RE: Face recognition

2021-09-23 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Yeah I need to sort this out
But I tried it some time back but couldn’t get it to work,

Might try it tomorrow when I’ve got time.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2021 5:25 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Actually since one of the later versions of iOS 14, I think maybe 14.5 or 14.6, 
you can unlock your iPhone if you wear a mask as long as you also have an Apple 
Watch, are wearing it and if you have a passcode set for your Apple Watch and, 
lastly, if you turn on the ability in Settings > Face Id and Passcode. It works 
great, your iPhone basically communicates with your watch and unlocks, but 
while you can unlock your phone this way, you cannot authenticate an Apple Pay 
transaction, you either have to take  your mask off for a few seconds or 
authenticate by entering your passcode.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Esther 
Levegnale
Sent: September 22, 2021 6:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Face recognition

right. I could imagine it would not work with a mask. Esther
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

On Sep 22, 2021, at 6:46 PM, Carolyn 
<4carol...@windstream.net<mailto:4carol...@windstream.net>> wrote:
It does work for me with or without sunglasses, but not with a mask.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther Levegnale
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 4:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>>
Subject: Re: Face recognition

that sounds like a good plan to me too. I was just wondering, if you use facial 
ID and you have sunglasses on, would it work? Esther


Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!


   On Sep 22, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Lisa Belville 
mailto:missktlab1...@frontier.com>> wrote:



   Hi.


   The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if they're 
like me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  It's just extra 
taps for someone and more to concentrate on if walking or riding in a vehicle 
driving over bumpy roads. Holding the phone up just seems more intuitive.



   Lisa Belville
   missktlab1...@frontier.com<mailto:missktlab1...@frontier.com>

   On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:


   It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.


   It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have to 
double tap each digit or just touch and lift.


   But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a passcode.














   Richard


   "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
it." - Jane Wagner





   My Web site: https://www.turner42.com








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   From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer


   Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM


   To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>


   Subject: RE: Face recognition





  Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then without 
voiceover?





   -Original Message-


   From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Carolyn


   Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM


   To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>


   Subject: RE: Face recognition





   I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for 
one, would not want to do that.





   -Original Message-


   From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Star Gazer


   Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM


   To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>


   Subject: RE: Face recognition





  How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? I've 
never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?





   -Original Message-


   From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Carolyn


   Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM


   To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>


   Subject: RE: Face recognition





   Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.





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   From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.co

RE: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
You don't, but why would you want to do it without Voiceover? If Voiceover is 
running and you reboot your phone Voiceover is on as soon as the phone restarts 
and you have to enter your PIN.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: September 22, 2021 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then 
without voiceover? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, would 
not want to do that. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode even 
if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id works 
so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set it up.
As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
the left side?
You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South (down) 
and West (to the left).
All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit to 
the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure somebody 
could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode which for 
some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the screen and you 
are good to go.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
> If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face recognition
>
> I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in 
> to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted 
> help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
>
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>
>
> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
> Bob Proctor
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RE: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Actually since one of the later versions of iOS 14, I think maybe 14.5 or 14.6, 
you can unlock your iPhone if you wear a mask as long as you also have an Apple 
Watch, are wearing it and if you have a passcode set for your Apple Watch and, 
lastly, if you turn on the ability in Settings > Face Id and Passcode. It works 
great, your iPhone basically communicates with your watch and unlocks, but 
while you can unlock your phone this way, you cannot authenticate an Apple Pay 
transaction, you either have to take  your mask off for a few seconds or 
authenticate by entering your passcode.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther 
Levegnale
Sent: September 22, 2021 6:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

right. I could imagine it would not work with a mask. Esther
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!


On Sep 22, 2021, at 6:46 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
It does work for me with or without sunglasses, but not with a mask.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Esther Levegnale
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 4:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: Richard Turner 
Subject: Re: Face recognition

that sounds like a good plan to me too. I was just wondering, if you use facial 
ID and you have sunglasses on, would it work? Esther


Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!


   On Sep 22, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Lisa Belville  
wrote:



   Hi.


   The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if they're 
like me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  It's just extra 
taps for someone and more to concentrate on if walking or riding in a vehicle 
driving over bumpy roads. Holding the phone up just seems more intuitive.



   Lisa Belville
   missktlab1...@frontier.com

   On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:


   It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.


   It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have to 
double tap each digit or just touch and lift.


   But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a passcode.














   Richard


   "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
it." - Jane Wagner





   My Web site: https://www.turner42.com








   -Original Message-


   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Star Gazer


   Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM


   To: viphone@googlegroups.com


   Subject: RE: Face recognition





  Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then without 
voiceover?





   -Original Message-


   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Carolyn


   Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM


   To: viphone@googlegroups.com


   Subject: RE: Face recognition





   I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for 
one, would not want to do that.





   -Original Message-


   From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Star Gazer


   Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM


   To: viphone@googlegroups.com


   Subject: RE: Face recognition





  How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? I've 
never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?





   -Original Message-


   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Carolyn


   Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM


   To: viphone@googlegroups.com


   Subject: RE: Face recognition





   Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.





   -Original Message-


   From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel


   Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM


   To: viphone@googlegroups.com


   Subject: RE: Face recognition





   You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a 
passcode even if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. 
Face Id works so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help 
you set it up.


   As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to 
imagine a clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock 
is at the bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 
o'clock is on the left side?


   You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation 
of the Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South 
(down) and West (to the left).


   All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, 
is to hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a 
bit to the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm s

RE: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Simon A Fogarty
No issue if you set it up without attention mode,

I still have my own eyes and without looking at the camera attention mode is 
bloody difficult.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2021 2:34 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

I have a prosthetic eye, how does face ID work with something like that?

On 9/22/21, Esther Levegnale  wrote:
> right. I could imagine it would not work with a mask. Esther
>
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>
>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 6:46 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>
>> It does work for me with or without sunglasses, but not with a mask.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Esther Levegnale
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 4:58 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Cc: Richard Turner 
>> Subject: Re: Face recognition
>>
>> that sounds like a good plan to me too. I was just wondering, if you 
>> use facial ID and you have sunglasses on, would it work? Esther
>>
>>
>> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>>
>>
>>On Sep 22, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Lisa Belville 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi.
>>
>>
>>The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if 
>> they're like me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  
>> It's just extra taps for someone and more to concentrate on if 
>> walking or riding in a vehicle driving over bumpy roads. Holding the 
>> phone up just seems more intuitive.
>>
>>
>>
>>Lisa Belville
>>missktlab1...@frontier.com
>>
>>On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
>>
>>
>>It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.
>>
>>
>>It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you 
>> have to double tap each digit or just touch and lift.
>>
>>
>>But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a 
>> passcode.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Richard
>>
>>
>>    "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in 
>> touch with it." - Jane Wagner
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>
>>
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Star Gazer
>>
>>
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM
>>
>>
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>>Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen 
>> then without voiceover?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>
>>
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Carolyn
>>
>>
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
>>
>>
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>>Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; 
>> I, for one, would not want to do that.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>
>>
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Star Gazer
>>
>>
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
>>
>>
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>>Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover?
>> I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>
>>
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Carolyn
>>
>>
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
>>
>>
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>>Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Definitely, I am glad to have

Re: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Joshua Hendrickson
I have a prosthetic eye, how does face ID work with something like that?

On 9/22/21, Esther Levegnale  wrote:
> right. I could imagine it would not work with a mask. Esther
>
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>
>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 6:46 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>
>> It does work for me with or without sunglasses, but not with a mask.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Esther Levegnale
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 4:58 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Cc: Richard Turner 
>> Subject: Re: Face recognition
>>
>> that sounds like a good plan to me too. I was just wondering, if you use
>> facial ID and you have sunglasses on, would it work? Esther
>>
>>
>> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>>
>>
>>On Sep 22, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Lisa Belville 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi.
>>
>>
>>The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if
>> they're like me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  It's
>> just extra taps for someone and more to concentrate on if walking or
>> riding in a vehicle driving over bumpy roads. Holding the phone up just
>> seems more intuitive.
>>
>>
>>
>>Lisa Belville
>>missktlab1...@frontier.com
>>
>>On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
>>
>>
>>It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.
>>
>>
>>It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have to
>> double tap each digit or just touch and lift.
>>
>>
>>But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a
>> passcode.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Richard
>>
>>
>>"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch
>> with it." - Jane Wagner
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>
>>
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>> Of Star Gazer
>>
>>
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM
>>
>>
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>>Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then
>> without voiceover?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-
>>
>>
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>> Of Carolyn
>>
>>
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
>>
>>
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>>Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I,
>> for one, would not want to do that.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>
>>
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Star Gazer
>>
>>
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
>>
>>
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>>Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover?
>> I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>
>>
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>> Of Carolyn
>>
>>
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
>>
>>
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>>Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six
>> digits.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>
>>
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>
>>
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
>>
>>
&g

Re: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Esther Levegnale
right. I could imagine it would not work with a mask. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 6:46 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> It does work for me with or without sunglasses, but not with a mask. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Esther Levegnale
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 4:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: Richard Turner 
> Subject: Re: Face recognition
> 
> that sounds like a good plan to me too. I was just wondering, if you use 
> facial ID and you have sunglasses on, would it work? Esther
> 
> 
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
> 
> 
>On Sep 22, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Lisa Belville  
> wrote:
>
>
> 
>Hi.
>
>
>The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if they're 
> like me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  It's just extra 
> taps for someone and more to concentrate on if walking or riding in a vehicle 
> driving over bumpy roads. Holding the phone up just seems more intuitive.
>
>
>
>Lisa Belville
>missktlab1...@frontier.com
>
>On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
>
> 
>It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.
>
> 
>It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have to 
> double tap each digit or just touch and lift.
>
> 
>But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a passcode.
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>Richard
>
> 
>"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch 
> with it." - Jane Wagner
>
> 
>
>
> 
>My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>    -----Original Message-
>
> 
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Star Gazer
>
> 
>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM
>
> 
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> 
>Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> 
>
>
> 
>   Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then 
> without voiceover?
>
> 
>
>
> 
>-Original Message-
>
> 
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
>
> 
>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
>
> 
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> 
>Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> 
>
>
> 
>I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for 
> one, would not want to do that.
>
> 
>
>
> 
>-Original Message-
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>From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
>
> 
>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
>
> 
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> 
>Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> 
>    
>
> 
>   How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
> I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?
>
> 
>
>
> 
>-Original Message-
>
> 
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
>
> 
>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
>
> 
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> 
>Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> 
>
>
> 
>Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.
>
> 
>
>
> 
>-Original Message-
>
> 
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>
> 
>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
>
> 
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> 
>Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> 
>
>
> 
>You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a 
> passcode even if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your 
> iPhone. Face

Re: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Esther Levegnale
wow, that's pretty neat. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 5:15 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes, I set up facial ID when I wasn’t wearing glasses, and it still works 
> when I have sun glasses on. I’ve also gone from a beard to clean shaven to a 
> goatee and it still always worked without having to reset it up.
>  
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther 
> Levegnale
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 3:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: Richard Turner 
> Subject: Re: Face recognition
>  
> that sounds like a good plan to me too. I was just wondering, if you use 
> facial ID and you have sunglasses on, would it work? Esther
> 
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
> 
> 
> On Sep 22, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Lisa Belville  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> 
> The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if they're like 
> me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  It's just extra taps 
> for someone and more to concentrate on if walking or riding in a vehicle 
> driving over bumpy roads. Holding the phone up just seems more intuitive.
> 
> 
> 
> Lisa Belville
> missktlab1...@frontier.com
> 
> On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
> 
> It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.
> It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have to double tap 
> each digit or just touch and lift.
> But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a passcode.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
> - Jane Wagner
>  
> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>  
>  
> -----Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
> Gazer
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>  
>Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then without 
> voiceover?
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>  
> I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, 
> would not want to do that.
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Star Gazer
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>  
>How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? I've never 
> been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>  
> Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>  
> You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode 
> even if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id 
> works so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set 
> it up.
> As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
> clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
> bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
> the left side?
> You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
> Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South 
> (down) and West (to the left).
> All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
> hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit 
> to the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure 
> somebody could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode 
> which for some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the 
> screen and you are good to go.
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
> Hendrickson
> Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face recognition
>  
> If I get an iPhone with face 

Re: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Esther Levegnale
I wear mine when I go out as well. I wear them for cosmetic purposes because my 
eyes move. Take care. Esther I wear mine out a lot as well, and I wear them for 
cosmetic purposes. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 8:12 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes
>  
> I wear sunnies all the time and it works for me.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther 
> Levegnale
> Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2021 8:58 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: Richard Turner 
> Subject: Re: Face recognition
>  
> that sounds like a good plan to me too. I was just wondering, if you use 
> facial ID and you have sunglasses on, would it work? Esther
> 
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
> 
> 
> On Sep 22, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Lisa Belville  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> 
> The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if they're like 
> me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  It's just extra taps 
> for someone and more to concentrate on if walking or riding in a vehicle 
> driving over bumpy roads. Holding the phone up just seems more intuitive.
> 
> 
> 
> Lisa Belville
> missktlab1...@frontier.com
> 
> On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
> 
> It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.
> It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have to double tap 
> each digit or just touch and lift.
> But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a passcode.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
> - Jane Wagner
>  
> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
> Gazer
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>  
>Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then without 
> voiceover?
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>  
> I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, 
> would not want to do that.
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Star Gazer
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>  
>How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? I've never 
> been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>  
> Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>  
> You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode 
> even if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id 
> works so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set 
> it up.
> As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
> clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
> bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
> the left side?
> You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
> Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South 
> (down) and West (to the left).
> All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
> hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit 
> to the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure 
> somebody could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode 
> which for some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the 
> screen and you are good to go.
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
> Hendrickson
> Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face recognition
>  
> If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode 
> instead.  I didn't know that you 

RE: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Yes

I wear sunnies all the time and it works for me.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther 
Levegnale
Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2021 8:58 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: Richard Turner 
Subject: Re: Face recognition

that sounds like a good plan to me too. I was just wondering, if you use facial 
ID and you have sunglasses on, would it work? Esther
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!


On Sep 22, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Lisa Belville 
mailto:missktlab1...@frontier.com>> wrote:
Hi.


The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if they're like 
me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  It's just extra taps for 
someone and more to concentrate on if walking or riding in a vehicle driving 
over bumpy roads. Holding the phone up just seems more intuitive.



Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com<mailto:missktlab1...@frontier.com>

On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.
It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have to double tap 
each digit or just touch and lift.
But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a passcode.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." - 
Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Face recognition

   Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then without 
voiceover?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Face recognition

I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, would 
not want to do that.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Face recognition

   How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? I've never 
been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Face recognition

You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode even 
if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id works 
so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set it up.
As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
the left side?
You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South (down) 
and West (to the left).
All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit to 
the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure somebody 
could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode which for 
some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the screen and you 
are good to go.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when set

RE: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Simon A Fogarty
On a face id phone you either have none,
The pin code or both face id and pin code,

You can't have just face id 
As when you restart your phone the face id recognition doesn't work to unlock 
the phone.

You need a pin code there.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2021 3:08 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

I have both passcode and facial ID. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 8:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
> If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face recognition
>
> I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in 
> to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted 
> help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
>
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>
>
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RE: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Simon A Fogarty
I’m not completely sure but I believe that will work fine for you as the face 
id feature works great in the dark,

Infact I think I stt mine up in a dark room

But give it ago

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2021 12:03 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

 What happens if you set up face id 
in a dark room? I tried seting up face id, I thought it was light, it was the 
middle of the day and got my phone all f**cked up

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 7:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Face recognition

You don't need sighted help, just as with Touch Id you are guided as to what 
you should do. Keep in mind that you can always delete your Face Id and set it 
up again, also a good idea at least for setup to be in a reasonably well 
lighted room. Once Face Id is set up it works in total darkness because it uses 
IR light to scan your face and light is not required.

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: September 21, 2021 1:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Face recognition

I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in to this, 
How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted help?  What should I 
expect?  Thanks much for any input.

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RE: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Carolyn
It does work for me with or without sunglasses, but not with a mask. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Esther Levegnale
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 4:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: Richard Turner 
Subject: Re: Face recognition

that sounds like a good plan to me too. I was just wondering, if you use facial 
ID and you have sunglasses on, would it work? Esther


Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!


On Sep 22, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Lisa Belville  
wrote:



Hi.


The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if 
they're like me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  It's just 
extra taps for someone and more to concentrate on if walking or riding in a 
vehicle driving over bumpy roads. Holding the phone up just seems more 
intuitive.



Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:


It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.


It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have 
to double tap each digit or just touch and lift.


But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a 
passcode.














Richard


"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in 
touch with it." - Jane Wagner





My Web site: https://www.turner42.com








-Original Message-


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Star Gazer


Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM


To: viphone@googlegroups.com


Subject: RE: Face recognition





   Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then 
without voiceover?





-Original Message-


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Carolyn


Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM


To: viphone@googlegroups.com


Subject: RE: Face recognition





I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; 
I, for one, would not want to do that.





-Original Message-


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Star Gazer


Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM


To: viphone@googlegroups.com


Subject: RE: Face recognition





   How exactly do you enter in a passcode using 
voiceover? I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?





-Original Message-


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Carolyn


Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM


To: viphone@googlegroups.com


Subject: RE: Face recognition





Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six 
digits.





-Original Message-


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel


Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM


To: viphone@googlegroups.com


Subject: RE: Face recognition





You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter 
a passcode even if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your 
iPhone. Face Id works so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to 
help you set it up.


As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not 
able to imagine a clock face, e.g

RE: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Carolyn
Right, Maria. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 4:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

The only time I have to enter my pass code is when I power down and turn my 
phone back on.  Not every time I unlock the screen.



Maria Campbell
lucky1i...@gmail.com

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke

On 9/22/2021 4:49 PM, Carolyn wrote:
> Definitely, it would be nuts to have to punch in a code every time you opened 
> your phone.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Lisa Belville
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 4:40 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Richard Turner 
> Subject: Re: Face recognition
>
> Hi.
>
>
> The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if they're like 
> me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  It's just extra taps 
> for someone and more to concentrate on if walking or riding in a vehicle 
> driving over bumpy roads. Holding the phone up just seems more intuitive.
>
>
>
> Lisa Belville
> missktlab1...@frontier.com
>
> On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
>> It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.
>> It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have to double 
>> tap each digit or just touch and lift.
>> But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a passcode.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch
>> with it." - Jane Wagner
>>
>> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Star Gazer
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>
>>  Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then 
>> without voiceover?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Carolyn
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>
>> I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, 
>> would not want to do that.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Star Gazer
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>
>>  How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
>> I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Carolyn
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>
>> Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>
>> You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode 
>> even if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face 
>> Id works so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you 
>> set it up.
>> As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine 
>> a clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at 
>> the bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock 
>> is on the left side?
>> You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of 
>> the Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South 
>> (down) and West (to the left).
>> All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is 
>> to hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a 
>> bit to the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure 
>> somebody could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode 
>> which for some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the 
>> screen and you are good to go.
>>
>>
>> -Origin

RE: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Christopher Chaltain
Yes, I set up facial ID when I wasn’t wearing glasses, and it still works when 
I have sun glasses on. I’ve also gone from a beard to clean shaven to a goatee 
and it still always worked without having to reset it up.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther 
Levegnale
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 3:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: Richard Turner 
Subject: Re: Face recognition

that sounds like a good plan to me too. I was just wondering, if you use facial 
ID and you have sunglasses on, would it work? Esther
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!


On Sep 22, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Lisa Belville 
mailto:missktlab1...@frontier.com>> wrote:
Hi.


The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if they're like 
me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  It's just extra taps for 
someone and more to concentrate on if walking or riding in a vehicle driving 
over bumpy roads. Holding the phone up just seems more intuitive.



Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com<mailto:missktlab1...@frontier.com>

On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.
It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have to double tap 
each digit or just touch and lift.
But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a passcode.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." - 
Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Face recognition

   Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then without 
voiceover?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Face recognition

I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, would 
not want to do that.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Face recognition

   How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? I've never 
been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Face recognition

You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode even 
if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id works 
so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set it up.
As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
the left side?
You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South (down) 
and West (to the left).
All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit to 
the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure somebody 
could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode which for 
some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the screen and you 
are good to go.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID a

Re: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Esther Levegnale
that sounds like a good plan to me too. I was just wondering, if you use facial 
ID and you have sunglasses on, would it work? Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Lisa Belville  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> 
> The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if they're like 
> me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  It's just extra taps 
> for someone and more to concentrate on if walking or riding in a vehicle 
> driving over bumpy roads. Holding the phone up just seems more intuitive.
> 
> 
> 
> Lisa Belville
> missktlab1...@frontier.com
> 
>> On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
>> It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.
>> It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have to double 
>> tap each digit or just touch and lift.
>> But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a passcode.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
>> - Jane Wagner
>> 
>> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
>> Gazer
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>> 
>>Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then without 
>> voiceover?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Carolyn
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>> 
>> I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, 
>> would not want to do that.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Star Gazer
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>> 
>>    How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? I've 
>> never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Carolyn
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>> 
>> Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>> 
>> You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode 
>> even if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face 
>> Id works so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you 
>> set it up.
>> As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine 
>> a clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at 
>> the bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock 
>> is on the left side?
>> You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of 
>> the Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South 
>> (down) and West (to the left).
>> All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is 
>> to hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a 
>> bit to the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure 
>> somebody could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode 
>> which for some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the 
>> screen and you are good to go.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Joshua Hendrickson
>> Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Face recognition
>> 
>> If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode 
>> instead.  I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your 
>> passcode when using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple 
>> years ago, then I would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
>> I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face 
>> ID.
>>

Re: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Maria Campbell
The only time I have to enter my pass code is when I power down and turn 
my phone back on.  Not every time I unlock the screen.




Maria Campbell
lucky1i...@gmail.com

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke

On 9/22/2021 4:49 PM, Carolyn wrote:

Definitely, it would be nuts to have to punch in a code every time you opened 
your phone.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Lisa Belville
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 4:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Richard Turner 
Subject: Re: Face recognition

Hi.


The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if they're like 
me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  It's just extra taps for 
someone and more to concentrate on if walking or riding in a vehicle driving 
over bumpy roads. Holding the phone up just seems more intuitive.



Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.
It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have to double tap 
each digit or just touch and lift.
But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a passcode.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch
with it." - Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then 
without voiceover?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, would 
not want to do that.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode even 
if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id works 
so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set it up.
As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
the left side?
You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South (down) 
and West (to the left).
All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit to 
the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure somebody 
could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode which for 
some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the screen and you 
are good to go.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Carolyn
Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our
apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to
the left; turn your hea

Re: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Lisa Belville
There is a setting called Attention that doesn't require you to be 
looking directly at the phone.  It's under Face ID Pass Code and 
Attention is the first or second heading on that page.  I'm mentioning 
it because if you may not be able to visually look at the phone, i.e. 
make direct eye contact with the screen reliably, this setting could 
help make Face ID work for you.  I plan to use it when I set up Face ID.



I've never tried setting up a pass code, but one thing I'd try is making 
sure my hands and screen were clean, just so nothing interferes with 
your fingers making direct contact.



Lisa

Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/22/2021 3:40 PM, Star Gazer wrote:

Agree Lisa. I have for whatever reason never gotten my phone tto recogonize a 
password or my face. I couldn't do it with my finger print either..

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lisa 
Belville
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 4:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Richard Turner 
Subject: Re: Face recognition

Hi.


The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if they're like 
me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  It's just extra taps for 
someone and more to concentrate on if walking or riding in a vehicle driving 
over bumpy roads. Holding the phone up just seems more intuitive.



Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.
It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have to double tap 
each digit or just touch and lift.
But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a passcode.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch
with it." - Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then 
without voiceover?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, would 
not want to do that.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode even 
if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id works 
so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set it up.
As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
the left side?
You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South (down) 
and West (to the left).
All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit to 
the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure somebody 
could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode which for 
some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the screen and you 
are good to go.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at ar

RE: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Carolyn
Definitely, it would be nuts to have to punch in a code every time you opened 
your phone. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Lisa Belville
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 4:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Richard Turner 
Subject: Re: Face recognition

Hi.


The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if they're like 
me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  It's just extra taps for 
someone and more to concentrate on if walking or riding in a vehicle driving 
over bumpy roads. Holding the phone up just seems more intuitive.



Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
> It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.
> It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have to double tap 
> each digit or just touch and lift.
> But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a passcode.
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch 
> with it." - Jane Wagner
>
> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Star Gazer
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
>   Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then 
> without voiceover?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, 
> would not want to do that.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
>   How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
> I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode 
> even if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id 
> works so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set 
> it up.
> As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
> clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
> bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
> the left side?
> You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
> Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South 
> (down) and West (to the left).
> All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
> hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit 
> to the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure 
> somebody could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode 
> which for some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the 
> screen and you are good to go.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face recognition
>
> If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode 
> instead.  I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your 
> passcode when using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple 
> years ago, then I would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
> I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face 
> ID.
>
> On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Carolyn
>> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Face recogn

RE: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Star Gazer
Agree Lisa. I have for whatever reason never gotten my phone tto recogonize a 
password or my face. I couldn't do it with my finger print either.. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lisa 
Belville
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 4:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Richard Turner 
Subject: Re: Face recognition

Hi.


The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if they're like 
me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  It's just extra taps for 
someone and more to concentrate on if walking or riding in a vehicle driving 
over bumpy roads. Holding the phone up just seems more intuitive.



Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
> It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.
> It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have to double tap 
> each digit or just touch and lift.
> But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a passcode.
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch 
> with it." - Jane Wagner
>
> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Star Gazer
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
>   Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then 
> without voiceover?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, 
> would not want to do that.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
>   How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
> I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode 
> even if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id 
> works so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set 
> it up.
> As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
> clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
> bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
> the left side?
> You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
> Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South 
> (down) and West (to the left).
> All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
> hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit 
> to the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure 
> somebody could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode 
> which for some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the 
> screen and you are good to go.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face recognition
>
> If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode 
> instead.  I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your 
> passcode when using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple 
> years ago, then I would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
> I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face 
> ID.
>
> On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Carolyn
>> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject

Re: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Lisa Belville

Hi.


The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if they're 
like me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  It's just 
extra taps for someone and more to concentrate on if walking or riding 
in a vehicle driving over bumpy roads. Holding the phone up just seems 
more intuitive.




Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.
It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have to double tap 
each digit or just touch and lift.
But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a passcode.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." - 
Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then 
without voiceover?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, would 
not want to do that.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode even 
if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id works 
so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set it up.
As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
the left side?
You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South (down) 
and West (to the left).
All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit to 
the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure somebody 
could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode which for 
some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the screen and you 
are good to go.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Carolyn
Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our
apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to
the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy
at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Face recognition

I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in
to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted
help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com <mail

RE: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Carolyn
I'm sorry, I was thinking of voice command. Oh yes, you do use VoiceOver to 
enter a passcode. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 3:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then 
without voiceover? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, would 
not want to do that. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode even 
if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id works 
so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set it up.
As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
the left side?
You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South (down) 
and West (to the left).
All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit to 
the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure somebody 
could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode which for 
some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the screen and you 
are good to go.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
> If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face recognition
>
> I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in 
> to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted 
> help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
>
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>
>
> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
> Bob Proctor
>
>
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RE: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Richard Turner
It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.
It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have to double tap 
each digit or just touch and lift.
But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a passcode.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." - 
Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then 
without voiceover? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, would 
not want to do that. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode even 
if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id works 
so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set it up.
As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
the left side?
You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South (down) 
and West (to the left).
All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit to 
the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure somebody 
could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode which for 
some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the screen and you 
are good to go.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
> If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face recognition
>
> I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in 
> to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted 
> help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
>
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>
>
> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
> Bob Proctor
>
>
> --
> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone 
> list.
>
> If you have any questions or con

RE: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Star Gazer
Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then 
without voiceover? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, would 
not want to do that. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode even 
if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id works 
so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set it up.
As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
the left side?
You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South (down) 
and West (to the left).
All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit to 
the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure somebody 
could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode which for 
some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the screen and you 
are good to go.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
> If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face recognition
>
> I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in 
> to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted 
> help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
>
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>
>
> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
> Bob Proctor
>
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Re: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Lisa Belville

Thanks, Carolyn.  I feel much better about setting Face ID up now.


Lisa


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missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/22/2021 1:54 PM, Carolyn wrote:

You are right about it, Lisa.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Lisa Belville
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 2:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

Hi.  Just to clarify:  To set up Facial verification, you need to have a pass 
code.  But the only time you would use the pass code as the default way to 
unlock your phone is if the phone has to be restarted, or if the Face ID fails 
for some reason.  Is this correct?  In other words, you wouldn't need to use 
the pass code constantly to unlock the phone unless it was restarted or if 
there was an issue with the Face ID?


I'm guessing this is how it works, but I want to be sure as I'm thinking of 
setting it up myself and yes, I have no desire to enter a pass code every time 
I unlock my phone.


Lisa


Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/22/2021 11:31 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

If you ever update your phone it reboots and after it reboots you have to enter 
your passcode.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Carolyn
Sent: September 22, 2021 9:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, would 
not want to do that.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode even 
if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id works 
so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set it up.
As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
the left side?
You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South (down) 
and West (to the left).
All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit to 
the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure somebody 
could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode which for 
some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the screen and you 
are good to go.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Carolyn
Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our
apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to
the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy
at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Face recognition

I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in
to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do

RE: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Carolyn
You are right about it, Lisa. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Lisa Belville
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 2:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

Hi.  Just to clarify:  To set up Facial verification, you need to have a pass 
code.  But the only time you would use the pass code as the default way to 
unlock your phone is if the phone has to be restarted, or if the Face ID fails 
for some reason.  Is this correct?  In other words, you wouldn't need to use 
the pass code constantly to unlock the phone unless it was restarted or if 
there was an issue with the Face ID?


I'm guessing this is how it works, but I want to be sure as I'm thinking of 
setting it up myself and yes, I have no desire to enter a pass code every time 
I unlock my phone.


Lisa


Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/22/2021 11:31 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> If you ever update your phone it reboots and after it reboots you have to 
> enter your passcode.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: September 22, 2021 9:28 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, 
> would not want to do that.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
>   How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
> I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode 
> even if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id 
> works so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set 
> it up.
> As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
> clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
> bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
> the left side?
> You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
> Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South 
> (down) and West (to the left).
> All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
> hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit 
> to the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure 
> somebody could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode 
> which for some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the 
> screen and you are good to go.
>
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face recognition
>
> If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode 
> instead.  I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your 
> passcode when using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple 
> years ago, then I would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
> I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face 
> ID.
>
> On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Carolyn
>> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>
>> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
>> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
>> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
>> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
>> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
>> If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhon

Re: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Lisa Belville
Hi.  Just to clarify:  To set up Facial verification, you need to have a 
pass code.  But the only time you would use the pass code as the default 
way to unlock your phone is if the phone has to be restarted, or if the 
Face ID fails for some reason.  Is this correct?  In other words, you 
wouldn't need to use the pass code constantly to unlock the phone unless 
it was restarted or if there was an issue with the Face ID?



I'm guessing this is how it works, but I want to be sure as I'm thinking 
of setting it up myself and yes, I have no desire to enter a pass code 
every time I unlock my phone.



Lisa


Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/22/2021 11:31 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

If you ever update your phone it reboots and after it reboots you have to enter 
your passcode.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: September 22, 2021 9:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, would 
not want to do that.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode even 
if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id works 
so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set it up.
As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
the left side?
You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South (down) 
and West (to the left).
All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit to 
the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure somebody 
could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode which for 
some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the screen and you 
are good to go.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Carolyn
Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our
apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to
the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy
at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Face recognition

I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in
to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted
help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>

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Re: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Esther Levegnale
if my phone is turned off and I turn it back on again, I of course have to use 
my passcode. However when my phone is locked, I unlock it with my fingerprint 
and I don't have to use my passcode, 


Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 12:29 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I think you can have. In Password, it has both, and whenever you get an 
> update, it is likely to prompt you to enter the one you did not enter - i.e. 
> passcode, if you have only facial ID and facial ID, if you only have 
> password. Not my problem, so I can't be sure of that. I prefer having both. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Star Gazer
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
> 
> Can you have only the face id? 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:08 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
> 
> I have both passcode and facial ID. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 8:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face recognition
> 
> If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode 
> instead.  I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your 
> passcode when using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple 
> years ago, then I would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
> I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face 
> ID.
> 
>> On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Carolyn
>> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>> 
>> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
>> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
>> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
>> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
>> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
>> If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Face recognition
>> 
>> I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in 
>> to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted 
>> help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
>> 
>> Kay Malmquist
>> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>
>> 
>> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
>> Bob Proctor
>> 
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Re: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Esther Levegnale
oh, of course you can't! I guess I wasn't thinking! Sorry about that!

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 12:25 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> We can't use our fingerprints on phones without Home Buttons, which I like. 
> I never missed the Home Button. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Esther Levegnale
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:13 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face recognition
> 
> I would imagine that you could use your fingerprint as well, right? Please 
> correct me if I am wrong. Thanks. Esther
> 
> 
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
> 
> 
>On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
>
> 
>You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode 
> even if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id 
> works so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set 
> it up.
>As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to 
> imagine a clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock 
> is at the bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 
> o'clock is on the left side?
>You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of 
> the Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South 
> (down) and West (to the left).
>All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is 
> to hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a 
> bit to the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure 
> somebody could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode 
> which for some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the 
> screen and you are good to go.
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
>Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: Face recognition
>
>If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode 
> instead.  I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your 
> passcode when using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple 
> years ago, then I would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
>I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up 
> face ID.
>
>On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
> 
>A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's 
> length.
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>-Original Message-
>
> 
>    From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>
> 
>Carolyn
>
> 
>Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
>
> 
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> 
>Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> 
>
>
> 
>Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
>
> 
>apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face. 
>
> 
>The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
>
> 
>the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
>
> 
>at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself. 
>
> 
>If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>
> 
>
>
> 
>-Original Message-
>
> 
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>
> 
>    Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
>
> 
>Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
>
> 
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> 
>Subject: Face recognition
>
> 
>
>
> 
>I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in 
>
> 
>to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted 
>
> 
>help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
>
> 
>
>
> 
>Kay Malmquist
>
> 
>kay.malmqu...@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>"Where focus goes, energy flows."
>
> 

Re: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Esther Levegnale
I  use the iPhone keyboard to put in my passcode. Hope that helps. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 12:04 PM, Star Gazer  wrote:
> 
> How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? I've 
> never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas? 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
> 
> Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
> 
> You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode 
> even if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id 
> works so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set 
> it up.
> As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
> clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
> bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
> the left side?
> You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
> Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South 
> (down) and West (to the left).
> All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
> hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit 
> to the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure 
> somebody could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode 
> which for some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the 
> screen and you are good to go.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
> Hendrickson
> Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face recognition
> 
> If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode 
> instead.  I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your 
> passcode when using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple 
> years ago, then I would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
> I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face 
> ID.
> 
>> On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Carolyn
>> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>> 
>> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
>> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
>> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
>> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
>> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
>> If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Face recognition
>> 
>> I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in 
>> to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted 
>> help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
>> 
>> Kay Malmquist
>> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>
>> 
>> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
>> Bob Proctor
>> 
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RE: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Carolyn
Oh yes, that's definitely right, Seigard. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

If you ever update your phone it reboots and after it reboots you have to enter 
your passcode.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: September 22, 2021 9:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, would 
not want to do that. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode even 
if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id works 
so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set it up.
As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
the left side?
You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South (down) 
and West (to the left).
All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit to 
the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure somebody 
could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode which for 
some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the screen and you 
are good to go.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
> If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face recognition
>
> I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in 
> to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted 
> help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
>
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>
>
> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
> Bob Proctor
>
>
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RE: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
If you ever update your phone it reboots and after it reboots you have to enter 
your passcode.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: September 22, 2021 9:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, would 
not want to do that. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode even 
if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id works 
so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set it up.
As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
the left side?
You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South (down) 
and West (to the left).
All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit to 
the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure somebody 
could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode which for 
some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the screen and you 
are good to go.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
> If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face recognition
>
> I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in 
> to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted 
> help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
>
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>
>
> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
> Bob Proctor
>
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RE: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Carolyn
I think you can have. In Password, it has both, and whenever you get an update, 
it is likely to prompt you to enter the one you did not enter - i.e. passcode, 
if you have only facial ID and facial ID, if you only have password. Not my 
problem, so I can't be sure of that. I prefer having both. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Can you have only the face id? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

I have both passcode and facial ID. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 8:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
> If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face recognition
>
> I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in 
> to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted 
> help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
>
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>
>
> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
> Bob Proctor
>
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RE: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Carolyn
I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, would 
not want to do that. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode even 
if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id works 
so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set it up.
As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
the left side?
You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South (down) 
and West (to the left).
All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit to 
the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure somebody 
could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode which for 
some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the screen and you 
are good to go.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
> If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face recognition
>
> I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in 
> to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted 
> help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
>
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>
>
> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
> Bob Proctor
>
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RE: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Carolyn
We can't use our fingerprints on phones without Home Buttons, which I like. I 
never missed the Home Button. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Esther Levegnale
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

I would imagine that you could use your fingerprint as well, right? Please 
correct me if I am wrong. Thanks. Esther


Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!


On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:



You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a 
passcode even if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. 
Face Id works so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help 
you set it up.
As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to 
imagine a clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock 
is at the bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 
o'clock is on the left side?
You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation 
of the Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South 
(down) and West (to the left).
All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, 
is to hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a 
bit to the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure 
somebody could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode 
which for some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the screen 
and you are good to go.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode 
instead.  I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode 
when using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then 
I would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up 
face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at 
arm's length.








-Original Message-


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of 


Carolyn


Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM


To: viphone@googlegroups.com


Subject: RE: Face recognition





Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of 
our 


apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from 
your face. 


The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head 
slightly to 


the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. 
The guy 


at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it 
myself. 


If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.





-Original Message-


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 


Behalf Of Kay Malmquist


Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM


To: viphone@googlegroups.com


Subject: Face recognition





I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I 
jump in 


to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need 
sighted 


help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.





Kay Malmquist


kay.malmqu...@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>





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RE: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
After you enable passcode and you wake up your phone you swipe up from the 
bottom or, if you still have a phone with a home button, you press it.
Then a keypad comes up on the screen just like the one you get when you dial a 
phone number, find the numbers for your passcode and enter them.
How you enter them depends on your typing mode, if you have standard typing 
selected you find the number and then double tap the screen or do a split tap, 
i.e. with one finger on the number you want to enter, touch the screen anywhere 
with another finger.
If you have touch typing enabled then you just fine the number and as soon as 
you lift your finger off the screen the number is entered.
A third alternative is to use a Bluetooth keyboard where you can enter the 
numbers for your passcode on the numbers row or, if your keyboard has a numeric 
pad, enter them there. I assume you could also use a braille display.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: September 22, 2021 9:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode even 
if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id works 
so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set it up.
As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
the left side?
You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South (down) 
and West (to the left).
All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit to 
the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure somebody 
could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode which for 
some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the screen and you 
are good to go.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
> If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face recognition
>
> I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in 
> to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted 
> help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
>
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>
>
> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
> Bob Proctor
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RE: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
No, just as with Touch Id you still have to set a passcode as well because you 
need a fall back option if for some reason Face Id or Touch Id don't work and 
also for those cases when you have to enter your passcode like after restarting 
your phone or when you go to Settings > Face Id and Passcode, in order to get 
into that setting you first have to enter your passcode.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: September 22, 2021 9:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Can you have only the face id? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

I have both passcode and facial ID. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 8:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
> If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face recognition
>
> I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in 
> to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted 
> help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
>
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>
>
> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
> Bob Proctor
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RE: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Star Gazer
Can you have only the face id? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

I have both passcode and facial ID. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 8:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
> If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face recognition
>
> I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in 
> to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted 
> help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
>
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>
>
> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
> Bob Proctor
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RE: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Star Gazer
How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode even 
if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id works 
so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set it up.
As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
the left side?
You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South (down) 
and West (to the left).
All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit to 
the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure somebody 
could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode which for 
some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the screen and you 
are good to go.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
> If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face recognition
>
> I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in 
> to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted 
> help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
>
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>
>
> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
> Bob Proctor
>
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Re: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Jennie Facer
JenHi Ether,

On phones without home buttons, there is no fingerprint censor on them.

 

Jenn and Kumi

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 9:13 AM, Esther Levegnale  
> wrote:
> 
> I would imagine that you could use your fingerprint as well, right? Please 
> correct me if I am wrong. Thanks. Esther
> 
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>> You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode 
>> even if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face 
>> Id works so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you 
>> set it up.
>> As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine 
>> a clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at 
>> the bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock 
>> is on the left side?
>> You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of 
>> the Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South 
>> (down) and West (to the left).
>> All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is 
>> to hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a 
>> bit to the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure 
>> somebody could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode 
>> which for some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the 
>> screen and you are good to go.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Joshua Hendrickson
>> Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Face recognition
>> 
>> If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode 
>> instead.  I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your 
>> passcode when using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple 
>> years ago, then I would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
>> I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face 
>> ID.
>> 
>>> On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Carolyn
>>> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>>> 
>>> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
>>> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face. 
>>> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
>>> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
>>> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself. 
>>> If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Face recognition
>>> 
>>> I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in 
>>> to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted 
>>> help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
>>> 
>>> Kay Malmquist
>>> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>
>>> 
>>> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
>>> Bob Proctor
>>> 
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Re: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Esther Levegnale
Thanks, Carolyn.  Have a great day!

Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 11:16 AM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
> 
> You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode 
> even if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id 
> works so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set 
> it up.
> As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
> clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
> bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
> the left side?
> You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
> Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South 
> (down) and West (to the left).
> All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
> hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit 
> to the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure 
> somebody could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode 
> which for some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the 
> screen and you are good to go.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
> Hendrickson
> Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face recognition
> 
> If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode 
> instead.  I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your 
> passcode when using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple 
> years ago, then I would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
> I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face 
> ID.
> 
>> On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Carolyn
>> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>> 
>> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
>> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
>> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
>> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
>> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
>> If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Face recognition
>> 
>> I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in 
>> to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted 
>> help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
>> 
>> Kay Malmquist
>> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>
>> 
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RE: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Carolyn
Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode even 
if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id works 
so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set it up.
As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
the left side?
You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South (down) 
and West (to the left).
All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit to 
the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure somebody 
could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode which for 
some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the screen and you 
are good to go.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
> If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face recognition
>
> I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in 
> to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted 
> help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
>
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>
>
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Re: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Esther Levegnale
I would imagine that you could use your fingerprint as well, right? Please 
correct me if I am wrong. Thanks. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode 
> even if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id 
> works so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set 
> it up.
> As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
> clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
> bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
> the left side?
> You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
> Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South 
> (down) and West (to the left).
> All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
> hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit 
> to the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure 
> somebody could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode 
> which for some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the 
> screen and you are good to go.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
> Hendrickson
> Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face recognition
> 
> If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode 
> instead.  I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your 
> passcode when using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple 
> years ago, then I would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
> I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face 
> ID.
> 
>> On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Carolyn
>> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>> 
>> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
>> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face. 
>> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
>> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
>> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself. 
>> If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Face recognition
>> 
>> I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in 
>> to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted 
>> help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
>> 
>> Kay Malmquist
>> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>
>> 
>> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
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RE: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Carolyn
I have both passcode and facial ID. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 8:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face. 
> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself. 
> If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face recognition
>
> I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in 
> to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted 
> help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
>
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>
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RE: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Carolyn
Right, I am totally blind, had no problem at 3 in the afternoon on a bright and 
sunny day, setting up facial ID on the west side of my apartment. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 7:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

You don't need sighted help, just as with Touch Id you are guided as to what 
you should do. Keep in mind that you can always delete your Face Id and set it 
up again, also a good idea at least for setup to be in a reasonably well 
lighted room. Once Face Id is set up it works in total darkness because it uses 
IR light to scan your face and light is not required.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: September 21, 2021 1:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Face recognition

 

I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in to this, 
How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted help?  What should I 
expect?  Thanks much for any input.


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RE: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Exactly, if you don't get good results just go to Settings > Face Id and 
Passcode, enter your passcode and do it again. You can always use the Seeing AI 
app which is free and has a light detector to see if there is light or stand 
next to an uncovered window during daylight hours.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: September 22, 2021 6:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

as I recall, you can redo the Face ID just like you can redo touch ID.
You'll have to use your passcode to do all that.


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On Sep 22, 2021, at 5:08 AM, Star Gazer  wrote:

 What happens if you set up face id 
in a dark room? I tried seting up face id, I thought it was light, it was the 
middle of the day and got my phone all f**cked up

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 7:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

You don't need sighted help, just as with Touch Id you are guided as to what 
you should do. Keep in mind that you can always delete your Face Id and set it 
up again, also a good idea at least for setup to be in a reasonably well 
lighted room. Once Face Id is set up it works in total darkness because it uses 
IR light to scan your face and light is not required.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: September 21, 2021 1:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Face recognition

I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in to this, 
How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted help?  What should I 
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RE: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode even 
if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id works 
so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set it up.
As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
the left side?
You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South (down) 
and West (to the left).
All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit to 
the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure somebody 
could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode which for 
some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the screen and you 
are good to go.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
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Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face. 
> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself. 
> If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face recognition
>
> I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in 
> to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted 
> help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
>
> Kay Malmquist
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Re: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Richard Turner
as I recall, you can redo the Face ID just like you can redo touch ID.
You'll have to use your passcode to do all that.



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On Sep 22, 2021, at 5:08 AM, Star Gazer  wrote:


 What happens if you set up face id 
in a dark room? I tried seting up face id, I thought it was light, it was the 
middle of the day and got my phone all f**cked up

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 7:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

You don't need sighted help, just as with Touch Id you are guided as to what 
you should do. Keep in mind that you can always delete your Face Id and set it 
up again, also a good idea at least for setup to be in a reasonably well 
lighted room. Once Face Id is set up it works in total darkness because it uses 
IR light to scan your face and light is not required.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: September 21, 2021 1:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Face recognition

I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in to this, 
How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted help?  What should I 
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RE: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Star Gazer
 What happens if you set up face id 
in a dark room? I tried seting up face id, I thought it was light, it was the 
middle of the day and got my phone all f**cked up 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 7:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

 

You don't need sighted help, just as with Touch Id you are guided as to what 
you should do. Keep in mind that you can always delete your Face Id and set it 
up again, also a good idea at least for setup to be in a reasonably well 
lighted room. Once Face Id is set up it works in total darkness because it uses 
IR light to scan your face and light is not required.

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: September 21, 2021 1:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Face recognition

 

I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in to this, 
How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted help?  What should I 
expect?  Thanks much for any input.


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RE: Face recognition

2021-09-22 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Hey Richard,

Sorry but what if your facing south with the watch on?

That would put everything around the other way.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2021 12:38 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Joshua,
Have you ever had a tactile/braille watch?
Or a tactile compass?
12 o'clock would be north.  3 o'clock would be east, 6 o'clock would be South 
and 9 o'clock would be West.
You are essentially drawing a circle.

Just like with Touch ID you always have the option to use your passcode instead.

HTH,




Richard
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
> If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face recognition
>
> I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in 
> to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted 
> help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
>
> Kay Malmquist
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RE: Face recognition

2021-09-21 Thread Richard Turner
Joshua,
Have you ever had a tactile/braille watch?
Or a tactile compass?
12 o'clock would be north.  3 o'clock would be east, 6 o'clock would be South 
and 9 o'clock would be West.
You are essentially drawing a circle.

Just like with Touch ID you always have the option to use your passcode instead.

HTH,




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." - 
Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face recognition

If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face. 
> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself. 
> If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face recognition
>
> I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in 
> to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted 
> help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
>
> Kay Malmquist
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Re: Face recognition

2021-09-21 Thread Joshua Hendrickson
If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode
instead.  I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your
passcode when using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a
couple years ago, then I would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up
face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
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> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our
> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face. The
> phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to the left;
> turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy at Wal-Mart
> couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself. If I can,
> probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>
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> should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
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RE: Face recognition

2021-09-21 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Hi Kay,

As others have said,

You’ll be fine,

There are very clear verbal instructions
While you are setting up face id,

It instructs you about where in screen and focus your face is,
And how far away your arm should be with the phone,

And then where to look
>From memory it starts by having you turn your face to the right and then 
>should go anti clockwise.

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RE: Face recognition

2021-09-21 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our apartment. 
You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face. The phone will tell 
you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to the left; turn your head 
slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial 
ID, but I was able to do it myself. If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone 
users can. 

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Subject: Face recognition

I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in to this, 
How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted help?  What should I 
expect?  Thanks much for any input.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com <mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com> 
 
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RE: Face recognition

2021-09-21 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
You don't need sighted help, just as with Touch Id you are guided as to what 
you should do. Keep in mind that you can always delete your Face Id and set it 
up again, also a good idea at least for setup to be in a reasonably well 
lighted room. Once Face Id is set up it works in total darkness because it uses 
IR light to scan your face and light is not required.

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Sent: September 21, 2021 1:39 PM
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Re: Face recognition

2021-09-21 Thread Kay Malmquist
Ok,  That makes perfect sense.  I don't think I'll have any trouble with 
that at all.  At least I know now what to expect.  Thanks bunches.

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  kay, you probably won't need sighted assistance if you know what clockwise 
means, visually. Not everyone does anymore; but I suspect you do.
  When you start the process, VoiceOver speaks the instructions quite well.
  You will start by holding the phone roughly I think a foot in frront of 
your face, with your nose pointed at the center of the screen.
  Then, when it tells you to start rotating your head it will have you look 
up to 12 o'clock as if you were facing a clock.
  Then gradually pretend you are looking toward 3 o'clock, 6, 9, and back to 
12.
  You usually have to go through it a couple times.
  That is what I remember from many months ago.
  That should get you started.
  I'll be doing this on Friday chwhen my new phone arrives.





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RE: Face recognition

2021-09-21 Thread Carolyn
I forgot that clock stuff, but I am very much at home with the concept. 

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Subject: Re: Face recognition

kay, you probably won't need sighted assistance if you know what clockwise 
means, visually. Not everyone does anymore; but I suspect you do. 
When you start the process, VoiceOver speaks the instructions quite well.
You will start by holding the phone roughly I think a foot in frront of your 
face, with your nose pointed at the center of the screen.
Then, when it tells you to start rotating your head it will have you look up to 
12 o'clock as if you were facing a clock.
Then gradually pretend you are looking toward 3 o'clock, 6, 9, and back to 12.
You usually have to go through it a couple times.
That is what I remember from many months ago.
That should get you started.
I'll be doing this on Friday chwhen my new phone arrives.



Richard
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Jane Wagner 
  






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RE: Face recognition

2021-09-21 Thread Carolyn
Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our apartment. 
You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face. The phone will tell 
you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to the left; turn your head 
slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial 
ID, but I was able to do it myself. If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone 
users can. 

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Subject: Face recognition

I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in to this, 
How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted help?  What should I 
expect?  Thanks much for any input.

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Re: Face recognition

2021-09-21 Thread Richard Turner
kay, you probably won't need sighted assistance if you know what clockwise 
means, visually. Not everyone does anymore; but I suspect you do.
When you start the process, VoiceOver speaks the instructions quite well.
You will start by holding the phone roughly I think a foot in frront of your 
face, with your nose pointed at the center of the screen.
Then, when it tells you to start rotating your head it will have you look up to 
12 o'clock as if you were facing a clock.
Then gradually pretend you are looking toward 3 o'clock, 6, 9, and back to 12.
You usually have to go through it a couple times.
That is what I remember from many months ago.
That should get you started.
I'll be doing this on Friday chwhen my new phone arrives.



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Face recognition

2021-09-21 Thread Kay Malmquist
I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in to 
this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted help?  What 
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Re: From touch ID to face recognition

2017-09-21 Thread lenron brown
hahahaha To be honest I like apple well enough, but I would totally be
excited about another up start or something making  waves.

On 9/20/17, Mike B. <mb69ma...@charter.net> wrote:
> Here's a cute joke about facial recognition:
>
> A wife started doing her make up as soon as she woke up.
>
> Her husband asked the reason.
>
> She replied, "I have locked my phone with facial recognition. And it's not
> recognizing me without makeup."
>
> Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
> Sent from my iBarstool.
> Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
> end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
> - Original Message -
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 9:05 PM
> Subject: RE: From touch ID to face recognition
>
>
> Maybe next year touch Id will still be around, in fact it may still be
> around for 2 or 3 years since even now Apple has kept the iPhone 6S which is
>
> a 2-year old phone so if in two years they still offer the iPhone 8 that
> means you can still get a Touch Id phone. However, I think Apple has clearly
>
> indicated where the wind blows, they said that Face Id is the future way of
>
> safely unlocking your phone and I am quite sure they will introduce Face Id
>
> version 2 next year which will be even better, faster and more secure and of
>
> course everybody else will scramble to develop their version of Face Id
> which is as secure as Apple's just as happened with Touch Id.
> It is always said how Apple comes late to the party and they don't innovate,
>
> but while that is true in some ways (example is OLED technology) Face Id as
>
> implemented in the iPhone X is true innovation and nobody can match it at
> this point.
> When Apple released the first retina display it was best in its class, when
>
> they released SIRI they were at the forefront of this technology, the same
> happened with Touch Id and now Face Id.
> Of course we all know that when Apple released the first iPhone it was truly
>
> revolutionary, then a couple of years later came the app store (let's not
> forget that Android didn't even exist or maybe it barely did when that
> happened).
> The way I see it Apple has done something pretty major every 2 or 3 years
> ago at the most and maybe some of you will remember this, but I predict that
>
> in the next one or two years Apple will do it again with wireless charging.
>
> They will take a technology which has existed for 15 years and totally take
>
> it to the next level by offering an iPhone which will charge from a couple
> of feet away or maybe even from 8 or 10 feet away.
> I had a Panasonic razor and I think that was actually 17 or 18 years ago
> which already had inductive charging, all you had to do is stick it into a
> cradle which was mounted on the wall and always plugged in and it would
> charge, the razor itself had no plug in for a cable at all.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of lenron brown
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 8:13 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: From touch ID to face recognition
>
> Unless apple does keep touch id around in some way. Like maybe use the x
> version of the IPhone as it's fancy model and keep the 8 or what ever the
> next version is as it's normal everyday phone. I mean what was the point in
>
> putting touch id on the mac book last year if they want to get rid of it,
> then again the mac book of last year didn't even have a lightning port for
> ear buds.
>
> On 9/20/17, Maria Reyes <the.big.apple.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It’s better to get used to it now because I think Touch ID is to be
>> phased away in future products
>>
>> Maria Reyes
>> Owner of the following groups-
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>> iMessage/FaceTime: the.big.apple.n...@gmail.com
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> on behalf of
>> juan mojena <jmo...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 10:21:46 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: From touch ID to face recognition
>>
>> Of course, you’re right eventually  fingerprint recognition will go away.
>> This is why I’m going from the 6S +to The 10.
>> Juan
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 20, 2017, at 10:13 PM, Sadam Ahmed
>> <li...@sadamahmed.com<mailto:li...@sadamahmed.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> We all know how this will pan out.
>>
>&

Re: From touch ID to face recognition

2017-09-20 Thread Mike B.
Here's a cute joke about facial recognition:

A wife started doing her make up as soon as she woke up.

Her husband asked the reason.

She replied, "I have locked my phone with facial recognition. And it's not
recognizing me without makeup."

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the 
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message - 
From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 9:05 PM
Subject: RE: From touch ID to face recognition


Maybe next year touch Id will still be around, in fact it may still be 
around for 2 or 3 years since even now Apple has kept the iPhone 6S which is 
a 2-year old phone so if in two years they still offer the iPhone 8 that 
means you can still get a Touch Id phone. However, I think Apple has clearly 
indicated where the wind blows, they said that Face Id is the future way of 
safely unlocking your phone and I am quite sure they will introduce Face Id 
version 2 next year which will be even better, faster and more secure and of 
course everybody else will scramble to develop their version of Face Id 
which is as secure as Apple's just as happened with Touch Id.
It is always said how Apple comes late to the party and they don't innovate, 
but while that is true in some ways (example is OLED technology) Face Id as 
implemented in the iPhone X is true innovation and nobody can match it at 
this point.
When Apple released the first retina display it was best in its class, when 
they released SIRI they were at the forefront of this technology, the same 
happened with Touch Id and now Face Id.
Of course we all know that when Apple released the first iPhone it was truly 
revolutionary, then a couple of years later came the app store (let's not 
forget that Android didn't even exist or maybe it barely did when that 
happened).
The way I see it Apple has done something pretty major every 2 or 3 years 
ago at the most and maybe some of you will remember this, but I predict that 
in the next one or two years Apple will do it again with wireless charging. 
They will take a technology which has existed for 15 years and totally take 
it to the next level by offering an iPhone which will charge from a couple 
of feet away or maybe even from 8 or 10 feet away.
I had a Panasonic razor and I think that was actually 17 or 18 years ago 
which already had inductive charging, all you had to do is stick it into a 
cradle which was mounted on the wall and always plugged in and it would 
charge, the razor itself had no plug in for a cable at all.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of lenron brown
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 8:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: From touch ID to face recognition

Unless apple does keep touch id around in some way. Like maybe use the x 
version of the IPhone as it's fancy model and keep the 8 or what ever the 
next version is as it's normal everyday phone. I mean what was the point in 
putting touch id on the mac book last year if they want to get rid of it, 
then again the mac book of last year didn't even have a lightning port for 
ear buds.

On 9/20/17, Maria Reyes <the.big.apple.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It’s better to get used to it now because I think Touch ID is to be
> phased away in future products
>
> Maria Reyes
> Owner of the following groups-
> Apple 411: apple411+subscr...@groups.io
> iMessage/FaceTime: the.big.apple.n...@gmail.com
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> on behalf of
> juan mojena <jmo...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 10:21:46 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: From touch ID to face recognition
>
> Of course, you’re right eventually  fingerprint recognition will go away.
> This is why I’m going from the 6S +to The 10.
> Juan
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 10:13 PM, Sadam Ahmed
> <li...@sadamahmed.com<mailto:li...@sadamahmed.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
> We all know how this will pan out.
>
> The next iPad and the iPhone 11 or whatever comes out next year will
> probably remove touch ID and the home button  completely.
>
> On 21/09/2017 9:33 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>
> And without the home button, you don't have Touch ID, so you have
> facial recognition on the iPhone X but you don't have Touch ID.
>
> On 09/20/2017 02:07 PM, regina alvarado wrote:
>
> Ray, only the iPhone X has facial recognition. The 8 and 8 Plus still
> have the home button. HTH.
>
>
> Reggie and Lex
>
>
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 2:54 PM, 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone
> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@

RE: From touch ID to face recognition

2017-09-20 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Maybe next year touch Id will still be around, in fact it may still be around 
for 2 or 3 years since even now Apple has kept the iPhone 6S which is a 2-year 
old phone so if in two years they still offer the iPhone 8 that means you can 
still get a Touch Id phone. However, I think Apple has clearly indicated where 
the wind blows, they said that Face Id is the future way of safely unlocking 
your phone and I am quite sure they will introduce Face Id version 2 next year 
which will be even better, faster and more secure and of course everybody else 
will scramble to develop their version of Face Id which is as secure as Apple's 
just as happened with Touch Id.
It is always said how Apple comes late to the party and they don't innovate, 
but while that is true in some ways (example is OLED technology) Face Id as 
implemented in the iPhone X is true innovation and nobody can match it at this 
point.
When Apple released the first retina display it was best in its class, when 
they released SIRI they were at the forefront of this technology, the same 
happened with Touch Id and now Face Id.
Of course we all know that when Apple released the first iPhone it was truly 
revolutionary, then a couple of years later came the app store (let's not 
forget that Android didn't even exist or maybe it barely did when that 
happened).
The way I see it Apple has done something pretty major every 2 or 3 years ago 
at the most and maybe some of you will remember this, but I predict that in the 
next one or two years Apple will do it again with wireless charging. They will 
take a technology which has existed for 15 years and totally take it to the 
next level by offering an iPhone which will charge from a couple of feet away 
or maybe even from 8 or 10 feet away.
I had a Panasonic razor and I think that was actually 17 or 18 years ago which 
already had inductive charging, all you had to do is stick it into a cradle 
which was mounted on the wall and always plugged in and it would charge, the 
razor itself had no plug in for a cable at all.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
lenron brown
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 8:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: From touch ID to face recognition

Unless apple does keep touch id around in some way. Like maybe use the x 
version of the IPhone as it's fancy model and keep the 8 or what ever the next 
version is as it's normal everyday phone. I mean what was the point in putting 
touch id on the mac book last year if they want to get rid of it, then again 
the mac book of last year didn't even have a lightning port for ear buds.

On 9/20/17, Maria Reyes <the.big.apple.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It’s better to get used to it now because I think Touch ID is to be 
> phased away in future products
>
> Maria Reyes
> Owner of the following groups-
> Apple 411: apple411+subscr...@groups.io
> iMessage/FaceTime: the.big.apple.n...@gmail.com 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> on behalf of 
> juan mojena <jmo...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 10:21:46 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: From touch ID to face recognition
>
> Of course, you’re right eventually  fingerprint recognition will go away.
> This is why I’m going from the 6S +to The 10.
> Juan
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 10:13 PM, Sadam Ahmed 
> <li...@sadamahmed.com<mailto:li...@sadamahmed.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
> We all know how this will pan out.
>
> The next iPad and the iPhone 11 or whatever comes out next year will 
> probably remove touch ID and the home button  completely.
>
> On 21/09/2017 9:33 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>
> And without the home button, you don't have Touch ID, so you have 
> facial recognition on the iPhone X but you don't have Touch ID.
>
> On 09/20/2017 02:07 PM, regina alvarado wrote:
>
> Ray, only the iPhone X has facial recognition. The 8 and 8 Plus still 
> have the home button. HTH.
>
>
> Reggie and Lex
>
>
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 2:54 PM, 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>
> A bit confused here folks. I got in to a discussion with someone about 
> the new phone models and they mentioned that with the introduction of 
> face recognition, Apple would be eliminating touch ID. Are they doing 
> this and with which model do you no longer have the touch ID function?
> Ray T. Mahorney
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Re: From touch ID to face recognition

2017-09-20 Thread lenron brown
Unless apple does keep touch id around in some way. Like maybe use the
x version of the IPhone as it's fancy model and keep the 8 or what
ever the next version is as it's normal everyday phone. I mean what
was the point in putting touch id on the mac book last year if they
want to get rid of it, then again the mac book of last year didn't
even have a lightning port for ear buds.

On 9/20/17, Maria Reyes <the.big.apple.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It’s better to get used to it now because I think Touch ID is to be phased
> away in future products
>
> Maria Reyes
> Owner of the following groups-
> Apple 411: apple411+subscr...@groups.io
> iMessage/FaceTime: the.big.apple.n...@gmail.com
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> on behalf of juan
> mojena <jmo...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 10:21:46 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: From touch ID to face recognition
>
> Of course, you’re right eventually  fingerprint recognition will go away.
> This is why I’m going from the 6S +to The 10.
> Juan
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 10:13 PM, Sadam Ahmed
> <li...@sadamahmed.com<mailto:li...@sadamahmed.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
> We all know how this will pan out.
>
> The next iPad and the iPhone 11 or whatever comes out next year will
> probably remove touch ID and the home button  completely.
>
> On 21/09/2017 9:33 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>
> And without the home button, you don't have Touch ID, so you have facial
> recognition on the iPhone X but you don't have Touch ID.
>
> On 09/20/2017 02:07 PM, regina alvarado wrote:
>
> Ray, only the iPhone X has facial recognition. The 8 and 8 Plus still have
> the home button. HTH.
>
>
> Reggie and Lex
>
>
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 2:54 PM, 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone
> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>
> A bit confused here folks. I got in to a discussion with someone about the
> new phone models and they mentioned that with the introduction of face
> recognition, Apple would be eliminating touch ID. Are they doing this and
> with which model do you no longer have the touch ID function?
> Ray T. Mahorney
> WA4WGA
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Re: From touch ID to face recognition

2017-09-20 Thread Maria Reyes
It’s better to get used to it now because I think Touch ID is to be phased away 
in future products

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Of course, you’re right eventually  fingerprint recognition will go away. This 
is why I’m going from the 6S +to The 10.
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We all know how this will pan out.

The next iPad and the iPhone 11 or whatever comes out next year will probably 
remove touch ID and the home button  completely.

On 21/09/2017 9:33 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

And without the home button, you don't have Touch ID, so you have facial 
recognition on the iPhone X but you don't have Touch ID.

On 09/20/2017 02:07 PM, regina alvarado wrote:

Ray, only the iPhone X has facial recognition. The 8 and 8 Plus still have the 
home button. HTH.


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Re: From touch ID to face recognition

2017-09-20 Thread 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone
I thought I remembered that correctly.

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Ray, only the iPhone X has facial recognition. The 8 and 8 Plus still have the 
home button. HTH. 



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Re: From touch ID to face recognition

2017-09-20 Thread juan mojena
Of course, you’re right eventually  fingerprint recognition will go away. This 
is why I’m going from the 6S +to The 10.
Juan


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We all know how this will pan out. 

The next iPad and the iPhone 11 or whatever comes out next year will probably 
remove touch ID and the home button  completely. 

> On 21/09/2017 9:33 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> And without the home button, you don't have Touch ID, so you have facial 
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>> Ray, only the iPhone X has facial recognition. The 8 and 8 Plus still have 
>> the home button. HTH. 
>> 
>> 
>> Reggie and Lex
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Re: From touch ID to face recognition

2017-09-20 Thread Sadam Ahmed


We all know how this will pan out.

The next iPad and the iPhone 11 or whatever comes out next year will 
probably remove touch ID and the home button  completely.


On 21/09/2017 9:33 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:


And without the home button, you don't have Touch ID, so you have 
facial recognition on the iPhone X but you don't have Touch ID.



    On 09/20/2017 02:07 PM, regina alvarado wrote:


Ray, only the iPhone X has facial recognition. The 8 and 8 Plus still 
have the home button. HTH.



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2017-09-20 Thread Christopher Chaltain
And without the home button, you don't have Touch ID, so you have facial 
recognition on the iPhone X but you don't have Touch ID.



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Ray, only the iPhone X has facial recognition. The 8 and 8 Plus still 
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Ray, only the iPhone X has facial recognition. The 8 and 8 Plus still have the 
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From touch ID to face recognition

2017-09-20 Thread 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone
A bit confused here folks. I got in to a discussion with someone about the new 
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Apple would be eliminating touch ID. Are they doing this and with which model 
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Trial of face recognition app for Google Glass

2014-06-26 Thread Robin Christopherson
Dear listers

I was approached by a company who are creating a facial recognition app for 
Glass and who are able to provide loan pairs of Glass running their beta 
software over the next couple of months. They are in the UK and would prefer UK 
blind or VI users to help, but would consider further afield too if needs be. 
If you are interested please reply to me off-list and I’ll put you in touch 
with them. Here is the blurb they have provided about the project:

‘iCanSee’ is a face recognition app for Google Glass that notifies a user when 
an individual from a user's database appears in the visual range of the camera. 
This could be particularly useful for people attending meetings at work (to 
know who is in the meeting), going for a networking event, party or even 
recognizing their friends and loved ones on the street etc. 



We are looking for a group of potential early adopters of this technology, who 
are visually impaired or blind who would be interested to take part in 
consultations about the feasibility of this product, features they would like 
or even potentially participating in trials - testing the prototype version of 
this app for a period of time.



Thanks – Robin.

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Face Recognition Feature in IOS 7?

2014-02-04 Thread Jim Fettgather
Hello, is it still possible to have Voiceover identify whether a face is in 
focus using the camera in IOS 7?
I had found instructions in the mail archives suggesting that turning on Grid 
in the camera  settings may make this possible, but so far, I’ve not gotten it 
to work, that is, if this is still available.
Thanks.

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RE: Face Recognition Feature in IOS 7?

2014-02-04 Thread Jennie Facer
I do get this to work. All I have to do is open the camera either from the 
locked screen or the actual app. I haven’t needed to turn anything on.

 

Jenn

 

TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!

 

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Subject: Face Recognition Feature in IOS 7?

 

Hello, is it still possible to have Voiceover identify whether a face is in 
focus using the camera in IOS 7?

I had found instructions in the mail archives suggesting that turning on Grid 
in the camera  settings may make this possible, but so far, I’ve not gotten it 
to work, that is, if this is still available.

Thanks.

 

 

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Has anyone tried the face recognition app KLIK?

2012-06-29 Thread Rahul Bajaj
Hi all,

Yesterday, while randomly browsing through a few websites, I came across an 
article about an app called Klik.
You basically have to take a photo of a person and the app tells you their name 
after searching for it.
It searches for the person's name primarily by using Facebook i.e. by browsing 
through the photos of the people in your friend list.
You can also manually take a person's photo, mention whose photo it is and 
store it in your phone.
It will immediately tell you the person's name by looking at your stored 
photos.  
This way it will be able to find their name quicker.

I think that such an app has immense potential for people who are visually 
impaired.
So, has anyone tried it?
Is it accessible with VO?
Please share your views.

Cheers,
Rahul 

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