Re: Apple Delays AirPods, October Launch No Longer Happening

[Mary Otten]

 it is disappointing, but better to hold on the release and not release a 
loser. I am not really too interested in purchasing these. I don't like 
earbuds. But I know lots of people are interested.
Mary


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> On Oct 26, 2016, at 8:33 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the article, Mary, I just Googled this a few days ago and there 
> was nothing at the time. I for one really look forward to these and I’m a bit 
> disappointed because I was hoping they would hit the shelves in the next few 
> days while I am still in Calgary and near an Apple Store. Of course I for 
> once applaud Apple on deciding to delay the launch if there are still issues 
> to be resolved, better this way than to release the product half baked so to 
> speak. Probably even more disappointing for people who bought the iPhone 7 or 
> 7 Plus and who are really looking forward t6o an excellent bluetooth 
> earpiece/headset.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 1:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; 
> mac4thebl...@freelists.org
> Subject: Apple Delays AirPods, October Launch No Longer Happening
>  
> Apple Delays AirPods, October Launch No Longer Happening
> MacRumors: Mac News and Rumors  /  Juli Clover
> 
> When Apple debuted its AirPods in September, the company said the wireless 
> earbuds would launch in late October. Now that it's late October, people have 
> been wondering if a release is imminent, but as it turns out, the AirPods are 
> delayed. 
> 
> Apple today told TechCrunch that it needs "a little more time" before the 
> AirPods are ready for a public release, without specifying the reason behind 
> the delay. 
> 
> 
> "The early response to AirPods has been incredible. We don't believe in 
> shipping a product before it's ready, and we need a little more time before 
> AirPods are ready for our customers," an Apple spokesperson said to 
> TechCrunch.
> Apple did not provide TechCrunch with updated launch information, so it is no 
> longer clear when the AirPods will be available for purchase. 
> 
> AirPods are Apple's premium headphone solution for the iPhone 7 and the 
> iPhone 7 Plus, which do not include a headphone jack. AirPods, powered by 
> Bluetooth and an Apple-designed W1 chip, are entirely wireless with no cords 
> between them.
> 
> 
> They include advanced features like infrared sensors to detect when they're 
> in the ear, beam forming microphones to reduce external noise, and 
> accelerometers to respond to touch gestures. 
> 
> AirPods have been in the hands of reviewers since September and have garnered 
> largely positive reviews for the fit, the features, the simple setup, and the 
> easy recharging.
> 
> Tag: AirPods
> 
> Discuss this article in our forums
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Original Article: 
> http://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/26/apple-delays-airpods-launch/
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Re: Two factor authentication issues?

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
Wow in iOS 10.0.2 I think it was at the time no such option was presented 
during phone setup at all; nor did the lovely Apple rep who guided me 
through my very rare spell of panic indicate that such could be used 
anymore.  To further confuse matters I thought there were two variations of 
Apple's tfa and the older form made use of such a key but it was my 
understanding that had you switched to the newer incarnation therein such 
was gone.  If I'm wrong I'm sure someone will correct.
Either way it can be quite confusing and sadly it's why many just don't 
bother with it. I'll probably turn it on as soon as my second iDevice 
arrives hopefully next week.

Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 11:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Two factor authentication issues?

I used my recovery key just a couple of weeks ago and the option was there 
for me.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Robin Frost

Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 11:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Two factor authentication issues?

Hi,
the only time I encountered an issue with this was recently when upgrading 
from one iPhone to another the system texted the code to my number but since 
my phone wasn't fully up and running and operational I couldn’t get it to 
sign into iCloud properly. So I had to set up phone as new, skipping iCloud 
sign in go to apple ID and turn off TFA and then restore phone from cloud 
after the fact. their system used to have a recovery key you could use for 
times when you're off line but they've taken that away so much as it pains 
me for the moment I have it turned off.  If one has more than one Apple 
device you shouldn't necessarily encounter this but for me it made for some 
heart racy kind of moments so for now it's off but usually it's my practice 
to use it wherever and whenever I can but I admit sometimes it causes the 
user more stress than those it's trying to deter from evil doing.

Robin


-Original Message-
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 1:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Two factor authentication issues?

I'm not worried about getting the code and entering it, although I don't 
have any vision. When I am worried about our glitches such that the code 
doesn't come or whatever, essentially making your two factor authentication 
unusable and locking you out on your new device. There have been some talk 
about some major problems, not specified, unless I didn't see the follow up 
message, with this system. So I was wondering what they were.

That would be a problem.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 26, 2016, at 10:14 AM, Rose Combs  wrote:

I think any time you use a device and need to enter your password you
get a text with a code.  Since I never do well with these, reading
numbers and getting back to enter them, forgetting them and then time
out I have opted not to use 2-factor anything unless I am given
absolutely no choice!  I know it is supposed to be more secure, but
for me it has been distressing because I generally can't get it done fast 
enough to make it count.

Others may love it, probably those with some vision more than those
without I suspect.


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 8:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; mac4thebl...@freelists.org
Subject: Two factor authentication issues?

When I updated my iPad mini two recently, I went ahead and enabled two
factor authentication. Subsequently, Apple sent me a notification that
included a link, which, if I activated, will let me undo the changes I
made. This link will go away as of sometime next week. Therefore, I am
interested in the details of the problems that arise with two factor
authentication. I gave them my mobile phone number where they could
send the six digit code that will be needed when and if I get a new
Apple device where I log in with my Apple ID. I certainly don't want
some unsolvable problem happening down the road. So what are the
issues? Is it something that happens when you're trying to enable two
factor authentication? In that case, mine is already done, so no
problem. If it is a problem that happens when you're actually trying
to start using a new device, that's another matter, and would make me
consider revoking my two factor authentication.
Mary


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how to use facebook live on your phone

[Casey]

Hi now I know you go on your Facebook page and then tap the live button 
on your Facebook page.
Then once you are done being live how then do you stop the recording and 
then post it to your Facebook page so everyone can see it?



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RE: IPhone 6 headphone jack problem

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The iPhone speaker volume is independent from the speaker volume of the headset 
jack, did you try to simply press the volume up button several times with the 
speaker connected and something playing? The volume may just have dropped to 0%.


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r...@q.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 7:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IPhone 6 headphone jack problem

Hi,

This evening my IPhone 6, running the previous IOS10, developed a problem.  
When I plug the phone into an external speaker using the headphone jack I get 
no sound.  I have tried with two different cables and three different speakers 
and get no sound.  The jack still works with earbuds.

This issue arose as I was listening to the World Series.  The game was playing 
and then stopped.  When I unplugged from the external speaker I had no problem 
with the IPhone 6 speaker.

Any ideas?

Thanks.
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RE: Two factor authentication issues?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I used my recovery key just a couple of weeks ago and the option was there for 
me.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Robin Frost
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 11:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Two factor authentication issues?

Hi,
the only time I encountered an issue with this was recently when upgrading from 
one iPhone to another the system texted the code to my number but since my 
phone wasn't fully up and running and operational I couldn’t get it to sign 
into iCloud properly. So I had to set up phone as new, skipping iCloud sign in 
go to apple ID and turn off TFA and then restore phone from cloud after the 
fact. their system used to have a recovery key you could use for times when 
you're off line but they've taken that away so much as it pains me for the 
moment I have it turned off.  If one has more than one Apple device you 
shouldn't necessarily encounter this but for me it made for some heart racy 
kind of moments so for now it's off but usually it's my practice to use it 
wherever and whenever I can but I admit sometimes it causes the user more 
stress than those it's trying to deter from evil doing.
Robin


-Original Message-
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 1:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Two factor authentication issues?

I'm not worried about getting the code and entering it, although I don't have 
any vision. When I am worried about our glitches such that the code doesn't 
come or whatever, essentially making your two factor authentication unusable 
and locking you out on your new device. There have been some talk about some 
major problems, not specified, unless I didn't see the follow up message, with 
this system. So I was wondering what they were.
That would be a problem.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 26, 2016, at 10:14 AM, Rose Combs  wrote:
>
> I think any time you use a device and need to enter your password you 
> get a text with a code.  Since I never do well with these, reading 
> numbers and getting back to enter them, forgetting them and then time 
> out I have opted not to use 2-factor anything unless I am given 
> absolutely no choice!  I know it is supposed to be more secure, but 
> for me it has been distressing because I generally can't get it done fast 
> enough to make it count.
> Others may love it, probably those with some vision more than those 
> without I suspect.
>
>
> Rose Combs
> roseco...@q.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 8:57 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; mac4thebl...@freelists.org
> Subject: Two factor authentication issues?
>
> When I updated my iPad mini two recently, I went ahead and enabled two 
> factor authentication. Subsequently, Apple sent me a notification that 
> included a link, which, if I activated, will let me undo the changes I 
> made. This link will go away as of sometime next week. Therefore, I am 
> interested in the details of the problems that arise with two factor 
> authentication. I gave them my mobile phone number where they could 
> send the six digit code that will be needed when and if I get a new 
> Apple device where I log in with my Apple ID. I certainly don't want 
> some unsolvable problem happening down the road. So what are the 
> issues? Is it something that happens when you're trying to enable two 
> factor authentication? In that case, mine is already done, so no 
> problem. If it is a problem that happens when you're actually trying 
> to start using a new device, that's another matter, and would make me 
> consider revoking my two factor authentication.
> Mary
>
>
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RE: Apple Delays AirPods, October Launch No Longer Happening

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Thanks for the article, Mary, I just Googled this a few days ago and there was 
nothing at the time. I for one really look forward to these and I’m a bit 
disappointed because I was hoping they would hit the shelves in the next few 
days while I am still in Calgary and near an Apple Store. Of course I for once 
applaud Apple on deciding to delay the launch if there are still issues to be 
resolved, better this way than to release the product half baked so to speak. 
Probably even more disappointing for people who bought the iPhone 7 or 7 Plus 
and who are really looking forward t6o an excellent bluetooth earpiece/headset.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 1:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; 
mac4thebl...@freelists.org
Subject: Apple Delays AirPods, October Launch No Longer Happening

Apple Delays AirPods, October Launch No Longer Happening
MacRumors: Mac News and Rumors  /  Juli Clover

When Apple debuted its AirPods in September, the company said the wireless 
earbuds would launch in late October. Now that it's late October, people have 
been wondering if a release is imminent, but as it turns out, the AirPods are 
delayed.

Apple today told TechCrunch that it needs "a little more time" before the 
AirPods are ready for a public release, without specifying the reason behind 
the delay.

[airpods-2]
"The early response to AirPods has been incredible. We don't believe in 
shipping a product before it's ready, and we need a little more time before 
AirPods are ready for our customers," an Apple spokesperson said to TechCrunch.
Apple did not provide TechCrunch with updated launch information, so it is no 
longer clear when the AirPods will be available for purchase.

AirPods are Apple's premium headphone solution for the iPhone 
7 and the iPhone 7 Plus, which do 
not include a headphone jack. AirPods, powered by Bluetooth and an 
Apple-designed W1 chip, are entirely wireless with no cords between them.

They include advanced features like infrared sensors to detect when they're in 
the ear, beam forming microphones to reduce external noise, and accelerometers 
to respond to touch gestures.

AirPods have been in the hands of reviewers since 
September
 and have garnered largely positive reviews for the fit, the features, the 
simple setup, and the easy recharging.
Tag: AirPods

Discuss this 
article
 in our forums
[http://feeds.feedburner.com/~ff/MacRumors-Front?d=yIl2AUoC8zA][http://feeds.feedburner.com/~ff/MacRumors-Front?d=6W8y8wAjSf4][http://feeds.feedburner.com/~ff/MacRumors-Front?d=qj6IDK7rITs]


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RE: Accessibility Report - Safari (and other) Edit Fields On Web Pages

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Gordan,

Well done, yes, there is a spelling mistake or two and a couple of places where 
a native english speaker may have expressed it differently. Merv may not know 
that you are not a native english speaker and I think all in all your message 
describes the problem very well and in great detail and Apple Accessibility 
will definitely not have any issue understanding this.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Merv Keck
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 2:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Accessibility Report - Safari (and other) Edit Fields On Web Pages

I respectfully suggest that anyone who chooses to copy your email would run it 
through a spell checker before submitting it to Apple.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gordan Radic
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 5:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Accessibility Report - Safari (and other) Edit Fields On Web Pages


Hi!

Due to recent bug experienced in Safari browser which was confirmed by some 
members here I've composed a message for Apple Accessibility.

I urge everyone on this list to copy the message bellow as new mail and send it 
to Apple. Here it goes:

Address:

accessibil...@apple.com

Subject:

Voice Over Bug In Edit Fields On Web Pages

Beginning of message:

Hello!

Since iOS 10.1 upgrade Voice Over users are experiencing accessibility issues 
while navigating through text entered in edit fields on web pages. It seems 
Voice Over can't read or move by characters from the beginning of text forward 
and it stucks after second character.

When going backwards from the end of the text everything seem to work 
correctly. It is also confirmed this issue occures in Safari for iOS as well as 
Firefox and Chrome browsers.

Steps to reproduce the bug:

1. With Voice Over on open any web page with the edit field;

2. Enter the phrase "today is a beautiful day" in the field;

3. Double tap to get to the beginning of the text entered;

4. Switch the Rotor to the Characters option;

5. Try to flick down for reading forward character by character;

In some cases, depending on web page you're currently browsing you won't hear 
anything while in other cases You won't get further than first twocharacters 
typed. For example, search field on www.amazon.com is 
completely silent while search field on 
www.bookshare.org reads first two characters.

This is a very serious issue for Voice Over users. Browsing the web is 
everybodys daily routine including blind or partially sighted users and fixing 
this in the next iOS 10 update is crucial for Voice Over users to be able to 
use their iDevices completely.

Thanks and take care!

End of message.



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RE: Opinions about glass screen protectors and affect on 3D touch

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I read somewhere that Apple has a little template thingi in their store which 
makes them aline perfectly. Power to you, Georgina for doing it yourself, but I 
would get the store to do it because they usually have people who have done it 
dozens and maybe hundreds of times and are really good at it. I am not saying 
it can't be done by a totally blind person using touch, but if a sighted person 
is a little bit clever with things like that they'll be at an advantage. I was 
fully sighted at one point and while my hand injuries may also have something 
to do with it, I know for sure that there things that are super-easy for a 
sighted person which are a bloody pain in the neck for a blind person.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 2:18 PM
To: VI iPhone List 
Subject: Re: Opinions about glass screen protectors and affect on 3D touch

Hello,

I’ve fitted them myself. I have fitted one to iPad Pro 9.7, 6S Plus and a 7. I 
think using touch is better than attempting to align by sight. It’s about 
confidence.

Regards,

Gena

> On 26 Oct 2016, at 20:58, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Can these glass screen protectors be applied by the blind, or is sighted 
> assistance necessary?
> 
> Thanks, Keith
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Alan Lemly
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 2:52 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Opinions about glass screen protectors and affect on 3D 
> touch
> 
> I have to agree with Mary. A glass screen protector for $7.99 seems a wise 
> insurance for that one time your iPhone is dropped and takes a hit on its 
> screen. Insurance policies and AppleCare+ can be a very good investment too 
> depending on the chance damage might be incurred on the insured item. I 
> realize the iPhone screen is manufactured to be tough but if I can add 
> another layer of toughness for a small cash outlay without affecting the 
> performance of my device, I'm all for it.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 11:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Opinions about glass screen protectors and affect on 3D 
> touch
> 
> I have never had an issue with my screen either. But there is a first time 
> for everything, and these are not very expensive. My husband has had two 
> scream protectors crack. If it weren't for the fact that he had the screen 
> protector, the screen would've cracked. He's not using an iPhone, and he's 
> obviously harder on his phones than I am. But there is a first time for 
> everything. And given the price, I couldn't disagree with you more about the 
> advisability of purchasing a screen protector.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 26, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Shaf Patel  wrote:
>> 
>> There is no reason *to* pay for a screen protector. I've never used 
>> one, never had an issue with my screen.
>> 
>>> On 10/25/2016 8:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>>> Hi Alan,
>>> I have used a glass screen protector on an iPhone 5s, 6S, and now my 7+.
>>> With regard to 3D Touch, I don't see any difference. And frankly, I 
>>> like the way the glass feels as opposed to the film ones. My finger 
>>> seems to slide over the screen more smoothly than it does with the film.
>>> Unfortunately, I don't remember who made the various screen 
>>> protectors I have, but I can tell you that none of them was very 
>>> expensive, like 10 bucks or less. I also have a cheap screen 
>>> protector made out of glass on a Google Nexus six. That doesn't have 
>>> the 3D Touch of course, but the screen protector has worked well. I 
>>> wouldn't worry about it. Find one that has good reviews on Amazon that 
>>> isn't very expensive and go for it.
>>> There is no reason to pay 30 or $35 for a glass screen protector.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Oct 25, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Alan Lemly >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hello List,
 
 
 
 I've only ever used a film screen protector on the two iPhones I've 
 owned. I'm starting to look at accessories for the iPhone 7 which 
 I'm planning to get at the beginning of February and wanted to get 
 opinions from those who have used glass screen protectors on their 
 iPhones.
 
 
 
 I've always considered glass screen protectors to be more than I 
 needed with the care I take with my iPhone and have never been 
 fully convinced that they don't interfere with the touch 
 sensitivity of the iPhone. However, I don't want to make 
 assumptions about such things and would prefer to get 

Re: Update on my Uber Question

[Shaf Patel]

That is actually not Uber's official policy. Some drivers want you to do
that so they can gain another booking fee, most drivers however will
wait for you if you ask, without you having to request another trip. The
latter option was endorsed by an Uber customer service agent.

-Shaf

On 10/27/2016 2:25 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
> 
> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
> 
> Hi guys:
> Just thought I’d give an update. Remember when I asked how to handle Uber and 
> multiple errands? Well tonight, I had an emergency, and got to put that in to 
> play. Here is how it works, according to my driver. If you set a destination, 
> and want to make a bunch of stops between your pickup location and the end 
> destination, that is fine. You can keep the trip going. Now, where it gets 
> tricky is if you want him to wait at your end point, and then resume the trip 
> to another place, he ends the trip, and you immediately request another one 
> while with him, and set a second end destination. He can then pick up the 
> trip and you can keep him. If you do not do this, then he has to pickup the 
> next Uber request. He cannot deny it, and wait for you. So, I hope this helps.
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IPhone 6 headphone jack problem

[rhs]

Hi,

 

This evening my IPhone 6, running the previous IOS10, developed a problem.  
When I plug the phone into an external speaker using the headphone jack I get 
no sound.  I have tried with two different cables and three different speakers 
and get no sound.  The jack still works with earbuds.

 

This issue arose as I was listening to the World Series.  The game was playing 
and then stopped.  When I unplugged from the external speaker I had no problem 
with the IPhone 6 speaker.

 

Any ideas?

 

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Update on my Uber Question

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

Hi guys:
Just thought I’d give an update. Remember when I asked how to handle Uber and 
multiple errands? Well tonight, I had an emergency, and got to put that in to 
play. Here is how it works, according to my driver. If you set a destination, 
and want to make a bunch of stops between your pickup location and the end 
destination, that is fine. You can keep the trip going. Now, where it gets 
tricky is if you want him to wait at your end point, and then resume the trip 
to another place, he ends the trip, and you immediately request another one 
while with him, and set a second end destination. He can then pick up the trip 
and you can keep him. If you do not do this, then he has to pickup the next 
Uber request. He cannot deny it, and wait for you. So, I hope this helps.

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edit field problem in 10.1

[Donald L. Roberts]

I upgraded my iPhone 6 from IOS 10.0 to 10.1 and got the message that 
the software installation was successful. However, when asked to enter 
my password, the letters were not present.  This was also true when I 
was asked for a pass code. I selected the 4 digit pass code, but no 
keyboard was present. Also, although I was told that quick nav was off, 
quick nav came on immediately when I moved my finger around the 
keyboard.  Just so there is no misunderstanding, I am talking about the 
keyboard on the phone, not a blue tooth keyboard.



I subsequently opened messages with the intent of creating and sending a 
text message.  The result was the same. This was also true when I opened 
the uber app and attempted to enter a destination.



I then rebooted the iPhone 6, but the problem was still present.  I have 
never encountered such a problem previously.  Suggestions please!



Don Roberts


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Re: Two factor authentication issues?

[Helga Schreiber]

Hi all! How are you all? This is a great question! So I activated two-factor 
authentication as well! I had it for two weeks. So this is the issue  that I 
encounter. So when I install the IOS 10.1 update, adn ehn I got to icloud adn 
to set it up, it ask me for my password, and then it gave me a message saying 
waiting for approval, yu need to loggign to icloud and approve this iPhone 6S. 
Thsi was giving me a lot of stress since I logging to iCloud  on my Mac, and  
other ios devices, but it did not do anything! It is good but it gives em more 
problems than helping. Me. So the next day, I turn off two-factor 
authentication guys! I wasn't able   approve my iPhone,and I need icloud since. 
I will get aniPhone 7 this week. I really don't know why I could not approve my 
iPhone. So I doubletap on aprove later. So that means my icloud settings was 
not complete and so on. So I end up turning off two-factor authentication.  Do 
you hve any idea wy I could not approve it? I did not know where to go to 
approve it. With this many peopel did not help me ata ll! I look forward in 
hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!

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Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 10

> On Oct 26, 2016, at 5:28 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> I feel more informed about two-factor authentication after reading the Apple 
> Support article found here:
>  
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204915
>  
> I'll post the full text of the article after my signature. To avoid an issue 
> with setting up a new iPhone, I think I'll hold onto my old iPhone to use it 
> as the authorized device until the new one is set up. I also have a home 
> phone number I can provide as a fallback.
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> Two-factor authentication for Apple ID
> 
> Two-factor authentication is an extra layer of security for your Apple ID 
> designed to ensure that you're the only person who can access your account, 
> even if someone knows your password.
> 
> How it works
> 
> With two-factor authentication, your account can only be accessed on devices 
> you trust, like your iPhone, iPad, or Mac. When you want to sign in to a new 
> device for the first time, you'll need to provide two pieces of 
> information—your password and the six-digit verification code that's 
> automatically displayed on your trusted devices. By entering the code, you're 
> verifying that you trust the new device. For example, if you have an iPhone 
> and are signing into your account for the first time on a newly purchased 
> Mac, you'll be prompted to enter your password and the verification code 
> that's automatically displayed on your iPhone. 
> 
> Because your password alone is no longer enough to access your account, 
> two-factor authentication dramatically improves the security of your Apple ID 
> and all the personal information you store with Apple.
> 
> Once signed in, you won’t be asked for a verification code on that device 
> again unless you sign out completely, erase the device, or need to change 
> your password for security reasons. When you sign in on the web, you can 
> choose to trust your browser, so you won’t be asked for a verification code 
> the next time you sign in from that computer.
> 
> Trusted devices
> 
> A trusted device is an iPhone, iPad, iPod touch with iOS 9 and later, or Mac 
> with OS X El Capitan and later that you've already signed in to using 
> two-factor authentication. It’s a device we know is yours and that can be 
> used to verify your identity by displaying a verification code from Apple 
> when you sign in on a different device or browser.
> 
> Trusted phone numbers
> 
> A trusted phone number is a number that can be used to receive verification 
> codes by text or phone call. You must verify at least one trusted phone 
> number to enroll in two-factor authentication. You should also consider 
> verifying other phone numbers you can access, such as a home phone, or a 
> number used by a family member or close friend. You can use these numbers if 
> you temporarily can't access your own devices.
> 
> Verification codes
> 
> A verification code is a temporary code sent to your trusted device or phone 
> number when you sign in to a new device or browser with your Apple ID. You 
> can also get a verification code from Settings on your trusted device.
> 
> A verification code is 

alexa app

[Jim Ruby]

Hi, I received my echo dot and the app worked for the first one just fine but 
for the second echo dot it crashed. The web site is not any better. I'm curious 
what skills are people using as I'm not seeing anything very useful at this 
time, but the app leaves a lot to be desired. Please feel free to share any 
information off list about your tips, tricks or experiences with the amazon app 
and echo devices.

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RE: Two factor authentication issues?

[Louise Johnson]

Hi everyone I also did and I called the Apple accessibility line and I had a 
person help me take this away and I ansered three questions. I now don't have 
to worry about it. Just remember your answers. I will share you did have a few 
different things you could choose from and I am very happy with the help I got. 
I am a slower user and they were very kind and worked with me to get it done.

Louise and princess Kiara 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Lemly
Sent: October 26, 2016 1:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Two factor authentication issues?

Mary,

I hear you and I'm a bit worried about the two-factor authentication as well. I 
also got put on it after upgrading to iOS 10.1 if I understood the Apple email 
I received correctly. It had a link as you mentioned to turn it off but when I 
clicked on it, I got some message about having to change my password so I left 
it alone. I normally handle 2-factor authentication using a text to receive an 
authorization code but if I'm setting up a new iPhone, I'm scratching my head 
as to how this is going to work. Hopefully, it will offer an email option.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 12:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Two factor authentication issues?

I'm not worried about getting the code and entering it, although I don't have 
any vision. When I am worried about our glitches such that the code doesn't 
come or whatever, essentially making your two factor authentication unusable 
and locking you out on your new device. There have been some talk about some 
major problems, not specified, unless I didn't see the follow up message, with 
this system. So I was wondering what they were.
 That would be a problem.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 26, 2016, at 10:14 AM, Rose Combs  wrote:
> 
> I think any time you use a device and need to enter your password you get a 
> text with a code.  Since I never do well with these, reading numbers and 
> getting back to enter them, forgetting them and then time out I have opted 
> not to use 2-factor anything unless I am given absolutely no choice!  I know 
> it is supposed to be more secure, but for me it has been distressing because 
> I generally can't get it done fast enough to make it count.  
> Others may love it, probably those with some vision more than those without I 
> suspect.  
> 
> 
> Rose Combs
> roseco...@q.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 8:57 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; mac4thebl...@freelists.org
> Subject: Two factor authentication issues?
> 
> When I updated my iPad mini two recently, I went ahead and enabled two factor 
> authentication. Subsequently, Apple sent me a notification that included a 
> link, which, if I activated, will let me undo the changes I made. This link 
> will go away as of sometime next week. Therefore, I am interested in the 
> details of the problems that arise with two factor authentication. I gave 
> them my mobile phone number where they could send the six digit code that 
> will be needed when and if I get a new Apple device where I log in with my 
> Apple ID. I certainly don't want some unsolvable problem happening down the 
> road. So what are the issues? Is it something that happens when you're trying 
> to enable two factor authentication? In that case, mine is already done, so 
> no problem. If it is a problem that happens when you're actually trying to 
> start using a new device, that's another matter, and would make me consider 
> revoking my two factor authentication.
> Mary
> 
> 
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RE: Accessibility Report - Safari (and other) Edit Fields On Web Pages

[Merv Keck]

I respectfully suggest that anyone who chooses to copy your email would run it 
through a spell checker before submitting it to Apple.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gordan Radic
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 5:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Accessibility Report - Safari (and other) Edit Fields On Web Pages

 

Hi!

Due to recent bug experienced in Safari browser which was confirmed by some 
members here I've composed a message for Apple Accessibility.

I urge everyone on this list to copy the message bellow as new mail and send it 
to Apple. Here it goes:

Address:

accessibil...@apple.com  

Subject:

Voice Over Bug In Edit Fields On Web Pages

Beginning of message:

Hello!

Since iOS 10.1 upgrade Voice Over users are experiencing accessibility issues 
while navigating through text entered in edit fields on web pages. It seems 
Voice Over can't read or move by characters from the beginning of text forward 
and it stucks after second character.

When going backwards from the end of the text everything seem to work 
correctly. It is also confirmed this issue occures in Safari for iOS as well as 
Firefox and Chrome browsers.

Steps to reproduce the bug:

1. With Voice Over on open any web page with the edit field;

2. Enter the phrase "today is a beautiful day" in the field;

3. Double tap to get to the beginning of the text entered;

4. Switch the Rotor to the Characters option;

5. Try to flick down for reading forward character by character;

In some cases, depending on web page you're currently browsing you won't hear 
anything while in other cases You won't get further than first twocharacters 
typed. For example, search field on www.amazon.com   is 
completely silent while search field on www.bookshare.org 
  reads first two characters.

This is a very serious issue for Voice Over users. Browsing the web is 
everybodys daily routine including blind or partially sighted users and fixing 
this in the next iOS 10 update is crucial for Voice Over users to be able to 
use their iDevices completely.

Thanks and take care!

End of message.

 

 

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Accessibility Report - Safari (and other) Edit Fields On Web Pages

[Gordan Radić]

  
  
Hi!
Due to recent bug experienced in Safari browser which was
  confirmed by some members here I've composed a message for Apple
  Accessibility.
I urge everyone on this list to copy the message bellow as new
  mail and send it to Apple. Here it goes:
Address:
accessibil...@apple.com
Subject:
Voice Over Bug In Edit Fields On Web Pages
Beginning of message:
Hello!
Since iOS 10.1 upgrade Voice Over users are experiencing
  accessibility issues while navigating through text entered in edit
  fields on web pages. It seems Voice Over can't read or move by
  characters from the beginning of text forward and it stucks after
  second character.
When going backwards from the end of the text everything seem to
  work correctly. It is also confirmed this issue occures in Safari
  for iOS as well as Firefox and Chrome browsers.

Steps to reproduce the bug:
1. With Voice Over on open any web page with the edit field;

2. Enter the phrase "today is a beautiful day" in the field;
3. Double tap to get to the beginning of the text entered;
4. Switch the Rotor to the Characters option;
5. Try to flick down for reading forward character by character;
In some cases, depending on web page you're currently browsing
  you won't hear anything while in other cases You won't get further
  than first twocharacters typed. For example, search field on
  www.amazon.com is completely silent while search field on
  www.bookshare.org reads first two characters.

This is a very serious issue for Voice Over users. Browsing the
  web is everybodys daily routine including blind or partially
  sighted users and fixing this in the next iOS 10 update is crucial
  for Voice Over users to be able to use their iDevices completely.
Thanks and take care!
End of message.



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Re: Opinions about glass screen protectors and affect on 3D touch

[Carol Forrester]

We have had them for awhile and they are really good keeps them protected Carol
Sent from my iPhone

> On 26 Oct 2016, at 22:18, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I’ve fitted them myself. I have fitted one to iPad Pro 9.7, 6S Plus and a 7. 
> I think using touch is better than attempting to align by sight. It’s about 
> confidence.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
> 
>> On 26 Oct 2016, at 20:58, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Can these glass screen protectors be applied by the blind, or is sighted 
>> assistance necessary?
>> 
>> Thanks, Keith
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Alan Lemly
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 2:52 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Opinions about glass screen protectors and affect on 3D touch
>> 
>> I have to agree with Mary. A glass screen protector for $7.99 seems a wise 
>> insurance for that one time your iPhone is dropped and takes a hit on its 
>> screen. Insurance policies and AppleCare+ can be a very good investment too 
>> depending on the chance damage might be incurred on the insured item. I 
>> realize the iPhone screen is manufactured to be tough but if I can add 
>> another layer of toughness for a small cash outlay without affecting the 
>> performance of my device, I'm all for it.
>> 
>> Alan Lemly
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 11:17 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Opinions about glass screen protectors and affect on 3D touch
>> 
>> I have never had an issue with my screen either. But there is a first time 
>> for everything, and these are not very expensive. My husband has had two 
>> scream protectors crack. If it weren't for the fact that he had the screen 
>> protector, the screen would've cracked. He's not using an iPhone, and he's 
>> obviously harder on his phones than I am. But there is a first time for 
>> everything. And given the price, I couldn't disagree with you more about the 
>> advisability of purchasing a screen protector.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 26, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Shaf Patel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is no reason *to* pay for a screen protector. I've never used 
>>> one, never had an issue with my screen.
>>> 
 On 10/25/2016 8:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
 Hi Alan,
 I have used a glass screen protector on an iPhone 5s, 6S, and now my 7+.
 With regard to 3D Touch, I don't see any difference. And frankly, I 
 like the way the glass feels as opposed to the film ones. My finger 
 seems to slide over the screen more smoothly than it does with the film.
 Unfortunately, I don't remember who made the various screen 
 protectors I have, but I can tell you that none of them was very 
 expensive, like 10 bucks or less. I also have a cheap screen 
 protector made out of glass on a Google Nexus six. That doesn't have 
 the 3D Touch of course, but the screen protector has worked well. I 
 wouldn't worry about it. Find one that has good reviews on Amazon that 
 isn't very expensive and go for it.
 There is no reason to pay 30 or $35 for a glass screen protector.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 25, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Alan Lemly > wrote:
 
> Hello List,
> 
> 
> 
> I've only ever used a film screen protector on the two iPhones I've 
> owned. I'm starting to look at accessories for the iPhone 7 which 
> I'm planning to get at the beginning of February and wanted to get 
> opinions from those who have used glass screen protectors on their 
> iPhones.
> 
> 
> 
> I've always considered glass screen protectors to be more than I 
> needed with the care I take with my iPhone and have never been fully 
> convinced that they don't interfere with the touch sensitivity of 
> the iPhone. However, I don't want to make assumptions about such 
> things and would prefer to get comments from those on the list who 
> actually use a glass screen protector with their iDevice. I'm 
> particularly interested in the opinions of those who have them with 
> models 6S and higher that have 3D Touch capability and if they have 
> noticed any affect the glass screen protector has on 3D Touch efficacy.
> 
> 
> 
> I see on Amazon a very wide range of prices of glass screen 
> protectors from $6 up and one from Tech21 who makes the case I use 
> which goes for about $35 for the iPhone 7. This is quite a range and 
> I'm having a hard time reconciling the differences which account for such 
> a range.
> I'd love to hear from anyone who has recommendations about a 

Re: Two factor authentication issues?

[Mary Otten]

Well, I do have an iPad, so I'm thinking that the message would come through on 
the iPad even if I was setting up an iPhone. Also, as somebody else noted, I 
tend not to shut off my old phone until the new one is actually set up. So I 
guess the message would come across on the old phone. As long as there isn't a 
problem with receipt of the messages, I guess I'll be OK.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 26, 2016, at 1:58 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> Mary,
> 
> I hear you and I'm a bit worried about the two-factor authentication as well. 
> I also got put on it after upgrading to iOS 10.1 if I understood the Apple 
> email I received correctly. It had a link as you mentioned to turn it off but 
> when I clicked on it, I got some message about having to change my password 
> so I left it alone. I normally handle 2-factor authentication using a text to 
> receive an authorization code but if I'm setting up a new iPhone, I'm 
> scratching my head as to how this is going to work. Hopefully, it will offer 
> an email option.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 12:38 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Two factor authentication issues?
> 
> I'm not worried about getting the code and entering it, although I don't have 
> any vision. When I am worried about our glitches such that the code doesn't 
> come or whatever, essentially making your two factor authentication unusable 
> and locking you out on your new device. There have been some talk about some 
> major problems, not specified, unless I didn't see the follow up message, 
> with this system. So I was wondering what they were.
> That would be a problem.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 26, 2016, at 10:14 AM, Rose Combs  wrote:
>> 
>> I think any time you use a device and need to enter your password you get a 
>> text with a code.  Since I never do well with these, reading numbers and 
>> getting back to enter them, forgetting them and then time out I have opted 
>> not to use 2-factor anything unless I am given absolutely no choice!  I know 
>> it is supposed to be more secure, but for me it has been distressing because 
>> I generally can't get it done fast enough to make it count.  
>> Others may love it, probably those with some vision more than those without 
>> I suspect.  
>> 
>> 
>> Rose Combs
>> roseco...@q.com
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 8:57 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; mac4thebl...@freelists.org
>> Subject: Two factor authentication issues?
>> 
>> When I updated my iPad mini two recently, I went ahead and enabled two 
>> factor authentication. Subsequently, Apple sent me a notification that 
>> included a link, which, if I activated, will let me undo the changes I made. 
>> This link will go away as of sometime next week. Therefore, I am interested 
>> in the details of the problems that arise with two factor authentication. I 
>> gave them my mobile phone number where they could send the six digit code 
>> that will be needed when and if I get a new Apple device where I log in with 
>> my Apple ID. I certainly don't want some unsolvable problem happening down 
>> the road. So what are the issues? Is it something that happens when you're 
>> trying to enable two factor authentication? In that case, mine is already 
>> done, so no problem. If it is a problem that happens when you're actually 
>> trying to start using a new device, that's another matter, and would make me 
>> consider revoking my two factor authentication.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Two factor authentication issues?

[Alan Lemly]

I feel more informed about two-factor authentication after reading the Apple 
Support article found here:

 

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204915

 

I'll post the full text of the article after my signature. To avoid an issue 
with setting up a new iPhone, I think I'll hold onto my old iPhone to use it as 
the authorized device until the new one is set up. I also have a home phone 
number I can provide as a fallback.

 

Alan Lemly

 


Two-factor authentication for Apple ID


Two-factor authentication is an extra layer of security for your Apple ID 
designed to ensure that you're the only person who can access your account, 
even if someone knows your password.


How it works


With two-factor authentication, your account can only be accessed on devices 
you trust, like your iPhone, iPad, or Mac. When you want to sign in to a new 
device for the first time, you'll need to provide two pieces of 
information—your password and the six-digit verification code that's 
automatically displayed on your trusted devices. By entering the code, you're 
verifying that you trust the new device. For example, if you have an iPhone and 
are signing into your account for the first time on a newly purchased Mac, 
you'll be prompted to enter your password and the verification code that's 
automatically displayed on your iPhone. 

Because your password alone is no longer enough to access your account, 
two-factor authentication dramatically improves the security of your Apple ID 
and all the personal information you store with Apple.

Once signed in, you won’t be asked for a verification code on that device again 
unless you sign out completely, erase the device, or need to change your 
password for security reasons. When you sign in on the web, you can choose to 
trust your browser, so you won’t be asked for a verification code the next time 
you sign in from that computer.


Trusted devices


A trusted device is an iPhone, iPad, iPod touch with iOS 9 and later, or Mac 
with OS X El Capitan and later that you've already signed in to using 
two-factor authentication. It’s a device we know is yours and that can be used 
to verify your identity by displaying a verification code from Apple when you 
sign in on a different device or browser.


Trusted phone numbers


A trusted phone number is a number that can be used to receive verification 
codes by text or phone call. You must verify at least one trusted phone number 
to enroll in two-factor authentication. You should also consider verifying 
other phone numbers you can access, such as a home phone, or a number used by a 
family member or close friend. You can use these numbers if you temporarily 
can't access your own devices.


Verification codes


A verification code is a temporary code sent to your trusted device or phone 
number when you sign in to a new device or browser with your Apple ID. You can 
also get a verification code from Settings on your trusted device 
 .

A verification code is different from the device passcode 
  you enter to unlock your iPhone, iPad, 
or iPod touch. 

Description: 


Turn on two-factor authentication for your Apple ID


Two-factor authentication is currently available to iCloud users with at least 
one device that's using iOS 9 or OS X El Capitan or later. Learn more 
 .

You can follow the steps below to turn on two-factor authentication.

On your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch with iOS 9 or later:

1.  Go to Settings > iCloud > tap your Apple ID.
2.  Tap Password & Security.
3.  Tap Turn on Two-Factor Authentication.

On your Mac with OS X El Capitan or later:

1.  Go to Apple () menu > System Preferences > iCloud > Account Details.
2.  Click Security.
3.  Click Turn on Two-Factor Authentication.

Description: 


What to remember when you use two-factor authentication


Two-factor authentication significantly improves the security of your Apple ID. 
After you turn it on, signing into your account will require both your password 
and access to your trusted devices or trusted phone number. To keep your 
account as secure as possible and help ensure you never lose access, there are 
a few simple guidelines you should follow: 

*   Remember your Apple ID password.
*   Use a device passcode on all your devices.
*   Keep your trusted phone number(s) up to date.
*   Keep your trusted devices physically secure.

Description: 


Manage your account


You can manage your trusted phone numbers, trusted devices, and other account 
information from your Apple ID account page  .


Keep your trusted phone numbers up to date


To use two-factor authentication, you need at least one trusted phone number on 
file where you can receive verification codes. You can update your trusted 
phone numbers when you follow these steps:

1.  Go to your Apple ID account page.

Re: Opinions about glass screen protectors and affect on 3D touch

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello,

I’ve fitted them myself. I have fitted one to iPad Pro 9.7, 6S Plus and a 7. I 
think using touch is better than attempting to align by sight. It’s about 
confidence.

Regards,

Gena

> On 26 Oct 2016, at 20:58, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Can these glass screen protectors be applied by the blind, or is sighted 
> assistance necessary?
> 
> Thanks, Keith
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Alan Lemly
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 2:52 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Opinions about glass screen protectors and affect on 3D touch
> 
> I have to agree with Mary. A glass screen protector for $7.99 seems a wise 
> insurance for that one time your iPhone is dropped and takes a hit on its 
> screen. Insurance policies and AppleCare+ can be a very good investment too 
> depending on the chance damage might be incurred on the insured item. I 
> realize the iPhone screen is manufactured to be tough but if I can add 
> another layer of toughness for a small cash outlay without affecting the 
> performance of my device, I'm all for it.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 11:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Opinions about glass screen protectors and affect on 3D touch
> 
> I have never had an issue with my screen either. But there is a first time 
> for everything, and these are not very expensive. My husband has had two 
> scream protectors crack. If it weren't for the fact that he had the screen 
> protector, the screen would've cracked. He's not using an iPhone, and he's 
> obviously harder on his phones than I am. But there is a first time for 
> everything. And given the price, I couldn't disagree with you more about the 
> advisability of purchasing a screen protector.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 26, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Shaf Patel  wrote:
>> 
>> There is no reason *to* pay for a screen protector. I've never used 
>> one, never had an issue with my screen.
>> 
>>> On 10/25/2016 8:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>>> Hi Alan,
>>> I have used a glass screen protector on an iPhone 5s, 6S, and now my 7+.
>>> With regard to 3D Touch, I don't see any difference. And frankly, I 
>>> like the way the glass feels as opposed to the film ones. My finger 
>>> seems to slide over the screen more smoothly than it does with the film.
>>> Unfortunately, I don't remember who made the various screen 
>>> protectors I have, but I can tell you that none of them was very 
>>> expensive, like 10 bucks or less. I also have a cheap screen 
>>> protector made out of glass on a Google Nexus six. That doesn't have 
>>> the 3D Touch of course, but the screen protector has worked well. I 
>>> wouldn't worry about it. Find one that has good reviews on Amazon that 
>>> isn't very expensive and go for it.
>>> There is no reason to pay 30 or $35 for a glass screen protector.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Oct 25, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Alan Lemly >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hello List,
 
 
 
 I've only ever used a film screen protector on the two iPhones I've 
 owned. I'm starting to look at accessories for the iPhone 7 which 
 I'm planning to get at the beginning of February and wanted to get 
 opinions from those who have used glass screen protectors on their 
 iPhones.
 
 
 
 I've always considered glass screen protectors to be more than I 
 needed with the care I take with my iPhone and have never been fully 
 convinced that they don't interfere with the touch sensitivity of 
 the iPhone. However, I don't want to make assumptions about such 
 things and would prefer to get comments from those on the list who 
 actually use a glass screen protector with their iDevice. I'm 
 particularly interested in the opinions of those who have them with 
 models 6S and higher that have 3D Touch capability and if they have 
 noticed any affect the glass screen protector has on 3D Touch efficacy.
 
 
 
 I see on Amazon a very wide range of prices of glass screen 
 protectors from $6 up and one from Tech21 who makes the case I use 
 which goes for about $35 for the iPhone 7. This is quite a range and 
 I'm having a hard time reconciling the differences which account for such 
 a range.
 I'd love to hear from anyone who has recommendations about a 
 specific glass screen protector model and about what it costs.
 
 
 
 Thanks in advance for any comments you can provide.
 
 
 
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RE: Two factor authentication issues?

[Alan Lemly]

Mary,

I hear you and I'm a bit worried about the two-factor authentication as well. I 
also got put on it after upgrading to iOS 10.1 if I understood the Apple email 
I received correctly. It had a link as you mentioned to turn it off but when I 
clicked on it, I got some message about having to change my password so I left 
it alone. I normally handle 2-factor authentication using a text to receive an 
authorization code but if I'm setting up a new iPhone, I'm scratching my head 
as to how this is going to work. Hopefully, it will offer an email option.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 12:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Two factor authentication issues?

I'm not worried about getting the code and entering it, although I don't have 
any vision. When I am worried about our glitches such that the code doesn't 
come or whatever, essentially making your two factor authentication unusable 
and locking you out on your new device. There have been some talk about some 
major problems, not specified, unless I didn't see the follow up message, with 
this system. So I was wondering what they were.
 That would be a problem.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 26, 2016, at 10:14 AM, Rose Combs  wrote:
> 
> I think any time you use a device and need to enter your password you get a 
> text with a code.  Since I never do well with these, reading numbers and 
> getting back to enter them, forgetting them and then time out I have opted 
> not to use 2-factor anything unless I am given absolutely no choice!  I know 
> it is supposed to be more secure, but for me it has been distressing because 
> I generally can't get it done fast enough to make it count.  
> Others may love it, probably those with some vision more than those without I 
> suspect.  
> 
> 
> Rose Combs
> roseco...@q.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 8:57 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; mac4thebl...@freelists.org
> Subject: Two factor authentication issues?
> 
> When I updated my iPad mini two recently, I went ahead and enabled two factor 
> authentication. Subsequently, Apple sent me a notification that included a 
> link, which, if I activated, will let me undo the changes I made. This link 
> will go away as of sometime next week. Therefore, I am interested in the 
> details of the problems that arise with two factor authentication. I gave 
> them my mobile phone number where they could send the six digit code that 
> will be needed when and if I get a new Apple device where I log in with my 
> Apple ID. I certainly don't want some unsolvable problem happening down the 
> road. So what are the issues? Is it something that happens when you're trying 
> to enable two factor authentication? In that case, mine is already done, so 
> no problem. If it is a problem that happens when you're actually trying to 
> start using a new device, that's another matter, and would make me consider 
> revoking my two factor authentication.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Rescue email with Apple

[Helga Schreiber]

Hi Donna. How are you? To cahnge your rescue emil you need to go to your apple 
ID page. The link where you need to logging will be below. you just need to 
sign in with yrou apple id and password, and then you will be able to perform 
the changes! Hope this helps! I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks 
and God bless! 
https://appleid.apple.com/#!=signin

  Helga Schreiber 
Group Moderator  
 
  for the IPad help for the blind 
 
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Students.
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believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 10

> On Oct 26, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Donna  wrote:
> 
> Hi All
> 
> Is there a way to change the rescue e-mail address associated with my Apple 
> account? The rescue e-mail address that is on file is no longer an active 
> e-mail account. Any help is appreciated. 
> 
> Donna
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RE: issue labelling buttons in an app

[R Van Lant]

Update on this.  Now I'm also seeing that the library menu still seems to be 
somehow overlaying over the player after I've clicked on the book I want and 
can see that the player has loaded.  That may be playing into my labelling 
issue.  If I hit the large arrow for play, the book starts playing, but if I 
move my finger up the screen it's reading the names of the other books in my 
library,




From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of R 
Van Lant
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 1:50 PM
To: 'viphone List (viphone@googlegroups.com)'
Subject: issue labelling buttons in an app

Hi,
I just watched a little video on YouTube to refresh my memory on labeling 
unlabeled buttons, and I'm still not getting it to work.  I double tap and hold 
on the button and I heard three ascending tone, not the sound on the video.  I 
do not get the edit box. This is in the Christian Audio app, which has a built 
in audio book player.  Is it possible that the buttons cannot be labelled?  
I'll give feedback to the company, but would love a short term solution, as the 
play, rewind, fast forward buttons are not labeled.


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Re: issue labelling buttons in an app

[Randy Stegall]

What app is this?

Randy

Sent from my iPhone 6 S Plus

> On Oct 26, 2016, at 4:14 PM, R Van Lant  wrote:
> 
> Update on this.  Now I’m also seeing that the library menu still seems to be 
> somehow overlaying over the player after I’ve clicked on the book I want and 
> can see that the player has loaded.  That may be playing into my labelling 
> issue.  If I hit the large arrow for play, the book starts playing, but if I 
> move my finger up the screen it’s reading the names of the other books in my 
> library,
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> R Van Lant
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 1:50 PM
> To: 'viphone List (viphone@googlegroups.com)'
> Subject: issue labelling buttons in an app
>  
> Hi,
> I just watched a little video on YouTube to refresh my memory on labeling 
> unlabeled buttons, and I’m still not getting it to work.  I double tap and 
> hold on the button and I heard three ascending tone, not the sound on the 
> video.  I do not get the edit box. This is in the Christian Audio app, which 
> has a built in audio book player.  Is it possible that the buttons cannot be 
> labelled?  I’ll give feedback to the company, but would love a short term 
> solution, as the play, rewind, fast forward buttons are not labeled.
>  
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Apple Delays AirPods, October Launch No Longer Happening

[Mary Otten]

Apple Delays AirPods, October Launch No Longer Happening
MacRumors: Mac News and Rumors  /  Juli Clover

When Apple debuted its AirPods in September, the company said the wireless 
earbuds would launch in late October. Now that it's late October, people have 
been wondering if a release is imminent, but as it turns out, the AirPods are 
delayed. 

Apple today told TechCrunch that it needs "a little more time" before the 
AirPods are ready for a public release, without specifying the reason behind 
the delay. 


"The early response to AirPods has been incredible. We don't believe in 
shipping a product before it's ready, and we need a little more time before 
AirPods are ready for our customers," an Apple spokesperson said to TechCrunch.
Apple did not provide TechCrunch with updated launch information, so it is no 
longer clear when the AirPods will be available for purchase. 

AirPods are Apple's premium headphone solution for the iPhone 7 and the iPhone 
7 Plus, which do not include a headphone jack. AirPods, powered by Bluetooth 
and an Apple-designed W1 chip, are entirely wireless with no cords between 
them. 



They include advanced features like infrared sensors to detect when they're in 
the ear, beam forming microphones to reduce external noise, and accelerometers 
to respond to touch gestures. 

AirPods have been in the hands of reviewers since September and have garnered 
largely positive reviews for the fit, the features, the simple setup, and the 
easy recharging.

Tag: AirPods

Discuss this article in our forums

  


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RE: Opinions about glass screen protectors and affect on 3D touch

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

Hi,

Can these glass screen protectors be applied by the blind, or is sighted 
assistance necessary?

Thanks, Keith

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 2:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Opinions about glass screen protectors and affect on 3D touch

I have to agree with Mary. A glass screen protector for $7.99 seems a wise 
insurance for that one time your iPhone is dropped and takes a hit on its 
screen. Insurance policies and AppleCare+ can be a very good investment too 
depending on the chance damage might be incurred on the insured item. I realize 
the iPhone screen is manufactured to be tough but if I can add another layer of 
toughness for a small cash outlay without affecting the performance of my 
device, I'm all for it.

Alan Lemly

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Opinions about glass screen protectors and affect on 3D touch

I have never had an issue with my screen either. But there is a first time for 
everything, and these are not very expensive. My husband has had two scream 
protectors crack. If it weren't for the fact that he had the screen protector, 
the screen would've cracked. He's not using an iPhone, and he's obviously 
harder on his phones than I am. But there is a first time for everything. And 
given the price, I couldn't disagree with you more about the advisability of 
purchasing a screen protector.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 26, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Shaf Patel  wrote:
> 
> There is no reason *to* pay for a screen protector. I've never used 
> one, never had an issue with my screen.
> 
>> On 10/25/2016 8:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> Hi Alan,
>> I have used a glass screen protector on an iPhone 5s, 6S, and now my 7+.
>> With regard to 3D Touch, I don't see any difference. And frankly, I 
>> like the way the glass feels as opposed to the film ones. My finger 
>> seems to slide over the screen more smoothly than it does with the film.
>> Unfortunately, I don't remember who made the various screen 
>> protectors I have, but I can tell you that none of them was very 
>> expensive, like 10 bucks or less. I also have a cheap screen 
>> protector made out of glass on a Google Nexus six. That doesn't have 
>> the 3D Touch of course, but the screen protector has worked well. I 
>> wouldn't worry about it. Find one that has good reviews on Amazon that isn't 
>> very expensive and go for it.
>> There is no reason to pay 30 or $35 for a glass screen protector.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Oct 25, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Alan Lemly > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello List,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I've only ever used a film screen protector on the two iPhones I've 
>>> owned. I'm starting to look at accessories for the iPhone 7 which 
>>> I'm planning to get at the beginning of February and wanted to get 
>>> opinions from those who have used glass screen protectors on their 
>>> iPhones.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I've always considered glass screen protectors to be more than I 
>>> needed with the care I take with my iPhone and have never been fully 
>>> convinced that they don't interfere with the touch sensitivity of 
>>> the iPhone. However, I don't want to make assumptions about such 
>>> things and would prefer to get comments from those on the list who 
>>> actually use a glass screen protector with their iDevice. I'm 
>>> particularly interested in the opinions of those who have them with 
>>> models 6S and higher that have 3D Touch capability and if they have 
>>> noticed any affect the glass screen protector has on 3D Touch efficacy.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I see on Amazon a very wide range of prices of glass screen 
>>> protectors from $6 up and one from Tech21 who makes the case I use 
>>> which goes for about $35 for the iPhone 7. This is quite a range and 
>>> I'm having a hard time reconciling the differences which account for such a 
>>> range.
>>> I'd love to hear from anyone who has recommendations about a 
>>> specific glass screen protector model and about what it costs.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance for any comments you can provide.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Alan Lemly
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RE: Opinions about glass screen protectors and affect on 3D touch

[Alan Lemly]

I have to agree with Mary. A glass screen protector for $7.99 seems a wise 
insurance for that one time your iPhone is dropped and takes a hit on its 
screen. Insurance policies and AppleCare+ can be a very good investment too 
depending on the chance damage might be incurred on the insured item. I realize 
the iPhone screen is manufactured to be tough but if I can add another layer of 
toughness for a small cash outlay without affecting the performance of my 
device, I'm all for it.

Alan Lemly

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Opinions about glass screen protectors and affect on 3D touch

I have never had an issue with my screen either. But there is a first time for 
everything, and these are not very expensive. My husband has had two scream 
protectors crack. If it weren't for the fact that he had the screen protector, 
the screen would've cracked. He's not using an iPhone, and he's obviously 
harder on his phones than I am. But there is a first time for everything. And 
given the price, I couldn't disagree with you more about the advisability of 
purchasing a screen protector.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 26, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Shaf Patel  wrote:
> 
> There is no reason *to* pay for a screen protector. I've never used 
> one, never had an issue with my screen.
> 
>> On 10/25/2016 8:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> Hi Alan,
>> I have used a glass screen protector on an iPhone 5s, 6S, and now my 7+.
>> With regard to 3D Touch, I don't see any difference. And frankly, I 
>> like the way the glass feels as opposed to the film ones. My finger 
>> seems to slide over the screen more smoothly than it does with the film.
>> Unfortunately, I don't remember who made the various screen 
>> protectors I have, but I can tell you that none of them was very 
>> expensive, like 10 bucks or less. I also have a cheap screen 
>> protector made out of glass on a Google Nexus six. That doesn't have 
>> the 3D Touch of course, but the screen protector has worked well. I 
>> wouldn't worry about it. Find one that has good reviews on Amazon that isn't 
>> very expensive and go for it.
>> There is no reason to pay 30 or $35 for a glass screen protector.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Oct 25, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Alan Lemly > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello List,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I've only ever used a film screen protector on the two iPhones I've 
>>> owned. I'm starting to look at accessories for the iPhone 7 which 
>>> I'm planning to get at the beginning of February and wanted to get 
>>> opinions from those who have used glass screen protectors on their 
>>> iPhones.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I've always considered glass screen protectors to be more than I 
>>> needed with the care I take with my iPhone and have never been fully 
>>> convinced that they don't interfere with the touch sensitivity of 
>>> the iPhone. However, I don't want to make assumptions about such 
>>> things and would prefer to get comments from those on the list who 
>>> actually use a glass screen protector with their iDevice. I'm 
>>> particularly interested in the opinions of those who have them with 
>>> models 6S and higher that have 3D Touch capability and if they have 
>>> noticed any affect the glass screen protector has on 3D Touch efficacy.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I see on Amazon a very wide range of prices of glass screen 
>>> protectors from $6 up and one from Tech21 who makes the case I use 
>>> which goes for about $35 for the iPhone 7. This is quite a range and 
>>> I'm having a hard time reconciling the differences which account for such a 
>>> range.
>>> I'd love to hear from anyone who has recommendations about a 
>>> specific glass screen protector model and about what it costs.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance for any comments you can provide.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Alan Lemly
>>> 
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issue labelling buttons in an app

[R Van Lant]

Hi,
I just watched a little video on YouTube to refresh my memory on labeling 
unlabeled buttons, and I'm still not getting it to work.  I double tap and hold 
on the button and I heard three ascending tone, not the sound on the video.  I 
do not get the edit box. This is in the Christian Audio app, which has a built 
in audio book player.  Is it possible that the buttons cannot be labelled?  
I'll give feedback to the company, but would love a short term solution, as the 
play, rewind, fast forward buttons are not labeled.


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Re: Rescue email with Apple

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Donna,

Go to appleid.com . Sign in. Then you can make any changes 
to your account that you need to.

Best,
Anna



> On Oct 26, 2016, at 2:16 PM, Donna  wrote:
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> Hi All
> 
> Is there a way to change the rescue e-mail address associated with my Apple 
> account? The rescue e-mail address that is on file is no longer an active 
> e-mail account. Any help is appreciated. 
> 
> Donna
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Re: help please, keychain

[regina alvarado]

Thank you Jenny so much. Everything is back to normal now. 
On Oct 26, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Jennie Facer  wrote:

Hi Reggie,

Keychain is in the iCloud settings. It is a service that lets you keep your 
passwords in Safari across all of your devices. You don't have to have it 
though.

Jenn 

Jenn and Kumi

> On Oct 26, 2016, at 12:09 PM, regina alvarado  
> wrote:
> 
> Can someone get back quickly, please? What is the keychain? How can I access 
> it? Do I have to use it? Updating an iPad with a different pass code. It 
> wants to set up keychain, but I cannot find it to turn it off. Thanks for any 
> help given on this problem. 
> 
> 
> 
> Reggie and Lex
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Rescue email with Apple

[Donna]

Hi All

Is there a way to change the rescue e-mail address associated with my Apple 
account? The rescue e-mail address that is on file is no longer an active 
e-mail account. Any help is appreciated. 

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Re: Two factor authentication issues?

[Vicky Collins]

Hi Mary and All,

even if you don't choose to use that link, you are still able to 
log into your Apple account page and turn off the two factor 
authentication.


I've not exactly had a problem setting up a new device with it 
turned on, but I have had to tell it to send me a text message 
with the six digit code, rather than use the code just sent to 
the phone number.  I haven't yet, though, set up a brand new 
device with iOS 10.  For some unknown reason, even when logging 
into some of Apple support pages with my current device, 
receiving the code via text message works better than getting it 
via an alert on the phone.  Sometimes, even if I get the code 
with the alert, and then double check that I've entered it 
correctly, I still get an error and have to use the text message 
way.



- Original Message -
From: "Robin Frost"  
wrote:


I think any time you use a device and need to enter your 
password you get
a text with a code.  Since I never do well with these, reading 
numbers and
getting back to enter them, forgetting them and then time out I 
have opted
not to use 2-factor anything unless I am given absolutely no 
choice!  I
know it is supposed to be more secure, but for me it has been 
distressing
because I generally can't get it done fast enough to make it 
count.
Others may love it, probably those with some vision more than 
those

without I suspect.


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf

Of Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 8:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; mac4thebl...@freelists.org
Subject: Two factor authentication issues?

When I updated my iPad mini two recently, I went ahead and 
enabled two
factor authentication.  Subsequently, Apple sent me a 
notification that
included a link, which, if I activated, will let me undo the 
changes I
made.  This link will go away as of sometime next week.  
Therefore, I am
interested in the details of the problems that arise with two 
factor
authentication.  I gave them my mobile phone number where they 
could send
the six digit code that will be needed when and if I get a new 
Apple
device where I log in with my Apple ID.  I certainly don't want 
some
unsolvable problem happening down the road.  So what are the 
issues? Is it

something that happens when you're trying to enable two factor
authentication? In that case, mine is already done, so no 
problem.  If it
is a problem that happens when you're actually trying to start 
using a new
device, that's another matter, and would make me consider 
revoking my two

factor authentication.
Mary


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Re: Two factor authentication issues?

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
the only time I encountered an issue with this was recently when upgrading 
from one iPhone to another the system texted the code to my number but since 
my phone wasn't fully up and running and operational I couldn’t get it to 
sign into iCloud properly. So I had to set up phone as new, skipping iCloud 
sign in go to apple ID and turn off TFA and then restore phone from cloud 
after the fact. their system used to have a recovery key you could use for 
times when you're off line but they've taken that away so much as it pains 
me for the moment I have it turned off.  If one has more than one Apple 
device you shouldn't necessarily encounter this but for me it made for some 
heart racy kind of moments so for now it's off but usually it's my practice 
to use it wherever and whenever I can but I admit sometimes it causes the 
user more stress than those it's trying to deter from evil doing.

Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Mary Otten

Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 1:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Two factor authentication issues?

I'm not worried about getting the code and entering it, although I don't 
have any vision. When I am worried about our glitches such that the code 
doesn't come or whatever, essentially making your two factor authentication 
unusable and locking you out on your new device. There have been some talk 
about some major problems, not specified, unless I didn't see the follow up 
message, with this system. So I was wondering what they were.

That would be a problem.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 26, 2016, at 10:14 AM, Rose Combs  wrote:

I think any time you use a device and need to enter your password you get 
a text with a code.  Since I never do well with these, reading numbers and 
getting back to enter them, forgetting them and then time out I have opted 
not to use 2-factor anything unless I am given absolutely no choice!  I 
know it is supposed to be more secure, but for me it has been distressing 
because I generally can't get it done fast enough to make it count.
Others may love it, probably those with some vision more than those 
without I suspect.



Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mary Otten

Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 8:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; mac4thebl...@freelists.org
Subject: Two factor authentication issues?

When I updated my iPad mini two recently, I went ahead and enabled two 
factor authentication. Subsequently, Apple sent me a notification that 
included a link, which, if I activated, will let me undo the changes I 
made. This link will go away as of sometime next week. Therefore, I am 
interested in the details of the problems that arise with two factor 
authentication. I gave them my mobile phone number where they could send 
the six digit code that will be needed when and if I get a new Apple 
device where I log in with my Apple ID. I certainly don't want some 
unsolvable problem happening down the road. So what are the issues? Is it 
something that happens when you're trying to enable two factor 
authentication? In that case, mine is already done, so no problem. If it 
is a problem that happens when you're actually trying to start using a new 
device, that's another matter, and would make me consider revoking my two 
factor authentication.

Mary


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Re: Attention: Safari Bug in iOS 10.1 Detected!

[Jim Fettgather]

Sieghard, In the interest of accuracy, you are quite correct, I had
thought that I was experiencing the same anomaly in the app store, but
it does just seemed to be confined to text fields in web browsers.
Thanks.


On 10/26/16, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> I definitely can reproduce this in Safari when typing text into a search
> field, but I have no problem in the search field of the app store app.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Jim Fettgather
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 10:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Attention: Safari Bug in iOS 10.1 Detected!
>
> This same problem is exhibited when trying to do web searches in Firefox or
> the Chrome browser. Also, from what I can tell, even when searching in the
> App store, this same inability to review the text that is typed in the
> search field is there as well.
>
>
>
> On 10/26/16, Tom Lange  wrote:
>> Hi
>> Using an iPhone 7 paired with a Braille Sense U2, I can definitely
>> confirm the Safari bug, though I found the same behavior occurred no
>> matter where I went. I tried search fields at amazon.com, bookshare.org
>> and at dogpile.com.
>> In all cases, I'd type something in the search fields and set the
>> rotor to characters. When moving backwards along the search strings
>> that I'd entered, VoiceOver would not speak even though I could look
>> at the Braille display and feel the cursor moving backward. When I
>> reached the beginning of the search field and attempted to move
>> forward by character, the cursor would not move on the Braille
>> display, nor would VoiceOver say anything. This is a nasty little bug
>> that needs to be reported to Apple Accessibility right away. In fact,
>> I'm going to carbon-copy Apple Accessibility on this message, and I
>> would urge anyone responding to this thread with bug details to do
>> likewise. Have a good day, everybody.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 7
>>
>>> On Oct 26, 2016, at 5:50 AM, Donna  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I can confirm the Safari bug. I want to add that search fields
>>> respond differently on different websites. I testing on amazon.com &
>>> when flicking through my search term, with the rotor set to
>>> characters, the cursor didn't appear to move. When flicking I heard
>>> only the word I had typed in the search field. When testing on
>>> hearthsong.com, no letters or words were spoken when flicking through
>>> the word that I had entered into the search field. When testing on
>>> beyondplay.com, when the cursor is at the end of the word I heard
>>> each letter & the position of the cursor when flicking backwards
>>> through the word entered into the search field. When flicking forward
>>> through the word voiceover doesn't read anything past the second & it
>>> seems that the cursor doesn't advance past the second letter when
>>> continuing to flick. This was tested using an iPhone 6 with the latest
>>> update IOS 10.1 with voiceover turned on.
>>>
>>> Donna
>>>
 Hi to all!

 Someone just told me about the Safari bug in recent iOS 10.1
 version. I checked it out and here's what I found. Please, try to
 reproduce it by yourselves and if it is consistent amongst you I
 believe we should report to Apple Accessibility. I apologise if this
 was discussed in some recent iOS 10.1 threads, I followed it at some
 point but not thoroughly.
 So, I got the hint edit fields on web pages can not be navigated by
 character or word. I checked it out to see for myself and found this
 situation.

 If you load some web page with he edit field, type some text, e.g.
 "apple" and try to navigate behaviour is as follows:

 1. Double tap to get to the beginning of the text;

 2. Switch the rotor to characters;

 3. Try to flick down as you would navigate from left to right
 (beginning to end);

 4. You'll hear something like: Insertion point is between A and P at
 position 2;

 5. If you flick up (backwards) you'll hear: Insertion point is at
 beginning of text. The problem is you can't flick further than the
 position 2, Voice Over remains silent and insertion point doesn't
 move no matter how you flick; 6. Double tap again to get to the end
 of the text;

 7. If you flick up (from end to beginning) you'll hear: Insertion
 point is between L and E at position 4. Flick up again and you'll hear:
 Insertion point is between P and E at position 3.

 Flicking from end to beginning seems to work fine but flicking from
 beginning to end hangs between first to characters of the entered text.

 I believe Apple introduces some new standard for navigating editable
 text and it seems to me they didn't properly work it out. It has a
 bug when trying to navigate from left 

Re: help please, keychain

[Jennie Facer]

Hi Reggie,

Keychain is in the iCloud settings. It is a service that lets you keep your 
passwords in Safari across all of your devices. You don't have to have it 
though.

Jenn 

Jenn and Kumi

> On Oct 26, 2016, at 12:09 PM, regina alvarado  
> wrote:
> 
> Can someone get back quickly, please? What is the keychain? How can I access 
> it? Do I have to use it? Updating an iPad with a different pass code. It 
> wants to set up keychain, but I cannot find it to turn it off. Thanks for any 
> help given on this problem. 
> 
> 
> 
> Reggie and Lex
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help please, keychain

[regina alvarado]

Can someone get back quickly, please? What is the keychain? How can I access 
it? Do I have to use it? Updating an iPad with a different pass code. It wants 
to set up keychain, but I cannot find it to turn it off. Thanks for any help 
given on this problem. 



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RE: Attention: Safari Bug in iOS 10.1 Detected!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I definitely can reproduce this in Safari when typing text into a search field, 
but I have no problem in the search field of the app store app.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jim Fettgather
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 10:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Attention: Safari Bug in iOS 10.1 Detected!

This same problem is exhibited when trying to do web searches in Firefox or the 
Chrome browser. Also, from what I can tell, even when searching in the App 
store, this same inability to review the text that is typed in the search field 
is there as well.



On 10/26/16, Tom Lange  wrote:
> Hi
> Using an iPhone 7 paired with a Braille Sense U2, I can definitely 
> confirm the Safari bug, though I found the same behavior occurred no 
> matter where I went. I tried search fields at amazon.com, bookshare.org and 
> at dogpile.com.
> In all cases, I'd type something in the search fields and set the 
> rotor to characters. When moving backwards along the search strings 
> that I'd entered, VoiceOver would not speak even though I could look 
> at the Braille display and feel the cursor moving backward. When I 
> reached the beginning of the search field and attempted to move 
> forward by character, the cursor would not move on the Braille 
> display, nor would VoiceOver say anything. This is a nasty little bug 
> that needs to be reported to Apple Accessibility right away. In fact, 
> I'm going to carbon-copy Apple Accessibility on this message, and I 
> would urge anyone responding to this thread with bug details to do likewise. 
> Have a good day, everybody.
>
> Tom
>
> Sent from my iPhone 7
>
>> On Oct 26, 2016, at 5:50 AM, Donna  wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I can confirm the Safari bug. I want to add that search fields 
>> respond differently on different websites. I testing on amazon.com & 
>> when flicking through my search term, with the rotor set to 
>> characters, the cursor didn't appear to move. When flicking I heard 
>> only the word I had typed in the search field. When testing on 
>> hearthsong.com, no letters or words were spoken when flicking through 
>> the word that I had entered into the search field. When testing on 
>> beyondplay.com, when the cursor is at the end of the word I heard 
>> each letter & the position of the cursor when flicking backwards 
>> through the word entered into the search field. When flicking forward 
>> through the word voiceover doesn't read anything past the second & it 
>> seems that the cursor doesn't advance past the second letter when 
>> continuing to flick. This was tested using an iPhone 6 with the latest 
>> update IOS 10.1 with voiceover turned on.
>>
>> Donna
>>
>>> Hi to all!
>>>
>>> Someone just told me about the Safari bug in recent iOS 10.1 
>>> version. I checked it out and here's what I found. Please, try to 
>>> reproduce it by yourselves and if it is consistent amongst you I 
>>> believe we should report to Apple Accessibility. I apologise if this 
>>> was discussed in some recent iOS 10.1 threads, I followed it at some point 
>>> but not thoroughly.
>>> So, I got the hint edit fields on web pages can not be navigated by 
>>> character or word. I checked it out to see for myself and found this 
>>> situation.
>>>
>>> If you load some web page with he edit field, type some text, e.g.
>>> "apple" and try to navigate behaviour is as follows:
>>>
>>> 1. Double tap to get to the beginning of the text;
>>>
>>> 2. Switch the rotor to characters;
>>>
>>> 3. Try to flick down as you would navigate from left to right 
>>> (beginning to end);
>>>
>>> 4. You'll hear something like: Insertion point is between A and P at 
>>> position 2;
>>>
>>> 5. If you flick up (backwards) you'll hear: Insertion point is at 
>>> beginning of text. The problem is you can't flick further than the 
>>> position 2, Voice Over remains silent and insertion point doesn't 
>>> move no matter how you flick; 6. Double tap again to get to the end 
>>> of the text;
>>>
>>> 7. If you flick up (from end to beginning) you'll hear: Insertion 
>>> point is between L and E at position 4. Flick up again and you'll hear:
>>> Insertion point is between P and E at position 3.
>>>
>>> Flicking from end to beginning seems to work fine but flicking from 
>>> beginning to end hangs between first to characters of the entered text.
>>>
>>> I believe Apple introduces some new standard for navigating editable 
>>> text and it seems to me they didn't properly work it out. It has a 
>>> bug when trying to navigate from left to right and this should be 
>>> fixed as soon as possible, edit fields on web pages are important. I 
>>> didn't have the time to investigate it thoroughly but from the info 
>>> I got it seems it happens only in Safari.
>>>
>>> I apologise if I wrote some terms incorectly, I don't use iPhone in 
>>> English and I hope you'll get the 

RE: Two factor authentication issues?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Mary,

I use "Authy" which is an app that provides codes for two-factor 
authentication. You have to set up the accounts which support this and then 
whenever you need a code you just open the app, select the accunt you need a 
code for and it displays a 6-digit code. However, you do have to be somewhat 
quick since the code is only there for 30 seconds, then it changes and the next 
code is displayed for 30 seconds etc. Of course you still have the option to 
get a code texted to you even if you set your primary method to use an app and 
also not all services support these apps. Authy is just one option, Google 
Authenticator is another and I think Microsoft also has one. Microsoft Id's 
support this if you enable two-factor authentication and so does Google and 
Dropbox. Apple of course uses it's own method and Roboform, the password 
manager I use, sends codes by email to the registered email address.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 10:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Two factor authentication issues?

I'm not worried about getting the code and entering it, although I don't have 
any vision. When I am worried about our glitches such that the code doesn't 
come or whatever, essentially making your two factor authentication unusable 
and locking you out on your new device. There have been some talk about some 
major problems, not specified, unless I didn't see the follow up message, with 
this system. So I was wondering what they were.
 That would be a problem.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 26, 2016, at 10:14 AM, Rose Combs  wrote:
> 
> I think any time you use a device and need to enter your password you get a 
> text with a code.  Since I never do well with these, reading numbers and 
> getting back to enter them, forgetting them and then time out I have opted 
> not to use 2-factor anything unless I am given absolutely no choice!  I know 
> it is supposed to be more secure, but for me it has been distressing because 
> I generally can't get it done fast enough to make it count.  
> Others may love it, probably those with some vision more than those without I 
> suspect.  
> 
> 
> Rose Combs
> roseco...@q.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 8:57 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; mac4thebl...@freelists.org
> Subject: Two factor authentication issues?
> 
> When I updated my iPad mini two recently, I went ahead and enabled two factor 
> authentication. Subsequently, Apple sent me a notification that included a 
> link, which, if I activated, will let me undo the changes I made. This link 
> will go away as of sometime next week. Therefore, I am interested in the 
> details of the problems that arise with two factor authentication. I gave 
> them my mobile phone number where they could send the six digit code that 
> will be needed when and if I get a new Apple device where I log in with my 
> Apple ID. I certainly don't want some unsolvable problem happening down the 
> road. So what are the issues? Is it something that happens when you're trying 
> to enable two factor authentication? In that case, mine is already done, so 
> no problem. If it is a problem that happens when you're actually trying to 
> start using a new device, that's another matter, and would make me consider 
> revoking my two factor authentication.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Opinions about glass screen protectors and affect on 3D touch

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It is definitely personal preference, you can say there is no use for something 
in any situation until something happens. Apart from that screen protectors may 
not necessarily prevet the screen from cracking, but if you plan to resell your 
phone and get maximum Dollars for it then consistently using a screen protector 
and good case will definitely prevent the small little scratches and scuffs 
which may take away from the resale value. If you do protect your phone, are 
careful with it and keep the original box you can in good conscience advertise 
it as a phone that is "as new" or "in mint condition" and you probably do get a 
better price for it.
Having said all this, I personally don't use a screen protector, either. I 
should maybe try the glass ones since mostly what I don't like about the 
plastic ones is the fact that my screen is not as slick as when it's just glass.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 9:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Opinions about glass screen protectors and affect on 3D touch

I have never had an issue with my screen either. But there is a first time for 
everything, and these are not very expensive. My husband has had two scream 
protectors crack. If it weren't for the fact that he had the screen protector, 
the screen would've cracked. He's not using an iPhone, and he's obviously 
harder on his phones than I am. But there is a first time for everything. And 
given the price, I couldn't disagree with you more about the advisability of 
purchasing a screen protector.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 26, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Shaf Patel  wrote:
> 
> There is no reason *to* pay for a screen protector. I've never used 
> one, never had an issue with my screen.
> 
>> On 10/25/2016 8:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> Hi Alan,
>> I have used a glass screen protector on an iPhone 5s, 6S, and now my 7+.
>> With regard to 3D Touch, I don't see any difference. And frankly, I 
>> like the way the glass feels as opposed to the film ones. My finger 
>> seems to slide over the screen more smoothly than it does with the film.
>> Unfortunately, I don't remember who made the various screen 
>> protectors I have, but I can tell you that none of them was very 
>> expensive, like 10 bucks or less. I also have a cheap screen 
>> protector made out of glass on a Google Nexus six. That doesn't have 
>> the 3D Touch of course, but the screen protector has worked well. I 
>> wouldn't worry about it. Find one that has good reviews on Amazon that isn't 
>> very expensive and go for it.
>> There is no reason to pay 30 or $35 for a glass screen protector.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Oct 25, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Alan Lemly > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello List,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I've only ever used a film screen protector on the two iPhones I've 
>>> owned. I'm starting to look at accessories for the iPhone 7 which 
>>> I'm planning to get at the beginning of February and wanted to get 
>>> opinions from those who have used glass screen protectors on their 
>>> iPhones.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I've always considered glass screen protectors to be more than I 
>>> needed with the care I take with my iPhone and have never been fully 
>>> convinced that they don't interfere with the touch sensitivity of 
>>> the iPhone. However, I don't want to make assumptions about such 
>>> things and would prefer to get comments from those on the list who 
>>> actually use a glass screen protector with their iDevice. I'm 
>>> particularly interested in the opinions of those who have them with 
>>> models 6S and higher that have 3D Touch capability and if they have 
>>> noticed any affect the glass screen protector has on 3D Touch efficacy.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I see on Amazon a very wide range of prices of glass screen 
>>> protectors from $6 up and one from Tech21 who makes the case I use 
>>> which goes for about $35 for the iPhone 7. This is quite a range and 
>>> I'm having a hard time reconciling the differences which account for such a 
>>> range.
>>> I'd love to hear from anyone who has recommendations about a 
>>> specific glass screen protector model and about what it costs.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance for any comments you can provide.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Alan Lemly
>>> 
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Re: Two factor authentication issues?

[Mary Otten]

I'm not worried about getting the code and entering it, although I don't have 
any vision. When I am worried about our glitches such that the code doesn't 
come or whatever, essentially making your two factor authentication unusable 
and locking you out on your new device. There have been some talk about some 
major problems, not specified, unless I didn't see the follow up message, with 
this system. So I was wondering what they were.
 That would be a problem.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 26, 2016, at 10:14 AM, Rose Combs  wrote:
> 
> I think any time you use a device and need to enter your password you get a 
> text with a code.  Since I never do well with these, reading numbers and 
> getting back to enter them, forgetting them and then time out I have opted 
> not to use 2-factor anything unless I am given absolutely no choice!  I know 
> it is supposed to be more secure, but for me it has been distressing because 
> I generally can't get it done fast enough to make it count.  
> Others may love it, probably those with some vision more than those without I 
> suspect.  
> 
> 
> Rose Combs
> roseco...@q.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 8:57 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; mac4thebl...@freelists.org
> Subject: Two factor authentication issues?
> 
> When I updated my iPad mini two recently, I went ahead and enabled two factor 
> authentication. Subsequently, Apple sent me a notification that included a 
> link, which, if I activated, will let me undo the changes I made. This link 
> will go away as of sometime next week. Therefore, I am interested in the 
> details of the problems that arise with two factor authentication. I gave 
> them my mobile phone number where they could send the six digit code that 
> will be needed when and if I get a new Apple device where I log in with my 
> Apple ID. I certainly don't want some unsolvable problem happening down the 
> road. So what are the issues? Is it something that happens when you're trying 
> to enable two factor authentication? In that case, mine is already done, so 
> no problem. If it is a problem that happens when you're actually trying to 
> start using a new device, that's another matter, and would make me consider 
> revoking my two factor authentication.
> Mary
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Re: Attention: Safari Bug in iOS 10.1 Detected!

[Jim Fettgather]

This same problem is exhibited when trying to do web searches in
Firefox or the Chrome browser. Also, from what I can tell, even when
searching in the App store, this same inability to review the text
that is typed in the search field is there as well.



On 10/26/16, Tom Lange  wrote:
> Hi
> Using an iPhone 7 paired with a Braille Sense U2, I can definitely confirm
> the Safari bug, though I found the same behavior occurred no matter where I
> went. I tried search fields at amazon.com, bookshare.org and at dogpile.com.
> In all cases, I'd type something in the search fields and set the rotor to
> characters. When moving backwards along the search strings that I'd entered,
> VoiceOver would not speak even though I could look at the Braille display
> and feel the cursor moving backward. When I reached the beginning of the
> search field and attempted to move forward by character, the cursor would
> not move on the Braille display, nor would VoiceOver say anything. This is a
> nasty little bug that needs to be reported to Apple Accessibility right
> away. In fact, I'm going to carbon-copy Apple Accessibility on this message,
> and I would urge anyone responding to this thread with bug details to do
> likewise. Have a good day, everybody.
>
> Tom
>
> Sent from my iPhone 7
>
>> On Oct 26, 2016, at 5:50 AM, Donna  wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I can confirm the Safari bug. I want to add that search fields respond
>> differently on different websites. I testing on amazon.com & when flicking
>> through my search term, with the rotor set to characters, the cursor
>> didn't appear to move. When flicking I heard only the word I had typed in
>> the search field. When testing on hearthsong.com, no letters or words were
>> spoken when flicking through the word that I had entered into the search
>> field. When testing on beyondplay.com, when the cursor is at the end of
>> the word I heard each letter & the position of the cursor when flicking
>> backwards through the word entered into the search field. When flicking
>> forward through the word voiceover doesn't read anything past the second &
>> it seems that the cursor doesn't advance past the second letter when
>> continuing to flick. This was tested using an iPhone 6 with the latest
>> update IOS 10.1 with voiceover turned on.
>>
>> Donna
>>
>>> Hi to all!
>>>
>>> Someone just told me about the Safari bug in recent iOS 10.1 version. I
>>> checked it out and here's what I found. Please, try to reproduce it by
>>> yourselves and if it is consistent amongst you I believe we should report
>>> to Apple Accessibility. I apologise if this was discussed in some recent
>>> iOS 10.1 threads, I followed it at some point but not thoroughly.
>>> So, I got the hint edit fields on web pages can not be navigated by
>>> character or word. I checked it out to see for myself and found
>>> this situation.
>>>
>>> If you load some web page with he edit field, type some text, e.g.
>>> "apple" and try to navigate behaviour is as follows:
>>>
>>> 1. Double tap to get to the beginning of the text;
>>>
>>> 2. Switch the rotor to characters;
>>>
>>> 3. Try to flick down as you would navigate from left to right (beginning
>>> to end);
>>>
>>> 4. You'll hear something like: Insertion point is between A and P at
>>> position 2;
>>>
>>> 5. If you flick up (backwards) you'll hear: Insertion point is at
>>> beginning of text. The problem is you can't flick further than the
>>> position 2, Voice Over remains silent and insertion point doesn't move no
>>> matter how you flick;
>>> 6. Double tap again to get to the end of the text;
>>>
>>> 7. If you flick up (from end to beginning) you'll hear: Insertion point
>>> is between L and E at position 4. Flick up again and you'll hear:
>>> Insertion point is between P and E at position 3.
>>>
>>> Flicking from end to beginning seems to work fine but flicking from
>>> beginning to end hangs between first to characters of the entered text.
>>>
>>> I believe Apple introduces some new standard for navigating editable text
>>> and it seems to me they didn't properly work it out. It has a bug when
>>> trying to navigate from left to right and this should be fixed as soon as
>>> possible, edit fields on web pages are important. I didn't have the time
>>> to investigate it thoroughly but from the info I got it seems it happens
>>> only in Safari.
>>>
>>> I apologise if I wrote some terms incorectly, I don't use iPhone in
>>> English and I hope you'll get the point. Please report back if this is
>>> happening to you too. If it does I hope we can put some thoughts together
>>> and alert Apple about this.
>>>
>>> Thanks and take care!
>>>
>>>
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RE: Two factor authentication issues?

[Rose Combs]

Microsoft and I have been at odds because they send me a code to change 
password and by the time I read it, try to get back to where it is needed, mix 
up or forget it go back again, it expires!  For my part, if I can get away 
without it I will but then, my phone is usually nearby, in my purse or pocket, 
on my desk or nightstand and I live alone.  I am very protective of it, I don't 
key the 6-digit or even the 4-digit code in place because it is annoying to 
have to keep putting it in every time I need to use the phone or applications 
on the phone.  

As I said it hardly leaves my side unless I am home alone doors locked, and 
know no one else is here.  Only thing is, often take it out of a pocket while 
in the bathroom so it does not fall where it should not be, leave it on the 
vanity then have to call it or have someone call it so I can find it, usually 
same place every time so now I look there first!  
I don't recommend this for everyone, in fact I don't recommend it for most 
people!  


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Davy Cuppens
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 8:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Two factor authentication issues?

Hi Mary

Especially for Microsoft and Windows users besides their apple devices, be 
aware that programs like windows live mail do apparently not give access 
anymore to icloud mail accounts while they require 2steps verificcation and 
this is the case with my wlm.

Regards
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 5:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; mac4thebl...@freelists.org
Subject: Two factor authentication issues?

When I updated my iPad mini two recently, I went ahead and enabled two 
factor authentication. Subsequently, Apple sent me a notification that 
included a link, which, if I activated, will let me undo the changes I made. 
This link will go away as of sometime next week. Therefore, I am interested 
in the details of the problems that arise with two factor authentication. I 
gave them my mobile phone number where they could send the six digit code 
that will be needed when and if I get a new Apple device where I log in with 
my Apple ID. I certainly don't want some unsolvable problem happening down 
the road. So what are the issues? Is it something that happens when you're 
trying to enable two factor authentication? In that case, mine is already 
done, so no problem. If it is a problem that happens when you're actually 
trying to start using a new device, that's another matter, and would make me 
consider revoking my two factor authentication.
Mary


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RE: Two factor authentication issues?

[Rose Combs]

I think any time you use a device and need to enter your password you get a 
text with a code.  Since I never do well with these, reading numbers and 
getting back to enter them, forgetting them and then time out I have opted not 
to use 2-factor anything unless I am given absolutely no choice!  I know it is 
supposed to be more secure, but for me it has been distressing because I 
generally can't get it done fast enough to make it count.  
Others may love it, probably those with some vision more than those without I 
suspect.  


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
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Subject: Two factor authentication issues?

When I updated my iPad mini two recently, I went ahead and enabled two factor 
authentication. Subsequently, Apple sent me a notification that included a 
link, which, if I activated, will let me undo the changes I made. This link 
will go away as of sometime next week. Therefore, I am interested in the 
details of the problems that arise with two factor authentication. I gave them 
my mobile phone number where they could send the six digit code that will be 
needed when and if I get a new Apple device where I log in with my Apple ID. I 
certainly don't want some unsolvable problem happening down the road. So what 
are the issues? Is it something that happens when you're trying to enable two 
factor authentication? In that case, mine is already done, so no problem. If it 
is a problem that happens when you're actually trying to start using a new 
device, that's another matter, and would make me consider revoking my two 
factor authentication.
Mary


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Re: IPad newest model

[Rajmund]

Hi,
IPad mini: 4th generation.
IPad, regular size: iPad pro, 9.7 inch. 



Sent from a Braille Sense 

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From: Chris Chaffin  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 6:00 pm
Subject: Re: IPad newest model

>
>
> I believe the iPad Aire 2 is the latest model.  It was released in October 
> 2014.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> > On Oct 26, 2016, at 12:40 PM, Marie  wrote:
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> > I am not an IPad user but looking at a gift. Is the IPad 4 the newest model 
> > and is there another model coming out soon? Thanks, Marie
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Re: IPad newest model

[Daniel L. Gervais]

Actually, the newest iPad would be the iPad Pro 9.7 inch model.


From:   Chris Chaffin 
To: 
Date:   2016/10/26 1:00 PM
Subject:Re: IPad newest model

I believe the iPad Aire 2 is the latest model.  It was released in October 2014.

Chris


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Re: IPad newest model

[Chris Chaffin]

I believe the iPad Aire 2 is the latest model.  It was released in October 2014.

Chris


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IPad newest model

[Marie]

I am not an IPad user but looking at a gift. Is the IPad 4 the newest model and 
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Re: Opinions about glass screen protectors and affect on 3D touch

[Mary Otten]

I have never had an issue with my screen either. But there is a first time for 
everything, and these are not very expensive. My husband has had two scream 
protectors crack. If it weren't for the fact that he had the screen protector, 
the screen would've cracked. He's not using an iPhone, and he's obviously 
harder on his phones than I am. But there is a first time for everything. And 
given the price, I couldn't disagree with you more about the advisability of 
purchasing a screen protector.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 26, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Shaf Patel  wrote:
> 
> There is no reason *to* pay for a screen protector. I've never used one,
> never had an issue with my screen.
> 
>> On 10/25/2016 8:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> Hi Alan,
>> I have used a glass screen protector on an iPhone 5s, 6S, and now my 7+.
>> With regard to 3D Touch, I don't see any difference. And frankly, I like
>> the way the glass feels as opposed to the film ones. My finger seems to
>> slide over the screen more smoothly than it does with the film.
>> Unfortunately, I don't remember who made the various screen protectors I
>> have, but I can tell you that none of them was very expensive, like 10
>> bucks or less. I also have a cheap screen protector made out of glass on
>> a Google Nexus six. That doesn't have the 3D Touch of course, but the
>> screen protector has worked well. I wouldn't worry about it. Find one
>> that has good reviews on Amazon that isn't very expensive and go for it.
>> There is no reason to pay 30 or $35 for a glass screen protector.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Oct 25, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Alan Lemly > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello List,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I've only ever used a film screen protector on the two iPhones I've
>>> owned. I'm starting to look at accessories for the iPhone 7 which I'm
>>> planning to get at the beginning of February and wanted to get
>>> opinions from those who have used glass screen protectors on their
>>> iPhones.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I've always considered glass screen protectors to be more than I
>>> needed with the care I take with my iPhone and have never been fully
>>> convinced that they don't interfere with the touch sensitivity of the
>>> iPhone. However, I don't want to make assumptions about such things
>>> and would prefer to get comments from those on the list who actually
>>> use a glass screen protector with their iDevice. I'm particularly
>>> interested in the opinions of those who have them with models 6S and
>>> higher that have 3D Touch capability and if they have noticed any
>>> affect the glass screen protector has on 3D Touch efficacy.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I see on Amazon a very wide range of prices of glass screen protectors
>>> from $6 up and one from Tech21 who makes the case I use which goes for
>>> about $35 for the iPhone 7. This is quite a range and I'm having a
>>> hard time reconciling the differences which account for such a range.
>>> I'd love to hear from anyone who has recommendations about a specific
>>> glass screen protector model and about what it costs.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance for any comments you can provide.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Alan Lemly
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Re: Two factor authentication issues?

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi Mary

Especially for Microsoft and Windows users besides their apple devices, be 
aware that programs like windows live mail do apparently not give access 
anymore to icloud mail accounts while they require 2steps verificcation and 
this is the case with my wlm.


Regards
Davy

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From: Mary Otten

Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 5:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; mac4thebl...@freelists.org
Subject: Two factor authentication issues?

When I updated my iPad mini two recently, I went ahead and enabled two 
factor authentication. Subsequently, Apple sent me a notification that 
included a link, which, if I activated, will let me undo the changes I made. 
This link will go away as of sometime next week. Therefore, I am interested 
in the details of the problems that arise with two factor authentication. I 
gave them my mobile phone number where they could send the six digit code 
that will be needed when and if I get a new Apple device where I log in with 
my Apple ID. I certainly don't want some unsolvable problem happening down 
the road. So what are the issues? Is it something that happens when you're 
trying to enable two factor authentication? In that case, mine is already 
done, so no problem. If it is a problem that happens when you're actually 
trying to start using a new device, that's another matter, and would make me 
consider revoking my two factor authentication.

Mary


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Two factor authentication issues?

[Mary Otten]

When I updated my iPad mini two recently, I went ahead and enabled two factor 
authentication. Subsequently, Apple sent me a notification that included a 
link, which, if I activated, will let me undo the changes I made. This link 
will go away as of sometime next week. Therefore, I am interested in the 
details of the problems that arise with two factor authentication. I gave them 
my mobile phone number where they could send the six digit code that will be 
needed when and if I get a new Apple device where I log in with my Apple ID. I 
certainly don't want some unsolvable problem happening down the road. So what 
are the issues? Is it something that happens when you're trying to enable two 
factor authentication? In that case, mine is already done, so no problem. If it 
is a problem that happens when you're actually trying to start using a new 
device, that's another matter, and would make me consider revoking my two 
factor authentication.
Mary


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Re: Opinions about glass screen protectors and affect on 3D touch

[Shaf Patel]

There is no reason *to* pay for a screen protector. I've never used one,
never had an issue with my screen.

On 10/25/2016 8:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
> Hi Alan,
> I have used a glass screen protector on an iPhone 5s, 6S, and now my 7+.
> With regard to 3D Touch, I don't see any difference. And frankly, I like
> the way the glass feels as opposed to the film ones. My finger seems to
> slide over the screen more smoothly than it does with the film.
> Unfortunately, I don't remember who made the various screen protectors I
> have, but I can tell you that none of them was very expensive, like 10
> bucks or less. I also have a cheap screen protector made out of glass on
> a Google Nexus six. That doesn't have the 3D Touch of course, but the
> screen protector has worked well. I wouldn't worry about it. Find one
> that has good reviews on Amazon that isn't very expensive and go for it.
> There is no reason to pay 30 or $35 for a glass screen protector.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 25, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Alan Lemly  > wrote:
> 
>> Hello List,
>>
>>  
>>
>> I've only ever used a film screen protector on the two iPhones I've
>> owned. I'm starting to look at accessories for the iPhone 7 which I'm
>> planning to get at the beginning of February and wanted to get
>> opinions from those who have used glass screen protectors on their
>> iPhones.
>>
>>  
>>
>> I've always considered glass screen protectors to be more than I
>> needed with the care I take with my iPhone and have never been fully
>> convinced that they don't interfere with the touch sensitivity of the
>> iPhone. However, I don't want to make assumptions about such things
>> and would prefer to get comments from those on the list who actually
>> use a glass screen protector with their iDevice. I'm particularly
>> interested in the opinions of those who have them with models 6S and
>> higher that have 3D Touch capability and if they have noticed any
>> affect the glass screen protector has on 3D Touch efficacy.
>>
>>  
>>
>> I see on Amazon a very wide range of prices of glass screen protectors
>> from $6 up and one from Tech21 who makes the case I use which goes for
>> about $35 for the iPhone 7. This is quite a range and I'm having a
>> hard time reconciling the differences which account for such a range.
>> I'd love to hear from anyone who has recommendations about a specific
>> glass screen protector model and about what it costs.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any comments you can provide.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Alan Lemly
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Re: Dice world

[Sharonda Greenlaw]

I'm sharonda3570, and I play all the Dice World games. 

Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse any mistakes 

> On Oct 26, 2016, at 6:50 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> I'll play too. I'm BBS on Dice World and I play all 3 of those games.
> 
> Shawn
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> 
>> On Oct 25, 2016, at 8:18 PM, Rajmund  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Sure. I'm braille0109, and I'll play any game. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from an iPad Air
>> 
>>> On 26 Oct 2016, at 2:12 am, Louise Johnson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone I am writing as I am wanting to know if others on the list 
>>> would like to play games with me.
>>>  
>>> My user name is herclouise 
>>>  
>>> I play three games 
>>>  
>>> Farkol 
>>> Three’s 
>>> 1, 4, 24 
>>>  
>>> If you want me to add you please send your user name and I will add you. 
>>>  
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Re: Alexxa App

[Christopher Chaltain]

I don't see Google listed on his LinkedIn profile, so I don't know if he 
works for Google or ever has. I tend to just take people's posts at face 
value, so it usually isn't too important to me if they're employees of a 
particular company or not.


On 26/10/16 08:43, Brian Fischler wrote:

Yes Kevin works for Google in some capacity as he is all over these lists. 
Funny though he never responds when asked a point blank question about Google’s 
accessibility issues on the mac. Until Google can make gmail, google groups, 
and their spreadsheet programs completely accessible I find stuff they claim to 
be laughable. I am sure google’s stuff is more accessible when using JAWS but I 
am on the mac side.

On Oct 25, 2016, at 7:26 PM, Larry Lumpkin  wrote:

I know people who have set up their wi-fi for alexa just fine.  Jonathan in his 
book says the ios app and windows app work fine.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jim Ruby
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 5:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Alexxa App

This is not so great news as I just purchased an echo dot, but all this aside 
what do you all use your echo for? Is the skills accessible either on ie web or 
in the alexa app?

They should be here tomorrow, so I guess I'll be either having success or 
hitting a brick wall.




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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 4:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Alexxa App

I too could not setup the wifi portion of the Echo Dot using the Alexa app, and 
finally had to get sighted help to do this (I don't have a mac to fallback to).

I've been complaining to Amazon for several months (being an original Echo 
owner) about a list of accessibility issues with the Alwxa app, and with the 
Alexa web page when used via the Internet Explorer Windows browser; they have 
done absolutely nothing at all to fix any of the problems.  They are the least 
responsive large company I have yet come across as regards accessibility issues.

Chip



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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Alexxa App

Hey all,

I am a long time owner of the Amazon Echo and was very excited to have my new 
Dot arrive today. Unfortunately the accessibility of the Alexa app has gone 
backwards. I could not set up my Dot in the app, as I could not get the connect 
to wifi part to work and VO crashed multiple times when trying to do so. I also 
deleted the Alexxa app and reinstalled it thinking there might have been a bug 
on my end. No luck. Do not even bother trying to set up the Dot on the mac as 
all wifi networks are read as one continuous list and you can't select your 
wifi network. What finally worked setting the Dot up was doing it in Chrome on 
the mac as the Amazon set up page read all wifi networks as it should be 
different items. Anyway just wanted to get this out there as I spent hours 
trying to get the Dot up and running. It seems to be connected and working fine 
now just waiting it to reboot as I changed the wake word and thought this might 
be helpful to someone.

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Re: Dice world

[Shawn Krasniuk]

I'll play too. I'm BBS on Dice World and I play all 3 of those games.

Shawn
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> On Oct 25, 2016, at 8:18 PM, Rajmund  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Sure. I'm braille0109, and I'll play any game. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from an iPad Air
> 
> On 26 Oct 2016, at 2:12 am, Louise Johnson  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone I am writing as I am wanting to know if others on the list would 
>> like to play games with me.
>>  
>> My user name is herclouise 
>>  
>> I play three games 
>>  
>> Farkol 
>> Three’s 
>> 1, 4, 24 
>>  
>> If you want me to add you please send your user name and I will add you. 
>>  
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>>  
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Re: Alexxa App

[Brian Fischler]

Larry Jonathan might say that in his book, but things have gone backwards with 
the app as far as being able to use all features on the iPhone. It is 
disappointing as Amazon seemed to be headed in the right direction earlier this 
year, but things seem to be going backwards the past few updates.
> On Oct 25, 2016, at 7:26 PM, Larry Lumpkin  wrote:
> 
> I know people who have set up their wi-fi for alexa just fine.  Jonathan in 
> his book says the ios app and windows app work fine.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jim Ruby
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 5:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Alexxa App
> 
> This is not so great news as I just purchased an echo dot, but all this aside 
> what do you all use your echo for? Is the skills accessible either on ie web 
> or in the alexa app?
> 
> They should be here tomorrow, so I guess I'll be either having success or 
> hitting a brick wall.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Chip Orange
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 4:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Alexxa App
> 
> I too could not setup the wifi portion of the Echo Dot using the Alexa app, 
> and finally had to get sighted help to do this (I don't have a mac to 
> fallback to).
> 
> I've been complaining to Amazon for several months (being an original Echo 
> owner) about a list of accessibility issues with the Alwxa app, and with the 
> Alexa web page when used via the Internet Explorer Windows browser; they have 
> done absolutely nothing at all to fix any of the problems.  They are the 
> least responsive large company I have yet come across as regards 
> accessibility issues.
> 
> Chip
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Brian Fischler
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 8:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Alexxa App
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> I am a long time owner of the Amazon Echo and was very excited to have my new 
> Dot arrive today. Unfortunately the accessibility of the Alexa app has gone 
> backwards. I could not set up my Dot in the app, as I could not get the 
> connect to wifi part to work and VO crashed multiple times when trying to do 
> so. I also deleted the Alexxa app and reinstalled it thinking there might 
> have been a bug on my end. No luck. Do not even bother trying to set up the 
> Dot on the mac as all wifi networks are read as one continuous list and you 
> can't select your wifi network. What finally worked setting the Dot up was 
> doing it in Chrome on the mac as the Amazon set up page read all wifi 
> networks as it should be different items. Anyway just wanted to get this out 
> there as I spent hours trying to get the Dot up and running. It seems to be 
> connected and working fine now just waiting it to reboot as I changed the 
> wake word and thought this might be helpful to someone.
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Re: Attention: Safari Bug in iOS 10.1 Detected!

[Tom Lange]

Hi
Using an iPhone 7 paired with a Braille Sense U2, I can definitely confirm the 
Safari bug, though I found the same behavior occurred no matter where I went. I 
tried search fields at amazon.com, bookshare.org and at dogpile.com. In all 
cases, I'd type something in the search fields and set the rotor to characters. 
When moving backwards along the search strings that I'd entered, VoiceOver 
would not speak even though I could look at the Braille display and feel the 
cursor moving backward. When I reached the beginning of the search field and 
attempted to move forward by character, the cursor would not move on the 
Braille display, nor would VoiceOver say anything. This is a nasty little bug 
that needs to be reported to Apple Accessibility right away. In fact, I'm going 
to carbon-copy Apple Accessibility on this message, and I would urge anyone 
responding to this thread with bug details to do likewise. Have a good day, 
everybody.

Tom   

Sent from my iPhone 7

> On Oct 26, 2016, at 5:50 AM, Donna  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> I can confirm the Safari bug. I want to add that search fields respond 
> differently on different websites. I testing on amazon.com & when flicking 
> through my search term, with the rotor set to characters, the cursor didn't 
> appear to move. When flicking I heard only the word I had typed in the search 
> field. When testing on hearthsong.com, no letters or words were spoken when 
> flicking through the word that I had entered into the search field. When 
> testing on beyondplay.com, when the cursor is at the end of the word I heard 
> each letter & the position of the cursor when flicking backwards through the 
> word entered into the search field. When flicking forward through the word 
> voiceover doesn't read anything past the second & it seems that the cursor 
> doesn't advance past the second letter when continuing to flick. This was 
> tested using an iPhone 6 with the latest update IOS 10.1 with voiceover 
> turned on. 
> 
> Donna
> 
>> Hi to all!
>> 
>> Someone just told me about the Safari bug in recent iOS 10.1 version. I 
>> checked it out and here's what I found. Please, try to reproduce it by 
>> yourselves and if it is consistent amongst you I believe we should report to 
>> Apple Accessibility. I apologise if this was discussed in some recent iOS 
>> 10.1 threads, I followed it at some point but not thoroughly.
>> So, I got the hint edit fields on web pages can not be navigated by 
>> character or word. I checked it out to see for myself and found   this 
>> situation.
>> 
>> If you load some web page with he edit field, type some text, e.g. "apple" 
>> and try to navigate behaviour is as follows:
>> 
>> 1. Double tap to get to the beginning of the text;
>> 
>> 2. Switch the rotor to characters;
>> 
>> 3. Try to flick down as you would navigate from left to right (beginning to 
>> end);
>> 
>> 4. You'll hear something like: Insertion point is between A and P at 
>> position 2;
>> 
>> 5. If you flick up (backwards) you'll hear: Insertion point is at beginning 
>> of text. The problem is you can't flick further than the position 2, Voice 
>> Over remains silent and insertion point doesn't move no matter how you flick;
>> 6. Double tap again to get to the end of the text;
>> 
>> 7. If you flick up (from end to beginning) you'll hear: Insertion point is 
>> between L and E at position 4. Flick up again and you'll hear: Insertion 
>> point is between P and E at position 3.
>> 
>> Flicking from end to beginning seems to work fine but flicking from 
>> beginning to end hangs between first to characters of the entered text.
>> 
>> I believe Apple introduces some new standard for navigating editable text 
>> and it seems to me they didn't properly work it out. It has a bug when 
>> trying to navigate from left to right and this should be fixed as soon as 
>> possible, edit fields on web pages are important. I didn't have the time to 
>> investigate it thoroughly but from the info I got it seems it happens only 
>> in Safari.
>> 
>> I apologise if I wrote some terms incorectly, I don't use iPhone in English 
>> and I hope you'll get the point. Please report back if this is happening to 
>> you too. If it does I hope we can put some thoughts together and alert Apple 
>> about this.
>> 
>> Thanks and take care!
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Alexxa App

[Brian Fischler]

Yes Kevin works for Google in some capacity as he is all over these lists. 
Funny though he never responds when asked a point blank question about Google’s 
accessibility issues on the mac. Until Google can make gmail, google groups, 
and their spreadsheet programs completely accessible I find stuff they claim to 
be laughable. I am sure google’s stuff is more accessible when using JAWS but I 
am on the mac side.  
> On Oct 25, 2016, at 7:26 PM, Larry Lumpkin  wrote:
> 
> I know people who have set up their wi-fi for alexa just fine.  Jonathan in 
> his book says the ios app and windows app work fine.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jim Ruby
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 5:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Alexxa App
> 
> This is not so great news as I just purchased an echo dot, but all this aside 
> what do you all use your echo for? Is the skills accessible either on ie web 
> or in the alexa app?
> 
> They should be here tomorrow, so I guess I'll be either having success or 
> hitting a brick wall.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Chip Orange
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 4:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Alexxa App
> 
> I too could not setup the wifi portion of the Echo Dot using the Alexa app, 
> and finally had to get sighted help to do this (I don't have a mac to 
> fallback to).
> 
> I've been complaining to Amazon for several months (being an original Echo 
> owner) about a list of accessibility issues with the Alwxa app, and with the 
> Alexa web page when used via the Internet Explorer Windows browser; they have 
> done absolutely nothing at all to fix any of the problems.  They are the 
> least responsive large company I have yet come across as regards 
> accessibility issues.
> 
> Chip
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Brian Fischler
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 8:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Alexxa App
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> I am a long time owner of the Amazon Echo and was very excited to have my new 
> Dot arrive today. Unfortunately the accessibility of the Alexa app has gone 
> backwards. I could not set up my Dot in the app, as I could not get the 
> connect to wifi part to work and VO crashed multiple times when trying to do 
> so. I also deleted the Alexxa app and reinstalled it thinking there might 
> have been a bug on my end. No luck. Do not even bother trying to set up the 
> Dot on the mac as all wifi networks are read as one continuous list and you 
> can't select your wifi network. What finally worked setting the Dot up was 
> doing it in Chrome on the mac as the Amazon set up page read all wifi 
> networks as it should be different items. Anyway just wanted to get this out 
> there as I spent hours trying to get the Dot up and running. It seems to be 
> connected and working fine now just waiting it to reboot as I changed the 
> wake word and thought this might be helpful to someone.
> 
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Re: Attention: Safari Bug in iOS 10.1 Detected!

[Donna]

Hi

I can confirm the Safari bug. I want to add that search fields respond 
differently on different websites. I testing on amazon.com & when flicking 
through my search term, with the rotor set to characters, the cursor didn't 
appear to move. When flicking I heard only the word I had typed in the search 
field. When testing on hearthsong.com, no letters or words were spoken when 
flicking through the word that I had entered into the search field. When 
testing on beyondplay.com, when the cursor is at the end of the word I heard 
each letter & the position of the cursor when flicking backwards through the 
word entered into the search field. When flicking forward through the word 
voiceover doesn't read anything past the second & it seems that the cursor 
doesn't advance past the second letter when continuing to flick. This was 
tested using an iPhone 6 with the latest update IOS 10.1 with voiceover turned 
on. 

Donna
> 
> Hi to all!
> 
> Someone just told me about the Safari bug in recent iOS 10.1 version. I 
> checked it out and here's what I found. Please, try to reproduce it by 
> yourselves and if it is consistent amongst you I believe we should report to 
> Apple Accessibility. I apologise if this was discussed in some recent iOS 
> 10.1 threads, I followed it at some point but not thoroughly.
> So, I got the hint edit fields on web pages can not be navigated by character 
> or word. I checked it out to see for myself and found this situation.
> 
> If you load some web page with he edit field, type some text, e.g. "apple" 
> and try to navigate behaviour is as follows:
> 
> 1. Double tap to get to the beginning of the text;
> 
> 2. Switch the rotor to characters;
> 
> 3. Try to flick down as you would navigate from left to right (beginning to 
> end);
> 
> 4. You'll hear something like: Insertion point is between A and P at position 
> 2;
> 
> 5. If you flick up (backwards) you'll hear: Insertion point is at beginning 
> of text. The problem is you can't flick further than the position 2, Voice 
> Over remains silent and insertion point doesn't move no matter how you flick;
> 6. Double tap again to get to the end of the text;
> 
> 7. If you flick up (from end to beginning) you'll hear: Insertion point is 
> between L and E at position 4. Flick up again and you'll hear: Insertion 
> point is between P and E at position 3.
> 
> Flicking from end to beginning seems to work fine but flicking from beginning 
> to end hangs between first to characters of the entered text.
> 
> I believe Apple introduces some new standard for navigating editable text and 
> it seems to me they didn't properly work it out. It has a bug when trying to 
> navigate from left to right and this should be fixed as soon as possible, 
> edit fields on web pages are important. I didn't have the time to investigate 
> it thoroughly but from the info I got it seems it happens only in Safari.
> 
> I apologise if I wrote some terms incorectly, I don't use iPhone in English 
> and I hope you'll get the point. Please report back if this is happening to 
> you too. If it does I hope we can put some thoughts together and alert Apple 
> about this.
> 
> Thanks and take care!
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Tunein premium & the World Series

[Tim Mehok]

Thanks all.
I will be signing up to hear the home broadcasters...:)

Go Tribe,
Tim

On 10/25/16, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> I just switched to the Cleveland feed, and I do seem to be listening to
> the Indians' broadcasters.
>
> On 25/10/16 22:20, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>> I didn't hear the Indians pregame show on the Cleveland feded, and I
>> switched to ESPN Radio before the actual game started, so I'm not sure
>> what happened on the Indians broadcast.
>>
>> On 25/10/16 21:51, Michael Maslo wrote:
>>> Tune in has both teams feed. Works great
>>>
>>> Get Outlook for iOS 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 9:23 PM -0500, "Tim Mehok" >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> MLB has blocked the Cleveland announced broadcast of the World
>>> Series.
>>> The only exception that I know is Serious XM Satilite.
>>> Can some one with Tunin radio Premium channel check to see if the
>>> World Series game is the Cleveland  feed with Tom Hamilton as the
>>> primary announcer?
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
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Attention: Safari Bug in iOS 10.1 Detected!

[Gordan Radić]

  
  
Hi to all!
Someone just told me about the Safari bug in recent iOS 10.1
  version. I checked it out and here's what I found. Please, try to
  reproduce it by yourselves and if it is consistent amongst you I
  believe we should report to Apple Accessibility. I apologise if
  this was discussed in some recent iOS 10.1 threads, I followed it
  at some point but not thoroughly.

So, I got the hint edit fields on web pages can not be navigated
  by character or word. I checked it out to see for myself and found
  this situation.
If you load some web page with he edit field, type some text,
  e.g. "apple" and try to navigate behaviour is as follows:
1. Double tap to get to the beginning of the text;
2. Switch the rotor to characters;
3. Try to flick down as you would navigate from left to right
  (beginning to end);
4. You'll hear something like: Insertion point is between A and P
  at position 2;
5. If you flick up (backwards) you'll hear: Insertion point is at
  beginning of text. The problem is you can't flick further than the
  position 2, Voice Over remains silent and insertion point doesn't
  move no matter how you flick;

6. Double tap again to get to the end of the text;
7. If you flick up (from end to beginning) you'll hear: Insertion
  point is between L and E at position 4. Flick up again and you'll
  hear: Insertion point is between P and E at position 3.
Flicking from end to beginning seems to work fine but flicking
  from beginning to end hangs between first to characters of the
  entered text.
I believe Apple introduces some new standard for navigating
  editable text and it seems to me they didn't properly work it out.
  It has a bug when trying to navigate from left to right and this
  should be fixed as soon as possible, edit fields on web pages are
  important. I didn't have the time to investigate it thoroughly but
  from the info I got it seems it happens only in Safari.
I apologise if I wrote some terms incorectly, I don't use iPhone
  in English and I hope you'll get the point. Please report back if
  this is happening to you too. If it does I hope we can put some
  thoughts together and alert Apple about this.
Thanks and take care!



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