RE: I have tried the hand writing feature on iOS 7

2013-09-20 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Rick,

How to you move between the search results if you use handwriting to find an
app? For example, if I write an s and then a c Voiceover says there are
2 results and it mentions Scansnap which is an app I have for my Fujitsu
scanner, but how can I find out what the second app is that was found?

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Rick Alfaro
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I have tried the hand writing feature on iOS 7

I personally like the handwriting feature. Although I would not use it for
email or text, I think it's fantastic when used on a home screen to find an
app anywhere on your phone. You can use Spotlite of course, but I actually
think the handwriting method is way faster. Great feature IMHO.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joseph FreeTech
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I have tried the hand writing feature on iOS 7

As a general Note, there have been a couple of great posts regarding
instructional material for the proper use of these features, so let's please
have an open mind until you read authoritative information on proper use. 
For example, I believe one can delete a letter by using a 2-finger swipe to
the left. A large percentage of the posts you will read for today and in the
next few days will be from those who are for the most part playing around
with the features and not from individuals who have sat down and read a user
manual and such. This will probably be the case for the next few days if not
weeks. ...Just trying to be fair to IOS7.

Joseph

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From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:21 PM
Subject: I have tried the hand writing feature on iOS 7


Hi all,
I've tried the handwriting feature. It's no big deal. First off it only 
works with printed, lowercase letters. It does not work with cursive. 
Secondly it has great difficulty discerning between things like the I and 
the letter L. And thirdly you have to use the rotor to go someplace else in 
order to delete letters. Personally I was looking forward to it but I don't 
see any use for it at all.

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

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RE: I have tried the hand writing feature on iOS 7

2013-09-20 Thread Rick Alfaro
Hi, once the number of matches is announced, you can move through the list
with 2 finger swipe down or up. Once you are on the app you want, you just
double tap.

Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 2:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I have tried the hand writing feature on iOS 7

Hi Rick,

How to you move between the search results if you use handwriting to find an
app? For example, if I write an s and then a c Voiceover says there are
2 results and it mentions Scansnap which is an app I have for my Fujitsu
scanner, but how can I find out what the second app is that was found?

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Rick Alfaro
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I have tried the hand writing feature on iOS 7

I personally like the handwriting feature. Although I would not use it for
email or text, I think it's fantastic when used on a home screen to find an
app anywhere on your phone. You can use Spotlite of course, but I actually
think the handwriting method is way faster. Great feature IMHO.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joseph FreeTech
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I have tried the hand writing feature on iOS 7

As a general Note, there have been a couple of great posts regarding
instructional material for the proper use of these features, so let's please
have an open mind until you read authoritative information on proper use. 
For example, I believe one can delete a letter by using a 2-finger swipe to
the left. A large percentage of the posts you will read for today and in the
next few days will be from those who are for the most part playing around
with the features and not from individuals who have sat down and read a user
manual and such. This will probably be the case for the next few days if not
weeks. ...Just trying to be fair to IOS7.

Joseph

- Original Message -
From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:21 PM
Subject: I have tried the hand writing feature on iOS 7


Hi all,
I've tried the handwriting feature. It's no big deal. First off it only
works with printed, lowercase letters. It does not work with cursive. 
Secondly it has great difficulty discerning between things like the I and
the letter L. And thirdly you have to use the rotor to go someplace else in
order to delete letters. Personally I was looking forward to it but I don't
see any use for it at all.

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

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RE: Spotlight Search Gone?

2013-09-20 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Victor,

 

In addition to Anita's instruction to get to Spotlight Search with a
3-finger swipe down from any app on any home screen, you can also perform
the pass-through gesture (a double tap and hold with one finger) and then
flick down immediately after you hear the triple tone the double tap and
hold generates.

Just make sure you do this very quickly, if you double tap and hold too long
before flicking down you enter moving apps mode.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Gadget Girl
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:59 PM
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Subject: Re: Spotlight Search Gone?

 

You just swipe down with 3 fingers from anywhere on the home screen, except
from the status bar, and a search box will appear.  I can't seem to find the
spotlight search for Safari or Wikipedia.  Anyone know what happened to it?

Regards,

Anita 

also known as Gadget Girl.  Sent via my Apple gadget.  Apple, Take a bite,
Express yourself!


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Hi Folks,

 

Whereas before, one only had to press the home button while on the first
page of your home screen, and the spotlight search would come on.

 

What has happened to this feature, and how does one get to the Spotlight
Search in iOs 7?

 

Thanks for any help you can give me.

 

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RE: Lost music app from dock

2013-09-20 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi,

You can't delete apps like music, Camera, Weather and all the other apps
which Apple provides as part of the iOS experience. Chances are you
accidently moved it. Here is what you do:

First you have to of course swipe through your apps and find where it is.
Try to figure out which row it is in and which column, e.g. on the very left
in row 3 or the second from the right in row 4 etc.

Now after you find it and Voiceover has focus on it, do a double tap and
hold until you hear a triple tone and Voiceover says Moving Music.At this
point drag your finger down the screen into the dock, if you have moved apps
before you know how this works, if not you just have to experiment. Anyhow,
you should be able to move the music app back into the dock and once there
you can move it to the position where you want it, e.g. very left, very
right or second in from the left or second in from the right.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Re: Bard Mobile is out

2013-09-20 Thread Peter Logan
Got it ...  looks like they did an excellent job.  Within a few clicks had a 
book and was reading...''Excellent job NLS!

Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:24 PM, Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Here is a link to the BARD Mobile app:
 
 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bard-mobile/id705229586?mt=8
 
 Chuck
 
 
 
 On Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:45:29 PM UTC-7, Joseph FreeTech wrote:
 Hi all, 
 
 Just thought I'd let you know the Bard Mobile app is out. I found it on my 
 iPod touch and will track down via browser. 
 
 BARD mobile 
 Library of congress 
 
 Joseph
 
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Re: Bard Mobile is out

2013-09-20 Thread Arnold Schmidt
During the beta test, a button free mode, such as that in the audible app, 
was discussed.  They didn't say when, or if, such a thing was forthcoming, 
but it was discussed.


Arnold Schmidt
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: Bard Mobile is out



Hi,

I used my iPod and launched the apps store  search.

I searched for the following:
bard nls

I was presented with the following:
BARD Mobile
Library of congress

During installation you will be asked to confirm your agreement to a 
couple

of NLS terms of agreement type stuff.

You will be asked for your NLS email address and password.

I gotta say, from what I have experimented with so far, they did a kick 
A**

job with this app. I was really curious as to what they did with the tempo
of playback, and judging from the book I downloaded to my iPod, the speed 
of
playback goes up to 300% which should be enough for even the fastest 
readers

out there.

I do wish they would have used some sort of gesture to control playback.
Right now I'm having to swipe to find playback controls then double-tap, 
but

I've not experimented or read any help file to know if gesture control is
possible or not. Smile.

I think most of you are really, really gonna love this app as it seems 
very

intuitive.

Think hard about the first book you will be reading as this will be a
memorable experience so make sure it's a good one!

Joseph

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From: Corey Michael Cook corey.coo...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: Bard Mobile is out


Same here I can't find it either news search for Bard did a search for in 
LS

the search for Barton mobile little search for Library of Congress

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:53 PM, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com
wrote:

I can't find it. Did a search for BARD, Bard mobile, and Library of
Congress.


On 9/19/13, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,

Just thought I'd let you know the Bard Mobile app is out. I found it on
my
iPod touch and will track down via browser.

BARD mobile
Library of congress

Joseph


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Re: Bard Mobile is out

2013-09-20 Thread Arnold Schmidt
And, you can double tap and hold on the rewind and fast forward buttons, and 
it will go back by 20 seconds, one minute, etc as does the nls player.


Arnold Schmidt
- Original Message - 
From: Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 12:18 AM
Subject: Bard Mobile is out



Here are some Bard Mobile app commands taken from chapter 6 of in-app help
file:

2-finger double-tap anywhere on screen to pause then 2-finger double-tap
anywhere on screen to play

If you slide your finger up from Home button about 1 inch you will find 
the

Play button. At this point you can swipe once left for Rewind button or
swipe right once for Forward button. Double-tap on each of these buttons 
to

execute their respective actions (forwards and rewinds by 5 seconds).

Triple tap on forward or rewind button to move by 20 second increments.

If you double-tap on the Bookshelf tab you can swipe until you find the
Bard Mobile User Guide. Double-tap to open. In section 6 Now reading 
audio

there is information on how to control playback and such.

Though this is an amazingly well constructed app, I do wish there were 
some
gesture controls for forward and rewind as well as gestures for 
controlling

playback speed. Smile.

Joseph

- Original Message - 
From: Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: Bard Mobile is out


Hi,

I used my iPod and launched the apps store  search.

I searched for the following:
bard nls

I was presented with the following:
BARD Mobile
Library of congress

During installation you will be asked to confirm your agreement to a 
couple

of NLS terms of agreement type stuff.

You will be asked for your NLS email address and password.

I gotta say, from what I have experimented with so far, they did a kick 
A**

job with this app. I was really curious as to what they did with the tempo
of playback, and judging from the book I downloaded to my iPod, the speed 
of
playback goes up to 300% which should be enough for even the fastest 
readers

out there.

I do wish they would have used some sort of gesture to control playback.
Right now I'm having to swipe to find playback controls then double-tap, 
but

I've not experimented or read any help file to know if gesture control is
possible or not. Smile.

I think most of you are really, really gonna love this app as it seems 
very

intuitive.

Think hard about the first book you will be reading as this will be a
memorable experience so make sure it's a good one!

Joseph

- Original Message - 
From: Corey Michael Cook corey.coo...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: Bard Mobile is out


Same here I can't find it either news search for Bard did a search for in 
LS

the search for Barton mobile little search for Library of Congress

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:53 PM, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com
wrote:

I can't find it. Did a search for BARD, Bard mobile, and Library of
Congress.


On 9/19/13, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,

Just thought I'd let you know the Bard Mobile app is out. I found it on
my
iPod touch and will track down via browser.

BARD mobile
Library of congress

Joseph


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Re: Has anyone tried IOSS 7 on an iPhone 4

2013-09-20 Thread Chris H
I have iOS 7 on my 4 and it's quite snappy. It's sluggish at times but 
not noticeable and is very usable overall. I was skeptical at first but 
took the gamble and it all paid off.


On 20/09/2013 04:23, Ron Pelletier wrote:

Hi all,



His anyone had any success with IOS 7 on an iPhone 4? Is it sluggish or does
it work quite normally?



Thank you for any info you can give me before I attempt the upgrade.



Ron  Danvers





Falling down is part of LIFE...

Getting back up is LIVING...





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problem sending sms from within a contact

2013-09-20 Thread Fanus
Hello list
When I open a contact and swipe to the right after the 
mobile field I get a field which says text and when 
swiping further there is a field which says notes. Where 
must I type the body of the sms?
Regards
Fanus

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question about displaying emails

2013-09-20 Thread Sandratomkins


Sent from my iPhone hi,
I have a small problem with the new update in my inbox I'm shown something like 
22,000 emails I've would like to go back to the just downloading 50 at that at 
a time does anyone know how to do this?
Sandy.

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Voice Over Audio Issue

2013-09-20 Thread Steve The Jazz Man
After upgrading to IOS-7, the speech coming out of the little speaker on the 
iPhone4 is now muffled and just does not sound good.  Plus, it's harder to 
understand.

I seem to recall in the past having to activate Compact voices to make things 
sound better.

Is this still an option and if so, how do you do it?

Steve

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RE: Bard Mobile is out

2013-09-20 Thread Lois Butterfield
I found it by putting in NLS.  It didn't work for me any other way.

Good luck.

Take care,
Lois


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Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:53 PM
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Subject: Re: Bard Mobile is out

I can't find it. Did a search for BARD, Bard mobile, and Library of
Congress.

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 Hi all,

 Just thought I'd let you know the Bard Mobile app is out. I found it on my
 iPod touch and will track down via browser.

 BARD mobile
 Library of congress

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Re: Voice Over Audio Issue

2013-09-20 Thread Mich
you can turn off compact voices and then you need to plug in your i phone to a 
power outlit and then download the high quollidey voices. hth. from Mich.
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  Subject: Voice Over Audio Issue


  After upgrading to IOS-7, the speech coming out of the little speaker on the 
iPhone4 is now muffled and just does not sound good.  Plus, it's harder to 
understand.

  I seem to recall in the past having to activate Compact voices to make things 
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  Is this still an option and if so, how do you do it?

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Re: Bard Mobile is out

2013-09-20 Thread Bob Hill
Hi all,

I just installed the BARD app, and was happily downloading books from the 
recently added page, and also searching for an author, and adding to the wish 
list, then downloading those titles.
No hiccups yet with either downloading or reading.!

Bob Hill


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Date: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:24 am
Subject: Re: Bard Mobile is out



 Got it ...  looks like they did an excellent job.  Within a few clicks had a 
 book and was reading...''Excellent job NLS!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:24 PM, Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Here is a link to the BARD Mobile app:
 
 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bard-mobile/id705229586?mt=8
 
 Chuck
 
 
 
 On Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:45:29 PM UTC-7, Joseph FreeTech wrote:
 Hi all, 
 
 Just thought I'd let you know the Bard Mobile app is out. I found it on my 
 iPod touch and will track down via browser. 
 
 BARD mobile 
 Library of congress 
 
 Joseph
 
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 Got it ...  looks like they did an excellent job.  Within a few clicks had a 
 book and was reading...''Excellent job NLS!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:24 PM, Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 
 Here is a link to the BARD Mobile app:
 
 
 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bard-mobile/id705229586?mt=8
 
 
 Chuck
 
 
 
 
 On Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:45:29 PM UTC-7, Joseph FreeTech wrote:
 Hi all, 
 
 Just thought I'd let you know the Bard Mobile app is out. I found it on my 
 iPod touch and will track down via browser. 
 
 BARD mobile 
 Library of congress 
 
 Joseph 
 
 
 
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nice ios (audio) game codename cygnus

2013-09-20 Thread Anouk Radix
Hello everyone,
There is an applevis podcast about this game. It is accessible and a sort of 
interactive audiodrama. I like it a lot.
Greetings, Anouk,

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Re: Question concerningn in iOS 7 and weather in notification Center

2013-09-20 Thread Pablo Morales
Well, when we had the notification center, 3 finggers down, the first line 
was the weather. Now we have to read bonches of things, until we get to 
weather and stoks. Also we have to do a lot of things just to open the 
weather. I don't like it.


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Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: Question concerningn in iOS 7 and weather in notification 
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I use the weather just a little while ago, and it works just fine. If you 
explain what kind of issue you're having, maybe I can help you.


Joseph Hudson
Email
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wrote:


wow, is a lot of job to open the weather. Is a way to change the order 
how appear those links?
I have to use the weather very often, and is a little bit annoying this 
long list of things that I don't need.
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Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Question concerningn in iOS 7 and weather in notification 
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To open the links in the notification center you have  double tap  and
hold on the links to open them  or use the rotor to switch it to links
to move by links then double tap on the links.


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Hello. I am trying to have the weather widget be in notification 
Center. Is
this possible? At the bottom of the notification Center, it says 
weather and
stock information brought to you by and there links. I am unable to 
double

tap on any of the links there. Can anyone help?
Thank you.

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Re: control center

2013-09-20 Thread David Chittenden
It is a slower single finger slide rather than a quick flick. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 20 Sep 2013, at 15:18, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 sieghard I cannot replicate your instructions to anna. I am not sure
 what I am doing wrong.
 
 On 9/19/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Hi Anna,
 
 You don't have to double tap or swipe with 3 fingers if you practice the
 following:
 
 For Notification Center:
 Touch the time just underneath the earpiece and hold for just a moment. You
 will hear a little double tone and if at that point you pull down with just
 that one finger you have on the screen Notification Center comes up.
 
 For Control Center:
 Touch whatever app you have in your dock in the middle just above the home
 key. Hold a moment and you hear that same double tone, now without lifting
 the finger swipe up with one finger jand the Control Center will come up.
 
 This is a close as it gets to simulating the gesture a sighted person would
 use for Notification and Control Center. I have gotten used to it by now
 and
 don't even use the 3-finger swipe any more.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 
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 Of Woody Anna Dresner
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 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: control center
 
 Hi,
 
 YOu can also double-tap and hold at the bottom of the screen and then slide
 your finger up. Either way brings up Control Center.
 
 Best,
 Anna
 
 
 
 On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:26 AM, Thom Spittle thom3...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Touch the top of the screen first to give the status bar focus.
 Then, when you do a 3 finger flick up, control center should be there.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of James Lockwood
 Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:05 AM
 To: iphone group
 Subject: control center
 
 I am not too happy with IOS7 myself. But, i have noticed, i am unable to
 get
 the control center to pup up with voice over on. when i flick upwards i
 just
 get the default ding sound. if i take voice over off, and flick upwards,
 then
 re-enable voice over, control center is then up. anyone else having this
 problem?
 
 
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Re: control center

2013-09-20 Thread Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
James et al,

I think the confusion is caused by the fact that in Settings/Control Centre the 
instruction is to simply swipe up from the bottom of the screen, there is no 
direction as to how to do this with Voice Over…

For me, I also couldn't make it work, until yesterday evening when I touched 
the top of the screen to hear the time, and did nothing else, Voice OVer then 
read the help tag which told me to swipe down for the Notification Centre and 
up for the Control Centre.

This is not in line with the generic text as to how to operate the Control 
Centre found in the Settings/Control Centre.

It would have been helpful if there had been a note to explain this, also, now 
we find that some of the folk that have had iOS7 a little longer in fact no of 
other, additional, work arounds and methods of bringing it up.

Essentially, you're not alone in being confused and now I've found it I find it 
of use to have those specific commands in one location.



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On 19 Sep 2013, at 16:04, James Lockwood lockwoo...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am not too happy with IOS7 myself. But, i have noticed, i am unable to get 
 the control centre to pup up with voice over on. when i flick upwards i just 
 get the default ding sound. if i take voice over off, and flick upwards, then 
 re-enable voice over, control centre is then up. anyone else having this 
 problem?
 
 
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Re: anyone else having issues while texting

2013-09-20 Thread shaf
Amy, I know of the issue you are having. It could possibly be a bug,
but basically for those who don't know: if you touch any text in the
edit field, your cursor will jump to where ever you touched. So the
only option you have is to use rotor settings and navigate by word
etc. Try not to touch the text, use swiping gestures to see what you
have written.


-Shaf

On 9/20/13, Brian Albriton autoharp...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've experienced this quirkiness while texting as well.


 On 9/19/13, Amy Beatty abodessa1...@gmail.com wrote:
 while texting if i accidentally touch up where the text is it will mess
 up
 what i am writing .
 i have experienced this in the past with messenger but never texting
 until
 the update .
 amy

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Re: Voice Over Audio Issue

2013-09-20 Thread Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
Steve,

The update will mean that you have to let your phone download and install the 
high quality synth file, this will only happen when your phone is locked, on 
charge and connected to WiFi, so do these three things and wait about 30 
minutes.



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On 20 Sep 2013, at 09:55, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:

 you can turn off compact voices and then you need to plug in your i phone to 
 a power outlit and then download the high quollidey voices. hth. from Mich.
 - Original Message -
 From: Steve The Jazz Man
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 4:30 AM
 Subject: Voice Over Audio Issue
 
 After upgrading to IOS-7, the speech coming out of the little speaker on the 
 iPhone4 is now muffled and just does not sound good.  Plus, it's harder to 
 understand.
  
 I seem to recall in the past having to activate Compact voices to make things 
 sound better.
  
 Is this still an option and if so, how do you do it?
  
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Re: The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids

2013-09-20 Thread Annie Skov Nielsen
Hi Jonathan.

I agree with you. I have some things to add.

I am using braille very much on my IPhone, because I am a braille user, I am 
not using speech very much.

to me it is also a problem, that there are no ways you can go to the next line 
with the left hand, and many keyboard commands such as VoiceOver search, has 
not been added to braille displays yet. This should have been fixed. We could 
do so much with our braille displays if apple would use the posibilities which 
our braille displays have.

Best regards Annie. 
Den Sep 20, 2013 kl. 10:10 AM skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org:

 Hi everyone, since I believe this is such a vital issue, and given that it is 
 100% on-topic for this list, I would like to paste below an entry I just 
 posted to my blog. I hope you enjoy it and that you'll give it some thought.
 
 People from all walks of life, not just blind people, can get extremely 
 partisan about their technology preferences. Anything their team does is 
 unquestionably wonderful, while anything another company does is rubbish, 
 simply by virtue of the fact that it’s the other guys who did it. If you 
 criticise the company such people support, you’ve committed heresy.
 As blind people, I don’t believe we have the luxury of being so childish. 
 Unemployment is high. Misconceptions abound regarding how capable we can be 
 in the workplace, and in society as a whole. We need to be open to all 
 solutions, and where possible, use the best mix of technology we can to be as 
 productive, functional and self-reliant as we can.
 To be clear, I have enormous admiration for the way Apple has changed the 
 game in assistive technology. When they released VoiceOver in 2009, I was 
 concerned that Apple might do just enough to get people off its back 
 regarding the inaccessibility of the iPhone. But that has not been the case. 
 With every release, Apple has added tangible enhancements such as alternative 
 forms of input, innovative ways for us to use the camera, and so much more. 
 So Apple’s commitment to accessibility is real, its ongoing, and it has 
 earned enormous praise and respect.
 Is there a “but” coming? Yes, there is, actually., because being grateful for 
 a product doesn’t mean we don’t have rights as paying consumers to point out 
 where a product falls short. But more than that, if Apple’s innovations risk 
 killing off a category of product, and the literacy of our kids is 
 threatened, we have a moral obligation to speak up constructively and ask 
 Apple to engage with us as a community about fixing the issue.
 The Internet is buzzing with reports of bugs in iOS 7. I’m not unduly 
 concerned about most of these, because I believe the majority of them will 
 come out in the wash. iOS 7 was a massive refactoring of the OS. I hope that 
 there’ll be fixes released steadily across the coming year.
 However, I am deeply troubled by Apple’s ongoing apparent failure to 
 understand what constitutes Braille support of an appropriate quality. We’re 
 not talking bugs in this case, we’re talking a fundamental user interface 
 failure – a feature not fully fit for purpose.
 Since Braille was introduced in iOS, it has supported contracted Braille in 
 English markets. This is a means by which space is saved, and speed 
 increased, by using a series of symbols and abbreviations. When one reads 
 contracted Braille in iOS, it works quite well. When one rights it, it is the 
 worst implementation of contracted input I’ve ever used on any device.
 Since its inception, if you input a letter in contracted Braille which would 
 be the abbreviation for a word if surrounded by spaces, iOS expands the word 
 it represents if you pause for a short time before inputting the next 
 character. For example, write “p” and it will quickly be expanded to the word 
 “people”. If you are proofing a document you’ve brailled and wish to insert a 
 letter in the middle of a word, you must preface the letter with a letter 
 sign, dots 5-6, to prevent it from being expanded. This is not in accordance 
 with the Braille code and is simply wrong.
 Apple must surely know about this poor implementation. It’s been talked about 
 in many forums, including an excellent presentation by Judy Dixon at the CSUN 
 Technology Conference on Persons with Disabilities. I, and I’m sure others, 
 have also raised it.
 It’s also evident that Apple knows about the issues, because to its credit, 
 it appears to at least have made an effort to try and fix the problem in iOS 
 7. It now offers an “Automatic Braille Translation” toggle. This feature is 
 so below par compared with most of the design of all other VoiceOver 
 features, that it must surely be the case that Apple is getting no advice, or 
 poor advice, from anyone actually using Braille in their daily life.
 When you toggle “Automatic Braille Translation” off, you can take as long as 
 you wish when inputting characters, and they’re not back-translated. Isn’t 
 that what we 

Re: Question about apps working with camera in IOS 7

2013-09-20 Thread Lisa Soulor
Thank you, Sieghard. I got the recent updates, and I've used the
camera alone fine. The apps open OK, but when I press camera nothing
happens.
In Christ, Lisa

On 9/19/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Hi Lisa,

 I am not sure why Tap Tap See and Camfind won't work for you. I have used
 both even with the iOS 7 Beta and they worked even then.

 Talking Goggles did not work in the Beta and I let Martinj, the developer
 know and they already released an update a few days before iOS 7 was
 publically released and it was working again. Make sure you have the latest
 updates of Tap Tap See and Camfind installed, both had updates recently.
 Also maybe ask a sighted person to check your camera. Last March I suddenly
 couldn't get any results with Digit Eyes and very poor results with Tap Tap
 See and it turned out that my 4S camera was apparently not functioning
 properly and did not focus. When I asked a sighted person to look I was
 told
 the image was totally blurry. Hopefully your hardware is OK, but both apps
 should work fine.


 Regards,
 Sieghard

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Re: nice ios (audio) game codename cygnus

2013-09-20 Thread goshawk on horseback
so do I, it is only a shame that so few episodes are actually available at 
the moment, so really looking forward to when more become available!

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: Anouk Radix radix.an...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:22 AM
Subject: nice ios (audio) game codename cygnus


Hello everyone,
There is an applevis podcast about this game. It is accessible and a sort of 
interactive audiodrama. I like it a lot.
Greetings, Anouk,

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Re: The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids

2013-09-20 Thread Jesper Holten
Hi Jonathan.
As always you are nailing things down very well. I fully agree and
support your writing. If we take this a step further and step outside
the English speaking contries. Braille implementation is even poorer
than what you describe.  No contractions in 8-dot braille, poor and
faulty back translation to name a few. In danish 8-dot braille is
being used also for contracted braille, and it ought too be supported
correctly by apple
I believe that using mainstream technologies especially as a visually
impaired kid is a wonderful and necessary thing, when it comes to a
good foundation for  a successful  integration into a sighted society.
Apple has really done lots to enable visually impaired young people to
use and understand mainstream technology.
But Braille is so important to literacy  that it cannot be
underestamiated, and therefore, if we are to continue to promote apple
products in conjunction with braille devices Apple has to step up its
efforts to solve the many braille issues.

Best regards,
Jesper Holten

On 9/20/13, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 Hi everyone, since I believe this is such a vital issue, and given that it
 is 100% on-topic for this list, I would like to paste below an entry I just
 posted to my blog. I hope you enjoy it and that you'll give it some
 thought.

 People from all walks of life, not just blind people, can get extremely
 partisan about their technology preferences. Anything their team does is
 unquestionably wonderful, while anything another company does is rubbish,
 simply by virtue of the fact that it’s the other guys who did it. If you
 criticise the company such people support, you’ve committed heresy.
 As blind people, I don’t believe we have the luxury of being so childish.
 Unemployment is high. Misconceptions abound regarding how capable we can be
 in the workplace, and in society as a whole. We need to be open to all
 solutions, and where possible, use the best mix of technology we can to be
 as productive, functional and self-reliant as we can.
 To be clear, I have enormous admiration for the way Apple has changed the
 game in assistive technology. When they released VoiceOver in 2009, I was
 concerned that Apple might do just enough to get people off its back
 regarding the inaccessibility of the iPhone. But that has not been the case.
 With every release, Apple has added tangible enhancements such as
 alternative forms of input, innovative ways for us to use the camera, and so
 much more. So Apple’s commitment to accessibility is real, its ongoing, and
 it has earned enormous praise and respect.
 Is there a “but” coming? Yes, there is, actually., because being grateful
 for a product doesn’t mean we don’t have rights as paying consumers to point
 out where a product falls short. But more than that, if Apple’s innovations
 risk killing off a category of product, and the literacy of our kids is
 threatened, we have a moral obligation to speak up constructively and ask
 Apple to engage with us as a community about fixing the issue.
 The Internet is buzzing with reports of bugs in iOS 7. I’m not unduly
 concerned about most of these, because I believe the majority of them will
 come out in the wash. iOS 7 was a massive refactoring of the OS. I hope that
 there’ll be fixes released steadily across the coming year.
 However, I am deeply troubled by Apple’s ongoing apparent failure to
 understand what constitutes Braille support of an appropriate quality. We’re
 not talking bugs in this case, we’re talking a fundamental user interface
 failure – a feature not fully fit for purpose.
 Since Braille was introduced in iOS, it has supported contracted Braille in
 English markets. This is a means by which space is saved, and speed
 increased, by using a series of symbols and abbreviations. When one reads
 contracted Braille in iOS, it works quite well. When one rights it, it is
 the worst implementation of contracted input I’ve ever used on any device.
 Since its inception, if you input a letter in contracted Braille which would
 be the abbreviation for a word if surrounded by spaces, iOS expands the word
 it represents if you pause for a short time before inputting the next
 character. For example, write “p” and it will quickly be expanded to the
 word “people”. If you are proofing a document you’ve brailled and wish to
 insert a letter in the middle of a word, you must preface the letter with a
 letter sign, dots 5-6, to prevent it from being expanded. This is not in
 accordance with the Braille code and is simply wrong.
 Apple must surely know about this poor implementation. It’s been talked
 about in many forums, including an excellent presentation by Judy Dixon at
 the CSUN Technology Conference on Persons with Disabilities. I, and I’m sure
 others, have also raised it.
 It’s also evident that Apple knows about the issues, because to its credit,
 it appears to at least have made an effort to try and fix the problem in iOS
 7. It now offers an 

RE: problem sending sms from within a contact

2013-09-20 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Fanus,

You have to find where it says Send Message, tap on that and the Messages
app will open and then you can swipe to the message field and type your
message.

Alternatively, you can open the Messages app, tap on Compose at the top
left, then start typing somebody's name and if that person is in your
Contacts you will find them in a list which progressively gets smaller the
more you type, you can double tap on any name in that search results list to
enter that person as the recipient and then type your message and send it.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Re: The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids

2013-09-20 Thread shaf
Absolutely agreed. I have forwarded your email to
accessibil...@apple.com. I'd suggest everybody else who cares about
this topic also does that--but write something in your own words too.


-Shaf

On 9/20/13, Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Jonathan.

 I agree with you. I have some things to add.

 I am using braille very much on my IPhone, because I am a braille user, I am
 not using speech very much.

 to me it is also a problem, that there are no ways you can go to the next
 line with the left hand, and many keyboard commands such as VoiceOver
 search, has not been added to braille displays yet. This should have been
 fixed. We could do so much with our braille displays if apple would use the
 posibilities which our braille displays have.

 Best regards Annie.
 Den Sep 20, 2013 kl. 10:10 AM skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org:

 Hi everyone, since I believe this is such a vital issue, and given that it
 is 100% on-topic for this list, I would like to paste below an entry I
 just posted to my blog. I hope you enjoy it and that you'll give it some
 thought.

 People from all walks of life, not just blind people, can get extremely
 partisan about their technology preferences. Anything their team does is
 unquestionably wonderful, while anything another company does is rubbish,
 simply by virtue of the fact that it’s the other guys who did it. If you
 criticise the company such people support, you’ve committed heresy.
 As blind people, I don’t believe we have the luxury of being so childish.
 Unemployment is high. Misconceptions abound regarding how capable we can
 be in the workplace, and in society as a whole. We need to be open to all
 solutions, and where possible, use the best mix of technology we can to be
 as productive, functional and self-reliant as we can.
 To be clear, I have enormous admiration for the way Apple has changed the
 game in assistive technology. When they released VoiceOver in 2009, I was
 concerned that Apple might do just enough to get people off its back
 regarding the inaccessibility of the iPhone. But that has not been the
 case. With every release, Apple has added tangible enhancements such as
 alternative forms of input, innovative ways for us to use the camera, and
 so much more. So Apple’s commitment to accessibility is real, its ongoing,
 and it has earned enormous praise and respect.
 Is there a “but” coming? Yes, there is, actually., because being grateful
 for a product doesn’t mean we don’t have rights as paying consumers to
 point out where a product falls short. But more than that, if Apple’s
 innovations risk killing off a category of product, and the literacy of
 our kids is threatened, we have a moral obligation to speak up
 constructively and ask Apple to engage with us as a community about fixing
 the issue.
 The Internet is buzzing with reports of bugs in iOS 7. I’m not unduly
 concerned about most of these, because I believe the majority of them will
 come out in the wash. iOS 7 was a massive refactoring of the OS. I hope
 that there’ll be fixes released steadily across the coming year.
 However, I am deeply troubled by Apple’s ongoing apparent failure to
 understand what constitutes Braille support of an appropriate quality.
 We’re not talking bugs in this case, we’re talking a fundamental user
 interface failure – a feature not fully fit for purpose.
 Since Braille was introduced in iOS, it has supported contracted Braille
 in English markets. This is a means by which space is saved, and speed
 increased, by using a series of symbols and abbreviations. When one reads
 contracted Braille in iOS, it works quite well. When one rights it, it is
 the worst implementation of contracted input I’ve ever used on any
 device.
 Since its inception, if you input a letter in contracted Braille which
 would be the abbreviation for a word if surrounded by spaces, iOS expands
 the word it represents if you pause for a short time before inputting the
 next character. For example, write “p” and it will quickly be expanded to
 the word “people”. If you are proofing a document you’ve brailled and wish
 to insert a letter in the middle of a word, you must preface the letter
 with a letter sign, dots 5-6, to prevent it from being expanded. This is
 not in accordance with the Braille code and is simply wrong.
 Apple must surely know about this poor implementation. It’s been talked
 about in many forums, including an excellent presentation by Judy Dixon at
 the CSUN Technology Conference on Persons with Disabilities. I, and I’m
 sure others, have also raised it.
 It’s also evident that Apple knows about the issues, because to its
 credit, it appears to at least have made an effort to try and fix the
 problem in iOS 7. It now offers an “Automatic Braille Translation” toggle.
 This feature is so below par compared with most of the design of all other
 VoiceOver features, that it must surely be the case that Apple is getting
 no advice, or poor advice, from 

RE: Question about apps working with camera in IOS 7

2013-09-20 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Lisa,

In case you haven't tried this, did you turn off your phone and start it up
again after updating to iOS 7? If not do so and see if that helps.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Lisa Soulor
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 2:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about apps working with camera in IOS 7

Thank you, Sieghard. I got the recent updates, and I've used the
camera alone fine. The apps open OK, but when I press camera nothing
happens.
In Christ, Lisa

On 9/19/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Hi Lisa,

 I am not sure why Tap Tap See and Camfind won't work for you. I have used
 both even with the iOS 7 Beta and they worked even then.

 Talking Goggles did not work in the Beta and I let Martinj, the developer
 know and they already released an update a few days before iOS 7 was
 publically released and it was working again. Make sure you have the
latest
 updates of Tap Tap See and Camfind installed, both had updates recently.
 Also maybe ask a sighted person to check your camera. Last March I
suddenly
 couldn't get any results with Digit Eyes and very poor results with Tap
Tap
 See and it turned out that my 4S camera was apparently not functioning
 properly and did not focus. When I asked a sighted person to look I was
 told
 the image was totally blurry. Hopefully your hardware is OK, but both apps
 should work fine.


 Regards,
 Sieghard

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Re: Voice Over Audio Issue

2013-09-20 Thread Steve The Jazz Man
Neil,

Thanks for the tip, but I'm not sure where to go to download the high quality 
voices?

I doubt it will automatically happen?

Steve

  - Original Message - 
  From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 4:45 AM
  Subject: Re: Voice Over Audio Issue


  Steve,


  The update will mean that you have to let your phone download and install the 
high quality synth file, this will only happen when your phone is locked, on 
charge and connected to WiFi, so do these three things and wait about 30 
minutes.






  Regards,


  Neil Barnfather


  Talks List Administrator
  Twitter @neilbarnfather


  TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
  accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com


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  On 20 Sep 2013, at 09:55, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:


you can turn off compact voices and then you need to plug in your i phone 
to a power outlit and then download the high quollidey voices. hth. from Mich.
  - Original Message -
  From: Steve The Jazz Man
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 4:30 AM
  Subject: Voice Over Audio Issue


  After upgrading to IOS-7, the speech coming out of the little speaker on 
the iPhone4 is now muffled and just does not sound good.  Plus, it's harder to 
understand.

  I seem to recall in the past having to activate Compact voices to make 
things sound better.

  Is this still an option and if so, how do you do it?

  Steve



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RE: New Spirit level feature part of iOS 7. Wow

2013-09-20 Thread Alex Stone
This is all very well, but when I want it to tell me whether my desk is
level, and it says -2 degrees, is my desk sloping to m y left or right? I'm
sure this is perfectly obvious visually, but doesn't make a lot of sense in
voiceover.
Cheers
Alex

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Thom Spittle
Sent: 19 September 2013 14:44
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Spirit level feature part of iOS 7. Wow

A spirit level tells you when something is level. 
If you lay your iPhone on it's long edge with the screen facing you, you get
a horizontal level.
If you hold the long edge of your iPhone against a wall, you're checking
vertical level.
And, if you lay your iphone on a table with the screen facing up, you are
using a plane level.
With any of these, your iPhone will tell you the amount of degrees that your
phone is off of horizontal, vertical level, or plane level.
So, let's say I place it on a picture frame, on edge, with the screen facing
me, and the level running. I can adust the frame until the iPhone level
tells me that it's at zero degrees. This would tell me that the picture
frame is level.
Do the same on shelving to check level from side to side, or from front to
back.

I hope this helps,
Thom

Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:17 AM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Pardon me for asking, but could you explain exactly what the spirit 
 level refers to? How would you use that in putting up shelves?
 
 Regards,
 Wayne
 
 On 9/19/13, Andy Lane andylanesem...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all, has anyone noticed the new spirit level feature in compass app???
 Previously compass was just a compass but now if you 3 finger swipe 
 to the second page, you get a spirit level which is very accurate indeed.
 Unfortunately it doesn't do less than 1 degree resolution which would 
 be even better but the accuracy is good enough for putting up 
 shelves, levelling pictures etc.  It also works on 2 axis 
 simultaneously.  Very impressive.  On a negative note though the 
 compass app doesn't seem to read out headings anymore so great we got 
 spirit level but not so great they seem to have broke the compass.  
 Hopefully I am wrong and doing something incorrectly or they fix it 
 very quickly.  Also very disappointed the Safari bug where focus 
 jumps around is still there.  I think that is the worst bug iOS 
 currently has for a VO user as some websites become completely unusable.
 
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Re: Question about apps working with camera in IOS 7

2013-09-20 Thread Earle
I don't think this is a problem with your device.  I've been having a problem 
with both of those apps ever since Beta 6 of iOS 7.  It persisted through the 
GM version as well.  I have the latest updates to both apps but the issues 
still persist.
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On 2013-09-19, at 4:22 PM, Lisa Soulor hisgrace...@gmail.com wrote:

 Forgive me if this has been covered, but I tried to use Tap Tap See
 and Camfind after upgrading to IOS 7 and they would not work. I
 understand some apps will not work with it, but I just wondered if
 there was some setting I needed to adjust before using them. For the
 most part, I've found other apps work great, and I'm really pleased
 with all the new features.
 Thank you for your help.
 In Christ, Lisa
 
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Re: The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids

2013-09-20 Thread Carol Pearson
Jonathan, Annie and all,


I agree totally with your sentiments, but do feel that, along with suggestions 
so far, there needs to be a big push for schools to keep it a priority for 
children to learn thoroughlyand use braille every day.

My gut feeling is that Apple really does need to call upon the resources of 
those who are experts in this field. Idon't believe they can really achieve the 
kind of excellence we require without such expertise. In other words, if they 
do not employ an expert who already has a very good knowledge of braille and 
the way things work, they need to outsource some of this work.

They certainly need to be listening to us on this matter.
Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

On 20 Sep 2013, at 10:50 am, Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Hi Jonathan.

I agree with you. I have some things to add.

I am using braille very much on my IPhone, because I am a braille user, I am 
not using speech very much.

to me it is also a problem, that there are no ways you can go to the next line 
with the left hand, and many keyboard commands such as VoiceOver search, has 
not been added to braille displays yet. This should have been fixed. We could 
do so much with our braille displays if apple would use the posibilities which 
our braille displays have.

Best regards Annie. 
 Den Sep 20, 2013 kl. 10:10 AM skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org:
 
 Hi everyone, since I believe this is such a vital issue, and given that it is 
 100% on-topic for this list, I would like to paste below an entry I just 
 posted to my blog. I hope you enjoy it and that you'll give it some thought.
 
 People from all walks of life, not just blind people, can get extremely 
 partisan about their technology preferences. Anything their team does is 
 unquestionably wonderful, while anything another company does is rubbish, 
 simply by virtue of the fact that it’s the other guys who did it. If you 
 criticise the company such people support, you’ve committed heresy.
 As blind people, I don’t believe we have the luxury of being so childish. 
 Unemployment is high. Misconceptions abound regarding how capable we can be 
 in the workplace, and in society as a whole. We need to be open to all 
 solutions, and where possible, use the best mix of technology we can to be as 
 productive, functional and self-reliant as we can.
 To be clear, I have enormous admiration for the way Apple has changed the 
 game in assistive technology. When they released VoiceOver in 2009, I was 
 concerned that Apple might do just enough to get people off its back 
 regarding the inaccessibility of the iPhone. But that has not been the case. 
 With every release, Apple has added tangible enhancements such as alternative 
 forms of input, innovative ways for us to use the camera, and so much more. 
 So Apple’s commitment to accessibility is real, its ongoing, and it has 
 earned enormous praise and respect.
 Is there a “but” coming? Yes, there is, actually., because being grateful for 
 a product doesn’t mean we don’t have rights as paying consumers to point out 
 where a product falls short. But more than that, if Apple’s innovations risk 
 killing off a category of product, and the literacy of our kids is 
 threatened, we have a moral obligation to speak up constructively and ask 
 Apple to engage with us as a community about fixing the issue.
 The Internet is buzzing with reports of bugs in iOS 7. I’m not unduly 
 concerned about most of these, because I believe the majority of them will 
 come out in the wash. iOS 7 was a massive refactoring of the OS. I hope that 
 there’ll be fixes released steadily across the coming year.
 However, I am deeply troubled by Apple’s ongoing apparent failure to 
 understand what constitutes Braille support of an appropriate quality. We’re 
 not talking bugs in this case, we’re talking a fundamental user interface 
 failure – a feature not fully fit for purpose.
 Since Braille was introduced in iOS, it has supported contracted Braille in 
 English markets. This is a means by which space is saved, and speed 
 increased, by using a series of symbols and abbreviations. When one reads 
 contracted Braille in iOS, it works quite well. When one rights it, it is the 
 worst implementation of contracted input I’ve ever used on any device.
 Since its inception, if you input a letter in contracted Braille which would 
 be the abbreviation for a word if surrounded by spaces, iOS expands the word 
 it represents if you pause for a short time before inputting the next 
 character. For example, write “p” and it will quickly be expanded to the word 
 “people”. If you are proofing a document you’ve brailled and wish to insert a 
 letter in the middle of a word, you must preface the letter with a letter 
 sign, dots 5-6, to prevent it from being expanded. This is not in accordance 
 with the Braille code and is simply wrong.
 Apple must surely know about this poor implementation. It’s been talked about 
 

Re: Bard Mobile is out

2013-09-20 Thread Jenifer Barr
Hi. I cant figure out how to search this ap for a spicific author or book. What 
am i doing wrong?

Jenifer Barr
Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:55 PM, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You're welcome! I just started reading my first book. Everyone will be very 
 happy!
 
 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
 On Sep 19, 2013, at 8:52 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Thanks for the heads up.  I just downloaded it. :)
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:45 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Just thought I'd let you know the Bard Mobile app is out. I found it on my 
 iPod touch and will track down via browser.
 
 BARD mobile
 Library of congress
 
 Joseph
 
 
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Re: The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids

2013-09-20 Thread David Chittenden
I know my thoughts on this topic are in the extreme minority. I grew up 
learning braille. Fortunately, my mother also insisted I learn print, and 
taught me using plastic letter magnets.

My first notetaker was a Braille 'n Speak 640. I used it for taking notes in 
university training courses. Because I was also a heavy BBSer, I taught myself 
computer braille and used that equipment with a dial-up modem. So, I wrote all 
my notes in computer braille.

Since then, I have found Apple's automatic braille translation to be one of the 
best I have worked with. It actually permits me to write in my mixture of grade 
II UEB and spell out parts of words. Sometimes, I use automatic translation to 
shortcut my writing of words since everything is properly stored in computer 
text. In fact, I used my iPhone and braille display to teach myself UEB by 
writing words in computer braille and then using 1 2 4 5 chord to display the 
word in grade II.

My method of writing in braille permits me the best of both worlds when using 
Apple's automatic braille translation.

Language is always fluid. Fonts change and adjust over time. Words are added to 
languages regularly. 

In my opinion, we should be teaching blind children print using tactile 
letters, numbers, and punctuation marks. We should also teach them braille, 
starting with computer braille, and finally, grade II braille. This would 
follow the print training of print followed by shorthand. Not teaching blind 
children computer braille is as much a disservice as not teaching them any 
braille. Amongst other things, learning computer braille will teach the concept 
that uppercase letters and lowercase letters are two completely different 
things (a fact that many blind braille readers do not seem to grasp).

So, I say, Yes, we must think of the blind children. We must change our 
teaching of braille skills so that the children learn, at an early age, how 
truly flexible braille actually is. We need to correct the extremely poor 
spelling that so many braille learners acquire through working from earliest 
days with grade II braille (I count myself in this crowd, by the way, and did 
not start improving my spelling until I started working in computer braille). 
In other words we must teach our children to be fully proficient in computer 
braille and tactile print letters before anything else. And, because the 
primary mode is becoming computer / iDevice and braille display, the large size 
of braille and spelling out words is no longer an impediment to reading proper 
computer braille text. This will help our blind children to better compete in 
all aspects of literate life, including work.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 20 Sep 2013, at 20:10, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 Hi everyone, since I believe this is such a vital issue, and given that it is 
 100% on-topic for this list, I would like to paste below an entry I just 
 posted to my blog. I hope you enjoy it and that you'll give it some thought.
 
 People from all walks of life, not just blind people, can get extremely 
 partisan about their technology preferences. Anything their team does is 
 unquestionably wonderful, while anything another company does is rubbish, 
 simply by virtue of the fact that it’s the other guys who did it. If you 
 criticise the company such people support, you’ve committed heresy.
 As blind people, I don’t believe we have the luxury of being so childish. 
 Unemployment is high. Misconceptions abound regarding how capable we can be 
 in the workplace, and in society as a whole. We need to be open to all 
 solutions, and where possible, use the best mix of technology we can to be as 
 productive, functional and self-reliant as we can.
 To be clear, I have enormous admiration for the way Apple has changed the 
 game in assistive technology. When they released VoiceOver in 2009, I was 
 concerned that Apple might do just enough to get people off its back 
 regarding the inaccessibility of the iPhone. But that has not been the case. 
 With every release, Apple has added tangible enhancements such as alternative 
 forms of input, innovative ways for us to use the camera, and so much more. 
 So Apple’s commitment to accessibility is real, its ongoing, and it has 
 earned enormous praise and respect.
 Is there a “but” coming? Yes, there is, actually., because being grateful for 
 a product doesn’t mean we don’t have rights as paying consumers to point out 
 where a product falls short. But more than that, if Apple’s innovations risk 
 killing off a category of product, and the literacy of our kids is 
 threatened, we have a moral obligation to speak up constructively and ask 
 Apple to engage with us as a community about fixing the issue.
 The Internet is buzzing with reports of bugs in iOS 7. I’m not unduly 
 concerned about most of these, because I believe the majority of them will 
 come out in the 

Ringing volume in Ios7

2013-09-20 Thread Kerie Doyle
Hi all
Just wondering is anyone else experienceing this issue.
Under Ios7, my ringtone volume seems to be incredibly low, so much so
that I fear that I would not be able to hear it if I was out, and I'm
just wondering is anyone else having this problem, and can anyone
think of a way to fix it?
I turned off VO, and had someone ring my phone and it was the same so
I fear this is not a VO issue, but an IOS one.
Really hope can get this sorted sooner rather than later, as it's
quite annoying
Thanks

P.S ringer volume is at 100 percent, and change with buttons is off.
Kerie

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Re: The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids

2013-09-20 Thread David Chittenden
Actually, we need to change all braille to computer braille. This way, we 
become better able to match our sighted peers. Our spelling will dramatically 
improve, and we will experience text much more the way sighted people 
experience it.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 20 Sep 2013, at 22:36, Carol Pearson carol.pearso...@googlemail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Jonathan, Annie and all,
 
 
 I agree totally with your sentiments, but do feel that, along with 
 suggestions so far, there needs to be a big push for schools to keep it a 
 priority for children to learn thoroughlyand use braille every day.
 
 My gut feeling is that Apple really does need to call upon the resources of 
 those who are experts in this field. Idon't believe they can really achieve 
 the kind of excellence we require without such expertise. In other words, if 
 they do not employ an expert who already has a very good knowledge of braille 
 and the way things work, they need to outsource some of this work.
 
 They certainly need to be listening to us on this matter.
 Carol P
 Sent from my iPhone using MBraille
 
 On 20 Sep 2013, at 10:50 am, Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Jonathan.
 
 I agree with you. I have some things to add.
 
 I am using braille very much on my IPhone, because I am a braille user, I am 
 not using speech very much.
 
 to me it is also a problem, that there are no ways you can go to the next 
 line with the left hand, and many keyboard commands such as VoiceOver search, 
 has not been added to braille displays yet. This should have been fixed. We 
 could do so much with our braille displays if apple would use the 
 posibilities which our braille displays have.
 
 Best regards Annie. 
 Den Sep 20, 2013 kl. 10:10 AM skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org:
 
 Hi everyone, since I believe this is such a vital issue, and given that it 
 is 100% on-topic for this list, I would like to paste below an entry I just 
 posted to my blog. I hope you enjoy it and that you'll give it some thought.
 
 People from all walks of life, not just blind people, can get extremely 
 partisan about their technology preferences. Anything their team does is 
 unquestionably wonderful, while anything another company does is rubbish, 
 simply by virtue of the fact that it’s the other guys who did it. If you 
 criticise the company such people support, you’ve committed heresy.
 As blind people, I don’t believe we have the luxury of being so childish. 
 Unemployment is high. Misconceptions abound regarding how capable we can be 
 in the workplace, and in society as a whole. We need to be open to all 
 solutions, and where possible, use the best mix of technology we can to be 
 as productive, functional and self-reliant as we can.
 To be clear, I have enormous admiration for the way Apple has changed the 
 game in assistive technology. When they released VoiceOver in 2009, I was 
 concerned that Apple might do just enough to get people off its back 
 regarding the inaccessibility of the iPhone. But that has not been the case. 
 With every release, Apple has added tangible enhancements such as 
 alternative forms of input, innovative ways for us to use the camera, and so 
 much more. So Apple’s commitment to accessibility is real, its ongoing, and 
 it has earned enormous praise and respect.
 Is there a “but” coming? Yes, there is, actually., because being grateful 
 for a product doesn’t mean we don’t have rights as paying consumers to point 
 out where a product falls short. But more than that, if Apple’s innovations 
 risk killing off a category of product, and the literacy of our kids is 
 threatened, we have a moral obligation to speak up constructively and ask 
 Apple to engage with us as a community about fixing the issue.
 The Internet is buzzing with reports of bugs in iOS 7. I’m not unduly 
 concerned about most of these, because I believe the majority of them will 
 come out in the wash. iOS 7 was a massive refactoring of the OS. I hope that 
 there’ll be fixes released steadily across the coming year.
 However, I am deeply troubled by Apple’s ongoing apparent failure to 
 understand what constitutes Braille support of an appropriate quality. We’re 
 not talking bugs in this case, we’re talking a fundamental user interface 
 failure – a feature not fully fit for purpose.
 Since Braille was introduced in iOS, it has supported contracted Braille in 
 English markets. This is a means by which space is saved, and speed 
 increased, by using a series of symbols and abbreviations. When one reads 
 contracted Braille in iOS, it works quite well. When one rights it, it is 
 the worst implementation of contracted input I’ve ever used on any device.
 Since its inception, if you input a letter in contracted Braille which would 
 be the abbreviation for a word if surrounded by spaces, iOS expands the word 
 it represents if you pause for a short time 

Re: Question about apps working with camera in IOS 7

2013-09-20 Thread Lisa Soulor
Yes, I probably should have thought of doing that! :-) I did it this
morning and got Tap Tap See to take one picture, but isn't doing
recognition. It seemed to freeze up after taking the picture.


On 9/20/13, Earle e.zwic...@sympatico.ca wrote:
 I don't think this is a problem with your device.  I've been having a
 problem with both of those apps ever since Beta 6 of iOS 7.  It persisted
 through the GM version as well.  I have the latest updates to both apps but
 the issues still persist.
 --
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 Aim:  rowdyamerican28

 On 2013-09-19, at 4:22 PM, Lisa Soulor hisgrace...@gmail.com wrote:

 Forgive me if this has been covered, but I tried to use Tap Tap See
 and Camfind after upgrading to IOS 7 and they would not work. I
 understand some apps will not work with it, but I just wondered if
 there was some setting I needed to adjust before using them. For the
 most part, I've found other apps work great, and I'm really pleased
 with all the new features.
 Thank you for your help.
 In Christ, Lisa

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Re: The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids

2013-09-20 Thread Isaac Hebert
Yes we should change all braille to computer braille.

On 9/20/13, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
 Actually, we need to change all braille to computer braille. This way, we
 become better able to match our sighted peers. Our spelling will
 dramatically improve, and we will experience text much more the way sighted
 people experience it.

 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone

 On 20 Sep 2013, at 22:36, Carol Pearson carol.pearso...@googlemail.com
 wrote:

 Jonathan, Annie and all,


 I agree totally with your sentiments, but do feel that, along with
 suggestions so far, there needs to be a big push for schools to keep it a
 priority for children to learn thoroughlyand use braille every day.

 My gut feeling is that Apple really does need to call upon the resources
 of those who are experts in this field. Idon't believe they can really
 achieve the kind of excellence we require without such expertise. In other
 words, if they do not employ an expert who already has a very good
 knowledge of braille and the way things work, they need to outsource some
 of this work.

 They certainly need to be listening to us on this matter.
 Carol P
 Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

 On 20 Sep 2013, at 10:50 am, Annie Skov Nielsen
 annieskovniel...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Jonathan.

 I agree with you. I have some things to add.

 I am using braille very much on my IPhone, because I am a braille user, I
 am not using speech very much.

 to me it is also a problem, that there are no ways you can go to the next
 line with the left hand, and many keyboard commands such as VoiceOver
 search, has not been added to braille displays yet. This should have been
 fixed. We could do so much with our braille displays if apple would use
 the posibilities which our braille displays have.

 Best regards Annie.
 Den Sep 20, 2013 kl. 10:10 AM skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org:

 Hi everyone, since I believe this is such a vital issue, and given that
 it is 100% on-topic for this list, I would like to paste below an entry I
 just posted to my blog. I hope you enjoy it and that you'll give it some
 thought.

 People from all walks of life, not just blind people, can get extremely
 partisan about their technology preferences. Anything their team does is
 unquestionably wonderful, while anything another company does is rubbish,
 simply by virtue of the fact that it’s the other guys who did it. If you
 criticise the company such people support, you’ve committed heresy.
 As blind people, I don’t believe we have the luxury of being so childish.
 Unemployment is high. Misconceptions abound regarding how capable we can
 be in the workplace, and in society as a whole. We need to be open to all
 solutions, and where possible, use the best mix of technology we can to
 be as productive, functional and self-reliant as we can.
 To be clear, I have enormous admiration for the way Apple has changed the
 game in assistive technology. When they released VoiceOver in 2009, I was
 concerned that Apple might do just enough to get people off its back
 regarding the inaccessibility of the iPhone. But that has not been the
 case. With every release, Apple has added tangible enhancements such as
 alternative forms of input, innovative ways for us to use the camera, and
 so much more. So Apple’s commitment to accessibility is real, its
 ongoing, and it has earned enormous praise and respect.
 Is there a “but” coming? Yes, there is, actually., because being grateful
 for a product doesn’t mean we don’t have rights as paying consumers to
 point out where a product falls short. But more than that, if Apple’s
 innovations risk killing off a category of product, and the literacy of
 our kids is threatened, we have a moral obligation to speak up
 constructively and ask Apple to engage with us as a community about
 fixing the issue.
 The Internet is buzzing with reports of bugs in iOS 7. I’m not unduly
 concerned about most of these, because I believe the majority of them
 will come out in the wash. iOS 7 was a massive refactoring of the OS. I
 hope that there’ll be fixes released steadily across the coming year.
 However, I am deeply troubled by Apple’s ongoing apparent failure to
 understand what constitutes Braille support of an appropriate quality.
 We’re not talking bugs in this case, we’re talking a fundamental user
 interface failure – a feature not fully fit for purpose.
 Since Braille was introduced in iOS, it has supported contracted Braille
 in English markets. This is a means by which space is saved, and speed
 increased, by using a series of symbols and abbreviations. When one reads
 contracted Braille in iOS, it works quite well. When one rights it, it is
 the worst implementation of contracted input I’ve ever used on any
 device.
 Since its inception, if you input a letter in contracted Braille which
 would be the abbreviation for a word if surrounded by spaces, iOS 

Re: The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids

2013-09-20 Thread Joanne Chua
Hi all

Good article JM. However, i don't see how it will get fix if there are
different versions of Braille available. Just say English Braille
itself, how many varians itself in English Braille? Even UEB itself
can be different from different country.

I do agree with David C though, i think the way to move forward for
the future generation is to encourage computer braille from school age
as much as grade 1 and 2 braille.

Unless we can standardise braille, (at least english braille) to start
with, i don't see how it will work in the long run.

regards
Joanne

On 20/09/2013, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
 Actually, we need to change all braille to computer braille. This way, we
 become better able to match our sighted peers. Our spelling will
 dramatically improve, and we will experience text much more the way sighted
 people experience it.

 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone

 On 20 Sep 2013, at 22:36, Carol Pearson carol.pearso...@googlemail.com
 wrote:

 Jonathan, Annie and all,


 I agree totally with your sentiments, but do feel that, along with
 suggestions so far, there needs to be a big push for schools to keep it a
 priority for children to learn thoroughlyand use braille every day.

 My gut feeling is that Apple really does need to call upon the resources
 of those who are experts in this field. Idon't believe they can really
 achieve the kind of excellence we require without such expertise. In other
 words, if they do not employ an expert who already has a very good
 knowledge of braille and the way things work, they need to outsource some
 of this work.

 They certainly need to be listening to us on this matter.
 Carol P
 Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

 On 20 Sep 2013, at 10:50 am, Annie Skov Nielsen
 annieskovniel...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Jonathan.

 I agree with you. I have some things to add.

 I am using braille very much on my IPhone, because I am a braille user, I
 am not using speech very much.

 to me it is also a problem, that there are no ways you can go to the next
 line with the left hand, and many keyboard commands such as VoiceOver
 search, has not been added to braille displays yet. This should have been
 fixed. We could do so much with our braille displays if apple would use
 the posibilities which our braille displays have.

 Best regards Annie.
 Den Sep 20, 2013 kl. 10:10 AM skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org:

 Hi everyone, since I believe this is such a vital issue, and given that
 it is 100% on-topic for this list, I would like to paste below an entry I
 just posted to my blog. I hope you enjoy it and that you'll give it some
 thought.

 People from all walks of life, not just blind people, can get extremely
 partisan about their technology preferences. Anything their team does is
 unquestionably wonderful, while anything another company does is rubbish,
 simply by virtue of the fact that it’s the other guys who did it. If you
 criticise the company such people support, you’ve committed heresy.
 As blind people, I don’t believe we have the luxury of being so childish.
 Unemployment is high. Misconceptions abound regarding how capable we can
 be in the workplace, and in society as a whole. We need to be open to all
 solutions, and where possible, use the best mix of technology we can to
 be as productive, functional and self-reliant as we can.
 To be clear, I have enormous admiration for the way Apple has changed the
 game in assistive technology. When they released VoiceOver in 2009, I was
 concerned that Apple might do just enough to get people off its back
 regarding the inaccessibility of the iPhone. But that has not been the
 case. With every release, Apple has added tangible enhancements such as
 alternative forms of input, innovative ways for us to use the camera, and
 so much more. So Apple’s commitment to accessibility is real, its
 ongoing, and it has earned enormous praise and respect.
 Is there a “but” coming? Yes, there is, actually., because being grateful
 for a product doesn’t mean we don’t have rights as paying consumers to
 point out where a product falls short. But more than that, if Apple’s
 innovations risk killing off a category of product, and the literacy of
 our kids is threatened, we have a moral obligation to speak up
 constructively and ask Apple to engage with us as a community about
 fixing the issue.
 The Internet is buzzing with reports of bugs in iOS 7. I’m not unduly
 concerned about most of these, because I believe the majority of them
 will come out in the wash. iOS 7 was a massive refactoring of the OS. I
 hope that there’ll be fixes released steadily across the coming year.
 However, I am deeply troubled by Apple’s ongoing apparent failure to
 understand what constitutes Braille support of an appropriate quality.
 We’re not talking bugs in this case, we’re talking a fundamental user
 interface failure – a feature not fully fit for purpose.
 

Re: Ringing volume in Ios7

2013-09-20 Thread Isaac Hebert
Do you have the volume on the ringer turned up how high do you have
the volume on the ringer?

On 9/20/13, Kerie Doyle kerie.doyle1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all
 Just wondering is anyone else experienceing this issue.
 Under Ios7, my ringtone volume seems to be incredibly low, so much so
 that I fear that I would not be able to hear it if I was out, and I'm
 just wondering is anyone else having this problem, and can anyone
 think of a way to fix it?
 I turned off VO, and had someone ring my phone and it was the same so
 I fear this is not a VO issue, but an IOS one.
 Really hope can get this sorted sooner rather than later, as it's
 quite annoying
 Thanks

 P.S ringer volume is at 100 percent, and change with buttons is off.
 Kerie

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Re: Ringing volume in Ios7

2013-09-20 Thread Kerie Doyle
Hi Izac
Like I said, ringer volume is 100 percent and change with buttons is off.
Am I the only one having this issue? :(
Kerie

Sent from my iPhone

 On 20 Sep 2013, at 11:53, Isaac Hebert isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do you have the volume on the ringer turned up how high do you have
 the volume on the ringer?

 On 9/20/13, Kerie Doyle kerie.doyle1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all
 Just wondering is anyone else experienceing this issue.
 Under Ios7, my ringtone volume seems to be incredibly low, so much so
 that I fear that I would not be able to hear it if I was out, and I'm
 just wondering is anyone else having this problem, and can anyone
 think of a way to fix it?
 I turned off VO, and had someone ring my phone and it was the same so
 I fear this is not a VO issue, but an IOS one.
 Really hope can get this sorted sooner rather than later, as it's
 quite annoying
 Thanks

 P.S ringer volume is at 100 percent, and change with buttons is off.
 Kerie

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Re: iOS 7 and Voice Control

2013-09-20 Thread Chris H

No because Siri requires a data connection whereas Voice Control doesn't.

On 20/09/2013 02:31, DJ wrote:

Isn't that just using Siri to perform those tasks?  If Siri was turned off,
wouldn't voice control not be available?

DJ


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Of Alan Paganelli
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Subject: Re: iOS 7 and Voice Control

It appears to be working just fine.  I asked, what time is it?  Voice Over
came back with the correct time.  I then asked voice control to call my home

phone. giving the number.  Perfect!  It appears to be working fine.  I
should say too that I use a bluetooth ear peace which has a better mike then

just holding the iPhone 4 in my hand.
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Regards,

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Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

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website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:13 PM
Subject: iOS 7 and Voice Control



This is just a shot, but how well is Voice Control working in iOS 7? This
is basically siri without the bells and whistles and is the only option on



a non-siri device. I imagine it's available on Siri devices too, but only
if Siri is set to off.

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Re: only app on a page

2013-09-20 Thread Jack Conti
well had that here, and after the threat grin  now i see my apps 
are in alphabetical order wich i don't mind.At 06:13 PM 9/19/2013, you wrote:
I had the same thing happen to me but the good news is, it's easy 
enough to fix.


1 open settings.
2 go to general
3 go to reset.
4 select reset home screen layout and double tap that.  You'll be 
prompted with the ubiquitous Dior warning that things will change 
bla-bla-bla. Double tap on reset and back out and all should be as they were.


HTH

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- Original Message - From: May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:24 PM
Subject: only app on a page



Good evening.

Ok, well, here's my question.

Since doing the update I have one app that appears on a page by 
itself, in this case it's the passbook. I tried moving it but it 
just sticks another on that page. Is there a way to fix this?


Like I have the normal, message, calendar, weather and all that on 
page one, then passbook is on page 2 by itself, then contacts, 
videos and so on on page 3.


May and Prince Noah
www.canadianlynx.ca

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Re: Bard Mobile is out

2013-09-20 Thread MamaPeach
Go to the tab labelled Get Books. Then flick until you hear Browse Bard. Go 
to the heading labelled Find Books. Then simply flick twice to find the edit 
field to type in a title, author, etc. After typing in what you want to 
search for, double tap the search button in the bottom right hand corner.


-Original Message- 
From: Jenifer Barr

Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 6:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bard Mobile is out

Hi. I cant figure out how to search this ap for a spicific author or book. 
What am i doing wrong?


Jenifer Barr
Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:55 PM, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote:

You're welcome! I just started reading my first book. Everyone will be 
very happy!


Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.


On Sep 19, 2013, at 8:52 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

Thanks for the heads up.  I just downloaded it. :)

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:45 PM, Joseph FreeTech 
joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi all,

Just thought I'd let you know the Bard Mobile app is out. I found it on 
my

iPod touch and will track down via browser.

BARD mobile
Library of congress

Joseph


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Re: Bard Mobile is out

2013-09-20 Thread Jenifer Barr
Thank you so much! I apologize for the question. :)

Jenifer Barr
Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 20, 2013, at 7:15 AM, MamaPeach mamape...@charter.net wrote:
 
 Go to the tab labelled Get Books. Then flick until you hear Browse Bard. Go 
 to the heading labelled Find Books. Then simply flick twice to find the edit 
 field to type in a title, author, etc. After typing in what you want to 
 search for, double tap the search button in the bottom right hand corner.
 
 -Original Message- From: Jenifer Barr
 Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 6:37 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Bard Mobile is out
 
 Hi. I cant figure out how to search this ap for a spicific author or book. 
 What am i doing wrong?
 
 Jenifer Barr
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:55 PM, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You're welcome! I just started reading my first book. Everyone will be very 
 happy!
 
 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
 On Sep 19, 2013, at 8:52 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Thanks for the heads up.  I just downloaded it. :)
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:45 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Just thought I'd let you know the Bard Mobile app is out. I found it on my
 iPod touch and will track down via browser.
 
 BARD mobile
 Library of congress
 
 Joseph
 
 
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Bard Mobile is Out

2013-09-20 Thread Patti Johnson
I have tried so many variables on this search and keep getting the No 
Results answer.
I don't understand why I can't search vfor this app in the app store and 
find it.

Surely I don't have to go to the browser and get it that way.
I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
Patti

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Re: Voice Over Audio Issue

2013-09-20 Thread MamaPeach
Do the following:
Double tap on Settings
Double tap on General
Double tap on Accessibility
Double tap on VoiceOver
Double tap on Languages  Dialects
Flick to the language of your choice
Flick once more and double tap on More Info
Make sure Enhanced Quality is On.

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Re: Bard Mobile is Out

2013-09-20 Thread MamaPeach
I had trouble at First. Do a search for BARD Mobile or the developer Library 
of Congress


-Original Message- 
From: Patti Johnson

Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 7:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Bard Mobile is Out

I have tried so many variables on this search and keep getting the No
Results answer.
I don't understand why I can't search vfor this app in the app store and
find it.
Surely I don't have to go to the browser and get it that way.
I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
Patti

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Re: Ringing volume in Ios7

2013-09-20 Thread David Chittenden
Whilst your iPhone is ringing, change the ringer volume by pressing the up and 
down arrows.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 20 Sep 2013, at 22:41, Kerie Doyle kerie.doyle1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all
 Just wondering is anyone else experienceing this issue.
 Under Ios7, my ringtone volume seems to be incredibly low, so much so
 that I fear that I would not be able to hear it if I was out, and I'm
 just wondering is anyone else having this problem, and can anyone
 think of a way to fix it?
 I turned off VO, and had someone ring my phone and it was the same so
 I fear this is not a VO issue, but an IOS one.
 Really hope can get this sorted sooner rather than later, as it's
 quite annoying
 Thanks
 
 P.S ringer volume is at 100 percent, and change with buttons is off.
 Kerie
 
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Re: Bard Mobile is Out

2013-09-20 Thread Ann Byrne
Remember to double-tap the search button.  You get results without 
doing that, but you will get more results if you do.

At 06:21 AM 9/20/2013, you wrote:
I have tried so many variables on this search and keep getting the 
No Results answer.
I don't understand why I can't search vfor this app in the app store 
and find it.

Surely I don't have to go to the browser and get it that way.
I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
Patti

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Re: Voice Over Audio Issue

2013-09-20 Thread David Chittenden
What I have discovered is it is necessary to double-tap enhanced voice button 
to switch it off, then double-tap it again to switch it on. Now, it will start 
the download process for that particular enhanced voice.

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Sent from my iPhone

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Re: background and refresh

2013-09-20 Thread Chris H
To see if Find My iPhone is on go to settings, iCloud. You can also 
check settings, privacy, location services.


On 19/09/2013 13:59, Paul Ferrara wrote:

All, what exactly is this backbround and refresh under settings, general?

Also where do you check to see if Find My iPhone is running?

Thanks.

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Re: Bard Mobile is out

2013-09-20 Thread Jenifer Barr
Hi.
You have to be connected to Wi-Fi to download? I keep getting a failed message. 
Saying that I'm not connect to the network. Or my connection timed out. I have 
five of five bars.

Jenifer Barr
Sent from my iPhone

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 Hi all,
 
 Just thought I'd let you know the Bard Mobile app is out. I found it on my 
 iPod touch and will track down via browser.
 
 BARD mobile
 Library of congress
 
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dash and underscore

2013-09-20 Thread bj colt

.

Hi List,

This may seem a trivial question but at the moment I am unable to find the dash 
in my iphone 












   

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Re: IOS 7 visual issues and a couple comments

2013-09-20 Thread Tessa
Hi, I don't find turning motion off makes any difference in background 
lighting.
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notifications from facebook or whatever then the old dark grey with white 
writing is back, but once you unlock the screen the glaring light grey 
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to increase contrast, but having tried it I really can't see where or in 
which apps it actually functions.

and on other issues. I tried switching to the male voice for siri and it 
won't work, maybe that option isn't available in Canada?

I find when switching pages even touching the page with a finger causes 
another page switch, or when increasing or decreasing brightness simply 
touching the screen after swiping adds yet another swipe even though you 
aren't swiping. Rather frustrating.

Tessa 

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Re: Mail Search in iOS 7

2013-09-20 Thread Beth G
There gone for me as well.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:59 PM, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Kelly,
 No, they don't seem to be there. I just checked too.
 
 
 Richard
 (Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen)
 
 On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:41 PM, Kelly Ford ke...@kellford.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
  
 Does anyone know if the buttons for choosing what is searched in mail on iOS 
 7 are present in some fashion.  Earlier you had buttons for From, To, 
 Subject and All,  I’m not finding these in iOS 7 when I do mail searches.
  
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Re: IOS 7 visual issues and a couple comments

2013-09-20 Thread Beth G
Neither the female nor mail voice for Siri are working for me. I can only see 
the responses in the text boxes. She or he does not talk to me.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 20, 2013, at 5:45 AM, Tessa virilin...@yahoo.ca wrote:
 
 Hi, I don't find turning motion off makes any difference in background 
 lighting.
 One thing to note is that when there are items in the locked screen, 
 notifications from facebook or whatever then the old dark grey with white 
 writing is back, but once you unlock the screen the glaring light grey 
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 to increase contrast, but having tried it I really can't see where or in 
 which apps it actually functions.
 
 and on other issues. I tried switching to the male voice for siri and it 
 won't work, maybe that option isn't available in Canada?
 
 I find when switching pages even touching the page with a finger causes 
 another page switch, or when increasing or decreasing brightness simply 
 touching the screen after swiping adds yet another swipe even though you 
 aren't swiping. Rather frustrating.
 
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dash and underscore

2013-09-20 Thread bj colt
Hi List,

This may seem a trivial question but I am unable to find the d
ash in my iphone 5 keyboard layout.

?@When I double tap more I get different symbols. In this mode I can only find 
hash where the dash is supposed to be. This 
is a
t the
left of the keyboard just below the number 1. When I double tap on more symbols 
the place where the hash was is now underscore. 

I am using the uk keyboard layout. Is the underscore the same as the dash? If 
not where can I find the dash?

Live long and prosper, John

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Re: Voice Over Audio Issue

2013-09-20 Thread Arianna
I've heard somewhere on this list that you have to turn off the enhanced 
quality before downloading premium voices from other languages. I think it 
might've been copied from a guide posted to AppleVis.


Thanks,
Ari

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 Double tap on Settings
 Double tap on General
 Double tap on Accessibility
 Double tap on VoiceOver
 Double tap on Languages  Dialects
 Flick to the language of your choice
 Flick once more and double tap on More Info
 Make sure Enhanced Quality is On.
  
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Re: Bard Mobile is out

2013-09-20 Thread Andy Baracco
Can you do all of this from within the app? I have read and heard both yes 
and no, and am a bit confused.


Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Bob Hill

Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 2:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bard Mobile is out

Hi all,

I just installed the BARD app, and was happily downloading books from the 
recently added page, and also searching for an author, and adding to the 
wish list, then downloading those titles.

No hiccups yet with either downloading or reading.!

Bob Hill


- Original Message -
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To:  viphone@googlegroups.com
CC:
Date: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:24 am
Subject: Re: Bard Mobile is out




Got it ...  looks like they did an excellent job.  Within a few clicks had 
a book and was reading...''Excellent job NLS!


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:24 PM, Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com wrote:

Here is a link to the BARD Mobile app:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bard-mobile/id705229586?mt=8

Chuck




On Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:45:29 PM UTC-7, Joseph FreeTech wrote:
Hi all,

Just thought I'd let you know the Bard Mobile app is out. I found it on 
my

iPod touch and will track down via browser.

BARD mobile
Library of congress

Joseph


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Got it ...  looks like they did an excellent job.  Within a few clicks had 
a book and was reading...''Excellent job NLS!


Sent from my iPhone

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Here is a link to the BARD Mobile app:


https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bard-mobile/id705229586?mt=8


Chuck




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Hi all,

Just thought I'd let you know the Bard Mobile app is out. I found it on my
iPod touch and will track down via browser.

BARD mobile
Library of congress

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Re: Bard Mobile is Out

2013-09-20 Thread Patti Johnson

Well that is the one thing I didn't do, silly me.
I found it but by just typing in the word bard and then had to select it 
from a bunch of other apps.

Crazy.
I appreciate the reminder about the double tap thing.
Thanks,
Patti

On 9/20/2013 7:30 AM, Ann Byrne wrote:
Remember to double-tap the search button.  You get results without 
doing that, but you will get more results if you do.

At 06:21 AM 9/20/2013, you wrote:
I have tried so many variables on this search and keep getting the No 
Results answer.
I don't understand why I can't search vfor this app in the app store 
and find it.

Surely I don't have to go to the browser and get it that way.
I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
Patti

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Re: control center

2013-09-20 Thread Andy Baracco
I think that sighted folks need only swipe with one finger.

Andy

From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 2:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: control center
James et al, 

I think the confusion is caused by the fact that in Settings/Control Centre the 
instruction is to simply swipe up from the bottom of the screen, there is no 
direction as to how to do this with Voice Over…

For me, I also couldn't make it work, until yesterday evening when I touched 
the top of the screen to hear the time, and did nothing else, Voice OVer then 
read the help tag which told me to swipe down for the Notification Centre and 
up for the Control Centre.

This is not in line with the generic text as to how to operate the Control 
Centre found in the Settings/Control Centre.

It would have been helpful if there had been a note to explain this, also, now 
we find that some of the folk that have had iOS7 a little longer in fact no of 
other, additional, work arounds and methods of bringing it up.

Essentially, you're not alone in being confused and now I've found it I find it 
of use to have those specific commands in one location.





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Neil Barnfather

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On 19 Sep 2013, at 16:04, James Lockwood lockwoo...@gmail.com wrote:


  I am not too happy with IOS7 myself. But, i have noticed, i am unable to get 
the control centre to pup up with voice over on. when i flick upwards i just 
get the default ding sound. if i take voice over off, and flick upwards, then 
re-enable voice over, control centre is then up. anyone else having this 
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IOS7, various frustrating difficulties

2013-09-20 Thread Carol
Hi all,

First, I love some things in IOS7 and think Apple have done a good job in many 
areas.  However, so far as us VI's are concerned, it seems that there are some 
definite difficulties and pitfalls and I'm feeling a bit frustrated with these.

First, for me at least the 4S is in some ways quite snappy and, in others, just 
not quite snappy enough ...  Then, I'm a bit disappointed as the UK English 
voice just doesn't sound quite right, even on its higher setting and awful on 
its compact setting.  Since we listen to speech most of the time, these voices 
really need to be very good!

However, my main frustration right now is being unable to perform general 
editing techniques nearly as well or as quickly as in IOS6.  This is because of 
the more sensitive touch, which can create random incorrect letters.  This 
would even be OK if, when editing and working through word by wor and letter by 
letter, the voices were really tiptop and selecting was better than it is at 
present.  I find I can no longer select and delete quantities of text as before 
because so often the cursor jumps about (often putting me at the top of a 
message when I was editing further down)  (or the pinch method just doesn't 
work at all.

Finally, I am finding the dictation when using Siri, less accurate than before 
and I was looking forward to seeing some leaps forward in this area.

M-Braille is definitely my best bet here right now for writing but I still have 
a need to utilise these other skills when I need to get things done quickly and 
corretly.

The matter which brought this in focus for me was when I was trying to text a 
quick message into which I needed to place some numeric and punctuation signs.  
I found that, when in touch typing mode, it was just too easy to slide a finger 
and find that a character was selected and then extra characters were available 
to me, but they just got inserted every time I slid my finger around - so a 
real mess! I did try to edit using standard typing and this was a little 
better, but I don't want to use this as I find it generally much quicker to use 
the touch typing method.

I'd love some of you to try out texting, including the characters that are 
available in the Numbersoption, and see what you think!

For now, I'm taking a break and a cuppa!

Carol P
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Re: Bard Mobile is Out

2013-09-20 Thread Gadget Girl
Search under, BARDmobile, all one word, and it should come up.  
 

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 I have tried so many variables on this search and keep getting the No Results 
 answer.
 I don't understand why I can't search vfor this app in the app store and find 
 it.
 Surely I don't have to go to the browser and get it that way.
 I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
 Patti
 
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Re: Bard Mobile is Out

2013-09-20 Thread Isaac Hebert
It is probably still in the app store approval process.

On 9/20/13, Gadget Girl geek.gadgetg...@gmail.com wrote:
 Search under, BARDmobile, all one word, and it should come up.


 Regards,
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 Express yourself!

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 I have tried so many variables on this search and keep getting the No
 Results answer.
 I don't understand why I can't search vfor this app in the app store and
 find it.
 Surely I don't have to go to the browser and get it that way.
 I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
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Re: The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids

2013-09-20 Thread Joseph FreeTech
Hi guys, hate to be the dissenting opinion, but as a totally blind person I 
don't really have any use for Braille in my life. I have a Braille display 
that has an 8-year pile of dust on it. One of the dots went out and I need 
both of my arms and legs so can't send it in for repair.

As for school, yes, Braille can be helpful, but I don't think it is 
essential with a little creativity. In college I handed in my math 
assignments having typed out using Word and Excel. I explained my code to my 
professors and they were all ok with it straight through college. I also 
used a Perkins Brailler and came up with my own Braille code as having to 
learn nemeth after just having learned Grade 2 and Grade 3 Braille was not 
going to cut it as I already had quite a work load in college and just 
didn't have the time to learn Nemeth code. My math code was much, much more 
efficient than Nemeth. I took a gamble and it paid off for me.

In terms of reading and writing, well, for the most part I'm a curious 
person, and learning how to spell is just a letter-by-letter review away 
from accuracy. What is going to doom writing both in blind community and 
sighted world will be texting and the general acceptance of incredibly, I 
mean incredibly poor etiquette by those using cell phones to communicate. I 
come across messages and think who in their right mind would post such a 
mess as this poor spelling and grammar says so little about the sender, but 
then I realize the person might be texting and has no interest in proper 
spelling and grammar.

If one is a curious person, he or she can go a long way to prevent poor 
spelling and grammar as well as increasing their vocabulary with a free, 
easy to use application such as WordWeb.

Let's not forget that electronic Braille products are outrageously expensive 
(depending on type of product). One absolutely need the help of the 
government to make such a purchase, so while doing it for the children, the 
children is noble, right now it is not practical without the assistance of 
the state.

I'm concluding that so little blind people use Braille because it just isn't 
essential in our modern lives. Heck, with apps like MBraille, one can get 
the benefits of using Braille without having to take out a second mortgage 
to purchase a Braille display, Braille printer, and tons of Braille paper.

I just recently came across a YouTube video of a blind TV voice over actor. 
This guy was absolutely amazing and has been very successful in his chosen 
field--he sounds like the Budweiser commercial guy with low rumbling voice. 
He played some samples of his work to demonstrate how fast he has to learn 
how to read and speak. I was amazed at how fast he could read Braille to 
complete his work. Well, turns out he's not reading Braille at all. He has a 
headpiece on and is simply repeating what he has recorded via his screen 
reader. By the way, this is exactly how I presented my various speeches when 
at university. My point is that there is always a way when one doesn't 
have tens of thousands of dollars to purchase Braille products.

I do fully expect an incredible retaliation for my personal dissenting 
opinions, but this list is not hear primarily for the sake of proponents of 
Braille use, it is hear for the acquisition of knowledge as shared by all on 
the list, which means I too have some say so on the matter as it concerns my 
views and experience with use of Braille.

Joseph

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From: Isaac Hebert isaac.heb...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:49 AM
Subject: Re: The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids


Yes we should change all braille to computer braille.

On 9/20/13, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
 Actually, we need to change all braille to computer braille. This way, we
 become better able to match our sighted peers. Our spelling will
 dramatically improve, and we will experience text much more the way 
 sighted
 people experience it.

 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone

 On 20 Sep 2013, at 22:36, Carol Pearson carol.pearso...@googlemail.com
 wrote:

 Jonathan, Annie and all,


 I agree totally with your sentiments, but do feel that, along with
 suggestions so far, there needs to be a big push for schools to keep it a
 priority for children to learn thoroughlyand use braille every day.

 My gut feeling is that Apple really does need to call upon the resources
 of those who are experts in this field. Idon't believe they can really
 achieve the kind of excellence we require without such expertise. In 
 other
 words, if they do not employ an expert who already has a very good
 knowledge of braille and the way things work, they need to outsource some
 of this work.

 They certainly need to be listening to us on this matter.
 Carol P
 Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

 On 20 Sep 2013, at 10:50 am, Annie 

Re: IOS 7 visual issues and a couple comments

2013-09-20 Thread Jack Conti
don't feel bad can't find the male voice and i am in the 
u.s.  driving me nuts.   At 07:45 AM 9/20/2013, you wrote:

Hi, I don't find turning motion off makes any difference in background
lighting.
One thing to note is that when there are items in the locked screen,
notifications from facebook or whatever then the old dark grey with white
writing is back, but once you unlock the screen the glaring light grey
background returns with a vengence, there is an option under accessibility
to increase contrast, but having tried it I really can't see where or in
which apps it actually functions.

and on other issues. I tried switching to the male voice for siri and it
won't work, maybe that option isn't available in Canada?

I find when switching pages even touching the page with a finger causes
another page switch, or when increasing or decreasing brightness simply
touching the screen after swiping adds yet another swipe even though you
aren't swiping. Rather frustrating.

Tessa

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Re: Bard Mobile is Out

2013-09-20 Thread MamaPeach

When I searched for it, it was two words, not one

-Original Message- 
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Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 8:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bard Mobile is Out

Search under, BARDmobile, all one word, and it should come up.


Regards,
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On Sep 20, 2013, at 7:21 AM, Patti Johnson pattigj1...@gmail.com wrote:

I have tried so many variables on this search and keep getting the No 
Results answer.
I don't understand why I can't search vfor this app in the app store and 
find it.

Surely I don't have to go to the browser and get it that way.
I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
Patti

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Re: Bard Mobile is out

2013-09-20 Thread MamaPeach

Yes, you can browse, download and listen to the books all within the app.

-Original Message- 
From: Andy Baracco

Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 8:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bard Mobile is out

Can you do all of this from within the app? I have read and heard both yes
and no, and am a bit confused.

Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Bob Hill

Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 2:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bard Mobile is out

Hi all,

I just installed the BARD app, and was happily downloading books from the
recently added page, and also searching for an author, and adding to the
wish list, then downloading those titles.
No hiccups yet with either downloading or reading.!

Bob Hill


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CC:
Date: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:24 am
Subject: Re: Bard Mobile is out




Got it ...  looks like they did an excellent job.  Within a few clicks had 
a book and was reading...''Excellent job NLS!


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:24 PM, Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com wrote:

Here is a link to the BARD Mobile app:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bard-mobile/id705229586?mt=8

Chuck




On Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:45:29 PM UTC-7, Joseph FreeTech wrote:
Hi all,

Just thought I'd let you know the Bard Mobile app is out. I found it on 
my

iPod touch and will track down via browser.

BARD mobile
Library of congress

Joseph


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Got it ...  looks like they did an excellent job.  Within a few clicks had 
a book and was reading...''Excellent job NLS!


Sent from my iPhone

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Here is a link to the BARD Mobile app:


https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bard-mobile/id705229586?mt=8


Chuck




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Just thought I'd let you know the Bard Mobile app is out. I found it on my
iPod touch and will track down via browser.

BARD mobile
Library of congress

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RE: IOS 7 visual issues and a couple comments

2013-09-20 Thread Lois Butterfield
Hi Jack,

It is under Siri in settings.  I have made the switch, temporarily at least.

Take care,
Lois


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Subject: Re: IOS 7 visual issues and a couple comments

don't feel bad can't find the male voice and i am in the 
u.s.  driving me nuts.   At 07:45 AM 9/20/2013, you wrote:
Hi, I don't find turning motion off makes any difference in background
lighting.
One thing to note is that when there are items in the locked screen,
notifications from facebook or whatever then the old dark grey with white
writing is back, but once you unlock the screen the glaring light grey
background returns with a vengence, there is an option under accessibility
to increase contrast, but having tried it I really can't see where or in
which apps it actually functions.

and on other issues. I tried switching to the male voice for siri and it
won't work, maybe that option isn't available in Canada?

I find when switching pages even touching the page with a finger causes
another page switch, or when increasing or decreasing brightness simply
touching the screen after swiping adds yet another swipe even though you
aren't swiping. Rather frustrating.

Tessa

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Re: Bard Mobile is out

2013-09-20 Thread Kimber Gardner
When I try to download a book, for a while I see the queued for
download message. Then it changes to a network not connected message.
I verified that the app is allowed to use cellular data when I'm not
connected to wifi, so what's the problem? Anyone got a clue?

Kimber

On 9/20/13, MamaPeach mamape...@charter.net wrote:
 Yes, you can browse, download and listen to the books all within the app.

 -Original Message-
 From: Andy Baracco
 Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 8:11 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Bard Mobile is out

 Can you do all of this from within the app? I have read and heard both yes
 and no, and am a bit confused.

 Andy


 -Original Message-
 From: Bob Hill
 Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 2:14 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Bard Mobile is out

 Hi all,

 I just installed the BARD app, and was happily downloading books from the
 recently added page, and also searching for an author, and adding to the
 wish list, then downloading those titles.
 No hiccups yet with either downloading or reading.!

 Bob Hill


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 From: Peter Logan pdlloga...@gmail.com
 To:  viphone@googlegroups.com
 CC:
 Date: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:24 am
 Subject: Re: Bard Mobile is out



 Got it ...  looks like they did an excellent job.  Within a few clicks had

 a book and was reading...''Excellent job NLS!

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:24 PM, Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com wrote:

 Here is a link to the BARD Mobile app:

 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bard-mobile/id705229586?mt=8

 Chuck



 On Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:45:29 PM UTC-7, Joseph FreeTech wrote:
 Hi all,

 Just thought I'd let you know the Bard Mobile app is out. I found it on
 my
 iPod touch and will track down via browser.

 BARD mobile
 Library of congress

 Joseph

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 Got it ...  looks like they did an excellent job.  Within a few clicks had

 a book and was reading...''Excellent job NLS!

 Sent from my iPhone

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 Here is a link to the BARD Mobile app:


 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bard-mobile/id705229586?mt=8


 Chuck




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 Just thought I'd let you know the Bard Mobile app is out. I found it on
 my
 iPod touch and will track down via browser.

 BARD mobile
 Library of congress

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Re: control center and iTunes radio

2013-09-20 Thread RobH.
iTunes radio is near the bottom in iTunes itself afaik.

I thought for control centre, touch status line then 3finger slide up.
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From: Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 12:24 AM
Subject: control center and iTunes radio


Where is iTunes radio? Also, I see Control Center in the settings, but there 
is no place to turn it on. It says to swipe up towards the top of the screen 
to open it up, but I cannot do this. It never comes up.

Thanks for any help on any of this.
reggie and Allegra

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Re: control center and iTunes radio

2013-09-20 Thread RobH.
Ok, I stand corrected; I don't use either;  but usually pay reasonable 
attention to all the tips in here.

Rh.
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: control center and iTunes radio


iTunes Radio is the first tab in the Music app. Bring up the control
Center the same way you would bring up the Notification Center, but use
a three finger flick up instead of down.

On 09/19/2013 06:24 PM, Regina Alvarado wrote:
 Where is iTunes radio? Also, I see Control Center in the settings, but 
 there is no place to turn it on. It says to swipe up towards the top of 
 the screen to open it up, but I cannot do this. It never comes up.

 Thanks for any help on any of this.
 reggie and Allegra


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Re: Bard Mobile is Out

2013-09-20 Thread Gadget Girl
Hi, when I searched for it, it did not appear until I deleted the space between 
the two words and hit search again.  BARD alone gave me some medical and game 
app choices.  Perhaps it's been fixed?  Have a good day. 


Regards,
Anita 
also known as Gadget Girl.  Sent via my Apple gadget.  Apple, Take a bite, 
Express yourself!

On Sep 20, 2013, at 8:17 AM, MamaPeach mamape...@charter.net wrote:

 When I searched for it, it was two words, not one
 
 -Original Message- From: Gadget Girl
 Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 8:14 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Bard Mobile is Out
 
 Search under, BARDmobile, all one word, and it should come up.
 
 
 Regards,
 Anita
 also known as Gadget Girl.  Sent via my Apple gadget.  Apple, Take a bite, 
 Express yourself!
 
 On Sep 20, 2013, at 7:21 AM, Patti Johnson pattigj1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I have tried so many variables on this search and keep getting the No 
 Results answer.
 I don't understand why I can't search vfor this app in the app store and 
 find it.
 Surely I don't have to go to the browser and get it that way.
 I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
 Patti
 
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RE: New Spirit level feature part of iOS 7. Wow

2013-09-20 Thread Thom Spittle
I am sending an email to accessibil...@apple.com for this matter.
With all of the levels that this app provides, when 0 degrees is reached,
there is a color change to the screen. 
I am suggesting that Apple add a tone to this.
With the plain level, it's very difficult to get it just right. You need to
lift one side, then another to see what the readout says.
I have low vision, and on screen, there are two circles that, when level,
will make a ring, since one circle is slightly larger than the other.
Please send along your comments to apple as well, so that the blind can use
such a wonderful tool.

Thom
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Alex Stone
 Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 6:22 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: New Spirit level feature part of iOS 7. Wow
 
 This is all very well, but when I want it to tell me whether my desk is
level,
 and it says -2 degrees, is my desk sloping to m y left or right? I'm sure
this is
 perfectly obvious visually, but doesn't make a lot of sense in voiceover.
 Cheers
 Alex
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Thom Spittle
 Sent: 19 September 2013 14:44
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: New Spirit level feature part of iOS 7. Wow
 
 A spirit level tells you when something is level.
 If you lay your iPhone on it's long edge with the screen facing you, you
get a
 horizontal level.
 If you hold the long edge of your iPhone against a wall, you're checking
 vertical level.
 And, if you lay your iphone on a table with the screen facing up, you are
 using a plane level.
 With any of these, your iPhone will tell you the amount of degrees that
your
 phone is off of horizontal, vertical level, or plane level.
 So, let's say I place it on a picture frame, on edge, with the screen
facing me,
 and the level running. I can adust the frame until the iPhone level tells
me
 that it's at zero degrees. This would tell me that the picture frame is
level.
 Do the same on shelving to check level from side to side, or from front to
 back.
 
 I hope this helps,
 Thom
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:17 AM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Pardon me for asking, but could you explain exactly what the spirit
  level refers to? How would you use that in putting up shelves?
 
  Regards,
  Wayne
 
  On 9/19/13, Andy Lane andylanesem...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi all, has anyone noticed the new spirit level feature in compass
app???
  Previously compass was just a compass but now if you 3 finger swipe
  to the second page, you get a spirit level which is very accurate
indeed.
  Unfortunately it doesn't do less than 1 degree resolution which would
  be even better but the accuracy is good enough for putting up
  shelves, levelling pictures etc.  It also works on 2 axis
  simultaneously.  Very impressive.  On a negative note though the
  compass app doesn't seem to read out headings anymore so great we got
  spirit level but not so great they seem to have broke the compass.
  Hopefully I am wrong and doing something incorrectly or they fix it
  very quickly.  Also very disappointed the Safari bug where focus
  jumps around is still there.  I think that is the worst bug iOS
  currently has for a VO user as some websites become completely
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Re: IOS 7 visual issues and a couple comments

2013-09-20 Thread Gadget Girl
Hi, I found the male voice option only appears if you have US English selected 
as the Siri voice.  

Regards,
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also known as Gadget Girl.  Sent via my Apple gadget.  Apple, Take a bite, 
Express yourself!

On Sep 20, 2013, at 8:17 AM, Jack Conti jackco...@cox.net wrote:

 don't feel bad can't find the male voice and i am in the u.s.  driving me 
 nuts.   At 07:45 AM 9/20/2013, you wrote:
 Hi, I don't find turning motion off makes any difference in background
 lighting.
 One thing to note is that when there are items in the locked screen,
 notifications from facebook or whatever then the old dark grey with white
 writing is back, but once you unlock the screen the glaring light grey
 background returns with a vengence, there is an option under accessibility
 to increase contrast, but having tried it I really can't see where or in
 which apps it actually functions.
 
 and on other issues. I tried switching to the male voice for siri and it
 won't work, maybe that option isn't available in Canada?
 
 I find when switching pages even touching the page with a finger causes
 another page switch, or when increasing or decreasing brightness simply
 touching the screen after swiping adds yet another swipe even though you
 aren't swiping. Rather frustrating.
 
 Tessa
 
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Re: The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids

2013-09-20 Thread Annie Skov Nielsen
Hi David.

The poor children need to have time to learn all these things. I have not 
learned printed letters at all, I have not been missing them. Having said that 
all blind children and adults who cares about braille should learn computer 
braille or better 8 dots braille, in fact I agree that computer braille or in 
my opinion 8 dots braille should be the braille system,
That would improve our spelling and writing skills.


 I also like the automatic translation, in fact it works better for me than the 
new method.

I think apple should imploy some experts in braille.

To me one of the biggest problems is that the VoiceOver search function can not 
be used with braille. If that function could be added it would be much better 
to navigate.

Best regards Annie.

Den Sep 20, 2013 kl. 12:38 PM skrev David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com:

 I know my thoughts on this topic are in the extreme minority. I grew up 
 learning braille. Fortunately, my mother also insisted I learn print, and 
 taught me using plastic letter magnets.
 
 My first notetaker was a Braille 'n Speak 640. I used it for taking notes in 
 university training courses. Because I was also a heavy BBSer, I taught 
 myself computer braille and used that equipment with a dial-up modem. So, I 
 wrote all my notes in computer braille.
 
 Since then, I have found Apple's automatic braille translation to be one of 
 the best I have worked with. It actually permits me to write in my mixture of 
 grade II UEB and spell out parts of words. Sometimes, I use automatic 
 translation to shortcut my writing of words since everything is properly 
 stored in computer text. In fact, I used my iPhone and braille display to 
 teach myself UEB by writing words in computer braille and then using 1 2 4 5 
 chord to display the word in grade II.
 
 My method of writing in braille permits me the best of both worlds when using 
 Apple's automatic braille translation.
 
 Language is always fluid. Fonts change and adjust over time. Words are added 
 to languages regularly. 
 
 In my opinion, we should be teaching blind children print using tactile 
 letters, numbers, and punctuation marks. We should also teach them braille, 
 starting with computer braille, and finally, grade II braille. This would 
 follow the print training of print followed by shorthand. Not teaching blind 
 children computer braille is as much a disservice as not teaching them any 
 braille. Amongst other things, learning computer braille will teach the 
 concept that uppercase letters and lowercase letters are two completely 
 different things (a fact that many blind braille readers do not seem to 
 grasp).
 
 So, I say, Yes, we must think of the blind children. We must change our 
 teaching of braille skills so that the children learn, at an early age, how 
 truly flexible braille actually is. We need to correct the extremely poor 
 spelling that so many braille learners acquire through working from earliest 
 days with grade II braille (I count myself in this crowd, by the way, and did 
 not start improving my spelling until I started working in computer braille). 
 In other words we must teach our children to be fully proficient in computer 
 braille and tactile print letters before anything else. And, because the 
 primary mode is becoming computer / iDevice and braille display, the large 
 size of braille and spelling out words is no longer an impediment to reading 
 proper computer braille text. This will help our blind children to better 
 compete in all aspects of literate life, including work.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 20 Sep 2013, at 20:10, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 Hi everyone, since I believe this is such a vital issue, and given that it 
 is 100% on-topic for this list, I would like to paste below an entry I just 
 posted to my blog. I hope you enjoy it and that you'll give it some thought.
 
 People from all walks of life, not just blind people, can get extremely 
 partisan about their technology preferences. Anything their team does is 
 unquestionably wonderful, while anything another company does is rubbish, 
 simply by virtue of the fact that it’s the other guys who did it. If you 
 criticise the company such people support, you’ve committed heresy.
 As blind people, I don’t believe we have the luxury of being so childish. 
 Unemployment is high. Misconceptions abound regarding how capable we can be 
 in the workplace, and in society as a whole. We need to be open to all 
 solutions, and where possible, use the best mix of technology we can to be 
 as productive, functional and self-reliant as we can.
 To be clear, I have enormous admiration for the way Apple has changed the 
 game in assistive technology. When they released VoiceOver in 2009, I was 
 concerned that Apple might do just enough to get people off its back 
 regarding the inaccessibility of the iPhone. But that 

folders Re: IOS 7 visual issues and a couple comments

2013-09-20 Thread Tessa
a couple more comments.
I didn't see a comment on list about folders, but I haven't kept up with all 
the mail. Folders are larger, anyone know how much larger they can be, I'm 
assuming now you can get 18 items into one which is great, anyone gone 
higher than that?
One thing that does bug me, when moving an item out of a folder you have to 
hold it outside the folder for a full 5 seconds before the folder closes, 
now that is down right tedious. one or two seconds might be reasonable, but 
five??
Tessa 

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Re: folders Re: IOS 7 visual issues and a couple comments

2013-09-20 Thread Isaac Hebert
Yes one or two seconds might be better. I have the same problem  when
moving a item to a folder it seems like you have to keep moving it
until it gos in to the folder.

On 9/20/13, Tessa virilin...@yahoo.ca wrote:
 a couple more comments.
 I didn't see a comment on list about folders, but I haven't kept up with all

 the mail. Folders are larger, anyone know how much larger they can be, I'm
 assuming now you can get 18 items into one which is great, anyone gone
 higher than that?
 One thing that does bug me, when moving an item out of a folder you have to

 hold it outside the folder for a full 5 seconds before the folder closes,
 now that is down right tedious. one or two seconds might be reasonable, but

 five??
 Tessa

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Re: folders Re: IOS 7 visual issues and a couple comments

2013-09-20 Thread MamaPeach
I know on the iPad, my boyfriend has 49 apps in one folder with6 pages 
inside that folder, which is way more than he used to could get into one 
folder.


-Original Message- 
From: Tessa

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: folders Re: IOS 7 visual issues and a couple comments

a couple more comments.
I didn't see a comment on list about folders, but I haven't kept up with all
the mail. Folders are larger, anyone know how much larger they can be, I'm
assuming now you can get 18 items into one which is great, anyone gone
higher than that?
One thing that does bug me, when moving an item out of a folder you have to
hold it outside the folder for a full 5 seconds before the folder closes,
now that is down right tedious. one or two seconds might be reasonable, but
five??
Tessa

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when upgrading

2013-09-20 Thread Ray T. Mahorney
When upgrading to IOS 7 are settings such as bluetooth pairings and the like 
preserved?


Ray T. Mahorney
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Re: folders Re: IOS 7 visual issues and a couple comments

2013-09-20 Thread Kellie and my lab pack

Hey Tessa,
Folders can actually have multiple pages now so the number of apps in each 
is much larger.
I don't know if there is a cap on how many pages a folder can have, but my 
games folder has 38 apps in it just as an example. I always wished that you 
could have multiple pages in a folder because I hated having multiple 
folders with the same name and now I do.


I agree that having to wait for 5 seconds is a bit tedius. This is also 
where I notice the sensativity most when working with the screen.
when I was moving apps around, sometimes it would not open the folder I 
wanted to move the app into, while at other times it would. Also, if the 
folder I wanted to move the app too, was in the first or 4th column, it 
would frequently switch to the previous or next page, which got a bit 
frustrating. It made moving apps a  bit more time consuming then I was used 
too. I got better as I worked with it more but was surprised on how quickly 
the pages switched. Pages switching quickly is in complete contrast to how 
it was on the old IOS, at least that was my experience.


I did notice that the sounds to indicate what position the app was in, 
doesn't appear as reliable as prior versions. Sometimes I would hear the 
blip and it would say, column 4, row 4 but more often then not, I didn't get 
any indication of where I was dragging the app to.

Kellie, guide Loki and retired July

-Original Message- 
From: Tessa

Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 7:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: folders Re: IOS 7 visual issues and a couple comments

a couple more comments.
I didn't see a comment on list about folders, but I haven't kept up with all
the mail. Folders are larger, anyone know how much larger they can be, I'm
assuming now you can get 18 items into one which is great, anyone gone
higher than that?
One thing that does bug me, when moving an item out of a folder you have to
hold it outside the folder for a full 5 seconds before the folder closes,
now that is down right tedious. one or two seconds might be reasonable, but
five??
Tessa

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Re: Bard Mobile is Out

2013-09-20 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
I found it down the list. It wasn't near the top.

On 9/20/13, Gadget Girl geek.gadgetg...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, when I searched for it, it did not appear until I deleted the space
 between the two words and hit search again.  BARD alone gave me some medical
 and game app choices.  Perhaps it's been fixed?  Have a good day.


 Regards,
 Anita
 also known as Gadget Girl.  Sent via my Apple gadget.  Apple, Take a bite,
 Express yourself!

 On Sep 20, 2013, at 8:17 AM, MamaPeach mamape...@charter.net wrote:

 When I searched for it, it was two words, not one

 -Original Message- From: Gadget Girl
 Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 8:14 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Bard Mobile is Out

 Search under, BARDmobile, all one word, and it should come up.


 Regards,
 Anita
 also known as Gadget Girl.  Sent via my Apple gadget.  Apple, Take a
 bite, Express yourself!

 On Sep 20, 2013, at 7:21 AM, Patti Johnson pattigj1...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have tried so many variables on this search and keep getting the No
 Results answer.
 I don't understand why I can't search vfor this app in the app store and
 find it.
 Surely I don't have to go to the browser and get it that way.
 I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
 Patti

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Re: The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids

2013-09-20 Thread Peter Durieux
hi,

in some cases braille is very imported to do a certain task. for example, i'm a 
system- and network engineer and doing the job with tts isn't doable and 
productive. the only  thing that works for me is a linux box and brltty. for 
all my other tasks i use ios of mac. one reason i need vmware on my mac is good 
braille support for console and apple lacks good braille support on mac 
terminal. 

what i want to say is, braille is very imported in daily life, so having good 
braille suppoet may improve productivity and such

of the fact of internationalisation, apple have a long way to go. my feeling is 
that a lot of things aren't tested propperly. for example, we can have hq 
voices for different languages, but the speech rate option you can configure 
doesn't work. why giving this option that isn't tested propperly?

even vo on mountain lion feels more like a beta. same for vo on ios7. indeed 
new great features, but personally, i prefere a good tested screen reader then 
a beta feeling with a lot of features.

just my two cents.


With kind regards,

-Peter Durieux

 Op 20-sep.-2013 om 14:16 heeft Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com 
 het volgende geschreven:
 
 Hi guys, hate to be the dissenting opinion, but as a totally blind person I 
 don't really have any use for Braille in my life. I have a Braille display 
 that has an 8-year pile of dust on it. One of the dots went out and I need 
 both of my arms and legs so can't send it in for repair.
 
 As for school, yes, Braille can be helpful, but I don't think it is 
 essential with a little creativity. In college I handed in my math 
 assignments having typed out using Word and Excel. I explained my code to my 
 professors and they were all ok with it straight through college. I also 
 used a Perkins Brailler and came up with my own Braille code as having to 
 learn nemeth after just having learned Grade 2 and Grade 3 Braille was not 
 going to cut it as I already had quite a work load in college and just 
 didn't have the time to learn Nemeth code. My math code was much, much more 
 efficient than Nemeth. I took a gamble and it paid off for me.
 
 In terms of reading and writing, well, for the most part I'm a curious 
 person, and learning how to spell is just a letter-by-letter review away 
 from accuracy. What is going to doom writing both in blind community and 
 sighted world will be texting and the general acceptance of incredibly, I 
 mean incredibly poor etiquette by those using cell phones to communicate. I 
 come across messages and think who in their right mind would post such a 
 mess as this poor spelling and grammar says so little about the sender, but 
 then I realize the person might be texting and has no interest in proper 
 spelling and grammar.
 
 If one is a curious person, he or she can go a long way to prevent poor 
 spelling and grammar as well as increasing their vocabulary with a free, 
 easy to use application such as WordWeb.
 
 Let's not forget that electronic Braille products are outrageously expensive 
 (depending on type of product). One absolutely need the help of the 
 government to make such a purchase, so while doing it for the children, the 
 children is noble, right now it is not practical without the assistance of 
 the state.
 
 I'm concluding that so little blind people use Braille because it just isn't 
 essential in our modern lives. Heck, with apps like MBraille, one can get 
 the benefits of using Braille without having to take out a second mortgage 
 to purchase a Braille display, Braille printer, and tons of Braille paper.
 
 I just recently came across a YouTube video of a blind TV voice over actor. 
 This guy was absolutely amazing and has been very successful in his chosen 
 field--he sounds like the Budweiser commercial guy with low rumbling voice. 
 He played some samples of his work to demonstrate how fast he has to learn 
 how to read and speak. I was amazed at how fast he could read Braille to 
 complete his work. Well, turns out he's not reading Braille at all. He has a 
 headpiece on and is simply repeating what he has recorded via his screen 
 reader. By the way, this is exactly how I presented my various speeches when 
 at university. My point is that there is always a way when one doesn't 
 have tens of thousands of dollars to purchase Braille products.
 
 I do fully expect an incredible retaliation for my personal dissenting 
 opinions, but this list is not hear primarily for the sake of proponents of 
 Braille use, it is hear for the acquisition of knowledge as shared by all on 
 the list, which means I too have some say so on the matter as it concerns my 
 views and experience with use of Braille.
 
 Joseph
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Isaac Hebert isaac.heb...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:49 AM
 Subject: Re: The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids
 
 
 Yes we should change all braille to computer 

RE: Can't get latest iTunes download started on PC

2013-09-20 Thread Don and Cher Bosch
I probably spent over an hour with multiple tries on IE10. I'm still using
latest JAWS14 however- but even looking with the JAWS cursor the necessary
buttons and text were simply not visible. With FF everything was there and
so simple.
Cher


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can't get latest iTunes download started on PC

I tried several times in IE and only once got the error message that my
browser was not compatible. As I mentioned I am using IE 10 with Jaws 15.
Firefox worked the first time. I tried updating within ITunes and by using
the Apple update utility but they both said that ITunes was up to date which
of course it wasn't.

On 9/19/13, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well, I'm glad it finally worked out for you, but this was not my 
 experience

 at all with Jaws 14 and Internet Explorer 10 on Windows7. Just 
 conveying this so that others don't believe iTunes cannot be downloaded
with Jaws.

 Joseph

 - Original Message -
 From: Don and Cher Bosch oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 5:16 PM
 Subject: RE: Can't get latest iTunes download started on PC


 Joseph and All- As John mentioned earlier, the download is no problem 
 in Firefox. With IE10 and latest JAWS, several parts of the iTunes 
 download page were inaccessible- crucial buttons and text were simply 
 invisible to JAWS. Thanks John for suggesting Firefox- the difference was
unbelievable!
 Cher



 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Joseph FreeTech
 Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:07 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Can't get latest iTunes download started on PC

 Hi,

 An an effort to also help others, I composed a new message with new 
 subject line. This info should help you and others download the newest 
 version of iTunes. Please look for that message.

 Joseph

 - Original Message -
 From: Don and Cher Bosch oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:38 PM
 Subject: RE: Can't get latest iTunes download started on PC


 That's the page I'm on. I've pressed the download link and routed JAWS 
 to PC and clicked on everything that said download JIC the download 
 was not showing up as a link. I selected my location and went through 
 the whole thing again. Then I hit all the terms of service links to 
 see if there was a checkbox there. The terms said you had to click 
 'agree' but JAWS saw there was nowhere on that screen to check a box, 
 click a link, or press an agree button. I've certainly downloaded it 
 before, but this is a new Win7 computer.
 Cher


 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Joseph FreeTech
 Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 4:57 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Can't get latest iTunes download started on PC

 Here is the Windows download link for iTunes 11.1:
 http://www.apple.com/itunes/download/

 Joseph

 - Original Message -
 From: Don and Cher Bosch oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 1:37 PM
 Subject: Can't get latest iTunes download started on PC


 I'm on the page titled 'Apple iTunes- Download iTunes Now' and can't 
 get beyond it. The download links show up as visited, but nothing ever 
 changes on the page. I'm using IE10 with JAWS. Very frustrated- please 
 advise :)

 Cher



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Re: folders Re: IOS 7 visual issues and a couple comments

2013-09-20 Thread Earle
Folders can have up to 14 pages of apps in them.  Each page holds 9 apps.  
Therefore, folders can hold up to 126 apps.

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 Hey Tessa,
 Folders can actually have multiple pages now so the number of apps in each is 
 much larger.
 I don't know if there is a cap on how many pages a folder can have, but my 
 games folder has 38 apps in it just as an example. I always wished that you 
 could have multiple pages in a folder because I hated having multiple folders 
 with the same name and now I do.
 
 I agree that having to wait for 5 seconds is a bit tedius. This is also where 
 I notice the sensativity most when working with the screen.
 when I was moving apps around, sometimes it would not open the folder I 
 wanted to move the app into, while at other times it would. Also, if the 
 folder I wanted to move the app too, was in the first or 4th column, it would 
 frequently switch to the previous or next page, which got a bit frustrating. 
 It made moving apps a  bit more time consuming then I was used too. I got 
 better as I worked with it more but was surprised on how quickly the pages 
 switched. Pages switching quickly is in complete contrast to how it was on 
 the old IOS, at least that was my experience.
 
 I did notice that the sounds to indicate what position the app was in, 
 doesn't appear as reliable as prior versions. Sometimes I would hear the blip 
 and it would say, column 4, row 4 but more often then not, I didn't get any 
 indication of where I was dragging the app to.
 Kellie, guide Loki and retired July
 
 -Original Message- From: Tessa
 Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 7:32 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: folders Re: IOS 7 visual issues and a couple comments
 
 a couple more comments.
 I didn't see a comment on list about folders, but I haven't kept up with all
 the mail. Folders are larger, anyone know how much larger they can be, I'm
 assuming now you can get 18 items into one which is great, anyone gone
 higher than that?
 One thing that does bug me, when moving an item out of a folder you have to
 hold it outside the folder for a full 5 seconds before the folder closes,
 now that is down right tedious. one or two seconds might be reasonable, but
 five??
 Tessa
 
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safari and ios 7

2013-09-20 Thread Rizzino, Bonnie
Hi

Has anyone had difficulty using the picker in safari?  I am using a
BrailleNote apex bt32.

It doesn't seem to be working well.

 

Also, moving by characters doesn't seem to be working with the apex and
in touch typing.

Thanks.

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Blind and Vision Rehabilitation Services of Pittsburgh 
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Re: IOS 7 visual issues and a couple comments

2013-09-20 Thread Earle
Both male and female Siri voices appear if you have English Canada set as well. 
I thought the male and female voices were supposed to be available in US 
English only but they are both working in English Canada.
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On 2013-09-20, at 8:30 AM, Gadget Girl geek.gadgetg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi, I found the male voice option only appears if you have US English 
 selected as the Siri voice.  
 
 Regards,
 Anita 
 also known as Gadget Girl.  Sent via my Apple gadget.  Apple, Take a bite, 
 Express yourself!
 
 On Sep 20, 2013, at 8:17 AM, Jack Conti jackco...@cox.net wrote:
 
 don't feel bad can't find the male voice and i am in the u.s.  driving me 
 nuts.   At 07:45 AM 9/20/2013, you wrote:
 Hi, I don't find turning motion off makes any difference in background
 lighting.
 One thing to note is that when there are items in the locked screen,
 notifications from facebook or whatever then the old dark grey with white
 writing is back, but once you unlock the screen the glaring light grey
 background returns with a vengence, there is an option under accessibility
 to increase contrast, but having tried it I really can't see where or in
 which apps it actually functions.
 
 and on other issues. I tried switching to the male voice for siri and it
 won't work, maybe that option isn't available in Canada?
 
 I find when switching pages even touching the page with a finger causes
 another page switch, or when increasing or decreasing brightness simply
 touching the screen after swiping adds yet another swipe even though you
 aren't swiping. Rather frustrating.
 
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Re: iTunes Radio

2013-09-20 Thread Mary Otten
You don't have to pay to listen to iTunes radio. If you have subscribed to 
iTunes match, you don't have to hear advertisements. I imagine that the price 
you saw related to a specific song that was playing. Click that, and you buy 
the song directly from iTunes. One could spend a lot of money very easily with 
those buy buttons right on the same screen and no need even to click over to a 
store page to do the deal.

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Re: iOS 7 on iPhone 4

2013-09-20 Thread shinstigator
I can barely compose a text it is so slow.  I wish I hadn't updated it.


On Wednesday, September 18, 2013 10:40:05 AM UTC-7, Jared wrote:

 I currently have an iPhone 4 but plan on upgrading shortly. I've read 
 about sluggishness with iOS 7 on the iPhone 4 so am considering holding off 
 upgrading. I was wondering what people's experiences who ran prerelease 
 versions on a 4 were, or what experiences of people who do the upgrade on a 
 4 is today?


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Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7

2013-09-20 Thread Mary Otten
 Hi Cara,
It seems to me that the weakness of this release of iOS 7, not to mention many 
many releases of android, is that the developers of the OS don't take the time 
to document it and put that documentation out there for the public. That would 
include all accessibility change documentation.
Somewhere somebody got the idea that nobody is willing to read documentation, 
and that everybody prefers to mumble and bumble and grumble around the OS to 
find out what is new. To me, that seems absurd. Okay. Not everybody wants to 
read in-depth documentation. But for those of us who do, it seems a shame that 
the opportunity is denied us.
Mary


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On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:04 PM, Cara Quinn modelc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi John and list.
 While I agree completely, let me also offer the precept that iOS has always 
 been built on its ability to be easily discoverable.
 
 -And for me at least, in iOS 7 so far, the level of what I consider to be 
 good discoverability is less than I'd like.
 
 However, rather than go into details now, I'm holding my thoughts for a while 
 for exactly the reason John puts across in this note.
 
 While I personally find this version of iOS way less discoverable I also feel 
 that not only is this just the first release of this incarnation of iOS, but 
 also I do think there needs to be more than a 24 hour period for me to draw 
 lasting conclusions about this, if for no other reason than not all features 
 are obvious to everyone at this point. So while I do have my impressions, as 
 we all do, I know there's a lot I'll be learning as well.
 
 So there's my point of view for the moment. :)
 
 Thanks for all the great posts both from those who like / do not like iOS 7 
 so far.
 
 That's part of what this list is for after all!
 
 Thanks All and have a great night!…
 
 Smiles,
 
 Cara :)
 On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:38 AM, John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   I mean absolutely no offense, but you really have to read documentation and 
 understand what has changed before jumping to conclusions.  I will address 
 your 5 points and explain what I mean.
 
 1. In Accessibility settings, turn on, reduce motion.  This will speed up the 
 speed of the phone with VoiceOver.
 
 2. Yes, VoiceOver sounds are different.  You are basing your recommendation 
 on personal opinion.  Like anything else, you get used to them.  Change is 
 not always comfortable for folks, but human beings tend to adapt to change in 
 the long run.  I have already.
 
 3. There is a separate control for silencing VoiceOver sounds independently 
 or having them remain on.
 
 
 4. I think point 1 might help with the focus issues.  Not sure though because 
 I haven’t experienced this myself.
 
 5. Again, your opinion.  There are a lot of changes to the interface that 
 make iOS 7 worth the upgrade.  The handwriting feature, the 4-finger double 
 tap to start VO practice mode, the Control Center, the new layout to 
 Calendars and Reminders, the new SIRI voices and the expansion of what you 
 can do with SIRI, and several others.   Learn about iOS 7 and use it for a 
 few weeks before jumping to conclusions in 24 hours of use.  
 
  It’s funny how I read posts like this with every iOS upgrade and Mac 
 upgrade.  I know for a fact I still haven’t learned all of the new things yet 
 and am discovering changes every time I use my iPhone and iPad.
 
 
 
 Take Care
 
 John D. Panarese
 Director
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 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
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 On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:20 AM, James Lockwood lockwoo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 and 
 here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is fine. 
 sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! 
 
 problems i have in IOS7
 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run slower. it 
 seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through applications. the 
 phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when i click the lock 
 button. 
 
 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over would 
 always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on the 
 page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages application, 
 try flicking from the message display area down into the text message box 
 where you type new messages. you do this by flicking right. on the ipad 
 voice over always made a unique noice indicating that you have gone into a 
 new area of the screen. the iphone voice over never did this. well, on the 
 new IOS 7 it now does. this annoying
 
 3. the side switch no longer silences flicking sounds. on IOS 6 the switch 
 above the volume buttons would 

Another Bluetooth Issue

2013-09-20 Thread CD
OK with IOS 7 I can used a corded headset and phone works fine but if I use
a Bluetooth I only get as much as the Bluetooth saying power on battery high
connected.  I can't do anything on the screen after that.  

 

Carla

 

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Re: Bard Mobile is out

2013-09-20 Thread Mary Otten
I installed the BARD app on my 4S. Searching on library of congress and then 
flicking a few times through the picker gives you the app. All you need is a 
BARD log in, and you are good to go.

Mary

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Re: Bard Mobile is out

2013-09-20 Thread Mary Otten
I found it by searching for library of congress. My search for bard mobile 
turned up a zillion hits. Bard Mobile library of congress turned up nothing. 
But just library of congress did the job. 
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Re: New Spirit level feature part of iOS 7. Wow

2013-09-20 Thread Gabriele Battaglia
Hi Thom, could you please send to me privately, what you are going to write to 
accessibil...@apple.com, please?

I'll take ispiration from your message and send it them also.
Thank you.
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Re: Has anyone tried IOSS 7 on an iPhone 4

2013-09-20 Thread hannah day

Keri i think it's just as good as the i i o s 6

I like it i like the new features with seri and also the new app 
switcher is cool  it's more faster



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On 20/09/2013 05:02, Kerri Kosten wrote:

Hi:

What about on a 4S?
Has anyone tried it on that?
Is it sluggish on the 4S?
Thanks,
Kerri

On 9/19/13, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona hanksm...@hanksmith.net wrote:

it is sluggish but useable.
On 9/19/2013 8:23 PM, Ron Pelletier wrote:

Hi all,

His anyone had any success with IOS 7 on an iPhone 4? Is it sluggish or
does it work quite normally?

Thank you for any info you can give me before I attempt the upgrade.

Ron  Danvers

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Explanation to all of you who are confused about the iOS 7 TTS voices

2013-09-20 Thread Adi Kushnir
Hi all,

As one who uses the new Nuance Vocalizer Expressive voices to develop with
them for other platforms, I wanna to explain to you all, what are the iOS 7
voices and which of them are being used when.

So, let's start from sirie:

The new and better Sirie voices are not Vocalizer Expressive voices.

These are custom voices that Nuance or some other company makes a specially
for Apple, I think it's Nuance because Apple always works with them on TTS
related stuff.

 

Now, let's move on to VoiceOver:

In iOS 6, Apple used the Nuance Vocalizer for automotive version 5.5
platform for it's screen reader and Sirie.

Since Nuance stopped supporting and developing Vocalizer for Automotive, and
released Vocalizer Expressive, in iOS 7, Apple has swiched to using these
voices for VoiceOver.

Most of them sound the same as the previous generation of Vocalizer, such as
Samantha Premium for example, they just read longer texts better.

The Vocalizer Expressive platform contains some new and very expressive
voices, but Apple decided to use the ones that wer already available,
because they are still offerd with Vocalizer Expressive, or VE for short.

Some other facts that thanks to them you can know it's the new Expressive
version, are the bad compact voices, a specially Daniel, and the new voices
for some languages such as Arabic, they have replaced Maged with Tarik for
this language because Nuance doesn't offer Maged any more.

Vocalizer Expressive has a Hebrew voice as well, so I hope Apple will add it
soon too:) (Smile).

 

Hope now you understand it better..

 

Adi.

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Airplay and iTunes Music.

2013-09-20 Thread Jim Noseworthy

Hi Folks:

I believe that airplay is no longer accessible using voiceover in iTunes 
Music.


Can anyone confirm this?

Thanks all over the place.

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itunes radio and skipping songs

2013-09-20 Thread Mary Otten
I have not upgraded to ios 7, but I did get the new iTunes on my Mac and have 
been experimenting with the new radio feature. I thought I read that, if you 
subscribe to iTunes match, you not only don't get ads, but you also get an 
unlimited number of skips. This later point appears not to be true. Any 
conformations or contradictions to this experience?

Also,m I accidentally told iTunes never to play a particular song that I 
actually wanted to say play more like this. I don't suppose there is a way to 
undo such mistakes? 

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screen hypersensitivity with IOS7

2013-09-20 Thread Kevin Barry
			I can report that I also am experiencing the problem with VO 
assuming a touch when I get close to, but do not touch, the screen.

I'm using a 4s.

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Gmail and iOS 7 on iPhone 4S

2013-09-20 Thread Marissa Solaun
Dear list
Have a question regarding Gmail, I set up Gmail on my iPhone 4S running iOS 7. 
The only thing I cannot figure out is is there a way to delete email messages 
like before with iOS 6 where you could turn the archive option off (in settings 
, mail) and the message would just be deleted when you pressed the delete 
button?  If so I am not finding that option. the only option I find is to 
archive the message

Anyone's assistance would be greatly appreciated
Thank you
Marissa

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