Re: Intercom for Sonos, HEOS ...

[Donna Casteen]

Janet, I used Alexa's Drop-In feature when I took my vacation to California. 
Once I reached my friends home, I connected to her wifi. I would drop in 
several times a day to listen for any unusual noises & our home door security 
alarms. We use the Ring video camera, which connects to Alexa & security alarms 
purchased from Home Depot. I like the drop in feature also, because I can drop 
in on my kids while I'm running errands, by using public wifis..

Donna

> 
> 
> Hello Sieghard and Richard,  
> I’m just now chiming in on this intercom, so if this has been answered 
> already,  please forgive!  Sieghard, you say you can be a mile away from 
> home, and tell Alexa drop in, can you see who is in your home, or is this 
> just for talking?  If so, this could be a good security. 
>  
>  
> Janet
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 12:41 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Intercom for Sonos, HEOS ...
>  
> Yes, there are actually multiple apps which can turn a Sonos system into an 
> intercom, but this is  not what I meant.
> I was referring specifically to Alexa Drop-In which works between speakers 
> like the Echo Dot, Show and so on, but I am pretty sure it still does not 
> work via Sonos.
> For me Drop-In via Alexa is a better system because it doesn’t only work just 
> when you are connected to your WiFi, I can sit in my office a mile away from 
> my house and say “Alexa, drop in to living room” and it instantly connects me 
> with our Alexa Show at home where I can then talk to my wife.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 10:18 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Intercom for Sonos, HEOS ...
>  
> This is a new thread in response to Joseph’s message about an app for turning 
> Sonos speakers into an intercom.
> It turns out, other speakers can be used as well.
> See below.
> I found this by searching for intercom Sonos iOS app store.
>  
>  
> Intercom for Sonos, HEOS ... 4+
> Intercom for WiFi Speakers
> Frontier App Limited
> Free with in-app purchases.
> IntercomWiFi Lifetime Service$1.99
> Description
> 
> Speaking into iPhone / iPad microphone on IntercomWiFi, IntercomWiFi can play 
> voice through WiFi speakers like a voice intercom.
>  
> 
> Sending message on IntercomWiFi, IntercomWiFi can broadcast the message 
> through WiFi speakers.
>  
> 
> Main Features:
> • Speak through WiFi speakers
> • Broadcast message via WiFi speakers
> • Support restoring playback
> • Support start tone
> • Support Mic reverb effect
> • Support message voice change
> • Support grouping WiFi speakers
> • Support dark mode
> • Support family sharing service
>  
> 
> IntercomWiFi supports WiFi speakers based on DLNA / UPnP, e.g., Sonos, Bose 
> SoundTouch, HEOS, etc.
>  
> 
> Please kindly let us know (supp...@intercomwifi.com) if you have any 
> question, suggestion or find a bug (crashes, unable to play sound, etc).
> Any feedback is welcome and we will try our best to improve IntercomWiFi!
> iOS app store link:
> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/intercom-for-sonos-heos/id1513685146
>  
>  
> Richard
> “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
> which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard
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Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in

[joseph hudson]

Hi Richard, I looked up the app, and it's just says intercom for Sonos. However 
whenever I clicked on it to share it with you, it did not let me connect to the 
App Store. So I am assuming that the app is no longer available on the App 
Store.

> On Aug 10, 2022, at 11:51 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Joseph,
> Lots of things come up when searching for intercom on the iOS app store.
> 
> Could you either give the link or the developer name?
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
> which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 礪
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of joseph 
> hudson
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 9:15 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility 
> Gravity Check-in
> 
> Wait a minute, before you go advertising that you can't use the intercom 
> feature via a Sonos speaker, actually you can. There's an app called 
> intercom, that works for the Sonos speakers. So if you have an iPhone or an 
> android, all you have to do is open up that app, and you can make 
> announcements all through your house on your Sonos system.
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2022, at 11:12 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> If you want to use Alexa frequently I suggest you go ahead and buy an Echo 
>> smart speaker. They are very inexpensive and will always be available when 
>> you say "Alexa" where is if you use Alexa on an iPhone you do still have to 
>> first open the Amazon Echo app. You can probably find plenty of 2nd or 3rd 
>> generation Echo Dot speaker for $10 or $20, I have a few of them and even 
>> the older larger ones which I really have to advertise and get rid of 
>> because we have Sonos throughout the house and while you still can't use the 
>> Intercom feature via a Sonos speaker, you can do anything else. For the 
>> living room we bought an Echo Show because we also have a Ring doorbell so 
>> all these 2nd and 3rd Echo speakers I have are just sitting in a box and I 
>> am sure that is true for many people.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Carolyn
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 6:19 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility 
>> Gravity Check-in
>> 
>> That is good news, sounds like the way to go, download Alexa, which I'll do, 
>> when we get moved. 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Donna Casteen
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 4:19 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility 
>> Gravity Check-in
>> 
>> Lisa, This is not true. The Amazon Alexa app can do Everything that an Alexa 
>> device can do. I have an old iPhone, which has no cellular service. The 
>> phone is connected to wifi only. I/we use the app ONLY to control smart 
>> lights & our Ring security camera. The Only thing that I do Not use the app 
>> for is adding items into my shopping cart & placing orders. I even make wifi 
>> calls using the app. A stand alone Amazon Alexa device is not necessary.
>> 
>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Hi, Carolyn.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If you just want to order and browse Amazon the app is fine.  If you want 
>>> to use smart lights and switches and such, you'll need Alexa.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hope this clears things up.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Lisa
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Lisa Belville
>>> missktlab1...@frontier.com
>>> 
 On 8/9/2022 8:40 AM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
 Knowing these things, I see no advantage to getting Alexa. Please correct 
 me, any of you, if this is incorrect.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] 
 On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 8:11 PM
 To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple 
 Accessibility Gravity Check-in
 
 I don't use any kind of smart lights, but I'm sure that will work with the 
 iPhone.  Good luck.
 
> On 8/8/22, Carolyn Arnold  wrote:
> That sounds great then, Joshua. I assume that the iPhone can work 
> with smart light switches?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 4:37 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple 
> Accessibility Gravity Check-in
> 
> I have the amazon shopping app on my iPhone.  You don't need the 
> Alexa app to do that.
> 
> On 8/8/22, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>> I'm not sure what you're asking, but you can use the Amazon app on 
>> your iPhone to place orders with Amazon. 

Re: Intercom for Sonos, HEOS ...

[joseph hudson]

Richard, I find that you need to be close to the Wi-Fi router in order to use 
it. That is part of the delay. It shouldn't be more than 10 seconds of a Joe 
delay. And as far as the drop in thing, yeah that would work better if you were 
away from home. I thought you guys were just wanting something to be able to 
communicate throughout a property that might have the same Wi-Fi net work.

> On Aug 10, 2022, at 12:36 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I am finding it isn’t worth paying for, or even for free.
> The delay from when you engage the microphone to when what you said goes over 
> the speakers is very long.
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
> which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard
>  
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com 
> 礪
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of joseph 
> hudson
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 10:33 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Intercom for Sonos, HEOS ...
>  
> Yes this is the app that I'm speaking of. I didn't know it could be used with 
> other speakers. Now here's how to figure out how that works. I'll have to 
> play with the app. I got it whenever it was free. I'm glad I got it whenever 
> I did.
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>> On Aug 10, 2022, at 12:17 PM, Richard Turner > > wrote:
>>  
>> This is a new thread in response to Joseph’s message about an app for 
>> turning Sonos speakers into an intercom.
>> It turns out, other speakers can be used as well.
>> See below.
>> I found this by searching for intercom Sonos iOS app store.
>>  
>>  
>> Intercom for Sonos, HEOS ... 4+
>> Intercom for WiFi Speakers
>> Frontier App Limited 
>> 
>> Free with in-app purchases.
>> IntercomWiFi Lifetime Service$1.99
>> Description
>> 
>> Speaking into iPhone / iPad microphone on IntercomWiFi, IntercomWiFi can 
>> play voice through WiFi speakers like a voice intercom.
>>  
>> 
>> Sending message on IntercomWiFi, IntercomWiFi can broadcast the message 
>> through WiFi speakers.
>>  
>> 
>> Main Features:
>> • Speak through WiFi speakers
>> • Broadcast message via WiFi speakers
>> • Support restoring playback
>> • Support start tone
>> • Support Mic reverb effect
>> • Support message voice change
>> • Support grouping WiFi speakers
>> • Support dark mode
>> • Support family sharing service
>>  
>> 
>> IntercomWiFi supports WiFi speakers based on DLNA / UPnP, e.g., Sonos, Bose 
>> SoundTouch, HEOS, etc.
>>  
>> 
>> Please kindly let us know (supp...@intercomwifi.com 
>> ) if you have any question, suggestion or 
>> find a bug (crashes, unable to play sound, etc).
>> Any feedback is welcome and we will try our best to improve IntercomWiFi!
>> iOS app store link:
>> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/intercom-for-sonos-heos/id1513685146 
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> Richard
>> “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of 
>> thought which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard
>>  
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com 
>> 礪
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RE: Intercom for Sonos, HEOS ...

[janet gross]

Hello Sieghard and Richard,
I’m just now chiming in on this intercom, so if this has been answered already, 
 please forgive!  Sieghard, you say you can be a mile away from home, and tell 
Alexa drop in, can you see who is in your home, or is this just for talking?  
If so, this could be a good security.


Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Intercom for Sonos, HEOS ...

Yes, there are actually multiple apps which can turn a Sonos system into an 
intercom, but this is  not what I meant.
I was referring specifically to Alexa Drop-In which works between speakers like 
the Echo Dot, Show and so on, but I am pretty sure it still does not work via 
Sonos.
For me Drop-In via Alexa is a better system because it doesn’t only work just 
when you are connected to your WiFi, I can sit in my office a mile away from my 
house and say “Alexa, drop in to living room” and it instantly connects me with 
our Alexa Show at home where I can then talk to my wife.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 10:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Intercom for Sonos, HEOS ...

This is a new thread in response to Joseph’s message about an app for turning 
Sonos speakers into an intercom.
It turns out, other speakers can be used as well.
See below.
I found this by searching for intercom Sonos iOS app store.


Intercom for Sonos, HEOS ... 4+
Intercom for WiFi Speakers
Frontier App 
Limited
Free with in-app purchases.
IntercomWiFi Lifetime Service$1.99
Description
Speaking into iPhone / iPad microphone on IntercomWiFi, IntercomWiFi can play 
voice through WiFi speakers like a voice intercom.

Sending message on IntercomWiFi, IntercomWiFi can broadcast the message through 
WiFi speakers.

Main Features:
• Speak through WiFi speakers
• Broadcast message via WiFi speakers
• Support restoring playback
• Support start tone
• Support Mic reverb effect
• Support message voice change
• Support grouping WiFi speakers
• Support dark mode
• Support family sharing service

IntercomWiFi supports WiFi speakers based on DLNA / UPnP, e.g., Sonos, Bose 
SoundTouch, HEOS, etc.

Please kindly let us know 
(supp...@intercomwifi.com) if you have any 
question, suggestion or find a bug (crashes, unable to play sound, etc).
Any feedback is welcome and we will try our best to improve IntercomWiFi!
iOS app store link:
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/intercom-for-sonos-heos/id1513685146


Richard
“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

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Re: Using Mail Drop

[Anna Dresner]

Hi,

Dropbox links work fine. I prefer Airdrop because it’s as simple as sending an 
attachment, the file doesn’t need to live in a service like Dropbox or iCloud 
taking up space, and it’s easy for the recipient to deal with as well.

Best,
Anna


> On Aug 10, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Shai  wrote:
> 
> Also, if the person has an Android phone then by default they do have
> access to Google services such as Drive etc. The file could be sent to
> them via Google Drive.
> 
> 
> On 8/9/22, Lisa Belville  wrote:
>> Hi, all.
>> 
>> 
>> I'm trying to send a 135 MB attachment to someone with an android
>> phone.  They don't do Drop box or any other sharing service.  If I use
>> mail drop and it's in iCloud, can they view the video?  I thought a link
>> was emailed to me that I could send.  Is this how mail drop works or do
>> I have it all wrong?
>> 
>> 
>> Lisa
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WalkAssist is back in the app store!

[Richard Turner]

Greetings,

The WalkAssist app is now back in the app store and has some improvements for 
newer phones where it had a slow response time.  You may find you have to 
redownload the app even if you have the old version still on your phone.

They are working on making it also work in Portrait mode.

Here is the description from the app store and the link.

Description

WalkAssist recognizes traffic related objects(crosswalk signal, crosswalk, and 
traffic signals) and alerts you through voice alerts.
 Use it with a harness 
for the best results. The voice will only work if your ringer is on. Note that 
the current version only works in landscape mode on most devices(this will be 
fixed soon in the next version). It is not a substitute for your orientation 
and mobility skills. It does not replace you current mobility aid, but is 
rather intended to act as an additional aid to enhance your orientation and 
navigation skills.

 

Please be aware of your surroundings while using the app. It is your 
responsibility to maintain your personal safety at all times while using 
WalkAssist.

more

What’s New

Version History, Jul 22, 2022,  Version 1.1

Increased frequency of voice alerts & problems with latest phone models not 
recognizing objects have been fixed

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/walkassist/id1615852366

 

Richard

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which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

 

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RE: Intercom for Sonos, HEOS ...

[Sieghard Weitzel]

For whatever it’s worth, I at one point had an app which I believe was called 
Sonovid or something like that and the Intercom via Sonos did work quite well 
but of course it was just announcement only because this was years ago when 
most of my speakers didn’t even have microphones. But as for delay, it was not 
really an issue, I could maybe hear a small amount of delay from when I spoke 
to when I heard it via the speakers, but nothing too much to worry about.

As for Sonos not supporting Alexa Drop-In, I wouldn’t be surprised if this was 
an Amazon restriction since I can’t imagine why Sonos wouldn’t want to offer 
this if Amazon allowed it, just a guess though.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 10:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Intercom for Sonos, HEOS ...

Sieghard,
Sonos still has no support for the Alexa Drop-in service.  That is really sad.

And, as you may have seen, my later note on this intercom for Sonos app points 
out that the delay using this app is ridiculous at best.

The Drop-in with Alexa makes it a true intercom that is without any delay that 
I’ve noticed.

Richard
“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

My web site: https://www.turner42.com
礪

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Intercom for Sonos, HEOS ...

Yes, there are actually multiple apps which can turn a Sonos system into an 
intercom, but this is  not what I meant.
I was referring specifically to Alexa Drop-In which works between speakers like 
the Echo Dot, Show and so on, but I am pretty sure it still does not work via 
Sonos.
For me Drop-In via Alexa is a better system because it doesn’t only work just 
when you are connected to your WiFi, I can sit in my office a mile away from my 
house and say “Alexa, drop in to living room” and it instantly connects me with 
our Alexa Show at home where I can then talk to my wife.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 10:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Intercom for Sonos, HEOS ...

This is a new thread in response to Joseph’s message about an app for turning 
Sonos speakers into an intercom.
It turns out, other speakers can be used as well.
See below.
I found this by searching for intercom Sonos iOS app store.


Intercom for Sonos, HEOS ... 4+
Intercom for WiFi Speakers
Frontier App 
Limited
Free with in-app purchases.
IntercomWiFi Lifetime Service$1.99
Description
Speaking into iPhone / iPad microphone on IntercomWiFi, IntercomWiFi can play 
voice through WiFi speakers like a voice intercom.

Sending message on IntercomWiFi, IntercomWiFi can broadcast the message through 
WiFi speakers.

Main Features:
• Speak through WiFi speakers
• Broadcast message via WiFi speakers
• Support restoring playback
• Support start tone
• Support Mic reverb effect
• Support message voice change
• Support grouping WiFi speakers
• Support dark mode
• Support family sharing service

IntercomWiFi supports WiFi speakers based on DLNA / UPnP, e.g., Sonos, Bose 
SoundTouch, HEOS, etc.

Please kindly let us know 
(supp...@intercomwifi.com) if you have any 
question, suggestion or find a bug (crashes, unable to play sound, etc).
Any feedback is welcome and we will try our best to improve IntercomWiFi!
iOS app store link:
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/intercom-for-sonos-heos/id1513685146


Richard
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which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

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RE: NFL audio on the iPhone

[Kevin Minor]

Hi.

The several seconds delay has been going on before digital technology was 
thought of. I remember hearing of it in the 1970’s. If something happened that 
the show didn’t want heard from a caller, the famous dump button was pressed, 
and there would either be a few seconds of dead air, or a tone would be 
broadcast to allow the delay system to be reset.

Now, nothing is really live on broadcast television, and this is true even on 
local stations. One thing I used to do was set my clocks to when a network 
broadcast started, and I remember the CBS television network broadcast a kind 
of ding when it was exactly the top of the hour. It’s not done anymore, and 
even if it were, it would be several seconds off. I noticed this change happen 
when all TV over the air stations went digital. I wish I had a shortwave 
receiver, because I’d like to find out how much a delay there is by comparing 
their transmission to good old WWV.

Have a blessed day and don’t work too hard.

Kevin, Valerie and Jilly

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
kheve...@fuse.net
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 2:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: NFL audio on the iPhone

Kevin, that’s my understanding as well.  If you have ever called a talk show 
and they put u on hold, you will typically hear that what is coming from your 
radio is delayed a few seconds from what you hear through your headset.  Seems 
like the delay happened shortly after janet jackson’s wardrobe malfunction 
during the superbowl some years back.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Kevin 
Minor
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 2:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: NFL audio on the iPhone

Hi.

I remember going to a college basketball game a few years ago. I thought it 
would be nice to take a radio with me to keep up with the action. It didn’t 
work. There was about a fifteen second delay between the action and what was 
heard on commercial radio. I wasn’t sure why, but this wasn’t an internet 
stream. I heard the possible reason why this was done, and it’s to protect the 
network from the FCC. If some unwanted words were said, with the way things 
are, it can be bleeped out, thanks to that delay. It’s why there’s a few second 
delay with talk shows.

This is what I remember hearing.

Have a blessed day and don’t work too hard.

Kevin, Valerie and Jilly

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 1:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: NFL audio on the iPhone

An Explanation For the Delay In Radio Streaming

  *   Link to the source is at the end.
  *
We are going to try to explain the delay experienced in internet radio 
streaming. The audio can be up to five minutes behind what comes out of the 
original streaming source. For example, I hear the audio on my monitor speakers 
in my home radio studio. I turn on a mobile device, internet radio or Bose Wave 
radio in another room and the audio is about a minute or two or three behind 
what's coming from the studio audio source. We will try to explain a reason 
why. The following information was obtained from Quora.com.
The most noticeable difference between a radio station's broadcast signal and 
its corresponding Internet stream or Internet only radio stations is a 
significant delay. The same program is likely to come out of your computer 
speakers as much as five minutes later than it comes out of your radio. 
Surprisingly, technology accounts for only about 5% of the lag. The other 95% 
is a result of arguments over paychecks. (Disclaimer: those numbers were 
entirely made up.)
LATENCY: a billion little traffic jams
When I play a song on my radio station, it zooms out to every nearby radio at 
the speed of light. But online, delivery is restricted to the speed of Internet 
— a relatively pokey journey that starts when my song gets converted into a 
package of networthy digits. That conversion takes a fraction of a second. 
Before it gets to your iPad, my song will pass through scores of other network 
devices that each hold it for additional fractions of seconds. And those tiny 
delays start to pile up.
My favorite demonstration for guests: I can talk into my studio mic, which is 
live on the radio — then turn on an Internet feed and hear what I just said 
sixty seconds earlier. In that amount of time, my radio voice has gone halfway 
to Mars, while my Internet voice has only made a round-trip to Cincinnati by 
way of Mountain View.
The world's most expensive machine is slower than light, and slightly faster 
than yelling.
UNIONS: pay or don’t play
The biggest source of audio delay has nothing to do with technology, and 
everything to do with paychecks. Traditionally, when actors were hired to be in 
a 

RE: NFL audio on the iPhone

[khevener]

Kevin, that’s my understanding as well.  If you have ever called a talk show 
and they put u on hold, you will typically hear that what is coming from your 
radio is delayed a few seconds from what you hear through your headset.  Seems 
like the delay happened shortly after janet jackson’s wardrobe malfunction 
during the superbowl some years back.  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kevin 
Minor
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 2:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: NFL audio on the iPhone

 

Hi.

 

I remember going to a college basketball game a few years ago. I thought it 
would be nice to take a radio with me to keep up with the action. It didn’t 
work. There was about a fifteen second delay between the action and what was 
heard on commercial radio. I wasn’t sure why, but this wasn’t an internet 
stream. I heard the possible reason why this was done, and it’s to protect the 
network from the FCC. If some unwanted words were said, with the way things 
are, it can be bleeped out, thanks to that delay. It’s why there’s a few second 
delay with talk shows.

 

This is what I remember hearing.

 

Have a blessed day and don’t work too hard.

 

Kevin, Valerie and Jilly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 1:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: NFL audio on the iPhone

 

An Explanation For the Delay In Radio Streaming

*   Link to the source is at the end.
*

We are going to try to explain the delay experienced in internet radio 
streaming. The audio can be up to five minutes behind what comes out of the 
original streaming source. For example, I hear the audio on my monitor speakers 
in my home radio studio. I turn on a mobile device, internet radio or Bose Wave 
radio in another room and the audio is about a minute or two or three behind 
what's coming from the studio audio source. We will try to explain a reason 
why. The following information was obtained from Quora.com.

The most noticeable difference between a radio station's broadcast signal and 
its corresponding Internet stream or Internet only radio stations is a 
significant delay. The same program is likely to come out of your computer 
speakers as much as five minutes later than it comes out of your radio. 
Surprisingly, technology accounts for only about 5% of the lag. The other 95% 
is a result of arguments over paychecks. (Disclaimer: those numbers were 
entirely made up.)

LATENCY: a billion little traffic jams

When I play a song on my radio station, it zooms out to every nearby radio at 
the speed of light. But online, delivery is restricted to the speed of Internet 
— a relatively pokey journey that starts when my song gets converted into a 
package of networthy digits. That conversion takes a fraction of a second. 
Before it gets to your iPad, my song will pass through scores of other network 
devices that each hold it for additional fractions of seconds. And those tiny 
delays start to pile up.

My favorite demonstration for guests: I can talk into my studio mic, which is 
live on the radio — then turn on an Internet feed and hear what I just said 
sixty seconds earlier. In that amount of time, my radio voice has gone halfway 
to Mars, while my Internet voice has only made a round-trip to Cincinnati by 
way of Mountain View.

The world's most expensive machine is slower than light, and slightly faster 
than yelling.

UNIONS: pay or don’t play

The biggest source of audio delay has nothing to do with technology, and 
everything to do with paychecks. Traditionally, when actors were hired to be in 
a commercial, the amount of money they got paid was roughly proportional to the 
number of people the commercial was expected to reach. Small towns paid small 
fees; national ad campaigns had big budgets and paid the fattest fees. 
Voiceover artists and their agents dreamed of working up to big juicy global 
endorsements.

Around the turn of the century, these actors had a wake-up call. Radio stations 
were starting to put their shows on the Internet. Commercials that had been 
created for single mid-sized cities were suddenly being played across the 
country. But the actors weren't getting the big national-spot fees their union 
had negotiated! Contracts were being violated. Lawsuits were threatened.

And radio stations knew they had a losing hand in this game. The law said that 
the union performers were owed much more money if their voices were broadly 
distributed. And where would that money come from? No station had yet figured 
out how to make a dime out of streaming radio.

The solution was one software upgrade away. Stations were already using 
computers to control playback of their audio. Developers created a feature that 
split the programming into two or more feeds. One would go to the broadcast 
transmitter, as 

RE: NFL audio on the iPhone

[Kevin Minor]

Hi.

I remember going to a college basketball game a few years ago. I thought it 
would be nice to take a radio with me to keep up with the action. It didn’t 
work. There was about a fifteen second delay between the action and what was 
heard on commercial radio. I wasn’t sure why, but this wasn’t an internet 
stream. I heard the possible reason why this was done, and it’s to protect the 
network from the FCC. If some unwanted words were said, with the way things 
are, it can be bleeped out, thanks to that delay. It’s why there’s a few second 
delay with talk shows.

This is what I remember hearing.

Have a blessed day and don’t work too hard.

Kevin, Valerie and Jilly

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 1:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: NFL audio on the iPhone

An Explanation For the Delay In Radio Streaming

  *   Link to the source is at the end.
  *
We are going to try to explain the delay experienced in internet radio 
streaming. The audio can be up to five minutes behind what comes out of the 
original streaming source. For example, I hear the audio on my monitor speakers 
in my home radio studio. I turn on a mobile device, internet radio or Bose Wave 
radio in another room and the audio is about a minute or two or three behind 
what's coming from the studio audio source. We will try to explain a reason 
why. The following information was obtained from Quora.com.
The most noticeable difference between a radio station's broadcast signal and 
its corresponding Internet stream or Internet only radio stations is a 
significant delay. The same program is likely to come out of your computer 
speakers as much as five minutes later than it comes out of your radio. 
Surprisingly, technology accounts for only about 5% of the lag. The other 95% 
is a result of arguments over paychecks. (Disclaimer: those numbers were 
entirely made up.)
LATENCY: a billion little traffic jams
When I play a song on my radio station, it zooms out to every nearby radio at 
the speed of light. But online, delivery is restricted to the speed of Internet 
— a relatively pokey journey that starts when my song gets converted into a 
package of networthy digits. That conversion takes a fraction of a second. 
Before it gets to your iPad, my song will pass through scores of other network 
devices that each hold it for additional fractions of seconds. And those tiny 
delays start to pile up.
My favorite demonstration for guests: I can talk into my studio mic, which is 
live on the radio — then turn on an Internet feed and hear what I just said 
sixty seconds earlier. In that amount of time, my radio voice has gone halfway 
to Mars, while my Internet voice has only made a round-trip to Cincinnati by 
way of Mountain View.
The world's most expensive machine is slower than light, and slightly faster 
than yelling.
UNIONS: pay or don’t play
The biggest source of audio delay has nothing to do with technology, and 
everything to do with paychecks. Traditionally, when actors were hired to be in 
a commercial, the amount of money they got paid was roughly proportional to the 
number of people the commercial was expected to reach. Small towns paid small 
fees; national ad campaigns had big budgets and paid the fattest fees. 
Voiceover artists and their agents dreamed of working up to big juicy global 
endorsements.
Around the turn of the century, these actors had a wake-up call. Radio stations 
were starting to put their shows on the Internet. Commercials that had been 
created for single mid-sized cities were suddenly being played across the 
country. But the actors weren't getting the big national-spot fees their union 
had negotiated! Contracts were being violated. Lawsuits were threatened.
And radio stations knew they had a losing hand in this game. The law said that 
the union performers were owed much more money if their voices were broadly 
distributed. And where would that money come from? No station had yet figured 
out how to make a dime out of streaming radio.
The solution was one software upgrade away. Stations were already using 
computers to control playback of their audio. Developers created a feature that 
split the programming into two or more feeds. One would go to the broadcast 
transmitter, as always. The others would go to the Internet. And this new 
software could block the commercials that were being played on the radio 
station, instantly substituting different audio.
SO THERE'S ROOM TO PLAY MORE MUSIC? Uh, no.
Problem solved. Ads created by SAG-AFTRA union members stayed exclusively on 
the radio, as before. As for the empty space left behind by the vanishing 
commercials, someone suggested that it could be filled with more music. 
Internet listeners would love it, this person said, and that might help this 
new service catch on and become big.
That person was promptly fired.
Station owners realized that they could replace the legally questionable 

RE: Intercom for Sonos, HEOS ...

[Richard Turner]

Sieghard,

Sonos still has no support for the Alexa Drop-in service.  That is really sad.

 

And, as you may have seen, my later note on this intercom for Sonos app points 
out that the delay using this app is ridiculous at best.

 

The Drop-in with Alexa makes it a true intercom that is without any delay that 
I’ve noticed.

 

Richard

“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

礪

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Intercom for Sonos, HEOS ...

 

Yes, there are actually multiple apps which can turn a Sonos system into an 
intercom, but this is  not what I meant.

I was referring specifically to Alexa Drop-In which works between speakers like 
the Echo Dot, Show and so on, but I am pretty sure it still does not work via 
Sonos.

For me Drop-In via Alexa is a better system because it doesn’t only work just 
when you are connected to your WiFi, I can sit in my office a mile away from my 
house and say “Alexa, drop in to living room” and it instantly connects me with 
our Alexa Show at home where I can then talk to my wife.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 10:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Intercom for Sonos, HEOS ...

 

This is a new thread in response to Joseph’s message about an app for turning 
Sonos speakers into an intercom.

It turns out, other speakers can be used as well.

See below.


I found this by searching for intercom Sonos iOS app store.


 


 


Intercom for Sonos, HEOS ... 4+


Intercom for WiFi Speakers


  
Frontier App Limited


Free with in-app purchases.

IntercomWiFi Lifetime Service$1.99

Description

Speaking into iPhone / iPad microphone on IntercomWiFi, IntercomWiFi can play 
voice through WiFi speakers like a voice intercom.

 

Sending message on IntercomWiFi, IntercomWiFi can broadcast the message through 
WiFi speakers.

 

Main Features:

• Speak through WiFi speakers

• Broadcast message via WiFi speakers

• Support restoring playback

• Support start tone

• Support Mic reverb effect

• Support message voice change

• Support grouping WiFi speakers

• Support dark mode

• Support family sharing service

 

IntercomWiFi supports WiFi speakers based on DLNA / UPnP, e.g., Sonos, Bose 
SoundTouch, HEOS, etc.

 

Please kindly let us know (supp...@intercomwifi.com 
 ) if you have any question, suggestion or 
find a bug (crashes, unable to play sound, etc).

Any feedback is welcome and we will try our best to improve IntercomWiFi!

iOS app store link:

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/intercom-for-sonos-heos/id1513685146

 

 

Richard

“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com  

礪

 

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RE: Intercom for Sonos, HEOS ...

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Yes, there are actually multiple apps which can turn a Sonos system into an 
intercom, but this is  not what I meant.
I was referring specifically to Alexa Drop-In which works between speakers like 
the Echo Dot, Show and so on, but I am pretty sure it still does not work via 
Sonos.
For me Drop-In via Alexa is a better system because it doesn’t only work just 
when you are connected to your WiFi, I can sit in my office a mile away from my 
house and say “Alexa, drop in to living room” and it instantly connects me with 
our Alexa Show at home where I can then talk to my wife.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 10:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Intercom for Sonos, HEOS ...

This is a new thread in response to Joseph’s message about an app for turning 
Sonos speakers into an intercom.
It turns out, other speakers can be used as well.
See below.
I found this by searching for intercom Sonos iOS app store.


Intercom for Sonos, HEOS ... 4+
Intercom for WiFi Speakers
Frontier App 
Limited
Free with in-app purchases.
IntercomWiFi Lifetime Service$1.99
Description
Speaking into iPhone / iPad microphone on IntercomWiFi, IntercomWiFi can play 
voice through WiFi speakers like a voice intercom.

Sending message on IntercomWiFi, IntercomWiFi can broadcast the message through 
WiFi speakers.

Main Features:
• Speak through WiFi speakers
• Broadcast message via WiFi speakers
• Support restoring playback
• Support start tone
• Support Mic reverb effect
• Support message voice change
• Support grouping WiFi speakers
• Support dark mode
• Support family sharing service

IntercomWiFi supports WiFi speakers based on DLNA / UPnP, e.g., Sonos, Bose 
SoundTouch, HEOS, etc.

Please kindly let us know 
(supp...@intercomwifi.com) if you have any 
question, suggestion or find a bug (crashes, unable to play sound, etc).
Any feedback is welcome and we will try our best to improve IntercomWiFi!
iOS app store link:
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/intercom-for-sonos-heos/id1513685146


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which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

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RE: Intercom for Sonos, HEOS ...

[Richard Turner]

I am finding it isn’t worth paying for, or even for free.

The delay from when you engage the microphone to when what you said goes over 
the speakers is very long.

 

 

 

Richard

“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

礪

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of joseph 
hudson
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 10:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Intercom for Sonos, HEOS ...

 

Yes this is the app that I'm speaking of. I didn't know it could be used with 
other speakers. Now here's how to figure out how that works. I'll have to play 
with the app. I got it whenever it was free. I'm glad I got it whenever I did.

Joseph Hudson

 

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On Aug 10, 2022, at 12:17 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

 

This is a new thread in response to Joseph’s message about an app for turning 
Sonos speakers into an intercom.

It turns out, other speakers can be used as well.

See below.


I found this by searching for intercom Sonos iOS app store.


 


 


Intercom for Sonos, HEOS ... 4+


Intercom for WiFi Speakers


  
Frontier App Limited


Free with in-app purchases.

IntercomWiFi Lifetime Service$1.99

Description

Speaking into iPhone / iPad microphone on IntercomWiFi, IntercomWiFi can play 
voice through WiFi speakers like a voice intercom.

 

Sending message on IntercomWiFi, IntercomWiFi can broadcast the message through 
WiFi speakers.

 

Main Features:

• Speak through WiFi speakers

• Broadcast message via WiFi speakers

• Support restoring playback

• Support start tone

• Support Mic reverb effect

• Support message voice change

• Support grouping WiFi speakers

• Support dark mode

• Support family sharing service

 

IntercomWiFi supports WiFi speakers based on DLNA / UPnP, e.g., Sonos, Bose 
SoundTouch, HEOS, etc.

 

Please kindly let us know (  
supp...@intercomwifi.com) if you have any question, suggestion or find a bug 
(crashes, unable to play sound, etc).

Any feedback is welcome and we will try our best to improve IntercomWiFi!

iOS app store link:

  
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/intercom-for-sonos-heos/id1513685146

 

 

Richard

“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

礪

 

 

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Re: Intercom for Sonos, HEOS ...

[joseph hudson]

Yes this is the app that I'm speaking of. I didn't know it could be used with 
other speakers. Now here's how to figure out how that works. I'll have to play 
with the app. I got it whenever it was free. I'm glad I got it whenever I did.
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> On Aug 10, 2022, at 12:17 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> This is a new thread in response to Joseph’s message about an app for turning 
> Sonos speakers into an intercom.
> It turns out, other speakers can be used as well.
> See below.
> I found this by searching for intercom Sonos iOS app store.
>  
>  
> Intercom for Sonos, HEOS ... 4+
> Intercom for WiFi Speakers
> Frontier App Limited 
> 
> Free with in-app purchases.
> IntercomWiFi Lifetime Service$1.99
> Description
> 
> Speaking into iPhone / iPad microphone on IntercomWiFi, IntercomWiFi can play 
> voice through WiFi speakers like a voice intercom.
>  
> 
> Sending message on IntercomWiFi, IntercomWiFi can broadcast the message 
> through WiFi speakers.
>  
> 
> Main Features:
> • Speak through WiFi speakers
> • Broadcast message via WiFi speakers
> • Support restoring playback
> • Support start tone
> • Support Mic reverb effect
> • Support message voice change
> • Support grouping WiFi speakers
> • Support dark mode
> • Support family sharing service
>  
> 
> IntercomWiFi supports WiFi speakers based on DLNA / UPnP, e.g., Sonos, Bose 
> SoundTouch, HEOS, etc.
>  
> 
> Please kindly let us know (supp...@intercomwifi.com 
> ) if you have any question, suggestion or 
> find a bug (crashes, unable to play sound, etc).
> Any feedback is welcome and we will try our best to improve IntercomWiFi!
> iOS app store link:
> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/intercom-for-sonos-heos/id1513685146 
> 
>  
>  
> Richard
> “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
> which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard
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> My web site: https://www.turner42.com 
> 礪
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Intercom for Sonos, HEOS ...

[Richard Turner]

This is a new thread in response to Joseph’s message about an app for turning 
Sonos speakers into an intercom.

It turns out, other speakers can be used as well.

See below.


I found this by searching for intercom Sonos iOS app store.


 


 


Intercom for Sonos, HEOS ... 4+


Intercom for WiFi Speakers


  
Frontier App Limited


Free with in-app purchases.

IntercomWiFi Lifetime Service$1.99

Description

Speaking into iPhone / iPad microphone on IntercomWiFi, IntercomWiFi can play 
voice through WiFi speakers like a voice intercom.

 

Sending message on IntercomWiFi, IntercomWiFi can broadcast the message through 
WiFi speakers.

 

Main Features:

• Speak through WiFi speakers

• Broadcast message via WiFi speakers

• Support restoring playback

• Support start tone

• Support Mic reverb effect

• Support message voice change

• Support grouping WiFi speakers

• Support dark mode

• Support family sharing service

 

IntercomWiFi supports WiFi speakers based on DLNA / UPnP, e.g., Sonos, Bose 
SoundTouch, HEOS, etc.

 

Please kindly let us know (supp...@intercomwifi.com 
 ) if you have any question, suggestion or 
find a bug (crashes, unable to play sound, etc).

Any feedback is welcome and we will try our best to improve IntercomWiFi!

iOS app store link:

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/intercom-for-sonos-heos/id1513685146

 

 

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which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

 

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Re: Using Mail Drop

[Shai]

Also, if the person has an Android phone then by default they do have
access to Google services such as Drive etc. The file could be sent to
them via Google Drive.


On 8/9/22, Lisa Belville  wrote:
> Hi, all.
>
>
> I'm trying to send a 135 MB attachment to someone with an android
> phone.  They don't do Drop box or any other sharing service.  If I use
> mail drop and it's in iCloud, can they view the video?  I thought a link
> was emailed to me that I could send.  Is this how mail drop works or do
> I have it all wrong?
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RE: NFL audio on the iPhone

[Richard Turner]

An Explanation For the Delay In Radio Streaming

*   Link to the source is at the end.
*

We are going to try to explain the delay experienced in internet radio 
streaming. The audio can be up to five minutes behind what comes out of the 
original streaming source. For example, I hear the audio on my monitor speakers 
in my home radio studio. I turn on a mobile device, internet radio or Bose Wave 
radio in another room and the audio is about a minute or two or three behind 
what's coming from the studio audio source. We will try to explain a reason 
why. The following information was obtained from Quora.com.

The most noticeable difference between a radio station's broadcast signal and 
its corresponding Internet stream or Internet only radio stations is a 
significant delay. The same program is likely to come out of your computer 
speakers as much as five minutes later than it comes out of your radio. 
Surprisingly, technology accounts for only about 5% of the lag. The other 95% 
is a result of arguments over paychecks. (Disclaimer: those numbers were 
entirely made up.)

LATENCY: a billion little traffic jams

When I play a song on my radio station, it zooms out to every nearby radio at 
the speed of light. But online, delivery is restricted to the speed of Internet 
— a relatively pokey journey that starts when my song gets converted into a 
package of networthy digits. That conversion takes a fraction of a second. 
Before it gets to your iPad, my song will pass through scores of other network 
devices that each hold it for additional fractions of seconds. And those tiny 
delays start to pile up.

My favorite demonstration for guests: I can talk into my studio mic, which is 
live on the radio — then turn on an Internet feed and hear what I just said 
sixty seconds earlier. In that amount of time, my radio voice has gone halfway 
to Mars, while my Internet voice has only made a round-trip to Cincinnati by 
way of Mountain View.

The world's most expensive machine is slower than light, and slightly faster 
than yelling.

UNIONS: pay or don’t play

The biggest source of audio delay has nothing to do with technology, and 
everything to do with paychecks. Traditionally, when actors were hired to be in 
a commercial, the amount of money they got paid was roughly proportional to the 
number of people the commercial was expected to reach. Small towns paid small 
fees; national ad campaigns had big budgets and paid the fattest fees. 
Voiceover artists and their agents dreamed of working up to big juicy global 
endorsements.

Around the turn of the century, these actors had a wake-up call. Radio stations 
were starting to put their shows on the Internet. Commercials that had been 
created for single mid-sized cities were suddenly being played across the 
country. But the actors weren't getting the big national-spot fees their union 
had negotiated! Contracts were being violated. Lawsuits were threatened.

And radio stations knew they had a losing hand in this game. The law said that 
the union performers were owed much more money if their voices were broadly 
distributed. And where would that money come from? No station had yet figured 
out how to make a dime out of streaming radio.

The solution was one software upgrade away. Stations were already using 
computers to control playback of their audio. Developers created a feature that 
split the programming into two or more feeds. One would go to the broadcast 
transmitter, as always. The others would go to the Internet. And this new 
software could block the commercials that were being played on the radio 
station, instantly substituting different audio.

SO THERE'S ROOM TO PLAY MORE MUSIC? Uh, no.

Problem solved. Ads created by SAG-AFTRA union members stayed exclusively on 
the radio, as before. As for the empty space left behind by the vanishing 
commercials, someone suggested that it could be filled with more music. 
Internet listeners would love it, this person said, and that might help this 
new service catch on and become big.

That person was promptly fired.

Station owners realized that they could replace the legally questionable 
commercials with other commercials. They could sell these online commercials 
and create an entirely new stream of revenue that might have unlimited growth 
potential. Because if there's anything consumers love, it's more commercials.

AND JUST HOW DOES THIS ANSWER THE ORIGINAL QUESTION?

Oh, right. The differences between broadcast and Internet streams. Well, in 
practice, it shakes out like this:



*The Internet commercial breaks are always longer than the broadcast 
radio breaks. It's basic math. The online commercial break can never be shorter 
than the broadcast commercial break. You don't want to jump back to regular 
programming before the regular program is there. But your Internet commercial 
break CAN run longer. Listeners won't miss anything. The program gets stored in 
a delay buffer, so it 

RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in

[Richard Turner]

Joseph,
Lots of things come up when searching for intercom on the iOS app store.

Could you either give the link or the developer name?



Richard
“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

My web site: https://www.turner42.com
礪

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of joseph 
hudson
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 9:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity 
Check-in

Wait a minute, before you go advertising that you can't use the intercom 
feature via a Sonos speaker, actually you can. There's an app called intercom, 
that works for the Sonos speakers. So if you have an iPhone or an android, all 
you have to do is open up that app, and you can make announcements all through 
your house on your Sonos system.

> On Aug 10, 2022, at 11:12 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> If you want to use Alexa frequently I suggest you go ahead and buy an Echo 
> smart speaker. They are very inexpensive and will always be available when 
> you say "Alexa" where is if you use Alexa on an iPhone you do still have to 
> first open the Amazon Echo app. You can probably find plenty of 2nd or 3rd 
> generation Echo Dot speaker for $10 or $20, I have a few of them and even the 
> older larger ones which I really have to advertise and get rid of because we 
> have Sonos throughout the house and while you still can't use the Intercom 
> feature via a Sonos speaker, you can do anything else. For the living room we 
> bought an Echo Show because we also have a Ring doorbell so all these 2nd and 
> 3rd Echo speakers I have are just sitting in a box and I am sure that is true 
> for many people.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 6:19 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility 
> Gravity Check-in
> 
> That is good news, sounds like the way to go, download Alexa, which I'll do, 
> when we get moved. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Donna Casteen
> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 4:19 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility 
> Gravity Check-in
> 
> Lisa, This is not true. The Amazon Alexa app can do Everything that an Alexa 
> device can do. I have an old iPhone, which has no cellular service. The phone 
> is connected to wifi only. I/we use the app ONLY to control smart lights & 
> our Ring security camera. The Only thing that I do Not use the app for is 
> adding items into my shopping cart & placing orders. I even make wifi calls 
> using the app. A stand alone Amazon Alexa device is not necessary.
> 
> Donna
>> 
>> Hi, Carolyn.
>> 
>> 
>> If you just want to order and browse Amazon the app is fine.  If you want to 
>> use smart lights and switches and such, you'll need Alexa.
>> 
>> 
>> Hope this clears things up.
>> 
>> 
>> Lisa
>> 
>> 
>> Lisa Belville
>> missktlab1...@frontier.com
>> 
>>> On 8/9/2022 8:40 AM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
>>> Knowing these things, I see no advantage to getting Alexa. Please correct 
>>> me, any of you, if this is incorrect.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] 
>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson
>>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 8:11 PM
>>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple 
>>> Accessibility Gravity Check-in
>>> 
>>> I don't use any kind of smart lights, but I'm sure that will work with the 
>>> iPhone.  Good luck.
>>> 
 On 8/8/22, Carolyn Arnold  wrote:
 That sounds great then, Joshua. I assume that the iPhone can work 
 with smart light switches?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 4:37 PM
 To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple 
 Accessibility Gravity Check-in
 
 I have the amazon shopping app on my iPhone.  You don't need the 
 Alexa app to do that.
 
 On 8/8/22, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> I'm not sure what you're asking, but you can use the Amazon app on 
> your iPhone to place orders with Amazon. I'd also assume you could 
> use the Alexa app on your iPhone to also place an Amazon order.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 12:01 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple 
> Accessibility Gravity 

RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in

[Richard Turner]

You can if you open the Amazon Alexa app first and have it set to be listening.

But, no, you cannot just say that because the app is on the phone.



Richard
“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

My web site: https://www.turner42.com
礪

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 9:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity 
Check-in

So, with it downloaded on the iPhone, you can't say, Alexa, how far is it from 
here to there? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 12:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity 
Check-in

If you want to use Alexa frequently I suggest you go ahead and buy an Echo 
smart speaker. They are very inexpensive and will always be available when you 
say "Alexa" where is if you use Alexa on an iPhone you do still have to first 
open the Amazon Echo app. You can probably find plenty of 2nd or 3rd generation 
Echo Dot speaker for $10 or $20, I have a few of them and even the older larger 
ones which I really have to advertise and get rid of because we have Sonos 
throughout the house and while you still can't use the Intercom feature via a 
Sonos speaker, you can do anything else. For the living room we bought an Echo 
Show because we also have a Ring doorbell so all these 2nd and 3rd Echo 
speakers I have are just sitting in a box and I am sure that is true for many 
people.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 6:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity 
Check-in

That is good news, sounds like the way to go, download Alexa, which I'll do, 
when we get moved. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Donna Casteen
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 4:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity 
Check-in

Lisa, This is not true. The Amazon Alexa app can do Everything that an Alexa 
device can do. I have an old iPhone, which has no cellular service. The phone 
is connected to wifi only. I/we use the app ONLY to control smart lights & our 
Ring security camera. The Only thing that I do Not use the app for is adding 
items into my shopping cart & placing orders. I even make wifi calls using the 
app. A stand alone Amazon Alexa device is not necessary.

Donna 
> 
> Hi, Carolyn.
> 
> 
> If you just want to order and browse Amazon the app is fine.  If you want to 
> use smart lights and switches and such, you'll need Alexa.
> 
> 
> Hope this clears things up.
> 
> 
> Lisa
> 
> 
> Lisa Belville
> missktlab1...@frontier.com
> 
>> On 8/9/2022 8:40 AM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
>> Knowing these things, I see no advantage to getting Alexa. Please correct 
>> me, any of you, if this is incorrect.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson
>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 8:11 PM
>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple 
>> Accessibility Gravity Check-in
>> 
>> I don't use any kind of smart lights, but I'm sure that will work with the 
>> iPhone.  Good luck.
>> 
>>> On 8/8/22, Carolyn Arnold  wrote:
>>> That sounds great then, Joshua. I assume that the iPhone can work 
>>> with smart light switches?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson
>>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 4:37 PM
>>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple 
>>> Accessibility Gravity Check-in
>>> 
>>> I have the amazon shopping app on my iPhone.  You don't need the 
>>> Alexa app to do that.
>>> 
>>> On 8/8/22, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
 I'm not sure what you're asking, but you can use the Amazon app on 
 your iPhone to place orders with Amazon. I'd also assume you could 
 use the Alexa app on your iPhone to also place an Amazon order.
 
 --
 Christopher (AKA CJ)
 Chaltain at Outlook
 
 -Original Message-
 From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On 
 Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 12:01 PM
 To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple 
 Accessibility Gravity Check-in
 
 Can you do Amazon ordering with the iPhone without Alexa?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: vipho...@googlegroups.com 

FW: [tech-vi Announce List] For iOS Users: How to Scan a QR Code with the Camera App: Rita's iDevice Advice for August 8, 2022

[Richard Turner]

For those wanting more info about scanning QR codes...

-Original Message-
From: tech...@groups.io  On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 6:04 PM
To: Tech-VI Announcement List 
Subject: [tech-vi Announce List] For iOS Users: How to Scan a QR Code with
the Camera App: Rita's iDevice Advice for August 8, 2022

From: ttjt...@groups.io  On Behalf Of Rita Howells


How to Scan a QR Code with the Camera App:  Rita's iDevice Advice for August
8, 2022

Definitions:  Bar Code, or QR code?
The main difference between barcodes and QR codes is one of physical
dimensions. Barcodes can be scanned in a line. This means that data is
limited to what can be placed in that one stretch of stripes. QR codes, on
the other hand, add another dimension from which information can be written
and scanned.
While a barcode only holds information in the horizontal direction, a QR
code does hold information in both horizontal and vertical directions. Due
to this, a QR code holds hundreds of times more information than a barcode.
Although both QR codes and barcodes serve the basic purpose of storing
information about a particular product or organization, there are some major
differences between them.
One of the biggest differences comes in terms of the differences between
their design or simply how they look.
Bar codes have been around for more than a few decades, QR codes have only
been a "trend" since the beginning of the last decade, thanks to the boom in
smartphone absorption among consumers. It seems that QR codes will remain
until the popularity of augmented reality produces a completely different
coding system.
Note:  When running VoiceOver, perform a one finger double tap gesture when
the directions say to tap 

QR codes usually appear as encoded black and white squares that, when
scanned, present more information on a topic in the form on a web-page,
contact information, video, etc.

Open the Settings app, and tap Camera.
Make sure Scan QR Codes is toggled on.
Open the Camera app.
Hold your phone over the QR code so that it's centered in the frame.
A banner notification will appear and tell you what the QR code opens and in
what app.
Tap on the notification if you want to open the QR code's link.

Note:  You can add the "Code Scanner" to the Control Center for easier
access to scan QR codes.  Go to Settings, Control Center and choose Code
Scanner to show up in the Control Center on your Apple iOS Device.


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RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in

[Carolyn]

So, with it downloaded on the iPhone, you can't say, Alexa, how far is it from 
here to there? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 12:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity 
Check-in

If you want to use Alexa frequently I suggest you go ahead and buy an Echo 
smart speaker. They are very inexpensive and will always be available when you 
say "Alexa" where is if you use Alexa on an iPhone you do still have to first 
open the Amazon Echo app. You can probably find plenty of 2nd or 3rd generation 
Echo Dot speaker for $10 or $20, I have a few of them and even the older larger 
ones which I really have to advertise and get rid of because we have Sonos 
throughout the house and while you still can't use the Intercom feature via a 
Sonos speaker, you can do anything else. For the living room we bought an Echo 
Show because we also have a Ring doorbell so all these 2nd and 3rd Echo 
speakers I have are just sitting in a box and I am sure that is true for many 
people.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 6:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity 
Check-in

That is good news, sounds like the way to go, download Alexa, which I'll do, 
when we get moved. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Donna Casteen
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 4:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity 
Check-in

Lisa, This is not true. The Amazon Alexa app can do Everything that an Alexa 
device can do. I have an old iPhone, which has no cellular service. The phone 
is connected to wifi only. I/we use the app ONLY to control smart lights & our 
Ring security camera. The Only thing that I do Not use the app for is adding 
items into my shopping cart & placing orders. I even make wifi calls using the 
app. A stand alone Amazon Alexa device is not necessary.

Donna 
> 
> Hi, Carolyn.
> 
> 
> If you just want to order and browse Amazon the app is fine.  If you want to 
> use smart lights and switches and such, you'll need Alexa.
> 
> 
> Hope this clears things up.
> 
> 
> Lisa
> 
> 
> Lisa Belville
> missktlab1...@frontier.com
> 
>> On 8/9/2022 8:40 AM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
>> Knowing these things, I see no advantage to getting Alexa. Please correct 
>> me, any of you, if this is incorrect.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson
>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 8:11 PM
>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple 
>> Accessibility Gravity Check-in
>> 
>> I don't use any kind of smart lights, but I'm sure that will work with the 
>> iPhone.  Good luck.
>> 
>>> On 8/8/22, Carolyn Arnold  wrote:
>>> That sounds great then, Joshua. I assume that the iPhone can work 
>>> with smart light switches?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson
>>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 4:37 PM
>>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple 
>>> Accessibility Gravity Check-in
>>> 
>>> I have the amazon shopping app on my iPhone.  You don't need the 
>>> Alexa app to do that.
>>> 
>>> On 8/8/22, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
 I'm not sure what you're asking, but you can use the Amazon app on 
 your iPhone to place orders with Amazon. I'd also assume you could 
 use the Alexa app on your iPhone to also place an Amazon order.
 
 --
 Christopher (AKA CJ)
 Chaltain at Outlook
 
 -Original Message-
 From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On 
 Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 12:01 PM
 To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple 
 Accessibility Gravity Check-in
 
 Can you do Amazon ordering with the iPhone without Alexa?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Richard Turner
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 11:30 AM
 To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple 
 Accessibility Gravity Check-in
 
 You can order with the app, but be very careful that it is adding 
 the correct item to your cart.
 Also, be careful when using your phone with the app listening or a 
 device listening, because if it hears your phone say something 
 like, I can add the roborock vacuum to your cart; you may find that 
 

Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in

[joseph hudson]

Wait a minute, before you go advertising that you can't use the intercom 
feature via a Sonos speaker, actually you can. There's an app called intercom, 
that works for the Sonos speakers. So if you have an iPhone or an android, all 
you have to do is open up that app, and you can make announcements all through 
your house on your Sonos system.

> On Aug 10, 2022, at 11:12 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> If you want to use Alexa frequently I suggest you go ahead and buy an Echo 
> smart speaker. They are very inexpensive and will always be available when 
> you say "Alexa" where is if you use Alexa on an iPhone you do still have to 
> first open the Amazon Echo app. You can probably find plenty of 2nd or 3rd 
> generation Echo Dot speaker for $10 or $20, I have a few of them and even the 
> older larger ones which I really have to advertise and get rid of because we 
> have Sonos throughout the house and while you still can't use the Intercom 
> feature via a Sonos speaker, you can do anything else. For the living room we 
> bought an Echo Show because we also have a Ring doorbell so all these 2nd and 
> 3rd Echo speakers I have are just sitting in a box and I am sure that is true 
> for many people.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 6:19 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility 
> Gravity Check-in
> 
> That is good news, sounds like the way to go, download Alexa, which I'll do, 
> when we get moved. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Donna Casteen
> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 4:19 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility 
> Gravity Check-in
> 
> Lisa, This is not true. The Amazon Alexa app can do Everything that an Alexa 
> device can do. I have an old iPhone, which has no cellular service. The phone 
> is connected to wifi only. I/we use the app ONLY to control smart lights & 
> our Ring security camera. The Only thing that I do Not use the app for is 
> adding items into my shopping cart & placing orders. I even make wifi calls 
> using the app. A stand alone Amazon Alexa device is not necessary.
> 
> Donna 
>> 
>> Hi, Carolyn.
>> 
>> 
>> If you just want to order and browse Amazon the app is fine.  If you want to 
>> use smart lights and switches and such, you'll need Alexa.
>> 
>> 
>> Hope this clears things up.
>> 
>> 
>> Lisa
>> 
>> 
>> Lisa Belville
>> missktlab1...@frontier.com
>> 
>>> On 8/9/2022 8:40 AM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
>>> Knowing these things, I see no advantage to getting Alexa. Please correct 
>>> me, any of you, if this is incorrect.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson
>>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 8:11 PM
>>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple 
>>> Accessibility Gravity Check-in
>>> 
>>> I don't use any kind of smart lights, but I'm sure that will work with the 
>>> iPhone.  Good luck.
>>> 
 On 8/8/22, Carolyn Arnold  wrote:
 That sounds great then, Joshua. I assume that the iPhone can work 
 with smart light switches?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 4:37 PM
 To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple 
 Accessibility Gravity Check-in
 
 I have the amazon shopping app on my iPhone.  You don't need the 
 Alexa app to do that.
 
 On 8/8/22, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> I'm not sure what you're asking, but you can use the Amazon app on 
> your iPhone to place orders with Amazon. I'd also assume you could 
> use the Alexa app on your iPhone to also place an Amazon order.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 12:01 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple 
> Accessibility Gravity Check-in
> 
> Can you do Amazon ordering with the iPhone without Alexa?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 11:30 AM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple 
> Accessibility Gravity Check-in
> 
> You can order with the app, but be very careful that it is adding 
> the correct item to your cart.
> Also, be careful when using your 

RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If you want to use Alexa frequently I suggest you go ahead and buy an Echo 
smart speaker. They are very inexpensive and will always be available when you 
say "Alexa" where is if you use Alexa on an iPhone you do still have to first 
open the Amazon Echo app. You can probably find plenty of 2nd or 3rd generation 
Echo Dot speaker for $10 or $20, I have a few of them and even the older larger 
ones which I really have to advertise and get rid of because we have Sonos 
throughout the house and while you still can't use the Intercom feature via a 
Sonos speaker, you can do anything else. For the living room we bought an Echo 
Show because we also have a Ring doorbell so all these 2nd and 3rd Echo 
speakers I have are just sitting in a box and I am sure that is true for many 
people.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 6:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity 
Check-in

That is good news, sounds like the way to go, download Alexa, which I'll do, 
when we get moved. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Donna Casteen
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 4:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity 
Check-in

Lisa, This is not true. The Amazon Alexa app can do Everything that an Alexa 
device can do. I have an old iPhone, which has no cellular service. The phone 
is connected to wifi only. I/we use the app ONLY to control smart lights & our 
Ring security camera. The Only thing that I do Not use the app for is adding 
items into my shopping cart & placing orders. I even make wifi calls using the 
app. A stand alone Amazon Alexa device is not necessary.

Donna 
> 
> Hi, Carolyn.
> 
> 
> If you just want to order and browse Amazon the app is fine.  If you want to 
> use smart lights and switches and such, you'll need Alexa.
> 
> 
> Hope this clears things up.
> 
> 
> Lisa
> 
> 
> Lisa Belville
> missktlab1...@frontier.com
> 
>> On 8/9/2022 8:40 AM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
>> Knowing these things, I see no advantage to getting Alexa. Please correct 
>> me, any of you, if this is incorrect.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson
>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 8:11 PM
>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple 
>> Accessibility Gravity Check-in
>> 
>> I don't use any kind of smart lights, but I'm sure that will work with the 
>> iPhone.  Good luck.
>> 
>>> On 8/8/22, Carolyn Arnold  wrote:
>>> That sounds great then, Joshua. I assume that the iPhone can work 
>>> with smart light switches?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson
>>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 4:37 PM
>>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple 
>>> Accessibility Gravity Check-in
>>> 
>>> I have the amazon shopping app on my iPhone.  You don't need the 
>>> Alexa app to do that.
>>> 
>>> On 8/8/22, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
 I'm not sure what you're asking, but you can use the Amazon app on 
 your iPhone to place orders with Amazon. I'd also assume you could 
 use the Alexa app on your iPhone to also place an Amazon order.
 
 --
 Christopher (AKA CJ)
 Chaltain at Outlook
 
 -Original Message-
 From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On 
 Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 12:01 PM
 To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple 
 Accessibility Gravity Check-in
 
 Can you do Amazon ordering with the iPhone without Alexa?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Richard Turner
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 11:30 AM
 To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple 
 Accessibility Gravity Check-in
 
 You can order with the app, but be very careful that it is adding 
 the correct item to your cart.
 Also, be careful when using your phone with the app listening or a 
 device listening, because if it hears your phone say something 
 like, I can add the roborock vacuum to your cart; you may find that 
 item is now in your cart.
 It took a bit of work to get it out of the cart.
 
 
 
 Richard
 “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom 
 of thought which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard
 
 My web site:
 https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
 

RE: Using Mail Drop

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Somebody doesn't have to be a Dropbox user in order for you to send them an 
email with a link to download a large attachment.
All you have to do is save the file in your Dropbox, then right click on it and 
select the option to "Copy Dropbox Link".
I usually add one additional step because by default if you send somebody the 
link as it is the file opens instead of downloading so if you send them, for 
example, a video file it would start playing.
If you were to paste the link into Notepad you would find that there is always 
a 0 at the end of it and if you delete that 0 and replace it with a 1, then 
copy the link again and paste it into an email the file would actually 
automatically download to the downloads folder of whoever you send the email 
to. Of course they still have to open the email and click on the link.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lisa 
Belville
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 12:51 PM
To: V I Phone 
Subject: Using Mail Drop

Hi, all.


I'm trying to send a 135 MB attachment to someone with an android phone.  They 
don't do Drop box or any other sharing service.  If I use mail drop and it's in 
iCloud, can they view the video?  I thought a link was emailed to me that I 
could send.  Is this how mail drop works or do I have it all wrong?


Lisa


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RE: help with Kings corner app please

[MamaPeach]

I got this from someone a long time ago, so I hope the game hasn't changed much 
since I got this, but maybe it will help you.
  
In Kings corner you play against the computer and can set different levels,
easy-difficult.
It begins with in a square formation card spots and each corner is empty 
awaiting a king.
The spots in between the corners are played much as you do in basic solitaire, 
alternating red and black, adding these piles to the corners when they fit the 
next spot on pile, once a king is down.
Objective of using up your cards, of which you get a new one each round across 
the bottom of the screen.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Keith Kramlinger
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2022 11:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: help with Kings corner app please

hello,
I purchased the Kings corner app on the recommendation of several people from 
this list. I have studied the rules and the gameplay in Wikipedia.
I am at a total loss on how to play the game within the app. Can someone please 
provide some guidance to allow me to get started?
Thanks in advance. Keith

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Re: Question about deleting text messages

[CHELA Robles]

Go to settings and then go to where it says messages and then go to the heading 
that says message history and then you’ll see a button that you can toggle on 
where you can actually delete after a certain amount of days or keep forever 
and later on there’s a heading that says audio it’s the same deal as well.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 10, 2022, at 8:08 AM, Rena  wrote:
> 
> 
> How do I go to message settings?
>  
> Rena
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jennie 
> Facer
> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 2:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about deleting text messages
>  
> Hi Rita,
>  
> Those options I believe only apply to voice messages that are iMessages. 
> These settings are in the messages part of settings. If you want to delete 
> just regular texts, you will have to do that manually. Hope this helps,
>  
> Jenn
> 
> Jenn and Kumi
> 
> 
> On Aug 9, 2022, at 12:42 PM, Rena  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello,
>  
> Sometime ago I found something that said to keep messages forever, delete 
> after a month and some another option that I don’t remember. I clicked on 
> deleting after a month, but it seems that I didn’t succeeded.
> I don’t remember where I found these options, if I opened settings, or it was 
> in the same messages app.
> I have iPhone SE 20 fully updated.
> Would anyone please remind me about that?
>  
> Rena
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Re: Question about deleting text messages

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Go to the Settings app on your phone and then go to messages by scrolling down or swiping right with one finger.Go to the settings app on your phone and then go to messages by scrolling down or swiping right with one finger.Jenn and KumiOn Aug 10, 2022, at 9:08 AM, Rena  wrote:How do I go to message settings? Rena  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jennie FacerSent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 2:50 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Question about deleting text messages Hi Rita, Those options I believe only apply to voice messages that are iMessages. These settings are in the messages part of settings. If you want to delete just regular texts, you will have to do that manually. Hope this helps, JennJenn and KumiOn Aug 9, 2022, at 12:42 PM, Rena  wrote:Hello, Sometime ago I found something that said to keep messages forever, delete after a month and some another option that I don’t remember. I clicked on deleting after a month, but it seems that I didn’t succeeded.I don’t remember where I found these options, if I opened settings, or it was in the same messages app.I have iPhone SE 20 fully updated.Would anyone please remind me about that? Rena.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/044601d8ac1f%24d01cc660%2470565320%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/28EF7AC3-D199-4595-AFBC-CF9C6A5CFE54%40gmail.com.



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RE: Question about deleting text messages

[Rena]

How do I go to message settings?

 

Rena

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jennie 
Facer
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 2:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about deleting text messages

 

Hi Rita,

 

Those options I believe only apply to voice messages that are iMessages. These 
settings are in the messages part of settings. If you want to delete just 
regular texts, you will have to do that manually. Hope this helps,

 

Jenn

Jenn and Kumi





On Aug 9, 2022, at 12:42 PM, Rena mailto:onyxfran...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hello,

 

Sometime ago I found something that said to keep messages forever, delete after 
a month and some another option that I don’t remember. I clicked on deleting 
after a month, but it seems that I didn’t succeeded.

I don’t remember where I found these options, if I opened settings, or it was 
in the same messages app.

I have iPhone SE 20 fully updated.

Would anyone please remind me about that?

 

Rena

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Re: NFL audio on the iPhone

[Gordon]

Yes, I really don't know why they have such a lengthy delay. it could be
some type of contractual thing with the NFL where that broadcast Hass to
reach TV audiences and the flagship radio audiences before it can be pushed
out to SiriusXM listeners. i'll have to try tune in premium to see if they
have the long delay as well.

On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 9:50 AM Amy Ruell  wrote:

> I get all of the sports, got 3 months free for signing up, and have the
> platinum package.
>
> I don’t have a radio, just stream on my phone. Sad to hear about the
> delay, as I like to listen while my family watches the games.
>
> Hoping they have college football and basketball as well. I cancelled my
> Tune In and MLB subscriptions to save money.
>
> Amy
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Kevin Minor
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 10, 2022 10:39 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: NFL audio on the iPhone
>
>
>
> Hi.
>
>
>
> It might have changed, but it used to be if you wanted to have all the
> sports, a radio was required to get that online subscription.
>
>
>
> I could be wrong, or it might have changed.
>
>
>
> Kevin, Valerie and Jilly
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Richard Turner
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 10, 2022 10:31 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: NFL audio on the iPhone
>
>
>
> I believe with the radio it is about $23 while the streaming plan is
> $11.99.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little
> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
>
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2022, at 6:50 AM, Casey Wollner  wrote:
>
> Hi what is the price difference between the to platinum plans with the
> radio or with out?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 7:46 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: NFL audio on the iPhone
>
> Yeah, I got into the streaming plans without the car radio, but I think I
> just took the default, which is the Music and Entertainment plan.
>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Chris Chaffin
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 6:55 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: NFL audio on the iPhone
>
>
> One thing that I learned through the signing up for SiriusXM is that there
> is 2 platinum plans.  The regular platinum plan which in addition to
> streaming, also includes an actual radio like in a car or one you keep in
> your house, and the platinum streaming plan, which only includes
> streaming.  So I just ended up calling them to make sure I got the right
> one.
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Aug 9, 2022, at 11:26 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Sure, I'll give it a try on Thursday night. I've subscribed to NFL Game
> Pass in the past, so I might not be eligible for a free trial. Since I have
> another alternative, I also may not try as hard as I would if I thought it
> were my only option. Also, and this goes without saying, but others can
> give the free trial a spin as well.
>
>
>
> Finally, even though someone like Richard spoon fed me the link and
> information I needed to sign up for Sirius XM, I still signed up for the
> wrong package. I got the Music and Entertainment package instead of the
> Platinum package. I used their customer service bot to get it all
> straightened out, and that was a great experience. Not only was the support
> staff quick, knowledgeable and friendly, but the bot itself was very
> accessible. Now that I've got the right package, it's all working great!
> Thanks for all of the tips and advice on this topic on this list!
>
>
>
> --
>
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>
> Chaltain at Outlook
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>
> Dennis Long
>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 3:34 AM
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> Subject: RE: NFL audio on the iPhone
>
>
>
> Christopher can you take the 7 day trial of the NFL app and see if it is
> accessible?  I would be interested in your thoughts on the NFL app
> experience.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>
> Christopher Chaltain
>
> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 12:53 PM
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> Subject: RE: NFL audio on the iPhone
>
>
>
> Yes, it's my understanding that you don't have the ability to listen to a
> game that's already been played. I did take advantage of this a few times
> when I was able to use the NFL app. As I've said before, just because we
> have an alternative, and just because I've decided to take advantage of
> that alternative, doesn't mean the NFL isn't still on the hook to make
> their apps and services accessible. The fact that they offer features that
> you don't get in other packages is 

Re: Using Mail Drop

[Lisa Belville]

Hi, Anna.


Yes, I emailed the link to my sister and she was able to play the video 
with no problems.  Thanks for the help.



Lisa



Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 8/9/2022 5:53 PM, Anna Dresner wrote:

Hi Lisa,

When you send the file by Airdrop, the recipient gets a link they can use to 
download it. Since the link is to a video, it may be that they can view it on 
their phone without downloading; I’m not sure. The link is good for 30 days.

I hope that helps.

Best,
Anna



On Aug 9, 2022, at 2:50 PM, Lisa Belville  wrote:

Hi, all.


I'm trying to send a 135 MB attachment to someone with an android phone.  They 
don't do Drop box or any other sharing service.  If I use mail drop and it's in 
iCloud, can they view the video?  I thought a link was emailed to me that I 
could send.  Is this how mail drop works or do I have it all wrong?


Lisa


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Re: NFL audio on the iPhone

[Richard Turner]

I believe with the radio it is about $23 while the streaming plan is $11.99.





Richard
“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
My web site: https://www.turner42.com


> On Aug 10, 2022, at 6:50 AM, Casey Wollner  wrote:
> 
> Hi what is the price difference between the to platinum plans with the radio 
> or with out?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 7:46 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: NFL audio on the iPhone
> 
> Yeah, I got into the streaming plans without the car radio, but I think I 
> just took the default, which is the Music and Entertainment plan.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chris 
> Chaffin
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 6:55 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: NFL audio on the iPhone
> 
> 
> One thing that I learned through the signing up for SiriusXM is that there is 
> 2 platinum plans.  The regular platinum plan which in addition to streaming, 
> also includes an actual radio like in a car or one you keep in your house, 
> and the platinum streaming plan, which only includes streaming.  So I just 
> ended up calling them to make sure I got the right one.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 11:26 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Sure, I'll give it a try on Thursday night. I've subscribed to NFL Game 
>> Pass in the past, so I might not be eligible for a free trial. Since I have 
>> another alternative, I also may not try as hard as I would if I thought it 
>> were my only option. Also, and this goes without saying, but others can give 
>> the free trial a spin as well.
>> 
>> Finally, even though someone like Richard spoon fed me the link and 
>> information I needed to sign up for Sirius XM, I still signed up for the 
>> wrong package. I got the Music and Entertainment package instead of the 
>> Platinum package. I used their customer service bot to get it all 
>> straightened out, and that was a great experience. Not only was the support 
>> staff quick, knowledgeable and friendly, but the bot itself was very 
>> accessible. Now that I've got the right package, it's all working great! 
>> Thanks for all of the tips and advice on this topic on this list!
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Dennis Long
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 3:34 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: NFL audio on the iPhone
>> 
>> Christopher can you take the 7 day trial of the NFL app and see if it is 
>> accessible?  I would be interested in your thoughts on the NFL app 
>> experience.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 12:53 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: NFL audio on the iPhone
>> 
>> Yes, it's my understanding that you don't have the ability to listen to a 
>> game that's already been played. I did take advantage of this a few times 
>> when I was able to use the NFL app. As I've said before, just because we 
>> have an alternative, and just because I've decided to take advantage of that 
>> alternative, doesn't mean the NFL isn't still on the hook to make their apps 
>> and services accessible. The fact that they offer features that you don't 
>> get in other packages is a good reason this is the case.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 8:49 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: NFL audio on the iPhone
>> 
>> I do not see anything about archived games on SiriusXM.
>> Here is an article about the NFL and SiriusXM updated agreement as of July 
>> 26, 2022.
>> Link to the source is at the end.
>> 
>> The NFL & SiriusXM expand agreement: Find out what you’ll hear July 
>> 26, 2022
>> 
>> SiriusXM is the exclusive third-party audio provider of every National 
>> Football League game across North America as the NFL and SiriusXM announced 
>> the extension of their broadcasting and marketing agreement for another five 
>> years. SiriusXM and the NFL have been teaming up to deliver fans NFL games 
>> and exclusive content since 2004, and SiriusXM subscribers will continue to 
>> get access to every NFL game live through Super Bowl LXI in 2027 on SiriusXM 
>> radio and on the SXM App, as well as SiriusXM NFL Radio (Ch. 88), SiriusXM’s 
>> 24/7 radio channel dedicated entirely to the NFL.
>> 
>> SiriusXM NFL Radio
>> SiriusXM NFL Radio offers the most in-depth audio coverage of the NFL. The 
>> daily programming lineup features shows hosted by NFL experts 

RE: NFL audio on the iPhone

[Casey Wollner]

Hi what is the price difference between the to platinum plans with the radio or 
with out?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 7:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: NFL audio on the iPhone

Yeah, I got into the streaming plans without the car radio, but I think I just 
took the default, which is the Music and Entertainment plan.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chris 
Chaffin
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 6:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: NFL audio on the iPhone


One thing that I learned through the signing up for SiriusXM is that there is 2 
platinum plans.  The regular platinum plan which in addition to streaming, also 
includes an actual radio like in a car or one you keep in your house, and the 
platinum streaming plan, which only includes streaming.  So I just ended up 
calling them to make sure I got the right one.

Chris


> On Aug 9, 2022, at 11:26 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> Sure, I'll give it a try on Thursday night. I've subscribed to NFL Game Pass 
> in the past, so I might not be eligible for a free trial. Since I have 
> another alternative, I also may not try as hard as I would if I thought it 
> were my only option. Also, and this goes without saying, but others can give 
> the free trial a spin as well.
> 
> Finally, even though someone like Richard spoon fed me the link and 
> information I needed to sign up for Sirius XM, I still signed up for the 
> wrong package. I got the Music and Entertainment package instead of the 
> Platinum package. I used their customer service bot to get it all 
> straightened out, and that was a great experience. Not only was the support 
> staff quick, knowledgeable and friendly, but the bot itself was very 
> accessible. Now that I've got the right package, it's all working great! 
> Thanks for all of the tips and advice on this topic on this list!
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Dennis Long
> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 3:34 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: NFL audio on the iPhone
> 
> Christopher can you take the 7 day trial of the NFL app and see if it is 
> accessible?  I would be interested in your thoughts on the NFL app experience.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 12:53 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: NFL audio on the iPhone
> 
> Yes, it's my understanding that you don't have the ability to listen to a 
> game that's already been played. I did take advantage of this a few times 
> when I was able to use the NFL app. As I've said before, just because we have 
> an alternative, and just because I've decided to take advantage of that 
> alternative, doesn't mean the NFL isn't still on the hook to make their apps 
> and services accessible. The fact that they offer features that you don't get 
> in other packages is a good reason this is the case.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 8:49 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: NFL audio on the iPhone
> 
> I do not see anything about archived games on SiriusXM.
> Here is an article about the NFL and SiriusXM updated agreement as of July 
> 26, 2022.
> Link to the source is at the end.
> 
> The NFL & SiriusXM expand agreement: Find out what you’ll hear July 
> 26, 2022
> 
> SiriusXM is the exclusive third-party audio provider of every National 
> Football League game across North America as the NFL and SiriusXM announced 
> the extension of their broadcasting and marketing agreement for another five 
> years. SiriusXM and the NFL have been teaming up to deliver fans NFL games 
> and exclusive content since 2004, and SiriusXM subscribers will continue to 
> get access to every NFL game live through Super Bowl LXI in 2027 on SiriusXM 
> radio and on the SXM App, as well as SiriusXM NFL Radio (Ch. 88), SiriusXM’s 
> 24/7 radio channel dedicated entirely to the NFL.
> 
> SiriusXM NFL Radio
> SiriusXM NFL Radio offers the most in-depth audio coverage of the NFL. The 
> daily programming lineup features shows hosted by NFL experts and interviews 
> with players, coaches and executives from around the league, live coverage of 
> marquee NFL events like the Super Bowl, NFL Draft, NFL Combine, training 
> camps, owners’ meetings and more.
> 
> 32 NFL Team Channels
> The SXM App offers 32 NFL team channels, each dedicated to carrying the 
> official radio broadcast for each NFL team, making it easy for fans to find 
> and listen to their favorite team’s announcers for every game. Starting this 
> season, each 

RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity Check-in

[Carolyn]

That is good news, sounds like the way to go, download Alexa, which I'll do, 
when we get moved. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Donna Casteen
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 4:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple Accessibility Gravity 
Check-in

Lisa, This is not true. The Amazon Alexa app can do Everything that an Alexa 
device can do. I have an old iPhone, which has no cellular service. The phone 
is connected to wifi only. I/we use the app ONLY to control smart lights & our 
Ring security camera. The Only thing that I do Not use the app for is adding 
items into my shopping cart & placing orders. I even make wifi calls using the 
app. A stand alone Amazon Alexa device is not necessary.

Donna 
> 
> Hi, Carolyn.
> 
> 
> If you just want to order and browse Amazon the app is fine.  If you want to 
> use smart lights and switches and such, you'll need Alexa.
> 
> 
> Hope this clears things up.
> 
> 
> Lisa
> 
> 
> Lisa Belville
> missktlab1...@frontier.com
> 
>> On 8/9/2022 8:40 AM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
>> Knowing these things, I see no advantage to getting Alexa. Please correct 
>> me, any of you, if this is incorrect.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson
>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 8:11 PM
>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple 
>> Accessibility Gravity Check-in
>> 
>> I don't use any kind of smart lights, but I'm sure that will work with the 
>> iPhone.  Good luck.
>> 
>>> On 8/8/22, Carolyn Arnold  wrote:
>>> That sounds great then, Joshua. I assume that the iPhone can work 
>>> with smart light switches?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] 
>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson
>>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 4:37 PM
>>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple 
>>> Accessibility Gravity Check-in
>>> 
>>> I have the amazon shopping app on my iPhone.  You don't need the 
>>> Alexa app to do that.
>>> 
>>> On 8/8/22, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
 I'm not sure what you're asking, but you can use the Amazon app on 
 your iPhone to place orders with Amazon. I'd also assume you could 
 use the Alexa app on your iPhone to also place an Amazon order.
 
 --
 Christopher (AKA CJ)
 Chaltain at Outlook
 
 -Original Message-
 From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On 
 Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 12:01 PM
 To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple 
 Accessibility Gravity Check-in
 
 Can you do Amazon ordering with the iPhone without Alexa?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: vipho...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com] 
 On Behalf Of Richard Turner
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 11:30 AM
 To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple 
 Accessibility Gravity Check-in
 
 You can order with the app, but be very careful that it is adding 
 the correct item to your cart.
 Also, be careful when using your phone with the app listening or a 
 device listening, because if it hears your phone say something 
 like, I can add the roborock vacuum to your cart; you may find that 
 item is now in your cart.
 It took a bit of work to get it out of the cart.
 
 
 
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 -Original Message-
 From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On 
 Behalf Of Donna Casteen
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 8:27 AM
 To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: From Mark to the List, Just a General Apple 
 Accessibility Gravity Check-in
 
 Carolyn, I haven't tried ordering from the app or adding items to 
 my cart. I do use the Alexa app to play games, play my music 
 playlist, search answers to questions, get the current/daily weather 
 forecast etc.
 
 Donna
 
> That is great. I understand I can order with amazon?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 

RE: NFL audio on the iPhone

[Christopher Chaltain]

Yeah, I got into the streaming plans without the car radio, but I think I just 
took the default, which is the Music and Entertainment plan.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chris 
Chaffin
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 6:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: NFL audio on the iPhone


One thing that I learned through the signing up for SiriusXM is that there is 2 
platinum plans.  The regular platinum plan which in addition to streaming, also 
includes an actual radio like in a car or one you keep in your house, and the 
platinum streaming plan, which only includes streaming.  So I just ended up 
calling them to make sure I got the right one.

Chris


> On Aug 9, 2022, at 11:26 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> Sure, I'll give it a try on Thursday night. I've subscribed to NFL Game Pass 
> in the past, so I might not be eligible for a free trial. Since I have 
> another alternative, I also may not try as hard as I would if I thought it 
> were my only option. Also, and this goes without saying, but others can give 
> the free trial a spin as well.
> 
> Finally, even though someone like Richard spoon fed me the link and 
> information I needed to sign up for Sirius XM, I still signed up for the 
> wrong package. I got the Music and Entertainment package instead of the 
> Platinum package. I used their customer service bot to get it all 
> straightened out, and that was a great experience. Not only was the support 
> staff quick, knowledgeable and friendly, but the bot itself was very 
> accessible. Now that I've got the right package, it's all working great! 
> Thanks for all of the tips and advice on this topic on this list!
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Dennis Long
> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 3:34 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: NFL audio on the iPhone
> 
> Christopher can you take the 7 day trial of the NFL app and see if it is 
> accessible?  I would be interested in your thoughts on the NFL app experience.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 12:53 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: NFL audio on the iPhone
> 
> Yes, it's my understanding that you don't have the ability to listen to a 
> game that's already been played. I did take advantage of this a few times 
> when I was able to use the NFL app. As I've said before, just because we have 
> an alternative, and just because I've decided to take advantage of that 
> alternative, doesn't mean the NFL isn't still on the hook to make their apps 
> and services accessible. The fact that they offer features that you don't get 
> in other packages is a good reason this is the case.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 8:49 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: NFL audio on the iPhone
> 
> I do not see anything about archived games on SiriusXM.
> Here is an article about the NFL and SiriusXM updated agreement as of July 
> 26, 2022.
> Link to the source is at the end.
> 
> The NFL & SiriusXM expand agreement: Find out what you’ll hear July 
> 26, 2022
> 
> SiriusXM is the exclusive third-party audio provider of every National 
> Football League game across North America as the NFL and SiriusXM announced 
> the extension of their broadcasting and marketing agreement for another five 
> years. SiriusXM and the NFL have been teaming up to deliver fans NFL games 
> and exclusive content since 2004, and SiriusXM subscribers will continue to 
> get access to every NFL game live through Super Bowl LXI in 2027 on SiriusXM 
> radio and on the SXM App, as well as SiriusXM NFL Radio (Ch. 88), SiriusXM’s 
> 24/7 radio channel dedicated entirely to the NFL.
> 
> SiriusXM NFL Radio
> SiriusXM NFL Radio offers the most in-depth audio coverage of the NFL. The 
> daily programming lineup features shows hosted by NFL experts and interviews 
> with players, coaches and executives from around the league, live coverage of 
> marquee NFL events like the Super Bowl, NFL Draft, NFL Combine, training 
> camps, owners’ meetings and more.
> 
> 32 NFL Team Channels
> The SXM App offers 32 NFL team channels, each dedicated to carrying the 
> official radio broadcast for each NFL team, making it easy for fans to find 
> and listen to their favorite team’s announcers for every game. Starting this 
> season, each team channel on the SXM App will now also feature the team’s 
> pre- and post-game shows before and after every game. All 32 team channels 
> are also available in vehicles equipped with SiriusXM 360L radios.
> Hear additional team-focused content from NFL clubs — including coaches 
> shows, 

Re: NFL audio on the iPhone

[Chris Chaffin]

One thing that I learned through the signing up for SiriusXM is that there is 2 
platinum plans.  The regular platinum plan which in addition to streaming, also 
includes an actual radio like in a car or one you keep in your house, and the 
platinum streaming plan, which only includes streaming.  So I just ended up 
calling them to make sure I got the right one.

Chris


> On Aug 9, 2022, at 11:26 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> Sure, I'll give it a try on Thursday night. I've subscribed to NFL Game Pass 
> in the past, so I might not be eligible for a free trial. Since I have 
> another alternative, I also may not try as hard as I would if I thought it 
> were my only option. Also, and this goes without saying, but others can give 
> the free trial a spin as well.
> 
> Finally, even though someone like Richard spoon fed me the link and 
> information I needed to sign up for Sirius XM, I still signed up for the 
> wrong package. I got the Music and Entertainment package instead of the 
> Platinum package. I used their customer service bot to get it all 
> straightened out, and that was a great experience. Not only was the support 
> staff quick, knowledgeable and friendly, but the bot itself was very 
> accessible. Now that I've got the right package, it's all working great! 
> Thanks for all of the tips and advice on this topic on this list!
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
> Long
> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 3:34 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: NFL audio on the iPhone
> 
> Christopher can you take the 7 day trial of the NFL app and see if it is 
> accessible?  I would be interested in your thoughts on the NFL app experience.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 12:53 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: NFL audio on the iPhone
> 
> Yes, it's my understanding that you don't have the ability to listen to a 
> game that's already been played. I did take advantage of this a few times 
> when I was able to use the NFL app. As I've said before, just because we have 
> an alternative, and just because I've decided to take advantage of that 
> alternative, doesn't mean the NFL isn't still on the hook to make their apps 
> and services accessible. The fact that they offer features that you don't get 
> in other packages is a good reason this is the case.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 8:49 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: NFL audio on the iPhone
> 
> I do not see anything about archived games on SiriusXM.
> Here is an article about the NFL and SiriusXM updated agreement as of July 
> 26, 2022.
> Link to the source is at the end.
> 
> The NFL & SiriusXM expand agreement: Find out what you’ll hear July 26, 2022
> 
> SiriusXM is the exclusive third-party audio provider of every National 
> Football League game across North America as the NFL and SiriusXM announced 
> the extension of their broadcasting and marketing agreement for another five 
> years. SiriusXM and the NFL have been teaming up to deliver fans NFL games 
> and exclusive content since 2004, and SiriusXM subscribers will continue to 
> get access to every NFL game live through Super Bowl LXI in 2027 on SiriusXM 
> radio and on the SXM App, as well as SiriusXM NFL Radio (Ch. 88), SiriusXM’s 
> 24/7 radio channel dedicated entirely to the NFL.
> 
> SiriusXM NFL Radio
> SiriusXM NFL Radio offers the most in-depth audio coverage of the NFL. The 
> daily programming lineup features shows hosted by NFL experts and interviews 
> with players, coaches and executives from around the league, live coverage of 
> marquee NFL events like the Super Bowl, NFL Draft, NFL Combine, training 
> camps, owners’ meetings and more.
> 
> 32 NFL Team Channels
> The SXM App offers 32 NFL team channels, each dedicated to carrying the 
> official radio broadcast for each NFL team, making it easy for fans to find 
> and listen to their favorite team’s announcers for every game. Starting this 
> season, each team channel on the SXM App will now also feature the team’s 
> pre- and post-game shows before and after every game. All 32 team channels 
> are also available in vehicles equipped with SiriusXM 360L radios.
> Hear additional team-focused content from NFL clubs — including coaches 
> shows, press conferences and more — on the SXM App.
> 
> SiriusXM NFL Sunday Drive
> Every Sunday during the season, the channel offers an exclusive live show, 
> SiriusXM NFL Sunday Drive, that takes listeners in and out of multiple live 
> game broadcasts so they can hear the day’s biggest plays and most exciting 
> game action in one place, accompanied by live analysis and one-on-one 
>