Re: Question about Bluetooth keyboard

[Robert Wright]

To add to Richard's contribution:
To jump to the top or bottom of a email or text message that you are composing 
press option up or down arrow.
To move by word forward or back option right or left arrow.
To select by word add the shift key  to the previous command.
To select from cursor to the beginning or end. option+shift+up or down arrow

> On Jun 13, 2022, at 8:49 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> You would use the Keyboard commands that match flicking right to get into the 
> body of the message, and then to double tap to turn the message box into an 
> editing field and then the enter key will send it.  If you want to put in a 
> hard return in your message you have to press options+enter because just 
> hitting enter sends it.
> The command to essentially flick right with one finger is 
> control+options+right arrow.
> To double tap is control+options+spacebar.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> Spuddle: a useful verb from the 17th century that means to work feebly and 
> ineffectively, because your mind is elsewhere or you haven't quite woken up 
> yet. To be extremely busy whilst achieving absolutely nothing.
>  
> My web site; https://www.turner42.com/ 
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Rena
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2022 7:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Question about Bluetooth keyboard
>  
> Hello,
>  
> I must send a text message, and I want to use my keyboard keys to go, because 
> Siri makes some mistakes when I tried.
> I opened messages and I was able to type the address, but,
> What command can I use to type the message? I didn’t know what to do to go to 
> the body of the message.
> Also, what command should I use to send it?
>  
> Rena
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RE: Re: Sims cards

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I have the iPad 6gen and it has a physical home button. **If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the learning start? From: 'jan howells' via VIPhoneSent: Friday, February 14, 2020 10:15 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Sims cards What was the last iPad, iPad mini, and iPod Touch that actually had a physical home button that could be touched? I have the iPad mini 4.  Does the iPad mini 5 have a physical hard home button? Do the revised iPod Touches have a physical home button? That really hels jo orient me.  I use Siri a lot, and that is really beneficial for Siri, and for closing apps. Jan -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5e46d5ca.1c69fb81.140e1.95c4SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING%40gmr-mx.google.com. 



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RE: Re: Bose headphones?

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Thanks, I  have always liked Koss. **If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the learning start? From: Kay MalmquistSent: Monday, February 10, 2020 3:08 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Bose headphones? All I can say is just the other day I bought a pair of Koss Portapros that are Bluetooth and they are phenomenal!  I mean no latency at all.  Believe me, I have put them through their paces and I have never seen anything like this.   When there are pauses and speech or music resumes, nothing is lost in that first sound or syllable.  They are a head band type of head phone that goes over the ear but is not a can.  You can still hear what is going on around you.  I wear them when I am using Aira but since I wear hearing aids them, I put them more over the Mics on my behind the ear aids and then I can hear what is going on around me and I can also hear the agent.  I do not wear hearing aids when I wear them just for listening purposes.  Hope this all makes sense. Kay Malmquistkay.malmqu...@gmail.com No matter where you are, no matter how difficult things might appear to be, you are always being moved toward magnificence. Always.Rhonda Byrne- Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 11:16 AMSubject: RE: Bose headphones? Yes, Bose are good, but I question paying $300 or more for a pair of Bluetooth headsets, they are still Bluetooth headsets and until this new Bluetooth technology which I read about a couple of weeks ago makes its debut, Bluetooth just can't touch the sound quality of a wired headsets. Then there is the question of price in general, you can easily spend $2,000 or more for a true audio file quality headset and that’s not even talking about a dedicated headset amplifier to drive your high-end headset. But I guess that is beyond what most people are looking for just as most of my outdoor or hunting customers buy a $300 to $700 pair of binoculars and not the $3,200 pair of Swarovskis.If you really want to make an informed decision, spend an hour or so reading some or all of the information on this website: Audiophile 101: The Beginner Guide to Headphones & Hi-Res Audio Then also take a look at this site which includes many examples of headsets and links to buying them on Amazon, Bose, by the way, usually doesn’t make it onto these types of lists: TOP 30 BEST AUDIOPHILE HEADPHONES FOR 2020 Here are two examples of the very high-end: Sennheiser HD 820 Closed-Back HeadphoneOr this one:Sony Signature Hi-Res Headphone, Black (MDRZ1R)  Have fun,Sieghard -Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Feliciano GodoySent: Monday, February 10, 2020 8:05 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Bose headphones? Hi,Sound is very subjective. I encourage you to go to a store or you can demo different headphones with your music and then you can go from there.  Comfort is also a factor.  FelicianoFor tech tips and updates: LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12vFollow www.twitter.com/theblindman12vFollow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12vthose who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do. -Steve Jobs  > On Feb 10, 2020, at 6:12 AM, Shermeen Khan  wrote:> > Happy Monday all,> > Is anyone using Bose over-the-ear or on-ear headphones? can you > comment on sound quality of music? I'd like to feel as though I'm > right there, conducting the orchestra or starring in the song I'm > listening to, if you know the feeling I'm after. Good bass is a must, > although not too obnoxious (you know when you're in a car, stopped at > a light, and the bass of the car next to you is rattling everything > within a kilometer range? that's not what I'm after).> > And of course, if anyone has other recommendations, that would be > great. Note that I am not looking for anything that goes in the ear > itself.> > Thank you!> > Shermeen> > --> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.> > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.> > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  > mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > The archives for this list can be searched at:> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/> ---> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CAPZC2zrmpYwT8Yh5F_vio2E5UWf%3DnhGdG-HY9cmNakgfQzeAZA%40mail.gmail.com. --The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns 

RE: I Don't appear to be getting messages

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This came through just fine. **character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!         From: Agent086bSent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 2:14 PMTo: viphoneSubject: I Don't appear to be getting messages Hi all, I had to leave the list for a couple of weeks while I was away. I have re-joined but don’t appear to be getting messages. I did ask a question yesterday but have seen nothing. I hate to do this. Please somebody write me directly and let me know if I am on the list?Thanks,Max. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/6E1E4DD8-0418-4CF7-8B16-D76F7A3E7557%40internode.on.net. 



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RE: An off list question re purchasing a smart tv

[Robert Wright]

If you have guests over who are sighted then even with the Apple TV you will still need a physical TV in order for your viewers.   **character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!         From: Jen .Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 7:48 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: An off list question re purchasing a smart tv Hi I am interested in purchasing a smart tv.Is there A particular make or model that would be accessible to someone with no vision or is the Apple Tv a better option.Feel free to email me off list with input.Thanks.Jen -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/YT1PR01MB3403CF50133F3E5D1378A120BE2A0%40YT1PR01MB3403.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM. 



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direct TV app

[Robert Wright]

Have you found this to be at all accessible? **character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!         



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RE: RE: Instant Pot

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The wi-fi feature is accessible. You just need to determine when best to use it. Make a note. If you wish to add or subtract from the preset times of any feature you will need to do this on the control panel. The app only lets you choose between normal, more or less.  **character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!         From: Terri HedgpethSent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 10:23 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Instant Pot Try the one with WIFI. If it is not accessible, return it to the store. Just save all the packaging.Best,Terri Hedgpeth From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of blindfait...@gmail.comSent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 10:01 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Instant Pot   Hello, I know that this subject has been discussed on this list before but with Christmas just a couple of weeks away I would like to purchase an Instant Pot for the house but there are so many models I do not know which one to get. I would like to have one that will work with the Instant Pot app so that my wife and I who are both blind could set the cooking mode from our iPhones. Does anyone know which Instant Pot will work with the app? Thank You, Scott-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/023a01d5af7b%245b1be290%241153a7b0%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/020501d5af7e%2458bbcb20%240a336160%24%40gmail.com. 



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RE: Re: What is the difference between an iPhone hard reboot and powering on and off?

[Robert Wright]

Its interesting that in the old days a hard reboot meant to completely turn off the device, wait for about 30 seconds and then turn it back on. A soft reboot, control+alt+delete meant that it would shut down for a few seconds and immediately turn itself back on.**character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!         From: Anna DresnerSent: Thursday, December 5, 2019 9:42 AMTo: VIPhone Mailing ListSubject: Re: What is the difference between an iPhone hard reboot and powering on and off? Hi alan, This is the only option when the device is frozen and can't be powered down in the normal manner. I believe it resets more options than a simple restart as well, but I don't know the details. Best,Anna  On Dec 5, 2019, at 9:28 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote: Hi List, Many times over my years on this list I've seen instructions to posters about doing a hard reboot of their iPhones to correct an issue. By hard reboot, I mean pressing volume up once, volume down once, and holding in the power button for a number of seconds until the reboot begins. At least that is the reboot process for my iPhone 8. It used to be different for older iPhones. I've never understood how a hard reboot differs from simply powering off and on the iPhone and I'm hoping someone on this list can provide an explanation. Thanks in advance. Alan Lemly -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/007301d5ab80%24ac619ea0%240524dbe0%24%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/9DEABF91-D9BA-4228-8994-0B9624A48A85%40att.net. 



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RE: Niv text version of the Bible wioutout the footnotesandreferences.

[Robert Wright]

You are going to have to learn your find command. When you have a book open 
press space+h for help. You should find directions for using the word 
processor. 

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character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!  
      

From: terri elliott
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 11:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Niv text version of the Bible wioutout the footnotesandreferences.

Hi Doc.  Success!  I had to recopy the Niv Bible again onto the thumb drive.  
This time it copied the whole folder without any error messages coming up.  Now 
all I have to do is to figure out how to find the chapter and verse I want to 
look up.  Take care.

Terri
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On Nov 11, 2019, at 2:32 AM, Robert Wright  wrote:

You can go here and get a plethora of bible resources including various 
translations of the bible for free. 
http://www.optasiaministry.org/
 
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From: terri elliott
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 7:53 AM
To: vi phone
Subject: Re: Niv text version of the Bible wioutout the footnotes andreferences.
 
Hi Robert.  Could you please write me off list regarding the Niv Bible that you 
have.  Thanks.  terrielliot...@gmail.com
 
Terri
 
Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 8, 2019, at 3:48 PM, terri elliott  wrote:
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> Hi.  I am trying to find a text version of the Niv version that does not 
> have the footnotes and references in it.  So far all of the versions that I 
> have found have the footnotes and references right in the middle of the 
> chapter and the verses which is hard to find out where you left off to read 
> the next verses.  Thanks much.
> 
> Terri
 
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RE: I updated spotify and now can't read daly mix descriptions

[Robert Wright]

Do you know of a way to contact Spotify? I wanted to see if they had any type 
of tech support. A friend of mine cannot get  her Miss A to play Spotify and 
she has a paid account. 

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From: Mama Peach
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 11:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I updated spotify and now can't read daly mix descriptions

I tried Spotify the other day and I can not get it to read anything. I did a 
search and can't read any of it. Very disappointing as when I used Spotify 
earlier this year, it worked perfectly for me. I need it for a party that I 
will be having, but I guess I will stick to Amazon Music for the songs that 
I need.

-Original Message- 
From: Shermeen Khan
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 12:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I updated spotify and now can't read daly mix descriptions

Hi again all,

Can anyone else replicate this problem? I am trying to figure out if
this is specific to me, my device, version of IOS, etc.


On 11/5/19, Aedan Something  wrote:
> You’re welcome, in my experience developers need more than polite requests
> from disabled people before they take us seriously. Skip the Dishes has
> refused to change their app framework or label their buttons after many
> attempts. Giving the app makers a low rating and encouraging other people 
> to
> do the same because the developer has broken Apple’s accessibility
> guidelines and therefore is refusing to serve the whole public might do a
> better job of encouraging positive change.
> I hope more developers respect all of us whatever it takes.
> Aedan
>
>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 7:47 AM, Shermeen Khan  wrote:
>>
>> Thank you, Eden. I really hope more people contact spotify, however,
>> as I worry it won't get fixed otherwise.
>>
>>
>> On 11/4/19, Aedan Something  wrote:
>>> Hi Shermeen, that lesson is hard to learn for everyone. If spotify
>>> doesn’t
>>> help a good idea might be to give them a low star rating on the app
>>> store.
>>> Maybe if we treat accessibility issues like the real problems they are
>>> developers will listen to us.
>>> Good luck, Aedan
>>>
 On Nov 2, 2019, at 2:38 PM, Shermeen Khan  wrote:

 Hello again,

 Just a quick update. I contacted Spotify support via their website,
 and the chat feature was remarkably accessible. The person I was
 chatting with offered to escalate the concern to a specialist, and now
 I'm just waiting to hear from someone. I'd urge other VO users who are
 having similar issues with the update to do the same thing, or maybe
 there's a more effective way of getting some movement here.

 Thanks,
 Shermeen


 On 11/2/19, Shermeen Khan  wrote:
> I should have learned my lesson by now: update apps at your won risk.
> I am running IOS 12.something on an iPhone 8, and just updated to the
> latest version of spotify. They indicated "accessibility fixes" as
> part of the update. As the subject line says, in my "made for Shermeen
> K" heading, I can see my daily mixes listed, but it used to say
> something like "daily mix 1: Sela, Andrew Peterson, Audry assad and
> more. Daily mix 2: The Monteberity Singers, choir of kings college,
> and more. and now it's not saying any of those types of descriptions,
> just daily mix 1, daily mix 2, daily mix 3, etc. which doesn't tell me
> anything useful. Is anyone else having this problem?
>
> Thanks very much,
> Shermeen
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RE: Niv text version of the Bible wioutout thefootnotesandreferences.

[Robert Wright]

I am afraid not. Though I was born in Georgia I have only been back there once 
and that was in 2010 in savannah my born in town. It was my first time being 
there since 1958.

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From: 'jan howells' via VIPhone
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 1:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Niv text version of the Bible wioutout thefootnotesandreferences.

Hi Bob,

This is Jan Howells.  Did you attend the Albany Association? I am 
just wondering if you are the same person that I knew there.

Jan Howells

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RE: Niv text version of the Bible wioutout the footnotes andreferences.

[Robert Wright]

You can go here and get a plethora of bible resources including various 
translations of the bible for free. 
http://www.optasiaministry.org/

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From: terri elliott
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 7:53 AM
To: vi phone
Subject: Re: Niv text version of the Bible wioutout the footnotes andreferences.

Hi Robert.  Could you please write me off list regarding the Niv Bible that you 
have.  Thanks.  terrielliot...@gmail.com

Terri

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 8, 2019, at 3:48 PM, terri elliott  wrote:
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> Hi.  I am trying to find a text version of the Niv version that does not 
> have the footnotes and references in it.  So far all of the versions that I 
> have found have the footnotes and references right in the middle of the 
> chapter and the verses which is hard to find out where you left off to read 
> the next verses.  Thanks much.
> 
> Terri

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RE: Speakers On An Xr iPhone Question Please.

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It would have been better if they had duplicated the bottom speaker at the 
top.It would have had a better stereo field.

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From: janet gross
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2019 4:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Speakers On An Xr iPhone Question Please.

Hi Wayne, 
Thank you for this.  I did cover the bottom left speaker, and I still hear 
music from the top speaker, but when I cover the top speaker, I still hear from 
it, so I guess that's ok!  
Janet  

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Wayne Merritt
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2019 4:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Speakers On An Xr iPhone Question Please.

There should be 2 speakers on the XR, one at the bottom of the phone
near the charging port, and one at the top of the phone near the
handset/speaker. I know you know that the one where you hold the phone
near your ear, but this also acts as an external speaker. You can test
it by completely covering the bottom speaker when music or other audio
is playing, and see if you still hear the audio. On my XR the bottom
speaker is more powerful, but I still get quite a bit of sound from
the other speaker when I cover the bottom one.

Hth,
Wayne

On 11/10/19, janet gross  wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> Can someone please tell me just how many speakers there are on an xr phone?
> I know all about the speaker on the front of the phone I hold to my ear to
> listen when I am on the phone, but what I am talking about is the speakers
> on the bottom of the phone between the charging port.
> Thank you all.
> Janet
>
> Peace Be With You.
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RE: Niv text version of the Bible wioutout the footnotes and references.

[Robert Wright]

I have it in html and brl. Would either of these work for you? The html is 
broken into books and chapters where each chapter is a separate html.

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From: terri elliott
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 3:49 PM
To: vi phone
Subject: Niv text version of the Bible wioutout the footnotes and references.

Hi.  I am trying to find a text version of the Niv version that does not have 
the footnotes and references in it.  So far all of the versions that I have 
found have the footnotes and references right in the middle of the chapter and 
the verses which is hard to find out where you left off to read the next 
verses.  Thanks much.

Terri 

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RE: Rename file/folder name in Files app

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The voiceover command is similar to the one you found. The differennce  is that 
with voiceover you double tap and hold then swipe right to rename and DT.

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From: Christina
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 5:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Rename file/folder name in Files app

Hello,

How do I rename a folder or file name in Apple’s File app with Voice Over? I 
googled it and found directions for non VO users. It says to tap on the name of 
the file and then then start typing the new name. That won’t work with VO on. I 
can’t figure out how to do it. I used the actions menu by swiping up  while VO 
focus is on the file, but I didn’t find any options to rename. 

Thanks ahead of time for anyone who helps me out. ☺️ 

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RE: dice world

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I found a bug I don’t think they were aware of.

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From: Mama Peach
Sent: Monday, November 4, 2019 4:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: dice world

Their email address can be found in the help section under frequently asked 
questions. It is
supp...@appa11y.com
 
From: Robert Wright 
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2019 3:59 AM
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Does anyone know how to contact them to give feedback?
 
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dice world

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Does anyone know how to contact them to give feedback?

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RE: Turning off road or options

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I don’t want to make any assumptions where are you going to make these changes?

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From: Chuck Dean
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 9:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Turning off road or options

Hello everybody,
I would like to turn off two things in the rotor, but for some reason I can’t. 
The first thing says

selected Braille Table dimmed
And the second thing says selected language dimmed
I am sure I have something turned on that I shouldn’t, but I don’t know what it 
is. Does anyone know how I can turn these two things off, which I never use, 
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RE: good and bad news about itunes and getting new ring tones on myiPhone 8, please help if possible

[Robert Wright]

Yes, you can delete ringtones on your phone. Just swipe down with 1 finger.and 
dt.

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From: Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 9:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: good and bad news about itunes and getting new ring tones on 
myiPhone 8, please help if possible

I haven't updated to 13 yet.  Can you for sure delete a ring tone in IOS 13?

On 11/1/19, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Are you on iOS 13? I also did not know that this was introduced as a new
> feature, pretty sure this was not possible in iOS 12.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 5:52 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: good and bad news about itunes and getting new ring tones on my
> iPhone 8, please help if possible
>
> I just tried to delete a ringtone and it did not work at all.  I went to
> sounds in settings, hit the button for ringtones, when I got to one I wanted
> to delete, I swiped both up and down, and nothing happened.
> I found no delete button at all.
>
> On 11/1/19, Robin Frost  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Well color me shocked. I learn something new today when on earth did
>> this functionality appear I never knew you could do this.  Oopsey and
>> I just requested it of Apple via their feedback form. Oh well one
>> can’t be held accountable for that which they truly hadn’t known. This
>> is awesome thank you for this.
>> Take good care.
>> Robin
>>
>>
>> From: KliphnShari Miller
>> Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 6:47 PM
>> To: GoogleGroups
>> Subject: Re: good and bad news about itunes and getting new ring tones
>> on my iPhone 8, please help if possible
>>
>> You can delete sounds in the settings screen.  On your IOS device go
>> to settings, sounds, and select a category like ring tone, text
>> alerts, or mail.  Once you do that it will put you in your list of
>> sounds, swipe up or down on the tone you want to delete, and it will
>> delete that sound.
>>
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>>
>>   On Oct 29, 2019, at 10:03 PM, Richard Turner
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>   Is it possible that there were both m4a and m4r files in that
>> collection?
>>
>>   That would explain why some ended up in both music and Tones.
>>   Personally, I wish Apple would give us the ability to delete
>> ringtones in the sounds setting screen.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   Richard
>>   "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch
>> with it."
>>   -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by
>> Jane Wagner
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 29, 2019, at 1:36 PM, Joshua Hendrickson
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I had my local computer tech help me out.  The good news was he
>> deleted the ring tones from my music so I don't have any ring tones
>> in
>> my phone's music.  However, even though he deleted the ringtones from
>> my Itunes, for some weird reason, they still stayed in my phones
>> tones
>> under sounds and hapticks.
>>
>> On 10/29/19, Richard Turner  wrote:
>>
>>   Whenever adding ringtones, make sure the extension is m4r or it
>> will
>>
>>   certainly end up in music instead of tones.
>>
>>   You may have to call Apple back and get help deleting them.
>>
>>   It is less clear now when you do tab into the list of tones
>> which ones are
>>
>>   there and can be deleted or not.
>>
>>   I've got many more ringtones on my phone than show up in the
>> iTunes tones
>>
>>   list.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   Richard
>>
>>   "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in
>> touch with
>>
>>   it."
>>
>>   -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the
>> Universe, by Jane
>>
>>   Wagner
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   On Oct 29, 2019, at 9:46 AM, Joshua Hendrickson
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>   I could get to tones treeview, but not into the list of my
>> tones to
>>
>>   delete them.  I'm using a  windows7 64 bit machine.
>>
>>
>>
>>   On 10/29/19, Robin Frost  wrote:
>>
>>   Hi,
>>
>>   Thanks for clarifying.
>>
>>   Robin
>>
>>
>>
>>   -Original Message-
>>
>>   From: Sieghard Weitzel
>>
>>   Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 11:27 AM
>>
>>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>
>>   Subject: RE: good and bad news about itunes and getting new ring
>> tones on
>>
>> 

RE: need advice

[Robert Wright]

Suzie you should be able to go to pass code settings and uncheck any financial 
items.

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From: Susie Stageberg
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 1:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: need advice

If you go to turn off the passcode, Apple will come up and strongly urge you 
not to do this, predicting all sorts of dire things, and it will tell you that 
all the credit cards you have stored in the phone will be deleted from the 
phone, so if you buy something, you have to put the credit card info in. This 
is for security reasons, but just be aware. You can certainly turn off the 
passcode, and I have been sorely tempted to do just that when it keeps coming 
up and asking for it even though I have touch ID enabled. Anyway, good luck.

Susie



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rob Armstrong
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2019 2:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: need advice

I have not updated to iOS 13, so I don't know if things have changed.

This is based on the last version of iOS 12.

Go to Settings.
Double-tap Touch ID and Passcode.

You have to enter your Passcode before you can continue to see the next screen.
The first heading is "Use touch ID for".
Turn off any of the items that are on.

The next heading is "FINGERPRINTS".
There will be a button like "Finger 1" for each fingerprint you have created.  
You can double-tap the button.  Then you will find a button to delete the 
fingerprint.

On the next page of Touch ID and Passcode settings, you will find entries for:
Turn Passcode off
Require Passcode

Hope this helps.

Rob
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anthony Borg
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 2:55 PM
To: Anthony Borg 
Subject: need advice

Hi list
Can you please tell me if there is a way how to disable the finger ID and the 
number code of the iphone? 
Thanks in advance
Anthony 

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RE: Instant Pot smart wi-fi

[Robert Wright]

If it balks the first time then set it to factory standards:
1. Hold the pressure/wi-fi button for 10 seconds until you hear a long high 
pitched beep (this is the top center left button)
2.   Hold the cancel button until you hear a high pitched beep. (this is the 
bottom center right button) 
3.  Unplug the pressure cooker
4.  Now plug it in.


In the app hit the menu button 
Swipe left then back right to the device button
Input your secret number and name your device
Go to the pressure cooker and hold the pressure/wi-fi button until you hear a 
double beep

Choose add smart Wi-Fi
DT the smart Wi-fi button
It will show you your Wi-fi and ask for the password. (note if you have a dual 
band router then on which ever device you have the app set up on must be set to 
the 2.4 band)
DT “go to Wi-fi”
DT Instant pot if it asks for a password type 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 and join
Return to the instant pot app and it should say “activating pot name
While its activating return to Wi-fi settings to see that it is now focused on 
your 2.4 band
Now when you return to the app it should say “success!”

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From: Penny Reeder
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Instant Pot smart wi-fi

This is good news! Thanks so much for letting us know. Are there any hints you 
can share for connecting to the Wifi? Penny
Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 31, 2019, at 3:38 PM, Robert Wright  wrote:

I finally got mine connected and it has the same features as the smart 
Bluetooth. I have access to all of the buttons on the control panel within the 
instant pot app.
 
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Instant Pot smart wi-fi

[Robert Wright]

I finally got mine connected and it has the same features as the smart 
Bluetooth. I have access to all of the buttons on the control panel within the 
instant pot app.

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RE: Repeating Notifications

[Robert Wright]

I went into notification settings and thought I had turned that feature off. 
Unfortunately I was wrong. Its one thing to hear it during the day and another 
at 2am.
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From: Tom Lange
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 9:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Repeating Notifications

I’m running IOS 13.3 and I’ve noticed that notifications will repeat until 
they’re activated by double-tapping them or dissmissing them. To dismiss them, 
I usually flick down until I hear VO say “Dismiss”, then double-tap and the 
notification disappears. 

Tom l


On Oct 30, 2019, at 8:01 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
 
Since I upgraded to IOS 13.2 I get notifications that repeat every minute.  How 
do I stop this behavior?
 
Andy
 
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RE: After upgrading to 13.2 ...

[Robert Wright]

Settings/sounds and haptech.

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From: Terri Hedgpeth
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 10:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: After upgrading to 13.2 ...

Ok, please someone remind me where to go to turn off all the key clicks, beeps, 
etc. so the rest of the world does not hear when I am accessing my phone.
Best,
Terri Hedgpeth

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 9:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: After upgrading to 13.2 ...

This is a known issue among those who use hearing aids and also were beta 
testers of 13.2. Let’s hope this is something Apple will fix soon.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Earlene 
Hughes
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: After upgrading to 13.2 ...

Hello all,
Thank you Terri for posting your message. I am receiving the same results. 
Voiceover plays in my hearing aids, but, I am not receiving the message sound 
or the email sound on my phone or in my hearing aids. The loss of the message 
sound is definitely a problem. I am going to call Apple. Hopefully Apple will 
create a case for this issue.
-Earlene

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Terri 
Hedgpeth
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 12:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: After upgrading to 13.2 ...

Hello all,
Since I upgraded yesterday to 13.2, Voiceover stills plays through my hearing 
aids, but all the clicks bumps and beeps do not route through them. Those 
sounds are heard by anyone in the room with me, and the sounds are loud. 
Thoughts?
Best,
Terri Hedgpeth
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RE: Where is the setting not to have the iPhone revert to the speakerwhen moved away from my ear?

[Robert Wright]

Settings/general/accessibility/voiceover/audio

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From: Alan Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 3:49 PM
To: 'VIPhone Email List'
Subject: Where is the setting not to have the iPhone revert to the speakerwhen 
moved away from my ear?

Hi List,

I'm having a devil of a time finding the setting to turn off causing the phone 
to send audio through its main speaker when moved away from the ear. When on a 
phone call, my phone keeps switching between the main speaker and the ear 
speaker even though I'm holding it next to my ear causing me to lose a lot of 
the spoken words.

I'm running iOS 13.2 on an iPhone 8.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Alan Lemly
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siri and phone calls

[Robert Wright]

Why is it that I can say hey Siri and ask it to make a call and some times it 
will respond with, “ calling on speaker” but not every time?

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RE: braille edge40 and lock screen

[Robert Wright]

Hurray! It worked!

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From: Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 1:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: braille edge40 and lock screen

Assuming your display is connected, navigate to where it says Press home to 
unlock. 
press spacebar plus dots 3,6 to activate it and you should now be in the edit 
field.
Press space plus dots 2,3,6 until you hear 8 dot input, and enter your pin 
using the lower numbers.
So, 1 is just dot 2, etc.
I just did this with my work phone and the Braille Edge.



Richard
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On Oct 28, 2019, at 12:09 PM, Robert Wright  wrote:
 
How do I enter my pin to unlock my phone with my braille display? I tried 
arrowing to the different numbers and pressing the routing cursor on the number 
but that didn’t work. I tried turning on the terminal clipboard and typing it 
in and that didn’t work either. 
 
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RE: where is Lock screen rotation?

[Robert Wright]

Lock rotation not lock screen rotation is in the control center.

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From: Terri Hedgpeth
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: where is Lock screen rotation?

The v13 update changed the screen rotation locked and I cannot recall where 
that setting is located. Been searching with no luck.
Best,
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braille edge40 and lock screen

[Robert Wright]

How do I enter my pin to unlock my phone with my braille display? I tried 
arrowing to the different numbers and pressing the routing cursor on the number 
but that didn’t work. I tried turning on the terminal clipboard and typing it 
in and that didn’t work either. 

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RE: Braille edge 40 no longer pairs to my phone with Bluetooth. Thishappened before iOS 13

[Robert Wright]

Yes it does require a paring code which is 
I have mine connected and I am running iOS 13.2

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From: Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 9:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille edge 40 no longer pairs to my phone with Bluetooth. 
Thishappened before iOS 13

That is most strange. If there isn't a more info button just after the display 
listing, then I'd check which firmware version you are running on the Braille 
Edge. 
Granted, HIMS is a company who doesn't seem to understand how to update their 
own web site, but you should be running a firmware that starts with 2017. If 
you are still running one that starts with 2016, that could explain things with 
the iOS 13 update.
I'm purely guessing here.
But, press spacebar plus v and see what the firmware is.
I have the latest firmware at work, though they HIMS should be able to get it 
to you if you need it.
Good luck,



Richard
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On Oct 27, 2019, at 8:28 PM, Beth G  wrote:
 
Hello Richard and Wayne,

Richard, thank you for your wonderful instructions. Unfortunately, the grill 
edge is listed, but there is not a more info button. Thus I cannot find a way 
to forget the device. When I do tap on Braille Edge, I get the same message of 
it not being supported. I guess I’ll make a phone call to Apple or him, or 
both, tomorrow.
Again thank you so much for your concise instructions

Thanks,

Beth

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 25, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:
 What I would do is:  
1. Turn off the Braille Edge.
2. In your bluetooth settings if Braille Edge is shown, double tap on more Info 
and forget the device.
3.
Turn off bluetooth on your phone.
4. Restart your phone.
5.
Turn on the Braille Edge and make sure the switch is on bluetooth, and turn the 
phone on and turn bluetooth on in your phone settings.

6. Go to VoiceOver settings, braille, and see if it sees your braille edge, if 
so, double tap it.
Hopefully, it will connect.
I do not recall if it requires a pairing code, but if it does, you need to be 
quick in entering it. I vaguely remember using 
If this doesn't work, then time to call Apple and/or HIMS.
I hope it works.



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On Oct 25, 2019, at 10:19 AM, Beth G  wrote:
Hello all,

Since around some version of iOS 12, with my iPhone 7, my braille edge 40 
states it is no longer supported, or rather my phone states the braille edge is 
no longer supported via Bluetooth. Does anyone know why this might be and how I 
can change it? I’ve tried repairing it several times


Thanks,

Beth

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RE: Bluetooth app for Instant Pot is not working in v13.1.3

[Robert Wright]

Have you called them and reminded them that the Smart cooker app needs to be 
updated as well?

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From: Terri Hedgpeth
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 2:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Bluetooth app for Instant Pot is not working in v13.1.3

Hello all,
I hope someone can help with my issue.
Has anyone else experienced problems with their Instant Pot Bluetooth app in 
the new 13.1.3? Since they quict making the Bluetooth model a couple years ago, 
they may not bother updating the app.
Hope someone has a solution.
Best,
Terri Hedgpeth

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RE: Having a problem with Dice World

[Robert Wright]

Did you check in both places? Dice world settings and your phone notification 
settings?

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From: Maria Reyes
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2019 1:05 PM
To: via VIPhone
Subject: Having a problem with Dice World

Hi. I am not receiving any notifications from Dice World when my apponents take 
their turn. Notifications are enabled and I'm running 13.1.2

want to join my WhatsApp group VIP Apple Users? Email me privately and I will 
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RE: Urgent, yahoo mail?

[Robert Wright]

Something is happening to Yahoo. The moderator of our freecycle list informed 
us that he is being forced to move our list to a different server.

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From: Anna Dresner
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 11:48 AM
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: Re: Urgent, yahoo mail?

Hi,

I think it's very likely to be a hoax. I've been getting similar messages that 
are supposed to be from Yahoo, but when I checked one yesterday, it was sent 
from a non-Yahoo address. I would suggest that your friend log into their 
account on the web, not by following a link in the message but by going to 
yahoo.com or whatever their email address is. they can check on that page to 
see if there's actually a problem.

Best,
Anna



On Oct 18, 2019, at 12:03 PM, Lisa Belville  wrote:

Hi.


It could be the message is coming from her ISP.


My ISP, Frontier, uses Yahoo as their web mail portal.?? About a month ago I 
got the same message from Yahoo, but it also appeared on the main page when I 
tried logging into my account from the Frontier site.?? I also couldn't 
download messages into Frontier because once again frontier uses yahoo 
servers.?? I don't get the technical details, but everything goes through Yahoo 
even if someone doesn't have a Yahoo address.


If it's not coming from her ISP, she could check the Yahoo support page and see 
if it is some kind of Yahoo privacy issue. They've been doing some tweaks since 
they had millions of accounts hacked and had to settle with those customers.


Lisa


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On 10/18/2019 11:48 AM, regina alvarado wrote:

Hi, asking for a friend. She got a message from yahoo that they were changing 
their mail and if she didn't login to Yahoo and change her mail she would be 
suspended. She wants to know if this might be a hoax. If anyone has any info 
about this help is appreciated. She must fix it by tomorrow so it is urgent. 
Thanks.


Reggie Alvarado

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RE: inadvertently created a productivity folder

[Robert Wright]

Normally you touch the status bar. When you know you are there you  you do a 3 
finger swipe up to open the control center. You shouldn’t need to try and hold 
it in place.


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From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 9:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: inadvertently created a productivity folder

8 plus running the most IOS 13.3 I believe. I ended up using both hands to get 
into the control center. The first mistake I made was to hold down a status bar 
item while swiping up with the three fingers on the right hand. After several 
attempts at this I got no where. It was suggested that I touch the status bar 
item and swipe at the same time which required one finger on one hand and the 
other fingers of the other hand but that worked. Unfortunately, at this point, 
using a hardware keyboard to get to the control center is a non starter.
 
From: Robert Wright 
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 06:00
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: inadvertently created a productivity folder
 
Ray, can you tell me which phone you have and which iOS you are running. Also, 
can you give me step by step what you did to open the control center?
 
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From: Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 5:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: inadvertently created a productivity folder
 
Actually, no it doesn't. 
That is different.
If you call Apple Accessibility and they want to do a screen share, they will 
send you a notification that you accept, and then double tap on agree, and now 
they can see your screen and tell you what to do.
HTH,
 
 
 
Richard
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On Oct 15, 2019, at 1:22 PM, 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
 wrote:
 
ah doing a screen share requires me to get into the control center which I can 
not do reliably.
 
From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 15:56
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: inadvertently created a productivity folder
 
You will have to drag files out of the folder until it disappears. 
If there are just two apps in it, dragging one out should do the trick.
You could call Apple Accessibility and do a screen share with them so they 
could direct you through the process if you are not sure how to do that.
 
 
 
Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
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On Oct 15, 2019, at 12:16 PM, 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
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So I still have neither the dexterity nor coordination to get into the control 
center reliably and the hardware keyboard shortcut doesn’t work. While trying 
to get into the control center, I inadvertently created a productivity folder. 
How do I go about removing that?
Ray T. Mahorney
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feedback

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How do you send feedback if you are not running beta?

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RE: Vertical Scroll Bar.

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I am confused. The verticle scroll bar has always been a apart of the rotor if 
you happened to add it. Are you saying that in the beta that its been moved and 
made a main part of the screen?

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From: Anna Dresner
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 5:35 PM
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Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.

Hi Carolyn,

YOu can use it to navigate a page. Flick up or down to move through the page, 
or double-tap and hold, and then slide your finger. It also tells you where you 
are on the page.

Best,
Anna




> On Oct 15, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
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> Why in the world did they put that thing on the phone? Do
> any of you Beta people have any idea? 
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RE: inadvertently created a productivity folder

[Robert Wright]

Ray, can you tell me which phone you have and which iOS you are running. Also, 
can you give me step by step what you did to open the control center?

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From: Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 5:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: inadvertently created a productivity folder

Actually, no it doesn't. 
That is different.
If you call Apple Accessibility and they want to do a screen share, they will 
send you a notification that you accept, and then double tap on agree, and now 
they can see your screen and tell you what to do.
HTH,



Richard
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On Oct 15, 2019, at 1:22 PM, 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
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ah doing a screen share requires me to get into the control center which I can 
not do reliably.
 
From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 15:56
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: inadvertently created a productivity folder
 
You will have to drag files out of the folder until it disappears. 
If there are just two apps in it, dragging one out should do the trick.
You could call Apple Accessibility and do a screen share with them so they 
could direct you through the process if you are not sure how to do that.

 
 
Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
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So I still have neither the dexterity nor coordination to get into the control 
center reliably and the hardware keyboard shortcut doesn’t work. While trying 
to get into the control center, I inadvertently created a productivity folder. 
How do I go about removing that?
Ray T. Mahorney
WA4WGA
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RE: ITunes Backups

[Robert Wright]

Vicki,the main difference between backing up to iTunes and backing up to iCloud 
is that when backing up to iCloud you can set up a new device from any wi-fi. 
Whereas, with iTunes you must be at your PC.

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From: Anna Dresner
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 5:54 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: Re: ITunes Backups

Hi Vicki,

You shouldn't have trouble restoring a backup from an older operating system to 
a newer one. The problem would be if your new device were running an older 
operating system.

I would set up iCloud backups and restore from that. It's simpler, and either 
way, the apps are downloaded from Apple's servers. Just go to Settings, choose 
the Apple ID setting near the top that has your name, and make sure iCloud 
Backup is on. Then a backup will happen automatically every 24 hours or so, 
when your device is on and connected to wi-Fi and power. There's also a Back Up 
Now button you can use to back up the device at any time.

Then when you get your new device, choose to restore from an iCloud backup. It 
will give you the choice of using your most recent backup.

Best,
Anna





On Oct 12, 2019, at 5:48 PM, Vicki W.  wrote:

I have a somewhat detailed question on backing up and restoring a mini IPAD II 
to a Mini IPad 5 and or an older IPhone which cannot be updated beyond IOS 12 
to a newer phone with IOS 13.
 
First of all, what version of ITunes is best to use? I have both Windows 7 and 
10 with JAWS 2019 or 2020 beta.
 
Next, what are the steps for making a backup copy of my mini IPad II or older 
phone?
 
Third, how can I transfer this to the new Mini IPad 5 or newer phone?
 
The problem, I believe, is going to show up in the transfer. I will be trying 
to put a different IOS version from one to the other. I'm not certain which 
version will be on the new Mini IPad 5 or newer phone, but I currently have the 
latest update of 12.4 on the Mini Ipad II and my older phone. 
 
I know that people are having problems transferring the IOS versions with older 
IPhones that cannot be updated to IOS 13 to newer phones with IOS 13. How is 
this problem worked around when you can't update the older IPad or phone, but 
yet cannot transfer unless you have a matching version or the phone you are 
transferring from has a later IOS version.
 
Hope this all makes sense.
 
Thanks.
 
Vicki
 

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RE: groups app - to send messages to multiple recipients

[Robert Wright]

Cher, if you wish to send a text message to multiple persons all you need to do 
is flick over to “add contact”, find your contact’s phone number and double 
tap. You keep adding like this until you have every you wish to have the 
message. 

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From: Cher Bosch
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 12:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: groups app - to send messages to multiple recipients

I have been talking about text messaging- not email. I’m not sure I 
communicated that very well- esp. as you mentioned email in your reply.

Cher



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 12:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: groups app - to send messages to multiple recipients

No, I find iCloud to be utterly frustrating.

ABC Groups is fairly easy to use and while you have to do your Email from 
within the app, it works quite well.

Later,
Richard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cher 
Bosch
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 8:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: groups app - to send messages to multiple recipients

Thanks for the suggestion. I found the Groups app in a search- but, of course, 
accessibility was not mentioned. Have you also tried creating a group in 
iCloud.com as the article suggestioned? Since the iCloud control panel is not 
very friendly, I questioned whether iCloud.com was any better.

Cher



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 6:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroupscom
Subject: Re: groups app - to send messages to multiple recipients

i prefer ABC Groups. For $1.99 you can remove ads.
I use this one all the time for our book club, and a few other groups.
Fully accessible.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/abc-groups-group-contacts/id685048714 



Richard
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On Oct 11, 2019, at 2:53 PM, Cher Bosch  wrote:
 
For further info- here is the page link. The Groups app is below the iCloud 
section- and listed as a heading Level 2:
 
https://www.digitaltrends.com/apple/how-to-make-a-contact-group-on-iphone/
 
Cher 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cher 
Bosch
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 5:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroupscom
Subject: groups app - to send messages to multiple recipients
 
Is anyone using this app and can say whether it is accessible? I have seen it 
recommended as an easy way to create a group which can repeatedly be used to 
send messages to an entire group of recipients.
 
Cher
 
 
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RE: GPS

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Check  out Seeing eye GPS

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From: Steve & Shannon Cook
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 4:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: GPS

Hi All, 

I am looking for a GPS app that list the directions on the screen that I can 
read with VO.  I have tried Apple maps, Google maps, Blind Square and waze with 
no success.  Thanks in advance!

Steve

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RE: Accessible and on the level service for buying lottery ticketsonline?

[Robert Wright]

Here is what I found:

https://www.bettingusa.com/lottery/

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From: Cristobal Muñoz
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 10:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Accessible and on the level service for buying lottery 
ticketsonline?

So going down a rabbit-hole now, I downloaded the California lottery iOS app. 
It seems accessible enough. You can check out all the games state-wide and 
nationally and their results, but there doesn't appear to be any means to 
actually buy a ticket or play any of the games.
Poking around online, there actually appear to be all sorts of sites and 
services to purchase lottery tickets from all kinds of games. There are even 
sites dedicated to ranking the best and most trustworthy companies to play 
with. I mean really, who knew... 
I'll pass along this info to him, but again, as I originally asked, if there's 
anyone who has played or used any of these online services in an accessible 
manner, it would be good to know as well.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 9:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Accessible and on the level service for buying lottery tickets 
online?

Here in Canada you can buy any of the lottery tickets online (Lottomax, 6-49 
etc.) at the website PlayNow.
What I don’t know is whether this website is available in the US and offers you 
lottery tickets from US and local lotteries there.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 9:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Accessible and on the level service for buying lottery tickets 
online?

Interesting question.  I think this may be difficult to find.  When we order 
from our local grocery store using Instacart, we aren't allowed to request that 
they bring lottery tickets as part of the order.  I'm not sure why, but there 
you go.  You would think it should be possible for a third party to do this, 
but I am not aware of a way.

Pam



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of 
Cristobal Muñoz [cristobalm...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 10:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Accessible and on the level service for buying lottery tickets 
online?

I don’t know his exact and particular day to day circumstances other than he’s 
a bachelor, but I guess physically going to pick one up consistently or as 
frequently as he’d like isn’t an option for him.
For those who live in So Cal and are familiar with the area, he lives in San 
Bernardino which isn’t the most welcoming or safest place to be wandering 
around either.
Not to be throwing his business all out there, but his vision loss is 
progressive. I suppose previously he had enough sight to get by, but now… 
Anyway, thought I’d do a friend a solid and ask around.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 10:02 PM
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Subject: RE: Accessible and on the level service for buying lottery tickets 
online?

I assume the fact that he is asking friends or family to buy for him means he 
doesn’t like to or is not able to go out himself? There are a lot of places 
where you can buy a lottery ticket, here in Canada at most drug stores, 
7-Eleven stores etc.

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Cristobal Muñoz
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 1:26 PM
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Subject: Accessible and on the level service for buying lottery tickets online?

Hello list,
So not for me, but rather a friend who is visually impaired. He’s tired of 
asking friends/family to buy him a lottery ticket and being told that it’s out 
of their way or they don’t’ have time etc. I don’t really play so have never 
looked into anything like this, so I told him I’d ask in case anyone plays 
lotto and how they buy their tickets.
I think I’ve heard of online lotto ticket buying services in the past, but 
again, never paid it much mind.
Does anyone on here play? This is for California. I don’t know if he plays the 
state lotto or just powerball or whatever, but I guess to be on the safe side, 
something that covers the national and California  super lotto games. 
Trustworthy, accessible and on the level and all that.
If so, what service do you use? I think he’s got an iPhone so if there’s an iOS 
app that can accomplish the same it would be good to know as well.

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RE: Microwave ovens and iPhone control

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It will be based on how much power you need. Amazon has the Amazon Basic that 
is 700 watts and works with Alexa if you happen to have an amazon echo. It has 
made life more convenient for my wife and myself. I think some other companies 
might have larger models.

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From: Bill Outman
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 1:01 PM
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Subject: Microwave ovens and iPhone control

Hi, list. 
I am about to purchase a new microwave and am wondering if access through my 
iPhone is the best way to go, as most models are touch screen now and don’t 
have speech access, and so would need to be labeled. 
What app would I need and can it be set up easily? 
I have an 8 Plus phone and a 17 inch counter space. 
Bill Outman 


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RE: Dice World

[Robert Wright]

Its there. Switch your rotor to virticle you may find it.

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From: Teresa Christian
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 12:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Dice World

I also noticed after the updates the other day everything looks very different.
There doesn't seem to be a way to check how much gold you have, but I
still get notices that I am receiving gold.
Does anyone know what is going on?
Teresa☺

Dice World Username, SynergyDragon


On 10/8/19, Louise Johnson  wrote:
> I have the eight plus phone. Louise and princess Kiara
> Hi I also having after playing for gold sometimes the app will close. I am
> not updated my phone to 13. I have seen that I not getting bonus gold of 10
> after the update of dice word.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 5:24 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Dice World
>
> Hi All,
>
> Before anyone says let the developer know, I already have. LOL
>
> Using the current version of Dice World on an iPhone XR running version 12.
> Wanted to check to see if anyone else is having the below issues.
>
> After watching a video the app crashes and I have to open the app again.
> The rematch does not show up when you loose a game.
> How do you advance to the next game after watching a video if the app dos
> not crash?
>
> User name Steve6009
>
>
>
> Steve Cook, CPM
> Assistive Technology Consultant
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RE: Accessible guitar tuning app?

[Robert Wright]

I just did a search and talking tuner is still available by HotPaw Productions.
With it you play a string and it will verbally announce the note and whether 
its sharp or flat.

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From: Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 10:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessible guitar tuning app?

There used to be one years ago, but it isn't in the app store any longer.
There are the Bill Brown lessons from NLS that you can download with the BARD 
app.
HTH,


Richard 

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On Oct 3, 2019, at 7:48 PM, Bill Holton  wrote:
Absolutely perfect. Thank you. Picking up the guitar after 25 years away. Any 
recommendations on some accessible apps for instruction?

On Oct 3, 2019, at 5:33 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:


I prefer talking Tuner for 99 cents.
It tells you how sharp or flat you are.
If you did not know, there are 100 cents between notes, so it might say, d is 
11cents flat, etc.


Richard

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On Oct 3, 2019, at 2:27 PM, Bill Holton  wrote:

Does anyone know the good accessible guitar tuning app? Some of the ones I’ve 
downloaded, I can’t even get past the ads.

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RE: Apple pay

[Robert Wright]

That’s just it. I sent someone $100 via apple pay and it shows everything but 
that.

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From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2019 8:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple pay

I assume in the Wallet app where you also see any transactions at stores.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robert 
Wright
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2019 7:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple pay

Where do I look to see moneys I have sent via Apple pay? 

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Apple pay

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Where do I look to see moneys I have sent via Apple pay? 

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RE: problem connecting my iPad mini to my apple account

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You did double check each field that you entered the numbers in to make sure 
that each field has one number?

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From: Donald Raikes
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 1:01 PM
To: viphone
Subject: problem connecting my iPad mini to my apple account

Hi,

I have recently acquired an iPad mini from work, and I want to sign-in
on it to my apple account so I can synch with icloud etc.

When I go to settings and signin to icloud,  I enter my apple id and
opassword, then  I am asked to enter a confirmation code that was sent
to my iPhone.  I got the 6-digit code on my iPhone, but when I enter
the 6 digits on the iPad, there is no ok button or next button to
finish the process, all there is is a "didn't get code" and "cancel"
buttons.

What am I doing wrong?

BTW: this is iPadOS 13.1.2.

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RE: Silence Unknown Callers is great!

[Robert Wright]

It should be in your recent calls.

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From: Shirley Baker
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 9:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Silence Unknown Callers is great!

So if someone calls and you have silence calls turned on, where do you find the 
phone number Of who called? Will it be in the recent calls list or missed calls 
or what will show up if anything? 
Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 29, 2019, at 6:41 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:
 settings, Phone, Silence unknown callers which is toward the bottom of the 
phone settings screen. 

Richard 

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 



On Sep 29, 2019, at 4:10 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
ok, so where is this option?  I haven't gone looking for it.

Cheers,

Jed

On 9/29/19, Keith Bierman  wrote:

"...ut can't as we use delivery services such as Uber Eats, Lyft and
the like that calls need to come through at times and they are not in
our contact list, so darn, we lose, I guess. LOL"

Unless you are getting such calls constantly ... it's not hard to turn on,
and toggle off until you've got dinner (or whatever) and then turn it back
on.



On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 5:45 AM Lisa P. Geibel 
wrote:

Hi,

My husband, Marcus, and I would love to use this feature to avoid Robo
calls, but can't as we use delivery services such as Uber Eats, Lyft and
the like that calls need to come through at times and they are not in
our contact list, so darn, we lose, I guess. LOL

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RE: Bluetooth keyboards was Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[Robert Wright]

I just did. I reported that the shift key did not work while typing messages.

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From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 1:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bluetooth keyboards was Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

I can also confirm this, hopefully everybody is reporting this to WhatsApp as a 
bug.

From: 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone  
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 3:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboards was Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

Hi all 

I’ve just updated to 13.1.1 and am having exactly the same issue with my 
bluetooth keyboard ... the shift key when using Whatsapp is absolutely 
useless!! 

Eleanor 
Sent from my iPhone

On 28 Sep 2019, at 18:59, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
Except in the Whatsapp app, in which if you try Shift+4 for instance it will 
type the number four, instead of the dolar sign; Shift+5 won’t type the percent 
sign etc., but on all other apps, the Bluetooth keyboard works great!
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 28 sep 2019, a la(s) 11:26 a. m., Richard Turner 
 escribió:
 
I’ve started a new thread to focus on the issue now being discussed under the 
iOS 13.1.1 is out thread.
 
I have never known of any Bluetooth keyboard issues.  Did I miss something?
 
The only issues I know of where keyboards are concerned is the third party 
software keyboards like FlickType and MBraille.
Physical external keyboards have worked fine for me through the beta cycle and 
now with iOS 13.1.1.
I have a logictech and I know someone with an Anchor that hasn’t really had any 
issues.
 
 
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RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out

[Robert Wright]

Where are you having a problem with your BT keyboard? I only use a BT keyboard 
when I am at home. I have had one annoying problem and that is when emoticon 
keyboard pops up. I fix that by pressing VO space bar.

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From: Louise Johnson
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 11:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.1 is out

Hi all:

I want to know have they fixed blue tooth key boards. I will not update until I 
know I can entre in edit fields on my Logitech key board.   Louise and princess 
Kiara 


-Original Message-
From: 'Gail Selfridge' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 8:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 13.1.1 is out

I am waiting at least until the developers fix nearby explorer hoping that by 
then Apple will have fixed all the rest of the bugs in iOS 13 point whatever. 
This is ridiculous. Gail Sent from Gail’s iPhone

On Sep 27, 2019, at 11:58 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:

>From Mac Rumors web site;
iOS and iPadOS 13.1.1 are minor update that focuses on bug fixes and 
performance improvements rather than major outward-facing changes. It addresses 
a third-party keyboard vulnerability, for example, which Apple outlined earlier 
this week.
According to Apple's release notes, the iOS 13.1.1 update addresses the 
following bugs:
- Fixes issues that could prevent iPhone restoring from backup
- Addresses an issue that could cause battery to drain more quickly
- Fixes an issue that could impact recognition of Siri requests on iPhone 11, 
iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max- Resolves a problem where Safari search 
suggestions may re-enable after turning them off
- Addresses an issue that could cause Reminders to sync slowly
- Fixes a security issue for third-party keyboard apps There are also separate 
release notes for the iPad, but the update addresses the same issues: 
- Fixes issues that could prevent iPad restoring from backup
- Addresses an issue that could cause battery to drain more quickly
- Resolves a problem where Safari search suggestions may re-enable after 
turning them off
- Addresses an issue that could cause Reminders to sync slowly
- Fixes a security issue for third-party keyboard apps


Richard

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gordon
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IOS 13.1.1 is out

I'm not sure if this does much for us, but you can go get it now. It says bug 
fixes.

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RE: What is Vertical Scroll Bar

[Robert Wright]

Don’t forget that sometimes after updating it is wise to shut your device off 
completely and then turn it back on. 

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From: Wayne Merritt
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 2:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What is Vertical Scroll Bar

I have used it when moving through Contacts in Phone, and in the Land
of Livia game when going through all of my collected gems. I have used
the 3 finger swipe up, but in 13.1, that seems to not work after the
first 3 or 4 times for whatever reason. Think of the vertical scroll
bar as another option for moving around, the same as transit in the
real world. I have several options for getting home from my work; I
can take the bus, a ride share like Uber or Lyft, ask a friend or
family member to pick me up, Paratransit, or I can ask a coworker. I
may do different things depending on the day and the weather. I have
several options. I like having options, and not being confined to one
thing.

Wayne

On 9/27/19, Robert Wright  wrote:
> I specifically use it while playing dice World. It will allow you to go
> through the various categories quickly.
>
> **If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the
> learning start?***
>
> From: Julian
> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 9:46 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: What is Vertical Scroll Bar
>
> Hello,
>
> While I will agree that it would be nice to toggle off things like that if
> one is truly not interested in using them, I think this vertical scroll bar
> is a very good feature to have. Yes, I know you can use the three finger
> swipe up or down to move through list and pages but, this vertical scrollbar
> allows you to move through the page much faster then you can do with the
> three finger flick up or down. I for one like it a lot.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 27, 2019, at 8:33 AM, Shirley Baker 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I agree but since I know where not to touch on the screen, it's ok now
>> but the screen is quite cluttered, in my opinion--more than in the past.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 27, 2019, at 10:18 AM, Ed Worrell  wrote:
>>>
>>> If it were as simple as that I would do that. Swiping to the left from
>>> the text field in messages you are presented with the stupid vertical
>>> scroll option. This seems to make the interface very cluttered. It would
>>> be nice to see an option to hide the vertical slider option.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>>>> On Sep 27, 2019, at 9:08 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And it's an awesome feature, just don't touch the right side of the
>>>> screen if you don't want to use it.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>>> Anna Dresner
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 12:31 PM
>>>> To: VIPhone Mailing List 
>>>> Subject: Re: What is Vertical Scroll Bar
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> The vertical scroll bar goes along the right edge of your device. It
>>>> tells you where you are on the screen, and you can use it to move around
>>>> the screen. If you touch it and flick up, you move 10% of the way up the
>>>> screen. flick down to move down 10%. Or you can move more quickly by
>>>> doing a double-tap and hold, then sliding your finger up or down.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Anna
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 26, 2019, at 2:13 PM, Shirley Baker 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> What is vertical scroll bar and is there a way to keep my phone from
>>>>> reading that and it also says something like square and pencil so can I
>>>>> stop that from reading too?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: What is Vertical Scroll Bar

[Robert Wright]

I specifically use it while playing dice World. It will allow you to go through 
the various categories quickly.

**If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the 
learning start?*** 

From: Julian
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 9:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What is Vertical Scroll Bar

Hello,

While I will agree that it would be nice to toggle off things like that if one 
is truly not interested in using them, I think this vertical scroll bar is a 
very good feature to have. Yes, I know you can use the three finger swipe up or 
down to move through list and pages but, this vertical scrollbar allows you to 
move through the page much faster then you can do with the three finger flick 
up or down. I for one like it a lot.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 27, 2019, at 8:33 AM, Shirley Baker  wrote:
> 
> I agree but since I know where not to touch on the screen, it's ok now but 
> the screen is quite cluttered, in my opinion--more than in the past.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 27, 2019, at 10:18 AM, Ed Worrell  wrote:
>> 
>> If it were as simple as that I would do that. Swiping to the left from the 
>> text field in messages you are presented with the stupid vertical scroll 
>> option. This seems to make the interface very cluttered. It would be nice to 
>> see an option to hide the vertical slider option. 
>> 
>> Ed 
>> 
 On Sep 27, 2019, at 9:08 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> And it's an awesome feature, just don't touch the right side of the screen 
>>> if you don't want to use it.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anna 
>>> Dresner
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 12:31 PM
>>> To: VIPhone Mailing List 
>>> Subject: Re: What is Vertical Scroll Bar
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> The vertical scroll bar goes along the right edge of your device. It tells 
>>> you where you are on the screen, and you can use it to move around the 
>>> screen. If you touch it and flick up, you move 10% of the way up the 
>>> screen. flick down to move down 10%. Or you can move more quickly by doing 
>>> a double-tap and hold, then sliding your finger up or down.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Anna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> On Sep 26, 2019, at 2:13 PM, Shirley Baker  
> wrote:
 
 What is vertical scroll bar and is there a way to keep my phone from 
 reading that and it also says something like square and pencil so can I 
 stop that from reading too?
 
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RE: choosing a Mac, was Re: SMB file sharing

[Robert Wright]

I am looking at audio production and also as a way of monitoring the web sites 
I develop to make sure of accessibility across the board. I also do tech 
support and wish to expand into the Mac world. I was reminded this morning 
about the Mac mini.

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From: Anna Dresner
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 11:55 AM
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: Re: choosing a Mac, was Re: SMB file sharing

Hi,

Your answer to that question will depend on what you use your computer for and 
why you specifically want a Mac.

Best,
Anna




On Sep 26, 2019, at 4:23 AM, Robert Wright  wrote:

What I need help with is letting them know why a Mac over a Windows PC. 
 
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From: Anna Dresner
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 10:15 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: choosing a Mac, was Re: SMB file sharing
 
Hi,
 
I don't know the details of the latest Macs. I would suggest going to an Apple 
store so you can check them out and figure out which one might work for you.
 
Best,
Anna
 
 



On Sep 25, 2019, at 10:25 PM, Robert Wright  wrote:
 
Ann, could you write me off list. I have an opportunity to apply for a grant to 
get a Mac.  I need help in deciding which Mac. Macbook or iMac. I have to write 
a letter of justification.
 
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From: Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 4:53 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: SMB file sharing
 
Hi,
 
Has anyone gotten this to work in Windows? I got it to work with my Mac, and I 
found the IPV4 address for my Windows machine. I don't get any errors when I 
try to connect my iPhone to my windows machine, but I don't see any Windows 
files or folders on my iPhone. I've tried several Google searches and some 
experimenting with no luck, and I confirmed that the iOS 13.1 manual has no 
information about this
 
Thanks for any help,
Anna
 
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I disagree. It is not as accessible as the Smart Bluetooth. This seller stated 
that they have the Smart Bluetooth but they accidently sent the wrong thing.

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From: Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 10:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Instant Pot Bluetooth

The. the Instant Pot Smart WiFi Is what you need. 
 
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On Sep 26, 2019, at 8:32 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
 
The Bluetooth model hasn’t been sold in at least a year or two, you can 
sometimes find used ones on Amazon.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robert 
Wright
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 3:53 PM
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Subject: RE: Instant Pot Bluetooth
 
I learned today that I was sold the wrong Instant Pot. This is the Duo which 
does not have Bluetooth.
 
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From: Yolanda Thompson
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 1:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Instant Pot Bluetooth
 
Yes you hold the adjust button down for three seconds and that puts it in 
pairing mode
Sent from my iPhone
 
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RE: choosing a Mac, was Re: SMB file sharing

[Robert Wright]

What I need help with is letting them know why a Mac over a Windows PC. 

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From: Anna Dresner
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 10:15 PM
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Subject: choosing a Mac, was Re: SMB file sharing

Hi,

I don't know the details of the latest Macs. I would suggest going to an Apple 
store so you can check them out and figure out which one might work for you.

Best,
Anna




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Ann, could you write me off list. I have an opportunity to apply for a grant to 
get a Mac.  I need help in deciding which Mac. Macbook or iMac. I have to write 
a letter of justification.
 
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From: Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 4:53 PM
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Subject: SMB file sharing
 
Hi,
 
Has anyone gotten this to work in Windows? I got it to work with my Mac, and I 
found the IPV4 address for my Windows machine. I don't get any errors when I 
try to connect my iPhone to my windows machine, but I don't see any Windows 
files or folders on my iPhone. I've tried several Google searches and some 
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RE: SMB file sharing

[Robert Wright]

Ann, could you write me off list. I have an opportunity to apply for a grant to 
get a Mac.  I need help in deciding which Mac. Macbook or iMac. I have to write 
a letter of justification.

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From: Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 4:53 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: SMB file sharing

Hi,

Has anyone gotten this to work in Windows? I got it to work with my Mac, and I 
found the IPV4 address for my Windows machine. I don't get any errors when I 
try to connect my iPhone to my windows machine, but I don't see any Windows 
files or folders on my iPhone. I've tried several Google searches and some 
experimenting with no luck, and I confirmed that the iOS 13.1 manual has no 
information about this

Thanks for any help,
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RE: Instant Pot Bluetooth

[Robert Wright]

I learned today that I was sold the wrong Instant Pot. This is the Duo which 
does not have Bluetooth.

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From: Yolanda Thompson
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 1:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Instant Pot Bluetooth

Yes you hold the adjust button down for three seconds and that puts it in 
pairing mode
Sent from my iPhone


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Instant Pot Bluetooth

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Am I suppose to hit a button on the pressure cooker to set up the Bluetooth 
with the app?

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RE: accessible measuring app?

[Robert Wright]

 of setup blocks/bars like these:
15 piece setup bar set
This 15-piece set is one of the most complete and best I have found, I also 
have a couple of smaller 5 or 6 piece ones which you can get in metric or 
imperial and if I know I want to rip a 2 inch strip off something on my table 
saw or I want to set the height on my router bit to half an inch than using the 
appropriate setup bar is way easier than trying to set the table saw fence with 
the click rule.
 
Regards,
Sieghard
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robert 
Wright
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 12:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: accessible measuring app?
 
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From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 1:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: accessible measuring app?
 
Fascinating, hate to think of the possible price.
 
robH.
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From: "Richard Turner" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: accessible measuring app?
 
 
The below came from the Vision Aware site of AFB.
The Click Rule
 
The Click Rule is a metal tubular device slightly longer than 7 1/2 inches. A 
7-inch threaded rod is inserted into the tube. A 
knurled locking knob is screwed into the top of the threaded rod through a long 
slot that has been machined into the tube.
 
[closeup of someone using the Click Rule to measure a board]
 
The Click Rule
 
As the threaded rod is extended into and out of the tube, a clicking sound can 
be heard at 1/16-inch intervals. The threaded rod has 
raised threads every 1/2 inch.
 
The metal tube has two flat rectangular stops or fences mounted on it. One stop 
or fence is located precisely at the open end of the 
tube and the raised thread rod protrudes through it. The other stop or fence is 
positioned exactly six inches along the tube from 
the stop at the open end of the tube.
 
The Click Rule comes with three 12-inch extension rods that screw into the end 
of the Click Rule raised thread rod and into each 
other, enabling accurate measurements at 1/16-inch intervals, from zero to four 
feet. Additional extension rods can enable 
measurements beyond four feet.
 
[The Click Rule with a one-foot extension rod in place]
 
Click Rule with a one-foot extension rod
 
The Click Rule can be purchased from the National Federation of the Blind 
Online 
Store<http://secure.nfb.org/ecommerce/asp/default.asp> and from Community 
Advocates Inc., P.O. Box 83304, Lincoln, NE 68501-3304; 
402-486-3091.
 
 
 
Richard
 
Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
 
 
On Sep 19, 2019, at 4:57 PM, David Andrews  wrote:
 
The NFB used to sell them -- don't know if they still do.
 
Dave
 
At 06:25 PM 9/19/2019, you wrote:
Max,
 
I haven't been able to find anywhere I can purchase a click ruler.
I have a 25ft "braille" steel tape, but it only has markings every 6
inches which is not really accurate enough for my work, and I haven't
found any sources for something more accurate.
 
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RE: accessible measuring app?

[Robert Wright]

Unfortunately, this address is no longer valid.

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From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 1:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: accessible measuring app?

Fascinating, hate to think of the possible price.

robH.
- Original Message - 
From: "Richard Turner" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: accessible measuring app?


The below came from the Vision Aware site of AFB.
The Click Rule

The Click Rule is a metal tubular device slightly longer than 7 1/2 inches. A 
7-inch threaded rod is inserted into the tube. A 
knurled locking knob is screwed into the top of the threaded rod through a long 
slot that has been machined into the tube.

[closeup of someone using the Click Rule to measure a board]

The Click Rule

As the threaded rod is extended into and out of the tube, a clicking sound can 
be heard at 1/16-inch intervals. The threaded rod has 
raised threads every 1/2 inch.

The metal tube has two flat rectangular stops or fences mounted on it. One stop 
or fence is located precisely at the open end of the 
tube and the raised thread rod protrudes through it. The other stop or fence is 
positioned exactly six inches along the tube from 
the stop at the open end of the tube.

The Click Rule comes with three 12-inch extension rods that screw into the end 
of the Click Rule raised thread rod and into each 
other, enabling accurate measurements at 1/16-inch intervals, from zero to four 
feet. Additional extension rods can enable 
measurements beyond four feet.

[The Click Rule with a one-foot extension rod in place]

Click Rule with a one-foot extension rod

The Click Rule can be purchased from the National Federation of the Blind 
Online 
Store and from Community 
Advocates Inc., P.O. Box 83304, Lincoln, NE 68501-3304; 
402-486-3091.



Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.


On Sep 19, 2019, at 4:57 PM, David Andrews  wrote:

The NFB used to sell them -- don't know if they still do.

Dave

At 06:25 PM 9/19/2019, you wrote:
Max,

I haven't been able to find anywhere I can purchase a click ruler.
I have a 25ft "braille" steel tape, but it only has markings every 6
inches which is not really accurate enough for my work, and I haven't
found any sources for something more accurate.

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RE: Huge voiceover bug and flaw in IOS 13

[Robert Wright]

Thanks for the reminder. That change came in iOS13.

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From: Ketan Kothari
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 12:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Huge voiceover bug and flaw in IOS 13

Hi Robert,

Thank you and my problem got resolved.  But for your information
please, accessibility is no longer under "general" but is a setting by
itself.

With best wishes,

Ketan

On 20/09/2019, Robert Wright  wrote:
> Go to settings/general/accessibility/speech
>
> **If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the
> learning start?***
>
> From: Ketan Kothari
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 10:12 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Huge voiceover bug and flaw in IOS 13
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> I at the outset apologize for a slightly long post.  I have an Iphone
> XR.   Despite knowing that there are some bugs in IOS 13 I installed
> it and guess what! What I got was beyond my wildest imagination.
>
> I am in India.  So when the phone restarted the default language was
> English India but voiceover voice was Hindi.  I tried all that I could
> to change the voice but nothing worked except that I could only change
> the voice from Hindi female to Hindi male.   After a lot of attempts I
> reset the phone to factory settings without deleting any contents.
>
> And after that when I go into accessibility voiceover speech and voice
> I get "empty list".
>
> So not only could I not change my voice but none is detected except
> the male voice.
>
> I checked the Iphone storage but nothing seems to have been deleted.
> THen the question is:  where are the voices and why can't I change
> them?  How do I contact APppple?  THe Indian helpline is not to write
> much about.
>
> In Apple support earlier there used to be chat but I could not find
> that today.  Any clue please?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Ketan
>
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RE: accessible measuring app?

[Robert Wright]

Donald, the measure app is accessible. First be sure that you are in a lighted 
area. 2nd Place your back camera 2 – 3 inches above the surface you wish to 
measure. DT the add button.
3rd  move to your stopping point and it will announce your distance.

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From: Albert Ruel
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 10:38 PM
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Subject: Re: accessible measuring app?

The NFB Independence Store sells it.  I called them to order one about two 
months ago.  

Thx, Albert

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 19, 2019, at 4:25 PM, Donald Raikes  wrote:

Max,

I haven't been able to find anywhere I can purchase a click ruler.
I have a 25ft "braille" steel tape, but it only has markings every 6
inches which is not really accurate enough for my work, and I haven't
found any sources for something more accurate.

> On 9/19/19, Agent086b  wrote:
> Hi,
> I am a woodworker and have not found a useful App for your purpose. There is
> a measure App on the iPhone I have never been able to use it reliably. I use
> a Click Rule or a talking tape.
> Max.
> 
>> On 20 Sep 2019, at 2:52 am, Donald Raikes  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I am looking for a n accessible app to enable me to take measurements
>> for some home wood working projects I am interested in doing.
>> 
>> I would rather not shell out $100.00+ for a talking tape measure, so I
>> was wondering if there is an app that will get the job done.
>> 
>> I know there is the measure app and tape measure app but neither seems
>> to be accesible.
>> 
>> Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Donald
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RE: Huge voiceover bug and flaw in IOS 13

[Robert Wright]

Go to settings/general/accessibility/speech

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From: Ketan Kothari
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 10:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Huge voiceover bug and flaw in IOS 13

Dear Friends,

I at the outset apologize for a slightly long post.  I have an Iphone
XR.   Despite knowing that there are some bugs in IOS 13 I installed
it and guess what! What I got was beyond my wildest imagination.

I am in India.  So when the phone restarted the default language was
English India but voiceover voice was Hindi.  I tried all that I could
to change the voice but nothing worked except that I could only change
the voice from Hindi female to Hindi male.   After a lot of attempts I
reset the phone to factory settings without deleting any contents.

And after that when I go into accessibility voiceover speech and voice
I get "empty list".

So not only could I not change my voice but none is detected except
the male voice.

I checked the Iphone storage but nothing seems to have been deleted.
THen the question is:  where are the voices and why can't I change
them?  How do I contact APppple?  THe Indian helpline is not to write
much about.

In Apple support earlier there used to be chat but I could not find
that today.  Any clue please?

Thank you.

Ketan

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RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

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I think I must have accidently hit something because I never get any 
notifications on upgrades. I learn about them from this list.

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From: M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 7:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13

Hello Richard,

This is great info.

Not to put too simple a spin on this but the only way I have found to 
permanently stopped being prompted to update is to simply disagree with the 
terms of service.

Mark

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Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 2:28 PM
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A coworker sent me this.

Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming out and 
lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple voiceover bugs, 
may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather sneaky way of 
overriding your settings to install updates when you don't want them. 
If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to turn 
off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but be aware 
that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's another step you 
will probably need to take. 
You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if you 
want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install now" or 
"later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't want the 
update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. At this point, 
the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact that you have auto 
update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of days after 
you've seen the dialogue come up. 
So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go back 
into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button has 
appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You need to 
double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update automatically. And 
all of this happens even though you've got your auto update set to off. Apple 
sure are keen to get us updating. 
Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by this.
 

Richard 

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I have two questions: 
1. How do you go to a particular cell? I have imported an Excel spread sheet 
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2.  Can I input formulas manually?

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RE: Blind square

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My wife sent it to me. I just don’t understand why it didn’t show even when I 
searched for the word Blind.

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https://apps.apple.com/us/app/blindsquare/id500557255 

Richard 

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On Sep 14, 2019, at 7:17 PM, Robert Wright  wrote:
 
I tried to reload blind Square and could not find it any where.
 
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RE: Netflix

[Robert Wright]

Thanks I found something.

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From: Greg Wocher
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2019 5:38 AM
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Subject: Re: Netflix

Hello,
When you first open the app at the top of the screen there is buttons that say 
movies or TV. Double tap one of these. Once you have there should be a filter 
by, or something like that, at the top of the screen. Double tap on it and one 
of the filters is audio description. You cannot find audio described in the 
search tab anymore.

Greg Wocher



On Sep 13, 2019, at 5:08 PM, Robert Wright  wrote:

I am not finding that.  I see filters and its not there. I DT search and all  I 
find are tabs and kids. No where does it show Audio descriptions
 
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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In the Netflix app you can go to the category that says audio description and 
it will list everything that has audio description. From Mich.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Robert 
Wright
Sent: September 13, 2019 6:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Netflix
 
What is the easiest way to search for described movies?
 
 
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I am not finding that.  I see filters and its not there. I DT search and all  I 
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In the Netflix app you can go to the category that says audio description and 
it will list everything that has audio description. From Mich.

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What is the easiest way to search for described movies?


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RE: Netflix

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I must need to upgrade. When I double tap search the only thing I find are tabs 
and Kids. Nothing about audio description

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From: Mich Verrier
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 6:47 AM
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Subject: RE: Netflix

If you go to serch you will find the catigories. Audio description is the last 
category in the list. From Mich.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marja 
Taylor
Sent: September 13, 2019 8:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Netflix

I just checked the app again. I've got home, search, downloads and more. more 
is just notifications and settings. the app is up to date.

On 9/13/19, Mich Verrier  wrote:
> The catigories are at the boddem of the screen in the app and the 
> audio description category is the last category. From Mich.
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Marja Taylor
> Sent: September 13, 2019 7:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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>
> so where can I find categories in the app? it vanished a long time ago 
> for me and the only way to search for audiodescribed stuff is to type 
> it in the search bar and then you only get like 2 pages. far from all 
> the audiodescribed things they actually have.
>
> On 9/13/19, Mich Verrier  wrote:
>> In the Netflix app you can go to the category that says audio 
>> description and it will list everything that has audio description. 
>> From Mich.
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>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
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RE: smart wifi instant pot

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I saw it when I was searching for the one I have. I did not get it because I 
was concerned about it being discontinued.  After seeing what the Smart cooker 
provides I may just go and get it and send this one back.

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Where on Amazon is this 69 dollar Instant Pot?  I have the Bluetooth model and 
think it works just wonderfully.  In fact, I have the Smart Cooker app on a 
phone that doesn't get updates so it should be safe for a long time.  I'd love 
to by another one of them.
 
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Subject: RE: smart wifi instant pot

Since I just received my Smart wifi yesterday I can tell you that all the app 
does is alert you that you have done something with the cooker. No where is 
there as detailed information as they give in the Smart Cooker app.The 
Bluetooth is available on Amazon for $69. They do alert you that it has been 
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The Wi-Fi model only works with the instant pot recipes  app. The smart cooker 
app is for the Bluetooth model that is no longer sold. For what it’s worth, 
there was an update to the instant pot app yesterday. I have no idea whether 
accessibility was improved though.

On Sep 10, 2019, at 9:02 PM, Robert Wright  wrote:
What do you recommend? I saw the Smart cooker app but it did not find my 
pressure cooker
 
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RE: smart wifi instant pot

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Since I just received my Smart wifi yesterday I can tell you that all the app 
does is alert you that you have done something with the cooker. No where is 
there as detailed information as they give in the Smart Cooker app.The 
Bluetooth is available on Amazon for $69. They do alert you that it has been 
discontinued.

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Subject: Re: smart wifi instant pot

The Wi-Fi model only works with the instant pot recipes  app. The smart cooker 
app is for the Bluetooth model that is no longer sold. For what it’s worth, 
there was an update to the instant pot app yesterday. I have no idea whether 
accessibility was improved though.

On Sep 10, 2019, at 9:02 PM, Robert Wright  wrote:
What do you recommend? I saw the Smart cooker app but it did not find my 
pressure cooker
 
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RE: smart wifi instant pot

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Actually it is still useable. I can feel all of the buttons. I just now need to 
get with Be my eyes so I can more precisely know which is which. I did write 
the developers of the first app and hopefully compelled them to upgrade their 
app.

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From: Joe Orozco
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 11:32 PM
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Am I to understand the Instant Pot cannot really be recommended to
blind users at this time? I understand the Bluetooth model was good,
but if it’s no longer being sold... Thanks for any clarification.

Joe


On 9/11/19, Cristobal Munoz  wrote:
> The Wi-Fi model only works with the instant pot recipes  app. The smart
> cooker app is for the Bluetooth model that is no longer sold. For what it’s
> worth, there was an update to the instant pot app yesterday. I have no idea
> whether accessibility was improved though.
>
>> On Sep 10, 2019, at 9:02 PM, Robert Wright 
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>> What do you recommend? I saw the Smart cooker app but it did not find my
>> pressure cooker
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RE: smart wifi instant pot

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I just learned with someone from Echo support that they still have a lot of 
work to do on that.

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I believe that the smart wifi instant pot can be controlled by Amazon Echo 
devices but I'm not sure to what extent or the requirements to get the skill 
enabled.

Alan Lemly

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 11:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: smart wifi instant pot

The Wi-Fi model only works with the instant pot recipes  app. The smart cooker 
app is for the Bluetooth model that is no longer sold. For what it’s worth, 
there was an update to the instant pot app yesterday. I have no idea whether 
accessibility was improved though.

On Sep 10, 2019, at 9:02 PM, Robert Wright  wrote:
What do you recommend? I saw the Smart cooker app but it did not find my 
pressure cooker
 
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smart wifi instant pot

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What do you recommend? I saw the Smart cooker app but it did not find my 
pressure cooker

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RE: Sorting the Inbox in the Native Mail App

[Robert Wright]

Shift tab to filter and choose name.

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Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2019 9:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Sorting the Inbox in the Native Mail App

Is there a way to make the inbox appear in ascending order, from earliest 
message to latest? I have hunted through settings and such and can’t find it.

Thanks.

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phone call recorder

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Every now and then I am in a phone conference call and it would be helpful to 
be able to record the meeting. Can anyone suggest an app to accomplish this? 

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RE: changing my payment method

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You did not mention your name, address and phone number.

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From: Isaac Hebert
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 9:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: changing my payment method

The prompt is asking for your apple id password.  You need to enter in
your password for your apple id not the apple id email address.  HTH

On 8/23/19, Casey  wrote:
> Hi okay I have to remove my credit card on my iPhone to add A new card.
>
> I go to add payment method and then put in the new card number and all
> of the rest of the stuff it asks for.
>
> Then I hear to cintue put in your apple ID but there is know edit box to
> do that.
>
> So I hit on add new payment method and then enter in the new card number
> and the date it expires and the code on the back and hit done.
>
> Then it says to enter my apple to continue but there is know edit box
> for that.
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RE: Help for a friend iPhone training

[Robert Wright]

Contact the person below:
Matthew G. Vollbrecht
The Tech Juggernaut
814-287-9178
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From: Theresa Ortega
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 8:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Help for a friend iPhone training

yes I would like to know who is providing this training.
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 19, 2019, at 7:09 PM, l.d.ethie...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
I don't know where you are from but here is iPhone training by Hadly school but 
in CNIB web site in Canada:
https://cnib.ca/en/programs-and-services/tech/iphone-training-videos

Lyne

Le 19 août 2019 à 16:38, Holly 
 a écrit :
Susie:

Got this message from  Joseph today.  If you are looking for some free help, he 
is willing to get her started.

"
Hi Holly, yes there was somebody on the list that was offering voiceover 
training. However it is paid. If you can give the individual my information, I 
will give them free assistance with getting started with her iPhone if is all 
they're looking for.


joseph hudson
"

email

jhud7789@twc 
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RE: having some trouble with the voice dream reader app, am notliking it much

[Robert Wright]

Instead of using 7-zip use the native compressor.
1. Highlight the folder you wish to zip
2.  Press the applications key…or shift f10
3.   Press n for sendto
4.  Arrow down to compress and enter


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From: Joshua Hendrickson
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Subject: Re: having some trouble with the voice dream reader app, am notliking 
it much

I used 7zip to create the zip file.  I can add individual mp3 files
for now.  I am just kind of playing with the app.  I haven't really
learned how to use it yet.  I don't know why some of my zipped dropbox
files showed up and the dvs movie one didn't.

On 8/19/19, Dave  wrote:
> no, you can put zipped files in your dropbox, and import them, into VDR.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Julian
> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 7:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: having some trouble with the voice dream reader app, am not
> liking it much
>
> Hi,
>
> I could be wrong, but, I think it might have something to do with the files
>
> you trying to access being in a zipped compressed format. Perhaps if you put
>
> the files into your dropbox uncompressed then you may have better luck
> accessing them.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 18, 2019, at 10:48 PM, Joshua Hendrickson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi to all.  I'm very frustrated with voice dream reader at the moment.
>> I added dropbox in the content portion of voice dream and when I go to
>> the add button it will not see the zip file I created with 3 DVS
>> movies in it.  I got voice dream reader because I wanted to listen to
>> audio books on my phone and no other reason.  If I can't get this to
>> work, I'm deleting the app and I guess I'll be out $15.  When I went
>> to my dropbox app, it saw the zip file I had created just fine.  What
>> is going on?
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RE: having some trouble with the voice dream reader app, am not liking itmuch

[Robert Wright]

Joshua I need to know how you created the zip file. I just created one and it 
plays with no problem. I would suggest using the “compress folder option” found 
under send to in the context menu. 
Then you can copy and paste that zip file in your dropbox.

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From: Joshua Hendrickson
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Subject: having some trouble with the voice dream reader app, am not liking 
itmuch

Hi to all.  I'm very frustrated with voice dream reader at the moment.
I added dropbox in the content portion of voice dream and when I go to
the add button it will not see the zip file I created with 3 DVS
movies in it.  I got voice dream reader because I wanted to listen to
audio books on my phone and no other reason.  If I can't get this to
work, I'm deleting the app and I guess I'll be out $15.  When I went
to my dropbox app, it saw the zip file I had created just fine.  What
is going on?
-- 
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson

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RE: Help for a Friend

[Robert Wright]

Are you saying that she’s someone physically in her presence or will working by 
phone help? I too live in Colorado but I am in the Denver metro area.

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Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2019 12:20 PM
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Subject: RE: Help for a Friend

Richard,

She lives on Colorado, up in the mountains, in a little bitty town.

Susie


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2019 1:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Help for a Friend

What city does your friend live in?



Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Susie 
Stageberg
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2019 10:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Help for a Friend

Afternoon, all you tech whizzes.

I have a friend who is a little bit timid about technology; she’s better at it 
than she thinks she is, but she’s timid, needs one-on-one coaching. She is 
contemplating an iPhone. In fact, she’s got an iPada Air but has never learned 
how to use it.

So  here is my question: is there someone out there who offers one-on-one 
training in using an iPhone? I know, I know: there are lots of resources: 
Hadley, AppleVis, books from NBP. But my friend is going to need her hand held, 
at least in the beginning. She lives too far away for me to do this.

So who’s a trainer out there, and how much money are we  talking about? 

Thanks.

Susie

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RE: An OOTunes Question

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After looking at the help section concerning exporting recording the developer 
states that Apple blocked exporting of radio material. 

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Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2019 3:21 PM
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Hi Tom,

The only way I've ever been able to do it is to connect from the iPHone's phone 
jack to the computer's line-in jack and then use a recording program on the 
computer to record it.

Best,
Anna


> On Aug 18, 2019, at 4:13 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> I have some recordings in OOTunes that I’d like to transfer from my iPhone to 
> a computer.  Is that possible, and if so, can anyone give me step-by-step 
> instructions for how to do that? 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Tom
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RE: selecting and copying

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Control a doesn’t work for you?

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Subject: selecting and copying

Hi list 
Could somebody explain to me how I can select and copying the whole message
in an email that I get from someone else please? 
With thanks in advance 
Anthony 

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RE: How do you8u turn off two factor authentication?

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Yes, once it is on it cannot be removed.


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From: Alex Stone
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How do you8u turn off two factor authentication?

Unfortunately I don’t think you can. I tried to do this a couple of months ago. 
It looks to me like, once its on youre stuck with it.
Sent from my iPhone


On 2 Aug 2019, at 23:21, Cris Ali  wrote:
 
Hello folks,
Does anyone know how to turn off the two factor authentication?  I tried to do 
that from the iPhone settings and I was not able to do that.  I also logged on 
to the AppleId site on my desktop and I could not find any check boxes or drop 
down menus to turn it off.  It shows under security as turned on, but it does 
not give me any choices to turn it off.  Does anyone know how to do that?
 
I appreciate any help.
 
Cheers,
 
Cris
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RE: Test

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Good test


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RE: Voice Dream Reader

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This has only happened to text files longer than 6 minutes.


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From: Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 7:23 AM
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Subject: RE: Voice Dream Reader

Well, the only thing in settings that has a five minute time is the sleep timer.
I have never heard of it being activated automatically.
Is this specific to one document?

I’ve never experienced this and I’ve been using Voice Dream Reader since a very 
early version.

Check the settings under Controls, Reading Mode.

You may need to write Winston directly at supp...@voicedream.com

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Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 3:11 AM
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Subject: Voice Dream Reader

Can anyone tell me why it stops reading every 5 plus minutes? I was having it 
read a document that was 28 minutes long and it kept stopping and I had to hit 
play twice to get it to continue?


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Voice Dream Reader

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Can anyone tell me why it stops reading every 5 plus minutes? I was having it 
read a document that was 28 minutes long and it kept stopping and I had to hit 
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RE: A Facetime question

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Just open facetime on all your devices and make sure you are logged in.


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From: Karen Poulakos
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 5:45 AM
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Thank you!  That was the problem.  Now I have another problem. It tells me that 
Facetime and iCloud must be signed in to the same apple ID to enable calls on 
other devices.  Now I just need to figure out how to fix that.  I used a new 
password when I got my new SE phone.  Guess it’s time to give Apple 
Accessibility a call. (smile)

Karen P 

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Subject: RE: A Facetime question

Go to 
Settings/phone check allow calls on other devices.


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Subject: A Facetime question

Until a couple of months ago, when I received a Facetime call, it would ring
on both my iPad mini and my iPhone.  Since purchasing my SE a couple of
months ago, the phone rings, but not the iPad.  I'd like to receive some of
the facetime calls on my iPad.

Is there a setting on either my new phone or my iPad that I may need to
change?

Thanks.

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RE: A Facetime question

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Go to 
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From: Karen Poulakos
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 8:40 PM
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Subject: A Facetime question

Until a couple of months ago, when I received a Facetime call, it would ring
on both my iPad mini and my iPhone.  Since purchasing my SE a couple of
months ago, the phone rings, but not the iPad.  I'd like to receive some of
the facetime calls on my iPad.

Is there a setting on either my new phone or my iPad that I may need to
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Thanks.

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RE: Face Id, And App Store Question Please.

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I am usually asked to double tap the side button.


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From: janet gross
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 8:21 PM
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Subject: Face Id, And App Store Question Please.

Hi Everyone, 
I have been noticing when I download an app from the app store, rather the app 
is free or not, I still have to enter my password.  I'm wondering why the app 
store doesn't ask or use my face id, as I do have it setup in my face id 
account to use with iTunes-app store, but I don't think the face id is working 
with the app store.  I also noticed when I use Apple Pay at a store, sometimes 
I get the message asking for face Id, but sometimes, I don't get that message.  
Any thoughts? Thank you all in advance. 
Janet 

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RE: Questions regarding voice dream reader, and a new problem.

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No chimes, but sometimes it stops reading when it reaches a colon and a line 
break.


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From: Terri Stimmel
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2019 5:59 AM
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Subject: Questions regarding voice dream reader, and a new problem.

Hello everyone,

Are use voice dream reader all the time, to read audiobooks, and to view other 
files. Eventually, I plan to try to read PDF files, or EPUB files. But I don’t 
know when I might start doing this. Anyway, I have noticed an odd problem with 
Voice Dream reader, in the last few days. I wanted to find out if anyone might 
know what’s causing this. Or if anyone else has experienced it. For instance,  
when I start reading one of my audiobooks, I start getting these chiming sounds 
throughout my reading. The file plays fine. There does not seem to be any other 
problems that I can tell.
However, the chime is usually a single chime, and can be infrequent.  It can 
vary in how often it happens. The chime does change every once in a while. 
Sometimes a double chime will play, almost sounding like a doorbell. 

So I was wondering, is anyone else experiencing anything like this?
Why might this be happening? And what can I do about it?

It’s rather annoying, and if I can stop it from happening I would like to do so.

Any help is very much appreciated.

Thank you,

Terri



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RE: Bluetooth keyboard keystroke request

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There is not a single key command. That is what he was showing you.
VO+m takes you to the status bar
Option+ up arrow  opens notifications 
If you open the status bar and then press option + down arrow it opens control 
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Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard keystroke request

Richard, this is a simple question, but we're not sure what the vo key is. 
Thanks.
 
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Sent: Friday, July 05, 2019 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard keystroke request


Try this: 
VO keys plus m, that puts you in the status bar, then do Option key plus 
up-arrow, which is the same as a three finger flick up.
Richard

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On Jul 5, 2019, at 1:10 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
Is there a keystroke for use on a Bluetooth keyboard to access the Notification 
Center? If there is, I can’t find it.

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RE: Converting an email into a text message

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John it sounds like you are working from a pc. If so then you will need to 
forward yor email to sms.
Below is a list of carriers. 


The list includes US, Canadian and international mobile carriers for worldwide 
texting.

US & Canadian Carriers


3 River Wireless
10digitphonenum...@sms.3rivers.net
ACS Wireless
10digitphonenum...@paging.acswireless.com
Alltel
10digitphonenum...@message.alltel.com
AT
10digitphonenum...@txt.att.net
Bell Canada
10digitphonenum...@txt.bellmobility.ca
Bell Canada
10digitphonenum...@bellmobility.ca
Bell Mobility (Canada)
10digitphonenum...@txt.bell.ca
Bell Mobility
10digitphonenum...@txt.bellmobility.ca
Blue Sky Frog
10digitphonenum...@blueskyfrog.com
Bluegrass Cellular
10digitphonenum...@sms.bluecell.com
Boost Mobile
10digitphonenum...@myboostmobile.com
BPL Mobile
10digitphonenum...@bplmobile.com
Carolina West Wireless
10digit10digitnum...@cwwsms.com
Cellular One
10digitphonenum...@mobile.celloneusa.com
Cellular South
10digitphonenum...@csouth1.com
Centennial Wireless
10digitphonenum...@cwemail.com
CenturyTel
10digitphonenum...@messaging.centurytel.net
Cingular (Now AT)
10digitphonenum...@txt.att.net
Clearnet
10digitphonenum...@msg.clearnet.com
Comcast
10digitphonenum...@comcastpcs.textmsg.com
Corr Wireless Communications
10digitphonenum...@corrwireless.net
Dobson
10digitphonenum...@mobile.dobson.net
Edge Wireless
10digitphonenum...@sms.edgewireless.com
Fido
10digitphonenum...@fido.ca
Golden Telecom
10digitphonenum...@sms.goldentele.com
Helio
10digitphonenum...@messaging.sprintpcs.com
Houston Cellular
10digitphonenum...@text.houstoncellular.net
Idea Cellular
10digitphonenum...@ideacellular.net
Illinois Valley Cellular
10digitphonenum...@ivctext.com
Inland Cellular Telephone
10digitphonenum...@inlandlink.com
MCI
10digitphonenum...@pagemci.com
Metrocall
10digitpagernum...@page.metrocall.com
Metrocall 2-way
10digitpagernum...@my2way.com
Metro PCS
10digitphonenum...@mymetropcs.com
Microcell
10digitphonenum...@fido.ca
Midwest Wireless
10digitphonenum...@clearlydigital.com
Mobilcomm
10digitphonenum...@mobilecomm.net
MTS
10digitphonenum...@text.mtsmobility.com
Nextel
10digitphonenum...@messaging.nextel.com
OnlineBeep
10digitphonenum...@onlinebeep.net
PCS One
10digitphonenum...@pcsone.net
President's Choice
10digitphonenum...@txt.bell.ca
Public Service Cellular
10digitphonenum...@sms.pscel.com
Qwest
10digitphonenum...@qwestmp.com
Rogers AT Wireless
10digitphonenum...@pcs.rogers.com
Rogers Canada
10digitphonenum...@pcs.rogers.com
Satellink
10digitpagernumber.pag...@satellink.net
Southwestern Bell
10digitphonenum...@email.swbw.com
Sprint
10digitphonenum...@messaging.sprintpcs.com
Sumcom
10digitphonenum...@tms.suncom.com
Surewest Communicaitons
10digitphonenum...@mobile.surewest.com
T-Mobile
10digitphonenum...@tmomail.net
Telus
10digitphonenum...@msg.telus.com
Tracfone
10digitphonenum...@txt.att.net
Triton
10digitphonenum...@tms.suncom.com
Unicel
10digitphonenum...@utext.com
US Cellular
10digitphonenum...@email.uscc.net
Solo Mobile
10digitphonenum...@txt.bell.ca
Sprint
10digitphonenum...@messaging.sprintpcs.com
Sumcom
10digitphonenum...@tms.suncom.com
Surewest Communicaitons
10digitphonenum...@mobile.surewest.com
T-Mobile
10digitphonenum...@tmomail.net
Telus
10digitphonenum...@msg.telus.com
Triton
10digitphonenum...@tms.suncom.com
Unicel
10digitphonenum...@utext.com
US Cellular
10digitphonenum...@email.uscc.net
US West
10digitphonenum...@uswestdatamail.com
Verizon
10digitphonenum...@vtext.com
Virgin Mobile
10digitphonenum...@vmobl.com
Virgin Mobile Canada
10digitphonenum...@vmobile.ca
West Central Wireless
10digitphonenum...@sms.wcc.net
Western Wireless
10digitphonenum...@cellularonewest.com

International Carriers


Chennai RPG Cellular
phonenum...@rpgmail.net
Chennai Skycell / Airtel
phonenum...@airtelchennai.com
Comviq
num...@sms.comviq.se
Delhi Aritel
phonenum...@airtelmail.com
Delhi Hutch
phonenum...@delhi.hutch.co.in
DT T-Mobile
phonenum...@t-mobile-sms.de
Dutchtone / Orange-NL
phonenum...@sms.orange.nl
EMT
phonenum...@sms.emt.ee
Escotel
phonenum...@escotelmobile.com
German T-Mobile
num...@t-mobile-sms.de
Goa BPLMobil
phonenum...@bplmobile.com
Golden Telecom
phonenum...@sms.goldentele.com
Gujarat Celforce
phonenum...@celforce.com
JSM Tele-Page
pinnum...@jsmtel.com
Kerala Escotel
phonenum...@escotelmobile.com
Kolkata Airtel
phonenum...@airtelkol.com
Kyivstar
num...@smsmail.lmt.lv
Lauttamus Communication
pagernum...@e-page.net
LMT
phonenum...@smsmail.lmt.lv
Maharashtra BPL Mobile
phonenum...@bplmobile.com
Maharashtra Idea Cellular
phonenum...@ideacellular.net
Manitoba Telecom Systems
phonenum...@text.mtsmobility.com
Meteor
phonenum...@mymeteor.ie
MiWorld
phonenum...@m1.com.sg
Mobileone
phonenum...@m1.com.sg
Mobilfone
phonenum...@page.mobilfone.com
Mobility Bermuda
phonenum...@ml.bm
Mobistar Belgium
phonenum...@mobistar.be
Mobitel Tanzania
phonenum...@sms.co.tz
Mobtel Srbija
phonenum...@mobtel.co.yu
Movistar
num...@correo.movistar.net
Mumbai BPL Mobile
phonenum...@bplmobile.com

RE: I-Drive From Kim Commando?

[Robert Wright]

I just installed iDrive but I am not finding it at all accessible. Once 
installed all NVDA sees is a tab.


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From: Fazil
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 11:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: I-Drive From Kim Commando?

Hi, list.
Somebody gave here the website to back up i-drive from Kim Commando. I, 
inadvertently, deleted that URL, may I have it again, please?
Thanks!

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RE: ring tones

[Robert Wright]

I was finally able to add two tones to iTunes but when I clicked sync it went 
through the motion but the tones did not show on the phone.


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From: Kelly Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: ring tones

I have created more than 100 ringtones and I have three that will not
show up in iTunes after transferring.  I will try importing the MP3
files into GB.  I had more.  I re-saved them as m4r files and a number
of them then transferred to the iPhone.

Kelly





On 6/24/19, Robin Frost  wrote:
> Hi,
> You ask:
> “How can it impact tones you buy from their store, they get added/downloaded
> just like apps with no need to use iTunes.”
> Yes they do but if you wish to then delete one you’re left with the same
> conundrum as some element of the syncing process involving iTunes is broken
> and you can’t just delete a tone from off the phone would that you could
> however. I hope that clarifies.
> Robin
>
>
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 10:08 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: ring tones
>
> How can it impact tones you buy from their store, they get added/downloaded
> just like apps with no need to use iTunes.
>
> Robert, can you send me one of the tones you made, I’d like to try here and
> see if it works.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Sieghard
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robin
> Frost
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 6:25 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: ring tones
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Yes sir I have and not that it’ll matter in the end but I have an open
> ticket with them about it and the reason I got escalated to an open ticket
> with them because I could prove that this isn’t just impacting custom
> ringtones but also ones purchased from their own store as well. Sorry I
> haven’t better news but at least there’s company in the misery. It drives me
> crazy. Not sure why it still works for some but not others.
>
> Robin
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Robert Wright
>
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 7:19 AM
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> Subject: ring tones
>
>
>
> For some reason when I attempt to add new tones to iTunes I hear the sound
> as if they have been added but they are not showing up in the list.These are
> tones that I have  created. They are the correct size and length. An agent
> at Apple accessibilities says that they may no longer be compatible. Has
> anyone else had this problem?
>
>
>
>
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RE: ring tones

[Robert Wright]

I did that and I used control o with the same result. It made the sound like I 
had added it but it was not in the list anywhere.



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From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 9:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: ring tones

Same in Windows, copy the ringtone to the clipboard with Control + C, open 
iTunes with your phone connected, activate the “iPhone” button, go to Tones in 
the sidebar, tab into the list of ringtones and paste using Control + V. It 
will sync instantly and automatically.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anna 
Dresner
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 7:47 AM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: ring tones

Hi,

For the past few months, the only way I know to add ringtones is to:

1. In Finder or Windows Explorer, copy the ringtone to the clipboard.

2. connect your phone to iTunes.

3. Choose iPhone in iTunes.

4. In the iPhone sidebar, choose Tones.

5. Paste in your file.

You can also import a sound file into Garage Band on your phone and save it a 
as a ringtone. This will load it onto your phone and let you use it as a 
ringtone.

HTH,
Anna

On Jun 24, 2019, at 9:08 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

How can it impact tones you buy from their store, they get added/downloaded 
just like apps with no need to use iTunes.
Robert, can you send me one of the tones you made, I’d like to try here and see 
if it works.
 
Regards,
Sieghard
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robin 
Frost
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 6:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: ring tones
 
Hi,
Yes sir I have and not that it’ll matter in the end but I have an open ticket 
with them about it and the reason I got escalated to an open ticket with them 
because I could prove that this isn’t just impacting custom ringtones but also 
ones purchased from their own store as well. Sorry I haven’t better news but at 
least there’s company in the misery. It drives me crazy. Not sure why it still 
works for some but not others.
Robin
 
 
From: Robert Wright
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 7:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: ring tones
 
For some reason when I attempt to add new tones to iTunes I hear the sound as 
if they have been added but they are not showing up in the list.These are tones 
that I have  created. They are the correct size and length. An agent at Apple 
accessibilities says that they may no longer be compatible. Has anyone else had 
this problem?
 

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RE: Any tips on reading Notes in native iOS Notes app?

[Robert Wright]

At this point there is no option to move by paragraph. Remember a 4-finger 
touch near the bottom moves you to the bottom of the screen.


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From: 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 1:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Any tips on reading Notes in native iOS Notes app?

Hi,

IN the native iOS Notes app, it seems I can only read the notes by a read all 
command, or line by line. Other forms of navigation within a note do not seem 
available, such as skip to bottom.

Is this the way it works, or are there ways of enhancing basic navigation 
within Notes, some of which can be moderately long, at least the way I have 
been trying to use the Notes app.

Thanks in advance, Keith.
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ring tones

[Robert Wright]

For some reason when I attempt to add new tones to iTunes I hear the sound as 
if they have been added but they are not showing up in the list.These are tones 
that I have  created. They are the correct size and length. An agent at Apple 
accessibilities says that they may no longer be compatible. Has anyone else had 
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