Music playing

2013-09-27 Thread Marissa Solaun
Dear list,
I have iOS 7 installed on my iPhone 4S, and other than a few bugs
things are working well here's a question for all of you, I purchased
the Adele album and have it in iTunes. but when I created my backup to
install iOS 7 I used iCloud and not iTunes .I've noticed since with
iOS 7 sometimes for no apparent reason my Adele album will be playing
in the background and iTunes radio sporadically? Ideas, how can I get
rid of the album from iTunes radio?

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-27 Thread Chris H
Well that's it you see and something I never thought about. It's a kin 
for Mac and Windows updates being pushed out to respected users.



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On 27/09/2013 03:14, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:

Folks folks, do you all who are upset about the iOS 7 being downloaded
also disable your Mac or Windows updates so they are not downloaded
without your permission? What about those who are more technically
challenged and would welcome this because it makes the process easier?

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Re: how to clear already downloaded apps?

2013-09-27 Thread Chris H

You can't.


christopher...@gmail.com

On 27/09/2013 02:13, Troy Sullivan wrote:

How do I clear apps from the updates that I've already downloaded?



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Re: installing IOS 7

2013-09-27 Thread Chris H
In the to field type the first few letters of a contact then touch above 
the keyboard and double tap on the contact you want. There is a bug 
where if you add a contact the other way you cannot focus to the message 
field. Doing it where you type something in the to field will not 
reproduce this bug.



christopher...@gmail.com

On 27/09/2013 00:49, Ray T. Mahorney wrote:

did it over the air and when it came back up it started cycling through the 
various voice over
languages.
I did run into an interesting issue I can add a contact to a new message but I 
cannot get to the
message body.  What am I missing?

Ray T. Mahorney
WA4WGA


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 23:03
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: installing IOS 7

Are you doing this over the air or via iTunes? One of the reasons I like doing 
this with iTunes is
that I get the periodic updates on each step from iTunes running on my PC.

On 09/26/2013 06:00 PM, Ray T. Mahorney wrote:

What should I expect to see during the install process?  When the
install started the phone shut down.  What's next and how long do I have to 
wait until I can go

near it again?



Ray T. Mahorney
WA4WGA





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RE: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-27 Thread James Homuth
To answer Raul's question, yes I do. It gets updated when I have time to
babysit it in the event the thing breaks. But to my knowledge, Apple isn't
actually forcing the update to install on your phone, just download, so I
really don't see the problem. Granted I also don't store my life on my
iPhone, so eh.

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Sent: September 27, 2013 5:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

Well that's it you see and something I never thought about. It's a kin for
Mac and Windows updates being pushed out to respected users.


christopher...@gmail.com

On 27/09/2013 03:14, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:
 Folks folks, do you all who are upset about the iOS 7 being downloaded
 also disable your Mac or Windows updates so they are not downloaded
 without your permission? What about those who are more technically
 challenged and would welcome this because it makes the process easier?

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 under CTRL. - Sheldon Cooper
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Re: voice over letter by letter

2013-09-27 Thread Robert Doc Wright
It is still pronouncing phonetics for me.
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From: James Lockwood lockwoo...@gmail.com
To: iphone group viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:40 PM
Subject: voice over letter by letter


alright. in IOS6 voice over would identify letters differently then IOS7 is 
currently doing so for me. Here is what i mean. If you are swiping through a 
word letter by letter, voice over used to read the letter and then say a 
word which begins with that letter in case you had a hard time hearing what 
letter had been said. so swiping through the word wall w a l l, voice over 
would first say the letter w if you swiped right one letter. then after a 
second it would say a word starting with the letter w such as white.

doing the process again, voice over would then say A. then after a minute it 
would say a word begining with A such as apple. i have noticed that with 
IOS7 voice over does not do this. anyone can reproduce this? it makes it 
hard for people who have a little hearing damage determine the difference 
between letters which sound the same such as B C D V E. if this has been a 
feature removed from the IOS it is yet another example of how apple seems to 
like to change things which work great, simply for the purpose of changing 
them. I cannot understand why a function like this would be removed from the 
IOS. I am quite pissed that so many things have been changed in IOS7 and it 
sure would be nice if apple was more user friendly and allowed users to roll 
their phones back.


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Re: east way to put music on to the phone

2013-09-27 Thread Robert Doc Wright
You can copy your music to the automatically add to iTunes  while ITunes 
is off.  Then when you open ITunes it will place the files in the necessary 
buffer. Or you can copy and paste right into the iTunes window.  When you 
speak of reorganizing  your music are you speaking within iTunes or on your 
iDevice ?
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Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 9:38 AM
Subject: RE: east way to put music on to the phone


Hi there, so how do I get the music on to the phone?
What's the best way to do it

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Use VLC for iPhone.  If you do it this way, VLC will keep your music the way
you already have it.  If you use iTunes, it's probably not going to stay the
same.

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Subject: east way to put music on to the phone

Hey guys,

OK, I have itunes installed on the pc.  I have my music already organized.
I am not looking to have itunes re-organize it.  What would be the best way
to bring some folders on to the iphone.

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RE: installing IOS 7

2013-09-27 Thread Ray T. Mahorney
I may have missed something first you're saying type something then not? If 
there's a bug is a roll
back in order so that I can restore the full functionality of my BT keyboard?  
If a roll back is in
order then how is that accomplished?  A keyboard which doesn't function fully 
is not on.


Ray T. Mahorney
WA4WGA


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chris H
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 09:20
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: installing IOS 7

In the to field type the first few letters of a contact then touch above the 
keyboard and double tap
on the contact you want. There is a bug where if you add a contact the other 
way you cannot focus to
the message field. Doing it where you type something in the to field will not 
reproduce this bug.


christopher...@gmail.com

On 27/09/2013 00:49, Ray T. Mahorney wrote:
 did it over the air and when it came back up it started cycling 
 through the various voice over languages.
 I did run into an interesting issue I can add a contact to a new 
 message but I cannot get to the message body.  What am I missing?

 Ray T. Mahorney
 WA4WGA


 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
 Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 23:03
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: installing IOS 7

 Are you doing this over the air or via iTunes? One of the reasons I 
 like doing this with iTunes is that I get the periodic updates on each step 
 from iTunes running on
my PC.

 On 09/26/2013 06:00 PM, Ray T. Mahorney wrote:
 What should I expect to see during the install process?  When the 
 install started the phone shut down.  What's next and how long do I 
 have to wait until I can go
 near it again?


 Ray T. Mahorney
 WA4WGA




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Re: Is there a button to toggle between speaker phone and hand set

2013-09-27 Thread Robert Doc Wright
you can also place your thumb over the ear piece and when you remove it it will 
switch to speaker.
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  Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 5:46 AM
  Subject: RE: Is there a button to toggle between speaker phone and hand set


  Yes, When in a call, you can hide the keyboard and there is a speakerphone 
button as part of a choice of 6 items. It's located on the right side of the 
screen, just up a bit from center, if my memory is working this moorning.

   

  HTH

  THom

   

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Jen Colley
  Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 5:04 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Is there a button to toggle between speaker phone and hand set

   

  Hi,  

  I have an iPhone 4S and I know to go between speaker phone and normal phone 
you can just shake the phone but is there an actual button you can hit on the 
screen to do the same thing?  

  Jen  

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RE: east way to put music on to the phone

2013-09-27 Thread Ray T. Mahorney
I am scratching my head here I don't see such a window but then I probably 
don't know what I am
supposed to be looking for


Ray T. Mahorney
WA4WGA


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 09:44
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: east way to put music on to the phone

You can copy your music to the automatically add to iTunes  while ITunes is 
off.  Then when you
open ITunes it will place the files in the necessary buffer. Or you can copy 
and paste right into
the iTunes window.  When you speak of reorganizing  your music are you speaking 
within iTunes or on
your iDevice ?
***
  When you give unto others whether or not they give to you in return, It 
matters not for your job
is  Complete  and your rewards forthcoming.

- Original Message -
From: Jed Barton j...@jedbarton.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 9:38 AM
Subject: RE: east way to put music on to the phone


Hi there, so how do I get the music on to the phone?
What's the best way to do it

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Of Kliphton
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: east way to put music on to the phone

Use VLC for iPhone.  If you do it this way, VLC will keep your music the way
you already have it.  If you use iTunes, it's probably not going to stay the
same.

Kliphton Senior
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Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 9:53 AM
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Subject: east way to put music on to the phone

Hey guys,

OK, I have itunes installed on the pc.  I have my music already organized.
I am not looking to have itunes re-organize it.  What would be the best way
to bring some folders on to the iphone.

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Re: turning on a device from completely off

2013-09-27 Thread Robert Doc Wright
I usually hold the power button for a count of 4.
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Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 8:44 PM
Subject: turning on a device from completely off


 Someone brought up today that she or he hated to power down because
it is impossible to tell how long to hold the button when powering back
on.  I totally agree.  Someone told us that you should empty the app
switcher before powering down.  For a full switcher makes the start-up
longer.
Well, I was trying to power back on after the iOS 7 had updated itself.
I dcouldn't get it and I couldn't get it. Well, I thought, let's put
this beast on the power supply.  It was actually a docking station.
When I did that and held the button, I do believe that I heard something
that let me know that we had power.
If they give you a light, it wouldn't hurt my feelings if they gave the
slightest beep too!
BestPen

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Re: About the dictionary in iOS 7

2013-09-27 Thread Robert Doc Wright
where is this dictionary?
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Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 9:34 AM
Subject: About the dictionary in iOS 7


When you go to use the dictionary for the first time in iOS 7 to  define a 
word you will find that voiceover will say no definition found. When you get 
that message, flick to the right and you will find a button that says 
manage. Double tap on that and you'll be presented with a list of 
dictionaries from which you can choose. Choose a dictionary and from then on 
that will be the default dictionary that your iPhone uses. The definitions 
will come up properly then.

Sent from my iPod

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Re: Favorites in Contacts - Very Annoying

2013-09-27 Thread Robert Doc Wright
A temporary fix might be to add an h or m after the name to designate the type 
of number.
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  Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 9:24 AM
  Subject: RE: Favorites in Contacts - Very Annoying


  Hi Tom,

   

  No, nothing you can do about this at this point except write to 
accessibil...@apple.com and report it and ask them to please fix it in the next 
update (in a nice way of course). I was running iOS 7 Beta and noticed that in 
the first 10 minutes because I do the same as you and sometimes add somebody's 
home and cell number. However, as long as you know which one comes first it's 
still useable, e.g. I usually put somebody's home number first, then their cell 
number so when I touch the Favorites list I know that if I tap on the top entry 
for a person it willcall their home and the one below will call their cell. I 
have, however, written to Apple Accessibility as well alreay and hope you do 
the same, only takes a few minutes and I am convinced that the more emails they 
get about a particular issue the faster it will be fixed.

   

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Tom Lange
  Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 5:31 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Favorites in Contacts - Very Annoying

   

  Hi folks,

  Since upgrading to IOS 7, I've noticed some strange behavior in Contacts 
that's really annoying.  In the Favorites list I have my girlfriend and some 
other friends and family members, and there are entries for their mobile phones 
as well as their land lines.  VoiceOver no longer identifies whether an entry 
is for a mobile phone or a land line; all it says is call.  That's not 
exactly helpful. So I have two questions:

  1.  Is there some sort of visual indicator that tells you whether the 
favorite is a mobile phone or a land line, and is VoiceOver unable to identify 
it properly?

  2.  Is there a setting that I can change to restore the original behavior?

   

   

   

 Thanks in advance.

   

  Tom

   

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RE: installing IOS 7

2013-09-27 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Ray and Chris,

First, I assume you are talking about text messages and not email messages
because I just used my Apple Wireless keyboard to start a new email and
added to recipiants, one by typing in the first few characters of a name and
then selecting it from the list and the other by selecting the Add from
addressbook button and selecting a second person. In the Mail app I was
able to use the right arrow on the keyboard after doing that to swipe to the
subject and message body field without any issues.

Now, in the Messages app I was not able to arrow past the To field or the
Add from addressbook button no matter whether I typed a few letters and
selected the contact from the search results or whether I selected the Add
from addressbook button and picked a person's mobile number from my
Contacts.

I could, however, touch the screen and put focus on the message field where
I could then type my message and, in fact, once focus was on that I was able
to left arrow back to the To field, the Add from addressbook button and also
arrow back forward.

If I opened an existing conversation and touched the screen on a previous
message I was able to arrow back and forth in that message, but not outside
it, Voiceover definitely behaves a bit strange here.
But, the iPhone after all is a touch screen device and while it's handy to
use a Bluetooth keyboard at times to type a longer message, I can still just
touch the screen to get where I want to be; if I exclusively want to
navigate with a Bluetooth keyboard without touching the screen then I would
seriously reconsider owning an iPhone.

I also found out that there is a simple work-around for getting from the
To field to the message field after adding a recipient or recipiants. Just
press Enter when you are in the To field and the cursor immediately jumps
to the message field where you can type your message, right arrow to the
Send button and activate it. I just tried the 2 obvious choices when I
noticed I couldn't right arrow ahead, first I pressed Tab and since that
didn't do anything I tried Enter and that worked fine.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Navigating the Messages app with a bluetooth keyboard

2013-09-27 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Sorry, I should have changed the subject from the previous thread.
Installing iOS 7 does not really reflect what Ray asked about regarding
using a Bluetooth keyboard in the Messages app, so I am reposting this.

Hi Ray and Chris,

First, I assume you are talking about text messages and not email messages
because I just used my Apple Wireless keyboard to start a new email and
added to recipiants, one by typing in the first few characters of a name and
then selecting it from the list and the other by selecting the Add from
addressbook button and selecting a second person. In the Mail app I was
able to use the right arrow on the keyboard after doing that to swipe to the
subject and message body field without any issues.

Now, in the Messages app I was not able to arrow past the To field or the
Add from addressbook button no matter whether I typed a few letters and
selected the contact from the search results or whether I selected the Add
from addressbook button and picked a person's mobile number from my
Contacts.

I could, however, touch the screen and put focus on the message field where
I could then type my message and, in fact, once focus was on that I was able
to left arrow back to the To field, the Add from addressbook button and also
arrow back forward.

If I opened an existing conversation and touched the screen on a previous
message I was able to arrow back and forth in that message, but not outside
it, Voiceover definitely behaves a bit strange here.
But, the iPhone after all is a touch screen device and while it's handy to
use a Bluetooth keyboard at times to type a longer message, I can still just
touch the screen to get where I want to be; if I exclusively want to
navigate with a Bluetooth keyboard without touching the screen then I would
seriously reconsider owning an iPhone.

I also found out that there is a simple work-around for getting from the
To field to the message field after adding a recipient or recipiants. Just
press Enter when you are in the To field and the cursor immediately jumps
to the message field where you can type your message, right arrow to the
Send button and activate it. I just tried the 2 obvious choices when I
noticed I couldn't right arrow ahead, first I pressed Tab and since that
didn't do anything I tried Enter and that worked fine.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Re: iPhone 5s Canada.

2013-09-27 Thread Pablo Morales
I am going to Ontario Toronto, and Ontario Winsor, fromt detroit.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:51 PM
  Subject: RE: iPhone 5s Canada.


  Hi Pablo,

   

  The iPhone 5S prices are as follows:

   

  16 Gb: $719.95, $650 in the States

  32 Gb: $819.95, $750 in the States

  64 Gb: 919.95, $850 in the States

   

  Of course you have to take about 5% or 6% off our prices because of the 
exchange rate. For you $920 Canadian is about $870 US give or take $5, so it's 
not that much more. Of course we have taxes with a capital T *smile*

   

  Apple Care here is $99, but if you wanted to get this you better ask how this 
works with respect to buying Apple Care here and then going to a different 
country.

   

  Also, where exactly will you go? Now I will tell you about our Taxes.

   

  In Alberta (biggest cities are Edmonton and Calgary) you would only pay 5% 
federal GST (Goods and Services Tax).

  In British Columbia (Vancouver, Victoria etc.) there is 5% GST and on top of 
that 7% PST (Provincial Sales Tax) for a total of 12%.

  In Ontario (Toronto, Ottawa)there is 5% GST and on top of that 8% PST 
(Provincial Sales Tax) for a total of 13%.

  In Quebec (Montreal, Quebec City etc.) there is 5% GST and on top of that 
9.975% QST (Quebec Sales Tax) for a total of 14.975%.

   

  Taxes in the maritime provinces are even more, as I said, if you let me know 
where you will be I can tell you exactly and also whether there are Apple 
Stores (most major cities have them. Anyhow, I am in British Columbia, so if 
you bought an unlocked iPhone 5S 64 Gb in Vancouver it would cost you $1,033.44 
after tax and before Apple Care. You do have 2 weeks to buy Apple Care so you 
might be able to buy an iPhone here and buy Apple Care in the States.

  Also, the exchange rate right now is about 5% or so in your favour, so in US 
currency that would be maybe $980 give or take a few Dollars.

  If you wait a few weeks you can buy one in the States for $850 although I 
don't of course know if there is a sales tax where you live, but even if there 
is you would probably still save a bit unless you also had something in the 
neighbourhood of a 15% sales tax if that even exists in the States.

   

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard


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Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-27 Thread MamaPeach
It has downloaded onto my device, just not installed. The reason I know this 
is I have another device that shows that there is an update available, IOS 
7.02, and with that I get download and install. On my other device which I 
am still running IOS 6.13, it is saying Install now instead of download and 
install, and I checked the amount of space available on the device a few 
days ago and now there is less space available than there was.


-Original Message- 
From: Ron Pelletier

Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

Hi all,

I doubt very much that Apple would get away with that or that they would
even try it.  I would very much like to see another source confirm this
before we all get into a tizzy and generate a whole lot of traffic on this
subject at this time of big time traffic due to IOS 7.  I remember being on
this list when we went from 5 to 6 and a lot of our members held out and
nobody reported being forced into the upgrade like they mentioned in that
article.

Ron  Danvers


Falling down is part of LIFE...
Getting back up is LIVING...


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ben Mustill-Rose
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

I would be willing to bet an extremely large amount of money that this is
incorrect. Have you found any other sources that are confirming this
information?

Cheers,
Ben.

On 9/26/13, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote:

That is incorrect, since the disk space is used by iOS 7.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 26, 2013, at 10:19 AM, John Diakogeorgiou
jdiakoge2...@gmail.com
wrote:

I'd be curious to know if anyone on this list experiences this. I
would also assume that you could easily reclaim the disk space lost.


On 9/26/13, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,

For those of you who want/need to stay on iOS 6 for whatever reason,
I come with some bad news.
According to an article I'll link to below, Apple is pushing the OTA
update to 7 automatically to devices that don't have 7 installed
yet, with no user consent, and no way to reclaim the lost storage
space the update uses when downloaded.
http://appadvice.com/appnn/2013/09/apple-is-automatically-pushing-ou
t-ios-7-to-holdout-devices

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RE: Navigating the Messages app with a bluetooth keyboard

2013-09-27 Thread Ray T. Mahorney
Enter in the too field of the message app worked as advertised.  To your other 
point I don't have
the dexterity or coordination to perform a fair number of the gestures hence 
the keyboard.


Ray T. Mahorney
WA4WGA


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 10:39
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Navigating the Messages app with a bluetooth keyboard

Sorry, I should have changed the subject from the previous thread.
Installing iOS 7 does not really reflect what Ray asked about regarding using 
a Bluetooth keyboard
in the Messages app, so I am reposting this.

Hi Ray and Chris,

First, I assume you are talking about text messages and not email messages 
because I just used my
Apple Wireless keyboard to start a new email and added to recipiants, one by 
typing in the first few
characters of a name and then selecting it from the list and the other by 
selecting the Add from
addressbook button and selecting a second person. In the Mail app I was able 
to use the right arrow
on the keyboard after doing that to swipe to the subject and message body field 
without any issues.

Now, in the Messages app I was not able to arrow past the To field or the 
Add from addressbook
button no matter whether I typed a few letters and selected the contact from 
the search results or
whether I selected the Add from addressbook button and picked a person's mobile 
number from my
Contacts.

I could, however, touch the screen and put focus on the message field where I 
could then type my
message and, in fact, once focus was on that I was able to left arrow back to 
the To field, the Add
from addressbook button and also arrow back forward.

If I opened an existing conversation and touched the screen on a previous 
message I was able to
arrow back and forth in that message, but not outside it, Voiceover definitely 
behaves a bit strange
here.
But, the iPhone after all is a touch screen device and while it's handy to use 
a Bluetooth keyboard
at times to type a longer message, I can still just touch the screen to get 
where I want to be; if I
exclusively want to navigate with a Bluetooth keyboard without touching the 
screen then I would
seriously reconsider owning an iPhone.

I also found out that there is a simple work-around for getting from the To 
field to the message
field after adding a recipient or recipiants. Just press Enter when you are in 
the To field and
the cursor immediately jumps to the message field where you can type your 
message, right arrow to
the Send button and activate it. I just tried the 2 obvious choices when I 
noticed I couldn't
right arrow ahead, first I pressed Tab and since that didn't do anything I 
tried Enter and that
worked fine.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Re: Constantly Asking For Apple Password

2013-09-27 Thread MamaPeach
It is NOT the passcode, I DO NOT have a passcode on my device. This screen 
gives my Apple ID and then asks for my Apple password, not passcode.


-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Chaltain

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Constantly Asking For Apple Password

You're talking about the pass code, but the subject line and original
message says Apple password, which is something different. I'm just
pointing this out in case the originator was looking for something else.
Maybe they could clarify.

On 09/26/2013 09:12 PM, Tom Frank wrote:

Go into Settings, then General,  and down to Password Lock. You can
change the setting from Immediately to One minute, five minutes, etc. I
changed mine to one hour.

I agree that the password immediately setting is very annoying.

Tom Frank
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mailto:mamape...@charter.net wrote:


Since updating to IOS 7 on my Ipod Touch 5th Gen, I am constantly
being asked to type in my Apple password. How do I stop this from
happening? I have looked around and can’t find where to stop this. I
thought it might be in iTunes and App Store, but I don’t see it in there.

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Automated Phone System Improvement

2013-09-27 Thread Les Kriegler
I just contacted Verizon's automated system using the iPhone 5S.  One can now 
hear the numbers spoken clearly when accessing the automated menu system.  I'm 
hopeful this means that a headset will no longer be required to deal with these 
systems.  If that's the case, then this is a major step forward.  I can 
understand the numbers as well as I can when making an actual call.

Les

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Increased mailbox size - Was Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-27 Thread Raul A. Gallegos
Hi, unfortunately the bigger increase of messages is simply that most of 
the time people don't read the answers to a question and ask the same 
question again, or several people answer the same question because they 
didn't read ahead to see if it had already been answered.


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On 9/26/2013 11:36 AM, Michael Malver wrote:

My e-mail inbox has doubled in the past week with people reporting bugs and
asking how to use features.  If the learning curve is that high, or if that
many bugs are being found, I'll wait.




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Re: Bard Mobile is out

2013-09-27 Thread Mary Otten
Hi Lori,
I don't think you can create an account from the Bard app. You have to have an 
account. Then you can login. Do you have an account with Bard or are you 
registered with your regional library?
Mary


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On Sep 26, 2013, at 8:37 PM, Lori Dent loriand...@ohiohills.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 I have Bar Mobile installed on my I phone 5. I have beentrying to find 
 create an account on my app. Where is create an account at? Thanks Lori and 
 the Gipper
 
 
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Re: some questions with the bard app

2013-09-27 Thread Mary Otten
 I thought I saw away when you're in the recent books and you want a book on 
your wish list, but you could turn that download link into a wish list link. 
But I can't find it now in the help documentation. Does anybody know if it is 
possible when you're in the recent books section to add something to your wish 
list?
Mary


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On Sep 26, 2013, at 5:46 PM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote:

 this isn't true, at least in the recent books/magazines list. If you tap on a 
 magazine in this you go directly to download. If you search you have to add 
 them to the wish list.  I wonder why you can simply download when in recently 
 added, and not in any other part of the site. 
 
 Alia
 On Sep 24, 2013, at 8:56 AM, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 You have to add books to your wish list before you can download them.
 
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Re: east way to put music on to the phone

2013-09-27 Thread Russ Kiehne
IN my case, on my ipod touch I use the sink selected playlists option. 
Works great.


-Original Message- 
From: Arianna

Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 9:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: east way to put music on to the phone

Personally, I really think that the sink selected playlists genres and 
albums option in iTunes is the best way to get music onto iDevices.




On Sep 26, 2013, at 8:52 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

Hi Jen,

Your best option and the one wit the most support and integration is to 
sync
your music to your iDevice using iTunes. I really don't understand why 
some

people on the list keep saying iTunes is not accessible and how they just
can't use it. I have had my first iDevice back in 2009 when I bought an 
iPod

Touch Third Gen and I have been using iTunes with Jaws ever since. It has
gotten progressively better and especially iTunes 10 with Jaws 12 and 
iTunes
11 with Jaws 13, 14 and now the Jaws 15 Beta work very well and everything 
I
can think of and have done is fully accessible out of the box. I can't 
speak
for other screenreaders, but from what I heard Window Eyes has equally 
good

iTunes support. Jonathan Mosen has a very good 2-part Podcast on using
iTunes 11 with Jaws 14 and you can find it by looking through the FS Cast
episodes at www.FreedomScientific.com/FSCast.

I should say that if you have a music library which is completely lacking
ID3 tags then you just have a bit of work ahead using any number of free
programs to tag your music. Alternatively, if you have a bunch of CD's, 
just

spend the extra time and rip them straight with iTunes and iTunes will tag
them properly. It's one of these things which you do once, but going 
forward

it is worthwhile.


Regards,
Sieghard


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Of Jed Barton
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 8:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: east way to put music on to the phone

Hi there, so how do I get the music on to the phone?
What's the best way to do it

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kliphton
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: east way to put music on to the phone

Use VLC for iPhone.  If you do it this way, VLC will keep your music the 
way
you already have it.  If you use iTunes, it's probably not going to stay 
the

same.

Kliphton Senior
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Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 9:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: east way to put music on to the phone

Hey guys,

OK, I have itunes installed on the pc.  I have my music already organized.
I am not looking to have itunes re-organize it.  What would be the best 
way

to bring some folders on to the iphone.

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i message questons

2013-09-27 Thread hannah day

Hello all

Can i ask on another list people are giving out there e-mail address's 
so people can use them to send i message i don't understand how i can 
send a i message to a e-mail address as surely it goes off the mobile 
number



Sorry if this seems off toppic but just thought i would try chat soon 
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Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-27 Thread Mary Otten
 Raul,
There is a huge difference when you're looking at a 32 or 16 GB I device versus 
a Windows or a Mac PC with many many megabytes gigabytes or even maybe 
terabytes of space. This is just wrong. I have 4 GB left on my iPhone. And when 
this unwanted download comes on, it's going to leave me with something around 1 
1/2 left. That is a problem.   
One of the things that Apple used to pride itself on his it just works. Given 
what I've heard about iOS 7 and voiceover, I don't think they're living up to 
their reputation. We pay a lot more for this hardware and put up with the 
walled garden because it is supposed to offer a superior experience. This is 
not an example of a superior experience. Quite honestly, this is more like what 
I would expect from the wild West in Google land, where it's incredibly 
fragmented, and excess ability is catch as catch can, and it's a mess. I don't 
pay big bucks to expect this kind of treatment from the company.
Mary experience. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 26, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote:

 Folks folks, do you all who are upset about the iOS 7 being downloaded also 
 disable your Mac or Windows updates so they are not downloaded without your 
 permission? What about those who are more technically challenged and would 
 welcome this because it makes the process easier?
 
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TuneIn Radio Pro question

2013-09-27 Thread Carla Kay Etheredge
Sorry if this comes through the list a few times...apparently I may 
have written the contact info wrong previously in my address book...I still 
haven’t seen my messages come through...so hopefully they are coming through 
now.

And now for my question...

Hello group,

A strange thing keeps happening with my husbands TuneIn Radio Pro app, it keeps 
crashing.  On my phone, it works fine.  I do not have the pro version though.  
I’m thinking the best way to fix his app is to uninstall it and re-install it.  
 My question is, this is the first paid app I’ve had to uninstall.  Will it 
make me purchase it again? I wouldn’t think so, but just checking with someone 
before I do uninstall and re-install...this way I don’t make a bigger hassle 
for myself? lol


We both are using the IPhone 5.
Thanks in advance.
Carla Kay Etheredge
ckethere...@inebraska.com

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Re: Favorites in Contacts - Very Annoying

2013-09-27 Thread Sherrie
Actually, unless Siri is down it is so easy to just say call Susie or call 
Susie at home and Siri dials it.  Since I usually call the mobile numbers she 
automatically dials that for frequently called numbers.  For those I don’t call 
often she asks if I want the mobile or home number.  Super easy and quick.
Sherrie


From: Robert Doc Wright 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 5:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Favorites in Contacts - Very Annoying

A temporary fix might be to add an h or m after the name to designate the type 
of number.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 9:24 AM
  Subject: RE: Favorites in Contacts - Very Annoying

  Hi Tom,

   

  No, nothing you can do about this at this point except write to 
accessibil...@apple.com and report it and ask them to please fix it in the next 
update (in a nice way of course). I was running iOS 7 Beta and noticed that in 
the first 10 minutes because I do the same as you and sometimes add somebody’s 
home and cell number. However, as long as you know which one comes first it’s 
still useable, e.g. I usually put somebody’s home number first, then their cell 
number so when I touch the Favorites list I know that if I tap on the top entry 
for a person it willcall their home and the one below will call their cell. I 
have, however, written to Apple Accessibility as well alreay and hope you do 
the same, only takes a few minutes and I am convinced that the more emails they 
get about a particular issue the faster it will be fixed.

   

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Tom Lange
  Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 5:31 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Favorites in Contacts - Very Annoying

   

  Hi folks,

  Since upgrading to IOS 7, I've noticed some strange behavior in Contacts 
that's really annoying.  In the Favorites list I have my girlfriend and some 
other friends and family members, and there are entries for their mobile phones 
as well as their land lines.  VoiceOver no longer identifies whether an entry 
is for a mobile phone or a land line; all it says is call.  That's not 
exactly helpful. So I have two questions:

  1.  Is there some sort of visual indicator that tells you whether the 
favorite is a mobile phone or a land line, and is VoiceOver unable to identify 
it properly?

  2.  Is there a setting that I can change to restore the original behavior?

   

   

   

 Thanks in advance.

   

  Tom

   

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help with Speed Up Player pro, please

2013-09-27 Thread Joanie
Is anyone on this list using this app? If so, please help. I can't get it to
work. I don't want to call Apple and get a refund if I can use the app.
Thanks!

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Eileen Misrahi
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 1:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Accessibility Response to iOS7 Push to Devices

Hello List,

A little while ago, I contacted accessibility to discuss the situation of
the automatic push of iOS7 to all devices that are still running iOS6. This
is a summary of what I was told. 

1. There is no way to remove it from the phone. 
2. One will receive an alert either from iTunes or on the phone if you want
to install iOS7 on the phone. However, the annoying iTunes alert to download
and install we probably will have to live with. 
3. They stated that the size of ioOS7 is between 2-3 GB. Hence, I am not a
happy camper that I have lost that much data storage. 

Now, if this is all true, then we are not being forced to install the
upgrade without our consent. Just be sure that you don't get finger happy if
you see an alert pop up when connected to iTunes or wirelessly on the phone
itself. I hope this has calm some of our nerves, but I will believe it when
I connect the phone and not have it update automatically. 

Eileen 

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Re: Indaisy problem in iOs 7 and question about best bookshare reader

2013-09-27 Thread Mary Otten
For book share, voice dream reader seems to be the best way to go. There is 
also read to go, but it is more expensive and is not updated very frequently. 
I'm not sure if it works on iOS 7. Voice dream does work on iOS 7, and it reads 
other things besides bookshare books.
Mary


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On Sep 26, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 
 I just became member of bookshare. 
 Now I am looking for the best options to read books on the iPhone. 
 Has anyone tried more of them? 
 On a different note but yet related I am having trouble with indaisy since 
 iOS 7. I cannot get out of a book to the book shelf. Anyone has any ideas? 
 
 Thanks for your suggestions. 
 
 Ioana
 
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Re: installing IOS 7

2013-09-27 Thread Anthony Vece
It went well.
I had no problem.


Sent from my Verizon iPhone 5!

 On Sep 26, 2013, at 7:28 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Nothing to do really.  It might take about 10 minutes for your phone to start 
 back up.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Sep 26, 2013, at 7:00 PM, Ray T. Mahorney mahorney@googlemail.com 
 wrote:
 
 What should I expect to see during the install process?  When the install 
 started the phone shut
 down.  What's next and how long do I have to wait until I can go near it 
 again?
 
 
 Ray T. Mahorney
 WA4WGA
 
 
 
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RE: east way to put music on to the phone

2013-09-27 Thread Paulette Vickery
How do you rip cds with iTunes?

Paulette

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: east way to put music on to the phone

Hi Jen,

Your best option and the one wit the most support and integration is to sync
your music to your iDevice using iTunes. I really don't understand why some
people on the list keep saying iTunes is not accessible and how they just
can't use it. I have had my first iDevice back in 2009 when I bought an iPod
Touch Third Gen and I have been using iTunes with Jaws ever since. It has
gotten progressively better and especially iTunes 10 with Jaws 12 and iTunes
11 with Jaws 13, 14 and now the Jaws 15 Beta work very well and everything I
can think of and have done is fully accessible out of the box. I can't speak
for other screenreaders, but from what I heard Window Eyes has equally good
iTunes support. Jonathan Mosen has a very good 2-part Podcast on using
iTunes 11 with Jaws 14 and you can find it by looking through the FS Cast
episodes at www.FreedomScientific.com/FSCast.

I should say that if you have a music library which is completely lacking
ID3 tags then you just have a bit of work ahead using any number of free
programs to tag your music. Alternatively, if you have a bunch of CD's, just
spend the extra time and rip them straight with iTunes and iTunes will tag
them properly. It's one of these things which you do once, but going forward
it is worthwhile.


Regards,
Sieghard


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Of Jed Barton
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 8:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: east way to put music on to the phone

Hi there, so how do I get the music on to the phone?
What's the best way to do it

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kliphton
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: east way to put music on to the phone

Use VLC for iPhone.  If you do it this way, VLC will keep your music the way
you already have it.  If you use iTunes, it's probably not going to stay the
same.

Kliphton Senior
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Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 9:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: east way to put music on to the phone

Hey guys,

OK, I have itunes installed on the pc.  I have my music already organized.
I am not looking to have itunes re-organize it.  What would be the best way
to bring some folders on to the iphone.

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Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-27 Thread Mary Otten
Well, it seems to me that the bugs in contacts where you can't edit the first 
or last name of a contact are in and of themselves serious enough to warrant 
not upgrading. And as somebody with a 32 GB model who doesn't have all that 
much space left, I really don't want this  3 GB worth of download on my iPhone 
until I'm ready to upgrade. Chris I don't understand why you don't get this. 
But to each his own.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 26, 2013, at 9:26 AM, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't understand the hold out either and actually think this is a good move 
 on Apple's part. I know iOS 7 contain bugs, but all initial releases of 
 software, regardless of platform, will have bugs. They will only improve not 
 worsen over time. I have a few bugs myself in iOS 7 but I cope with them and 
 they are not deal breakers for me. I guess some of us on here, as well as 
 some of the general public, do not like change. Well it's what it is so deal 
 with it. And that's not me being harsh; that's me being realistic.
 
 On 26/09/2013 16:15, Daniel Miller wrote:
 Hello,
 
 For those of you who want/need to stay on iOS 6 for whatever reason, I come 
 with some bad news.
 According to an article I’ll link to below, Apple is pushing the OTA update 
 to 7 automatically to devices that don’t have 7 installed yet, with no user 
 consent, and no way to reclaim the lost storage space the update uses when 
 downloaded.
 http://appadvice.com/appnn/2013/09/apple-is-automatically-pushing-out-ios-7-to-holdout-devices
 
 
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Re: new update 7.02 RE: Possible Fix for iOS 7 was: Re: Want to Downgrade to IOS6

2013-09-27 Thread Mary Otten
I don't suppose they gave a list of changes or bug fixes for the iOS 7.02, did 
they I don't understand why when updates are released you don't get a 
comprehensive list of the fixes and changes. Makes no sense at all. And it 
isn't just Apple.
Mary


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On Sep 26, 2013, at 11:44 AM, Wayne gmail  ewaynebrum...@gmail.com wrote:

 And the good news is that Apple has just released ios7.02smile.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Alan Paganelli
 Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 1:40 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Possible Fix for ios 7 was: Re: Want to Downgrade to IOS6
 
 I have actually done this with  iPhone 4.  Some how, some way I got a glitch
 in the system where I couldn't performed a sync job between my computer and
 my phone.  The only way to fix the problem was to perform a restore from
 backup.  To put it in context, I was about as nervous as a bride groom in
 church five minutes before the ceremony.  After the Dior warnings which
 didn't help my 0peace of mind, I hit the enter key and thought may God favor
 the foolish!
 
 Friends, this is not something you want to do when your short of time.  I
 don't remember how long mine took but I seem to recall something approaching
 a week but then again that may have been due to my fear.  When the dust and
 the smoke settled and a couple of stiff drinks, my iPhone had been restored
 to the way it was that date the backup was made.  I lost one or two apps
 that I had installed sense that backup but none of my 17 GB worth of music. 
 The apps were easily restored and I am here to tell you the story.
 
 Now here is something else too.  Before installing ios 7 on my iPhone 4, I
 decided I would  iClean which has already been discussed on this list and I
 highly recommend.  I had freed up 997 MB just under a gig.  Last night I was
 thinking I wonder how many temp files and such get left behind when you lay
 one system over the other and could iClean fix any problems in ios 7?  To my
 amazement, it removed 198 MB worth of temp files.  Ok so I've got another 2
 hundred megs free.  I don't quite understand what happened here and maybe
 smarter folks then I can explained it but my iPhone 4 and ios 7 now run with
 out that strange slow down thing.  Sometimes I'd try to flick up to get to
 the next page of apps and find myself 2 pages away or be reading something
 in an app and get kicked out of the app for no apparent reason.  I've
 haven't tried everything because I just started playing with this but at
 first glance, things seem to be greatly improved.
 ---
 
 Regards,
 
 Alan
 
 Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
 
 Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
 Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
 
 Please click on:
 http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
 There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
 the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
 website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Cara Quinn modelc...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 4:22 PM
 Subject: Re: Want to Downgrade to IOS6
 
 
 If you update your phone through iTunes, there is a copy of your OS on 
 your computer but locating it is not always a small feat.
 
 -And, at this point, this is moot anyway.
 
 However, for future reference, whether or not you back up your phone, as 
 long as you update your phone's software using iTunes, you'll have a copy 
 of your OS on your system, so you can restore to it, should you need.
 
 If you would like more detail on this feel free to ask. Otherwise, Google 
 is your friend.
 
 Have a nice evening!
 
 Smiles,
 
 Cara :)
 On Sep 25, 2013, at 12:15 PM, Jack Conti jackco...@cox.net wrote:
 
 Scott i don't believe the  os gets backed up.  at least thats what i read.
 At 09:44 AM 9/25/2013, you wrote:
 Hi,
 I think that I would like to downgrade back to IOS6.  I always do IOS 
 upgrades through iTunes so that I have a backup on my computer.  If I 
 restore my backup from just before the upgrade, will it restore the 
 operating system back to IOS6?
 Thanks,
 Scott Duck
 
 
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Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-27 Thread Mary Otten
I'm on,
I couldn't agree with you more. I am curious what the big feature in iOS 7 is 
that convinced you to upgrade.
I myself have not upgraded I don't want to upgrade right now. I have a less 
buggy iOS 6 that works for me. And I am so angry at Apple that if I didn't 
dislike android so much, this stupid move on their part would be enough to make 
me switch over to the other platform. The Sendero upgrade for the GPS that 
works on iOS 7 is not yet out. I am pretty sure there are some other apps that 
also have yet to be upgraded. It is arrogant and controlling beyond belief that 
Apple should force a download onto anybody. What in gods name are they 
thinking? I know this sounds strong, and I suppose it is. But really Apple you 
are going to far this time.
 Mary
 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 26, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi, Chris and all.
 I would, Chris, respectfully disagree with what you say below. I
 neither like nor dislike change, but like change for the better and
 dislike change for the worse. I have upgraded to iOS 7 because it has
 one absolutely earthshaking feature which makes my use allot easier
 than it was. If that feature weren't there, I would not have updated.
 I have heard of very few things more foolish than Apple's downloading
 the update to the devices. People could want to avoid the program
 because of the bugs. They could be in a place with a satellite or
 other expensive connection and not want to download such a large file.
 This would be particularly nasty if the connection charged by the
 megabyte. They could have their disk nearly full and need to keep
 space open. They could have an older device which they don't want to
 upgrade though Apple says it can be upgraded. They could have an
 unstable network which may not like having large files downloaded over
 it. They could have a network which is constantly in use and is,
 therefore, very slow for downloads of large files. They could be
 avoiding the update because they like jailbroken devices. They may
 have applications which don't work, or don't work properly, on iOS 7.
 I could go on. There are tons of reasons not to upgrade, many of which
 are excellent.
 Aman
 
 On 9/26/13, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote:
 I don't understand the hold out either and actually think this is a good
 move on Apple's part. I know iOS 7 contain bugs, but all initial
 releases of software, regardless of platform, will have bugs. They will
 only improve not worsen over time. I have a few bugs myself in iOS 7 but
 I cope with them and they are not deal breakers for me. I guess some of
 us on here, as well as some of the general public, do not like change.
 Well it's what it is so deal with it. And that's not me being harsh;
 that's me being realistic.
 
 On 26/09/2013 16:15, Daniel Miller wrote:
 Hello,
 
 For those of you who want/need to stay on iOS 6 for whatever reason, I
 come with some bad news.
 According to an article I’ll link to below, Apple is pushing the OTA
 update to 7 automatically to devices that don’t have 7 installed yet, with
 no user consent, and no way to reclaim the lost storage space the update
 uses when downloaded.
 http://appadvice.com/appnn/2013/09/apple-is-automatically-pushing-out-ios-7-to-holdout-devices
 
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Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-27 Thread Dan Murphy
Well my GF didn't even actively download the update. It just said settings, 1 
item. When we looked, we discovered that it had been downloaded at some point, 
perhaps when her phone was idle. I wonder how much longer it would have just 
sat there before it went ahead and installed itself. Apple should be a bit more 
careful doing stuff like that to people.

SENT FROM MY IPHONE


 On Sep 26, 2013, at 4:15 PM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I have no problem with legacy software not being supported after a time. It's 
 the extra space that automatically-downloaded stuff takes up on the device 
 that makes me a bit uncomfortable. As i pointed out somewhere else, I first 
 had to download IoS7 and then install it. There was no automatic factor in 
 my experience. however, if folks are getting automatic 3-gig downloads 
 without asking for them, then it leads me to wonder if there's a setting that 
 one could disable for doing this.
 
 Teresa
 On Sep 26, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 except you're not actually being forced to update Windows XP. You can run it 
 forever, you just won't get support from Microsoft for it. I don't think 
 that's unreasonable since XP is so old and MS has released three major 
 operating system versions since XP. Also, you were still getting support and 
 updates for XP after Vista was released, after Windows 7 was released and 
 even after Windows 8 was released. I still think it's a bad comparison, but 
 that's just my opinion, and I don't expect to change anyone's mind, so I'll 
 shut up about it.
 
 On 09/26/2013 02:52 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I think its a decent comparison since desktop OS’s don’t update nearly the 
 speed of a Mobile OS.  And either way, the feeling is the same.  That’s 
 what the issue really is here.  Your hand being forced to adopt a 
 technology you might not really want.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Sep 26, 2013, at 3:26 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Quite a few people are upset with Microsoft for dropping support of 
 windows XP. Also, Microsoft dropping support for an operating system over 
 a decade old is not the same issue as Apple pushing out an OS that's only 
 a few days old to everyone's iPhone. Note that I don't have a problem with 
 Apple; I'm just pointing out that this is not a good comparison.
 
 On 09/26/2013 02:19 PM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:
 I agree with Ricardo. I don't hear people bashing Microsoft for not
 supporting Windows XP in the next few months or other old software.
 Also most apps have been updated to work with IOS 7. Finally if you
 consider the traffic regarding bugs and questions a large part exists
 because people don't read others email which has already answered
 their question. I'm not sure why anyone wouldn't want to update since
 overall IOS 7 is better but that's a matter of choice.
 
 On 9/26/13, Sean Paul newsandtraf...@aol.com wrote:
 Nicely done Mr. Walker... Couldn't have said it better myself. Life is 
 life
 
  we've gotta live it. We'll be forced to do things we don't want to do 
 by
 Apple, the Government, Microsoft, our neighborhoods, etc.
 - Original Message -
 From: Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com
 To: viphone viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 15:10
 Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
 
 
 Hi,
 
 Not trying to be confrontational but, people force you to do stuff like 
 this
 
 all the time.  For example, if you want IOS 7 but have an iPhone 3GS?  
 You
 have to at least get your hands on an iPhone 4.  You might love your 
 phone
 but, you want that new update so you get a new phone.
 
 Or how about internet explorer 10.  You want to have access to certain 
 web
 sites, your still using Windows XP?  You either update tow windows 7 or 
 8,
 or try to use another web browser.
 
 This is really nothing new.  The more people that are running the same OS
 or, using the same hardware, makes it easier for developers to push out
 updates and new content.
 
 Sure, in some cases its a straight money grab.  Other times, companies 
 force
 
 the issue because they don’t want to support old hardware/software 
 anymore.
 
 Or, they’re trying to create a more unified experience among their users.
 
 JMO.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Sep 26, 2013, at 2:33 PM, Patti Johnson pattigj1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I agree, this is absolutely not right. Nobody makes me do anything I 
 dont'
 
 want to do, especially something like this.
 If this kind of dictitorial behavior keeps up I'm going to get rid of my
 phone.
 Patti
 On 9/26/2013 11:45 AM, Regina Alvarado wrote:
 If this is true, there are going to be some court challenges I bet. 
 This
 
 is not right in my opinion.
 
 
 reggie and Allegra
 
 On Sep 26, 2013, 

RE: Navigating the Messages app with a Bluetooth keyboard

2013-09-27 Thread Kliphton
The other work around is, use the go to bottom of window command.  That
command is control downarrow.  That will put focus on the send button, then
you can left arrow back to the edit field, write what you want, and then go
back to the send button.  This is the way Ialways done it that's probably
why I never noticed it until it was mentioned here.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 5:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Navigating the Messages app with a bluetooth keyboard

Sorry, I should have changed the subject from the previous thread.
Installing iOS 7 does not really reflect what Ray asked about regarding
using a Bluetooth keyboard in the Messages app, so I am reposting this.

Hi Ray and Chris,

First, I assume you are talking about text messages and not email messages
because I just used my Apple Wireless keyboard to start a new email and
added to recipiants, one by typing in the first few characters of a name and
then selecting it from the list and the other by selecting the Add from
addressbook button and selecting a second person. In the Mail app I was
able to use the right arrow on the keyboard after doing that to swipe to the
subject and message body field without any issues.

Now, in the Messages app I was not able to arrow past the To field or the
Add from addressbook button no matter whether I typed a few letters and
selected the contact from the search results or whether I selected the Add
from addressbook button and picked a person's mobile number from my
Contacts.

I could, however, touch the screen and put focus on the message field where
I could then type my message and, in fact, once focus was on that I was able
to left arrow back to the To field, the Add from addressbook button and also
arrow back forward.

If I opened an existing conversation and touched the screen on a previous
message I was able to arrow back and forth in that message, but not outside
it, Voiceover definitely behaves a bit strange here.
But, the iPhone after all is a touch screen device and while it's handy to
use a Bluetooth keyboard at times to type a longer message, I can still just
touch the screen to get where I want to be; if I exclusively want to
navigate with a Bluetooth keyboard without touching the screen then I would
seriously reconsider owning an iPhone.

I also found out that there is a simple work-around for getting from the
To field to the message field after adding a recipient or recipiants. Just
press Enter when you are in the To field and the cursor immediately jumps
to the message field where you can type your message, right arrow to the
Send button and activate it. I just tried the 2 obvious choices when I
noticed I couldn't right arrow ahead, first I pressed Tab and since that
didn't do anything I tried Enter and that worked fine.


Regards,
Sieghard

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RE: east way to put music on to the phone

2013-09-27 Thread Paulette Vickery
What is VLC?

Paulette

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kliphton
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: east way to put music on to the phone

Use VLC for iPhone.  If you do it this way, VLC will keep your music the way
you already have it.  If you use iTunes, it's probably not going to stay the
same.

Kliphton Senior
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
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Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 9:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: east way to put music on to the phone

Hey guys,

OK, I have itunes installed on the pc.  I have my music already organized.
I am not looking to have itunes re-organize it.  What would be the best way
to bring some folders on to the iphone.

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Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-27 Thread Wil James
As far as I can remember, Apple has always downloaded the update and left the 
option of installing to the user.  Personally, I see nothing wrong with this 
approach.



Sent from my iPad Mini

 On Sep 26, 2013, at 12:08 PM, tcors...@cfl.rr.com wrote:
 
 Well, without my permission apple has downloaded the upgraded software 
 apparently, but when I went into settings and saw only install, I close 
 settings without installing.  So, apparently it is there on my phone and 
 waiting to be installed.  I wish to hold out for a while so will see what 
 happens.
  
  
 Donna
 tcors...@cfl.rr.com
  
 From: Crystal French
 Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:01 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
  
 Well, I am still using IO’s 6 on my iPhone 4.
  
 I am going to be getting the 5s, but hesitate to update to IO s 7 because I 
 would be in trouble if something went drastically wrong with my 4.
  
 Frankly, I can’t imagine that Appple really cares what I do or don’t have on 
 my iPhone 4.
  
 Crystal
  
 From: Regina Alvarado
 Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 10:45 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
  
 If this is true, there are going to be some court challenges I bet. This is 
 not right in my opinion. 
 
 
 reggie and Allegra
 
 On Sep 26, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 For those of you who want/need to stay on iOS 6 for whatever reason, I come 
 with some bad news.
 According to an article I’ll link to below, Apple is pushing the OTA update 
 to 7 automatically to devices that don’t have 7 installed yet, with no user 
 consent, and no way to reclaim the lost storage space the update uses when 
 downloaded.
 http://appadvice.com/appnn/2013/09/apple-is-automatically-pushing-out-ios-7-to-holdout-devices
 
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Re: Facebook app update

2013-09-27 Thread janet wright

wow I still can't see my notifications on the face book ap



*** God has a plan for me. I may not see it right away but I'm willing to 
wait on the blessing he has in store for me!
-Original Message- 
From: Krister Ekstrom

Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 5:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Facebook app update

Hi,
I on the other hand have noticed that after the update, i can now see 
notifications which i couldn't before yesterday. I don't remember what else 
to look out for so can't either say yes or no to if the bug exists.

/Krister

26 sep 2013 kl. 13:18 skrev Alex Stone alexstone...@btinternet.com:

I notice that there was an update to the Facebook update yesterday, which 
as
far as I can tell completely fails to fix any of the accessibility 
problems

we've been complaining about.

Cheers

Alex

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RE: problem when answering calls

2013-09-27 Thread CD
I have a horrible time answering calls with the speaker sensor since
upgrading.  So I believe it has somethig to do with the 4s having a slower
reaction.  I've seen the 5s and it is much more stable and I can't wait
until May when I can upgrade to the 5s.


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Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 8:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: problem when answering calls

I don't think its an accessability  issue. I've never seen this problem on a
4, 5 or 5s.

On 9/26/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 I did have this happening a bit in iOS 6 with my 4S and it can be 
 hardware related since there is a proximity sensor in the phone. 
 However, it might be a bit worse in iOS 7 although there haven't been 
 many people reporting this from what I have seen. Anyhow, there is 
 nothing you can really do except that you can of course avoid it by 
 using a headset or I guess you could turn Voiceover off with a triple 
 click home before you pick up the call, but then of course using a 
 2-finger double tap wouldn't work to pick up the call and the triple 
 click home to turn off Voiceover doesn't work after you pick it up.
 On my 4S I find that it often happens right at the beginning of the 
 call and after a few seconds it sort of settles down. I have a 5S on 
 the way and hopefully it won't be an issue with it.

 I would report it to Apple Accessibility if you are sure this never 
 happened before you upgraded. In fact, if you agree with the way I 
 feel, I would probably suggest that they take this automatic switching 
 out of Voiceover completely. It's easy enough for example in apps like 
 Skype to switch to speakerphone by tapping on the Speakerphone button 
 and I don't see why we can't do this like anybody else with the 
 regular Phone app. I am sure Apple thought they want to make this easy 
 for a blind person so they don't have to find the Speakerphone button, 
 but if anything they could implement a Shake to Switch feature or 
 maybe a custom gesture would be possible, like drawing an S: during 
 a call would toggle speakerphone.
 .

 Regards,
 Sieghard

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Martin Nelson
 Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 7:49 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: problem when answering calls

 Hi, Everyone. I am using an iphone 4s. With the update to ios 7 I find 
 that when I answer a call the speaker activates even though I have the 
 phone to my ear. It takes a few seconds for the ear piece to kick in. 
 This appears to be a bug with io 7. Is there a way to fix this?
 Thank you.
 Regards,
 Martin Nelson

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RE: About the dictionary in iOS 7

2013-09-27 Thread Mohammed Rashid
How do you get to the dictionary itself.

Kind regards 
Mohammed Rashid

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Sent: 26 September 2013 14:53
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Subject: Re: About the dictionary in iOS 7

To use the dictionary,  Type a word you want to define in an edit field in a
note or text message or select a word from same.
then, turn your rotor to edit and flick down with one finger till  you here
define and double tap.

hth


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wrote:

 How do I use the dictionary feature?
 
 On 9/25/13, Peninnah Fleischer peninnah.fleisc...@gmail.com wrote:
 When you go to use the dictionary for the first time in iOS 7 to  define
a
 word you will find that voiceover will say no definition found. When you
get
 that message, flick to the right and you will find a button that says
 manage. Double tap on that and you'll be presented with a list of
 dictionaries from which you can choose. Choose a dictionary and from then
on
 that will be the default dictionary that your iPhone uses. The
definitions
 will come up properly then.
 
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Where is the dictionary?

2013-09-27 Thread Anthony Vece
Hi Everyone;

I am unable to find the dictionary?
Where is it?

Thanks in advance.

Anthony


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Re: problem when answering calls

2013-09-27 Thread Anthony Vece
Go to General,
Accessibility,
and, be sure that incoming calls is set to Default.


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 Hi, Everyone. I am using an iphone 4s. With the update to ios 7 I find that 
 when I answer a call the speaker activates even though I have the phone to my 
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 a bug with io 7. Is there a way to fix this?
 Thank you.
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Re: problem when answering calls

2013-09-27 Thread Anthony Vece
No, it is not an accessibility issue.
However; the Default adjustment is under accessibility.


Sent from my Verizon iPhone 5!

 On Sep 26, 2013, at 11:10 AM, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I don't think its an accessability  issue. I've never seen this
 problem on a 4, 5 or 5s.
 
 On 9/26/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 I did have this happening a bit in iOS 6 with my 4S and it can be hardware
 related since there is a proximity sensor in the phone. However, it might
 be
 a bit worse in iOS 7 although there haven't been many people reporting this
 from what I have seen. Anyhow, there is nothing you can really do except
 that you can of course avoid it by using a headset or I guess you could
 turn
 Voiceover off with a triple click home before you pick up the call, but
 then
 of course using a 2-finger double tap wouldn't work to pick up the call and
 the triple click home to turn off Voiceover doesn't work after you pick it
 up.
 On my 4S I find that it often happens right at the beginning of the call
 and
 after a few seconds it sort of settles down. I have a 5S on the way and
 hopefully it won't be an issue with it.
 
 I would report it to Apple Accessibility if you are sure this never
 happened
 before you upgraded. In fact, if you agree with the way I feel, I would
 probably suggest that they take this automatic switching out of Voiceover
 completely. It's easy enough for example in apps like Skype to switch to
 speakerphone by tapping on the Speakerphone button and I don't see why we
 can't do this like anybody else with the regular Phone app. I am sure Apple
 thought they want to make this easy for a blind person so they don't have
 to
 find the Speakerphone button, but if anything they could implement a Shake
 to Switch feature or maybe a custom gesture would be possible, like
 drawing
 an S: during a call would toggle speakerphone.
 .
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
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 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Martin Nelson
 Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 7:49 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: problem when answering calls
 
 Hi, Everyone. I am using an iphone 4s. With the update to ios 7 I find that
 when I answer a call the speaker activates even though I have the phone to
 my ear. It takes a few seconds for the ear piece to kick in. This appears
 to
 be a bug with io 7. Is there a way to fix this?
 Thank you.
 Regards,
 Martin Nelson
 
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Re: east way to put music on to the phone

2013-09-27 Thread Russ Kiehne
That's what I did when I first got my ipod touch.  Over a period of time I 
put in the missing mp3 tag info.  A lot of music was restored from lp's.


-Original Message- 
From: Jed Barton

Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 10:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: east way to put music on to the phone

I have a bunch of stuff that has tags, and some doesn't.
Would you suggest just making playlists?
Would that be the easiest thing?

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Russ Kiehne
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: east way to put music on to the phone

It's true that itunes is accessible.  The biggest problem is, if your mp3's
have no tag info, it creates a big problem on how your music is organized.
It took me a while to have to fix these mp3's.  To get around this problem
when I started using my ipod, I created m3u playlists outside of itunes.
Then I imported them into itunes and the music played in the order I wanted
it to on my ipod.

-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 8:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: east way to put music on to the phone

Hi Jen,

Your best option and the one wit the most support and integration is to sync
your music to your iDevice using iTunes. I really don't understand why some
people on the list keep saying iTunes is not accessible and how they just
can't use it. I have had my first iDevice back in 2009 when I bought an iPod
Touch Third Gen and I have been using iTunes with Jaws ever since. It has
gotten progressively better and especially iTunes 10 with Jaws 12 and iTunes
11 with Jaws 13, 14 and now the Jaws 15 Beta work very well and everything I
can think of and have done is fully accessible out of the box. I can't speak
for other screenreaders, but from what I heard Window Eyes has equally good
iTunes support. Jonathan Mosen has a very good 2-part Podcast on using
iTunes 11 with Jaws 14 and you can find it by looking through the FS Cast
episodes at www.FreedomScientific.com/FSCast.

I should say that if you have a music library which is completely lacking
ID3 tags then you just have a bit of work ahead using any number of free
programs to tag your music. Alternatively, if you have a bunch of CD's, just
spend the extra time and rip them straight with iTunes and iTunes will tag
them properly. It's one of these things which you do once, but going forward
it is worthwhile.


Regards,
Sieghard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jed Barton
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 8:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: east way to put music on to the phone

Hi there, so how do I get the music on to the phone?
What's the best way to do it

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kliphton
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: east way to put music on to the phone

Use VLC for iPhone.  If you do it this way, VLC will keep your music the way
you already have it.  If you use iTunes, it's probably not going to stay the
same.

Kliphton Senior
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jed Barton
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 9:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: east way to put music on to the phone

Hey guys,

OK, I have itunes installed on the pc.  I have my music already organized.
I am not looking to have itunes re-organize it.  What would be the best way
to bring some folders on to the iphone.

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Re: making phonecalls wasRe: Siri question.

2013-09-27 Thread John Kolwick
  Hi, only tried it once and it did not work, however, I was in a somewhat 
noisy environment.  


From: Troy Sullivan 
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 6:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: making phonecalls wasRe: Siri question.


Has anyone had trouble making calls with cerie? She will say calling so and so 
but the call never goes through, However I will have her call the number again 
and it's fine. Using ios7
  - Original Message - 
  From: Penny Golden 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 5:20 PM
  Subject: Re: Siri question.



  on the other hand, my siri only now answers instead of repeating the question.
  My old siri used to say: you saidd, and then she'd act like telephone, the 
game the kids play, because she (or now he) apparently does not believe that I 
speak clearly enough.

  On 9/25/2013 4:15 PM, Fred Olver wrote: 
When I dictate a message for Siri, she repeats it twice. Any way to get it 
only said once? 

Fred Olver 


Author of Dealing with Vision Loss  


have a look it just makes sense. 

http://www.dealingwithvisionloss.com 




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Re: Want to Downgrade to IOS6

2013-09-27 Thread simon wong
But for those that have not updated their phone to the seven how long can we 
continue to use the six

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-09-26, at 7:05 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose b...@benmr.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Unfortunately, as Cara said in her message, even though there may be a
 copy of the os on your computer, the point is moot as you won't be
 able to restore to it anyway.
 
 An extremely simplified version of the restore process is:
 
 1: The process is invoked using iTunes.
 2: The os is in part transferred to the phone.
 3: iTunes checks with Apple to see if you are allowed to install the
 os you want on a device that you own.
 4: In this situation, Apple returns that the restore can't continue so
 an error is printed.
 5: The phone becomes unusable until you reinstall iOS7.
 
 Unfortunately this is one of the trade-offs of using Apple products.
 There are some valid reasons why Apple doesn’t want you to downgrade,
 but I do agree that it's silly that you're unable to downgrade a
 device that you've purchased and in some instances you will be stuck
 with a device that you can't use - E.G. iOS5 and some braille
 displays. I've resisted updating to iOS7 due to the issues that people
 have reported on this list; I like other people here use my phone for
 much more than making calls and the idea that my 4S may lag extremely
 badly once the os is installed, at least to me is unacceptable, so
 I've chosen to stick with 6.
 
 Unfortunately there isn't really anything we can do to change the
 situation. However, if these practices annoy you, you can take comfort
 in the fact that ultimately they're shooting themselves in the foot by
 partaking in them as I know lots of people who will jump ship for
 precisely this reason once something viable is available.
 
 Cheers,
 Ben.
 
 On 9/26/13, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote:
 but if a got a copy of the IOs 6  stored in my computer, how can I tell
 iTunes that I need to use it, instead the IOs 7?
 - Original Message -
 From: Scott Duck l...@csdconsulting.biz
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 6:08 AM
 Subject: RE: Want to Downgrade to IOS6
 
 
 Cara,
 I did update through iTunes.  I like doing it that way better, mostly
 because I have more than 5 gigs of data and don't want to pay for extra
 iCloud storage for the backup.  Anyway, how do I locate and restore the
 backup of IOS6?  It seems that it would be as simple as just restoring
 from
 the previous backup but, from the comments of others on the list, I guess
 not.  I would appreciate any info that you can provide.
 Thanks,
 Scott Duck
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Cara Quinn
 Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 6:23 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Want to Downgrade to IOS6
 
 If you update your phone through iTunes, there is a copy of your OS on
 your
 computer but locating it is not always a small feat.
 
 -And, at this point, this is moot anyway.
 
 However, for future reference, whether or not you back up your phone, as
 long as you update your phone's software using iTunes, you'll have a copy
 
 of
 your OS on your system, so you can restore to it, should you need.
 
 If you would like more detail on this feel free to ask. Otherwise, Google
 
 is
 your friend.
 
 Have a nice evening!
 
 Smiles,
 
 Cara :)
 On Sep 25, 2013, at 12:15 PM, Jack Conti jackco...@cox.net wrote:
 
 Scott i don't believe the  os gets backed up.  at least thats what i
 read.
 At 09:44 AM 9/25/2013, you wrote:
 Hi,
 I think that I would like to downgrade back to IOS6.  I always do IOS
 upgrades through iTunes so that I have a backup on my computer.  If I
 restore my backup from just before the upgrade, will it restore the
 operating system back to IOS6?
 Thanks,
 Scott Duck
 
 
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Cards app is gone

2013-09-27 Thread Paulette Vickery
Hi all,

 

In one of the books from National Braille press, listing useful apps for the
blind, an app called, Cards, published by Apple, was listed. It sounded like
a great app for sending holiday, birthday and other special occasion e_cards
to family and friends. When I attempted to get it from the app store I
learned that it is no longer available. Does anyone have any suggestions for
a good app for sending eCards that is voice over compatible?

 

Paulette

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SiriusXM App iOS

2013-09-27 Thread Robin
Is it possible for totally blind users of the iPhone to navigate the 
iOS app using VoiceOver? If so, how?


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RE: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-27 Thread James Homuth
I can see why Apple just downloading the update to your phone could pose a
problem if your phone already has a tiny fraction of the space it came with
left. That's valid, if avoidable by the user--just don't store your entire
life on your phone. It would be useful if Apple gave you the option of
turning even that much off. I mean heck, even Windows gives you that option.
But since that's more than likely not about to happen on account of Apple's
we know best mentality, see above.

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Wil James
Sent: September 26, 2013 12:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.


As far as I can remember, Apple has always downloaded the update and left
the option of installing to the user.  Personally, I see nothing wrong with
this approach.



Sent from my iPad Mini

On Sep 26, 2013, at 12:08 PM, tcors...@cfl.rr.com wrote:



Well, without my permission apple has downloaded the upgraded software
apparently, but when I went into settings and saw only install, I close
settings without installing.  So, apparently it is there on my phone and
waiting to be installed.  I wish to hold out for a while so will see what
happens.
 
 
Donna
tcors...@cfl.rr.com
 
From: Crystal French mailto:rainc...@clearwire.net  
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
 
Well, I am still using IO's 6 on my iPhone 4.
 
I am going to be getting the 5s, but hesitate to update to IO s 7 because I
would be in trouble if something went drastically wrong with my 4.
 
Frankly, I can't imagine that Appple really cares what I do or don't have on
my iPhone 4.
 
Crystal 
 
From: Regina Alvarado mailto:reggie.alvar...@gmail.com  
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 10:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
 
If this is true, there are going to be some court challenges I bet. This is
not right in my opinion. 


reggie and Allegra

On Sep 26, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello,

For those of you who want/need to stay on iOS 6 for whatever reason, I come
with some bad news.
According to an article I'll link to below, Apple is pushing the OTA update
to 7 automatically to devices that don't have 7 installed yet, with no user
consent, and no way to reclaim the lost storage space the update uses when
downloaded.
http://appadvice.com/appnn/2013/09/apple-is-automatically-pushing-out-ios-7-
to-holdout-devices

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RE: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-27 Thread James Homuth
Once again. The update won't install itself without you knowing about it and
telling it to. Worst it would do is just sit there looking at you. So you
could have gone on just fine with not actually installing it. Which, rather,
is exactly what I'm about to do until a proper bug fix release hits the
download servers.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Dan Murphy
Sent: September 26, 2013 5:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

Well my GF didn't even actively download the update. It just said settings,
1 item. When we looked, we discovered that it had been downloaded at some
point, perhaps when her phone was idle. I wonder how much longer it would
have just sat there before it went ahead and installed itself. Apple should
be a bit more careful doing stuff like that to people.

SENT FROM MY IPHONE


 On Sep 26, 2013, at 4:15 PM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com
wrote:
 
 I have no problem with legacy software not being supported after a time.
It's the extra space that automatically-downloaded stuff takes up on the
device that makes me a bit uncomfortable. As i pointed out somewhere else, I
first had to download IoS7 and then install it. There was no automatic
factor in my experience. however, if folks are getting automatic 3-gig
downloads without asking for them, then it leads me to wonder if there's a
setting that one could disable for doing this.
 
 Teresa
 On Sep 26, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com
wrote:
 
 except you're not actually being forced to update Windows XP. You can run
it forever, you just won't get support from Microsoft for it. I don't think
that's unreasonable since XP is so old and MS has released three major
operating system versions since XP. Also, you were still getting support and
updates for XP after Vista was released, after Windows 7 was released and
even after Windows 8 was released. I still think it's a bad comparison, but
that's just my opinion, and I don't expect to change anyone's mind, so I'll
shut up about it.
 
 On 09/26/2013 02:52 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I think its a decent comparison since desktop OS's don't update nearly
the speed of a Mobile OS.  And either way, the feeling is the same.  That's
what the issue really is here.  Your hand being forced to adopt a technology
you might not really want.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Sep 26, 2013, at 3:26 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com
wrote:
 
 Quite a few people are upset with Microsoft for dropping support of
windows XP. Also, Microsoft dropping support for an operating system over a
decade old is not the same issue as Apple pushing out an OS that's only a
few days old to everyone's iPhone. Note that I don't have a problem with
Apple; I'm just pointing out that this is not a good comparison.
 
 On 09/26/2013 02:19 PM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:
 I agree with Ricardo. I don't hear people bashing Microsoft for 
 not supporting Windows XP in the next few months or other old
software.
 Also most apps have been updated to work with IOS 7. Finally if 
 you consider the traffic regarding bugs and questions a large part 
 exists because people don't read others email which has already 
 answered their question. I'm not sure why anyone wouldn't want to 
 update since overall IOS 7 is better but that's a matter of choice.
 
 On 9/26/13, Sean Paul newsandtraf...@aol.com wrote:
 Nicely done Mr. Walker... Couldn't have said it better myself. 
 Life is life
 
  we've gotta live it. We'll be forced to do things we don't want 
 to do by Apple, the Government, Microsoft, our neighborhoods, etc.
 - Original Message -
 From: Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com
 To: viphone viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 15:10
 Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
 
 
 Hi,
 
 Not trying to be confrontational but, people force you to do 
 stuff like this
 
 all the time.  For example, if you want IOS 7 but have an iPhone 
 3GS?  You have to at least get your hands on an iPhone 4.  You 
 might love your phone but, you want that new update so you get a new
phone.
 
 Or how about internet explorer 10.  You want to have access to 
 certain web sites, your still using Windows XP?  You either 
 update tow windows 7 or 8, or try to use another web browser.
 
 This is really nothing new.  The more people that are running the 
 same OS or, using the same hardware, makes it easier for 
 developers to push out updates and new content.
 
 Sure, in some cases its a straight money grab.  Other times, 
 companies force
 
 the issue because they don't want to support old hardware/software
anymore.
 
 Or, they're trying to create a more unified experience among their
users.
 
 JMO.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 

Re: east way to put music on to the phone

2013-09-27 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
I personally don't like using the automatically add to ITunes method
because it puts the music into folders and cuts off a lot of titles.
ITunes actually doesn't care what folder they are in. However for the
sake of organization I use ITunes Media, Music. I place all my music
there. Then from ITunes choose file, add folder and browse to the
folder where your music is. ITunes will then add it for you.

On 9/27/13, Russ Kiehne russ94...@gmail.com wrote:
 That's what I did when I first got my ipod touch.  Over a period of time I
 put in the missing mp3 tag info.  A lot of music was restored from lp's.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jed Barton
 Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 10:02 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: east way to put music on to the phone

 I have a bunch of stuff that has tags, and some doesn't.
 Would you suggest just making playlists?
 Would that be the easiest thing?

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Russ Kiehne
 Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:07 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: east way to put music on to the phone

 It's true that itunes is accessible.  The biggest problem is, if your mp3's
 have no tag info, it creates a big problem on how your music is organized.
 It took me a while to have to fix these mp3's.  To get around this problem
 when I started using my ipod, I created m3u playlists outside of itunes.
 Then I imported them into itunes and the music played in the order I wanted
 it to on my ipod.

 -Original Message-
 From: Sieghard Weitzel
 Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 8:52 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: east way to put music on to the phone

 Hi Jen,

 Your best option and the one wit the most support and integration is to
 sync
 your music to your iDevice using iTunes. I really don't understand why some
 people on the list keep saying iTunes is not accessible and how they just
 can't use it. I have had my first iDevice back in 2009 when I bought an
 iPod
 Touch Third Gen and I have been using iTunes with Jaws ever since. It has
 gotten progressively better and especially iTunes 10 with Jaws 12 and
 iTunes
 11 with Jaws 13, 14 and now the Jaws 15 Beta work very well and everything
 I
 can think of and have done is fully accessible out of the box. I can't
 speak
 for other screenreaders, but from what I heard Window Eyes has equally good
 iTunes support. Jonathan Mosen has a very good 2-part Podcast on using
 iTunes 11 with Jaws 14 and you can find it by looking through the FS Cast
 episodes at www.FreedomScientific.com/FSCast.

 I should say that if you have a music library which is completely lacking
 ID3 tags then you just have a bit of work ahead using any number of free
 programs to tag your music. Alternatively, if you have a bunch of CD's,
 just
 spend the extra time and rip them straight with iTunes and iTunes will tag
 them properly. It's one of these things which you do once, but going
 forward
 it is worthwhile.


 Regards,
 Sieghard


 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Jed Barton
 Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 8:39 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: east way to put music on to the phone

 Hi there, so how do I get the music on to the phone?
 What's the best way to do it

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Kliphton
 Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:20 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: east way to put music on to the phone

 Use VLC for iPhone.  If you do it this way, VLC will keep your music the
 way
 you already have it.  If you use iTunes, it's probably not going to stay
 the
 same.

 Kliphton Senior
 (iMessage) kliph...@icloud.com - Email kliph...@gmail.com
 (Twitter,Instagram,FourSquareSkype) kliphton72 [Text only] 914-820-2298
 (Personal blog-read at your own risk!) http://kliphskorner.wordpress.com



 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Jed Barton
 Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 9:53 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: east way to put music on to the phone

 Hey guys,

 OK, I have itunes installed on the pc.  I have my music already organized.
 I am not looking to have itunes re-organize it.  What would be the best way
 to bring some folders on to the iphone.

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Re: east way to put music on to the phone

2013-09-27 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
Vlc is a company which makes several music and video products that
some people like.

On 9/27/13, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote:
 I personally don't like using the automatically add to ITunes method
 because it puts the music into folders and cuts off a lot of titles.
 ITunes actually doesn't care what folder they are in. However for the
 sake of organization I use ITunes Media, Music. I place all my music
 there. Then from ITunes choose file, add folder and browse to the
 folder where your music is. ITunes will then add it for you.

 On 9/27/13, Russ Kiehne russ94...@gmail.com wrote:
 That's what I did when I first got my ipod touch.  Over a period of time
 I
 put in the missing mp3 tag info.  A lot of music was restored from lp's.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jed Barton
 Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 10:02 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: east way to put music on to the phone

 I have a bunch of stuff that has tags, and some doesn't.
 Would you suggest just making playlists?
 Would that be the easiest thing?

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Russ Kiehne
 Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:07 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: east way to put music on to the phone

 It's true that itunes is accessible.  The biggest problem is, if your
 mp3's
 have no tag info, it creates a big problem on how your music is
 organized.
 It took me a while to have to fix these mp3's.  To get around this
 problem
 when I started using my ipod, I created m3u playlists outside of itunes.
 Then I imported them into itunes and the music played in the order I
 wanted
 it to on my ipod.

 -Original Message-
 From: Sieghard Weitzel
 Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 8:52 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: east way to put music on to the phone

 Hi Jen,

 Your best option and the one wit the most support and integration is to
 sync
 your music to your iDevice using iTunes. I really don't understand why
 some
 people on the list keep saying iTunes is not accessible and how they just
 can't use it. I have had my first iDevice back in 2009 when I bought an
 iPod
 Touch Third Gen and I have been using iTunes with Jaws ever since. It has
 gotten progressively better and especially iTunes 10 with Jaws 12 and
 iTunes
 11 with Jaws 13, 14 and now the Jaws 15 Beta work very well and
 everything
 I
 can think of and have done is fully accessible out of the box. I can't
 speak
 for other screenreaders, but from what I heard Window Eyes has equally
 good
 iTunes support. Jonathan Mosen has a very good 2-part Podcast on using
 iTunes 11 with Jaws 14 and you can find it by looking through the FS Cast
 episodes at www.FreedomScientific.com/FSCast.

 I should say that if you have a music library which is completely lacking
 ID3 tags then you just have a bit of work ahead using any number of free
 programs to tag your music. Alternatively, if you have a bunch of CD's,
 just
 spend the extra time and rip them straight with iTunes and iTunes will
 tag
 them properly. It's one of these things which you do once, but going
 forward
 it is worthwhile.


 Regards,
 Sieghard


 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Jed Barton
 Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 8:39 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: east way to put music on to the phone

 Hi there, so how do I get the music on to the phone?
 What's the best way to do it

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Kliphton
 Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:20 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: east way to put music on to the phone

 Use VLC for iPhone.  If you do it this way, VLC will keep your music the
 way
 you already have it.  If you use iTunes, it's probably not going to stay
 the
 same.

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 Of Jed Barton
 Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 9:53 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: east way to put music on to the phone

 Hey guys,

 OK, I have itunes installed on the pc.  I have my music already
 organized.
 I am not looking to have itunes re-organize it.  What would be the best
 way
 to bring some folders on to the iphone.

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Re: facetime audio and voiceover not speaking

2013-09-27 Thread Tom rash

How do you activate face time audio?
- Original Message - 
From: Chris H christopher...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: facetime audio and voiceover not speaking


Hello all just tried FaceTime Audio myself and VoiceOver worked just fine 
or be it distorted since it was routed to the earpiece not the speaker. 
Now I know how to do this I should grow into this very cool way of making 
free, unlimited international calls over the internet.


On 26/09/2013 16:45, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Paul and Sean,

I used Facetime Audio a few times on my 4S and even in the Beta (a friend 
of

mine also installed it back in August) this didn't seem to be an issue. I
just now tried it and did 2 Facetime Audio calls with 2 different people 
and

Voiceover worked fine for me, I was able to swipe around the screen, hear
all the buttons, double tap the Speakerphone button etc. I have no idea 
why

you would experience this, maybe just try to reboot your phone and see if
that helps.


Regards,
Sieghard


Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Sean Paul
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 3:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: facetime audio and voiceover not speaking

I've had much the same type issue in a facetime video call as well on 
iPad

mini.
- Original Message -
From: Paul Erkens paul.erk...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 06:02
Subject: facetime audio and voiceover not speaking


Hi all,

Has any one run into the following: once an audio facetime call has been
established, VoiceOver goes silent. I can flick and explore what I want, 
but


I hear no VO sounds, and VO does not speak as long as the audio facetime
call is still going on. Does any of you know what is happening, and is it
possible to have VO speak normally, as it does in a facetime video call?

Kind regards,
Paul.



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Re: east way to put music on to the phone

2013-09-27 Thread Russ Kiehne
IN my case, I used mp3tag to create m3u playlists and imported them into 
itunes.


-Original Message- 
From: Ricardo Walker

Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 10:56 AM
To: viphone
Subject: Re: east way to put music on to the phone

Hi,

the best way to go about this is to create playlists in iTunes, and then 
import those playlists onto your phone.


Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Sep 26, 2013, at 10:52 AM, Jed Barton j...@jedbarton.com wrote:


Hey guys,

OK, I have itunes installed on the pc.  I have my music already organized.
I am not looking to have itunes re-organize it.  What would be the best 
way

to bring some folders on to the iphone.

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Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-27 Thread MamaPeach
Um, it takes away from available space on the device? Which can pose a problem 
if you are limited on space anway.

From: Wil James 
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

As far as I can remember, Apple has always downloaded the update and left the 
option of installing to the user.  Personally, I see nothing wrong with this 
approach.



Sent from my iPad Mini

On Sep 26, 2013, at 12:08 PM, tcors...@cfl.rr.com wrote:


  Well, without my permission apple has downloaded the upgraded software 
apparently, but when I went into settings and saw only install, I close 
settings without installing.  So, apparently it is there on my phone and 
waiting to be installed.  I wish to hold out for a while so will see what 
happens.


  Donna
  tcors...@cfl.rr.com

  From: Crystal French 
  Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:01 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

  Well, I am still using IO’s 6 on my iPhone 4.

  I am going to be getting the 5s, but hesitate to update to IO s 7 because I 
would be in trouble if something went drastically wrong with my 4.

  Frankly, I can’t imagine that Appple really cares what I do or don’t have on 
my iPhone 4.

  Crystal 

  From: Regina Alvarado 
  Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 10:45 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

  If this is true, there are going to be some court challenges I bet. This is 
not right in my opinion. 


  reggie and Allegra

  On Sep 26, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hello,

  For those of you who want/need to stay on iOS 6 for whatever reason, I come 
with some bad news.
  According to an article I’ll link to below, Apple is pushing the OTA update 
to 7 automatically to devices that don’t have 7 installed yet, with no user 
consent, and no way to reclaim the lost storage space the update uses when 
downloaded.
  
http://appadvice.com/appnn/2013/09/apple-is-automatically-pushing-out-ios-7-to-holdout-devices

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Re: new update 7.02 RE: Possible Fix for iOS 7 was: Re: Want to Downgrade to IOS6

2013-09-27 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
Hi Mary:
Their was an explanation for the update on the software update screen.
Their was also a link to the web page which gave more information. The
fixes were related to security and being able to bypass the passcode
screen.

On 9/26/13, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 I don't suppose they gave a list of changes or bug fixes for the iOS 7.02,
 did they I don't understand why when updates are released you don't get a
 comprehensive list of the fixes and changes. Makes no sense at all. And it
 isn't just Apple.
 Mary


 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 26, 2013, at 11:44 AM, Wayne gmail  ewaynebrum...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 And the good news is that Apple has just released ios7.02smile.

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Alan Paganelli
 Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 1:40 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Possible Fix for ios 7 was: Re: Want to Downgrade to IOS6

 I have actually done this with  iPhone 4.  Some how, some way I got a
 glitch
 in the system where I couldn't performed a sync job between my computer
 and
 my phone.  The only way to fix the problem was to perform a restore from
 backup.  To put it in context, I was about as nervous as a bride groom in
 church five minutes before the ceremony.  After the Dior warnings which
 didn't help my 0peace of mind, I hit the enter key and thought may God
 favor
 the foolish!

 Friends, this is not something you want to do when your short of time.  I
 don't remember how long mine took but I seem to recall something
 approaching
 a week but then again that may have been due to my fear.  When the dust
 and
 the smoke settled and a couple of stiff drinks, my iPhone had been
 restored
 to the way it was that date the backup was made.  I lost one or two apps
 that I had installed sense that backup but none of my 17 GB worth of
 music.
 The apps were easily restored and I am here to tell you the story.

 Now here is something else too.  Before installing ios 7 on my iPhone 4,
 I
 decided I would  iClean which has already been discussed on this list and
 I
 highly recommend.  I had freed up 997 MB just under a gig.  Last night I
 was
 thinking I wonder how many temp files and such get left behind when you
 lay
 one system over the other and could iClean fix any problems in ios 7?  To
 my
 amazement, it removed 198 MB worth of temp files.  Ok so I've got another
 2
 hundred megs free.  I don't quite understand what happened here and maybe
 smarter folks then I can explained it but my iPhone 4 and ios 7 now run
 with
 out that strange slow down thing.  Sometimes I'd try to flick up to get
 to
 the next page of apps and find myself 2 pages away or be reading
 something
 in an app and get kicked out of the app for no apparent reason.  I've
 haven't tried everything because I just started playing with this but at
 first glance, things seem to be greatly improved.
 ---

 Regards,

 Alan

 Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

 Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
 Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

 Please click on:
 http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
 There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played
 on
 the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on
 my
 website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

 - Original Message -
 From: Cara Quinn modelc...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 4:22 PM
 Subject: Re: Want to Downgrade to IOS6


 If you update your phone through iTunes, there is a copy of your OS on
 your computer but locating it is not always a small feat.

 -And, at this point, this is moot anyway.

 However, for future reference, whether or not you back up your phone, as

 long as you update your phone's software using iTunes, you'll have a copy

 of your OS on your system, so you can restore to it, should you need.

 If you would like more detail on this feel free to ask. Otherwise, Google

 is your friend.

 Have a nice evening!

 Smiles,

 Cara :)
 On Sep 25, 2013, at 12:15 PM, Jack Conti jackco...@cox.net wrote:

 Scott i don't believe the  os gets backed up.  at least thats what i
 read.
 At 09:44 AM 9/25/2013, you wrote:
 Hi,
 I think that I would like to downgrade back to IOS6.  I always do IOS
 upgrades through iTunes so that I have a backup on my computer.  If I
 restore my backup from just before the upgrade, will it restore the
 operating system back to IOS6?
 Thanks,
 Scott Duck


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Re: some questions with the bard app

2013-09-27 Thread Alan Paganelli
You can add your books to the wish list let's say from using your computer. 
They will stay in the wish list folder until your ready to download then to 
the bard app.  This helps save disk space on your iPhone.  If you've got a 
64 GB hard drive it probably isn't much of a concern.  However, if you've 
only got an 8 gig phone, it may be a very useful feature.  Note: the bard 
app will not do simultaneous downloads.  The app will cue your downloads and 
then download them one at a time.  All that having been said, it's my 
favorite app on my iPhone.  On trips I can leave my Victor reader Stream at 
home.  It's the Stream 1.  My bard app lets me look for books and download 
them regardless of where I am.  I thought when bard went online that it was 
like having the keys to the library because I could find something to read 
any time day or night.  Now with the bard app for iPhone, I can look for a 
book any time of day or night and anywhere I can get a connection to the 
internet.  It doesn't get any easier then that.

---

Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.


Please click on:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!


- Original Message - 
From: alia robinson ali...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: some questions with the bard app


this isn't true, at least in the recent books/magazines list. If you tap on 
a magazine in this you go directly to download. If you search you have to 
add them to the wish list.  I wonder why you can simply download when in 
recently added, and not in any other part of the site.


Alia
On Sep 24, 2013, at 8:56 AM, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com 
wrote:



Hi,
You have to add books to your wish list before you can download them.


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Re: Tap Tap See photos

2013-09-27 Thread Tom rash
I don't see them in my photos folder.  Is it storing them somewhere else?
  - Original Message - 
  From: David Chittenden 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 3:13 PM
  Subject: Re: Tap Tap See photos


  I believe it keeps five. As you take more, the earlier ones are deleted.

  David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
  Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
  Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
  Sent from my iPhone

  On 27 Sep 2013, at 10:05, Tom Rash dadinthed...@verizon.net wrote:


Does Tap tap see keep your photos that are taken with that app, or just the 
last one for review?

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Re: Bard Mobile is out

2013-09-27 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
Just in case you need to be in the U.S. or a U.S. citizen to use the app.

On 9/26/13, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Lori,
 I don't think you can create an account from the Bard app. You have to have
 an account. Then you can login. Do you have an account with Bard or are you
 registered with your regional library?
 Mary


 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 26, 2013, at 8:37 PM, Lori Dent loriand...@ohiohills.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 I have Bar Mobile installed on my I phone 5. I have beentrying to find
 create an account on my app. Where is create an account at? Thanks Lori
 and the Gipper


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Re: Favorites in Contacts - Very Annoying

2013-09-27 Thread Steve Vandecar
7.02 seems to fix this problem

Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 27, 2013, at 2:54 AM, Robert Doc Wright yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 A temporary fix might be to add an h or m after the name to designate the 
 type of number.
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 - Original Message -
 From: Sieghard Weitzel
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 9:24 AM
 Subject: RE: Favorites in Contacts - Very Annoying
 
 Hi Tom,
  
 No, nothing you can do about this at this point except write to 
 accessibil...@apple.com and report it and ask them to please fix it in the 
 next update (in a nice way of course). I was running iOS 7 Beta and noticed 
 that in the first 10 minutes because I do the same as you and sometimes add 
 somebody’s home and cell number. However, as long as you know which one comes 
 first it’s still useable, e.g. I usually put somebody’s home number first, 
 then their cell number so when I touch the Favorites list I know that if I 
 tap on the top entry for a person it willcall their home and the one below 
 will call their cell. I have, however, written to Apple Accessibility as well 
 alreay and hope you do the same, only takes a few minutes and I am convinced 
 that the more emails they get about a particular issue the faster it will be 
 fixed.
  
  
 Regards,
 Sieghard
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Tom Lange
 Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 5:31 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Favorites in Contacts - Very Annoying
  
 Hi folks,
 Since upgrading to IOS 7, I've noticed some strange behavior in Contacts 
 that's really annoying.  In the Favorites list I have my girlfriend and some 
 other friends and family members, and there are entries for their mobile 
 phones as well as their land lines.  VoiceOver no longer identifies whether 
 an entry is for a mobile phone or a land line; all it says is call.  That's 
 not exactly helpful. So I have two questions:
 1.  Is there some sort of visual indicator that tells you whether the 
 favorite is a mobile phone or a land line, and is VoiceOver unable to 
 identify it properly?
 2.  Is there a setting that I can change to restore the original behavior?
  
  
  
Thanks in advance.
  
 Tom
  
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Re: Help needed to make ibook read continuously with voice over in iOS 6 and in iOS 7

2013-09-27 Thread Alan Paganelli
I love that pause feature when I'm reading.  Usually the house phone rings 
and I just do a 2 finger single tap and answer the phone.

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- Original Message - 
From: Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: Help needed to make ibook read continuously with voice over in 
iOS 6 and in iOS 7



And to stop and resume where you left off, tap once with two fingers.

hth,
Teresa
On Sep 26, 2013, at 6:19 PM, Pete Nalda lpna...@gmail.com wrote:

Once you've gotten VoiceOver to the text in a page, swipe down with 2 
fingers, and it'll read continuously, even turning pages for you 
automatically.  I hope this helps and is a good explanation.


On Sep 26, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Sharon Ballantyne sbal...@nexicom.net 
wrote:



Hi all,

I have never used ibooks before. My phone is a 4 still on IOS 6. I 
ordered the IOS without the i and it has opened up in the ibook app. I 
have seen a page picker but sliding even in small in cements will skip 
several pages. How do I make voice over read the book without having to 
find the picker each time and try to change the page?


Will it be different in IOS 7 once I have that upgrade.

Thank-you for your help.

Peace and Positivity

Sharon

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Re: Facebook app update

2013-09-27 Thread Sharonda Greenlaw
I am able to see and read my Notifications. I could not do this before.  

Sent from my iPhone; please excuse all mistakes 

 On Sep 26, 2013, at 5:06 AM, janet wright jan...@wrighthere.net wrote:
 
 wow I still can't see my notifications on the face book ap
 
 
 
 *** God has a plan for me. I may not see it right away but I'm willing to 
 wait on the blessing he has in store for me!
 -Original Message- From: Krister Ekstrom
 Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 5:59 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Facebook app update
 
 Hi,
 I on the other hand have noticed that after the update, i can now see 
 notifications which i couldn't before yesterday. I don't remember what else 
 to look out for so can't either say yes or no to if the bug exists.
 /Krister
 
 26 sep 2013 kl. 13:18 skrev Alex Stone alexstone...@btinternet.com:
 
 I notice that there was an update to the Facebook update yesterday, which as
 far as I can tell completely fails to fix any of the accessibility problems
 we've been complaining about.
 
 Cheers
 
 Alex
 
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Re: Indaisy problem in iOs 7 and question about best bookshare reader

2013-09-27 Thread David Petrilli


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 27, 2013, at 8:58 AM, Russ Kiehne russ94...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would highly recommend voice dream reader for reading books from bookshare.
 
 -Original Message- From: Ioana Gandrabur
 Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:21 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Indaisy problem in iOs 7 and question about best bookshare reader
 
 
 Hi all,
 
 
 I just became member of bookshare.
 Now I am looking for the best options to read books on the iPhone.
 Has anyone tried more of them?
 On a different note but yet related I am having trouble with indaisy since 
 iOS 7. I cannot get out of a book to the book shelf. Anyone has any ideas?
 
 Thanks for your suggestions.
 
 Ioana
 
 
 
 
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Re: help with Speed Up Player pro, please

2013-09-27 Thread Isaac Hebert
What problems are you having with this app?

On 9/26/13, Joanie joaniema...@earthlink.net wrote:
 Is anyone on this list using this app? If so, please help. I can't get it
 to
 work. I don't want to call Apple and get a refund if I can use the app.
 Thanks!

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Eileen Misrahi
 Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 1:55 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Accessibility Response to iOS7 Push to Devices

 Hello List,

 A little while ago, I contacted accessibility to discuss the situation of
 the automatic push of iOS7 to all devices that are still running iOS6. This
 is a summary of what I was told.

 1. There is no way to remove it from the phone.
 2. One will receive an alert either from iTunes or on the phone if you want
 to install iOS7 on the phone. However, the annoying iTunes alert to
 download
 and install we probably will have to live with.
 3. They stated that the size of ioOS7 is between 2-3 GB. Hence, I am not a
 happy camper that I have lost that much data storage.

 Now, if this is all true, then we are not being forced to install the
 upgrade without our consent. Just be sure that you don't get finger happy
 if
 you see an alert pop up when connected to iTunes or wirelessly on the phone
 itself. I hope this has calm some of our nerves, but I will believe it when
 I connect the phone and not have it update automatically.

 Eileen

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RE: Want to Downgrade to IOS6

2013-09-27 Thread Ron Pelletier
Simon,

If you don't install the 7, you can use the 6 for as long as you want.
Having said that, you should consider installing 7 after the dust settles in
a few weeks after a lot of little or not so little bugs have been taken care
of. It is to your advantage to stay with the technology.

Ron  Danvers


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Getting back up is LIVING...

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of simon wong
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 7:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Want to Downgrade to IOS6

But for those that have not updated their phone to the seven how long can we
continue to use the six

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-09-26, at 7:05 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose b...@benmr.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Unfortunately, as Cara said in her message, even though there may be a 
 copy of the os on your computer, the point is moot as you won't be 
 able to restore to it anyway.
 
 An extremely simplified version of the restore process is:
 
 1: The process is invoked using iTunes.
 2: The os is in part transferred to the phone.
 3: iTunes checks with Apple to see if you are allowed to install the 
 os you want on a device that you own.
 4: In this situation, Apple returns that the restore can't continue so 
 an error is printed.
 5: The phone becomes unusable until you reinstall iOS7.
 
 Unfortunately this is one of the trade-offs of using Apple products.
 There are some valid reasons why Apple doesn't want you to downgrade, 
 but I do agree that it's silly that you're unable to downgrade a 
 device that you've purchased and in some instances you will be stuck 
 with a device that you can't use - E.G. iOS5 and some braille 
 displays. I've resisted updating to iOS7 due to the issues that people 
 have reported on this list; I like other people here use my phone for 
 much more than making calls and the idea that my 4S may lag extremely 
 badly once the os is installed, at least to me is unacceptable, so 
 I've chosen to stick with 6.
 
 Unfortunately there isn't really anything we can do to change the 
 situation. However, if these practices annoy you, you can take comfort 
 in the fact that ultimately they're shooting themselves in the foot by 
 partaking in them as I know lots of people who will jump ship for 
 precisely this reason once something viable is available.
 
 Cheers,
 Ben.
 
 On 9/26/13, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote:
 but if a got a copy of the IOs 6  stored in my computer, how can I 
 tell iTunes that I need to use it, instead the IOs 7?
 - Original Message -
 From: Scott Duck l...@csdconsulting.biz
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 6:08 AM
 Subject: RE: Want to Downgrade to IOS6
 
 
 Cara,
 I did update through iTunes.  I like doing it that way better, 
 mostly because I have more than 5 gigs of data and don't want to pay 
 for extra iCloud storage for the backup.  Anyway, how do I locate 
 and restore the backup of IOS6?  It seems that it would be as simple 
 as just restoring from the previous backup but, from the comments of 
 others on the list, I guess not.  I would appreciate any info that 
 you can provide.
 Thanks,
 Scott Duck
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Cara Quinn
 Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 6:23 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Want to Downgrade to IOS6
 
 If you update your phone through iTunes, there is a copy of your OS 
 on your computer but locating it is not always a small feat.
 
 -And, at this point, this is moot anyway.
 
 However, for future reference, whether or not you back up your 
 phone, as long as you update your phone's software using iTunes, 
 you'll have a copy
 
 of
 your OS on your system, so you can restore to it, should you need.
 
 If you would like more detail on this feel free to ask. Otherwise, 
 Google
 
 is
 your friend.
 
 Have a nice evening!
 
 Smiles,
 
 Cara :)
 On Sep 25, 2013, at 12:15 PM, Jack Conti jackco...@cox.net wrote:
 
 Scott i don't believe the  os gets backed up.  at least thats what i 
 read.
 At 09:44 AM 9/25/2013, you wrote:
 Hi,
 I think that I would like to downgrade back to IOS6.  I always do 
 IOS
 upgrades through iTunes so that I have a backup on my computer.  If 
 I restore my backup from just before the upgrade, will it restore 
 the operating system back to IOS6?
 Thanks,
 Scott Duck
 
 
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Re: facetime audio and voiceover not speaking

2013-09-27 Thread Chris H
Go to the phone or FaceTime app double tap on the contact and then 
double tap on the FaceTime Audio call button.



christopher...@gmail.com

On 27/09/2013 13:51, Tom rash wrote:

How do you activate face time audio?
- Original Message - From: Chris H christopher...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: facetime audio and voiceover not speaking



Hello all just tried FaceTime Audio myself and VoiceOver worked just
fine or be it distorted since it was routed to the earpiece not the
speaker. Now I know how to do this I should grow into this very cool
way of making free, unlimited international calls over the internet.

On 26/09/2013 16:45, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Paul and Sean,

I used Facetime Audio a few times on my 4S and even in the Beta (a
friend of
mine also installed it back in August) this didn't seem to be an
issue. I
just now tried it and did 2 Facetime Audio calls with 2 different
people and
Voiceover worked fine for me, I was able to swipe around the screen,
hear
all the buttons, double tap the Speakerphone button etc. I have no
idea why
you would experience this, maybe just try to reboot your phone and
see if
that helps.


Regards,
Sieghard


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Behalf
Of Sean Paul
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 3:15 AM
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Subject: Re: facetime audio and voiceover not speaking

I've had much the same type issue in a facetime video call as well on
iPad
mini.
- Original Message -
From: Paul Erkens paul.erk...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 06:02
Subject: facetime audio and voiceover not speaking


Hi all,

Has any one run into the following: once an audio facetime call has been
established, VoiceOver goes silent. I can flick and explore what I
want, but

I hear no VO sounds, and VO does not speak as long as the audio facetime
call is still going on. Does any of you know what is happening, and
is it
possible to have VO speak normally, as it does in a facetime video call?

Kind regards,
Paul.



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Automatic OTA Upgrade!

2013-09-27 Thread Avnish Chopra
Has any one experienced automatic OTA download of the IOS7 after you
have connected to wifi and started charging your iphone with an older
version operating system? Please beware as your phone will do an
automatic upgrade whether you want it or not!

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Re: TuneIn Radio Pro question

2013-09-27 Thread Patti Johnson
What is the tunin pro app, is there a free tune in app and a paid one?  
I was searching for something in Itunes and it kept kicking me back in 
to the ads for TuneIn which I understand you have to have IOS 7 to get.

But are there two apps for it then?
A little confused,
Patti
On 9/26/2013 8:15 PM, Carla Kay Etheredge wrote:
Sorry if this comes through the list a few times...apparently I may 
have written the contact info wrong previously in my address book...I 
still haven’t seen my messages come through...so hopefully they are 
coming through now.

And now for my question...
Hello group,
A strange thing keeps happening with my husbands TuneIn Radio Pro app, 
it keeps crashing.  On my phone, it works fine.  I do not have the pro 
version though.  I’m thinking the best way to fix his app is to 
uninstall it and re-install it.   My question is, this is the first 
paid app I’ve had to uninstall.  Will it make me purchase it again? I 
wouldn’t think so, but just checking with someone before I do 
uninstall and re-install...this way I don’t make a bigger hassle for 
myself? lol

We both are using the IPhone 5.
Thanks in advance.
Carla Kay Etheredge
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Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-27 Thread Mike Arrigo
I'm probably in the minority here, but, yes, I do have my macs set this 
way and when I had pcs, I did the same. I would prefer my computers not 
to download anything without me knowing about it. Of course, with power 
comes responsibility, if you set your computer this way, you must 
remember to check for updates.

Original message:

Folks folks, do you all who are upset about the iOS 7 being downloaded
also disable your Mac or Windows updates so they are not downloaded
without your permission? What about those who are more technically
challenged and would welcome this because it makes the process easier?



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Re: some questions with the bard app

2013-09-27 Thread Richard Turner
Apparently you can only add to the wish list from the browse bard area.
So, if you find a book in the recent books list, you have to then go and browse 
for it in order to add it to the wish list.
I think I will write bardmobilesupp...@nls.com and request they add a link to 
the wish list under recents.

Richard
(Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen)

 On Sep 26, 2013, at 8:18 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I thought I saw away when you're in the recent books and you want a book on 
 your wish list, but you could turn that download link into a wish list link. 
 But I can't find it now in the help documentation. Does anybody know if it is 
 possible when you're in the recent books section to add something to your 
 wish list?
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 26, 2013, at 5:46 PM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 this isn't true, at least in the recent books/magazines list. If you tap on 
 a magazine in this you go directly to download. If you search you have to 
 add them to the wish list.  I wonder why you can simply download when in 
 recently added, and not in any other part of the site. 
 
 Alia
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 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 You have to add books to your wish list before you can download them.
 
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Re: Facebook app update

2013-09-27 Thread Sandra Heaton



same here.
Sandra
Braille Greeting Cards
www.braille-greetings-cards.co.uk

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: Facebook app update



I am able to see and read my Notifications. I could not do this before.

Sent from my iPhone; please excuse all mistakes

On Sep 26, 2013, at 5:06 AM, janet wright jan...@wrighthere.net 
wrote:


wow I still can't see my notifications on the face book ap



*** God has a plan for me. I may not see it right away but I'm willing to 
wait on the blessing he has in store for me!

-Original Message- From: Krister Ekstrom
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 5:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Facebook app update

Hi,
I on the other hand have noticed that after the update, i can now see 
notifications which i couldn't before yesterday. I don't remember what 
else to look out for so can't either say yes or no to if the bug exists.

/Krister


26 sep 2013 kl. 13:18 skrev Alex Stone alexstone...@btinternet.com:

I notice that there was an update to the Facebook update yesterday, 
which as
far as I can tell completely fails to fix any of the accessibility 
problems

we've been complaining about.

Cheers

Alex

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RE: Automatic OTA Upgrade!

2013-09-27 Thread Larry Lumpkin
My understanding is that the install will happen but it will not upgrade
without your permission.


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Subject: Automatic OTA Upgrade!

Has any one experienced automatic OTA download of the IOS7 after you have
connected to wifi and started charging your iphone with an older version
operating system? Please beware as your phone will do an automatic upgrade
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how do you activate a link in the native twitter app?

2013-09-27 Thread Andrew Head
Hi all, 
I have a link in a direct message that I want to activate How does one do this 
using the native twitter app? I tried using the rota, but didn't see a links 
section. 
any help is greatly appreciated. 
God bless, 
Andrew.

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Re: Automatic OTA Upgrade!

2013-09-27 Thread Christopher Chaltain
It'll be automatically downloaded but not installed, which I'm pretty 
sure is not a new behavior.


On 09/27/2013 09:41 AM, Larry Lumpkin wrote:

My understanding is that the install will happen but it will not upgrade
without your permission.


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Subject: Automatic OTA Upgrade!

Has any one experienced automatic OTA download of the IOS7 after you have
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operating system? Please beware as your phone will do an automatic upgrade
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Re: some questions with the bard app

2013-09-27 Thread Christopher Chaltain
Note that you can add books to your wish list when viewing the recent 
books list from a browser. You just need to click on the books name and 
then the add to wish list button.


Also, you don't need a wifi connection to download books. You can do it 
over a cellular connection if you want. Just turn the mobile option to 
on in the settings tab.


On 09/27/2013 07:57 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote:

You can add your books to the wish list let's say from using your
computer. They will stay in the wish list folder until your ready to
download then to the bard app.  This helps save disk space on your
iPhone.  If you've got a 64 GB hard drive it probably isn't much of a
concern.  However, if you've only got an 8 gig phone, it may be a very
useful feature.  Note: the bard app will not do simultaneous downloads.
The app will cue your downloads and then download them one at a time.
All that having been said, it's my favorite app on my iPhone.  On trips
I can leave my Victor reader Stream at home.  It's the Stream 1.  My
bard app lets me look for books and download them regardless of where I
am.  I thought when bard went online that it was like having the keys to
the library because I could find something to read any time day or
night.  Now with the bard app for iPhone, I can look for a book any time
of day or night and anywhere I can get a connection to the internet.  It
doesn't get any easier then that.
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Regards,

Alan

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Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

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There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
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my website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - From: alia robinson ali...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: some questions with the bard app


this isn't true, at least in the recent books/magazines list. If you tap
on a magazine in this you go directly to download. If you search you
have to add them to the wish list.  I wonder why you can simply download
when in recently added, and not in any other part of the site.

Alia
On Sep 24, 2013, at 8:56 AM, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com
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Hi,
You have to add books to your wish list before you can download them.




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Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-27 Thread Christopher Chaltain
One of the ways Apple ensures the best possible user experience is to 
push out the latest and greatest software, with all of the security 
fixes, and makes it as easy as possible for all users to install it. 
This is also how Apple reduces fragmentation. I think this is the exact 
opposite of how things are handled in the Android ecosystem.


On 09/26/2013 10:04 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

  Raul,
There is a huge difference when you're looking at a 32 or 16 GB I device versus 
a Windows or a Mac PC with many many megabytes gigabytes or even maybe 
terabytes of space. This is just wrong. I have 4 GB left on my iPhone. And when 
this unwanted download comes on, it's going to leave me with something around 1 
1/2 left. That is a problem.
One of the things that Apple used to pride itself on his it just works. Given what I've 
heard about iOS 7 and voiceover, I don't think they're living up to their reputation. We pay a lot 
more for this hardware and put up with the walled garden because it is supposed to 
offer a superior experience. This is not an example of a superior experience. Quite honestly, this 
is more like what I would expect from the wild West in Google land, where it's incredibly 
fragmented, and excess ability is catch as catch can, and it's a mess. I don't pay big bucks to 
expect this kind of treatment from the company.
Mary experience.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 26, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote:


Folks folks, do you all who are upset about the iOS 7 being downloaded also 
disable your Mac or Windows updates so they are not downloaded without your 
permission? What about those who are more technically challenged and would 
welcome this because it makes the process easier?

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Re: problem when answering calls

2013-09-27 Thread Christopher Chaltain

I'm running IOS 7 on a 4S, and I haven't noticed this issue.

On 09/26/2013 10:14 AM, CD wrote:

I have a horrible time answering calls with the speaker sensor since
upgrading.  So I believe it has somethig to do with the 4s having a slower
reaction.  I've seen the 5s and it is much more stable and I can't wait
until May when I can upgrade to the 5s.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 8:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: problem when answering calls

I don't think its an accessability  issue. I've never seen this problem on a
4, 5 or 5s.

On 9/26/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

I did have this happening a bit in iOS 6 with my 4S and it can be
hardware related since there is a proximity sensor in the phone.
However, it might be a bit worse in iOS 7 although there haven't been
many people reporting this from what I have seen. Anyhow, there is
nothing you can really do except that you can of course avoid it by
using a headset or I guess you could turn Voiceover off with a triple
click home before you pick up the call, but then of course using a
2-finger double tap wouldn't work to pick up the call and the triple
click home to turn off Voiceover doesn't work after you pick it up.
On my 4S I find that it often happens right at the beginning of the
call and after a few seconds it sort of settles down. I have a 5S on
the way and hopefully it won't be an issue with it.

I would report it to Apple Accessibility if you are sure this never
happened before you upgraded. In fact, if you agree with the way I
feel, I would probably suggest that they take this automatic switching
out of Voiceover completely. It's easy enough for example in apps like
Skype to switch to speakerphone by tapping on the Speakerphone button
and I don't see why we can't do this like anybody else with the
regular Phone app. I am sure Apple thought they want to make this easy
for a blind person so they don't have to find the Speakerphone button,
but if anything they could implement a Shake to Switch feature or
maybe a custom gesture would be possible, like drawing an S: during
a call would toggle speakerphone.
.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Martin Nelson
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 7:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: problem when answering calls

Hi, Everyone. I am using an iphone 4s. With the update to ios 7 I find
that when I answer a call the speaker activates even though I have the
phone to my ear. It takes a few seconds for the ear piece to kick in.
This appears to be a bug with io 7. Is there a way to fix this?
Thank you.
Regards,
Martin Nelson

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Re: Bard Mobile is out

2013-09-27 Thread Alan Paganelli
If you already receive Talking Books from NLS, and if you have an account at 
the Bard web site, then all you need to do in the bard mobile app is to 
login with your email address and password.  The app will remember that 
information so you don't have to do it again.


Once you've done that you can begin to look for talking books directly from 
your iPhone.

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Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.


Please click on:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!


- Original Message - 
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: Bard Mobile is out



Hi all,

I have Bar Mobile installed on my I phone 5. I have beentrying to find 
create an account on my app. Where is create an account at? Thanks Lori 
and the Gipper



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Re: east way to put music on to the phone

2013-09-27 Thread Robert Doc Wright
did you open iTunes?  Go to where you have the music you want on your 
iDevice.  Copy, now go back to itunes. now paste.
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Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 3:48 AM
Subject: RE: east way to put music on to the phone


I am scratching my head here I don't see such a window but then I probably 
don't know what I am
supposed to be looking for


Ray T. Mahorney
WA4WGA


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Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 09:44
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Subject: Re: east way to put music on to the phone

You can copy your music to the automatically add to iTunes  while ITunes 
is off.  Then when you
open ITunes it will place the files in the necessary buffer. Or you can copy 
and paste right into
the iTunes window.  When you speak of reorganizing  your music are you 
speaking within iTunes or on
your iDevice ?
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matters not for your job
is  Complete  and your rewards forthcoming.

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Subject: RE: east way to put music on to the phone


Hi there, so how do I get the music on to the phone?
What's the best way to do it

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Subject: RE: east way to put music on to the phone

Use VLC for iPhone.  If you do it this way, VLC will keep your music the way
you already have it.  If you use iTunes, it's probably not going to stay the
same.

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Subject: east way to put music on to the phone

Hey guys,

OK, I have itunes installed on the pc.  I have my music already organized.
I am not looking to have itunes re-organize it.  What would be the best way
to bring some folders on to the iphone.

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Two finger double tap now not controlling media playback since iOS7.02

2013-09-27 Thread Robin Christopherson
Guys

I’ve been expecting to see someone flag this since 7.02 came out but maybe it’s 
just me. Since updating to 7.02 my two finger double tap to start/stop playback 
from the home screen and in every app has gone. I can do it from the remote and 
also using the controls on-screen in the relevant app but no two finger double 
tap (sob). Anyone else experiencing this?

Thanks, Robin.

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Re: how do you activate a link in the native twitter app?

2013-09-27 Thread Isaac Hebert
Go in to settings accessibility  voiceover rotor and  turn on the
links then go back in to  twitter app and switch the rotor to links.

On 9/27/13, Andrew Head ath...@bigpond.net.au wrote:
 Hi all,
 I have a link in a direct message that I want to activate How does one do
 this using the native twitter app? I tried using the rota, but didn't see a
 links section.
 any help is greatly appreciated.
 God bless,
 Andrew.

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RE: Favorites in Contacts - Very Annoying

2013-09-27 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Steve,

 

On my 4S I still hear just Call after each entry for the same person in
the Favorites tab. I would have been surprised if Apple had fixed this so
soon, typically the update with the first round of more comprehensive fixes
doesn't come out until about 6 weeks or so after the release, mostly late
October or early November. These early updates usually address immediate
security issues which Apple needs to fix right away just as this one more or
less was strictly a fix to prevent bypassing the lock screen.

It sort of makes sense that fixes to some of these bugs take a few weeks. I
am sure Apple gets lots of good feedback from the official beta testers, but
the real trial comes after the iOS is publically released and the start
receiving feedback from the masses. They then have to make sure reported
issues are really bugs, prioritise them and fix them.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Vandecar
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 6:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Favorites in Contacts - Very Annoying

 

7.02 seems to fix this problem

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 27, 2013, at 2:54 AM, Robert Doc Wright yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com
wrote:

A temporary fix might be to add an h or m after the name to designate the
type of number.

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From: Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 9:24 AM

Subject: RE: Favorites in Contacts - Very Annoying

 

Hi Tom,

 

No, nothing you can do about this at this point except write to
accessibil...@apple.com and report it and ask them to please fix it in the
next update (in a nice way of course). I was running iOS 7 Beta and noticed
that in the first 10 minutes because I do the same as you and sometimes add
somebody's home and cell number. However, as long as you know which one
comes first it's still useable, e.g. I usually put somebody's home number
first, then their cell number so when I touch the Favorites list I know that
if I tap on the top entry for a person it willcall their home and the one
below will call their cell. I have, however, written to Apple Accessibility
as well alreay and hope you do the same, only takes a few minutes and I am
convinced that the more emails they get about a particular issue the faster
it will be fixed.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Tom Lange
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 5:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Favorites in Contacts - Very Annoying

 

Hi folks,

Since upgrading to IOS 7, I've noticed some strange behavior in Contacts
that's really annoying.  In the Favorites list I have my girlfriend and some
other friends and family members, and there are entries for their mobile
phones as well as their land lines.  VoiceOver no longer identifies whether
an entry is for a mobile phone or a land line; all it says is call.
That's not exactly helpful. So I have two questions:

1.  Is there some sort of visual indicator that tells you whether the
favorite is a mobile phone or a land line, and is VoiceOver unable to
identify it properly?

2.  Is there a setting that I can change to restore the original behavior?

 

 

 

   Thanks in advance.

 

Tom

 

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Re: Two finger double tap now not controlling media playback since iOS7.02

2013-09-27 Thread paras shah
This was an issue for me.
Try to restart the phone.
It will work


On 9/27/13, Robin Christopherson robin.christopher...@gmail.com wrote:
 Guys

 I’ve been expecting to see someone flag this since 7.02 came out but maybe
 it’s just me. Since updating to 7.02 my two finger double tap to start/stop
 playback from the home screen and in every app has gone. I can do it from
 the remote and also using the controls on-screen in the relevant app but no
 two finger double tap (sob). Anyone else experiencing this?

 Thanks, Robin.

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RE: Two finger double tap now not controlling media playback since iOS7.02

2013-09-27 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Robin,

 

Have you restarted your phone since the upgrade? The 2-finger double tap
works for me and I suspect that it will for you after you shut down your
phone, wait 30 seconds and start it back up. Oh, and I recommend you throw
all apps out of the app switcher before you reboot.

 

Remember that after you do a restart you first have to start playing music
in the Music app or play audio in another app like Audible or Downcast
before the 2-finger double tap will work. But do that after you restart your
phone, then exit the app to the home screen and try it. I actually lost the
2-finger double tap functionality once or twice even before the 7.02 update
and even on my Bluetooth keyboard F8 wouldn't work, each time everything was
back to normal once I restarted the phone.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robin Christopherson
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 8:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Two finger double tap now not controlling media playback since
iOS7.02

 

Guys

 

I've been expecting to see someone flag this since 7.02 came out but maybe
it's just me. Since updating to 7.02 my two finger double tap to start/stop
playback from the home screen and in every app has gone. I can do it from
the remote and also using the controls on-screen in the relevant app but no
two finger double tap (sob). Anyone else experiencing this?

 

Thanks, Robin.

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RE: Two finger double tap now not controlling media playback since iOS7.02

2013-09-27 Thread Cristóbal
I too had this behaviar. Turning the phone off and back on fixed it for me.
What I did notice is that it only happened after I would place the phone in
a speaker dock. I have no idea if that was the cause per say, but just
thought I'd mention in case others are using docks and experiencing the same
issue after using them. In my case, I'm using a 4S.

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Of paras shah
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iOS7.02

This was an issue for me.
Try to restart the phone.
It will work


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 Guys

 I’ve been expecting to see someone flag this since 7.02 came out but 
 maybe it’s just me. Since updating to 7.02 my two finger double tap to 
 start/stop playback from the home screen and in every app has gone. I 
 can do it from the remote and also using the controls on-screen in the 
 relevant app but no two finger double tap (sob). Anyone else experiencing
this?

 Thanks, Robin.

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calendar and appointment list

2013-09-27 Thread Regina Alvarado
OK, I must be having a senior moment! LOL! I know I was told to tap 
apppointments when in the native calendar to get a list, but I see no 
appointment button. Can someone point me to where it is on the screen, please. 
Is there a podcast yet on using this calendar? Thanks.



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Re: Constantly Asking For Apple Password

2013-09-27 Thread Teresa Cochran
Find My IPhone has a new feature in ioS7 that requires the Apple ID password to 
be entered before using the phone the first time. i don't think that condition 
applies here. You might try going into your settings, mail, contacts, etc. to 
make sure you have the correct password stored for use with ICloud services.

Hth,
Teresa
On Sep 27, 2013, at 4:21 AM, MamaPeach mamape...@charter.net wrote:

 It is NOT the passcode, I DO NOT have a passcode on my device. This screen 
 gives my Apple ID and then asks for my Apple password, not passcode.
 
 -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
 Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 10:33 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Constantly Asking For Apple Password
 
 You're talking about the pass code, but the subject line and original
 message says Apple password, which is something different. I'm just
 pointing this out in case the originator was looking for something else.
 Maybe they could clarify.
 
 On 09/26/2013 09:12 PM, Tom Frank wrote:
 Go into Settings, then General,  and down to Password Lock. You can
 change the setting from Immediately to One minute, five minutes, etc. I
 changed mine to one hour.
 
 I agree that the password immediately setting is very annoying.
 
 Tom Frank
 vermont...@gmail.com mailto:vermont...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 
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 Since updating to IOS 7 on my Ipod Touch 5th Gen, I am constantly
 being asked to type in my Apple password. How do I stop this from
 happening? I have looked around and can’t find where to stop this. I
 thought it might be in iTunes and App Store, but I don’t see it in there.
 
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Re: i message questons

2013-09-27 Thread Teresa Cochran
IMessage is a special case, hannah. Depending on what contact info a person 
wants to use, you can use an email address. For example, I have an iPod Touch. 
I don't have a mobile number, so I use an email address.

HtH,
Teresa
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 Hello all
 
 Can i ask on another list people are giving out there e-mail address's so 
 people can use them to send i message i don't understand how i can send a i 
 message to a e-mail address as surely it goes off the mobile number
 
 
 Sorry if this seems off toppic but just thought i would try chat soon hanah  
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Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-27 Thread Wil James
 It's not 3 gigs.  It's actually 1.2 gigs.

I can see why folks wit 16 GB phones would bee upset with the exxtra space 
being ttaken up by the upgrade file.  Fortunately, I made sure to secure a 
device with more storage.


Sent from my iPad Mini

 On Sep 26, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Well, it seems to me that the bugs in contacts where you can't edit the first 
 or last name of a contact are in and of themselves serious enough to warrant 
 not upgrading. And as somebody with a 32 GB model who doesn't have all that 
 much space left, I really don't want this  3 GB worth of download on my 
 iPhone until I'm ready to upgrade. Chris I don't understand why you don't get 
 this. But to each his own.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 26, 2013, at 9:26 AM, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I don't understand the hold out either and actually think this is a good 
 move on Apple's part. I know iOS 7 contain bugs, but all initial releases of 
 software, regardless of platform, will have bugs. They will only improve not 
 worsen over time. I have a few bugs myself in iOS 7 but I cope with them and 
 they are not deal breakers for me. I guess some of us on here, as well as 
 some of the general public, do not like change. Well it's what it is so deal 
 with it. And that's not me being harsh; that's me being realistic.
 
 On 26/09/2013 16:15, Daniel Miller wrote:
 Hello,
 
 For those of you who want/need to stay on iOS 6 for whatever reason, I come 
 with some bad news.
 According to an article I’ll link to below, Apple is pushing the OTA update 
 to 7 automatically to devices that don’t have 7 installed yet, with no user 
 consent, and no way to reclaim the lost storage space the update uses when 
 downloaded.
 http://appadvice.com/appnn/2013/09/apple-is-automatically-pushing-out-ios-7-to-holdout-devices
 
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RE: calendar and appointment list

2013-09-27 Thread Scott Duck
Regina,
Hit the search button.  That will give you a list of scheduled events,
basically like it was before IOS7.
HTH,
Scott Duck


-Original Message-
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Of Regina Alvarado
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 11:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: calendar and appointment list

OK, I must be having a senior moment! LOL! I know I was told to tap
apppointments when in the native calendar to get a list, but I see no
appointment button. Can someone point me to where it is on the screen,
please. Is there a podcast yet on using this calendar? Thanks.



reggie and Allegra

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Re: some questions with the bard app

2013-09-27 Thread Alan Paganelli
I believe that button is turned off when your connected to a WI-FI 
connection such as in a home network.  When you start downloading books that 
can run a hundred megs or more you need to exercise caution if you only have 
a 2 hundred meg data plan.

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Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.


Please click on:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!


- Original Message - 
From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: some questions with the bard app


Note that you can add books to your wish list when viewing the recent 
books list from a browser. You just need to click on the books name and 
then the add to wish list button.


Also, you don't need a wifi connection to download books. You can do it 
over a cellular connection if you want. Just turn the mobile option to on 
in the settings tab.


On 09/27/2013 07:57 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote:

You can add your books to the wish list let's say from using your
computer. They will stay in the wish list folder until your ready to
download then to the bard app.  This helps save disk space on your
iPhone.  If you've got a 64 GB hard drive it probably isn't much of a
concern.  However, if you've only got an 8 gig phone, it may be a very
useful feature.  Note: the bard app will not do simultaneous downloads.
The app will cue your downloads and then download them one at a time.
All that having been said, it's my favorite app on my iPhone.  On trips
I can leave my Victor reader Stream at home.  It's the Stream 1.  My
bard app lets me look for books and download them regardless of where I
am.  I thought when bard went online that it was like having the keys to
the library because I could find something to read any time day or
night.  Now with the bard app for iPhone, I can look for a book any time
of day or night and anywhere I can get a connection to the internet.  It
doesn't get any easier then that.
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Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

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Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

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http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played 
on

the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on
my website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - From: alia robinson ali...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: some questions with the bard app


this isn't true, at least in the recent books/magazines list. If you tap
on a magazine in this you go directly to download. If you search you
have to add them to the wish list.  I wonder why you can simply download
when in recently added, and not in any other part of the site.

Alia
On Sep 24, 2013, at 8:56 AM, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com
wrote:


Hi,
You have to add books to your wish list before you can download them.




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Re: installing IOS 7

2013-09-27 Thread Carol Pearson
I was just a bit worried when my phone took about 10 minutes to boot, after it 
had said phone booting! Wouldn't it b much better to have had that announcement 
just before it really was rebooting!

Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

On 27 Sep 2013, at 12:28 am Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

Nothing to do really.  It might take about 10 minutes for your phone to start 
back up.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

 On Sep 26, 2013, at 7:00 PM, Ray T. Mahorney mahorney@googlemail.com 
 wrote:
 
 What should I expect to see during the install process?  When the install 
 started the phone shut
 down.  What's next and how long do I have to wait until I can go near it 
 again?
 
 
 Ray T. Mahorney
 WA4WGA
 
 
 
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Re: some questions with the bard app

2013-09-27 Thread Christopher Chaltain
This setting is off by default. Once you turn it on, it'll stay on, but 
cellular data will only be used when you're not connected to a wifi 
network. You are right. You need to be careful with this setting since 
BARD books tend to be over 100M.


On 09/27/2013 11:20 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote:

I believe that button is turned off when your connected to a WI-FI
connection such as in a home network.  When you start downloading books
that can run a hundred megs or more you need to exercise caution if you
only have a 2 hundred meg data plan.
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Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
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There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on
my website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain
chalt...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: some questions with the bard app



Note that you can add books to your wish list when viewing the recent
books list from a browser. You just need to click on the books name
and then the add to wish list button.

Also, you don't need a wifi connection to download books. You can do
it over a cellular connection if you want. Just turn the mobile option
to on in the settings tab.

On 09/27/2013 07:57 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote:

You can add your books to the wish list let's say from using your
computer. They will stay in the wish list folder until your ready to
download then to the bard app.  This helps save disk space on your
iPhone.  If you've got a 64 GB hard drive it probably isn't much of a
concern.  However, if you've only got an 8 gig phone, it may be a very
useful feature.  Note: the bard app will not do simultaneous downloads.
The app will cue your downloads and then download them one at a time.
All that having been said, it's my favorite app on my iPhone.  On trips
I can leave my Victor reader Stream at home.  It's the Stream 1.  My
bard app lets me look for books and download them regardless of where I
am.  I thought when bard went online that it was like having the keys to
the library because I could find something to read any time day or
night.  Now with the bard app for iPhone, I can look for a book any time
of day or night and anywhere I can get a connection to the internet.  It
doesn't get any easier then that.
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Alan

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Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

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http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances
played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on
my website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - From: alia robinson ali...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: some questions with the bard app


this isn't true, at least in the recent books/magazines list. If you tap
on a magazine in this you go directly to download. If you search you
have to add them to the wish list.  I wonder why you can simply download
when in recently added, and not in any other part of the site.

Alia
On Sep 24, 2013, at 8:56 AM, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com
wrote:


Hi,
You have to add books to your wish list before you can download them.




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Re: installing IOS 7

2013-09-27 Thread Chris H
Carol just to say the iDevice goes into some pre-os environment similar 
to Windows Pe or whatever it is on the mac so the iDevice is really 
rebooting but not into the full os.



christopher...@gmail.com

On 27/09/2013 17:25, Carol Pearson wrote:

I was just a bit worried when my phone took about 10 minutes to boot, after it 
had said phone booting! Wouldn't it b much better to have had that announcement 
just before it really was rebooting!

Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

On 27 Sep 2013, at 12:28 am Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

Nothing to do really.  It might take about 10 minutes for your phone to start 
back up.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info


On Sep 26, 2013, at 7:00 PM, Ray T. Mahorney mahorney@googlemail.com 
wrote:

What should I expect to see during the install process?  When the install 
started the phone shut
down.  What's next and how long do I have to wait until I can go near it again?


Ray T. Mahorney
WA4WGA



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Re: installing IOS 7

2013-09-27 Thread Carol Pearson
The point is that we normally think of a reboot as taking about one or two 
minutes. I think most people won't know what it is actually doing is something 
different!

Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

On 27 Sep 2013, at 05:49 pm, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote:

Carol just to say the iDevice goes into some pre-os environment similar to 
Windows Pe or whatever it is on the mac so the iDevice is really rebooting but 
not into the full os.


christopher...@gmail.com

 On 27/09/2013 17:25, Carol Pearson wrote:
 I was just a bit worried when my phone took about 10 minutes to boot, after 
 it had said phone booting! Wouldn't it b much better to have had that 
 announcement just before it really was rebooting!
 
 Carol P
 Sent from my iPhone using MBraille
 
 On 27 Sep 2013, at 12:28 am Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Nothing to do really.  It might take about 10 minutes for your phone to start 
 back up.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Sep 26, 2013, at 7:00 PM, Ray T. Mahorney mahorney@googlemail.com 
 wrote:
 
 What should I expect to see during the install process?  When the install 
 started the phone shut
 down.  What's next and how long do I have to wait until I can go near it 
 again?
 
 
 Ray T. Mahorney
 WA4WGA
 
 
 
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RE: calendar and appointment list

2013-09-27 Thread Paul and Paula Jordan
Hey, all. When I hit the search button it takes me to sometime in 2012.  Is
there a way to ask for a specific month or date?  I haven't found one, but I
tend to miss these little things.  I've tried typing in the name of the
month in the search field, but that didn't seem to help.  Any thoughts?
God bless!
Paula and Babe

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Subject: RE: calendar and appointment list

Regina,
Hit the search button.  That will give you a list of scheduled events,
basically like it was before IOS7.
HTH,
Scott Duck


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Regina Alvarado
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 11:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: calendar and appointment list

OK, I must be having a senior moment! LOL! I know I was told to tap
apppointments when in the native calendar to get a list, but I see no
appointment button. Can someone point me to where it is on the screen,
please. Is there a podcast yet on using this calendar? Thanks.



reggie and Allegra

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About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

2013-09-27 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Mary and others,

I didn't even know about the claim you can't edit first and last name. So, I
just tried it and yes, it appears that once I double tap on First or Last
Name, I can't flick up and down with rotor set to characters and review the
name. However, I just tried the Delete key and I could delete the name
without any difficulties and type it in again.
I would also classify this as extremely low on the list of important bugs
because once you have a contact added, how often do you have to actually go
in and edit the first and last name. I am not saying it shouldn't be fixed,
but it's certainly not a dealbreaker.

As far as all of the other issues, well, I don't want to sound smug or
condescending, but I have been running iOS 7 since Beta 5 in mid August and
first of all I don't think there are any more bugs than there were when iOS
5 or iOS 6 was released. Second, a fair number of the things people report I
for one either can't reproduce or if I can I can easily find a work-around.
Lastly, if as Raul also pointed out, people on here read the messages and
followed the advice many of us are giving, list traffic would I think be at
least 30% or more lower. I don't know how often I have seen messages about
where the Delete button on the Phone keypad has gone or how can I get rid of
the extra characters popping up on the keyboard if I hold my finger on a
letter too long. I could come up with numerous other examples and if
somebody took the time to condense these thousands of messages since the iOS
7 update into a list of actual bugs along with any potential work-arounds I
still hold that iOS 7 is probably the update with the least problems and the
best new feature set.
Another huge chunk of messages deals with complaints about how the old
notification center was better than the new, how people don't like or do
like the new app switcher and stuff like that.
Maybe you wonder what that has to do with the fact that many on the list
feel iOS 7 is a complete let down by Apple and a huge step backward in
accessibility. What I think it has to do with that is perception. People are
overwhelmed with hundreds of messages each day, many are complaints about 2
or 3 things or repeats about a few bugs. One person posted that he better
wait with the upgrade because such a huge jump in list traffic can only mean
there are lots of problems. If you go back, however, and look at list
traffic right after the iOS 4, 5 and 6 update there was just such a spike.
For iOS 4 and 5 it may have seemed less because there were way less people
on the list at that point.

In short I feel that there is absolutely no reason why somebody who has an
iPhone 4, 4S or 5 shouldn't upgrade. Yes, I know people say iOS 7 is
sluggish on the iPhone 4 and even the 4S, a few even say this about the 5. I
do have a 4S right now and I don't see it, maybe when you open an app for
the first time it takes a second or 2 longer, but when I navigate my phone,
type or activate buttons and items like an alert in the Notification Center
my 4S does things just as snappily as before. I also heard from enough
people who have the iPhone 4 that iOS 7 performs very well, so I conclude
that if somebody has issues it's maybe because they upgraded without
bothering to empty the app switcher and do a restart and things are just
bogged down. It should be fairly common sense that one should not perform
any major updates without doing a backup first and then making sure to close
out open apps. If I install the monthly Windows updates I don't do so while
I have 6 programs open. My advice is that if your device is sluggish, do a
restore and redo the upgrade but this time close your apps and reset the
phone first before you hook it up to iTunes and do that. Then after the
upgrade, power the phone off again, wait 30 seconds and restart it. My guess
is that you will find a vastly improved experience waiting.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Free iOS7 Online iLife Event

2013-09-27 Thread Marcy Weinberg
Good afternoon, everyone,

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