RE: beta testing

[Star Gazer]

I managed to get 3. 

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From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 2:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: beta testing

If you get one ignorant technical support person hang up and call back or ask 
to speak to a supervisor. 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 6:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: beta testing

Thank you Daniel. 
I’m sorry my note came across as snotty, I did talk to Apple accessibility who 
sent me over to tier 1 support who were absolutely useless, they didn’t even 
know what Bluetooth was, refused to believe that I bought my charger and Iphone 
from actual vendors v. off the back of someone’s truck, and thought voiceover 
was where you talk to the phone. 



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From: Daniel MacDonald
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 4:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: beta testing

Well, without beta testing you have accessibil...@apple.com and for bugs you 
can submit reports to apple.com/feedback. Beta testing is the best way, but 
you’ve got options for not being interested.
Daniel

On Apr 16, 2021, at 11:48 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
 
Possibly the issue youre having is due to the fact you have an iPhone 12s,
 
Which isnt’ an iPhone available on the world market.
 
Could you mean a 12 or a 12 pro?
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2021 7:49 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: beta testing
 
Thank you Daniel. 
I’m not interested in beta testing, though I’d absolutely love it if apple 
fixed whatever issue is causing the Iphone 12’s not to charge wirelessly and 
also if they could make it so you could pick where you wanted voiceover to go 
when using Bluetooth over the speaker or over the phone speaker. 
I talked with apple accessibility on these issues today, they routed me to 
Apple technical support who had never heard of voiceover nor did they 
understand the charging issue, nor did they understand Bluetooth. 
The guy even said to me “just plug it in” when I was trying to describe the 
charging issue, if I wanted to do that and I liked that option I wouldn’t have 
even brought it up. 
Very frustrating to say the least especially as the charging issue wasn’t 
disclosed when I bought my phone, it is apparently very common with Iphone 12’s 
and I’m told to “just plug it in”. 
Really? 
 
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Daniel MacDonald
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: beta testing
 
IOS 15 is around the corner. I’ll start beta testing when the developer beta 1 
is available. Not much is known about the OS, and developers and beta testers 
alike sign a non-discloser agreement and since this list is not for betas, I 
can’t say anything until iOS 15 is officially reliesed to the public. Their is 
a beta list however, and if some join it, we’ll no everything. It is a 
violation of the list guidelines to be subscribed if you’re not actively beta 
testing. 
Regards,
Daniel
 
 
On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:41 PM, kliph miller Sr  wrote:
I run a beta list, and we test all betas with all aspects.  IOS, MacOS, iPads, 
iPhones, with and without bluetooth keyboards.  Even submitted bug reports, and 
share those bug report numbers so it can be referenced and be connected to the 
same issue.
 
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That’s how it goes down in “only Apple talk and support. Subscribe here
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Come talk
 just apple!
Beta tester for apple products?  come help squash the bugs
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On Apr 15, 2021, at 5:23 PM, deidreandlou...@gmail.com wrote:
 
I would urge beta testers to do a lot of the testing of features  not just from 
bluetooth keyboards but through touching and tapping and swiping on the screen. 
I think things have been overlooked in the past in regard to swiping vs things 
that work real well for those using bluetooth keyboards or braile devices with 
their phones.
 
Deidre
 
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RE: beta testing

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If you get one ignorant technical support person hang up and call back or ask 
to speak to a supervisor.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 6:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: beta testing

Thank you Daniel.
I’m sorry my note came across as snotty, I did talk to Apple accessibility who 
sent me over to tier 1 support who were absolutely useless, they didn’t even 
know what Bluetooth was, refused to believe that I bought my charger and Iphone 
from actual vendors v. off the back of someone’s truck, and thought voiceover 
was where you talk to the phone.



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From: Daniel MacDonald<mailto:daniel.angus.macdon...@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 4:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: beta testing

Well, without beta testing you have accessibil...@apple.com and for bugs you 
can submit reports to apple.com/feedback. Beta testing is the best way, but 
you’ve got options for not being interested.
Daniel

On Apr 16, 2021, at 11:48 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:

Possibly the issue youre having is due to the fact you have an iPhone 12s,

Which isnt’ an iPhone available on the world market.

Could you mean a 12 or a 12 pro?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2021 7:49 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: beta testing

Thank you Daniel.
I’m not interested in beta testing, though I’d absolutely love it if apple 
fixed whatever issue is causing the Iphone 12’s not to charge wirelessly and 
also if they could make it so you could pick where you wanted voiceover to go 
when using Bluetooth over the speaker or over the phone speaker.
I talked with apple accessibility on these issues today, they routed me to 
Apple technical support who had never heard of voiceover nor did they 
understand the charging issue, nor did they understand Bluetooth.
The guy even said to me “just plug it in” when I was trying to describe the 
charging issue, if I wanted to do that and I liked that option I wouldn’t have 
even brought it up.
Very frustrating to say the least especially as the charging issue wasn’t 
disclosed when I bought my phone, it is apparently very common with Iphone 12’s 
and I’m told to “just plug it in”.
Really?


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From: Daniel MacDonald<mailto:daniel.angus.macdon...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: beta testing

IOS 15 is around the corner. I’ll start beta testing when the developer beta 1 
is available. Not much is known about the OS, and developers and beta testers 
alike sign a non-discloser agreement and since this list is not for betas, I 
can’t say anything until iOS 15 is officially reliesed to the public. Their is 
a beta list however, and if some join it, we’ll no everything. It is a 
violation of the list guidelines to be subscribed if you’re not actively beta 
testing.
Regards,
Daniel


On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:41 PM, kliph miller Sr 
mailto:kliph.miller...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I run a beta list, and we test all betas with all aspects.  IOS, MacOS, iPads, 
iPhones, with and without bluetooth keyboards.  Even submitted bug reports, and 
share those bug report numbers so it can be referenced and be connected to the 
same issue.

My groups
User of just apple products, like to ask and answer without other topics?  
That’s how it goes down in “only Apple talk and support. Subscribe here
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<mailto:only-apple-tns+subscr...@groups.io>Come talk
 just apple!
Beta tester for apple products?  come help squash the bugs
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<mailto:public-beta-users+subscr...@groups.io>Because of the non disclosure 
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On Apr 15, 2021, at 5:23 PM, 
deidreandlou...@gmail.com<mailto:deidreandlou...@gmail.com> wrote:

I would urge beta testers to do a lot of the testing of features  not just from 
bluetooth keyboards but through touching and tapping and swiping on the screen. 
I think things have been overlooked in the past in regard to swiping vs things 
that work real well for those using bluetooth keyboards or braile devices with 
their phones.

Deidre

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RE: beta testing

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Have you called Apple regarding your wireless charging issue? I suspect this is 
very specific to you rphone possibly a hardware defect since if this were a 
wide-spread problem one would have heard about it all over the big tech 
publications.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 12:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: beta testing

Thank you Daniel.
I’m not interested in beta testing, though I’d absolutely love it if apple 
fixed whatever issue is causing the Iphone 12’s not to charge wirelessly and 
also if they could make it so you could pick where you wanted voiceover to go 
when using Bluetooth over the speaker or over the phone speaker.
I talked with apple accessibility on these issues today, they routed me to 
Apple technical support who had never heard of voiceover nor did they 
understand the charging issue, nor did they understand Bluetooth.
The guy even said to me “just plug it in” when I was trying to describe the 
charging issue, if I wanted to do that and I liked that option I wouldn’t have 
even brought it up.
Very frustrating to say the least especially as the charging issue wasn’t 
disclosed when I bought my phone, it is apparently very common with Iphone 12’s 
and I’m told to “just plug it in”.
Really?


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From: Daniel MacDonald<mailto:daniel.angus.macdon...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: beta testing

IOS 15 is around the corner. I’ll start beta testing when the developer beta 1 
is available. Not much is known about the OS, and developers and beta testers 
alike sign a non-discloser agreement and since this list is not for betas, I 
can’t say anything until iOS 15 is officially reliesed to the public. Their is 
a beta list however, and if some join it, we’ll no everything. It is a 
violation of the list guidelines to be subscribed if you’re not actively beta 
testing.
Regards,
Daniel


On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:41 PM, kliph miller Sr 
mailto:kliph.miller...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I run a beta list, and we test all betas with all aspects.  IOS, MacOS, iPads, 
iPhones, with and without bluetooth keyboards.  Even submitted bug reports, and 
share those bug report numbers so it can be referenced and be connected to the 
same issue.

My groups
User of just apple products, like to ask and answer without other topics?  
That’s how it goes down in “only Apple talk and support. Subscribe here
only-apple-tns+subscr...@groups.io
<mailto:only-apple-tns+subscr...@groups.io>Come talk
 just apple!
Beta tester for apple products?  come help squash the bugs
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<mailto:public-beta-users+subscr...@groups.io>Because of the non disclosure 
agreement, if your not a beta tester, please don’t join the group.
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On Apr 15, 2021, at 5:23 PM, 
deidreandlou...@gmail.com<mailto:deidreandlou...@gmail.com> wrote:

I would urge beta testers to do a lot of the testing of features  not just from 
bluetooth keyboards but through touching and tapping and swiping on the screen. 
I think things have been overlooked in the past in regard to swiping vs things 
that work real well for those using bluetooth keyboards or braile devices with 
their phones.

Deidre

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RE: beta testing

[Simon A Fogarty]

Sorry what!?

Who this day in age doesn’t know what Bluetooth is?

Hell it’s been around longer than most of the devices we’re talking about on 
the list.

Not knowing about voiceover is something I can kind of understand,

But Bluetooth, really!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Daniel 
MacDonald
Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2021 1:58 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: Daniel Macdonald 
Subject: Re: beta testing

Wow! I think. All apple technical support employees should be trained in 
VoiceOver. To have one not know what bluetooth is probably signifies that they 
were new and just applied for the job and got it, and Apple didn’t have proper 
job requirements. One day, I called Apple Accessibility five times and got new 
employees. I mentioned that I was running the public beta and they asked me 
what the bugs were. Off course, I couldn’t tell them as that’s a violation of 
the non-discloser agreement. Then the last time I called that day, I got the 
head of accessibility technical support. He asked me how good the new staff 
did. I roll him they did well, but they asked me about bugs in beta software 
and explained that is a violation of Apple’s  Non-disclosure agreement. So I 
guess it hit and miss sometimes with Apple Technical support, and unfortunately 
you had a ‘miss’.
Regards,
Daniel



On Apr 16, 2021, at 7:51 PM, Carolyn 
<4carol...@windstream.net<mailto:4carol...@windstream.net>> wrote:

I would have a bird, if I couldn't wireless charge my 11!
c
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Star Gazer
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: beta testing

Thank you Daniel.

I’m not interested in beta testing, though I’d absolutely love it if apple 
fixed whatever issue is causing the Iphone 12’s not to charge wirelessly and 
also if they could make it so you could pick where you wanted voiceover to go 
when using Bluetooth over the speaker or over the phone speaker.

I talked with apple accessibility on these issues today, they routed me to 
Apple technical support who had never heard of voiceover nor did they 
understand the charging issue, nor did they understand Bluetooth.

The guy even said to me “just plug it in” when I was trying to describe the 
charging issue, if I wanted to do that and I liked that option I wouldn’t have 
even brought it up.

Very frustrating to say the least especially as the charging issue wasn’t 
disclosed when I bought my phone, it is apparently very common with Iphone 12’s 
and I’m told to “just plug it in”.

Really?





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From: Daniel MacDonald <mailto:daniel.angus.macdon...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: beta testing



IOS 15 is around the corner. I’ll start beta testing when the developer beta 1 
is available. Not much is known about the OS, and developers and beta testers 
alike sign a non-discloser agreement and since this list is not for betas, I 
can’t say anything until iOS 15 is officially reliesed to the public. Their is 
a beta list however, and if some join it, we’ll no everything. It is a 
violation of the list guidelines to be subscribed if you’re not actively beta 
testing.

Regards,

Daniel







On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:41 PM, kliph miller Sr 
mailto:kliph.miller...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I run a beta list, and we test all betas with all aspects.  
IOS, MacOS, iPads, iPhones, with and without bluetooth keyboards.  Even 
submitted bug reports, and share those bug report numbers so it can be 
referenced and be connected to the same issue.



My groups
User of just apple products, like to ask and answer without 
other topics?  That’s how it goes down in “only Apple talk and support. 
Subscribe here

only-apple-tns+subscr...@groups.io<mailto:only-apple-tns+subscr...@groups.io>
<mailto:only-apple-tns+subscr...@groups.io> Come talk
 just apple!
Beta tester for apple products?  come help squash the bugs

public-beta-users+subscr...@groups.io<mailto:public-beta-users+subscr...@groups.io>
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On Apr 15, 2021, at 5:23 PM, 
de

RE: beta testing

[Richard Turner]

For what it is worth, I forwarded the conversation from this list to apple 
Accessibility and requested both managers in Accessibility and regular tech 
support see the notes.
Please, do what I am also going to do, and provide feedback through the 
www.apple.com/feedback<http://www.apple.com/feedback>.
No one from Apple sees anything on this list and they won’t fix an issue if 
they are not aware of it.
I used to have a good contact who was a Apple Manager but he moved on to a 
different position and I lost track of him.

We need to make a good faith effort to get the attention of someone in 
authority as someone working for Apple who did not know what Bluetooth is, 
tells me it is a generic call center and not actually an in-house Apple person.



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 7:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: beta testing

I had 3 misses.
Very frustrating and I’m sorry, being new at a job doesn’t excuse those 
mistakes, I called people who are paid to be there, I didn’t ask the local 
homeless guy or a random guy at a bar… these guys should have known better.


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Daniel Macdonald<mailto:daniel.angus.macdon...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: beta testing

Wow! I think. All apple technical support employees should be trained in 
VoiceOver. To have one not know what bluetooth is probably signifies that they 
were new and just applied for the job and got it, and Apple didn’t have proper 
job requirements. One day, I called Apple Accessibility five times and got new 
employees. I mentioned that I was running the public beta and they asked me 
what the bugs were. Off course, I couldn’t tell them as that’s a violation of 
the non-discloser agreement. Then the last time I called that day, I got the 
head of accessibility technical support. He asked me how good the new staff 
did. I roll him they did well, but they asked me about bugs in beta software 
and explained that is a violation of Apple’s  Non-disclosure agreement. So I 
guess it hit and miss sometimes with Apple Technical support, and unfortunately 
you had a ‘miss’.
Regards,
Daniel


On Apr 16, 2021, at 7:51 PM, Carolyn 
<4carol...@windstream.net<mailto:4carol...@windstream.net>> wrote:

I would have a bird, if I couldn't wireless charge my 11!
c
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Star Gazer
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: beta testing

Thank you Daniel.

I’m not interested in beta testing, though I’d absolutely love it if apple 
fixed whatever issue is causing the Iphone 12’s not to charge wirelessly and 
also if they could make it so you could pick where you wanted voiceover to go 
when using Bluetooth over the speaker or over the phone speaker.

I talked with apple accessibility on these issues today, they routed me to 
Apple technical support who had never heard of voiceover nor did they 
understand the charging issue, nor did they understand Bluetooth.

The guy even said to me “just plug it in” when I was trying to describe the 
charging issue, if I wanted to do that and I liked that option I wouldn’t have 
even brought it up.

Very frustrating to say the least especially as the charging issue wasn’t 
disclosed when I bought my phone, it is apparently very common with Iphone 12’s 
and I’m told to “just plug it in”.

Really?





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To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@go

RE: beta testing

[Star Gazer]

I had 3 misses. 
Very frustrating and I’m sorry, being new at a job doesn’t excuse those 
mistakes, I called people who are paid to be there, I didn’t ask the local 
homeless guy or a random guy at a bar… these guys should have known better. 


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Daniel MacDonald
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 9:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: Daniel Macdonald
Subject: Re: beta testing

Wow! I think. All apple technical support employees should be trained in 
VoiceOver. To have one not know what bluetooth is probably signifies that they 
were new and just applied for the job and got it, and Apple didn’t have proper 
job requirements. One day, I called Apple Accessibility five times and got new 
employees. I mentioned that I was running the public beta and they asked me 
what the bugs were. Off course, I couldn’t tell them as that’s a violation of 
the non-discloser agreement. Then the last time I called that day, I got the 
head of accessibility technical support. He asked me how good the new staff 
did. I roll him they did well, but they asked me about bugs in beta software 
and explained that is a violation of Apple’s  Non-disclosure agreement. So I 
guess it hit and miss sometimes with Apple Technical support, and unfortunately 
you had a ‘miss’. 
Regards,
Daniel



On Apr 16, 2021, at 7:51 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:

I would have a bird, if I couldn't wireless charge my 11! 
c
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Star Gazer
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: beta testing

Thank you Daniel. 

I’m not interested in beta testing, though I’d absolutely love it if apple 
fixed whatever issue is causing the Iphone 12’s not to charge wirelessly and 
also if they could make it so you could pick where you wanted voiceover to go 
when using Bluetooth over the speaker or over the phone speaker. 

I talked with apple accessibility on these issues today, they routed me to 
Apple technical support who had never heard of voiceover nor did they 
understand the charging issue, nor did they understand Bluetooth. 

The guy even said to me “just plug it in” when I was trying to describe the 
charging issue, if I wanted to do that and I liked that option I wouldn’t have 
even brought it up. 

Very frustrating to say the least especially as the charging issue wasn’t 
disclosed when I bought my phone, it is apparently very common with Iphone 12’s 
and I’m told to “just plug it in”. 

Really? 





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From: Daniel MacDonald <mailto:daniel.angus.macdon...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: beta testing



IOS 15 is around the corner. I’ll start beta testing when the developer beta 1 
is available. Not much is known about the OS, and developers and beta testers 
alike sign a non-discloser agreement and since this list is not for betas, I 
can’t say anything until iOS 15 is officially reliesed to the public. Their is 
a beta list however, and if some join it, we’ll no everything. It is a 
violation of the list guidelines to be subscribed if you’re not actively beta 
testing. 

Regards,

Daniel







On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:41 PM, kliph miller Sr 
 wrote:

I run a beta list, and we test all betas with all aspects.  IOS, 
MacOS, iPads, iPhones, with and without bluetooth keyboards.  Even submitted 
bug reports, and share those bug report numbers so it can be referenced and be 
connected to the same issue.

 

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On Apr 15, 2021, at 5:23 PM, 
deidreandlou...@gmail.com<mailto:deidreandlou...@gmail.com>  wrote:

 

I would urge beta testers to do a lot of the testing of 
features  not just from bluetooth keyboards but through touching and tapping 
and swiping on the screen. I think things have been overlooked in the past in 
regard to swiping vs things that work real well for those using bluetooth 
keyboards or braile devices with their ph

RE: beta testing

[Star Gazer]

Thank you Daniel. 
I’m sorry my note came across as snotty, I did talk to Apple accessibility who 
sent me over to tier 1 support who were absolutely useless, they didn’t even 
know what Bluetooth was, refused to believe that I bought my charger and Iphone 
from actual vendors v. off the back of someone’s truck, and thought voiceover 
was where you talk to the phone. 



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From: Daniel MacDonald
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 4:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: beta testing

Well, without beta testing you have accessibil...@apple.com and for bugs you 
can submit reports to apple.com/feedback. Beta testing is the best way, but 
you’ve got options for not being interested.
Daniel


On Apr 16, 2021, at 11:48 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
 
Possibly the issue youre having is due to the fact you have an iPhone 12s,
 
Which isnt’ an iPhone available on the world market.
 
Could you mean a 12 or a 12 pro?
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2021 7:49 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: beta testing
 
Thank you Daniel. 
I’m not interested in beta testing, though I’d absolutely love it if apple 
fixed whatever issue is causing the Iphone 12’s not to charge wirelessly and 
also if they could make it so you could pick where you wanted voiceover to go 
when using Bluetooth over the speaker or over the phone speaker. 
I talked with apple accessibility on these issues today, they routed me to 
Apple technical support who had never heard of voiceover nor did they 
understand the charging issue, nor did they understand Bluetooth. 
The guy even said to me “just plug it in” when I was trying to describe the 
charging issue, if I wanted to do that and I liked that option I wouldn’t have 
even brought it up. 
Very frustrating to say the least especially as the charging issue wasn’t 
disclosed when I bought my phone, it is apparently very common with Iphone 12’s 
and I’m told to “just plug it in”. 
Really? 
 
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Daniel MacDonald
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: beta testing
 
IOS 15 is around the corner. I’ll start beta testing when the developer beta 1 
is available. Not much is known about the OS, and developers and beta testers 
alike sign a non-discloser agreement and since this list is not for betas, I 
can’t say anything until iOS 15 is officially reliesed to the public. Their is 
a beta list however, and if some join it, we’ll no everything. It is a 
violation of the list guidelines to be subscribed if you’re not actively beta 
testing. 
Regards,
Daniel
 
 
On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:41 PM, kliph miller Sr  wrote:
I run a beta list, and we test all betas with all aspects.  IOS, MacOS, iPads, 
iPhones, with and without bluetooth keyboards.  Even submitted bug reports, and 
share those bug report numbers so it can be referenced and be connected to the 
same issue.
 
My groups
User of just apple products, like to ask and answer without other topics?  
That’s how it goes down in “only Apple talk and support. Subscribe here
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Come talk
 just apple!
Beta tester for apple products?  come help squash the bugs
public-beta-users+subscr...@groups.io
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don’t join the group.
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On Apr 15, 2021, at 5:23 PM, deidreandlou...@gmail.com wrote:
 
I would urge beta testers to do a lot of the testing of features  not just from 
bluetooth keyboards but through touching and tapping and swiping on the screen. 
I think things have been overlooked in the past in regard to swiping vs things 
that work real well for those using bluetooth keyboards or braile devices with 
their phones.
 
Deidre
 
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Re: beta testing

[Daniel MacDonald]

Well, without beta testing you have accessibil...@apple.com and for bugs you 
can submit reports to apple.com/feedback. Beta testing is the best way, but 
you’ve got options for not being interested.
Daniel

> On Apr 16, 2021, at 11:48 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> 
> Possibly the issue youre having is due to the fact you have an iPhone 12s,
>  
> Which isnt’ an iPhone available on the world market.
>  
> Could you mean a 12 or a 12 pro?
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
> Gazer
> Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2021 7:49 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: beta testing
>  
> Thank you Daniel.
> I’m not interested in beta testing, though I’d absolutely love it if apple 
> fixed whatever issue is causing the Iphone 12’s not to charge wirelessly and 
> also if they could make it so you could pick where you wanted voiceover to go 
> when using Bluetooth over the speaker or over the phone speaker.
> I talked with apple accessibility on these issues today, they routed me to 
> Apple technical support who had never heard of voiceover nor did they 
> understand the charging issue, nor did they understand Bluetooth.
> The guy even said to me “just plug it in” when I was trying to describe the 
> charging issue, if I wanted to do that and I liked that option I wouldn’t 
> have even brought it up.
> Very frustrating to say the least especially as the charging issue wasn’t 
> disclosed when I bought my phone, it is apparently very common with Iphone 
> 12’s and I’m told to “just plug it in”.
> Really?
>  
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Daniel MacDonald
> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: beta testing
>  
> IOS 15 is around the corner. I’ll start beta testing when the developer beta 
> 1 is available. Not much is known about the OS, and developers and beta 
> testers alike sign a non-discloser agreement and since this list is not for 
> betas, I can’t say anything until iOS 15 is officially reliesed to the 
> public. Their is a beta list however, and if some join it, we’ll no 
> everything. It is a violation of the list guidelines to be subscribed if 
> you’re not actively beta testing. 
> Regards,
> Daniel
>  
>  
> 
> On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:41 PM, kliph miller Sr  
> wrote:
> 
> I run a beta list, and we test all betas with all aspects.  IOS, MacOS, 
> iPads, iPhones, with and without bluetooth keyboards.  Even submitted bug 
> reports, and share those bug report numbers so it can be referenced and be 
> connected to the same issue.
>  
> My groups
> User of just apple products, like to ask and answer without other topics?  
> That’s how it goes down in “only Apple talk and support. Subscribe here
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> don’t join the group.
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>  
> 
> On Apr 15, 2021, at 5:23 PM, deidreandlou...@gmail.com wrote:
>  
> I would urge beta testers to do a lot of the testing of features  not just 
> from bluetooth keyboards but through touching and tapping and swiping on the 
> screen. I think things have been overlooked in the past in regard to swiping 
> vs things that work real well for those using bluetooth keyboards or braile 
> devices with their phones.
>  
> Deidre
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RE: beta testing

[Simon A Fogarty]

Possibly the issue youre having is due to the fact you have an iPhone 12s,

Which isnt’ an iPhone available on the world market.

Could you mean a 12 or a 12 pro?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2021 7:49 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: beta testing

Thank you Daniel.
I’m not interested in beta testing, though I’d absolutely love it if apple 
fixed whatever issue is causing the Iphone 12’s not to charge wirelessly and 
also if they could make it so you could pick where you wanted voiceover to go 
when using Bluetooth over the speaker or over the phone speaker.
I talked with apple accessibility on these issues today, they routed me to 
Apple technical support who had never heard of voiceover nor did they 
understand the charging issue, nor did they understand Bluetooth.
The guy even said to me “just plug it in” when I was trying to describe the 
charging issue, if I wanted to do that and I liked that option I wouldn’t have 
even brought it up.
Very frustrating to say the least especially as the charging issue wasn’t 
disclosed when I bought my phone, it is apparently very common with Iphone 12’s 
and I’m told to “just plug it in”.
Really?


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From: Daniel MacDonald<mailto:daniel.angus.macdon...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: beta testing

IOS 15 is around the corner. I’ll start beta testing when the developer beta 1 
is available. Not much is known about the OS, and developers and beta testers 
alike sign a non-discloser agreement and since this list is not for betas, I 
can’t say anything until iOS 15 is officially reliesed to the public. Their is 
a beta list however, and if some join it, we’ll no everything. It is a 
violation of the list guidelines to be subscribed if you’re not actively beta 
testing.
Regards,
Daniel


On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:41 PM, kliph miller Sr 
mailto:kliph.miller...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I run a beta list, and we test all betas with all aspects.  IOS, MacOS, iPads, 
iPhones, with and without bluetooth keyboards.  Even submitted bug reports, and 
share those bug report numbers so it can be referenced and be connected to the 
same issue.

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That’s how it goes down in “only Apple talk and support. Subscribe here
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 just apple!
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On Apr 15, 2021, at 5:23 PM, 
deidreandlou...@gmail.com<mailto:deidreandlou...@gmail.com> wrote:

I would urge beta testers to do a lot of the testing of features  not just from 
bluetooth keyboards but through touching and tapping and swiping on the screen. 
I think things have been overlooked in the past in regard to swiping vs things 
that work real well for those using bluetooth keyboards or braile devices with 
their phones.

Deidre

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RE: beta testing

[Carolyn]

I would have a bird, if I couldn't wireless charge my 11! 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Star Gazer
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: beta testing

Thank you Daniel. 

I’m not interested in beta testing, though I’d absolutely love it if apple 
fixed whatever issue is causing the Iphone 12’s not to charge wirelessly and 
also if they could make it so you could pick where you wanted voiceover to go 
when using Bluetooth over the speaker or over the phone speaker. 

I talked with apple accessibility on these issues today, they routed me to 
Apple technical support who had never heard of voiceover nor did they 
understand the charging issue, nor did they understand Bluetooth. 

The guy even said to me “just plug it in” when I was trying to describe the 
charging issue, if I wanted to do that and I liked that option I wouldn’t have 
even brought it up. 

Very frustrating to say the least especially as the charging issue wasn’t 
disclosed when I bought my phone, it is apparently very common with Iphone 12’s 
and I’m told to “just plug it in”. 

Really? 

 

 

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From: Daniel MacDonald <mailto:daniel.angus.macdon...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: beta testing

 

IOS 15 is around the corner. I’ll start beta testing when the developer beta 1 
is available. Not much is known about the OS, and developers and beta testers 
alike sign a non-discloser agreement and since this list is not for betas, I 
can’t say anything until iOS 15 is officially reliesed to the public. Their is 
a beta list however, and if some join it, we’ll no everything. It is a 
violation of the list guidelines to be subscribed if you’re not actively beta 
testing. 

Regards,

Daniel

 





On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:41 PM, kliph miller Sr 
 wrote:

I run a beta list, and we test all betas with all aspects.  IOS, 
MacOS, iPads, iPhones, with and without bluetooth keyboards.  Even submitted 
bug reports, and share those bug report numbers so it can be referenced and be 
connected to the same issue.

 

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 just apple!
Beta tester for apple products?  come help squash the bugs
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<mailto:public-beta-users+subscr...@groups.io> Because of the non 
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On Apr 15, 2021, at 5:23 PM, deidreandlou...@gmail.com 
<mailto:deidreandlou...@gmail.com>  wrote:

 

I would urge beta testers to do a lot of the testing of 
features  not just from bluetooth keyboards but through touching and tapping 
and swiping on the screen. I think things have been overlooked in the past in 
regard to swiping vs things that work real well for those using bluetooth 
keyboards or braile devices with their phones.

 

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[Star Gazer]

Thank you Daniel. 
I’m not interested in beta testing, though I’d absolutely love it if apple 
fixed whatever issue is causing the Iphone 12’s not to charge wirelessly and 
also if they could make it so you could pick where you wanted voiceover to go 
when using Bluetooth over the speaker or over the phone speaker. 
I talked with apple accessibility on these issues today, they routed me to 
Apple technical support who had never heard of voiceover nor did they 
understand the charging issue, nor did they understand Bluetooth. 
The guy even said to me “just plug it in” when I was trying to describe the 
charging issue, if I wanted to do that and I liked that option I wouldn’t have 
even brought it up. 
Very frustrating to say the least especially as the charging issue wasn’t 
disclosed when I bought my phone, it is apparently very common with Iphone 12’s 
and I’m told to “just plug it in”. 
Really? 


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Daniel MacDonald
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: beta testing

IOS 15 is around the corner. I’ll start beta testing when the developer beta 1 
is available. Not much is known about the OS, and developers and beta testers 
alike sign a non-discloser agreement and since this list is not for betas, I 
can’t say anything until iOS 15 is officially reliesed to the public. Their is 
a beta list however, and if some join it, we’ll no everything. It is a 
violation of the list guidelines to be subscribed if you’re not actively beta 
testing. 
Regards,
Daniel



On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:41 PM, kliph miller Sr  wrote:
I run a beta list, and we test all betas with all aspects.  IOS, MacOS, iPads, 
iPhones, with and without bluetooth keyboards.  Even submitted bug reports, and 
share those bug report numbers so it can be referenced and be connected to the 
same issue.

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On Apr 15, 2021, at 5:23 PM, deidreandlou...@gmail.com wrote:

I would urge beta testers to do a lot of the testing of features  not just from 
bluetooth keyboards but through touching and tapping and swiping on the screen. 
I think things have been overlooked in the past in regard to swiping vs things 
that work real well for those using bluetooth keyboards or braile devices with 
their phones.
 
Deidre

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[Daniel MacDonald]

IOS 15 is around the corner. I’ll start beta testing when the developer beta 1 
is available. Not much is known about the OS, and developers and beta testers 
alike sign a non-discloser agreement and since this list is not for betas, I 
can’t say anything until iOS 15 is officially reliesed to the public. Their is 
a beta list however, and if some join it, we’ll no everything. It is a 
violation of the list guidelines to be subscribed if you’re not actively beta 
testing. 
Regards,
Daniel


> On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:41 PM, kliph miller Sr  
> wrote:
> 
> I run a beta list, and we test all betas with all aspects.  IOS, MacOS, 
> iPads, iPhones, with and without bluetooth keyboards.  Even submitted bug 
> reports, and share those bug report numbers so it can be referenced and be 
> connected to the same issue.
> 
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Re: beta testing

[kliph miller Sr]

I run a beta list, and we test all betas with all aspects.  IOS, MacOS, iPads, 
iPhones, with and without bluetooth keyboards.  Even submitted bug reports, and 
share those bug report numbers so it can be referenced and be connected to the 
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Re: beta testing

[Mary Otten]

As someone who does not use a display or a keyboard with my phone, I can tell 
you that there are a lot of beta testers who do the same. Would you like to do 
it as well? Do you have a device that’s not your daily device? How about 
joining the party.
Mary


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> 
> 
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> from bluetooth keyboards but through touching and tapping and swiping on the 
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Re: beta testing was Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!

[Rocket]

Why is it such a big deal to want to be a veta tester?  Does one get paid or 
rewarded in some way for doing this for a private company? 

Marco the rocket! 
Sent from my iPad

On 2013-02-27, at 7:34, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
pamela.a.ekstrand@disney.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I just called the toll free number in the email.  But I was told they have 
 reached the maximum number of people they can have for the trial.  They did 
 take my email address in case they can work something else out, though.
 
 Pam
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of DJ 
 [grou...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:29 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 
 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
 
 I sure would like to know what the e-mail address is to reply to in order to
 receive the test flight information?  Does anyone have such information and
 is willing to share it?  Thank you.
 
 DJ
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Chuck Dean
 Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 12:23 AM
 To: VIPhone
 Subject: Re: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013
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 Hi Richard,
 The on line conference, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App.
 on , Friday,, March 1: 2:00 - 3:00 PM,
 
 It doesn't say what time zone?
 
 
 
 

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RE: beta testing was Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Marco,

No, you don't get paid and the only reward is that you get to play with an
app before it is publically available. People who enjoy testing technology
products whether it's a hardwear device or a piece of software do get some
satisfaction from that and, of course, they also have the reward of being
part of making an app better for the rest of us, discover bugs and suggest
new features which may end up in the final app.


Regards,
Sieghard


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Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 10:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: beta testing was Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free
preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!

Why is it such a big deal to want to be a veta tester?  Does one get paid or
rewarded in some way for doing this for a private company? 

Marco the rocket! 
Sent from my iPad

On 2013-02-27, at 7:34, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
pamela.a.ekstrand@disney.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I just called the toll free number in the email.  But I was told they have
reached the maximum number of people they can have for the trial.  They did
take my email address in case they can work something else out, though.
 
 Pam
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of DJ
[grou...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:29 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013
Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
 
 I sure would like to know what the e-mail address is to reply to in order
to
 receive the test flight information?  Does anyone have such information
and
 is willing to share it?  Thank you.
 
 DJ
 
 
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 Of Chuck Dean
 Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 12:23 AM
 To: VIPhone
 Subject: Re: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013
 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
 
 Hi Richard,
 The on line conference, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App.
 on , Friday,, March 1: 2:00 - 3:00 PM,
 
 It doesn't say what time zone?
 
 
 
 

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Re: beta testing was Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!

[Peter Holdstock]

Because you get your hands on the product well before everyone else (not 
something everyone wants I guess) and you get to have a massive influence in 
how the app functions and turns out. Imagine being able to create the app 
you really want. It's very satisfying for some to also spot the bugs and see 
the changes which come from it.


Peter

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From: Rocket

Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 6:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: beta testing was Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free 
preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!


Why is it such a big deal to want to be a veta tester?  Does one get paid or 
rewarded in some way for doing this for a private company?


Marco the rocket!
Sent from my iPad

On 2013-02-27, at 7:34, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
pamela.a.ekstrand@disney.com wrote:



Hi,

I just called the toll free number in the email.  But I was told they have 
reached the maximum number of people they can have for the trial.  They 
did take my email address in case they can work something else out, 
though.


Pam

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of DJ 
[grou...@gmail.com]

Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 
Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!


I sure would like to know what the e-mail address is to reply to in order 
to
receive the test flight information?  Does anyone have such information 
and

is willing to share it?  Thank you.

DJ


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Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 12:23 AM
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Subject: Re: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013
Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!

Hi Richard,
The on line conference, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App.
on , Friday,, March 1: 2:00 - 3:00 PM,

It doesn't say what time zone?






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Re: beta testing was Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

a couple of reasons I think.  First, you usually get the app or, whatever your 
testing for free.  Second, its cool to have something before everyone else, 
although you are not permitted to talk about it.  Lastly, for me at least, It 
is a good feeling knowing that your comments and suggestions might help improve 
a product for thousands of people.

hth

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
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On Feb 28, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Rocket n...@migotti.net wrote:

 Why is it such a big deal to want to be a veta tester?  Does one get paid or 
 rewarded in some way for doing this for a private company? 
 
 Marco the rocket! 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 2013-02-27, at 7:34, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
 pamela.a.ekstrand@disney.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I just called the toll free number in the email.  But I was told they have 
 reached the maximum number of people they can have for the trial.  They did 
 take my email address in case they can work something else out, though.
 
 Pam
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of DJ 
 [grou...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:29 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 
 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
 
 I sure would like to know what the e-mail address is to reply to in order to
 receive the test flight information?  Does anyone have such information and
 is willing to share it?  Thank you.
 
 DJ
 
 
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 Of Chuck Dean
 Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 12:23 AM
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Re: beta testing was Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!

[Rocket]

Maybe next time when a developer advertises for beta testers, i'll put in my 
name to be a potential tester. Thanks for the responses. 

Marco the rocket 
Sent from my iPad

On 2013-02-28, at 12:16, Peter Holdstock ptrholdst...@gmail.com wrote:

 Because you get your hands on the product well before everyone else (not 
 something everyone wants I guess) and you get to have a massive influence in 
 how the app functions and turns out. Imagine being able to create the app you 
 really want. It's very satisfying for some to also spot the bugs and see the 
 changes which come from it.
 
 Peter
 
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 Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 6:00 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: beta testing was Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, 
 new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
 
 Why is it such a big deal to want to be a veta tester?  Does one get paid or 
 rewarded in some way for doing this for a private company?
 
 Marco the rocket!
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 2013-02-27, at 7:34, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
 pamela.a.ekstrand@disney.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I just called the toll free number in the email.  But I was told they have 
 reached the maximum number of people they can have for the trial.  They did 
 take my email address in case they can work something else out, though.
 
 Pam
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of DJ 
 [grou...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:29 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 
 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
 
 I sure would like to know what the e-mail address is to reply to in order to
 receive the test flight information?  Does anyone have such information and
 is willing to share it?  Thank you.
 
 DJ
 
 
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Re: beta testing was Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!

[Christopher Chaltain]

It used to be the case that you also got a deal on the product when it
was released, like a discount or something for being a beta tester. As
you can see, since so many people want to be beta testers, companies
don't have to offer such incentives, and some companies even charge
people to be beta testers.

A good beta tester and a good beta testing program do place some burdens
on the beta tester. You have to keep details about the product you're
beta testing confidential, and you're usually expected to provide
feedback, both good and bad, so it's more than just an opportunity to
get your hands on an app before everyone else.

On 28/02/13 17:54, Rocket wrote:
 Maybe next time when a developer advertises for beta testers, i'll put in my 
 name to be a potential tester. Thanks for the responses. 
 
 Marco the rocket 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 2013-02-28, at 12:16, Peter Holdstock ptrholdst...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Because you get your hands on the product well before everyone else (not 
 something everyone wants I guess) and you get to have a massive influence in 
 how the app functions and turns out. Imagine being able to create the app 
 you really want. It's very satisfying for some to also spot the bugs and see 
 the changes which come from it.

 Peter

 -Original Message- From: Rocket
 Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 6:00 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: beta testing was Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free 
 preview, new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!

 Why is it such a big deal to want to be a veta tester?  Does one get paid or 
 rewarded in some way for doing this for a private company?

 Marco the rocket!
 Sent from my iPad

 On 2013-02-27, at 7:34, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
 pamela.a.ekstrand@disney.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I just called the toll free number in the email.  But I was told they have 
 reached the maximum number of people they can have for the trial.  They did 
 take my email address in case they can work something else out, though.

 Pam
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of DJ 
 [grou...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:29 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 
 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!

 I sure would like to know what the e-mail address is to reply to in order to
 receive the test flight information?  Does anyone have such information and
 is willing to share it?  Thank you.

 DJ


 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Chuck Dean
 Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 12:23 AM
 To: VIPhone
 Subject: Re: Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013
 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!

 Hi Richard,
 The on line conference, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS iPhone App.
 on , Friday,, March 1: 2:00 - 3:00 PM,

 It doesn't say what time zone?

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