RE: IOS latest

[Mike Ulrich]

I’ve noticed one thing with 10.3.2; when you are in the phone app and bring up 
the keypad; they aren’t any corresponding letters with the numbers. Has anyone 
else noticed this with the latest IOS update?

 

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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 1:57 AM
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Subject: RE: IOS latest

 

Pretty much mostly bug and security fixes, it’s perfectly safe to install this 
update. 

 

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M.Nelson
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IOS latest

 

It was reported that the latest update is available but I have not heard if 
anyone has anything to say about it. Is there any noticeable improvement or 
problem? I am assuming there is neither and my phones are nagging at me to 
install the update. so...?

Thanks, Marie

 

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RE: IOS latest

[Mike Ulrich]

Well my 5S took a dirt nap yesterday; I unbeknownst to me, knocked in the 
kitchen sink while doing some multi tasking cooking!

So once I get a brandie new SE today, I’ll be sure to check that, although on a 
new phone it might not be a problem?

Thanks for getting back to me though.

 

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Donna
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 7:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS latest

 

Have you checked to make sure Hints is on? Go to Settings, Accessibility, 
Voiceover, Verbosity.

 

Donna  

 

I’ noticed one thing with 10.3.2; when you are in the phone app and bring up 
the keypad; they aren’t any corresponding letters with the numbers. Has anyone 
else noticed this with the latest IOS update?

 

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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 1:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS latest

 

Pretty much mostly bug and security fixes, it’s perfectly safe to install this 
update. 

 

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M.Nelson
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IOS latest

 

It was reported that the latest update is available but I have not heard if 
anyone has anything to say about it. Is there any noticeable improvement or 
problem? I am assuming there is neither and my phones are nagging at me to 
install the update. so...?

Thanks, Marie

 

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Re: IOS latest

[Donna]

Have you checked to make sure Hints is on? Go to Settings, Accessibility, 
Voiceover, Verbosity.

Donna  
> 
> I’ noticed one thing with 10.3.2; when you are in the phone app and bring up 
> the keypad; they aren’t any corresponding letters with the numbers. Has 
> anyone else noticed this with the latest IOS update?
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 1:57 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IOS latest
>  
> Pretty much mostly bug and security fixes, it’s perfectly safe to install 
> this update.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> M.Nelson
> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:12 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: IOS latest
>  
> It was reported that the latest update is available but I have not heard if 
> anyone has anything to say about it. Is there any noticeable improvement or 
> problem? I am assuming there is neither and my phones are nagging at me to 
> install the update. so...?
> Thanks, Marie
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RE: AirPods versus the free EarPods

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I have tried Airpods at an Apple Store and spend a good 15 minutes listening to 
various types of music as well as a bit of an audio book. I agree that they 
sound slightly better than Earpods, but I wouldn’t say that is a “Wow 
experience” type difference and the fit is exactly the same, think of the 
earpods with the cable cut off at the end of the little plastic part that 
sticks down.
It’s interesting how perception differs, I think the wired Apple Earpods are by 
far the best sounding earbuds that are not noise-isolating and especially in 
that price range. I also have a pair of $200 V-Mota over the ear headphones 
with beautiful soft leather earcups and they sound great, but they definitely 
don’t sound 6 times as good. I have a feeling if you don’t like Earpods that 
Airpods may also not be to your liking and you might want to look at something 
like the new Beats X which are actually a bit less expensive and they have a 
cord/cable connecting the two earbuds and there is a fully functional remote 
built into this cable whereas with Airpods all you can do is to answer/hang up 
a call, invoke SIRI and pause playback by taking them out of your ear, there is 
no way to control volume unless you bring up SIRI to raise or lower the volume. 
Otherwise you have to use the iPhone itself for volume, skip/rewind, play/pause 
etc.
I am definitely waiting to see what the next generation of Airpods bring, I’m 
pretty sure they’ll also come out with the second generation this fall and 
hopefully Apple for once listened to what the customers want which definitely 
is volume control and at least the basic functions of rewind and skip and I’d 
love to see a small hole molded in the plastic which would allow you to connect 
a cord so it’s not quite as easy to loose one. And of course Apple could make 
said cord in 10 different colours for 5 Cents, sell it as the “Aircord” for 
$9.99 and add a bit more cash to the quarter trillion Dollars they already have 
on hand.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Jennie Facer
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 9:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: AirPods versus the free EarPods

Hi Mary,

I pretty much agree with Michael. I love the AirPods. They sound just as good 
as my Bose headphone did. The batteries last for about 5 hours which isn't too 
bad. My husband also says that he can't hear them much when they are in my 
ears, so they are pretty quiet for that. Hope this helps you a bit.

Jenn
Jenn and Kumi

On May 29, 2017, at 9:25 AM, Mary Otten 
> wrote:


Sent hi all,
I am considering the possible purchase of AirPods. I don't like earr buds in 
general and I have never been impressed with the EarPods the Apple include with 
its phone. For those of you who have both, are the AirPods really better? Or is 
it just nice electronics with the same old less than wonderful sound? I have 
great headphones. But they cover the ears, and I don't think I want to wear 
them for hours on end.
Mary
from my iPhone

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Re: AirPods versus the free EarPods

[Harry Bell]

I just use one airpod at a time so i can still interact with the outer world. 
Airpods mean no dangling wires. The only situation where i use wired earpods is 
on uk aircraft where they insidt ee ude sirplane mode which stops bluetooth!
Harry

> On 29 May 2017, at 16:25, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent hi all,
> I am considering the possible purchase of AirPods. I don't like earr buds in 
> general and I have never been impressed with the EarPods the Apple include 
> with its phone. For those of you who have both, are the AirPods really 
> better? Or is it just nice electronics with the same old less than wonderful 
> sound? I have great headphones. But they cover the ears, and I don't think I 
> want to wear them for hours on end.
> Mary
> from my iPhone
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Re: AirPods versus the free EarPods

[Jennie Facer]

Hi Mary,

I pretty much agree with Michael. I love the AirPods. They sound just as good 
as my Bose headphone did. The batteries last for about 5 hours which isn't too 
bad. My husband also says that he can't hear them much when they are in my 
ears, so they are pretty quiet for that. Hope this helps you a bit.

Jenn 

Jenn and Kumi

> On May 29, 2017, at 9:25 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent hi all,
> I am considering the possible purchase of AirPods. I don't like earr buds in 
> general and I have never been impressed with the EarPods the Apple include 
> with its phone. For those of you who have both, are the AirPods really 
> better? Or is it just nice electronics with the same old less than wonderful 
> sound? I have great headphones. But they cover the ears, and I don't think I 
> want to wear them for hours on end.
> Mary
> from my iPhone
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What does every one think of the new face book update

[wui chin Leong]

What does every one think of the new face bbook update that came outa few days 
ago.I like that now the rfriendrequests area is now known by voice over as a 
tab.


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Re: AirPods versus the free EarPods

[Mary Otten]

Regarding the BeatsX, so they are earbuds? My understanding of the beats in 
general is that they are very bass heavy. So what was your impression of these 
beats X for sound? And how do they fit differently then EarPods? If there are 
things that you stick actually in your ear canal, that is a showstopper. I hate 
those, and they cut off the outside world, not what I need in this situation.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 29, 2017, at 9:30 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I have tried Airpods at an Apple Store and spend a good 15 minutes listening 
> to various types of music as well as a bit of an audio book. I agree that 
> they sound slightly better than Earpods, but I wouldn’t say that is a “Wow 
> experience” type difference and the fit is exactly the same, think of the 
> earpods with the cable cut off at the end of the little plastic part that 
> sticks down.
> It’s interesting how perception differs, I think the wired Apple Earpods are 
> by far the best sounding earbuds that are not noise-isolating and especially 
> in that price range. I also have a pair of $200 V-Mota over the ear 
> headphones with beautiful soft leather earcups and they sound great, but they 
> definitely don’t sound 6 times as good. I have a feeling if you don’t like 
> Earpods that Airpods may also not be to your liking and you might want to 
> look at something like the new Beats X which are actually a bit less 
> expensive and they have a cord/cable connecting the two earbuds and there is 
> a fully functional remote built into this cable whereas with Airpods all you 
> can do is to answer/hang up a call, invoke SIRI and pause playback by taking 
> them out of your ear, there is no way to control volume unless you bring up 
> SIRI to raise or lower the volume. Otherwise you have to use the iPhone 
> itself for volume, skip/rewind, play/pause etc.
> I am definitely waiting to see what the next generation of Airpods bring, I’m 
> pretty sure they’ll also come out with the second generation this fall and 
> hopefully Apple for once listened to what the customers want which definitely 
> is volume control and at least the basic functions of rewind and skip and I’d 
> love to see a small hole molded in the plastic which would allow you to 
> connect a cord so it’s not quite as easy to loose one. And of course Apple 
> could make said cord in 10 different colours for 5 Cents, sell it as the 
> “Aircord” for $9.99 and add a bit more cash to the quarter trillion Dollars 
> they already have on hand.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jennie Facer
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 9:09 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: AirPods versus the free EarPods
>  
> Hi Mary,
>  
> I pretty much agree with Michael. I love the AirPods. They sound just as good 
> as my Bose headphone did. The batteries last for about 5 hours which isn't 
> too bad. My husband also says that he can't hear them much when they are in 
> my ears, so they are pretty quiet for that. Hope this helps you a bit.
>  
> Jenn 
> 
> Jenn and Kumi
> 
> On May 29, 2017, at 9:25 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent hi all,
> I am considering the possible purchase of AirPods. I don't like earr buds in 
> general and I have never been impressed with the EarPods the Apple include 
> with its phone. For those of you who have both, are the AirPods really 
> better? Or is it just nice electronics with the same old less than wonderful 
> sound? I have great headphones. But they cover the ears, and I don't think I 
> want to wear them for hours on end.
> Mary
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Re: AirPods versus the free EarPods

[Michael Feir]

Hi Mary. I have both the free earpods and the airpods. The sound is
somewhat better on the Airpods. I think that due to the W1 chip and their
independent battery power. I notice more bass with them. The microphones
work very well for calls and conversations but I wouldn't use them for
serious recording.

What you're really buying with Airpods is convenience and portability. The
case can cary enough extra charge to keep the airpods going for a day. Each
airpod lasts around 5 hours on a ful charge but they charge very quickly.
You can stick one in the case to charge it up and keep using the other one.
After one's fully charged, switch airpods and charge the other. I can get
them to both end up at around 96% doing it that way. Alternatively, just
stick them both in the case and take a ten to fifteen minute break and
they'll both get a good enough charge to keep them going for at least a
couple hours.

It takes some getting used to but overall, I very much like my Airpods.
I'll be keenly interested to hear what Apple does for the next generation
of this product. Presuming they keep working, I think I'll be happy with
them for years. They don't take much power to charge up. Also, they don't
fall out of your ears like I worried they might. That depends on one's ear
shape. I'd never wear them while navigating outdoors. Aftershokz bone
conduction headsets are much safer for that. Also, if one did fall while
you were outdoors, it might be difficult to find without sight.
On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 11:25 AM Mary Otten  wrote:

>
>
> Sent hi all,
>  I am considering the possible purchase of AirPods. I don't like earr buds
> in general and I have never been impressed with the EarPods the Apple
> include with its phone. For those of you who have both, are the AirPods
> really better? Or is it just nice electronics with the same old less than
> wonderful sound? I have great headphones. But they cover the ears, and I
> don't think I want to wear them for hours on end.
> Mary
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Re: AirPods versus the free EarPods

[Mary Otten]

Thanks to those who have replied to my inquiry thus far. I'm not too worried 
about them falling out, since I would never use them outdoors. Indeed, I'm only 
contemplating them because I'm going to be stuck in one place for several hours 
at a time, and I think that's too much for my lovely over the ear headphones. 
Plus, those tend to isolate you from the outside, which isn't a good deal, when 
you're trying to communicate with medical personnel from time to time.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 29, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Michael Feir  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary. I have both the free earpods and the airpods. The sound is somewhat 
> better on the Airpods. I think that due to the W1 chip and their independent 
> battery power. I notice more bass with them. The microphones work very well 
> for calls and conversations but I wouldn't use them for serious recording.
> 
> What you're really buying with Airpods is convenience and portability. The 
> case can cary enough extra charge to keep the airpods going for a day. Each 
> airpod lasts around 5 hours on a ful charge but they charge very quickly. You 
> can stick one in the case to charge it up and keep using the other one. After 
> one's fully charged, switch airpods and charge the other. I can get them to 
> both end up at around 96% doing it that way. Alternatively, just stick them 
> both in the case and take a ten to fifteen minute break and they'll both get 
> a good enough charge to keep them going for at least a couple hours.
> 
> It takes some getting used to but overall, I very much like my Airpods. I'll 
> be keenly interested to hear what Apple does for the next generation of this 
> product. Presuming they keep working, I think I'll be happy with them for 
> years. They don't take much power to charge up. Also, they don't fall out of 
> your ears like I worried they might. That depends on one's ear shape. I'd 
> never wear them while navigating outdoors. Aftershokz bone conduction 
> headsets are much safer for that. Also, if one did fall while you were 
> outdoors, it might be difficult to find without sight. 
>> On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 11:25 AM Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Sent hi all,
>>  I am considering the possible purchase of AirPods. I don't like earr buds 
>> in general and I have never been impressed with the EarPods the Apple 
>> include with its phone. For those of you who have both, are the AirPods 
>> really better? Or is it just nice electronics with the same old less than 
>> wonderful sound? I have great headphones. But they cover the ears, and I 
>> don't think I want to wear them for hours on end.
>> Mary
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AirPods versus the free EarPods

[Mary Otten]

Sent hi all,
 I am considering the possible purchase of AirPods. I don't like earr buds in 
general and I have never been impressed with the EarPods the Apple include with 
its phone. For those of you who have both, are the AirPods really better? Or is 
it just nice electronics with the same old less than wonderful sound? I have 
great headphones. But they cover the ears, and I don't think I want to wear 
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Re: IOS latest

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, sorry for my apparent ignorance, but why would you want corresponding 
letters on a phone keypad? As far as I know, these are announced as part of 
VoiceOver's "speak hints" facility, so these need to be turned on in order to 
hear them in the first place. Anything else? Well I don't know, hence my 
apparent ignorance. Thanks for trying to enlighten me.
> On 29 May 2017, at 12:39, Mike Ulrich  wrote:
> 
> I’ve noticed one thing with 10.3.2; when you are in the phone app and bring 
> up the keypad; they aren’t any corresponding letters with the numbers. Has 
> anyone else noticed this with the latest IOS update?
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 1:57 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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>  
> Pretty much mostly bug and security fixes, it’s perfectly safe to install 
> this update. 
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
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> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:12 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: IOS latest
>  
> It was reported that the latest update is available but I have not heard if 
> anyone has anything to say about it. Is there any noticeable improvement or 
> problem? I am assuming there is neither and my phones are nagging at me to 
> install the update. so...?
> Thanks, Marie
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Re: What does every one think of the new face book update

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, I have noticed that as well, but don't have any personal opinions. It 
always worked the same with me, with some minor and major changes we all have 
to get used to some day.
> On 29 May 2017, at 17:35, wui chin Leong  wrote:
> 
> What does every one think of the new face bbook update that came outa few 
> days ago.I like that now the rfriendrequests area is now known by voice over 
> as a tab.
> 
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Re: AirPods versus the free EarPods

[Alan Lemly]

I'm with Sieghard on this topic and expect that where earphones are concerned, 
there are as many differing opinions as those expressing them. I think the 
wired earpods sound great and much prefer them over a set of Bose headphones 
that I have for both sound and comfort. 

Good luck at coming up with something that works for you. 

Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 29, 2017, at 11:30 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I have tried Airpods at an Apple Store and spend a good 15 minutes listening 
> to various types of music as well as a bit of an audio book. I agree that 
> they sound slightly better than Earpods, but I wouldn’t say that is a “Wow 
> experience” type difference and the fit is exactly the same, think of the 
> earpods with the cable cut off at the end of the little plastic part that 
> sticks down.
> It’s interesting how perception differs, I think the wired Apple Earpods are 
> by far the best sounding earbuds that are not noise-isolating and especially 
> in that price range. I also have a pair of $200 V-Mota over the ear 
> headphones with beautiful soft leather earcups and they sound great, but they 
> definitely don’t sound 6 times as good. I have a feeling if you don’t like 
> Earpods that Airpods may also not be to your liking and you might want to 
> look at something like the new Beats X which are actually a bit less 
> expensive and they have a cord/cable connecting the two earbuds and there is 
> a fully functional remote built into this cable whereas with Airpods all you 
> can do is to answer/hang up a call, invoke SIRI and pause playback by taking 
> them out of your ear, there is no way to control volume unless you bring up 
> SIRI to raise or lower the volume. Otherwise you have to use the iPhone 
> itself for volume, skip/rewind, play/pause etc.
> I am definitely waiting to see what the next generation of Airpods bring, I’m 
> pretty sure they’ll also come out with the second generation this fall and 
> hopefully Apple for once listened to what the customers want which definitely 
> is volume control and at least the basic functions of rewind and skip and I’d 
> love to see a small hole molded in the plastic which would allow you to 
> connect a cord so it’s not quite as easy to loose one. And of course Apple 
> could make said cord in 10 different colours for 5 Cents, sell it as the 
> “Aircord” for $9.99 and add a bit more cash to the quarter trillion Dollars 
> they already have on hand.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: AirPods versus the free EarPods
>  
> Hi Mary,
>  
> I pretty much agree with Michael. I love the AirPods. They sound just as good 
> as my Bose headphone did. The batteries last for about 5 hours which isn't 
> too bad. My husband also says that he can't hear them much when they are in 
> my ears, so they are pretty quiet for that. Hope this helps you a bit.
>  
> Jenn 
> 
> Jenn and Kumi
> 
> On May 29, 2017, at 9:25 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent hi all,
> I am considering the possible purchase of AirPods. I don't like earr buds in 
> general and I have never been impressed with the EarPods the Apple include 
> with its phone. For those of you who have both, are the AirPods really 
> better? Or is it just nice electronics with the same old less than wonderful 
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> Mary
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Re: iPad pro if one already has an iPhone.

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, personally it is worth getting the iPad if you are blind. Larger screens 
means easier navigation and better typing, still a bluetooth keyboard will 
always be the best I now think thanks to my own acquisition of the Magic 
Keyboard from Apple. Also, take account of the sound quality, although it may 
not matter with the iPhone 6 and later.
> On 28 May 2017, at 14:47, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> I was thinking of purchasing an iPad pro 9.7-inch as well as my iPhone.
> 
> The question is is it worth having an iPad if one is totally blind?
> 
> Or would I be better off sticking with my iPhone 7?
> 
> Thanks for any insight.
> 
> Kind regards,
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Deleting a folder.

[cmohney1961]

Good afternoon all.  
I'm using an iPhone 6s.  I have things arranged in folders.  Is there any way 
to delete a folder without having to delete each app individually?  Thank you 
for your assistance.

Connie

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Re: Deleting a folder.

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, no there is not, you have to move all the apps out of the folder before 
it disappears.
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> Good afternoon all.  
> I'm using an iPhone 6s.  I have things arranged in folders.  Is there any way 
> to delete a folder without having to delete each app individually?  Thank you 
> for your assistance.
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Re: Deleting a folder.

[cmohney1961]

Thank you. Christopher.
I didn't see an option to delete the folder but thought I would ask anyway in 
case I missed the option.

Connie

Sent from my iPhone

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> Hello, no there is not, you have to move all the apps out of the folder 
> before it disappears.
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>> Thank you for your assistance.
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Re: making voice over louder

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, that should work, start reading and turn up the volume.
> On 27 May 2017, at 19:39, regina alvarado  wrote:
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> How do you turn up voice over? I thought it was starting reading and up 
> volume. I have a friend who is having difficulty getting voice over turned 
> up, and she cannot do the motion for the rotor. Thanks for any help. Maybe I 
> am telling her an incorrect way to do this?
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Re: AirPods versus the free EarPods

[Robin Frost]

Hi Sieghard,
thanks for mentioning the Beats x I’ll have to check them out.  I think I’m the 
only person who can’t wear the earpods that ship with iPhones and thus I 
suppose by extension the air pods as they’re just not comfortable in my wee 
ears no matter what I do.
Robin


From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 12:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: AirPods versus the free EarPods

I have tried Airpods at an Apple Store and spend a good 15 minutes listening to 
various types of music as well as a bit of an audio book. I agree that they 
sound slightly better than Earpods, but I wouldn’t say that is a “Wow 
experience” type difference and the fit is exactly the same, think of the 
earpods with the cable cut off at the end of the little plastic part that 
sticks down.

It’s interesting how perception differs, I think the wired Apple Earpods are by 
far the best sounding earbuds that are not noise-isolating and especially in 
that price range. I also have a pair of $200 V-Mota over the ear headphones 
with beautiful soft leather earcups and they sound great, but they definitely 
don’t sound 6 times as good. I have a feeling if you don’t like Earpods that 
Airpods may also not be to your liking and you might want to look at something 
like the new Beats X which are actually a bit less expensive and they have a 
cord/cable connecting the two earbuds and there is a fully functional remote 
built into this cable whereas with Airpods all you can do is to answer/hang up 
a call, invoke SIRI and pause playback by taking them out of your ear, there is 
no way to control volume unless you bring up SIRI to raise or lower the volume. 
Otherwise you have to use the iPhone itself for volume, skip/rewind, play/pause 
etc.

I am definitely waiting to see what the next generation of Airpods bring, I’m 
pretty sure they’ll also come out with the second generation this fall and 
hopefully Apple for once listened to what the customers want which definitely 
is volume control and at least the basic functions of rewind and skip and I’d 
love to see a small hole molded in the plastic which would allow you to connect 
a cord so it’s not quite as easy to loose one. And of course Apple could make 
said cord in 10 different colours for 5 Cents, sell it as the “Aircord” for 
$9.99 and add a bit more cash to the quarter trillion Dollars they already have 
on hand.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jennie Facer
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 9:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: AirPods versus the free EarPods

 

Hi Mary,

 

I pretty much agree with Michael. I love the AirPods. They sound just as good 
as my Bose headphone did. The batteries last for about 5 hours which isn't too 
bad. My husband also says that he can't hear them much when they are in my 
ears, so they are pretty quiet for that. Hope this helps you a bit.

 

Jenn 

Jenn and Kumi


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  Sent hi all,
  I am considering the possible purchase of AirPods. I don't like earr buds in 
general and I have never been impressed with the EarPods the Apple include with 
its phone. For those of you who have both, are the AirPods really better? Or is 
it just nice electronics with the same old less than wonderful sound? I have 
great headphones. But they cover the ears, and I don't think I want to wear 
them for hours on end.
  Mary
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Deleting things in safari in pages and book marks.

[cmohney1961]

Is there a way to delete things in book marks and pages in safari?  Thank you.

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Re: WhatsApp or FaceTime: Keeping up with a Friend from Germany

[Robert Doc Wright]

I have a friend in South Africa and we speak a lot via What's app. I have 
had no problems.
- Original Message - 
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Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 8:16 PM
Subject: WhatsApp or FaceTime: Keeping up with a Friend from Germany



Hello, everyone.

A friend of mine from Germany is visiting the U.S. for a few weeks and
has brought her iPhone with her.  She does not have a data plan for
the States, and my phone plan does not allow me to phone a German
mobile phone at a low cost.  We are considering FaceTime or WhatsApp
as a way to keep in touch.  I am rather wary of WhatsApp since I have
heard reports that its address book sharing can introduce malware into
the iPhone.  I have no idea if these reports are credible.  Does
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scenario such as the one I have described?  Note that we are not
interested in exchanging any video component, just voice data.

Thank you for all help.

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RE: WhatsApp or FaceTime: Keeping up with a Friend from Germany

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I have had Whats App on my iPhone for many years and while I don't use it a lot 
I never had any issues.
In any case, if Facetime is an option then why not use it, it's already there 
on your phone without installing anything else, you can use SIRI to ask to call 
somebody either using Facetime or Facetime Audio and you can use iMessage. OK, 
I guess since iOS 10 you can also use SIRI to ask to call somebody via Whats 
App, but still I would use Facetime if all parties who need to call or be 
called have an iPhone.
Tell your german friend "Sieghard aus Steinau sagt Hallo".
Is she blind? Just curious because if she is she may have gone to the German 
Secondary School for the Blind in Marburg where I also went and did my Grade 13.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Subject: WhatsApp or FaceTime: Keeping up with a Friend from Germany

Hello, everyone.

A friend of mine from Germany is visiting the U.S. for a few weeks and has 
brought her iPhone with her.  She does not have a data plan for the States, and 
my phone plan does not allow me to phone a German mobile phone at a low cost.  
We are considering FaceTime or WhatsApp as a way to keep in touch.  I am rather 
wary of WhatsApp since I have heard reports that its address book sharing can 
introduce malware into the iPhone.  I have no idea if these reports are 
credible.  Does anyone have any experience with comparing FaceTime and WhatsApp 
in a scenario such as the one I have described?  Note that we are not 
interested in exchanging any video component, just voice data.

Thank you for all help.

Craig

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RE: WhatsApp or FaceTime: Keeping up with a Friend from Germany

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Now regarding sound quality I think that is subjective, personally I can't tell 
a difference in quality whether it's Facetime Audio, Whats App or Skype. Where 
you can tell a huge difference is if you send a voice message via Whats App and 
via iMessage. I really can't understand why Apple who normally are all about 
quality and sound quality especially make iMessages sound like you are 
listening to a message recorded on an old micro tape answering machine. Whats 
App messages sound perfect and one of my friends in Germany and I always use 
Facetime when we want to talk just because we both have iPhones and it seems 
the natural thing to do, but if we leave each other a voice message we use 
Whats App just because iMessage sounds so horrible. Apple should really be 
ashamed that they haven't improved this after having introduced the feature I 
think 3 years ago now or maybe it was already in iOS 7 which was 4 years ago.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Cris Ali
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 8:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WhatsApp or FaceTime: Keeping up with a Friend from Germany

I use face time a lot.  I find it more reliable, and the sound quality is 
superior to whatsapp or facebook messenger.  
Cheers,
Cris
I never tried to compare the data usage to know if it uses more or less data.

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Craig Werner
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 10:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: WhatsApp or FaceTime: Keeping up with a Friend from Germany

Hello, everyone.

A friend of mine from Germany is visiting the U.S. for a few weeks and has 
brought her iPhone with her.  She does not have a data plan for the States, and 
my phone plan does not allow me to phone a German mobile phone at a low cost.  
We are considering FaceTime or WhatsApp as a way to keep in touch.  I am rather 
wary of WhatsApp since I have heard reports that its address book sharing can 
introduce malware into the iPhone.  I have no idea if these reports are 
credible.  Does anyone have any experience with comparing FaceTime and WhatsApp 
in a scenario such as the one I have described?  Note that we are not 
interested in exchanging any video component, just voice data.

Thank you for all help.

Craig

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RE: Apple-TV Manual

[Sieghard Weitzel]

A Google search for “accessible Apple TV user guide” gave me the following link 
as the first search result:
https://support.apple.com/en-gb/accessibility/tv
Once the page loads and if you don’t want to read any of what’s there, just 
pull up all the links with Jaws Key+F7 (if you use Jaws that is) and look for 
the link “See the Apple TV User Guide”.



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Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 6:19 PM
To: ViPhoneList 
Subject: Apple-TV Manual

Hi all,

I just purchased a latest version 64 bit Apple-TV.  Does anyone know where I 
might obtain an accessible copy of the manual for the unit?  Thank you.

Take care,
Ed Przybylek

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RE: making voice over louder

[Chip Orange]

Yes, the start VO reading and then use of the arrow keys to change volume for 
me has never worked to change the VO volume relative to other sounds; it only 
turns up the general volume of everything.  Strange I know, since so many 
others recommend this method.

Chip


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Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 2:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: making voice over louder

If she cannot do the rotor, the first thing I would have her do is go into the 
VoiceOver settings, Audio, and turn on audio ducking.
That way, other audio volumes will be lowered while VoiceOver is talking.  That 
may help a little.
Otherwise, other than the medthod you described by starting VoiceOver reading 
and hitting the up volume button is the best way to turn it up.
Or, have someone else check that Volume is in the rotor, have them turn the 
rotor to volume and flick up with one finger until it is at 100%.  You may get 
some distortion at that point, but she could see if that helps.
Or, if she has a Bluetooth keyboard, the rotor can be done by pressing the 
right arrow plus the up arrow to turn it clockwise, or left arrow plus up arrow 
to turn counter clockwise.

HTH,
Richard


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regina alvarado
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 11:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: making voice over louder

How do you turn up voice over? I thought it was starting reading and up volume. 
I have a friend who is having difficulty getting voice over turned up, and she 
cannot do the motion for the rotor. Thanks for any help. Maybe I am telling her 
an incorrect way to do this?



Reggie and Lex

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RE: IOS latest

[Chip Orange]

For me, I am now having problems using Siri to launch apps which have names 
made up of two or more words.  I’m not quite sure when this problem was 
introduced however.

 

An example is that I can no longer launch KNFB reader using Siri.

 

Chip

 

 

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M.Nelson
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 12:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IOS latest

 

It was reported that the latest update is available but I have not heard if 
anyone has anything to say about it. Is there any noticeable improvement or 
problem? I am assuming there is neither and my phones are nagging at me to 
install the update. so...?

Thanks, Marie

 

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Re: AirPods versus the free EarPods

[Peter Logan]

Just a point of clarification...You can turn volume up and down ..pause ... 
skip ... etc.by tapping on the air pod and saying such .. ie...  voule up 
...volume down ...pause...skiptback... next track.. etc.

I have the air pods and I think the sound is better than the wired ear pods, 
although not 5X better ..  I didn't like the Beats X as I found the sound not 
as good .. so I sent them back.. but give them a try .. you might like 
them.Sound is such an objective thing ...


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 29, 2017, at 4:13 PM, Robin Frost  wrote:
> 
> Hi Sieghard,
> thanks for mentioning the Beats x I’ll have to check them out.  I think I’m 
> the only person who can’t wear the earpods that ship with iPhones and thus I 
> suppose by extension the air pods as they’re just not comfortable in my wee 
> ears no matter what I do.
> Robin
>  
>  
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 12:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: AirPods versus the free EarPods
>  
> I have tried Airpods at an Apple Store and spend a good 15 minutes listening 
> to various types of music as well as a bit of an audio book. I agree that 
> they sound slightly better than Earpods, but I wouldn’t say that is a “Wow 
> experience” type difference and the fit is exactly the same, think of the 
> earpods with the cable cut off at the end of the little plastic part that 
> sticks down.
> It’s interesting how perception differs, I think the wired Apple Earpods are 
> by far the best sounding earbuds that are not noise-isolating and especially 
> in that price range. I also have a pair of $200 V-Mota over the ear 
> headphones with beautiful soft leather earcups and they sound great, but they 
> definitely don’t sound 6 times as good. I have a feeling if you don’t like 
> Earpods that Airpods may also not be to your liking and you might want to 
> look at something like the new Beats X which are actually a bit less 
> expensive and they have a cord/cable connecting the two earbuds and there is 
> a fully functional remote built into this cable whereas with Airpods all you 
> can do is to answer/hang up a call, invoke SIRI and pause playback by taking 
> them out of your ear, there is no way to control volume unless you bring up 
> SIRI  to raise or lower the volume. Otherwise you have to use the iPhone 
> itself for volume, skip/rewind, play/pause etc.
> I am definitely waiting to see what the next generation of Airpods bring, I’m 
> pretty sure they’ll also come out with the second generation this fall and 
> hopefully Apple for once listened to what the customers want which definitely 
> is volume control and at least the basic functions of rewind and skip and I’d 
> love to see a small hole molded in the plastic which would allow you to 
> connect a cord so it’s not quite as easy to loose one. And of course Apple 
> could make said cord in 10 different colours for 5 Cents, sell it as the 
> “Aircord” for $9.99 and add a bit more cash to the quarter trillion Dollars 
> they already have on hand.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jennie Facer
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 9:09 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: AirPods versus the free EarPods
>  
> Hi Mary,
>  
> I pretty much agree with Michael. I love the AirPods. They sound just as good 
> as my Bose headphone did. The batteries last for about 5 hours which isn't 
> too bad. My husband also says that he can't hear them much when they are in 
> my ears, so they are pretty quiet for that. Hope this helps you a bit.
>  
> Jenn
> 
> Jenn and Kumi
> 
> On May 29, 2017, at 9:25 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent hi all,
> I am considering the possible purchase of AirPods. I don't like earr buds in 
> general and I have never been impressed with the EarPods the Apple include 
> with its phone. For those of you who have both, are the AirPods really 
> better? Or is it just nice electronics with the same old less than wonderful 
> sound? I have great headphones. But they cover the ears, and I don't think I 
> want to wear them for hours on end.
> Mary
> from my iPhone
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RE: AirPods versus the free EarPods

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Peter,

Yes, I did mention you can ask SIRI to adjust volume, but to me that is not 
enough. I tried this in the store when I tried the Airpods and what I can do 
with my little in-line remote on the Earpods in 1.5 or 2 seconds takes me 10 
seconds on the Airpods using SIRI especially if you don’t get it right the 
first or second time, you have to each time get SIRI to listen and tell it to 
increase or lower the volume or try with a percentage. Also, there are just 
situations when, for example, I might be sitting somewhere quiet waiting like 
maybe at a doctor’s office when I might listen to music or a book and I’d feel 
pretty stupid if I had this little conversation with SIRI like “Increase 
volume”, “Increase volume”, “Increase volume” or “Set volume to 60%” then if 
it’s too much or not enough “Increase volume” or “Set volume to 70%” etc.
For what Apple charges for these things they simply should have these controls, 
I am definitely not the only one who thinks so and I can almost guaranty that 
they will have these control in generation 2 or 3, it’s just a matter of time.

Just out of curiocity, what is with the double period at the end of eeach 
sentence, do you put it there on purpose or is it something that happens when 
dictating or typing on a bluetooth keyboard?

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Peter Logan
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 3:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: AirPods versus the free EarPods

Just a point of clarification...You can turn volume up and down ..pause ... 
skip ... etc.by tapping on the air pod and saying such .. ie...  voule up 
...volume down ...pause...skiptback... next track.. etc.

I have the air pods and I think the sound is better than the wired ear pods, 
although not 5X better ..  I didn't like the Beats X as I found the sound not 
as good .. so I sent them back.. but give them a try .. you might like 
them.Sound is such an objective thing ...


Sent from my iPhone

On May 29, 2017, at 4:13 PM, Robin Frost 
> wrote:
Hi Sieghard,
thanks for mentioning the Beats x I’ll have to check them out.  I think I’m the 
only person who can’t wear the earpods that ship with iPhones and thus I 
suppose by extension the air pods as they’re just not comfortable in my wee 
ears no matter what I do.
Robin


From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 12:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: AirPods versus the free EarPods

I have tried Airpods at an Apple Store and spend a good 15 minutes listening to 
various types of music as well as a bit of an audio book. I agree that they 
sound slightly better than Earpods, but I wouldn’t say that is a “Wow 
experience” type difference and the fit is exactly the same, think of the 
earpods with the cable cut off at the end of the little plastic part that 
sticks down.
It’s interesting how perception differs, I think the wired Apple Earpods are by 
far the best sounding earbuds that are not noise-isolating and especially in 
that price range. I also have a pair of $200 V-Mota over the ear headphones 
with beautiful soft leather earcups and they sound great, but they definitely 
don’t sound 6 times as good. I have a feeling if you don’t like Earpods that 
Airpods may also not be to your liking and you might want to look at something 
like the new Beats X which are actually a bit less expensive and they have a 
cord/cable connecting the two earbuds and there is a fully functional remote 
built into this cable whereas with Airpods all you can do is to answer/hang up 
a call, invoke SIRI and pause playback by taking them out of your ear, there is 
no way to control volume unless you bring up SIRI to raise or lower the volume. 
Otherwise you have to use the iPhone itself for volume, skip/rewind, play/pause 
etc.
I am definitely waiting to see what the next generation of Airpods bring, I’m 
pretty sure they’ll also come out with the second generation this fall and 
hopefully Apple for once listened to what the customers want which definitely 
is volume control and at least the basic functions of rewind and skip and I’d 
love to see a small hole molded in the plastic which would allow you to connect 
a cord so it’s not quite as easy to loose one. And of course Apple could make 
said cord in 10 different colours for 5 Cents, sell it as the “Aircord” for 
$9.99 and add a bit more cash to the quarter trillion Dollars they already have 
on hand.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jennie Facer
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 9:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: AirPods versus the free EarPods

Hi Mary,

I pretty much agree with Michael. I love the AirPods. They sound just as good 
as my Bose headphone did. The batteries last for about 5 hours 

re: deleting a playlist on the iPhone 7

[Wayne Scott]

Go to the "More button.  Flick right until you hear delete 
playlist and follow the prompts.


- Original Message -
From: "denise avant" 

RE: IOS latest

[Mike Ulrich]

I’ve noticed that too Chip. So when I wanto to open it with Seri; I say open 
KNFB.

This might of come about with my downloading and installing 10.3.2?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 7:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS latest

 

For me, I am now having problems using Siri to launch apps which have names 
made up of two or more words.  I’m not quite sure when this problem was 
introduced however.

 

An example is that I can no longer launch KNFB reader using Siri.

 

Chip

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M.Nelson
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 12:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IOS latest

 

It was reported that the latest update is available but I have not heard if 
anyone has anything to say about it. Is there any noticeable improvement or 
problem? I am assuming there is neither and my phones are nagging at me to 
install the update. so...?

Thanks, Marie

 

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