Hello All, Testing the List, Please ignore

[M. Taylor]

As the subject states, just checking the list settings.

Mark


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Re: Just Testing.

[Lyne]

Yes Janet!

Lyne

> Le 28 déc. 2023 à 23:51, janet gross  a écrit :
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> Please if someone would let me know if this message makes it to the list.
> I’ve sent messages here, but I’m not seeing them coming  through.
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Re: Just Testing.

[Robert Doc Wright]

Yes it did
  - Original Message - 
  From: janet gross
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Monday, December 25, 2023 6:31 PM
  Subject: Just Testing.


  Please if someone would let me know if this message makes it to the list.

  I’ve sent messages here, but I’m not seeing them coming  through.



  Thank you all for your understanding.



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Testing.

[janet gross]

I've been trying to send a message to this list, but for some strange reason, I 
don't see any of my messages like I use to.


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Just Testing.

[janet gross]

Please if someone would let me know if this message makes it to the list.
I've sent messages here, but I'm not seeing them coming  through.

Thank you all for your understanding.

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Testing

[Terje Strømberg]

Testing

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Re: Just Testing.

[Robert Doc Wright]

this made it.
  - Original Message - 
  From: janet gross
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2023 4:06 PM
  Subject: Just Testing.


  I’m sorry, but I’ve been trying to reply to some emails, and I’m not 
seeing my emails coming through.



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Re: Just Testing.

[Richard Turner]

They are coming through fineRichard, USA ——"While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John Wesley(Sent from my iPhone)On Oct 4, 2023, at 3:07 PM, janet gross  wrote:







I’m sorry, but I’ve been trying to reply to some emails, and I’m not seeing my emails coming through. 

 
Janet 
 






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Just Testing.

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I'm sorry, but I've been trying to reply to some emails, and I'm not seeing my 
emails coming through.

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RE: testing.

[janet gross]

Please now ignore this particular test message, as I now can send a message.

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2023 6:00 PM
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Subject: testing.

Can someone please let me know if this message makes it to the list? I am 
getting undeliverable messages from Gmail.

Janet

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testing.

[janet gross]

Can someone please let me know if this message makes it to the list? I am 
getting undeliverable messages from Gmail.

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Just Testing the List, Please Ignore

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Please ignore this message.

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RE: Instructions for testing IPhone battery health

[Carolyn]

I am sorry, you do not have to go to General; Battery is in Settings on its 
own. 

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Hi Nancy. What you need to do you need to go into settings keep scrolling down 
until you get to battery. Double tap and a battery. Keep scrolling until you 
get to battery health. Double tap on that. T Then scroll down a couple times 
until you get to battery health and charging. Double tap into that. Then scroll 
to get to maximum battery and it will tell you you don’t have to go into that 
you just listen. It’ll tell you how much your battery is at the maximum 
capacity. 

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

> On Dec 16, 2022, at 10:46 PM, Nancy Hill  wrote:
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> 
> Everyone,
> 
> 
> I have an SE 2022.
> 
> 
> How can I check the battery health of my phone?
> 
> 
> For some reason my SE does not seem to hold a charge as long as my original 
> SE.
> 
> 
> Many Thanks in advance for your help and instructions!
> 
> nancy
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RE: Instructions for testing IPhone battery health

[Carolyn]

Go to Settings, General, and Battery. 

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Nancy Hill
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2022 10:46 PM
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Subject: Instructions for testing IPhone battery health


Everyone,


I have an SE 2022.


How can I check the battery health of my phone?


For some reason my SE does not seem to hold a charge as long as my original SE.


Many Thanks in advance for your help and instructions!

nancy



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Re: Instructions for testing IPhone battery health

[Gordon]

While you're in the battery section, take a look around and you'll find 
information about what apps have been using battery and how much. This 
is good to learn if there are any apps using an unusual amount of 
battery. One reason your new SE could be using more battery is if you're 
using 5G. If you have spotty 5G coverage in your area the phone will 
have to work harder to pull in that signal. If that's the case you could 
always switch it to LTE.


On 12/16/2022 10:12 PM, Diane Giannetti wrote:

Hi Nancy. What you need to do you need to go into settings keep scrolling down 
until you get to battery. Double tap and a battery. Keep scrolling until you 
get to battery health. Double tap on that. T Then scroll down a couple times 
until you get to battery health and charging. Double tap into that. Then scroll 
to get to maximum battery and it will tell you you don’t have to go into that 
you just listen. It’ll tell you how much your battery is at the maximum 
capacity.

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!


On Dec 16, 2022, at 10:46 PM, Nancy Hill  wrote:


Everyone,


I have an SE 2022.


How can I check the battery health of my phone?


For some reason my SE does not seem to hold a charge as long as my original SE.


Many Thanks in advance for your help and instructions!

nancy



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Re: Instructions for testing IPhone battery health

[Diane Giannetti]

Hi Nancy. What you need to do you need to go into settings keep scrolling down 
until you get to battery. Double tap and a battery. Keep scrolling until you 
get to battery health. Double tap on that. T Then scroll down a couple times 
until you get to battery health and charging. Double tap into that. Then scroll 
to get to maximum battery and it will tell you you don’t have to go into that 
you just listen. It’ll tell you how much your battery is at the maximum 
capacity. 

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

> On Dec 16, 2022, at 10:46 PM, Nancy Hill  wrote:
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> Everyone,
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> I have an SE 2022.
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> 
> How can I check the battery health of my phone?
> 
> 
> For some reason my SE does not seem to hold a charge as long as my original 
> SE.
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> Many Thanks in advance for your help and instructions!
> 
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Instructions for testing IPhone battery health

[Nancy Hill]

Everyone,


I have an SE 2022.


How can I check the battery health of my phone?


For some reason my SE does not seem to hold a charge as long as my 
original SE.



Many Thanks in advance for your help and instructions!

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Re: testing

[Malcolm Parfitt]

Yes, no problem here in Wales.

Malcolm Parfitt

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testing

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Am I getting to the list?

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testing folders please ignore.

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Testing.

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testing

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This is just a test.

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RE: [External] Re: Testing old list address

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy 
Brandt
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 4:36 PM
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Subject: [External] Re: Testing old list address

I haven’t heard anything after weeks of when I sent subscription request to new 
list.




On Feb 21, 2022, at 4:20 PM, don.moore48 via VIPhone 
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Looks like it's back up?  I tried to sign up to the new list but after sending 
the replied list offer I saw nothing.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
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Subject: Testing old list address

Nothing to see here.  Which also happens to be the title of a great book!


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RE: Testing old list address

[Johna Gravitt]

I somehow never saw the new group email list to subscribe to, could someone 
please resend? Thanks


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
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Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 6:04 PM
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Subject: Re: Testing old list address

I started receiving messages from the old list today after several weeks of 
silence and no messages.

Wayne Merritt

On 2/21/22, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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>
> I’m not sure why this old version of the list has started back up
>
> But a few weeks back Mark and cara did go through trying to migrate 
> everyone from the old list to the new one,
>
> The old account was for some reason locked down,
>
> And at the time the best solution was the new list.
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of B. J.
> Maynard
> Sent: Tuesday, 22 February 2022 11:46 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Testing old list address
>
> hi,
>
> I do not remember seeing an announcement we were moving and the reason 
> for it.  I guess they migrated allthe old subscribers?  If not I will 
> subscribe tothe new list form the given subscribe info.
>
> Billy Maynard
> - Original Message -
> From: Richard Turner<mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 3:28 PM
> Subject: RE: Testing old list address
>
> Well, hopefully Mark or Cara will chime in about this turn of events.
>
> Did you use the
> vipone2+subscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:vipone2+subscribe@googlegrou
> vipone2+ps.com>
> to subscribe to the new list?
> Anyway, it would appear for the moment that either address will work…
>
>
> Richard
>
>
> My web site; https://www.turner42.com/
>
> From: don.moore48 via VIPhone
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 1:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: RE: Testing old list address
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> Looks like it's back up?  I tried to sign up to the new list but after 
> sending the replied list offer I saw nothing.
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 3:52 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Testing old list address
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> Nothing to see here.  Which also happens to be the title of a great book!
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> Richard
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Re: Testing old list address

[Flor Lynch]

Probably because Google has removed it from the sin bin, and restored it 
'to rights'. You were writing to it.



If y'all look at the message footer here, you'll get its subscription 
info, plus the archive address to look up old messages and threads.



On 21/02/2022 22:59, Simon A Fogarty wrote:


Hi

I’m not sure why this old version of the list has started back up

But a few weeks back Mark and cara did go through trying to migrate 
everyone from the old list to the new one,


The old account was for some reason locked down,

And at the time the best solution was the new list.

So if you have questions,

Take the time to unsubscribe yourselves from the old,

And subscribe to the new.

Then life will go on as you need it.

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf 
Of *B. J. Maynard

*Sent:* Tuesday, 22 February 2022 11:46 am
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Testing old list address

hi,

I do not remember seeing an announcement we were moving and the reason 
for it.  I guess they migrated allthe old subscribers?  If not I will 
subscribe tothe new list form the given subscribe info.


Billy Maynard

- Original Message -

*From:*Richard Turner <mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>

*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com

*Sent:*Monday, February 21, 2022 3:28 PM

*Subject:*RE: Testing old list address

Well, hopefully Mark or Cara will chime in about this turn of events.

Did you use the vipone2+subscr...@googlegroups.com to subscribe to
the new list?

Anyway, it would appear for the moment that either address will work…

Richard

My web site; https://www.turner42.com/

*From:*don.moore48 via VIPhone 
*Sent:* Monday, February 21, 2022 1:21 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: Testing old list address

Looks like it's back up?  I tried to sign up to the new list but
after sending the replied list offer I saw nothing.

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  *On
Behalf Of *Richard Turner
*Sent:* Monday, February 21, 2022 3:52 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Testing old list address

Nothing to see here. Which also happens to be the title of a great
book!

Richard

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Re: Testing old list address

[Richard Turner]

There was no announcement on this list because GoogleGroups banned the list 
without notice, so on about January 20th, messages to the list bounced back as 
undeliverable.
Only by writing Cara Quinn, the list owner, or Mark Taylor, the moderator, did 
some of us find out what was going on. 
After Cara tried to get the list unbanned, did she end up creating the new list.
We need to wait and hear from the list owner or moderator about what the heck 
is going on.



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> On Feb 21, 2022, at 2:46 PM, B. J. Maynard  wrote:
> 
> 
> hi,
>  
> I do not remember seeing an announcement we were moving and the reason for 
> it.  I guess they migrated allthe old subscribers?  If not I will subscribe 
> tothe new list form the given subscribe info.
>  
> Billy Maynard
> - Original Message -
> From: Richard Turner
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 3:28 PM
> Subject: RE: Testing old list address
> 
> Well, hopefully Mark or Cara will chime in about this turn of events.
>  
> Did you use the vipone2+subscr...@googlegroups.com to subscribe to the new 
> list?
> Anyway, it would appear for the moment that either address will work…
>  
>  
> Richard
>  
>  
> My web site; https://www.turner42.com/
>  
> From: don.moore48 via VIPhone  
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 1:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Testing old list address
>  
> Looks like it's back up?  I tried to sign up to the new list but after 
> sending the replied list offer I saw nothing.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 3:52 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Testing old list address
>  
> Nothing to see here.  Which also happens to be the title of a great book!
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Re: Testing old list address

[Wayne Merritt]

I started receiving messages from the old list today after several
weeks of silence and no messages.

Wayne Merritt

On 2/21/22, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> Hi
>
> I’m not sure why this old version of the list has started back up
>
> But a few weeks back Mark and cara did go through trying to migrate everyone
> from the old list to the new one,
>
> The old account was for some reason locked down,
>
> And at the time the best solution was the new list.
>
> So if you have questions,
>
> Take the time to unsubscribe yourselves from the old,
> And subscribe to the new.
>
> Then life will go on as you need it.
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of B. J.
> Maynard
> Sent: Tuesday, 22 February 2022 11:46 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Testing old list address
>
> hi,
>
> I do not remember seeing an announcement we were moving and the reason for
> it.  I guess they migrated allthe old subscribers?  If not I will subscribe
> tothe new list form the given subscribe info.
>
> Billy Maynard
> - Original Message -
> From: Richard Turner<mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 3:28 PM
> Subject: RE: Testing old list address
>
> Well, hopefully Mark or Cara will chime in about this turn of events.
>
> Did you use the
> vipone2+subscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:vipone2+subscr...@googlegroups.com>
> to subscribe to the new list?
> Anyway, it would appear for the moment that either address will work…
>
>
> Richard
>
>
> My web site; https://www.turner42.com/
>
> From: don.moore48 via VIPhone
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 1:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: RE: Testing old list address
>
> Looks like it's back up?  I tried to sign up to the new list but after
> sending the replied list offer I saw nothing.
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 3:52 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Testing old list address
>
> Nothing to see here.  Which also happens to be the title of a great book!
>
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RE: Testing old list address

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi

I’m not sure why this old version of the list has started back up

But a few weeks back Mark and cara did go through trying to migrate everyone 
from the old list to the new one,

The old account was for some reason locked down,

And at the time the best solution was the new list.

So if you have questions,

Take the time to unsubscribe yourselves from the old,
And subscribe to the new.

Then life will go on as you need it.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of B. J. 
Maynard
Sent: Tuesday, 22 February 2022 11:46 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Testing old list address

hi,

I do not remember seeing an announcement we were moving and the reason for it.  
I guess they migrated allthe old subscribers?  If not I will subscribe tothe 
new list form the given subscribe info.

Billy Maynard
- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner<mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 3:28 PM
Subject: RE: Testing old list address

Well, hopefully Mark or Cara will chime in about this turn of events.

Did you use the 
vipone2+subscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:vipone2+subscr...@googlegroups.com> 
to subscribe to the new list?
Anyway, it would appear for the moment that either address will work…


Richard


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From: don.moore48 via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 1:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Testing old list address

Looks like it's back up?  I tried to sign up to the new list but after sending 
the replied list offer I saw nothing.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 3:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Testing old list address

Nothing to see here.  Which also happens to be the title of a great book!


Richard


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Re: Testing old list address

[B. J. Maynard]

hi, 

I do not remember seeing an announcement we were moving and the reason for it.  
I guess they migrated allthe old subscribers?  If not I will subscribe tothe 
new list form the given subscribe info.

Billy Maynard
  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Turner 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 3:28 PM
  Subject: RE: Testing old list address


  Well, hopefully Mark or Cara will chime in about this turn of events.

   

  Did you use the vipone2+subscr...@googlegroups.com to subscribe to the new 
list?

  Anyway, it would appear for the moment that either address will work…

   

   

  Richard

   

   

  My web site; https://www.turner42.com/

   

  From: don.moore48 via VIPhone  
  Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 1:21 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Testing old list address

   

  Looks like it's back up?  I tried to sign up to the new list but after 
sending the replied list offer I saw nothing.

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
  Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 3:52 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Testing old list address

   

  Nothing to see here.  Which also happens to be the title of a great book!

   

   

  Richard

   

   

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RE: Testing old list address

[Richard Turner]

It was.

 

Apparently it is resurrected.  

You are writing on it now.

 

 

 

Richard

 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
llump...@austin.rr.com
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 2:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Testing old list address

 

I thought the old list was gone.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Michael Irons
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 3:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Testing old list address

 

If you have a Gmail address you may want to check your junk folder and her mail 
on your phone. I tried to subscribe to the new group and all of the emails went 
to my junk mail folder.

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 21, 2022, at 3:42 PM, Flor Lynch mailto:florl...@iol.ie> > wrote:

If you look at the footers of this thread, you will see that we ARE ALREADY 
WRITING on 'the old ViPhone list'. 

On 21/02/2022 21:20, don.moore48 via VIPhone wrote:

Looks like it's back up?  I tried to sign up to the new list but after sending 
the replied list offer I saw nothing.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>   
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 3:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Testing old list address

 

Nothing to see here.  Which also happens to be the title of a great book!

 

 

Richard

 

 

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RE: Testing old list address

[llumpkin]

I thought the old list was gone.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Irons
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 3:44 PM
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If you have a Gmail address you may want to check your junk folder and her mail 
on your phone. I tried to subscribe to the new group and all of the emails went 
to my junk mail folder.

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 21, 2022, at 3:42 PM, Flor Lynch mailto:florl...@iol.ie> > wrote:

If you look at the footers of this thread, you will see that we ARE ALREADY 
WRITING on 'the old ViPhone list'. 

On 21/02/2022 21:20, don.moore48 via VIPhone wrote:

Looks like it's back up?  I tried to sign up to the new list but after sending 
the replied list offer I saw nothing.

 

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<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 3:52 PM
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Subject: Testing old list address

 

Nothing to see here.  Which also happens to be the title of a great book!

 

 

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Re: Testing old list address

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If you have a Gmail address you may want to check your junk folder and her mail 
on your phone. I tried to subscribe to the new group and all of the emails went 
to my junk mail folder.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 21, 2022, at 3:42 PM, Flor Lynch  wrote:
> 
> If you look at the footers of this thread, you will see that we ARE ALREADY 
> WRITING on 'the old ViPhone list'. 
> 
>> On 21/02/2022 21:20, don.moore48 via VIPhone wrote:
>> Looks like it's back up?  I tried to sign up to the new list but after 
>> sending the replied list offer I saw nothing.
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 3:52 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Testing old list address
>>  
>> Nothing to see here.  Which also happens to be the title of a great book!
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Re: Testing old list address

[Flor Lynch]

If you look at the footers of this thread, you will see that we ARE 
ALREADY WRITING on 'the old ViPhone list'.


On 21/02/2022 21:20, don.moore48 via VIPhone wrote:


Looks like it's back up?I tried to sign up to the new list but after 
sending the replied list offer I saw nothing.


*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf 
Of *Richard Turner

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Nothing to see here.  Which also happens to be the title of a great book!

Richard

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Re: Testing old list address

[Kathy Brandt]

I haven’t heard anything after weeks of when I sent subscription request to new 
list.



> On Feb 21, 2022, at 4:20 PM, don.moore48 via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
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> Looks like it's back up?  I tried to sign up to the new list but after 
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>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 3:52 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Testing old list address
>  
> Nothing to see here.  Which also happens to be the title of a great book!
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RE: Testing old list address

[Richard Turner]

Well, hopefully Mark or Cara will chime in about this turn of events.

 

Did you use the vipone2+subscr...@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:vipone2+subscr...@googlegroups.com>  to subscribe to the new list?

Anyway, it would appear for the moment that either address will work…

 

 

Richard

 

 

My web site; https://www.turner42.com/

 

From: don.moore48 via VIPhone  
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 1:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Testing old list address

 

Looks like it's back up?  I tried to sign up to the new list but after sending 
the replied list offer I saw nothing.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 3:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Testing old list address

 

Nothing to see here.  Which also happens to be the title of a great book!

 

 

Richard

 

 

My web site; https://www.turner42.com/

 

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RE: Testing old list address

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Looks like it's back up?  I tried to sign up to the new list but after sending 
the replied list offer I saw nothing.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 3:52 PM
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Nothing to see here.  Which also happens to be the title of a great book!
 
 
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Testing old list address

[Richard Turner]

Nothing to see here.  Which also happens to be the title of a great book!

 

 

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RE: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The Qardio is for the upper arm not the lower arm.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lisa P. 
Geibel
Sent: November 9, 2021 4:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Janet Bell 
Subject: Re: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions


Hello,

I'm following this thread and have been as my husband and I are both totally 
blind and need to get an accessible machine for us around here or more him 
right now. I like what I've read about the Cardio one, but he wants one that 
fits the upper arm. Is there a good one for that area or are they all for the 
lower arm? Thanks.
On 11/9/2021 1:25 AM, Janet Bell wrote:

thanks very much Simon glad you finally got it.  Janet
On 08/11/2021 22:30, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
Hi Janet,

Yes I finally got it 10 days ago,

The app is fantastically accessible,
The actual device is very easy to use pretty much all the time,
Although if you move it stops measuring, or switchs off,

It’s probably 5 inchs in length and may be 2 inchs square at the end,

One end opens to have the triple a batteries in it,
Which there is a little bit of paper to stop the power connection when it’s new,

To turn it on, you unroll it and put it on your arm,
Then  once the cuff is farsened closed it gives you a measure button in the app 
which then starts the measuring of the blood pressure,

So the motor and sensors are in the  little box and it takes a matter of a 
minute if that to do the measurement

And then the app displays the measurement which I have to flick to find.

Really really easy and I believe well worth the $250 nz dollars I paid for it.

Only issue I had was the shipping time,

Seemingly shipping to Australia and NZ is having delays due to the virus

Hope that helps.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Janet 
Bell
Sent: Tuesday, 9 November 2021 6:08 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions


HI Simon, have you got the blood pressure device yet?  Janet
On 10/10/2021 23:35, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
Hi Janet,

To my knowledge
You can use it in any country,
I’m in New Zealand so well on the underside of the globe,

This device was suggested by a lot of folks in the USA
And the app to use is called
:Qardio”
But yeah once it arrives I can give a bit of a run down on it for you.
I believe it speaks the test results to you when you take the test.

And the app I believe lets you share the results with your doctor via the net 
and or from the app.

But hey I’ll let you know.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Janet 
Bell
Sent: Sunday, 10 October 2021 8:01 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions


Hi Simon when it arrives will you let me know what it is like and if it is easy 
to set up.  Janet ps and also what app you need to use it.  and one final thing 
can you use it in any country?  Janet
On 10/10/2021 07:05, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
Hi Mike,

I’d love to tell you abou the qardio arm blood pressure monitor I have,

But although I’ve ordered and paid for it,

It hasn’t’ yet arrived at my door,

Some globle issue with shipping thingns

But it’s the one that was recommended by many  blind / visually impaired folks.

So I only hope it’s worth the wait.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, 10 October 2021 5:58 pm
To: viPhone <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions

Hi All,

I'm in the market of replacing my current Reizen blood pressure testing 
machine, mainly because it's almost 20 years old and seems to be reporting 
irraticly.

The hose doesn't seem to have any cracks, and the hose seems to plug in an seal 
sufficiently

So, I'm looking for a replacement device and would like to get opinions of some 
good talking blood pressure testing machines from all you good folks.

All input is greatly appreciated and graciously accepted.  Thanks mooy moocho.


Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"

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RE: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions

[Simon A Fogarty]

Sorry,
That’s morning here in my world,

Yeah some medical training through physical education degree.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Janet 
Bell
Sent: Wednesday, 10 November 2021 9:16 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions


HI Simon that's a bit technical for this time of night.  ha ha Janet
On 09/11/2021 19:54, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
Hi,

The Qardio arm
Is for the upper arm,
It is about 5 inchs wide cuff  that fits around the base of your bicept towards 
the elbow,
This is where blood pressure monitors go when put on by doctors due to the 
artiry that runs down under the bicept being the one they listen to for the 
blocking and releasing of the blood.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Lisa 
P. Geibel
Sent: Wednesday, 10 November 2021 1:26 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>; Janet Bell 
<mailto:tagli...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions


Hello,

I'm following this thread and have been as my husband and I are both totally 
blind and need to get an accessible machine for us around here or more him 
right now. I like what I've read about the Cardio one, but he wants one that 
fits the upper arm. Is there a good one for that area or are they all for the 
lower arm? Thanks.
On 11/9/2021 1:25 AM, Janet Bell wrote:

thanks very much Simon glad you finally got it.  Janet
On 08/11/2021 22:30, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
Hi Janet,

Yes I finally got it 10 days ago,

The app is fantastically accessible,
The actual device is very easy to use pretty much all the time,
Although if you move it stops measuring, or switchs off,

It’s probably 5 inchs in length and may be 2 inchs square at the end,

One end opens to have the triple a batteries in it,
Which there is a little bit of paper to stop the power connection when it’s new,

To turn it on, you unroll it and put it on your arm,
Then  once the cuff is farsened closed it gives you a measure button in the app 
which then starts the measuring of the blood pressure,

So the motor and sensors are in the  little box and it takes a matter of a 
minute if that to do the measurement

And then the app displays the measurement which I have to flick to find.

Really really easy and I believe well worth the $250 nz dollars I paid for it.

Only issue I had was the shipping time,

Seemingly shipping to Australia and NZ is having delays due to the virus

Hope that helps.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Janet 
Bell
Sent: Tuesday, 9 November 2021 6:08 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions


HI Simon, have you got the blood pressure device yet?  Janet
On 10/10/2021 23:35, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
Hi Janet,

To my knowledge
You can use it in any country,
I’m in New Zealand so well on the underside of the globe,

This device was suggested by a lot of folks in the USA
And the app to use is called
:Qardio”
But yeah once it arrives I can give a bit of a run down on it for you.
I believe it speaks the test results to you when you take the test.

And the app I believe lets you share the results with your doctor via the net 
and or from the app.

But hey I’ll let you know.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Janet 
Bell
Sent: Sunday, 10 October 2021 8:01 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions


Hi Simon when it arrives will you let me know what it is like and if it is easy 
to set up.  Janet ps and also what app you need to use it.  and one final thing 
can you use it in any country?  Janet
On 10/10/2021 07:05, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
Hi Mike,

I’d love to tell you abou the qardio arm blood pressure monitor I have,

But although I’ve ordered and paid for it,

It hasn’t’ yet arrived at my door,

Some globle issue with shipping thingns

But it’s the one that was recommended by many  blind / visually impaired folks.

So I only hope it’s worth the wait.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, 10 October 2021 5:58 pm
To: viPhone <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions

Hi All,

I'm in the market of replacing my current Reizen blood pressure testing 
machine, mainly because it's almost 20 years old and seems to be reporting 
irraticly.

The hose doesn't seem to have any cracks, and the hose seems to plug in an seal 
sufficiently

So, I'm looking for a replacement device and would like to get opinions of some 
good talking blood pressure testing machines from all you good folks.

Re: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions

[Janet Bell]

HI Simon that's a bit technical for this time of night.  ha ha Janet

On 09/11/2021 19:54, Simon A Fogarty wrote:


Hi,

The Qardio arm

Is for the upper arm,

It is about 5 inchs wide cuff  that fits around the base of your 
bicept towards the elbow,


This is where blood pressure monitors go when put on by doctors due to 
the artiry that runs down under the bicept being the one they listen 
to for the blocking and releasing of the blood.


*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf 
Of *Lisa P. Geibel

*Sent:* Wednesday, 10 November 2021 1:26 am
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com; Janet Bell 
*Subject:* Re: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions

        Hello,

I'm following this thread and have been as my husband and I are both 
totally blind and need to get an accessible machine for us around here 
or more him right now. I like what I've read about the Cardio one, but 
he wants one that fits the upper arm. Is there a good one for that 
area or are they all for the lower arm? Thanks.


On 11/9/2021 1:25 AM, Janet Bell wrote:

thanks very much Simon glad you finally got it.  Janet

On 08/11/2021 22:30, Simon A Fogarty wrote:

Hi Janet,

Yes I finally got it 10 days ago,

The app is fantastically accessible,

The actual device is very easy to use pretty much all the time,

Although if you move it stops measuring, or switchs off,

It’s probably 5 inchs in length and may be 2 inchs square at
the end,

One end opens to have the triple a batteries in it,

Which there is a little bit of paper to stop the power
connection when it’s new,

To turn it on, you unroll it and put it on your arm,

Then  once the cuff is farsened closed it gives you a measure
button in the app which then starts the measuring of the blood
pressure,

So the motor and sensors are in the  little box and it takes a
matter of a minute if that to do the measurement

And then the app displays the measurement which I have to
flick to find.

Really really easy and I believe well worth the $250 nz
dollars I paid for it.

Only issue I had was the shipping time,

Seemingly shipping to Australia and NZ is having delays due to
the virus

Hope that helps.

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Janet Bell
*Sent:* Tuesday, 9 November 2021 6:08 am
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions

HI Simon, have you got the blood pressure device yet? Janet

On 10/10/2021 23:35, Simon A Fogarty wrote:

Hi Janet,

To my knowledge

You can use it in any country,

I’m in New Zealand so well on the underside of the globe,

This device was suggested by a lot of folks in the USA

And the app to use is called

:Qardio”

But yeah once it arrives I can give a bit of a run down on
it for you.

I believe it speaks the test results to you when you take
the test.

And the app I believe lets you share the results with your
doctor via the net and or from the app.

But hey I’ll let you know.

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Janet Bell
*Sent:* Sunday, 10 October 2021 8:01 pm
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
    *Subject:* Re: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions

Hi Simon when it arrives will you let me know what it is
like and if it is easy to set up.  Janet ps and also what
app you need to use it.  and one final thing can you use
it in any country?  Janet

On 10/10/2021 07:05, Simon A Fogarty wrote:

Hi Mike,

I’d love to tell you abou the qardio arm blood
pressure monitor I have,

But although I’ve ordered and paid for it,

It hasn’t’ yet arrived at my door,

Some globle issue with shipping thingns

But it’s the one that was recommended by many  blind /
visually impaired folks.

So I only hope it’s worth the wait.

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Mike B.
*Sent:* Sunday, 10 October 2021 5:58 pm
*To:* viPhone 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
  

RE: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi,

The Qardio arm
Is for the upper arm,
It is about 5 inchs wide cuff  that fits around the base of your bicept towards 
the elbow,
This is where blood pressure monitors go when put on by doctors due to the 
artiry that runs down under the bicept being the one they listen to for the 
blocking and releasing of the blood.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lisa P. 
Geibel
Sent: Wednesday, 10 November 2021 1:26 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Janet Bell 
Subject: Re: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions


Hello,

I'm following this thread and have been as my husband and I are both totally 
blind and need to get an accessible machine for us around here or more him 
right now. I like what I've read about the Cardio one, but he wants one that 
fits the upper arm. Is there a good one for that area or are they all for the 
lower arm? Thanks.
On 11/9/2021 1:25 AM, Janet Bell wrote:

thanks very much Simon glad you finally got it.  Janet
On 08/11/2021 22:30, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
Hi Janet,

Yes I finally got it 10 days ago,

The app is fantastically accessible,
The actual device is very easy to use pretty much all the time,
Although if you move it stops measuring, or switchs off,

It’s probably 5 inchs in length and may be 2 inchs square at the end,

One end opens to have the triple a batteries in it,
Which there is a little bit of paper to stop the power connection when it’s new,

To turn it on, you unroll it and put it on your arm,
Then  once the cuff is farsened closed it gives you a measure button in the app 
which then starts the measuring of the blood pressure,

So the motor and sensors are in the  little box and it takes a matter of a 
minute if that to do the measurement

And then the app displays the measurement which I have to flick to find.

Really really easy and I believe well worth the $250 nz dollars I paid for it.

Only issue I had was the shipping time,

Seemingly shipping to Australia and NZ is having delays due to the virus

Hope that helps.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Janet 
Bell
Sent: Tuesday, 9 November 2021 6:08 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions


HI Simon, have you got the blood pressure device yet?  Janet
On 10/10/2021 23:35, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
Hi Janet,

To my knowledge
You can use it in any country,
I’m in New Zealand so well on the underside of the globe,

This device was suggested by a lot of folks in the USA
And the app to use is called
:Qardio”
But yeah once it arrives I can give a bit of a run down on it for you.
I believe it speaks the test results to you when you take the test.

And the app I believe lets you share the results with your doctor via the net 
and or from the app.

But hey I’ll let you know.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Janet 
Bell
Sent: Sunday, 10 October 2021 8:01 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions


Hi Simon when it arrives will you let me know what it is like and if it is easy 
to set up.  Janet ps and also what app you need to use it.  and one final thing 
can you use it in any country?  Janet
On 10/10/2021 07:05, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
Hi Mike,

I’d love to tell you abou the qardio arm blood pressure monitor I have,

But although I’ve ordered and paid for it,

It hasn’t’ yet arrived at my door,

Some globle issue with shipping thingns

But it’s the one that was recommended by many  blind / visually impaired folks.

So I only hope it’s worth the wait.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, 10 October 2021 5:58 pm
To: viPhone <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions

Hi All,

I'm in the market of replacing my current Reizen blood pressure testing 
machine, mainly because it's almost 20 years old and seems to be reporting 
irraticly.

The hose doesn't seem to have any cracks, and the hose seems to plug in an seal 
sufficiently

So, I'm looking for a replacement device and would like to get opinions of some 
good talking blood pressure testing machines from all you good folks.

All input is greatly appreciated and graciously accepted.  Thanks mooy moocho.


Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"

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Re: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions

[Lisa P. Geibel]

        Hello,

I'm following this thread and have been as my husband and I are both 
totally blind and need to get an accessible machine for us around here 
or more him right now. I like what I've read about the Cardio one, but 
he wants one that fits the upper arm. Is there a good one for that area 
or are they all for the lower arm? Thanks.


On 11/9/2021 1:25 AM, Janet Bell wrote:


thanks very much Simon glad you finally got it.  Janet

On 08/11/2021 22:30, Simon A Fogarty wrote:


Hi Janet,

Yes I finally got it 10 days ago,

The app is fantastically accessible,

The actual device is very easy to use pretty much all the time,

Although if you move it stops measuring, or switchs off,

It’s probably 5 inchs in length and may be 2 inchs square at the end,

One end opens to have the triple a batteries in it,

Which there is a little bit of paper to stop the power connection 
when it’s new,


To turn it on, you unroll it and put it on your arm,

Then  once the cuff is farsened closed it gives you a measure button 
in the app which then starts the measuring of the blood pressure,


So the motor and sensors are in the  little box and it takes a matter 
of a minute if that to do the measurement


And then the app displays the measurement which I have to flick to find.

Really really easy and I believe well worth the $250 nz dollars I 
paid for it.


Only issue I had was the shipping time,

Seemingly shipping to Australia and NZ is having delays due to the virus

Hope that helps.

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf 
Of *Janet Bell

*Sent:* Tuesday, 9 November 2021 6:08 am
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions

HI Simon, have you got the blood pressure device yet? Janet

On 10/10/2021 23:35, Simon A Fogarty wrote:

Hi Janet,

To my knowledge

You can use it in any country,

I’m in New Zealand so well on the underside of the globe,

This device was suggested by a lot of folks in the USA

And the app to use is called

:Qardio”

But yeah once it arrives I can give a bit of a run down on it for
you.

I believe it speaks the test results to you when you take the test.

And the app I believe lets you share the results with your doctor
via the net and or from the app.

But hey I’ll let you know.

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Janet Bell
*Sent:* Sunday, 10 October 2021 8:01 pm
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions

Hi Simon when it arrives will you let me know what it is like and
if it is easy to set up.  Janet ps and also what app you need to
use it.  and one final thing can you use it in any country?  Janet

On 10/10/2021 07:05, Simon A Fogarty wrote:

Hi Mike,

I’d love to tell you abou the qardio arm blood pressure
monitor I have,

But although I’ve ordered and paid for it,

It hasn’t’ yet arrived at my door,

Some globle issue with shipping thingns

But it’s the one that was recommended by many  blind /
visually impaired folks.

So I only hope it’s worth the wait.

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Mike B.
*Sent:* Sunday, 10 October 2021 5:58 pm
*To:* viPhone 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions

Hi All,

I'm in the market of replacing my current Reizen blood
    pressure testing machine, mainly because it's almost 20 years
old and seems to be reporting irraticly.

The hose doesn't seem to have any cracks, and the hose seems
to plug in an seal sufficiently

So, I'm looking for a replacement device and would like to
get opinions of some good talking blood pressure testing
machines from all you good folks.

All input is greatly appreciated and graciously accepted. 
Thanks mooy moocho.

Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say: 
"Close Enough!"

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Re: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions

[Janet Bell]

thanks very much Simon glad you finally got it.  Janet

On 08/11/2021 22:30, Simon A Fogarty wrote:


Hi Janet,

Yes I finally got it 10 days ago,

The app is fantastically accessible,

The actual device is very easy to use pretty much all the time,

Although if you move it stops measuring, or switchs off,

It’s probably 5 inchs in length and may be 2 inchs square at the end,

One end opens to have the triple a batteries in it,

Which there is a little bit of paper to stop the power connection when 
it’s new,


To turn it on, you unroll it and put it on your arm,

Then  once the cuff is farsened closed it gives you a measure button 
in the app which then starts the measuring of the blood pressure,


So the motor and sensors are in the  little box and it takes a matter 
of a minute if that to do the measurement


And then the app displays the measurement which I have to flick to find.

Really really easy and I believe well worth the $250 nz dollars I paid 
for it.


Only issue I had was the shipping time,

Seemingly shipping to Australia and NZ is having delays due to the virus

Hope that helps.

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf 
Of *Janet Bell

*Sent:* Tuesday, 9 November 2021 6:08 am
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions

HI Simon, have you got the blood pressure device yet?  Janet

On 10/10/2021 23:35, Simon A Fogarty wrote:

Hi Janet,

To my knowledge

You can use it in any country,

I’m in New Zealand so well on the underside of the globe,

This device was suggested by a lot of folks in the USA

And the app to use is called

:Qardio”

But yeah once it arrives I can give a bit of a run down on it for you.

I believe it speaks the test results to you when you take the test.

And the app I believe lets you share the results with your doctor
via the net and or from the app.

But hey I’ll let you know.

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
 <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> *On
Behalf Of *Janet Bell
*Sent:* Sunday, 10 October 2021 8:01 pm
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions

Hi Simon when it arrives will you let me know what it is like and
if it is easy to set up.  Janet ps and also what app you need to
use it.  and one final thing can you use it in any country?  Janet

On 10/10/2021 07:05, Simon A Fogarty wrote:

Hi Mike,

I’d love to tell you abou the qardio arm blood pressure
monitor I have,

But although I’ve ordered and paid for it,

It hasn’t’ yet arrived at my door,

Some globle issue with shipping thingns

But it’s the one that was recommended by many  blind /
visually impaired folks.

So I only hope it’s worth the wait.

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Mike B.
*Sent:* Sunday, 10 October 2021 5:58 pm
*To:* viPhone 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
    *Subject:* Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions

Hi All,

I'm in the market of replacing my current Reizen blood
pressure testing machine, mainly because it's almost 20 years
old and seems to be reporting irraticly.

The hose doesn't seem to have any cracks, and the hose seems
to plug in an seal sufficiently

So, I'm looking for a replacement device and would like to get
opinions of some good talking blood pressure testing machines
from all you good folks.

All input is greatly appreciated and graciously accepted. 
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RE: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Janet,

Yes I finally got it 10 days ago,

The app is fantastically accessible,
The actual device is very easy to use pretty much all the time,
Although if you move it stops measuring, or switchs off,

It’s probably 5 inchs in length and may be 2 inchs square at the end,

One end opens to have the triple a batteries in it,
Which there is a little bit of paper to stop the power connection when it’s new,

To turn it on, you unroll it and put it on your arm,
Then  once the cuff is farsened closed it gives you a measure button in the app 
which then starts the measuring of the blood pressure,

So the motor and sensors are in the  little box and it takes a matter of a 
minute if that to do the measurement

And then the app displays the measurement which I have to flick to find.

Really really easy and I believe well worth the $250 nz dollars I paid for it.

Only issue I had was the shipping time,

Seemingly shipping to Australia and NZ is having delays due to the virus

Hope that helps.

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Sent: Tuesday, 9 November 2021 6:08 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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HI Simon, have you got the blood pressure device yet?  Janet
On 10/10/2021 23:35, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
Hi Janet,

To my knowledge
You can use it in any country,
I’m in New Zealand so well on the underside of the globe,

This device was suggested by a lot of folks in the USA
And the app to use is called
:Qardio”
But yeah once it arrives I can give a bit of a run down on it for you.
I believe it speaks the test results to you when you take the test.

And the app I believe lets you share the results with your doctor via the net 
and or from the app.

But hey I’ll let you know.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Janet 
Bell
Sent: Sunday, 10 October 2021 8:01 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions


Hi Simon when it arrives will you let me know what it is like and if it is easy 
to set up.  Janet ps and also what app you need to use it.  and one final thing 
can you use it in any country?  Janet
On 10/10/2021 07:05, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
Hi Mike,

I’d love to tell you abou the qardio arm blood pressure monitor I have,

But although I’ve ordered and paid for it,

It hasn’t’ yet arrived at my door,

Some globle issue with shipping thingns

But it’s the one that was recommended by many  blind / visually impaired folks.

So I only hope it’s worth the wait.



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Subject: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions

Hi All,

I'm in the market of replacing my current Reizen blood pressure testing 
machine, mainly because it's almost 20 years old and seems to be reporting 
irraticly.

The hose doesn't seem to have any cracks, and the hose seems to plug in an seal 
sufficiently

So, I'm looking for a replacement device and would like to get opinions of some 
good talking blood pressure testing machines from all you good folks.

All input is greatly appreciated and graciously accepted.  Thanks mooy moocho.


Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
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HI Simon, have you got the blood pressure device yet?  Janet

On 10/10/2021 23:35, Simon A Fogarty wrote:


Hi Janet,

To my knowledge

You can use it in any country,

I’m in New Zealand so well on the underside of the globe,

This device was suggested by a lot of folks in the USA

And the app to use is called

:Qardio”

But yeah once it arrives I can give a bit of a run down on it for you.

I believe it speaks the test results to you when you take the test.

And the app I believe lets you share the results with your doctor via 
the net and or from the app.


But hey I’ll let you know.

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf 
Of *Janet Bell

*Sent:* Sunday, 10 October 2021 8:01 pm
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions

Hi Simon when it arrives will you let me know what it is like and if 
it is easy to set up.  Janet ps and also what app you need to use it.  
and one final thing can you use it in any country?  Janet


On 10/10/2021 07:05, Simon A Fogarty wrote:

Hi Mike,

I’d love to tell you abou the qardio arm blood pressure monitor I
have,

But although I’ve ordered and paid for it,

It hasn’t’ yet arrived at my door,

Some globle issue with shipping thingns

But it’s the one that was recommended by many  blind / visually
impaired folks.

So I only hope it’s worth the wait.

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
 <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> *On
Behalf Of *Mike B.
*Sent:* Sunday, 10 October 2021 5:58 pm
*To:* viPhone 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions

Hi All,

I'm in the market of replacing my current Reizen blood pressure
testing machine, mainly because it's almost 20 years old and seems
to be reporting irraticly.

The hose doesn't seem to have any cracks, and the hose seems to
plug in an seal sufficiently

So, I'm looking for a replacement device and would like to get
opinions of some good talking blood pressure testing machines from
all you good folks.

All input is greatly appreciated and graciously accepted.  Thanks
mooy moocho.

Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
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thanks Simon you're a star.  Janet

On 10/10/2021 23:35, Simon A Fogarty wrote:


Hi Janet,

To my knowledge

You can use it in any country,

I’m in New Zealand so well on the underside of the globe,

This device was suggested by a lot of folks in the USA

And the app to use is called

:Qardio”

But yeah once it arrives I can give a bit of a run down on it for you.

I believe it speaks the test results to you when you take the test.

And the app I believe lets you share the results with your doctor via 
the net and or from the app.


But hey I’ll let you know.

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf 
Of *Janet Bell

*Sent:* Sunday, 10 October 2021 8:01 pm
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions

Hi Simon when it arrives will you let me know what it is like and if 
it is easy to set up.  Janet ps and also what app you need to use it.  
and one final thing can you use it in any country?  Janet


On 10/10/2021 07:05, Simon A Fogarty wrote:

Hi Mike,

I’d love to tell you abou the qardio arm blood pressure monitor I
have,

But although I’ve ordered and paid for it,

It hasn’t’ yet arrived at my door,

Some globle issue with shipping thingns

But it’s the one that was recommended by many  blind / visually
impaired folks.

So I only hope it’s worth the wait.

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
 <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> *On
Behalf Of *Mike B.
*Sent:* Sunday, 10 October 2021 5:58 pm
*To:* viPhone 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions

Hi All,

I'm in the market of replacing my current Reizen blood pressure
testing machine, mainly because it's almost 20 years old and seems
to be reporting irraticly.

The hose doesn't seem to have any cracks, and the hose seems to
plug in an seal sufficiently

So, I'm looking for a replacement device and would like to get
opinions of some good talking blood pressure testing machines from
all you good folks.

All input is greatly appreciated and graciously accepted.  Thanks
mooy moocho.

Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
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RE: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Janet,

To my knowledge
You can use it in any country,
I’m in New Zealand so well on the underside of the globe,

This device was suggested by a lot of folks in the USA
And the app to use is called
:Qardio”
But yeah once it arrives I can give a bit of a run down on it for you.
I believe it speaks the test results to you when you take the test.

And the app I believe lets you share the results with your doctor via the net 
and or from the app.

But hey I’ll let you know.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Janet 
Bell
Sent: Sunday, 10 October 2021 8:01 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions


Hi Simon when it arrives will you let me know what it is like and if it is easy 
to set up.  Janet ps and also what app you need to use it.  and one final thing 
can you use it in any country?  Janet
On 10/10/2021 07:05, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
Hi Mike,

I’d love to tell you abou the qardio arm blood pressure monitor I have,

But although I’ve ordered and paid for it,

It hasn’t’ yet arrived at my door,

Some globle issue with shipping thingns

But it’s the one that was recommended by many  blind / visually impaired folks.

So I only hope it’s worth the wait.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, 10 October 2021 5:58 pm
To: viPhone <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions

Hi All,

I'm in the market of replacing my current Reizen blood pressure testing 
machine, mainly because it's almost 20 years old and seems to be reporting 
irraticly.

The hose doesn't seem to have any cracks, and the hose seems to plug in an seal 
sufficiently

So, I'm looking for a replacement device and would like to get opinions of some 
good talking blood pressure testing machines from all you good folks.

All input is greatly appreciated and graciously accepted.  Thanks mooy moocho.


Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
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[Janet Bell]

Hi Simon when it arrives will you let me know what it is like and if it 
is easy to set up.  Janet ps and also what app you need to use it.  and 
one final thing can you use it in any country?  Janet


On 10/10/2021 07:05, Simon A Fogarty wrote:


Hi Mike,

I’d love to tell you abou the qardio arm blood pressure monitor I have,

But although I’ve ordered and paid for it,

It hasn’t’ yet arrived at my door,

Some globle issue with shipping thingns

But it’s the one that was recommended by many  blind / visually 
impaired folks.


So I only hope it’s worth the wait.

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf 
Of *Mike B.

*Sent:* Sunday, 10 October 2021 5:58 pm
*To:* viPhone 
*Subject:* Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions

Hi All,

I'm in the market of replacing my current Reizen blood pressure 
testing machine, mainly because it's almost 20 years old and seems to 
be reporting irraticly.


The hose doesn't seem to have any cracks, and the hose seems to plug 
in an seal sufficiently


So, I'm looking for a replacement device and would like to get 
opinions of some good talking blood pressure testing machines from all 
you good folks.


All input is greatly appreciated and graciously accepted.  Thanks mooy 
moocho.


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[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Mike,

I’d love to tell you abou the qardio arm blood pressure monitor I have,

But although I’ve ordered and paid for it,

It hasn’t’ yet arrived at my door,

Some globle issue with shipping thingns

But it’s the one that was recommended by many  blind / visually impaired folks.

So I only hope it’s worth the wait.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, 10 October 2021 5:58 pm
To: viPhone 
Subject: Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions

Hi All,

I'm in the market of replacing my current Reizen blood pressure testing 
machine, mainly because it's almost 20 years old and seems to be reporting 
irraticly.

The hose doesn't seem to have any cracks, and the hose seems to plug in an seal 
sufficiently

So, I'm looking for a replacement device and would like to get opinions of some 
good talking blood pressure testing machines from all you good folks.

All input is greatly appreciated and graciously accepted.  Thanks mooy moocho.


Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
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Blood Pressure Testing Device Opinions

[Mike B.]

Hi All,

I'm in the market of replacing my current Reizen blood pressure testing 
machine, mainly because it's almost 20 years old and seems to be reporting 
irraticly.

The hose doesn't seem to have any cracks, and the hose seems to plug in an 
seal sufficiently

So, I'm looking for a replacement device and would like to get opinions of 
some good talking blood pressure testing machines from all you good folks.

All input is greatly appreciated and graciously accepted.  Thanks mooy 
moocho.


Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
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RE: Testing walkie-talkie on the Apple Watch

[Johna Gravitt]

Hello Joe,
I have added you to my contacts using the Gmail address and I will try to 
contact you.
Johna


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Subject: Testing walkie-talkie on the Apple Watch

while this is not a new product by any stretch of the imagination, it’s new to 
me, as I just got a series 6 Apple Watch Monday.
I would like somebody to test walkie-talkie with me, if they feel comfortable 
in doing so. Do you need a phone number, or would it work with an email 
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contact list, and then invite me to be walkie-talkie partners. :-)  This, 
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Testing walkie-talkie on the Apple Watch

[Joe Quinn]

while this is not a new product by any stretch of the imagination, it’s new to 
me, as I just got a series 6 Apple Watch Monday.
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Testing Please Ignore.

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RE: Testing as having issues sending to the list

[Mich Verrier]

Yes it has gone through. From Mich.

 

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blazie.g...@gmail.com
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Subject: Testing as having issues sending to the list

 

Just testing to see if this goes through.  It seems like I haven’t been able to 
post in 3 months or so.

 

Vivian and Sallie

 

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RE: Testing as having issues sending to the list

[llumpkin]

Came through fine.

 

 

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Just testing to see if this goes through.  It seems like I haven’t been able to 
post in 3 months or so.

 

Vivian and Sallie

 

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Testing as having issues sending to the list

[blazie.girl]

Just testing to see if this goes through.  It seems like I haven't been able
to post in 3 months or so.

 

Vivian and Sallie

 

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Testing

[Vivian Conger]

Sorry for highjacking a message but I wanted to reply to the list as a test.

 

In the last 2 weeks I have sent 3 fresh messages to the list and I wanted to 
make sure I was sending to the right address.  It looks the same to me but 
usually someone responds to inquiries.

 

The first message was regarding Facebook vs. Facebook mobile and the other 
messages were about a specific hearing-aid app.

 

If I missed responses, that’s on me but if they didn’t make it to the list, 
then I wanted to figure out what’s happening.

 

Many thanks for any thoughts.

 

Vivian and Sallie

 

 

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Just Testing, Please ignore.

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testing please ignore

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RE: beta testing

[Star Gazer]

I managed to get 3. 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 2:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: beta testing

If you get one ignorant technical support person hang up and call back or ask 
to speak to a supervisor. 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 6:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: beta testing

Thank you Daniel. 
I’m sorry my note came across as snotty, I did talk to Apple accessibility who 
sent me over to tier 1 support who were absolutely useless, they didn’t even 
know what Bluetooth was, refused to believe that I bought my charger and Iphone 
from actual vendors v. off the back of someone’s truck, and thought voiceover 
was where you talk to the phone. 



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From: Daniel MacDonald
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 4:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: beta testing

Well, without beta testing you have accessibil...@apple.com and for bugs you 
can submit reports to apple.com/feedback. Beta testing is the best way, but 
you’ve got options for not being interested.
Daniel

On Apr 16, 2021, at 11:48 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
 
Possibly the issue youre having is due to the fact you have an iPhone 12s,
 
Which isnt’ an iPhone available on the world market.
 
Could you mean a 12 or a 12 pro?
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2021 7:49 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: beta testing
 
Thank you Daniel. 
I’m not interested in beta testing, though I’d absolutely love it if apple 
fixed whatever issue is causing the Iphone 12’s not to charge wirelessly and 
also if they could make it so you could pick where you wanted voiceover to go 
when using Bluetooth over the speaker or over the phone speaker. 
I talked with apple accessibility on these issues today, they routed me to 
Apple technical support who had never heard of voiceover nor did they 
understand the charging issue, nor did they understand Bluetooth. 
The guy even said to me “just plug it in” when I was trying to describe the 
charging issue, if I wanted to do that and I liked that option I wouldn’t have 
even brought it up. 
Very frustrating to say the least especially as the charging issue wasn’t 
disclosed when I bought my phone, it is apparently very common with Iphone 12’s 
and I’m told to “just plug it in”. 
Really? 
 
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Daniel MacDonald
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: beta testing
 
IOS 15 is around the corner. I’ll start beta testing when the developer beta 1 
is available. Not much is known about the OS, and developers and beta testers 
alike sign a non-discloser agreement and since this list is not for betas, I 
can’t say anything until iOS 15 is officially reliesed to the public. Their is 
a beta list however, and if some join it, we’ll no everything. It is a 
violation of the list guidelines to be subscribed if you’re not actively beta 
testing. 
Regards,
Daniel
 
 
On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:41 PM, kliph miller Sr  wrote:
I run a beta list, and we test all betas with all aspects.  IOS, MacOS, iPads, 
iPhones, with and without bluetooth keyboards.  Even submitted bug reports, and 
share those bug report numbers so it can be referenced and be connected to the 
same issue.
 
My groups
User of just apple products, like to ask and answer without other topics?  
That’s how it goes down in “only Apple talk and support. Subscribe here
only-apple-tns+subscr...@groups.io
Come talk
 just apple!
Beta tester for apple products?  come help squash the bugs
public-beta-users+subscr...@groups.io
Because of the non disclosure agreement, if your not a beta tester, please 
don’t join the group.
Have a braille display?  Come teach and learn with others
braille-display-users+subscr...@groups.io
 
On Apr 15, 2021, at 5:23 PM, deidreandlou...@gmail.com wrote:
 
I would urge beta testers to do a lot of the testing of features  not just from 
bluetooth keyboards but through touching and tapping and swiping on the screen. 
I think things have been overlooked in the past in regard to swiping vs things 
that work real well for those using bluetooth keyboards or braile devices with 
their phones.
 
Deidre
 
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RE: beta testing

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If you get one ignorant technical support person hang up and call back or ask 
to speak to a supervisor.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 6:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: beta testing

Thank you Daniel.
I’m sorry my note came across as snotty, I did talk to Apple accessibility who 
sent me over to tier 1 support who were absolutely useless, they didn’t even 
know what Bluetooth was, refused to believe that I bought my charger and Iphone 
from actual vendors v. off the back of someone’s truck, and thought voiceover 
was where you talk to the phone.



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From: Daniel MacDonald<mailto:daniel.angus.macdon...@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 4:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: beta testing

Well, without beta testing you have accessibil...@apple.com and for bugs you 
can submit reports to apple.com/feedback. Beta testing is the best way, but 
you’ve got options for not being interested.
Daniel

On Apr 16, 2021, at 11:48 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:

Possibly the issue youre having is due to the fact you have an iPhone 12s,

Which isnt’ an iPhone available on the world market.

Could you mean a 12 or a 12 pro?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2021 7:49 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: beta testing

Thank you Daniel.
I’m not interested in beta testing, though I’d absolutely love it if apple 
fixed whatever issue is causing the Iphone 12’s not to charge wirelessly and 
also if they could make it so you could pick where you wanted voiceover to go 
when using Bluetooth over the speaker or over the phone speaker.
I talked with apple accessibility on these issues today, they routed me to 
Apple technical support who had never heard of voiceover nor did they 
understand the charging issue, nor did they understand Bluetooth.
The guy even said to me “just plug it in” when I was trying to describe the 
charging issue, if I wanted to do that and I liked that option I wouldn’t have 
even brought it up.
Very frustrating to say the least especially as the charging issue wasn’t 
disclosed when I bought my phone, it is apparently very common with Iphone 12’s 
and I’m told to “just plug it in”.
Really?


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From: Daniel MacDonald<mailto:daniel.angus.macdon...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: beta testing

IOS 15 is around the corner. I’ll start beta testing when the developer beta 1 
is available. Not much is known about the OS, and developers and beta testers 
alike sign a non-discloser agreement and since this list is not for betas, I 
can’t say anything until iOS 15 is officially reliesed to the public. Their is 
a beta list however, and if some join it, we’ll no everything. It is a 
violation of the list guidelines to be subscribed if you’re not actively beta 
testing.
Regards,
Daniel


On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:41 PM, kliph miller Sr 
mailto:kliph.miller...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I run a beta list, and we test all betas with all aspects.  IOS, MacOS, iPads, 
iPhones, with and without bluetooth keyboards.  Even submitted bug reports, and 
share those bug report numbers so it can be referenced and be connected to the 
same issue.

My groups
User of just apple products, like to ask and answer without other topics?  
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On Apr 15, 2021, at 5:23 PM, 
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I would urge beta testers to do a lot of the testing of features  not just from 
bluetooth keyboards but through touching and tapping and swiping on the screen. 
I think things have been overlooked in the past in regard to swiping vs things 
that work real well for those using bluetooth keyboards or braile devices with 
their phones.

Deidre

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RE: beta testing

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Have you called Apple regarding your wireless charging issue? I suspect this is 
very specific to you rphone possibly a hardware defect since if this were a 
wide-spread problem one would have heard about it all over the big tech 
publications.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 12:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: beta testing

Thank you Daniel.
I’m not interested in beta testing, though I’d absolutely love it if apple 
fixed whatever issue is causing the Iphone 12’s not to charge wirelessly and 
also if they could make it so you could pick where you wanted voiceover to go 
when using Bluetooth over the speaker or over the phone speaker.
I talked with apple accessibility on these issues today, they routed me to 
Apple technical support who had never heard of voiceover nor did they 
understand the charging issue, nor did they understand Bluetooth.
The guy even said to me “just plug it in” when I was trying to describe the 
charging issue, if I wanted to do that and I liked that option I wouldn’t have 
even brought it up.
Very frustrating to say the least especially as the charging issue wasn’t 
disclosed when I bought my phone, it is apparently very common with Iphone 12’s 
and I’m told to “just plug it in”.
Really?


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From: Daniel MacDonald<mailto:daniel.angus.macdon...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: beta testing

IOS 15 is around the corner. I’ll start beta testing when the developer beta 1 
is available. Not much is known about the OS, and developers and beta testers 
alike sign a non-discloser agreement and since this list is not for betas, I 
can’t say anything until iOS 15 is officially reliesed to the public. Their is 
a beta list however, and if some join it, we’ll no everything. It is a 
violation of the list guidelines to be subscribed if you’re not actively beta 
testing.
Regards,
Daniel


On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:41 PM, kliph miller Sr 
mailto:kliph.miller...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I run a beta list, and we test all betas with all aspects.  IOS, MacOS, iPads, 
iPhones, with and without bluetooth keyboards.  Even submitted bug reports, and 
share those bug report numbers so it can be referenced and be connected to the 
same issue.

My groups
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On Apr 15, 2021, at 5:23 PM, 
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I would urge beta testers to do a lot of the testing of features  not just from 
bluetooth keyboards but through touching and tapping and swiping on the screen. 
I think things have been overlooked in the past in regard to swiping vs things 
that work real well for those using bluetooth keyboards or braile devices with 
their phones.

Deidre

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RE: beta testing

[Simon A Fogarty]

Sorry what!?

Who this day in age doesn’t know what Bluetooth is?

Hell it’s been around longer than most of the devices we’re talking about on 
the list.

Not knowing about voiceover is something I can kind of understand,

But Bluetooth, really!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Daniel 
MacDonald
Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2021 1:58 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: Daniel Macdonald 
Subject: Re: beta testing

Wow! I think. All apple technical support employees should be trained in 
VoiceOver. To have one not know what bluetooth is probably signifies that they 
were new and just applied for the job and got it, and Apple didn’t have proper 
job requirements. One day, I called Apple Accessibility five times and got new 
employees. I mentioned that I was running the public beta and they asked me 
what the bugs were. Off course, I couldn’t tell them as that’s a violation of 
the non-discloser agreement. Then the last time I called that day, I got the 
head of accessibility technical support. He asked me how good the new staff 
did. I roll him they did well, but they asked me about bugs in beta software 
and explained that is a violation of Apple’s  Non-disclosure agreement. So I 
guess it hit and miss sometimes with Apple Technical support, and unfortunately 
you had a ‘miss’.
Regards,
Daniel



On Apr 16, 2021, at 7:51 PM, Carolyn 
<4carol...@windstream.net<mailto:4carol...@windstream.net>> wrote:

I would have a bird, if I couldn't wireless charge my 11!
c
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Star Gazer
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: beta testing

Thank you Daniel.

I’m not interested in beta testing, though I’d absolutely love it if apple 
fixed whatever issue is causing the Iphone 12’s not to charge wirelessly and 
also if they could make it so you could pick where you wanted voiceover to go 
when using Bluetooth over the speaker or over the phone speaker.

I talked with apple accessibility on these issues today, they routed me to 
Apple technical support who had never heard of voiceover nor did they 
understand the charging issue, nor did they understand Bluetooth.

The guy even said to me “just plug it in” when I was trying to describe the 
charging issue, if I wanted to do that and I liked that option I wouldn’t have 
even brought it up.

Very frustrating to say the least especially as the charging issue wasn’t 
disclosed when I bought my phone, it is apparently very common with Iphone 12’s 
and I’m told to “just plug it in”.

Really?





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From: Daniel MacDonald <mailto:daniel.angus.macdon...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: beta testing



IOS 15 is around the corner. I’ll start beta testing when the developer beta 1 
is available. Not much is known about the OS, and developers and beta testers 
alike sign a non-discloser agreement and since this list is not for betas, I 
can’t say anything until iOS 15 is officially reliesed to the public. Their is 
a beta list however, and if some join it, we’ll no everything. It is a 
violation of the list guidelines to be subscribed if you’re not actively beta 
testing.

Regards,

Daniel







On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:41 PM, kliph miller Sr 
mailto:kliph.miller...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I run a beta list, and we test all betas with all aspects.  
IOS, MacOS, iPads, iPhones, with and without bluetooth keyboards.  Even 
submitted bug reports, and share those bug report numbers so it can be 
referenced and be connected to the same issue.



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other topics?  That’s how it goes down in “only Apple talk and support. 
Subscribe here

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On Apr 15, 2021, at 5:23 PM, 
de

RE: beta testing

[Richard Turner]

For what it is worth, I forwarded the conversation from this list to apple 
Accessibility and requested both managers in Accessibility and regular tech 
support see the notes.
Please, do what I am also going to do, and provide feedback through the 
www.apple.com/feedback<http://www.apple.com/feedback>.
No one from Apple sees anything on this list and they won’t fix an issue if 
they are not aware of it.
I used to have a good contact who was a Apple Manager but he moved on to a 
different position and I lost track of him.

We need to make a good faith effort to get the attention of someone in 
authority as someone working for Apple who did not know what Bluetooth is, 
tells me it is a generic call center and not actually an in-house Apple person.



Richard
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 7:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: beta testing

I had 3 misses.
Very frustrating and I’m sorry, being new at a job doesn’t excuse those 
mistakes, I called people who are paid to be there, I didn’t ask the local 
homeless guy or a random guy at a bar… these guys should have known better.


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Subject: Re: beta testing

Wow! I think. All apple technical support employees should be trained in 
VoiceOver. To have one not know what bluetooth is probably signifies that they 
were new and just applied for the job and got it, and Apple didn’t have proper 
job requirements. One day, I called Apple Accessibility five times and got new 
employees. I mentioned that I was running the public beta and they asked me 
what the bugs were. Off course, I couldn’t tell them as that’s a violation of 
the non-discloser agreement. Then the last time I called that day, I got the 
head of accessibility technical support. He asked me how good the new staff 
did. I roll him they did well, but they asked me about bugs in beta software 
and explained that is a violation of Apple’s  Non-disclosure agreement. So I 
guess it hit and miss sometimes with Apple Technical support, and unfortunately 
you had a ‘miss’.
Regards,
Daniel


On Apr 16, 2021, at 7:51 PM, Carolyn 
<4carol...@windstream.net<mailto:4carol...@windstream.net>> wrote:

I would have a bird, if I couldn't wireless charge my 11!
c
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Star Gazer
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: beta testing

Thank you Daniel.

I’m not interested in beta testing, though I’d absolutely love it if apple 
fixed whatever issue is causing the Iphone 12’s not to charge wirelessly and 
also if they could make it so you could pick where you wanted voiceover to go 
when using Bluetooth over the speaker or over the phone speaker.

I talked with apple accessibility on these issues today, they routed me to 
Apple technical support who had never heard of voiceover nor did they 
understand the charging issue, nor did they understand Bluetooth.

The guy even said to me “just plug it in” when I was trying to describe the 
charging issue, if I wanted to do that and I liked that option I wouldn’t have 
even brought it up.

Very frustrating to say the least especially as the charging issue wasn’t 
disclosed when I bought my phone, it is apparently very common with Iphone 12’s 
and I’m told to “just plug it in”.

Really?





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To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@go

RE: beta testing

[Star Gazer]

I had 3 misses. 
Very frustrating and I’m sorry, being new at a job doesn’t excuse those 
mistakes, I called people who are paid to be there, I didn’t ask the local 
homeless guy or a random guy at a bar… these guys should have known better. 


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Daniel MacDonald
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 9:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: Daniel Macdonald
Subject: Re: beta testing

Wow! I think. All apple technical support employees should be trained in 
VoiceOver. To have one not know what bluetooth is probably signifies that they 
were new and just applied for the job and got it, and Apple didn’t have proper 
job requirements. One day, I called Apple Accessibility five times and got new 
employees. I mentioned that I was running the public beta and they asked me 
what the bugs were. Off course, I couldn’t tell them as that’s a violation of 
the non-discloser agreement. Then the last time I called that day, I got the 
head of accessibility technical support. He asked me how good the new staff 
did. I roll him they did well, but they asked me about bugs in beta software 
and explained that is a violation of Apple’s  Non-disclosure agreement. So I 
guess it hit and miss sometimes with Apple Technical support, and unfortunately 
you had a ‘miss’. 
Regards,
Daniel



On Apr 16, 2021, at 7:51 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:

I would have a bird, if I couldn't wireless charge my 11! 
c
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Star Gazer
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: beta testing

Thank you Daniel. 

I’m not interested in beta testing, though I’d absolutely love it if apple 
fixed whatever issue is causing the Iphone 12’s not to charge wirelessly and 
also if they could make it so you could pick where you wanted voiceover to go 
when using Bluetooth over the speaker or over the phone speaker. 

I talked with apple accessibility on these issues today, they routed me to 
Apple technical support who had never heard of voiceover nor did they 
understand the charging issue, nor did they understand Bluetooth. 

The guy even said to me “just plug it in” when I was trying to describe the 
charging issue, if I wanted to do that and I liked that option I wouldn’t have 
even brought it up. 

Very frustrating to say the least especially as the charging issue wasn’t 
disclosed when I bought my phone, it is apparently very common with Iphone 12’s 
and I’m told to “just plug it in”. 

Really? 





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From: Daniel MacDonald <mailto:daniel.angus.macdon...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: beta testing



IOS 15 is around the corner. I’ll start beta testing when the developer beta 1 
is available. Not much is known about the OS, and developers and beta testers 
alike sign a non-discloser agreement and since this list is not for betas, I 
can’t say anything until iOS 15 is officially reliesed to the public. Their is 
a beta list however, and if some join it, we’ll no everything. It is a 
violation of the list guidelines to be subscribed if you’re not actively beta 
testing. 

Regards,

Daniel







On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:41 PM, kliph miller Sr 
 wrote:

I run a beta list, and we test all betas with all aspects.  IOS, 
MacOS, iPads, iPhones, with and without bluetooth keyboards.  Even submitted 
bug reports, and share those bug report numbers so it can be referenced and be 
connected to the same issue.

 

My groups
User of just apple products, like to ask and answer without other 
topics?  That’s how it goes down in “only Apple talk and support. Subscribe here
only-apple-tns+subscr...@groups.io
<mailto:only-apple-tns+subscr...@groups.io> Come talk
 just apple!
Beta tester for apple products?  come help squash the bugs
public-beta-users+subscr...@groups.io
<mailto:public-beta-users+subscr...@groups.io> Because of the non 
disclosure agreement, if your not a beta tester, please don’t join the group.
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On Apr 15, 2021, at 5:23 PM, 
deidreandlou...@gmail.com<mailto:deidreandlou...@gmail.com>  wrote:

 

    I would urge beta testers to do a lot of the testing of 
features  not just from bluetooth keyboards but through touching and tapping 
and swiping on the screen. I think things have been overlooked in the past in 
regard to swiping vs things that work real well for those using bluetooth 
keyboards or braile devices with their ph

RE: beta testing

[Star Gazer]

Thank you Daniel. 
I’m sorry my note came across as snotty, I did talk to Apple accessibility who 
sent me over to tier 1 support who were absolutely useless, they didn’t even 
know what Bluetooth was, refused to believe that I bought my charger and Iphone 
from actual vendors v. off the back of someone’s truck, and thought voiceover 
was where you talk to the phone. 



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Daniel MacDonald
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 4:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: beta testing

Well, without beta testing you have accessibil...@apple.com and for bugs you 
can submit reports to apple.com/feedback. Beta testing is the best way, but 
you’ve got options for not being interested.
Daniel


On Apr 16, 2021, at 11:48 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
 
Possibly the issue youre having is due to the fact you have an iPhone 12s,
 
Which isnt’ an iPhone available on the world market.
 
Could you mean a 12 or a 12 pro?
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2021 7:49 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: beta testing
 
Thank you Daniel. 
I’m not interested in beta testing, though I’d absolutely love it if apple 
fixed whatever issue is causing the Iphone 12’s not to charge wirelessly and 
also if they could make it so you could pick where you wanted voiceover to go 
when using Bluetooth over the speaker or over the phone speaker. 
I talked with apple accessibility on these issues today, they routed me to 
Apple technical support who had never heard of voiceover nor did they 
understand the charging issue, nor did they understand Bluetooth. 
The guy even said to me “just plug it in” when I was trying to describe the 
charging issue, if I wanted to do that and I liked that option I wouldn’t have 
even brought it up. 
Very frustrating to say the least especially as the charging issue wasn’t 
disclosed when I bought my phone, it is apparently very common with Iphone 12’s 
and I’m told to “just plug it in”. 
Really? 
 
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Daniel MacDonald
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: beta testing
 
IOS 15 is around the corner. I’ll start beta testing when the developer beta 1 
is available. Not much is known about the OS, and developers and beta testers 
alike sign a non-discloser agreement and since this list is not for betas, I 
can’t say anything until iOS 15 is officially reliesed to the public. Their is 
a beta list however, and if some join it, we’ll no everything. It is a 
violation of the list guidelines to be subscribed if you’re not actively beta 
testing. 
Regards,
Daniel
 
 
On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:41 PM, kliph miller Sr  wrote:
I run a beta list, and we test all betas with all aspects.  IOS, MacOS, iPads, 
iPhones, with and without bluetooth keyboards.  Even submitted bug reports, and 
share those bug report numbers so it can be referenced and be connected to the 
same issue.
 
My groups
User of just apple products, like to ask and answer without other topics?  
That’s how it goes down in “only Apple talk and support. Subscribe here
only-apple-tns+subscr...@groups.io
Come talk
 just apple!
Beta tester for apple products?  come help squash the bugs
public-beta-users+subscr...@groups.io
Because of the non disclosure agreement, if your not a beta tester, please 
don’t join the group.
Have a braille display?  Come teach and learn with others
braille-display-users+subscr...@groups.io
 
On Apr 15, 2021, at 5:23 PM, deidreandlou...@gmail.com wrote:
 
I would urge beta testers to do a lot of the testing of features  not just from 
bluetooth keyboards but through touching and tapping and swiping on the screen. 
I think things have been overlooked in the past in regard to swiping vs things 
that work real well for those using bluetooth keyboards or braile devices with 
their phones.
 
Deidre
 
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Re: beta testing

[Daniel MacDonald]

Well, without beta testing you have accessibil...@apple.com and for bugs you 
can submit reports to apple.com/feedback. Beta testing is the best way, but 
you’ve got options for not being interested.
Daniel

> On Apr 16, 2021, at 11:48 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> 
> Possibly the issue youre having is due to the fact you have an iPhone 12s,
>  
> Which isnt’ an iPhone available on the world market.
>  
> Could you mean a 12 or a 12 pro?
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
> Gazer
> Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2021 7:49 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: beta testing
>  
> Thank you Daniel.
> I’m not interested in beta testing, though I’d absolutely love it if apple 
> fixed whatever issue is causing the Iphone 12’s not to charge wirelessly and 
> also if they could make it so you could pick where you wanted voiceover to go 
> when using Bluetooth over the speaker or over the phone speaker.
> I talked with apple accessibility on these issues today, they routed me to 
> Apple technical support who had never heard of voiceover nor did they 
> understand the charging issue, nor did they understand Bluetooth.
> The guy even said to me “just plug it in” when I was trying to describe the 
> charging issue, if I wanted to do that and I liked that option I wouldn’t 
> have even brought it up.
> Very frustrating to say the least especially as the charging issue wasn’t 
> disclosed when I bought my phone, it is apparently very common with Iphone 
> 12’s and I’m told to “just plug it in”.
> Really?
>  
>  
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> From: Daniel MacDonald
> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: beta testing
>  
> IOS 15 is around the corner. I’ll start beta testing when the developer beta 
> 1 is available. Not much is known about the OS, and developers and beta 
> testers alike sign a non-discloser agreement and since this list is not for 
> betas, I can’t say anything until iOS 15 is officially reliesed to the 
> public. Their is a beta list however, and if some join it, we’ll no 
> everything. It is a violation of the list guidelines to be subscribed if 
> you’re not actively beta testing. 
> Regards,
> Daniel
>  
>  
> 
> On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:41 PM, kliph miller Sr  
> wrote:
> 
> I run a beta list, and we test all betas with all aspects.  IOS, MacOS, 
> iPads, iPhones, with and without bluetooth keyboards.  Even submitted bug 
> reports, and share those bug report numbers so it can be referenced and be 
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> On Apr 15, 2021, at 5:23 PM, deidreandlou...@gmail.com wrote:
>  
> I would urge beta testers to do a lot of the testing of features  not just 
> from bluetooth keyboards but through touching and tapping and swiping on the 
> screen. I think things have been overlooked in the past in regard to swiping 
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RE: beta testing

[Simon A Fogarty]

Possibly the issue youre having is due to the fact you have an iPhone 12s,

Which isnt’ an iPhone available on the world market.

Could you mean a 12 or a 12 pro?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2021 7:49 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: beta testing

Thank you Daniel.
I’m not interested in beta testing, though I’d absolutely love it if apple 
fixed whatever issue is causing the Iphone 12’s not to charge wirelessly and 
also if they could make it so you could pick where you wanted voiceover to go 
when using Bluetooth over the speaker or over the phone speaker.
I talked with apple accessibility on these issues today, they routed me to 
Apple technical support who had never heard of voiceover nor did they 
understand the charging issue, nor did they understand Bluetooth.
The guy even said to me “just plug it in” when I was trying to describe the 
charging issue, if I wanted to do that and I liked that option I wouldn’t have 
even brought it up.
Very frustrating to say the least especially as the charging issue wasn’t 
disclosed when I bought my phone, it is apparently very common with Iphone 12’s 
and I’m told to “just plug it in”.
Really?


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From: Daniel MacDonald<mailto:daniel.angus.macdon...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: beta testing

IOS 15 is around the corner. I’ll start beta testing when the developer beta 1 
is available. Not much is known about the OS, and developers and beta testers 
alike sign a non-discloser agreement and since this list is not for betas, I 
can’t say anything until iOS 15 is officially reliesed to the public. Their is 
a beta list however, and if some join it, we’ll no everything. It is a 
violation of the list guidelines to be subscribed if you’re not actively beta 
testing.
Regards,
Daniel


On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:41 PM, kliph miller Sr 
mailto:kliph.miller...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I run a beta list, and we test all betas with all aspects.  IOS, MacOS, iPads, 
iPhones, with and without bluetooth keyboards.  Even submitted bug reports, and 
share those bug report numbers so it can be referenced and be connected to the 
same issue.

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On Apr 15, 2021, at 5:23 PM, 
deidreandlou...@gmail.com<mailto:deidreandlou...@gmail.com> wrote:

I would urge beta testers to do a lot of the testing of features  not just from 
bluetooth keyboards but through touching and tapping and swiping on the screen. 
I think things have been overlooked in the past in regard to swiping vs things 
that work real well for those using bluetooth keyboards or braile devices with 
their phones.

Deidre

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RE: beta testing

[Carolyn]

I would have a bird, if I couldn't wireless charge my 11! 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Star Gazer
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: beta testing

Thank you Daniel. 

I’m not interested in beta testing, though I’d absolutely love it if apple 
fixed whatever issue is causing the Iphone 12’s not to charge wirelessly and 
also if they could make it so you could pick where you wanted voiceover to go 
when using Bluetooth over the speaker or over the phone speaker. 

I talked with apple accessibility on these issues today, they routed me to 
Apple technical support who had never heard of voiceover nor did they 
understand the charging issue, nor did they understand Bluetooth. 

The guy even said to me “just plug it in” when I was trying to describe the 
charging issue, if I wanted to do that and I liked that option I wouldn’t have 
even brought it up. 

Very frustrating to say the least especially as the charging issue wasn’t 
disclosed when I bought my phone, it is apparently very common with Iphone 12’s 
and I’m told to “just plug it in”. 

Really? 

 

 

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From: Daniel MacDonald <mailto:daniel.angus.macdon...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: beta testing

 

IOS 15 is around the corner. I’ll start beta testing when the developer beta 1 
is available. Not much is known about the OS, and developers and beta testers 
alike sign a non-discloser agreement and since this list is not for betas, I 
can’t say anything until iOS 15 is officially reliesed to the public. Their is 
a beta list however, and if some join it, we’ll no everything. It is a 
violation of the list guidelines to be subscribed if you’re not actively beta 
testing. 

Regards,

Daniel

 





On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:41 PM, kliph miller Sr 
 wrote:

I run a beta list, and we test all betas with all aspects.  IOS, 
MacOS, iPads, iPhones, with and without bluetooth keyboards.  Even submitted 
bug reports, and share those bug report numbers so it can be referenced and be 
connected to the same issue.

 

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<mailto:deidreandlou...@gmail.com>  wrote:

 

I would urge beta testers to do a lot of the testing of 
features  not just from bluetooth keyboards but through touching and tapping 
and swiping on the screen. I think things have been overlooked in the past in 
regard to swiping vs things that work real well for those using bluetooth 
keyboards or braile devices with their phones.

 

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[Star Gazer]

Thank you Daniel. 
I’m not interested in beta testing, though I’d absolutely love it if apple 
fixed whatever issue is causing the Iphone 12’s not to charge wirelessly and 
also if they could make it so you could pick where you wanted voiceover to go 
when using Bluetooth over the speaker or over the phone speaker. 
I talked with apple accessibility on these issues today, they routed me to 
Apple technical support who had never heard of voiceover nor did they 
understand the charging issue, nor did they understand Bluetooth. 
The guy even said to me “just plug it in” when I was trying to describe the 
charging issue, if I wanted to do that and I liked that option I wouldn’t have 
even brought it up. 
Very frustrating to say the least especially as the charging issue wasn’t 
disclosed when I bought my phone, it is apparently very common with Iphone 12’s 
and I’m told to “just plug it in”. 
Really? 


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From: Daniel MacDonald
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: beta testing

IOS 15 is around the corner. I’ll start beta testing when the developer beta 1 
is available. Not much is known about the OS, and developers and beta testers 
alike sign a non-discloser agreement and since this list is not for betas, I 
can’t say anything until iOS 15 is officially reliesed to the public. Their is 
a beta list however, and if some join it, we’ll no everything. It is a 
violation of the list guidelines to be subscribed if you’re not actively beta 
testing. 
Regards,
Daniel



On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:41 PM, kliph miller Sr  wrote:
I run a beta list, and we test all betas with all aspects.  IOS, MacOS, iPads, 
iPhones, with and without bluetooth keyboards.  Even submitted bug reports, and 
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On Apr 15, 2021, at 5:23 PM, deidreandlou...@gmail.com wrote:

I would urge beta testers to do a lot of the testing of features  not just from 
bluetooth keyboards but through touching and tapping and swiping on the screen. 
I think things have been overlooked in the past in regard to swiping vs things 
that work real well for those using bluetooth keyboards or braile devices with 
their phones.
 
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Re: beta testing

[Daniel MacDonald]

IOS 15 is around the corner. I’ll start beta testing when the developer beta 1 
is available. Not much is known about the OS, and developers and beta testers 
alike sign a non-discloser agreement and since this list is not for betas, I 
can’t say anything until iOS 15 is officially reliesed to the public. Their is 
a beta list however, and if some join it, we’ll no everything. It is a 
violation of the list guidelines to be subscribed if you’re not actively beta 
testing. 
Regards,
Daniel


> On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:41 PM, kliph miller Sr  
> wrote:
> 
> I run a beta list, and we test all betas with all aspects.  IOS, MacOS, 
> iPads, iPhones, with and without bluetooth keyboards.  Even submitted bug 
> reports, and share those bug report numbers so it can be referenced and be 
> connected to the same issue.
> 
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>> On Apr 15, 2021, at 5:23 PM, deidreandlou...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> I would urge beta testers to do a lot of the testing of features  not just 
>> from bluetooth keyboards but through touching and tapping and swiping on the 
>> screen. I think things have been overlooked in the past in regard to swiping 
>> vs things that work real well for those using bluetooth keyboards or braile 
>> devices with their phones.
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Re: beta testing

[kliph miller Sr]

I run a beta list, and we test all betas with all aspects.  IOS, MacOS, iPads, 
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> On Apr 15, 2021, at 5:23 PM, deidreandlou...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I would urge beta testers to do a lot of the testing of features  not just 
> from bluetooth keyboards but through touching and tapping and swiping on the 
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Re: beta testing

[Mary Otten]

As someone who does not use a display or a keyboard with my phone, I can tell 
you that there are a lot of beta testers who do the same. Would you like to do 
it as well? Do you have a device that’s not your daily device? How about 
joining the party.
Mary


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> 
> I would urge beta testers to do a lot of the testing of features  not just 
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beta testing

[deidreandlouise]

I would urge beta testers to do a lot of the testing of features  not just from 
bluetooth keyboards but through touching and tapping and swiping on the screen. 
I think things have been overlooked in the past in regard to swiping vs things 
that work real well for those using bluetooth keyboards or braile devices with 
their phones.

 

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testing Press Record

[deidreandlouise]

Richard,

Whew , what an offer. Don't exhaust yourself!you will see or say, now way, it 
will be impossible. I fear the pproblem will be the 4 or so voices that speak 
interchangeably. Like I said though, any amount of transcription that could 
save me time typing would be helpful. Set me straight if no transcription 
programs would be capable of this, and please simplify things for me and tell 
me what such apps are best at, and most useful for. 

The podcast is This Week in Virology. The banter at the beginning and the 
favorite PICS at the end of the show do not need to be transcribed. The emails 
that they read towards the end of most shows are information packed, so I'd 
love to be able to study them closely in order to repeat some of the details 
I've heard.

   Once a week there is something called a Clinical Update with 
Daniel Griffin, and that is only him speaking until towards the end of the 
show. I access the podcast using my iphone and the native podcast app, but here 
is a link to last Sunday's episode which is one of the clinical updates, which 
these days all pertain to Covid: 

https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-734-2/

 

Deidre

   

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Otter and other transcription Apps

 

I’m not sure which recording apps other than Just Press Record offer 
transcription.

It is done after the recording is finished I think.  It is $4.99.

Since I already have it, if you point me to a program you want I’ll see if I 
can download and import the file and see how it does with it.

 

 

 

Richard

 

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.

 

 

My web site, www.turner42.com  

 

 

 

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deidreandlou...@gmail.com  
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Subject: Otter and other transcription Apps

 

Hello all,

I am looking for a transcription program that can transcribe recordings from a 
loudspeaker into text. I do not intend to speak directly into a device for 
transcription but will take what I want transcribed from a recording. It's 
possible,if I have to, that I could repeat what I hear while wearing ear hones 
but I fear transcription programs cant' receive information that fast.

There are some science programs I want transcriptions for, at least some 
sections of them, and there is no way I could type out what I hear for such 
long interviews, shows, podcasts. I would be able to stop and pause so that 
might help. 

   Any suggestions? 

 

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testing a mail filter please do not reply

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I am testing a mail filter that I created.  No need to reply.

 

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Re: testing a mail filter please do not reply

[Brandon Olivares]

OK I won’t reply.

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testing

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Re: Testing

[Georgi]

Again thank you Keith.  I have at the moment an I phone 8.  I had a 10 
but it needed repair.  It can't be fixed so i have been given the option 
to upgrade to the 11.  I think i will.  but it won't be for a while 
until i can get to do just that.  I want to be able to conference from 
my 8 and then finally from my 11.  My question here is , what is the 
best site to download to do that?  And will it be something i can 
transfer from one phone to the other?  I haven't sighted help and I need 
to be able to do this by myself?


Thank You

Georgi

On 10/7/2019 4:10 PM, Georgie Mac wrote:
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Re: need help testing a page for accessibility

[Ed Worrell]

Hey Donald,

I am running into the same issues you are describing. Even on my computer VO is 
not reading the table header as such. It will read the content in the table 
header but it will not read the proper roll tag outloud.

Hmm… I am puzzled on this one. I thought it was working the last time I used 
any tables… I have to dabble a little more with VO and creating tables. I even 
just for kicks added the title=“header” syntax to the  opening this simply 
messes up the rest of the column. 

Now you’ve got me interested  in seeing if I can figure out the code. If you 
would like you can email me off list with the html stuff 
(e...@overhereconsulting.net) instead of keeping this thread off topic for the 
list.

Ed

Ed


> On Jul 11, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Donald Raikes  wrote:
> 
> Ed,
> 
> The first table on the page I hand-coded using basic html. The second
> table is an oracleJet table component, so I wouldn't be surprised if
> it is acting a little different.
> 
> If you want to create a table that I can test with VoiceOver that
> would be great.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> On 7/11/19, Ed Worrell  wrote:
>> Hey Donald,
>> 
>> This table is not using  basic html correctly. I can create a table for you
>> and see if VoiceOver is still acting weird with it. Even on my computer it’s
>> acting a little strange. I think they used very basic html and didn’t use
>> the proper row or table header tags. This site is done by Oracle, the second
>> table is done with Java Script and it’s meant to look more accessible as JS
>> was developed by Oracle.
>> 
>> Ed W.
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Richard Turner 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I do not think VoiceOver will speak the column and row headings like
>>> Jaws.
>>> That has never worked for me, other than creating lots of extra verbiage
>>> that ends up being the row and column numbers, but never the headings.
>>> Maybe in iOS 13 we could see this, but I'm not holding my breath.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> Arthur C. Clarke's third law says: "Any sufficiently advanced technology
>>> is indistinguishable from magic."
>>> (Sent from the magical iPhone SE)
>>> www.turner42.com
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 10, 2019, at 3:27 PM, Donald Raikes  wrote:
 
 Ed,
 
 Thanks for the suggestions, but yes the verbosity was set to announce
 the row and column headings.
 
> On 7/10/19, Ed Worrell  wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Have you gone into the settings app, general, accessibility, VoiceOver,
> verbosity and checked to make sure all of the verbosity levels are set
> to on
> for tables?
> 
> This is where I would start. If I’m not mistaken there should also be a
> rotor option for tables. I don’t utilize this feature but it might only
> be
> to find tables on the page. I honestly don’t remember.
> 
> Ed W.
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2019, at 3:43 PM, Donald Raikes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all you VoiceOver experts:
>> 
>> I am trying to understand how VoiceOver should behave when working
>> with html tables.
>> 
>> I know that with JAWS, when I use the table navigation keystrokes that
>> JAWS will read the row/column headers plus the coordinate and data
>> cell contents.
>> 
>> When I use VoiceOver, all I am getting is the cell coordinates and
>> cell contents not the row and column headers.
>> 
>> What I do:
>> using the rotor, I jump to the table, then set the rotor to vertical
>> navigation. If I flick right or left I get the cell coordinate and its
>> contents but no header information. Same thing happens if I flick
>> up/down.
>> 
>> Is there something I am doing wrong, or is this a limitation of
>> VoiceOver?
>> 
>> Test URL:
>> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdonraikes.github.io%2FAccJet%2F%3Froot%3Dmodule3%26mod3%3Dtabledata=02%7C01%7C%7Ca94b3339d41c49346f0a08d70585bc98%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636983944258246055sdata=r7Uweprw7bTTo91BlHD4cPIiKiBgCYC2WOCzeTq8DRY%3Dreserved=0
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for any help.
>> 
>> Donald Raikes
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Re: need help testing a page for accessibility

[Donald Raikes]

Ed,

The first table on the page I hand-coded using basic html. The second
table is an oracleJet table component, so I wouldn't be surprised if
it is acting a little different.

If you want to create a table that I can test with VoiceOver that
would be great.

Thanks

On 7/11/19, Ed Worrell  wrote:
> Hey Donald,
>
> This table is not using  basic html correctly. I can create a table for you
> and see if VoiceOver is still acting weird with it. Even on my computer it’s
> acting a little strange. I think they used very basic html and didn’t use
> the proper row or table header tags. This site is done by Oracle, the second
> table is done with Java Script and it’s meant to look more accessible as JS
> was developed by Oracle.
>
> Ed W.
>
>> On Jul 10, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Richard Turner 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I do not think VoiceOver will speak the column and row headings like
>> Jaws.
>> That has never worked for me, other than creating lots of extra verbiage
>> that ends up being the row and column numbers, but never the headings.
>> Maybe in iOS 13 we could see this, but I'm not holding my breath.
>>
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> Arthur C. Clarke's third law says: "Any sufficiently advanced technology
>> is indistinguishable from magic."
>> (Sent from the magical iPhone SE)
>> www.turner42.com
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 10, 2019, at 3:27 PM, Donald Raikes  wrote:
>>>
>>> Ed,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the suggestions, but yes the verbosity was set to announce
>>> the row and column headings.
>>>
 On 7/10/19, Ed Worrell  wrote:
 Hello,

 Have you gone into the settings app, general, accessibility, VoiceOver,
 verbosity and checked to make sure all of the verbosity levels are set
 to on
 for tables?

 This is where I would start. If I’m not mistaken there should also be a
 rotor option for tables. I don’t utilize this feature but it might only
 be
 to find tables on the page. I honestly don’t remember.

 Ed W.

> On Jul 10, 2019, at 3:43 PM, Donald Raikes 
> wrote:
>
> Hello all you VoiceOver experts:
>
> I am trying to understand how VoiceOver should behave when working
> with html tables.
>
> I know that with JAWS, when I use the table navigation keystrokes that
> JAWS will read the row/column headers plus the coordinate and data
> cell contents.
>
> When I use VoiceOver, all I am getting is the cell coordinates and
> cell contents not the row and column headers.
>
> What I do:
> using the rotor, I jump to the table, then set the rotor to vertical
> navigation. If I flick right or left I get the cell coordinate and its
> contents but no header information. Same thing happens if I flick
> up/down.
>
> Is there something I am doing wrong, or is this a limitation of
> VoiceOver?
>
> Test URL:
> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdonraikes.github.io%2FAccJet%2F%3Froot%3Dmodule3%26mod3%3Dtabledata=02%7C01%7C%7Ca94b3339d41c49346f0a08d70585bc98%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636983944258246055sdata=r7Uweprw7bTTo91BlHD4cPIiKiBgCYC2WOCzeTq8DRY%3Dreserved=0
>
> Thanks in advance for any help.
>
> Donald Raikes
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Re: need help testing a page for accessibility

[Ed Worrell]

Hey Donald,

This table is not using  basic html correctly. I can create a table for you and 
see if VoiceOver is still acting weird with it. Even on my computer it’s acting 
a little strange. I think they used very basic html and didn’t use the proper 
row or table header tags. This site is done by Oracle, the second table is done 
with Java Script and it’s meant to look more accessible as JS was developed by 
Oracle.

Ed W.

> On Jul 10, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I do not think VoiceOver will speak the column and row headings like Jaws.
> That has never worked for me, other than creating lots of extra verbiage that 
> ends up being the row and column numbers, but never the headings.
> Maybe in iOS 13 we could see this, but I'm not holding my breath.
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Arthur C. Clarke's third law says: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is 
> indistinguishable from magic." 
> (Sent from the magical iPhone SE)
> www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2019, at 3:27 PM, Donald Raikes  wrote:
>> 
>> Ed,
>> 
>> Thanks for the suggestions, but yes the verbosity was set to announce
>> the row and column headings.
>> 
>>> On 7/10/19, Ed Worrell  wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> Have you gone into the settings app, general, accessibility, VoiceOver,
>>> verbosity and checked to make sure all of the verbosity levels are set to on
>>> for tables?
>>> 
>>> This is where I would start. If I’m not mistaken there should also be a
>>> rotor option for tables. I don’t utilize this feature but it might only be
>>> to find tables on the page. I honestly don’t remember.
>>> 
>>> Ed W.
>>> 
 On Jul 10, 2019, at 3:43 PM, Donald Raikes  wrote:
 
 Hello all you VoiceOver experts:
 
 I am trying to understand how VoiceOver should behave when working
 with html tables.
 
 I know that with JAWS, when I use the table navigation keystrokes that
 JAWS will read the row/column headers plus the coordinate and data
 cell contents.
 
 When I use VoiceOver, all I am getting is the cell coordinates and
 cell contents not the row and column headers.
 
 What I do:
 using the rotor, I jump to the table, then set the rotor to vertical
 navigation. If I flick right or left I get the cell coordinate and its
 contents but no header information. Same thing happens if I flick
 up/down.
 
 Is there something I am doing wrong, or is this a limitation of
 VoiceOver?
 
 Test URL:
 https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdonraikes.github.io%2FAccJet%2F%3Froot%3Dmodule3%26mod3%3Dtabledata=02%7C01%7C%7Ca94b3339d41c49346f0a08d70585bc98%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636983944258246055sdata=r7Uweprw7bTTo91BlHD4cPIiKiBgCYC2WOCzeTq8DRY%3Dreserved=0
 
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Re: need help testing a page for accessibility

[Richard Turner]

I do not think VoiceOver will speak the column and row headings like Jaws.
That has never worked for me, other than creating lots of extra verbiage that 
ends up being the row and column numbers, but never the headings.
Maybe in iOS 13 we could see this, but I'm not holding my breath.


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> On Jul 10, 2019, at 3:27 PM, Donald Raikes  wrote:
> 
> Ed,
> 
> Thanks for the suggestions, but yes the verbosity was set to announce
> the row and column headings.
> 
>> On 7/10/19, Ed Worrell  wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Have you gone into the settings app, general, accessibility, VoiceOver,
>> verbosity and checked to make sure all of the verbosity levels are set to on
>> for tables?
>> 
>> This is where I would start. If I’m not mistaken there should also be a
>> rotor option for tables. I don’t utilize this feature but it might only be
>> to find tables on the page. I honestly don’t remember.
>> 
>> Ed W.
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2019, at 3:43 PM, Donald Raikes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all you VoiceOver experts:
>>> 
>>> I am trying to understand how VoiceOver should behave when working
>>> with html tables.
>>> 
>>> I know that with JAWS, when I use the table navigation keystrokes that
>>> JAWS will read the row/column headers plus the coordinate and data
>>> cell contents.
>>> 
>>> When I use VoiceOver, all I am getting is the cell coordinates and
>>> cell contents not the row and column headers.
>>> 
>>> What I do:
>>> using the rotor, I jump to the table, then set the rotor to vertical
>>> navigation. If I flick right or left I get the cell coordinate and its
>>> contents but no header information. Same thing happens if I flick
>>> up/down.
>>> 
>>> Is there something I am doing wrong, or is this a limitation of
>>> VoiceOver?
>>> 
>>> Test URL:
>>> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdonraikes.github.io%2FAccJet%2F%3Froot%3Dmodule3%26mod3%3Dtabledata=02%7C01%7C%7Ca94b3339d41c49346f0a08d70585bc98%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636983944258246055sdata=r7Uweprw7bTTo91BlHD4cPIiKiBgCYC2WOCzeTq8DRY%3Dreserved=0
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance for any help.
>>> 
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Re: need help testing a page for accessibility

[Donald Raikes]

Ed,

Thanks for the suggestions, but yes the verbosity was set to announce
the row and column headings.

On 7/10/19, Ed Worrell  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Have you gone into the settings app, general, accessibility, VoiceOver,
> verbosity and checked to make sure all of the verbosity levels are set to on
> for tables?
>
> This is where I would start. If I’m not mistaken there should also be a
> rotor option for tables. I don’t utilize this feature but it might only be
> to find tables on the page. I honestly don’t remember.
>
> Ed W.
>
>> On Jul 10, 2019, at 3:43 PM, Donald Raikes  wrote:
>>
>> Hello all you VoiceOver experts:
>>
>> I am trying to understand how VoiceOver should behave when working
>> with html tables.
>>
>> I know that with JAWS, when I use the table navigation keystrokes that
>> JAWS will read the row/column headers plus the coordinate and data
>> cell contents.
>>
>> When I use VoiceOver, all I am getting is the cell coordinates and
>> cell contents not the row and column headers.
>>
>> What I do:
>> using the rotor, I jump to the table, then set the rotor to vertical
>> navigation. If I flick right or left I get the cell coordinate and its
>> contents but no header information. Same thing happens if I flick
>> up/down.
>>
>> Is there something I am doing wrong, or is this a limitation of
>> VoiceOver?
>>
>> Test URL:
>> https://donraikes.github.io/AccJet/?root=module3=table
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any help.
>>
>> Donald Raikes
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Re: need help testing a page for accessibility

[Ed Worrell]

Hello,

Have you gone into the settings app, general, accessibility, VoiceOver, 
verbosity and checked to make sure all of the verbosity levels are set to on 
for tables?

This is where I would start. If I’m not mistaken there should also be a rotor 
option for tables. I don’t utilize this feature but it might only be to find 
tables on the page. I honestly don’t remember.

Ed W.

> On Jul 10, 2019, at 3:43 PM, Donald Raikes  wrote:
> 
> Hello all you VoiceOver experts:
> 
> I am trying to understand how VoiceOver should behave when working
> with html tables.
> 
> I know that with JAWS, when I use the table navigation keystrokes that
> JAWS will read the row/column headers plus the coordinate and data
> cell contents.
> 
> When I use VoiceOver, all I am getting is the cell coordinates and
> cell contents not the row and column headers.
> 
> What I do:
> using the rotor, I jump to the table, then set the rotor to vertical
> navigation. If I flick right or left I get the cell coordinate and its
> contents but no header information. Same thing happens if I flick
> up/down.
> 
> Is there something I am doing wrong, or is this a limitation of VoiceOver?
> 
> Test URL:
> https://donraikes.github.io/AccJet/?root=module3=table
> 
> Thanks in advance for any help.
> 
> Donald Raikes
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need help testing a page for accessibility

[Donald Raikes]

Hello all you VoiceOver experts:

I am trying to understand how VoiceOver should behave when working
with html tables.

I know that with JAWS, when I use the table navigation keystrokes that
JAWS will read the row/column headers plus the coordinate and data
cell contents.

When I use VoiceOver, all I am getting is the cell coordinates and
cell contents not the row and column headers.

What I do:
using the rotor, I jump to the table, then set the rotor to vertical
navigation. If I flick right or left I get the cell coordinate and its
contents but no header information. Same thing happens if I flick
up/down.

Is there something I am doing wrong, or is this a limitation of VoiceOver?

Test URL:
https://donraikes.github.io/AccJet/?root=module3=table

Thanks in advance for any help.

Donald Raikes

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Re: testing again

[Daniel McGee]

Confirming here as well.

> On 7 Aug 2018, at 21:36, mich verrier  wrote:
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> You are getting through just fine. From Mich.
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RE: testing again

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You are getting through just fine. From Mich.

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can any one please email me let me know if my messages are reaching the list?

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testing again

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Invitation to closed testing round for accessible Trello mac app

[Yuma Decaux]

Hi everyone,

As I am one of the directors of my startup, I am required to fulfill daily 
organisational tasks, and have an overview of the entire processes our business 
is going through. This includes a variety of sections such as hardware, 
software, finances, coms, the list goes on. ALl this needs to be centrally 
visible and manageable without going through undreds of text files or dropbox 
folders.

I had looked for various efficient organisational apps such as Jira, Assana, 
trello and MS project but none really have a smooth, fast way of doing things. 
As they are heavily visual, it is hard to get a proper synthesis of what is 
going on, who added what where and what to search for.

So I wrote a wrapper for Trello in swift, and now have a complete suite with an 
interface, currently produced for the mac but that can easily be ported to IOS.

I would like to make a closed invitation for those of you who code in swift to 
test the app, and it’s efficacy in your daily tasks.

So far, it has everything from boards, lists, cards, checklists, checkItems, 
comments, attachments, labels, actions, and works nicely with webhooks through 
apple’s remote push notification service. I’ve also written a backend PHP set 
to manage individual users, tokens and push the right messages to the right 
devices. There are stereo sound cues to alert the user of what is going on, as 
well as new actions being performed by others.

I am currently trying to finish the initial OAuth process as well as getting a 
proper calendar up with NSCollectionView for deadlines so that non coders can 
use this for their everyday task management.

if you have an interest in getting more efficient with your daily organisation 
and have registered a trello account, shoot me an email with your github 
username and I will invite you to the private repo to see if it can be rendered 
more efficient than it currently is.

So far I have a few friends, also blind who are using it, and they are really 
liking the fast access to every object in your team and boards. one is using it 
now for his accelerator program at uni, and the other is using it for his wly 
those ork as a clinical psychologist. A few more blind professionals are also 
using it in both accessibility and education.

I think that we as blind users should have the same level of access to every 
service out there, especially to enhance our productivity. To do this, the 
paradigm has to be seen from the perspective of a screen reader user. Not a 
visual user, and this is why I wrote VITrello.

Have a great week y’all 


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RE: Results of Testing Nearby Explorer in a Vehicle, as Compared to Seeing Eye GPS

[M. Taylor]

Thanks for letting us know, Ed.

I have forwarded your comments to the Nearby Explorer Beta email list.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ed Worrell
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 11:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Results of Testing Nearby Explorer in a Vehicle, as Compared to 
Seeing Eye GPS

Hey Mark,

I can confirm that I have the same results in my testing of the apps side by 
side. The NerBy app has a definite issue with telling accurate distances. The 
Seeing Eye GPS is always on target.

Thanks,

Ed
> On Aug 24, 2016, at 12:05 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
> <kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hi Chip,
> 
> Given the drag on battery when using GPS, how much do you think having maps 
> onboard, as compared to using GoogleMaps or AppleMaps, actually saves?
> 
> Thanks, Keith
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Chip Orange
> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 12:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Results of Testing Nearby Explorer in a Vehicle, as 
> Compared to Seeing Eye GPS
> 
> Thank you Mark for your analysis and testing results.
> 
> I wanted to offer one correction however: GPS apps in no way have to take 
> into consideration their distance from the satellites.  The underlying GPS 
> hardware obviously does, but it simply reports the lat and lon to the app, 
> which then does what it does, but has no interaction with distance from any 
> satellites (I have written a GPS app).  It is also offered an opinion from 
> the GPS hardware as to the likelyhood of the reported position being in 
> error, and an estimate of how large the error might be, but no distance is 
> involved except that the app can then take the estimated error probability, 
> and report it to the user as an error distance (but this is something known 
> to be rather inaccurate).
> 
> All GPS apps designed to be used while in motion need to take into 
> consideration the current speed and direction of the motion, along with their 
> own estimation of how long it will take them to calculate and report a map 
> position (as a car moving at speed can cover quite a distance since the last 
> reported position from the GPS hardware), and it sounds very much like Nearby 
> GPS is not doing this.  Given that use of GPS hardware can drain the battery 
> significantly, most apps also don't constantly query the hardware as to the 
> current position, so more than ever the app needs to compensate for time 
> passed since the last report (along with direction and speed).
> 
> I recall this was also a reported problem for Seeing Eye GPS many years ago 
> (long before it was available on smart phones), and so it looks like it's a 
> problem they've conquored, and so likely will be one APH can conquor.
> 
> Thanks again for the very useful testing,
> 
> Chip
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 7:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Results of Testing Nearby Explorer in a Vehicle, as Compared 
> to Seeing Eye GPS
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I sent the following to A.P.H. in response to a test request:
> 
> Mark
> 
> Post:
> Hello Rob, et al,
> 
> Okay, I ran a couple of tests with Nearby Explorer, in a vehicle:
> 
> Note 1:
> I have enough vision to be able to see the physical intersections as I 
> approach them, in a vehicle, and as they pass.
> 
> Note 2:
> The average speed of the car I was riding in did not exceed 50 miles 
> per hour and averaged between 35 to 45 miles per hour.
> 
> Note 3:
> I ran test with (1) only the approach set to be automatically 
> announced and
> (2) only the street name set to be automatically announced.  In either 
> case, the results were the same.
> 
> Note 4:
> There was absolutely no cloud cover in my location today.  It was a 
> beautifully sunny day.  Also, as I live near the beach, there are/were 
> no structures blocking my view of the sky.
> 
> Note 5:
> While I ran Nearby Explorer on my 128GB iPhone 6 Plus, I 
> simultaneously ran Seeing Eye GPS XT on my 64GB iPhone 5 S, for real-time 
> comparison.
> 
> Note 6:
> I ran both apps with the screen turned off.
> 
> Note 7:
> Seeing Eye consistently reported greater GPS accuracy than did Nearby 
> Explorer.
> 
> Note 8:
> Please be aware that I am only concerned with and, therefore tested 
> for intersection announcements while free walking.  This is to say, 
> rarely, if ever, do I use any GPS routing so cannot comment

Re: Results of Testing Nearby Explorer in a Vehicle, as Compared to Seeing Eye GPS

[Andy Baracco]

But the true implication of this depends on where you are. Here in los 
Angeles, the environment is pretty much built over, so the street map does 
not change. I have a working Trekker Maestro, and the maps have not been 
updated in years, but are still accurate. What changes, of course, are the 
POIs.


Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Chip Orange

Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 1:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Results of Testing Nearby Explorer in a Vehicle, as Compared to 
Seeing Eye GPS


Hi Keith,

I believe it  actually makes very little difference.  Either way, you must 
first use GPS to get your latitude and longitude (I believe this is the big 
drain on power), and then with this info, you lookup your street 
address/location in your map data by either querying via the internet, or 
checking your onboard map database.


It does use additional power to make an internet query for your map data, 
and there will be situations where you are out of range of your cell 
connection, so there are benefits to having the map data onboard; but to 
balance the argument, the internet query maps are usually updated 
constantly, while the onboard maps take so long to download that they are 
updated rather seldom (I don't know how APH is handling this), so are more 
likely to be out of date.


Hth,

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.

Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 2:05 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com'
Subject: RE: Results of Testing Nearby Explorer in a Vehicle, as Compared to 
Seeing Eye GPS


Hi Chip,

Given the drag on battery when using GPS, how much do you think having maps 
onboard, as compared to using GoogleMaps or AppleMaps, actually saves?


Thanks, Keith

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Chip Orange

Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 12:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Results of Testing Nearby Explorer in a Vehicle, as Compared to 
Seeing Eye GPS


Thank you Mark for your analysis and testing results.

I wanted to offer one correction however: GPS apps in no way have to take 
into consideration their distance from the satellites.  The underlying GPS 
hardware obviously does, but it simply reports the lat and lon to the app, 
which then does what it does, but has no interaction with distance from any 
satellites (I have written a GPS app).  It is also offered an opinion from 
the GPS hardware as to the likelyhood of the reported position being in 
error, and an estimate of how large the error might be, but no distance is 
involved except that the app can then take the estimated error probability, 
and report it to the user as an error distance (but this is something known 
to be rather inaccurate).


All GPS apps designed to be used while in motion need to take into 
consideration the current speed and direction of the motion, along with 
their own estimation of how long it will take them to calculate and report a 
map position (as a car moving at speed can cover quite a distance since the 
last reported position from the GPS hardware), and it sounds very much like 
Nearby GPS is not doing this.  Given that use of GPS hardware can drain the 
battery significantly, most apps also don't constantly query the hardware as 
to the current position, so more than ever the app needs to compensate for 
time passed since the last report (along with direction and speed).


I recall this was also a reported problem for Seeing Eye GPS many years ago 
(long before it was available on smart phones), and so it looks like it's a 
problem they've conquored, and so likely will be one APH can conquor.


Thanks again for the very useful testing,

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of M. Taylor

Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 7:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Results of Testing Nearby Explorer in a Vehicle, as Compared to 
Seeing Eye GPS


Hello All,

I sent the following to A.P.H. in response to a test request:

Mark

Post:
Hello Rob, et al,

Okay, I ran a couple of tests with Nearby Explorer, in a vehicle:

Note 1:
I have enough vision to be able to see the physical intersections as I
approach them, in a vehicle, and as they pass.

Note 2:
The average speed of the car I was riding in did not exceed 50 miles per
hour and averaged between 35 to 45 miles per hour.

Note 3:
I ran test with (1) only the approach set to be automatically announced and
(2) only the street name set to be automatically announced.  In either case,
the results were the same.

Note 4:
There was absolutely no cloud cover in my location today.  It was a
beautifully sunny day.  Also, as I live near the beach, there are/were no
structures blocking my view of the sky.

Note 5:
While I ran Nearby Explorer on my 128GB iPhone 6 Plus, I simultaneously ran

RE: Results of Testing Nearby Explorer in a Vehicle, as Compared to Seeing Eye GPS

[Chip Orange]

Hi Keith,

I believe it  actually makes very little difference.  Either way, you must 
first use GPS to get your latitude and longitude (I believe this is the big 
drain on power), and then with this info, you lookup your street 
address/location in your map data by either querying via the internet, or 
checking your onboard map database.

It does use additional power to make an internet query for your map data, and 
there will be situations where you are out of range of your cell connection, so 
there are benefits to having the map data onboard; but to balance the argument, 
the internet query maps are usually updated constantly, while the onboard maps 
take so long to download that they are updated rather seldom (I don't know how 
APH is handling this), so are more likely to be out of date.  

Hth,

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 2:05 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com'
Subject: RE: Results of Testing Nearby Explorer in a Vehicle, as Compared to 
Seeing Eye GPS

Hi Chip,

Given the drag on battery when using GPS, how much do you think having maps 
onboard, as compared to using GoogleMaps or AppleMaps, actually saves?

Thanks, Keith

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 12:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Results of Testing Nearby Explorer in a Vehicle, as Compared to 
Seeing Eye GPS

Thank you Mark for your analysis and testing results.

I wanted to offer one correction however: GPS apps in no way have to take into 
consideration their distance from the satellites.  The underlying GPS hardware 
obviously does, but it simply reports the lat and lon to the app, which then 
does what it does, but has no interaction with distance from any satellites (I 
have written a GPS app).  It is also offered an opinion from the GPS hardware 
as to the likelyhood of the reported position being in error, and an estimate 
of how large the error might be, but no distance is involved except that the 
app can then take the estimated error probability, and report it to the user as 
an error distance (but this is something known to be rather inaccurate).

All GPS apps designed to be used while in motion need to take into 
consideration the current speed and direction of the motion, along with their 
own estimation of how long it will take them to calculate and report a map 
position (as a car moving at speed can cover quite a distance since the last 
reported position from the GPS hardware), and it sounds very much like Nearby 
GPS is not doing this.  Given that use of GPS hardware can drain the battery 
significantly, most apps also don't constantly query the hardware as to the 
current position, so more than ever the app needs to compensate for time passed 
since the last report (along with direction and speed).

I recall this was also a reported problem for Seeing Eye GPS many years ago 
(long before it was available on smart phones), and so it looks like it's a 
problem they've conquored, and so likely will be one APH can conquor.

Thanks again for the very useful testing,

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 7:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Results of Testing Nearby Explorer in a Vehicle, as Compared to Seeing 
Eye GPS

Hello All, 

I sent the following to A.P.H. in response to a test request:

Mark

Post:
Hello Rob, et al,

Okay, I ran a couple of tests with Nearby Explorer, in a vehicle:

Note 1:
I have enough vision to be able to see the physical intersections as I
approach them, in a vehicle, and as they pass.

Note 2:
The average speed of the car I was riding in did not exceed 50 miles per
hour and averaged between 35 to 45 miles per hour.

Note 3:
I ran test with (1) only the approach set to be automatically announced and
(2) only the street name set to be automatically announced.  In either case,
the results were the same.

Note 4:
There was absolutely no cloud cover in my location today.  It was a
beautifully sunny day.  Also, as I live near the beach, there are/were no
structures blocking my view of the sky.

Note 5:
While I ran Nearby Explorer on my 128GB iPhone 6 Plus, I simultaneously ran
Seeing Eye GPS XT on my 64GB iPhone 5 S, for real-time comparison.  

Note 6:
I ran both apps with the screen turned off.

Note 7:
Seeing Eye consistently reported greater GPS accuracy than did Nearby
Explorer.

Note 8:
Please be aware that I am only concerned with and, therefore tested for
intersection announcements while free walking.  This is to say, rarely, if
ever, do I use any GPS routing so cannot comment as to the accuracy of that
feature.  To me, the most valuable aspect of a GPS solution is the ability
to simply launch

Re: Results of Testing Nearby Explorer in a Vehicle, as Compared to Seeing Eye GPS

[Ed Worrell]

Hey Mark,

I can confirm that I have the same results in my testing of the apps side by 
side. The NerBy app has a definite issue with telling accurate distances. The 
Seeing Eye GPS is always on target.

Thanks,

Ed
> On Aug 24, 2016, at 12:05 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
> <kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hi Chip,
> 
> Given the drag on battery when using GPS, how much do you think having maps 
> onboard, as compared to using GoogleMaps or AppleMaps, actually saves?
> 
> Thanks, Keith
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Chip Orange
> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 12:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Results of Testing Nearby Explorer in a Vehicle, as Compared to 
> Seeing Eye GPS
> 
> Thank you Mark for your analysis and testing results.
> 
> I wanted to offer one correction however: GPS apps in no way have to take 
> into consideration their distance from the satellites.  The underlying GPS 
> hardware obviously does, but it simply reports the lat and lon to the app, 
> which then does what it does, but has no interaction with distance from any 
> satellites (I have written a GPS app).  It is also offered an opinion from 
> the GPS hardware as to the likelyhood of the reported position being in 
> error, and an estimate of how large the error might be, but no distance is 
> involved except that the app can then take the estimated error probability, 
> and report it to the user as an error distance (but this is something known 
> to be rather inaccurate).
> 
> All GPS apps designed to be used while in motion need to take into 
> consideration the current speed and direction of the motion, along with their 
> own estimation of how long it will take them to calculate and report a map 
> position (as a car moving at speed can cover quite a distance since the last 
> reported position from the GPS hardware), and it sounds very much like Nearby 
> GPS is not doing this.  Given that use of GPS hardware can drain the battery 
> significantly, most apps also don't constantly query the hardware as to the 
> current position, so more than ever the app needs to compensate for time 
> passed since the last report (along with direction and speed).
> 
> I recall this was also a reported problem for Seeing Eye GPS many years ago 
> (long before it was available on smart phones), and so it looks like it's a 
> problem they've conquored, and so likely will be one APH can conquor.
> 
> Thanks again for the very useful testing,
> 
> Chip
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> M. Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 7:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Results of Testing Nearby Explorer in a Vehicle, as Compared to 
> Seeing Eye GPS
> 
> Hello All, 
> 
> I sent the following to A.P.H. in response to a test request:
> 
> Mark
> 
> Post:
> Hello Rob, et al,
> 
> Okay, I ran a couple of tests with Nearby Explorer, in a vehicle:
> 
> Note 1:
> I have enough vision to be able to see the physical intersections as I
> approach them, in a vehicle, and as they pass.
> 
> Note 2:
> The average speed of the car I was riding in did not exceed 50 miles per
> hour and averaged between 35 to 45 miles per hour.
> 
> Note 3:
> I ran test with (1) only the approach set to be automatically announced and
> (2) only the street name set to be automatically announced.  In either case,
> the results were the same.
> 
> Note 4:
> There was absolutely no cloud cover in my location today.  It was a
> beautifully sunny day.  Also, as I live near the beach, there are/were no
> structures blocking my view of the sky.
> 
> Note 5:
> While I ran Nearby Explorer on my 128GB iPhone 6 Plus, I simultaneously ran
> Seeing Eye GPS XT on my 64GB iPhone 5 S, for real-time comparison.  
> 
> Note 6:
> I ran both apps with the screen turned off.
> 
> Note 7:
> Seeing Eye consistently reported greater GPS accuracy than did Nearby
> Explorer.
> 
> Note 8:
> Please be aware that I am only concerned with and, therefore tested for
> intersection announcements while free walking.  This is to say, rarely, if
> ever, do I use any GPS routing so cannot comment as to the accuracy of that
> feature.  To me, the most valuable aspect of a GPS solution is the ability
> to simply launch the app and have cross-street/intersections automatically
> be announced.  
> 
> Note 9:
> Okay, having said all of this, even on an older device, Seeing Eye GPS was
> remarkably more accurate than Nearby Explorer in the area of free-walking,
> auto-intersect

RE: Results of Testing Nearby Explorer in a Vehicle, as Compared to Seeing Eye GPS

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

Hi Chip,

Given the drag on battery when using GPS, how much do you think having maps 
onboard, as compared to using GoogleMaps or AppleMaps, actually saves?

Thanks, Keith

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 12:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Results of Testing Nearby Explorer in a Vehicle, as Compared to 
Seeing Eye GPS

Thank you Mark for your analysis and testing results.

I wanted to offer one correction however: GPS apps in no way have to take into 
consideration their distance from the satellites.  The underlying GPS hardware 
obviously does, but it simply reports the lat and lon to the app, which then 
does what it does, but has no interaction with distance from any satellites (I 
have written a GPS app).  It is also offered an opinion from the GPS hardware 
as to the likelyhood of the reported position being in error, and an estimate 
of how large the error might be, but no distance is involved except that the 
app can then take the estimated error probability, and report it to the user as 
an error distance (but this is something known to be rather inaccurate).

All GPS apps designed to be used while in motion need to take into 
consideration the current speed and direction of the motion, along with their 
own estimation of how long it will take them to calculate and report a map 
position (as a car moving at speed can cover quite a distance since the last 
reported position from the GPS hardware), and it sounds very much like Nearby 
GPS is not doing this.  Given that use of GPS hardware can drain the battery 
significantly, most apps also don't constantly query the hardware as to the 
current position, so more than ever the app needs to compensate for time passed 
since the last report (along with direction and speed).

I recall this was also a reported problem for Seeing Eye GPS many years ago 
(long before it was available on smart phones), and so it looks like it's a 
problem they've conquored, and so likely will be one APH can conquor.

Thanks again for the very useful testing,

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 7:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Results of Testing Nearby Explorer in a Vehicle, as Compared to Seeing 
Eye GPS

Hello All, 

I sent the following to A.P.H. in response to a test request:

Mark

Post:
Hello Rob, et al,

Okay, I ran a couple of tests with Nearby Explorer, in a vehicle:

Note 1:
I have enough vision to be able to see the physical intersections as I
approach them, in a vehicle, and as they pass.

Note 2:
The average speed of the car I was riding in did not exceed 50 miles per
hour and averaged between 35 to 45 miles per hour.

Note 3:
I ran test with (1) only the approach set to be automatically announced and
(2) only the street name set to be automatically announced.  In either case,
the results were the same.

Note 4:
There was absolutely no cloud cover in my location today.  It was a
beautifully sunny day.  Also, as I live near the beach, there are/were no
structures blocking my view of the sky.

Note 5:
While I ran Nearby Explorer on my 128GB iPhone 6 Plus, I simultaneously ran
Seeing Eye GPS XT on my 64GB iPhone 5 S, for real-time comparison.  

Note 6:
I ran both apps with the screen turned off.

Note 7:
Seeing Eye consistently reported greater GPS accuracy than did Nearby
Explorer.

Note 8:
Please be aware that I am only concerned with and, therefore tested for
intersection announcements while free walking.  This is to say, rarely, if
ever, do I use any GPS routing so cannot comment as to the accuracy of that
feature.  To me, the most valuable aspect of a GPS solution is the ability
to simply launch the app and have cross-street/intersections automatically
be announced.  

Note 9:
Okay, having said all of this, even on an older device, Seeing Eye GPS was
remarkably more accurate than Nearby Explorer in the area of free-walking,
auto-intersection announcements.

Comments:
Now that I've got all of that out of the way, I can tell you that Nearby
Explorer appears to be off by as little as 50 yards to as much as 200 yards
at virtually every intersection.  This is to say, as we approached the
cross-walk, slowing down in the approach for a red light, Seeing Eye would
perfectly announce the intersection.  Nearby Explorer, however, if it
announced the cross street at all, would consistently report it as being as
little as 50 yards ahead; more often than not, however, it would report the
intersection as being 250 or so yards ahead.  I was really surprised to see
intersections being announced only after we had passed through them by as
little as 100 feet or more.

At speed, Nearby Explorer consistently failed to announce intersections,
altogether.  

It almost seemed as though the app was/is not properly

RE: Results of Testing Nearby Explorer in a Vehicle, as Compared to Seeing Eye GPS

[Chip Orange]

Thank you Mark for your analysis and testing results.

I wanted to offer one correction however: GPS apps in no way have to take into 
consideration their distance from the satellites.  The underlying GPS hardware 
obviously does, but it simply reports the lat and lon to the app, which then 
does what it does, but has no interaction with distance from any satellites (I 
have written a GPS app).  It is also offered an opinion from the GPS hardware 
as to the likelyhood of the reported position being in error, and an estimate 
of how large the error might be, but no distance is involved except that the 
app can then take the estimated error probability, and report it to the user as 
an error distance (but this is something known to be rather inaccurate).

All GPS apps designed to be used while in motion need to take into 
consideration the current speed and direction of the motion, along with their 
own estimation of how long it will take them to calculate and report a map 
position (as a car moving at speed can cover quite a distance since the last 
reported position from the GPS hardware), and it sounds very much like Nearby 
GPS is not doing this.  Given that use of GPS hardware can drain the battery 
significantly, most apps also don't constantly query the hardware as to the 
current position, so more than ever the app needs to compensate for time passed 
since the last report (along with direction and speed).

I recall this was also a reported problem for Seeing Eye GPS many years ago 
(long before it was available on smart phones), and so it looks like it's a 
problem they've conquored, and so likely will be one APH can conquor.

Thanks again for the very useful testing,

Chip


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 7:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Results of Testing Nearby Explorer in a Vehicle, as Compared to Seeing 
Eye GPS

Hello All, 

I sent the following to A.P.H. in response to a test request:

Mark

Post:
Hello Rob, et al,

Okay, I ran a couple of tests with Nearby Explorer, in a vehicle:

Note 1:
I have enough vision to be able to see the physical intersections as I
approach them, in a vehicle, and as they pass.

Note 2:
The average speed of the car I was riding in did not exceed 50 miles per
hour and averaged between 35 to 45 miles per hour.

Note 3:
I ran test with (1) only the approach set to be automatically announced and
(2) only the street name set to be automatically announced.  In either case,
the results were the same.

Note 4:
There was absolutely no cloud cover in my location today.  It was a
beautifully sunny day.  Also, as I live near the beach, there are/were no
structures blocking my view of the sky.

Note 5:
While I ran Nearby Explorer on my 128GB iPhone 6 Plus, I simultaneously ran
Seeing Eye GPS XT on my 64GB iPhone 5 S, for real-time comparison.  

Note 6:
I ran both apps with the screen turned off.

Note 7:
Seeing Eye consistently reported greater GPS accuracy than did Nearby
Explorer.

Note 8:
Please be aware that I am only concerned with and, therefore tested for
intersection announcements while free walking.  This is to say, rarely, if
ever, do I use any GPS routing so cannot comment as to the accuracy of that
feature.  To me, the most valuable aspect of a GPS solution is the ability
to simply launch the app and have cross-street/intersections automatically
be announced.  

Note 9:
Okay, having said all of this, even on an older device, Seeing Eye GPS was
remarkably more accurate than Nearby Explorer in the area of free-walking,
auto-intersection announcements.

Comments:
Now that I've got all of that out of the way, I can tell you that Nearby
Explorer appears to be off by as little as 50 yards to as much as 200 yards
at virtually every intersection.  This is to say, as we approached the
cross-walk, slowing down in the approach for a red light, Seeing Eye would
perfectly announce the intersection.  Nearby Explorer, however, if it
announced the cross street at all, would consistently report it as being as
little as 50 yards ahead; more often than not, however, it would report the
intersection as being 250 or so yards ahead.  I was really surprised to see
intersections being announced only after we had passed through them by as
little as 100 feet or more.

At speed, Nearby Explorer consistently failed to announce intersections,
altogether.  

It almost seemed as though the app was/is not properly calibrated for being
used at sea level.  This is the only thing I can fathom as to why its
performance was so poor.  I'm not certain about the algorithm but I do know
that GPS apps must take into account their distance from the satellite in
order to compensate for the time delay, and subsequent calculations. 

It may also be a problem that its radius is simply set too far ahead.
Seeing Eye and, if memory serves, Mobile Geo would allow for distances as
close

RE: Results of Testing Nearby Explorer in a Vehicle, as Compared to Seeing Eye GPS

[Rick Alfaro]

Hi Mark. Those are some very interesting observations and so completely 
different from what I heard on Mike's demo. I'd be really interested in knowing 
why the difference is so huge. I haven't purchased the app but if I had and 
experienced such terrible accuracy, I'd be asking for a refund. Hopefully, your 
notes will help them in finding the issues shown in your situation. Thanks for 
sharing the notes.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 7:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Results of Testing Nearby Explorer in a Vehicle, as Compared to Seeing 
Eye GPS

Hello All, 

I sent the following to A.P.H. in response to a test request:

Mark

Post:
Hello Rob, et al,

Okay, I ran a couple of tests with Nearby Explorer, in a vehicle:

Note 1:
I have enough vision to be able to see the physical intersections as I
approach them, in a vehicle, and as they pass.

Note 2:
The average speed of the car I was riding in did not exceed 50 miles per
hour and averaged between 35 to 45 miles per hour.

Note 3:
I ran test with (1) only the approach set to be automatically announced and
(2) only the street name set to be automatically announced.  In either case,
the results were the same.

Note 4:
There was absolutely no cloud cover in my location today.  It was a
beautifully sunny day.  Also, as I live near the beach, there are/were no
structures blocking my view of the sky.

Note 5:
While I ran Nearby Explorer on my 128GB iPhone 6 Plus, I simultaneously ran
Seeing Eye GPS XT on my 64GB iPhone 5 S, for real-time comparison.  

Note 6:
I ran both apps with the screen turned off.

Note 7:
Seeing Eye consistently reported greater GPS accuracy than did Nearby
Explorer.

Note 8:
Please be aware that I am only concerned with and, therefore tested for
intersection announcements while free walking.  This is to say, rarely, if
ever, do I use any GPS routing so cannot comment as to the accuracy of that
feature.  To me, the most valuable aspect of a GPS solution is the ability
to simply launch the app and have cross-street/intersections automatically
be announced.  

Note 9:
Okay, having said all of this, even on an older device, Seeing Eye GPS was
remarkably more accurate than Nearby Explorer in the area of free-walking,
auto-intersection announcements.

Comments:
Now that I've got all of that out of the way, I can tell you that Nearby
Explorer appears to be off by as little as 50 yards to as much as 200 yards
at virtually every intersection.  This is to say, as we approached the
cross-walk, slowing down in the approach for a red light, Seeing Eye would
perfectly announce the intersection.  Nearby Explorer, however, if it
announced the cross street at all, would consistently report it as being as
little as 50 yards ahead; more often than not, however, it would report the
intersection as being 250 or so yards ahead.  I was really surprised to see
intersections being announced only after we had passed through them by as
little as 100 feet or more.

At speed, Nearby Explorer consistently failed to announce intersections,
altogether.  

It almost seemed as though the app was/is not properly calibrated for being
used at sea level.  This is the only thing I can fathom as to why its
performance was so poor.  I'm not certain about the algorithm but I do know
that GPS apps must take into account their distance from the satellite in
order to compensate for the time delay, and subsequent calculations. 

It may also be a problem that its radius is simply set too far ahead.
Seeing Eye and, if memory serves, Mobile Geo would allow for distances as
close as 15 feet and approach auto-announcements as close as 50 feet.  

I really do find that the extreme distances that Nearby Explorer offer are
of virtually no used to me as either a pedestrian or rider.  To say that
something is 300 yards ahead, has no real meaning to me but to say that
something is 20 feet ahead is something I can definitely relate to.

Thank you for considering my comments.

Mark

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Results of Testing Nearby Explorer in a Vehicle, as Compared to Seeing Eye GPS

[M. Taylor]

Hello All, 

I sent the following to A.P.H. in response to a test request:

Mark

Post:
Hello Rob, et al,

Okay, I ran a couple of tests with Nearby Explorer, in a vehicle:

Note 1:
I have enough vision to be able to see the physical intersections as I
approach them, in a vehicle, and as they pass.

Note 2:
The average speed of the car I was riding in did not exceed 50 miles per
hour and averaged between 35 to 45 miles per hour.

Note 3:
I ran test with (1) only the approach set to be automatically announced and
(2) only the street name set to be automatically announced.  In either case,
the results were the same.

Note 4:
There was absolutely no cloud cover in my location today.  It was a
beautifully sunny day.  Also, as I live near the beach, there are/were no
structures blocking my view of the sky.

Note 5:
While I ran Nearby Explorer on my 128GB iPhone 6 Plus, I simultaneously ran
Seeing Eye GPS XT on my 64GB iPhone 5 S, for real-time comparison.  

Note 6:
I ran both apps with the screen turned off.

Note 7:
Seeing Eye consistently reported greater GPS accuracy than did Nearby
Explorer.

Note 8:
Please be aware that I am only concerned with and, therefore tested for
intersection announcements while free walking.  This is to say, rarely, if
ever, do I use any GPS routing so cannot comment as to the accuracy of that
feature.  To me, the most valuable aspect of a GPS solution is the ability
to simply launch the app and have cross-street/intersections automatically
be announced.  

Note 9:
Okay, having said all of this, even on an older device, Seeing Eye GPS was
remarkably more accurate than Nearby Explorer in the area of free-walking,
auto-intersection announcements.

Comments:
Now that I've got all of that out of the way, I can tell you that Nearby
Explorer appears to be off by as little as 50 yards to as much as 200 yards
at virtually every intersection.  This is to say, as we approached the
cross-walk, slowing down in the approach for a red light, Seeing Eye would
perfectly announce the intersection.  Nearby Explorer, however, if it
announced the cross street at all, would consistently report it as being as
little as 50 yards ahead; more often than not, however, it would report the
intersection as being 250 or so yards ahead.  I was really surprised to see
intersections being announced only after we had passed through them by as
little as 100 feet or more.

At speed, Nearby Explorer consistently failed to announce intersections,
altogether.  

It almost seemed as though the app was/is not properly calibrated for being
used at sea level.  This is the only thing I can fathom as to why its
performance was so poor.  I'm not certain about the algorithm but I do know
that GPS apps must take into account their distance from the satellite in
order to compensate for the time delay, and subsequent calculations. 

It may also be a problem that its radius is simply set too far ahead.
Seeing Eye and, if memory serves, Mobile Geo would allow for distances as
close as 15 feet and approach auto-announcements as close as 50 feet.  

I really do find that the extreme distances that Nearby Explorer offer are
of virtually no used to me as either a pedestrian or rider.  To say that
something is 300 yards ahead, has no real meaning to me but to say that
something is 20 feet ahead is something I can definitely relate to.

Thank you for considering my comments.

Mark

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