Re: Sonos

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Sieghard,I have the same sort of setup in my living room, but, 2 Play 3 units as rears, they are both wall mounted on flush brackets with the wires hidden into the wall, so, invisible. My PlayBar is mounted directly below the TV which as with your setup is a purpose built solution. The Sub is hidden behind a couch and all in all, I think the solution is brilliant.In answer to someone who wanted to know whether or not you should start with a PlayBar or Play5, my choice would always in this situation be Play1, 3 or 5 never start with a PlayBar. The PlayBar is the beginning to  a TV or home theatre setup, but, not really perfect for music in its own right. If you are hooking it up to a TV, then the playBar will not disappoint at all, especially if you add a sub, either with or without rears, but, if you are mainly looking for a music setup then the Play 1, 3 or 5 is the better option for fuller audio profile.Neil Barnfather MBEwww.neilbarnfather.comBusiness Consultant & Disability AdvocateVisit my web-site to learn more about my range of services covering a selection of business consultancy functions to a complete series of disability advocacy roles. All delivered personally by one of the UK’s most successful disabled entrepreneurs and established, recognised disabled spokesperson.On 12 Mar 2016, at 18:17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:Hi Marie,My advice would be to put 2 Play 1 speakers into the kitchen area and to mount them so they are best placed for when you are sitting at the kitchen table or working in the kitchen.For the great room I would eventually use a set of Play 5 with a Sonos Sub and then again in the bedroom, depending on its size, either a set of Play 1 or Play 3 and of course you will probably want to put a Play 1 into the bathroom if possible.The only modification I would consider would be if you do regularly watch TV and want a surround setup. Assuming the TV is in the great room, I would put a Playbar with Sub there and given the size of the room, use two Play 3 players wall-mounted behind and to the side of the couch as rear surrounds.Regards,SieghardFrom: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of MarieSent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:10 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: SonosOkay guys, I ordered a Play 5 last night so will be anxiously awaiting delivery. The main part of my house is taken up with the entryway, kitchen and a great room which are around 800 to 900 square feet and very open. So I will eventually add 4 to 6 Play 1 speakers to the area which should give me wonderful sound. Then I can begin adding my bedroom and office so I will live in a sound theatre!LOLMarieFrom: Robin FrostSent: Friday, March 11, 2016 2:49 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: SonosHi,Ah and that my friend you can have with a Play:5 first or 2nd generation.  As I said it does have an auxiliary input jack so have patch cord and your wish is their command.  You merely select line in source in the app and you can start it playing.  All you need to do is plug it into one speaker and away you go. If it’s part of a stereo pair grouping the audio will then come out of both speakers seamlessly.I hope that helps.RobinFrom: MarieSent: Friday, March 11, 2016 5:16 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: SonosActually I meant that I wanted an input jack rather than output. My bad! I want to be able to plug in a PlexTalk or Stream if possible. this is not totally essential but would be nice.do you still thin a good starting point is the Play5 or would the play bar be a better beginning?MarieFrom: Sieghard WeitzelSent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:39 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: SonosJust one thing I’d like to add and that is that there is a tuning option to optimise the Play 5 to a particular room. Sonos calls this “TruePlay” but if you want to do this you will need sighted help, it is not accessible if Voiceover is running.Also, FYI, while the new Play 5 has no longer a headphone jack, it is supposed to sound much better than the older ones.Regards,SieghardFrom: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin FrostSent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:11 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: SonosHi,Yes and yes. Set up is a breeze and poses no problems for blind or visually impaired users no matter which model you get in my experience. Once your library is indexed by the sonos system then you could play anything you might have in terms of sound files from your computer.the only difference between first and 2nd generation play:5 for instance is the location of the button you press to initiate its detection by the system.  In first gen it’s on top of the unit whereas in the newer 2nd generation it’s on the back of the unit.  It’s nearly flush with the back of the unit but still detectable by touch once you know to look for it.  I don’t think you’d have any trouble should you choose to try one; and the Play:5 still has 

Re: Sonos

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Sieghard,I have the same sort of setup in my living room, but, 2 Play 3 units as rears, they are both wall mounted on flush brackets with the wires hidden into the wall, so, invisible. My PlayBar is mounted directly below the TV which as with your setup is a purpose built solution. The Sub is hidden behind a couch and all in all, I think the solution is brilliant.In answer to someone who wanted to know whether or not you should start with a PlayBar or Play5, my choice would always in this situation be Play1, 3 or 5 never start with a PlayBar. The PlayBar is the beginning to  a TV or home theatre setup, but, not really perfect for music in its own right. If you are hooking it up to a TV, then the playBar will not disappoint at all, especially if you add a sub, either with or without rears, but, if you are mainly looking for a music setup then the Play 1, 3 or 5 is the better option for fuller audio profile.Neil Barnfather MBEwww.neilbarnfather.comBusiness Consultant & Disability AdvocateVisit my web-site to learn more about my range of services covering a selection of business consultancy functions to a complete series of disability advocacy roles. All delivered personally by one of the UK’s most successful disabled entrepreneurs and established, recognised disabled spokesperson.On 11 Mar 2016, at 16:46, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:Hi Jonathan,First of all, welcome to Sonos, I didn’t know you had bought into it, but it definitely is awesome.As for the Connect, I understand that I could get any wireless headset setup and plug it into the RCA line-out or Optical out on the Connect. But considering that most of the wireless headsets I would consider are between $300 and $500 I really was waiting for a true Sonos headset. If Somebody who wouldn’t normally need a Connect has to buy one just for that purpose then it also becomes a pretty expensive headset solution.When I bought my first Sonos products in 2009 it was 3 Connect Amp which then were called ZP120 and 2 Connect which were the ZP90 back then. They only had those players then and actually a set of stand-alone bookshelf type speakers. The Play 5 which started out as the S5 came I think in 2011 and I bought it then. Anyhow, I am still holding out for a native Sonos headset as I am convinced it will be coming at some point. My thought is that they do have to release a new product sometime and now that they have 3 portable players, a soundbar and Sub it must be something they consider especially considering that I am not the only one asking for  it. I once talked to a Sonos customer service guy and mentioned it and he said he gets people asking for it on a pretty regular bases and you find stuff like “Dear Sonos, please make me headphones! | iMore” when you Google around for  it.What I really like about Sonos is the longevity of their products. While my Zp120 units are now called Connect Amp and my ZP90 is now the Connect, they still are essentially the same units even though mine are now 7 years old. It’s nice to see a company that makes some good hardware which is then improved over time with software updates. The only Sonos product which was a bit of a flop was the 30-Pin dock which they sold back in the iPhone 4/4S days. It was I think around $120 at the time and basically was a dock which acted as a stand-alone player and it also had a headphone jack. I still have mine but of course haven’t used it in many years since I don’t feel I want to invest in a 30-Pin to Lightning adapter and if I really want my iPhone connected I have a RCA to 3.5mm cable plugged into the Connect Amp in my bedroom and I just plug it in there, but mostly I just use Airplay since I have an Airport Express connected to one of my other Connect Amp units to add Airplay to my Sonos system. That, by the way, would be one of my other very few items of criticism, I think at least the new players that were releaed in the last few years should have built-in Airplay compatibility and all 3 portable players, the Play 1, 3 and 5 should have a 3.5mm headphone jack.OK, off my soapbox I step since I have to get ready for work *smile*.Regards,SieghardFrom: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan MosenSent: Friday, March 11, 2016 6:37 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: SonosWhile a headphone jack on some of the units might be nice, I'm not convinced any new product is necessary, because Sonos already has one called the Connect. You can easily plug headphones into this, and indeed I have a device plugged into a connect that sends any audio from Sonos directly to my hearing aids. You can set it up as a room of its own or group it with another. For example, we have a Sonos PlayBar, sub, and two Play:1s in our living room for 5.1 surround sound. When we're watching a movie, I send audio to a Sonos connect as well so I get the sound of the movie straight into my hearing aids. But it could easily be wireless or wired headphones plugged in 

Re: Sonos

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Sorry, to anyone reading that on list, to be 100% clear, true Play tuning is 
not accessible to Voice Over users who are using the public release of the App, 
as many of you know, I work with Sonos privately, so, I just wanted to reasure 
folk, True Play will be accessible with Voice Over likely in the next public 
update of the software, as I can see nothing wrong with the latest rework that 
we’ve just finished doing.
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> On 11 Mar 2016, at 12:56, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav <for...@talknav.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Sieghard,
> 
> Just a brief reflection; True Play is available for all Sonos Play units, 1, 
> 3 and 5, not yet the PlayBar publicly.
> 
> The True Play tuning experience is not, yet, accessible to the public release 
> of the software, however, I doubt I’m being naughty to say that it is within 
> the present versions of the software that I am working with. In fact, its 
> very nicely been done, with a few minor modifications to the process from 
> yours truly!!!
> 
> Best.
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>> On 10 Mar 2016, at 17:49, Marie <scribbl...@comcast.net 
>> <mailto:scribbl...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> I was just reading the reviews of the Sonos Play 5 and there were complaints 
>> that there was no output jack on this speaker? I was under the impressions 
>> that it did have a headphone jack but wonder if it was removed in the newer 
>> model. This is a real turn off for me. I guess I should have bought one 
>> earlier.
>> Marie
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Re: Sonos

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Sieghard,

Just a brief reflection; True Play is available for all Sonos Play units, 1, 3 
and 5, not yet the PlayBar publicly.

The True Play tuning experience is not, yet, accessible to the public release 
of the software, however, I doubt I’m being naughty to say that it is within 
the present versions of the software that I am working with. In fact, its very 
nicely been done, with a few minor modifications to the process from yours 
truly!!!

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> On 10 Mar 2016, at 17:49, Marie  wrote:
> 
> I was just reading the reviews of the Sonos Play 5 and there were complaints 
> that there was no output jack on this speaker? I was under the impressions 
> that it did have a headphone jack but wonder if it was removed in the newer 
> model. This is a real turn off for me. I guess I should have bought one 
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iOS Dice App

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Hi All,

Here’s one for the parents amongst you, is there an accessible iOS App which 
simulates the rolling of a dice in an easy to use manner, when playing board 
games with some of my younger children they’ve identified that Daddy is blind, 
so, can cheat me, but, not quite old enough to understand that doing so, well, 
err, isn’t quite moral let alone darn fair! So, I was after an accessible 
simple App which had an easy UI, press here, dice roles, result read aloud by 
Voice Over or other simulated output etc.

Many thanks for any ideas / thoughts!

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Re: UK CUSTOMERS AND NEW APPLE TV

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Caro,

I’ve held off, BBC is early next year, but, what I want to know more than which 
providers is, which providers with their usual line up of content and audio 
described.

The BBC has a fantastic history of producing AD content, but, getting this 
through streaming services is problematic at best, take iPlayer, which yes, 
granted you can do it using, but, its not as easy as 1,2,3.

Further, iPlayer through things like Sky does not have any AD option.ignore
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> On 29 Oct 2015, at 21:42, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
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> Hi all,
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> Just thought I'd ask UK customers who have purchased the new Apple TV just 
> which channels are available to us, please?
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> I'm not sure that I want one - yet - but could be persuaded ...
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Re: UK CUSTOMERS AND NEW APPLE TV

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Carol,

Now TV is already on it straight away, but, dispite it being Sky owned, there’s 
still no AD on it even though AD is on all of the same Sky programing through 
their set top boxes.
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> On 29 Oct 2015, at 22:07, chris  wrote:
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> I hope Now TV comes to the new Apple TV but am confident it will since it's 
> available on the third gen and perhaps second gen too. I read today BBC 
> iPlayer will be coming to the new Apple TV but no word if it's coming to the 
> third gen.
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> On 29/10/2015 21:42, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone wrote:
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>> Just thought I'd ask UK customers who have purchased the new Apple TV
>> just which channels are available to us, please?
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>> I'm not sure that I want one - yet - but could be persuaded ...
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Re: Subtle change to Wi-Fi calling on my T-Mobile phone

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Mary,

Here in the UK WiFi calling only appears in the top status bar when you are 
connected to WiFi, and, the handset has switched to the WiFi element of the 
service.

So, when I’m outside I always see EE, the uK carrier I’m on, when I go indoors, 
the handset will show no longer the 4G icon and it will be replaced with the 
number of bars on my Wifi network.

A short while later, the network icon, previously EE, will change to, EE WiFi 
network, and, this means that my calls / text are now being transmitted via the 
WiFi network.

When I leave the WiFi network the icon will return to the basic EE icon, as I’m 
no longer on WiFi.
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> On 27 Oct 2015, at 15:12, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> It has recently been noted in discussions that when you change your Wi-Fi 
> calling from off to on you see a change at the top in your status bar where 
> it says the name of your carrier along with Wi-Fi network where it used to 
> just say the name of the carrier. I just noticed this morning that now, 
> although my Wi-Fi calling is still on, it says T-Mobile network. It does not 
> say T-Mobile Wi-Fi network or Wi-Fi T-Mobile, which ever it had been. I 
> wonder why that might be.
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FS iPhone 6 64Gb

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All,

Just one more note, have another two more iPhone 6 64Gb handsets available for 
sale now, both unlocked and both with original packaging etc.

Get in touch if you are interested, happy to ship internationally provided that 
you pay the additional shipping fees.

for...@talknav.com

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Re: Any accessible sleep or fitness trackers with vibrating alarm?

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FitBit does this, works well and is 99% accessible.



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 On 20 Aug 2015, at 17:53, Jared jared.stoff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I'm looking for a way to set a vibrating alarm using a fitness tracker or 
 sleep tracker on my iPhone so I can wake up with out waking up my partner. 
 Does anyone know what devices have iOS apps that allow you to do this 
 accessibly?
 
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Re: Sonos was Re: bower and wilkins zepplin mini

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Hi all, just chiming in here.

Sonos Play 1 is stereo, its just single point stereo meaning that the two 
channels being left and right are combined into a single source output. This is 
not the same as mono as I often see it referred to as.

The Play 3 can be either single point stereo when stood upright or serve as a 
stereo speaker in its own right when put lengthways. The key here is when 
upright it has more speaker capabilities for high and mid range frequency 
response, when placed lengthways it has two speakers serving as left and right 
and a third as the mids, but, this really does give the unit some flexibility.

The Play 5 has only one position and has two left speakers and two right, highs 
and mids with a single base driver built in as the fifth speaker.

I have both a pair of Play3’s and a pair of Play5’s, both sound cracking 
together however, of course the Play5’s sound better. You get more frequency 
response and more volume with the Play5 option overall, it also has a nicer 
richer sound to me.

I use a pair of Play3’s as rears with a PlayBar for TV and this sounds equally 
good.

Frankly though all Sonos sounds good, I have a few Play1’s scattered about and 
for basic sound listening, or audio book, these are more than fine.



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 On 19 Aug 2015, at 16:40, Brent Harding br...@hostany.net wrote:
 
 I would imagine that if one really wanted Airplay directly, the BW might be 
 a better choice. As I understand it, the Play 3 and 5 are mono speakers, so 
 you need two of them to get stereo sound.
 - Original Message - From: Krister Ekstrom 
 kris...@kristersplace.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 10:34 AM
 Subject: Sonos was Re: bower and wilkins zepplin mini
 
 
 The only 3 things i wish Sonos could do is:
 Have Airplay right out of the box, but that is solvable with an Airport
 Express as you said.
 2, Have an outdoor player that you could have on your balcony or in the
 garden for playing but maybe it’s coming who knows?
 3, handle audio books a bit better, ie have a special category for audio
 books so that they don’t end up amongst your music.
 Other than that, i love my Sonos system and i don’t regret a single
 moment that i bought it.
 /Krister
 
 
 On 19 Aug 2015, at 16:48, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
 
 Hi Steven,
 
 
 
 I don’t think the BW Zepplin requires or even has the option of an app. I 
 am talking about the Sonos music system which gives you the option of 3 
 different stand-alone speakers as well as a TV soundbar, sbwover and 2 other 
 players which either require regular bookshelf or tower speakers or powered 
 speakers or a connection to an existing amplifier/receiver. All of the 
 stand-alone speakers which are called the Play 1, Play 3 and Play 5 can be 
 configured as a stereo pair if you buy 2 of the same and the Playbar can be 
 setup with a set of Play 1 or Play 3 and a subwover for a full 5.1 surround 
 setup.
 
 Sonos is more than just speakers, it connects to your music library on your 
 computer and it cxonnects to the internet where you have access (via the 
 app) to all the free radio from Tune In as well as just about every music 
 service there is like for example Spotify, Deezer, Rdio, Rhapsody, Pandora, 
 Slacker, Songza and many more. From what I read Sonos will add Apple Music 
 support later in the year. Often the interface to deal with these services 
 is easier than using a particular service’s app and overall Sonos offers a 
 fantastic experience with very good audio quality.
 
 Each speaker/player has only 2 buttons, one is a play/pause button and the 
 other is a volume up/down rocker. There is no on/off switch on any of the 
 players as they are always on and as they use Class D amplifiers, they use 
 virtually no power in standby/sleep mode, I believe it’s something like 1 
 Watt.
 
 With Sonos you don’t so much play music to the speakers but the speaker is 
 access to your music although the Play 5 and the 2 other players which need 
 regular speakers or a connection to a receiver also have an input which 
 allows you to connect a traditional source device such as a CD player, 
 laptop or portable player like VictorReader Stream. You can Airplay enable 
 Sonos by connecting an Apple Airport Express to a player with an input. You 
 then Airplay to the Airport Express and it will play on Sonos, but there is 
 no native Airplay support which I would say is one of the few minor 
 inconveniences. The same goes for Bluetooth, but then again you don’t really 
 need Bluetooth support and while Sonos is not Airplay capable out of the 
 box, you still can 

Re: are ipads mono sound devices?

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Davy et al,

This is not meant as a picky point, however, just for technical proficiency 
when discussing.

All of Apple’s iOS devices are stereo, the sound though is played through a 
single point stereo speaker, this is different, or rather not the same as, mono 
audio.

Mono means you only get a single channel of audio, however, Apple’s iOS devices 
do play both left and right channel audio, just through a single speaker.

As I say, this is called single point stereo.

For some additional clarity, it was my understanding that the latest generation 
iPad’s have two separate speakers at the base, with the microphone being 
located at the top of the device not in the grill as suggested in another post. 
I need to check this, as I am pretty certain that this is correct.

Certainly in the case of the iPhone its a single point stereo speaker and a 
microphone at the bottom, but, iPad I believe is different and has two separate 
speakers for true stereo sound.

Never the less, as someone pointed out, quite how much audio, in terms of 
volume, and, what quality one expects from in built speakers of that size is, 
to my mind anyhow, the paramount question.



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 On 4 Aug 2015, at 17:33, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net wrote:
 
 Many people get confused by the side of an iPad.  There are what feels like 
 two speaker grills of only one is the speaker.  The other is the microphone.  
 Full audio stereo can be gotten via the ear phone jack.
 
 HTH
 
 
 
 Alan
 
 Sent from my iPad Air
 
 On Aug 4, 2015, at 4:13 AM, Davy Cuppens davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi folks
 
 I may use an iPad  3 that belongs to my employer to ease some tasks in my 
 office that I must do. If I play music with that iPad, I only here mono. Is 
 this normal. Does an § only have one speaker or are there devices that are 
 mono and others maybe more expensive stereo devices? When putting in a 
 heaphone or use bluetooth headphones, I get normal stereo output.
 Regards
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Re: Hive Heating

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Explain, I use HIVE on iOS, its not quite perfect, but, they are about to 
release a update that resolves outstanding issues.



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 OK, so following suggestion I contacted RNIB and they say they have only 
 worked on the Android app with British Gas. 
 
 I am a bit hacked off.
 
 Regards
 
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Re: Sonos questions

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Louise,

Glad to hear..,

In terms of NAS, I stick with ReadynAS from NetGear, they are not the best, 
but, they haven’t let me down to date. Reasonably priced and I put hard drives 
in usually made by any of the main manufacturers, ask if you need advice.

Most NAS interface’s which run over your network are poor from an accessibility 
stance, however, not completely so, the key thing is you will likely only ever 
need to configure it once, then just leave it well be. Mine’s been operating 
quite happily now for several years without intervention.






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 On 8 Jun 2015, at 17:13, 'Louise Redsull' via VIPhone 
 viphone@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 Hi Neil,
 Thanks for the answers. I'm doing well with Sonos now and really enjoying 
 using it. Do you have any Nas drives you can recommend as I wouldn't want to 
 get one which had inaccessible software.
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 Louise.
 
 
 -Original Message-
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 Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
 Sent: 07 June 2015 16:47
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Sonos questions
 
 Louise,
 
 Long time no speak, if you’re still living locally and need more help then 
 the below, get in touch and I’ll see if I can help you out.
 
 As Sieghard has already answered most of this hopefully you’re already good, 
 but, here’s a quick round up.
 
 Shuffle mode for music playback with the iPhone iOS controller is found 
 within the Queue, which is the very last button on the iOS controller for 
 iPhone, bottom right of the screen. Double tap this and at the top there are 
 three options, close the queue, shuffle and repeat.
 
 You can also from this menu select by double tapping on it any of the tracks 
 in your queue, you can also, at the bottom of the screen edit the queue, save 
 the queue for future play  and other options.
 
 The iPad controller for iOS has a few more of the discrete menu controls out 
 on the main interface owing to the greater level of screen relostate 
 available on that platform.
 
 Sieghard is correct, when using the stream function from another device to 
 the Sonos system you cannot access music locally stored on other devices with 
 controllers installed to play that music, however, as Sieghard has said, you 
 can have this music on a computer/laptop on your network, which must be left 
 on at all times you want it, and, it must be within a folder that is publicly 
 accessible on the network, the other, better option is a NAS (network 
 attached storage) unit or network hard-drive. These use very little 
 electricity and are an always on solution, this is what I do personally, then 
 anyone using your system can access that music from any controller at any 
 time.
 
 Hope that this helps, and, welcome to Sonos!
 
 
 
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 On 12 Apr 2015, at 18:22, Louise Redsull louisereds...@googlemail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 So I took the plunge and have purchased Sonos (a play 3 and a play 5). So 
 far things are going pretty well and set-up was fairly easy. I just have a 
 couple of questions.
 
 1. Has anyone found the add services screen to be a bit inaccessible as you 
 cannot flick through the services?
 2. Can you only shuffle spotify playlists using the IPad as a controller as 
 I cannot find a shuffle button on the Iphone app anywhere?
 3. Is there a way for my partner to be able to search and play music which 
 is on my Ipad using his IPhone or IPad? Similarly I can I search and see the 
 music on my IPad using my IPhone? I do not have music match but have saved 
 music onto my Ipad as it has more space than my phone. Or can I only search 
 the music on that particular device I am using?
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 Louise.
 
 
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Re: Sonos questions

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Krister,

Don’t worry about it at all, sometimes when you use something so very much you 
forget that trying to understand how it works when you do not have the physical 
thing in front of you to interact with makes it harder to understand.

When you begin a stream on your Sonos units, any of them, they begin playing 
that source, if you add another zone to that group that zone also plays, in 
perfect sync, that source too. Now if you ditch the first zone from the group 
the other one, or other ones, continue playing that source.

Try not to think of you playing a source from your iPhone or internet radio etc 
to a specific Sonos player or zone, but, rather think of your iPhone as a 
remote control in your hand.

Press play on a source, tell it where to play, then, add more zones if you 
like, add one or more, then, remove them at your own choice. When you add a 
zone to make a group you will then control that group with your iPHone 
controller in your hand, if you remove a zone from that group, then the 
remaining zone will continue to play that source.

I hope that this makes it a little clearer.



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 On 8 Jun 2015, at 12:39, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Maybe i do but maybe for some reason my explanation of what i want to do just 
 doesn’t cut it. My english must be extremely bad or my way of expressing 
 things must be lacking or maybe i’m just stupid. I want to group zones 
 together right enough, but i at the same time want to control the players 
 independently so that when i leave one room i want to turn the player off but 
 have the other player play. I don’t know how better to explain this other 
 than what i try to do here. no i can’t explain it better, i don’t know what i 
 do wrong.
 /Krister
 
 8 jun 2015 kl. 13:24 skrev Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com:
 
 Krister,
 
 I think we are having an apples and oranges conversation…
 
 You can group zones as easily as ABC, and, whenever you wish to, ungroup 
 them.
 
 So you have two options, group them and change the volume on each zone as 
 and when you wish to, either using the physical buttons on the player as and 
 when you enter the room and leave it again. Or, you can adjust the volume 
 using the iOS controller App either in sync, i.e. change the two volumes at 
 the same time and at the same level, or, you can adjust them from the App 
 independently of each other.
 
 Either way, adding zones to a group, and later removing them, or, changing 
 the volume using the App or physical buttons, with Sonos its as easy as ABC 
 1,2,3.
 
 I think you maybe over complicating how the system operates...
 
 
 
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 On 7 Jun 2015, at 17:10, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:
 
 Ahem, ok, let’s try to explain this in further detail:
 Say that my kitchen is playing an audio book, now i want this book to be 
 played in the bed room as well, so what i logically do then is link the two 
 rooms together right? This, however means that the sound plays in both 
 rooms even if i just want to play the sound from the kitchen in the bed 
 room or vise versa, so i want the rooms grouped but i want to play each 
 unit independently of each-other. Does that at all make sense?
 /Krister
 .
 
 7 jun 2015 kl. 17:59 skrev Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com:
 
 Krister,
 
 I’m not quite certain that I follow your question, I’ll give you a few 
 examples of what you can do, if I’ve not covered what you’re wishing to 
 do, please explain a little more.
 
 You can group players or zones as Sonos call them together, this means 
 that the source shall be played in complete sync across any zone within 
 that group, so, an audio book or other source.
 
 You can, provided you have either an Apple AirPort Express/Extreme 
 connected to your Sonos system, play directly from your Audible or other 
 iOS App using AirPlay, or, music from within the Sonos controller App from 
 your phone / iPad / iPod Touch to your Sonos system, either single zone or 
 group.
 
 If you are asking can I play two different sources from my single device 
 to two different Sonos zones at the same time, I suspect not, but, it 
 maybe achievable with AirPlay and Sonos streaming from the device, 
 however

Re: Sonos questions

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Krister,

I think we are having an apples and oranges conversation…

You can group zones as easily as ABC, and, whenever you wish to, ungroup them.

So you have two options, group them and change the volume on each zone as and 
when you wish to, either using the physical buttons on the player as and when 
you enter the room and leave it again. Or, you can adjust the volume using the 
iOS controller App either in sync, i.e. change the two volumes at the same time 
and at the same level, or, you can adjust them from the App independently of 
each other.

Either way, adding zones to a group, and later removing them, or, changing the 
volume using the App or physical buttons, with Sonos its as easy as ABC 1,2,3.

I think you maybe over complicating how the system operates...



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 On 7 Jun 2015, at 17:10, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:
 
 Ahem, ok, let’s try to explain this in further detail:
 Say that my kitchen is playing an audio book, now i want this book to be 
 played in the bed room as well, so what i logically do then is link the two 
 rooms together right? This, however means that the sound plays in both rooms 
 even if i just want to play the sound from the kitchen in the bed room or 
 vise versa, so i want the rooms grouped but i want to play each unit 
 independently of each-other. Does that at all make sense?
 /Krister
 .
 
 7 jun 2015 kl. 17:59 skrev Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com:
 
 Krister,
 
 I’m not quite certain that I follow your question, I’ll give you a few 
 examples of what you can do, if I’ve not covered what you’re wishing to do, 
 please explain a little more.
 
 You can group players or zones as Sonos call them together, this means that 
 the source shall be played in complete sync across any zone within that 
 group, so, an audio book or other source.
 
 You can, provided you have either an Apple AirPort Express/Extreme connected 
 to your Sonos system, play directly from your Audible or other iOS App using 
 AirPlay, or, music from within the Sonos controller App from your phone / 
 iPad / iPod Touch to your Sonos system, either single zone or group.
 
 If you are asking can I play two different sources from my single device to 
 two different Sonos zones at the same time, I suspect not, but, it maybe 
 achievable with AirPlay and Sonos streaming from the device, however, not 
 recommended and may even not work.
 
 Please let me know a little more about what you are looking to do and 
 hopefully we can get this cracked.
 
 
 
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 On 7 Jun 2015, at 16:53, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Another Sonos related question that i would love to have the answer to is 
 this: I want to have two rooms playing the same type of thing, in this case 
 an audio book but i want to have the units in those rooms playable 
 independently of eachother, that is, all that the units share is what they 
 play, can this at all be done?
 /Krister
 
 7 jun 2015 kl. 17:47 skrev Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com:
 
 Louise,
 
 Long time no speak, if you’re still living locally and need more help then 
 the below, get in touch and I’ll see if I can help you out.
 
 As Sieghard has already answered most of this hopefully you’re already 
 good, but, here’s a quick round up.
 
 Shuffle mode for music playback with the iPhone iOS controller is found 
 within the Queue, which is the very last button on the iOS controller for 
 iPhone, bottom right of the screen. Double tap this and at the top there 
 are three options, close the queue, shuffle and repeat.
 
 You can also from this menu select by double tapping on it any of the 
 tracks in your queue, you can also, at the bottom of the screen edit the 
 queue, save the queue for future play  and other options.
 
 The iPad controller for iOS has a few more of the discrete menu controls 
 out on the main interface owing to the greater level of screen relostate 
 available on that platform.
 
 Sieghard is correct, when using the stream function from another device to 
 the Sonos system you cannot access music locally stored on other devices 
 with controllers installed to play that music, however, as Sieghard has 
 said, you can have this music on a computer/laptop

Re: Sonos questions

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Krister,

I’m not quite certain that I follow your question, I’ll give you a few examples 
of what you can do, if I’ve not covered what you’re wishing to do, please 
explain a little more.

You can group players or zones as Sonos call them together, this means that the 
source shall be played in complete sync across any zone within that group, so, 
an audio book or other source.

You can, provided you have either an Apple AirPort Express/Extreme connected to 
your Sonos system, play directly from your Audible or other iOS App using 
AirPlay, or, music from within the Sonos controller App from your phone / iPad 
/ iPod Touch to your Sonos system, either single zone or group.

If you are asking can I play two different sources from my single device to two 
different Sonos zones at the same time, I suspect not, but, it maybe achievable 
with AirPlay and Sonos streaming from the device, however, not recommended and 
may even not work.

Please let me know a little more about what you are looking to do and hopefully 
we can get this cracked.



Regards,

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 On 7 Jun 2015, at 16:53, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Another Sonos related question that i would love to have the answer to is 
 this: I want to have two rooms playing the same type of thing, in this case 
 an audio book but i want to have the units in those rooms playable 
 independently of eachother, that is, all that the units share is what they 
 play, can this at all be done?
 /Krister
 
 7 jun 2015 kl. 17:47 skrev Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com:
 
 Louise,
 
 Long time no speak, if you’re still living locally and need more help then 
 the below, get in touch and I’ll see if I can help you out.
 
 As Sieghard has already answered most of this hopefully you’re already good, 
 but, here’s a quick round up.
 
 Shuffle mode for music playback with the iPhone iOS controller is found 
 within the Queue, which is the very last button on the iOS controller for 
 iPhone, bottom right of the screen. Double tap this and at the top there are 
 three options, close the queue, shuffle and repeat.
 
 You can also from this menu select by double tapping on it any of the tracks 
 in your queue, you can also, at the bottom of the screen edit the queue, 
 save the queue for future play  and other options.
 
 The iPad controller for iOS has a few more of the discrete menu controls out 
 on the main interface owing to the greater level of screen relostate 
 available on that platform.
 
 Sieghard is correct, when using the stream function from another device to 
 the Sonos system you cannot access music locally stored on other devices 
 with controllers installed to play that music, however, as Sieghard has 
 said, you can have this music on a computer/laptop on your network, which 
 must be left on at all times you want it, and, it must be within a folder 
 that is publicly accessible on the network, the other, better option is a 
 NAS (network attached storage) unit or network hard-drive. These use very 
 little electricity and are an always on solution, this is what I do 
 personally, then anyone using your system can access that music from any 
 controller at any time.
 
 Hope that this helps, and, welcome to Sonos!
 
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Neil Barnfather
 
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 Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
 
 On 12 Apr 2015, at 18:22, Louise Redsull louisereds...@googlemail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 So I took the plunge and have purchased Sonos (a play 3 and a play 5). So 
 far things are going pretty well and set-up was fairly easy. I just have a 
 couple of questions.
 
 1. Has anyone found the add services screen to be a bit inaccessible as you 
 cannot flick through the services?
 2. Can you only shuffle spotify playlists using the IPad as a controller as 
 I cannot find a shuffle button on the Iphone app anywhere?
 3. Is there a way for my partner to be able to search and play music which 
 is on my Ipad using his IPhone or IPad? Similarly I can I search and see 
 the music on my IPad using my IPhone? I do not have music match but have 
 saved music onto my Ipad as it has more space than my phone. Or can I only 
 search the music on that particular device I am using?
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 Louise.
 
 
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Re: Sonos questions

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Louise,

Long time no speak, if you’re still living locally and need more help then the 
below, get in touch and I’ll see if I can help you out.

As Sieghard has already answered most of this hopefully you’re already good, 
but, here’s a quick round up.

Shuffle mode for music playback with the iPhone iOS controller is found within 
the Queue, which is the very last button on the iOS controller for iPhone, 
bottom right of the screen. Double tap this and at the top there are three 
options, close the queue, shuffle and repeat.

You can also from this menu select by double tapping on it any of the tracks in 
your queue, you can also, at the bottom of the screen edit the queue, save the 
queue for future play  and other options.

The iPad controller for iOS has a few more of the discrete menu controls out on 
the main interface owing to the greater level of screen relostate available on 
that platform.

Sieghard is correct, when using the stream function from another device to the 
Sonos system you cannot access music locally stored on other devices with 
controllers installed to play that music, however, as Sieghard has said, you 
can have this music on a computer/laptop on your network, which must be left on 
at all times you want it, and, it must be within a folder that is publicly 
accessible on the network, the other, better option is a NAS (network attached 
storage) unit or network hard-drive. These use very little electricity and are 
an always on solution, this is what I do personally, then anyone using your 
system can access that music from any controller at any time.

Hope that this helps, and, welcome to Sonos!



Regards,

Neil Barnfather

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 On 12 Apr 2015, at 18:22, Louise Redsull louisereds...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 So I took the plunge and have purchased Sonos (a play 3 and a play 5). So far 
 things are going pretty well and set-up was fairly easy. I just have a couple 
 of questions.
  
 1. Has anyone found the add services screen to be a bit inaccessible as you 
 cannot flick through the services?
 2. Can you only shuffle spotify playlists using the IPad as a controller as I 
 cannot find a shuffle button on the Iphone app anywhere?
 3. Is there a way for my partner to be able to search and play music which is 
 on my Ipad using his IPhone or IPad? Similarly I can I search and see the 
 music on my IPad using my IPhone? I do not have music match but have saved 
 music onto my Ipad as it has more space than my phone. Or can I only search 
 the music on that particular device I am using?
  
 Thanks in advance,
  
 Louise.
  
 
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HiveHome iOS App gets an accessible Update (UK customers)

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Hi All,

For those of you in the UK, Hive, who are owned by British Gas trading under 
the name HiveHome, produce the Hive automation thermostatic heating and hot 
water control system.

In the past the iOS App, whilst usable had some glitches that made it not as 
user friendly as it was to sighted users. The latest release of the App fixes 
almost all issues, but, importantly you can now easily using standard iOS 
accessibility jesters such as swiping and flicking control the primary features 
of the app; heating temperature, schedule for 4 or 6 times daily modes of 
control, copying the schedule from one day to another, hot water modes, heating 
modes and much more besides, assessing the current indoor temperature and 
outdoor forecasted conditions and temperature.

All in all a good update which makes this system pretty much fully blind 
friendly.





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Re: Amazed by my new Sonos Play 1 speakers, was: Sonos!

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Krista,

The Play1 is a single point stereo source, whereas the Play3 is a speaker which 
has left and right speaker output…

What I mean by this is that the Play1 only has a single speaker within it, so, 
whilst it does play both left and right channels, it does this through a single 
speaker, we call this single point stereo.

The Play3 on the other hand, as the name suggests, has 3 speakers within it. 
Two of these are used for left right allocation, the other base.

There is also a nifty aspect to the Play3, if you have it landscape, that is to 
say wider / longer than taller, the unit plays as a stereo unit as described 
above, however, if you buy a second Play3 for use in a stereo pair situation, 
you can put the Play3 on its end, that is to say, taller than wider / longer. 
In this configuration the Play3 automatically uses one of its speakers as 
tweeter, one as mids, and the other as base.

All very cleaver indeed, you can hear the difference if you simply rotate a 
Play3 in your hands as it switches between modes.

The Play5 does not have this capability, but, as again the name suggests, the 
Play5 has dedicated mids meaning that such a feature is wasted. When the Play5 
is paired in stereo mode all 5 speakers though are dedicated to the task of 
single channel stereo output, that is to say, either left or right channel. I 
have this setup in my kitchen, two Play5’s and a sub, it sounds beyond amazing.





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On 15 Nov 2014, at 09:59, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 Hi Thomas,
 
 Sonos is much more than just a wireless speaker. Anyhow, the short answer is 
 yes, Sonos supports Pandora, Tune In, iHeart and about 30 more services both 
 free and paid including all the popular ones like Spotify, Sirius, Slacker, 
 Songza and much, much more.
 
 I started with Sonos about 4 years ago when they didn;'t even have any 
 stand-alone players. Then the first one they released was the Play 5 which is 
 now their top of the line stand alone speaker. I just received two of the 
 Play 1 players today which I am now using as rear speakers together with the 
 Sonos Playbar and Sub. Before I set them up as rear speakers I set them up as 
 a stereo pair by themselves and I was blown away by their sound. The things 
 are small although for their size quite heavy and after I played them for a 
 while like that I added my Sub to the configuration and doing that is truly 
 awesome. Setting two of these up in stereo mode with a Sub is a $900 setup, 
 but it easily sounds as good as a conventional amplifier/receiver with 
 tradition speakers which cost 2 to 3 times that much or even more. I do know 
 a fair bit about high-end audio and have some extremely high-end stuff in my 
 music room downstairs, but this just blew me away and I was only using the 
 Play 1. Do this with a set of Play 5 and a Sub which would be a $1,500 setup 
 and I think you would just not believe the result.
 Anyhow, I then reconfigured the Play 1 players as my rear speakers, listened 
 to a bit of music and then to half an hour or so of the movie Tatanic via 
 Netflix and I couldn't be happier with this setup.
 I don't think I'd buy a Sonos Connect Amp any more nowadays (that is the 
 $700, 110 Watt amplifer which hooks up to regular speakers) but most likely 
 would get 2 Play 3 or 2 Play 5 for the bedroom along with a Sub. Only 
 advantage of the Connect Amp is that you can use in-ceiling or in-wall 
 speakers which is nice in the bathroom or kitchen where space might be an 
 issue.
 
 Thomas, feel free to contact me off-list if you have more Sonos questions. My 
 email is siegh...@live.ca.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 
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Re: new in latest BBC iPlayer update

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The only issue with the AD function that I have found is that the AD works fine 
when you select the newest available episode to watch from the Audio Described 
category, however, if you select any of the older episodes which are available, 
still from the AD category, these are not Audio Described…

Someone has dropped a clanger there.



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On 5 Nov 2014, at 12:19, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote:

 Oh of course, as it would only be in the UK App Store. So unless you can 
 create a UK based Apple ID you can't get the app period.
 
 On 05/11/2014 09:04, David wrote:
 but you still won't be able to get the app.
 
 Dave.
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 You could providing you use a VPN connection so it looks as if you're
 connected from the U.K. when really you're not.
 
 
 
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 hi i would like to know if people out side of the uk like people who
 live in canada can use this player? since i would be interested in the
 audio description. from Mich.
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 We don't ususually bother with IPlayer because, until now, this has
 not been
 the case.
 
 If anyone finds the audio described items and takes a look as to who does
 the description and how good it is, we'd all like to know, I'm sure!
 
 Carol P
 
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iOS Accessibility of UK TV set top boxes

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Hi fellow UK iOS users,

Quick question for you, has anyone had to much experience with the You View iOS 
App, and, how well does it work with Apple’s Voice Over to control the You View 
box… Like wise, slightly OT, but, does the You View box offer audio describe 
for BBC iPlayer and ITV Player?

Does anyone have any other experiences to comment on with other iOS controllers 
for set top boxes such as Sky and / or Virgin Media etc?

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Re: accessible heating control apps?

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Simon,

I have been using the HiveHome solution from British Gas now for the past 5 or 
so months, note that you do not have to be a British Gas customer to purchase 
the system...

Overall the iOS App is accessible enough to do what you need to on the fly, 
that is, increase / decrease the temperature of your heating, turn on / off hot 
water etc, and, flick between manual, off and scheduled modes for both hot 
water and heating.

You do have to perform a double tap and hold gesture to affect the temperature 
on the heating control screen, but, once you know this it is fine.

The other aspects of the app, setting your schedule etc is a little more 
difficult using the app, however, it can be achieved using HiveHome's web-site, 
www.hivehome.com

The other useful thing of course is that with a setup like this, you can always 
have a trusted friend / family member log in remotely and make those schedule 
changes for you...

I like the Geo feature of this app as well, which can turn on / off your 
heating based on how far away / close to your home you are.

I ultimately would buy this solution again if I had to make that choice over, 
it has definitely saved me money, and, I like the independence it grants me... 
Being able to turn the heating on before I get out of bed in the morning is 
certainly a plus too!



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On 2 Oct 2014, at 04:14, goshawk on horseback 
goshawk_on_horseb...@fastmail.co.uk wrote:

 hello all,
 am going to be having a new central heating boiler fitted very soon, and 
 whilst that is being done, I thought I would look in to also getting one of 
 these heating control iPhone apps, with the appropriate hardware. the problem 
 is, that there seem to be a number of different apps, presumably for 
 different control systems out there. so does anyone know which ones are the 
 most voiceOver accessible?
 it has got to be a system where the required hardware is available in/for the 
 UK please.
 thanks in advance.
  
 Simon
  
  
 
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iOS8 vibration bug...?

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

All,

Just a quick note, I may have missed this, but, is anyone else noticing the 
below...

Using an iPhone6 64Gb running the latest public build of iOS8.0.2.

When the hardware button is set to silent mode, and, vibrate on silent is 
set to on in the Settings/Sound menu, my iPhone6 only vibrates once when the 
device received and incoming call.

I have Voice Over set to read lock screen notifications, so of course, about 4 
seconds into the incoming call commencing, Voice Over kicks in and announces 
that there is an incoming call from xyz etc...

If I turn off Voice Over the vibration feature works as expected, in that, it 
will continue to vibrate whilst the phone rings.

Anyone else noted this at all?

Many thanks.



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Re: Sonos and IOS 8.

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Annie,

It can occur if you have an awful lot of music stored on your handset, do you 
have a large amount of music stored on your phone itself?



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On 21 Sep 2014, at 23:17, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 Not my experience. I often have the Sonos app in the app switcher and don't
 notice any unusual battery drain.
 
 
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 Subject: Sonos and IOS 8.
 
 Hi all.
 
 Does anyone find that the sonos app is using a lot of power it can drain the
 phone very quickly. It is as if you can not close the sonos app down in app
 switcher. It can use all my battery in 2 hours on a 5s. I am pretty sure it
 is the sonos app.
 
 Best regards Annie.
 
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Re: Sonos

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

John,

The shuffle feature is indeed accessible using the iOS App controller, launch 
the App, at the bottom right of the display find the queue button, double tap 
this.

At the top of the screen, there are three options that are relevant, shuffle, 
repeat and close, all relating to the queue.





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On 14 Sep 2014, at 23:11, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote:

 For those of you who use the Sonos App is their a way to turn on the
 shuffle feature from within the app? Also, they are saying that we
 don't need a bridge anymore has any one tried taking off the bridge?
 
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Re: what's the current state of sonos accessability???? kind regards trey.

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Hi,

I was one of the people who wrote a review a while ago now about Sonos 
accessibility, * note to self, update post * From early 2014 the Sonos iOS app 
became fully accessible, and, from my perspective is an excellent 
implementation of accessible and usable interface planning and construction... 
The solution on OSx needs still work, however, I am aware that it will get a 
make over in time.

Until which though, the iOS iPhone and iPad versions are great.



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On 4 Sep 2014, at 17:46, trahern culver sound.warrio...@gmail.com wrote:

 hey all, does any one know the current state of sonos accessibility? 
 
 in reply to a topic i posted a few days ago i was told that sonos products 
 are accessible, but my google surches have bought up posts where there are 
 concerns over sonos accessibility. 
 
 so what's the current level of accessibility in the current versions of the 
 sonos control software for iOS and mac os10??? 
 
 your help with these questions would be most welcome kind regards trey.
 
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Re: what's the current state of sonos accessability???? kind regards trey.

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None, the system is fully accessible, works out of the box, and, even first 
time setup is easily explained.



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On 4 Sep 2014, at 18:08, trahern culver sound.warrio...@gmail.com wrote:

 are there any pit falls i need to look out for?? kind regards trey.
 
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Re: what's the current state of sonos accessibility???? kind regards trey.

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Previously at least one Sonos unit within your Sonos setup had to be connected 
by physical wired connection to your network, this unit, and / or other wired 
units, would then create a dedicated Sonos WiFi network that was solely for the 
Sonos system to use.

Sonos changed there system publicly about a month ago now, although some of us 
were using it for longer previously, to allow all of your Sonos units to use 
your existing WiFi network without the need for any one unit to have a physical 
connection.

For me, I've tried it both ways and cannot find nor determine a difference, the 
reason that they did it I believe is to try and help people out who live in 
crowded WiFi congestion areas.

Sonos are also bringing out a Sonos Boost, which is like a Bridge but has 
double the WiFi range to try and help people who have distance issues in their 
Sonos networks.

I've played with this unit, but, since I do not have distance constraints its 
not something I need. In my home I put a boost at one end of the property, a 
Play 5 at the far end, a rough distance of 400 feet and 4 double thick walls 
and it worked perfectly. The same setup but with a Bridge rather than Boost 
would not work.

I don't have this issue myself as I have physical wiring throughout my home, 
and, enough Sonos units so that they form a mesh network in any event.



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On 5 Sep 2014, at 02:06, Brent Harding br...@hostany.net wrote:

 I heard now that they will support connecting with wifi without needing the 
 bridges any more. That might be some kind of firmware update, or newer 
 models, but I saw something like that on Twitter.
 
 - Original Message - From: Robin Frost robinn...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2014 3:35 PM
 Subject: Re: what's the current state of sonos accessibility kind regards 
 trey.
 
 
 Hi,
 As I'm the owner of a brand new system as in the past 6 weeks I'm happy to
 report that I haven't run into any pitfalls as of yet.  the sonos team via
 twitter has been one of the most supportive and helpful I've ever
 encountered. the products are easy to set up even with little knowledge
 therein and the app works fabulously well with VoiceOver.
 My public thanks to all who assisted Sonos in making the changes that
 enhanced accessibility via their app.
 If you get one I hope you enjoy it as much as I and others are enjoying the
 products as well.
 Robin
 
 
 -Original Message- From: trahern culver
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Re: what's the current state of sonos accessibility???? kind regards trey.

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Sieghard,

Thank you, and, I'm pleased that so many of us now can benefit from people like 
us badgering the heck out of folks at firms like Sonos.

Happy also to talk with anyone off list about requirements... My current Sonos 
network consist of:

5 x Connects,
1 x Sub connected to a Play 5
2 x Play5's in stereo pair mode,
1 x Play1,
2 x Play 3 in stereo pair,
1 x Play 3
1 x Sound Bar, 2 x Play5 and 2 x Play3 in surround mode.
1 x Bridge

All in all, its a cracking setup.



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On 5 Sep 2014, at 06:04, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 Hi Alan and Robin,
 
 Thanks for the kind words, but Neil Barnfather also should be mentioned
 here, probably more so than me when it comes to implementing accessibility.
 Yes, in some way I hope my persistent correspondence with Sonos had a bit of
 influence in getting them to make a commitment towards accessibility, but
 Neil I think had dealings with people that were higher up on the corporate
 ladder. I have been a Sonos user for 5 years and I definitely have been a
 pain in the somewhere at times and I also did Beta test for them, but it's
 also because of all the other blind users and I think by now there are many
 that they realised they really had to support accessibility.
 
 I think Sonos is far from done innovating and I look forward to what they
 come up with next. I have a rather high-end Sony receiver which sounds
 awesome when it's hooked up to a good set of speakers, but I'm almost at a
 point where I might end up selling it so I can get a Playbar along with a
 Sonos Sub and a few Play 3 or Play 5 players for rear speakers. My receiver
 is not that old, but unfortunately I bought it a couple of years before many
 receivers came out with network connectivity and apps to control them so
 apart from turning it on, switching sources and turning the volume up and
 down it's rather inaccessible and once you get used to products like Sonos
 and the Apple TV you get spoiled in the accessibility department.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
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 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Robin Frost
 Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2014 8:03 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: what's the current state of sonos accessibility kind
 regards trey.
 
 Hi,
 I completely concur with all you've said knowledgeable and kind is he. If he
 had something to do with the accessibility of that app being enhanced I am
 deeply grateful as I've had much fun with this system.
 Robin
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Anthony Vece
 Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2014 8:51 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: what's the current state of sonos accessibility kind
 regards trey.
 
 Hi Robin;
 
 You could thank our friend Sieghard.
 The Sonos people worked very closely with him.
 I would have to say that Sieghard is one of the most knowledgable
 individuals I have ever had the pleasure of dealing with.
 
 Anthony
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone 5s!
 
 On Sep 4, 2014, at 4:35 PM, Robin Frost robinn...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 As I'm the owner of a brand new system as in the past 6 weeks I'm 
 happy to report that I haven't run into any pitfalls as of yet.  the 
 sonos team via twitter has been one of the most supportive and helpful 
 I've ever encountered. the products are easy to set up even with 
 little knowledge therein and the app works fabulously well with VoiceOver.
 My public thanks to all who assisted Sonos in making the changes that 
 enhanced accessibility via their app.
 If you get one I hope you enjoy it as much as I and others are 
 enjoying the products as well.
 Robin
 
 
 -Original Message- From: trahern culver
 Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2014 1:08 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: what's the current state of sonos accessability kind 
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FaceBook (iOS) Notifications

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

All,

Now that the doubling up issue has been resolved within the latest public build 
of FaceBook for iOS, I'm noticing another issue about the app which is annoying 
me!

Previously when a notification appeared on the locked screen, or, when viewing 
FaceBook notifications within the Notification tab of the app itself, the full 
notification would be read aloud.

Now on the locked screen it just says something like: Neil Barnfather commented 
on your post...

and, within the Notification tab of the app itself it just says: Neil 
Barnfather commented on your post, you physically have to click on the comment 
etc to read it... grrr... most annoying, anyone else noticed and is there 
please a fix!



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Re: Aria Scale

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All,

Have been using the FitBit Aria now for just over a year, brilliant device, 
easy to setup using Voice Over and the FitBit iOS app, and as others have said, 
not only accurate, but, through the app you maintain a record of your weight, 
BMI and other key stats, which is useful and interesting.

This also goes towards the app being more accurate when counting your steps 
etc, plus, calories burned when walking and exercising, after all, a lighter 
person may use less or more energy to excercise etc.

The scales can be linked to up to 8 FitBit accounts making this a great unit 
for the family, I also like the fact that I, for the first time in my life, am 
able to weigh myself in absolute privacy.



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On 9 Aug 2014, at 17:37, Lois Butterfield lbutterfield...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Linda,
 
 You can easily do it if you have the fitbit app on your phone.  There are 
 good step-by-step instructions to gide you through.
 
 Good luck,
 Lois
 
 
 
 
 Lois Butterfield, Certified Scentsy Consultant
 http://loisbutterfield.scentsy.us
 lbutterfie...@cfl.rr.com
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 -Original Message- From: Lynda Ingraham
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 Subject: Aria Scale
 
 Will I need sighted assistance to set up the Aria scale with my Fit Bit?
 
 Thank you,
 
 Lynda
 
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Re: Fitbit application setup

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When I opened my FitBit account last year, using only the FitBit iOS app, it at 
the account creation stage, rather than the adding of the FitBit device, asked 
me my personal stats such as weight, age, gender height etc.



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On 10 Aug 2014, at 14:25, Lynda Ingraham lynda.ingra...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Marie,
  
 I use the Zip. At least in the case of the Zip, you have to enter your 
 starting information on the website.
  
 HTH
  
 Lynda
  
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 How can I input the details of my height and weight when I can't see any edit 
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 Can anyone using the flex  enlighten me please?
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Re: Sonos multi-room Wireless music system was: Bluetooth speakers

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Sieghard,

As always a great review and feedback. A few pointers on your notes...

All three Sonos Play units, Play 5, Play 3, and Play 1, can be configured into 
a stereo pair, they work brilliantly like this... Further, you can add a Sonos 
Sub to any combination of:

Play 5 either single or stereo pair,

Play 3 either single or stereo pair

Play 1 either single or stereo pair.

You can also add the sub to the Sonos Connect Amp but not the Connect as they 
assume that you have an existing HiFi infrastructure for that.

The iOS app as you say has recently undergone some major changes, I worked 
closely with Sonos on these and am very pleased with the result.



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On 13 Jul 2014, at 08:54, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 Hi List,
 
 For those who are in the market for a good speaker/boombox, I thought I
 remind people again about the Sonos multi-room wireless music system. I feel
 that their offering is superior to most everything else because what they
 offer is more than a Bluetooth or Airplay speaker. Sonos doesn't natively
 support Airplay, but one can Airplay enable a Sonos system by hooking an
 Airport Express up to one of the players via the 3.5mm audio out on the
 Airport Express. Basically the Airport Express is just a source and if you
 Airplay to it you can access this from any Sonos player in your house.
 
 Currently Sonos makes 7 different players:
 
 1. Connect: a small box which can be connected to an existing receiver via
 Optical Digital, Coax Digital or analog RCA.
 The Connect also has 1 set of RCA inputs which let's you hook up a CD
 player, portable player like a VictorReader Stream, a laptop etc. Anything
 that has a 3.5mm or RCA output.
 
 2. Connect Amp: This is similar to a Connect except that it has an
 integrated 110 Watt Class D amplifier (55 Watts per channel). It also has
 the RCA input as well as an RCA output for hooking up a conventional powered
 subwover.
 Furthermore there are regular speaker terminals like you would find on any
 receiver or amplifier and with a good set of speakers the Connect Amp sounds
 fantastic, well, basically as good as your speakers; the amplifier is of
 very good quality.
 
 3.  Play 5: This is their first and top of the line portable boombox type
 player. It has 5 separate Class D amplifiers and speakers in a traditional
 boombox style player.
 
 4. Play 3: a smaller version of the Play 5, I don't have one of those so
 can't say anything about it from my own experience.
 
 5. Play 1: yet a smaller and more economical portable player, once again I
 only own a Play 5 and a few Connect and Connect Amp players and have no
 experience with it. I believe both the Play 1 and Play 3 can be used as a
 pair for stereo.
 
 6. Playbar: A long speaker, actually multiple speakers, designed to sit
 under a TV for surround sound. This can be used in conjunction with Play 1
 or Play 3 units to create a wireless system with front and rear speakers.
 
 7. Sonos Sub: This is a wireless subwover which works seamlessly with the
 Connect Amp, the Playbar and I think the Play 5.
 
 What I like about Sonos is the versatility and the fact that you can expand
 the system by adding any of the zone players into the mix.
 
 The Sonos system requires an internet connection and you can achieve this
 either by hooking up one of the players to your router (they all have
 Ethernet network ports) or, if you want the freedom to move the player
 around, you can get the ZoneBridge for I think $80. It connects to your
 router and creates the network the Sonos system uses.
 
 You can then play any internet radio station you would find in apps like
 Tune In or Ootunes and Sonos supports just about every music service there
 is such as Sirius/XM, Spotify, Rhapsody and many many more.
 
 Your entire Sonos system can be controlled either from the iPhone app (of
 course this also works on an iPod Touch and iPad), they have an Android
 controller as well as controllers for the PC and Mac. The iOS app has
 recently undergone some major updates and while it was quite accessible and
 very useable before, it's now near perfect and a joy to use.
 The desktop controller for the PC works fine with Jaws and I can't speak for
 Android or the Mac.
 
 I am sure there are many good speakers out there but most of them are mostly
 just that, speakers. Sonos goes beyond that by creating a music system which
 is more than just a speaker because it works seamlessly across an entire
 large house if you wish, you could have a dozen of their various players
 from the portable ones to the Connect or Connect Amp + a Playbar with a few
 Play 

Re: Sonos multi-room Wireless music system was: Bluetooth speakers

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

The Mac application is not perfect, but, you can label many of the unlabelled 
buttons, the help tags are present which makes labelling quick and easy.

as for iOS app compatibility and accessibility, it wasn't 100% but now is close 
as dam it, they now have a policy in place to effectively accessibility test 
all beta programs which should prevent your fear.



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On 13 Jul 2014, at 10:33, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:

 Hi,
 From what i've heard, and remember this is just what i've heard from a friend 
 who's a mac- and Sonos owner, and this makes me a bit hesitant to the system, 
 only the IPhone- and the Android apps are accessible. The Mac controler 
 doesn't work at all from what i've gathered. Maybe i'm wrong and in that 
 case, please correct me as i'm actually thinking of getting a sonos system 
 when and if i ever can afford it. The reason why i'm hesitant though is that 
 if only say the phone app is accessible and you have the Sonos as your only 
 source of sound and the app should be upgraded and the accessibility break, 
 then you're basically smoked.
 /Krister
 
 13 jul 2014 kl. 09:54 skrev Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca:
 
 Hi List,
 
 For those who are in the market for a good speaker/boombox, I thought I
 remind people again about the Sonos multi-room wireless music system. I feel
 that their offering is superior to most everything else because what they
 offer is more than a Bluetooth or Airplay speaker. Sonos doesn't natively
 support Airplay, but one can Airplay enable a Sonos system by hooking an
 Airport Express up to one of the players via the 3.5mm audio out on the
 Airport Express. Basically the Airport Express is just a source and if you
 Airplay to it you can access this from any Sonos player in your house.
 
 Currently Sonos makes 7 different players:
 
 1. Connect: a small box which can be connected to an existing receiver via
 Optical Digital, Coax Digital or analog RCA.
 The Connect also has 1 set of RCA inputs which let's you hook up a CD
 player, portable player like a VictorReader Stream, a laptop etc. Anything
 that has a 3.5mm or RCA output.
 
 2. Connect Amp: This is similar to a Connect except that it has an
 integrated 110 Watt Class D amplifier (55 Watts per channel). It also has
 the RCA input as well as an RCA output for hooking up a conventional powered
 subwover.
 Furthermore there are regular speaker terminals like you would find on any
 receiver or amplifier and with a good set of speakers the Connect Amp sounds
 fantastic, well, basically as good as your speakers; the amplifier is of
 very good quality.
 
 3.  Play 5: This is their first and top of the line portable boombox type
 player. It has 5 separate Class D amplifiers and speakers in a traditional
 boombox style player.
 
 4. Play 3: a smaller version of the Play 5, I don't have one of those so
 can't say anything about it from my own experience.
 
 5. Play 1: yet a smaller and more economical portable player, once again I
 only own a Play 5 and a few Connect and Connect Amp players and have no
 experience with it. I believe both the Play 1 and Play 3 can be used as a
 pair for stereo.
 
 6. Playbar: A long speaker, actually multiple speakers, designed to sit
 under a TV for surround sound. This can be used in conjunction with Play 1
 or Play 3 units to create a wireless system with front and rear speakers.
 
 7. Sonos Sub: This is a wireless subwover which works seamlessly with the
 Connect Amp, the Playbar and I think the Play 5.
 
 What I like about Sonos is the versatility and the fact that you can expand
 the system by adding any of the zone players into the mix.
 
 The Sonos system requires an internet connection and you can achieve this
 either by hooking up one of the players to your router (they all have
 Ethernet network ports) or, if you want the freedom to move the player
 around, you can get the ZoneBridge for I think $80. It connects to your
 router and creates the network the Sonos system uses.
 
 You can then play any internet radio station you would find in apps like
 Tune In or Ootunes and Sonos supports just about every music service there
 is such as Sirius/XM, Spotify, Rhapsody and many many more.
 
 Your entire Sonos system can be controlled either from the iPhone app (of
 course this also works on an iPod Touch and iPad), they have an Android
 controller as well as controllers for the PC and Mac. The iOS app has
 recently undergone some major updates and while it was quite accessible and
 very useable before, it's now near perfect and a joy to use.
 The desktop controller for the PC works fine with 

Re: a question about international iMessage and face time.

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

have you checked that you have their iMessage address in correctly.

They will need to be using their iPod Touch with a valid Apple ID, and, that 
Apple ID will need to be configured on their device for iMessaging.

Then you will need to ensure that you have that Apple ID e-mail address in your 
contact card for that individual.

These steps are the same for FaceTime etc.



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 hey thanks for your reply, I can iMessage and face time other US friends with 
 no problems kind regards trey.
 
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Re: fitbit and fitbit flex question

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I have been using FitBit for a while now, all FitBit devices can be configured 
and setup by Voice Over users independently and the FitBit official App is 
accessible without issue from my perspective.




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On 21 May 2014, at 13:12, denise avant denise.av...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 I just got a fitbit flex with sleep band. I am wondering which app goes with 
 the fitbit flex with sleep band. I have it paired with the free fitbit app, 
 but notice that the buttons for the previus day, day and next day buttons  
 are all dimmed. I have yet to find any of the buttons like the sync button I 
 heard about in a recent podcast. So, perhaps I have the wrong app or need to 
 do something else.
 thanks.
 
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Re: Sonos app accessibility?

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Garry,

The iOS App is usable if not fully accessible, in that you can use it and all 
of the Sonos features are operable.

Sonos are due to bring out a new revised App in the near future, so, that may 
also include some benefits in terms of accessibility.

One thing I can and will say is that Sonos is fantastic...



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On 24 Feb 2014, at 17:45, Garry Turkington gat.acc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I know several people have been using Sonos equipment in the past and
 that the controller app had somewhat erratic accessibility.
 
 I'm thinking of getting some Sonos components, how is the app
 accessibility these days?
 
 Thanks!
 Garry
 
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OT: Canada (Looking for someone who lives in the local area)

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Dear All,

Clearly off topic, please forgive! If you happen to live anywhere near to the 
below stated areas in Canada I'm looking to find a person with local knowledge 
who can offer some advice etc for an upcoming trip.

If you are able to advise or offer any help please drop me a line to: 
serv...@talknav.com

Canada:

Lethbridge,
Calgary,
Banff,
Lake Louise,

Many thanks in advance.



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Re: Apple TV

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Ben,

Just so that you know, I use NetFlix on my Apple TV here in the UK, only wish 
that some of the Sky Go services were available using it…

For now, I just AirPlay my iPad to my Apple TV and that does it just fine.



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On 8 Nov 2013, at 03:00, Ben Mustill-Rose b...@benmr.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 It's also worth noting that some of the added services may not be
 available in your country; as a UK user of the device I find the extra
 services to be extremely lacking although I understand that for
 american users this is not the case.
 
 Cheers,
 Ben.
 
 On 11/7/13, Rick Alfaro rick.alf...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Patty.
 
 Yes, Apple does update the Apple Tv to add additional content but one
 never knows what it will be. When I first got my Apple TV, besides
 iTunes stuff, it only had Netflix. Now they've added several things
 since then like HBO Bo, Hulu Plus and a few other things. Note however
 that for some of these you have to be subscribed to the service via one
 of the cariers like Comcast for example.
 
 
 
 Best Regards,
 
 Rick alfaro
 
 On 11/7/2013 5:28 PM, Patti Johnson wrote:
 I wrote in a few weeks ago asking some questions about what Apple tv has
 to offer and I really am appreciative of the response I got.
 What I forgot to ask though was, does the Apple TV ever have updates to
 the lineup of what they have to offer?
 
 I went onto the Roku website and discovered they have an IOS app.
 While I realize if I bought one of their boxes I couldn't use it with
 the remote, but with the roku app, would it work in the same was as say
 the other tv apps like the Uverse app worked, with voiceover?
   A friend told me the other day that she heard the FCC was going to
 make it mandatory for tv boxes to be accessible, but that would
 probably  be a long time in coming.
 Roku offers tons of stuff and I wish it were accessible, so that is why
 I was wondering if Apple TV updates with more categories and channels
 and such, so that it might be comparable to the Roku.
 
 Thanks for reading my rambles if you got this far,
 Patti
 
 
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Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Jonathan,

Or anyone for that matter, can someone explain what on Earth is wrong here?

You can turn off auto updates in Settings/iTunes  App Store, so what exactly 
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On 19 Oct 2013, at 06:57, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:

 Given the extensive discussion here about Apple downloading automatic updates 
 to devices, I thought some might be interested to know that a number of news 
 outlets are reporting that a California man is taking Tim Cook to Small 
 Claims Court over this issue. He's asking for $50 in compensation and for 
 Apple to address the issue, so he's obviously not doing this to get rich.
 It will be very interesting to see where this goes.
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Re: Passcode entry with handwriting

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

One of the things I really like about hand writing your pass code is that Voice 
Over does not announce the numbers I am drawing, and, I have got extremely good 
at writing them very small on the screen, as such, someone sighted does not, 
when looking over my shoulder, get the idea from my hand movements what I am 
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On 10 Oct 2013, at 06:31, Harry Bell ubupanora...@icloud.com wrote:

 I'm trying to learn to use voiceover but can't find out what to do after 
 writing the last number of my passcode. I use the rotor to turn on 
 handwriting on the lock screen and my 5s recognises my numbers. A sighted 
 person would then tap the OK button but I have no idea what gesture will 
 activate ok on the pass code screen and google has not helped. Any ideas, 
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Re: AppStore badge shwoing 2 Updates available but all apps listed in Updates are already downloaded

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Have either of you yet updated to iOS7? If not, this is likely what the issue 
is.

Some App updates are iOS7 only, and as such, I recall when I still had iOS6, 
before iOS7 was released, about 6 hours ahead of the release, my App Store 
badge kept cranking up higher and higher with available updates that were not 
there.

My iPad that I updated 3 days after the release of iOS7, had 37 updates showing 
that were not present in the Updates tab of the App Store app.

When I updated to iOS7 these disappeared following an update to all apps.



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On 2 Oct 2013, at 21:16, Donna merma...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 I'm having a similar issue, I'm showing that there 2 apps that need to be 
 updated, but only is showing up as needing to be updated. Automatic update is 
 off and I'm still using IOS 6.14 on an iPhone 5. 
 Donna
 
 On Oct 2, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
 kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu wrote:
 
 Hi,
  
 My AppStore icon reads 2 app updates available, but in AppStore Updates tab, 
 all apps listed are current, stating “Open”.
  
 Automatic app downloads is turned off; I double checked. I flicked through 
 all listed apps in the Updates tab, and all apps appear as “Open”, not just 
 the most recent few.
  
 iPhone 5 with latest iOS.
  
 Anyone else had this experience, or a possible explanation?
  
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Re: AppStore badge shwoing 2 Updates available but all apps listed in Updates are already downloaded

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

then I have no idea! hahaha



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On 3 Oct 2013, at 15:44, Isaac Hebert isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes I updated to iOS 7 on the date of release.
 
 On 10/3/13, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote:
 Have either of you yet updated to iOS7? If not, this is likely what the
 issue is.
 
 Some App updates are iOS7 only, and as such, I recall when I still had iOS6,
 before iOS7 was released, about 6 hours ahead of the release, my App Store
 badge kept cranking up higher and higher with available updates that were
 not there.
 
 My iPad that I updated 3 days after the release of iOS7, had 37 updates
 showing that were not present in the Updates tab of the App Store app.
 
 When I updated to iOS7 these disappeared following an update to all apps.
 
 
 
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 On 2 Oct 2013, at 21:16, Donna merma...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 I'm having a similar issue, I'm showing that there 2 apps that need to be
 updated, but only is showing up as needing to be updated. Automatic update
 is off and I'm still using IOS 6.14 on an iPhone 5.
 Donna
 
 On Oct 2, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
 kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 My AppStore icon reads 2 app updates available, but in AppStore Updates
 tab, all apps listed are current, stating “Open”.
 
 Automatic app downloads is turned off; I double checked. I flicked
 through all listed apps in the Updates tab, and all apps appear as
 “Open”, not just the most recent few.
 
 iPhone 5 with latest iOS.
 
 Anyone else had this experience, or a possible explanation?
 
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Re: Siri

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Carol, as Jonathan points out, changing the synth that Siri uses doesn't just 
change the synth that it speaks with, but, also what it is listening out for.

Depending on your accent natively and how specific it is, or localised perhaps, 
that will have further impact over the simple dialect that Siri is listening 
for.

What I am saying here is that its not just about the language, its more about 
how you say something, and not just accent, its about how you speak and the 
order of wording etc.



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On 22 Sep 2013, at 17:34, Carol carol.pearso...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Since upgrading to IOS7 I have noted a definitely lower standard of Siri's 
 interpretation.  Is this because Siri has started again from scratch for me, 
 or something else?  I have chosen to use the American female voice for Siri.  
 Does this, perhaps, mean that my requests to Siri are being handled by a 
 different server and not the one closest to me, thus a possible reason for 
 the increase in errors?
 
 Any comments would be most welcome.
 
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Re: control center

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

James et al,

I think the confusion is caused by the fact that in Settings/Control Centre the 
instruction is to simply swipe up from the bottom of the screen, there is no 
direction as to how to do this with Voice Over…

For me, I also couldn't make it work, until yesterday evening when I touched 
the top of the screen to hear the time, and did nothing else, Voice OVer then 
read the help tag which told me to swipe down for the Notification Centre and 
up for the Control Centre.

This is not in line with the generic text as to how to operate the Control 
Centre found in the Settings/Control Centre.

It would have been helpful if there had been a note to explain this, also, now 
we find that some of the folk that have had iOS7 a little longer in fact no of 
other, additional, work arounds and methods of bringing it up.

Essentially, you're not alone in being confused and now I've found it I find it 
of use to have those specific commands in one location.



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On 19 Sep 2013, at 16:04, James Lockwood lockwoo...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am not too happy with IOS7 myself. But, i have noticed, i am unable to get 
 the control centre to pup up with voice over on. when i flick upwards i just 
 get the default ding sound. if i take voice over off, and flick upwards, then 
 re-enable voice over, control centre is then up. anyone else having this 
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Re: Voice Over Audio Issue

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Steve,

The update will mean that you have to let your phone download and install the 
high quality synth file, this will only happen when your phone is locked, on 
charge and connected to WiFi, so do these three things and wait about 30 
minutes.



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On 20 Sep 2013, at 09:55, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:

 you can turn off compact voices and then you need to plug in your i phone to 
 a power outlit and then download the high quollidey voices. hth. from Mich.
 - Original Message -
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 Subject: Voice Over Audio Issue
 
 After upgrading to IOS-7, the speech coming out of the little speaker on the 
 iPhone4 is now muffled and just does not sound good.  Plus, it's harder to 
 understand.
  
 I seem to recall in the past having to activate Compact voices to make things 
 sound better.
  
 Is this still an option and if so, how do you do it?
  
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Re: Search Bar in Safari

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Hi,

No, but yes, the search bar itself is gone, however, as with Safari on the Mac, 
you now perform a search within the address bar itself. So if you want a search 
you just type your search string into the address bar, if you know the URL you 
want to visit type that.





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On 20 Sep 2013, at 15:31, Victor Gouveia victor.gouv...@rogers.com wrote:

 Hi Folks,
  
 I seem to have misplaced the Google search bar in Safari.
  
 Has the new iOs 7 done away with it, and we now have to go to Google’s site 
 in order to perform a search?
  
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Re: IOS7, various frustrating difficulties

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Carol,

Certainly agree that the UK British English voice has some issues, and I'd 
encourage you to write to Apple about them, as for your other issues, I agree 
that the sensitivity seems to have been adjusted ever so slightly upwards, and, 
to me personally its slightly to high.



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On 20 Sep 2013, at 13:14, Carol carol.pearso...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 First, I love some things in IOS7 and think Apple have done a good job in 
 many areas.  However, so far as us VI's are concerned, it seems that there 
 are some definite difficulties and pitfalls and I'm feeling a bit frustrated 
 with these.
 
 First, for me at least the 4S is in some ways quite snappy and, in others, 
 just not quite snappy enough ...  Then, I'm a bit disappointed as the UK 
 English voice just doesn't sound quite right, even on its higher setting and 
 awful on its compact setting.  Since we listen to speech most of the time, 
 these voices really need to be very good!
 
 However, my main frustration right now is being unable to perform general 
 editing techniques nearly as well or as quickly as in IOS6.  This is because 
 of the more sensitive touch, which can create random incorrect letters.  This 
 would even be OK if, when editing and working through word by wor and letter 
 by letter, the voices were really tiptop and selecting was better than it is 
 at present.  I find I can no longer select and delete quantities of text as 
 before because so often the cursor jumps about (often putting me at the top 
 of a message when I was editing further down)  (or the pinch method just 
 doesn't work at all.
 
 Finally, I am finding the dictation when using Siri, less accurate than 
 before and I was looking forward to seeing some leaps forward in this area.
 
 M-Braille is definitely my best bet here right now for writing but I still 
 have a need to utilise these other skills when I need to get things done 
 quickly and corretly.
 
 The matter which brought this in focus for me was when I was trying to text a 
 quick message into which I needed to place some numeric and punctuation 
 signs.  I found that, when in touch typing mode, it was just too easy to 
 slide a finger and find that a character was selected and then extra 
 characters were available to me, but they just got inserted every time I slid 
 my finger around - so a real mess! I did try to edit using standard typing 
 and this was a little better, but I don't want to use this as I find it 
 generally much quicker to use the touch typing method.
 
 I'd love some of you to try out texting, including the characters that are 
 available in the Numbersoption, and see what you think!
 
 For now, I'm taking a break and a cuppa!
 
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Apple App Store Refunds for inaccessible Apps

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

The below should prove a concern to all Apple accessibility feature users, and 
I would urge as many of you who can do so, to please write to Apple yourselves 
to express your concern along the same lines where possible… 
(accessibil...@apple.com).

For years now Apple has led the way in accessibility standards and application 
of methods in interacting with all of its product range. Internationally within 
many disability arenas Apple is celebrated as the defacto standard and is 
widely acknowledged as users preferred platform for persons with accessibility 
issues.

Whether or not the App Store had an unofficial policy towards customers with 
accessibility needs or not, is unknown to me. What I am aware of is that where 
I've bought Apps which turn out not to be accessible, Apple App Store has 
always been prompt to refund the purchase immediately without question.

Since Apple do not enforce accessibility standards, nor in anyway whatsoever 
offer a method of a disabled user to know whether or not an App is, or is not, 
accessible in advance of purchase, this seemed to be a most reasonable 
compromise.

However, in correspondence over the past week with Apple iTunes support staff 
via e-mail in relation to an App I have purchased which is inaccessible, 
Apple's stance has been both surprising and frankly highly dismissive of our 
needs and vulnerability when using Apple's App Store.

I have been point blank refused a refund upon this occasion, with staff 
suggesting that I could leave a review for the App which others could read, and 
or write to the developer. Whilst I understand that the second suggestion may 
illicit a positive response, and sometimes it does… In many instances 
developers haven't even heard of Voice Over let alone understand what it does 
and how they aught to address compliance with Apple's Accessibility API's.

Of course, the best approach would be for Apple to make compliance with its 
Accessibility API's a requirement for all new Apps being approved to the App 
Store, indeed a range of other options would also work, such as; a discount on 
the 30% cut that Apple takes for compliant Apps, a penalty higher fee (35% etc) 
for those that do not comply and perhaps indicating with a marker in the App 
store which Apps do meet the requirements.

Since Apple do none of these, despite so publicly professing to up holding and 
supporting some of the most well implemented accessibility innovation and 
support seen in the industry, it seemed like a fair compromise that Apple 
voluntarily and without complication offered a refund to customers who had 
accessibility needs where an App proved to be inaccessible.

The situation now, though is that Apple is refusing in an uncompromising and 
frankly shocking way to refund such purchases, with patronising and 
unsympathetic suggestions as to how we, as blind users, go about reviewing Apps 
etc.

I would ask that Apple firstly developed a robust policy in this regard, and 
secondly, reviews options as to improving the compliance uptake of developers 
within their iOS and Mac App Stores.

So that I  can convey your response to the ViPhone, Macvisionaries and other 
Apple Accessibility user forums promptly, I would sincerely appreciate your 
earliest feedback and response on this issue.

Yours kindly.

Regards,

Neil Barnfather

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Re: Apple App Store Refunds for inaccessible Apps

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Yes, below are three quotes from the messages that I have exchanged about this, 
you'll see very clearly what they have to say about it…

--Apple iTunes App Store Support responses--

I appreciate your feedback and I understand your frustration.

Every app gets reviewed by Apple, but you also have as user the chance to leave 
your own opinion about the products offered on the App Store, writing a review 
to the mentioned app. 

You can also submit your feedback about the accessibility feature of apps and 
how this should be clearly indicated in the app description. 
I encourage you therefore to use the iTunes Feedback page to submit your 
comments:
http://www.apple.com/feedback/itunesapp.html.;

We have checked this a second time again. We do understand that it is 
frustrating to have paid for an application that you won't be able to use, but 
I need to remind you that all sales on the iTunes Store are final.

I just want also to remind you that the App Store is just a commercial 
platform, we do not create most of the apps that are sold on the Store so we 
are unable to guarantee their voice over compatibility. You may wish to contact 
the developer prior to purchasing an app in the future to find out if they have 
this feature.

--end--

As you can see, they are very clearly not budging.




Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, 
Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
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On 11 Sep 2013, at 15:59, Lisa belville missktlab1...@frontier.com wrote:

 Hi.  Is there any way you could share a letter showing how the Apple people 
 were patronizing/unhelpful in this regard?  I understand the frustration of 
 not getting a refund for something inaccessible and how a clueless rep makes 
 this all the more annoying, but IMO there's a difference between 
 politely/patiently conveying a policy and being patronizing.  Obviously, you 
 can take out any names in this letter, but it would be good to see an example 
 of this attitude.  Could it possibly be this particular rep's issue and not 
 necessarily one of Apple itself?  I'm referring to the 
 patronizing/unsympathetic attitude and not the policy itself.
 
 Lisa
 
 
 
 There is a fine line between genius and insanity and that difference is a 
 paycheck!
 Lisa Belville
 missktlab1...@frontier.com
 
 - Original Message - From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
 for...@talknav.com
 To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com; The 
 Accessible Phones Discussion List blindpho...@mosenexplosion.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:58 AM
 Subject: Apple App Store  Refunds for inaccessible Apps
 
 
 The below should prove a concern to all Apple accessibility feature users, 
 and I would urge as many of you who can do so, to please write to Apple 
 yourselves to express your concern along the same lines where possible… 
 (accessibil...@apple.com).
 
 For years now Apple has led the way in accessibility standards and 
 application of methods in interacting with all of its product range. 
 Internationally within many disability arenas Apple is celebrated as the 
 defacto standard and is widely acknowledged as users preferred platform for 
 persons with accessibility issues.
 
 Whether or not the App Store had an unofficial policy towards customers with 
 accessibility needs or not, is unknown to me. What I am aware of is that 
 where I've bought Apps which turn out not to be accessible, Apple App Store 
 has always been prompt to refund the purchase immediately without question.
 
 Since Apple do not enforce accessibility standards, nor in anyway whatsoever 
 offer a method of a disabled user to know whether or not an App is, or is 
 not, accessible in advance of purchase, this seemed to be a most reasonable 
 compromise.
 
 However, in correspondence over the past week with Apple iTunes support staff 
 via e-mail in relation to an App I have purchased which is inaccessible, 
 Apple's stance has been both surprising and frankly highly dismissive of our 
 needs and vulnerability when using Apple's App Store.
 
 I have been point blank refused a refund upon this occasion, with staff 
 suggesting that I could leave a review for the App which others could read, 
 and or write to the developer. Whilst I understand that the second suggestion 
 may illicit a positive response, and sometimes it does… In many instances 
 developers haven't even heard of Voice Over let alone understand what it does 
 and how they aught to address compliance with Apple's Accessibility API's.
 
 Of course, the best approach would be for Apple to make compliance with its 
 Accessibility API's a requirement for all new Apps being approved to the App 
 Store, indeed a range of other options would also

Re: Apple App Store Refunds for inaccessible Apps

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Joseph,

As Sieghard has said, I'm not one for such things, and have been a positive 
advocate of our community online and off line for many, many years now… I would 
recommend that you check out my web-site; neilbarnfather.com for some 
information and this might explain a little more about myself and my work.





Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, 
Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com

URL: - www.talknav.com
e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
Phone: - +44  844 999 4199

On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:13, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote:

 Very smart suggestion. Let's say we all jump on this bandwagon (once again), 
 and in the end we discover that whoever the original person this happened to 
 was very nasty and demanding to the Apple customer service employees; hence 
 the poor service. We're all going to be very embarrassed and not likely to 
 take this issue up again in the future. We first need proof of a pattern of 
 poor service and not just some single person's complaint.
 
 Joseph
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Lisa belville missktlab1...@frontier.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:59 AM
 Subject: Re: Apple App Store  Refunds for inaccessible Apps
 
 
 Hi.  Is there any way you could share a letter showing how the Apple people
 were patronizing/unhelpful in this regard?  I understand the frustration of
 not getting a refund for something inaccessible and how a clueless rep makes
 this all the more annoying, but IMO there's a difference between
 politely/patiently conveying a policy and being patronizing.  Obviously, you
 can take out any names in this letter, but it would be good to see an
 example of this attitude.  Could it possibly be this particular rep's issue
 and not necessarily one of Apple itself?  I'm referring to the
 patronizing/unsympathetic attitude and not the policy itself.
 
 Lisa
 
 
 
 There is a fine line between genius and insanity and that difference is a
 paycheck!
 Lisa Belville
 missktlab1...@frontier.com
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com
 To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com; The
 Accessible Phones Discussion List blindpho...@mosenexplosion.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:58 AM
 Subject: Apple App Store  Refunds for inaccessible Apps
 
 
 The below should prove a concern to all Apple accessibility feature users,
 and I would urge as many of you who can do so, to please write to Apple
 yourselves to express your concern along the same lines where possible…
 (accessibil...@apple.com).
 
 For years now Apple has led the way in accessibility standards and
 application of methods in interacting with all of its product range.
 Internationally within many disability arenas Apple is celebrated as the
 defacto standard and is widely acknowledged as users preferred platform for
 persons with accessibility issues.
 
 Whether or not the App Store had an unofficial policy towards customers with
 accessibility needs or not, is unknown to me. What I am aware of is that
 where I've bought Apps which turn out not to be accessible, Apple App Store
 has always been prompt to refund the purchase immediately without question.
 
 Since Apple do not enforce accessibility standards, nor in anyway whatsoever
 offer a method of a disabled user to know whether or not an App is, or is
 not, accessible in advance of purchase, this seemed to be a most reasonable
 compromise.
 
 However, in correspondence over the past week with Apple iTunes support
 staff via e-mail in relation to an App I have purchased which is
 inaccessible, Apple's stance has been both surprising and frankly highly
 dismissive of our needs and vulnerability when using Apple's App Store.
 
 I have been point blank refused a refund upon this occasion, with staff
 suggesting that I could leave a review for the App which others could read,
 and or write to the developer. Whilst I understand that the second
 suggestion may illicit a positive response, and sometimes it does… In many
 instances developers haven't even heard of Voice Over let alone understand
 what it does and how they aught to address compliance with Apple's
 Accessibility API's.
 
 Of course, the best approach would be for Apple to make compliance with its
 Accessibility API's a requirement for all new Apps being approved to the App
 Store, indeed a range of other options would also work, such as; a discount
 on the 30% cut that Apple takes for compliant Apps, a penalty higher fee
 (35% etc) for those that do not comply and perhaps indicating with a marker
 in the App store which Apps do meet the requirements.
 
 Since Apple do none of these, despite so publicly professing to up holding
 and supporting some of the most

Re: Apple App Store Refunds for inaccessible Apps

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Lisa,

When I buy something I would expect to be able to use it, when I report to the 
seller, which in law is Apple not the developer, I expect them to act…

Either by making the product usable or by offering a refund of my purchase 
amount.

In the UK we have a law called: The Distance Selling Regulations, it guarantees 
a legal right to a refund for any product or service bought remotely where you 
did not have a chance to hands on sample the goods up front, Apple cannot get 
around this law, their refusal to comply is illegal and indeed immoral and 
unethical.

I am of the personal opinion that telling me, the solution from their 
perspective is to have me write a review about my troubles, rather than 
refunding me or solving my issue patronising… To patronise to me is to make a 
statement without understanding or thought to how that statement may affect me 
or impact me.

Anyhow, it is what it is, and the person at Apple referred this up twice to two 
different levels of Apple management, so these are the statements of at least 
three employees, two of whom were senior.


Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, 
Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com

URL: - www.talknav.com
e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
Phone: - +44  844 999 4199

On 11 Sep 2013, at 18:01, Lisa belville missktlab1...@frontier.com wrote:

 Well, I hate to say it, but I don't find this response patronising.  I 
 disagree with the policy, but I don't find these responses unprofessional. 
 This person is probably someone on the main lines of their customer service 
 who is only authorized to tell you what they were taught in training.
 
 A better customer service approach would have been for them to indicate that 
 they had reviewed your purchasing records and were going to kick the request 
 up to a supervisor.  Still, this doesn't render their responses patronising 
 or unsympathetic.
 
 I'm sure lots of people request refunds for all kinds of reasons, not that an 
 inaccessible app we can't use at all through no fault of our own isn't a 
 valid reason.  I don't purchase an app unless I see positive reviews of it up 
 on Applevis.com or this list simply because I don't want to waste money and 
 deal with this type of frustration.
 
 I think something like a targeted campaign stating our concerns and why The 
 Apple Store should adopt a policy wherein we should be entitled to refunds in 
 situations where we purchase inaccessible apps is going to get a better 
 result.
 
 Lisa
 
 
 There is a fine line between genius and insanity and that difference is a 
 paycheck!
 Lisa Belville
 missktlab1...@frontier.com
 
 - Original Message - From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
 for...@talknav.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:29 AM
 Subject: Re: Apple App Store  Refunds for inaccessible Apps
 
 
 Yes, below are three quotes from the messages that I have exchanged about 
 this, you'll see very clearly what they have to say about it…
 
 --Apple iTunes App Store Support responses--
 
 I appreciate your feedback and I understand your frustration.
 
 Every app gets reviewed by Apple, but you also have as user the chance to 
 leave your own opinion about the products offered on the App Store, writing a 
 review to the mentioned app.
 
 You can also submit your feedback about the accessibility feature of apps and 
 how this should be clearly indicated in the app description.
 I encourage you therefore to use the iTunes Feedback page to submit your 
 comments:
 http://www.apple.com/feedback/itunesapp.html.;
 
 We have checked this a second time again. We do understand that it is 
 frustrating to have paid for an application that you won't be able to use, 
 but I need to remind you that all sales on the iTunes Store are final.
 
 I just want also to remind you that the App Store is just a commercial 
 platform, we do not create most of the apps that are sold on the Store so we 
 are unable to guarantee their voice over compatibility. You may wish to 
 contact the developer prior to purchasing an app in the future to find out if 
 they have this feature.
 
 --end--
 
 As you can see, they are very clearly not budging.
 
 
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Neil Barnfather
 
 Talks List Administrator
 Twitter @neilbarnfather
 
 TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
 iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
 accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
 
 URL: - www.talknav.com
 e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
 Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
 
 On 11 Sep 2013, at 15:59, Lisa belville missktlab1...@frontier.com wrote:
 
 Hi.  Is there any way you could share a letter showing how the Apple people 
 were patronizing/unhelpful in this regard?  I

Re: Apple App Store Refunds for inaccessible Apps

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Joseph,

Not sure in the world where you are, certainly here in the UK discrimination 
doesn't have to exhibit any pattern, I am amazed that if this is the case where 
you are…

An act of discrimination or a series of acts are all the same here…

The fact that I have previously had refunds would to me indicate that this is 
the correct, usual and normal action and not a reason not to do it this time 
around.





Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, 
Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com

URL: - www.talknav.com
e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
Phone: - +44  844 999 4199

On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:23, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote:

 I noticed you did not post your messages to Apple customer service. Seems a 
 bit odd. You stated in a previous message that you've quickly received a 
 refund for your many other purchases. Your current issue sounds like a one 
 off thing. In other words, let's say you reach someone at the management 
 level, he's quickly going to review your purchasing history and notice that 
 indeed you have been given refunds in the past and that there is no unfair 
 treatment or discrimination of blind Apple customers. In short, for any such 
 charges to be successfully levied against Apple or anyone else, there must 
 be a pattern of discrimination. The key word is pattern. You might also 
 consider how much your time and effort is worth and compare this to the cost 
 of the time and effort you've placed on trying to get your few dollars back.
 
 Joseph
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:29 AM
 Subject: Re: Apple App Store  Refunds for inaccessible Apps
 
 
 Yes, below are three quotes from the messages that I have exchanged about 
 this, you'll see very clearly what they have to say about it…
 
 --Apple iTunes App Store Support responses--
 
 I appreciate your feedback and I understand your frustration.
 
 Every app gets reviewed by Apple, but you also have as user the chance to 
 leave your own opinion about the products offered on the App Store, writing 
 a review to the mentioned app.
 
 You can also submit your feedback about the accessibility feature of apps 
 and how this should be clearly indicated in the app description.
 I encourage you therefore to use the iTunes Feedback page to submit your 
 comments:
 http://www.apple.com/feedback/itunesapp.html.;
 
 We have checked this a second time again. We do understand that it is 
 frustrating to have paid for an application that you won't be able to use, 
 but I need to remind you that all sales on the iTunes Store are final.
 
 I just want also to remind you that the App Store is just a commercial 
 platform, we do not create most of the apps that are sold on the Store so we 
 are unable to guarantee their voice over compatibility. You may wish to 
 contact the developer prior to purchasing an app in the future to find out 
 if they have this feature.
 
 --end--
 
 As you can see, they are very clearly not budging.
 
 
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Neil Barnfather
 
 Talks List Administrator
 Twitter @neilbarnfather
 
 TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
 iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
 accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
 
 URL: - www.talknav.com
 e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
 Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
 
 On 11 Sep 2013, at 15:59, Lisa belville missktlab1...@frontier.com wrote:
 
 Hi.  Is there any way you could share a letter showing how the Apple 
 people were patronizing/unhelpful in this regard?  I understand the 
 frustration of not getting a refund for something inaccessible and how a 
 clueless rep makes this all the more annoying, but IMO there's a 
 difference between politely/patiently conveying a policy and being 
 patronizing.  Obviously, you can take out any names in this letter, but it 
 would be good to see an example of this attitude.  Could it possibly be 
 this particular rep's issue and not necessarily one of Apple itself?  I'm 
 referring to the patronizing/unsympathetic attitude and not the policy 
 itself.
 
 Lisa
 
 
 
 There is a fine line between genius and insanity and that difference is a 
 paycheck!
 Lisa Belville
 missktlab1...@frontier.com
 
 - Original Message - From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
 for...@talknav.com
 To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com; The 
 Accessible Phones Discussion List blindpho...@mosenexplosion.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:58 AM
 Subject: Apple App Store  Refunds for inaccessible Apps
 
 
 The below should prove a concern to all Apple accessibility feature users, 
 and I would urge as many of you who

Re: Apple App Store Refunds for inaccessible Apps

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Patrick,

As it was I whom started the thread I shall answer as follows…

Apple's official online policy for App Store purchases is that once completed 
they are none refundable and all purchases are final.

There are no exemptions listed and its pretty much a catch all, once you've 
pressed buy, entered your password and pressed OK, you're done, that's it, no 
money back and importantly especially for Voice Over users, no guarantee…

What I am lobbying for, and the call to arms if you will, is for us together as 
a community to tell Apple that this policy puts our community uniquely at a 
disadvantage.

We cannot look at the screen shots, almost never is there a review by a Voice 
Over user pointing out whether or not the app is accessible or not, where there 
is, how would you find that single review amongst many others… Often App 
developers are unaware of our needs, the tools Apple provide to resolve those 
and link up with their accessibility API's which provide features like Voice 
Over to operate.

Apple themselves make no effort to point these features out to developers, they 
do not screen apps submitted to them for compliance, they offer no incentive 
to, or not to, comply with their standards, and finally, they offer us the user 
no way of simply flagging an app in an easy to follow and find manner that an 
app has been certified by our community as functional.

Given all of the above, I believe it right and proper that Apple accept that 
occasionally we will purchase an app and it will not function as intended by 
the developer for us, and as such, we aught to be entitled to our money back.

That's it, in a nut shell, no bells, no whistles, no credibility check, plain 
simple language that I hope covers my specific grievance in one.

Whilst some have pointed out is all this necessary for the odd dollar here and 
there, I suppose it comes down to how many apps you buy and at what cost they 
are.

I personally buy 5 or so a week, granted most of these are low cost, but the 
app that specifically caused me to write to them was £35 about US$50. and I 
consider this worthy of my money back.

This aside, no-one should be made to pay money for something they cannot use, 
no matter the amount.

Hope that this clears things up



Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, 
Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
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On 11 Sep 2013, at 20:11, Patrick Neazer vantagepoint1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Neil, Joseph, and all:
 
 I have been following this thread since its inception and I must confess I am 
 a bit confused by the arc of the conversation. It began with a judgement 
 pertaining to a policy which may or may not exist addressing the refund of 
 money for app purchases. then, a turn was taken to patronizing activity or 
 not. then there was an appeal to the upstanding credentials of an individual 
 and then … well … I lost the trail. 
 
 I am not attempting to take sides or a stand. I am truly attempting to 
 understand what is actually occurring and what the call to action is. so, in 
 an attempt to clarify my obvious unclear view here is my question … does 
 Apple have a stated policy or procedure which is clearly stated and viewable 
 by the public governing refunds for app purchases and does there policy 
 outline any unique exemptions based on pick the criteria of choice? If that 
 information could be presented as quickly as links to write to apple 
 requesting policy changes and adaptations to business practices that would go 
 a long way I believe to clearing up my apparent confusion and sharpening the 
 discussion in the minds of other members of the community who may be 
 experiencing the same confusion I am experiencing. Of course, I may be the 
 only one confused and if so, anyone reading this whom has been following the 
 thread is free to disregard anything written above.
 
 Thank you to anyone who reads this and responds in a constructive manner and 
 high fives to all those who take up the mantle of improving the tools which 
 make the lives of persons with disabilities easier to navigate.
 
 Take good care and I wish you enough.
 
 Patrick 
 On Sep 11, 2013, at 1:46 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Well, the suggestion I posted has nothing to do with you personally. 
 Smile. it's a general, unbiased suggestion, and had anyone else made it, I 
 would have suggested the same thing. It was another lister who turned this 
 into a bit of an ad hominem discussion.
 
 Joseph
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:22 AM
 Subject: Re: Apple App Store  Refunds

Re: Apple App Store Refunds for inaccessible Apps

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Lisa,

You make good points about our numbers, but, often people who are blind perhaps 
at a younger age, perhaps from birth or still at a young age often forget the 
huge numbers of elderly people who with ever increasing numbers are using 
tablet computers etc.

The UK has a population of 60 million, with approximately 2.5 million 
registered blind / partially sighted individuals here. however, estimates put 
the number of people needing glasses or other corrective aids to see to walk or 
read etc, and this figure includes the previously mentioned 2.5 million at 10 
to 12 million persons.

That means that something like a sixth of the UK population that's 1 in 6 
people have a sight issue… I suspect strongly that this figure would replicate 
in the US quite easily…

There's a big movement in technology firms at this time to begin to try and 
attract these clients, as the market is huge, if we can tag ourselves into that 
then we become a far larger voice.

in terms of my excerpts, they are from a low grade person, but, they 
specifically start by stating to me that they've talked it over with their line 
managers etc.



Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, 
Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com

URL: - www.talknav.com
e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
Phone: - +44  844 999 4199

On 11 Sep 2013, at 20:25, Lisa belville missktlab1...@frontier.com wrote:

 Hmm, I live in the U.S. and to my knowledge, we have no such law stating this 
 directly.  Most businesses will state whether or not they have a return 
 policy and what steps you can take to obtain a refund if your request comes 
 within a specifically stated timeframe.
 
 Certainly blind people here have sued companies for not making their products 
 or web sites accessible, but this doesn't always mean we get access.  Usually 
 companies like to throw money at a problem and hope that it goes away.  
 Sometimes this approach works, and sometimes it doesn't.
 
 A few years ago, the National Federation of the blind sued retailer Target 
 because the NFB claimed their web site wasn't accessible to screen readers 
 and won a huge settlement, then soonafter, Target updated their web site. 
 With this case, though, you could still find blind people who used the site 
 successfully before the suit.
 
 I seem to remember a guy two or three years ago who sued Sony because their 
 games weren't accessible to us.  I don't know the outcome of that suit, but I 
 imagine he didn't get anything but maybe some money and a pat on the head. We 
 can't even get Netflicks to include audio description without jumping through 
 hoops.
 
 It seems like the blind user base is more fragmented here then in the UK, so 
 our success at making businesses comply with such laws has mixed results 
 because the only thing they understand is the bottom line, and there's not 
 enough of us to really put a huge dent in their profits
 
 Also, your excerpts didn't make it clear that you were in discussion with 
 employees higher than lower level customer service reps.
 
 Lisa
 
 
 There is a fine line between genius and insanity and that difference is a 
 paycheck!
 Lisa Belville
 missktlab1...@frontier.com
 
 - Original Message - From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
 for...@talknav.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:43 PM
 Subject: Re: Apple App Store  Refunds for inaccessible Apps
 
 
 Lisa,
 
 When I buy something I would expect to be able to use it, when I report to 
 the seller, which in law is Apple not the developer, I expect them to act…
 
 Either by making the product usable or by offering a refund of my purchase 
 amount.
 
 In the UK we have a law called: The Distance Selling Regulations, it 
 guarantees a legal right to a refund for any product or service bought 
 remotely where you did not have a chance to hands on sample the goods up 
 front, Apple cannot get around this law, their refusal to comply is illegal 
 and indeed immoral and unethical.
 
 I am of the personal opinion that telling me, the solution from their 
 perspective is to have me write a review about my troubles, rather than 
 refunding me or solving my issue patronising… To patronise to me is to make a 
 statement without understanding or thought to how that statement may affect 
 me or impact me.
 
 Anyhow, it is what it is, and the person at Apple referred this up twice to 
 two different levels of Apple management, so these are the statements of at 
 least three employees, two of whom were senior.
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Neil Barnfather
 
 Talks List Administrator
 Twitter @neilbarnfather
 
 TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
 iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
 accessible phone, PDA and GPS

Re: Apple App Store Refunds for inaccessible Apps

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

 to clearing up my apparent confusion and 
 sharpening the discussion in the minds of other members of the community 
 who may be experiencing the same confusion I am experiencing. Of course, I 
 may be the only one confused and if so, anyone reading this whom has been 
 following the thread is free to disregard anything written above.
 
 Thank you to anyone who reads this and responds in a constructive manner 
 and high fives to all those who take up the mantle of improving the tools 
 which make the lives of persons with disabilities easier to navigate.
 
 Take good care and I wish you enough.
 
 Patrick
 On Sep 11, 2013, at 1:46 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Well, the suggestion I posted has nothing to do with you personally.
 Smile. it's a general, unbiased suggestion, and had anyone else made it, 
 I
 would have suggested the same thing. It was another lister who turned this
 into a bit of an ad hominem discussion.
 
 Joseph
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:22 AM
 Subject: Re: Apple App Store  Refunds for inaccessible Apps
 
 
 Joseph,
 
 As Sieghard has said, I'm not one for such things, and have been a positive
 advocate of our community online and off line for many, many years now… I
 would recommend that you check out my web-site; neilbarnfather.com for some
 information and this might explain a little more about myself and my work.
 
 
 
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Neil Barnfather
 
 Talks List Administrator
 Twitter @neilbarnfather
 
 TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple
 iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
 accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
 
 URL: - www.talknav.com
 e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
 Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
 
 On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:13, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Very smart suggestion. Let's say we all jump on this bandwagon (once
 again),
 and in the end we discover that whoever the original person this happened
 to
 was very nasty and demanding to the Apple customer service employees;
 hence
 the poor service. We're all going to be very embarrassed and not likely to
 take this issue up again in the future. We first need proof of a pattern
 of
 poor service and not just some single person's complaint.
 
 Joseph
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Lisa belville missktlab1...@frontier.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:59 AM
 Subject: Re: Apple App Store  Refunds for inaccessible Apps
 
 
 Hi.  Is there any way you could share a letter showing how the Apple
 people
 were patronizing/unhelpful in this regard?  I understand the frustration
 of
 not getting a refund for something inaccessible and how a clueless rep
 makes
 this all the more annoying, but IMO there's a difference between
 politely/patiently conveying a policy and being patronizing.  Obviously,
 you
 can take out any names in this letter, but it would be good to see an
 example of this attitude.  Could it possibly be this particular rep's
 issue
 and not necessarily one of Apple itself?  I'm referring to the
 patronizing/unsympathetic attitude and not the policy itself.
 
 Lisa
 
 
 
 There is a fine line between genius and insanity and that difference is a
 paycheck!
 Lisa Belville
 missktlab1...@frontier.com
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com
 To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com; The
 Accessible Phones Discussion List blindpho...@mosenexplosion.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:58 AM
 Subject: Apple App Store  Refunds for inaccessible Apps
 
 
 The below should prove a concern to all Apple accessibility feature users,
 and I would urge as many of you who can do so, to please write to Apple
 yourselves to express your concern along the same lines where possible…
 (accessibil...@apple.com).
 
 For years now Apple has led the way in accessibility standards and
 application of methods in interacting with all of its product range.
 Internationally within many disability arenas Apple is celebrated as the
 defacto standard and is widely acknowledged as users preferred platform
 for
 persons with accessibility issues.
 
 Whether or not the App Store had an unofficial policy towards customers
 with
 accessibility needs or not, is unknown to me. What I am aware of is that
 where I've bought Apps which turn out not to be accessible, Apple App
 Store
 has always been prompt to refund the purchase immediately without
 question.
 
 Since Apple do not enforce accessibility standards, nor in anyway
 whatsoever
 offer a method of a disabled user to know whether or not an App is, or is
 not, accessible in advance of purchase, this seemed to be a most
 reasonable
 compromise.
 
 However, in correspondence over the past week with Apple iTunes support

Re: Apple App Store Refunds for inaccessible Apps

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

 exemptions based on pick the criteria of choice? 
 If that information could be presented as quickly as links to write to 
 apple requesting policy changes and adaptations to business practices that 
 would go a long way I believe to clearing up my apparent confusion and 
 sharpening the discussion in the minds of other members of the community 
 who may be experiencing the same confusion I am experiencing. Of course, I 
 may be the only one confused and if so, anyone reading this whom has been 
 following the thread is free to disregard anything written above.
 
 Thank you to anyone who reads this and responds in a constructive manner 
 and high fives to all those who take up the mantle of improving the tools 
 which make the lives of persons with disabilities easier to navigate.
 
 Take good care and I wish you enough.
 
 Patrick
 On Sep 11, 2013, at 1:46 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Well, the suggestion I posted has nothing to do with you personally.
 Smile. it's a general, unbiased suggestion, and had anyone else made 
 it, I
 would have suggested the same thing. It was another lister who turned this
 into a bit of an ad hominem discussion.
 
 Joseph
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:22 AM
 Subject: Re: Apple App Store  Refunds for inaccessible Apps
 
 
 Joseph,
 
 As Sieghard has said, I'm not one for such things, and have been a 
 positive
 advocate of our community online and off line for many, many years now… I
 would recommend that you check out my web-site; neilbarnfather.com for 
 some
 information and this might explain a little more about myself and my work.
 
 
 
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Neil Barnfather
 
 Talks List Administrator
 Twitter @neilbarnfather
 
 TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple
 iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
 accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
 
 URL: - www.talknav.com
 e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
 Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
 
 On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:13, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Very smart suggestion. Let's say we all jump on this bandwagon (once
 again),
 and in the end we discover that whoever the original person this happened
 to
 was very nasty and demanding to the Apple customer service employees;
 hence
 the poor service. We're all going to be very embarrassed and not likely 
 to
 take this issue up again in the future. We first need proof of a pattern
 of
 poor service and not just some single person's complaint.
 
 Joseph
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Lisa belville missktlab1...@frontier.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:59 AM
 Subject: Re: Apple App Store  Refunds for inaccessible Apps
 
 
 Hi.  Is there any way you could share a letter showing how the Apple
 people
 were patronizing/unhelpful in this regard?  I understand the frustration
 of
 not getting a refund for something inaccessible and how a clueless rep
 makes
 this all the more annoying, but IMO there's a difference between
 politely/patiently conveying a policy and being patronizing.  Obviously,
 you
 can take out any names in this letter, but it would be good to see an
 example of this attitude.  Could it possibly be this particular rep's
 issue
 and not necessarily one of Apple itself?  I'm referring to the
 patronizing/unsympathetic attitude and not the policy itself.
 
 Lisa
 
 
 
 There is a fine line between genius and insanity and that difference is a
 paycheck!
 Lisa Belville
 missktlab1...@frontier.com
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com
 To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com; The
 Accessible Phones Discussion List blindpho...@mosenexplosion.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:58 AM
 Subject: Apple App Store  Refunds for inaccessible Apps
 
 
 The below should prove a concern to all Apple accessibility feature 
 users,
 and I would urge as many of you who can do so, to please write to Apple
 yourselves to express your concern along the same lines where possible…
 (accessibil...@apple.com).
 
 For years now Apple has led the way in accessibility standards and
 application of methods in interacting with all of its product range.
 Internationally within many disability arenas Apple is celebrated as the
 defacto standard and is widely acknowledged as users preferred platform
 for
 persons with accessibility issues.
 
 Whether or not the App Store had an unofficial policy towards customers
 with
 accessibility needs or not, is unknown to me. What I am aware of is that
 where I've bought Apps which turn out not to be accessible, Apple App
 Store
 has always been prompt to refund the purchase immediately without
 question.
 
 Since Apple do not enforce accessibility standards, nor in anyway
 whatsoever

Re: Setting up groups on my iPhone 5

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

If you have a Mac computer and sync your contacts using iCloud then you can do 
this…

simply create the groups in Contacts and they sync over to your iPhone.



Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, 
Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com

URL: - www.talknav.com
e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
Phone: - +44  844 999 4199

On 24 Aug 2013, at 11:55, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote:

 This can't be done natively unless Siri can help. There are apps however to 
 do this for you.
 
 On 23/08/2013 21:03, Karin Cox wrote:
 Hello everyone,
 I am fairly new to this list, but I am enjoying it very much.
 Can anyone tell me how to set up groups on my iPhone 5? I would like to set 
 up groups such as family, friends, etc and then add people from my contacts 
 to these groups.
 Thank you for any help.
 Karin Cox
 
 
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iTunes on the iPhone

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Hi all,

Been away for a while, sorry if this has been covered, has anyone else noted 
that the iTunes genre section of the iTunes App has stopped being voiced by 
Voice Over?

I can get to the part where I click the genre that I'm interested in, but, no 
content appears?

Anyone else experienced?

thanks.



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Re: Taking Navigon offroad?

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Paul,

Navigon like most mainstream GPS products designed principally for vehicular 
usage will not allow you to use them for off road use.

niavigon does not have a direction of POI or destination in terms of cardinal 
direction, and you cannot set a destination based on long/lat, in fact, you 
cannot enter these manually at all.

HTH



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On 3 Jul 2013, at 08:19, Paul Weston pa...@tafn.org.uk wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 Can any navigon users out there tell me is it only good for street
 navigation, or can it be useful when country walking or hiking in terms of
 direction finding to waypoints? For example does it provide you of the
 straight-line direction and distance of a waypoint even when no roads or
 paths exist?
 
 My second question is also about navigon... I am assuming that you can enter
 your destination as a latitude and longtitude as opposed to a postal code or
 street name?
 
 For context, I am looking for ways to improve my enjoyment of geocaching.
 
 Many thanks for any help you can provide.
 
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Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

James,

er, excuse me, Navigon offers the same level of access, and you base that on 
what?

I have both, and therefore I am basing this on factual knowledge, Navigon which 
I used for years is not on the same level as Seeing Eye in terms of 
accessibility to O/M information, they are not even in the same league.

Navigon's buttons are labelled sure, and I can use it to get me from A to B, 
but with no intersection data, no POI read aloud data, no intersections I pass 
by on the route data and no 4 Square integration.

Seeing Eye uses 3 sources, two of which are free sources the third NavTeq is 
not and is a paid solution.

I also fail to see why people believe Navigon is giving them map updates for 
free, Navigon App updates are free, but, that is the app alone and not the map 
data. This is an additional on top in app purchase.

If you just download the free updates to Navigon all you are getting is the app 
itself updated and not the map data.



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On 3 Jul 2013, at 13:41, James Homuth ja...@the-jdh.com wrote:

 Funny. I figured she just didn't want to be ripped off. As has been said on
 here and elsewhere. Navigon is a one-time payment, and is pretty much
 exactly as accessible as the Seeing Eye app. They also don't charge you for
 updates. The Trecker, while more expensive, also doesn't charge you for map
 updates. And if we're being honest, the Seeing Eye app doesn't need to pay
 for its access to, let's say, foursquare information, which is where it
 pulls its points of interest from. So again, what are you paying for for
 $70/year?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Kevin Barry
 Sent: July 3, 2013 6:17 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
 
 She expects everything for nothing.
 
 At 10:04 PM 7/2/2013, you wrote:
 Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee in 
 order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that there 
 are not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only a few 
 thousand, and the cost of using those maps must be spread out through 
 the purchasers.
 I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more 
 than this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars.
 If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the taxes, 
 it works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a small price 
 to pay for something that is customized for a specific portion of the 
 population.
 
 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
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 I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? 
 Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. 
 I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's 
 nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking 
 advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets.
 Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for 
 Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even 
 rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind.
 
 Mary Anne Lynskey
 
 
 On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
 At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a
 three-year subscription.
 
 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
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 Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to
 keep paying for
 rights to use the app?
 
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Re: audio within apps, the cloud, and updating time overseas

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Andrew,

The way modern smart phones acquire the time is by push from a time server, or 
rather, time servers.

So, provided you have automatically set within your time settings, and in your 
Privacy / Location settings, in the System settings at the bottom of this tab, 
you have the time/date set to ON for location info… Wherever you go your phone 
will identify that you have changed region and will auto pull the necessary 
time from Apple's global network of time servers.

Much as your computer would do etc.

It is correct, that this is also a feature of some networks, however, 
generically smart phones such as the iPHone do not acquire that information in 
that manner.



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On 4 May 2013, at 09:32, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:

 Hi Andrew, what happens time-wise when you turn your phone on depends on the 
 network you are using. Many networks have a service that sets the time for 
 you when you connect, but not all. So you may or may not find the time is set 
 right. If you don't have a local sim in your phone, which would allow you to 
 use your phone a lot more effectively, then you can manually select a network 
 to rome on and hopefully find one that pushes the time for you.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
 On 4/05/2013, at 7:10 PM, Andrew Head ath...@bigpond.net.au wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 I just had a few more questions relating to overseas travel.
 A friend of mine suggested just taking my iphone 4 and leaving the 5 behind
 and just downloading the apps I would use while overseas. I must confess I
 had forgotten about the fact that the you can have your account on multiple
 devices at the same time. Lol silly me. Anyway, I was just wondering, If I
 have apps that download audio content, such as audible and downcast, Are the
 audio files synced when I automatically update to ICloud and if so, could I
 turn on my iphone 4 and download these apps and will my books and podcasts
 previously downloaded be automatically redownloaded, or will I have to
 redownload them onto the 4?
 Also, I have my clock set to automatically update time, so I'm assuming when
 I turn on my phone in England, the local time is automatically updated and I
 can view it on the phone?
 Thanks heaps for any info you can give me,
 Hope you all have a great day,
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Re: audio within apps, the cloud, and updating time overseas

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Sieghard,

I believe this does not always call on your GPS receiver, rather it firstly 
looks to less power intensive data such as local WiFi hot spots, even if you 
are not connected to them.

An example might be, if you walked passed my home, your phone will pick up my 
WiFi network, you may not connect to it, but, since I am connected to it and my 
iPHone has my GPS position, Apple, like Google and others, have used this 
combination of data to build a worldwide massive database of WiFi hot spot 
locations. This is how none GPS equipped devices are able to acquire rough 
location data.

I personally have fed back to Apple that I would personally like to see an user 
adjustable setting on this option, as it certainly does drain a little on the 
battery… What I would like to see is the user definable option, check my time 
zone every x hours; from say constantly to perhaps once every 12 hours, with 
say two hour increments in between… The phone could also auto check this every 
time you power cycled or changed physical network etc.

Basically, there's no real justifiable need to be constantly checking my time 
zone… In fact, there is no guarantee that the iPhone and other devices are 
doing this… The statement is, within the last 24 hours, perhaps we are being a 
little judgemental as to this meaning constantly!



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On 4 May 2013, at 10:29, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 Hi Andrew and Jonathan,
  
 Actually, Jonathan, I believe if you have “Setting Time Zone” set to on in 
 Settings, Privacy, Location Services, System Services, then your iPhone’s 
 time will be set according to the time zone you are in whether you have local 
 service or not.
  
 I am pretty sure of that because when I went to Thailand recently I first 
 flew from Vancouver to Beijing, China. As soon as I arrived and turned off 
 Airplane Mode, the time set itself even though I still had my Canadian SIM in 
 the phone and it said “No Service”. When I then flew to Bangkok the next day 
 once again the time set itself correctly when I arrived in Bangkok even 
 before I bought and put in the Thai SIM card.
  
 I usually turn all the system services off because I found that in iOS 5 
 having especially the “Setting Time Zone” set to on, really seemed to use up 
 a lot of battery. Even now when I am looking at it, it says “Requested your 
 location within the last 24 hours”. I think if this is set to On it 
 constantly checks your location, probably using the GPS.
  
  
 Regards,
 Sieghard
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Jonathan Mosen
 Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 1:33 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: audio within apps, the cloud, and updating time overseas
  
 Hi Andrew, what happens time-wise when you turn your phone on depends on the 
 network you are using. Many networks have a service that sets the time for 
 you when you connect, but not all. So you may or may not find the time is set 
 right. If you don't have a local sim in your phone, which would allow you to 
 use your phone a lot more effectively, then you can manually select a network 
 to rome on and hopefully find one that pushes the time for you.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
  
 On 4/05/2013, at 7:10 PM, Andrew Head ath...@bigpond.net.au wrote:
 
 
 Hi all,
 I just had a few more questions relating to overseas travel.
 A friend of mine suggested just taking my iphone 4 and leaving the 5 behind
 and just downloading the apps I would use while overseas. I must confess I
 had forgotten about the fact that the you can have your account on multiple
 devices at the same time. Lol silly me. Anyway, I was just wondering, If I
 have apps that download audio content, such as audible and downcast, Are the
 audio files synced when I automatically update to ICloud and if so, could I
 turn on my iphone 4 and download these apps and will my books and podcasts
 previously downloaded be automatically redownloaded, or will I have to
 redownload them onto the 4?
 Also, I have my clock set to automatically update time, so I'm assuming when
 I turn on my phone in England, the local time is automatically updated and I
 can view it on the phone?
 Thanks heaps for any info you can give me,
 Hope you all have a great day,
 Andrew 
 
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Re: England apps

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Next Buses is the one you want from Malcomb Barclay.



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On 2 May 2013, at 16:44, marcellopo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Neil
  
 Is this Next Bus UK or Next Buses? there are quite a few with similar names
 
 On Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:33:18 AM UTC, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:
 Will,
 I use Next Bus, it works all over the UK, it finds your nearest bus stop and
 tells you what time the next bus is due and where it's going etc.
 
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 From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of william lomas
 Sent: 17 March 2010 10:20
 To: vip...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: England apps
 
 wish there were ones for busses outside london
 
 On 17 Mar 2010, at 10:14, Darren Paskell wrote:
 
  Hi Frank,
  
  Take a look at TrainSearch. It can give you up-to-date timetables and
  arrival/departure boards for any railway station and uses GPS to
  automatically determine your nearest stations.
  
  I haven't tried any other apps personally. However, I have used the
  VoiceOver tripple tap on/off toggle with the home button to allow
  others to manipulate Google Maps effectively. My dad was able to
  figure it out despite his poor record with technology while we were
  walking around Oxford.
  
  Hope this helps.
  
  Darren
  
  
  On 17/03/2010, Frank Tom vermo...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi there friends  from England.
  
  My choir is spending a week with our sister church in Finchamstead (one
 hour
  Southwest of London) in April. Are there any accessible low cost travel
 apps
  you recommend?
  
  
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Re: Fitbit

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Tony,

I'll hope to cover your questions here, but, if I leave anything out do shout!

I should just say that I've only had my Flex a day now, as they are brand new 
out, and I'm still getting to grips with it.

So, firstly let's talk about using FitBit when you are awake and come back to 
sleep later…

You need to know that there are currently three FitBit Trackers on the market 
that you can buy; FitBit 1, FitBit Zip and FitBit Flex, the Ultra was an older 
model. Zip and 1 are similar, only real difference that I could see was that 1 
could be worn at night and would count floors climbed whereas Zip would not do 
either of these. Zip is cheaper though so if you do not care about sleep and do 
not care about floors climbed then Zip is an option.

The 1 is a good product, it does not have LED lights only a screen and single 
physical button. I obviously like you get no benefit from this! :)

The way FitBit works is that you create an account with them, I did this using 
their iOS app, and the entire process was accessible and easy to follow. You 
tell the App basic things about you, age, height, weight etc and that creates 
your basic account.

Now you can review this data on your iPHone, iPad or their web-site. if you 
make a change they are universally applied to your account and visible on all 
of these.

When you sync a FitBit tracker this syncs to your iPhone, iPad or indeed your 
computer (PC/Mac) and the data is again universally synced to your account, 
meaning that you can see this anywhere you have logged in.

I have principally stuck to using the iOS app, but, have on occasion logged 
into their site.

iOS App:

I can easily see how many steps, distance, floors climbed etc that I have done 
that day, I can access my weight, body fat and BMI easily… Note that your body 
fat and BMI only appear if you have bought the FitBit Aria scales.

I can log activities such as cycling, running etc which you have to report to 
the app that you've done, how long for, how far etc. So far I've not found it 
difficult to log cycling etc and these do affect your calorie count in a 
meaningful manner.

Sleep:

Whilst I have been able to log sleep, the information is shown on a visual 
graph and is thus meaningless to us, although I have been in contact with 
FitBit and they are interested in looking at this area. I've had someone 
sighted look at the graph and its quite interesting, last night I apparently 
spent 8 hours or so in bed, 6 and a half hours asleep with 17% of that being 
light sleep. Not bad data for a tiny bit of plastic worn on the arm. The graph 
shows when this sleep was taking place and as such you can blimps important 
data, well that's the theory. I have a friend who used to have terrible sleep, 
he bought a FitBit, and two days into its use, he spotted something interesting 
in the sleep pattern. He was waking, or having interrupted sleep on the hour 
every hour… Transpired that he was being woken, albeit not completely, by his 
talking alarm clock announcing the hour every hour during the night. He now 
sleeps much better since stopping this… So it can be really helpful.

There's also the silent alarm feature, I've taken to using this, and it really 
does work, now I set my alarm in the FitBit app, the alarm timer is synced to 
the device which I wear and at the designated time, the device vibrates and 
thus wakes me, not the misses.

The Flex does have LED's rather than a screen, but, again you do not need to 
worry about these, you can access the app at any time and see how you are 
doing. More over, if you leave the app running gin the background, every so 
often if you are nearing a goal, you'll get a push notification alerting you to 
shift your but a little more to win a meaningless badge, or to meet your daily 
objective.

Daily Objectives:

These are something you cannot change in the App yourself, this is an 
accessibility issue, but, you can change them online and this is of course 
pushed to your iOS app when you use it. There are default goals which I have 
changed.

The Aria scales are, to my mind, an essential part of the overall FitBit 
experience and very much worth the price.

I myself am not using any other fitness app etc, just a little more portion 
control over how much I eat and I've shifted 1 stone in under a month, more 
importantly, my BMI has gone from 30% to 25.3%… Anyone knowing about these 
things will recognise that I've gone from being boarder line over weight to 
boarder line average. BMI is a critical measurement though of your overall 
fitness and its a great metric to have access to.

Returning to sleep:

The Flex is easy to slip into sleep mode, simply tap quickly the top for two 
seconds and you're done. The only issue is its the same thing to get it out of 
sleep mode. As such, a blind person is left rather uncertain which way round it 
is! As such, what I did last night is wear the Flex, and then in the App in the 
morning you can manually say, between 

FitBit Review

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Hi All,

I haven't seen this come up on list for a while, if even at all, so thought I'd 
take the time out to write up a little review of FitBit.

This review is based on an iPhone 5 user having used a FitBit 1 and today 
receiving my new FitBit Flex, along with the FitBit Aria scales.

Firstly, I'm blind, totally, so whatever I am about to write is based on the 
fact that I've set this up and used it alone and unaided.

Let me also add that I've not ever been able to weigh myself, in private and 
with a little dignity. Talking scales seem to have only one volume, shout, and 
they are often rather poor at getting things right.

So back at the start of May I began using FitBit, I really bought it to see how 
much walking I do each day, but, found that it really began to encourage me to 
do more.

I had a FitBit 1 which is a tiny small device which slots into a rubber clip 
that you wear, its tiny, and inconspicuous. The battery lasts about 2 weeks and 
then you remove it from the rubber clip and charge using USB.

There is a screen on the FitBit devices but it is not necessary to be able to 
see this.

I was able to configure and link my FitBit 1 without sighted help and have been 
able to monitor my steps taken, distance walked, floors climbed and calories 
burned each day.

For those wishing to go a little mad, you can even tell the App more info like 
what food you eat etc, you can also have FitBit monitor your sleep, but, I 
didn't like the look of the wrist band for night wearing, see later comments on 
this.

I have also configured the FitBit Aria scales, these are brill, they have a 
screen on them for the sighted, but, no use to me. They automatically can 
manage the weight profiles of up to 8 users, so when I stand on them they 
recognise me simply by knowing that I'm the only person in our house of that 
rough weight.

To get the scales to turn on you push with a medium weight on the centre of the 
scales for a second or two, then remove your foot. Wait about 2 seconds and 
then step on fully with both feet. For the best measurements you need to be 
bear footed and preferably the less you can wear the better.

FitBit Aria scales not only weigh you but also measure body fat % and also 
calculate your BMI.

This info is then sent via WiFi to your FitBit account, and downloaded to your 
App when you run it.

Bravo, now without help I have access to my weight in private! yippy!

The FitBit Aria product and FitBit 1 have helped me to really learn more about 
my health and activity on a daily bases.

I've today received my FitBit Flex, which is their new product, and this is 
smaller still and much better in terms of overall wearability. The FitBit 1 and 
Flex are the same price by the way!

The Flex I can easily see myself wearing at night, which will provide even more 
info about health etc, and the splash resistance will be good too.

Overall, I'm really happy with this product range, accessibility is not an 
issue, even setting up the Aria scales to use my home WiFi was very easy, I 
just followed the prompts on the iPHone App to do this.

Bottom line, if you weigh yourself, and are interested in this sort of thing, 
its a brilliant product solution.

I should add, the calorific data and distance travelled are actual ones for 
you, they are not random things generated by rough guides for people of your 
height and weight. I tested this by walking with my wife who has the same 
system, and we both walked the same distance, yet she, who is shorter, had 
walked more steps than I.

There in lies also the other aspect, the social element, you can share your 
stats with other users and compare how well you are doing etc.

For a real proof in the pudding, I have lost 1 stone since starting on May 11th 
to date, and I although not over weight, am pleased with myself for doing so.

Let me know if you have any questions.



Regards,

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Re: FitBit Review

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Hope,

The wrist band which comes as part of the Flex is about 3 5th's of an inch wide 
and no thicker than a traditional leather watch strap.

Near to the area where the FitBit Flex itself lives the rubber wrist band 
thickens up a little, but, nothing garish.

I have a black one but they come in every conceivable colour.

They don't look bad, and arguably look good, they are designed as a fashion 
accessory.

I expect the battery to last as long as the FitBit 1 did, about 2 weeks.

Yes, the Flex monitors sleep, and since its a wrist band rather than clip on, I 
expect to find myself wearing it now 24 hours a day.



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On 3 Jun 2013, at 15:22, Hope Paulos hope.pau...@gmail.com wrote:

 Can you provide more information about the fit bit wristband, please? Also, 
 will the flex assist you with sleeping info?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 3, 2013, at 9:25 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 
 I haven't seen this come up on list for a while, if even at all, so thought 
 I'd take the time out to write up a little review of FitBit.
 
 This review is based on an iPhone 5 user having used a FitBit 1 and today 
 receiving my new FitBit Flex, along with the FitBit Aria scales.
 
 Firstly, I'm blind, totally, so whatever I am about to write is based on the 
 fact that I've set this up and used it alone and unaided.
 
 Let me also add that I've not ever been able to weigh myself, in private and 
 with a little dignity. Talking scales seem to have only one volume, shout, 
 and they are often rather poor at getting things right.
 
 So back at the start of May I began using FitBit, I really bought it to see 
 how much walking I do each day, but, found that it really began to encourage 
 me to do more.
 
 I had a FitBit 1 which is a tiny small device which slots into a rubber clip 
 that you wear, its tiny, and inconspicuous. The battery lasts about 2 weeks 
 and then you remove it from the rubber clip and charge using USB.
 
 There is a screen on the FitBit devices but it is not necessary to be able 
 to see this.
 
 I was able to configure and link my FitBit 1 without sighted help and have 
 been able to monitor my steps taken, distance walked, floors climbed and 
 calories burned each day.
 
 For those wishing to go a little mad, you can even tell the App more info 
 like what food you eat etc, you can also have FitBit monitor your sleep, 
 but, I didn't like the look of the wrist band for night wearing, see later 
 comments on this.
 
 I have also configured the FitBit Aria scales, these are brill, they have a 
 screen on them for the sighted, but, no use to me. They automatically can 
 manage the weight profiles of up to 8 users, so when I stand on them they 
 recognise me simply by knowing that I'm the only person in our house of that 
 rough weight.
 
 To get the scales to turn on you push with a medium weight on the centre of 
 the scales for a second or two, then remove your foot. Wait about 2 seconds 
 and then step on fully with both feet. For the best measurements you need to 
 be bear footed and preferably the less you can wear the better.
 
 FitBit Aria scales not only weigh you but also measure body fat % and also 
 calculate your BMI.
 
 This info is then sent via WiFi to your FitBit account, and downloaded to 
 your App when you run it.
 
 Bravo, now without help I have access to my weight in private! yippy!
 
 The FitBit Aria product and FitBit 1 have helped me to really learn more 
 about my health and activity on a daily bases.
 
 I've today received my FitBit Flex, which is their new product, and this is 
 smaller still and much better in terms of overall wearability. The FitBit 1 
 and Flex are the same price by the way!
 
 The Flex I can easily see myself wearing at night, which will provide even 
 more info about health etc, and the splash resistance will be good too.
 
 Overall, I'm really happy with this product range, accessibility is not an 
 issue, even setting up the Aria scales to use my home WiFi was very easy, I 
 just followed the prompts on the iPHone App to do this.
 
 Bottom line, if you weigh yourself, and are interested in this sort of 
 thing, its a brilliant product solution.
 
 I should add, the calorific data and distance travelled are actual ones for 
 you, they are not random things generated by rough guides for people of your 
 height and weight. I tested this by walking with my wife who has the same 
 system, and we both walked the same distance, yet she, who is shorter, had 
 walked more steps than I.
 
 There in lies also the other aspect, the social element, you can share

Can Apple TV Pull Content From a NAS

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Hi All,

Does anyone know, can an Apple TV pull content from a NAS on a local network? 
Either by providing the Apple TV in some manner the IP address, folder share 
and user credentials of the share so that it can scan the folder, or, by 
enabling iTunes Server which is a feature of my NAS.

iTunes Server is not the same as Home Sharing as found in iTunes the 
application.

Any thoughts much appriciated… Essentually what I want to do is use something 
like Apple TV to stream content from a share on my NAS rather than having to 
push to it from iTunes or an iOS device.

thanks.



Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
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Re: Audio discribtion

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

What you can do with Digit Eyes is print your own labels, so even if the 
products you are scanning do not have bar codes per say, you will be able to 
scan your home printed QR Code labels and then use these in place.



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On 11 May 2013, at 09:34, Ramy Moustafa moshtaqlealga...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks so much for all your suggestions, however I don’t have bar codes here, 
 just my own txt, let’s say I will write down the txt let’s say, table, then I 
 will add an audio discribtion let’s say this table is for my bedroom,
 I will not capture it or something,
 Any ideas
 ?
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Sieghard Weitzel
 Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 10:28 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Audio discribtion
  
 Hi Ramy,
  
 Sorry, just saw your other message.
  
 Yes, you can use Digit Eyes to add a recorded description to anything that 
 has a barcode or, if it doesn’t, you can print your own barcode labels to 
 label product.
  
 There is also the Recognizer app from LookTel, however, the product has to 
 have a pretty unique look because it works by first taking a picture of the 
 item and recording an audio description. Then next time you show the item to 
 the app via the camera, it will compare it to the pictures it has in its 
 database and if it finds a match it will play your audio description. Another 
 thing which many find a drawback with this app is the fact that it is 
 recommended that a sighted person takes the initial picture. This is 
 suggested simply because it is difficult for a blind person to take a perfect 
 picture and it’s important to not have too much in the background and focus 
 the product so that it basically fills the picture. All of this is hard to do 
 for a blind person. Having said that, the app works well for many things if 
 you follow their instructions and if there are several identifying features 
 on the product or package. If, for example, you took a picture of 3 items 
 which all have the same package design and colours and the only difference is 
 maybe that a text description is different, Recognizer may not work well for 
 that.
  
 Lastly, there are 2 apps which don’t allow for an audio description but which 
 both are very useful and have their individual strengths. One is Tap Tap See 
 and the other is Talking Goggles. Both will recognise items and announce the 
 result.
  
  
 Regards,
 Sieghard
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Ramy Moustafa
 Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 1:17 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Audio discribtion
  
 Hi:
  
 Thanks so much, but I don’t want gps, I will find something at my home, let’s 
 say, a medcin, and I will add an audio discribtion to it, instead of typing, 
 is it available?
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Mich
 Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 9:43 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Audio discribtion
  
 hi ramey if you are looking for like a gps or something then might i sugest 
 the trekker breez or if you are looking for a bar coad scanner then the id 
 mate summet might work. hth. from Mich.
 - Original Message -
 From: Ramy Moustafa
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 3:37 AM
 Subject: Audio discribtion
  
 HI all:
 
 I need to find a program that I can put an audio discribtion to anything when 
 I type it, for instance I need to type a name for a market, and I will add an 
 audio discribtion to it, can I find such a program?
 
 Thanks cheers
 
 RAmy Moustafa
 
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Re: BeMyEyes: A ground braking product I'm a part of

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

I don't know if they would necessarily know or need to know.

I currently have my Apple ID signed into 5 devices and all work with no issue.

Now in terms of using for multiple users, the simple test is to have 10 - 15 
people all sign in with the same credentials and see if that works.

if it does, then it should be a winner.

I know that if I sit down in a room with my MacBook Air, Mac Mini, iMac and the 
5 iOS devices, if someone Face Times my e-mail address then all 8 devices will 
ring out all at the same time, so this certainly works on up to 8 devices at 
the same time.



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On 2 May 2013, at 16:45, Søren Jensen s...@coolfortheblind.dk wrote:

 Hi Neil.
 Thank you very much for your thought. Great idea, but I don't know if Apple 
 would allow sharing Apple IDs in that way.
 Best regards:
 Søren Jensen
 Mail  MSN:
 s...@coolfortheblind.dk
 Website:
 http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
 
 Den 02/05/2013 kl. 10.41 skrev Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com:
 
 I suppose, the cross connected idea, which would require very little 
 development here would be to have a web-site of volunteers… they all sign 
 into Face Time using a designated e-mail address, this would be a universal 
 address that they all would use.
 
 They could sign in and out dependant on their availability.
 
 Now, next time you want help, rather than Face Timing a friend, you would 
 Face Time that e-mail address.
 
 Apple would connect the call to all currently connected online devices, the 
 first one to answer gets it.
 
 boom, issue solved. free of charge bar a user database and simple to manage 
 web-site.
 
 you could even have different Apple iCloud e-mail addresses dependent on 
 spoken language.
 
 so for example;
 
 bemyeyes_engl...@icloud.com
 bemyeyes_fre...@icloud.com
 
 etc.
 
 That would then allow someone to get a volunteer in their native language.
 
 this seems to make a lot of sense like this and has the benefit of being 
 almost instantly available and at very low setup cost.
 
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Neil Barnfather
 
 Talks List Administrator
 Twitter @neilbarnfather
 
 TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
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 Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
 
 On 29 Apr 2013, at 08:34, RobH! bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 I don't want to be a wet blanket, but don't such an app already exist, 
 don't we use facetime for this already; just flick the camera or phone 
 round 
 and show them anything;   this works already, generically.
 Developing specialist apps where the  basic generic one already does the 
 job 
 perfectly, strikes me as a little pointless. This is more a Sighted 
 mindset.
 
 Rh.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Søren Jensen s...@coolfortheblind.dk
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:16 PM
 Subject: BeMyEyes: A ground braking product I'm a part of
 
 
 Hi all.
 
 I'm involved in this cool project. Read more here:
 
 Be My Eyes is a non-profit initiative that aims to equip blind with a pair 
 of eyes which fits into your pocket. This can be done by the blind at any 
 time, on his/her smart phone: you start an application, and can through 
 this 
 be put in direct video connection with a voluntary sighted person. The 
 sighted volunteer helps you through the camera in the blind person's smart 
 phone to see (video transmitted to the helpers smart phone) what the blind 
 person is pointing at with the smart phone camera and can solve a given 
 task. The task could, for example. be: Reading the date on a milk carton, 
 see if two socks are alike, read the buttons on the washing machine, etc. 
 It 
 is the blind who has control over what the volunteer sees, while the 
 volunteer can for example say a little closer or date is on the other 
 side of the milk carton. This way the blind and the sighted volunteer help 
 each other to solve the given task.
 
 The technical part of the project is, first, to develop an application 
 available for the blind that can connect the users with sighted volunteers 
 - 
 here is so far developed a prototype. The second part is to develop a 
 system 
 on a server that all Be My Eyes will run on. When you create a user account 
 on the system, you could choose whether you are the visual impaired who 
 needs help, or if you are the sighted person who wants to help. The sighted 
 help to be able both to use the system on an iPhone (or other smart phone 
 platforms), an iPad

Re: BeMyEyes: A ground braking product I'm a part of

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Yes, I've been having a variety of friends and family help me using Face Time 
now for quite a few years, it is very easy and can sometimes resolve problems 
very quickly indeed.



Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, 
Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com

URL: - www.talknav.com
e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
Phone: - +44  844 999 4199

On 28 Apr 2013, at 23:44, Lauren Simmons simmonslaure...@gmail.com wrote:

 For the most part, this already exists, its called Skype. Its also called 
 Facetime. The volunteers are family members. I've been doing a similar thing 
 for years. :)
 
 LS
 
 - Original Message - From: Søren Jensen s...@coolfortheblind.dk
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:16 AM
 Subject: BeMyEyes: A ground braking product I'm a part of
 
 
 Hi all.
 
 I'm involved in this cool project. Read more here:
 
 Be My Eyes is a non-profit initiative that aims to equip blind with a pair 
 of eyes which fits into your pocket. This can be done by the blind at any 
 time, on his/her smart phone: you start an application, and can through this 
 be put in direct video connection with a voluntary sighted person. The 
 sighted volunteer helps you through the camera in the blind person's smart 
 phone to see (video transmitted to the helpers smart phone) what the blind 
 person is pointing at with the smart phone camera and can solve a given task. 
 The task could, for example. be: Reading the date on a milk carton, see if 
 two socks are alike, read the buttons on the washing machine, etc. It is the 
 blind who has control over what the volunteer sees, while the volunteer can 
 for example say a little closer or date is on the other side of the milk 
 carton. This way the blind and the sighted volunteer help each other to 
 solve the given task.
 
 The technical part of the project is, first, to develop an application 
 available for the blind that can connect the users with sighted volunteers - 
 here is so far developed a prototype. The second part is to develop a system 
 on a server that all Be My Eyes will run on. When you create a user account 
 on the system, you could choose whether you are the visual impaired who needs 
 help, or if you are the sighted person who wants to help. The sighted help to 
 be able both to use the system on an iPhone (or other smart phone platforms), 
 an iPad tablet (or other tablet platforms) with a larger screen so it's 
 easier to see the image and on a computer where the image is, of course, it 
 depends on the screen connected to the computer.
 
 The idea is to build a network of volunteers who want to help. You can even 
 sign in and out anything useful, and you can specify what time of the day or 
 week you have time to help, where you will be notified accordingly. If 
 technology allows, then the visually impaired also use the app over 3G and 
 4G, making the possibilities endless, since in this way you can use the 
 system anywhere. This requires of course that as a visually impaired learn 
 some techniques to use the camera properly. The advantage of video interview 
 is that the sighted volunteer can guide one to use the camera properly, which 
 eventually becomes better and better.
 
 The team behind Be My Eyes is a mixture of blind, partly sighted and sighted 
 people who know the depth of the problems the project to solve. All involved 
 have contributed on a strictly volunteer basis.
 
 The idea stems from Hans Jørgen Wiberg who himself is visually impaired. Hans 
 Jørgen works as a visually impaired consultant in the Danish Blind Society. 
 Here he experienced countless times to sighted assistance in a moment would 
 have made the blind able to solve a variety of tasks on their own. When Hans 
 tried video conferencing on his smart phone dropped the pieces in place - 
 through a voluntary network could be in the moments when the blind was faced 
 with tasks that required vision, get assistance via video chat on your mobile!
 
 We are looking for volunteer programmers, visually impaired as impaired. The 
 advantage is that a visually impaired programmer familiar with the challenges 
 of accessibility, and a sighted programmer to help with the visual. We are 
 looking for both people who create applications for PC / Mac, iOS and server 
 based systems.
 
 In order to implement this exciting project, we are also looking for 
 financial help, as all in the team is working volunteer and we need some help 
 outside the company as programmers and such, which is not cheap.
 
 If you want that all this comes true, then you can donate to us on Indiegogo 
 at the following link:
 www.indiegogo.com/projects/be-my-eyes-community-help-for-the-blind
 
 Read more on our website at:
 

Re: BeMyEyes: A ground braking product I'm a part of

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

I suppose, the cross connected idea, which would require very little 
development here would be to have a web-site of volunteers… they all sign into 
Face Time using a designated e-mail address, this would be a universal address 
that they all would use.

They could sign in and out dependant on their availability.

Now, next time you want help, rather than Face Timing a friend, you would Face 
Time that e-mail address.

Apple would connect the call to all currently connected online devices, the 
first one to answer gets it.

boom, issue solved. free of charge bar a user database and simple to manage 
web-site.

you could even have different Apple iCloud e-mail addresses dependent on spoken 
language.

so for example;

bemyeyes_engl...@icloud.com
bemyeyes_fre...@icloud.com

etc.

That would then allow someone to get a volunteer in their native language.

this seems to make a lot of sense like this and has the benefit of being almost 
instantly available and at very low setup cost.



Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, 
Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com

URL: - www.talknav.com
e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
Phone: - +44  844 999 4199

On 29 Apr 2013, at 08:34, RobH! bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 I don't want to be a wet blanket, but don't such an app already exist, 
 don't we use facetime for this already; just flick the camera or phone round 
 and show them anything;   this works already, generically.
 Developing specialist apps where the  basic generic one already does the job 
 perfectly, strikes me as a little pointless. This is more a Sighted 
 mindset.
 
 Rh.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Søren Jensen s...@coolfortheblind.dk
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:16 PM
 Subject: BeMyEyes: A ground braking product I'm a part of
 
 
 Hi all.
 
 I'm involved in this cool project. Read more here:
 
 Be My Eyes is a non-profit initiative that aims to equip blind with a pair 
 of eyes which fits into your pocket. This can be done by the blind at any 
 time, on his/her smart phone: you start an application, and can through this 
 be put in direct video connection with a voluntary sighted person. The 
 sighted volunteer helps you through the camera in the blind person's smart 
 phone to see (video transmitted to the helpers smart phone) what the blind 
 person is pointing at with the smart phone camera and can solve a given 
 task. The task could, for example. be: Reading the date on a milk carton, 
 see if two socks are alike, read the buttons on the washing machine, etc. It 
 is the blind who has control over what the volunteer sees, while the 
 volunteer can for example say a little closer or date is on the other 
 side of the milk carton. This way the blind and the sighted volunteer help 
 each other to solve the given task.
 
 The technical part of the project is, first, to develop an application 
 available for the blind that can connect the users with sighted volunteers - 
 here is so far developed a prototype. The second part is to develop a system 
 on a server that all Be My Eyes will run on. When you create a user account 
 on the system, you could choose whether you are the visual impaired who 
 needs help, or if you are the sighted person who wants to help. The sighted 
 help to be able both to use the system on an iPhone (or other smart phone 
 platforms), an iPad tablet (or other tablet platforms) with a larger screen 
 so it's easier to see the image and on a computer where the image is, of 
 course, it depends on the screen connected to the computer.
 
 The idea is to build a network of volunteers who want to help. You can even 
 sign in and out anything useful, and you can specify what time of the day or 
 week you have time to help, where you will be notified accordingly. If 
 technology allows, then the visually impaired also use the app over 3G and 
 4G, making the possibilities endless, since in this way you can use the 
 system anywhere. This requires of course that as a visually impaired learn 
 some techniques to use the camera properly. The advantage of video interview 
 is that the sighted volunteer can guide one to use the camera properly, 
 which eventually becomes better and better.
 
 The team behind Be My Eyes is a mixture of blind, partly sighted and sighted 
 people who know the depth of the problems the project to solve. All involved 
 have contributed on a strictly volunteer basis.
 
 The idea stems from Hans Jørgen Wiberg who himself is visually impaired. 
 Hans Jørgen works as a visually impaired consultant in the Danish Blind 
 Society. Here he experienced countless times to sighted assistance in a 
 moment would have made the blind able to solve a variety of tasks on their 
 own. When Hans tried video conferencing on his 

Re: BeMyEyes: A ground braking product I'm a part of

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Ricardo,

That's the nice thing about my alternative suggestion, no-one gives up their 
Anonymity, as they would have the benefit of signing in with a separate Apple 
ID for the purpose.



Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, 
Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com

URL: - www.talknav.com
e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
Phone: - +44  844 999 4199

On 29 Apr 2013, at 13:39, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 so, you wouldn't mind giving out your phone number or e-mail to total 
 strangers just to have them read a label on a can?  Or your skype handle?  
 Because, to use the apps already out there, thats what it would take.  
 Granted, many wouldn't mind giving up there anonymity but, I'm sure there are 
 those who don't want personal information to be exchanged with strangers for 
 such a service.
 
 JMO.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Apr 29, 2013, at 3:37 AM, RobH! bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 True, the base of volunteers is good, I like that;  but  a specialist app 
 still seems superfluous in the light of those two means of video transfer.
 
 Rh.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Roger Frischenmeyer thejayhawk...@sbcglobal.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:09 AM
 Subject: Re: BeMyEyes: A ground braking product I'm a part of
 
 
 Those 2 ideas work very well, if you have family members but if not, they
 probably don't work well at all. I think this has potintial.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Lauren Simmons simmonslaure...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:44 PM
 Subject: Re: BeMyEyes: A ground braking product I'm a part of
 
 
 For the most part, this already exists, its called Skype. Its also called
 Facetime. The volunteers are family members. I've been doing a similar thing
 for years. :)
 
 LS
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Søren Jensen s...@coolfortheblind.dk
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:16 AM
 Subject: BeMyEyes: A ground braking product I'm a part of
 
 
 Hi all.
 
 I'm involved in this cool project. Read more here:
 
 Be My Eyes is a non-profit initiative that aims to equip blind with a pair
 of eyes which fits into your pocket. This can be done by the blind at any
 time, on his/her smart phone: you start an application, and can through this
 be put in direct video connection with a voluntary sighted person. The
 sighted volunteer helps you through the camera in the blind person's smart
 phone to see (video transmitted to the helpers smart phone) what the blind
 person is pointing at with the smart phone camera and can solve a given
 task. The task could, for example. be: Reading the date on a milk carton,
 see if two socks are alike, read the buttons on the washing machine, etc. It
 is the blind who has control over what the volunteer sees, while the
 volunteer can for example say a little closer or date is on the other
 side of the milk carton. This way the blind and the sighted volunteer help
 each other to solve the given task.
 
 The technical part of the project is, first, to develop an application
 available for the blind that can connect the users with sighted volunteers -
 here is so far developed a prototype. The second part is to develop a system
 on a server that all Be My Eyes will run on. When you create a user account
 on the system, you could choose whether you are the visual impaired who
 needs help, or if you are the sighted person who wants to help. The sighted
 help to be able both to use the system on an iPhone (or other smart phone
 platforms), an iPad tablet (or other tablet platforms) with a larger screen
 so it's easier to see the image and on a computer where the image is, of
 course, it depends on the screen connected to the computer.
 
 The idea is to build a network of volunteers who want to help. You can even
 sign in and out anything useful, and you can specify what time of the day or
 week you have time to help, where you will be notified accordingly. If
 technology allows, then the visually impaired also use the app over 3G and
 4G, making the possibilities endless, since in this way you can use the
 system anywhere. This requires of course that as a visually impaired learn
 some techniques to use the camera properly. The advantage of video interview
 is that the sighted volunteer can guide one to use the camera properly,
 which eventually becomes better and better.
 
 The team behind Be My Eyes is a mixture of blind, partly sighted and sighted
 people who know the depth of the problems the project to solve. All involved
 have contributed on a strictly volunteer basis.
 
 The idea stems from Hans Jørgen Wiberg who himself is visually impaired.
 

Sonos Users

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

All,

Any of you using Sonos? Either on an iOS device or indeed, if you know  someone 
who is using it on Android… Please will you off list privately come back to me 
with your setup and details…

By this, I mean what Sonos equipment you have and how long you have had it, 
your name, e-mail address and whether you are an Android or iOS user.

Please reply directly to serv...@talknav.com

Subject line Sonos

Thanks.



Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, 
Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com

URL: - www.talknav.com
e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
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Re: another i cloud backup question, please

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Philip,

This is not true, I use WiFi Sync and iCloud backup, have done since both 
became available. I have this exact setup on two iPhone 5's and 3 iPad Mini's 
in our home.

All 5 devices WiFi sync without issue and all 5 backup to iCloud.



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On 3 Apr 2013, at 21:45, Philip M Kragnes p...@umn.edu wrote:

 Once you enable and backup with iCloud, you will not have acess to iTunes 
 WiFi sync.  However, you can still use iTunes by connecting your iPhone to 
 your computer using the USB  cable.
 
 Philip M Kragnes, M.S.
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 - Original Message -
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 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 3:29 PM
 Subject: another i cloud backup question, please
 
 Hi,
 I am behind with things I need to do with my iPhone 4.
  
 I would like to do an I Cloud backup.
  
 When I go to the backup button, I get a message that iTunes will no longer 
 automatically sync with my iphone.
  
 I can still do this manually, right?
  
 I would like to get an iPhone 5, but sure want to backup my iphone before I 
 do any such thing.
  
 sigh
  
 I said I was way behind.
  
 Crystal
 
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Re: HOME SHARING

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Home Sharing, allows you to share the iTunes content on a Mac or Windows iTunes 
library across all other iTunes Mac/Windows installations across your network, 
as well as, any iOS device on that network.

In other words, its darn helpful, the only snag is that the machine with the 
library has to be on and running at all times you wish to gain access to that 
content.



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On 2 Apr 2013, at 17:40, Kliphton kliph...@gmail.com wrote:

 So, what does home sharing exactly do.  Will it let me see all my music on my 
 phone as long as I am on the same network, or is it only designed for apple 
 TV to iTunes?  Inlighten me please.
 
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Re: iPad question

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Shane,

As the iPad battery is bigger, and as such lasts longer, the warning messages 
on an iPad are set at 10% and 5%, rather than 20% and 10% as with an iPhone.



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On 22 Mar 2013, at 06:12, Shane clark hshanecl...@gmail.com wrote:

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 On my iPhone 4S, it'll say 20 percent or 10 percent of battery remaining. But 
 on my iPad it doesn't say this that I've noticed. Anyone know why?
 Thanks. 
 
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Re: Airport Express set up with Airport Utility and Voiceover question

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Debbie,

I use the AirPort Utility quite often on my iPHone 5 and iMac, both are fully 
accessible with Voice Over.

I have an AirPort Extreme as my router and then 4 AirPort Express units, 3 as 
extenders and 1 as a joined network device, to allow a device without WiFi to 
gain access to the internet where there is no physical socket for it in the 
wall.

Happy to help with config should you need it.

If though you are basically extending an existing network, obviously the best 
option is to physically connect the AirPort Express to an ether net socket 
which is attached to your router. The AirPort Express can then extend your WiFi 
network with a physical link to your wired network. This helps with both speed 
and also means you can link more units together.

HTH



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 Hi All
 
 I'm thinking of getting an Airport Express to use as a wireless range
 extender. Has anyone managed to set it up completely using the Airport
 Utility with Voiceover. If so, how usable did you find Voiceover to be and
 did you require any sighted assistance.
 
 
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Re: Summary of Seeing Eye app presentation at CSUN

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Richard,

iPad users with an iPad and 3G can use any and all GPS products, as these 
devices have GPS receivers within them.

Only iPad's which are WiFi only do not.



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On 2 Mar 2013, at 16:24, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote:

 Most GPS apps are useless to iPod Touch and iPad users except for Navigon and 
 possibly TomTom if you have an external GPS receiver.
  
 Again, Sendero is open to hear user feedback, so I hope everyone will contact 
 them either through their contact page at:
 http://www.senderogroup.com/about/contact_us.asp
 or by calling them at:
 1-888-757-6810 Ext. 0
  
 Or, by subscribing to their GPS Email list, though this is geared to all GPS 
 devices:
 http://www.senderogroup.com/social_media/email.htm
  
 Richard
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 erik burggraaf
 Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 6:10 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Summary of Seeing Eye app presentation at CSUN
  
 Onboard maps are absolutely essential for the price point.  Many of my 
 clients who would most benefit from this are ipod users, or even IPad users 
 who bought their devices partially on the basis of not wanting to pay for 
 cell phone service.  So, this app is useless to them and that irritates me.
  
 Best,
  
 Erik Burggraaf
 Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the 
 ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog
 Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
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 On 2013-03-02, at 8:55 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 
 Hi John,
 
 Which maps do you mean when you say the actual maps on the phone? If you
 refer to the native Maps app from Apple then those maps are not on your
 phone, either. They are stored on Apple Servers and your phone uses data to
 retrieve information from then just as Sendero will. One of the few GPS apps
 which downloads maps to your phone is Navigon. Having maps in the cloud is
 for the most part OK, where it does cause a problem is if you are travelling
 to other countries where maybe you don't have a local SIM along with a data
 plan or if you are outside of cell coverage. Most people who live in cities
 and areas with lots of population may not understand how you can be out of
 cell coverage, maybe they are aware of areas with a poor signal, but don't
 have to deal with large regions or stretches of road where there is no cell
 signal at all. People in rural areas especially in Canada are used to this,
 here in BC we have highways up North where you can sometimes drive for
 hundreds of miles with no cell signal. The town of Deas Lake in northern BC
 which has a population of about 1,000 has absolutely no cell coverage within
 400 miles in any direction. Of course people don't need a GPS to find their
 way around Dease Lake *smile*, but I was just making a point how for a
 visitor having maps on the phone can certainly be of great value.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of John Gallagher
 Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 5:14 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Summary of Seeing Eye app presentation at CSUN
 
 Hi Mary trouble it is the maps that incur the costs I cannot 
 understand why the actual maps on the phone cannot be used.
 
 so with blind square do you need four square as well for the poi data?
 I did try blind over hear in the uk and it did seem to work great.#
 cheers then.
 At 13:09 02/03/2013, you wrote:
 
 Hi, Keith,
 
 I'm with you.  I will never spend $100 on any app that I will only 
 be able to use for a year or two.  If this is the way things end up, 
 I will donate $100 to Blind Square so they can develop turn by turn
 navigation.
 
 
 Mary
 
 
 On Mar 1, 2013, at 7:23 PM, Keith Watson wrote:
 
 
 Point 3 just killed any hope of this app for me. If I purchase an
 app for $100 and its only good for a year? Dream on! I would rather 
 donate $100 to blind square.
 
 
 Keith
 
 On Mar 1, 2013, at 7:17 PM, Richard Turner
 richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
 1: The maps are online. The app is using the Mapquest engine.
 2: No virtual mode when the app is released, but it may be added
 later based on user feedback.
 
 3: The cost is likely to be around 100 dollars. It is not
 decided if that will be for one year or three years.
 
 4: When asked for a release date, Mike May said their target was
 last August. So he is not giving a release date. The impression I 
 had is it will be released when 

Re: Summary of Seeing Eye app presentation at CSUN

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Ricardo,

Not to mention that on the Android platform APH don' have Google gouging a 
third of the revenue from them!



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On 2 Mar 2013, at 17:26, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I'm really not sure about that.  Yes, a lot of people use iPhones, and IOS 
 devices but, many, many visually impaired people use Android as well.  And, 
 maybe it was just cheaper to develop the app on the Android platform.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Mar 2, 2013, at 8:04 AM, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What I'm really curious about is why APH would design an app for
 android when most visually impaired people use IPhones? Also I thought
 I read in the manual that the software has a choice of three sets of
 maps.
 
 On 3/2/13, RobH! bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 An easy thing to code into the app though;  and I remember dropDead apps
 were deemed illegal here years ago, but rules change, often for the worse.
 You're not even buying a product to keep any more!
 
 Rh.
 - Original Message -
 From: Grant Hardy grantha...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 AM
 Subject: Re: Summary of Seeing Eye app presentation at CSUN
 
 
 I wonder whether they are thinking of 1-3 years of updates, or 1-3
 years where you will be allowed to use the app? If the latter, I
 wonder how they'll possibly enforce this given that it is not the way
 purchases from the App Store normally work. I've never heard of expiry
 dates on App Store applications.
 
 Grant
 
 On 3/1/13, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote:
 1: The maps are online. The app is using the Mapquest engine.
 2: No virtual mode when the app is released, but it may be added later
 based
 on user feedback.
 3: The cost is likely to be around 100 dollars. It is not decided if that
 will be for one year or three years.
 4: When asked for a release date, Mike May said their target was last
 August. So he is not giving a release date. The impression I had is it
 will
 be released when it is ready and it is not clear when that might be.
 
 Others who listened in may have more to say. If you have more questions
 about the app, you may want to contact Sendero Group, their web site is:
 www.senderogroup.com
 
 
 Richard
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Re: Summary of Seeing Eye app presentation at CSUN

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no, Navigon Map updates are charged.



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On 2 Mar 2013, at 19:21, john gallagher j...@pianotuner.plus.com wrote:

 hi there keith interesting but say on my sendero on the apex because the maps 
 are actually on the machine even though they will not get updated they will 
 still work and yes cost is important for blind people as we have to pay much 
 more for our devices and of course the software.  am i correct in saying that 
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Re: Summary of Seeing Eye app presentation at CSUN

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Mary,

How many $100's do you think will need to be donated to Blind Square to develop 
turn by turn navigation as we need it?

10 users, 100 users, 1000 users, 10,000 users?



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On 2 Mar 2013, at 13:09, Mary nightbir...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi, Keith,
 
 I'm with you.  I will never spend $100 on any app that I will only be able to 
 use for a year or two.  If this is the way things end up, I will donate $100 
 to Blind Square so they can develop turn by turn navigation.
 
 Mary
 
 
 On Mar 1, 2013, at 7:23 PM, Keith Watson wrote:
 
 Point 3 just killed any hope of this app for me. If I purchase an app for 
 $100 and its only good for a year? Dream on! I would rather donate $100 to 
 blind square.
 
 Keith
 
 On Mar 1, 2013, at 7:17 PM, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 1: The maps are online. The app is using the Mapquest engine.
 2: No virtual mode when the app is released, but it may be added later 
 based on user feedback.
 3: The cost is likely to be around 100 dollars. It is not decided if that 
 will be for one year or three years.
 4: When asked for a release date, Mike May said their target was last 
 August. So he is not giving a release date. The impression I had is it will 
 be released when it is ready and it is not clear when that might be.
 
 Others who listened in may have more to say. If you have more questions 
 about the app, you may want to contact Sendero Group, their web site is:
 www.senderogroup.com
 
 
 Richard
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Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Mary,

The key question I would ask is, what map source is APH using? some maps cost 
less, others cost more… depends on the source.



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On 1 Mar 2013, at 01:02, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi David,
 
 I am not sure if on line maps are cheaper. The American Printing House has 
 just issued their blindness-oriented gps app on Android and, drum roll, it 
 uses off line maps. Same small market, maybe even smaller, since as of now, 
 it is only marketed in the U.S. and for the android-using population of blind 
 folks. And my guess is there are fewer blind Android users than i-device 
 users in this country. So, you may be right. But how, then  is APH doing this 
 with off line maps? And it is interesting that the reaction to folks to that 
 app has been the opposite of what has happened here, that is, people want on 
 line, not off line maps. As the saying goes, you can't win for losing.
 
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Seeing Eye GPS Blind users rights to accessibility

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Chris,

Interesting point, and, as a side note…

I've long not been impressed when blind folk talk about GPS products being made 
accessible by mainstream firms, yes, we all agree that core functionality 
should be accessible… That might, for example, include making buttons labelled, 
ensuring that graphics are labelled and that general UI is user friendly.

The key feature though that blind people seem to want made accessible, stating 
that sighted people can, so we should be to… Is not a feature of the App, 
rather the persons eyes and brain.

Most users want the feature of, whats around me, made to be accessible. The 
issue here is that this is not what mainstream GPS products do. Thus, there is 
nothing to make accessible. Making something accessible is all about taking 
something that a thing does, and making it usable by all who wish to use it.

If the product did not do the thing in the first place, but, you would like it 
to do it, then that is a modification or new feature.

Mainstream GPS products show a map, with a marker of your location, the rest of 
the work, in terms of, where am I, what's around me and what's in front etc… 
All of that occurs in the sighted persons brain, they use their eyes, 
accumulate the data, and do the rest in their heads.

We, blind users cannot do this, as we cannot interact with the screen. This is 
not an accessibility issue.

We therefore need the products to do more than our sighted users do, we need a 
new feature. We need the GPS product to do the work for us.

This is why a GPS with this feature, lets not think of it as one for the blind, 
just a GPS product with an additional feature. That is why this will cost more… 
It has an additional feature that other GPS products do not.

Now, when pricing the product, the manufacturer, Sendero in this case, will sit 
down, work out how many units they could sell to any given number of users, 
then divide the cost of developing this feature down and coupled with all other 
development costs derive an end price.

You of course have a choice, to buy a GPS with this feature or without it, but, 
I do get frustrated when folk turn this particular argument into an accessible 
or accessibility one. For the most part, what we are talking about is not an 
accessibility issue, its a feature set issue. One that only our group requires. 
Not many sighted users have such difficulty reading a map that they'd want it 
doing for them.

This common notion that mainstream products should be made accessible, whilst 
true in certain instances, is not when it comes to select features of a GPS.





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On 27 Feb 2013, at 15:15, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's also worth bearing in mind that regardless of the price, unless of
 course it's free, there will be some people who think it's too much.
 This is understandable since the blind span the economic spectrum. It's
 also human nature and not specific to the blind.
 
 There are also those who will label it as a blind ghetto product and
 avoid it at all costs with the belief that main stream products should
 be made more accessible rather than investing in applications specific
 for the blind. I respect those who share this opinion, but I'm more
 pragmatic than religious on this point, i.e. I'll use whatever I need to
 to get the job done. I think my independence and ability to compete with
 my sighted peers does more to promote the independence of the blind than
 it does for me to avoid a product developed with the blind in mind.
 Again, this is just my opinion, and I definitely respect those with a
 contrary opinion.
 
 Finally, I can only speak for myself, but I'm not really too interested
 in what others think about whether a price is fair or not. As Raul says,
 this is a decision I'm going to make myself anyway.
 
 On 27/02/13 08:11, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:
 One other nugget of thought to bear in mind, whatever is charged, Apple
 will be nabbing 30% of that, so just bear that in mind when the
 criticisms begin to flow.
 
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Neil Barnfather
 
 Talks List Administrator
 Twitter @neilbarnfather
 
 TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an
 Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
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 http://www.talknav.com
 
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 e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com mailto:serv...@talknav.com
 Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
 
 On 27 Feb 2013, at 06:49, Charles Dean chuckd...@icloud.com
 mailto:chuckd...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Years ago I bought

Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Louise,

I'm sure even if folk were selected they could not announce as such.



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On 27 Feb 2013, at 17:26, Louise Redsull louisereds...@googlemail.com wrote:

 I wonder what the people finder app is like and how it works.
  
 Also was just wondering if anybody on list has received an email to say they 
 were selected as a tester.
  
 Take care,
  
 Louise.
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Richard Turner
 Sent: 26 February 2013 10:02 PM
 To: ViPone list
 Subject: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 
 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
  
 I wasn't  sure if this had been seen on this list: 
 From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org 
 [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey
 Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM
 To: 'Kim Casey'
 Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero 
 products, and remote CSUN access!
 
  
 Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years 
 of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero 
 GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the 
 beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully 
 accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit 
 us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for a 
 Test Flight as soon as it is available.
 
  
 
 About Seeing Eye GPS
 
  
 
 Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a 
 guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two 
 pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to 
 provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal 
 navigation features plus features unique to blind users.
 
  
 
 * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation elements 
 are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location.
 
 * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are 
 announced.
 
 * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation of 
 the streets.
 
 * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map sources.
 
 * Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and vehicle routes 
 including heads up when approaching a turn, the turn now indication, continue 
 straight and where the subsequent turn is located. 
 
 * When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically recalculated and 
 updated turn information is announced.
 
 * Point your phone in a given direction to hear what is nearby with the 
 LookAround Wand.
 
 * Nearby Points of interest and intersections are automatically announced.
 
 For more information go 
 tohttp://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm
 
  
 
 New 2013 Sendero products
 
  
 
 Announcing Sendero PC GPS 2013, adds GPS functionality to Sendero PC Maps and 
 works on Windows laptops, Tablets, and ultrabooks.
 
 New 2013 maps and POIs for Sendero GPS, Sense Navigation, and Mobile Geo plus 
 much faster POI searches
 
  
 
 Not going to CSUN – No problem!
  
 Thanks to the folks at Accessible World Tek Talk, you can join in the fun and 
 listen into the following presentations. 
 February 28, Thursday, 9:30 - 10:30 PM, Testing a Prototype iPhone People 
 Finder App
 
 March 1, Friday, 2:00 - 3:00 PM, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App
 
 Just go to: http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2 
 at the scheduled session time.  If you are a first-time user of the Talking 
 Communities online conferencing software, there is a small, safe software 
 program that you need to download and then run. 
 Visithttp://accessibleworld.org/audio-tc-faq-page for information on how to 
 get your computer set up for the session.
 
  
 For more information on all of these items, go tohttp://www.SenderoGroup.com 
 or call Sendero toll free at 1-888-757-6810
 
 Don't forget to sign up for our SenderoGPS Twitter account to hear 
 play-by-play comments as the new iPhone app is rolled out!
 
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Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Chuck,

I'm not sure this is right, where did you read this specifically? can you copy 
/ paste the section that led you to this view?

thanks.



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On 27 Feb 2013, at 18:09, Charles Dean chuckd...@icloud.com wrote:

 I wish the people replying to these posts would read the information before 
 they post. According to the website, Sandero is indeed going to include maps 
 on the phone.
 
 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. 
 
 On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 Hi Bob,
 
 Sendero LookAround uses data to look up map information and somehow I doubt
 they would put the maps on the phone, but I guess we'll see. Keep in mind
 that your GPS application accessing map data will not use up huge amounts of
 data. I am also in Canada and while I am now on a 2 Gig plan I used to be on
 a flex plan and I have a hard time using even 1 Gig of data a month, of
 course I am not streaming music all day long through my phone, but I am also
 not particularly careful, I download apps via 3G, make VoIP calls via 3G and
 even download or stream the occasional podcast.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Robert Fenton
 Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:36 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013
 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
 
 Hello. 
 
 The reason I asked about price earlier was simply to know how much I would
 be paying to obtain the product. There is little question that I will be
 purchasing it. The only factors that might convince me otherwise is if
 Canadian maps are not available or if maps are only available via data plan.
 The latter factor would substantially increase my bottom line cost for using
 the app since at the time of purchasing my cell phone contract, no unlimited
 data plans were available in the jurisdiction where I live. 
 
 So, my initial question about price was a relatively simple one. I had no
 idea the discussion would take the philosophical turns it has. Sorry if that
 has bothered anybody. J
 
 Bob Fenton
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 2013-02-27, at 8:15 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It's also worth bearing in mind that regardless of the price, unless 
 of course it's free, there will be some people who think it's too much.
 This is understandable since the blind span the economic spectrum. 
 It's also human nature and not specific to the blind.
 
 There are also those who will label it as a blind ghetto product and 
 avoid it at all costs with the belief that main stream products should 
 be made more accessible rather than investing in applications specific 
 for the blind. I respect those who share this opinion, but I'm more 
 pragmatic than religious on this point, i.e. I'll use whatever I need 
 to to get the job done. I think my independence and ability to compete 
 with my sighted peers does more to promote the independence of the 
 blind than it does for me to avoid a product developed with the blind in
 mind.
 Again, this is just my opinion, and I definitely respect those with a 
 contrary opinion.
 
 Finally, I can only speak for myself, but I'm not really too 
 interested in what others think about whether a price is fair or not. 
 As Raul says, this is a decision I'm going to make myself anyway.
 
 On 27/02/13 08:11, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:
 One other nugget of thought to bear in mind, whatever is charged, 
 Apple will be nabbing 30% of that, so just bear that in mind when the 
 criticisms begin to flow.
 
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Neil Barnfather
 
 Talks List Administrator
 Twitter @neilbarnfather
 
 TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an 
 Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all 
 your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit 
 www.talknav.com http://www.talknav.com
 
 URL: - www.talknav.com http://www.talknav.com
 e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com mailto:serv...@talknav.com
 Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
 
 On 27 Feb 2013, at 06:49, Charles Dean chuckd...@icloud.com 
 mailto:chuckd...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Years ago I bought the human ware Trekker which cost over twelve 
 hundred dollars. Considering the freedom it gave me, I still think 
 it was worth every penny.
 
 Unfortunately, so many apps are so inexpensive that when one appears 
 with a higher prize tag, many of us get a little sticker shock.
 
 If this app proves to be as good as I hope, I will buy it no matter 
 what the costs.
 
 Chuck

Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Mark,

You assume that they, Sendero, did not already approach the likes of Navigon et 
al, with a view to doing just that…

Perhaps they did, perhaps they did not… perhaps they did and the mainstream 
partners were not interested.



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On 28 Feb 2013, at 03:36, Mark BurningHawk stone_tr...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 So it would still make more sense to partner with a company who makes such a 
 silent, visually appealing app, and piggy-back a Sendero type level of verbal 
 interaction at the user's command.  This, after all, is what VoiceOver does 
 to the native IOS when it's invoked.  Then, this amortization thing you speak 
 of can be spread not only over a wider customer base but over two companies' 
 resources.  The problem with a product that costs significantly higher 
 because it's targeted primarily toward blind people … Okay, let me start that 
 again…  *another* problem with this approach is that there are agencies and 
 the like with deep pockets who will justify such a purchase in their rehab or 
 other budgets, which keeps up the barrier between the blind and the world at 
 large.  I see a win-win for Sendero to partner with a more conventionally 
 familiar name, I.E. Garnin or someone, or even with the Apple Maps app, 
 provide their product as an option when wanted, and at a significantly lower 
 cost to everyone.  Will I get it and all the maps I need when it comes out?  
 Most likely, unless it's off the scale.  I personally hope at least one , or 
 home, map comes free with it, or perhaps a set, one from each map source.  
 But making the price too high might not be as damaging as making the target 
 user base too small.  Reinventing the wheel seems a bit redundant, if you'll 
 allow me to repeat myself a little bit one more time again.
 
 Mark BurningHawk
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Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

One other nugget of thought to bear in mind, whatever is charged, Apple will be 
nabbing 30% of that, so just bear that in mind when the criticisms begin to 
flow.



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On 27 Feb 2013, at 06:49, Charles Dean chuckd...@icloud.com wrote:

 Years ago I bought the human ware Trekker which cost over twelve hundred 
 dollars. Considering the freedom it gave me, I still think it was worth every 
 penny. 
 
 Unfortunately, so many apps are so inexpensive that when one appears with a 
 higher prize tag, many of us get a little sticker shock. 
 
 If this app proves to be as good as I hope, I will buy it no matter what the 
 costs. 
 
 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. 
 
 On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com 
 wrote:
 
 The one thing to keep in mind once the price is announced is how much is 
 this app worth to some of us. Remember that specific installs for the 
 braille note and braille cents products cost more than $600. Also remember 
 that many commercial GPS apps for the iPhone itself can cost anywhere from 
 $25-$55. I have no idea what the price for this app will be, however I do 
 know that once that price is announced if people don't like it there will 
 definitely be a lot of vocalization from peoples opinions. I only say this 
 because any time and accessibility app is announced in that price is more 
 than five dollars, people seem to make a big deal over it. I can look 
 through the archives and discussions of the access notetaker app, 
 blindsquare, Fleksy, Sendero's Look Around app, and the various daisy 
 readers Have mostly initially been met with criticism over the price. Some 
 people will purchase the app despite the cost because they want to support 
 the developer. Others will purchase the app because it is worth it to them. 
 And still others might wait for the app to go on sale before they make a 
 purchase. My purchasing history shows that depending on the app in question 
 I could fall into any of those categories. Fleksy and blindsquare were apps 
 which I purchased only after they went on sale. Yet voice dream reader and 
 looktel recognizer were apps I purchased at full price. And finally, apps 
 light digit-eyes and read2go our ones which I have not purchased and don't 
 intend to. So my only point in writing this message is to remind everyone, 
 including myself, that no matter what the price of a new app is, we will 
 have to decide for ourselves if it is really worth it to us considering our 
 personal needs and the features contained in the app.
 
 Cheers!
 
 On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 Hi List,
  
 This does indeed sound very promising and I especially think one of the 
 best news about this is that they use both Navteq and OSM maps as well as 
 POI’s from Navteq, Foursquare and OSM. This should really provide very good 
 and up-to-date map and POI information.
  
 Maybe we can all have a few less apps on the phone since this one will most 
 likely make some others redundant.
  
 I also would imagine that since Seeing-Eye is involved in funding the 
 project that the price for the app maybe more reasonable than we all may 
 think.
  
  
 Best regards,
 Sieghard
  
  
  
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Richard Turner
 Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:02 PM
 To: ViPone list
 Subject: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 
 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
  
 I wasn't  sure if this had been seen on this list: 
 From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org 
 [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey
 Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM
 To: 'Kim Casey'
 Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero 
 products, and remote CSUN access!
  
 Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20 years 
 of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all Sendero 
 GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the 
 beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully 
 accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit 
 us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for 
 a Test Flight as soon as it is available.
 
  
 
 About Seeing Eye GPS
 
  
 
 Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a 
 guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two 
 pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up 
 

Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

I believe the test flight program is completely full now, so do not worry about 
it.



Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, 
Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
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On 27 Feb 2013, at 14:29, DJ grou...@gmail.com wrote:

 I sure would like to know what the e-mail address is to reply to in order to
 receive the test flight information?  Does anyone have such information and
 is willing to share it?  Thank you.
 
 DJ
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Chuck Dean
 Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 12:23 AM
 To: VIPhone
 Subject: Re: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013
 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
 
 Hi Richard,
 The on line conference, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App.
 on , Friday,, March 1: 2:00 - 3:00 PM,
 
 It doesn't say what time zone?
 
 
 
 
 
 On Feb 26, 3:01 pm, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote:
 I wasn't  sure if this had been seen on this list:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: senderogps-bou...@freelists.org 
 [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kim Casey
 Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM
 To: 'Kim Casey'
 Subject: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013
 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
 
 Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. Almost 20
 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the design of all
 Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS are only the
 beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this first fully
 accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit
 us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a link for
 a Test Flight as soon as it is available.
 
 About Seeing Eye GPS
 
 Getting around independently is a function of good mobility tools like a
 guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible GPS. Two
 pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have teamed up to
 provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal
 navigation features plus features unique to blind users.
 
 * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important navigation
 elements are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and Location.
 
 * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel are
 announced.
 
 * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face orientation
 of the streets.
 
 * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map sources.
 
 * Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and vehicle
 routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the turn now indication,
 continue straight and where the subsequent turn is located.
 
 * When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically recalculated
 and updated turn information is announced.
 
 * Point your phone in a given direction to hear what is nearby with the
 LookAround Wand.
 
 * Nearby Points of interest and intersections are automatically
 announced.
 
 For more information go 
 tohttp://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm
 
 New 2013 Sendero products
 
 Announcing Sendero PC GPS 2013, adds GPS functionality to Sendero PC
 Maps and works on Windows laptops, Tablets, and ultrabooks.
 
 New 2013 maps and POIs for Sendero GPS, Sense Navigation, and Mobile 
 Geo plus much faster POI searches
 
 Not going to CSUN – No problem!
 
 Thanks to the folks at Accessible World Tek Talk, you can join in the
 fun and listen into the following presentations.
 
 February 28, Thursday, 9:30 - 10:30 PM, Testing a Prototype iPhone 
 People Finder App
 
 March 1, Friday, 2:00 - 3:00 PM, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone 
 App
 
 Just go
 to:http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2at the
 scheduled session time.  If you are a first-time user of the Talking
 Communities online conferencing software, there is a small, safe software
 program that you need to download and then run.
 Visithttp://accessibleworld.org/audio-tc-faq-pagefor information on how to
 get your computer set up for the session.
 
 For more information on all of these items, go 
 tohttp://www.SenderoGroup.comor call Sendero toll free at 
 1-888-757-6810
 
 Don't forget to sign up for our SenderoGPS Twitter account to hear
 play-by-play comments as the new iPhone app is rolled out!
 
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Re: Forget that Number!

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Go into the Contact App, in here locate your wife's contact card…

double tap to bring up the details…

You should find both phone numbers listed.

Double tap edit located near to the top right of the screen.

Now swipe down until you here the wrong phone number, once you've found it, 
swipe left to the delete button, double tap… You should be moved to the confirm 
delete button, double tap.

You're done, double tap the done button at the top right and then the home key.



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On 25 Feb 2013, at 22:05, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:

 Go into the phone app and remove the entry with the bad number in it
 from your Recents list.
 
 On 25/02/13 10:22, Jim Shaffer wrote:
 I once called my wife's mobile with a prefix of 1, (e.g.) 1-xxx- instead 
 of just xxx-.  Now everytime I use Siri to call her I have to choose 
 between the number with the 1 and without the 1.  How do I get my IPhone to 
 forget that number with the 1 so I don't have to choose every time?  Note 
 that I don't have 2 contacts for her, just the contact without the 1.
 --
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 NLS Certified Literary Braille Transcriber and Proofreader
 Pflugerville, TX
 email:  j...@jjshaffer.net
 cell:  512-699-9251
 skype:  cyber_blink
 web page:  www.jjshaffer.net
 facebook:  http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1586793618
 band page:  www.pgramblers.com/
 
 
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Re: OT: Change.Org Petition Samsung Attack On Vlind

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Sieghard,

My experience too, completed in under a minute on my Mac, all done, nice and 
simple.

hundreds have signed so far.



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On 24 Feb 2013, at 20:19, RobH! bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Ok, can try again if I can find the msg with the link in.
 
 Thanks, Rh.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 7:22 PM
 Subject: RE: OT: Change.Org Petition Samsung Attack On Vlind
 
 
 Hi Rob,
 
 I just filled out the petition as much to support it as to check it's
 accessibility. It took me about 1 minute to fill in my name, email, address
 and phone number. I wrote a few lines of text in the field Why is this
 important to me although this field is optional. When I was done I clicked
 the Sign link at the bottom and the website immediately came back and said
 Thanks for signing...
 I did notice there is also  a Submit button so I went back a second time
 and filled it out again using a friend's name and my business address and
 email. This time I tried th Submit button and it worked just as fast and
 with the same result.
 In both cases I received an email shortly after thanking me for signing and
 asking to forward the email to others.
 Lastly I filled it out on my iPhone and it also worked fine.
 
 Maybe for some reason the website had an issue when you tried to fill this
 out, but I found no issues, the process was fully accessible, quick and
 easy. When I did the first one 138 people had signed which is quite a jump
 from the 23 you saw a few hours ago and when I went back 5 minutes later it
 was up by another 10, now after I did the one on my iPhone it's up to 170.
 This indicates it works for others as well.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of RobH!
 Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:11 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: OT: Change.Org Petition Samsung Attack On Vlind
 
 I used a real town name,  but it's not a city like I said, so it tossed ito
 ut.  I've had this kind of thing in the appstore's feedback section, so
 seldom waste time on those either.
 
 Thanks both, RobH.
 - Original Message -
 From: Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:15 PM
 Subject: Re: OT: Change.Org Petition Samsung Attack On Vlind
 
 
 You can't leave the fields blank, but you can put n/a (n-slash-a) or
 whatever you want in them. :) This is what I did for my street address.
 Teresa
 On Feb 24, 2013, at 7:00 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:
 
 Aah, no wonder I had the same problem, but I thought because I was trying
 to fill it in with my I phone, as I'm away from home, away from my I Mac.
 I will write back to the original person to see what he did and write back
 
 to give you an answer.  I'm very sorry about this as I did not know but
 thought some one would want to sign it.
 
 Sincere apologies.
 
 Kawal.
 
 On 24 Feb 2013, at 11:05 AM, RobH! bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 This petition is crap, I filled it in,  it refuses to go forward without
 all
 personal details, then refuses to go forward even with them;  it can't
 find
 my city,  my town isn't a city!
 
 I wasted 10 minutes on it,  I'm not prepaired to waste any more.  They
 should really look at this kind of thing more closely if they want
 subscribers to stick with it long enough to count. I note only 23 had
 succeeded so far.
 
 Rh.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com
 To: Undisclosed recipients:
 Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:56 AM
 Subject: Fwd: OT: Change.Org Petition Samsung Attack On Vlind
 
 
 
 
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
 From: jshandr...@gmail.com
 Date: 24 February 2013 09:22:27 AM GMT
 To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: OT: Change.Org Petition Samsung Attack On Vlind
 Reply-To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
 
 
 Hello All,
 
 Some of you may have already seen this. I know its been tweeted out. I
 posted a petition on Change .Org on Saturday. It is in reference to
 Samsung trying to block sale of Apple products in Germany. Yes, I know
 their is a temporary hold on the decision. I just want Samsung to know
 the
 attack on the blind community is a bad move. Not only financially, bug
 for
 PR reasons. It is your choice whether or not you want to sign. I'm
 including the link. Pass it around to your friends and family to sign.
 Thanks for the support.http://chn.ge/XTrva7
 
 Vest, J. p.
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Re: Question.

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

David and all,

what might happen is that you may not be able to turn Voice Over on and off out 
of the box, but rather using either iTunes, or, I would suspect that Apple 
would simply change the method from a triple tap of the home key, to, a 
rectangle drawn on the screen or something similar, as Android does.

It will not mark the end to independent VO activation etc.



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On 23 Feb 2013, at 22:03, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:

 That won't happen. What may happen, if Samsung is successful, is triple-click 
 home will be disabled so you would not be able to turn VO on and off 
 independently.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 24/02/2013, at 10:52, anita silky...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi List,
 If the unthinkable happens, in that IOS products aren't accessible to 
 us, then what to do next? Going back to MobileSpeak isn't anything I want to 
 do!
 Anita
 
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Re: Some news on Navigon.

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Kawal,

What specifically are you inferring that Navigon are going to be doing for us?

what features ar they adding or implementing that are specific for the blind?



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On 20 Feb 2013, at 16:27, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:

 No, I'm talking about Navigon. Just for your Information, There are charities 
 collaborating with Seeing Eye as I asked and had confirmation.
 
 On 20 Feb 2013, at 04:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 Hi Kawal,
 
 Which solution is this? Are you talking about the same app as before from
 Sendero and Seeing-Eye?
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Kawal Gucukoglu
 Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 5:55 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionaries
 Subject: Some news on Navigon.
 
 Hello All.
 
 I don't use Navigon but today I have discovered that there is to be a new
 solution for Navigon in the near future which will be benefitting the blind.
 So we will have two gps solutions to choose from. I thought I'd pass this
 along to the lists.
 
 Kind regards,
 
 Kawal.
 
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Re: In-flight Wi-Fi, was: Airplane Mode

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Shall have to look into that again, perhaps it was just where the plane was in 
the air and geographically speaking, when I tried it that was to blame.



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On 13 Feb 2013, at 14:15, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:

 Streaming works perfectly fine for music. Bandwidth isn't bad at all. 
 However, some ports are blocked.
 Jonathan
 On 13/02/2013, at 10:19 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com 
 wrote:
 
 Sieghard,
 
 My understanding is that bandwidth is not enough, possibly even deliberately 
 so, so as to not permit VOIP calling.
 
 I heard they deliberately do this because they do not want a cabin full of 
 folk on the phone, shouting away!
 
 My experience has been that band width is enough to e-mail etc, surf the 
 net, albeit slowly, and that's about it. no chance whatsoever of streaming a 
 movie or even low quality music, and no chance of VOIP.
 
 
 
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 On 12 Feb 2013, at 18:36, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 I wonder just how many flights actually have in-flight WiFi at this point. I
 was on 7 individual flights in the States in the last year and not a single
 one of them had in-flight WiFi. If this is representative I guess this is
 not all that common yet. And I really want to be on one that does have it so
 I can call a friend over in Germany with Skype and say that I am calling
 from inside an airplane *smile*
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Christopher Chaltain
 Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 10:30 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Airplane Mode
 
 Yes, if your flight has in flight wifi, which may not be free.
 
 On 12/02/13 12:28, cathy harris wrote:
 When the plane has reached it's flying altitude, can you text?
 - Original Message -
 From: Sharonda Greenlaw sbgreen...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 1:13 PM
 Subject: Re: Airplane Mode
 
 
 And if the airplane has in-flight Wi-Fi, you can also turn on Wi-Fi 
 and listen to music that way.
 
 Sent from my iPhone; please excuse all mistakes
 
 On Feb 12, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Christopher Chaltain 
 chalt...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 True, you could listen to music stored locally on your device. You 
 could work with any data stored locally.
 
 On 11/02/13 21:19, Stacey Robinson wrote:
 Oh, ok, I see.
 You could listen to music or something like that though?
 
 On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:08 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
 
 Air plane mode turns off all of the radios on your iPhone, wifi, 
 GPS, cellular and so on. It puts your iPhoneinto FCC compliance 
 when you're taking off or landing in a commercial air liner.
 
 On 10/02/13 22:01, Stacey Robinson wrote:
 Hi all,
 Could someone explain to me exactly what airplane mode does?
 Thanks,
 Stacey Robinson and Chesley
 
 
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Re: Case Recommendation for iPhone 5

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Alan,

I bought it from amazon.co.uk and it cost me about, as I cannot recall now 
exactly, about £20, being about US$32 or so.





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On 10 Feb 2013, at 02:17, Alan Lemly wale...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes, the case is see-through and I really like it. Where did you get your 
 black one and how much was it?
  
 Alan
  
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
 Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 3:11 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Case Recommendation for iPhone 5
  
 soudns right to me, although you got the clear model, I had the black one.
  
 I guess this will make your case see through, although not sure.
  
 either way, that's the one I have.
  
 Hope you like it.
  
  
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 Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
  
 On 8 Feb 2013, at 15:04, Alan Lemly wale...@gmail.com wrote:
  
 Neil, here is the title of the Tech 21 cover I ordered from Amazon and should 
 receive today: TECH 21 D30 Impact Shell Snap On Skin Case Cover for Apple 
 iPhone 5 - Clear for $39.99. Does this sound like I got the right thing 
 you've been recommending? I didn't want the one with the leather cover 
 either. Here's the link to the item on Amazon:
  
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009N8VX1A/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
  
 Thanks.
  
 Alan
  
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
 Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 4:56 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Case Recommendation for iPhone 5
  
 Alan,
  
 I'd say something was wrong there, the leather  cover version is more 
 expensive.
  
 Perhaps you bought the shell version from a different seller who was charging 
 differently to another seller?
  
 Tech21 do not sell directly on Amazon, although you can buy from their 
 web-site.
  
  
 Regards,
  
 Neil Barnfather
  
 Talks List Administrator
 Twitter @neilbarnfather
  
 TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
 iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
 accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
  
 URL: - www.talknav.com
 e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
 Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
  
 On 6 Feb 2013, at 23:49, Alan Lemly wale...@gmail.com wrote:
  
 Neil, thanks so much. I ordered the Tech 21 shell model from Amazon today. I 
 was a bit surprised that it cost about $10 more than the one with the leather 
 front flap unless I just missed something.
  
 Alan
  
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
 Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 4:11 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Case Recommendation for iPhone 5
  
 Alan,
  
 I personally highly rate the cases from Tech21, they offer three styles for 
 the iPhone 5 and other models of iPhone / iPad etc.
  
 These are; a band that only protects the side, leaving the back and front 
 exposed, useful if you're desperate to show off your Apple logo on the 
 reverse :)… Then the shell style which is a back and sides, I have this type… 
 and finally, a shell with leather folding flap that covers the front as well…
  
 I personally did not go for the leather screen cover for several reasons… 
 Firstly, I've never yet, really should not have wrote that :), damaged the 
 screen of any of my iOS devices, but I have scratched, chipped and generally 
 marked the backs and sides, so these are the areas I consider require 
 protecting. I do not use a screen protector.
  
 The Tech21 cases are unique in their protection over all other cases, they 
 add all but nothing by way of weight and mass to your device, only about a 
 few mil each side, yet they protect in a amazing way.
  
 Tech21 use D3O impact technology, which is a revolutionary material invented 
 by the military to protect things, its now found in extreme sports wear and 
 other things like that…
  
 Basically, its coloured orange if you can see anything, not the case mark 
 you, just the D3O which of course is inside the case away from view.
  
 What it does is spread the energy from an impact across the whole case 
 dispersing

Re: Ever wanted to print to your printer, without an AirPrint printer?

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Sherry,

The issue with an iOS app to do this is that it means all using your printer 
need the app.





Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, 
Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com

URL: - www.talknav.com
e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
Phone: - +44  844 999 4199

On 10 Feb 2013, at 20:05, Sherrie nanagoose4...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have an HP office jet wireless printer on my home  network.  I downloaded 
 an app called Printer Pro.  I downloaded the free version to see  if it would 
 work.  It located the printer and printed a test page from the phone.  To use 
 it as a regular printer you have to buy the paid version which is $4.99, I 
 think.  I didn’t do it yet since I don’t write many documents on my phone 
 that would need printing.
 I also experimented with two different HP printing apps and neither 
 discovered my HP printer.  Go figure.
 Just for the record the wireless printer is in a different room from the 
 router.
 Sherrie
  
 So Printer Pro might just be a much less expensive option for wireless 
 printing.
  
 From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
 Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 10:32 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Ever wanted to print to your printer, without an AirPrint 
 printer?
  
 Keith,
  
 No, your printer if it is either physically using ether net, or wirelessly 
 using WiFi connected to your network stays as it is. You do not connect the 
 X-Print Server to your printer at all… You only connect a USB printer to the 
 X-Print Server, not a network enabled one.
  
 You would connect the single ether net socket on the X-Print Server to your 
 router, the iOS device prints to the X-Print Server, which appears to your 
 device as the name of your printer. The X-Print Server pushes the print job 
 then over the network to the printer itself.
  
 does that make sense?
 
 
  
 Regards,
  
 Neil Barnfather
  
 Talks List Administrator
 Twitter @neilbarnfather
  
 TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
 iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
 accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
  
 URL: - www.talknav.com
 e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
 Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
  
 On 9 Feb 2013, at 23:07, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
 kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu wrote:
 
 Thanks, Neil. Sounds great.
 
 How do you think this situation would set-up?
 
 I have a network associated printer, but it is a wireless connection and the 
 printer is in a different room from my router. I can't get my brain around 
 the set-up, as I understood the Ethernet needs to link to both the router 
 and the printer.
 
 Thanks, Keith
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
 Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 3:05 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Ever wanted to print to your printer, without an AirPrint printer?
 
 Hi All,
 
 I'm sure there are many of you out there who wish you could easily print to 
 your printers direct from your iOS devices, but, you lack an AirPrint 
 printer.
 
 I've been in this position since Apple released AirPrint enabled printers, 
 having a large HP laser office grade printer here, there was no way I was 
 shelling out hundreds of pounds to buy a new printer just for that feature. 
 No matter how much I knew it would be of use etc.
 
 Anyway, I thought I'd share with you all a fantastic little device I bought 
 a month ago now which has solved everything for me.
 
 Its called X-Print Server and comes in two flavours, home and office 
 edition. I bought the Home edition as I only have the one printer here, but, 
 do bear in mind that the home version will do more than one printer.
 
 The device itself is very small, about a third of the size of an iPHone, has 
 a USB slot and an ether net socket on it. Plus a mains socket for providing 
 power.
 
 The beauty of this device is its complete simplicity. Plug in the ether net 
 lead and power if you have a network connected printer, if you only have a 
 USB one, plug in the ether net,, power and USB lead to your printer.
 
 The ether net connects to your switch or internet connection providers hub.
 
 Now this device auto discovers printers on the network, then downloads the 
 latest drivers for them and that's it, once this initial fully automatic 
 operation completes, took about a minute for me, your printer will appear 
 within the print options when you press print on your iOS devices.
 
 This worked a complete charm for me, my HP CM2320 MFP FXI appeared instantly 
 on all my iOS devices and printing works exactly as you'd hope.
 
 A few things to bear in mind, you may wish to assign your network printer a 
 static IP if you are using

Re: Case Recommendation for iPhone 5

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Kawal,

You bought it with the leather flap, I did not, but, if you got it for £14, you 
are doing very well.

They show as more than that on Amazon right now...



Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, 
Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com

URL: - www.talknav.com
e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
Phone: - +44  844 999 4199

On 11 Feb 2013, at 09:55, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:

 Hi Neil.
 
 When I bought my case from Amazon, it cost me £14 and it was the tech 21 (I 
 think it was the same as yours), as mine top bit opens like a book, but 
 around the sides, and back there is some protection, and the phone snaps in 
 to place. Is that the same as yours?
 
 Kawal.
 
 On 11 Feb 2013, at 09:28 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com 
 wrote:
 
 Alan,
 
 I bought it from amazon.co.uk and it cost me about, as I cannot recall now 
 exactly, about £20, being about US$32 or so.
 
 
 
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Neil Barnfather
 
 Talks List Administrator
 Twitter @neilbarnfather
 
 TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
 iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
 accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
 
 URL: - www.talknav.com
 e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
 Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
 
 On 10 Feb 2013, at 02:17, Alan Lemly wale...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yes, the case is see-through and I really like it. Where did you get your 
 black one and how much was it?
 
 Alan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
 Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 3:11 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Case Recommendation for iPhone 5
 
 soudns right to me, although you got the clear model, I had the black one.
 
 I guess this will make your case see through, although not sure.
 
 either way, that's the one I have.
 
 Hope you like it.
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Neil Barnfather
 
 Talks List Administrator
 Twitter @neilbarnfather
 
 TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
 iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
 accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
 
 URL: - www.talknav.com
 e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
 Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
 
 On 8 Feb 2013, at 15:04, Alan Lemly wale...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Neil, here is the title of the Tech 21 cover I ordered from Amazon and 
 should receive today: TECH 21 D30 Impact Shell Snap On Skin Case Cover for 
 Apple iPhone 5 - Clear for $39.99. Does this sound like I got the right 
 thing you've been recommending? I didn't want the one with the leather 
 cover either. Here's the link to the item on Amazon:
 
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009N8VX1A/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
 
 Thanks.
 
 Alan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
 Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 4:56 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Case Recommendation for iPhone 5
 
 Alan,
 
 I'd say something was wrong there, the leather  cover version is more 
 expensive.
 
 Perhaps you bought the shell version from a different seller who was 
 charging differently to another seller?
 
 Tech21 do not sell directly on Amazon, although you can buy from their 
 web-site.
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Neil Barnfather
 
 Talks List Administrator
 Twitter @neilbarnfather
 
 TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
 iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
 accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
 
 URL: - www.talknav.com
 e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
 Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
 
 On 6 Feb 2013, at 23:49, Alan Lemly wale...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Neil, thanks so much. I ordered the Tech 21 shell model from Amazon today. 
 I was a bit surprised that it cost about $10 more than the one with the 
 leather front flap unless I just missed something.
 
 Alan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
 Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 4:11 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Case Recommendation for iPhone 5
 
 Alan,
 
 I personally highly rate the cases from Tech21, they offer three styles for 
 the iPhone 5 and other models of iPhone / iPad etc.
 
 These are; a band that only protects the side, leaving the back and front 
 exposed, useful if you're desperate to show off your Apple logo on the 
 reverse :)… Then the shell style which is a back and sides, I have this 
 type… and finally, a shell with leather folding flap that covers the front 
 as well…
 
 I personally did not go

Re: Ever wanted to print to your printer, without an AirPrint printer?

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Keith,

No, your printer if it is either physically using ether net, or wirelessly 
using WiFi connected to your network stays as it is. You do not connect the 
X-Print Server to your printer at all… You only connect a USB printer to the 
X-Print Server, not a network enabled one.

You would connect the single ether net socket on the X-Print Server to your 
router, the iOS device prints to the X-Print Server, which appears to your 
device as the name of your printer. The X-Print Server pushes the print job 
then over the network to the printer itself.

does that make sense?



Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, 
Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com

URL: - www.talknav.com
e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
Phone: - +44  844 999 4199

On 9 Feb 2013, at 23:07, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu wrote:

 Thanks, Neil. Sounds great.
 
 How do you think this situation would set-up?
 
 I have a network associated printer, but it is a wireless connection and the 
 printer is in a different room from my router. I can't get my brain around 
 the set-up, as I understood the Ethernet needs to link to both the router and 
 the printer.
 
 Thanks, Keith
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
 Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 3:05 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Ever wanted to print to your printer, without an AirPrint printer?
 
 Hi All,
 
 I'm sure there are many of you out there who wish you could easily print to 
 your printers direct from your iOS devices, but, you lack an AirPrint printer.
 
 I've been in this position since Apple released AirPrint enabled printers, 
 having a large HP laser office grade printer here, there was no way I was 
 shelling out hundreds of pounds to buy a new printer just for that feature. 
 No matter how much I knew it would be of use etc.
 
 Anyway, I thought I'd share with you all a fantastic little device I bought a 
 month ago now which has solved everything for me.
 
 Its called X-Print Server and comes in two flavours, home and office edition. 
 I bought the Home edition as I only have the one printer here, but, do bear 
 in mind that the home version will do more than one printer.
 
 The device itself is very small, about a third of the size of an iPHone, has 
 a USB slot and an ether net socket on it. Plus a mains socket for providing 
 power.
 
 The beauty of this device is its complete simplicity. Plug in the ether net 
 lead and power if you have a network connected printer, if you only have a 
 USB one, plug in the ether net,, power and USB lead to your printer.
 
 The ether net connects to your switch or internet connection providers hub.
 
 Now this device auto discovers printers on the network, then downloads the 
 latest drivers for them and that's it, once this initial fully automatic 
 operation completes, took about a minute for me, your printer will appear 
 within the print options when you press print on your iOS devices.
 
 This worked a complete charm for me, my HP CM2320 MFP FXI appeared instantly 
 on all my iOS devices and printing works exactly as you'd hope.
 
 A few things to bear in mind, you may wish to assign your network printer a 
 static IP if you are using a network printer, as that will avoid any issues 
 down the road if your printer changes IP for whatever reason.
 
 I cannot rate this product more highly, and its better still folks. The home 
 edition model is US$99, I live in the UK and got my shipping free of charge, 
 how, by using the below promotion code. This code is good for mainland US and 
 Canada so the store states, however, when I was at the check out stage, I 
 typed it in,  free shipping land option appeared, I did not change the pull 
 down to any of the international options, just left it as land US and 
 continued.
 
 Even though at that stage the cart system knew I was in the UK, it did not 
 charge, nor did the company contact me to charge more for shipping. So I got 
 my unit for the equivalent of £54.
 
 The promotion code to use is: TWIT and credit to this code goes to the 
 wonderful TWIT podcast network offering a high quality range of technology 
 related podcasts for all flavours of tech fan.
 
 If you'd like to know more visit: www.xprintserver.com
 
 Hope this helps some of you out there.
 
 Regards.
 
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Neil Barnfather
 
 Talks List Administrator
 Twitter @neilbarnfather
 
 TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
 iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
 accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
 
 URL: - www.talknav.com
 e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
 Phone: - +44  844 999 4199