MBraille Not Working Well in IOS 10

[Arnold Schmidt]

I hope I am the only one having the problem, but MBraille is not working very 
well in IOS 10. It will crash for no reason, sometimes after only a few 
letters, and I have to start over. It seems especially bad when I am using it 
as a third-party keyboard. Until it can be straightened out, I guess I will 
have to learn  to use Apple's braille screen input. I miss MBraille! I hope I 
am the only one having problems with it.Arnold Schmidt  

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone

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RE: Text messaging, getting to the newest message

[Alan Lemly]

Maybe my Messages app works differently from the other repliers but when I open 
a message thread, the components of it are listed from oldest to newest with 
the most recent at the bottom, not the top of the screen. If you find focus at 
the top or on the oldest part of the thread, place focus on the leftmost button 
on the bottomline menu and swipe left once. This should move you to the bottom 
or most recent message in the thread.

Alan Lemly

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Wayne Merritt
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 8:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Text messaging, getting to the newest message

You can also go to the status bar and double tap any item up there, like the 
time or battery status. That will take your focus to the top of the screen or 
page one of whatever series of pages you are looking at. this method works on a 
web page, in an app, or anywhere else.

Hth,
Wayne

On 10/1/16, Jennie Facer  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Have you tried doing a four-finger single tap at the top of the 
> screen? You should land on the edit button. Now flick right a couple 
> of times, and then you should be on your newest one.
>
> Jenn
>
> Jenn and Kumi
>
>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 8:15 AM, John J. Fioravanti, Jr. 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi: I find on occasions, when I go into my messages  old messages are 
>> appearing and to get to the newest ones, I have to flick through the 
>> screen. Is there a keystroke to get to the most recent message 
>> without going through that? Thanks.
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Re: iPad Mini and Contacts

[Deb Lewis]

Save them to the Cloud on your first device, and turn on the contacts
for ICloud on the second device. Works for your browser favorites as
well.

On 10/1/16, Jim Portillo  wrote:
> Howdy!
>
>
>
> Question.
>
> I just got an iPad Mini for a steal of a price and am setting up.  It's an
> iPad Mini 2, but for what I need to do, it's fine with me.
>
>
>
> I decided to set it up as a new device rather than going and restoring from
> iCloud, which only has my iPhone backup. I wasn't sure I wanted all of the
> apps I have on my phone to go on the iPad.
>
> One thing I'd like to know is how I can get my contacts onto my iPad
> without
> having to rebuild the list.  I have many contacts on my phone and think it
> would be easy and good to have them on my iPad as well.
>
> I've got my email accounts set up, but with email come contacts.
>
>
>
> Any advice?
>
> Jim
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RE: New Sams Club app

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Just like with any new technology there often is a period where accessibility 
suffers, but at the same time some of the same technology may have the capacity 
to be made accessible. One example is bank machines as in ATM terminals. At 
least here in Canada they are by now pretty much all accessible as long as you 
have a headset with you that you can plug in. I guess one twist of the new 
iPhone 7 and models going forward is that I'll have to make sure I have a 3.5mm 
headset in my backpack or that I definitely have the 3.5mm adapter with me 
since of course I doubt ATM's will be equipped with a Lightning port any time 
soon.
So, Brent, for the time being you'll have to snatch somebody to get that soda 
or, of course you could simply bring your own which is much cheaper  *smile*.


Regards,
Sieghard
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Brent Harding
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 5:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Sams Club app

They just replaced all the vending machines at work with this new self-checkout 
concept, making it that much harder for me to get a soda. The hard part now 
literally is finding someone around at lunch to help, since my lunch time is at 
a time not many people take, since other shifts seem to be what is preferred 
around there. I heard this idea is eventually coming to restaurants. I wonder 
how we can be able to even order or get things in the future if it starts to 
take off?

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 2:32 PM
Subject: RE: New Sams Club app

It is not that different from self checkout lanes, if somebody really wanted to 
steel smaller items that way they can also do so, all they would have to do is 
hold a smaller item behind a larger one when they scan at the self checkout and 
then put it back in the cart. I think all of these systems count on most people 
being honest, but I am equally sure that these big companies also factor in a 
percentage of theft/disception. On the other hand they are basically making the 
shoppers perform the work a casheer usually would perform so they are saving 
money and I doubt people steel more this way then any other way. If somebody 
wants to steel they do it regardless and either get away with it or not. If 
they get caught they typically get a slap on the wrist which in most cases 
won't prevent them from doing it again on the next day or the next week.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Gilley
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 2:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New Sams Club app

So, I found this to be very interesting.
What is preventing someone to scan a few items, and slip smaller items into 
their cart with out scanning?
They don't have to see a casheer to verify all items have been paid for?
I don't think the person at the door looks at all the items in the cart and 
what was paid for that closely do they?
This just feels like an open door to someone getting away without paying for 
everything if they can get away with it.
Anyways, not bashing, just some thoughts that came to mind.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups. com
Subject: New Sams Club app

For Sams Club members there is a new app called Scanb to go. It will allow you 
to scan your items as you place them in your cart. It will keep a running total 
and when you are done you can pay with your phone and show the receipt on your 
phone to the person at the door, thus by-passing the cashier. It is accessible 
but unfortunately knowing where they place the bar codes isn't.
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Re: recommendation for bluetooth device which can be an ear-piece or used in both ears for great music sound

[gs]

Just reviewing old messages. Of course there is a significant delay, just as 
with many other bluetooth devices.

On Mar 14, 2016, at 6:29 PM, Chip Orange  wrote:

Hi Robin,
 
If there’s a lag I don’t notice it.  It seems just like the Iphone speaker to 
me.
 
The ear-buds I would describe as squishy (the part which inserts into your ear 
canal), with a small round hard nub which is for you to grip onto, in order to 
guide it into your ear. 
 
If you order from Amazon they are Prime, and of course returnable.
 
Chip
 
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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
Of Robin Christopherson
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 4:41 AM
To: VIPhone
Subject: recommendation for bluetooth device which can be an ear-piece or used 
in both ears for great music sound
 
Chip
 
Thanks for the review – extremely interesting. What I’d like to know before 
going ahead and buying them is whether there is noticeable or acceptable lag 
when using VO on either your phone or Mac. If there was even a quarter second 
delay that would be unsupportable in my experience.
 
Also it would be great to know what the in-ear buds are like. Hard like earPods 
or squishy like other in-ears?
 
Thanks, Robin
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Re: Text messaging, getting to the newest message

[Wayne Merritt]

You can also go to the status bar and double tap any item up there,
like the time or battery status. That will take your focus to the top
of the screen or page one of whatever series of pages you are looking
at. this method works on a web page, in an app, or anywhere else.

Hth,
Wayne

On 10/1/16, Jennie Facer  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Have you tried doing a four-finger single tap at the top of the screen? You
> should land on the edit button. Now flick right a couple of times, and then
> you should be on your newest one.
>
> Jenn
>
> Jenn and Kumi
>
>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 8:15 AM, John J. Fioravanti, Jr. 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi: I find on occasions, when I go into my messages  old messages are
>> appearing and to get to the newest ones, I have to flick through the
>> screen. Is there a keystroke to get to the most recent message without
>> going through that? Thanks.
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Re: Need to know how to wipe an iphone clean

[englishrider91]

While Rajmund's answer was a good one, here's a few more steps that would be a 
great idea to take. I'm pasting in the text of an article beneath this 
paragraph, followed by the link after that.

How-To: Safely prepare + wipe your iPhone for resale or trade-in – 9to5Mac

If you’re thinking of selling or trading in your current iPhone ahead of the 
iPhone 6S’s release, you probably know that you’ll need to wipe your device 
before a buyer can use it free and clear. Prepping an iPhone for resale used to 
be almost as easy as hitting a “reset” button in the iPhone’s settings menu. 
But over the past few years, the process has become more complex thanks to new 
security, wallet, and cloud-dependent features such as Activation Lock, Apple 
Pay and iTunes in the Cloud. Completely removing all of your personal items 
from your iPhone — and your iPhone from Apple’s servers — requires extra work.

Today, I’m going to walk you through the process of thoroughly scrubbing your 
iPhone prior to resale. There are 9 steps to take to make sure your device is 
cleaned up and ready to sell to its next owner. Here they are…


[1] Erase All Content And Settings. The first, easiest, and best-known step in 
wiping your iPhone is found within the Settings app at the bottom of the 
General menu: click on Reset, then “Erase All Content And Settings.” (I’d 
suggest taking this step only after using iTunes to do two complete, encrypted 
backups of your iPhone to your computer. If you’re planning to move from iPhone 
to a non-Apple smartphone, follow Apple’s guide to deactivating iMessage before 
erasing your phone, as well.)




You will be prompted to enter your iPhone’s passcode, then told that “this will 
delete all media and data, and erase all settings.” If you press the Erase 
iPhone button, iOS will ask you for your iCloud account password to “erase this 
iPhone and remove it from your [iCloud] account.”


You’ll be surprised at how quickly the iPhone is wiped — as soon as you’ve 
entered your password and hit erase, you’ll get a notification email on your 
account’s other devices that Find My iPhone was disabled, and it should take 
only a couple of minutes for the wiped iPhone to display “Hello” and “Slide to 
Set Up” text. Is the erasure secure? Well, all of the iPhone’s memory is 
protected using AES-256 encryption, and hitting the Erase iPhone button 
destroys the encryption key. Several security companies have tried to offer 
‘secure erase’ tools that more aggressively scrub the iPhone’s memory, but 
Apple has shut those tools down as ‘misleading,’ noting that the encryption is 
effectively unbreakable. Hitting the Reset button leaves the former contents of 
your device all but completely impossible to recover by a subsequent owner. But 
you’ll be able to get everything back from your computer’s encrypted iTunes 
backup, should you need it.


[2] What About Activation Lock + Disabling Find My iPhone? As shown above, you 
can manually disable Find My iPhone by going into the Settings app’s iCloud 
menu, pressing the Find My iPhone “On” button, flipping the Find My iPhone 
switch to off, and entering your iCloud password. But if you use the Erase All 
Content And Settings feature above, this step is automatically handled for you 
when you enter your iCloud password at the end of the process. Either method 
will disable your iPhone’s “Activation Lock,” the security system that allows 
you to locate, remotely wipe, and send signals to an iPhone no longer in your 
possession. Any purchaser of a used iPhone will expect you to have taken this 
step (or more wisely, the step above) before selling your device.


[3] Apple Pay/Credit Card and Touch ID Fingerprint Wiping. If you’re using an 
iPhone 6, iPhone 6 Plus, or newer iPhone, erasing your iPhone will 
automatically purge whatever credit cards and fingerprints you’ve stored in 
your iPhone. (Even attempting to disable fingerprint protection for your device 
will prevent it from storing cards for Apple Pay.) You will probably receive a 
collection of emails from your banks noting each “Virtual card” that has been 
“deleted from Apple Pay,” and you may also receive notices of the card’s 
deletion from your Apple Watch. If you want to manually remove individual cards 
or fingerprints, the Settings app’s Touch ID & Passcode menu handles prints, 
and the Passbook & Apple Pay (iOS 8) or Wallet & Apple Pay (iOS 9) menu handles 
cards. But even if you delete cards for Apple Pay, your iPhone can still store 
card numbers for Safari web transactions; they can be deleted under Settings > 
Safari > AutoFill > Credit Cards.


[4] Carrier Lock + Clearing The ESN/IMEI/MEID. Buyers of used iPhones want to 
avoid purchasing devices that are either stolen, or still under contract with a 
cellular company. The status of an iPhone can be checked using a 
device-specific serial number that’s called an IMEI (International Mobile 
Equipment Identity) number, ESN (Electronic Serial Number), or 

Re: New Sams Club app

[Brent Harding]

They just replaced all the vending machines at work with this new self-checkout 
concept, making it that much harder for me to get a soda. The hard part now 
literally is finding someone around at lunch to help, since my lunch time is at 
a time not many people take, since other shifts seem to be what is preferred 
around there. I heard this idea is eventually coming to restaurants. I wonder 
how we can be able to even order or get things in the future if it starts to 
take off?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 2:32 PM
  Subject: RE: New Sams Club app


  It is not that different from self checkout lanes, if somebody really wanted 
to steel smaller items that way they can also do so, all they would have to do 
is hold a smaller item behind a larger one when they scan at the self checkout 
and then put it back in the cart. I think all of these systems count on most 
people being honest, but I am equally sure that these big companies also factor 
in a percentage of theft/disception. On the other hand they are basically 
making the shoppers perform the work a casheer usually would perform so they 
are saving money and I doubt people steel more this way then any other way. If 
somebody wants to steel they do it regardless and either get away with it or 
not. If they get caught they typically get a slap on the wrist which in most 
cases won't prevent them from doing it again on the next day or the next week.

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jeremy Gilley
  Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 2:47 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: New Sams Club app

   

  So, I found this to be very interesting.

  What is preventing someone to scan a few items, and slip smaller items into 
their cart with out scanning?

  They don't have to see a casheer to verify all items have been paid for?

  I don't think the person at the door looks at all the items in the cart and 
what was paid for that closely do they?

  This just feels like an open door to someone getting away without paying for 
everything if they can get away with it.

  Anyways, not bashing, just some thoughts that came to mind.

   


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  For Sams Club members there is a new app called Scanb to go. It will allow 
you to scan your items as you place them in your cart. It will keep a running 
total and when you are done you can pay with your phone and show the receipt on 
your phone to the person at the door, thus by-passing the cashier. It is 
accessible but unfortunately knowing where they place the bar codes isn't.

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iPad Mini and Contacts

[Jim Portillo]

Howdy!

 

Question.

I just got an iPad Mini for a steal of a price and am setting up.  It's an
iPad Mini 2, but for what I need to do, it's fine with me.

 

I decided to set it up as a new device rather than going and restoring from
iCloud, which only has my iPhone backup. I wasn't sure I wanted all of the
apps I have on my phone to go on the iPad.

One thing I'd like to know is how I can get my contacts onto my iPad without
having to rebuild the list.  I have many contacts on my phone and think it
would be easy and good to have them on my iPad as well.

I've got my email accounts set up, but with email come contacts.

 

Any advice?

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Re: Whatsapp

[Julian]

Hi Ray,

That is correct, what app is no longer playing the message audio through the 
Bluetooth your piece as an iOS 10. It sounds like it wants to start playing but 
then cuts off.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 1, 2016, at 12:27 PM, 'ray t. mahorney' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> If I remember right, whatsapp played back through a BT headset but it 
> recorded through the phojnes microphone.  Is it no longer playing back 
> through the BT earpiece?
>  
> From: Julian
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 15:12
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Whatsapp
>  
> Hi Gordon,
> 
> It was working just fine with my Plantronics headset all the way until I 
> started using iOS 10.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 10:53 AM, Gordan Radić  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> I believe I experienced this long time ago using Plantronics BackBeat Go 2 
>> and iOS 8 or 9, I can't remember but it seemed at the time beeing WhatsApp 
>> wouldn't work with BT headsets.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> S poštovanjem
>> Gordan Radić
>> 
>>   
>> 
>> 30.9.2016. u 20:30, Julian je napisao/la:
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I believe this is a bug. I've experienced the exact same thing using both 
>>> an iPhone 6s running iOS 10 as well as an iPhone 7 running iOS 10 with the 
>>> Plantronics voyager edge.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 30, 2016, at 8:31 AM, rubyalphonse  wrote:
 
 Hello all, this is Ruby from Bangalore India, I am using iPhone 6 and the 
 latest update iOS 10.0.2  I am not able to hear Whatsapp voice messages on 
 my PLT_Edge, is there any settings to do? Or is this a bug. Please do let 
 me know, any help is appreciated. Thanks again in advance, Ruby
 
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re: Need to know how to wipe an iphone clean

[rajmund]

Hi, settings, general, reset, erase all content and settings.  
HTH


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Need to know how to wipe an iphone clean

[Teresa Christian]

Hi all,

I have an iPhone 5 I am getting ready to sell and need to know how to
get all my info and apps wipped off of it.

What is the best way to do this?

Thanks,

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Re: Suppress iOS 10 update message

[Dave]

it isn't necesary to do a back-up every day, unless, you are installing 
apps, and data, on a daily basis.


Also there use to be a back up now button, which you can do manualy, in the 
iCloud settings, without having to charge and lock your handset.


I think that this option, is still there, but i am not 100 percent sure.

However, make sure, that your phone is fully charged, before doing a manual 
back-up.


and as you say, you also can do it through iTunes.

Dave.

-Original Message- 
From: christopher hallsworth

Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 6:47 PM
To: Viphone
Subject: Re: Suppress iOS 10 update message

But like someone posted, you will prevent iCloud backups in the process 
unless you don’t care about that and backup through iTunes.

On 30 Sep 2016, at 22:10, Dave  wrote:

The update isn't aquired from the app store.

deleting the update, will only last, until you charge and lock your 
handset, then it will redownload.


The only way, i can think of, is to delete any update that has already 
been downloaded, and turn off WiFi, when you are charging your phone.


This will stop the redownload of the update.

Just remember, that once your phone is fully charged, you should remove 
the charging cable and turn back on your WiFi.


Dave.

-Original Message- From: Richard
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 9:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Suppress iOS 10 update message

The download can be removed from the device, eliminating the nag message,
and freeing up 1gb from your device.
When a person is ready to upgrade, simply re-download from the app store.

HTH,
Rick
- Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 


To: "Viphone" 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: Suppress iOS 10 update message


Actually, turning off wi-fi when a device is charging is a good idea, and
not one I’ve thought about. That way, the update won’t be downloaded as 
that

requires wi-fi. Just remember to turn it back on again when the device is
off charge.

On 30 Sep 2016, at 09:09, Dave  wrote:

people should be able to update when they are comfortable with the 
update,
and not have to be nagged every 5 minutes. we pay a lot of money for 
these

devices.
can't stand these high and mighty people, who just can't answer a
question, and think they have the right, to tell us, what they think we
should do!
If you can't answer the question which is posed, then don't answer it at
all!

Dave.

-Original Message- From: christopher hallsworth
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 7:27 AM
To: Viphone
Subject: Re: Suppress iOS 10 update message

No there is not. You will just have to deal with it until you are ready 
to

upgrade. Better still, upgrade to rid the nag messages forever.

On 29 Sep 2016, at 21:12, Marshall Scott  wrote:

Hi,
Is there a way to suppress the nag message about upgrading to iOS 10?
I'm not ready to upgrade yet and I'm getting tired and annoyed with the
message.
Thanks,
Marshall

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Re: Perhaps cautionary tale about Gazelle

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
Speaking strictly for my experience and device. You got it that's exactly 
how I shipped my phone to them minus accessories as they specifically didn't 
want them and yes I did have such a video and documentation from a manager 
of an Apple Store verifying that it'd passed their tests. again I could only 
speak for my experience a few years back as I haven't dealt with them since 
as my phone now goes back to my carrier.

Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 3:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Perhaps cautionary tale about Gazelle

Hi Robin,

"New condition" basically means in the original box with all accessories 
(unused headphones/earpods) and not a single scratch on it. This is pretty 
difficult with any used iPhone.
As for Cathy, I would wait to see what they say and if they insist the phone 
is not working I would ask them to send it back so you can check yourself. 
If it is truely not working there is of course a chance something happened 
to it during transport, but then you would only have a chance if it was 
insured and you can proof it.
I guess this goes to show one should maybe do a little video before shipping 
off such devices showing the phone works and show the screen with the 
phone's serial number and so on and also have a credible witness there in 
the video, then show when you turn the phone off, place it in the box and 
tape it up.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Robin Frost

Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 6:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Perhaps cautionary tale about Gazelle

Hi,
I used them years ago and got a message that they listed my phone as in good 
condition rather than like new. I wrote back saying I had documentation to 
prove other wise but also checked the box to accept their lower amount as it 
was either that or they sent phone back for choices and I got the original 
estimate they quoted me.  Now that I'm on the trade up plan from my carrier 
I've not the need to deal with them anymore.

If you don't like their offer you can always get your device back.
Robin


-Original Message-
From: Kathy Brandt
Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 7:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Perhaps cautionary tale about Gazelle

They said they were prepared to offer me $110 +5% for Amazon gift card 
option from my iPhone 5s. When I excepted the offer they sent me a nice box, 
in which I sent the phone, after removing from find my iPhone. Since using 
voice over, felt uncomfortable completely erasing the phone because of how I 
wouldn't know for sure when I had powered it off.


Yesterday they sent me an email saying that the device was broken, wouldn't 
power on, and offering me $20, which I can except or reject  by October 5.
The device was working when I shut it down. I am sure that the screen 
curtain was off. I didn't think about adjusting the brightness, which I had 
at zero. I did an online chat with them, where I explained these things, and 
they said they would put it through reinspection and get back to me next 
week. Interesting how on their website they don't have a phone number, but I 
found one on Google, which I will have to see if it works. So, just wondered 
if any of you had experiences with gazelle? Had gotten a Nother phone from 
AT, which was prepared to offer 65, so I had tried gazelle thinking I 
would do better.


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RE: Restoring VoiceDream Library

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Hi,

Can you describe the instructions on how to  backup and restore your VoiceDream 
Library here, or tell me where to find these instructions? Thanks, Keith

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In following the instructions for backing up and restoring my VoiceDream 
library, I was able to back everything up just fine.
However, iTunes doesn't seem to allow me to add an entire folder, namely the 
library folder, to the application. I have a ton of books and would really 
prefer to avoid adding them all individually if at all possible.

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RE: Disabling iCloud on the phone I am going to get rid of

[Sieghard Weitzel]

That is what a genious bar person told me also, a complete reset should remove 
it. Interestingely enough I did something a couple of weeks ago where I think a 
verification code was to be sent to a trusted device and my old 5S which I did 
a complete restore on was listed as a choice.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Lemly
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 8:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Disabling iCloud on the phone I am going to get rid of

Well, the description for reset all in settings still says erase all content 
and settings so I have to believe this will remove any iCloud and Apple I'd 
settings as well. Who told you that was no longer the case under iOS 10 since 
it seems very unlikely that Apple would remove the ability to reset an I device 
completely for those selling or trading them.

Good luck and enjoy your iPhone 7 Plus.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone

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Hi Joseph,
Somebody told me that with iOS 10, this is no longer true. Do you know anything 
about that?
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

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erase all content, this will erase the iPhone. From iCloud.
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I have an iPhone 7 Plus, and I am going to be getting rid of my 6S. I know I 
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least I used to be able to do that, and disable it from iTunes in there, so 
that it's no longer able to see or purchase. But what about iCloud?
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RE: Perhaps cautionary tale about Gazelle

[Sieghard Weitzel]

>From all I heard Gazelle gets very good reviews and if they started doing 
>these sorts of things they would be out of business pretty quickly.


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From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 9:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Perhaps cautionary tale about Gazelle

Reject!  trying to get it for nothing.  I hate that kind of ripoff.  Bare in 
mind, they might try to charge you for returning it, they might not send you 
yours back, but a broken one.

The choice is yours.  But one I don't envy.
- Original Message -
From: "Kathy Brandt" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 12:53 PM
Subject: Perhaps cautionary tale about Gazelle


They said they were prepared to offer me $110 +5% for Amazon gift card option 
from my iPhone 5s. When I excepted the offer they sent 
me a nice box, in which I sent the phone, after removing from find my iPhone. 
Since using voice over, felt uncomfortable completely 
erasing the phone because of how I wouldn't know for sure when I had powered it 
off.

Yesterday they sent me an email saying that the device was broken, wouldn't 
power on, and offering me $20, which I can except or 
reject  by October 5. The device was working when I shut it down. I am sure 
that the screen curtain was off. I didn't think about 
adjusting the brightness, which I had at zero. I did an online chat with them, 
where I explained these things, and they said they 
would put it through reinspection and get back to me next week. Interesting how 
on their website they don't have a phone number, but 
I found one on Google, which I will have to see if it works. So, just wondered 
if any of you had experiences with gazelle? Had 
gotten a Nother phone from AT, which was prepared to offer 65, so I had tried 
gazelle thinking I would do better.

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RE: Perhaps cautionary tale about Gazelle

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Robin,

"New condition" basically means in the original box with all accessories 
(unused headphones/earpods) and not a single scratch on it. This is pretty 
difficult with any used iPhone.
As for Cathy, I would wait to see what they say and if they insist the phone is 
not working I would ask them to send it back so you can check yourself. If it 
is truely not working there is of course a chance something happened to it 
during transport, but then you would only have a chance if it was insured and 
you can proof it.
I guess this goes to show one should maybe do a little video before shipping 
off such devices showing the phone works and show the screen with the phone's 
serial number and so on and also have a credible witness there in the video, 
then show when you turn the phone off, place it in the box and tape it up. 

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Robin Frost
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 6:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Perhaps cautionary tale about Gazelle

Hi,
I used them years ago and got a message that they listed my phone as in good 
condition rather than like new. I wrote back saying I had documentation to 
prove other wise but also checked the box to accept their lower amount as it 
was either that or they sent phone back for choices and I got the original 
estimate they quoted me.  Now that I'm on the trade up plan from my carrier 
I've not the need to deal with them anymore.
If you don't like their offer you can always get your device back.
Robin


-Original Message-
From: Kathy Brandt
Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 7:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Perhaps cautionary tale about Gazelle

They said they were prepared to offer me $110 +5% for Amazon gift card option 
from my iPhone 5s. When I excepted the offer they sent me a nice box, in which 
I sent the phone, after removing from find my iPhone. Since using voice over, 
felt uncomfortable completely erasing the phone because of how I wouldn't know 
for sure when I had powered it off.

Yesterday they sent me an email saying that the device was broken, wouldn't 
power on, and offering me $20, which I can except or reject  by October 5. 
The device was working when I shut it down. I am sure that the screen curtain 
was off. I didn't think about adjusting the brightness, which I had at zero. I 
did an online chat with them, where I explained these things, and they said 
they would put it through reinspection and get back to me next week. 
Interesting how on their website they don't have a phone number, but I found 
one on Google, which I will have to see if it works. So, just wondered if any 
of you had experiences with gazelle? Had gotten a Nother phone from AT, which 
was prepared to offer 65, so I had tried gazelle thinking I would do better.

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RE: Listening to Classical Music with Bluetooth

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I would take a look at the UE Boom or Mega Boom, these are made by Logitech and 
"UE" stands for "Ultimate Ears". These are very nice 360 degree speakers which 
are waterproof and get great ratings. They are, however, not cheap, but the 
quality you get of course is very much related to what you spend. If you are 
looking for something under $100 nothing will give you really good sound 
quality. The Ultimate Ears line of speakers can be used as single speakers or 
you can buy two and set them up as a stereo pair.

The website is www.UltimateEars.com and they are available on Amazon, from Best 
Buy and maybe also the Apple Store online, can't remember exactly, but I think 
I saw them there.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
kelby carlson
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 10:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Listening to Classical Music with Bluetooth

All,

Are there any good bluetooth speakers that will produce good sound quality when 
listening to classical music without distortion at a higher volume? Right now I 
use a Soundbrick Plus which is fairly good for most kinds of music but terrible 
for symphonies/choral music.

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RE: Text messaging app with IOS 10 being visual

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If all you want to do is send a basic text message then it's really no 
different than before. Yes, the send button is a bit smaller, but if you are 
typing text and are in the edit field all it takes is a flick right and you are 
on it.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
John J. Fioravanti, Jr.
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 5:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Text messaging app with IOS 10 being visual

Thanks very much.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gordon
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 8:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Text messaging app with IOS 10 being visual


The only thing different with the text messaging app is that the send button is 
a bit tricky to find some times. The best way to find it is to slide right 
while in the text box and you should see it. Some times if you put your finger 
in the right place you'll get it pretty quick.

On 10/1/2016 7:08 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:
I suggest that the “new features” may well be considered quite visual, but I 
was readily able to send an iMessage to myself late last night (after 
installing iOS 10.0.2) as prior to the new iOS.

I am not willing to give up on incorporating those new features as it seems to 
me that Apple engineers took care to make them accessible (much like the 
Emogies), but I imagine those of us that are totally blind will need some 
directions as how to use those features.



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Hi: I'm about to install IOS 10 and have been told that the message app is very 
visual in this new version. Is it easily accessible to us?
Thank you.

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Re: MLB at bat

[Wendy Alling]

Hi, I just looked at the MLB TV on the At Bat app. All games again today are 
listed as free MLB games of the day.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 1, 2016, at 2:26 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> By the way, I heard that MLB TV premium is free for today and tomorrow. So I 
> wonder if all the games will be shown on the At Bat app?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 2:17 PM, Scott Dollar  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>>  
>> I have tried to download the mlb.com at bat.  I was told that it was free 
>> but on my iphone 6 said that it was trying to get me to buy the $20 a month. 
>>  The reason is that I am deafblind and I am using the braille display.
>>  
>> How can I get the MLB.com at bat as free app?
>>  
>> Thank you,
>>  
>> Scott Dollar
>>  
>>  
>> From: Richard Turner
>> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 3:57 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: MLB at bat
>>  
>>  
>> Free Game of the Day means you can watch the TV broadcast without having the 
>> TV subscription.
>> HTH,
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> “By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
>> - Satsuki Shibuya
>> 
>> 
>> (Sent from my iPod 6)
>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2016, at 8:52 PM, Robert Doc Wright  
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RE: New Sams Club app

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It is not that different from self checkout lanes, if somebody really wanted to 
steel smaller items that way they can also do so, all they would have to do is 
hold a smaller item behind a larger one when they scan at the self checkout and 
then put it back in the cart. I think all of these systems count on most people 
being honest, but I am equally sure that these big companies also factor in a 
percentage of theft/disception. On the other hand they are basically making the 
shoppers perform the work a casheer usually would perform so they are saving 
money and I doubt people steel more this way then any other way. If somebody 
wants to steel they do it regardless and either get away with it or not. If 
they get caught they typically get a slap on the wrist which in most cases 
won't prevent them from doing it again on the next day or the next week.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jeremy Gilley
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 2:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New Sams Club app

So, I found this to be very interesting.
What is preventing someone to scan a few items, and slip smaller items into 
their cart with out scanning?
They don't have to see a casheer to verify all items have been paid for?
I don't think the person at the door looks at all the items in the cart and 
what was paid for that closely do they?
This just feels like an open door to someone getting away without paying for 
everything if they can get away with it.
Anyways, not bashing, just some thoughts that came to mind.


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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups. com
Subject: New Sams Club app

For Sams Club members there is a new app called Scanb to go. It will allow you 
to scan your items as you place them in your cart. It will keep a running total 
and when you are done you can pay with your phone and show the receipt on your 
phone to the person at the door, thus by-passing the cashier. It is accessible 
but unfortunately knowing where they place the bar codes isn't.
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Re: Whatsapp

['ray t. mahorney' via VIPhone]

If I remember right, whatsapp played back through a BT headset but it recorded 
through the phojnes microphone.  Is it no longer playing back through the BT 
earpiece?

From: Julian 
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 15:12
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Whatsapp

Hi Gordon,

It was working just fine with my Plantronics headset all the way until I 
started using iOS 10.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 1, 2016, at 10:53 AM, Gordan Radić  wrote:


  Hi!

  I believe I experienced this long time ago using Plantronics BackBeat Go 2 
and iOS 8 or 9, I can't remember but it seemed at the time beeing WhatsApp 
wouldn't work with BT headsets.



  S poštovanjem
  Gordan Radić

  
  

  30.9.2016. u 20:30, Julian je napisao/la:

Hello,

I believe this is a bug. I've experienced the exact same thing using both 
an iPhone 6s running iOS 10 as well as an iPhone 7 running iOS 10 with the 
Plantronics voyager edge.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 30, 2016, at 8:31 AM, rubyalphonse  wrote:


  Hello all, this is Ruby from Bangalore India, I am using iPhone 6 and the 
latest update iOS 10.0.2  I am not able to hear Whatsapp voice messages on my 
PLT_Edge, is there any settings to do? Or is this a bug. Please do let me know, 
any help is appreciated. Thanks again in advance, Ruby

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RE: Facetime

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It is a Voip app for making voice or video calls between iOS device users. It 
works just like iMessage except it is voice or video/voice and it is only 
between users of iOS devices and of course they must have Facetime enabled on 
their devices. If the person you ant to call does have an iPhone, iPad or iPod 
Touch, has it turned on and is connected to WiFi or a cellular network then you 
simply ask SIRI to make a Facetime Audio call or a Facetime call to so and so 
or you can of course go into that person's contact and tap the appropriate 
button. The call then starts and the other person's device will ring just like 
when they receive a phone call, they can pick up and at that point you are 
talking via the data connection (WiFi or Cell data).

Regards,
Sieghard

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Subject: Facetime

Hi, how does FaceTime work?

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: [blind-philly-comp] Problem With Enhanced Siri Voices No Longer Available to VoiceOver After Restoring an iPhone 6S

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The SIRI voices may just take time to download, try going into SIRI settings 
and switch SIRI to another language like British or Australian and then back to 
US and see what happens. I know you are talking about using the SIRI voices in 
Voiceover, but obviously if the high quality voice hasn't downloaded it won't 
be available and forcing it to redownload this way has worked for me in the 
past.

As for speed I suggest you do a complete restore and see if your iPhone behaves 
more snappy when it is set up as a new phone and without having first restored 
a backup. If so and it becomes slower again after restoring your backup it 
might be time to set it up as a new phone and configure it freshly the way you 
want, sync your data back to the phone and so on. Every few years I find this 
helps, backups can contain their own baggage so to speak especially if they are 
years old and have been restored from older devices to newer ones. I know 
setting up as a new phone is a bit of work, but it can be a good thing in the 
long run and then once it is all the way you want simply delete the old backup 
in iCloud or iTunes and do a new one.


Regards,
Sieghard


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Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 7:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: [blind-philly-comp] Problem With Enhanced Siri Voices No Longer 
Available to VoiceOver After Restoring an iPhone 6S



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The following is a note which I sent to Apple Accessibility concerning a 
problem where I am unable to use enhanced Siri voices with VoiceOver on iOS 10. 
If any of you have a fix for this problem, I'd be grateful for a solution.




Hello.

I am writing concerning a problem which I am unable to solve. This issue 
concerns an iPhone 6S, 64 GB model. The same problem has affected a family 
member who owns an iPhone 6, 128 GB.

Here are the details of my device and the problem I am experiencing.

I am visually impaired and use VoiceOver for access. I use the U.S. Siri 
enhanced male voice. My iPhone 6S initially came preinstalled with iOS 9. Its 
speed and overall performance were extremely satisfactory using VoiceOver. When 
iOS 10 was publicly released, I downloaded and installed it onto my 6S. I 
noticed that some apps took a longer time to load. I also noticed a slightly 
longer than usual delay when performing the two-finger scrub gesture to move 
back to the previous screen. While I wouldn't say that the delays were 
unacceptable, I admit to being disappointed at the difference in performance on 
a phone which is still a very recent model. I decided to perform a complete 
reset and erase, followed by a restore from a recent iTunes backup, hoping that 
doing so might increase my phone's performance.

After performing the restore from iTunes, I noticed that there was no 
difference in my phone's performance. However, I was unable to switch to the 
enhanced Siri voices with VoiceOver as these voices were no longer listed as 
available choices. While it was possible to set VoiceOver to any of the Siri 
voices, these were just the lower-quality voices. The enhanced voices no longer 
appeared as possible choices. Please understand that these enhanced Siri voices 
were available to me when I initially upgraded from iOS 9 to iOS 10. They 
disappeared when I performed a reset and restore on my phone.

This is very troubling to me as these are my favorite voices and I very much 
prefer them over the other voices from Nuance and I would very much like them 
back. As I indicated, another family member who also uses VoiceOver is 
experiencing the same problem with his iPhone 6. If there is a way to return 
these voices to my phone, I would appreciate learning how this is done. If this 
is a bug due to resetting or restoring the device, I would greatly appreciate 
it if Apple could investigate the cause of the problem.


Many thanks.



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Re: Whatsapp

[Julian]

Hi Gordon,

It was working just fine with my Plantronics headset all the way until I 
started using iOS 10.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 1, 2016, at 10:53 AM, Gordan Radić  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I believe I experienced this long time ago using Plantronics BackBeat Go 2 
> and iOS 8 or 9, I can't remember but it seemed at the time beeing WhatsApp 
> wouldn't work with BT headsets.
> 
> 
> S poštovanjem
> Gordan Radić
> 
>  
>  
> 30.9.2016. u 20:30, Julian je napisao/la:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I believe this is a bug. I've experienced the exact same thing using both an 
>> iPhone 6s running iOS 10 as well as an iPhone 7 running iOS 10 with the 
>> Plantronics voyager edge.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 30, 2016, at 8:31 AM, rubyalphonse  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello all, this is Ruby from Bangalore India, I am using iPhone 6 and the 
>>> latest update iOS 10.0.2  I am not able to hear Whatsapp voice messages on 
>>> my PLT_Edge, is there any settings to do? Or is this a bug. Please do let 
>>> me know, any help is appreciated. Thanks again in advance, Ruby
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RE: Need Some Navigon Help

[Rob]

Is there a free update for Navigon maps?  I have had Navigon for several years. 
 Usually, there is a free map update about once a year.  But I haven't seen any 
message in the app or any other indication that a map update is available.  Did 
I miss something?  There is usually a limited time to take the map update free.

Rob

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Anne Robertson
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 10:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need Some Navigan Help

Hello Jed,

I’m just getting to grips with the new look of Navigon.
In the Map Manager, no maps are downloaded automatically. You have to 
double-tap with one finger on each map that you want, then go to the bottom of 
the list and double-tap on Accept Changes or whatever it says. The selected 
maps will then start downloading, and beside each will be the amount already 
downloaded followed by a slash and the full size of the map. Clicking on the 
Open button must do something visual because all I find is a Close button.
I had to uninstall and reinstall Navigon to make the Map Manager do its job.

Cheers,

Anne




> On 1 Oct 2016, at 00:27, Jed Barton  wrote:
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> Hey guys,
> 
> OK, i am a little confused with navigan.  I ahven't used it in a while. So 
> when i go to map manager, i see an edit button, and it says files requred, 
> 220 megs.
> Then i start flicking through the states and it says for example Alaska, 63 
> megabites. Does this mean the map is ready to use?
> Then i get a ways down the list,and it says Arkensaw 0 kilobites /31 
> megabites, waiting. then i flick over and it says open button.  Can you guys 
> clarify what is going on, what does the open button mean?
> I am assuming that every time you launch the program, it's attempting to 
> download all maps?
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Voice Dream Reader and iCloud

[Christina C.]

Hi,

I never did turn on iCloud sync with Voice Dream Reader. Now that some time has 
passed, I was wondering if you are loving it and if the wrinkles have been 
ironed out. I’d also like to know what things I might need to be aware of if I 
turn on the iCloud sync for Voice Dream Reader. I would backup my library 
before I try it. However, I’d like to know what you all think before I decide 
to try it.

Thanks so much,
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Re: Reading Money:

[Evan Reese]

Okay, I’m sold. Well, not sold exactly if the app is free, but you know what I 
mean. 
Evan

From: Gordan Radić 
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 1:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Reading Money:

Because TapTapSee is slow, it takes up to minute to get the answer back while 
dedicates money recognizers can give you the answer immediately.



S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić




30.9.2016. u 23:46, Evan Reese je napisao/la:

  Yeah but Larry, if TapTapSee can do it, why should I spend the money for 
that? 
  Evan 

  -Original Message- From: Larry Lumpkin 
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 5:39 PM 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: RE: Reading Money: 

  Evan, we like looktel money reader and find it fast and reliable and well 
worth the (10. 


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  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Evan Reese 
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 3:47 PM 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: Reading Money: 

  I've identified money with TapTapSee, so I haven't needed to get another app 
for reading it. 
  Evan 

  -Original Message- 
  From: Richard 
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 4:28 PM 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: Reading Money: 

  Hi Donald, 
  I find the money reader to be much better than the eye note. 

  HTH, 
  Rick 
  - Original Message - 
  From: "Donald Moore" mailto:don.moor...@icloud.com 
  To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:15 AM 
  Subject: Reading Money: 


  Any thoughts on whether iNote or Money Reader is the better app for reading 
  U.S. currency? 

  Thanks in advance. 





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Re: Low Volume

[Shawn Krasniuk]

You may not want to do that. Apple recommends pressing the power and home 
buttons instead. Using the below method could corrupt data on the phone.

Shawn
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> On Oct 1, 2016, at 12:59 AM, Brett  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> If VoiceOver is coming out of the earpiece, press the power button 6 times 
> quickly. This does a phone reset and for me fixes the issue where VO comes 
> through the earpiece.  
> 
> Cheers Brett. 
> 
> 
> On 1 Oct. 2016, at 7:10 am, Beverly  > wrote:
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>> I have just updated my 5S with the latest IOS system and now the volume is 
>> very low.  It seems to be coming from the earpiece of the phone instead of 
>> the phone itself.  Has anyone else experienced this?
>>  
>>  
>> Sincerely,
>>  
>> Beverly Hunter-Shackelford
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Re: MLB at bat

[Les Kriegler]

By the way, I heard that MLB TV premium is free for today and tomorrow. So I 
wonder if all the games will be shown on the At Bat app?

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> On Oct 1, 2016, at 2:17 PM, Scott Dollar  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
> I have tried to download the mlb.com at bat.  I was told that it was free but 
> on my iphone 6 said that it was trying to get me to buy the $20 a month.  The 
> reason is that I am deafblind and I am using the braille display.
>  
> How can I get the MLB.com at bat as free app?
>  
> Thank you,
>  
> Scott Dollar
>  
>  
> From: Richard Turner
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 3:57 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: MLB at bat
>  
>  
> Free Game of the Day means you can watch the TV broadcast without having the 
> TV subscription.
> HTH,
> Richard
> 
> 
> “By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
> - Satsuki Shibuya
> 
> 
> (Sent from my iPod 6)
> 
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>> Colorado Blind Bowling Association
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Re: MLB at bat

[Les Kriegler]

Paul, if you locate the MLB TV option and do a one finger double tap, then flip 
through the games, they will list the free game of the day and you can click on 
that and you should be in business. Just remember to turn on location services.

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> On Oct 1, 2016, at 2:17 PM, Scott Dollar  wrote:
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> Hi,
>  
> I have tried to download the mlb.com at bat.  I was told that it was free but 
> on my iphone 6 said that it was trying to get me to buy the $20 a month.  The 
> reason is that I am deafblind and I am using the braille display.
>  
> How can I get the MLB.com at bat as free app?
>  
> Thank you,
>  
> Scott Dollar
>  
>  
> From: Richard Turner
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 3:57 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: MLB at bat
>  
>  
> Free Game of the Day means you can watch the TV broadcast without having the 
> TV subscription.
> HTH,
> Richard
> 
> 
> “By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
> - Satsuki Shibuya
> 
> 
> (Sent from my iPod 6)
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2016, at 8:52 PM, Robert Doc Wright  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> What is meant when a game is labled "free game"?***
>> Colorado Blind Bowling Association
>> http://www.coblindbowling.org
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Re: MLB at bat

[Paul Ferrara]

Where do you find the free game of the day?

AThanks.

Paul

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 4:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: MLB at bat


Free Game of the Day means you can watch the TV broadcast without having the TV 
subscription.
HTH,
Richard



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Re: MLB at bat

[Scott Dollar]

Hi,

I have tried to download the mlb.com at bat.  I was told that it was free but 
on my iphone 6 said that it was trying to get me to buy the $20 a month.  The 
reason is that I am deafblind and I am using the braille display.

How can I get the MLB.com at bat as free app?

Thank you,

Scott Dollar


From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 3:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: MLB at bat


Free Game of the Day means you can watch the TV broadcast without having the TV 
subscription.
HTH,
Richard



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(Sent from my iPod 6)

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Video Tutorial

[kelby carlson]

Is there a tutorial about how to make a decent video on the iPhone
with Voiceover?

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Re: Disabling iCloud on the phone I am going to get rid of

[Gordan Radić]

  
  
Hi!
Not sure will it work on iOS 10 since my old 4S can't upgrade
  there but if you logout from iCloud, iMessages, Facetime and few
  other things including Find my iPhone you should be OK. In fact,
  be sure you logg out of Find my Iphone because this feature
  remains active after restoring to factory settings, due to
  security reasons. I formatted my 4S and right now a friend of mine
  is using it with his credentials and I don't see it in my iCloud
  Drive so I guess it is free of my Apple ID.





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1.10.2016. u 6:33, Mary Otten je
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  I have an iPhone 7 Plus, and I am going to be getting rid of my 6S. I know I have to scrub everything off of the phone, but I also want to disconnect it from iTunes and iCloud etc. I went to iCloud.com and found out all about how to set up the device, but nothing about disabling or disconnecting it. So how do you do that? I know I can go into my Mac, or at least I used to be able to do that, and disable it from iTunes in there, so that it's no longer able to see or purchase. But what about iCloud?
Mary


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Re: Restoring VoiceDream Library

[Gordan Radić]

  
  
Hmmm, I have the same problem with Foobar 2000 for iOS.
When I tab to the Add file button it only allows me to add some
  files but when I tab further than Shift + Tab once I hear Add
  Folder than I hear Add File.
It seems to me there are two buttons or split buton there but the
  screen readers doesn't recognize it correctly.



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1.10.2016. u 5:09, kelby carlson je
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  In following the instructions for backing up and restoring my
VoiceDream library, I was able to back everything up just fine.
However, iTunes doesn't seem to allow me to add an entire folder,
namely the library folder, to the application. I have a ton of books
and would really prefer to avoid adding them all individually if at
all possible.




  




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Re: Reading Money:

[Gordan Radić]

  
  
Because TapTapSee is slow, it takes up to minute to get the
  answer back while dedicates money recognizers can give you the
  answer immediately.



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30.9.2016. u 23:46, Evan Reese je
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Yeah but Larry, if TapTapSee can do it, why should I
  spend the money for that?
  
  Evan
  
  
  -Original Message- From: Larry Lumpkin
  
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 5:39 PM
  
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  
  Subject: RE: Reading Money:
  
  
  Evan, we like looktel money reader and find it fast and reliable
  and well worth the (10.
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
  On Behalf Of Evan Reese
  
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 3:47 PM
  
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  
  Subject: Re: Reading Money:
  
  
  I've identified money with TapTapSee, so I haven't needed to get
  another app for reading it.
  
  Evan
  
  
  -Original Message-
  
  From: Richard
  
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 4:28 PM
  
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  
  Subject: Re: Reading Money:
  
  
  Hi Donald,
  
  I find the money reader to be much better than the eye note.
  
  
  HTH,
  
  Rick
  
  - Original Message -
  
  From: "Donald Moore" 
  
  To: 
  
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:15 AM
  
  Subject: Reading Money:
  
  
  
  Any thoughts on whether iNote or Money Reader is the better app
  for reading
  
  U.S. currency?
  
  
  Thanks in advance.
  
  
  
  


  




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Re: Whatsapp

[Gordan Radić]

  
  
Hi!
I believe I experienced this long time ago using Plantronics
  BackBeat Go 2 and iOS 8 or 9, I can't remember but it seemed at
  the time beeing WhatsApp wouldn't work with BT headsets.



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30.9.2016. u 20:30, Julian je
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  Hello,

I believe this is a bug. I've experienced the exact same thing
using both an iPhone 6s running iOS 10 as well as an iPhone 7
running iOS 10 with the Plantronics voyager edge.
  
Sent from my iPhone
  
On Sep 30, 2016, at 8:31 AM, rubyalphonse 
wrote:

  
  

  
  
  
  
Hello all, this is Ruby from Bangalore
  India, I am using iPhone 6 and the latest update iOS
  10.0.2  I am not able to hear Whatsapp voice messages on
  my PLT_Edge, is there any settings to do? Or is this a
  bug. Please do let me know, any help is appreciated.
  Thanks again in advance, Ruby
  
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Re: Suppress iOS 10 update message

[christopher hallsworth]

But like someone posted, you will prevent iCloud backups in the process unless 
you don’t care about that and backup through iTunes.
> On 30 Sep 2016, at 22:10, Dave  wrote:
> 
> The update isn't aquired from the app store.
> 
> deleting the update, will only last, until you charge and lock your handset, 
> then it will redownload.
> 
> The only way, i can think of, is to delete any update that has already been 
> downloaded, and turn off WiFi, when you are charging your phone.
> 
> This will stop the redownload of the update.
> 
> Just remember, that once your phone is fully charged, you should remove the 
> charging cable and turn back on your WiFi.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Richard
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 9:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Suppress iOS 10 update message
> 
> The download can be removed from the device, eliminating the nag message,
> and freeing up 1gb from your device.
> When a person is ready to upgrade, simply re-download from the app store.
> 
> HTH,
> Rick
> - Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 
> 
> To: "Viphone" 
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:49 PM
> Subject: Re: Suppress iOS 10 update message
> 
> 
> Actually, turning off wi-fi when a device is charging is a good idea, and
> not one I’ve thought about. That way, the update won’t be downloaded as that
> requires wi-fi. Just remember to turn it back on again when the device is
> off charge.
>> On 30 Sep 2016, at 09:09, Dave  wrote:
>> 
>> people should be able to update when they are comfortable with the update,
>> and not have to be nagged every 5 minutes. we pay a lot of money for these
>> devices.
>> can't stand these high and mighty people, who just can't answer a
>> question, and think they have the right, to tell us, what they think we
>> should do!
>> If you can't answer the question which is posed, then don't answer it at
>> all!
>> 
>> Dave.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: christopher hallsworth
>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 7:27 AM
>> To: Viphone
>> Subject: Re: Suppress iOS 10 update message
>> 
>> No there is not. You will just have to deal with it until you are ready to
>> upgrade. Better still, upgrade to rid the nag messages forever.
>>> On 29 Sep 2016, at 21:12, Marshall Scott  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Is there a way to suppress the nag message about upgrading to iOS 10?
>>> I'm not ready to upgrade yet and I'm getting tired and annoyed with the
>>> message.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marshall
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Re: Suppress iOS 10 update message

[christopher hallsworth]

But like someone posted, you will prevent iCloud backups in the process unless 
you don’t care about that and backup through iTunes.
> On 30 Sep 2016, at 22:10, Dave  wrote:
> 
> The update isn't aquired from the app store.
> 
> deleting the update, will only last, until you charge and lock your handset, 
> then it will redownload.
> 
> The only way, i can think of, is to delete any update that has already been 
> downloaded, and turn off WiFi, when you are charging your phone.
> 
> This will stop the redownload of the update.
> 
> Just remember, that once your phone is fully charged, you should remove the 
> charging cable and turn back on your WiFi.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Richard
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 9:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Suppress iOS 10 update message
> 
> The download can be removed from the device, eliminating the nag message,
> and freeing up 1gb from your device.
> When a person is ready to upgrade, simply re-download from the app store.
> 
> HTH,
> Rick
> - Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 
> 
> To: "Viphone" 
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:49 PM
> Subject: Re: Suppress iOS 10 update message
> 
> 
> Actually, turning off wi-fi when a device is charging is a good idea, and
> not one I’ve thought about. That way, the update won’t be downloaded as that
> requires wi-fi. Just remember to turn it back on again when the device is
> off charge.
>> On 30 Sep 2016, at 09:09, Dave  wrote:
>> 
>> people should be able to update when they are comfortable with the update,
>> and not have to be nagged every 5 minutes. we pay a lot of money for these
>> devices.
>> can't stand these high and mighty people, who just can't answer a
>> question, and think they have the right, to tell us, what they think we
>> should do!
>> If you can't answer the question which is posed, then don't answer it at
>> all!
>> 
>> Dave.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: christopher hallsworth
>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 7:27 AM
>> To: Viphone
>> Subject: Re: Suppress iOS 10 update message
>> 
>> No there is not. You will just have to deal with it until you are ready to
>> upgrade. Better still, upgrade to rid the nag messages forever.
>>> On 29 Sep 2016, at 21:12, Marshall Scott  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Is there a way to suppress the nag message about upgrading to iOS 10?
>>> I'm not ready to upgrade yet and I'm getting tired and annoyed with the
>>> message.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marshall
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Re: Perhaps cautionary tale about Gazelle

[Rajmund]

Hi, the serial number or IMEI should be visible. Hopefully you know some digits 
of your old phone's number, to then be able to compare.



Sent from a Braille Sense 

- Original Message -
From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 1, 2016 5:04 pm
Subject: Re: Perhaps cautionary tale about Gazelle

>
>
> Reject!  trying to get it for nothing.  I hate that kind of ripoff.  Bare in 
> mind, they might try to charge you for returning it, 
> they might not send you yours back, but a broken one.
> 
> The choice is yours.  But one I don't envy.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kathy Brandt" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 12:53 PM
> Subject: Perhaps cautionary tale about Gazelle
> 
> 
> They said they were prepared to offer me $110 +5% for Amazon gift card option 
> from my iPhone 5s. When I excepted the offer they sent 
> me a nice box, in which I sent the phone, after removing from find my iPhone. 
> Since using voice over, felt uncomfortable completely 
> erasing the phone because of how I wouldn't know for sure when I had powered 
> it off.
> 
> Yesterday they sent me an email saying that the device was broken, wouldn't 
> power on, and offering me $20, which I can except or 
> reject  by October 5. The device was working when I shut it down. I am sure 
> that the screen curtain was off. I didn't think about 
> adjusting the brightness, which I had at zero. I did an online chat with 
> them, where I explained these things, and they said they 
> would put it through reinspection and get back to me next week. Interesting 
> how on their website they don't have a phone number, but 
> I found one on Google, which I will have to see if it works. So, just 
> wondered if any of you had experiences with gazelle? Had 
> gotten a Nother phone from AT, which was prepared to offer 65, so I had 
> tried gazelle thinking I would do better.??
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Listening to Classical Music with Bluetooth

[kelby carlson]

All,

Are there any good bluetooth speakers that will produce good sound
quality when listening to classical music without distortion at a
higher volume? Right now I use a Soundbrick Plus which is fairly good
for most kinds of music but terrible for symphonies/choral music.

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Re: Perhaps cautionary tale about Gazelle

[gs]

Their instructions recommend resetting the phone. This is perfectly possible 
with VO and should have been done else your data is still on the phone. You can 
determine if the phone is powered on by using the mute switch and if it 
vibrates, it's on. Also, if you triple click home after the reset, VO will 
activate.

Even if you did mistakenly leave the phone powered on and put it in the box, 
the worst that could happen is the battery would go flat.

I have sold two phones to them and never had a problem. I'm sure experiences 
may vary.

On Oct 1, 2016, at 7:53 AM, Kathy Brandt  wrote:

They said they were prepared to offer me $110 +5% for Amazon gift card option 
from my iPhone 5s. When I excepted the offer they sent me a nice box, in which 
I sent the phone, after removing from find my iPhone. Since using voice over, 
felt uncomfortable completely erasing the phone because of how I wouldn't know 
for sure when I had powered it off.

Yesterday they sent me an email saying that the device was broken, wouldn't 
power on, and offering me $20, which I can except or reject  by October 5. The 
device was working when I shut it down. I am sure that the screen curtain was 
off. I didn't think about adjusting the brightness, which I had at zero. I did 
an online chat with them, where I explained these things, and they said they 
would put it through reinspection and get back to me next week. Interesting how 
on their website they don't have a phone number, but I found one on Google, 
which I will have to see if it works. So, just wondered if any of you had 
experiences with gazelle? Had gotten a Nother phone from AT, which was 
prepared to offer 65, so I had tried gazelle thinking I would do better.

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Re: Disabling iCloud on the phone I am going to get rid of

[Harry Bell]

Imore has this article: http://m.imore.com/how-deactivate-find-my-iphone


> On 1 Oct 2016, at 18:34, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> Well, the description for reset all in settings still says erase all content 
> and settings so I have to believe this will remove any iCloud and Apple I'd 
> settings as well. Who told you that was no longer the case under iOS 10 since 
> it seems very unlikely that Apple would remove the ability to reset an I 
> device completely for those selling or trading them. 
> 
> Good luck and enjoy your iPhone 7 Plus. 
> 
> Alan Lemly 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2016, at 11:44 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Joseph,
>> Somebody told me that with iOS 10, this is no longer true. Do you know 
>> anything about that?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mary, if you going to the park where you go to reset all your settings and 
>>> erase all content, this will erase the iPhone. From iCloud.
>>> Joseph Hudson 
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 On Sep 30, 2016, at 11:33 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 I have an iPhone 7 Plus, and I am going to be getting rid of my 6S. I know 
 I have to scrub everything off of the phone, but I also want to disconnect 
 it from iTunes and iCloud etc. I went to iCloud.com and found out all 
 about how to set up the device, but nothing about disabling or 
 disconnecting it. So how do you do that? I know I can go into my Mac, or 
 at least I used to be able to do that, and disable it from iTunes in 
 there, so that it's no longer able to see or purchase. But what about 
 iCloud?
 Mary
 
 
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Re: Perhaps cautionary tale about Gazelle

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Reject!  trying to get it for nothing.  I hate that kind of ripoff.  Bare in 
mind, they might try to charge you for returning it, 
they might not send you yours back, but a broken one.

The choice is yours.  But one I don't envy.
- Original Message - 
From: "Kathy Brandt" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 12:53 PM
Subject: Perhaps cautionary tale about Gazelle


They said they were prepared to offer me $110 +5% for Amazon gift card option 
from my iPhone 5s. When I excepted the offer they sent 
me a nice box, in which I sent the phone, after removing from find my iPhone. 
Since using voice over, felt uncomfortable completely 
erasing the phone because of how I wouldn't know for sure when I had powered it 
off.

Yesterday they sent me an email saying that the device was broken, wouldn't 
power on, and offering me $20, which I can except or 
reject  by October 5. The device was working when I shut it down. I am sure 
that the screen curtain was off. I didn't think about 
adjusting the brightness, which I had at zero. I did an online chat with them, 
where I explained these things, and they said they 
would put it through reinspection and get back to me next week. Interesting how 
on their website they don't have a phone number, but 
I found one on Google, which I will have to see if it works. So, just wondered 
if any of you had experiences with gazelle? Had 
gotten a Nother phone from AT, which was prepared to offer 65, so I had tried 
gazelle thinking I would do better.

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Re: Perhaps cautionary tale about Gazelle

[pdllogan77 - GMail]

I have used them in the past and the offer they made was exactly what I 
received.  I have also used Next Worth and had the same experience with 
them.


-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Perhaps cautionary tale about Gazelle

Hi,
I used them years ago and got a message that they listed my phone as in good
condition rather than like new. I wrote back saying I had documentation to
prove other wise but also checked the box to accept their lower amount as it
was either that or they sent phone back for choices and I got the original
estimate they quoted me.  Now that I'm on the trade up plan from my carrier
I've not the need to deal with them anymore.
If you don't like their offer you can always get your device back.
Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Kathy Brandt

Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 7:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Perhaps cautionary tale about Gazelle

They said they were prepared to offer me $110 +5% for Amazon gift card
option from my iPhone 5s. When I excepted the offer they sent me a nice box,
in which I sent the phone, after removing from find my iPhone. Since using
voice over, felt uncomfortable completely erasing the phone because of how I
wouldn't know for sure when I had powered it off.

Yesterday they sent me an email saying that the device was broken, wouldn't
power on, and offering me $20, which I can except or reject  by October 5.
The device was working when I shut it down. I am sure that the screen
curtain was off. I didn't think about adjusting the brightness, which I had
at zero. I did an online chat with them, where I explained these things, and
they said they would put it through reinspection and get back to me next
week. Interesting how on their website they don't have a phone number, but I
found one on Google, which I will have to see if it works. So, just wondered
if any of you had experiences with gazelle? Had gotten a Nother phone from
AT, which was prepared to offer 65, so I had tried gazelle thinking I
would do better.

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Re: Disabling iCloud on the phone I am going to get rid of

[Alan Lemly]

Well, the description for reset all in settings still says erase all content 
and settings so I have to believe this will remove any iCloud and Apple I'd 
settings as well. Who told you that was no longer the case under iOS 10 since 
it seems very unlikely that Apple would remove the ability to reset an I device 
completely for those selling or trading them. 

Good luck and enjoy your iPhone 7 Plus. 

Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 30, 2016, at 11:44 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> Hi Joseph,
> Somebody told me that with iOS 10, this is no longer true. Do you know 
> anything about that?
> Mary
> 
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Mary, if you going to the park where you go to reset all your settings and 
>> erase all content, this will erase the iPhone. From iCloud.
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>>> I have an iPhone 7 Plus, and I am going to be getting rid of my 6S. I know 
>>> I have to scrub everything off of the phone, but I also want to disconnect 
>>> it from iTunes and iCloud etc. I went to iCloud.com and found out all about 
>>> how to set up the device, but nothing about disabling or disconnecting it. 
>>> So how do you do that? I know I can go into my Mac, or at least I used to 
>>> be able to do that, and disable it from iTunes in there, so that it's no 
>>> longer able to see or purchase. But what about iCloud?
>>> Mary
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Re: Microsoft foldable universal bluetooth keyboard

[Jennie Facer]

Hi,

I love this keyboard. It took me a little bit to get used to, I won't lie. It's 
hard to describe how they feel when depressed, but I love it now. The battery 
really does last a long time.  Sorry I can't be any more help.

Jenn

Jenn and Kumi

> On Sep 30, 2016, at 1:36 PM, 'Bud Kennedy' via VIPhone 
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> I am wondering if anybody is using the subject keyboard.  If so, I would like 
> to know how the keys feel when they are depressed and how long the battery 
> lasts.  The description on Amazon. Says it should last about three months per 
> charge but that depends on it's usage.  I would be interested in the 
> perceptions of the people who actually use the device.  Thanks in advance.
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Re: Text messaging, getting to the newest message

[Jennie Facer]

Hi,

Have you tried doing a four-finger single tap at the top of the screen? You 
should land on the edit button. Now flick right a couple of times, and then you 
should be on your newest one.

Jenn

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> On Oct 1, 2016, at 8:15 AM, John J. Fioravanti, Jr.  
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> Hi: I find on occasions, when I go into my messages  old messages are 
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Re: VO and mail app ios 10

[Harry Bell]

Thanks, Kimberly, I'll report the bug to Apple too then! Harry

> On 1 Oct 2016, at 16:51, Kimberly  wrote:
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> Yes. VO behavior in the mail is what's kept me from updating the iOS on my 
> main device. 
> 
> The bug you describe, as well as the one where the two finger flick up does 
> not start at the beginning of the message are the two worst bugs in the mail 
> app in my opinion. 
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> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
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>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 7:44 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
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>> Since installing ios ten on my iPhone 5s, when VoiceOver opens and then 
>> reads out an email in the Mail app and I then delete it, a strange thing 
>> happens: after I tap the trash can and confirm to delete the email, my 
>> screen moves immediately to the next message (I do not have thread view 
>> turned on), but VoiceOver insists on now reading out the subject line of the 
>> old message which is being depleted. VoiceOver then immediately moved on to 
>> read out the body of the next email without reading out the subject of the 
>> email. I'm sure it did not behave like this in ios 9! Anyone else getting 
>> this? Thanks. Harry
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Re: Need Some Navigan Help

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Jed,

I’m just getting to grips with the new look of Navigon.
In the Map Manager, no maps are downloaded automatically. You have to 
double-tap with one finger on each map that you want, then go to the bottom of 
the list and double-tap on Accept Changes or whatever it says. The selected 
maps will then start downloading, and beside each will be the amount already 
downloaded followed by a slash and the full size of the map. Clicking on the 
Open button must do something visual because all I find is a Close button.
I had to uninstall and reinstall Navigon to make the Map Manager do its job.

Cheers,

Anne




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> Hey guys,
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> OK, i am a little confused with navigan.  I ahven't used it in a while. So 
> when i go to map manager, i see an edit button, and it says files requred, 
> 220 megs.
> Then i start flicking through the states and it says for example Alaska, 63 
> megabites. Does this mean the map is ready to use?
> Then i get a ways down the list,and it says Arkensaw 0 kilobites /31 
> megabites, waiting. then i flick over and it says open button.  Can you guys 
> clarify what is going on, what does the open button mean?
> I am assuming that every time you launch the program, it's attempting to 
> download all maps?
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Re: Advice for those with the new iPhone 7 or 7 Plus

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

Well, Wayne, I'm really glad you got that phone replaced. Maybe, as 
yours got water damaged, they will look again to see just how well the 7 
really will stand up to that sort of damage.


Now, no taking your phone to the bathroom in future! It will wait for 
you outside :)



Carol P - Sent from my computer that isn't allowed in the bathroom!



On 29/09/2016 05:31, Wayne Merritt wrote:

Greetings. I know it is a generic subject, but this is a cautionary
tale for those that have the new iPhone 7 or 7 Plus phones. If you
have any hesitation of your phone not working as expected, don't wait
a long time or think that the problem will go away or will fix itself,
before you take your device back to an Apple Store. In my own case, I
accidentally dropped my new 7 in a bathtub with about 4 inches of
water. I pulled the phone out, dried it off, but noticed that the
speaker did not seem as loud. I took my phone to the Apple Store and
had a technician look at it. He did several tests with the speaker and
the microphone, and he did find that a mike was not working as
expected. Then, no questions asked, he swapped my ten day old phone
out with a brand new one of the same color and gig size as my last
one. I took the new one home and was able to restore from my latest
ICloud backup, which happened to be that afternoon. I've heard on the
Macbreak Weekly podcast that the Apple Stores have a certain number of
phones available to swap out in these cases, and they will do the
swapping no questions asked if they can verify the problem. The deal
is you have to take your phone inwithin the first two weeks or so
after you get it. IN my case, the phone was advertised as being water
resistant, and a mike evidently had some water damage after the
phone's swim in the tub. However, if you hear hissing or other strange
noises from your new phone, then it is worth taking a trip to the
Apple Store.

Kind regards,
Wayne



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Text messaging, getting to the newest message

[John J. Fioravanti, Jr.]

Hi: I find on occasions, when I go into my messages  old messages are
appearing and to get to the newest ones, I have to flick through the screen.
Is there a keystroke to get to the most recent message without going through
that? Thanks. 

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Re: VO and mail app ios 10

[Kimberly]

Yes. VO behavior in the mail is what's kept me from updating the iOS on my main 
device. 

The bug you describe, as well as the one where the two finger flick up does not 
start at the beginning of the message are the two worst bugs in the mail app in 
my opinion. 

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

> On Oct 1, 2016, at 7:44 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
> 
> Since installing ios ten on my iPhone 5s, when VoiceOver opens and then reads 
> out an email in the Mail app and I then delete it, a strange thing happens: 
> after I tap the trash can and confirm to delete the email, my screen moves 
> immediately to the next message (I do not have thread view turned on), but 
> VoiceOver insists on now reading out the subject line of the old message 
> which is being depleted. VoiceOver then immediately moved on to read out the 
> body of the next email without reading out the subject of the email. I'm sure 
> it did not behave like this in ios 9! Anyone else getting this? Thanks. Harry
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Re: accounting apps

[Chris Chaffin]

I do not know how good it works with a braille display, but for myself, I just 
use a excel spreadsheet.  This way I can customize it the way I want it.

Chris


> On Sep 30, 2016, at 10:51 PM, Richard Turner  
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> I am needing to know if there is a good, VoiceOver accessible accounting app 
> that also works well with a bluetooth braille display.
> We have a client needing to keep track of a few accounts, expenses, income, 
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> Thanks,
> Richard
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Re: Perhaps cautionary tale about Gazelle

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
I used them years ago and got a message that they listed my phone as in good 
condition rather than like new. I wrote back saying I had documentation to 
prove other wise but also checked the box to accept their lower amount as it 
was either that or they sent phone back for choices and I got the original 
estimate they quoted me.  Now that I'm on the trade up plan from my carrier 
I've not the need to deal with them anymore.

If you don't like their offer you can always get your device back.
Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Kathy Brandt

Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 7:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Perhaps cautionary tale about Gazelle

They said they were prepared to offer me $110 +5% for Amazon gift card 
option from my iPhone 5s. When I excepted the offer they sent me a nice box, 
in which I sent the phone, after removing from find my iPhone. Since using 
voice over, felt uncomfortable completely erasing the phone because of how I 
wouldn't know for sure when I had powered it off.


Yesterday they sent me an email saying that the device was broken, wouldn't 
power on, and offering me $20, which I can except or reject  by October 5. 
The device was working when I shut it down. I am sure that the screen 
curtain was off. I didn't think about adjusting the brightness, which I had 
at zero. I did an online chat with them, where I explained these things, and 
they said they would put it through reinspection and get back to me next 
week. Interesting how on their website they don't have a phone number, but I 
found one on Google, which I will have to see if it works. So, just wondered 
if any of you had experiences with gazelle? Had gotten a Nother phone from 
AT, which was prepared to offer 65, so I had tried gazelle thinking I 
would do better.


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RE: Text messaging app with IOS 10 being visual

[John J. Fioravanti, Jr.]

Thanks very much.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gordon
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 8:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Text messaging app with IOS 10 being visual

 

The only thing different with the text messaging app is that the send button is 
a bit tricky to find some times. The best way to find it is to slide right 
while in the text box and you should see it. Some times if you put your finger 
in the right place you'll get it pretty quick.

 

On 10/1/2016 7:08 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:

I suggest that the “new features” may well be considered quite visual, but I 
was readily able to send an iMessage to myself late last night (after 
installing iOS 10.0.2) as prior to the new iOS. 

 

I am not willing to give up on incorporating those new features as it seems to 
me that Apple engineers took care to make them accessible (much like the 
Emogies), but I imagine those of us that are totally blind will need some 
directions as how to use those features.




- Bill & Leader Dog Holland
- "The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure 
they are going to have some pretty  annoying virtues."
- Elizabeth Taylor, 20th Century Screen Actress, (1932-2011)--

 

On Oct 1, 2016, at 6:18 AM, John J. Fioravanti, Jr.  wrote:

 

Hi: I'm about to install IOS 10 and have been told that the message app is very 
visual in this new version. Is it easily accessible to us?

Thank you. 

 

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Re: Text messaging app with IOS 10 being visual

[Gordon]

The only thing different with the text messaging app is that the send 
button is a bit tricky to find some times. The best way to find it is to 
slide right while in the text box and you should see it. Some times if 
you put your finger in the right place you'll get it pretty quick.



On 10/1/2016 7:08 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:
I suggest that the “new features” may well be considered quite visual, 
but I was readily able to send an iMessage to myself late last night 
(after installing iOS 10.0.2) as prior to the new iOS.


I am not willing to give up on incorporating those new features as it 
seems to me that Apple engineers took care to make them accessible 
(much like the Emogies), but I imagine those of us that are totally 
blind will need some directions as how to use those features.




- Bill & Leader Dog Holland
- "The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty 
sure they are going to have some pretty  annoying virtues."

- Elizabeth Taylor, 20th Century Screen Actress, (1932-2011)--

On Oct 1, 2016, at 6:18 AM, John J. Fioravanti, Jr. 
> wrote:


Hi: I'm about to install IOS 10 and have been told that the message 
app is very visual in this new version. Is it easily accessible to us?

Thank you.

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Re: Text messaging app with IOS 10 being visual

[Bill Gallik]

I suggest that the “new features” may well be considered quite visual, but I 
was readily able to send an iMessage to myself late last night (after 
installing iOS 10.0.2) as prior to the new iOS.

I am not willing to give up on incorporating those new features as it seems to 
me that Apple engineers took care to make them accessible (much like the 
Emogies), but I imagine those of us that are totally blind will need some 
directions as how to use those features.



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they are going to have some pretty  annoying virtues."
- Elizabeth Taylor, 20th Century Screen Actress, (1932-2011)--

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> Thank you.
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RE: accounting apps

[Tom Rash]

I still use one called Balance.  Unfortunately it is not on the app store any 
longer.  

 

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Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 7:51 PM
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Subject: accounting apps

 

I am needing to know if there is a good, VoiceOver accessible accounting app 
that also works well with a bluetooth braille display.
We have a client needing to keep track of a few accounts, expenses, income, etc.
Thanks,
Richard

 

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Perhaps cautionary tale about Gazelle

[Kathy Brandt]

They said they were prepared to offer me $110 +5% for Amazon gift card option 
from my iPhone 5s. When I excepted the offer they sent me a nice box, in which 
I sent the phone, after removing from find my iPhone. Since using voice over, 
felt uncomfortable completely erasing the phone because of how I wouldn't know 
for sure when I had powered it off.

Yesterday they sent me an email saying that the device was broken, wouldn't 
power on, and offering me $20, which I can except or reject  by October 5. The 
device was working when I shut it down. I am sure that the screen curtain was 
off. I didn't think about adjusting the brightness, which I had at zero. I did 
an online chat with them, where I explained these things, and they said they 
would put it through reinspection and get back to me next week. Interesting how 
on their website they don't have a phone number, but I found one on Google, 
which I will have to see if it works. So, just wondered if any of you had 
experiences with gazelle? Had gotten a Nother phone from AT, which was 
prepared to offer 65, so I had tried gazelle thinking I would do better.

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VO and mail app ios 10

[Harry Bell]

Since installing ios ten on my iPhone 5s, when VoiceOver opens and then reads 
out an email in the Mail app and I then delete it, a strange thing happens: 
after I tap the trash can and confirm to delete the email, my screen moves 
immediately to the next message (I do not have thread view turned on), but 
VoiceOver insists on now reading out the subject line of the old message which 
is being depleted. VoiceOver then immediately moved on to read out the body of 
the next email without reading out the subject of the email. I'm sure it did 
not behave like this in ios 9! Anyone else getting this? Thanks. Harry

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Text messaging app with IOS 10 being visual

[John J. Fioravanti, Jr.]

Hi: I'm about to install IOS 10 and have been told that the message app is
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RE: New Sams Club app

[Jeremy Gilley]

So, I found this to be very interesting.

What is preventing someone to scan a few items, and slip smaller items into
their cart with out scanning?

They don't have to see a casheer to verify all items have been paid for?

I don't think the person at the door looks at all the items in the cart and
what was paid for that closely do they?

This just feels like an open door to someone getting away without paying for
everything if they can get away with it.

Anyways, not bashing, just some thoughts that came to mind.

 

  _  

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Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:51 PM
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Subject: New Sams Club app

 

For Sams Club members there is a new app called Scanb to go. It will allow
you to scan your items as you place them in your cart. It will keep a
running total and when you are done you can pay with your phone and show the
receipt on your phone to the person at the door, thus by-passing the
cashier. It is accessible but unfortunately knowing where they place the bar
codes isn't.

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Re: New Voice Dream Reader Update Released Today

[Richard Turner]

Note, Winston said nothing about iCloud in the What's New for version 4.0.5. 
Here is the What's New for 4.0.5:
What's New

Version 4.0.5

Updated for iOS 10.

Minor bug fixes and enhancements.

Great news! iOS 10 comes with many free, high quality TTS voices, including 
Siri voices. Go to iOS Settings, General, Accessibility, Speech, and Voices. 
Select the language you want to use, and you'll see all the available voices. 
The enhanced version of a voice is higher in audio quality, but note that it 
uses a lot more storage. After download is complete, come back to Voice Dream 
Reader. Go to the voice selection screen and tap on the Refresh button at the 
bottom. Newly downloaded iOS voices will be available for use.


Richard


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- Satsuki Shibuya


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On Sep 30, 2016, at 9:28 PM, Alan Lemly 
> wrote:

Version 4.0.5 of Voice Dream Reader was released today. This update is for iOS 
10 and hopefully corrects some of the problems some have experienced with the 
app with iCloud and folders.

Alan Lemly

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Re: MLB at bat

[Richard Turner]

note, Winston said nothing about iCloud in the What's New section. Here is the 
What's New for version 4.0.5:
What's New

Version 4.0.5

Updated for iOS 10.

Minor bug fixes and enhancements.

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uses a lot more storage. After download is complete, come back to Voice Dream 
Reader. Go to the voice selection screen and tap on the Refresh button at the 
bottom. Newly downloaded iOS voices will be available for use.



"By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
- Satsuki Shibuya


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On Oct 1, 2016, at 1:57 AM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:


Free Game of the Day means you can watch the TV broadcast without having the TV 
subscription.
HTH,
Richard


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What is meant when a game is labled "free game"?***
Colorado Blind Bowling Association
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Re: MLB at bat

[Richard Turner]

Free Game of the Day means you can watch the TV broadcast without having the TV 
subscription.
HTH,
Richard


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What is meant when a game is labled "free game"?***
Colorado Blind Bowling Association
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RE: Question about the kindle app

[denise colley]

I see the Table of Contents and the individual books, but I don’t see how to 
get into them.  When I double tap it then says books expanded navigation, but I 
can’t see what I’m supposed to do.

 

Denise who is very clueless 

 

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englishride...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 7:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the kindle app

 

Denise, when you open the book, do a single-finger double-tap, and you'll be in 
the menu. After that, there should be a option called go to. If you click on 
that, there should be a table of contents item. These directions may not be 
totally accurate—I'm writing off the top of my head here—and appologize if you 
get stuck.

 

 

Thanks,

Ari


On Sep 29, 2016, at 6:43 PM, denise colley  wrote:

I just purchased the New American Standard Bible ebook and downloaded it into 
my kindle library in the kindle app on my iphone.  However, now I can’t figure 
out how to navigate from book to book and chapter to chapter.  If anyone else 
has done this and can help me it would be greatly appreciated.  You can email 
me off list at dmc0...@comcast.net.

 

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re: [blind-philly-comp] Problem With Enhanced Siri Voices No LongerAvailable to VoiceOver After Restoring an iPhone 6S

[rajmund]

Hi David, I've seen this very same issue.  And while I don't have 
a solution, I have guesses, from one of which always worked.  
Would you be interested?


Sent from a BrailleNote

- Original Message -
From: David Goldfield 

Facetime

['Simon w' via VIPhone]

Hi, how does FaceTime work?

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Re: Some Questions on the maps app

[Jed Barton]

ah, perhaps i should just use maps then, probably better off.

On 9/30/2016 9:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I think Navigon has seen it's days with respect to a solution for the blind 
unless you require an app where maps are downloaded to your device. I think I 
last used it in 2011 or 2012. Apple Maps is very accessible, I can use SIRI to 
start a route or ask where I am and if I turn on Tracking with Headings it 
announces cross streets quite well also. Then there is also Google Maps which 
some prefer and which is also very accessible and free.
Both apps tie into transit which I don't think Navigan does.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Hey guys,

Do a lot of you use the maps app?  How do you find it in comparison to 
something like Navigan?
I figured out how to start a route, but how do you get out of it and go back to 
the main maps screen?  It seems like you have to just close the app, and 
re-launch  Any ideas?

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