Re: [Vo]:superconductors and laser light
This was the conclusion I arrived at as well, after reading Lou's many posts. And this was the thought I tried to convey to Guenter in his 600C eCat thread. Basically, if your NAE is a transition metal lattice; i.e. Cracks (Storms), or Patches (WL) or any other structures (Hagelstein), you would not be able to achieve High Temp operation. With Carbon Nanostructures such as nanotubes and graphene, thermal stability of your NAE is not a problem. These Carbon nanostructures are just amazing. They seem to have all the critical ingredients to host a NAE. Carbon nanostructure-based LENR, which I call LENR2, is the way to go. Jojo - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:superconductors and laser light Re: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1106.4323.pdf I scanned through it fast. It was surprising. The bottom line to what this author is saying is as follows: These experimental data cannot be explained by ballistic transport but are consistent with phase-incoherent ultrahigh temperature (1050 K or 776 C) superconductivity. Now that is very hot. This is because the anomalous magnetic properties shown by iron impurities in this experiment cannot be explained by existing physics models except for the paramagnetic Meissner effect due to the existence of ultrahigh temperature superconductivity in the multi-walled carbon nanotubes. So if nanotubes can be used in LENR, very high temperatures are possible, but it is still very hard to believe. Any opinion? Cheers: Axil On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 11:47 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Axil, That's true - I posted that arxiv.org reference a while back, but the book chapter was also open access a couple of hours ago. I downloaded it. Strange that it was sealed off so quickly. Same lead author. Contents are a bit different and more current for those who don't mind the expense. Axil^2 wrote: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1106.4323.pdf This is an open access paper on the subject. Cheers: Axil On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 5:53 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Eric, This may not be directly relevant, but I just found this interesting book chapter and I do not want to start a new thread on superconductivity - Novel Magnetic and Electrical Properties of Carbon Nanotubes: Consistent with Ultrahigh Temperature Superconductivity http://www.crcnetbase.com/doi/abs/10.1201/b11989-11 -- Lou Pagnucco Eric Walker wrote: These two articles are suggestive when read in conjunction with one another: http://phys.org/news/2012-07-synchrotrons-superconductors-cold.html The team found the first experimental evidence that a so-called 'charge-density-wave instability' competes with superconductivity. http://phys.org/news/2011-01-material-superconductor.html#nRlv This must mean that they [electrons] were essentially already synched in the non-superconductor, but something was preventing them from sliding around with zero resistance. The precisely tuned laser light removes the frustration, unlocking the superconductivity. Eric
[Vo]:Harping on the Right Things!
Hey Gang, A while back, I was harping on the use of sparks for LENR reactors. I remember quite a vigorous exchange of ideas as to why sparks may be or may not be a critical component. There was discussion as to whether RF or sparks was the important thing. I was speculating that the temp. spike we find in DGT charts were the result of sparks firing and rapidly increasing the temp of the H2 and then rapidly dropping it again. I speculated that sparks was the mechanism for modulating the reaction rates in DGT's reactors. Well, after the publication of DGT's pictures of their reactors, we find not 1 but 2 spark plugs. But even with the evidence, we still had a few people here questioning the sparks. There was speculation that the spark plugs were being used to plug a hole only, and serve as a high pressure/high temp plug only; which to me was ludicruous as we find a host of other thermocouple connections that could serve the same purpose. Anyways, it turned out I was right about sparks being a critical ingredient. Then I harped on Rossi's rationale for shifting to a fat-Cat design. I speculated that this was Rossi's attempt to try to achieve more efficient and consistent spark delivery. I then continued on and speculated that this design was probably a CVD reactor in disguise. I speculated that the goal was to grow Carbon Nanostructures on a nickel substrate. Well, evidence seems to be accumulating on that front as well. We find out that nickel use was reduced to a few grams (consistent with nickel being used as growth catalyst for Carbon nanostructures. not as a metal lattice for hosting a NAE.) Then we found out his gen 2 reactors did not have hydrogen canisters anymore. (Consistent with using a hydrocarbon gas to grow Carbon Nanostructures and wth concurrent release of free hydrogen ions. as used in CVD reactors.) Then we find out high temp (600c) operation, which was consistent with a NAE that is thermally stable. This is also the temp where CVD reactors work at. More importantly, this gen 2 Rossi eCats did not experience thermal runways. This is consitent with a reaction mechanism which was totally different from his earlier thermionic catalyst based reactor. So, evidence is mounting everyday regarding the use of Carbon Nanostructures. The point of this post is simply this. We here in the collective should try to focus on understanding this new mechanism, e.g. Carbon Nanostructure-based LENR - LENR2. Let's not waste our time discussing the theory, evidences, possibilities of older LENR paradigms such as FP, and others. LENR mechanisms are old, let's get on with LENR2. If we can get just half of the brain power in this collective to study LENR2, that would go a long ways in advancing the state of LENR research. Jojo
Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:40 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: This is the sort of thing that makes me think that the primary energy release mode is via fast particles, e.g. protons, alphas, or even heavier nuclei (from a clean fission reaction). These don't usually produce much in the way of gamma radiation. Fast electrons may also be produced that would produce some x-rays that may be reported as gammas. What are ways, known or hypothesized, to preferentially get fast particles? Also, what are your impressions of Boris Ivlev's interference thesis? http://arxiv.org/pdf/1207.2357.pdf Eric
Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect
I wrote: What are ways, known or hypothesized, to preferentially get fast particles? Sorry about this question -- this is sort of the big one, I suppose. There's catalysis of helium by way of fractional hydrogen, for example. You may have even already answered this question. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things!
At the WM ILENRS-12 symposium, I was told that what is used by DGT and is shown in their pictures were not spark plugs, but actually were glow plugs. I was also told that DGT was having reliability problems with these devices. If true, how does this change the thinking about what DGT is using to stimulate/quench their reaction to form it into controlled pulses? Bob On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 2:43 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Hey Gang, A while back, I was harping on the use of sparks for LENR reactors. I remember quite a vigorous exchange of ideas as to why sparks may be or may not be a critical component. There was discussion as to whether RF or sparks was the important thing. I was speculating that the temp. spike we find in DGT charts were the result of sparks firing and rapidly increasing the temp of the H2 and then rapidly dropping it again. I speculated that sparks was the mechanism for modulating the reaction rates in DGT's reactors. Well, after the publication of DGT's pictures of their reactors, we find not 1 but 2 spark plugs. But even with the evidence, we still had a few people here questioning the sparks. There was speculation that the spark plugs were being used to plug a hole only, and serve as a high pressure/high temp plug only; which to me was ludicruous as we find a host of other thermocouple connections that could serve the same purpose. Anyways, it turned out I was right about sparks being a critical ingredient. Then I harped on Rossi's rationale for shifting to a fat-Cat design. I speculated that this was Rossi's attempt to try to achieve more efficient and consistent spark delivery. I then continued on and speculated that this design was probably a CVD reactor in disguise. I speculated that the goal was to grow Carbon Nanostructures on a nickel substrate. Well, evidence seems to be accumulating on that front as well. We find out that nickel use was reduced to a few grams (consistent with nickel being used as growth catalyst for Carbon nanostructures. not as a metal lattice for hosting a NAE.) Then we found out his gen 2 reactors did not have hydrogen canisters anymore. (Consistent with using a hydrocarbon gas to grow Carbon Nanostructures and wth concurrent release of free hydrogen ions. as used in CVD reactors.) Then we find out high temp (600c) operation, which was consistent with a NAE that is thermally stable. This is also the temp where CVD reactors work at. More importantly, this gen 2 Rossi eCats did not experience thermal runways. This is consitent with a reaction mechanism which was totally different from his earlier thermionic catalyst based reactor. So, evidence is mounting everyday regarding the use of Carbon Nanostructures. The point of this post is simply this. We here in the collective should try to focus on understanding this new mechanism, e.g. Carbon Nanostructure-based LENR - LENR2. Let's not waste our time discussing the theory, evidences, possibilities of older LENR paradigms such as FP, and others. LENR mechanisms are old, let's get on with LENR2. If we can get just half of the brain power in this collective to study LENR2, that would go a long ways in advancing the state of LENR research. Jojo -- Regards, Bob Higgins
Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things!
Doesn't look like glow plugs: http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8rh=n%3A15729261page=1 attachment: DGT_Spark.jpg
Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things!
Who told you this? Somebody from DGT itself? Or someone else from the outside? Is this one of those hearsay again? And this person who told you this actually saw those devices or is he just speculating like the rest of us? Name Please? or does he prefer to be anonymous? LOL ... Those pictures were definitely spark plugs. I've never seen glow plug like that before. The heating end of glow plugs are constructed differently. Could this be another attempt at misdirection? Jojo - Original Message - From: Bob Higgins To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things! At the WM ILENRS-12 symposium, I was told that what is used by DGT and is shown in their pictures were not spark plugs, but actually were glow plugs. I was also told that DGT was having reliability problems with these devices. If true, how does this change the thinking about what DGT is using to stimulate/quench their reaction to form it into controlled pulses? Bob On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 2:43 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: Hey Gang, A while back, I was harping on the use of sparks for LENR reactors. I remember quite a vigorous exchange of ideas as to why sparks may be or may not be a critical component. There was discussion as to whether RF or sparks was the important thing. I was speculating that the temp. spike we find in DGT charts were the result of sparks firing and rapidly increasing the temp of the H2 and then rapidly dropping it again. I speculated that sparks was the mechanism for modulating the reaction rates in DGT's reactors. Well, after the publication of DGT's pictures of their reactors, we find not 1 but 2 spark plugs. But even with the evidence, we still had a few people here questioning the sparks. There was speculation that the spark plugs were being used to plug a hole only, and serve as a high pressure/high temp plug only; which to me was ludicruous as we find a host of other thermocouple connections that could serve the same purpose. Anyways, it turned out I was right about sparks being a critical ingredient. Then I harped on Rossi's rationale for shifting to a fat-Cat design. I speculated that this was Rossi's attempt to try to achieve more efficient and consistent spark delivery. I then continued on and speculated that this design was probably a CVD reactor in disguise. I speculated that the goal was to grow Carbon Nanostructures on a nickel substrate. Well, evidence seems to be accumulating on that front as well. We find out that nickel use was reduced to a few grams (consistent with nickel being used as growth catalyst for Carbon nanostructures. not as a metal lattice for hosting a NAE.) Then we found out his gen 2 reactors did not have hydrogen canisters anymore. (Consistent with using a hydrocarbon gas to grow Carbon Nanostructures and wth concurrent release of free hydrogen ions. as used in CVD reactors.) Then we find out high temp (600c) operation, which was consistent with a NAE that is thermally stable. This is also the temp where CVD reactors work at. More importantly, this gen 2 Rossi eCats did not experience thermal runways. This is consitent with a reaction mechanism which was totally different from his earlier thermionic catalyst based reactor. So, evidence is mounting everyday regarding the use of Carbon Nanostructures. The point of this post is simply this. We here in the collective should try to focus on understanding this new mechanism, e.g. Carbon Nanostructure-based LENR - LENR2. Let's not waste our time discussing the theory, evidences, possibilities of older LENR paradigms such as FP, and others. LENR mechanisms are old, let's get on with LENR2. If we can get just half of the brain power in this collective to study LENR2, that would go a long ways in advancing the state of LENR research. Jojo -- Regards, Bob Higgins
[Vo]:termites moving in and climate change
When I was a kid I asked my father about termites. He said they were not much of a problem around Johnstown as the climate was to cold. A few days of well below zero weather seemed to freeze them out. He said, Just down the hill and a little south in Antoona they were a problem. They have now arrived in Johnstown with a vengeance. Many homeowners have had an unexpected and unwelcome surprise. Has the climate warmed up enough to let this happen? Are they a new strain of foreign subterranean termite? Things are happening everywhere with climate change, you just have to look around in you local to notice. Frank Z
Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things!
no spark gap on the photo, seems right. whether a glow or spark plug is a very important detail if a spark plug is needed, there is a needed quantity of energy that have to be electric, and this limit the COP. if only heat is used, that mean that the reactor itself, or another reactor, can provide the heat, so the COP can have no limit else the insulation and controllability 2012/7/15 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com Doesn't look like glow plugs: http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8rh=n%3A15729261page=1
Re: [Vo]:termites moving in and climate change
There is no significant difference in climate between Johnstown and Altoona. http://www.climate-charts.com/USA-Stations/PA/PA364385.php http://www.climate-charts.com/USA-Stations/PA/PA360130.php And Altoona is a little bit cooler, a little bit farther north, and a little higher in elevation, but the towns are only 20 miles apart. Craig On 07/15/2012 09:49 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: When I was a kid I asked my father about termites. He said they were not much of a problem around Johnstown as the climate was to cold. A few days of well below zero weather seemed to freeze them out. He said, Just down the hill and a little south in Antoona they were a problem. They have now arrived in Johnstown with a vengeance. Many homeowners have had an unexpected and unwelcome surprise. Has the climate warmed up enough to let this happen? Are they a new strain of foreign subterranean termite? Things are happening everywhere with climate change, you just have to look around in you local to notice. Frank Z
[Vo]:DCE nanomagnetism
This article below is about information storage - not energy, but it is relevant in mentioning the subfield of “superparamagnetism”… which is part of an evolving hypothesis for non-nuclear gain. It can be combined with DCE (the dynamical Casimir effect) to account for net thermal gain in Ni-H reactions (or thermal loss), or in purely magnetic systems, without radioactivity. All of these details are features of a “nanomagnetic approach” based on active particle geometry and oscillation around a phase-change (or Curie temp). http://www.energy-daily.com/reports/Nature_Molecule_Changes_Magnetism_and_Co nductance_999.html DCE, the dynamical Casimir effect was introduced by Julian Schwinger in 1992: “Casimir Energy for Dielectrics,” Proc. Nat. Acad. Sci. USA 89 4091–3. Although he was later to become a proponent of cold fusion, it is not clear to what extent Schwinger himself was fully promoting DCE as an alternative explanation for non-nuclear gain (or else predecessor condition for nuclear reactions). He simply did not have all the pieces to the puzzle then. When one looks deeper at the Ni-H “miracle” and at nano geometry, then a major thermal anomaly begins to look minor, even mundane in the sense of being fully explained as a higher level of probability in Quantum mechanical effects … except for the ultimate source of energy, of course. This is where HF ⇔ ZPE comes in. Of course it is too soon to equate the Higgs field with ZPE, but the implication is so alluring that it cannot be overlooked, especially in the coincidence of 64Ni being close to half the mass-energy of the field boson. In addition to electron tunneling QM effects such as the Lamb shift turn up… not to mention spintronics. Both the Lamb Shift, superparamagnetism, and the DCE portend anomalous heating AND anomalous cooling. All you need is the right material at the right geometry. The possibility of thermal loss is a surprise to many observers. The Lamb shift is a small difference in energy between two energy levels of the hydrogen atom in quantum electrodynamics (QED). It is basically a spin flip. It was the harbinger of modern QED as developed by Schwinger and others. The Lamb shift is tiny in each instance, but lattice phonons move a terahertz frequencies and higher, so the “transaction rate” for tiny incremental gain or loss in contained hydrogen, due to the Lamb shift, is staggering… same with the dynamical Casimir effect of photons, as the two fit like hand-in-glove. All one needs to realize either anomaly over time is to impose asymmetry in a lasting way. Magnets are good at that. Superparamagnetism is a form of magnetism, and can appear in ferromagnetic, ferrimagnetic, and/or multiferroic nanoparticles. Google has a decent article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiferroics). In properly sized materials containing nickel, for instance, magnetization can flip rapidly under the influence of temperature around a threshold level and with asymmetric gain or loss. The typical time between flips is called the Néel relaxation time. In the absence of external magnetic field, the flip time of the nanoparticles is considerably longer than the polarized Néel relaxation time. This is why a magnetic field can help with excess thermal gain or loss - in the superparamagnetic state. In this state, an external magnetic field is able to re orient of remagnetize the nanoparticles after the spin flip, similarly to what happens in paramagnetism, but with higher magnetic susceptibility and short lag time. Jones attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things!
Let's put this misdirection attempt to rest once and for all. A glow plug requires low voltage to heat. (Usually between a few volts to 6 volts.) A glow plug does not require a tall ceramic insulatior. A glow plug has a long elongated cylinderical tube that contains the heating element inside. The pictures Terry posted from Amazon are glow plugs. A spark plug requires a tall insulator to prevent volatage leakage since it is fired using high voltages. A spark plug will have a long threaded part (f it is long reach), and a small gap at the end. The picture in DGT document is a spark plug. Any mechanic Joe blow will tell you that. Notice the tall ceramic insulator. I wonder what motivation people have in spreading this misdirection? Unbelievable how people can lie to your face nowadays and keep it cool. Unbelievable. BTW, a spark plug fired at 300 hz (18,000 RPM) will draw less than 100 watts. COP is not an issue if sparks are used. Jojo - Original Message - From: Alain Sepeda To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things! no spark gap on the photo, seems right. whether a glow or spark plug is a very important detail if a spark plug is needed, there is a needed quantity of energy that have to be electric, and this limit the COP. if only heat is used, that mean that the reactor itself, or another reactor, can provide the heat, so the COP can have no limit else the insulation and controllability 2012/7/15 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com Doesn't look like glow plugs: http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8rh=n%3A15729261page=1
Re: [Vo]:Rossi conspiracy. Part III
thank You, may I call You 'friends'? There are tough times ahead, and I feel responsible. Building our future on a possible chimera would be one of the worst things we could do. Boneheaded realists, phantasts, artists ... all have their role to play.. Whether we are a self-correcting lot -as 'humanity' or as 'vortex-gang' - is an open issue and requires continuous effort from all of us. (Consider this: the Chinese playing Go, the western countries playing chess. There is no agreed set of rules on a world scale, and rules and games interpenetrate. The 'winner' in such a case is the one with the more basic set of rules. No hierarchy in Go. Black is black and white is white. This is a deep issue!) LENR is too important an issue to not consider the probability that there are players in the game who play by completely different rules. To this I tried to give attention. Subtlety is not easily transported via the internet. Suddenly finding oneself like a deer in the spotlights is about the worst which can happen. As said: One can assign ANY probability to this, but it definitely is not zero. Guenter Von: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 4:53 Sonntag, 15.Juli 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Rossi conspiracy. Part III At 06:39 PM 7/14/2012, you wrote: I would think GW would associate Cohen's Everybody Knows with Rossi and LENR: Geez, is a real conversation starting up here on Vortex? Who would've thunk it?
Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things!
I did not even know what a glow plug is, I must admit. It is used to start a diesel engine. I think Terry is right and the photo shows a spark plug. People who were there told me it is a spark plug. They also said Defkalion is having trouble because the spark plugs often fail. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things!
You mention that the plugs often fail. Could this be due to clogging of the spark gap by particles of nickel metal that get melted by the intense heat of the spark? I assume that an engineering solution to this problem will come soon once identified. If I recall DGT has suggested that their process does not rely upon heat directly to control the energy output. A question was asked about the effects of the magnetic field associated with the drive current flow and they stated that they did not wish to answer that until later. That response leads me to believe that the magnetic field modulates the heat generation mechanism in some manner. Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Jul 15, 2012 11:29 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things! I did not even know what a glow plug is, I must admit. It is used to start a diesel engine. I think Terry is right and the photo shows a spark plug. People who were there told me it is a spark plug. They also said Defkalion is having trouble because the spark plugs often fail. - Jed
[Vo]:Synchronous Laser Electrons
The activation of electrons or protons by a laser or similar method begs a question. When these particles are working as a group are their motions synchronized in space? What I refer to in this question is the orientation of the movements that are organized by the outside source. For instance, are all the entangled particles moving along the same direction vector? If one electron of the group is moving along the X axis does that imply that all of them are? This is a fairly important issue with interesting implications if true. I am assuming that there is spatial distance along the Z axis and Y axis forming the equivalent shape of a cloud in space where the net movement is along the X axis. Dave
Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things!
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 6:11 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comwrote: At the WM ILENRS-12 symposium, I was told that what is used by DGT and is shown in their pictures were not spark plugs, but actually were glow plugs. I was also told that DGT was having reliability problems with these devices. If true, how does this change the thinking about what DGT is using to stimulate/quench their reaction to form it into controlled pulses? I suspect DGT are trying to operationalize the research of researchers such as A.B. Karabut and George Miley, who have seen anomalous heat under glow discharge. http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/KarabutABxrayemissi.pdf http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MileyGHintensenon.pdf Karabut has put together a number of glow discharge studies. Most of the ones that I have seen involve deuterium; but there may be some, by someone, who used hydrogen and nickel, that may have provided a starting point. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things!
There was no attempt at misdirection on my part - I was simply recounting what I was told at WM. However, I don't believe that the person who told me had direct first-hand knowledge, and while he may have been mistaken, I don't think he was intentionally trying to mislead me. At first, I didn't think the statement made much sense - what would glow plugs be used for in a situation where there is no combustion? But, and I have no idea what devices are available ... Is it possible that a glow plug may exist that could be used as a filament for electron discharge as in an electron tube? Such a glow plug might still need the ceramic HV insulation. Electron discharge in the chamber would be more active in the cell than just sparking a spark plug. I thought I would post it for comment. Bob On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Let's put this misdirection attempt to rest once and for all. A glow plug requires low voltage to heat. (Usually between a few volts to 6 volts.) A glow plug does not require a tall ceramic insulatior. A glow plug has a long elongated cylinderical tube that contains the heating element inside. The pictures Terry posted from Amazon are glow plugs. A spark plug requires a tall insulator to prevent volatage leakage since it is fired using high voltages. A spark plug will have a long threaded part (f it is long reach), and a small gap at the end. The picture in DGT document is a spark plug. Any mechanic Joe blow will tell you that. Notice the tall ceramic insulator. I wonder what motivation people have in spreading this misdirection? Unbelievable how people can lie to your face nowadays and keep it cool. Unbelievable. BTW, a spark plug fired at 300 hz (18,000 RPM) will draw less than 100 watts. COP is not an issue if sparks are used. Jojo - Original Message - *From:* Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2012 10:59 PM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things! no spark gap on the photo, seems right. whether a glow or spark plug is a very important detail if a spark plug is needed, there is a needed quantity of energy that have to be electric, and this limit the COP. if only heat is used, that mean that the reactor itself, or another reactor, can provide the heat, so the COP can have no limit else the insulation and controllability 2012/7/15 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com Doesn't look like glow plugs: http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8rh=n%3A15729261page=1 -- Regards, Bob Higgins
Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things!
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: ** I wonder what motivation people have in spreading this misdirection? Unbelievable how people can lie to your face nowadays and keep it cool. Unbelievable. Jojo, we don't need a conspiracy to explain this line of questioning. It's a legitimate question. Whether a spark plug is being used or whether there's glow discharge is something worth investigating, even if there is a good change the search will leads us back to spark plugs. The main reason the question is interesting is that there have been a large number of studies using glow discharge to produce anomalies heat. It is possible you could get a similar effect using spark plugs, even if the control mechanism is different. Eric
[Vo]:Got mass? Princeton scientists observe electrons become both heavy and speedy
Got mass? Princeton scientists observe electrons become both heavy and speedy http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S33/94/41S36/ It is remarkable to watch electrons moving in a crystal evolve into more massive particles as we cool them down, said Ali Yazdani, a professor of physics at Princeton and head of the team that conducted the study. This is consistent with my belief that inertia is form of coldness and that coldness is something substantively real rather than merely being the mere absence of heat. Harry
Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things!
If and only if that thing we saw in DGT pictures is a glow plug. It is clearly a spark plug and people still attempt to lie about it. Yes, glow discharge is a legitimate line of research; but that is NOT what we are seeing with DGT reactors. It is clearly a spark plug. - Original Message - From: Eric Walker To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things! On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: I wonder what motivation people have in spreading this misdirection? Unbelievable how people can lie to your face nowadays and keep it cool. Unbelievable. Jojo, we don't need a conspiracy to explain this line of questioning. It's a legitimate question. Whether a spark plug is being used or whether there's glow discharge is something worth investigating, even if there is a good change the search will leads us back to spark plugs. The main reason the question is interesting is that there have been a large number of studies using glow discharge to produce anomalies heat. It is possible you could get a similar effect using spark plugs, even if the control mechanism is different. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things!
BTW, if glow discharge is your goal, you wouldn't use a glow plug. In glow plugs, the heating element is encapsulated in a sheath. I am presuming you wouldn't want that in a glow discharge reactor? Jojo - Original Message - From: Eric Walker To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things! On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: I wonder what motivation people have in spreading this misdirection? Unbelievable how people can lie to your face nowadays and keep it cool. Unbelievable. Jojo, we don't need a conspiracy to explain this line of questioning. It's a legitimate question. Whether a spark plug is being used or whether there's glow discharge is something worth investigating, even if there is a good change the search will leads us back to spark plugs. The main reason the question is interesting is that there have been a large number of studies using glow discharge to produce anomalies heat. It is possible you could get a similar effect using spark plugs, even if the control mechanism is different. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things!
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: ** BTW, if glow discharge is your goal, you wouldn't use a glow plug. In glow plugs, the heating element is encapsulated in a sheath. I am presuming you wouldn't want that in a glow discharge reactor? You're seeing pure ignorance on my part. I don't know anything about spark plugs, glow plugs or glow discharge. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things!
Understood. I got intimately familiar with glow plugs when I tried to use those for my Waste Vegetable Oil conversion for my GM Duramax van. One thing I found out, they don't last very long when used for continuous application of heat. Hence, my initial reaction with Bob's comments of a glow plug was one of irritation, at the blatant attempt at misdirection. Now that I know that that was not the intention, no harm done, we can move on. Jojo - Original Message - From: Eric Walker To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:29 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things! On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: BTW, if glow discharge is your goal, you wouldn't use a glow plug. In glow plugs, the heating element is encapsulated in a sheath. I am presuming you wouldn't want that in a glow discharge reactor? You're seeing pure ignorance on my part. I don't know anything about spark plugs, glow plugs or glow discharge. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Got mass? Princeton scientists observe electrons become both heavy and speedy
Interesting! We always thought of cold as the absence of heat, darkness as the absence of light, evil as the absence of good, weightlessness as the absence of gravity. Now, you are saying there is something that actually cancels heat instead of just removing it - an anti-heat? Can we find this concept in Quantum Mechanics? Can you elaborate? Jojo PS: This reminds me of a Bible passage which talks of a darkness that can be felt... Hey, maybe you're not too way off on this. - Original Message - From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:18 AM Subject: [Vo]:Got mass? Princeton scientists observe electrons become both heavy and speedy Got mass? Princeton scientists observe electrons become both heavy and speedy http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S33/94/41S36/ It is remarkable to watch electrons moving in a crystal evolve into more massive particles as we cool them down, said Ali Yazdani, a professor of physics at Princeton and head of the team that conducted the study. This is consistent with my belief that inertia is form of coldness and that coldness is something substantively real rather than merely being the mere absence of heat. Harry
Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things!
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: You mention that the plugs often fail. Could this be due to clogging of the spark gap by particles of nickel metal that get melted by the intense heat of the spark? That is my guess, but I have not heard that from anyone. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things!
If misdirection i don't think it is on that side. clearly it is a glow plug, typical for diesel engine, and it is logical since they activate the reactor with heat like Celani did in his experiments with Ni+ZrO . The photo is clear, and it is not melted powder effect, since the surface is round and smooth on the photo, and also either you protect the sparkplug from powder, and no melting, or you don't and it does not work with a sparkplug. using a glowplug for heating is very natural, since it is very resistant, cheap, and easy to find. about insulation, the insulator protect also from the heat of the diesel engine, and the size helps the servicing. maybe DGT use glow discharge, but not with those plugs. and even if DGT does not use glow, it can work too. 2012/7/15 Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com ** Understood. I got intimately familiar with glow plugs when I tried to use those for my Waste Vegetable Oil conversion for my GM Duramax van. One thing I found out, they don't last very long when used for continuous application of heat. Hence, my initial reaction with Bob's comments of a glow plug was one of irritation, at the blatant attempt at misdirection. Now that I know that that was not the intention, no harm done, we can move on. Jojo - Original Message - *From:* Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2012 1:29 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things! On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: ** BTW, if glow discharge is your goal, you wouldn't use a glow plug. In glow plugs, the heating element is encapsulated in a sheath. I am presuming you wouldn't want that in a glow discharge reactor? You're seeing pure ignorance on my part. I don't know anything about spark plugs, glow plugs or glow discharge. Eric
Re: [Vo]:superconductors and laser light
Jojo and Axil, First, it does appear that superconductivity (not ballistic conduction) is involved. The new paper involves nickel nanoparticles in MWCNTs. Here is title and abstract: Novel Magnetic and Electrical Properties of Carbon Nanotubes: Consistent with Ultrahigh Temperature Superconductivity ABSTRACT: We present detailed magnetic properties of Ni magnetic nanoparticles embedded in multiwall carbon nanotubes (MWCNTs). The measured room-temperature saturation magnetization for the nickel nanoparticles is about three times larger than the expected value from the nickel concentration determined independently from inductively coupled plasma mass spectrometer and high energy synchrotron x-ray diffractometer. What is more intriguing is that the Curie-Weiss constant above the Curie temperature of nickel is enhanced by a factor of 12.2. We show that the moment enhancement factor is about two orders of magnitude larger than that predicted from a magnetic-proximity effect. Alternatively, the giant moment enhancement can be naturally explained if MWCNTs are ultra-high temperature superconductors. There is also independent evidence of ultrahigh temperature superconductivity in MWCNTs. The measured room-temperature diamagnetic susceptibility of pure MWCNTs for the magnetic field parallel to the tube-axis direction agrees quantitatively with the expected diamagnetic Meissner effect. Because of a finite number of transverse conduction channels in ultra-thin superconducting tubes, quantum phase slips are significant and the on-tube resistance is not expected to be zero below the mean-field superconducting transition temperature. Nonetheless, the room-temperature on-tube resistivity has been found to be indistinguishable from zero for many individual MWCNTs. We further show that the temperature dependencies of the resistivity in individual single-wall carbon nanotubes (SWCNTs) are inconsistent with ballistic electrical transport mechanism but can be quantitatively explained in terms of quantum phase slips in quasi-one-dimensional superconductors. If you want to view the entire paper, google the string - California State University at Los Angeles Guo-meng Zhao -- One of the topic lines in the google list should be - Novel Magnetic and Electrical Properties of Carbon Nanotubes www.crcnetbase.com/doi/pdf/10.1201/b11989-11 -- Don't click on either of those lines. Click on Quick View below them. This should bring up the entire paper for viewing. The paper cites others which corroborate these surprising results. Nano-carbon is pretty amazing. I find this subject quite difficult. I have no idea whether anomalous superconductivity is essential to LENR. Maybe extremely intense current densities cause some LENRs? If so, then maybe these current flows can be triggered by various carbon nanostructures, cracks in metal hydride surfaces, various colloidal formations of metal nanoparticles, dielectric breakdowns, current streamers and arcs, ...? Jojo Jaro wrote: This was the conclusion I arrived at as well, after reading Lou's many posts. And this was the thought I tried to convey to Guenter in his 600C eCat thread. Basically, if your NAE is a transition metal lattice; i.e. Cracks (Storms), or Patches (WL) or any other structures (Hagelstein), you would not be able to achieve High Temp operation. With Carbon Nanostructures such as nanotubes and graphene, thermal stability of your NAE is not a problem. These Carbon nanostructures are just amazing. They seem to have all the critical ingredients to host a NAE. Carbon nanostructure-based LENR, which I call LENR2, is the way to go. Jojo - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:superconductors and laser light Re: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1106.4323.pdf I scanned through it fast. It was surprising. The bottom line to what this author is saying is as follows: These experimental data cannot be explained by ballistic transport but are consistent with phase-incoherent ultrahigh temperature (1050 K or 776 C) superconductivity. Now that is very hot. This is because the anomalous magnetic properties shown by iron impurities in this experiment cannot be explained by existing physics models except for the paramagnetic Meissner effect due to the existence of ultrahigh temperature superconductivity in the multi-walled carbon nanotubes. So if nanotubes can be used in LENR, very high temperatures are possible, but it is still very hard to believe. Any opinion? Cheers: Axil On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 11:47 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Axil, That's true - I posted that arxiv.org reference a while back, but the book chapter was also open access a couple of hours ago. I downloaded it. Strange that it was sealed off so quickly. Same lead author. Contents are a bit different and more
Re: [Vo]:superconductors and laser light
Didn't Celani find out the superconductivity correlated with anomalous heat? Superconductivity would seem to jive well with Axil's charge accumulation theory. Metallic SWNTs exhibit long coherence lengths. MWNTs exhibit ballistic conduction. Graphene exhibiting superconductive tendencies at high temps. All these seems to point to a property that appears to be critical for the initiation of anomalous heat - that of charge accumulation that would screen the coulomb barrier. Maybe we're all wrong with this, but to me, Carbon nanostructure-based LENR is the way to go. Cause even if we perfect LENR+ (Rossi and DGT), we would probably still be contrained to low to moderate temps (450c). High Temps made possible with LENR2 reactors would really open up all kinds of possibilities, like thermal decomposition of water to H2 and thermal gasification of waste to biofuel. Jojo - Original Message - From: pagnu...@htdconnect.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 2:20 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:superconductors and laser light Jojo and Axil, First, it does appear that superconductivity (not ballistic conduction) is involved. The new paper involves nickel nanoparticles in MWCNTs. Here is title and abstract: Nano-carbon is pretty amazing. I find this subject quite difficult. I have no idea whether anomalous superconductivity is essential to LENR. Maybe extremely intense current densities cause some LENRs? If so, then maybe these current flows can be triggered by various carbon nanostructures, cracks in metal hydride surfaces, various colloidal formations of metal nanoparticles, dielectric breakdowns, current streamers and arcs, ...?
Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things!
And only if you want to waste your money. Like I said, they don't last very long when used continously as would be the case if DGT were using these to heat their reactors. A heating cartridge would make more sense for heating. I tried using glow plugs in my first generation reactors with so-so results. They tend to overheat and melt your ingredients. Hard to control heat output. They are designed to heat fast and furious. Controllability is not an issue for their intended application as Diesel engine preheaters as they are fired only for a few seconds. but, even in their intended application in diesel engines, they are one of the more frequently failing items. Jojo PS. Those pictures are definitiely spark plugs. No question about it. - Original Message - From: Alain Sepeda To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 2:14 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things! using a glowplug for heating is very natural, since it is very resistant, cheap, and easy to find.
Re: [Vo]:Synchronous Laser Electrons
I was wondering about this myself. Is the movement of protons or deuterons thermal (random) or more organized? (I am imagining a cavity, here, and not the confines of the lattice.) If it's more like packed traffic going down the highway way too quickly, the likelihood of an event increases, for example, when there is a slow, lumbering vehicle directly ahead. Or, to use a different analogy, when a school of fish or flock of birds suddenly changes its direction. Eric Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2012, at 9:29, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: The activation of electrons or protons by a laser or similar method begs a question. When these particles are working as a group are their motions synchronized in space? What I refer to in this question is the orientation of the movements that are organized by the outside source. For instance, are all the entangled particles moving along the same direction vector? If one electron of the group is moving along the X axis does that imply that all of them are? This is a fairly important issue with interesting implications if true. I am assuming that there is spatial distance along the Z axis and Y axis forming the equivalent shape of a cloud in space where the net movement is along the X axis. Dave
RE: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things!
It could be something as simple as a cultural thing… Do not the Brits use the term glow-plug instead of spark-plug? I do remember a conversation, although many many years ago, wherein a spark plug was referred to as a glow plug… -Mark From: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 9:48 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things! On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: I wonder what motivation people have in spreading this misdirection? Unbelievable how people can lie to your face nowadays and keep it cool. Unbelievable. Jojo, we don't need a conspiracy to explain this line of questioning. It's a legitimate question. Whether a spark plug is being used or whether there's glow discharge is something worth investigating, even if there is a good change the search will leads us back to spark plugs. The main reason the question is interesting is that there have been a large number of studies using glow discharge to produce anomalies heat. It is possible you could get a similar effect using spark plugs, even if the control mechanism is different. Eric
RE: [Vo]:Got mass? Princeton scientists observe electrons become both heavy and speedy
This fits in with Frank Grimer's notion of comperature as the important physical variable - in which pressure and temperature should be linked as a single continuum, and cannot be considered as useful independent variables. So-called condensed matter is always under substantial (beta aether) pressure, so even at 0 degrees K there is substantial comperature in solids. Likewise, a thin hot plasma can be considered lower in comperature than cryogenic solids, if thin enough ... ... not sure of the details insofar as how the two are weighted when viewed as one. -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder This is consistent with my belief that inertia is form of coldness and that coldness is something substantively real rather than merely being the mere absence of heat. Harry
Re: [Vo]:superconductors and laser light
At 12:59 AM 7/15/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: This was the conclusion I arrived at as well, after reading Lou's many posts. And this was the thought I tried to convey to Guenter in his 600C eCat thread. Basically, if your NAE is a transition metal lattice; i.e. Cracks (Storms), or Patches (WL) or any other structures (Hagelstein), you would not be able to achieve High Temp operation. With Carbon Nanostructures such as nanotubes and graphene, thermal stability of your NAE is not a problem. These Carbon nanostructures are just amazing. They seem to have all the critical ingredients to host a NAE. Carbon nanostructure-based LENR, which I call LENR2, is the way to go. It's an interesting idea, particularly if Storms is correct, that the substance of the confining lattice (material) is not important, but only the cavity size. However, what is the size? Could carbon nanostructures be made with the necessary dimensions? An approach would be to make a pile of carbon material that includes a wide range of sizes, and add deuterium, say. Does anything unusual happen? Any heating, any helium? Even if heating is not measurable, if it sits there long enough, enough helium might accumulate to be measurable, compared to controls. And then one could ratchet down to controlled sizes, to find what is optimal.
Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things!
After surfing the different glow plugs on the web, I believe that Jojo is correct, that what is shown in the pictures offered by DGT are probably spark plugs. However, might there be misdirection in DGT's pictures? Would a glow plug screw in place of the spark plug in their reactor? DGT could have put the spark plugs in their reactor for the pictures, while they normally use glow plugs in those positions. The spare spark plug on the table was obvious and suspiciously left in the open. Another possibility is that DGT found that the glow plugs were wearing out too quickly and they modified their reactor for a different type of heater that would have greater life. Since they were left with the tapped glow plug holes, they plugged the holes with the spark plugs. The spark plugs are never shown connected, but everything else is shown connected. The comment from WM about DGT having trouble with the glow plugs not lasting long enough goes with what Jojo observes for a glow plug. I am not convinced either way. Bob On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: ** And only if you want to waste your money. Like I said, they don't last very long when used continously as would be the case if DGT were using these to heat their reactors. A heating cartridge would make more sense for heating. I tried using glow plugs in my first generation reactors with so-so results. They tend to overheat and melt your ingredients. Hard to control heat output. They are designed to heat fast and furious. Controllability is not an issue for their intended application as Diesel engine preheaters as they are fired only for a few seconds. but, even in their intended application in diesel engines, they are one of the more frequently failing items. Jojo PS. Those pictures are definitiely spark plugs. No question about it. - Original Message - *From:* Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2012 2:14 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things! using a glowplug for heating is very natural, since it is very resistant, cheap, and easy to find. -- Regards, Bob Higgins
Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things!
I supposed DGT can replace spark plug for glow plugs to misdirect, but that would still not explain the temp spike. Sparks are the only mechanism that can bring H2 temps that high and then quickly back down again. Glow plugs will not result in a temp spike. When you look at the end plates of DGT reactors, you will notice that the thermocouples are very close to the spark plug. A series of sparks would quickly raise the temperature of the H2 gas in the vicinity of the sparks, which is also where the thermocouples are. Then a second later, the hot H2 gas diffuses and the temps are down again. Hence a temp spike. Jojo - Original Message - From: Bob Higgins To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:19 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things! After surfing the different glow plugs on the web, I believe that Jojo is correct, that what is shown in the pictures offered by DGT are probably spark plugs. However, might there be misdirection in DGT's pictures? Would a glow plug screw in place of the spark plug in their reactor? DGT could have put the spark plugs in their reactor for the pictures, while they normally use glow plugs in those positions. The spare spark plug on the table was obvious and suspiciously left in the open. Another possibility is that DGT found that the glow plugs were wearing out too quickly and they modified their reactor for a different type of heater that would have greater life. Since they were left with the tapped glow plug holes, they plugged the holes with the spark plugs. The spark plugs are never shown connected, but everything else is shown connected. The comment from WM about DGT having trouble with the glow plugs not lasting long enough goes with what Jojo observes for a glow plug. I am not convinced either way. Bob On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: And only if you want to waste your money. Like I said, they don't last very long when used continously as would be the case if DGT were using these to heat their reactors. A heating cartridge would make more sense for heating. I tried using glow plugs in my first generation reactors with so-so results. They tend to overheat and melt your ingredients. Hard to control heat output. They are designed to heat fast and furious. Controllability is not an issue for their intended application as Diesel engine preheaters as they are fired only for a few seconds. but, even in their intended application in diesel engines, they are one of the more frequently failing items. Jojo PS. Those pictures are definitiely spark plugs. No question about it. - Original Message - From: Alain Sepeda To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 2:14 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things! using a glowplug for heating is very natural, since it is very resistant, cheap, and easy to find. -- Regards, Bob Higgins
Re: [Vo]:Synchronous Laser Electrons
I wrote: I was wondering about this myself. Is the movement of protons or deuterons thermal (random) or more organized? (I am imagining a cavity, here, and not the confines of the lattice.) If it's more like packed traffic going down the highway way too quickly, the likelihood of an event increases, for example, when there is a slow, lumbering vehicle directly ahead. Or, to use a different analogy, when a school of fish or flock of birds suddenly changes its direction. My guess is that it's hard to get heavy protons and deuterons to accelerate quickly in a cavity with the field strengths that we're talking about. I have no quantitative basis for concluding this; it's just a hunch. But there's another possibility that is very interesting: Assume a cavity with a left end L and a right end R. X-ray or THz laser light at the right frequency brings about superconductivity. Either induced or applied current is made to flow through the walls. I believe a magnetic field can induce a current of charge carriers as well as be generated by such a current. Protons and deuterons are positive charge carriers, albeit ones 2000 to 4000 times more massive than electrons. Normally current consists of the movement of electrons. But if we consider an induced magnetic field of a high enough strength, perhaps it could move ionized hydrogen in the direction either of L, the left end of the cavity, or R, the right end. If the end of the cavity is suitably blocked (here I'm borrowing an idea from Ed Storms), then the hydrogen will have no where to go. I'm thinking here of a kind of hydrogen press, where the ions are pushed towards one of the ends of the cavity, and the pressure becomes large. Eric
[Vo]:Karl May vs Rossi
This is a topic I repeatedly had my quibbles with Jed already. I find the analogy -- May-Rossi -- appropriate and interesting, he not. Now this is not something to be decided in a duel, but the community at large should and has to. As a boy, aged 11-13, I read read about 50 of May's 60 or so of his books. Some where censored of sorts. The last one I read: 'die Herren von Greifenklau', which was sort of a puritan wet dream of an unearthly mystical love affair, which deeply shapes a young adult's conception of 'love'. Not a bad thing. Each of his books about 500 pages. I was deeply impressed, which somehow explains the German mindset even nowadays wrt American Indians and the Muslim world, which is deeply romantic and has a deep positive affection despite all the politicians arguing against. Not an easy task. Therefore I values Karl May despite his outrageous claims. Now Karl May, who spent quite some time in prison for trivial reasons, actually BELIEVED what he wrote. This is the strange aspect. Later in his life he tried to reassure to himself, after accusations, that his phantasy matched his imagination. This is such an extraordinary case of inversion of backward reasoning, that I advise everybody to study the case. Now Rossi seems to be a similar case, albeit on a smaller scale. (if you want to understand parts of the undercurrents of the German soul, which is seriously deformed now, read Karl May. But us Germans should take care of that, because this is a difficult issue for foreigners to understand. 25 000 pages of myth is a lot, and probably not worth the effort to understand the soul of a compromised nation. In contrast, reading eg Ayn Rand is nearly impossible for non-Us-citizens without a cleaning vomit. But the american soul seems to digest this without problems. THE CLEANUP OF ALL THOSE PILES OF BULLSHIT, EVERY NATION GENERATES, IS THEIR PREMIER DUTY !) In the case of Karl May: He had millions of believers in his time who believed in his tales. And he himself too! This is most astonishing! Karl may had a difficult time when visiting Egypt, to match the reality he encountered to his fantasy, which was much moore vivid Which lasted for some 100 years until now, including my humble boy-self, until 'I' finally woke up, and said: Hey! This is a wonderful dream, but where are we? 'I' in apostrophes, because 'I' am just an agent of belief. Understand? His -Rossi's- 'land of belief' is commercializable LENR. Karl May had his 'Silberbüchse', a rifle which the operator shot right into the middle of the opponents head, from 1000 feet distance. His believers were excited and somehow enlightened, went home, where their cold room at home warmed up by the power of belief. Not lasting long. Karl May finally showed his fake rifle at presentations, but never put it to work. Careful scientific analysis showed that this was impossible. The rifles and pistols of our western heroes were so poorely designed, that they rarely targeted a sparrow in 30feet distance. Do You see a resemblance? Now change the scene: The propensity of Germans to belief in LENR currently is round about zero. Why? Because their belief is adjusted to solar and wind, which is based on a completely different worldview. Which is so ,because there is s a peculiar blend between romanticism and rational belief, where the 'rational' is sort of a partisan, which infects the mind as a belief, or a meme. As long as it helps the case, I am content with that. So I claim sort of a super-rationality for myself, which is a difficult issue. Then: BELIEF is the ultimate healer of inconsistency, right? Guenter
Re: [Vo]:superconductors and laser light
Abd, I apprciate your comments. It seems to me that the smaller the better and SWNTs would be better than MWNTs which would in turn be better than graphene, and Metallic SWNTs would be better than semiconducting SWNTs as they exhibit long coherence lengths. I subscirbe to Axil's charge accumulation theory. SWNTs of the appropriate diameter would capture free floating electrons and since the diameter is consistent for SWNTs, they would capture electrons with the same energy levels. Metallic SWNTs would probably work better at this charge accumulation. Capture enough of these electrons and pretty soon you have an SWNT with a huge charge buildup. Such SWNTs would be floating around in your reactor and per chance, it would come near an exposed Nickel atom. Coulomb barrier of nickel atom is screened by the huge charge and viola, it fuses with a hydrogen ion which happens to be floating around. This is how I understand it to work. Maybe I'm wrong, but I am willing to bet that I'm not so I am spending money to test this hypothesis. In a reactor working like this, all you need to control reaction rate would be to vary spark rate, which varies the charge accumulation on your metallic SWNTs which would control your fusion reaction rates. Instant controllability. As soon as I finish my gen2 reactor, we should find out. And to increase my chances, I am also designing the very same reactor to act like a CVD reactor that would grow Carbon nanostructures on a nickel substrate. Jojo - Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:superconductors and laser light At 12:59 AM 7/15/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: This was the conclusion I arrived at as well, after reading Lou's many posts. And this was the thought I tried to convey to Guenter in his 600C eCat thread. Basically, if your NAE is a transition metal lattice; i.e. Cracks (Storms), or Patches (WL) or any other structures (Hagelstein), you would not be able to achieve High Temp operation. With Carbon Nanostructures such as nanotubes and graphene, thermal stability of your NAE is not a problem. These Carbon nanostructures are just amazing. They seem to have all the critical ingredients to host a NAE. Carbon nanostructure-based LENR, which I call LENR2, is the way to go. It's an interesting idea, particularly if Storms is correct, that the substance of the confining lattice (material) is not important, but only the cavity size. However, what is the size? Could carbon nanostructures be made with the necessary dimensions? An approach would be to make a pile of carbon material that includes a wide range of sizes, and add deuterium, say. Does anything unusual happen? Any heating, any helium? Even if heating is not measurable, if it sits there long enough, enough helium might accumulate to be measurable, compared to controls. And then one could ratchet down to controlled sizes, to find what is optimal.
RE: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things!
Anyone who has spent time working on internal combustion engines (ICE) knows that when an ICE runs rich (too much fuel) it will eventually foul the sparkplugs with a dry powdery soot, which has a high carbon content. The sparkplug insulator turns black from these deposits and becomes conductive, thus, destroying the insulating function essential to its operation. This basically connects the center (hi-Voltage) electrode to ground thru these carbon deposits, and the spark no longer occurs, and the engine won't start. However, an interesting side note is that if you pull off the sparkplug cable from the sparkplug, and hold it a little bit away from the sparkplug, creating a spark-gap (you can hear the arcing), and try to start the engine, it will run. As soon as you put the cable back on the sparkplug, the engine will start to die; pull the cable a bit away and the engine will start firing again. you can only do this so long before the SP becomes so fouled that nothing will help. If any conductive particulates inside of a working LENR reactor get deposited on the sparkplug, it will eventually cause a similar failure. I'd be curious if using my above technique on a failing LENR reactor would at least keep it going for some time after it would have certainly failed to run. Wondered if the kind of spark-gaps used on large tesla coils might help, but they too have some kind of insulating element which would become fouled as well. the longer the insulator, the longer it runs. might buy you a few more hours/days, but eventually it would fail. Unless you put the entire hi-V supply inside the reactor, you're gonna need some kind of insulating element to separate the hi-V electrode from the reactor wall (which I assume is conductive and grounded). what if the entire reactor vessel, although metal/conductive, was floating (electrically that is!). no, you still need a return line. just don't see a way around this, other than eliminating the need for spark, or eliminating conductive particulates floating around (literally!). -mark From: Jojo Jaro [mailto:jth...@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:45 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things! I supposed DGT can replace spark plug for glow plugs to misdirect, but that would still not explain the temp spike. Sparks are the only mechanism that can bring H2 temps that high and then quickly back down again. Glow plugs will not result in a temp spike. When you look at the end plates of DGT reactors, you will notice that the thermocouples are very close to the spark plug. A series of sparks would quickly raise the temperature of the H2 gas in the vicinity of the sparks, which is also where the thermocouples are. Then a second later, the hot H2 gas diffuses and the temps are down again. Hence a temp spike. Jojo - Original Message - From: Bob Higgins mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:19 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things! After surfing the different glow plugs on the web, I believe that Jojo is correct, that what is shown in the pictures offered by DGT are probably spark plugs. However, might there be misdirection in DGT's pictures? Would a glow plug screw in place of the spark plug in their reactor? DGT could have put the spark plugs in their reactor for the pictures, while they normally use glow plugs in those positions. The spare spark plug on the table was obvious and suspiciously left in the open. Another possibility is that DGT found that the glow plugs were wearing out too quickly and they modified their reactor for a different type of heater that would have greater life. Since they were left with the tapped glow plug holes, they plugged the holes with the spark plugs. The spark plugs are never shown connected, but everything else is shown connected. The comment from WM about DGT having trouble with the glow plugs not lasting long enough goes with what Jojo observes for a glow plug. I am not convinced either way. Bob On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: And only if you want to waste your money. Like I said, they don't last very long when used continously as would be the case if DGT were using these to heat their reactors. A heating cartridge would make more sense for heating. I tried using glow plugs in my first generation reactors with so-so results. They tend to overheat and melt your ingredients. Hard to control heat output. They are designed to heat fast and furious. Controllability is not an issue for their intended application as Diesel engine preheaters as they are fired only for a few seconds. but, even in their intended application in diesel engines, they are one of the more frequently failing items. Jojo PS. Those pictures are definitiely spark plugs. No question about it.
Re: [Vo]:superconductors and laser light
An approach would be to make a pile of carbon material that includes a wide range of sizes, and add deuterium, say. Does anything unusual happen? Any heating, any helium? Even if heating is not measurable, if it sits there long enough, enough helium might accumulate to be measurable, compared to controls. I believe what you are saying is what NASA is doing. If you remember, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax said in this thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg66128.html *But the title of this thread is Zawodny's video. Zawodny is apparently doing the kind of thing I've long been suggesting: massive parallel experimentation. I mostly thought of parallel identical cells, essentially manufactured, but his design of what appears to be experiments on a chip could be even more powerful. That all the cells are created by the same process is a powerful approach. However, he will still need to make and test multiple devices, i.e., many of these multi-cell chips.* This is the NASA video which shows the chip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBjA5LLraX0 The stuff on the chip are various sizes of nanotubes (SWNT), The color of nanotubes changes with their size and electronic properties: See: http://chemlinks.beloit.edu/classes/nanotech/CNT/mattoday10_12_59.pdf Note figure 2 *Fig. 2 Following DGU and fractionation, optically pure SWNT samples are **isolated into distinct cuvettes. The color differences between the vials provide **evidence for successful sorting of SWNTs by physical and electronic structure.* NASA is testing the performance of different SWNT nanotubes with regards to LENR performance as SWNT sizes and diameters vary. Cheers: Axil On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: At 12:59 AM 7/15/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: This was the conclusion I arrived at as well, after reading Lou's many posts. And this was the thought I tried to convey to Guenter in his 600C eCat thread. Basically, if your NAE is a transition metal lattice; i.e. Cracks (Storms), or Patches (WL) or any other structures (Hagelstein), you would not be able to achieve High Temp operation. With Carbon Nanostructures such as nanotubes and graphene, thermal stability of your NAE is not a problem. These Carbon nanostructures are just amazing. They seem to have all the critical ingredients to host a NAE. Carbon nanostructure-based LENR, which I call LENR2, is the way to go. It's an interesting idea, particularly if Storms is correct, that the substance of the confining lattice (material) is not important, but only the cavity size. However, what is the size? Could carbon nanostructures be made with the necessary dimensions? An approach would be to make a pile of carbon material that includes a wide range of sizes, and add deuterium, say. Does anything unusual happen? Any heating, any helium? Even if heating is not measurable, if it sits there long enough, enough helium might accumulate to be measurable, compared to controls. And then one could ratchet down to controlled sizes, to find what is optimal.
Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things!
I had a look at the multi-page Defkalion press release May of 2012, and on page 18 of the 35 page document there is a picture of one of the spark plugs laying on a table. It is somewhat unusual in that it has a very long threaded body. I did some looking and found a similar plug from Ford Motorcraft Number SP-509. They are almost the same, short of a body that is not quite threaded all the way to the tip. Anyway I have to say that it most certainly a spark plug and not a glow plug. Robert Dorr At 12:44 PM 7/15/2012, you wrote: I supposed DGT can replace spark plug for glow plugs to misdirect, but that would still not explain the temp spike. Sparks are the only mechanism that can bring H2 temps that high and then quickly back down again. Glow plugs will not result in a temp spike. When you look at the end plates of DGT reactors, you will notice that the thermocouples are very close to the spark plug. A series of sparks would quickly raise the temperature of the H2 gas in the vicinity of the sparks, which is also where the thermocouples are. Then a second later, the hot H2 gas diffuses and the temps are down again. Hence a temp spike. Jojo - Original Message - From: mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comBob Higgins To: mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.comvortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:19 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things! After surfing the different glow plugs on the web, I believe that Jojo is correct, that what is shown in the pictures offered by DGT are probably spark plugs. However, might there be misdirection in DGT's pictures? Would a glow plug screw in place of the spark plug in their reactor? DGT could have put the spark plugs in their reactor for the pictures, while they normally use glow plugs in those positions. The spare spark plug on the table was obvious and suspiciously left in the open. Another possibility is that DGT found that the glow plugs were wearing out too quickly and they modified their reactor for a different type of heater that would have greater life. Since they were left with the tapped glow plug holes, they plugged the holes with the spark plugs. The spark plugs are never shown connected, but everything else is shown connected. The comment from WM about DGT having trouble with the glow plugs not lasting long enough goes with what Jojo observes for a glow plug. I am not convinced either way. Bob On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Jojo Jaro mailto:jth...@hotmail.comjth...@hotmail.com wrote: And only if you want to waste your money. Like I said, they don't last very long when used continously as would be the case if DGT were using these to heat their reactors. A heating cartridge would make more sense for heating. I tried using glow plugs in my first generation reactors with so-so results. They tend to overheat and melt your ingredients. Hard to control heat output. They are designed to heat fast and furious. Controllability is not an issue for their intended application as Diesel engine preheaters as they are fired only for a few seconds. but, even in their intended application in diesel engines, they are one of the more frequently failing items. Jojo PS. Those pictures are definitiely spark plugs. No question about it. - Original Message - From: mailto:alain.sep...@gmail.comAlain Sepeda To: mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.comvortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 2:14 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things! using a glowplug for heating is very natural, since it is very resistant, cheap, and easy to find. -- Regards, Bob Higgins
Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things!
I had a look at the multi-page Defkalion press release May of 2012, and on page 18 of the 35 page document there is a picture of one of the spark plugs laying on a table. It is somewhat unusual in that it has a very long threaded body. I did some looking and found a similar plug from Ford Motorcraft Number SP-509. They are almost the same, short of a body that is not quite threaded all the way to the tip. Anyway I have to say that it most certainly a spark plug and not a glow plug. Robert Dorr At 12:44 PM 7/15/2012, you wrote: I supposed DGT can replace spark plug for glow plugs to misdirect, but that would still not explain the temp spike. Sparks are the only mechanism that can bring H2 temps that high and then quickly back down again. Glow plugs will not result in a temp spike. When you look at the end plates of DGT reactors, you will notice that the thermocouples are very close to the spark plug. A series of sparks would quickly raise the temperature of the H2 gas in the vicinity of the sparks, which is also where the thermocouples are. Then a second later, the hot H2 gas diffuses and the temps are down again. Hence a temp spike. Jojo - Original Message - From: mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comBob Higgins To: mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.comvortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:19 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things! After surfing the different glow plugs on the web, I believe that Jojo is correct, that what is shown in the pictures offered by DGT are probably spark plugs. However, might there be misdirection in DGT's pictures? Would a glow plug screw in place of the spark plug in their reactor? DGT could have put the spark plugs in their reactor for the pictures, while they normally use glow plugs in those positions. The spare spark plug on the table was obvious and suspiciously left in the open. Another possibility is that DGT found that the glow plugs were wearing out too quickly and they modified their reactor for a different type of heater that would have greater life. Since they were left with the tapped glow plug holes, they plugged the holes with the spark plugs. The spark plugs are never shown connected, but everything else is shown connected. The comment from WM about DGT having trouble with the glow plugs not lasting long enough goes with what Jojo observes for a glow plug. I am not convinced either way. Bob On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Jojo Jaro mailto:jth...@hotmail.comjth...@hotmail.com wrote: And only if you want to waste your money. Like I said, they don't last very long when used continously as would be the case if DGT were using these to heat their reactors. A heating cartridge would make more sense for heating. I tried using glow plugs in my first generation reactors with so-so results. They tend to overheat and melt your ingredients. Hard to control heat output. They are designed to heat fast and furious. Controllability is not an issue for their intended application as Diesel engine preheaters as they are fired only for a few seconds. but, even in their intended application in diesel engines, they are one of the more frequently failing items. Jojo PS. Those pictures are definitiely spark plugs. No question about it. - Original Message - From: mailto:alain.sep...@gmail.comAlain Sepeda To: mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.comvortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 2:14 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things! using a glowplug for heating is very natural, since it is very resistant, cheap, and easy to find. -- Regards, Bob Higgins
Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things!
Sorry for the double post and a correction, I said the part was Ford Motorcraft Number SP-509, but it should be Ford Motorcraft Number SP-507. Robert Dorr
Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things!
what photography are you looking ? [image: Images intégrées 1] this one clearly is imcompatible with a spark plug. see the round end. for the glowplug, the standard diesel one are made to heat quickly to high temperature (few seconds). DGT tell that their control method was to quickly heat the reactor, so that it trigger the reaction.when temperature fall, they trigger again... absolutely compatible with that kind of plug. maybe they use a variant which is more tough than usual, or maybe is the frequency so low that it works nicely for long period. nice engineering solution. 2012/7/15 Robert Dorr rod...@comcast.net I had a look at the multi-page Defkalion press release May of 2012, and on page 18 of the 35 page document there is a picture of one of the spark plugs laying on a table. It is somewhat unusual in that it has a very long threaded body. I did some looking and found a similar plug from Ford Motorcraft Number SP-509. They are almost the same, short of a body that is not quite threaded all the way to the tip. Anyway I have to say that it most certainly a spark plug and not a glow plug. Robert Dorr At 12:44 PM 7/15/2012, you wrote: I supposed DGT can replace spark plug for glow plugs to misdirect, but that would still not explain the temp spike. Sparks are the only mechanism that can bring H2 temps that high and then quickly back down again. Glow plugs will not result in a temp spike. When you look at the end plates of DGT reactors, you will notice that the thermocouples are very close to the spark plug. A series of sparks would quickly raise the temperature of the H2 gas in the vicinity of the sparks, which is also where the thermocouples are. Then a second later, the hot H2 gas diffuses and the temps are down again. Hence a temp spike. Jojo - Original Message - From: Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:19 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things! After surfing the different glow plugs on the web, I believe that Jojo is correct, that what is shown in the pictures offered by DGT are probably spark plugs. However, might there be misdirection in DGT's pictures? Would a glow plug screw in place of the spark plug in their reactor? DGT could have put the spark plugs in their reactor for the pictures, while they normally use glow plugs in those positions. The spare spark plug on the table was obvious and suspiciously left in the open. Another possibility is that DGT found that the glow plugs were wearing out too quickly and they modified their reactor for a different type of heater that would have greater life. Since they were left with the tapped glow plug holes, they plugged the holes with the spark plugs. The spark plugs are never shown connected, but everything else is shown connected. The comment from WM about DGT having trouble with the glow plugs not lasting long enough goes with what Jojo observes for a glow plug. I am not convinced either way. Bob On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: And only if you want to waste your money. Like I said, they don't last very long when used continously as would be the case if DGT were using these to heat their reactors. A heating cartridge would make more sense for heating. I tried using glow plugs in my first generation reactors with so-so results. They tend to overheat and melt your ingredients. Hard to control heat output. They are designed to heat fast and furious. Controllability is not an issue for their intended application as Diesel engine preheaters as they are fired only for a few seconds. but, even in their intended application in diesel engines, they are one of the more frequently failing items. Jojo PS. Those pictures are definitiely spark plugs. No question about it. - Original Message - From: Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 2:14 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things! using a glowplug for heating is very natural, since it is very resistant, cheap, and easy to find. -- Regards, Bob Higgins image.jpeg
RE: [Vo]:Rossi conspiracy. Part III
Abd wrote: I don't know if Guenter Wildgruber is *his* real name, but Mark_-ZeroPoint most certainly is not a real name. But I'll happily apologize if it is. [ you left the 'I' off 'Mark' ] If you've been on this forum for any significant length of time, its pretty obvious that I'm the same as zeropoint (2008 to aug-2011), then Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint from Aug-2011 to March-2012, and since March, MarkI-ZeroPoint. Those who have been here for years know who I am, so I haven't bothered with using my full name in my signature, altho I do on occasion add my last name... You want more specifics: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/mark-iverson/6/915/409?_mSplash=1 Mark, here, speculates on something, along with SVJ, about Guenter's mail, that makes some crazy assumptions. As SVJ explained quite well, my speculations were NOT serious! I was simply picking up his half humorous comments, and his gentle chiding of GW, and being a bit less gentle... using the email ReplyTo situation as a way to illustrate how easy it is to draw (faulty) conclusions. The fact that you didn't realize that is an indication that you shot off your mouth before reading the thread to understand it! I would not have even bothered with saying anything, had GW's speculations been about anything other than a human being... When it comes to people, I just think one needs to be very careful about speculating from anything OTHER THAN FIRST HAND INFO... I've been in several startups, from less than 10 people to one which had 26 when I started and grew to 96 within 14 months -- talk about a rollercoaster ride! I've been on the Board of Directors for two of the smaller ones, helping to successfully navigate thru a Chapter-11 and numerous legal battles, with court filings aplenty, and veiled and not-so veiled threats... Perhaps that'll help you understand why I'm a bit touchy when it comes to making speculations about people. Steven (SVJ) and Terry (Blanton), to their credit, always seem to interject some humor in order to keep the tone not too serious, which I think helps make this a pleasurable, as well as very useful and thought-provoking, forum to spend time on. -Mark IVERSON PS: There, ya happy!
RE: [Vo]:Rossi conspiracy. Part III
Steven wrote: Incidentally, I've occasionally misinterpreted the posting actions of others, so it's not as if I have now decided to torment Abd. If I did, I suspect Abd would simply turn around and bury me in a protracted essay detailing my faults at considerable length. Shame on you, Steven!!! J However, I agree completely, and will leave it at that! -Mark Iverson
[Vo]:YAGS: Yet Another Graphene Surprise...
FYI: With the placement of a sheet of graphene just one-carbon-atom-thick, the researchers transformed the originally passive device into an active one that generated microwave photonic signals and performed parametric wavelength conversion at telecommunication wavelengths. http://phys.org/news/2012-07-ultralow-power-optical-frequency-graphene-silic on-photonic.html http://arxiv.org/pdf/1205.4333v4.pdf They have engineered a graphene-silicon device whose optical nonlinearity enables the system parameters (such as transmittance and wavelength conversion) to change with the input power level. The researchers also were able to observe that, by optically driving the electronic and thermal response in the silicon chip, they could generate a radio frequency carrier on top of the transmitted laser beam and control its modulation with the laser intensity and color. Using different optical frequencies to tune the radio frequency, they found that the graphene-silicon hybrid chip achieved radio frequency generation with a resonant quality factor more than 50 times lower than what other scientists have achieved in silicon. Haven't read the preprint yet, but if I understand this correctly, they are claiming that a passive sheet of graphene can behave as an active (electronic) device. passive devices are those which do not require a separate power source (resistors, capacitors, inductors). Active devices, like transistors, require a power source. My guess before reading the article is that the power source here is simply a laser or some other form of energy which is getting converted (or downshifted) to some other form. Also, the statement, achieved radio frequency generation with a resonant quality factor more than 50 times lower must be a typo. a lower Q-factor is not something to write home about! -Mark
Re: [Vo]:Cell resistance drop at initiation of XP burst in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Sat, 14 Jul 2012 23:43:52 -0700: Hi, [snip] On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:40 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: This is the sort of thing that makes me think that the primary energy release mode is via fast particles, e.g. protons, alphas, or even heavier nuclei (from a clean fission reaction). These don't usually produce much in the way of gamma radiation. Fast electrons may also be produced that would produce some x-rays that may be reported as gammas. What are ways, known or hypothesized, to preferentially get fast particles? As already pointed out, you don't need to do anything special to preferentially get fast particles. Nature already prefers that method. Because the reaction time is very much shorter than for gamma radiation. As an example, take the conventional D+D reaction. Only very rarely do you get D+D= He4 + gamma. Most of the time you get either T or He3, despite the fact that the latter two reactions have a much lower energy yield than He4. It's simply a matter of fast particle de-energizing being far more probable because it's faster. IOW if you have a nucleus that has become energized through fusion (used in the broadest sense) that has multiple pathways via which it can lose that energy, then all those ways will get used, but the ones that take the least time are most likely to occur. When two pathways take about the same time (e.g. two equal particle emission pathways), then the most probable outcome is the one where the most stable nuclei remain. Also, what are your impressions of Boris Ivlev's interference thesis? http://arxiv.org/pdf/1207.2357.pdf Interesting, and possibly correct (as far as I am able to judge, which isn't very far ;) but just one of many theories that may apply. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Synchronous Laser Electrons
My thoughts are that if the affected protons march in unison and in one direction vector then a changing magnetic field might be able to vary that direction. I think of these coupled protons as being like bulldozers plowing through the electron clouds of the nickel atoms in the direction of their peers. The nickel target nuclei are tiny but can be impacted by these energetic coupled protons if their directions can be varied. Just the right external field and a direct hit is achieved on one or more nuclei. This type of activity would suggest a NAE that is of a virtual nature but I am not sure if it would tend to follow cracks, etc. within the crystal. The rarity of the LENR events would be explained by the lack of direct aim that exists unless the right external field vector as reflected within the crystal is achieved. On rare occasions the redirected protons might impact many target nuclei simultaneously if they happen to line up with important crystal directions. Could something such as this explain the mini explosions that are sometimes observed? Also, this type of activity would play well into the observed loading phenomenon. The more protons that are working together, the more likely we are to have a collision. Of course my favorite function is the suppression of gamma emission by the spreading of the binding energy over the large cloud of protons coupled together. Another thought to consider is the tendency for LENR activity to be enhanced by the movement of protons into and out of the nickel matrix. Perhaps this common motion concentrated in one dimension encourages the coupling mechanism. Eric, I tend to think that the protons are not actually in the exact same path but are moving in the exact same direction and coupled to behave as one particle. Hopefully there is enough energy shared between the protons to allow some to breech the coulomb barrier. I would expect a proton cloud such as the one we are thinking of would be confined to travel parallel to a major external crystal surface. This tendency might be reflected in the observation that the major activity seems to be at or near surface features. Additionally, any externally applied field tends to concentrate along the surfaces more than within the crystal. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:51 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Synchronous Laser Electrons I was wondering about this myself. Is the movement of protons or deuterons thermal (random) or more organized? (I am imagining a cavity, here, and not the confines of the lattice.) If it's more like packed traffic going down the highway way too quickly, the likelihood of an event increases, for example, when there is a slow, lumbering vehicle directly ahead. Or, to use a different analogy, when a school of fish or flock of birds suddenly changes its direction. Eric Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2012, at 9:29, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: The activation of electrons or protons by a laser or similar method begs a question. When these particles are working as a group are their motions synchronized in space? What I refer to in this question is the orientation of the movements that are organized by the outside source. For instance, are all the entangled particles moving along the same direction vector? If one electron of the group is moving along the X axis does that imply that all of them are? This is a fairly important issue with interesting implications if true. I am assuming that there is spatial distance along the Z axis and Y axis forming the equivalent shape of a cloud in space where the net movement is along the X axis. Dave
Re: [Vo]:Synchronous Laser Electrons
Yes, the hydrogen press visualization is what I am considering as well. At the moment I am hoping that the coupling of the other nearby protons is the main source of the pressure and also determines the line of motion. Your idea of energy being delivered to the protons within this particular cavity seems to have merit. The large mass of the proton actually plays into my thoughts as allowing it to behave as a bulldozer with the help of its mates. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:49 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Synchronous Laser Electrons I wrote: I was wondering about this myself. Is the movement of protons or deuterons thermal (random) or more organized? (I am imagining a cavity, here, and not the confines of the lattice.) If it's more like packed traffic going down the highway way too quickly, the likelihood of an event increases, for example, when there is a slow, lumbering vehicle directly ahead. Or, to use a different analogy, when a school of fish or flock of birds suddenly changes its direction. My guess is that it's hard to get heavy protons and deuterons to accelerate quickly in a cavity with the field strengths that we're talking about. I have no quantitative basis for concluding this; it's just a hunch. But there's another possibility that is very interesting: Assume a cavity with a left end L and a right end R. X-ray or THz laser light at the right frequency brings about superconductivity. Either induced or applied current is made to flow through the walls. I believe a magnetic field can induce a current of charge carriers as well as be generated by such a current. Protons and deuterons are positive charge carriers, albeit ones 2000 to 4000 times more massive than electrons. Normally current consists of the movement of electrons. But if we consider an induced magnetic field of a high enough strength, perhaps it could move ionized hydrogen in the direction either of L, the left end of the cavity, or R, the right end. If the end of the cavity is suitably blocked (here I'm borrowing an idea from Ed Storms), then the hydrogen will have no where to go. I'm thinking here of a kind of hydrogen press, where the ions are pushed towards one of the ends of the cavity, and the pressure becomes large. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things!
This is a Bosch iridium/platinum spark plug similar to the ones used in my Scion: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31siZsBbVoL._SL500_AA300_.jpg They are good for about 100,000 miles. They are required replacements in order to meet the California emissions standards. The deep threads are required to reach through the aluminum head. Now what is so special about iridium/platinum? Dunno. But, the use of a spark was mentioned earlier regarding the Langmuir torch. The spark will provide energy to dissociate the H2 molecule providing an rapid source of atomic H. You can figure the rest out yourselves. T
Re: [Vo]:Karl May vs Rossi
My favorite piccy of Marx and Lennon: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/ba/Hcybitpaowynaaa.jpg T (ha! I changed the reply to address)
RE: [Vo]:Karl May vs Rossi
Luv it Terry! -mi -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 3:49 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Karl May vs Rossi My favorite piccy of Marx and Lennon: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/ba/Hcybitpaowynaaa.jpg T (ha! I changed the reply to address)
Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things! spark glow and conduct
This is really unhelpful but I offer it anyway: In my youth I came across spark plugs being used as cheap, rugged, hermetic, high voltage power leads into a vacuum chamber - or was it a pressure vessel - whatever... The spark end was bent straight, welded to a wire. Ol' Bab On 7/15/2012 12:48 PM, Bob Higgins wrote: There was no attempt at misdirection on my part - I was simply recounting what I was told at WM. However, I don't believe that the person who told me had direct first-hand knowledge, and while he may have been mistaken, I don't think he was intentionally trying to mislead me. At first, I didn't think the statement made much sense - what would glow plugs be used for in a situation where there is no combustion? But, and I have no idea what devices are available ... Is it possible that a glow plug may exist that could be used as a filament for electron discharge as in an electron tube? Such a glow plug might still need the ceramic HV insulation. Electron discharge in the chamber would be more active in the cell than just sparking a spark plug. I thought I would post it for comment. Bob On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com mailto:jth...@hotmail.com wrote: Let's put this misdirection attempt to rest once and for all. A glow plug requires low voltage to heat. (Usually between a few volts to 6 volts.) A glow plug does not require a tall ceramic insulatior. A glow plug has a long elongated cylinderical tube that contains the heating element inside. The pictures Terry posted from Amazon are glow plugs. A spark plug requires a tall insulator to prevent volatage leakage since it is fired using high voltages. A spark plug will have a long threaded part (f it is long reach), and a small gap at the end. The picture in DGT document is a spark plug. Any mechanic Joe blow will tell you that. Notice the tall ceramic insulator. I wonder what motivation people have in spreading this misdirection? Unbelievable how people can lie to your face nowadays and keep it cool. Unbelievable. BTW, a spark plug fired at 300 hz (18,000 RPM) will draw less than 100 watts. COP is not an issue if sparks are used. Jojo - Original Message - *From:* Alain Sepeda mailto:alain.sep...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2012 10:59 PM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things! no spark gap on the photo, seems right. whether a glow or spark plug is a very important detail if a spark plug is needed, there is a needed quantity of energy that have to be electric, and this limit the COP. if only heat is used, that mean that the reactor itself, or another reactor, can provide the heat, so the COP can have no limit else the insulation and controllability 2012/7/15 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com Doesn't look like glow plugs: http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8rh=n%3A15729261page=1 -- Regards, Bob Higgins
RE: [Vo]:YAGS: Yet Another Graphene Surprise...
Read thru this preprint and although much of it is beyond my understanding, there are 2 things that came to mind. 1. the constant use of the terms cavity, and downconverting, and beat-frequency (in the Mhz range mind you!) implies behavior akin to RF/microwave engineering: Thus, perhaps one should look at the NAEs as simply waveguides, or resonant cavities. Thus, anywhere you had closely spaced parallel (physical) fractures within the Ni or Pd, and close to the surface (oriented normal to the Ni or Pd surface?), you have the conditions for an NAE; obviously packed with H or D. OR, nanotubes could easily act as extremely small waveguides, so the idea of using nanotubes could be an important key in getting higher output power. Has anyone ever asked Rossi if he makes use of nanotubes? Not that I would expect a straight answer. Start looking at how microwave/millimeter waveguides behave and what kind of phenomena occur in these structures, and apply the rules but only on a much smaller scale. so you're down to much smaller wavelengths. Can the downconverting occur over so many orders of magnitude as to facilitate, or even gamma-to-thermal conversion? How many gamma wavelengths fit into the phonon wavelength? Or, more poetically, how many gammas can you fit on the head of a phonon? 2. page 5, last paragraph: These regenerative oscillations are formed between the competing phonon and free carrier populations, with slow *thermal* red-shifts (~ 10 ns timescales) and fast *free-carrier plasma* dispersion blue-shifts (~ 200 ps timescales) in the case of our graphene-silicon cavities. 'Regenerative oscillations formed between'. physically between? Those oscillations are formed physically between 'competing' thermal (phonon) and free-carrier (electron) elements (populations). 'competing' phonon and free-carrier populations. competing for what? Physical space in which to oscillate? -Mark Iverson From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 3:09 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:YAGS: Yet Another Graphene Surprise... FYI: With the placement of a sheet of graphene just one-carbon-atom-thick, the researchers transformed the originally passive device into an active one that generated microwave photonic signals and performed parametric wavelength conversion at telecommunication wavelengths. http://phys.org/news/2012-07-ultralow-power-optical-frequency-graphene-silic on-photonic.html http://arxiv.org/pdf/1205.4333v4.pdf They have engineered a graphene-silicon device whose optical nonlinearity enables the system parameters (such as transmittance and wavelength conversion) to change with the input power level. The researchers also were able to observe that, by optically driving the electronic and thermal response in the silicon chip, they could generate a radio frequency carrier on top of the transmitted laser beam and control its modulation with the laser intensity and color. Using different optical frequencies to tune the radio frequency, they found that the graphene-silicon hybrid chip achieved radio frequency generation with a resonant quality factor more than 50 times lower than what other scientists have achieved in silicon. Haven't read the preprint yet, but if I understand this correctly, they are claiming that a passive sheet of graphene can behave as an active (electronic) device. passive devices are those which do not require a separate power source (resistors, capacitors, inductors). Active devices, like transistors, require a power source. My guess before reading the article is that the power source here is simply a laser or some other form of energy which is getting converted (or downshifted) to some other form. Also, the statement, achieved radio frequency generation with a resonant quality factor more than 50 times lower must be a typo. a lower Q-factor is not something to write home about! -Mark
Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things!
I believe you are mistaken. The round white end is the insulating ceramic. If you look closely, you can barely see the protruding electrode. The ground electrode can not be clearly seen. Either it can not be seen in this picture due to its angle or it has been cut off. Cutting off the ground electrode is not as unusual and crazy as you might first think. Realize that the entire outer body of the spark plug is intended to be the ground potential. It is quite easy for DGT to provide an alternative ground electrode. That way, they can adjust spark gap distance. I do this myself for my Arc Discharge nanotube reactor. I buy a long reach spark plug (long threaded part), I cut it down, then cut down the ceramic insulator to expose the electrode core. Then I insert it into a cylinder and ground the cylinder. This allows me to vary the spark distance by varying the diameter of the cylinder. Simple solution. Solves the fouling problem that I run into a lot in my early designs. Jojo - Original Message - From: Alain Sepeda To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 4:53 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things! what photography are you looking ? this one clearly is imcompatible with a spark plug. see the round end. for the glowplug, the standard diesel one are made to heat quickly to high temperature (few seconds). DGT tell that their control method was to quickly heat the reactor, so that it trigger the reaction.when temperature fall, they trigger again... absolutely compatible with that kind of plug. maybe they use a variant which is more tough than usual, or maybe is the frequency so low that it works nicely for long period. nice engineering solution. 2012/7/15 Robert Dorr rod...@comcast.net I had a look at the multi-page Defkalion press release May of 2012, and on page 18 of the 35 page document there is a picture of one of the spark plugs laying on a table. It is somewhat unusual in that it has a very long threaded body. I did some looking and found a similar plug from Ford Motorcraft Number SP-509. They are almost the same, short of a body that is not quite threaded all the way to the tip. Anyway I have to say that it most certainly a spark plug and not a glow plug. Robert Dorr At 12:44 PM 7/15/2012, you wrote: I supposed DGT can replace spark plug for glow plugs to misdirect, but that would still not explain the temp spike. Sparks are the only mechanism that can bring H2 temps that high and then quickly back down again. Glow plugs will not result in a temp spike. When you look at the end plates of DGT reactors, you will notice that the thermocouples are very close to the spark plug. A series of sparks would quickly raise the temperature of the H2 gas in the vicinity of the sparks, which is also where the thermocouples are. Then a second later, the hot H2 gas diffuses and the temps are down again. Hence a temp spike. Jojo - Original Message - From: Bob Higgins To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:19 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things! After surfing the different glow plugs on the web, I believe that Jojo is correct, that what is shown in the pictures offered by DGT are probably spark plugs. However, might there be misdirection in DGT's pictures? Would a glow plug screw in place of the spark plug in their reactor? DGT could have put the spark plugs in their reactor for the pictures, while they normally use glow plugs in those positions. The spare spark plug on the table was obvious and suspiciously left in the open. Another possibility is that DGT found that the glow plugs were wearing out too quickly and they modified their reactor for a different type of heater that would have greater life. Since they were left with the tapped glow plug holes, they plugged the holes with the spark plugs. The spark plugs are never shown connected, but everything else is shown connected. The comment from WM about DGT having trouble with the glow plugs not lasting long enough goes with what Jojo observes for a glow plug. I am not convinced either way. Bob On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: And only if you want to waste your money. Like I said, they don't last very long when used continously as would be the case if DGT were using these to heat their reactors. A heating cartridge would make more sense for heating. I tried using glow plugs in my first generation reactors with so-so results. They tend to overheat and melt your ingredients. Hard to control heat output. They are designed to heat fast and furious. Controllability is not an issue for their intended
Re: [Vo]:Got mass? Princeton scientists observe electrons become both heavy and speedy
I am reconsidering old ontologies, discarded in the middle 19th century, as a jumping off point. This paper published in 1984 describes a little known experiment in radiant cooling done in the late 18th century by Pictet and repeated a few years later by Count Rumford. https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BxxczzEYA5C5Rmg2b0ljZG9yaVk What we usually hear about Rumford is his canon boring evidence against the caloric theory of heat. However, less well known is his theory of frigorific rays.He held that cold emanations were as real as hot emenations and he interpreted the Pictet experiment as evidence of his theory. In the paper the radiant cooling effect observed is _qualitatively_ explained using modern radiantive heat transfer theory. However, the geometric symmetry of the experiment does not invalidate the existence of frigorific rays. Rumfords proposed a resonant model of radiation which could excite motion in materials (radiant heating) or dampen motioninmaterials (frigorific cooling). Th author of the paper points out some predictive difficulties with his model, but I think this comes from taking Rumfords ringing bell analogy too literally. Anyway what interests me was his intuition that cold is more than just the absence of heat, i.e. that cold has some positive existence. I think it is possible to redesign the experiment so that it would either clearly support Rumfords intuition or dispose of it. It is relevant to note that well before Rumford, Francis Bacon also regarded cold as having an independent existence from heat, although his particular of conceptions of cold as a contractive power and heat as an expansive power were different from Rumford's. Harry On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: Interesting! We always thought of cold as the absence of heat, darkness as the absence of light, evil as the absence of good, weightlessness as the absence of gravity. Now, you are saying there is something that actually cancels heat instead of just removing it - an anti-heat? Can we find this concept in Quantum Mechanics? Can you elaborate? Jojo PS: This reminds me of a Bible passage which talks of a darkness that can be felt... Hey, maybe you're not too way off on this. - Original Message - From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:18 AM Subject: [Vo]:Got mass? Princeton scientists observe electrons become both heavy and speedy Got mass? Princeton scientists observe electrons become both heavy and speedy http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S33/94/41S36/ It is remarkable to watch electrons moving in a crystal evolve into more massive particles as we cool them down, said Ali Yazdani, a professor of physics at Princeton and head of the team that conducted the study. This is consistent with my belief that inertia is form of coldness and that coldness is something substantively real rather than merely being the mere absence of heat. Harry
Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things!
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: ** I believe you are mistaken. The round white end is the insulating ceramic. If you look closely, you can barely see the protruding electrode. The ground electrode can not be clearly seen. Either it can not be seen in this picture due to its angle or it has been cut off. You are entitled to your opinion and I will defend to the death your right to have it. I just disagree! :-) T
Re: [Vo]:Got mass? Princeton scientists observe electrons become both heavy and speedy
This line of thought reminds me of the hole-electron way of looking at semiconductors. My mind is stuck on the electron side of the fence. Dave -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:52 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Got mass? Princeton scientists observe electrons become both heavy and speedy I am reconsidering old ontologies, discarded in the middle 19th entury, as a jumping off point. his paper published in 1984 describes a little known experiment in radiant ooling done in the late 18th century by Pictet and repeated a few years later y Count Rumford. https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BxxczzEYA5C5Rmg2b0ljZG9yaVk What we usually hear about Rumford is his canon boring evidence against the aloric theory of heat. However, less well known is his theory of frigorific ays.He held that cold emanations were as real as hot emenations and he nterpreted the Pictet experiment as evidence of his theory. In the paper the radiant cooling effect observed is _qualitatively_ xplained using modern adiantive heat transfer theory. However, the geometric symmetry of the xperiment does not invalidate the existence of frigorific rays. umfords proposed a resonant model of radiation which could excite otion in materials (radiant heating) or dampen motioninmaterials frigorific cooling). Th author of the paper points out some redictive difficulties with his model, but I think this comes from aking Rumfords ringing bell analogy too literally. Anyway what nterests me was his intuition that cold is more than just the absence f heat, i.e. that cold has some positive existence. I think it is possible to redesign the experiment so that it would either learly support Rumfords intuition or dispose of it. It is relevant to note that well before Rumford, Francis Bacon also regarded old as having an independent existence from heat, although his particular of onceptions of cold as a contractive power and heat as an expansive power ere different from Rumford's. Harry n Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: Interesting! We always thought of cold as the absence of heat, darkness as the absence of light, evil as the absence of good, weightlessness as the absence of gravity. Now, you are saying there is something that actually cancels heat instead of just removing it - an anti-heat? Can we find this concept in Quantum Mechanics? Can you elaborate? Jojo PS: This reminds me of a Bible passage which talks of a darkness that can be felt... Hey, maybe you're not too way off on this. - Original Message - From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:18 AM Subject: [Vo]:Got mass? Princeton scientists observe electrons become both heavy and speedy Got mass? Princeton scientists observe electrons become both heavy and speedy http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S33/94/41S36/ It is remarkable to watch electrons moving in a crystal evolve into more massive particles as we cool them down, said Ali Yazdani, a professor of physics at Princeton and head of the team that conducted the study. This is consistent with my belief that inertia is form of coldness and that coldness is something substantively real rather than merely being the mere absence of heat. Harry
Re: [Vo]:Karl May vs Rossi
Dear Guenther, I have no idea why you have ignored what I wrote pro Karl May. By the way, forced analogies are a straight way to erronated thinking and this one is very much so. Karl May has created stories and not bad ones, Rossi has created an energy source- and is not very skiled in commercializing it (a problem of engineering and development) but his system is the first having technological value. And I also don't think he belongs to the 5-th column infiltrated in LENR Land to discredit it. Karl May is good writer, sui generis! Peter On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 2:09 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: Luv it Terry! -mi -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 3:49 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Karl May vs Rossi My favorite piccy of Marx and Lennon: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/ba/Hcybitpaowynaaa.jpg T (ha! I changed the reply to address) -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
