Re: voiceover during a call
Thanks. I'll try and remember that. I'm not sure if the list owners would do this. In addition to their tag line with the list info, maybe put accessibil...@apple.com for accessibilty issues. - Original Message - From: Chris christopher...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 11:03 AM Subject: Re: voiceover during a call accessibil...@apple.com Christopher Hallsworth On 21/10/2012 16:43, Tom rash wrote: And what is that e-mail to voice these concerns? - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 10:37 PM Subject: RE: voiceover during a call Hello Raul, I wish Apple would fix it so that Voiceover simply either does not announce the call duration or that it doesn't do so by somehow automatically focusing it away from that. Moving focus away from call duration is not hard to do, but it's a pain in the neck if I am answering a call with my headset and have the iPhone on my belt or in an inside pocket especially in the winter when it's under or inside a big coat; not everybody lives where it's warm year-round and where down coats aren't needed because it's 20 or 30 below. The way Voiceover currently behaves when a call is active is just not good and while we are on the subject it would also be nice if Voiceover wouldn't start reading push notifications or incoming text messages while I am on a call. Once again, I know it's easy to stop this if I have the phone in my hand and it's not hard to start a call and then turn off speech with a 3-finger double tap, but I often initiate a call when I am on the go by just using the headset and telling SIRI to call so and so and it wouldn't be the first time when I have to tell somebody who is talking to me to hold on because a text message or push notification just came in and I have to wait until it finishes reading it or I have to dig the phone out of my pocket/take it off my belt clip to stop it. I have, by the way, expressed these thought to Apple accessibility and I hope others do it as well. Regards, Sieghard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: voiceover during a call
I have never had that problem. I have found that VO leaves focus in the last field from session to session, so if you move focus away from the call timer, it remains away. If it returns to the call timer, you may well be lightly brushing the timer field which moves focus there. Remember, iOS requires merely the lightest touch and is not pressure sensitive. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 21/10/2012, at 18:37, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hello Raul, I wish Apple would fix it so that Voiceover simply either does not announce the call duration or that it doesn't do so by somehow automatically focusing it away from that. Moving focus away from call duration is not hard to do, but it's a pain in the neck if I am answering a call with my headset and have the iPhone on my belt or in an inside pocket especially in the winter when it's under or inside a big coat; not everybody lives where it's warm year-round and where down coats aren't needed because it's 20 or 30 below. The way Voiceover currently behaves when a call is active is just not good and while we are on the subject it would also be nice if Voiceover wouldn't start reading push notifications or incoming text messages while I am on a call. Once again, I know it's easy to stop this if I have the phone in my hand and it's not hard to start a call and then turn off speech with a 3-finger double tap, but I often initiate a call when I am on the go by just using the headset and telling SIRI to call so and so and it wouldn't be the first time when I have to tell somebody who is talking to me to hold on because a text message or push notification just came in and I have to wait until it finishes reading it or I have to dig the phone out of my pocket/take it off my belt clip to stop it. I have, by the way, expressed these thought to Apple accessibility and I hope others do it as well. Regards, Sieghard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: voiceover during a call
Sieghard, I would not want VO to stop announcing alerts etc.; however, what would be nice is if VO's volume could be reduced as to be below the volume of the call. I'm not sure if it would be easy to implement. ALthough, one possible option would be to have the alert sound and provided you could check the screen if you choose would be a reasonable solution. THis would add a layer of complexity since now you are asking VO to speak in the lock screen except while a call is active. Of course then others will likely want this to be a toggle option. :) On Oct 21, 2012, at 1:37 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hello Raul, I wish Apple would fix it so that Voiceover simply either does not announce the call duration or that it doesn't do so by somehow automatically focusing it away from that. Moving focus away from call duration is not hard to do, but it's a pain in the neck if I am answering a call with my headset and have the iPhone on my belt or in an inside pocket especially in the winter when it's under or inside a big coat; not everybody lives where it's warm year-round and where down coats aren't needed because it's 20 or 30 below. The way Voiceover currently behaves when a call is active is just not good and while we are on the subject it would also be nice if Voiceover wouldn't start reading push notifications or incoming text messages while I am on a call. Once again, I know it's easy to stop this if I have the phone in my hand and it's not hard to start a call and then turn off speech with a 3-finger double tap, but I often initiate a call when I am on the go by just using the headset and telling SIRI to call so and so and it wouldn't be the first time when I have to tell somebody who is talking to me to hold on because a text message or push notification just came in and I have to wait until it finishes reading it or I have to dig the phone out of my pocket/take it off my belt clip to stop it. I have, by the way, expressed these thought to Apple accessibility and I hope others do it as well. Regards, Sieghard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: voiceover during a call
And what is that e-mail to voice these concerns? - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 10:37 PM Subject: RE: voiceover during a call Hello Raul, I wish Apple would fix it so that Voiceover simply either does not announce the call duration or that it doesn't do so by somehow automatically focusing it away from that. Moving focus away from call duration is not hard to do, but it's a pain in the neck if I am answering a call with my headset and have the iPhone on my belt or in an inside pocket especially in the winter when it's under or inside a big coat; not everybody lives where it's warm year-round and where down coats aren't needed because it's 20 or 30 below. The way Voiceover currently behaves when a call is active is just not good and while we are on the subject it would also be nice if Voiceover wouldn't start reading push notifications or incoming text messages while I am on a call. Once again, I know it's easy to stop this if I have the phone in my hand and it's not hard to start a call and then turn off speech with a 3-finger double tap, but I often initiate a call when I am on the go by just using the headset and telling SIRI to call so and so and it wouldn't be the first time when I have to tell somebody who is talking to me to hold on because a text message or push notification just came in and I have to wait until it finishes reading it or I have to dig the phone out of my pocket/take it off my belt clip to stop it. I have, by the way, expressed these thought to Apple accessibility and I hope others do it as well. Regards, Sieghard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: voiceover during a call
accessibil...@apple.com Christopher Hallsworth On 21/10/2012 16:43, Tom rash wrote: And what is that e-mail to voice these concerns? - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 10:37 PM Subject: RE: voiceover during a call Hello Raul, I wish Apple would fix it so that Voiceover simply either does not announce the call duration or that it doesn't do so by somehow automatically focusing it away from that. Moving focus away from call duration is not hard to do, but it's a pain in the neck if I am answering a call with my headset and have the iPhone on my belt or in an inside pocket especially in the winter when it's under or inside a big coat; not everybody lives where it's warm year-round and where down coats aren't needed because it's 20 or 30 below. The way Voiceover currently behaves when a call is active is just not good and while we are on the subject it would also be nice if Voiceover wouldn't start reading push notifications or incoming text messages while I am on a call. Once again, I know it's easy to stop this if I have the phone in my hand and it's not hard to start a call and then turn off speech with a 3-finger double tap, but I often initiate a call when I am on the go by just using the headset and telling SIRI to call so and so and it wouldn't be the first time when I have to tell somebody who is talking to me to hold on because a text message or push notification just came in and I have to wait until it finishes reading it or I have to dig the phone out of my pocket/take it off my belt clip to stop it. I have, by the way, expressed these thought to Apple accessibility and I hope others do it as well. Regards, Sieghard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: voiceover during a call
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Re: voiceover during a call
I experienced this low VO volume on my iPhone 4S on iOS 6, but not on my new 5. It also never happened to me on iOS 5.x and earlier. Sorry for the empty message just a second ago! Grant -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: voiceover during a call
Hi Pablo, There is an easy fix for Voiceover announcing the call duration when you are on a call. Just take your phone and flick once to the right, all you have to do is move Voiceover focus away from the call duration and it will stop announcing it. You should also write to accessibil...@apple.com because they really need to fix this. I wrote to them regarding that and was told this is the expected behavior, e.g. Voiceover announces the call duration as it changes. However, I don't think this should be the way it behaves, it would be like saying Voiceover continuously reads out the elapsed time or time remaining when a song is playing and it doesn't do that either. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 1:25 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: voiceover during a call I have seen this issue in my iPhone 4, and it happen with the numbers, or just using the keyboard. Some times it doesn't say the letter or number, so I need to delete something, to make sure that I wrote, or if I need to retype a number or word. But the worse part is every time when I receive a called, voice over keep saying the duration of the called, and It doesn't allow me to talk, because I have voice over talking so loud and I can't understand what the person on the call is saying. Pablo - Original Message - From: Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:58 PM Subject: Re: voiceover during a call I am experiencing some strange volume issues on my iPhone 5 with VO as well. VO is loud enough, but not all numbers are spoken when I find them on the phone. Sometimes the numbers take a moment or two to be spoken by VO and other times they are spoken as soon as I touch them. I am also not hearing the touch tones when I press a number on the phone, after the call connects and goes through. I recall hearing the touch tones and the numbers being spoken all the time in iOS 5, but I've had trouble with this since I've been using the iPhone 5 with iOS 6. I've had the new phone for about 9 days and am still getting used to everything. I have used iOS 6 on an iPhone 4 and don't recall having these issues. The issues don't happen all the time, but they do happen often enough. Regards, Wayne On 10/13/12, Robert Doc Wright yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com wrote: it is the case that is causing the problem. The case was on my 3gs *** character is found in how you treat people who can't do anything for you. web page http://www.wrighthere.net - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 2:22 AM Subject: RE: voiceover during a call Hi Robert, I just send a reply to Apple Accessibility about Voiceover volume during a call. I reported this to them and they replied with some suggestions, but they only consisted of the explanation about how to make sure speakerphone mode is properly activated which means they thought somehow the phone hadn't switched to speakerphone and this is why I couldn't hear Voiceover. I have no problem with my phone switching to speakerphone when I take it away from my ear. I am not sure if you have your phone in a case, but make sure you try it without case as sometimes a case can cover the proximity sensor and that is what causes your phone to switch to speakerphone. I usually do this: I dial the number I want to call and after I double tap on call I put my hand over the top part of the phone where the slot is in the glass for the earpiece. Once the phone on the other end starts ringing I remove my hand and now the proximity sensor should of course notice nothing is covering it and switch to speakerphone. However, I still have the volume issue. I have volume in my rotor settings and after a call connects I can turn up VO volume to 100% by turning the rotor to Volume and then flicking up until I get to 100%. Then I turn down the call volume to as low as it will go with the volume down button, but first of all the call volume does not seem to go lower than a certain level and Voiceover even at 100% can hardly be heard over the call volume. You can of course work around this by using a headset, but I definitely suggest you write to Apple Accessibility and report this because it seems to be one of those bugs which most iPhone 5 users and some iPhone 4S and 4 users also don't seem to have. I did a factory reset about 3 days after I updated to iOS 6 because of a few other issues and at first this seemed to be better, but after I tried to place calls where I had to enter numbers, listen to menus etc. a few times I find it really isn't much better if at all. As far as I am concerned this is one of the more inconvenient and serious bugs because
Re: voiceover during a call and Apple Accessibility emails to me
Sieghard, I also experience this, but what I have wondered is if VO in fact is switching not just volume levels, but perhaps from the speakerphone mode to the earpiece. I am not sure this will be easy to confirm, but I might be able to try with a microphone. Of course I could be wrong, but it just seemed to me this is a possibility. On Oct 20, 2012, at 4:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Alex and Grant, I also have this issue on my iPhone 4S with iOS 6 and you are correct, Grant, this was not a problem in iOS 5 and apparently it affects only a relatively small number of iOS 6 users right now. I had a pretty comprehensive email exchange with Apple Accessibility about this since I consider it a very annoying and important bug. I was told to try and switch off SIRI as apparently this is caused by something else using the audio on your iPhone. When I did turn off SIRI and made a speakerphone call to my credit card inquiry line at first there seemed to be little difference except that I seemed to be able to turn the call volume down way lower than before when pressing the volume down button during a call only lowered the volume slightly. However even with volume set to 100% using the rotor VO came out very quietly. I then turned the volume way up with the volume buttons and suddenly Voiceover came out loud if not exactly clear and it seems to fluctuate a lot for me when I press different numbers. Some are loud and clear and others are not so loud and a bit fuzzy. I then turned SIRI back on and experienced the same behavior. I reported this all back to Apple and was told in a reply that they are investigating this. Overall after I urned off SIRI and then turned it back on I can use the speakerphone a bit better, I just have to turn the volume up fairly loud with the volume buttons. I know VO volume is supposed to be independent from call volume and I can't do this if I am anywhere near people, but it's at least a bit better now and anybody who has problems with this please try turning up the call volume when on speakerphone, make sure you don't cover the top fo the phone with your hand as this causes the call to switch back to earpiece. I'd suggest you try it first before you turn off SIRI, but if it doesn't make a difference turn off SIRI and try it, then turn it back on and by all means, do report this to accessibil...@apple.com so they get a better understanding of the scope of this. For those who are interested in hearing it from the horse's mouth, here is part of the email thread: Message from Apple: Hello, Sieghard, Your response clarifies that you are accessing the features correctly. The Viphone site confirms that you are not the only 4/4s user experiencing this behavior... and also that you are acting as spokesperson for several of these, which we appreciate. All details from your reply have been forwarded to the team investigating this issue. It is possible that you will be asked for some specific information about what's on your phone, or details of how it is configured; because the number of 4/4s owners affected by this behavior in iOS 6 is small, it is possible that the behavior is related to something else installed on your phone, or an unexpected combination of configurations. You may discover common threads of this nature while discussing the problem with others; the things that would be most likely to be involved would be things that use the iPhone's audio and speech generation subsystems. either specialized or relatively uncommon software add-ons, or something in the way you and others have configured settings that would be different than that 'normal' or most obvious ways. So if anything of this sort comes to your attention, it may help our team to hear of it. So far, no one on the team has been able to reproduce the problem, using equipment that has no additional software installed. We'll let you know if we have additional questions, or if a possible workaround needs testing; because we cannot reproduce the problem, we may in future ask you to try one thing or another. For now, there is no need to reply unless additional information comes to light; we will be back in touch when appropriate. Thank you. Apple Accessibility Message 2: Sieghard, Something I may not have asked, that could be a factor: do you have other assistive software that uses the speaker turned on? Siri, perhaps, or other software you've added to your iPhone that speaks or gives audio prompts while you are using the phone? Thanks, Apple Accessibility My reply: Hello, I do use and have always used SIRI from day 1. However, in iOS 5 the volume problem did not exist. I can't think of anything else I use and in any case, I did do a factory restore a few days after I upgraded to iOS 6 as I had a few other minor issues and I setup my phone as a new phone. I had this volume issue with calls even
Re: voiceover during a call
Hi, as a general habit when I'm on a call, I automatically touch the lower-left corner of the screen where the end button is. This way there is no extra verbiage and this way I can quickly double-tap the screen when I'm done talking. Yes, I know about 2-finger double-tap, but since I already focus the end button to avoid Voice Over speaking, it leaves it ready for me to hang up with one finger when I want to. -- Raul A. Gallegos Monday is an awful way to spend 1/7th of your life. - Steven Wright Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 10/20/2012 3:41 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Pablo, There is an easy fix for Voiceover announcing the call duration when you are on a call. Just take your phone and flick once to the right, all you have to do is move Voiceover focus away from the call duration and it will stop announcing it. You should also write to accessibil...@apple.com because they really need to fix this. I wrote to them regarding that and was told this is the expected behavior, e.g. Voiceover announces the call duration as it changes. However, I don't think this should be the way it behaves, it would be like saying Voiceover continuously reads out the elapsed time or time remaining when a song is playing and it doesn't do that either. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 1:25 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: voiceover during a call I have seen this issue in my iPhone 4, and it happen with the numbers, or just using the keyboard. Some times it doesn't say the letter or number, so I need to delete something, to make sure that I wrote, or if I need to retype a number or word. But the worse part is every time when I receive a called, voice over keep saying the duration of the called, and It doesn't allow me to talk, because I have voice over talking so loud and I can't understand what the person on the call is saying. Pablo - Original Message - From: Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:58 PM Subject: Re: voiceover during a call I am experiencing some strange volume issues on my iPhone 5 with VO as well. VO is loud enough, but not all numbers are spoken when I find them on the phone. Sometimes the numbers take a moment or two to be spoken by VO and other times they are spoken as soon as I touch them. I am also not hearing the touch tones when I press a number on the phone, after the call connects and goes through. I recall hearing the touch tones and the numbers being spoken all the time in iOS 5, but I've had trouble with this since I've been using the iPhone 5 with iOS 6. I've had the new phone for about 9 days and am still getting used to everything. I have used iOS 6 on an iPhone 4 and don't recall having these issues. The issues don't happen all the time, but they do happen often enough. Regards, Wayne On 10/13/12, Robert Doc Wright yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com wrote: it is the case that is causing the problem. The case was on my 3gs *** character is found in how you treat people who can't do anything for you. web page http://www.wrighthere.net - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 2:22 AM Subject: RE: voiceover during a call Hi Robert, I just send a reply to Apple Accessibility about Voiceover volume during a call. I reported this to them and they replied with some suggestions, but they only consisted of the explanation about how to make sure speakerphone mode is properly activated which means they thought somehow the phone hadn't switched to speakerphone and this is why I couldn't hear Voiceover. I have no problem with my phone switching to speakerphone when I take it away from my ear. I am not sure if you have your phone in a case, but make sure you try it without case as sometimes a case can cover the proximity sensor and that is what causes your phone to switch to speakerphone. I usually do this: I dial the number I want to call and after I double tap on call I put my hand over the top part of the phone where the slot is in the glass for the earpiece. Once the phone on the other end starts ringing I remove my hand and now the proximity sensor should of course notice nothing is covering it and switch to speakerphone. However, I still have the volume issue. I have volume in my rotor settings and after a call connects I can turn up VO volume to 100% by turning the rotor to Volume and then flicking up until I get to 100%. Then I turn down the call volume to as low as it will go with the volume down button, but first of all the call volume does not seem to go lower than a certain level and Voiceover even at 100% can hardly be heard over the call volume. You can of course work around
Re: voiceover during a call
or if you lock the screen twice that will stop it as well. -- Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: voiceover during a call
Would turning on the mute button during a call stop voice over from interupting the phone call? If so, couldn't it, in future versions, automatically switch to mute mode during a phone call? - Original Message - From: Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 2:21 AM Subject: Re: voiceover during a call Hi, as a general habit when I'm on a call, I automatically touch the lower-left corner of the screen where the end button is. This way there is no extra verbiage and this way I can quickly double-tap the screen when I'm done talking. Yes, I know about 2-finger double-tap, but since I already focus the end button to avoid Voice Over speaking, it leaves it ready for me to hang up with one finger when I want to. -- Raul A. Gallegos Monday is an awful way to spend 1/7th of your life. - Steven Wright Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 10/20/2012 3:41 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Pablo, There is an easy fix for Voiceover announcing the call duration when you are on a call. Just take your phone and flick once to the right, all you have to do is move Voiceover focus away from the call duration and it will stop announcing it. You should also write to accessibil...@apple.com because they really need to fix this. I wrote to them regarding that and was told this is the expected behavior, e.g. Voiceover announces the call duration as it changes. However, I don't think this should be the way it behaves, it would be like saying Voiceover continuously reads out the elapsed time or time remaining when a song is playing and it doesn't do that either. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 1:25 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: voiceover during a call I have seen this issue in my iPhone 4, and it happen with the numbers, or just using the keyboard. Some times it doesn't say the letter or number, so I need to delete something, to make sure that I wrote, or if I need to retype a number or word. But the worse part is every time when I receive a called, voice over keep saying the duration of the called, and It doesn't allow me to talk, because I have voice over talking so loud and I can't understand what the person on the call is saying. Pablo - Original Message - From: Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:58 PM Subject: Re: voiceover during a call I am experiencing some strange volume issues on my iPhone 5 with VO as well. VO is loud enough, but not all numbers are spoken when I find them on the phone. Sometimes the numbers take a moment or two to be spoken by VO and other times they are spoken as soon as I touch them. I am also not hearing the touch tones when I press a number on the phone, after the call connects and goes through. I recall hearing the touch tones and the numbers being spoken all the time in iOS 5, but I've had trouble with this since I've been using the iPhone 5 with iOS 6. I've had the new phone for about 9 days and am still getting used to everything. I have used iOS 6 on an iPhone 4 and don't recall having these issues. The issues don't happen all the time, but they do happen often enough. Regards, Wayne On 10/13/12, Robert Doc Wright yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com wrote: it is the case that is causing the problem. The case was on my 3gs *** character is found in how you treat people who can't do anything for you. web page http://www.wrighthere.net - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 2:22 AM Subject: RE: voiceover during a call Hi Robert, I just send a reply to Apple Accessibility about Voiceover volume during a call. I reported this to them and they replied with some suggestions, but they only consisted of the explanation about how to make sure speakerphone mode is properly activated which means they thought somehow the phone hadn't switched to speakerphone and this is why I couldn't hear Voiceover. I have no problem with my phone switching to speakerphone when I take it away from my ear. I am not sure if you have your phone in a case, but make sure you try it without case as sometimes a case can cover the proximity sensor and that is what causes your phone to switch to speakerphone. I usually do this: I dial the number I want to call and after I double tap on call I put my hand over the top part of the phone where the slot is in the glass for the earpiece. Once the phone on the other end starts ringing I remove my hand and now the proximity sensor should of course notice nothing is covering it and switch to speakerphone. However, I still have the volume issue. I have volume in my rotor settings
Re: voiceover during a call
I don't know, but considering that it takes little effort to simply change the focus of what Voice Over is speaking, it seems pointless to have such a feature. -- Raul A. Gallegos The trouble with bucket seats is that not everybody has the same size bucket. Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 10/20/2012 10:37 AM, Tom rash wrote: Would turning on the mute button during a call stop voice over from interupting the phone call? If so, couldn't it, in future versions, automatically switch to mute mode during a phone call? - Original Message - From: Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 2:21 AM Subject: Re: voiceover during a call Hi, as a general habit when I'm on a call, I automatically touch the lower-left corner of the screen where the end button is. This way there is no extra verbiage and this way I can quickly double-tap the screen when I'm done talking. Yes, I know about 2-finger double-tap, but since I already focus the end button to avoid Voice Over speaking, it leaves it ready for me to hang up with one finger when I want to. -- Raul A. Gallegos Monday is an awful way to spend 1/7th of your life. - Steven Wright Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 10/20/2012 3:41 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Pablo, There is an easy fix for Voiceover announcing the call duration when you are on a call. Just take your phone and flick once to the right, all you have to do is move Voiceover focus away from the call duration and it will stop announcing it. You should also write to accessibil...@apple.com because they really need to fix this. I wrote to them regarding that and was told this is the expected behavior, e.g. Voiceover announces the call duration as it changes. However, I don't think this should be the way it behaves, it would be like saying Voiceover continuously reads out the elapsed time or time remaining when a song is playing and it doesn't do that either. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 1:25 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: voiceover during a call I have seen this issue in my iPhone 4, and it happen with the numbers, or just using the keyboard. Some times it doesn't say the letter or number, so I need to delete something, to make sure that I wrote, or if I need to retype a number or word. But the worse part is every time when I receive a called, voice over keep saying the duration of the called, and It doesn't allow me to talk, because I have voice over talking so loud and I can't understand what the person on the call is saying. Pablo - Original Message - From: Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:58 PM Subject: Re: voiceover during a call I am experiencing some strange volume issues on my iPhone 5 with VO as well. VO is loud enough, but not all numbers are spoken when I find them on the phone. Sometimes the numbers take a moment or two to be spoken by VO and other times they are spoken as soon as I touch them. I am also not hearing the touch tones when I press a number on the phone, after the call connects and goes through. I recall hearing the touch tones and the numbers being spoken all the time in iOS 5, but I've had trouble with this since I've been using the iPhone 5 with iOS 6. I've had the new phone for about 9 days and am still getting used to everything. I have used iOS 6 on an iPhone 4 and don't recall having these issues. The issues don't happen all the time, but they do happen often enough. Regards, Wayne On 10/13/12, Robert Doc Wright yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com wrote: it is the case that is causing the problem. The case was on my 3gs *** character is found in how you treat people who can't do anything for you. web page http://www.wrighthere.net - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 2:22 AM Subject: RE: voiceover during a call Hi Robert, I just send a reply to Apple Accessibility about Voiceover volume during a call. I reported this to them and they replied with some suggestions, but they only consisted of the explanation about how to make sure speakerphone mode is properly activated which means they thought somehow the phone hadn't switched to speakerphone and this is why I couldn't hear Voiceover. I have no problem with my phone switching to speakerphone when I take it away from my ear. I am not sure if you have your phone in a case, but make sure you try it without case as sometimes a case can cover the proximity sensor and that is what causes your phone to switch to speakerphone. I usually do this: I dial the number I want
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Hi Raul List; I noticed that when I am on a long call and, the screen is locked periodically the screen still pops up. Anthony Sent from my Verizon iPhone! On Oct 20, 2012, at 5:22 PM, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: I don't know, but considering that it takes little effort to simply change the focus of what Voice Over is speaking, it seems pointless to have such a feature. -- Raul A. Gallegos The trouble with bucket seats is that not everybody has the same size bucket. Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 10/20/2012 10:37 AM, Tom rash wrote: Would turning on the mute button during a call stop voice over from interupting the phone call? If so, couldn't it, in future versions, automatically switch to mute mode during a phone call? - Original Message - From: Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 2:21 AM Subject: Re: voiceover during a call Hi, as a general habit when I'm on a call, I automatically touch the lower-left corner of the screen where the end button is. This way there is no extra verbiage and this way I can quickly double-tap the screen when I'm done talking. Yes, I know about 2-finger double-tap, but since I already focus the end button to avoid Voice Over speaking, it leaves it ready for me to hang up with one finger when I want to. -- Raul A. Gallegos Monday is an awful way to spend 1/7th of your life. - Steven Wright Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 10/20/2012 3:41 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Pablo, There is an easy fix for Voiceover announcing the call duration when you are on a call. Just take your phone and flick once to the right, all you have to do is move Voiceover focus away from the call duration and it will stop announcing it. You should also write to accessibil...@apple.com because they really need to fix this. I wrote to them regarding that and was told this is the expected behavior, e.g. Voiceover announces the call duration as it changes. However, I don't think this should be the way it behaves, it would be like saying Voiceover continuously reads out the elapsed time or time remaining when a song is playing and it doesn't do that either. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 1:25 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: voiceover during a call I have seen this issue in my iPhone 4, and it happen with the numbers, or just using the keyboard. Some times it doesn't say the letter or number, so I need to delete something, to make sure that I wrote, or if I need to retype a number or word. But the worse part is every time when I receive a called, voice over keep saying the duration of the called, and It doesn't allow me to talk, because I have voice over talking so loud and I can't understand what the person on the call is saying. Pablo - Original Message - From: Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:58 PM Subject: Re: voiceover during a call I am experiencing some strange volume issues on my iPhone 5 with VO as well. VO is loud enough, but not all numbers are spoken when I find them on the phone. Sometimes the numbers take a moment or two to be spoken by VO and other times they are spoken as soon as I touch them. I am also not hearing the touch tones when I press a number on the phone, after the call connects and goes through. I recall hearing the touch tones and the numbers being spoken all the time in iOS 5, but I've had trouble with this since I've been using the iPhone 5 with iOS 6. I've had the new phone for about 9 days and am still getting used to everything. I have used iOS 6 on an iPhone 4 and don't recall having these issues. The issues don't happen all the time, but they do happen often enough. Regards, Wayne On 10/13/12, Robert Doc Wright yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com wrote: it is the case that is causing the problem. The case was on my 3gs *** character is found in how you treat people who can't do anything for you. web page http://www.wrighthere.net - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 2:22 AM Subject: RE: voiceover during a call Hi Robert, I just send a reply to Apple Accessibility about Voiceover volume during a call. I reported this to them and they replied with some suggestions, but they only consisted of the explanation about how to make sure speakerphone mode is properly activated which means they thought somehow the phone hadn't switched to speakerphone and this is why I couldn't
RE: voiceover during a call
Hello Raul, I wish Apple would fix it so that Voiceover simply either does not announce the call duration or that it doesn't do so by somehow automatically focusing it away from that. Moving focus away from call duration is not hard to do, but it's a pain in the neck if I am answering a call with my headset and have the iPhone on my belt or in an inside pocket especially in the winter when it's under or inside a big coat; not everybody lives where it's warm year-round and where down coats aren't needed because it's 20 or 30 below. The way Voiceover currently behaves when a call is active is just not good and while we are on the subject it would also be nice if Voiceover wouldn't start reading push notifications or incoming text messages while I am on a call. Once again, I know it's easy to stop this if I have the phone in my hand and it's not hard to start a call and then turn off speech with a 3-finger double tap, but I often initiate a call when I am on the go by just using the headset and telling SIRI to call so and so and it wouldn't be the first time when I have to tell somebody who is talking to me to hold on because a text message or push notification just came in and I have to wait until it finishes reading it or I have to dig the phone out of my pocket/take it off my belt clip to stop it. I have, by the way, expressed these thought to Apple accessibility and I hope others do it as well. Regards, Sieghard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: voiceover during a call
I am experiencing some strange volume issues on my iPhone 5 with VO as well. VO is loud enough, but not all numbers are spoken when I find them on the phone. Sometimes the numbers take a moment or two to be spoken by VO and other times they are spoken as soon as I touch them. I am also not hearing the touch tones when I press a number on the phone, after the call connects and goes through. I recall hearing the touch tones and the numbers being spoken all the time in iOS 5, but I've had trouble with this since I've been using the iPhone 5 with iOS 6. I've had the new phone for about 9 days and am still getting used to everything. I have used iOS 6 on an iPhone 4 and don't recall having these issues. The issues don't happen all the time, but they do happen often enough. Regards, Wayne On 10/13/12, Robert Doc Wright yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com wrote: it is the case that is causing the problem. The case was on my 3gs *** character is found in how you treat people who can't do anything for you. web page http://www.wrighthere.net - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 2:22 AM Subject: RE: voiceover during a call Hi Robert, I just send a reply to Apple Accessibility about Voiceover volume during a call. I reported this to them and they replied with some suggestions, but they only consisted of the explanation about how to make sure speakerphone mode is properly activated which means they thought somehow the phone hadn't switched to speakerphone and this is why I couldn't hear Voiceover. I have no problem with my phone switching to speakerphone when I take it away from my ear. I am not sure if you have your phone in a case, but make sure you try it without case as sometimes a case can cover the proximity sensor and that is what causes your phone to switch to speakerphone. I usually do this: I dial the number I want to call and after I double tap on call I put my hand over the top part of the phone where the slot is in the glass for the earpiece. Once the phone on the other end starts ringing I remove my hand and now the proximity sensor should of course notice nothing is covering it and switch to speakerphone. However, I still have the volume issue. I have volume in my rotor settings and after a call connects I can turn up VO volume to 100% by turning the rotor to Volume and then flicking up until I get to 100%. Then I turn down the call volume to as low as it will go with the volume down button, but first of all the call volume does not seem to go lower than a certain level and Voiceover even at 100% can hardly be heard over the call volume. You can of course work around this by using a headset, but I definitely suggest you write to Apple Accessibility and report this because it seems to be one of those bugs which most iPhone 5 users and some iPhone 4S and 4 users also don't seem to have. I did a factory reset about 3 days after I updated to iOS 6 because of a few other issues and at first this seemed to be better, but after I tried to place calls where I had to enter numbers, listen to menus etc. a few times I find it really isn't much better if at all. As far as I am concerned this is one of the more inconvenient and serious bugs because one has to enter numbers or listen to menus so often and of course I also can't put the phone in speakerphone and look up other information during a call such as maybe a phone number, something in an email or another app. It would be interesting to know how many people experience this problem and while it adds to list traffic, the traffic is down significantly from what it was so maybe everybody who reads this could test this and post whether they can hear Voiceover comfortably during a call when the phone is on speakerphone or not. Before the iOS 6 update this was no problem for me on my 4S. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 1:01 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: voiceover during a call Often since I purchased my new 4s I can be in a call and I cannot hear voiceover at all if I need to tap another number in an automated system or end the call. then out of no where I'll get a call and voiceover won't shut up. Also, when in a call and I move the phone from my ear it is not automatically switching to speaker like it did on my 3gs. *** character is found in how you treat people who can't do anything for you. web page http://www.wrighthere.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group
Re: voiceover during a call
I have seen this issue in my iPhone 4, and it happen with the numbers, or just using the keyboard. Some times it doesn't say the letter or number, so I need to delete something, to make sure that I wrote, or if I need to retype a number or word. But the worse part is every time when I receive a called, voice over keep saying the duration of the called, and It doesn't allow me to talk, because I have voice over talking so loud and I can't understand what the person on the call is saying. Pablo - Original Message - From: Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:58 PM Subject: Re: voiceover during a call I am experiencing some strange volume issues on my iPhone 5 with VO as well. VO is loud enough, but not all numbers are spoken when I find them on the phone. Sometimes the numbers take a moment or two to be spoken by VO and other times they are spoken as soon as I touch them. I am also not hearing the touch tones when I press a number on the phone, after the call connects and goes through. I recall hearing the touch tones and the numbers being spoken all the time in iOS 5, but I've had trouble with this since I've been using the iPhone 5 with iOS 6. I've had the new phone for about 9 days and am still getting used to everything. I have used iOS 6 on an iPhone 4 and don't recall having these issues. The issues don't happen all the time, but they do happen often enough. Regards, Wayne On 10/13/12, Robert Doc Wright yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com wrote: it is the case that is causing the problem. The case was on my 3gs *** character is found in how you treat people who can't do anything for you. web page http://www.wrighthere.net - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 2:22 AM Subject: RE: voiceover during a call Hi Robert, I just send a reply to Apple Accessibility about Voiceover volume during a call. I reported this to them and they replied with some suggestions, but they only consisted of the explanation about how to make sure speakerphone mode is properly activated which means they thought somehow the phone hadn't switched to speakerphone and this is why I couldn't hear Voiceover. I have no problem with my phone switching to speakerphone when I take it away from my ear. I am not sure if you have your phone in a case, but make sure you try it without case as sometimes a case can cover the proximity sensor and that is what causes your phone to switch to speakerphone. I usually do this: I dial the number I want to call and after I double tap on call I put my hand over the top part of the phone where the slot is in the glass for the earpiece. Once the phone on the other end starts ringing I remove my hand and now the proximity sensor should of course notice nothing is covering it and switch to speakerphone. However, I still have the volume issue. I have volume in my rotor settings and after a call connects I can turn up VO volume to 100% by turning the rotor to Volume and then flicking up until I get to 100%. Then I turn down the call volume to as low as it will go with the volume down button, but first of all the call volume does not seem to go lower than a certain level and Voiceover even at 100% can hardly be heard over the call volume. You can of course work around this by using a headset, but I definitely suggest you write to Apple Accessibility and report this because it seems to be one of those bugs which most iPhone 5 users and some iPhone 4S and 4 users also don't seem to have. I did a factory reset about 3 days after I updated to iOS 6 because of a few other issues and at first this seemed to be better, but after I tried to place calls where I had to enter numbers, listen to menus etc. a few times I find it really isn't much better if at all. As far as I am concerned this is one of the more inconvenient and serious bugs because one has to enter numbers or listen to menus so often and of course I also can't put the phone in speakerphone and look up other information during a call such as maybe a phone number, something in an email or another app. It would be interesting to know how many people experience this problem and while it adds to list traffic, the traffic is down significantly from what it was so maybe everybody who reads this could test this and post whether they can hear Voiceover comfortably during a call when the phone is on speakerphone or not. Before the iOS 6 update this was no problem for me on my 4S. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 1:01 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: voiceover during a call Often since I purchased my new 4s I can be in a call and I cannot hear voiceover at all if I need to tap another number
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Yes I've come across this before too. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: 19 October 2012 21:25 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: voiceover during a call I have seen this issue in my iPhone 4, and it happen with the numbers, or just using the keyboard. Some times it doesn't say the letter or number, so I need to delete something, to make sure that I wrote, or if I need to retype a number or word. But the worse part is every time when I receive a called, voice over keep saying the duration of the called, and It doesn't allow me to talk, because I have voice over talking so loud and I can't understand what the person on the call is saying. Pablo - Original Message - From: Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:58 PM Subject: Re: voiceover during a call I am experiencing some strange volume issues on my iPhone 5 with VO as well. VO is loud enough, but not all numbers are spoken when I find them on the phone. Sometimes the numbers take a moment or two to be spoken by VO and other times they are spoken as soon as I touch them. I am also not hearing the touch tones when I press a number on the phone, after the call connects and goes through. I recall hearing the touch tones and the numbers being spoken all the time in iOS 5, but I've had trouble with this since I've been using the iPhone 5 with iOS 6. I've had the new phone for about 9 days and am still getting used to everything. I have used iOS 6 on an iPhone 4 and don't recall having these issues. The issues don't happen all the time, but they do happen often enough. Regards, Wayne On 10/13/12, Robert Doc Wright yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com wrote: it is the case that is causing the problem. The case was on my 3gs *** character is found in how you treat people who can't do anything for you. web page http://www.wrighthere.net - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 2:22 AM Subject: RE: voiceover during a call Hi Robert, I just send a reply to Apple Accessibility about Voiceover volume during a call. I reported this to them and they replied with some suggestions, but they only consisted of the explanation about how to make sure speakerphone mode is properly activated which means they thought somehow the phone hadn't switched to speakerphone and this is why I couldn't hear Voiceover. I have no problem with my phone switching to speakerphone when I take it away from my ear. I am not sure if you have your phone in a case, but make sure you try it without case as sometimes a case can cover the proximity sensor and that is what causes your phone to switch to speakerphone. I usually do this: I dial the number I want to call and after I double tap on call I put my hand over the top part of the phone where the slot is in the glass for the earpiece. Once the phone on the other end starts ringing I remove my hand and now the proximity sensor should of course notice nothing is covering it and switch to speakerphone. However, I still have the volume issue. I have volume in my rotor settings and after a call connects I can turn up VO volume to 100% by turning the rotor to Volume and then flicking up until I get to 100%. Then I turn down the call volume to as low as it will go with the volume down button, but first of all the call volume does not seem to go lower than a certain level and Voiceover even at 100% can hardly be heard over the call volume. You can of course work around this by using a headset, but I definitely suggest you write to Apple Accessibility and report this because it seems to be one of those bugs which most iPhone 5 users and some iPhone 4S and 4 users also don't seem to have. I did a factory reset about 3 days after I updated to iOS 6 because of a few other issues and at first this seemed to be better, but after I tried to place calls where I had to enter numbers, listen to menus etc. a few times I find it really isn't much better if at all. As far as I am concerned this is one of the more inconvenient and serious bugs because one has to enter numbers or listen to menus so often and of course I also can't put the phone in speakerphone and look up other information during a call such as maybe a phone number, something in an email or another app. It would be interesting to know how many people experience this problem and while it adds to list traffic, the traffic is down significantly from what it was so maybe everybody who reads this could test this and post whether they can hear Voiceover comfortably during a call when the phone is on speakerphone or not. Before the iOS 6 update this was no problem for me on my 4S. Regards, Sieghard
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If VO is speaking the duration of a call during the call, you need to touch something else on the screen so it is not focused on the duration field that keeps changing. This is likely your issue with it continuing to speak your call duration. Have you tried touching something else on the screen? On 10/19/12, Alex Stone alexstone...@btinternet.com wrote: Yes I've come across this before too. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: 19 October 2012 21:25 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: voiceover during a call I have seen this issue in my iPhone 4, and it happen with the numbers, or just using the keyboard. Some times it doesn't say the letter or number, so I need to delete something, to make sure that I wrote, or if I need to retype a number or word. But the worse part is every time when I receive a called, voice over keep saying the duration of the called, and It doesn't allow me to talk, because I have voice over talking so loud and I can't understand what the person on the call is saying. Pablo - Original Message - From: Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:58 PM Subject: Re: voiceover during a call I am experiencing some strange volume issues on my iPhone 5 with VO as well. VO is loud enough, but not all numbers are spoken when I find them on the phone. Sometimes the numbers take a moment or two to be spoken by VO and other times they are spoken as soon as I touch them. I am also not hearing the touch tones when I press a number on the phone, after the call connects and goes through. I recall hearing the touch tones and the numbers being spoken all the time in iOS 5, but I've had trouble with this since I've been using the iPhone 5 with iOS 6. I've had the new phone for about 9 days and am still getting used to everything. I have used iOS 6 on an iPhone 4 and don't recall having these issues. The issues don't happen all the time, but they do happen often enough. Regards, Wayne On 10/13/12, Robert Doc Wright yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com wrote: it is the case that is causing the problem. The case was on my 3gs *** character is found in how you treat people who can't do anything for you. web page http://www.wrighthere.net - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 2:22 AM Subject: RE: voiceover during a call Hi Robert, I just send a reply to Apple Accessibility about Voiceover volume during a call. I reported this to them and they replied with some suggestions, but they only consisted of the explanation about how to make sure speakerphone mode is properly activated which means they thought somehow the phone hadn't switched to speakerphone and this is why I couldn't hear Voiceover. I have no problem with my phone switching to speakerphone when I take it away from my ear. I am not sure if you have your phone in a case, but make sure you try it without case as sometimes a case can cover the proximity sensor and that is what causes your phone to switch to speakerphone. I usually do this: I dial the number I want to call and after I double tap on call I put my hand over the top part of the phone where the slot is in the glass for the earpiece. Once the phone on the other end starts ringing I remove my hand and now the proximity sensor should of course notice nothing is covering it and switch to speakerphone. However, I still have the volume issue. I have volume in my rotor settings and after a call connects I can turn up VO volume to 100% by turning the rotor to Volume and then flicking up until I get to 100%. Then I turn down the call volume to as low as it will go with the volume down button, but first of all the call volume does not seem to go lower than a certain level and Voiceover even at 100% can hardly be heard over the call volume. You can of course work around this by using a headset, but I definitely suggest you write to Apple Accessibility and report this because it seems to be one of those bugs which most iPhone 5 users and some iPhone 4S and 4 users also don't seem to have. I did a factory reset about 3 days after I updated to iOS 6 because of a few other issues and at first this seemed to be better, but after I tried to place calls where I had to enter numbers, listen to menus etc. a few times I find it really isn't much better if at all. As far as I am concerned this is one of the more inconvenient and serious bugs because one has to enter numbers or listen to menus so often and of course I also can't put the phone in speakerphone and look up other information during a call such as maybe a phone number, something in an email or another app. It would be interesting to know how many people
RE: voiceover during a call
Hi Robert, I just send a reply to Apple Accessibility about Voiceover volume during a call. I reported this to them and they replied with some suggestions, but they only consisted of the explanation about how to make sure speakerphone mode is properly activated which means they thought somehow the phone hadn't switched to speakerphone and this is why I couldn't hear Voiceover. I have no problem with my phone switching to speakerphone when I take it away from my ear. I am not sure if you have your phone in a case, but make sure you try it without case as sometimes a case can cover the proximity sensor and that is what causes your phone to switch to speakerphone. I usually do this: I dial the number I want to call and after I double tap on call I put my hand over the top part of the phone where the slot is in the glass for the earpiece. Once the phone on the other end starts ringing I remove my hand and now the proximity sensor should of course notice nothing is covering it and switch to speakerphone. However, I still have the volume issue. I have volume in my rotor settings and after a call connects I can turn up VO volume to 100% by turning the rotor to Volume and then flicking up until I get to 100%. Then I turn down the call volume to as low as it will go with the volume down button, but first of all the call volume does not seem to go lower than a certain level and Voiceover even at 100% can hardly be heard over the call volume. You can of course work around this by using a headset, but I definitely suggest you write to Apple Accessibility and report this because it seems to be one of those bugs which most iPhone 5 users and some iPhone 4S and 4 users also don't seem to have. I did a factory reset about 3 days after I updated to iOS 6 because of a few other issues and at first this seemed to be better, but after I tried to place calls where I had to enter numbers, listen to menus etc. a few times I find it really isn't much better if at all. As far as I am concerned this is one of the more inconvenient and serious bugs because one has to enter numbers or listen to menus so often and of course I also can't put the phone in speakerphone and look up other information during a call such as maybe a phone number, something in an email or another app. It would be interesting to know how many people experience this problem and while it adds to list traffic, the traffic is down significantly from what it was so maybe everybody who reads this could test this and post whether they can hear Voiceover comfortably during a call when the phone is on speakerphone or not. Before the iOS 6 update this was no problem for me on my 4S. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 1:01 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: voiceover during a call Often since I purchased my new 4s I can be in a call and I cannot hear voiceover at all if I need to tap another number in an automated system or end the call. then out of no where I'll get a call and voiceover won't shut up. Also, when in a call and I move the phone from my ear it is not automatically switching to speaker like it did on my 3gs. *** character is found in how you treat people who can't do anything for you. web page http://www.wrighthere.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: voiceover during a call
I experience this as well, but what is interesting is the level of the volume seems to raise and lower erratically. I am not sure how I can really test this, but sometimes it seems as though perhaps VO is coming out from the speaker on the bottom of the phone (when it sounds louder) and then suddenly switches to the speaker in the earpiece. I have no idea if this is really happening, but it just seems that way. I plan to write Apple about this as well, but I wanted to try and determine if there is anything I am doing while touching the screen etc. or if there is anything I can provide that may help determine the issue first. On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:22 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Robert, I just send a reply to Apple Accessibility about Voiceover volume during a call. I reported this to them and they replied with some suggestions, but they only consisted of the explanation about how to make sure speakerphone mode is properly activated which means they thought somehow the phone hadn’t switched to speakerphone and this is why I couldn’t hear Voiceover. I have no problem with my phone switching to speakerphone when I take it away from my ear. I am not sure if you have your phone in a case, but make sure you try it without case as sometimes a case can cover the proximity sensor and that is what causes your phone to switch to speakerphone. I usually do this: I dial the number I want to call and after I double tap on call I put my hand over the top part of the phone where the slot is in the glass for the earpiece. Once the phone on the other end starts ringing I remove my hand and now the proximity sensor should of course notice nothing is covering it and switch to speakerphone. However, I still have the volume issue. I have volume in my rotor settings and after a call connects I can turn up VO volume to 100% by turning the rotor to Volume and then flicking up until I get to 100%. Then I turn down the call volume to as low as it will go with the volume down button, but first of all the call volume does not seem to go lower than a certain level and Voiceover even at 100% can hardly be heard over the call volume. You can of course work around this by using a headset, but I definitely suggest you write to Apple Accessibility and report this because it seems to be one of those bugs which most iPhone 5 users and some iPhone 4S and 4 users also don’t seem to have. I did a factory reset about 3 days after I updated to iOS 6 because of a few other issues and at first this seemed to be better, but after I tried to place calls where I had to enter numbers, listen to menus etc. a few times I find it really isn’t much better if at all. As far as I am concerned this is one of the more inconvenient and serious bugs because one has to enter numbers or listen to menus so often and of course I also can’t put the phone in speakerphone and look up other information during a call such as maybe a phone number, something in an email or another app. It would be interesting to know how many people experience this problem and while it adds to list traffic, the traffic is down significantly from what it was so maybe everybody who reads this could test this and post whether they can hear Voiceover comfortably during a call when the phone is on speakerphone or not. Before the iOS 6 update this was no problem for me on my 4S. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 1:01 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: voiceover during a call Often since I purchased my new 4s I can be in a call and I cannot hear voiceover at all if I need to tap another number in an automated system or end the call. then out of no where I'll get a call and voiceover won't shut up. Also, when in a call and I move the phone from my ear it is not automatically switching to speaker like it did on my 3gs. *** character is found in how you treat people who can't do anything for you. web page http://www.wrighthere.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this
Re: voiceover during a call
HI i'm also having the bug since i updated to Ios 6. I can bearly hear voice over during a call. I too use a head set but it would be nice if we could turn the volume of the call down and voice over up. getting kind of good at guessing where the numbers are when i have to enter them lol Blessings! Maria Joe and loving guide Karly. Email/ I Message: fb bubbygirl1...@gmail.com twitter: bubbygirl skype: bubbygirl1972 bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 13/10/2012, at 7:22 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Robert, I just send a reply to Apple Accessibility about Voiceover volume during a call. I reported this to them and they replied with some suggestions, but they only consisted of the explanation about how to make sure speakerphone mode is properly activated which means they thought somehow the phone hadn’t switched to speakerphone and this is why I couldn’t hear Voiceover. I have no problem with my phone switching to speakerphone when I take it away from my ear. I am not sure if you have your phone in a case, but make sure you try it without case as sometimes a case can cover the proximity sensor and that is what causes your phone to switch to speakerphone. I usually do this: I dial the number I want to call and after I double tap on call I put my hand over the top part of the phone where the slot is in the glass for the earpiece. Once the phone on the other end starts ringing I remove my hand and now the proximity sensor should of course notice nothing is covering it and switch to speakerphone. However, I still have the volume issue. I have volume in my rotor settings and after a call connects I can turn up VO volume to 100% by turning the rotor to Volume and then flicking up until I get to 100%. Then I turn down the call volume to as low as it will go with the volume down button, but first of all the call volume does not seem to go lower than a certain level and Voiceover even at 100% can hardly be heard over the call volume. You can of course work around this by using a headset, but I definitely suggest you write to Apple Accessibility and report this because it seems to be one of those bugs which most iPhone 5 users and some iPhone 4S and 4 users also don’t seem to have. I did a factory reset about 3 days after I updated to iOS 6 because of a few other issues and at first this seemed to be better, but after I tried to place calls where I had to enter numbers, listen to menus etc. a few times I find it really isn’t much better if at all. As far as I am concerned this is one of the more inconvenient and serious bugs because one has to enter numbers or listen to menus so often and of course I also can’t put the phone in speakerphone and look up other information during a call such as maybe a phone number, something in an email or another app. It would be interesting to know how many people experience this problem and while it adds to list traffic, the traffic is down significantly from what it was so maybe everybody who reads this could test this and post whether they can hear Voiceover comfortably during a call when the phone is on speakerphone or not. Before the iOS 6 update this was no problem for me on my 4S. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 1:01 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: voiceover during a call Often since I purchased my new 4s I can be in a call and I cannot hear voiceover at all if I need to tap another number in an automated system or end the call. then out of no where I'll get a call and voiceover won't shut up. Also, when in a call and I move the phone from my ear it is not automatically switching to speaker like it did on my 3gs. *** character is found in how you treat people who can't do anything for you. web page http://www.wrighthere.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public
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I experience this on my 4S as well running iOS 6. It's definitely a bug since restoring to factory defaults does not make any difference. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: 13. oktober 2012 11:56 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: voiceover during a call I experience this as well, but what is interesting is the level of the volume seems to raise and lower erratically. I am not sure how I can really test this, but sometimes it seems as though perhaps VO is coming out from the speaker on the bottom of the phone (when it sounds louder) and then suddenly switches to the speaker in the earpiece. I have no idea if this is really happening, but it just seems that way. I plan to write Apple about this as well, but I wanted to try and determine if there is anything I am doing while touching the screen etc. or if there is anything I can provide that may help determine the issue first. On Oct 13, 2012, at 4:22 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Robert, I just send a reply to Apple Accessibility about Voiceover volume during a call. I reported this to them and they replied with some suggestions, but they only consisted of the explanation about how to make sure speakerphone mode is properly activated which means they thought somehow the phone hadn't switched to speakerphone and this is why I couldn't hear Voiceover. I have no problem with my phone switching to speakerphone when I take it away from my ear. I am not sure if you have your phone in a case, but make sure you try it without case as sometimes a case can cover the proximity sensor and that is what causes your phone to switch to speakerphone. I usually do this: I dial the number I want to call and after I double tap on call I put my hand over the top part of the phone where the slot is in the glass for the earpiece. Once the phone on the other end starts ringing I remove my hand and now the proximity sensor should of course notice nothing is covering it and switch to speakerphone. However, I still have the volume issue. I have volume in my rotor settings and after a call connects I can turn up VO volume to 100% by turning the rotor to Volume and then flicking up until I get to 100%. Then I turn down the call volume to as low as it will go with the volume down button, but first of all the call volume does not seem to go lower than a certain level and Voiceover even at 100% can hardly be heard over the call volume. You can of course work around this by using a headset, but I definitely suggest you write to Apple Accessibility and report this because it seems to be one of those bugs which most iPhone 5 users and some iPhone 4S and 4 users also don't seem to have. I did a factory reset about 3 days after I updated to iOS 6 because of a few other issues and at first this seemed to be better, but after I tried to place calls where I had to enter numbers, listen to menus etc. a few times I find it really isn't much better if at all. As far as I am concerned this is one of the more inconvenient and serious bugs because one has to enter numbers or listen to menus so often and of course I also can't put the phone in speakerphone and look up other information during a call such as maybe a phone number, something in an email or another app. It would be interesting to know how many people experience this problem and while it adds to list traffic, the traffic is down significantly from what it was so maybe everybody who reads this could test this and post whether they can hear Voiceover comfortably during a call when the phone is on speakerphone or not. Before the iOS 6 update this was no problem for me on my 4S. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 1:01 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: voiceover during a call Often since I purchased my new 4s I can be in a call and I cannot hear voiceover at all if I need to tap another number in an automated system or end the call. then out of no where I'll get a call and voiceover won't shut up. Also, when in a call and I move the phone from my ear it is not automatically switching to speaker like it did on my 3gs. *** character is found in how you treat people who can't do anything for you. web page http://www.wrighthere.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone
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it is the case that is causing the problem. The case was on my 3gs *** character is found in how you treat people who can't do anything for you. web page http://www.wrighthere.net - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 2:22 AM Subject: RE: voiceover during a call Hi Robert, I just send a reply to Apple Accessibility about Voiceover volume during a call. I reported this to them and they replied with some suggestions, but they only consisted of the explanation about how to make sure speakerphone mode is properly activated which means they thought somehow the phone hadn't switched to speakerphone and this is why I couldn't hear Voiceover. I have no problem with my phone switching to speakerphone when I take it away from my ear. I am not sure if you have your phone in a case, but make sure you try it without case as sometimes a case can cover the proximity sensor and that is what causes your phone to switch to speakerphone. I usually do this: I dial the number I want to call and after I double tap on call I put my hand over the top part of the phone where the slot is in the glass for the earpiece. Once the phone on the other end starts ringing I remove my hand and now the proximity sensor should of course notice nothing is covering it and switch to speakerphone. However, I still have the volume issue. I have volume in my rotor settings and after a call connects I can turn up VO volume to 100% by turning the rotor to Volume and then flicking up until I get to 100%. Then I turn down the call volume to as low as it will go with the volume down button, but first of all the call volume does not seem to go lower than a certain level and Voiceover even at 100% can hardly be heard over the call volume. You can of course work around this by using a headset, but I definitely suggest you write to Apple Accessibility and report this because it seems to be one of those bugs which most iPhone 5 users and some iPhone 4S and 4 users also don't seem to have. I did a factory reset about 3 days after I updated to iOS 6 because of a few other issues and at first this seemed to be better, but after I tried to place calls where I had to enter numbers, listen to menus etc. a few times I find it really isn't much better if at all. As far as I am concerned this is one of the more inconvenient and serious bugs because one has to enter numbers or listen to menus so often and of course I also can't put the phone in speakerphone and look up other information during a call such as maybe a phone number, something in an email or another app. It would be interesting to know how many people experience this problem and while it adds to list traffic, the traffic is down significantly from what it was so maybe everybody who reads this could test this and post whether they can hear Voiceover comfortably during a call when the phone is on speakerphone or not. Before the iOS 6 update this was no problem for me on my 4S. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 1:01 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: voiceover during a call Often since I purchased my new 4s I can be in a call and I cannot hear voiceover at all if I need to tap another number in an automated system or end the call. then out of no where I'll get a call and voiceover won't shut up. Also, when in a call and I move the phone from my ear it is not automatically switching to speaker like it did on my 3gs. *** character is found in how you treat people who can't do anything for you. web page http://www.wrighthere.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe
