Re: iPhone: Some Perspective
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that. I was referring to the statement Lately there has been some frustration expressed on this list about accessibility and ease of use of Apple products. which was in the post that started this thread. On 22/12/12 00:34, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hmm, I don't think I said people have been frustrated in the iPhones accessibility or ease of use. I just said issues that are causing them frustration. I was speaking in general terms. And I definitely agree people should make Apple aware of bugs, and overall dissatisfaction. Hence the information to contact them in my post. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Dec 21, 2012, at 11:28 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't seen any posts on this list expressing a frustration in the iPhone's accessibility or ease of use. People have reported bugs and expressed some frustration in those bugs, but I don't see a problem with that. Just as people shouldn't whine or complain incessantly, people also shouldn't be looking at things through rose coloured glasses. Just because we have it better off than we did 10 years ago, doesn't mean things are perfect or can't get any better. If we didn't report problems, Apple or any company could get complacent. On 21/12/12 18:25, Ricardo Walker wrote: Agreed. I would hate for people with issues to be afraid to voice there frustrations because they think they will be picked upon. Just as a friendly reminder, you can contact Apple at accessibil...@apple.com and make them aware of any bugs, enhancement request, or thanks you have. haha. Just my 2 cents. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Dec 21, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Joe jsoro...@gmail.com wrote: Sandy had a great message. As to my fellow fellas... Rather than be anal about how people complain too much, why not point folks to places where they can learn more about how to use the platform? You're no better than the whiners if all we do is clutter the list with observations about how people should be grateful. For my part, I think AppleVis.com is a great website. The AppleVis podcast is also good, as well as Triple Click Home podcast. You don't need an iDevice to access these programs. Lisa Salinger has produced some good demos of some apps and beginning training tutorials for iOS users. There's a book published by National Braille Press whose title escapes me, but Anna Dresner, a fellow subscriber, is its author. Don't get me wrong. I think people should give iOS a try and really peddle around a bit before deciding it's too hard or not for them, but criticizing isn't helping anyone to your cause. Hope that helps.--Joe -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 8:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone: Some Perspective There are people who will complain no matter what. They'll complain if it's too hot, too cold, rainy, dry, etc. There are people who always see the glass as half empty. I try not to listen to or take such complaints seriously. Andy -Original Message- From: James Mannion Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 4:58 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone: Some Perspective Definitely agreed! Maybe I have missed and and am not finding some posts, but complaining about a lack of being easy to use??? Complaining about level of over all accessibility?? I think if people are complaining about it not being easy enough to use or an over all lack in accessibility, they need to examine the validity of their expectations. They should have to use what is on another platform for a week. They should take a look at if the problem simply lies with their understanding of how to use the technology and not entirely the technology's fault. Bashing the accessibility Apple has given us on IOS is quite likely acting spoiled and inconsiderate of one's own responsibility to learn and understand what they are critizising. On 12/21/12, Sandy Finley finleykn...@gmail.com wrote: Lately there has been some frustration expressed on this list about accessibility and ease of use of Apple products. I hope that what I have to say here will help some put this in perspective. I bought an iPod for Christmas for my sighted husband. Because we are traveling for Christmas I gave it to him last evening. He has never used an iPhone and while bright, techy stuff is not his priority. I loaded onto it our entire digitized music collection plus his almost 1,500 digital photos, and a few apps I thought he'd like. As I showed him how to use it I had one of those ahah! Moments. I was saying things like, That bottom row is called the doc and there's a download button up
iPhone: Some Perspective
Lately there has been some frustration expressed on this list about accessibility and ease of use of Apple products. I hope that what I have to say here will help some put this in perspective. I bought an iPod for Christmas for my sighted husband. Because we are traveling for Christmas I gave it to him last evening. He has never used an iPhone and while bright, techy stuff is not his priority. I loaded onto it our entire digitized music collection plus his almost 1,500 digital photos, and a few apps I thought he'd like. As I showed him how to use it I had one of those ahah! Moments. I was saying things like, That bottom row is called the doc and there's a download button up there on the right and tap play list on the bottom. As far as I know the iPhone is one of the few products that is not only accessible, but we have a fairly accurate picture of the location of items on the screen. Perhaps it's due to my technological inferiority but I know that when he and I navigate a web page together in Internet Explorer I don't have a good picture of what is where from his perspective and he doesn't understand mine either. To say that he was impressed with my newfound orientation to the screen is an understatement. I bought that iPod, showed my stepson how to activate VO and then took it over and set it up myself. To me this is very powerful stuff. Apple isn't perfect and I got frustrated just the other day figuring out how to enter all of my trips into Flight Few, but we've come a very long way from my college years with a slate and stylus, Braille writer, four-track, reel-to-reel tape recorder and portable typewriter. Sandy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: iPhone: Some Perspective
Definitely agreed! Maybe I have missed and and am not finding some posts, but complaining about a lack of being easy to use??? Complaining about level of over all accessibility?? I think if people are complaining about it not being easy enough to use or an over all lack in accessibility, they need to examine the validity of their expectations. They should have to use what is on another platform for a week. They should take a look at if the problem simply lies with their understanding of how to use the technology and not entirely the technology's fault. Bashing the accessibility Apple has given us on IOS is quite likely acting spoiled and inconsiderate of one's own responsibility to learn and understand what they are critizising. On 12/21/12, Sandy Finley finleykn...@gmail.com wrote: Lately there has been some frustration expressed on this list about accessibility and ease of use of Apple products. I hope that what I have to say here will help some put this in perspective. I bought an iPod for Christmas for my sighted husband. Because we are traveling for Christmas I gave it to him last evening. He has never used an iPhone and while bright, techy stuff is not his priority. I loaded onto it our entire digitized music collection plus his almost 1,500 digital photos, and a few apps I thought he'd like. As I showed him how to use it I had one of those ahah! Moments. I was saying things like, That bottom row is called the doc and there's a download button up there on the right and tap play list on the bottom. As far as I know the iPhone is one of the few products that is not only accessible, but we have a fairly accurate picture of the location of items on the screen. Perhaps it's due to my technological inferiority but I know that when he and I navigate a web page together in Internet Explorer I don't have a good picture of what is where from his perspective and he doesn't understand mine either. To say that he was impressed with my newfound orientation to the screen is an understatement. I bought that iPod, showed my stepson how to activate VO and then took it over and set it up myself. To me this is very powerful stuff. Apple isn't perfect and I got frustrated just the other day figuring out how to enter all of my trips into Flight Few, but we've come a very long way from my college years with a slate and stylus, Braille writer, four-track, reel-to-reel tape recorder and portable typewriter. Sandy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: iPhone: Some Perspective
There are people who will complain no matter what. They'll complain if it's too hot, too cold, rainy, dry, etc. There are people who always see the glass as half empty. I try not to listen to or take such complaints seriously. Andy -Original Message- From: James Mannion Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 4:58 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone: Some Perspective Definitely agreed! Maybe I have missed and and am not finding some posts, but complaining about a lack of being easy to use??? Complaining about level of over all accessibility?? I think if people are complaining about it not being easy enough to use or an over all lack in accessibility, they need to examine the validity of their expectations. They should have to use what is on another platform for a week. They should take a look at if the problem simply lies with their understanding of how to use the technology and not entirely the technology's fault. Bashing the accessibility Apple has given us on IOS is quite likely acting spoiled and inconsiderate of one's own responsibility to learn and understand what they are critizising. On 12/21/12, Sandy Finley finleykn...@gmail.com wrote: Lately there has been some frustration expressed on this list about accessibility and ease of use of Apple products. I hope that what I have to say here will help some put this in perspective. I bought an iPod for Christmas for my sighted husband. Because we are traveling for Christmas I gave it to him last evening. He has never used an iPhone and while bright, techy stuff is not his priority. I loaded onto it our entire digitized music collection plus his almost 1,500 digital photos, and a few apps I thought he'd like. As I showed him how to use it I had one of those ahah! Moments. I was saying things like, That bottom row is called the doc and there's a download button up there on the right and tap play list on the bottom. As far as I know the iPhone is one of the few products that is not only accessible, but we have a fairly accurate picture of the location of items on the screen. Perhaps it's due to my technological inferiority but I know that when he and I navigate a web page together in Internet Explorer I don't have a good picture of what is where from his perspective and he doesn't understand mine either. To say that he was impressed with my newfound orientation to the screen is an understatement. I bought that iPod, showed my stepson how to activate VO and then took it over and set it up myself. To me this is very powerful stuff. Apple isn't perfect and I got frustrated just the other day figuring out how to enter all of my trips into Flight Few, but we've come a very long way from my college years with a slate and stylus, Braille writer, four-track, reel-to-reel tape recorder and portable typewriter. Sandy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: iPhone: Some Perspective
Great post Sandy!!! I have said over and over I am not techie, but being 60 years old now, I feel I missed a great time technologically to grow up. I am truly impressed with the computer, but now that I have gotten an iPhone, so much of the world has opened up. Oh yes, there have been times when I wanted to throw the thing and still times when I cannot make things work as I think they should, but for me, the word is patience. No, I don't do too much exploring apps but wait for the techies to do it and post a podcast or say something on the list. God bless them they are willing to help folks like me so I can get the most out of what I have. It is just so much more than I have ever had in my life. Not an expert by any means, but just happy to have what I have right along with the sighted folks. It seems to me most developers are willing to help us with accessibility, and if Apple doesn't help us with one update, they will the next. It is up to us to keep them apprised of what we need. It is not like they have dropped us off the radar. Reggie _ From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Finley Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 7:16 AM To: 'VIAPHONE' Subject: iPhone: Some Perspective Lately there has been some frustration expressed on this list about accessibility and ease of use of Apple products. I hope that what I have to say here will help some put this in perspective. I bought an iPod for Christmas for my sighted husband. Because we are traveling for Christmas I gave it to him last evening. He has never used an iPhone and while bright, techy stuff is not his priority. I loaded onto it our entire digitized music collection plus his almost 1,500 digital photos, and a few apps I thought he'd like. As I showed him how to use it I had one of those ahah! Moments. I was saying things like, That bottom row is called the doc and there's a download button up there on the right and tap play list on the bottom. As far as I know the iPhone is one of the few products that is not only accessible, but we have a fairly accurate picture of the location of items on the screen. Perhaps it's due to my technological inferiority but I know that when he and I navigate a web page together in Internet Explorer I don't have a good picture of what is where from his perspective and he doesn't understand mine either. To say that he was impressed with my newfound orientation to the screen is an understatement. I bought that iPod, showed my stepson how to activate VO and then took it over and set it up myself. To me this is very powerful stuff. Apple isn't perfect and I got frustrated just the other day figuring out how to enter all of my trips into Flight Few, but we've come a very long way from my college years with a slate and stylus, Braille writer, four-track, reel-to-reel tape recorder and portable typewriter. Sandy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: iPhone: Some Perspective
Sandy, I am not usually one for, here, here's, but, well, err, here, here… I am amazed just how quickly folk forget what we had as little ago as only a few years in comparison. More than this, the fact that what Apple have done is put Voice Over onto their entire product line up, that we can activate it out of the box without sighted help is staggeringly wonderful. There are issues, and I think it would be absent of us not to say so, but, as you say, what did we have 20+ years ago, come to think of it, even just 3 years ago? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 21 Dec 2012, at 12:16, Sandy Finley finleykn...@gmail.com wrote: Lately there has been some frustration expressed on this list about accessibility and ease of use of Apple products. I hope that what I have to say here will help some put this in perspective. I bought an iPod for Christmas for my sighted husband. Because we are traveling for Christmas I gave it to him last evening. He has never used an iPhone and while bright, techy stuff is not his priority. I loaded onto it our entire digitized music collection plus his almost 1,500 digital photos, and a few apps I thought he’d like. As I showed him how to use it I had one of those ahah! Moments. I was saying things like, “That bottom row is called the doc” and “there’s a download button up there on the right” and “tap play list on the bottom…” As far as I know the iPhone is one of the few products that is not only accessible, but we have a fairly accurate picture of the location of items on the screen. Perhaps it’s due to my technological inferiority but I know that when he and I navigate a web page together in Internet Explorer I don’t have a good picture of what is where from his perspective and he doesn’t understand mine either. To say that he was impressed with my newfound orientation to the screen is an understatement. I bought that iPod, showed my stepson how to activate VO and then took it over and set it up myself. To me this is very powerful stuff. Apple isn’t perfect and I got frustrated just the other day figuring out how to enter all of my trips into Flight Few, but we’ve come a very long way from my college years with a slate and stylus, Braille writer, four-track, reel-to-reel tape recorder and portable typewriter. Sandy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: iPhone: Some Perspective
Sandy had a great message. As to my fellow fellas... Rather than be anal about how people complain too much, why not point folks to places where they can learn more about how to use the platform? You're no better than the whiners if all we do is clutter the list with observations about how people should be grateful. For my part, I think AppleVis.com is a great website. The AppleVis podcast is also good, as well as Triple Click Home podcast. You don't need an iDevice to access these programs. Lisa Salinger has produced some good demos of some apps and beginning training tutorials for iOS users. There's a book published by National Braille Press whose title escapes me, but Anna Dresner, a fellow subscriber, is its author. Don't get me wrong. I think people should give iOS a try and really peddle around a bit before deciding it's too hard or not for them, but criticizing isn't helping anyone to your cause. Hope that helps.--Joe -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 8:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone: Some Perspective There are people who will complain no matter what. They'll complain if it's too hot, too cold, rainy, dry, etc. There are people who always see the glass as half empty. I try not to listen to or take such complaints seriously. Andy -Original Message- From: James Mannion Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 4:58 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone: Some Perspective Definitely agreed! Maybe I have missed and and am not finding some posts, but complaining about a lack of being easy to use??? Complaining about level of over all accessibility?? I think if people are complaining about it not being easy enough to use or an over all lack in accessibility, they need to examine the validity of their expectations. They should have to use what is on another platform for a week. They should take a look at if the problem simply lies with their understanding of how to use the technology and not entirely the technology's fault. Bashing the accessibility Apple has given us on IOS is quite likely acting spoiled and inconsiderate of one's own responsibility to learn and understand what they are critizising. On 12/21/12, Sandy Finley finleykn...@gmail.com wrote: Lately there has been some frustration expressed on this list about accessibility and ease of use of Apple products. I hope that what I have to say here will help some put this in perspective. I bought an iPod for Christmas for my sighted husband. Because we are traveling for Christmas I gave it to him last evening. He has never used an iPhone and while bright, techy stuff is not his priority. I loaded onto it our entire digitized music collection plus his almost 1,500 digital photos, and a few apps I thought he'd like. As I showed him how to use it I had one of those ahah! Moments. I was saying things like, That bottom row is called the doc and there's a download button up there on the right and tap play list on the bottom. As far as I know the iPhone is one of the few products that is not only accessible, but we have a fairly accurate picture of the location of items on the screen. Perhaps it's due to my technological inferiority but I know that when he and I navigate a web page together in Internet Explorer I don't have a good picture of what is where from his perspective and he doesn't understand mine either. To say that he was impressed with my newfound orientation to the screen is an understatement. I bought that iPod, showed my stepson how to activate VO and then took it over and set it up myself. To me this is very powerful stuff. Apple isn't perfect and I got frustrated just the other day figuring out how to enter all of my trips into Flight Few, but we've come a very long way from my college years with a slate and stylus, Braille writer, four-track, reel-to-reel tape recorder and portable typewriter. Sandy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google
Re: iPhone: Some Perspective
Agreed. I would hate for people with issues to be afraid to voice there frustrations because they think they will be picked upon. Just as a friendly reminder, you can contact Apple at accessibil...@apple.com and make them aware of any bugs, enhancement request, or thanks you have. haha. Just my 2 cents. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Dec 21, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Joe jsoro...@gmail.com wrote: Sandy had a great message. As to my fellow fellas... Rather than be anal about how people complain too much, why not point folks to places where they can learn more about how to use the platform? You're no better than the whiners if all we do is clutter the list with observations about how people should be grateful. For my part, I think AppleVis.com is a great website. The AppleVis podcast is also good, as well as Triple Click Home podcast. You don't need an iDevice to access these programs. Lisa Salinger has produced some good demos of some apps and beginning training tutorials for iOS users. There's a book published by National Braille Press whose title escapes me, but Anna Dresner, a fellow subscriber, is its author. Don't get me wrong. I think people should give iOS a try and really peddle around a bit before deciding it's too hard or not for them, but criticizing isn't helping anyone to your cause. Hope that helps.--Joe -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 8:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone: Some Perspective There are people who will complain no matter what. They'll complain if it's too hot, too cold, rainy, dry, etc. There are people who always see the glass as half empty. I try not to listen to or take such complaints seriously. Andy -Original Message- From: James Mannion Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 4:58 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone: Some Perspective Definitely agreed! Maybe I have missed and and am not finding some posts, but complaining about a lack of being easy to use??? Complaining about level of over all accessibility?? I think if people are complaining about it not being easy enough to use or an over all lack in accessibility, they need to examine the validity of their expectations. They should have to use what is on another platform for a week. They should take a look at if the problem simply lies with their understanding of how to use the technology and not entirely the technology's fault. Bashing the accessibility Apple has given us on IOS is quite likely acting spoiled and inconsiderate of one's own responsibility to learn and understand what they are critizising. On 12/21/12, Sandy Finley finleykn...@gmail.com wrote: Lately there has been some frustration expressed on this list about accessibility and ease of use of Apple products. I hope that what I have to say here will help some put this in perspective. I bought an iPod for Christmas for my sighted husband. Because we are traveling for Christmas I gave it to him last evening. He has never used an iPhone and while bright, techy stuff is not his priority. I loaded onto it our entire digitized music collection plus his almost 1,500 digital photos, and a few apps I thought he'd like. As I showed him how to use it I had one of those ahah! Moments. I was saying things like, That bottom row is called the doc and there's a download button up there on the right and tap play list on the bottom. As far as I know the iPhone is one of the few products that is not only accessible, but we have a fairly accurate picture of the location of items on the screen. Perhaps it's due to my technological inferiority but I know that when he and I navigate a web page together in Internet Explorer I don't have a good picture of what is where from his perspective and he doesn't understand mine either. To say that he was impressed with my newfound orientation to the screen is an understatement. I bought that iPod, showed my stepson how to activate VO and then took it over and set it up myself. To me this is very powerful stuff. Apple isn't perfect and I got frustrated just the other day figuring out how to enter all of my trips into Flight Few, but we've come a very long way from my college years with a slate and stylus, Braille writer, four-track, reel-to-reel tape recorder and portable typewriter. Sandy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http
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I have used applevis for a whole lot of teaching. Beverly on this list also runs a phone conference for beginners on Tuesday evenings that is great. Also thanks for the other suggestions on podcasts, Joe! I have also actually searched in the viphone archives successfully, another good teacher Raul explained how to do. So, if there are any very newbies to iPhone, you do have options, and anything I can do to help here that I know how to do I am glad to share. Reggie -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 6:09 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iPhone: Some Perspective Sandy had a great message. As to my fellow fellas... Rather than be anal about how people complain too much, why not point folks to places where they can learn more about how to use the platform? You're no better than the whiners if all we do is clutter the list with observations about how people should be grateful. For my part, I think AppleVis.com is a great website. The AppleVis podcast is also good, as well as Triple Click Home podcast. You don't need an iDevice to access these programs. Lisa Salinger has produced some good demos of some apps and beginning training tutorials for iOS users. There's a book published by National Braille Press whose title escapes me, but Anna Dresner, a fellow subscriber, is its author. Don't get me wrong. I think people should give iOS a try and really peddle around a bit before deciding it's too hard or not for them, but criticizing isn't helping anyone to your cause. Hope that helps.--Joe -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 8:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone: Some Perspective There are people who will complain no matter what. They'll complain if it's too hot, too cold, rainy, dry, etc. There are people who always see the glass as half empty. I try not to listen to or take such complaints seriously. Andy -Original Message- From: James Mannion Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 4:58 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone: Some Perspective Definitely agreed! Maybe I have missed and and am not finding some posts, but complaining about a lack of being easy to use??? Complaining about level of over all accessibility?? I think if people are complaining about it not being easy enough to use or an over all lack in accessibility, they need to examine the validity of their expectations. They should have to use what is on another platform for a week. They should take a look at if the problem simply lies with their understanding of how to use the technology and not entirely the technology's fault. Bashing the accessibility Apple has given us on IOS is quite likely acting spoiled and inconsiderate of one's own responsibility to learn and understand what they are critizising. On 12/21/12, Sandy Finley finleykn...@gmail.com wrote: Lately there has been some frustration expressed on this list about accessibility and ease of use of Apple products. I hope that what I have to say here will help some put this in perspective. I bought an iPod for Christmas for my sighted husband. Because we are traveling for Christmas I gave it to him last evening. He has never used an iPhone and while bright, techy stuff is not his priority. I loaded onto it our entire digitized music collection plus his almost 1,500 digital photos, and a few apps I thought he'd like. As I showed him how to use it I had one of those ahah! Moments. I was saying things like, That bottom row is called the doc and there's a download button up there on the right and tap play list on the bottom. As far as I know the iPhone is one of the few products that is not only accessible, but we have a fairly accurate picture of the location of items on the screen. Perhaps it's due to my technological inferiority but I know that when he and I navigate a web page together in Internet Explorer I don't have a good picture of what is where from his perspective and he doesn't understand mine either. To say that he was impressed with my newfound orientation to the screen is an understatement. I bought that iPod, showed my stepson how to activate VO and then took it over and set it up myself. To me this is very powerful stuff. Apple isn't perfect and I got frustrated just the other day figuring out how to enter all of my trips into Flight Few, but we've come a very long way from my college years with a slate and stylus, Braille writer, four-track, reel-to-reel tape recorder and portable typewriter. Sandy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone
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I haven't seen any posts on this list expressing a frustration in the iPhone's accessibility or ease of use. People have reported bugs and expressed some frustration in those bugs, but I don't see a problem with that. Just as people shouldn't whine or complain incessantly, people also shouldn't be looking at things through rose coloured glasses. Just because we have it better off than we did 10 years ago, doesn't mean things are perfect or can't get any better. If we didn't report problems, Apple or any company could get complacent. On 21/12/12 18:25, Ricardo Walker wrote: Agreed. I would hate for people with issues to be afraid to voice there frustrations because they think they will be picked upon. Just as a friendly reminder, you can contact Apple at accessibil...@apple.com and make them aware of any bugs, enhancement request, or thanks you have. haha. Just my 2 cents. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Dec 21, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Joe jsoro...@gmail.com wrote: Sandy had a great message. As to my fellow fellas... Rather than be anal about how people complain too much, why not point folks to places where they can learn more about how to use the platform? You're no better than the whiners if all we do is clutter the list with observations about how people should be grateful. For my part, I think AppleVis.com is a great website. The AppleVis podcast is also good, as well as Triple Click Home podcast. You don't need an iDevice to access these programs. Lisa Salinger has produced some good demos of some apps and beginning training tutorials for iOS users. There's a book published by National Braille Press whose title escapes me, but Anna Dresner, a fellow subscriber, is its author. Don't get me wrong. I think people should give iOS a try and really peddle around a bit before deciding it's too hard or not for them, but criticizing isn't helping anyone to your cause. Hope that helps.--Joe -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 8:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone: Some Perspective There are people who will complain no matter what. They'll complain if it's too hot, too cold, rainy, dry, etc. There are people who always see the glass as half empty. I try not to listen to or take such complaints seriously. Andy -Original Message- From: James Mannion Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 4:58 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone: Some Perspective Definitely agreed! Maybe I have missed and and am not finding some posts, but complaining about a lack of being easy to use??? Complaining about level of over all accessibility?? I think if people are complaining about it not being easy enough to use or an over all lack in accessibility, they need to examine the validity of their expectations. They should have to use what is on another platform for a week. They should take a look at if the problem simply lies with their understanding of how to use the technology and not entirely the technology's fault. Bashing the accessibility Apple has given us on IOS is quite likely acting spoiled and inconsiderate of one's own responsibility to learn and understand what they are critizising. On 12/21/12, Sandy Finley finleykn...@gmail.com wrote: Lately there has been some frustration expressed on this list about accessibility and ease of use of Apple products. I hope that what I have to say here will help some put this in perspective. I bought an iPod for Christmas for my sighted husband. Because we are traveling for Christmas I gave it to him last evening. He has never used an iPhone and while bright, techy stuff is not his priority. I loaded onto it our entire digitized music collection plus his almost 1,500 digital photos, and a few apps I thought he'd like. As I showed him how to use it I had one of those ahah! Moments. I was saying things like, That bottom row is called the doc and there's a download button up there on the right and tap play list on the bottom. As far as I know the iPhone is one of the few products that is not only accessible, but we have a fairly accurate picture of the location of items on the screen. Perhaps it's due to my technological inferiority but I know that when he and I navigate a web page together in Internet Explorer I don't have a good picture of what is where from his perspective and he doesn't understand mine either. To say that he was impressed with my newfound orientation to the screen is an understatement. I bought that iPod, showed my stepson how to activate VO and then took it over and set it up myself. To me this is very powerful stuff. Apple isn't perfect and I got frustrated just the other day figuring out how to enter all of my trips into Flight Few
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Well said Sandy I have also been frustrated with the iPhone but now I have an iPhone and iPad and iPad Mini and I'm learning every day but it's so much better then other things that I've used in the past there are frustrations especially editing which something I am still learning and have gathered some tips I will be sharing those in a future post! Can you say run-on sentences? Using dictation is cool but editing it is something else I decided to leave this message as it is to show you an example good job for showing your husband how to use his iPad pod and Merry Christmas to everyone on the list Sent from my iPhone On Dec 21, 2012, at 4:16 AM, Sandy Finley finleykn...@gmail.com wrote: Lately there has been some frustration expressed on this list about accessibility and ease of use of Apple products. I hope that what I have to say here will help some put this in perspective. I bought an iPod for Christmas for my sighted husband. Because we are traveling for Christmas I gave it to him last evening. He has never used an iPhone and while bright, techy stuff is not his priority. I loaded onto it our entire digitized music collection plus his almost 1,500 digital photos, and a few apps I thought he’d like. As I showed him how to use it I had one of those ahah! Moments. I was saying things like, “That bottom row is called the doc” and “there’s a download button up there on the right” and “tap play list on the bottom…” As far as I know the iPhone is one of the few products that is not only accessible, but we have a fairly accurate picture of the location of items on the screen. Perhaps it’s due to my technological inferiority but I know that when he and I navigate a web page together in Internet Explorer I don’t have a good picture of what is where from his perspective and he doesn’t understand mine either. To say that he was impressed with my newfound orientation to the screen is an understatement. I bought that iPod, showed my stepson how to activate VO and then took it over and set it up myself. To me this is very powerful stuff. Apple isn’t perfect and I got frustrated just the other day figuring out how to enter all of my trips into Flight Few, but we’ve come a very long way from my college years with a slate and stylus, Braille writer, four-track, reel-to-reel tape recorder and portable typewriter. Sandy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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Hmm, I don't think I said people have been frustrated in the iPhones accessibility or ease of use. I just said issues that are causing them frustration. I was speaking in general terms. And I definitely agree people should make Apple aware of bugs, and overall dissatisfaction. Hence the information to contact them in my post. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Dec 21, 2012, at 11:28 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't seen any posts on this list expressing a frustration in the iPhone's accessibility or ease of use. People have reported bugs and expressed some frustration in those bugs, but I don't see a problem with that. Just as people shouldn't whine or complain incessantly, people also shouldn't be looking at things through rose coloured glasses. Just because we have it better off than we did 10 years ago, doesn't mean things are perfect or can't get any better. If we didn't report problems, Apple or any company could get complacent. On 21/12/12 18:25, Ricardo Walker wrote: Agreed. I would hate for people with issues to be afraid to voice there frustrations because they think they will be picked upon. Just as a friendly reminder, you can contact Apple at accessibil...@apple.com and make them aware of any bugs, enhancement request, or thanks you have. haha. Just my 2 cents. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Dec 21, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Joe jsoro...@gmail.com wrote: Sandy had a great message. As to my fellow fellas... Rather than be anal about how people complain too much, why not point folks to places where they can learn more about how to use the platform? You're no better than the whiners if all we do is clutter the list with observations about how people should be grateful. For my part, I think AppleVis.com is a great website. The AppleVis podcast is also good, as well as Triple Click Home podcast. You don't need an iDevice to access these programs. Lisa Salinger has produced some good demos of some apps and beginning training tutorials for iOS users. There's a book published by National Braille Press whose title escapes me, but Anna Dresner, a fellow subscriber, is its author. Don't get me wrong. I think people should give iOS a try and really peddle around a bit before deciding it's too hard or not for them, but criticizing isn't helping anyone to your cause. Hope that helps.--Joe -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 8:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone: Some Perspective There are people who will complain no matter what. They'll complain if it's too hot, too cold, rainy, dry, etc. There are people who always see the glass as half empty. I try not to listen to or take such complaints seriously. Andy -Original Message- From: James Mannion Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 4:58 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone: Some Perspective Definitely agreed! Maybe I have missed and and am not finding some posts, but complaining about a lack of being easy to use??? Complaining about level of over all accessibility?? I think if people are complaining about it not being easy enough to use or an over all lack in accessibility, they need to examine the validity of their expectations. They should have to use what is on another platform for a week. They should take a look at if the problem simply lies with their understanding of how to use the technology and not entirely the technology's fault. Bashing the accessibility Apple has given us on IOS is quite likely acting spoiled and inconsiderate of one's own responsibility to learn and understand what they are critizising. On 12/21/12, Sandy Finley finleykn...@gmail.com wrote: Lately there has been some frustration expressed on this list about accessibility and ease of use of Apple products. I hope that what I have to say here will help some put this in perspective. I bought an iPod for Christmas for my sighted husband. Because we are traveling for Christmas I gave it to him last evening. He has never used an iPhone and while bright, techy stuff is not his priority. I loaded onto it our entire digitized music collection plus his almost 1,500 digital photos, and a few apps I thought he'd like. As I showed him how to use it I had one of those ahah! Moments. I was saying things like, That bottom row is called the doc and there's a download button up there on the right and tap play list on the bottom. As far as I know the iPhone is one of the few products that is not only accessible, but we have a fairly accurate picture of the location of items on the screen. Perhaps it's due to my technological inferiority but I know that when he and I
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Just today I was riding in the car with my wife, grumbling about not being able to send my friend a video. After a couple of minutes, I realized what I was doing wrong, of course there was nothing wrong with the iPhone, and sent the video. I said to my wife, I know I complain about this thing, but it is pretty incredible that a blind guy can send a friend a thousand miles away a video from a moving car. She said it was good to hear me say that. Chuck On Dec 21, 11:34 pm, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm, I don't think I said people have been frustrated in the iPhones accessibility or ease of use. I just said issues that are causing them frustration. I was speaking in general terms. And I definitely agree people should make Apple aware of bugs, and overall dissatisfaction. Hence the information to contact them in my post. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecorewww.appletothecore.info On Dec 21, 2012, at 11:28 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't seen any posts on this list expressing a frustration in the iPhone's accessibility or ease of use. People have reported bugs and expressed some frustration in those bugs, but I don't see a problem with that. Just as people shouldn't whine or complain incessantly, people also shouldn't be looking at things through rose coloured glasses. Just because we have it better off than we did 10 years ago, doesn't mean things are perfect or can't get any better. If we didn't report problems, Apple or any company could get complacent. On 21/12/12 18:25, Ricardo Walker wrote: Agreed. I would hate for people with issues to be afraid to voice there frustrations because they think they will be picked upon. Just as a friendly reminder, you can contact Apple at accessibil...@apple.com and make them aware of any bugs, enhancement request, or thanks you have. haha. Just my 2 cents. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Dec 21, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Joe jsoro...@gmail.com wrote: Sandy had a great message. As to my fellow fellas... Rather than be anal about how people complain too much, why not point folks to places where they can learn more about how to use the platform? You're no better than the whiners if all we do is clutter the list with observations about how people should be grateful. For my part, I think AppleVis.com is a great website. The AppleVis podcast is also good, as well as Triple Click Home podcast. You don't need an iDevice to access these programs. Lisa Salinger has produced some good demos of some apps and beginning training tutorials for iOS users. There's a book published by National Braille Press whose title escapes me, but Anna Dresner, a fellow subscriber, is its author. Don't get me wrong. I think people should give iOS a try and really peddle around a bit before deciding it's too hard or not for them, but criticizing isn't helping anyone to your cause. Hope that helps.--Joe -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 8:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone: Some Perspective There are people who will complain no matter what. They'll complain if it's too hot, too cold, rainy, dry, etc. There are people who always see the glass as half empty. I try not to listen to or take such complaints seriously. Andy -Original Message- From: James Mannion Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 4:58 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone: Some Perspective Definitely agreed! Maybe I have missed and and am not finding some posts, but complaining about a lack of being easy to use??? Complaining about level of over all accessibility?? I think if people are complaining about it not being easy enough to use or an over all lack in accessibility, they need to examine the validity of their expectations. They should have to use what is on another platform for a week. They should take a look at if the problem simply lies with their understanding of how to use the technology and not entirely the technology's fault. Bashing the accessibility Apple has given us on IOS is quite likely acting spoiled and inconsiderate of one's own responsibility to learn and understand what they are critizising. On 12/21/12, Sandy Finley finleykn...@gmail.com wrote: Lately there has been some frustration expressed on this list about accessibility and ease of use of Apple products. I hope that what I have to say here will help some put this in perspective. I bought an iPod for Christmas for my sighted husband. Because we are traveling for Christmas I gave it to him last evening. He has never used an iPhone and while bright, techy stuff is not his
