RE: Sonos latest update.

[chrisjudge1967]

Ok I have a question. How accessible is searching for and playing music? I know 
you need to play music through the app to enjoy Dolby atmos?

Chris Judge






-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Smith
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 3:34 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.

Hi Sieghard. I also was able to check for a firmware update and found that 
there was none. After playing around with the app, I was able to locate most 
everything within the app. I certainly agree that the app needs some big 
accessibility improvements. However, for me, I find it quite useable. I 
originally updated the app on my iPad. Earlier today, I updated the app on my 
iPhone 15 pro Max, running IOS 17.5 RC. You have to swipe quite a bit because 
touching the screen does absolutely nothing. It tells me that true play is off 
no matter how many times I tap to change the option. However, I know that it is 
changing because I can hear the change in the sound from the speaker that is 
playing. Also, My sighted wife says that the icon changes.  I hope Sonos 
address the VoiceOver accessibility issues sooner rather than later. But for 
me, The app is useable.

> On May 8, 2024, at 1:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Larry, I just replied to another message of Richard's, but just in case you 
> didn't see o rread it entirely, it does not appear that this app update comes 
> with a hardware update or requires one. I updated the Sonos app on our iPad 
> last night and then did a manual check for updates in the new Sonos app and I 
> was told that my system was up to date. This app update seems to be all about 
> a new look and user interface and not about new capabilities of the system.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
> Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 1:29 PM
> To: VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.
> 
> Ok. I was just curious. I’m afraid to update the firmware.  
> 
>> On May 7, 2024, at 3:47 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I did not update the firmware, unless it updated itself.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less 
>> than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight 
>> fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." 
>> -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
>> Smith
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 12:03 PM
>> To: VIPhone 
>> Subject: Sonos latest update.
>> 
>> Richard, did you update both Sonos firmware and software? I believe you said 
>> that you did the update using your iPad. But did you also update the 
>> firmware? I ask because after reading your email, I used my iPad to update 
>> the app only. I was able to use the app with no real issues. I don’t know if 
>> things would be different if I updated the firmware. I did not per update 
>> the Sonos app on my iPhone 15 Max.
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RE: Do not update Sonos!

[chrisjudge1967]

Thanks for this. I disabled automatic updates in the app store and set my 
system to not update automatically. This is probably the most disappointing 
accessibility issue I’ve ever faced. I have thousands of dollars invested in 
Sonos. I sure hope they take steps to make it right.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 1:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Do not update Sonos!

 

 

 

The update to Sonos app is a complete sh*t show!

It kind of works with Screen Recognition turned on, but not anywhere as good as 
before.

Without Screen Recognition it is useless.

I had my sighted wife look at it and without Screen Recognition, many things 
that VoiceOver will speak if you swipe to it, is not visible on the screen.

And, as I think Jonathan Mosen had mentioned, double tapping on the Your System 
button does nothing.

And, if my wife touched where it shows Your system button, VoiceOver says 
nothing.  If I then swipe with one finger, it lands on the Your System Button, 
but again, it doesn’t activate.

 

  I will do more exploring with the Screen Recognition on, but unless you want 
a totally frustrating experience, don’t update.  I updated on my iPad Mini 6 
which I seldom use with Sonos.  I won’t be touching the update on my phone.

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

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RE: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

[chrisjudge1967]

That’s great to hear.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2024 12:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

 

A Sonos employee confirmed on the Sonos Community forum that the new update 
will continue to be fully Voiceover accessible.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
David Grossoehme
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 11:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  ; Richard Turner 
mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> >
Subject: Re: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

 

I'm with you here richard and Steve on accessibility of Sonos with the update.

Dave

 

On 4/25/2024 11:14 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

Thanks Sieghard,

This sounds great!  I too hope they maintain their excellent VoiceOver 
accessibility.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com    
  On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2024 7:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

 

For all the Sonos fans who may not be signed up to receive emails from Sonos, I 
just received the below:

 

Faster. Easier. Better - App update available May 7

Get ready for a fresh look, easier control, and new ways to personalize your 
listening experience.

Your questions answered

Is this a new app to download? No, this is an update to the existing Sonos app.

How will this affect my system? We've taken great care to ensure that this 
update only enhances your Sonos experience. Your products, features, and 
services will work as they always have, and all your settings will be saved.

What new features does the update include? We’ll reveal more details when the 
update is available.

 

The email did include a "preview" link, I believe there are some visuals on 
that website which may show some of the new look, but the below information is 
also provided, let's hope Sonos will maintain their excellent track record 
regarding Voiceover accessibility and the new app will be fully accessible as 
the app has been now for around 11 or 12 years. I used to be a beta tester for 
Sonos, but stopped quite a long time ago so I have no personal experience with 
this update yet and will find out what it's like on May 7 as everybody else. 
Here now the info they do provide:

 

Your key to the ultimate listening experience

The Sonos app brings all your content and settings together in one place for 
effortless control.

Better by redesign

The latest update brings a new look and feel to the Sonos app. Get to your 
favourite music faster. Enjoy easier control of your system. And personalize 
your experience.

 

Welcome to your new Home screen

Once you open the app, everything you need is at your fingertips. Quickly jump 
back into recent favourites, browse services, search for content, find 
recommendations, and control your system.

 

Find everything you want faster

Search is always available at the bottom of the Home screen. Just enter the 
artist, genre, album, or song you want, and get a set of combined results from 
all your services.

 

Curate and customize

Save playlists, artists, and stations from any service to Sonos Favourites to 
create the ultimate music library. Add and edit Collections to your Home screen 
for easy access to go-to content.

 

Get a clearer view of your system

Swipe up from the bottom of the Home screen to view and control each speaker 
and group. See what’s playing where. Tap to pause or resume.

 

Help is just around the top-right corner

Discover product tips, feature tutorials, and tips for making the most of your 
Sonos experience in your Message Centre.

 

Complete control

Play different music in different parts of your home, or group Sonos products 
for a truly immersive listening experience. Adjust the volume, change what's 
playing, and seamlessly move sound from one room to the next.

 

Streaming streamlined

The Sonos app connects to all your favourite streaming services for music, 
podcasts, radio, and audiobooks, making it easy to navigate and play all the 
content you love.

 

Services on Sonos

Unlock all the power of Sonos

Access exclusive features like Trueplay™ tuning and Sonos Voice Control. Adjust 
speaker settings to your exact preference. And easily add speakers to your 
system.

 

Access from your computer or tablet

The Sonos web 

RE: Question about iPhone case

[chrisjudge1967]

I’d probably stop working if someone poured Sauerkraut on me too.

 

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 3:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about iPhone case

 

It seems that the phone didn’t have the same opinion because it stopped working.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 2:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Question about iPhone case

 

What's wrong with pooring Sauerkraut on an iPhone? Just wipe it off and you are 
good to go 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 11:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Question about iPhone case

 

Hello,

 

I just bought a new iPhone, SE2022 because my mother poured some sauerkraut on 
hers, so I gave her mine.

I want to have another case like the one I had, but I don’t remember where I 
bought  it. The name of the place was something like t-guide.

 

Rena

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RE: [Tech-VI] It appears Sonos is about to become less useable by screen reader users. The CEO should stop it now, but here’s how to protect your investment if he doesn’t – Mosen At Large

[chrisjudge1967]

I was afraid of this. I sure hope not, I have over $1 invested in Sonos 
gear.

 

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

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Lemly
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 12:45 PM
To: VIPhone Email List 
Subject: Fwd: [Tech-VI] It appears Sonos is about to become less useable by 
screen reader users. The CEO should stop it now, but here’s how to protect your 
investment if he doesn’t – Mosen At Large

 

 

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https://mosen.org/sonos2024/


It appears Sonos is about to become less useable by screen reader users. The 
CEO should stop it now, but here’s how to protect your investment if he doesn’t


  Jonathan Mosen Posted on  
 04/05/2024 Posted in  
 accessibility,  
 commentary 


What is Sonos?


Sonos develop a series of high-quality smart speakers. They are known for their 
ability to stay in sync throughout your home when the speakers are grouped. 
Sonos speakers come in a range of form factors, from portable devices all the 
way to soundbars.

You can send content to all current Sonos speakers via Apple’s AirPlay, and 
some support Bluetooth. But integral to the Sonos experience is its dedicated 
app. It is used to add speakers, configure services, set alarms, modify system 
preferences, search across streaming music services, add frequently used radio 
stations and more.

Because the app is critical to the operation of a Sonos network, those of us 
who are blind and have invested in the ecosystem have done so based on trust. 
We trust that Sonos will act responsibly, and not release an update to their 
app which, at worst, would turn the investment blind people have made into 
unusable paperweights. We rely on Sonos to keep their end of the bargain and 
ensure that their updates adhere to good accessibility practices so their apps 
are accessible with screen readers such as VoiceOver on Mac and iOS, Talkback 
on Android, and various third-party screen readers for Windows.

Unfortunately, it appears that Sonos is about to breach that trust 
significantly, with a new app scheduled for release on 7 May.

This article outlines the problem and why it is such an egregious act of bad 
faith on Sonos’s part. It then discusses how blind people can hopefully protect 
and preserve access to the speakers they have paid for, at least in the short 
term.


Seeking answers from Sonos


In late-April, Sonos announced a complete rewrite of their mobile apps, due for 
release on 7 May. The separate tabs at the bottom of the app will be gone. 
Instead, everything will happen on a single screen the user can organise to 
suit their preferences.

There are certain triggering keywords for those of us who’ve been in the 
accessibility advocacy space. When Sonos talked of the app being “rewritten 
from the ground up” and a “new look and feel”, that prompted questions at best, 
rang alarm bells at worst.

Immediately, the   Living Blindfully email box 
started receiving email from anxious Sonos users, wanting to know whether 
accessibility had been taken into account.

Some years ago, I wrote a book about Sonos which was responsible for some blind 
people getting into the ecosystem. I have beta tested for Sonos on and off. But 
the public announcement was the first time I had heard that work was underway 
on a new app.

My hope was that capable blind people had been involved from the early design 
stages of these new apps, because even if you know a tiny bit about 
accessibility, you will know that it’s far easier to build it into the 
foundation of your app rather than try to retrofit it later. Plus, the latter 
approach usually means accessibility isn’t done for the initial release. That 
has the effect of turning blind people into second class customers. I was 
cautiously optimistic given Sonos’s consistent commitment to accessibility in 
recent years. It is that commitment which has encouraged many blind people to 
embrace the platform.

Hoping for the best but fearing the worst, on 25 April I wrote to Sonos’s CEO, 
Patrick Spence, asking if accessibility had been taken into account when 
designing the new app. I explained the anxiety that was beginning to emerge in 
the blind community given that no mention had been made by Sonos of 
accessibility in any communication on the new app.

I also invited him, or a representative of Sonos, onto Living Blindfully so 

RE: phone purchase advice

[chrisjudge1967]

HI. Regardless of whether you get one of the 14, or 15 models I’d definitely go 
with either the pro or max if you can afford it. From what I understand the 
main differences between the pro and the max are screen size and battery. The 
battery is larger in the max so you will get more time between charges, but the 
screen is also larger which makes the phone bigger. If you have no need for the 
larger screen, if you don’t have sufficient vision to take advantage of it, or 
if you aren’t interested in on-screen Braille input which is easier on the max, 
I see little need to go with a max. Others might have varying opinions.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2024 9:02 AM
To: IPhone 
Subject: phone purchase advice

 

Hi,

 

I am about to purchase a new phone this week and I am debating between the 
IPhone 14 and the 14 plus. Does anyone have any suggestions as far as 
differences with the phones themselves or using Voice Over with either one?

 

Thanks.

 

Vicki

 

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RE: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

[chrisjudge1967]

I always get Leary when I hear about a pending update for the 
Sonos app. So far the accessibility has been great, but I have well over $1 
invested in Sonos gear and I can’t help but get a bit nervous wondering if some 
major accessibility issue will come up and turn my speakers in to paper 
weights. Having said all that, I’m excited for the update and just hope Sonos 
don’t brake something major.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2024 11:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

 

For all the Sonos fans who may not be signed up to receive emails from Sonos, I 
just received the below:

 

Faster. Easier. Better - App update available May 7

Get ready for a fresh look, easier control, and new ways to personalize your 
listening experience.

Your questions answered

Is this a new app to download? No, this is an update to the existing Sonos app.

How will this affect my system? We've taken great care to ensure that this 
update only enhances your Sonos experience. Your products, features, and 
services will work as they always have, and all your settings will be saved.

What new features does the update include? We’ll reveal more details when the 
update is available.

 

The email did include a "preview" link, I believe there are some visuals on 
that website which may show some of the new look, but the below information is 
also provided, let's hope Sonos will maintain their excellent track record 
regarding Voiceover accessibility and the new app will be fully accessible as 
the app has been now for around 11 or 12 years. I used to be a beta tester for 
Sonos, but stopped quite a long time ago so I have no personal experience with 
this update yet and will find out what it's like on May 7 as everybody else. 
Here now the info they do provide:

 

Your key to the ultimate listening experience

The Sonos app brings all your content and settings together in one place for 
effortless control.

Better by redesign

The latest update brings a new look and feel to the Sonos app. Get to your 
favourite music faster. Enjoy easier control of your system. And personalize 
your experience.

 

Welcome to your new Home screen

Once you open the app, everything you need is at your fingertips. Quickly jump 
back into recent favourites, browse services, search for content, find 
recommendations, and control your system.

 

Find everything you want faster

Search is always available at the bottom of the Home screen. Just enter the 
artist, genre, album, or song you want, and get a set of combined results from 
all your services.

 

Curate and customize

Save playlists, artists, and stations from any service to Sonos Favourites to 
create the ultimate music library. Add and edit Collections to your Home screen 
for easy access to go-to content.

 

Get a clearer view of your system

Swipe up from the bottom of the Home screen to view and control each speaker 
and group. See what’s playing where. Tap to pause or resume.

 

Help is just around the top-right corner

Discover product tips, feature tutorials, and tips for making the most of your 
Sonos experience in your Message Centre.

 

Complete control

Play different music in different parts of your home, or group Sonos products 
for a truly immersive listening experience. Adjust the volume, change what's 
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RE: From the Nerd Breakthrough: Response from the Voice Dream Team

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Now that to me really sounded like a sincere, heart felt response. Lol.

 

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The Nerd Breakthrough! - Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 8:35 PM


Response from the Voice Dream Team


Since sending my thoughts via email to Voice Dream on 4/2/24, I wasn’t 
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was heartening:

“Hi Rachel,

Thank you for reaching out to us and for being a loyal user. We are grateful 
for all your feedback and will certainly take it into consideration.

Best,

Voice Dream Support”

Further to Voice Dream’s effort to communicate with their customers, they have 
created a groups.io email list, that is, apparently, monitored by their 
developers. You can find out more, and subscribe

Here  

The fact many are making their voices heard, and Voice Dream seems to be taking 
notice, and creating more channels for their customers is a good thing. Let’s 
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https://nerdbreakthrough.com/response-from-the-voice-dream-team/

 

 

 

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RE: Accessible doorbell systems

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Hi. Yes, to talk back in forth you would either use the app on your phone or 
set up your amazon alexa devices. Using the alexa device is easier in my 
experience because when your door bell rings you can just ask any of your alexa 
devices to answer the door. With the app I think you need to open it and find 
the button on screen which could be more time consuming. If I have any of this 
wrong someone please correct me.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
djrisav...@att.net
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2024 4:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Accessible doorbell systems

 

Yes and don’t think would need the extra doorbell chime since live in a one 
story condo that has three of the amazon Alexa devices throughout my place.

I’m sure can get someone like my Dad who is an electrical engineer to wire the 
doorbell up or someone from the condo association or hire someone to do it.

So excuse me if this has already been answered from others; but, take it  that 
can talk back and forth through the system when someone rings the doorbell?

Thanks.

 

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Mario Eiland
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2024 7:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Accessible doorbell systems

 

The doorbell has to be installed outside like your standard doorbell. I had 
someone sighted do that for me. Actually, I had a professional do it for me. I 
think that’s all you would need, accept I went further by purchasing a wireless 
chime that was place upstairs so if the doorbell was rang then it could be 
heard in every echo in the house plus your smart phone.

It’s been several years ago since I bought the equipment.

Ring Chime Pro - $44.99

Ring Video Doorbell 2 - $134.99

Installation was $58.49.

Just remember this was 3 years ago.

 

Hope that helps.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
djrisav...@att.net  
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2024 9:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Accessible doorbell systems

 

Yes that’s what was looking for and asfter when asking.

So how do they come and are they wired or wireless?

I have the Alexa devices from amazon plus my iPhone and google home too.

Are they expensive?

Thanks.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Mario Eiland
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2024 9:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Accessible doorbell systems

 

Hi Don,

 

When asking about accessible doorbells, what do you mean by accessible? How 
accessible would you like it to be?

I also use the Ring doorbell and I have it integrated with everybody’s  iPhone 
who lives in the house plus our Echo devices. Any time anyone nears our house 
porch we receive announcements that it detected motion. If someone rings the 
doorbell we have the option to either pick it up via the Ring app on our 
iPhones or the Alexa by simply asking Alexa to answer doorbell. For those who 
can see can activate the camera on their phones and see who is at the door. 
Unfortunately, it doesn’t identify the person for me yet. I’m hoping that’s 
near in the future with the advancement of AI. But for now I love it since we 
are notified any time we have a package dropped off and if anyone is home then 
we can immediately retrieve it.

I’m not sure how it integrates with the Google Home, but with the Echo devices 
you can download, what they call a Skill with the Alexa app and as long as you 
have a Ring account establish then you can sign into the Ring Skill and 
integrate it with your Echo. It’s pretty awesome!

Hope that helps some!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Esther Levegnale
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2024 6:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Accessible doorbell systems

 

I believe ring doorbell is a good one. Anyway, good luck. Esther.

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

 

On Mar 10, 2024, at 6:25 AM, djrisav...@att.net   
wrote:



Hello all,

I was wondering what anyone suggest or recommend as the most accessible and 
also affordable doorbell system is for a single widower person living in a 
small size condo that can be accessed with various devices like iPhones, google 
home or Alexa and how easy are they to set up?

Thanks.

Don

 

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RE: Accessible doorbell systems

[chrisjudge1967]

Let’s not confuse the door bell itself with the door bell button. The door bell 
button, which is usually screwed to the side of the house needs to be removed. 
The existing wiring will power the ring. Mine also came with a little square 
box that had to be wired in to the door bell itself. I was able to complete 
this process with the aid of an ira agent.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mario 
Eiland
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2024 8:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Accessible doorbell systems

 

The Ring doorbell replaces the old one. So it’s powered like the original.

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Peter Tesar
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2024 4:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Accessible doorbell systems

 

How is the outside door bell unit powered?

I assume it is attached to the wall. 

does a hole need to be drilled through the wall to connect to the household 
wiring?

 

Thanks, 

Peter T. 

 

On 2024-03-11 7:51 AM, Mario Eiland wrote:

The doorbell has to be installed outside like your standard doorbell. I had 
someone sighted do that for me. Actually, I had a professional do it for me. I 
think that’s all you would need, accept I went further by purchasing a wireless 
chime that was place upstairs so if the doorbell was rang then it could be 
heard in every echo in the house plus your smart phone.

It’s been several years ago since I bought the equipment.

Ring Chime Pro - $44.99

Ring Video Doorbell 2 - $134.99

Installation was $58.49.

Just remember this was 3 years ago.

 

Hope that helps.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com    
  On Behalf Of 
djrisav...@att.net  
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2024 9:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Accessible doorbell systems

 

Yes that’s what was looking for and asfter when asking.

So how do they come and are they wired or wireless?

I have the Alexa devices from amazon plus my iPhone and google home too.

Are they expensive?

Thanks.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Mario Eiland
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2024 9:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Accessible doorbell systems

 

Hi Don,

 

When asking about accessible doorbells, what do you mean by accessible? How 
accessible would you like it to be?

I also use the Ring doorbell and I have it integrated with everybody’s  iPhone 
who lives in the house plus our Echo devices. Any time anyone nears our house 
porch we receive announcements that it detected motion. If someone rings the 
doorbell we have the option to either pick it up via the Ring app on our 
iPhones or the Alexa by simply asking Alexa to answer doorbell. For those who 
can see can activate the camera on their phones and see who is at the door. 
Unfortunately, it doesn’t identify the person for me yet. I’m hoping that’s 
near in the future with the advancement of AI. But for now I love it since we 
are notified any time we have a package dropped off and if anyone is home then 
we can immediately retrieve it.

I’m not sure how it integrates with the Google Home, but with the Echo devices 
you can download, what they call a Skill with the Alexa app and as long as you 
have a Ring account establish then you can sign into the Ring Skill and 
integrate it with your Echo. It’s pretty awesome!

Hope that helps some!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Esther Levegnale
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2024 6:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Accessible doorbell systems

 

I believe ring doorbell is a good one. Anyway, good luck. Esther.

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

 

On Mar 10, 2024, at 6:25 AM, djrisav...@att.net   
wrote:



Hello all,

I was wondering what anyone suggest or recommend as the most accessible and 
also affordable doorbell system is for a single widower person living in a 
small size condo that can be accessed with various devices like iPhones, google 
home or Alexa and how easy are they to set up?

Thanks.

Don

 

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RE: Apps and Widgets

[chrisjudge1967]

The only widget I use is the battery one. It gives me the current battery level 
of my watch, phone and whatever head set I’m using.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of William 
Outman
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2024 6:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apps and Widgets

 

To each his own, I suppose. As a total I prefer not to mess with widgets, 
because they can become confusing for me. I had been having trouble discerning 
whether I was in the widget or the actual app, both on the 8 Pluse I used to 
have and the 15 Pro I have now. 

The Weather app was a particularly bad situation, because I could not tell that 
what I thought was a set of focus issues was actually being in the widget. 
Apple Accessibility could not tell me that was the problem; I had to discover 
it accidentally. So I deleted the widgets I unknowingly had, and things got 
considerably better. 

Bill Outman 

 

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As a side note, apparently, you can also have widgets added to your Mac 
desktop from you iPhone. I have not experimented with this, but I read an 
article talking about it.

 


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On Mar 7, 2024, at 6:39 PM, Mario Eiland mailto:eila...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

HI Jim,

If I remember correctly widgets were an option we could have on or turned off 
when we first set up our iPhones. If that’s something you want back such as the 
weather widget, then try the following.

Double tap twice and hold on the second tap and you will hear couple of tones 
and VoiceOver will announce “start Editing.” Scroll to the top and you will 
find an option to add a widget. Double tap on that and you will see a list of 
widgets you can add and one of those is the weather widget. That should give 
you a good start.

 

From:   viphone@googlegroups.com < 
 viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of  
 portillo@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2024 2:31 PM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apps and Widgets

 

Good afternoon,

I have an inquiry, so please bear with me, because I’m uncertain about some 
things.

When I received a new work iPhone, one thing I noticed was that when I’d put my 
finger on the Weather app, it would not just say “Weather”, but it would also 
give me the location and other information, such as temperatures and whether or 
not rain was expected. My own personal phone doesn’t do that when I touch the 
weather app. I have to go into it and then read about my location and 
temperature and such. Much more swiping.

I’d love to be able to have my weather app speak those things on my personal 
iPhone as well.

It’s the same with the calendar app on my work iPhone. I’ll touch it, and it 
will give me the date, and then I swipe to the right, and it lets me know if I 
have any appointments or events. 

I’ve looked at things like settings in both apps, which really didn’t do me 
much good. Then, someone asked if I had widgets on my screen for these apps, 
and I had no idea what that meant. So, I thought I’d ask.

1.  What’s a widget?
2.  How can I make the weather app or widget speak my location’s 
temperature and relevant information by just simply touching it without 
actually getting into it?
3.  How can I get my calendar to automatically let me know if I have any 
appointments or events without always getting into it? 

If these things are being done on my Work iPhone, which is a 12, I would 
imagine they can be done on a 15 Pro.

Thanks for any information.

I’m also going to see if there are any AppleVis tutorials on whatever widgets 
are. 

Jim

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RE: Med Minders

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I subscribe to pill reminder. I think it’s about 2 dollars a month, that’s 
Canadian. It does everything, tells you when to take it, how much, etc.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sandra 
Finley
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2024 4:41 PM
To: iPhone List 
Subject: Med Minders

 

Hello. I am in need of a way to remind myself that it is time to take meds.   I 
am taking them five times each day and, since the amounts vary, I need it to 
remind me of not only when to take them, but also what. Can anyone on this list 
recommend am app for this? I have not yet ruled out the iOs reminder app or the 
alarm, but I am interested in looking at all of my options.  T Thank you.

 

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RE: Calls disconnecting, when I barely touch the screen of my iPhone.

[chrisjudge1967]

Hi. Ok thanks I just did this. Let's see if it works.


Chris Judge






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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 6:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Calls disconnecting, when I barely touch the screen of my iPhone.

So, Chris, try going to 

Settings
Accessibilities
Touch
Phone. The flick to Prevent Lock, and if it is off, turn it on. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 4:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Calls disconnecting, when I barely touch the screen of my iPhone.

Interesting. I received my new iPhone 15 pro on Friday. This has happened to me 
several times since I got it. Just keeping an eye on it for the next couple of 
weeks and if it seems like an issue I'll be taking it back to Apple.

Chris Judge






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Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 1:21 PM
To: viPhone 
Subject: Calls disconnecting, when I barely touch the screen of my iPhone.

Calls sometimes disconect, when I touch, even the edge of my iPhone. What can I 
do to put a stop to that, please? 


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RE: Calls disconnecting, when I barely touch the screen of my iPhone.

[chrisjudge1967]

With my new 15 pro I’ve lost a couple of calls by simply putting the phone down 
on a hard surface.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of joseph 
hudson
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 1:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Calls disconnecting, when I barely touch the screen of my iPhone.

 

Well, I would just make sure, that you're not focused on the end call button.

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On Feb 27, 2024, at 11:21 AM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com 
 > wrote:

 

Calls sometimes disconect, when I touch, even the edge of my
iPhone. What can I do to put a stop to that, please? 


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RE: Calls disconnecting, when I barely touch the screen of my iPhone.

[chrisjudge1967]

Interesting. I received my new iPhone 15 pro on Friday. This has happened to me 
several times since I got it. Just keeping an eye on it for the next couple of 
weeks and if it seems like an issue I'll be taking it back to Apple.

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Subject: Calls disconnecting, when I barely touch the screen of my iPhone.

Calls sometimes disconect, when I touch, even the edge of my iPhone. What can I 
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RE: Accessibility of Authenticator Apps

[chrisjudge1967]

We use the Microsoft authenticator app at work. It’s accessible but the trouble 
is you only get so much time to authenticate. Periodically when logging in to 
our work accounts we’ll be presented with a two digit code that we need to type 
in to the app. The PC cursor doesn’t always read this code so turning on the 
jaws cursor is necessary. I’ve gotten to the point where I can get it most of 
the time but it took practice.

 

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
paekstr...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 7:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Accessibility of Authenticator Apps

 

We are using a website that allows us to enable two-factor authentication by 
using either the Microsoft Authenticator app, the Google Authenticator app, or 
the Authy app.

 

Does anyone have any experience with the above iPhone apps as far as 
accessibility?

 

Thanks,

Pam

 

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RE: no on-screen keyboard

[chrisjudge1967]

That happened to me just yesterday. Not sure what I did but it eventually 
sorted itself out.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Candy 
Lowe
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2024 11:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: no on-screen keyboard

 

I am also having this problem.  I went so far as to have my phone forget all of 
my bluetooth devices and the problem still persued.  Then it was time to 
download IOS 17.3.  Then the problem corrected itself.  I am typing this email 
on a bluetooth keyboard, so I’m not sure what will happen when I turn the 
keyboard off.  This certainly is a miserable bug.   

Sent from my iPhone 15 Pro Max  

 





On Jan 24, 2024, at 3:03 PM, Robert Doc Wright mailto:yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

she is only using the iPhone itself.but no keyboard when she double taps any 
edit field.

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 7:23 AM

Subject: Re: no on-screen keyboard

 

There seems to be a problem when you connect a Bluetooth braille display or 
keyboard to the iPhone. After you turn off the device and want to use the on 
screen, keyboard, it doesn’t show up. I do not have a fix for it, but I sure 
would like to know how to fix it. 

Sent from my iPhone





On Jan 24, 2024, at 9:16 AM, Robert Doc Wright mailto:yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I have a friend who has the SE2022 but the keyboard does not appear when she 
double taps any edit field.

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RE: Rotor action default in iOS 17.3 beta

[chrisjudge1967]

Hi. It’s not doing that for me, it’s working as it always did.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2024 5:17 PM
To: ViPone list 
Subject: Rotor action default in iOS 17.3 beta

 

This is likely the same in iOS 17.2... but has anyone else been bothered by 
the fact that the rotor, especially in the mail app, instead of defaulting to 
Actions, it defaults to headings? I find each time I open the mail app, and 
land on a message or thread, I have to change the rotor to actions in order to 
flick up to delete the message or thread.

 

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RE: Comparison between Envision AI and Be My Eyes AI descriptions

[chrisjudge1967]

Hi. It sounds like you are on the screen where you have to either register as a 
blind user or sighted volunteer. Choose the first option and either create a 
free account or sign in with a service such as apple or google. Once you have 
completed the sign up process you should be taken to the main screen.

Chris Judge






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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Comparison between Envision AI and Be My Eyes AI descriptions

Hello Richard and Everyone,

I was going to start a new thread but decided to ask my questions here:

After hearing so many wonderful comments regarding Be My Eyes, along with the 
description you just posted about how the app can describe something without 
human intervention, I decided to download it and give it a try.

Did I miss something?  When I launch the app, I only see, no pun intended, 2 
options (1), I need visual assistance, call company or volunteer and (2), I’d 
like to volunteer, share your sight.

I was hoping to use the app’s AI image description, only, at this point.

How does one activate that feature?

The app store indicates that there are in-app purchases but, even after 
exploring the website, I cannot determine what the various fees are for and how 
they work. For example, in the app store there seems to be a purchase for 
$19.95.  What does this particular fee cover?

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 12:48 PM
To: ViPone list 
Subject: Comparison between Envision AI and Be My Eyes AI descriptions

I just updated Envision AI and it mentioned something about improved 
descriptions. 
I took a picture and it said, "I'm not sure but it could be a room with a tv on 
a table." 
I did the same scene with Be My Eyes AI and got the following. 

The picture shows a living room with a cozy and homely atmosphere. On the left, 
there is a wooden rocking chair with a black jacket draped over it. In the 
center, a flat-screen TV is placed on a wooden stand, and beneath the stand, 
there appears to be a cable box or DVD player. To the right of the TV, there's 
a lamp with a classic design on a small table. Behind the TV, a window with 
white curtains allows natural light to enter the room. On the right side of the 
image, a decorated Christmas tree is partially visible, suggesting the photo 
was taken during the holiday season. The walls are painted in a light color, 
and there is a large, framed artwork of a Christmas tree above the rocking 
chair. The floor is wooden, and in the foreground, a corner of a quilt with a 
patchwork design can be seen, indicating the viewer might be sitting on a couch 
or bed covered with this quilt.

Image description provided with Be My Eyes.


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RE: Thoughts on Air tags?

[chrisjudge1967]

Hi. I have air tags on my suit case, both my back packs, my keys, my wallet and 
my three cats. They’re easy to set up. I haven’t yet actually lost something 
and had to find it using the tag but I have played with them and they work 
great. If you have one of the phones with lidar you can get practically on top 
of the item.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
portillo@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2023 9:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Thoughts on Air tags?

 

Greetings,

I’ve never used or worked with Apple Air Tags before, but I was thinking of 
getting a few, as I’m traveling and thought it would be great to put on my 
luggage and such. First, is this a good use for them? Second, for those who 
have used them, are they worth while and easy to use?

Thanks much.

Jim

 

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RE: Logitech Keyboard and Apple TV 4th Generation

[chrisjudge1967]

I did on my older apple Tv. The one in the bedroom is the newer generation and 
I will check that one out tomorrow.

 

Thanks.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2023 6:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Logitech Keyboard and Apple TV 4th Generation

 

Hi Chris,

Sorry to hear this. Have you checked for any system updates? For the gentleman 
who asked about the operating system, I am using TVOS 17.0 21J 354.

Best,

 

Les

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com  
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2023 4:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Logitech Keyboard and Apple TV 4th Generation

 

Hi. I just tried it with the Arteck Bluetooth keyboard and it still isn’t 
working. If I hold alt and control I can navigate across with the arrow keys 
but I can’t move up and down. I don’t have a Logitech keyboard to try. I’ll try 
my apple magic keyboard later.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2023 9:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Logitech Keyboard and Apple TV 4th Generation

 

Hi Chris and All,

The issue with using the keyboard with one’s Apple TV has been fixed. The arrow 
keys by themselves can now be used. Thus far, I have tested with the Logitech 
K380, but I suspect other keyboards should now work.

Best,

 

Les

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com  
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2023 10:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Logitech Keyboard and Apple TV 4th Generation

 

Yes I did try the apple magic keyboard as well with the same results.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2023 9:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Logitech Keyboard and Apple TV 4th Generation

 

Hi Chris,

I have had numerous conversations with Logitech Tech Support and Apple. 
Logitech does not support TVOS latest version. Whether they will is an open 
question. Apple doesn’t even support this OS on their own keyboards which makes 
no sense to me. I will be writing Apple Accessibility about this and encourage 
you and others to do the same. I was shocked that Apple’s keyboard won’t work 
with their own product.

Best,

 

Les

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com  
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 6:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Logitech Keyboard and Apple TV 4th Generation

 

I’m having the same issue ever since updating to the latest TV OS. I sure hope 
someone has a solution because it’s driving me batty. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 2:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Cc: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Logitech Keyboard and Apple TV 4th Generation

 

Hi All,

I have been using a Logitech K380 with my Apple TV 4th Generation for about two 
years. After going away for a couple weeks, when returning, that keyboard no 
longer works. The arrows yield no response and the Return key either does 
nothing or launches a different app that I am focused on. Since my keyboard was 
out of warranty, I decided to purchase the K780 which I know many use on this 
list. The same problems with unresponsive arrow keys are present on that 
keyboard. On my iPhone, the return key does not activate an app. Logitech says 
it is something Apple software modified. Is anybody successfully using am Apple 
TV 4th Generation with either the K380 or K780?  If anyone can suggest another 
compatible keyboard, that would be appreciated.

Best,

 

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RE: Logitech Keyboard and Apple TV 4th Generation

[chrisjudge1967]

Hi. I just tried it with the Arteck Bluetooth keyboard and it still isn’t 
working. If I hold alt and control I can navigate across with the arrow keys 
but I can’t move up and down. I don’t have a Logitech keyboard to try. I’ll try 
my apple magic keyboard later.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2023 9:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Logitech Keyboard and Apple TV 4th Generation

 

Hi Chris and All,

The issue with using the keyboard with one’s Apple TV has been fixed. The arrow 
keys by themselves can now be used. Thus far, I have tested with the Logitech 
K380, but I suspect other keyboards should now work.

Best,

 

Les

 

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chrisjudge1...@gmail.com  
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2023 10:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Logitech Keyboard and Apple TV 4th Generation

 

Yes I did try the apple magic keyboard as well with the same results.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2023 9:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Logitech Keyboard and Apple TV 4th Generation

 

Hi Chris,

I have had numerous conversations with Logitech Tech Support and Apple. 
Logitech does not support TVOS latest version. Whether they will is an open 
question. Apple doesn’t even support this OS on their own keyboards which makes 
no sense to me. I will be writing Apple Accessibility about this and encourage 
you and others to do the same. I was shocked that Apple’s keyboard won’t work 
with their own product.

Best,

 

Les

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
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chrisjudge1...@gmail.com  
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 6:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Logitech Keyboard and Apple TV 4th Generation

 

I’m having the same issue ever since updating to the latest TV OS. I sure hope 
someone has a solution because it’s driving me batty. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 2:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Cc: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Logitech Keyboard and Apple TV 4th Generation

 

Hi All,

I have been using a Logitech K380 with my Apple TV 4th Generation for about two 
years. After going away for a couple weeks, when returning, that keyboard no 
longer works. The arrows yield no response and the Return key either does 
nothing or launches a different app that I am focused on. Since my keyboard was 
out of warranty, I decided to purchase the K780 which I know many use on this 
list. The same problems with unresponsive arrow keys are present on that 
keyboard. On my iPhone, the return key does not activate an app. Logitech says 
it is something Apple software modified. Is anybody successfully using am Apple 
TV 4th Generation with either the K380 or K780?  If anyone can suggest another 
compatible keyboard, that would be appreciated.

Best,

 

Les

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RE: Logitech Keyboard and Apple TV 4th Generation

[chrisjudge1967]

Ok thanks I’ll give it a try.

 

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

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Kriegler
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2023 9:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Logitech Keyboard and Apple TV 4th Generation

 

Hi Chris and All,

The issue with using the keyboard with one’s Apple TV has been fixed. The arrow 
keys by themselves can now be used. Thus far, I have tested with the Logitech 
K380, but I suspect other keyboards should now work.

Best,

 

Les

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com  
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2023 10:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Logitech Keyboard and Apple TV 4th Generation

 

Yes I did try the apple magic keyboard as well with the same results.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2023 9:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Logitech Keyboard and Apple TV 4th Generation

 

Hi Chris,

I have had numerous conversations with Logitech Tech Support and Apple. 
Logitech does not support TVOS latest version. Whether they will is an open 
question. Apple doesn’t even support this OS on their own keyboards which makes 
no sense to me. I will be writing Apple Accessibility about this and encourage 
you and others to do the same. I was shocked that Apple’s keyboard won’t work 
with their own product.

Best,

 

Les

 

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chrisjudge1...@gmail.com  
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 6:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Logitech Keyboard and Apple TV 4th Generation

 

I’m having the same issue ever since updating to the latest TV OS. I sure hope 
someone has a solution because it’s driving me batty. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
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Kriegler
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 2:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Cc: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Logitech Keyboard and Apple TV 4th Generation

 

Hi All,

I have been using a Logitech K380 with my Apple TV 4th Generation for about two 
years. After going away for a couple weeks, when returning, that keyboard no 
longer works. The arrows yield no response and the Return key either does 
nothing or launches a different app that I am focused on. Since my keyboard was 
out of warranty, I decided to purchase the K780 which I know many use on this 
list. The same problems with unresponsive arrow keys are present on that 
keyboard. On my iPhone, the return key does not activate an app. Logitech says 
it is something Apple software modified. Is anybody successfully using am Apple 
TV 4th Generation with either the K380 or K780?  If anyone can suggest another 
compatible keyboard, that would be appreciated.

Best,

 

Les

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RE: Logitech Keyboard and Apple TV 4th Generation

[chrisjudge1967]

Yes I did try the apple magic keyboard as well with the same results.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2023 9:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Logitech Keyboard and Apple TV 4th Generation

 

Hi Chris,

I have had numerous conversations with Logitech Tech Support and Apple. 
Logitech does not support TVOS latest version. Whether they will is an open 
question. Apple doesn’t even support this OS on their own keyboards which makes 
no sense to me. I will be writing Apple Accessibility about this and encourage 
you and others to do the same. I was shocked that Apple’s keyboard won’t work 
with their own product.

Best,

 

Les

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
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chrisjudge1...@gmail.com  
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 6:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Logitech Keyboard and Apple TV 4th Generation

 

I’m having the same issue ever since updating to the latest TV OS. I sure hope 
someone has a solution because it’s driving me batty. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 2:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Cc: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Logitech Keyboard and Apple TV 4th Generation

 

Hi All,

I have been using a Logitech K380 with my Apple TV 4th Generation for about two 
years. After going away for a couple weeks, when returning, that keyboard no 
longer works. The arrows yield no response and the Return key either does 
nothing or launches a different app that I am focused on. Since my keyboard was 
out of warranty, I decided to purchase the K780 which I know many use on this 
list. The same problems with unresponsive arrow keys are present on that 
keyboard. On my iPhone, the return key does not activate an app. Logitech says 
it is something Apple software modified. Is anybody successfully using am Apple 
TV 4th Generation with either the K380 or K780?  If anyone can suggest another 
compatible keyboard, that would be appreciated.

Best,

 

Les

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RE: Logitech Keyboard and Apple TV 4th Generation

[chrisjudge1967]

Hi. I’m using the Arteck Bluetooth keyboards on both my apple TVS and I’m 
having the same experience, so it isn’t just Logetech.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2023 9:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Logitech Keyboard and Apple TV 4th Generation

 

Hi Chris,

I have had numerous conversations with Logitech Tech Support and Apple. 
Logitech does not support TVOS latest version. Whether they will is an open 
question. Apple doesn’t even support this OS on their own keyboards which makes 
no sense to me. I will be writing Apple Accessibility about this and encourage 
you and others to do the same. I was shocked that Apple’s keyboard won’t work 
with their own product.

Best,

 

Les

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
 On Behalf Of chrisjudge1...@gmail.com 
 
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 6:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Logitech Keyboard and Apple TV 4th Generation

 

I’m having the same issue ever since updating to the latest TV OS. I sure hope 
someone has a solution because it’s driving me batty. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 2:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Cc: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Logitech Keyboard and Apple TV 4th Generation

 

Hi All,

I have been using a Logitech K380 with my Apple TV 4th Generation for about two 
years. After going away for a couple weeks, when returning, that keyboard no 
longer works. The arrows yield no response and the Return key either does 
nothing or launches a different app that I am focused on. Since my keyboard was 
out of warranty, I decided to purchase the K780 which I know many use on this 
list. The same problems with unresponsive arrow keys are present on that 
keyboard. On my iPhone, the return key does not activate an app. Logitech says 
it is something Apple software modified. Is anybody successfully using am Apple 
TV 4th Generation with either the K380 or K780?  If anyone can suggest another 
compatible keyboard, that would be appreciated.

Best,

 

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RE: Logitech Keyboard and Apple TV 4th Generation

[chrisjudge1967]

I’m having the same issue ever since updating to the latest TV OS. I sure hope 
someone has a solution because it’s driving me batty. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 2:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Logitech Keyboard and Apple TV 4th Generation

 

Hi All,

I have been using a Logitech K380 with my Apple TV 4th Generation for about two 
years. After going away for a couple weeks, when returning, that keyboard no 
longer works. The arrows yield no response and the Return key either does 
nothing or launches a different app that I am focused on. Since my keyboard was 
out of warranty, I decided to purchase the K780 which I know many use on this 
list. The same problems with unresponsive arrow keys are present on that 
keyboard. On my iPhone, the return key does not activate an app. Logitech says 
it is something Apple software modified. Is anybody successfully using am Apple 
TV 4th Generation with either the K380 or K780?  If anyone can suggest another 
compatible keyboard, that would be appreciated.

Best,

 

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RE: Be My Eyes is not working

[chrisjudge1967]

How does one get set up for Be my eyes AI? When I open the app I see a button 
that says, AI pending, but when I double tap it nothing happens.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2023 2:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Be My Eyes is not working

 

Worked fine for me.





On Sep 30, 2023, at 1:40 AM, Debbie Downey mailto:debdow...@tampabay.rr.com> > wrote:



HI Evan,

 

I’m having the same issue, however, I’m using an iPhone 8 and I’m wondering if 
it’s too old and if the Be My AI requires a newer phone with the Neural Engine 
for better recognition or at least that’s what I think it’s called?

 

Thank you!

 

Debbie

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Evan 
Reese
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2023 8:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Be My Eyes is not working

 

I had the same problem. I took several pictures and it said "failed to analyze 
picture". So I closed the app, then reopened it. Still the same. Then I 
uninstalled the app and reinstalled it, reentering all my data. I must have 
been connected to the Internet at least because I redownloaded the app from the 
App Store.

Now it says Be My AI access pending. That's a bit mysterious because it just 
said Be My AI before, nothing about access pending. But maybe when I do get 
access back, it'll work. If not, then I'll write to them.

If it does work this time, I'll let you all know.

Evan

 

On 9/29/2023 11:15 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

You probably lost connection to the server.

I just used it and it worked fine.

If this keeps happening, I would reach out to the folks at Be My Eyes.

Use the Settings Tab, Send Us Feedback.

 

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

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  On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2023 8:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Be My Eyes is not working

 

Hi Group.

I took a picture with the Be My Eyes App and it says “Failure to analyze 
picture.” Does anyone have any idea as to why this is happening?

Mr. Ed

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RE: Any reasons to not upgrade to iOS 17?

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I don't care for the way Siri is behaving. Often when she is reading the 
message back prior to sending she pauses for no reason in the middle of 
reading. I thought it had been cleared up with 17.1 but it's still doing it, 
not every time but enough to be annoying.

Chris Judge






-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 5:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Any reasons to not upgrade to iOS 17?

iOS 17 hasn't broke accessibility for me with the exception of the change with 
audio messages with the native messages app. If you don't use audio messages on 
a daily basis, nothing to worry about.

The difference with audio messages now is that you need to stop and send the 
recording rather than it automatically sending like in iOS 16.

Feliciano 

-Original Message-
From: 'Curtis Delzer' via VIPhone  
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 1:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any reasons to not upgrade to iOS 17?

You may not like the feel of the double  tap, as it feels different somehow, 
which I can't explain, but to me it is different than what I was accustomed too 
in my earlier iPhones from iPhone 4.5 and higher, actually since 2013 in 
October.

Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
  Rialto, CA
cur...@calweb.com

On 9/26/2023 1:07 PM, Keith Kramlinger wrote:
> Hi,
> I am still on iOS 16.6.1. Are there any reasons to not upgrade to iOS 17?
> Thanks. Keith
>

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RE: How to actually delete an app?

[chrisjudge1967]

Hi Kay.

 

To delete an app, swipe to the app you want to delete, next, swipe up with one 
finger. Voice over will say, edit mode. Double tap with one finger. Voice over 
will say, started editing.

Next, swipe up to delete and double tap with one finger. Swipe through the 
options. You will be given the options to delete app or remove from home 
screen. If you choose delete app, the app will be gong.

 

Hth.

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2023 1:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How to actually delete an app?

 

Hi all,

I want to delete some apps that I haven't used in a while or that never worked 
in the latest IOS versions.  I don't want them to hide out in the library.  I 
want them gone.  What is the best way to do this?  Thanks much.


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com  

 

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The seeds of distrust it will sow.
But unless you've made,
No mistakes in your life,
Be careful of stones that you throw.

 

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RE: Questions regarding my Apple watch

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Hi. I use my watch when I sleep every night. I created a sleep focus mode that 
comes automatically each evening at 9:15. I get a 15 minute wind-down before it 
goes in to sleep mode. The watch doesn't talk through the night and I have a 
nice alarm wake me up at 5. You can set one for the weekend if you like if your 
routine differs.

Chris Judge






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Raikes
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Subject: Re: Questions regarding my Apple watch

Hi Anna and Malcolm,

I had the same question. I want to use my apple watch to track my sleep but I 
don't want the watch talking throughout the night if I move.

With these settings turned off, do I have to tap the watch to get it to talk?

On 8/21/23, Anna Dresner  wrote:
> Hi Terri,
>
> Turn off Speak on Wrist Raise either in VoiceOver Settings on the 
> watch or in the Watch app on your phone. Then VoiceOver will only 
> speak when you wake the watch.
>
> Best,
> Anna
>
>
>> On Aug 21, 2023, at 6:26 AM, Terri Stimmel 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>>
>> I just have a quick question, or two, regarding my Apple watch.
>>
>>
>> Is there a way to set it, or a way to enable it, so that the watch 
>> won't speak, if the face is touched?
>>
>> Or, just if I move my arm in a certain way?
>>
>>
>> This always seems to be happening to me. Which in most cases is fine.
>>
>>
>> However, I will be attending college soon, and I do not want my watch 
>> going off all the time. The yammering would not be appreciated by 
>> others, that is for sure. LOL!
>>
>>
>> Any help would be much appreciated.
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
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>> Terri
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RE: What's the best way to delete a contact in iPhone?

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I did knot know this, thanks so much. I’ve been hitting the edit button for 
each contact and deleting them using the button at the bottom. This is much 
more efficient.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lyne
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2023 5:24 PM
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Subject: Re: What's the best way to delete a contact in iPhone?

 

Hello Rina,

Double tape and hold on contact you will have a menu with delete 

Lyne





Le 1 juin 2023 à 14:53, Rena mailto:onyxfran...@gmail.com> > a écrit :



When I select a contact to delete, I don’t see any edit button.

What should I do to see edit?

 

Rena

 

 

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Subject: Re: What's the best way to delete a contact in iPhone?

 

You have to click the edit button first and then you can delete the contact. I 
know it's weird but that's how it works.






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Hello,

 

I open contacts, choose the one I want to delete, but I don’t find any button 
to delete this contact. What should I do?

It’s iPhone SE20 and iOS 16.

 

Thanks,

 

Rena

 

 

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RE: What's the best way to delete a contact in iPhone?

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I sure wish apple would change that. It would be nice to just be able to swipe 
up to delete like you can with email and messages.

 

Chris Judge

  

 

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hudson
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You have to click the edit button first and then you can delete the contact. I 
know it's weird but that's how it works.





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Hello,

 

I open contacts, choose the one I want to delete, but I don’t find any button 
to delete this contact. What should I do?

It’s iPhone SE20 and iOS 16.

 

Thanks,

 

Rena

 

 

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RE: Pit boss grilling app

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Beer and tunes are an essential part of smoking and grilling. 

 

Chris Judge

  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of William 
James
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2023 4:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pit boss grilling app

 

I use the Weber Smart Connect Hub.  You get an ambient probe for measuring your 
grill’s temperature and a meat probe.  I have a spare one from an iGrill I got 
a few years ago.  I also use a Weber Kettle 22 inch.  I’ve smoked plenty of 
ribs, chicken, pork butts, and other meats on there.  Oh yeah, and plenty of 
beer and tunes!

 

Sent from my iPhone Pro Max





On Apr 25, 2023, at 12:21 AM, joseph hudson mailto:jhud7...@twc.com> > wrote:

Hi Chris, I found the messaging question that you had brought up. I didn't 
find a come pleat thread. But here I believe is the message that you are 
speaking of. And I believe that these archives are public. So you don't have to 
be a member to read them.

 



 

 Re: Smoker

 

 groups.io

 

 

 

 

 

 





On Apr 24, 2023, at 4:14 PM, mailto:chrisjudge1...@gmail.com> > mailto:chrisjudge1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I recall about a year ago we had a discussion about smokers on the blind 
handyman list. I can’t remember the exact issue but I seem to remember a user 
having issues with the app, and when they called pit boss customer support the 
support was so atrocious that they ended up returning the pit boss grill and 
getting a Treger. I yeard the treger app was ok but I haven’t used it 
personally.

 

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 viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2023 5:08 PM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Pit boss grilling app

 

Hello Kayla,

 

I was going to tell you that Pit Boss uses the same app as Louisiana Grills and 
that app is called "Smoke It". You may or may not know that both Pit Boss and 
Louisiana Grill are brands owned by the same company, Danson LLC.

I sell Louisiana Grill at my retail store and personally own a Founders Series 
1200 and the app can be used, but it's not great and I had to have sighted help 
at first because sometimes Voiceover reads stuff in the app which visually is 
not there so you sort of have to know what you can tap and how to use it.

I was told by my Canadian distributor of Louisiana Grill that apparently the 
company is working on a new app, but that was last year and I haven't heard 
anything further. I live in Northwestern British Columbia and our winter is a 
full 5 months from November through March and while a few people use their wood 
pellet grills throughout the year, the main season for this sort of stuff up 
here is definitely from mid or late April (around now basically) to the middle 
or end of October. There is a lot of salmon fishing here so September and 
October are big month for people smoking their fish.

 

Now, I just opened my Smoke It app for the first time this year and immediately 
received a pop-up message that Pit Boss now has their own app and typing "Pit 
boss" into the search field of the App Store did find it easily enough. What is 
not at all clear is whether this new Pit Boss app is supposed to work also with 
the Louisiana Grill products or not and calling their customer service line 
today wasn't much use as they are not open on Sundays. I will, however, call 
them tomorrow to find out because both Smoke It as well as the newer Pit Boss 
app get pretty bad ratings and they really should get their act together.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

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RE: Pit boss grilling app

[chrisjudge1967]

I recall about a year ago we had a discussion about smokers on the blind 
handyman list. I can’t remember the exact issue but I seem to remember a user 
having issues with the app, and when they called pit boss customer support the 
support was so atrocious that they ended up returning the pit boss grill and 
getting a Treger. I yeard the treger app was ok but I haven’t used it 
personally.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2023 5:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Pit boss grilling app

 

Hello Kayla,

 

I was going to tell you that Pit Boss uses the same app as Louisiana Grills and 
that app is called "Smoke It". You may or may not know that both Pit Boss and 
Louisiana Grill are brands owned by the same company, Danson LLC.

I sell Louisiana Grill at my retail store and personally own a Founders Series 
1200 and the app can be used, but it's not great and I had to have sighted help 
at first because sometimes Voiceover reads stuff in the app which visually is 
not there so you sort of have to know what you can tap and how to use it.

I was told by my Canadian distributor of Louisiana Grill that apparently the 
company is working on a new app, but that was last year and I haven't heard 
anything further. I live in Northwestern British Columbia and our winter is a 
full 5 months from November through March and while a few people use their wood 
pellet grills throughout the year, the main season for this sort of stuff up 
here is definitely from mid or late April (around now basically) to the middle 
or end of October. There is a lot of salmon fishing here so September and 
October are big month for people smoking their fish.

 

Now, I just opened my Smoke It app for the first time this year and immediately 
received a pop-up message that Pit Boss now has their own app and typing "Pit 
boss" into the search field of the App Store did find it easily enough. What is 
not at all clear is whether this new Pit Boss app is supposed to work also with 
the Louisiana Grill products or not and calling their customer service line 
today wasn't much use as they are not open on Sundays. I will, however, call 
them tomorrow to find out because both Smoke It as well as the newer Pit Boss 
app get pretty bad ratings and they really should get their act together.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

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RE: Predictive texting with Siri is a pain!

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Pretty much everything about siri these days is a pain.

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Subject: Predictive texting with Siri is a pain!

I prefer to dictate my text messages. Sometimes I do this with Siri without 
being in the Messages app and other times I will do it from within the Messages 
app by hitting the dictate button. For some reason it seems that Siri wants to 
assist me by putting in words or suggested words that I did not choose. So, now 
I’m having to spend all kinds of time going back through the dang messages and 
rewriting things. How do I turn this off?
Dan


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RE: Reading digital displays on ovens and thermostats

[chrisjudge1967]

Hi. Have you tried the Be my eyes service? It's completely free and you can 
speak to a person in real time, point your phones camera on the item you wish 
read. I use be my eyes all the time to set my instapot.

Chris Judge


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Subject: Reading digital displays on ovens and thermostats

hi,
Can any of the available text reading apps successfully read digital 
temperatures on oven and thermostat devices? If so, I have yet to find one that 
I can operate. It may be operator error, though. Appreciate any insights.
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RE: Old Apple Bluetooth keyboard

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I really don’t know. Months and months. I plug them in every so often to charge 
them. 

 

Chris Judge

  

 

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Merritt
Sent: March 21, 2023 10:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Old Apple Bluetooth keyboard

 

Chris, 

How long does the battery on the newer rechargeable one last? Also, how do you 
know when it is running low? 

 

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On Mar 21, 2023, at 7:39 PM, Esther Levegnale mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:

I remember the old Apple keyboards. I like the newer ones much better. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!





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  wrote:



If it’s the one I’m thinking of there is a round button on the right hand side. 
Pushing it in for a couple of seconds will turn it on. I have a couple of those 
but the one thing I’ve never liked is that it’s difficult to know when it is 
on. I now use the newer magic keyboards that are rechargeable and have a 
physical on/off switch.

 

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Subject: Old Apple Bluetooth keyboard

 

Hi. I found an old Bluetooth keyboard, which must be from around 2010. Does 
anyone recall which button turns it on? This was the Bluetooth keyboard which 
took I think 2 AA batteries, so we're going back a ways. Also, does anyone know 
how I might know if it is on? I am totally blind. 

 

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RE: Old Apple Bluetooth keyboard

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Yes the button was on the right and the cap for the batteries was on the left.

 

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Sent: March 21, 2023 8:25 PM
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Subject: Re: Old Apple Bluetooth keyboard

 

I think there was a button or a switch on the side towards the back almost 
where you put the batteries in or on the opposite side. That’s just from memory.

Sent from my iPhone





On Mar 21, 2023, at 6:57 PM, Debbie Downey mailto:debdow...@tampabay.rr.com> > wrote:



HI Wayne,

 

If it’s the same one that I think it is; there is a button on the right hand 
side that you hold in for about 10 seconds. The only way that you can tell if 
it is on or not is to have it paired with your iPhone with Voiceover turned on 
and when you hit a key; you’ll hear your phone speak!

 

Hope that helps some. I don’t really know much about it; my husband is the one 
who uses it once in a while!

 

Debbie 

 

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Subject: Old Apple Bluetooth keyboard

 

Hi. I found an old Bluetooth keyboard, which must be from around 2010. Does 
anyone recall which button turns it on? This was the Bluetooth keyboard which 
took I think 2 AA batteries, so we're going back a ways. Also, does anyone know 
how I might know if it is on? I am totally blind. 

 

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RE: Old Apple Bluetooth keyboard

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If it’s the one I’m thinking of there is a round button on the right hand side. 
Pushing it in for a couple of seconds will turn it on. I have a couple of those 
but the one thing I’ve never liked is that it’s difficult to know when it is 
on. I now use the newer magic keyboards that are rechargeable and have a 
physical on/off switch.

 

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Merritt
Sent: March 21, 2023 7:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Old Apple Bluetooth keyboard

 

Hi. I found an old Bluetooth keyboard, which must be from around 2010. Does 
anyone recall which button turns it on? This was the Bluetooth keyboard which 
took I think 2 AA batteries, so we're going back a ways. Also, does anyone know 
how I might know if it is on? I am totally blind. 

 

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RE: Accessible GPS apps and bread crumbs

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Too bad sound scape is being discontinued. It might’ve worked in this case.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of John 
Panarese
Sent: March 15, 2023 11:02 PM
To: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
Subject: Accessible GPS apps and bread crumbs

 

Hi guys,

   I’m trying to find an accessible GPS application for the iPhone that will 
offer really easy to use bread crumb features for an older gentleman who is not 
really tech savvy. He lives on a farm that is approximately 60 acres in size. 
He needs an app in which he can navigate between specific landmarks on his 
property and be given directions or indicators if he wanders astray. This would 
be, for example, reaching a water tower from his house or finding his way back 
to his house from another part of his property.

 

If anyone can suggest a specific app that will fit the bill, please let me 
know. Also, if one can give pointers that I can pass along to the person, I’d 
appreciate that as well.

 


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RE: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

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I have a 13 pro. I just tried it and it reports muted and unmuted as it's 
suppose to.

Chris Judge


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Sent: February 28, 2023 8:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mute Switch Always Says "Unmuted"

I found this most interesting. I think it started in iOS 16, but maybe not. If 
I move the switch on the side of the phone, either way VoiceOver says 
"unmuted." It does this on n XS, a 12 Pro Max and a 14 Pro Max. 
However, even though VO says "unmuted" for both positions, the phone sounds are 
definitely muted when the switched is moved to the back of the phone, and 
restored when moved to the front. Anyone else ever notice this?

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RE: screen curtain

[chrisjudge1967]

No, as previously mentioned it's a voice over function.

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Sent: February 19, 2023 4:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: screen curtain

Hi that is interesting so if you have voice over turned off can you stilltern 
on screen curton by doing a triple finger dubble tap?

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Sent: February 19, 2023 2:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: screen curtain

Debbie is correct, screen curtain is strictly a Voiceover feature. Anybody who 
is sighted would not want to use it, after all, why would they since it would 
prevent them from seeing the screen.


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Hi Janet,

I am pretty sure that "screen curtain" is a feature of Voiceover, so if she is 
sighted and not using Voiceover, "screen curtain" is not available to her.

On your second question go to settings, accessibility, Voiceover, then Rotor. 
You will have to flick down the screen many times, but eventually you will come 
to "direct touch." Double tap it and it will be on the rotor.

I hope that helps!

Debby 

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Bell
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: screen curtain

please could someone tell me how a fully sighted person puts the screen curtain 
on and off.  she has her phone on lock after 30 seconds so I don't know if that 
makes a difference.  I told her to try the three finger triple tap but it 
didn't work.

one final question how do I put direct touch on the rota Janet

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RE: Seeing AI now supports indoor navigation

[chrisjudge1967]

Sure sounds like it. Let's see how well it works.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: February 1, 2023 3:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI now supports indoor navigation

That is pretty amazing! 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ben Mustill-Rose
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2023 7:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Seeing AI now supports indoor navigation

Hi all,

As per the subject, Seeing AI now supports indoor navigation as part of its 
World channel on devices running iOS14 or newer. (It's a shame that they don't 
have some kind of accessible GPS offering that this could be integrated into.) 
"Indoor Navigation enables you to create routes through a building, and later 
follow that route, guided by spatial audio cues."
I've yet to try it, but the link below is for a basic tutorial that can be 
found within the app:
https://youtu.be/sKMHg1DpTuE

I'd be interested in hearing peoples experiences around how well it works and 
what people are doing with it.

Cheers,
Ben.

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RE: Reading downloaded audible books when not connected to the internet.

[chrisjudge1967]

Airplane mode shouldn't affect your ability to play offline content anyway,. 
There must be another issue.

Chris Judge


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: January 23, 2023 8:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Reading downloaded audible books when not connected to the 
internet.

I just tried to listen to an audible book that I had downloaded with airplane 
mode turned on, and it worked just fine.  Good luck.

On 1/23/23, Barbara Stahl  wrote:
> Yes. Hence my dismay at this latest issue after updating the app.  I 
> rely on this ability heavily with my ipod.
>
>> On Jan 23, 2023, at 2:55 PM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Yes but if you download the audible books aren't you suppose to be 
>> able to listen to them without being connected?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: January 23, 2023 2:21 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Reading downloaded audible books when not connected to 
>> the internet.
>>
>> Joshua, if you turn off Wi-Fi you are still cponnected to the 
>> internet using cellular data.
>> Barbara said she is using an iPod which means that when she is not at 
>> home and connected to Wi-Fi therre is no internet connectivity at all.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Joshua Hendrickson
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 11:39 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Reading downloaded audible books when not connected to 
>> the internet.
>>
>> I have no idea why you would be getting that message.  I have no 
>> problem reading audible books that I've downloaded to my 13 pro max.
>> It doesn't matter if I've got my WIFI turned on or off, I have no 
>> trouble reading the books.
>>
>>> On 1/22/23, Donna Casteen  wrote:
>>> Go to settings, swipe to cellular & tap to open, swipe down to the 
>>> list of apps until you find Audible & confirm that it is selected. 
>>> Or open settings, swipe all the way down to where the list of apps 
>>> that is installed on the phone starts, find Audible & tap. Here you 
>>> can turn on Audible app settings.
>>>
>>> Donna


 
 Hi list!
 I updated my ipod to IOS 15.7.2 today. After installing this update.
 I also updated my apps including the audible app to the latest app 
 version.

 However, now whenever I try to read a downloaded book when not 
 connected to the internet, it comes up with the message please 
 connect to the internet to continue reading.
 Does anyone know why this is happening? I have always been able to 
 read downloaded audible books without being connected to the 
 internet.  This is a real problem, because my ipod is only 
 connected to wifi when I'm at home.
 Is there some sort of setting that I need to change to restore the 
 ability to read downloaded audible books without being connected to 
 the internet?

 I have tried clearing the app from the app switcher and also 
 restarting my phone.  I also tried signing out of audible and then 
 signing in again with no success.
 Do I need to delete the app and redownload it?  Or is there 
 something else that I should do?
 If this is some sort of new feature with the latest audible app, is 
 there a way to return to to the earlier version of audible that 
 does not behave in this way?
 Any assistance is greatly appreciated.

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RE: Reading downloaded audible books when not connected to the internet.

[chrisjudge1967]

Yes but if you download the audible books aren't you suppose to be able to 
listen to them without being connected?

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: January 23, 2023 2:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Reading downloaded audible books when not connected to the 
internet.

Joshua, if you turn off Wi-Fi you are still cponnected to the internet using 
cellular data.
Barbara said she is using an iPod which means that when she is not at home and 
connected to Wi-Fi therre is no internet connectivity at all.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 11:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Reading downloaded audible books when not connected to the 
internet.

I have no idea why you would be getting that message.  I have no problem 
reading audible books that I've downloaded to my 13 pro max.
It doesn't matter if I've got my WIFI turned on or off, I have no trouble 
reading the books.

On 1/22/23, Donna Casteen  wrote:
> Go to settings, swipe to cellular & tap to open, swipe down to the 
> list of apps until you find Audible & confirm that it is selected. Or 
> open settings, swipe all the way down to where the list of apps that 
> is installed on the phone starts, find Audible & tap. Here you can turn on 
> Audible app settings.
>
> Donna
>>
>>
>> 
>> Hi list!
>> I updated my ipod to IOS 15.7.2 today. After installing this update. 
>> I also updated my apps including the audible app to the latest app version.
>>
>> However, now whenever I try to read a downloaded book when not 
>> connected to the internet, it comes up with the message please 
>> connect to the internet to continue reading.
>> Does anyone know why this is happening? I have always been able to 
>> read downloaded audible books without being connected to the 
>> internet.  This is a real problem, because my ipod is only connected 
>> to wifi when I'm at home.
>> Is there some sort of setting that I need to change to restore the 
>> ability to read downloaded audible books without being connected to the 
>> internet?
>>
>> I have tried clearing the app from the app switcher and also 
>> restarting my phone.  I also tried signing out of audible and then 
>> signing in again with no success.
>> Do I need to delete the app and redownload it?  Or is there something 
>> else that I should do?
>> If this is some sort of new feature with the latest audible app, is 
>> there a way to return to to the earlier version of audible that does 
>> not behave in this way?
>> Any assistance is greatly appreciated.
>>
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RE: Apple Watch Question

[chrisjudge1967]

I was wondering that as well. I’m embarrassed to admit I’m still using series 
four. That is about to change, I just can’t decide if I want to invest in the 
ultra, buy a series 8 or wait a while to see what’s next for the apple watch.

 

Chris Judge

  

 

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Watch Question

 

Hi Richard. Is this new for the series 8 watches? I have a series 7 and it does 
nothing here at all. Curious.

 

 

 

 

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---Rick Alfaro

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
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Subject: RE: Apple Watch Question

 

It is the same as on the phone, two finger double tap.

 

 

 

 

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Hi All,

I was taking my heart rate with the ECG app. I was asked to perform a Magic tap 
to activate live audio. How does one perform a magic tap on the watch? Thanks.

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RE: tape measure

[chrisjudge1967]

I know in Canada measuring tapes come in many different lengths.

Chris Judge


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Janet 
Bell
Sent: January 1, 2023 4:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: tape measure

Please forgive this if you think it is a silly question but can someone tell me 
how long a tape measure is in America please?  the reason is that on my Alexa 
the daily riddle was what is long and flat and has four feet.  the answer was a 
tape measure.  In the UK a tape measure is five feet long.  so I was just 
wondereing how long they are in America.

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RE: The New Apple TV

[chrisjudge1967]

Hi. Did you not receive a charging cable with your apple TV? I know Apple 
stopped including the charging blocks a while ago, have they now stopped 
including cables as well?

Chris Judge


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Subject: RE: The New Apple TV

Hello Patti,

I have not done any research on the latest model of the Apple TV but I suspect 
that the difference in the size of the port, located  on the bottom of the Siri 
remote is because it is a USBC port and not a Lightening port.

Apple, slowly but surely is switching from Lightening to USBC because USBC is 
more compatible on a global stage.

You will have to purchase a new cable in order to charge your new Siri remote.

While I applaud Apple's adoption of a more universal standard, given my, 
already sizable investment in the Apple Orchard, switching from Lightening to 
USBC will be a bit costly.

Fortunately for me, as I use an Android phone, I already own a few USBC 
adaptors and cables.

As for how Apple packages the Apple TV?  You are not missing anything.  That is 
just the way it is.

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Patti 
Johnson
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 11:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The New Apple TV

Hello.  I got the new Apple tv for Christmas.  I had a friend over to help me 
wit the hook up.   We didn't find and HDMI cable and the remote is not the same 
as the older Apple tv I have, its charge port is bigger, so I can't use my 
phone charger to charge it up.

I opened the box and fount at the bottom ov it two boxes and one is literally 
glued to the bottom of the box everything came in, why would they do that?

Pardon me if I am misssing something here, but is there something I need to 
know that makes the 4K Apple tv setup and remote different than the older model?

This one has the button on the right of the remote, and I am assuming that is 
the siri button?

What am I missing here?

Thanks.

Patti

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RE: Microsoft sound scape being discontinued

[chrisjudge1967]

That's a drag. I hadn't heard that.

Chris Judge


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Sent: December 12, 2022 2:57 PM
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Subject: Microsoft sound scape being discontinued

I just got an update and in the release notes it said that it's being 
discontinued in January but that if you already have it installed on your phone 
you can use it through June. I hope that seeing AI doesn't go to.

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RE: Instructions for using SE 2022 needed

[chrisjudge1967]

That's too bad. I just worked through the entire series on using talk back and 
things worked fine. I'm not using it on the phone so that could be the issue.

Chris Judge


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: December 11, 2022 4:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Instructions for using SE 2022 needed

Hadley was priceless to me, but I no longer can get into them beyond one minute 
- have signed up on net and by phone with them, still no go. I have heard 
others with thie problem, but not everyone. 

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chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
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Hi. Another resources can be found at:
www.hadley.edu.
They have a series of workshops on using the iPhone with voice over and are 
well done.

Chris Judge


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shai
Sent: December 11, 2022 12:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Instructions for using SE 2022 needed

Hello Nancy,
I would suggest going to applevis.com; there, the site has a link to getting 
started with your first iPhone/iPad/watch I would navigate to this link and 
then choose the link for getting started with your first iPhone and review the 
guides/audio material  on there.
You could also Google the topic. Lastly, there are places where you can get 
in-depth training if this is more comfortable.


On 12/10/22, Nancy Hill  wrote:
> Hi All, We just went to a new carrier.  I had the original SE and the 
> only thing I would use it for was to make and receibe calls when I was 
> away from home.  I have also sent a few text messages via voice.
>
>
> I am thinking about learning a bit more about my new SE.  I am looking 
> for suggestions on how to increase my knowledge.  I do use Siri a bit 
> and know how to ask him to turn on Voice Over, but other than that, I 
> am a blank slate.  I knnow absolutely nothing about swishing, swiping, 
> tapping etc.
>
>
> What is the simplest and easiest way to learn about my phone's operation?
>
>
> Thanks in advance for your help and direction!
>
> nancy
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RE: Instructions for using SE 2022 needed

[chrisjudge1967]

Hi. Another resources can be found at:
www.hadley.edu.
They have a series of workshops on using the iPhone with voice over and are 
well done.

Chris Judge


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Sent: December 11, 2022 12:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Instructions for using SE 2022 needed

Hello Nancy,
I would suggest going to applevis.com; there, the site has a link to getting 
started with your first iPhone/iPad/watch I would navigate to this link and 
then choose the link for getting started with your first iPhone and review the 
guides/audio material  on there.
You could also Google the topic. Lastly, there are places where you can get 
in-depth training if this is more comfortable.


On 12/10/22, Nancy Hill  wrote:
> Hi All, We just went to a new carrier.  I had the original SE and the 
> only thing I would use it for was to make and receibe calls when I was 
> away from home.  I have also sent a few text messages via voice.
>
>
> I am thinking about learning a bit more about my new SE.  I am looking 
> for suggestions on how to increase my knowledge.  I do use Siri a bit 
> and know how to ask him to turn on Voice Over, but other than that, I 
> am a blank slate.  I knnow absolutely nothing about swishing, swiping, 
> tapping etc.
>
>
> What is the simplest and easiest way to learn about my phone's operation?
>
>
> Thanks in advance for your help and direction!
>
> nancy
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RE: How to prevent Face ID from misfiring?

[chrisjudge1967]

You can. Just because you set up face id doesn’t mean you can’t use your 
passcode.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: December 7, 2022 5:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to prevent Face ID from misfiring?

 

Hmm this is a good question I wonder if you could use a combination of face id 
and pin? Since I have a I phone 8 but am planning to get a I phone 14 prow in 
the new year. It would be good if you had a choice of using face id and pin in 
combination with one another. From Mich.

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
James Homuth
Sent: December 7, 2022 3:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: How to prevent Face ID from misfiring?

 

Hey again, folks. Thanks for the help with my last Face ID question. Mostly I 
think it’s just going to be getting used to it. Speaking of that, I’m wondering 
if there’s a way I can prevent Face ID from being the default – right now, the 
iPhone assumes I want to unlock my phone when it wakes, which results in Face 
ID trying to fire off. So for example, my phone will go off while I’m busy 
doing something, so when I’m free I decide to check it out to see what it said 
in case, you know, something at work is on fire and I need to be not doing the 
thing I’m doing. So I pull up my notifications, and Face ID fires off. But 
because I’m not intending to unlock my phone but only check to see what I 
missed, Face ID inevitably fails because I don’t have it in a good position for 
it to succeed—why would I if I only want to check my notifications? Besides 
waring earbuds or something, which makes no sense if I’m the only one in the 
place and so my phone isn’t disturbing anyone, is there a way I can set my 
phone to only try to unlock it with my face when I tell it to? Otherwise, Face 
ID is probably going to continue to misfire and end up disabling itself after 5 
failed attempts that I didn’t want to be attempts. Again, if I’m missing 
something obvious feel free to whap me upside the head with it. Thanks for the 
help!

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RE: Best practices for Face ID as a blind fool?

[chrisjudge1967]

I just point my ugly mug at the screen, usually it unlocks.

 

 

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Sent: December 5, 2022 11:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Best practices for Face ID as a blind fool?

 

Yup, me again, with what I’m sure is another question that was answered when 
modern phones came out. What tricks are people using for successfully and 
consistently getting Face ID to succeed? It seems to enjoy failing on me on a 
regular basis and I end up resorting to the passcode. Which, I mean, I don’t 
mind… but after using Touch ID for years I’ve gotten lazy. What am I not doing 
correctly?

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RE: Reading prescription labels

[chrisjudge1967]

Hi. NO there is no extra charge.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kimberly 
Gardner
Sent: November 27, 2022 3:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Reading prescription labels

Does your pharmacy charge you extra for the labels? I spoke to someone at my 
local RiteAid a while ago about script talk and was told I would have to pay 
extra for the labeling. It wasn't a huge amount but I wasn't going to pay extra 
no matter how little it was.

Kim

On 11/27/22, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com  wrote:
> Hi. I’m in Nova Scotia. When I began using script talk my pharmacy 
> didn't offer the labels either. Envision amarica reached out to them 
> and within a week they were up and running.
>
> Chris Judge
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Lyne
> Sent: November 26, 2022 3:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Reading prescription labels
>
> Hello,
> Where are you from? It's doesn't seems to be as easy as you tell :ere 
> in Canada; at list in Quebec.
>
> Lyne
>
>> Le 26 nov. 2022 à 13:05, Mr. Ed  a écrit :
>>
>> Hi All,
>> I wrote this letter out to people in Aberdeen where I live. Where 
>> ever you live you have to talk to your Walmart store and request the 
>> scrip talk if they do not have it. Just to let you know they probably 
>> are going to tell you they don't have it and can't get it. But this 
>> is not correct. Walmart has a policy that if anyone request  this 
>> service they have to get it. So if they give you a hassle just call 
>> Envision America and explain it to them and they will contact the 
>> Walmart store and get it going for you. I have informed this to many 
>> people and this has worked in the past. What also is nice is they 
>> will FX the prescriptions out to you for free. So what do you have to 
>> loose. Give it a try. It only takes a couple of phone calls. See all the 
>> info below explaining  the process and numbers to call.
>>
>> To Who It May Concern,
>> I was able to get Aberdeen’s Walmart to get ScripTalk into the Pharmacy.
>> What does this mean and what can it do for you?
>> 1.It is a free device that reads the prescription information on
>> prescription bottles with a device provided free from Envision America.
>> This is for visually impaired or for people who have a hard time 
>> reading their prescription bottles. It gives all the information on 
>> the bottle including other information about the medication.
>> 2.You can also use an app on a smart phone to read the information on
>> the prescription bottle.
>> 3.Walmart will also mail the prescription out to you free by FedX from
>> the Aberdeen store and you should get it next day.
>>
>> All the device and shipping is free with no extra cost to anyone.
>>
>> The first thing to do is call Envision America at 800-890-1180 and 
>> provide them your information and they will ship you out the device 
>> to read your prescription at no cost and get everything going for you.
>>
>> Then call or go to Walmart and they will get all your meds sent to 
>> their pharmacy for you and add the Scriptalk tag to your prescription 
>> bottle so you can read them with the free Envision America device 
>> which is easy to use with one button to push to get it to read the 
>> prescription bottle or use your smart phone with the Envision America 
>> Scriptalk app.
>>
>> Here is the website to read more about it.
>>
>> Audible Prescription Labels | ScripTalk Talking Labels | En-Vision 
>> America
>> (envisionamerica.com)
>>
>> I do not work for Walmart or Envision America or make any money 
>> promoting this product that is free to the customer. I am just doing 
>> this as I am a blind individual that now uses this service and 
>> believe many more people could benefit from this free service. I have 
>> been trying to get a pharmacy in Aberdeen to provide this service for 
>> over five years or so. Aberdeen’s Walmart just started this service 
>> on April 22, 2022. I just got my first prescription with the new 
>> service and it works great. So give it a try as what do you have to lose.
>> So please pass the word out to all people who could benefit in using 
>> this great service to read their prescription bottles.
>>
>>
>> Ed Pinkman
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Hello,
>> There is Script Talk with EnVisionAmerica but not available 
>> everywhere ...
>>
>> Lyne
>>
>>> Le 26 nov. 2022 à 09:15, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> a écrit :
>>>
>>> You could gently remove the label and get Seeing A I to read it. I 
>>> guess LiDAR could, if you have it?
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2022 8:12 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Reading prescription labels
>>>
>>> The problem is reading on the curve. The best solution is to get the 
>>> pharmacy to connect 

RE: Reading prescription labels

[chrisjudge1967]

Hi. I’m in Nova Scotia. When I began using script talk my pharmacy didn't offer 
the labels either. Envision amarica reached out to them and within a week they 
were up and running.

Chris Judge


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lyne
Sent: November 26, 2022 3:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Reading prescription labels

Hello,
Where are you from? It's doesn't seems to be as easy as you tell :ere in 
Canada; at list in Quebec.

Lyne

> Le 26 nov. 2022 à 13:05, Mr. Ed  a écrit :
> 
> Hi All,
> I wrote this letter out to people in Aberdeen where I live. Where ever you 
> live you have to talk to your Walmart store and request the scrip talk if 
> they do not have it. Just to let you know they probably are going to tell you 
> they don't have it and can't get it. But this is not correct. Walmart has a 
> policy that if anyone request  this service they have to get it. So if they 
> give you a hassle just call Envision America and explain it to them and they 
> will contact the Walmart store and get it going for you. I have informed this 
> to many people and this has worked in the past. What also is nice is they 
> will FX the prescriptions out to you for free. So what do you have to loose. 
> Give it a try. It only takes a couple of phone calls. See all the info below 
> explaining  the process and numbers to call. 
> To Who It May Concern,
> I was able to get Aberdeen’s Walmart to get ScripTalk into the Pharmacy. What 
> does this mean and what can it do for you?
> 1.It is a free device that reads the prescription information on 
> prescription bottles with a device provided free from Envision America. This 
> is for visually impaired or for people who have a hard time reading their 
> prescription bottles. It gives all the information on the bottle including 
> other information about the medication.
> 2.You can also use an app on a smart phone to read the information on the 
> prescription bottle.
> 3.Walmart will also mail the prescription out to you free by FedX from 
> the Aberdeen store and you should get it next day.
> 
> All the device and shipping is free with no extra cost to anyone.
> 
> The first thing to do is call Envision America at 800-890-1180 and provide 
> them your information and they will ship you out the device to read your 
> prescription at no cost and get everything going for you.
> 
> Then call or go to Walmart and they will get all your meds sent to their 
> pharmacy for you and add the Scriptalk tag to your prescription bottle so you 
> can read them with the free Envision America device which is easy to use with 
> one button to push to get it to read the prescription bottle or use your 
> smart phone with the Envision America Scriptalk app.
> 
> Here is the website to read more about it.
> 
> Audible Prescription Labels | ScripTalk Talking Labels | En-Vision America 
> (envisionamerica.com)
> 
> I do not work for Walmart or Envision America or make any money promoting 
> this product that is free to the customer. I am just doing this as I am a 
> blind individual that now uses this service and believe many more people 
> could benefit from this free service. I have been trying to get a pharmacy in 
> Aberdeen to provide this service for over five years or so. Aberdeen’s 
> Walmart just started this service on April 22, 2022. I just got my first 
> prescription with the new service and it works great. So give it a try as 
> what do you have to lose. 
> So please pass the word out to all people who could benefit in using this 
> great service to read their prescription bottles.
> 
> 
> Ed Pinkman
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Hello,
> There is Script Talk with EnVisionAmerica but not available everywhere ...
> 
> Lyne
> 
>> Le 26 nov. 2022 à 09:15, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> a écrit :
>> 
>> You could gently remove the label and get Seeing A I to read it. I guess 
>> LiDAR could, if you have it? 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2022 8:12 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Reading prescription labels
>> 
>> The problem is reading on the curve. The best solution is to get the 
>> pharmacy to connect with Envision America and their ScrirtTalk program which 
>> gives visually impaired people access to all of the medication info 
>> including the prescription number and refills remaining, etc.
>> You could try Voice Dream Scanner.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA.
>> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
>> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin My 
>> web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   On Nov 25, 2022, at 11:28 PM, Donald Raikes  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   Hi,
>> 
>>   Using my iPhone, what would be the best app to read the label on my
>>   prescription medications to get the 

RE: Apple TV without a physical screen?

[chrisjudge1967]

Oh I won't be replacing any of it for a while.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: November 22, 2022 1:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple TV without a physical screen?

I would wait to replace your Playbase until next year as there are rumours 
Sonos may release a new flag ship soundbar.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Monday, November 21, 2022 1:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple TV without a physical screen?

I want to buy more Sonos gear but I can't justify it. Currently I have 2 play 
fives with a sub in the man cave, a sub, play base and two Sonos ones in the 
livingroom for our surround sound, a play 3 in the kitchen, another one of 
those bad boys in the basement, a Sonos connect in the master bedroom connected 
to my bose wave system, and an Sonos 1 in my girlfriends computer room, so I 
really don't have any room for more Sonos stuff. I'd love to by an arc but will 
need to sell my play base to make room for it.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: November 20, 2022 6:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple TV without a physical screen?

Yes, they do have good deals for those who are not yet invested in Sonos. I was 
hoping to get the 20% off the new Sub Mini, but no such luck, the only deal I 
saw here in Canada is a little over 10% off and then you have to buy it with a 
set of Sonos One or Sonos SL speakers and I don't need them. Oh well, I think I 
may have some older Sonos One first generation speakers and I could use the 15% 
upgrade credit Sonos offers to buy a Sub Mini and then sell them since I 
currently have more Sonos speakers than I really need or use.

-Original Message-
From: 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone  
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2022 1:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen?

Hello all,

Thanks for the feedback. I originally had the old Apple TV HD with its some 
what quirky remote and decided to upgrade to the very latest 4K version which 
arrived last week.

I  was so impressed with the new unit, both the well thought out remote and the 
speed of the box, I  gather the new processor in this unit is some 30% faster 
than the older 4K unit, that I decided to see if I could create a sound only 
system.

I  intend to pick up a  Sonos beam  as there are some good deals this Black 
Friday and will report back on what happens.


Gary


On 20/11/2022 21:11, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> This would not help to connect to a Sonos Beam or Arc soundbar which have 
> only HDMI inputs. Maybe there is another adapter which would convert the 
> audio coming from your box back to HDMI, but as I said, a lot is possible, 
> but whether it is practical is another issue. Before I buy all these gadgets 
> I would simply buy the latest Apple TV 4K which was just released, hook it up 
> to my Sonos soundbar which from the way it sounds he already has and see if 
> it works. If not he can either return the Apple TV for a refund or look into 
> whatever other adapters/extractors are required to make it work.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Matthew Bullis
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 2:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen?
>
> Hello, to get around this issue, I bought this several years ago. You connect 
> an HDMI cable to it, and then to the Apple tv, and you send your audio out 
> through the RCA jacks. It's used for those times when tvs or gaming consoles 
> don’t have their own audio outputs, and you need to have them for some 
> external speakers. It's about a thirty dollar item:
> ViewHD Premium HDMI to HDMI +... 
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KBHX072?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
> Matthew
>
>
> On Nov 19, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Joney Owen  wrote:
>
> I asked this question when I was in a class for Apple TV a year or so ago. 
> We scuffed at a bit, because they couldn’t understand why the TV was not 
> wanted. However, I don’t believe it works without the TV. If you find out 
> differently, please let me know.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 19, 2022, at 1:43 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Apple Accessibility is available 24/7 at 877-204-3930
>>
>> I suspect the answer is that the Apple TV won't care, but short of just 
>> trying it, the good folks at Apple could answer your question quickly.
>>
>> I don't have a physical Apple TV, I just use the app on my iPhone or our 
>> Smart TV in our living room...
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard, USA.
>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” 
>>  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>>
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone 
>> 

RE: Apple TV without a physical screen?

[chrisjudge1967]

I want to buy more Sonos gear but I can't justify it. Currently I have 2 play 
fives with a sub in the man cave, a sub, play base and two Sonos ones in the 
livingroom for our surround sound, a play 3 in the kitchen, another one of 
those bad boys in the basement, a Sonos connect in the master bedroom connected 
to my bose wave system, and an Sonos 1 in my girlfriends computer room, so I 
really don't have any room for more Sonos stuff. I'd love to by an arc but will 
need to sell my play base to make room for it.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: November 20, 2022 6:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple TV without a physical screen?

Yes, they do have good deals for those who are not yet invested in Sonos. I was 
hoping to get the 20% off the new Sub Mini, but no such luck, the only deal I 
saw here in Canada is a little over 10% off and then you have to buy it with a 
set of Sonos One or Sonos SL speakers and I don't need them. Oh well, I think I 
may have some older Sonos One first generation speakers and I could use the 15% 
upgrade credit Sonos offers to buy a Sub Mini and then sell them since I 
currently have more Sonos speakers than I really need or use.

-Original Message-
From: 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone  
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2022 1:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen?

Hello all,

Thanks for the feedback. I originally had the old Apple TV HD with its some 
what quirky remote and decided to upgrade to the very latest 4K version which 
arrived last week.

I  was so impressed with the new unit, both the well thought out remote and the 
speed of the box, I  gather the new processor in this unit is some 30% faster 
than the older 4K unit, that I decided to see if I could create a sound only 
system.

I  intend to pick up a  Sonos beam  as there are some good deals this Black 
Friday and will report back on what happens.


Gary


On 20/11/2022 21:11, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> This would not help to connect to a Sonos Beam or Arc soundbar which have 
> only HDMI inputs. Maybe there is another adapter which would convert the 
> audio coming from your box back to HDMI, but as I said, a lot is possible, 
> but whether it is practical is another issue. Before I buy all these gadgets 
> I would simply buy the latest Apple TV 4K which was just released, hook it up 
> to my Sonos soundbar which from the way it sounds he already has and see if 
> it works. If not he can either return the Apple TV for a refund or look into 
> whatever other adapters/extractors are required to make it work.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Matthew Bullis
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 2:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen?
>
> Hello, to get around this issue, I bought this several years ago. You connect 
> an HDMI cable to it, and then to the Apple tv, and you send your audio out 
> through the RCA jacks. It's used for those times when tvs or gaming consoles 
> don’t have their own audio outputs, and you need to have them for some 
> external speakers. It's about a thirty dollar item:
> ViewHD Premium HDMI to HDMI +... 
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KBHX072?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
> Matthew
>
>
> On Nov 19, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Joney Owen  wrote:
>
> I asked this question when I was in a class for Apple TV a year or so ago. 
> We scuffed at a bit, because they couldn’t understand why the TV was not 
> wanted. However, I don’t believe it works without the TV. If you find out 
> differently, please let me know.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 19, 2022, at 1:43 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Apple Accessibility is available 24/7 at 877-204-3930
>>
>> I suspect the answer is that the Apple TV won't care, but short of just 
>> trying it, the good folks at Apple could answer your question quickly.
>>
>> I don't have a physical Apple TV, I just use the app on my iPhone or our 
>> Smart TV in our living room...
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard, USA.
>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” 
>>  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>>
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone 
>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 9:58 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple TV without a physical screen?
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Does anyone know if the Apple TV will work if it is plugged directly into a  
>> soundbar such as one of the Sonos devices rather than into a  tv and thence 
>> to a soundbar?
>>
>> I am trying to create a TV sound receiver for a small bedroom and don't want 
>> a  full sized TV screen as I can't see it anyway.
>>
>> I am suspicious that the Apple TV box will complain because it can't see a 
>> display device..
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> --

RE: Another bt keyboard questionI suspect the answer to this question is n

[chrisjudge1967]

No, just two. Hold the control and options keys with your left hand and the 
left and right brackets with your right.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alex 
Stone
Sent: November 19, 2022 12:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Another bt keyboard questionI suspect the answer to this question 
is n

Blimey, you need about four arms to be able to do that!

Sent from my iPhone

> On 19 Nov 2022, at 16:11, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> Maria,
> I checked under VoiceOver settings, commands, System, Switch to next app, and 
> it is Control+options+Shift+right square bracket.  Switch to previous app, 
> control+options+shift+left square bracket.
> The left and right brackets are the two keys to the right of the letter p on 
> a full keyboard.
> 
> The keystrokes listed in all the commands section of VO settings assume you 
> are holding down the VO keys, control+options, so I wrote those out to be 
> clear.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
> 
> My web site: 
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mária 
> Orovcíková
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 3:19 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Another bt keyboard questionI suspect the answer to this 
> question is n
> 
> Hello list,
> IOS has four finger swipe  right/left gesture to switch between recent apps. 
> without having to open app switcher.
> I am wondering is there a way to simulate the gesture on a BT Keyboard?
> Thanks.
> Maria
> 
> Dňa 18. 11. 2022 o 22:32 Alex Stone napísal(a):
>> I suspect the answer to this question is no, but is it possible to start 
>> Siri from a Bluetooth keyboard?
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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RE: Another bt keyboard questionI suspect the answer to this question is n

[chrisjudge1967]

Another option is to just invoke hey Siri. Then you can just call out her name 
when you want her.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: November 18, 2022 6:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Another bt keyboard questionI suspect the answer to this question 
is n

Actually, yes.
I don't recall right now if it is a default keystroke, or if you have to define 
it under commands in VoiceOver settings.

If you dig through the commands in the VO settings, you should find Siri and if 
no keyboard command is defined, you can pick a command and add it assuming that 
key combination is not already being used.




Richard, USA.
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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alex 
Stone
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 1:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Another bt keyboard questionI suspect the answer to this question is n

I suspect the answer to this question is no, but is it possible to start Siri 
from a Bluetooth keyboard?
Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Bt keyboard question

[chrisjudge1967]

Which is the options key on apple keyboards.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Thom 
Spittle
Sent: November 17, 2022 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bt keyboard question

Hey Alex, the VO, or voice over keyboard command is a set of two keys held 
down. It seems to vary, depending on the device and the keyboard. Sometimes the 
VO keys are the first and the third key, sometimes the first and the fourth 
key, and on most, Apple keyboards, the second and third key. When I mentioned 
the right VO key, it would be the right hand key that you would use for the 
voiceover combination. So if your device uses the first and third key for the 
voice over command, then it would be the third key would be your right VO key. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:38 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Tom, I remembered the 1st bit but not the 2md, out of interest, 
> what’s the right-hand vo kye?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 18 Nov 2022, at 01:15, Thom Spittle  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, so there are two parts. The first one is using the VO keys and the 
>> letter M to go to the status bar. The next step is to use just the right VO 
>> key and the down arrow to simulate a three finger swipe up and that should 
>> open the control center.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:03 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is there any way to get to control Center using a Bluetooth keyboard in 
>>> iOS 16? I’m sure there used to be a command, but I can’t remember what it 
>>> is.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: dictation bug in ios 16.1

[chrisjudge1967]

I have a 13 pro and have not noticed any issues with dictation. I use the magic 
tap method to start and stop it.

 

Chris Judge

  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: October 26, 2022 5:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: dictation bug in ios 16.1

 

I don't have this issue on my iPhone 11. I do get audio playback at times when 
I use a 2-finger double tap to stop dictation, otherwise it works.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca  
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 10:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: dictation bug in ios 16.1

 

Hi yes I have and it is still there. From Mich.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: October 26, 2022 1:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: dictation bug in ios 16.1

 

Have you rebooted your phone after the update?

 

From: 'Mervin Keck III' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 4:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: dictation bug in ios 16.1

 

Hi,

I have had that issue since yesterday when I installed 16.1. It also makes 
intermittent beeps or some sort of tone sometimes if the dictation is long 
enough. 

I am finding Dictation to be problematic in a variety of apps including mail, 
reminders, and messages.

Merv

 

 

On Oct 25, 2022, at 7:19 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca   
wrote:

 

Hi all I just found a dictation bug in ios 16.1 has any one elts found that 
when they try to dictate a message that they loose all function  with vo? When 
I am dictateing a message and once I am dun and dubble tap it again that juring 
the dictation process vo go’s scilent and doesn’t come back until you get out 
of the dictation moad. I am wondering if this is a bug. From Mich.

 

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RE: I'm in the Market for a Small iPhone

[chrisjudge1967]

Hi Evan:

Before you purchase you might want to at least take a look at the 13 pro model. 
It's a bit larger than the mini granted, but will give you some benefits such 
as lidar. If you are planning to keep the phone a while and hope to use it to 
it's greatest potential, the lidar feature is certainly worth having.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Evan 
Reese
Sent: October 21, 2022 12:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm in the Market for a Small iPhone

Thanks Alan

,I don't think I'll be getting it next week, but I plan to take a trip at the 
end of the year; so I do need to have it up and running by then for sure.

I don't really need the absolute top of the line, but I figure that if I'm 
going to get one, I do admit to feeling that it would be cool to get a really 
nice one, especially if I can get it in a small package, particularly since I 
hope to be using it for a good while, given that these things are not cheap.

I'll let you know what I get.

Evan



On 10/20/2022 11:30 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
> Hi Evan,
>
> Just to clarify some misinformation posted about the iPhone 13 Mini versus 
> the iPhone SE. I'm currently using the 13 Mini and my iPhone before it was 
> the SE 2020. The SE 2020 has the same physical form factor as the iPhone 7 
> and 8 and while the 13 Mini has a larger screen size than the SE, its 
> physical form factor is actually a bit smaller.
>
> I'm not going to pretend to predict when these various models will be 
> obsolete but I believe the 13 Mini will be usable for a few more years. I can 
> say that I really like mine and don't think you can go wrong choosing it.
>
> Good luck with your decision.
>
> Alan Lemly
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 20, 2022, at 10:00 PM, Evan Reese  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Larry,
>>
>> I did some Googling. It took me some time, but I found a guide to Apple's 
>> smallest iPhones.
>>
>> Apparently, the iPhone Mini was a very popular line, so there was some 
>> dissapointment when a new version wasn't released this year.
>>
>> I'm wondering though, if I get a 13 Mini, if it will be more likely to go 
>> obsolete before an SE model or a standard 14 model.
>>
>> If that is unlikely, then I'm kind of leaning toward that model. It's still 
>> for sale on the Apple site and from Verizon, which is our carrier.
>>
>> The SE is close to the same size as the Mini, although according to what 
>> I've read, it has a smaller screen but a bigger body. A lower screen 
>> resolution too, but that doesn't matter to me.
>>
>> Evan
>>
>>
>>> On 10/20/2022 10:48 PM, llump...@austin.rr.com wrote:
>>> Susan and I both have the SE3 and like them very much.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Evan Reese
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 9:11 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: I'm in the Market for a Small iPhone
>>>
>>> Hey Guys,
>>>
>>> I meant to mention that I saw an iPhone 13 Mini not too long ago that 
>>> looked like just the thing if I want a small model, but someone else told 
>>> me that they weren't making newer models of that one.
>>>
>>> Is that true?
>>>
>>> Thanks much.
>>>
>>> Evan
>>>
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RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[chrisjudge1967]

I have had the same sim card now since my iPhone 5S. Each time I get a new one 
I just pop the card out and put it in the new one. Easy peasy.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
Sent: October 19, 2022 8:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

The sad reality is, every time Apple shows "courage " look out, it means that 
somethings about to get taken away. Just like every time something is done in 
the name of "safety" it usually means some right or liberty is about to get 
taken away, that's as far as I'll go into that on this list though. Good luck 
in being able to get the phone that you want with a Sim tray. For my part, I'm 
going to hold onto my SE3 which is working quite nicely and suiting my needs. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I'd expect it to just work. I get the situation where people want to be able 
> to use multiple phones by just switching out the SIM card, but that's not 
> something I'm interested in doing. When I got my iPhone 11, the person at the 
> AT store basically just handed me my phone and I could walk out of the 
> store with it. I asked if there was something we needed to do, like swap the 
> SIM card, and he said no, it was all good. It was the easiest it's ever been 
> for me to get a new phone, and it was the least amount of time I've ever 
> spent in a carrier's store.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> When I got my 13 pro max, I put in my sim card from my iPhone 8 for the first 
> time.  It was surprisingly easy.  I wonder what would happen if I took the 
> sim card from my 13 pro max and put it back into my iPhone 8.
> 
>> On 10/19/22, dandrews...@comcast.net  wrote:
>> I am not an expert in these things, but I think that phones in 
>> specific countries are set up to use the cell bands in use in that 
>> country, so if you buy one from outside the United States, you could have 
>> problems, in theory.
>> I could be wrong, but if it were me, I would investigate.
>> 
>> Well, actually if it were me which I am, I just got a simless 14 Pro.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of lenron brown
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 4:36 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
>> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>> 
>> 13 pro max, unless you order from outside the states. This is pretty 
>> much the only way, unless you have someone buy it and send it to you.
>> being someone that loves having the freedom to swap devices I get not 
>> wanting this 14 pro max.
>> 
>>> On 10/19/22, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>> I do the same, Regina, get the store person to get my phone going.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of regina alvarado
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:18 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
>>> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>> 
>>> It’s an interesting question. I keep getting the message on my 13 
>>> promax that I don’t have a Sim card, and I Have to say okay each time.
>>> Is there a way to get this off my phone or am I supposed to have a 
>>> SIM card? By the way, what is a SIM card? My education is lacking.
>>> I’m not sure I’ve ever had one. I always have my phones Put together 
>>> by a person at the store for whatever company I’ve been with, and 
>>> never have they ask me for my Sim card.
>>> Anyway, just a little confused. Thanks for any help you can give me, 
>>> and sorry that I’m asking a stupid question.
>>> Reggie Alvarado
>>> 
 On Oct 19, 2022, at 2:29 PM, Peter Logan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone.
>>> 
 On Oct 19, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
 
 I have the same question.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of llump...@austin.rr.com
 Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
 
 My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works 
 just fine?
 

RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[chrisjudge1967]

If you did that your iPhone 8 would be your active phone again.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: October 19, 2022 7:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

Interesting, Joshua. Are you going to try? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 6:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

When I got my 13 pro max, I put in my sim card from my iPhone 8 for the first 
time.  It was surprisingly easy.  I wonder what would happen if I took the sim 
card from my 13 pro max and put it back into my iPhone 8.

On 10/19/22, dandrews...@comcast.net  wrote:
> I am not an expert in these things, but I think that phones in 
> specific countries are set up to use the cell bands in use in that 
> country, so if you buy one from outside the United States, you could have 
> problems, in theory.
> I could be wrong, but if it were me, I would investigate.
>
> Well, actually if it were me which I am, I just got a simless 14 Pro.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> lenron brown
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 4:36 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> 13 pro max, unless you order from outside the states. This is pretty 
> much the only way, unless you have someone buy it and send it to you.
> being someone that loves having the freedom to swap devices I get not 
> wanting this 14 pro max.
>
> On 10/19/22, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> I do the same, Regina, get the store person to get my phone going.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of regina alvarado
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:18 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
>> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>
>> It’s an interesting question. I keep getting the message on my 13 
>> promax that I don’t have a Sim card, and I Have to say okay each time.
>> Is there a way to get this off my phone or am I supposed to have a 
>> SIM card? By the way, what is a SIM card? My education is lacking.
>> I’m not sure I’ve ever had one. I always have my phones Put together 
>> by a person at the store for whatever company I’ve been with, and 
>> never have they ask me for my Sim card.
>> Anyway, just a little confused. Thanks for any help you can give me, 
>> and sorry that I’m asking a stupid question.
>> Reggie Alvarado
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 2:29 PM, Peter Logan  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Sent from my IPhone.
>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have the same question.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of llump...@austin.rr.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
>>> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>>
>>> My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works 
>>> just fine?
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of M.
>>> Taylor
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro 
>>> Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>>
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>
>>> And so it begins.
>>>
>>> I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at 
>>> iPhone
>>> 14 Pro Max.
>>>
>>> It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.
>>>
>>> While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised 
>>> to learn that, according to him, the store has been inundated  by 
>>> customers who only want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray.
>>> He told me that they are working on crafting an in-store response to 
>>> the enquiries designed to discouraged customers from seeking a 
>>> physical SIM tray.  He followed that up by saying, "I know you, 
>>> Mark, and no response is going to keep you from getting that SIM 
>>> tray model, if that is what you want."
>>> (smile)  He is a very smart man (smile).
>>>
>>> So, the search begins.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know away to purchase an iPhone 14 Pro Max with a 
>>> physical SIM tray, from within the United States?
>>>
>>> Some people are 

RE: Strange issue with my app switcher

[chrisjudge1967]

Yes I get that as well. I'm using a 13 pro.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Barry 
Abbott
Sent: October 14, 2022 8:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Strange issue with my app switcher

Hello, all I noticed that when I open the app switcher there seems to be two 
occurrences of the app. For example, if I had just mail open, I would hear the 
word mail and then if I swipe to the right, it would say mail button and then I 
can flick up and close it if I do not swipe to the second Word I can’t close 
it. I wonder if anyone else is having this issue? I’m not sure if I phrased it 
very well, but it seems bizarre to me. 

Sent from Barry Abbott’s iPhone

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RE: "a question about updating

[chrisjudge1967]

That's what I’m getting as well.


Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: October 8, 2022 2:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: "a question about updating

All I get is Sorry, I can't recognize music right now.
I have tried later, about an hour apart including just now, and nothing.

However, if I simply have Siri open Shazam, it identifies the song quickly.  
And, something I just noticed, there is a button to get the lyrics of the song. 
 That is something I will use more now that I paid attention to the Shazam 
screen.
Now, I do not subscribe to Apple Music, so wondering if those who are having 
success, have that subscription?

Just seems very odd that some people get answer while others do not.




Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2022 10:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: "a question about updating

I have an iPhone 13 pro max updated to the latest version of IOS.  My Siri 
correctly identifies songs if I ask her what song is playing, she gives me the 
correct answer.  I think the song has to be actually playing when you ask her 
the question to work correctly.  I have also been able to tell Siri to Hang up 
on a call and it works correctly as well.

On 10/8/22, Richard Turner  wrote:
> I just re-read their original message, they said, confusingly, the 
> iPhone SE
> 20 first generation.  That is not what it was called, it was called 
> the SE 2nd generation or the SE 2020 and then this year, the SE 2022, 
> i.e. SE 3rd generation,  was released.  The SE 1st gen was the smaller 
> one released in 2016, which apparently is not what they have after all.
>
> Both SE 2022 and 2020 can be updated to iOS 16.
>
> There was no SE in 2021.
>
> I hope that is all sorted now.
>
>
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”
>  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Donna Casteen
> Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2022 10:03 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: "a question about updating
>
> Richard, why can't both iPhones be updated to IOS 16.02? I have an 
> iPhone Se
> 2020 & their iPhone is a Se 2021. My phone can be updated & their 
> phone is newer than mine. Confused here
>
> Donna
>
>>
>> One word answers are not useful, especially when one of the phones 
>> mentioned cannot update to iOS 16.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard, USA.
>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch 
>> with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in 
>> the Universe
>>
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Mr Ed
>> Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2022 9:45 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: "a question about updating
>>
>> Yes
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Lelia Struve
>> Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2022 10:00 AM
>> To: Viphone 
>> Subject: "a question about updating
>>
>> Hi, so my question is this, for those who have either an s e 20 first 
>> gen, or an iPhone 11, would you update to the latest IOS or no? Thanks.
>>
>> Lelia
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: screen curtain query

[chrisjudge1967]

This is only so if zoom is running as well. If zoom isn’t running it’s a three 
finger tripple tap for screen curtain and a three finger double tap to mute 
speech.

 

Chris Judge

  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: October 8, 2022 10:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: screen curtain query

 

Hi 

 

To turn off screen curtain it is a 3 fingers quadruple tap, the 3 fingers 
triple tap it is to turn off or on the screen speech. 

Best 

 

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RE: working at amazon

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Best bet is to apply and see what happens. I’m guessing if you meet the 
qualifications and skill set they are looking for, well go ahead and apply. It 
costs nothing.

 

Chris Judge

  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Afik 
Souffir
Sent: October 8, 2022 5:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: working at amazon

 

Its not, I just don’t know where to ask. I’m sorry.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Lynn 
White
Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2022 11:05 AM
To: 'Afik Souffir' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: working at amazon

 

How does this relate to phones?

On 10/8/2022 2:54 AM, 'Afik Souffir' via VIPhone wrote:

 

 

Hi,

 

Does Amazon employ blind people? 

I saw a job in Israel, and applied, but I had a negative past with so many 
companies, according to my blindness, so, I don’t know… 

 

Many companies just rejected me because of my disability. 

 

 

Thanks much,

 

Afik

 

 

 

 

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RE: Text Messaging Question

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I find if I’ve just added a contact and attempt to send a message using siri 
for the first time I get the message failed to send. Not always, but quite 
frequently. If I go in and manually compose and send the text it works fine. 
The next time I send with siri it seems fine as well.

 

From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  
Sent: October 5, 2022 12:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Text Messaging Question

 

It happens to me too, even when I am sending text messages to people with 
iPhones!

Harry UK 





On 5 Oct 2022, at 16:06, Carla mailto:carlarae5...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Quite often I get a message failed to send error.  I’ve noticed it usually 
happens when I send to someone who has an Android phone.  Is there any place in 
settings that can fix this problem?  Thanks.

 

Carla

 

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RE: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the Rotor

[chrisjudge1967]

Hi. Go to settings, accessibility, voice over. Near the bottom is an option for 
quick settings. You have to go in there and select the things you wish to 
appear in voice over quick settings. The process is similar to adding and 
removing things from the router, you can select, deselect and reorder things.

 

Chris Judge

  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Holly
Sent: October 4, 2022 7:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not 
the Rotor

 

Mike:

 

Screen recognition is not in my Voice Over quick settings either, and I am 
running 16.02 on a SE 2020.

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RE: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the Rotor

[chrisjudge1967]

I keep all my voice over settings under voice over quick settings now. I have 
taken all that stuff out of the router.

 

Chris Judge

  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: October 3, 2022 9:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the 
Rotor

 

After my experience with the BARDMobile app and screen recognition accidentally 
getting turned on, I have taken it out of the rotor and put it in Quick 
Settings.

The advantage is that it cannot be accidentally turned on.

Until Apple fixes the Rotor so it doesn’t randomly change what is focused, 
accidentally turning on various settings will happen.

This one can reak havvoc, so moving it to Quick Settings will lessen the 
problems it can cause while leaving it available for those places where it may 
be useful.

To open Quick Settings, do a two finger quadruple tap.  Find the setting you 
want to enable and do a one finger double tap.

 

HTH,

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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

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RE: ending call with side button.

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I've only tried it with calls I've placed myself, but it doesn't work for me 
either.

Chris Judge


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: October 1, 2022 3:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: ending call with side button.

I have found that it only works if the call originates from a landline.
If the call comes from a cell phone, it doesn't hang up the call.
Write Apple Accessibility please, accessibil...@apple.com




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Maynard
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: ending call with side button.

hi,

I have upgraded from a iPHone6+ to a 14 pro.  Huge leap.  I have 
settings|accessability|touch|prevent ending call with side button turned
off.  When I try to end a call with the side button for some reason it does not 
hang it up.  I have tired toggaling it on/off  then  powering off/on the phone 
and it will still not work.  Anyone have sujestions anything else to try?  I 
think this would really be convenient but, for some reason  it will not work. I 
am not sure why.
 Any help appreciated,
B. J. Maynard 

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RE: Is the Capital One app accessible?

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HI. I’m in Canada and have a capital one master card. The app for IOS is fully 
accessible.

 

Chris Judge

  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: September 24, 2022 5:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Is the Capital One app accessible?

 

It was suggested that I set up a Capital One 360 Savings account. I’ve poked 
around the app without actually creating an account yet, and it seems pretty 
straightforward and accessible. I know I can set up an account for free, but 
before I go down that path, I’d like to know if anyone else has used the 
Capital One app and whether it’s all accessible or not. Thanks!

 

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Chaltain at Outlook

 

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RE: OT: Accessible Ice Maker

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The ones I had both had two buttons. One was to turn the ice maker on and off 
and the other was to adjust the size of the ice cubes.

 

 

Chris Judge

  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 19, 2022 5:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: OT: Accessible Ice Maker

 

First of all I don't think there is any need to label your message as off topic 
if you are asking about an accessible device.

I am just amazed that such icemakers have settings which require controls 
whether digital or analogue, what sort of stuff can you adjust?

. We have an icemaker in our fridge and as far as I know you can't set anything 
except turn it on or off, when it's on it makes ice cubes and when it's off it 
doesn't.

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
blindfait...@gmail.com  
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 1:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: OT: Accessible Ice Maker

 

Hello,

 

My wife and I are looking to buy a counter top ice maker and we are wondering 
if anyone makes a machine that is accessible to someone who can’t see. I have 
been researching this on Amazon and the Internet, but I can’t seem to locate 
one that has real buttons instead of a flat panel which we cannot feel the 
difference between the various settings. Is there anyone on the list that has 
been able find such an accessible ice maker?

 

Thank You,

 

 

 

 

Scott Rumery

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RE: Accessible Ice Maker

[chrisjudge1967]

Hi. I’ve used 2 different ice makers. The first one was, I believe a Danby and 
the other was kitchen aid. Both of them had physical buttons. From experience 
they don’t last all that long and are apparently a real bugger to clean.

 

Chris Judge

  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: September 19, 2022 5:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: OT: Accessible Ice Maker

 

Hello,

 

My wife and I are looking to buy a counter top ice maker and we are wondering 
if anyone makes a machine that is accessible to someone who can’t see. I have 
been researching this on Amazon and the Internet, but I can’t seem to locate 
one that has real buttons instead of a flat panel which we cannot feel the 
difference between the various settings. Is there anyone on the list that has 
been able find such an accessible ice maker?

 

Thank You,

 

 

 

 

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RE: Startup/Shutdown sounds

[chrisjudge1967]

Is there a shut down sound as well?

 

Chris Judge

  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: September 16, 2022 5:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Startup/Shutdown sounds

 

The only problem is it iPhone 14 pro and pro maxes only.

 

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Kudos to Apple for the implementation of the startup and shutdown sounds.  I 
was skeptical as to how they were going to implement this ..  in my mind they 
did it right!

 

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RE: How useful to blind users is the Lidar sensor?

[chrisjudge1967]

>From what I understood lidar is necessary for all of these things. I could be 
>mistaken but I'm sure I recall hearing that.

Chris Judge


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It has been marginally useful for some things, but with iOS 16 and the door 
detection feature, it should become more useful for people who travel where 
they need to find a door into a building or an office.

I think GoodMaps Explore is beginning to incorporate it.

The Image description in the Magnifier now even recognizes light switches on 
the wall.  If you go to hotels much, this could be useful as well.
Now, Door, image, and people detection may not need LIDAR unless you want to 
know how far away the item is; but I'm not sure since I only have the 13 pro, 
so I cannot test on something without LIDAR.

Seeing AI and other apps use it, but their image database is pretty small.

HTH,


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Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 8:26 AM
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Hi listers,
I can imagine that the Lidar sensor on the iPhone has great accessibility 
potentials. If there is any reason for me to have the urge to upgrade from XR 
to 14 pro is to have lidar on my phone. For those of you who have phones with 
lidar, how useful this has been so far? I am very curious.
I hope to hear your opinions on the subject.
Cheers

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RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot

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Do you know which voice he has set as his voice over voice?

Chris Judge


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Sent: September 15, 2022 10:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot

I have a friend, who has a 13 Pro, that experienced the same issue as described 
earlier. He turned it off overnight, and this morning, VoiceOver would not 
respond when he turned it on. Neither turning up the volume, nor doing the 
three-finger double tap would fix it. He said the clicks he heard when touching 
the screen were not the clicks heard when speech simply had been turned off.  
He had to get a sighted person to enter his pass code before it would work. He 
is a good iphone user, he said that nothing he tried would get it to work. I 
hope these are isolated incidents, I put it out there for others to test. He 
said that he had had no problem with IOS 16, until this incident. 

Arnold Schmidt 


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RE: Sharing: James Patterson - Blowback

[chrisjudge1967]

Gee thanks, I was about to buy this book from audible.

 

Chris Judge

  

 

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Villeda
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To: Noe Villeda 
Subject: Sharing: James Patterson - Blowback

 

Enjoy!

 

 

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1h8z0art57b8fn3/James%20Patterson%2C%20Brendan%20DuBois%20-%20Blowback.zip?dl=1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: now the phone won't talk

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This issue was discussed earlier. What voice are you using for voice over? I 
understand people who are experiencing this issue are using one of the siri 
voices.

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Sent: September 14, 2022 5:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: now the phone won't talk

Have you checked Mute, or even tried to get it to talk and turn up Volume?

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Hello Deidre,

I am so sorry that you are experiencing this; what a nightmare.

Please let us know what the solution to the problem is, okay?

Fingers Crossed,

Mark


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To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: now the phone won't talk

Hey all
When I booted up my phone after updating last night, all was more or less well. 
Voice over worked, though it was a bit glitchey at first, so I had to turn it 
on and off at least once. I was asked for my passcode, and and I was in.
   I did not see a place to tell the phone not to require a 
passcode, and I did not tell it to use a thumb print or facial recognition. Is 
not requiring a passcode an option any longer? I'm wondering if that is what 
has led to the problem I am now having.
I turned my phone off in the middle of the night so that I would resist 
engaging with it during the night. This morning when I powered on, voice over 
would not turn on. It still will not turn on and I don't have a Siri noise 
either. The phone clicks and it will ring, but I no longer can activate 
anything knowingly. This is really a drag because it means I have to get 
downtown to a computer shop to ask them to figure it out. I hope  I can turn 
the screen curtain off at least, or they can, cause I set the brightness to 0 
rather than on auto which leaves it as 42 of it's own accord, even though there 
is not a soul around that needed to look at the screen and 42% seemed high.
   My guess is that the click sounds are digits I am tapping though 
there is no way to know what is on the screen right now, nor which of those 
clicks is a particular number.
  I thought updating would be a breeze but I've got 
at least one  more hurdle to jump over. I can't even seem to turn the phone off 
and in I Tunes on the laptop, iphone doesn't show, just my music library. Some 
of my apps would no longer work without any explanation at all, so I figured it 
was time. My old 6S still works just fine so at least that is talking to me and 
letting me know what alerts are set on both phones.  

   Deidre
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RE: Novelty voices

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I’m a Samantha fan myself.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther 
Levegnale
Sent: September 14, 2022 12:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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I use the Samantha voice as well. I like it very much. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!





On Sep 14, 2022, at 10:34 AM, Kathy Blackburn mailto:kblac...@austin.rr.com> > wrote:



In my opinion, the Kathy voice is dreadful. I went back to Samantha.

Kathy Blackburn
kblac...@austin.rr.com  

On Sep 13, 2022 11:29 AM, CHELA Robles mailto:cdrobles...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Apparently, there are weird people out there that like those weird novelties it 
brings some sort of nos nostalgia or something. right now I’m using eloquence, 
but I have a habit of changing to other natural voices from time to time. I did 
try good news and it freaked me out a bit too. But I understood since it was 
all in English it was just singing to me. Anyway, how do you like Stephanie?

Sent from my iPhone

 

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  wrote:



I just updated to IOS 16.

Why on earth did they include novelty voices?

They are awful! And so weird!

Who’ll even use them?

I am using the UK voice, stephanie right now.

Shirley

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RE: New voices iOS 16

[chrisjudge1967]

If there was ever a perfect paul for eloquence it must have been quite some 
time ago.

 

Chris Judge

  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kevin 
Minor
Sent: September 14, 2022 12:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New voices iOS 16

 

Hi again.

 

Spell check fixed something which broke it. The voice should be Uppity Urcilla.

 

Kevin, Valerie and Jilly

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Kevin Minor
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 11:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: New voices iOS 16

 

Hi.

 

There is no Paul voice in Eloquence. I looked in both JAWS and Voiceover under 
Eloquence, and it’s not there.

 

If you’re thinking of Perfect Paul, that’s from good old Dec Talk. I do wish 
that were available, but it’s not. Remember another Dec Talk voice called 
Uppity Cruella? I remember that one as well.

 

Kevin, Valerie and Jilly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Anthony Vece
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 8:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: New voices iOS 16

 

I am trying to find the eloquence voice called perfect Paul. When I use Jaws 
that’s the voice I always used. I can’t find it. Does anyone know where it is? 
Thank you.

Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro!!

 

On Sep 14, 2022, at 8:34 AM, Tom Rash mailto:dadnthed...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I am using the enhanced version of Tom.  It sounds a little muddy though.  I 
notice that some of the voices sound a little muddy even with the enhanced 
version.  Maybe things will clear up in a while.dd

 

On Sep 14, 2022, at 4:18 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

 

I have been looking forward to eloquence for a while now. I’ve been using it 
all day yesterday and I’m not sure I like it. It sounds kind of muddy. I’m 
using a 13 pro.

 

Chris Judge

  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: September 12, 2022 7:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: New voices iOS 16

 

Well, I used to use Eloquence on my PC and then I switched to eSpeak when I was 
using Linux. Now that I’m an old man, I figure I deserve a nice quality voice, 
and I’m not in a hurry like I was when I wore a younger man’s clothes!

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Outlook

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
CHELA Robles
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 5:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: New voices iOS 16

 

Her voice sounds really good. Premium quality is amazing on some of those 
voices that offer all three voice types. By the way, it was kind of funny to 
read your message. Christopher with the good news, voice singing your whole 
email message quite interesting. Indeed I switched it to eloquence though, 
because then I can hear it at a much faster speed that I’m used to reading 
emails in on my windows, computer. I usually have it set to 70% on my computer 
if you were wondering.

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Sep 12, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Christopher Chaltain mailto:chalt...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

I was already a fan of Ava, so I can’t wait to check out the premium version!

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Outlook

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:08 PM
To: ViPone list mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: New voices iOS 16

 

I personally like the following new voices.

Scotland, Fiona enhanced, UK Jamie premium, and Ava prrmium.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Richard

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com 

 

 

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RE: New voices iOS 16

[chrisjudge1967]

Ok I don’t remember paul for eloquence. I remember Reed and Glenn.

 

Chris Judge

  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
alvarado
Sent: September 14, 2022 12:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New voices iOS 16

 

There was a Paul in eloquence. I used to use it on jaws. Also a very long time 
ago. I wondered where he went in eloquence also. Not sure that breed, if he is, 
the Paul, is quite what I remember. He was a lot more clear. I finally went 
back to Tom, and, as was said, it’s a little muddy, but he seems to be getting 
clearer as time goes on. 

Reggie Alvarado 


On Sep 14, 2022, at 9:53 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com 
  wrote:



I thought that was a dec talk voice. I don’t recall perfect paul ever being 
available in eloquence.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Anthony Vece
Sent: September 14, 2022 9:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: New voices iOS 16

 

I am trying to find the eloquence voice called perfect Paul. When I use Jaws 
that’s the voice I always used. I can’t find it. Does anyone know where it is? 
Thank you.

Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro!!






On Sep 14, 2022, at 8:34 AM, Tom Rash mailto:dadnthed...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I am using the enhanced version of Tom.  It sounds a little muddy though.  I 
notice that some of the voices sound a little muddy even with the enhanced 
version.  Maybe things will clear up in a while.dd






On Sep 14, 2022, at 4:18 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

 

I have been looking forward to eloquence for a while now. I’ve been using it 
all day yesterday and I’m not sure I like it. It sounds kind of muddy. I’m 
using a 13 pro.

 

Chris Judge

  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: September 12, 2022 7:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: New voices iOS 16

 

Well, I used to use Eloquence on my PC and then I switched to eSpeak when I was 
using Linux. Now that I’m an old man, I figure I deserve a nice quality voice, 
and I’m not in a hurry like I was when I wore a younger man’s clothes!

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Outlook

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
CHELA Robles
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 5:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: New voices iOS 16

 

Her voice sounds really good. Premium quality is amazing on some of those 
voices that offer all three voice types. By the way, it was kind of funny to 
read your message. Christopher with the good news, voice singing your whole 
email message quite interesting. Indeed I switched it to eloquence though, 
because then I can hear it at a much faster speed that I’m used to reading 
emails in on my windows, computer. I usually have it set to 70% on my computer 
if you were wondering.

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Sep 12, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Christopher Chaltain mailto:chalt...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

I was already a fan of Ava, so I can’t wait to check out the premium version!

 

--

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Chaltain at Outlook

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:08 PM
To: ViPone list mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: New voices iOS 16

 

I personally like the following new voices.

Scotland, Fiona enhanced, UK Jamie premium, and Ava prrmium.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Richard

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com 

 

 

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RE: New voices iOS 16

[chrisjudge1967]

I thought that was a dec talk voice. I don’t recall perfect paul ever being 
available in eloquence.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anthony 
Vece
Sent: September 14, 2022 9:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New voices iOS 16

 

I am trying to find the eloquence voice called perfect Paul. When I use Jaws 
that’s the voice I always used. I can’t find it. Does anyone know where it is? 
Thank you.

Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro!!





On Sep 14, 2022, at 8:34 AM, Tom Rash mailto:dadnthed...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I am using the enhanced version of Tom.  It sounds a little muddy though.  I 
notice that some of the voices sound a little muddy even with the enhanced 
version.  Maybe things will clear up in a while.dd





On Sep 14, 2022, at 4:18 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

 

I have been looking forward to eloquence for a while now. I’ve been using it 
all day yesterday and I’m not sure I like it. It sounds kind of muddy. I’m 
using a 13 pro.

 

Chris Judge

  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: September 12, 2022 7:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: New voices iOS 16

 

Well, I used to use Eloquence on my PC and then I switched to eSpeak when I was 
using Linux. Now that I’m an old man, I figure I deserve a nice quality voice, 
and I’m not in a hurry like I was when I wore a younger man’s clothes!

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Outlook

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
CHELA Robles
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 5:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: New voices iOS 16

 

Her voice sounds really good. Premium quality is amazing on some of those 
voices that offer all three voice types. By the way, it was kind of funny to 
read your message. Christopher with the good news, voice singing your whole 
email message quite interesting. Indeed I switched it to eloquence though, 
because then I can hear it at a much faster speed that I’m used to reading 
emails in on my windows, computer. I usually have it set to 70% on my computer 
if you were wondering.

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Sep 12, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Christopher Chaltain mailto:chalt...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

I was already a fan of Ava, so I can’t wait to check out the premium version!

 

--

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Chaltain at Outlook

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:08 PM
To: ViPone list mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: New voices iOS 16

 

I personally like the following new voices.

Scotland, Fiona enhanced, UK Jamie premium, and Ava prrmium.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Richard

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com 

 

 

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RE: Side Button Doesn't bring Up Siri After Update to iOS16?

[chrisjudge1967]

Unfortunately this also raises the volume of her voice. It would be nice to 
adjust the volume of the sound without raising the voice.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: September 14, 2022 9:14 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Side Button Doesn't bring Up Siri After Update to iOS16?

 

There is.  Next time you invoke Siri, turn up the volume while you are asking 
your request.  That did it for me.  





On Sep 14, 2022, at 4:56 AM, Noe Villeda mailto:noeville...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I wish there was a way to raise the volume of the Siri tone, it is pretty low.

 

 

 

From: 'Lynda' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 7:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  ; 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com  
Subject: Re: Side Button Doesn't bring Up Siri After Update to iOS16?

 

I miss the old sound.  The new one is very quiet.

It would be nice to have a choice.

 

Lynda and Missy

On 9/14/2022 7:50 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

Hi. Are you sure you’re just not hearing the sound? The siri sound has changed 
and is a lot more suttle now. I didn’t think siri was working at first either.

 

Chris Judge

  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com    
  On Behalf Of Fazil 
M.
Sent: September 12, 2022 9:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Side Button Doesn't bring Up Siri After Update to iOS16? 

 

Hi, Group.

In my iPhone12, Side-Button doesn’t evoke Siri since I have updated to iOS16, 
what should I do?

Thanks!

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RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[chrisjudge1967]

And even if they crack the code they might find resetting the phone challenging 
without the apple password.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 13, 2022 4:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You have to realize that many iPhone which get stolen and are locked with a 
passcode and Face Id/Touch Id are simply broken down for parts and shipped off 
to places like Asia, South America and so on where they then sell the 
batteries, screens and so on. Nobody who steels a locked iPhone can crack a 
well chosen 6-digit PIN by which I mean they may try 123456 or 11 or 112233 
and you'd be surprised that there are probably people who use such codes.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 7:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

That is what I think for the most part. Probably, somewhere, there is some 
rotten egg that could figure it out, but for the most part, scum who steal 
phones probably would not know what to do with it and would just pitch it. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 4:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

It would actually be interesting to see how a sighted thief who has know 
knowledge of voice over would handle it. They'd probably get freaked out by the 
voice and toss the phone away.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 12, 2022 3:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably 
more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Why didn't she use her own phone?
My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic 
options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd 
make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. 
Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. 
It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to 
react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna
 
> 
> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to 
> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature 
> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to 
> learn something new.
> 
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RE: Record audio button has gone in iMessage

[chrisjudge1967]

I just did it. It works great.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Paula 
Jordan
Sent: September 13, 2022 3:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Record audio button has gone in iMessage

When I listened to Jonathan Mosen's podcast he said you can now ask Siri to 
make an audio message.  Don't know about that from my own experience since I'm 
going to wait a bit to update to IOS 16.
God bless!
Paula and the pups

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 1:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Record audio button has gone in iMessage

If they are movable, flicking up or down gets you to the option, move up, etc., 
then double tap.



Richard
“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

My web site: https://www.turner42.com
礪

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 10:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Record audio button has gone in iMessage

How do you move these?  Do you tap on apps?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 1:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Record audio button has gone in iMessage

I had to do one more step.
I flicked up to remove, but when I was done, they were all still there.
I went back and found that after removing them again, I found them in the list 
after the word favorites, and then when flicking up, the option was delete.
That took care of it.

Other than Photos and Store, if you want more than just Audio there, you can 
also move them up and down in the list to put the things you use most closer to 
the beginning of the list.

HTH,


Richard
“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

My web site: https://www.turner42.com
礪

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 10:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Record audio button has gone in iMessage

Hi all,
If you are one that uses the audio message feature daily, I would highly 
recommend that you manage the messaging apps. You can remove all the clutter by 
removing the apps that you don’t need and then it won’t be a big deal to leave 
the apps expanded. Follow these instructions to remove apps:
One. Open messages app.
Two. Access one of your context conversations.
Three. Expand apps, if it’s not already.
Four. Scroll through all the apps, until you find more and activate it.
Five. Here, you can swipe up and delete the apps that you don’t need to have in 
this section.

Note: you cannot delete photos and store, but you can remove the rest to 
minimize clutter. This will not delete apps from your phone, simply removes 
these messaging appS from being in the way. You can always add them later by 
following the above steps.
Hope that helps
Feliciano
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> On Sep 13, 2022, at 9:43 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> The Record button, now just called Audio, is buried in with the extra 
> buttons for photos, store, etc.  If like me, you had hidden those buttons 
> because they are distracting, you will have to unhide them to do an audio 
> message.  Kind of annoying, though I never send audio text messages, but this 
> seems like an extra step that shouldn't be needed.
> 
> If you have the Apps hidden, flick left from the message text to the Apps 
> icon and triple tap.  Now, below the text and before the keyboard are all the 
> app icons.  Audio for me is I think the third one.
> Triple tap that apps button again to hide all that clutter.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
> which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 礪
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rafal 
> Marzec
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 2:07 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Record audio button has gone in iMessage
> 
> Hello everyone, I don’t know if you’ve noticed that but in iOS 16 the record 
> audio button which is available in iMessage before you start typing has gone 
> and now in this place we’ve got dictate button Do you know if this 
> possibility still exist?
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RE: Record audio button has gone in iMessage

[chrisjudge1967]

This is an excellent tip, thanks.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: September 13, 2022 2:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Record audio button has gone in iMessage

Hi all,
If you are one that uses the audio message feature daily, I would highly 
recommend that you manage the messaging apps. You can remove all the clutter by 
removing the apps that you don’t need and then it won’t be a big deal to leave 
the apps expanded. Follow these instructions to remove apps:
One. Open messages app.
Two. Access one of your context conversations.
Three. Expand apps, if it’s not already.
Four. Scroll through all the apps, until you find more and activate it.
Five. Here, you can swipe up and delete the apps that you don’t need to have in 
this section.

Note: you cannot delete photos and store, but you can remove the rest to 
minimize clutter. This will not delete apps from your phone, simply removes 
these messaging appS from being in the way. You can always add them later by 
following the above steps.
Hope that helps
Feliciano
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> On Sep 13, 2022, at 9:43 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> The Record button, now just called Audio, is buried in with the extra 
> buttons for photos, store, etc.  If like me, you had hidden those buttons 
> because they are distracting, you will have to unhide them to do an audio 
> message.  Kind of annoying, though I never send audio text messages, but this 
> seems like an extra step that shouldn't be needed.
> 
> If you have the Apps hidden, flick left from the message text to the Apps 
> icon and triple tap.  Now, below the text and before the keyboard are all the 
> app icons.  Audio for me is I think the third one.
> Triple tap that apps button again to hide all that clutter.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rafal 
> Marzec
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 2:07 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Record audio button has gone in iMessage
> 
> Hello everyone, I don’t know if you’ve noticed that but in iOS 16 the record 
> audio button which is available in iMessage before you start typing has gone 
> and now in this place we’ve got dictate button Do you know if this 
> possibility still exist?
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RE: Scheduling email

[chrisjudge1967]

I just tried it. How annoying. You can change the date no problem but not the 
time.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: September 13, 2022 9:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Scheduling email

You triple tap on the Send button, then you get the choices, send at 9PM, 8AM 
tomorrow, or Send Later.
If you are not using VoiceOver, the Send Later option has a time picker.  I 
could not get it to work with VoiceOver but my wife could do it without 
VoiceOver running.
I wrote Apple Accessibility about this yesterday.  



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
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Where on the email do you do a double tap and hold or 
triple tap? 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chris 
Chaffin
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 7:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Jonathan Mosen goes through this in his latest podcast along with a lot of ios 
16 features.  I would recommend giving it a listen.

After composing an email, if you do a double tap and hold, or a triple tap, you 
can then choose when you want to send the email.

Hope this helps.

Chris


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> Hello everyone, I’ve got just a quick question do you know where can I find 
> an option to schedule email in iOS 16?
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RE: Ending a call with side button VoiceOver iOS16

[chrisjudge1967]

It doesn't work for me either.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rafal 
Marzec
Sent: September 13, 2022 6:10 AM
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Subject: Re: Ending a call with side button VoiceOver iOS16

I’m also interested how to do it I’ve got iPhone 13 Pro Max do you know how to 
set up it

Sent from my iPhone

> On 13 Sep 2022, at 6:48 am, Shai  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> I tried to end a call using the sleep/wake button on my iPhone10r
> iOS16 with VoiceOver; however, I noticed that it did not end a call 
> when pressed. I tried both against my ear and while on speaker phone.
> Has anyone gotten this feature to work and if so, how did you do it? I 
> made sure that prevent lock button from ending call is turned to off 
> under accessibility/touch.
> 
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RE: Side Button Doesn't bring Up Siri After Update to iOS16?

[chrisjudge1967]

Hi. Are you sure you’re just not hearing the sound? The siri sound has changed 
and is a lot more suttle now. I didn’t think siri was working at first either.

 

Chris Judge

  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fazil M.
Sent: September 12, 2022 9:53 PM
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Subject: Side Button Doesn't bring Up Siri After Update to iOS16? 

 

Hi, Group.

In my iPhone12, Side-Button doesn’t evoke Siri since I have updated to iOS16, 
what should I do?

Thanks!

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RE: New voices iOS 16

[chrisjudge1967]

I have been looking forward to eloquence for a while now. I’ve been using it 
all day yesterday and I’m not sure I like it. It sounds kind of muddy. I’m 
using a 13 pro.

 

Chris Judge

  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: September 12, 2022 7:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New voices iOS 16

 

Well, I used to use Eloquence on my PC and then I switched to eSpeak when I was 
using Linux. Now that I’m an old man, I figure I deserve a nice quality voice, 
and I’m not in a hurry like I was when I wore a younger man’s clothes!

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
CHELA Robles
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 5:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: New voices iOS 16

 

Her voice sounds really good. Premium quality is amazing on some of those 
voices that offer all three voice types. By the way, it was kind of funny to 
read your message. Christopher with the good news, voice singing your whole 
email message quite interesting. Indeed I switched it to eloquence though, 
because then I can hear it at a much faster speed that I’m used to reading 
emails in on my windows, computer. I usually have it set to 70% on my computer 
if you were wondering.

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Sep 12, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Christopher Chaltain mailto:chalt...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

I was already a fan of Ava, so I can’t wait to check out the premium version!

 

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Richard Turner
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Subject: New voices iOS 16

 

I personally like the following new voices.

Scotland, Fiona enhanced, UK Jamie premium, and Ava prrmium.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: New Siri sound

[chrisjudge1967]

I kind of like it but I can see where it might be an issue for folks with 
hearing loss.

Chris Judge


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Sent: September 12, 2022 4:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Siri sound

There really isn't anything you can do about it to get the old sound back.  It 
sounds like the echo sound to me.

On 9/12/22, Maria Campbell  wrote:
> I don't care for the new sound to invoke Siri, as I have a hearing 
> loss, and the sound is too low to hear well, unless the volume is high.
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RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[chrisjudge1967]

It would actually be interesting to see how a sighted thief who has know 
knowledge of voice over would handle it. They'd probably get freaked out by the 
voice and toss the phone away.

Chris Judge


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 12, 2022 3:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably 
more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Why didn't she use her own phone?
My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic 
options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd 
make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. 
Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. 

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chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


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To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
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Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

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From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. 
It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to 
react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna
 
> 
> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to 
> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature 
> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to 
> learn something new.
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> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
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> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
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> 
> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face 
> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and 
> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. 
> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 
> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think 
> it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do 
> those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the 
> top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big 
> of a deal.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Dennis and Everyone,
>> 
>> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment.
>> 
>> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at 
>> worst, with iPhone release this time around.
>> 
>> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen.
>> 
>> Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T 
>> Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account 
>> settings when eSim is activated.  This is according to several 

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[chrisjudge1967]

Me as well.

 

Chris Judge

  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: September 12, 2022 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

 

I keep my phone in my pocket the only person who gets their hands on my phone 
it’s me.

Sent from my iPhone





On Sep 12, 2022, at 11:06 AM, Esther Levegnale mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:

Wow!  What a terribly sneaky thing to do to you!  I never put in Face ID, and 
was seriously thinking of doing that, but now that I read your post, I'll stick 
to my pass code.  However, what if someone sees me punching in the numbers?  
Oops!  That would be horrible if that happened.

 

I feel so badly for you.

 

Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!





On Sep 12, 2022, at 4:50 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of M. 
Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com  
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com   
mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Donna Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. 
It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to 
react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna




 

I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, and 
I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch ID. I 
find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more convenient. There 
are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to put it in front of 
my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature without it having to 
be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to learn something new.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Outlook

 

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From: vipho...@googlegroups.com   
mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten

Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM

To: vipho...@googlegroups.com  

Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

 

I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face ID, 
it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and Face ID 
works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. And I have 
to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 10r. I think 
people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think it’s hard if 
you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do those gestures 
where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the top. Try it. Put 
your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big of a deal.

 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> 
> wrote:

 

Hello Dennis and Everyone,

 

Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment.

 

I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at worst, 
with iPhone release this time around.

 

I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen.

 

Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T 
Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account 
settings when eSim is activated.  This is according to several articles I've 
read, recently.

 

I just don't know, I 

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[chrisjudge1967]

You might as well wait for the 14 pro. I don't think the cost is going to be 
much different and you will get the nice new start up chime.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: September 12, 2022 10:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Yes, and since I now have seen it demonstrated on Jonathan Mosen's podcast, my 
long-wanted iPhone 13 Mini has to go bye bye, so I can get a 13 Pro. I do want 
to wait until after an upcoming move, maybe Cyber Monday or thereabouts, but I 
just was really in to all of that description about doors and what color things 
were. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 1:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Any Pro phone starting with the iPhone 12 Pro has it which means the 12 Pro, 12 
Pro Max, 13 Pro, 13 Pro Max, 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 4:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Hi well I would like to take advantage of Lidar and door detection. And I was 
under the impression that only the 13 max moddles and bigger have this. >From 
Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 11, 2022 4:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see the 
Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if you 
are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much 
prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in 
Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these 
Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the 
battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost..

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate 
when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will try 
then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as well. 
Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget 
there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they 
wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any 
iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who 
drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then 
there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus 
and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via 
satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some 
peace of mind.
And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good 
deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait 
for that.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 
will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I 
might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think 
a lot of people won't upgrade.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

>From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.
You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from 
an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14.
I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular 
models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. 
They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus 
so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The 
emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for 
people who go off the grid a lot and then 

RE: why I don't like face ID

[chrisjudge1967]

I use to have trouble getting it to while laying down but since I got the 13 
pro it works the majority of the time.

 

Chris Judge

  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: September 12, 2022 9:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: why I don't like face ID

 

There are a few reasons.  1 for what Mark and Donna brought up.

2 If I am laying down I can’t get it to reliably work.  I really wish Apple 
would give us the choice.

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RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[chrisjudge1967]

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. 
It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to 
react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna
 
> 
> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to 
> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature 
> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to 
> learn something new.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face 
> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and 
> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. 
> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 
> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think 
> it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do 
> those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the 
> top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big 
> of a deal.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Dennis and Everyone,
>> 
>> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment.
>> 
>> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at 
>> worst, with iPhone release this time around.
>> 
>> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen.
>> 
>> Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T 
>> Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account 
>> settings when eSim is activated.  This is according to several articles I've 
>> read, recently.
>> 
>> I just don't know, I just don't know.
>> 
>> I have been trying to get used to FaceID via iPhone 11 but am definitely 
>> going to miss Touch ID.
>> 
>> Be that as it may, I plan to get an iPhone 14 Pro Max; not in the first 
>> couple of months; figure I'll give carriers and Apple time to break in the 
>> new models (smile), specifically eSIM activation but I am on the path to 
>> iPhone 14.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Dennis Long
>> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>> 
>> The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 
>> will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC 
>> than I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this 
>> year I think a lot of people won't upgrade.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>> 
>> From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.
>> You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why 

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[chrisjudge1967]

Hey Mitch. So are you really considering the 14 max? I ask because I think the 
14 pro will be roughly the same size. Not quite so large a screen but if you 
don't have useful vision and don't require the extra screen size, going with 
the pro will cost you around the same and you will have the benefit of lidar. 
There might not be much about lidar of interest to you right now, but I believe 
it will be used for more things as time goes on. Myself I can't wait to try 
this door detection thingy.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: September 11, 2022 7:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I ment black Friday lol. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: September 11, 2022 5:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Mitch,
Good Friday is April 7, 2023.  Or did you mean Black Friday, the day after US 
Thanksgiving for the pre-Christmas sales?  That is November 25th.  

I am with Sieghard, unless you have a good reason for the larger phone/battery 
life, or enough vision to take advantage of the larger screen, the Pro size 
would be more affordable and get pretty much the same performance other than 
maybe a little less battery life; but they are talking all day battery life 
with either pro or pro max, so the suggestion of a battery pack is a good one.

I think you said you have an 8 now, so any of the 14's will be a huge 
improvement.


Richard
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see the 
Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if you 
are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much 
prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in 
Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these 
Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the 
battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost..

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate 
when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will try 
then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as well. 
Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget 
there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they 
wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any 
iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who 
drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then 
there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus 
and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via 
satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some 
peace of mind.
And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good 
deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait 
for that.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 
will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I 
might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think 
a lot of people won't upgrade.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

>From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.
You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from 
an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14.
I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular 
models which still 

RE: First thoughts on Apple Watch series 8 and iPhone 14

[chrisjudge1967]

Yes there is nothing in the 14 that excites me. I’m definitely going to treat 
myself to a new watch though as I’m still using a series 4.

 

Chris Judge

  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anthony 
Vece
Sent: September 7, 2022 8:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: First thoughts on Apple Watch series 8 and iPhone 14

 

I find that there is no reason to upgrade from the iPhone 13 Pro.

Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro!!





On Sep 7, 2022, at 4:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

The Apple Watch 8 has some good new features with crash detection and the 
build-in body temperature sensor, but from what they said during the event that 
temperature sensor seems to be exclusively used for cycle tracking and may help 
women who are wanting to get pregnant, they did not say you could simply use it 
to measure your body temperature as you can with a Withings Thermo or other 
body temperature thermometer to see if you have a fever or not.

T

He Apple Watch 8 Ultra sounds pretty cool and if I did more scuba diving than I 
currently do once every couple of years when I go to the Philippines I might be 
tempted to see how accessible it is as a dive computer; but it's definitely an 
impressive watch.

 

The iPhone 14 has the same A15 chip as the iPhone 13 although they didn't say 
it in so many words; I think that is the first time Apple released a new iPhone 
and they kept using the same chip as in the one from the year before.

The iPhone 14 Pro gets the latest A16 chip which makes the new camera system 
and always-on display possible.

I thought it was nice to see that Apple included the new emergency SOS via 
satellite on both phones and I was definitely surprised when they said it was 
going to be free for the next 2 years. This would indicate, however, that 
ultimately it will be  a paid service and of course let's not forget that it is 
only available for the United States and Canada at that point. For once Canada 
is getting something at launch which was not always the case (Apple New, Apple 
Pay and other features are examples where it took a while for Canada to get it).

Crash detection is also part of all iPhone 14 models so now if you are driving 
with somebody and you have a crash (let's hope it will never happen) you may 
get help quicker.

As expected the Mini is gone and replaced with the 6.7 inch iPhone 14 Plus.

Storage still tops out at 1 Tb so no 2 Tb phone as was rumoured.

Also, in the United States (not sure about Canada) all iPhone 14 models will 
now no longer have a SIM tray, it is e-SIM only from now on.

 

Apart from that this is pretty much it. Anybody who has an iPhone 13 or 13 Pro 
has in my opinion very little reason to upgrade unless you spend considerable 
time out of cell service and may want the added peace of mind the emergency SOS 
via satellite offers; you can also share your location via Find My by 
satellite, but I haven't quite figured out if you can simply send text messages 
to somebody else, but I don't think so. If you have dedicated devices like 
Garmin's Inreach or a Zoleo satellite messenger which of course also requires 
you to subscribe to one of their plans, you can text anybody and receive text 
replies from anybody and you don't have to make a big production of pointing 
your iPhone to where the satellite is. An Inreach or Zoleo in fact can be in 
your backpack's top pocket and it works just fine and none of these devices 
have an external antenna which during the presentation Apple hinted would be 
required. Anyways, the satellite SOS is definitely a good start and once again 
something new and innovative Apple has introduced and I would bet money on it 
that within the next year or so Android phones will be released which also have 
this. What surprised me was that Apple seems to have set u p their own centre 
for this, but that is probably the only way they can offer this for free and 
they also didn't say which satellite network they use for this, i.e. Iridium or 
Globalstar.

 

Will I upgrade from my iPhone 11? I honestly haven't decided, but if I do it 
would definitely be to a 14 Pro because then at least I would also gain the 
LiDAR feature. 

As for the Apple Watch I think I'll stick with my sixth Gen watch, it doesn't 
have blood oxygen or the new temperature sensor, but unless I experience what 
Arnold Schwarzenegger did in "Junior" I doubt I'll be pregnant any time soon.

In any case, I'll wait to see if my provider wants to offer me a deal I can't 
refuse, Telus already sent me a message yesterday telling me that I am on their 
priority list and will get a call in case I want to preorder the new iPhone 
although even if I decide to upgrade I would probably rather buy it outright.

 

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