wouldn't need to go back an update all the existing postings)
  licence= +non_commercial +non_dating_site +opt-in=fireant
  +opt-in=itunes
 
 



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Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com, a call for discussion on proper re-vlogging ettiquette

2007-01-05 Thread Kath O'Donnell
thanks, I just found the mediarss info also and can see the rating and
restrictions already in place, so I should have researched prior to emailing
off the top of my head. I noticed you're listed on the working group
contributors for the spec Andreas. is the group working on having other
sites/aggregators implement the tags at the other end also? and making it
easier for people to fill in the appropriate fields so they are of use if
populated.

thanks Mike for your comments.

http://search.yahoo.com/mrss

On 1/6/07, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   No, existing standard cover this space sufficiently. There is no need
 for
 creating a new standard. The problem is not a lack of a standard but lack
 of support (intentional or not) for existing standards in services (and
 lack of use of existing standards by creators).

 - Andreas

 Den 06.01.2007 kl. 02:53 skrev Kath O'Donnell [EMAIL 
 PROTECTED]aliak77%40gmail.com
 :


  ahh. namespaces. for extending rss spec.
  is that an option - for blip or the videoblogging community to define
  it's
  own namespaces then work with other aggregators so they support them
  also?
 
  http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification#extendingRss
  http://www.disobey.com/detergent/2002/extendingrss2/
 
 
 
  On 1/6/07, Kath O'Donnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] aliak77%40gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  have an opt-out also for users to opt out of whole sites eg heavy
  opt-out=heavy.com
 
 
  On 1/6/07, Kath O'Donnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] aliak77%40gmail.com
 wrote:
  
   you almost need a 'taste' attribute with an opt-in override (user
  based
   in addition to site) in the rss feed that the user/creator can fillin

  when
   they post their work /or as a sitewide option (so if u added another

  optin
   u wouldn't need to go back an update all the existing postings)
   licence= +non_commercial +non_dating_site +opt-in=fireant
   +opt-in=itunes
  
  
 
 
 

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Re: [videoblogging] OT max/msp (was Re: question for Macbook Pro owners)

2006-06-05 Thread Kath O'Donnell



cheers. yeah I've tried pd on windows a couple of years back prior to
trying max but I preferred the interface of max. good idea - I might
give it a shot on the mac to see if it's better these days.

On 6/5/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If you're on Mac, you may also want to check out Pd (PureData) -- its
 similar program to Max/MSP (also developed by Miller Puckette), except
 its free and open source.






  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: transparency

2006-05-28 Thread Kath O'Donnell



hi, sounds like a good project to support so I tried to pledge and the
fundable site came back with an error:

Your payment did not go through The following problem occurred:
Transaction ended prematurely. [my paypal account][]

This may indicate that

 * your credit card number is not valid.
 * your credit card's expiration date is not valid.
 * your billing address is not valid or does not match the credit
card you entered.

Please try again using one of the following payment methods:


- the amount showed up in my paypal account ok though (as pending
transaction as expected), but sounds like it didn't complete at
fundable. I have an Australian paypal account. does fundable only work
with US ones? my paypal works ok - used it successfully yesterday so I
don't think it's a problem with my account/credit card. is fundable
looking for a US credit card number range perhaps?

anyone else having a problem?
cheers
Kath





  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: transparency

2006-05-28 Thread Kath O'Donnell



cheers. I'll try that. I sent an email to fundable also. maybe there
was a server problem at the time.


 I'd e-mail Jay directly. He can probably login to fundable directly and
 check if your donation got recorded propery or not.





  
  
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[videoblogging] Fwd: [undergrowthdigizine] No Budget Filmfestival Germany

2006-04-14 Thread Kath O'Donnell



they have an 'extremely short' section which might suit some videobloggers if you can copy your films to dvd etc. not sure if they'd accept online formats..perhaps it's something film festivals will have to cater for more in future though.
http://www.filmsharing.eu/  International NoBudget VideoFilmfestival Weimar - Deadline 15th of May

Welche Film- und Videoformate werden für die Wettbewerbe angenommen? 
(Mini)DV(Cam) Pal/NTSC), DVD (Pal/NTSC), DVCPro25 (Pal) andere Formate nach Absprache
Es werden keine Vorführkopien in Super8, 16mm oder 35mm angenommen. 
Which formats can be submitted?
(Mini)DV(Cam) Pal/NTSC), DVD (Pal/NTSC), DVCPro25 (Pal) all other
formats are a matter of negotiation. We do not show copies in Super8,
16mm or 35mm.  

Welche formalen Kriterien sollte mein Beitrag erfüllen?
 Which formal criteria should my film meet?  

Narrativer Kurzfilm /  short fictionUltrakurz 
 extremely short  (3min)   
Kurzfilm  shortfilm  (3 - 15min) 
Dokumentarfilm /  documentary film  
Kurzfilm Short documentary  (15min)  Langfilm 
documentary feature film  (45min or longer) -- Forwarded message --From: Sam Hoffmann Date: Apr 14, 2006 9:18 PM
Subject: [undergrowthdigizine] No BudgetFilmfestival GermanyTo: Undergrowth Digizine [EMAIL PROTECTED]



http://www.filmsharing.eu/  International NoBudget VideoFilmfestival Weimar - Deadline 15th of May
  WE want to show YOUR work!  WE = the different festival for independent filmmakers from everywhere. this year's motto GELD SPIELT KEINE ROLLE (~money is not an issue) is the key to our expectations of art and quality
 YOU = filmmaker of narrative or documentary films, independent in mind  approach, who wants to spread his original ideas among an enthousiastic audience  Be quick and send us your work! You'll find the entry form and more
 details on our homepage.   WIR wollen DEINE Filme!  WIR = ein Festival in neu und anders für unabhaengige Filmemacher von ueberall. Das diesjaehrige Motto GELD SPIELT KEINE ROLLE ist die Kurzfassung
 unserer Idee von guten Filmen, es zaehlen Kreativitaet und Eigenheit DU = Filmemacher
 narrativer oder dokumentarischer Filme, unabhaengig in Geist  Ausdruck, der seine Ideen mit einem begeisterungsfaehigen Publikum teilen will  Schnell sein und Film einschicken! Das Einreichformular und weitere Infos
 gibt's auf der Homepage.  http://www.filmsharing.eu/


  




  
  
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