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Yeah, the tobacco PSA's make me shudder with rage. How stupid they must think us, is what I think with most television advertising. Glad L'Oreal is compensating folks. Thanks for the info, Josh. Jan -- It isn't done alone. Pay more. http://fauxpress.blogspot.com - movement http://dagnyhemingway.blogspot.com - machinima http://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com - media http://blog.urbanartadventures.com - literature http://the-hold.blogspot.com - art http://homepage.mac.com/janmclaughlin/loveletter/iMovieTheater26.html - filmmaker - Original Message - From: Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction I haven't seen the BP commercials, so I can't comment on those, but I'm not sure that this sort of thing isn't actually worse than the PSAs from Phillip Morris. The Philip Morris PSAs are such an obvious our reputation is in the shitter, maybe this will help a bit. It comes across as trying to save face. L'Oreal on the other hand doesn't have a reputation for killing thousands of people each year with their products. This isn't about saving face, it's about a new form of promotion, and given that it is a cosmetics company, whose entire business is focused on making women feel as if they need lipstick and rouge to appear attractive, it seems a bit puzzling to link real work done by women with their products. Someone asked about compensation for this project, Current TV will pay $1000 for any V-Cam piece they use; they also offer other rates for use of the piece in other mediums by the advertiser. Josh On May 15, 2006, at 11:30 AM, Mike Hudack wrote: I like the BP environmental commercials. What's the worst there? That they're raising people's awareness of their personal impact on the environment? On 5/15/06, Anne Walk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's an interesting question. something i think about whenever i see a BP commercial for the environment. On 5/15/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it diminishes the redeeming qualities - it's like PSAs from Philip Morris. -Verdi On 5/15/06, Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hey everyone, Current TV is currently working with L'Oreal, a cosmetics company, to solicit videomakers to profile women whom they know who are women of worth. ( http://www.current.tv/studio/create/ vcam_loreal_wow.html) - I'm curious how the vidoblogging community feels about an ad campagin sponsored by a cosmetics company to profile women who are working to improve the world they live in? Obviously a series of PSA's giving these women credit for the work they are doing would be a good thing, but, is the fact that this thing is being underwritten by a cosmetics company and considered an advertisement by Current diminish the redeeming quality the project might otherwise have? What do you think? Josh We can bomb the world to pieces, but we can't bomb it into to peace. Power to the peaceful! Spearhead - Bomb the World Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links -- Author of the book Secrets Of Videoblogging Me -- http://michaelverdi.com Learn to videoblog -- http://freevlog.org I'm Going To Vloggercon, June 10 11 -- http://vloggercon.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walk http://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Don't hate the media, become the media.- Jello Biafra Yahoo! Groups Links YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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On Tue, 16 May 2006 13:50:09 +0200, Jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, the tobacco PSA's make me shudder with rage. How stupid they must think us, is what I think with most television advertising. Aren't those PSAs a result of a lawsuit? Ie. Phillip Morris was forced to make them as a part of some sort of settlement some years back? I am pretty sure, but my Google-Fu is weak and I can't find any references. -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Big tobacco was required by the suit to spend a lot of money but I'm not sure it was the PSA's they had to spend it on. Somehow, I don't think it was in fact outlined where they had to spend it, but simply that it had to be spent in the spirit of reducing smoking. I always thought the money would have been better spent providing smokers with nicotine patches and gum and classes...all free. That would have made sense. But no...they had to use old models, selfishly. Sigh. Jan -- http://fauxpress.blogspot.com - motion http://blog.urbanartadventures.com - sound http://the-hold.blogspot.com - poetry http://dagnyhemingway.blogspot.com - machinima http://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com - media On May 16, 2006, at 8:05 AM, Andreas Haugstrup wrote: On Tue, 16 May 2006 13:50:09 +0200, Jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, the tobacco PSA's make me shudder with rage. How stupid they must think us, is what I think with most television advertising. Aren't those PSAs a result of a lawsuit? Ie. Phillip Morris was forced to make them as a part of some sort of settlement some years back? I am pretty sure, but my Google-Fu is weak and I can't find any references. -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Links YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Yes they have to some PSAs about the dangers of smoking because of lawsuits though they are mostly, go to our website and sign up and we'll send you a pamphlet kind of thing. I was referring to the thing where they give some food or water away to a charity or for a natural disaster and then make TV commercials (that cost more than their donation) about it. Walmart is another that comes to mind that also does this. -VerdiOn 5/16/06, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 16 May 2006 13:50:09 +0200, Jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, the tobacco PSA's make me shudder with rage. How stupid they must think us, is what I think with most television advertising. Aren't those PSAs a result of a lawsuit? Ie. Phillip Morris was forced tomake them as a part of some sort of settlement some years back? I ampretty sure, but my Google-Fu is weak and I can't find any references. --Andreas Haugstrup PedersenURL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free.http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Author of the book Secrets Of VideobloggingMe -- http://michaelverdi.com Learn to videoblog -- http://freevlog.orgI'm Going To Vloggercon, June 10 11 -- http://vloggercon.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Oh, Jan may be right - I don't know if those PSAs were required. Here in Texas they had to give some money away and one place they did was the YMCA. One summer I worked with a bunch of kids at a local YMCA and we made an anti-somoking animation using cut up smoking advertisments. I'm not sure if kept them from smoking as it was a one-shot deal and nobody's behavior was followed up with but we all had fun for a couple of weeks. -VerdiOn 5/16/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes they have to some PSAs about the dangers of smoking because of lawsuits though they are mostly, go to our website and sign up and we'll send you a pamphlet kind of thing. I was referring to the thing where they give some food or water away to a charity or for a natural disaster and then make TV commercials (that cost more than their donation) about it. Walmart is another that comes to mind that also does this. -VerdiOn 5/16/06, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 16 May 2006 13:50:09 +0200, Jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, the tobacco PSA's make me shudder with rage. How stupid they must think us, is what I think with most television advertising. Aren't those PSAs a result of a lawsuit? Ie. Phillip Morris was forced tomake them as a part of some sort of settlement some years back? I ampretty sure, but my Google-Fu is weak and I can't find any references. --Andreas Haugstrup PedersenURL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Author of the book Secrets Of VideobloggingMe -- http://michaelverdi.com Learn to videoblog -- http://freevlog.orgI'm Going To Vloggercon, June 10 11 -- http://vloggercon.com -- Author of the book Secrets Of VideobloggingMe -- http://michaelverdi.comLearn to videoblog -- http://freevlog.orgI'm Going To Vloggercon, June 10 11 -- http://vloggercon.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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don't be duped. the advertising companies have realized that the 30 second spot where they say buy this product, it's the best one, it will do great things for you is dead. No one buys the rhetoric anymore. (Compare that to 40-50 years ago when our culture was such that most people would say really? That's the best one? Oh I'll have to be sure to buy that. I remember my grandparents being very trusting like that. It seems so naive now, but that's how advertising worked several decades ago.) These days, given how skeptical we have gotten, and how quickly we change the channel / look away from the billboard, now the advertising companies are trying to figure out what technique is the new best way to get people to buy / get truly interested in/ be loyal to the object of their advertising campaign. Some are working hard at the product placement angle: so if viewers are going to change the channels when the commercials come on during The Apprentice, we'll make the product a major part of the show we'll get the viewer to imagine how they might sell this product in the streets of New York or design and event promoting the product... and then the idea goes, that viewer will be more likely to think -- hey I want that / I want to buy that when they are in the store. (Do you really think Trump + the executives cares about a badly-done party in a NYC bar to promote _X_? Hell no! It's the 20 minutes of screen time that _X_ gets while following around the group planning that party that matters.) Or Survivor... imagine being in a jungle for 23 days... you haven't had anything to eat besides some boiled snails. And then, all of a sudden you work your ass of and win a contest by a fraction of a second, and WOW for your reward you get a Coke and a Snickers !!! Man, wouldn't that taste good! Hey, I can go to the store across the street and get a Coke and a Snickers myself, right now, man that would taste good... yum, let me go buy that There are many other approaches -- I'm sure you see them everywhere, too. The text message / internet survey contest. The cool billboard with no ad that just has the URL to go to a website -- 16 zillion of them, all giving tiny clues, but none tying directly to an obvious product. Crazy MySpace promotions. I can see a push and pull between the advertising creatives and the corporate executives -- where the creatives are saying, hey, there's this cool new way to get to people, let's try this, and the conservative fearful executives are saying: why should we pay you to play on MySpace or to put up a zillion billboards that don't even have our product's name on it??? But as the fears of these executives subside, we will be seeing more and more and more and more of this kind of all-inclusive, 'secret' advertising. Infiltrating the independent film scene is just one more part of their 'try everything to find the next big hit' approach. I've seen film festivals that are all about getting indie filmmakers to create short films for major corporations like BMW and Nike and Dock Martin and American Express. The corporation gives the filmmaker $20,000 (or $5,000 or $50,000) -- which seems like a HUGE budget to us artists trying to make work on $0 or $500, but which is a total steal for a corporation use to paying _much_ more than that for a 30 second commercial. The terms of the deal is different every time, but it can be / is frequently like this: filmmaker gets to make any film they want, with a plot and characters, and a cute / cool / action-packed story. (right —any film they want. How about a film with characters who are gay or have lefty politics or ? ) Frequently the product of the campaign does NOT have to be in the commercial (although I see filmmakers putting the product in anyway, just out of 'love' / appreciation for getting such a 'huge' budget for their 'artistic' work). Then the corporation looks cool to the indie film world for 'supporting the arts' -- and buzz spreads via word of mouth and the internet about how cool this thing is. The finished films are put on the corporation website with a lot of dressing to make the whole project seem like its about filmmaking / the arts // like it's a film festival or something. Tons of traffic is driven to the site by all the cool buzz and oh, while you are at the site, hey, you know, like, check out the shoes. And when you are in the show store and are trying to figure out which shoe is cooler... well, you know. Sometimes specific filmmakers are hired to make a film, other times there's an open contest held, and anyone can submit a film, which serves to create even more buzz. Again, the contest isn't usually a contest for an ad (although sometimes it is) -- it's an independent film contest... but at the root, the entire thing is an advertising campaign. I think it's confusing for people -- definitely blurring the line between art and adverting. And hey, many
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Jen Simmons wrote: Those corporations want to take over the imagination of the vlogosphere... and they are. Do we want to fall for that? What do you mean "take over"? This could be the vector by which the idea of videoblogging reaches more people. In what way will it drive out the non-commercial vloggers? Is this really a zero-sum space? Can there only be a fixed number of vlogs created each year, so we must do our best to prevent Big Business from buying up the slots we'd rather see go to our friends? YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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hey jan,loreal is not compensating folks. currenttv is. to be a woman of worth, you must be a volunteer who's volunteer work helps, primarily,U.S interests. the woman of worth wins five grand...to go to the charity of her choice and five grand more is donated to loreal's ovarian cancer cause. currenttv pays the cash...to the makers of the ads and not the women of worth.this campaign has been around for a while (part of the because i'm worth it campaign). On 5/16/06, Jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, the tobacco PSA's make me shudder with rage. How stupid they mustthink us, is what I think with most television advertising.Glad L'Oreal is compensating folks. Thanks for the info, Josh. Jan--It isn't done alone. Pay more.http://fauxpress.blogspot.com - movementhttp://dagnyhemingway.blogspot.com - machinimahttp://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com - mediahttp://blog.urbanartadventures.com - literature http://the-hold.blogspot.com - arthttp://homepage.mac.com/janmclaughlin/loveletter/iMovieTheater26.html -filmmaker- Original Message - From: Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comSent: Monday, May 15, 2006 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Current ContradictionI haven't seen the BP commercials, so I can't comment on those, but I'mnot sure that this sort of thing isn't actually worse than the PSAsfrom Phillip Morris. The Philip Morris PSAs are such an obvious our reputation is in the shitter, maybe this will help a bit. It comesacross as trying to save face.L'Oreal on the other hand doesn't have a reputation for killingthousands of people each year with their products. This isn't about saving face, it's about a new form of promotion, and given that it is acosmetics company, whose entire business is focused on making womenfeel as if they need lipstick and rouge to appear attractive, it seems a bit puzzling to link realwork done by women with their products.Someone asked about compensation for this project, Current TV will pay$1000 for any V-Cam piece they use; they also offer other rates for use of the piece in other mediums by the advertiser.JoshOn May 15, 2006, at 11:30 AM, Mike Hudack wrote:I like the BP environmental commercials. What's the worst there? That they're raising people's awareness of their personal impact on the environment? On 5/15/06, Anne Walk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's an interesting question. something i think about whenever i see a BP commercial for the environment. On 5/15/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it diminishes the redeeming qualities - it's like PSAs from Philip Morris. -Verdi On 5/15/06, Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hey everyone, Current TV is currently working with L'Oreal, a cosmetics company, to solicit videomakers to profile women whom they know who are women of worth. ( http://www.current.tv/studio/create/ vcam_loreal_wow.html) - I'm curious how the vidoblogging community feels about an ad campagin sponsored by a cosmetics company to profile women who are working to improve the world they live in? Obviously a series of PSA's giving these women credit for the work they are doing would be a good thing, but, is the fact that this thing is being underwritten by a cosmetics company and considered an advertisement by Current diminish the redeeming quality the project might otherwise have? What do you think? Josh We can bomb the world to pieces, but we can't bomb it into to peace. Power to the peaceful! Spearhead - Bomb the World Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links -- Author of the book Secrets Of Videoblogging Me -- http://michaelverdi.com Learn to videoblog -- http://freevlog.org I'm Going To Vloggercon, June 10 11 -- http://vloggercon.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walk http://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Don't hate the media, become the media.- Jello BiafraYahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's
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Jen! Well said. Brava, chica. I deeply relish walking the goofy line between art and commerce, but for my own nefarious art purposes, advertising stuff and people and ideas I admire and I daresay, love. The advertisement is one of my favorite art forms. Check out this ad I took out in 11211 Magazine, wherein I've had half a dozen or so 1/4-page two-color ads in the last few years. This was the first ad: http://static.flickr.com/6/9940881_d18b25a602_o.jpg XOX, Jan -- It isn't done alone. Pay more. http://fauxpress.blogspot.com - movement http://dagnyhemingway.blogspot.com - machinima http://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com - media http://blog.urbanartadventures.com - literature http://the-hold.blogspot.com - art http://homepage.mac.com/janmclaughlin/loveletter/iMovieTheater26.html - filmmaker - Original Message - From: Jen Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction don't be duped. the advertising companies have realized that the 30 second spot where they say buy this product, it's the best one, it will do great things for you is dead. No one buys the rhetoric anymore. (Compare that to 40-50 years ago when our culture was such that most people would say really? That's the best one? Oh I'll have to be sure to buy that. I remember my grandparents being very trusting like that. It seems so naive now, but that's how advertising worked several decades ago.) These days, given how skeptical we have gotten, and how quickly we change the channel / look away from the billboard, now the advertising companies are trying to figure out what technique is the new best way to get people to buy / get truly interested in/ be loyal to the object of their advertising campaign. Some are working hard at the product placement angle: so if viewers are going to change the channels when the commercials come on during The Apprentice, we'll make the product a major part of the show we'll get the viewer to imagine how they might sell this product in the streets of New York or design and event promoting the product... and then the idea goes, that viewer will be more likely to think -- hey I want that / I want to buy that when they are in the store. (Do you really think Trump + the executives cares about a badly-done party in a NYC bar to promote _X_? Hell no! It's the 20 minutes of screen time that _X_ gets while following around the group planning that party that matters.) Or Survivor... imagine being in a jungle for 23 days... you haven't had anything to eat besides some boiled snails. And then, all of a sudden you work your ass of and win a contest by a fraction of a second, and WOW for your reward you get a Coke and a Snickers !!! Man, wouldn't that taste good! Hey, I can go to the store across the street and get a Coke and a Snickers myself, right now, man that would taste good... yum, let me go buy that There are many other approaches -- I'm sure you see them everywhere, too. The text message / internet survey contest. The cool billboard with no ad that just has the URL to go to a website -- 16 zillion of them, all giving tiny clues, but none tying directly to an obvious product. Crazy MySpace promotions. I can see a push and pull between the advertising creatives and the corporate executives -- where the creatives are saying, hey, there's this cool new way to get to people, let's try this, and the conservative fearful executives are saying: why should we pay you to play on MySpace or to put up a zillion billboards that don't even have our product's name on it??? But as the fears of these executives subside, we will be seeing more and more and more and more of this kind of all-inclusive, 'secret' advertising. Infiltrating the independent film scene is just one more part of their 'try everything to find the next big hit' approach. I've seen film festivals that are all about getting indie filmmakers to create short films for major corporations like BMW and Nike and Dock Martin and American Express. The corporation gives the filmmaker $20,000 (or $5,000 or $50,000) -- which seems like a HUGE budget to us artists trying to make work on $0 or $500, but which is a total steal for a corporation use to paying _much_ more than that for a 30 second commercial. The terms of the deal is different every time, but it can be / is frequently like this: filmmaker gets to make any film they want, with a plot and characters, and a cute / cool / action-packed story. (right —any film they want. How about a film with characters who are gay or have lefty politics or ? ) Frequently the product of the campaign does NOT have to be in the commercial (although I see filmmakers putting the product in anyway, just out of 'love' / appreciation for getting such a 'huge' budget for their 'artistic' work). Then the corporation looks cool to the indie film world for 'supporting the arts' -- and buzz spreads via word of mouth
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Thanks, Anne, I suspect that just because Current signs the check it doesn't mean that L'Oreal hasn't signed an even bigger check to Current. Arms-length and all that. Bottom line: advertising dollars spent and folks remembering 'L'Oreal' when they're at the drug store looking for lipstick. But I like the philanthropic angle. Jan -- http://fauxpress.blogspot.com - motion http://blog.urbanartadventures.com - sound http://the-hold.blogspot.com - poetry http://dagnyhemingway.blogspot.com - machinima http://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com - media On May 16, 2006, at 10:59 AM, Anne Walk wrote: hey jan, loreal is not compensating folks. currenttv is. to be a woman of worth, you must be a volunteer who's volunteer work helps, primarily,U.S interests. the woman of worth wins five grand...to go to the charity of her choice and five grand more is donated to loreal's ovarian cancer cause. currenttv pays the cash...to the makers of the ads and not the women of worth. this campaign has been around for a while (part of the because i'm worth it campaign). On 5/16/06, Jan [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: think us, is what I think with most television advertising. Glad L'Oreal is compensating folks. Thanks for the info, Josh. Jan -- It isn't done alone. Pay more. http://fauxpress.blogspot.com - movement http://dagnyhemingway.blogspot.com - machinima http://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com - media http://blog.urbanartadventures.com - literature http://the-hold.blogspot.com - art http://homepage.mac.com/janmclaughlin/loveletter/iMovieTheater26.html - filmmaker - Original Message - From: Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction I haven't seen the BP commercials, so I can't comment on those, but I'm not sure that this sort of thing isn't actually worse than the PSAs from Phillip Morris. The Philip Morris PSAs are such an obvious our reputation is in the shitter, maybe this will help a bit. It comes across as trying to save face. L'Oreal on the other hand doesn't have a reputation for killing thousands of people each year with their products. This isn't about saving face, it's about a new form of promotion, and given that it is a cosmetics company, whose entire business is focused on making women feel as if they need lipstick and rouge to appear attractive, it seems a bit puzzling to link real work done by women with their products. Someone asked about compensation for this project, Current TV will pay $1000 for any V-Cam piece they use; they also offer other rates for use of the piece in other mediums by the advertiser. Josh On May 15, 2006, at 11:30 AM, Mike Hudack wrote: > I like the BP environmental commercials. What's the worst there? > That they're raising people's awareness of their personal impact on > the environment? > > On 5/15/06, Anne Walk [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: it's an > interesting question. something i think about whenever i see a BP > commercial for the environment. >> >> >> On 5/15/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, it >> diminishes the redeeming qualities - it's like PSAs from Philip >> Morris. >>> -Verdi >>> >>> On 5/15/06, Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Hey everyone, >>> Current TV is currently working with L'Oreal, a >>>> cosmetics company, to solicit videomakers to profile women whom they >>>> know who are women of worth. ( >>>> http://www.current.tv/studio/create/ >>>> vcam_loreal_wow.html) - I'm curious how the vidoblogging community >>>> feels about an ad campagin sponsored by a cosmetics company to >>>> profile women who are working to improve the world they live in? >>>> >>>> Obviously a series of PSA's giving these women credit for the work >>>> they are doing would be a good thing, but, is the fact that this >>>> thing is being underwritten by a cosmetics company and considered an >>>> advertisement by Current diminish the redeeming quality the project >>>> might otherwise have? >>>> >>>> What do you think? >>>> >>>> Josh >>>> >>>> >>>> We can bomb the world to pieces, but we can't bomb it into to >>>> peace. >>>> Power to the peaceful! >>>> >>>> Spearhead - Bomb the World >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >>>> ~--> >>>> Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email >>>> arrives >>>> http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM >>>
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Anne, while Current TV might cut the check, I'm pretty certain the L'Oreal payed Current sum massive sum of money that more than covers the $1000 that Current will be dishing out. So I'd say L'oreal *is* compensating folks. Further, if the video someone made was picked up outside of Current, that person would be paid for their commercial to air on other stations, but that check wouldn't come from Current anymore, it'd either come from L'Oreal, or some company they had contracted with to write the checks. Josh On May 16, 2006, at 7:59 AM, Anne Walk wrote: hey jan, loreal is not compensating folks. currenttv is. to be a woman of worth, you must be a volunteer who's volunteer work helps, primarily,U.S interests. the woman of worth wins five grand...to go to the charity of her choice and five grand more is donated to loreal's ovarian cancer cause. currenttv pays the cash...to the makers of the ads and not the women of worth. this campaign has been around for a while (part of the because i'm worth it campaign). On 5/16/06, Jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, the tobacco PSA's make me shudder with rage. How stupid they must think us, is what I think with most television advertising. Glad L'Oreal is compensating folks. Thanks for the info, Josh. Jan -- It isn't done alone. Pay more. http://fauxpress.blogspot.com - movement http://dagnyhemingway.blogspot.com - machinima http://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com - media http://blog.urbanartadventures.com - literature http://the-hold.blogspot.com - art http://homepage.mac.com/janmclaughlin/loveletter/ iMovieTheater26.html - filmmaker - Original Message - From: Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction I haven't seen the BP commercials, so I can't comment on those, but I'm not sure that this sort of thing isn't actually worse than the PSAs from Phillip Morris. The Philip Morris PSAs are such an obvious our reputation is in the shitter, maybe this will help a bit. It comes across as trying to save face. L'Oreal on the other hand doesn't have a reputation for killing thousands of people each year with their products. This isn't about saving face, it's about a new form of promotion, and given that it is a cosmetics company, whose entire business is focused on making women feel as if they need lipstick and rouge to appear attractive, it seems a bit puzzling to link real work done by women with their products. Someone asked about compensation for this project, Current TV will pay $1000 for any V-Cam piece they use; they also offer other rates for use of the piece in other mediums by the advertiser. Josh On May 15, 2006, at 11:30 AM, Mike Hudack wrote: I like the BP environmental commercials. What's the worst there? That they're raising people's awareness of their personal impact on the environment? On 5/15/06, Anne Walk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's an interesting question. something i think about whenever i see a BP commercial for the environment. On 5/15/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it diminishes the redeeming qualities - it's like PSAs from Philip Morris. -Verdi On 5/15/06, Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hey everyone, Current TV is currently working with L'Oreal, a cosmetics company, to solicit videomakers to profile women whom they know who are women of worth. ( http://www.current.tv/studio/create/ vcam_loreal_wow.html) - I'm curious how the vidoblogging community feels about an ad campagin sponsored by a cosmetics company to profile women who are working to improve the world they live in? Obviously a series of PSA's giving these women credit for the work they are doing would be a good thing, but, is the fact that this thing is being underwritten by a cosmetics company and considered an advertisement by Current diminish the redeeming quality the project might otherwise have? What do you think? Josh We can bomb the world to pieces, but we can't bomb it into to peace. Power to the peaceful! Spearhead - Bomb the World Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links -- Author of the book Secrets Of Videoblogging Me -- http://michaelverdi.com Learn to videoblog -- http://freevlog.org I'm Going To Vloggercon, June 10 11 -- http://vloggercon.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups
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true, Josh, they are paying something for the commercials. i thought it was about giving to the women of worth. guess i got confused.On 5/16/06,
Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anne, while Current TV might cut the check, I'm pretty certain theL'Oreal payed Current sum massive sum of money that more than coversthe $1000 that Current will be dishing out. So I'd say L'oreal *is*compensating folks. Further, if the video someone made was picked up
outside of Current, that person would be paid for their commercial toair on other stations, but that check wouldn't come from Currentanymore, it'd either come from L'Oreal, or some company they hadcontracted with to write the checks.
JoshOn May 16, 2006, at 7:59 AM, Anne Walk wrote: hey jan, loreal is not compensating folks. currenttv is. to be a woman of worth, you must be a volunteer who's volunteer work helps,
primarily,U.S interests. the woman of worth wins five grand...to go to the charity of her choice and five grand more is donated to loreal's ovarian cancer cause. currenttv pays the cash...to the makers of the ads and not the
women of worth. this campaign has been around for a while (part of the because i'm worth it campaign). On 5/16/06, Jan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, the tobacco PSA's make me shudder with rage. How stupid they must think us, is what I think with most television advertising. Glad L'Oreal is compensating folks. Thanks for the info, Josh.
Jan -- It isn't done alone. Pay more. http://fauxpress.blogspot.com - movement
http://dagnyhemingway.blogspot.com - machinima http://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com - media http://blog.urbanartadventures.com
- literature http://the-hold.blogspot.com - art http://homepage.mac.com/janmclaughlin/loveletter/
iMovieTheater26.html - filmmaker - Original Message - From: Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction I haven't seen the BP commercials, so I can't comment on those, but
I'm not sure that this sort of thing isn't actually worse than the PSAs from Phillip Morris. The Philip Morris PSAs are such an obvious our reputation is in the shitter, maybe this will help a bit. It comes
across as trying to save face. L'Oreal on the other hand doesn't have a reputation for killing thousands of people each year with their products. This isn't about saving face, it's about a new form of promotion, and given that it
is a cosmetics company, whose entire business is focused on making women feel as if they need lipstick and rouge to appear attractive, it seems a bit puzzling to link realwork done by women with their products.
Someone asked about compensation for this project, Current TV will pay $1000 for any V-Cam piece they use; they also offer other rates for use of the piece in other mediums by the advertiser.
Josh On May 15, 2006, at 11:30 AM, Mike Hudack wrote: I like the BP environmental commercials. What's the worst there? That they're raising people's awareness of their personal impact on
the environment? On 5/15/06, Anne Walk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's an interesting question. something i think about whenever i see a BP
commercial for the environment.On 5/15/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it
diminishes the redeeming qualities - it's like PSAs from Philip Morris. -Verdi On 5/15/06, Josh Wolf
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hey everyone, Current TV is currently working with L'Oreal, a cosmetics company, to solicit videomakers to profile women whom they
know who are women of worth. ( http://www.current.tv/studio/create/ vcam_loreal_wow.html) - I'm curious how the vidoblogging
community feels about an ad campagin sponsored by a cosmetics company to profile women who are working to improve the world they live in?
Obviously a series of PSA's giving these women credit for the work they are doing would be a good thing, but, is the fact that this thing is being underwritten by a cosmetics company and
considered an advertisement by Current diminish the redeeming quality the project might otherwise have? What do you think?
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Hey everyone, Current TV is currently working with L'Oreal, a cosmetics company, to solicit videomakers to profile women whom they know who are women of worth. (http://www.current.tv/studio/create/ vcam_loreal_wow.html) - I'm curious how the vidoblogging community feels about an ad campagin sponsored by a cosmetics company to profile women who are working to improve the world they live in? Obviously a series of PSA's giving these women credit for the work they are doing would be a good thing, but, is the fact that this thing is being underwritten by a cosmetics company and considered an advertisement by Current diminish the redeeming quality the project might otherwise have? What do you think? Josh We can bomb the world to pieces, but we can't bomb it into to peace. Power to the peaceful! Spearhead - Bomb the World SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Yes, it diminishes the redeeming qualities - it's like PSAs from Philip Morris.-VerdiOn 5/15/06, Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hey everyone, Current TV is currently working with L'Oreal, a cosmetics company, to solicit videomakers to profile women whom theyknow who are women of worth. (http://www.current.tv/studio/create/vcam_loreal_wow.html) - I'm curious how the vidoblogging community feels about an ad campagin sponsored by a cosmetics company toprofile women who are working to improve the world they live in?Obviously a series of PSA's giving these women credit for the workthey are doing would be a good thing, but, is the fact that this thing is being underwritten by a cosmetics company and considered anadvertisement by Current diminish the redeeming quality the projectmight otherwise have?What do you think?Josh We can bomb the world to pieces, but we can't bomb it into to peace.Power to the peaceful!Spearhead - Bomb the World Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arriveshttp://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Author of the book Secrets Of VideobloggingMe -- http://michaelverdi.com Learn to videoblog -- http://freevlog.orgI'm Going To Vloggercon, June 10 11 -- http://vloggercon.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Hehehe - heroic by association. Great old trick. Works. Worked on a documentary years ago - sponsored by L'Oreal I think - wherein we did the same kinda thing but feature-length. It was called I Am Beautiful and featured a Native American woman with AIDS who'd adopted a bunch of orphaned kids and a woman of color with a bunch of kids who was going back to college to improve her life. Like that, on and on with about 8 women. Pure propaganda and lots of hyperbole. Were the thing truthful, I think, well, even with its exaggerations of the truth, it DID feature a lot of women who were doing great things. Short answer: I don't know, Josh, whether the up side outweighs the propaganda, particularly if the vloggers and women in question aren't given financial support from L'Oreal for their efforts. PSA's? Interesting. Will follow this with interest. XO, Jan -- It isn't done alone. Pay more. http://fauxpress.blogspot.com - movement http://dagnyhemingway.blogspot.com - machinima http://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com - media http://blog.urbanartadventures.com - literature http://the-hold.blogspot.com - art http://homepage.mac.com/janmclaughlin/loveletter/iMovieTheater26.html. - filmmaker - Original Message - From: Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 1:38 PM Subject: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction Hey everyone, Current TV is currently working with L'Oreal, a cosmetics company, to solicit videomakers to profile women whom they know who are women of worth. (http://www.current.tv/studio/create/ vcam_loreal_wow.html) - I'm curious how the vidoblogging community feels about an ad campagin sponsored by a cosmetics company to profile women who are working to improve the world they live in? Obviously a series of PSA's giving these women credit for the work they are doing would be a good thing, but, is the fact that this thing is being underwritten by a cosmetics company and considered an advertisement by Current diminish the redeeming quality the project might otherwise have? What do you think? Josh We can bomb the world to pieces, but we can't bomb it into to peace. Power to the peaceful! Spearhead - Bomb the World Yahoo! Groups Links YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Are we equating cosmetics with tobacco? Michael Verdi wrote: Yes, it diminishes the redeeming qualities - it's like PSAs from Philip Morris. -Verdi On 5/15/06, Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey everyone, Current TV is currently working with L'Oreal, a cosmetics company, to solicit videomakers to profile women whom they know who are "women of worth." (http://www.current.tv/studio/create/ vcam_loreal_wow.html) - I'm curious how the vidoblogging community feels about an ad campagin sponsored by a cosmetics company to profile women who are working to improve the world they live in? Obviously a series of PSA's giving these women credit for the work they are doing would be a good thing, but, is the fact that this thing is being underwritten by a cosmetics company and considered an advertisement by Current diminish the redeeming quality the project might otherwise have? What do you think? Josh "We can bomb the world to pieces, but we can't bomb it into to peace." "Power to the peaceful!" Spearhead - Bomb the World Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Author of the book Secrets Of Videoblogging Me -- http://michaelverdi.com Learn to videoblog -- http://freevlog.org I'm Going To Vloggercon, June 10 11 -- http://vloggercon.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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it's an interesting question. something i think about whenever i see a BP commercial for the environment. On 5/15/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it diminishes the redeeming qualities - it's like PSAs from Philip Morris.-VerdiOn 5/15/06, Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hey everyone, Current TV is currently working with L'Oreal, a cosmetics company, to solicit videomakers to profile women whom theyknow who are women of worth. ( http://www.current.tv/studio/create/vcam_loreal_wow.html) - I'm curious how the vidoblogging community feels about an ad campagin sponsored by a cosmetics company toprofile women who are working to improve the world they live in?Obviously a series of PSA's giving these women credit for the workthey are doing would be a good thing, but, is the fact that this thing is being underwritten by a cosmetics company and considered anadvertisement by Current diminish the redeeming quality the projectmight otherwise have?What do you think?Josh We can bomb the world to pieces, but we can't bomb it into to peace.Power to the peaceful!Spearhead - Bomb the World Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arriveshttp://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Author of the book Secrets Of VideobloggingMe -- http://michaelverdi.com Learn to videoblog -- http://freevlog.orgI'm Going To Vloggercon, June 10 11 -- http://vloggercon.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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I like the BP environmental commercials. What's the worst there? That they're raising people's awareness of their personal impact on the environment?On 5/15/06, Anne Walk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's an interesting question. something i think about whenever i see a BP commercial for the environment. On 5/15/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it diminishes the redeeming qualities - it's like PSAs from Philip Morris.-VerdiOn 5/15/06, Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hey everyone, Current TV is currently working with L'Oreal, a cosmetics company, to solicit videomakers to profile women whom theyknow who are women of worth. ( http://www.current.tv/studio/create/vcam_loreal_wow.html) - I'm curious how the vidoblogging community feels about an ad campagin sponsored by a cosmetics company toprofile women who are working to improve the world they live in?Obviously a series of PSA's giving these women credit for the workthey are doing would be a good thing, but, is the fact that this thing is being underwritten by a cosmetics company and considered anadvertisement by Current diminish the redeeming quality the projectmight otherwise have?What do you think?Josh We can bomb the world to pieces, but we can't bomb it into to peace.Power to the peaceful!Spearhead - Bomb the World Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arriveshttp://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Author of the book Secrets Of VideobloggingMe -- http://michaelverdi.com Learn to videoblog -- http://freevlog.orgI'm Going To Vloggercon, June 10 11 -- http://vloggercon.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Sorry - didn't mean to equate the two, just the tactics. L'Oreal would probably like draw attention away from stuff like this, http://www.askcarla.com/answers.asp?QuestionandanswerID=458 , by talking about women doing great things that have nothing to do with their company. It's a well known tactic which has been used by many companies including tobacco companies.-Verdi On 5/15/06, Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are we equating cosmetics with tobacco? Michael Verdi wrote: Yes, it diminishes the redeeming qualities - it's like PSAs from Philip Morris. -Verdi On 5/15/06, Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey everyone, Current TV is currently working with L'Oreal, a cosmetics company, to solicit videomakers to profile women whom they know who are women of worth. (http://www.current.tv/studio/create/ vcam_loreal_wow.html) - I'm curious how the vidoblogging community feels about an ad campagin sponsored by a cosmetics company to profile women who are working to improve the world they live in? Obviously a series of PSA's giving these women credit for the work they are doing would be a good thing, but, is the fact that this thing is being underwritten by a cosmetics company and considered an advertisement by Current diminish the redeeming quality the project might otherwise have? What do you think? Josh We can bomb the world to pieces, but we can't bomb it into to peace. Power to the peaceful! Spearhead - Bomb the World Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Author of the book Secrets Of Videoblogging Me -- http://michaelverdi.com Learn to videoblog -- http://freevlog.org I'm Going To Vloggercon, June 10 11 -- http://vloggercon.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Author of the book Secrets Of VideobloggingMe -- http://michaelverdi.comLearn to videoblog -- http://freevlog.orgI'm Going To Vloggercon, June 10 11 -- http://vloggercon.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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ok, clueless moment...who is 'BP'?On 5/15/06, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the BP environmental commercials. What's the worst there? That they're raising people's awareness of their personal impact on the environment? On 5/15/06, Anne Walk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's an interesting question. something i think about whenever i see a BP commercial for the environment. On 5/15/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it diminishes the redeeming qualities - it's like PSAs from Philip Morris.-VerdiOn 5/15/06, Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hey everyone, Current TV is currently working with L'Oreal, a cosmetics company, to solicit videomakers to profile women whom theyknow who are women of worth. ( http://www.current.tv/studio/create/vcam_loreal_wow.html) - I'm curious how the vidoblogging community feels about an ad campagin sponsored by a cosmetics company toprofile women who are working to improve the world they live in?Obviously a series of PSA's giving these women credit for the workthey are doing would be a good thing, but, is the fact that this thing is being underwritten by a cosmetics company and considered anadvertisement by Current diminish the redeeming quality the projectmight otherwise have?What do you think?Josh We can bomb the world to pieces, but we can't bomb it into to peace.Power to the peaceful!Spearhead - Bomb the World Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arriveshttp://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Author of the book Secrets Of VideobloggingMe -- http://michaelverdi.com Learn to videoblog -- http://freevlog.orgI'm Going To Vloggercon, June 10 11 -- http://vloggercon.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walkhttp://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- ~Devlonhttp://loadedpun.com | http://mefeedia.comhttp://8bitme.blogspot.com | http://devlonduthie.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction
British Petroleum, an oil company which has gone green and expanded its scope into sustainable energy. Isn't this what us tree huggers have been praying for for decades? Devlon wrote: ok, clueless moment...who is 'BP'? On 5/15/06, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the BP environmental commercials. What's the worst there? That they're raising people's awareness of their personal impact on the environment? On 5/15/06, Anne Walk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's an interesting question. something i think about whenever i see a BP commercial for the environment. On 5/15/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it diminishes the redeeming qualities - it's like PSAs from Philip Morris. -Verdi On 5/15/06, Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey everyone, Current TV is currently working with L'Oreal, a cosmetics company, to solicit videomakers to profile women whom they know who are "women of worth." ( http://www.current.tv/studio/create/ vcam_loreal_wow.html) - I'm curious how the vidoblogging community feels about an ad campagin sponsored by a cosmetics company to profile women who are working to improve the world they live in? Obviously a series of PSA's giving these women credit for the work they are doing would be a good thing, but, is the fact that this thing is being underwritten by a cosmetics company and considered an advertisement by Current diminish the redeeming quality the project might otherwise have? What do you think? Josh "We can bomb the world to pieces, but we can't bomb it into to peace." "Power to the peaceful!" Spearhead - Bomb the World Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Author of the book Secrets Of Videoblogging Me -- http://michaelverdi.com Learn to videoblog -- http://freevlog.org I'm Going To Vloggercon, June 10 11 -- http://vloggercon.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walk http://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- ~Devlon http://loadedpun.com | http://mefeedia.com http://8bitme.blogspot.com | http://devlonduthie.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction
Personally, I'm thrilled by BP's newfound religion. I mean, some will say that they still operate polluting businesses (from petrochemicals on through). That's true. But they've also acknowledged the existence of global warming and are pouring resources into sustainable and relatively green energy projects. The commercials are doubly good. They remind people of their environmental impact and they help demonstrate that a major company can make a switch like this and profit from it (from good PR, et cetera). On 5/15/06, Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: British Petroleum, an oil company which has gone green and expanded its scope into sustainable energy. Isn't this what us tree huggers have been praying for for decades? Devlon wrote: ok, clueless moment...who is 'BP'? On 5/15/06, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the BP environmental commercials. What's the worst there? That they're raising people's awareness of their personal impact on the environment? On 5/15/06, Anne Walk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's an interesting question. something i think about whenever i see a BP commercial for the environment. On 5/15/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it diminishes the redeeming qualities - it's like PSAs from Philip Morris. -Verdi On 5/15/06, Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey everyone, Current TV is currently working with L'Oreal, a cosmetics company, to solicit videomakers to profile women whom they know who are women of worth. ( http://www.current.tv/studio/create/ vcam_loreal_wow.html) - I'm curious how the vidoblogging community feels about an ad campagin sponsored by a cosmetics company to profile women who are working to improve the world they live in? Obviously a series of PSA's giving these women credit for the work they are doing would be a good thing, but, is the fact that this thing is being underwritten by a cosmetics company and considered an advertisement by Current diminish the redeeming quality the project might otherwise have? What do you think? Josh We can bomb the world to pieces, but we can't bomb it into to peace. Power to the peaceful! Spearhead - Bomb the World Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Author of the book Secrets Of Videoblogging Me -- http://michaelverdi.com Learn to videoblog -- http://freevlog.org I'm Going To Vloggercon, June 10 11 -- http://vloggercon.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walk http://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- ~Devlon http://loadedpun.com | http://mefeedia.com http://8bitme.blogspot.com | http://devlonduthie.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant
Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction
Ah, thanks CharlesOn 5/15/06, Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: British Petroleum, an oil company which has gone green and expanded its scope into sustainable energy. Isn't this what us tree huggers have been praying for for decades? Devlon wrote: ok, clueless moment...who is 'BP'? On 5/15/06, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the BP environmental commercials. What's the worst there? That they're raising people's awareness of their personal impact on the environment? On 5/15/06, Anne Walk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's an interesting question. something i think about whenever i see a BP commercial for the environment. On 5/15/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it diminishes the redeeming qualities - it's like PSAs from Philip Morris. -Verdi On 5/15/06, Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey everyone, Current TV is currently working with L'Oreal, a cosmetics company, to solicit videomakers to profile women whom they know who are women of worth. ( http://www.current.tv/studio/create/ vcam_loreal_wow.html) - I'm curious how the vidoblogging community feels about an ad campagin sponsored by a cosmetics company to profile women who are working to improve the world they live in? Obviously a series of PSA's giving these women credit for the work they are doing would be a good thing, but, is the fact that this thing is being underwritten by a cosmetics company and considered an advertisement by Current diminish the redeeming quality the project might otherwise have? What do you think? Josh We can bomb the world to pieces, but we can't bomb it into to peace. Power to the peaceful! Spearhead - Bomb the World Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Author of the book Secrets Of Videoblogging Me -- http://michaelverdi.com Learn to videoblog -- http://freevlog.org I'm Going To Vloggercon, June 10 11 -- http://vloggercon.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walk http://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- ~Devlon http://loadedpun.com | http://mefeedia.com http://8bitme.blogspot.com | http://devlonduthie.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . --
Re: [videoblogging] Current Contradiction
I haven't seen the BP commercials, so I can't comment on those, but I'm not sure that this sort of thing isn't actually worse than the PSAs from Phillip Morris. The Philip Morris PSAs are such an obvious our reputation is in the shitter, maybe this will help a bit. It comes across as trying to save face. L'Oreal on the other hand doesn't have a reputation for killing thousands of people each year with their products. This isn't about saving face, it's about a new form of promotion, and given that it is a cosmetics company, whose entire business is focused on making women feel as if they need lipstick and rouge to appear attractive, it seems a bit puzzling to link real work done by women with their products. Someone asked about compensation for this project, Current TV will pay $1000 for any V-Cam piece they use; they also offer other rates for use of the piece in other mediums by the advertiser. Josh On May 15, 2006, at 11:30 AM, Mike Hudack wrote: I like the BP environmental commercials. What's the worst there? That they're raising people's awareness of their personal impact on the environment? On 5/15/06, Anne Walk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's an interesting question. something i think about whenever i see a BP commercial for the environment. On 5/15/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it diminishes the redeeming qualities - it's like PSAs from Philip Morris. -Verdi On 5/15/06, Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hey everyone, Current TV is currently working with L'Oreal, a cosmetics company, to solicit videomakers to profile women whom they know who are women of worth. ( http://www.current.tv/studio/create/ vcam_loreal_wow.html) - I'm curious how the vidoblogging community feels about an ad campagin sponsored by a cosmetics company to profile women who are working to improve the world they live in? Obviously a series of PSA's giving these women credit for the work they are doing would be a good thing, but, is the fact that this thing is being underwritten by a cosmetics company and considered an advertisement by Current diminish the redeeming quality the project might otherwise have? What do you think? Josh We can bomb the world to pieces, but we can't bomb it into to peace. Power to the peaceful! Spearhead - Bomb the World Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links -- Author of the book Secrets Of Videoblogging Me -- http://michaelverdi.com Learn to videoblog -- http://freevlog.org I'm Going To Vloggercon, June 10 11 -- http://vloggercon.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Anne Walk http://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Don't hate the media, become the media.- Jello Biafra YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
