Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general
On 1/27/07, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im not sure Id agree that a sense of victimization or righteous anger are the primary driving forces behind such things, but they are in the mix somewhere when it comes to reactions of music etc industry. When somebody makes the argument that the profit of a third party is necessarily their loss, they are arguing from victimization. Let's say you argue that aggregated creators deserve a share of the profits of an aggregator. That doesn't follow from economics. The economic point of view is that investors in the aggregator, its owners, are the ones who deserve a share of the profits, because they also stood to lose money if it lost money. When I buy a house for $X, I stand to lose $X and also stand to gain whatever I can sell it for above $X. If the value of my house goes up because my neighbor painted and fixed up their own place, my neighbor has no claim to my profit. There are people who read my blog in Bloglines, for example, but I make no claim to Bloglines' revenues. If Bloglines goes out of business I lose nothing, so why should I stand to gain if it makes money? Ditto videoblogs and video aggregrators. Ask yourself this: if MyHeavy goes out of business, what does it cost you? And how do you know whether they are even making a profit right now? (I doubt they are). The reality is that you don't know or care whether they exist, much less whether they are profitable. The only thing that matters to you is whether *you* are profitable. People in the music business made the same bogus argument over and over again in reaction to third parties who benefit from their work. If somebody sings my song at a birthday party and everybody has fun because of that, don't I deserve a few bucks? If my song accidentally ends up in the background of a scene in a documentary, don't I get paid? If an Elvis impersonator lands a good gig in Vegas, doesn't the Presley estate get a cut? So that's my case that the sense of righteous anger is misplaced. Now for the issue of victimization -- why do I say this anger flows from a misplaced sense of victimization? The value of my house goes up because my neighbor painted and fixed up their own place. Do they deserve a cut? Why shouldn't they get a share, since it was their work? Their improvements weren't cheap either! I mean, they slaved on their fixup every weekend, they put a ton of money into the painters, they took a day off from work to get a construction permit -- where do I get off making a fortune off them!? But hold on, there's another way of looking at it. My benefit is a positive externality. Per Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Externality, 'an externality is a cost or benefit from an economic transaction that parties external to the transaction receive.' Just so for remixers and aggregators and all the other third parties, whether street people or rich corporations, who benefit from the labor and investment of a videoblogger. What matters has nothing to do with the benefit of third parties. It has to do with the health of the videoblogger. If you got what you wanted out of your vlog, who cares whether other people benefitted too? Did you have fun? Did you make friends? Did you make something beautiful and worthwhile? If so, keep doing it. If not, quit. There is no need for my neighbor to get a share of my profit if their intention was to live in a better home. Our work on CCMixter.org made it possible for remixers in the community to do stuff they couldn't have done otherwise. Ok, they lost the potential to earn money from people who sampled them, but they wouldn't have created those samples if they weren't able to sample others in the first place. Whatever they might have lost was something they wouldn't have had in the first place. As Rox says, from way out there it all belongs to all of us. We are the messengers. So that's the arguing from victimization thing. It's an argument that doesn't flow from economics, just from a sense of entitlement. What a totally different attitude we might have to all forms of ownership, rights, control, freedom of all creative works, ideas, and reuse, if we lived in some totally different world where everybody did a practical job such as farming during the first part of the day, and then returned home to converse, create, remix and redeploy, entertain , amuse and educate fellow humans during the afternoon evening. As a musician, I have no desire to do it for a living. I really do prefer to do it on the side. It makes me happy to play in the morning before I go to work, and that's all I need. -Lucas
Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general
On 1/28/07, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the reasonable person can find a fair course through the complex. I think we're doing that -- as Roxanne suggests -- by having these discussions here. So here's the fair course that I see -- there should be clear and unambiguous agreements which apply the same way to all comers. Whether you're black or white, rich or poor, a jerk or a nice person, an individual or a rich corporation, the terms should be the same. That's way I disagree so strongly when you say this: I do want to constrain corporations from profiting on my back without compensating me. This thread is not about artists blurring the lines of other artist's CC licenses by grabbing content that is expedient to grab. It's about funded companies like MyHeavy.com and Magnify infringing our copyright and profiting by doing so without compensating us. From my perspective this is wrong because it puts the onus on who you are rather than whether you keep your promises. Why is that so wrong? Because when the onus is on who you are, the loser is always the little guy. The big guy can get his calls returned, the little guy can't even get the phone number. For example, I challenge you to license a hit song like My Way for your videoblog. You won't even be able to find somebody to tell you no. You're conceiving of this from the opposite angle, saying that the little guy should get the benefit of the doubt; I'm arguing that whenever that's the situation it is the little guy who gets shut out. If you want an environment that is fair to the little guy, you can only have it by making it a level playing field for the big guy too. -Lucas
Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general
http://blip.tv/file/139457/ ...let's continue this conversation with moving pictures.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general
On 1/28/07, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there is a big difference from playing a ditty at a wedding and selling CDs by the truckload. They are not like at all. Of course they were wrong to argue that. Under the law there is no difference between playing a ditty at a wedding and selling CDs by the truckload. If it's a reasonable claim against a giant corporation selling CDs by the truckload, it's a reasonable claim against an individual playing a ditty at a wedding. That's the entire reason I'm willing to expose myself to your anger in this conversation. The expansive rights that you and many other videobloggers are asking for would be a catastrophe in the hands of big corporations, and if you get them then they do to. -Lucas
Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general
On 1/28/07, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see how we're asking for expansive rights by not allowing corporations to take our work in its entirety, display it and profit from it with no attribution or direct linkage. I don't see how seeking permission and or compensation for usage of our work is somehow a giant leap. There's some kind of disconnect. The disconnect is that I'm making a technical point about what copyright can and can't do. Copyright gives you different powers over taking, displaying, and profiting. It gives you great power over redistribution. In the case of displaying via an embed it gives you very little power (though over aspects of the law might help). In the case of profiting it gives you no power at all. If you want to use copyright to control displaying or profiting, that's an expansion of copyright. There's also the issue of your desire to have more power to control corporations than to control individuals. The law has to be the same regardless of who you are. Your right to restrict corporations based on who they are is equivalent to allowing corporations to set special restrictions on individuals. In fact, that pretty much is the reality, and it's a big problem. Huge entertainment companies will not do business with individuals. If you're not an entity on the scale of Ford or Yahoo, you are a non-being. Hence control over culture is out of reach for most people. You have to have some giant corporation sponsor you if you want a voice. Restricting the ability of third parties to reuse your work in ways you object to (or want to be paid for) is mainly an issue of whether you can enforce your will out of court using common sense and technology. One way you could enforce your will using technology is rewrite rules. Another way is DRM. Another way is to create content which is intrinsically hard to copy, like a web application. Another is to work on content which goes stale very fast, like a news ticker. There are plenty of others as long as you're able to take the initiative. There are many people here who feel that you shouldn't have to exert yourself. But that's childish, and in in the end it ensures that only big corporations can participate in culture. over and out, Lucas p.s. That's it for me. This was not fun and I won't do it again.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general
On 1/27/07, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even accepting reality for what it is, however, there are many good reasons to continue to push for our rights as creators to be sacrosanct. The problem is that videobloggers are going down the same hopelessly unrealistic and ultimately disastrous path as the record labels and movie companies. What's driving you is the same misplaced sense of victimization and and righteous anger. Creators don't have sacrosanct rights in the US (except with regard to attribution). That's not just a little wrong, it's wrong in a way which is important. If creators were to be granted sacrosanct rights it would be a massive expansion of copyright at the expense of the public. And not just at the expense of the public, but also at the expense of creators. The 500,000 YouTubers who you want to prevent from mashing up your video have just as much right to make art as you do. If what's at stake is the loss of 500,000 artworks, why does your work trump theirs?
[videoblogging] how to make a mashup with a youtube video
Hey folks, I have this idea to make a mashup with this YouTube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=901D-ZyP9Nk My idea is to play along on guitar, shoot video of myself playing along, and then make a composite video with the original next to the new thing. The camera would be the little iSight on my Mac. Available software is the iLife tools and Soundtrack Pro. The tough part is that I am a total dip when it comes to video. Any ideas about how I could make all that come together, given that the YouTube stuff is in Flash and probably doesn't even expose the FLV? -Lucas
Re: [videoblogging] how to make a mashup with a youtube video
Hey Markus -- On 1/26/07, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi lucas there are firefox plugins that will grab the flv easily https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2390/ i just tried using iSquint Ok, so let's say I get the FLV. I think that I'd need to convert it to Quicktime to be able to combine my new video with it -- have you ever seen a free tool for converting FLV to QT? -L
Re: [videoblogging] how to make a mashup with a youtube video
On 1/26/07, Philip Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are two websites that come in handy if you want to mashup videos from YouTube ~ [snip] On 1/26/07, John Cardenas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: or just simply...after you have watched the video in youtube...right click the internet icon...choose properties...then in browsing history -click- settings...then...choose view files---it will show your temporary internet filesFLV needs to be stored to be played... Cool! I am once again amazed at the collective intelligence of the group. Thank you. -Lucas
Re: [videoblogging] mefeedia news
Wow! That's a fascinating decision, Peter. Much respect to you -- it's typical of your understated and serious way of doing things. -Lucas
Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com Disregarding Vlogger CC Licenses
On 1/4/07, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Referer header is unreliable. Faking the Referer header *would* be a cause worth litigating, but they're not doing that.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com Disregarding Vlogger CC Licenses
On 1/4/07, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's correct. The problem is that we do want to be picky. We want to allow people to use VPIP to play back videos hosted on blip, but we don't want to allow them to use the MyHeavy player on MyHeavy.com (unless it's the content creator themselves making that decision, in which case it's OK). Make sense? The issue here is that it's always case-by-case, and I challenge you to create rewrite rules that don't include a narrow whitelisting of things like VPIP (which don't have usable user-agent reporting anyway). This is a case for Brainstorming. For example, what's wrong with a tool which allows each user to define a whitelist and blacklist? If that were doable it would be a wonderful competitive advantage for Blip. If I worked there I would propose that Blip be the first video hosting provider to allow users to define their own rewrite rules via a web-based UI.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com Disregarding Vlogger CC Licenses
On 1/4/07, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to mention that Referer and User Agent headers are arbitrary and it would be less than trivial for a myheavy.com site to identify itself as blip.tv or vPIP respectively. If it wanted to. But then it would be doing fraud or misrepresentation, which are already accounted for in existing frameworks.
Re: [videoblogging] www.jeroenwijering.com
On 1/3/07, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe someone linked to your feed in the forums for testing xspf/rss playlists. For what it's worth, I object to the phrase xspf/rss playlists. RSS is a feed, XSPF is a playlist. They have different strengths, weaknesses, architectures, and, most of all, purposes. Jeroen made up this wording to describe the functionality of his player and it seems to have stuck, despite the fact that it creates confusion. -Lucas
Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com Disregarding Vlogger CC Licenses
On 1/3/07, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been thinking about redirecting all requests for blip videos from myheavy to a video about blip. If the problem isn't fixed tomorrow we will do just that. My impression from Ryanne's comment that they're superimposing their logo is that they're copying rather than linking. OTOH, if they really are linking rather than copying, then this is an opportunity to show why linking is preferable to copying -- you would only have the power to do that redirect if they linked rather than copied. By linking to your videos they preserve your power to control them in their new context. But then the question I would ask is: why does the group freak out twice a week over this topic? It is needless hyperventilation. Just insist that third party republishers link rather than copy, then use Referer headers to serve custom content according to the context. If you really hate MyHeavy, show their users a video about why they suck. If you really can only afford bandwidth for users browsing HTML on your site, block all video requests from outside of your site. This approach is easier and radically more effective than having a cow.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com Disregarding Vlogger CC Licenses
On 1/3/07, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i sent a message from their site contact form and selected business inquiry as the category got a quick reply back (surprise!) as usual, they expect me to identify the vids i asked them to remove any vid that was in their database and on my site or pay $250/video :) Are you saying that DMCA-based takedown requests are not enough power for you, Markus? I am surprised to hear that, because I am certain that you think they are too much power in the hands of the copyright extremists, and I don't think you'd want to grant new powers to the extremists.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com Disregarding Vlogger CC Licenses
Their service is a Flash app which plays an arbitrary FLV file on any server. For example I can patch this URL of theirs for viewing Steve Garfield stuff on blip: http://www.myheavy.com/video.php?video_url=http%3A//blip.tv/file/get/Stevegarfield-BehindTheScenesJohnEdwardsYouTubeAndTheCampaignWebsite426.flvvideo_title=Behind%20the%20Scenes%3A...video_desc=video_author_name=Blip%20TVvideo_author_url=http%3A//blip.tvvideo_thumb_url=http%3A//blip.tv/uploadedFiles/Stevegarfield-BehindTheScenesJohnEdwardsYouTubeAndTheCampaignWebsite586.jpg To use this third party FLV instead: http://www.mediacollege.com/video-gallery/testclips/barsandtone.flv Giving this completely functional URL: http://www.myheavy.com/video.php?video_url=http://www.mediacollege.com/video-gallery/testclips/barsandtone.flvvideo_title=Behind%20the%20Scenes%3A...video_desc=video_author_name=Blip%20TVvideo_author_url=http%3A//blip.tvvideo_thumb_url=http%3A//blip.tv/uploadedFiles/Stevegarfield-BehindTheScenesJohnEdwardsYouTubeAndTheCampaignWebsite586.jpg To make this problem go away 100% blip.tv just needs to do a rewrite rule to block myheavy.com. This will do the job without a crazy lynch mob asking to extend the DMCA to be even more onerous and, given the blip guys' chops, will take less than ten minutes. The sky is not falling. Really.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com Disregarding Vlogger CC Licenses
On 1/3/07, J. Rhett Aultman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah? That's not going to help me. They scraped me from Google Video. Then ask Google Video to do the same, and don't use them if that is something you need.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com Disregarding Vlogger CC Licenses
On 1/3/07, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im using this great article from wethemedia during the Veoh incident: http://wearethemedia.com/2006/04/08/whats-going-on-with-veoh/ There is, incidentally, a protocol for Web-based aggregation of video content. Here are two other protocols for web-based aggregation of video content: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2396.txt http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2616.txt Here is an explanation of that protocol at a hight level: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/deeplinking.html Here is a quote from that explanation: This issue is important because attempts to limit deep linking are in fact risky for two reasons: 1. The policy is at risk of failure. The Web is so large that any policy enforcement requires considerable automated support from software to be practical. Since a deep link looks like any other link to Web software, such automated support is not practical. 2. The Web is at the risk of damage. The hypertext architecture of the Web has brought substantial benefits to the world at large. The onset of legislation and litigation based on confusion between identification and access has the potential to impair the future development of the Web.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com Disregarding Vlogger CC Licenses
This is a link being fetched on the client side, not a copy on the server side, so it's not a copyright issue. Iff someone has a problem with something that they can easily fix, they should do the fix. Anything else is willful. What you want video aggregators to do will break the web. The web has a mechanism for doing what you want to do, which is the Referer header. If you use the existing mechanisms, you can achieve what you want and preserve the web at the same time. The alternative course that you are pursuing will not work and will destroy the web. Using Referer headers will work and will preserve the web. -Lucas On 1/3/07, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If someone breaks a copyright whether individual or corporation and seeks to profit by it, then it is the right for the copyright holder to charge a value they want for their work. It is also a right to demand this not happen. Or to put on notice for a suit. The person whose material is being violated should not be considered guilty. -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Lucas Gonze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Their service is a Flash app which plays an arbitrary FLV file on any server. For example I can patch this URL of theirs for viewing Steve Garfield stuff on blip: http://www.myheavy.com/video.php?video_url=http%3A//blip.tv/file/get/Stevegarfield-BehindTheScenesJohnEdwardsYouTubeAndTheCampaignWebsite426.flvvideo_title=Behind%20the%20Scenes%3A...video_desc=video_author_name=Blip%20TVvideo_author_url=http%3A//blip.tvvideo_thumb_url=http%3A//blip.tv/uploadedFiles/Stevegarfield-BehindTheScenesJohnEdwardsYouTubeAndTheCampaignWebsite586.jpg To use this third party FLV instead: http://www.mediacollege.com/video-gallery/testclips/barsandtone.flv Giving this completely functional URL: http://www.myheavy.com/video.php?video_url=http://www.mediacollege.com/video-gallery/testclips/barsandtone.flvvideo_title=Behind%20the%20Scenes%3A...video_desc=video_author_name=Blip%20TVvideo_author_url=http%3A//blip.tvvideo_thumb_url=http%3A//blip.tv/uploadedFiles/Stevegarfield-BehindTheScenesJohnEdwardsYouTubeAndTheCampaignWebsite586.jpg To make this problem go away 100% blip.tv just needs to do a rewrite rule to block myheavy.com. This will do the job without a crazy lynch mob asking to extend the DMCA to be even more onerous and, given the blip guys' chops, will take less than ten minutes. The sky is not falling. Really. Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com Disregarding Vlogger CC Licenses
On 1/3/07, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Lucas Gonze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a link being fetched on the client side, not a copy on the server side, so it's not a copyright issue. The videos MyHeavy.com transcoded from blip.tv on their site to Flash with ads is on it is on their server. I don't see what you're saying about the client side Lucas? My experiment with modifying the URL (see previous message) suggested that they were not transcoding or doing any other sort of re-hosting. If they were re-hosting then I would advocate that you kick their asses with extreme force, because that would take away your power to control usage by creating rewrite rules. -Lucas
Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com Disregarding Vlogger CC Licenses
On 1/3/07, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not sure i get you lucas. i asked them to license or take down seems like a reasonable request to me no DMCA needed yet i just sent a polite request we'll see what they do somehow i doubt they will want to license my vids for commercial use :) i'm just hoping that they will realize their error and pull the vids Hey Markus, You refused to identify the vids, asking them to figure out for you what those were. If you identified them then you would be within the abilities granted per DMCA notice-and-takedown, but otherwise you go beyond. If they put a staffer on the job of divining what URLs are involved, they are opening the door to a new obligation. For example, imagine that Google gets: (a) a demand to not link to http://example.com/foo.mp3, which is an unauthorized host of a Foo Fighters recording. (b) a demand to not link to any infringing Foo Fighters recordings. If (b) is the law of the land, the scope of the DMCA will have been massively expanded. -Lucas On 1/3/07, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i sent a message from their site contact form and selected business inquiry as the category got a quick reply back (surprise!) as usual, they expect me to identify the vids i asked them to remove any vid that was in their database and on my site or pay $250/video :)
Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com Disregarding Vlogger CC Licenses
On 1/3/07, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Lucas Gonze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a link being fetched on the client side, not a copy on the server side, so it's not a copyright issue. I see what you mean. They're pulling to the FLV file from blip.tv and supimposing in flash they're own material on top. Regardless of the method, the presentation and action is breaking the CC non-commercial license. They are presenting through their flash player a video that they are not licensed to present. Their flash player is displaying frames of video without the rights to do that. Media (bytes) that they don't have a right to is being pulled through their player which resides on the client side. Firefox is licensed to present any material. Neither is Internet Explorer. The player doesn't need rights here. And even if it did, so what? You have zero chance of controlling the behavior of all the third parties who can author an FLV player in Flash, while you definitely have the ability to force them to respect your wishes using Referer headers. It's like spam filtering. You could insist that spammers stop if you yell STOP loud enough, and you could even put your theory into practice by yelling until you ran out of breath, but you wouldn't achieve anything. Installing a spam filter would be a better idea.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com Disregarding Vlogger CC Licenses
On 1/3/07, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, yes they are references my flv video on blip.tv. But do they have a right to play the media through their flash player when the copyright prohibits commercial performance of it? Internet Explorer is clearly commercial. Does it have a right to render your video?
Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com Disregarding Vlogger CC Licenses
On 1/3/07, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A custom flash player written by online video company MyHeavy.com that overlays their logo, display ads on top prior to rolling and such is clearly different to any observer and the consumer from a browser. Not to the web it isn't. Flash is just another user agent. We may expect clients to look like browsers, but that's just a misperception. And even if it did, so what? You have zero chance of controlling the behavior of all the third parties who can author an FLV player in Flash, while you definitely have the ability to force them to respect your wishes using Referer headers. That puts the responsibility on the content creator to continually hunt down infringers and put them on notice. There's no incentive to stop future infringement. It puts the responsibility on the content host, yes, but that only has to be done once. (Unless you want to be picky about which third parties can link to you, of course, but even then it's a lot faster and more effective to have a rule for each blocked linker than to try to get them to rewrite their site for you. ) I'm not sure if you buy my point about there being no infringement because there is not a copy? I had the impression that you agreed -- not so? It's like spam filtering. You could insist that spammers stop if you yell STOP loud enough, and you could even put your theory into practice by yelling until you ran out of breath, but you wouldn't achieve anything. Installing a spam filter would be a better idea. MyHeavy (and Veoh before them) are not spammers. They don't move to a new server, zombie a computer and such to continue their work. They are companies or individuals that will act professionaly if incentivized. The instant you convince Veoh, here comes MyHeavy and hundreds of others. The best evidence that this is so is that this whole thing is a permathread among the videobloggers. You could work it out with each of them, which has been a total failure so far, or you could just fix the problem.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com Disregarding Vlogger CC Licenses
Right. Which means you concede that it makes no difference whether their Flash FLV player is commercial. On 1/3/07, rudy.jahchan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is a retarded question. Possibly the stupidest I have heard. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Lucas Gonze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/3/07, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, yes they are references my flv video on blip.tv. But do they have a right to play the media through their flash player when the copyright prohibits commercial performance of it? Internet Explorer is clearly commercial. Does it have a right to render your video? Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com Disregarding Vlogger CC Licenses
On 1/3/07, rudy.jahchan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its not the linking or the copying that is the issue, Lucas. It is the fact that they are really profitting from it, and without any consultation on our parts. You can address that with a rewrite rule. Just use copyright to force third parties to link rather than copy, then create rewrite rules to enforce whatever policy you want. Your stance on this issue is not valid in anyway. I haven't taken a stance on that issue, only on the best way to implement any old stance. I have a stance, but it was never relevant. What matters to me is to live in a world where the maximum number of different stances can be implemented. Ok, L8r y'all. -Lucas
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vlog with html links?
On 5/11/06, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: more ... unfortunately, upon testing with win2k/ie6, the object's onclick did *not* fire microsoft's doc says it should handle the onclick with object and so i wonder if the flash movie is consuming the event in this caseInteresting! It is is the flash movie, then a WMP embed/object should let the onclick pass through. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vlog with html links?
On 5/12/06, Lucas Gonze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting! It is is the flash movie, then a WMP embed/object should let the onclick pass through. I tried this out in both IE 6 and FF, but no luck: object classid=""> id=EXAMPLE_OBJECT_ID height=286 width=320 > captured in object element'); param name=URL value=http://www.nychebrewschool.org/singingrabbi.wmv/ param name=autoStart value=-1 / embed type=application/x-mplayer2 name=MediaPlayer1 pluginspage=http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/MediaPlayer/ showcontrols=true showtracker=true src="" href="http://www.nychebrewschool.org/singingrabbi.wmv">http://www.nychebrewschool.org/singingrabbi.wmv height=286 width=320 captured in embed element');/embed /object YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vlog with html links?
So, not to wander or digress or anything, I swear, but what's the chance an onclick on an html object/embed element will work? SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Fwd: [vlc] [release] VLC media player 0.8.5
Note XSPF support, meaning that a lot more can be done with video playlists. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Fwd: [vlc] [release] VLC media player 0.8.5
On 5/8/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking we'd have to wait for SMIL support (for video playlist support)... but XSPF is a much quicker route. (And probably easier for more people to understand.) Another thing for video playlist support is http://blitz-xplore.blogspot.com/2006/05/xspf-mp3flv-player-is-at-httpwww_08.html That code is a patch on the classic XSPF Flash player at musicplayer.sourceforge.net, which normally only plays MP3, to also support .swf and .flv. I haven't tested that yet, and I'm a tad doubtful, but if it works it'll be a fine way to go for some videos. N.B.: still no support for clipping! Kent Bye and I chatted about it a bit, and he commented online here -- http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=25872768postID=114665000507384191 The only way to do that is to use HTTP byte ranges, and I think that will take some major Flash wizardry... If anybody knows better or has a better idea, speak up. :)-Lucasp.s. Videoblogged my hairy back the other day, stopped short of posting it on the web. Count yourself lucky. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] rel=no_enclosure + CC License clause for re-hosting controls (was: Is it Fair Use to link directly to a vlog's video?)
On 4/10/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, should their be an opposing rel=no_enclosure so services like feedburner and blog engines etc can easily skip that media excluding it from the RSS channel? In my own scraper, if I find any rel=enclosure then I assume that all enclosures will have a rel=enclosure attribute. I assume that feedburner does the same, since this is a pretty intuitive way to do things. The way to be sure that some media will not be pre-fetched, then, is just to have at least one rel=enclosure on some other item. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Fwd: thanks for Apple Store class
Kudos go to Marcus Sandy and Zadi Diaz.On 4/10/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Chuck Silverman [EMAIL PROTECTED]just a quick thank you to you and your two friends at the Grove Apple Store. I don't the names of the two who did most of the explaining. when you talk with them , please tell them thanks! YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Dabble for net video
On 2/11/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quotes are nice (i certainly like media in smaller chunks), but actually making the quotes requires a high level of investment for the user The situation where it's too much work for the average user to do something is a pretty common pattern in net software. There is sometimes a workaround: design your application to magnify the impact of the few people who do do the work. CDDB is an example of that workaround. Most people didn't type in song titles, but the few who did had a huge impact. In this case that might mean spotlighting any quote that somebody did bother to make, and make it easy to copy and reblog. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] LA meetup?
Given that I just moved to the fine city of Los Angeles, I'm wondering about local events for audio/video hackers. Anybody know of such a meetup? If not, anybody interested in an evening at Barney's Beanery? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Godaddy question
I use Godaddy for domains but not for hosting. I use them for domains because they're not jerks and the prices and features are fine. I've had them for a couple years now, and my long term experience has been good. For hosting something about them doesn't turn me on, though that's just a vibe thing. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] whats wrong with my vodcast???
You can check it using http://www.smoothouse.com/podcast/validator.php or http://feedvalidator.org On 12/29/05, Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I made it to iTunes specs but it doesn't work. Here is the code: ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? rss xmlns:itunes=http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd; version=2.0 channel ttl60/ttl titleHigh Mountain Exotic Adventures/title linkhttp://www.highmountainexotics.com/link languageen-us/language copyright2005 Capture Productions/copyright itunes:subtitleYour source for exotic hunting adventures/itunes:subtitle itunes:authorJ. Bryan Dill/itunes:author itunes:summaryHigh Mountain Exotics is a guide service based out of Alabama. Along with excellent hunting and fishing guided tours we have a top notch video production crew to capture all the action. These episodes are all part of a series that will air sometime in the future on broadcast television./itunes:summary itunes:owner itunes:nameHigh Mountain Exotics/itunes:name itunes:email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/itunes:email /itunes:owner itunes:image href=http://www.captureproductions.net/bryan_vcast/HME.jpg; / itunes:category text=Sports /itunes:category item titleOl Sage Lodge/title itunes:authorCapture Productions/itunes:author itunes:subtitleThe vodcast for the hunting/fishing enthusiasts. Subscribe today and experience the adventure/itunes:subtitle itunes:summaryIn this episode Ken Reed takes a look at the Ol Sage Lodge in Alabama and all the emenities included. Ken also goes in search of one of those Alabama tuskers, or better known as 'el grande la porko'/ itunes:summary enclosure url=http://www.captureproductions.net/bryan_vcast/olsage.mov; length=51 type=video/mp4 / guidhttp://www.captureproductions.net/bryan_vcast/olsage.mov/guid pubDateWed, 28 Dec 2005 4:15:00 GMT/pubDate itunes:explicitno/itunes:explicit itunes:duration01:38/itunes:duration itunes:keywordshunting hog alabama tennessee guide tour /itunes:keywords /item item titleBig Pig Hunt/title itunes:authorCapture Productions/itunes:author itunes:subtitleThe vodcast for the hunting/fishing enthusiasts. Subscribe today and experience the adventure/itunes:subtitle itunes:summaryIn this episode Ken Reed takes Rodney Parker out in search of that 'el grande la porko' and what they find is more than Rodney was anticipating./itunes:summary enclosure url=http://www.captureproductions.net/bryan_vcast/blackhoghunt.m4v; length=000531 type=video/m4v / guidhttp://www.captureproductions.net/bryan_vcast/blackhoghunt.m4v/guid pubDateWed, 28 Dec 2005 4:15:00 GMT/pubDate itunes:explicitno/itunes:explicit itunes:duration05:31/itunes:duration itunes:keywordshunting hog alabama tennessee guide tour /itunes:keywords /item /channel /rss Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] re: Free video isn't stealing
I summarized this conversation and contacted Carr for a comment: http://gonze.com/weblog/story/12-20-5 His response: wrote imprecisely and you are right to call me on it. I should have clearly stated that there is abundant free programming to be had -- much of it glorious -- but that if I ripped Lost or other network programming, that would be a kind of theft. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Adam Curry Edis Wikipedia Anonom
On 12/2/05, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont know if anyone has been following this story, but now it's a top ranked story on Technorati search: http://www.cadenhead.org/workbench/news/2818 This is an entry in Dave Winer's project to be considered the creator of audioblogging, with Rogers Cadenhead being a proxy as usual. It is pure politics. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] WARNING: Firefox 1.5 does not to scroll QT
On 12/1/05, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yup, I just experienced this on this web site: http://www.bravia-advert.com/commercial/braviaextcommhigh.html That page works for me with FF 1.5 and QT 7.3.Are you using the same version of Quicktime? SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: WARNING: Firefox 1.5 does not to scroll QT
Software conflicts of this kind are inevitable from time to time. What isn't inevitable is that there should only be one piece of software (Quicktime) capable of rendering your videoblog. The workaround for now is to post vlogs in more than one format, which is a good idea anyway. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/.QUssC/izNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: my video got taken off archive
There are three issues -- That Peaches number is definitely unauthorized. The sexual content is going to piss some people off. Barbie is a fiercely protected trademark. The Peaches issue is a good enough reason to bounce it, add in the other two issues and it's an obvious choice. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/I258zB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] free FTP client for Windows XP?
On 11/28/05, jonny goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking for a free FTP program for Win XP for my students to upload their vids to a server. Thanks for any help! Filezilla is great: http://filezilla.sourceforge.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] The latest update on improvements at ourmedia.org
On 11/26/05, chrlshogan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blogdigger came to the rescue with a site search that we're still optimizing to ensure that all the content on Ourmedia is properly indexed. We're still working on that with the Blogdigger team, as well as planning to roll out enhanced search features to let anyone search by media type, license and more Webjay search also uses Blogdigger, and I also had a good experience with them. Recommended. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Spirit can not be spoken for
On 11/26/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On mefeedia directory, for several months you see the same vlogs first and that is not likely to change since, afterall, they always appear first which increases exposure every time. I spent almost a year beating this problem in the Webjay popular listing. It is hard but doable. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Spirit can not be spoken for
On 11/26/05, Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are wrong!!! See my next post about hidden diamonds. Did you see them before?? NO!!! All my work over the past few years has been under the same assumptions as Deirdre has, and so far this has gone fine. The only problem I face is people who believe that direct linking is bad. - Original Message - From: Deirdre Straughan That's already happening via the search engines, as well as specialized directories. The most popular (linked to) will rise to the top via the various search engine algorithms, while directories will have their own ratings etc. systems. It'll be exactly the same chaos we have with every other kind of web object. Your trusted guides may not be my trusted guides, etc. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: War On Text
On 11/23/05, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think we may be comparing apples and oranges it's not really the video vs. text the distinction if really between the 'visual' and the 'abstract'. how the information is delivered does not seem change that There's some word from linguistics to express this... Also, probably plenty of interesting reading on related abstractions. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: War On Text
On 11/23/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not what you're thinking of since it's not linguistics, but semiotics talk about three types of signs: icon, index and symbol. Written language belonging to the last group (arbitrary signs given value by convention). Any idea where video is in there, Andreas? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] War On Text
On 11/21/05, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then there is the role of text in this affair. I think that after nearly a year of farting around and not achieving anything, I might finally decide what project to dedicate myself to, and that will be more video-based communication systems. Ive waffled about video forums before, and I know someone else has been working on this stuff, and there are some existing options, and factors such as me finding it easier to type these long messages than say them to a camera. But I still want a War on Text, and threaded video conversations etc. I love the idea of a War On Text. Audio and video are a more natural medium than text for most humans. The only reason why net content is mainly text is that it's easier for programs to work with -- audio and video are opaque as far as programs are concerned. On top of that, it's a lot easier to treat text as hypertext, and hypertext has a viral quality. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] War On Text
On 11/22/05, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i keep thinking of my (unborn)kids who will go online and SEE and HEAR the world through their computers. Its a real sharing of consciousness. Seeing and hearing is a lot closer to the way we think about things. It's easier to absorb what somebody is saying if you can see their face and hands and body language. I mean, there has never yet been a text blog post where the person didn't talk at all, yet people communicate without talking in the real world all the time. I'll be sad when that happens. I love writing and the way that the internet has gotten me to write all the time. I remember when the internet first blew up that I was exercising my writing muscles more than I ever had, but that's not going to be the case when things are mainly seeing and hearing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] War On Text
On 11/22/05, daniel liss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a brief response: http://pouringdown.blogspot.com/2005/11/war-on-text-brief-response.html If anybody does more vlogs, audioblogs, photoblogs, doodleblogs, etc on this send me a pointer and I'll include it at http://gonze.com/weblog/story/warontext Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] ANDREW MICHAEL BARON in Tokepa next week!
On 11/16/05, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you see Ronen's new videoblog? http://cinemalog.net/tags/video/cinemalog/ he does a good job embedding the videos in the page. i usually dont like it. Amen. That's a really nice job. I'm surprised that I like it so much -- the normal approach of having the embed turn into a video when you click on a still is so ubiquitous that I never thought there would be an alternative. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] java viewer?!
On 11/8/05, Michael Shipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flash gets mentioned because the penetration rate is somewhere around 97% of all web browsers. Most likely, any web-based aggregators will go with Flash for video. On the other hand, Java's penatration rate within browsers is unknown and probably inconsistent in terms of versioning. There's one Java aggregator that I've found that does a decent job, even though it's beta, called I/ON: I/ON looked quite cool when I saw it demo'd. In the most recent Macromedia stats that I've seen (a few months old) they listed Flash at 97% and Java around 80%. Quicktime was around 60-70%. To adjust for the difference between any install at all and one that's in working condition I would knock 20% off. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] What do you guys think about Blogtelevision.net
On 11/4/05, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If a site relies on traffic to it's pages for revenue, then this could be shown to be criminal. They also have it backwards. We should not have to opt out of their aggregation, but rather opt in to it. I don't like it either. Their opt-out page seems broken. If aggregators, search engines, etc rely on opt-in, there will be no aggregation, searching, etc, and in the end no videoblogging. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] What do you guys think about Blogtelevision.net
On 11/4/05, Lynn Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I notice that blogtelevision.net is taking all of the videos that I put up and placing them on their site. Are you under the impression that they're making copies, Lynn? These guys are about the same as the old i638 (or whatever they were) people, meaning unappetizing operators hanging around right smack on an ethical line, where they naturally dip over onto the wrong side. Given that they aren't doing much that a more ethical crew wouldn't also do, can you be precise about what the problem is, so that other videoblog aggregators can avoid making you feel badly treated? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: One Click buttons
On 10/30/05, petertheman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Lucas! But if I don't use that application/xml+rss, it doesn't work. Curious and curiouser. It works for me with application/octets as long as the extension is .pcast. WTF? Note that if application/xml+rss is the content type for this new metafile format that Apple pulled out of the air, then that's pretty insane because (1) this new metafile format is not RSS by any stretch and (2) the existing one-click spec already uses that content type, so Apple didn't just blow it off, it directly conflicted with it. Apple needs to get its house in order on this. here's what happens in Win Xp with Firefox: application/xml+rss: ok, iTunes opens up. application/xml: FF shows XML file no special header: FF shows it as an html page. What should I do? Peter --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Lucas Gonze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/26/05, petertheman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess this is the right time to point out that Mefeedia will generate the pcast file for you: http://mefeedia.com/help/javascript/itunes.php?id=1118 Bug report for the windows version: It returns application/rss+xml for the MIME type, which is used for one-click subscribe of the kind voted on by the ipodder-dev list, and which is actual RSS rather than those new itunes pcast files. All you need to flag for iTunes is a .pcast extension, I think. - Lucas Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: One Click buttons
Anybody feel like helping me in a doomed crusade to bring these issues to Apple's attention? Details at: http://gonze.com/weblog/story/it1c With followup on MIME type: http://gonze.com/weblog/story/it1c On 10/30/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:16:15 +0100, Lucas Gonze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/30/05, petertheman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Lucas! But if I don't use that application/xml+rss, it doesn't work. Curious and curiouser. It works for me with application/octets as long as the extension is .pcast. WTF? IANAAD (I am not an application developer), but I'm guessing that the MIME type doesn't matter as long as it's one that the browser hands off to Windows instead of handling it itself. But I do agree that application/rss+xml would be a pretty silly thing to use. If application/octets work, I'd use that. - Andreas -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: One Click buttons
On 10/30/05, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clarification... not sure what the mime-type is supposed to be for .pcast files. But, for RSS, its as stated below. -Josh On 10/30/05, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need to use application/rss+xml not application/xml+rss -Josh If you HEAD Peter's .pcast, you'll see application/rss+xml. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: One Click buttons
On 10/26/05, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just wondered if the problem was just me ... because if its not just me, other folks who have a one-click button on their site may be using a system that doesnt work for lots of people. Apple blew off the one-click spec for RSS w/ enclosures, which is why the system is so broken. The todo item is to beat them up, things will stay busted until then. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] flash video formats
Question for video gurus -- is there any way to get video into Flash without packaging it up as either a FLV file or embedding it within an SWF file? What I'm wondering is whether it's possible to have Flash launch a movie in some other, more generic/ open format. thanks in advance. - Lucas Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] flash video formats
On 10/24/05, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's documentation from Macromedia... you may have already seen this: http://www.macromedia.com/support/flash/images_video/flash_video/ http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=tn_14041 Question: what's the difference between wrapper format and compression algorithm? The magic incantation for Flash is 'sorensen spark codec': http://livedocs.macromedia.com/flash/mx2004/main_7_2/wwhelp/wwhimpl/common/html/wwhelp.htm?context=Flash_MX_2004file=0340.html Documentation here suggests that Quicktime supports that codec: http://www.sorensonstore.com/faq.php However I think this leaves the issue of wrapper format completely unspecified, meaning that MP4 is unsupported. Like Mike says, it's FLV or nothing. Ok, now I'm finally up to speed on this. Sorry to be so far behind the general curve... -L Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] WordPress Auto-enclosures fix
Are there still podcatchers which don't handle redirects? That seems insane. On 10/18/05, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI, for those of you who use wordpress and want to use it's automatic enclosure feature, but have found you cannot because your hosting service issues a redirect to the media file (most of them do this I believe), I've tweaked the code a bit to work with redirects. http://www.davidmeade.com/post/post.php?topicID=579 The end location server of the media file needs to have it's mime types set up correctly, but other than that, this tweak has been working for me. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Archive.org, Fair Use Doctrine
On 10/8/05, B Yen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Suppose I use archive.org to upload a digitzed video of something off a major network. Is this allowable under Fair Use Doctrine? There isn't enough information here to say yes or no. As a general rule, being kind to archive.org by not getting them dragged into court (whether they win or lose) is probably good. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] RSS Video Enclosure Playlists (was Lean Back Vids)
On 10/7/05, Justin Chapweske [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any advantage between ASX and WPL? I noticed that WPL seems to be a SMIL format... They're really different, not necessarily better or worse. WPL is parseable XML. ASX has a bunch of peculiarities which will defeat XML parsers. ASX is a control language for WMP, and it has a bunch of features to do things like change the banner, send callbacks to a server when an item is rendered, and prevent the user from fast forwarding through ads. I haven't explored the limits of WPL as a SMIL dialect, so I can't say how much of the SMIL spec is supported, though my guess is not much. Because of that ASX is probably a more powerful tool. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] RSS Video Enclosure Playlists (was Lean Back Vids)
On 10/7/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we just need a XSPF video player!! :-) maybe videolan+xspf The videolan people are on the ball, and with XSPF a sister project to ogg I think they'll be predisposed to do it. If you or somebody happened to file a feature request with them and then reported the URL of the request back here, I wouldn't be surprised if we could muster the votes to get this rolling. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] RSS Video Enclosure Playlists (was Lean Back Vids)
On 10/5/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah, i could do that very easily... but are you saying their is now a xspf video player?? Yahoo Media Engine and Winamp with the Plext XSPF plugin will both do video. Also, we can easily transform XSPF into proprietary formats like Quicktime SMIL, Real SMIL and ASX. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] RSS Video Enclosure Playlists (was Lean Back Vids)
On 10/6/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what up, Lucas. yo gangsta. I cant find the winamp plugin. got a link? Cleverly hidden: http://plext.blogspot.com/ Packaging and chrome could use a wee bit of modernization but the code works great. the yahoo thing... i might download it. they dont seem to be making any mention of video... Video capabilities cleverly hidden, again, I assume because people don't really have videoblogs on the brain just yet. i thought by now there would at least be an flv xspf player. Huh! Never thought of that. I'll bet that Fabricio could hook that into musicplayer.sourceforge.net, since his player is Flash. You might want to post a request in the forums. i'd love a QT xspf plugin or something too. No luck on that just yet. :( You have to do a manual conversion of XSPF to QT. The good news is that's really easy to do. l8r. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] LINK INSIDE OF YOUR VIDEO???
On 10/3/05, Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in QT you can: 1. add a href parameter to the embed tag inside embed just include href=url of video or page target=myself (to load video in same location - if targetting a page target=_blank, target=quicktimeplayer loads what href points to in quicktime player. Does this work in an object tag, Adrian? ... Another method for doing this is with SMIL. I think I've tested this in Quicktime SMIL, though it was a long time ago so I don't remember the syntax. 2. there are several software tools that will add this into the mov file itself (livestate, ezedia QTi, there used to some freeware things too) 3. if you want multiple links (parts of the image, and/or time based) then you need to use something like livestage, or ezedia QTi. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] quicktime in itunes
Has anybody pushed the limits of Quicktime files in iTunes? I know that simple movies will open, but I'm wondering how much scripting is likely to work. Thanks in advance. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Free (really) Music + Hi
One thing -- Epitonic is not necessarily podsafe. They work out deals with labels on a one-to-one basis where epitonic.com is the only host permitted. It's very likely that a label which does a deal with Epitonic is happy to have a similar deal with vloggers, but that's the extent of it, so you really should ask each time. - Lucas YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] PHP hackers?
Can you point me to the enclosure code, Pete? It's pretty straightforward to implement recursion as long as the PHP architecture is reentrant. You're a Wordpress demon, right? If you're hesitant to do it yourself, that's a flag that it's not so easy... On 8/1/05, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there any PHP hackers here that might be able to fix WordPress to properly deal with enclosures stored via Ourmedia? See this msg: http://comox.textdrive.com/pipermail/wp-hackers/2005-July/002190.html Right now I use WordPress, a custom cgi to redirect to my videos, and Ourmedia/Internet Archive for uploading and storage. What this means in layman's terms is that for me, adding a video as an enclosure to WordPress is a royal PITA... :( Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: 150 - Group Tipping Point?
I love this list just as it is. The flames and chaos just contribute to the cookin' flavor, and the theory, art, and socializing make for an incredibly creative community. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] 150 - Group Tipping Point?
On 7/22/05, Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And a possible 8th: Vlogger-reviews: People post commentary about the vlogs they're watching, or reviews of vlogs, just as long as it doesn't become a critique group or a recurring OMG, Verdi is teh bestest!!! (i.e., re-reviewing the same vlogs over and over and over) I'd love to see that group happen. One of the big things I use this group for is to find new stuff, but the deluge of messages makes that less likely. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] [reviews] dr-phil-can-you-please-help
On 7/22/05, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if nothing else what a great video Mel made that resulted from all the commotion ... I strongly recommend it, if you haven't seen it ... it's a classic ... http://melslife.org/archives/2005/07/20/dr-phil-can-you-please-help/ .. this video, to me, demonstrates a great attitude and perspective - by emphasizing the humor it diffuses all the built up drama our minds create - the thing is, none of it's real, it's just our minds, it's just life, it's funny, and we (including me) have an unfortunate tendency to identify with the drama our mind creates, rather than just watching and appreciating it ... That's a really funny video. I like it. I had a subconscious reaction that the video validated my experience hanging around the mail list. It was that feeling you get when something you're involved in is covered on television, something on the order of now it's real. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] [reviews] Eric Rice on communication
On 7/22/05, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: good points Eric Rice has posted an interesting video related to this http://blog.ericrice.com/blog/_archives/2005/7/21/1060030.html i think he's also speaking to all of us quite clearly Watching this, I was conscious of how much Eric's voice and body language were carrying the information. The thing he says is one thing -- you have to take the trouble to read well -- but his voice and body language communicate something additional -- this is important to me. If you only read his words, you might take them as stuffy. What the voice and body language do is help to understand the spirit behind the words, which is something else completely. There's a recursiveness to that, because if I only read the words and didn't have the video I'd probably fail to get the point, and the point is that getting the point takes work sometimes. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] [reviews] Eric Rice on communication
On 7/22/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if you have energetic outgoing passionate Jonny O telling you of some off the wall rhetoric conspriacy theory bullshit he will be held up and feet kissed. Hm. Good point. Steve Garfield's stuff jumps out of the monitor in a way that a text blog doesn't, and now I realize it's because of his energetic body language. By the way, the world will end in 94 seconds. I know this is true because Steve said so. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
