Re: [Vo]:graphs of reaction and decay networks
Thank you. Excellent catch. Eric On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:44 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Where are the tritium and the neutrons? This reaction has two branches that occur with nearly equal probability: D + D→ T+ 1H D + D→ 3He+ n Then 2 1D + 3 1T → 4 2He + 1 0n http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron Cheers:Axil On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:50 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote: Hi Eric, I made a quick calculation and believe that your balance adds up. The net process is equal to the production of a He4 atom from two deuterons. Each deuteron releases 2.224 MeV to build from parts while a He4 atom releases 28.2933 MeV if constructed from basic parts. So if you start with the two deuterons and end with He4 you get 28.2933 - 2 * 2.224 = 23.8453 MeV. The total released by your two reactions is 23.8 MeV. The numbers appear to correlate. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 11:54 pm Subject: [Vo]:graphs of reaction and decay networks I've put together some graphs of exothermic proton and deuteron capture reaction networks for several materials together with associated decay chains. See: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BzKtdce19-wySThpSnd3bUxJdDQ A PDF can be obtained by choosing Download from the File menu at the left. If you see any details in error, let me know. There is a fascinating pair of reactions that I haven't completely made sense of yet: 15N + D - 13C + A + 7.7 MeV 13C + D - 15N + γ + 16.1 MeV At face value, it is a catalytic reaction that takes deuterium and yields helium-4. But I'm not able to make sense of the energy balance. it appears to be saying that if you take 15N and add deuterium, you'll get 13C and some energy, and if you take 13C and add deuterium, you'll get 15N and some energy. I've probably messed up the calculation; if not, there's some magic going on there. Eric
Re: [Vo]:graphs of reaction and decay networks
I wrote: Thank you. Excellent catch. My mistake. See page 4. I'm finding it a little hard to translate in my head from 2H and 3H to D and T, but they're at the bottom of the graph. The dark green lines mean X + D. Eric
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:A LENR route to green fission?
Axil,
{snip] Slow loading produced radiation and fast loading
produced heat.[/snip] I think this factoid supports more interest in the Haisch
- Moddel concept of circulating gas through permanent tunnels of alternating
Casimir and insulating layers - the loading and de-loading are both accelerated
- slow loading is almost eliminated by the constant gas flow - it also has an
inherent design that avoids hot spots and aides in heat sinking - I'm
suggesting a hybrid that employs their concept of circulation with fractional
hydrogen instead of the Lamb pinch of noble gas but still employs the smaller
geometry afforded by random self assembly of powders. I don't know if
insulating layers could be easily incorporated or just depend on the range of
geometry to vary the suppression.
Fran
From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 1:35 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:A LENR route to green fission?
Piantelli also found the two channel effect in his radiation experiments. This
behavior was caused by the speed in which hydrogen loading was done in nickel.
Slow loading produced radiation and fast loading produced heat.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=sfrm=1source=webcd=1cad=rjaved=0CCkQFjAAurl=http%3A%2F%2Fnewenergytimes.com%2Fv2%2Flibrary%2F2004%2F2004Focardi-EvidenceOfElectromagneticRadiation.pdfei=WqpaULaAFIXy0gGb94DABQusg=AFQjCNHu3w5dimV_JIaouNutOQePoXu2Pgsig2=D0x1bSsDVfrhx7bM0uaKyg
A formation of condensate of proton pairs would thermalize the energy coming
out of these LENR based nuclear reactions.
If the proton condensate does not form, the LENR associated radiation comes out
of the nucleus as energetic particles since there is no proton condensate
available to thermalize this nuclear energy.
Cheers:Axil
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 4:33 PM,
pagnu...@htdconnect.commailto:pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:
Good points, Jeff
Maybe, I'm assuming incorrectly, bu from Mosier-Boss paper excerpt -
These results indicated that there were at least two channels - an
aneutronic channel that produced heat (the so-called true Fleischmann-Pons
effect) and another channel that favored formation of energetic charged
particles, neutrons, and tritium. It was Swartz [3] who suggested that, by
adjusting the experimental parameters, one could
switch from one channel to the other.
- I surmised that rather than just fully aneutronic channels, there were
also low energy neutrons, since (I think) transmutations have been reported
in the absence of high energy neutron emissions.
Yes, Pu-239 is very long-lived, but doesn't this mean it will hang around
long enough to capture enough neutrons to convert to some shorter-lived
isotope? And, similarly with other long-lived byproducts?
-- Lou Pagnucco
Jeff Berkowitz wrote:
I'm having a hard time making sense of this on several levels.
For a one thing, the Mosier-Boss results (including the paper you link
below and previous papers, all found in a page on their site) document
fast
neutrons, not thermal neutrons. For another thing, fission would put the
lie to their waste claims. Methinks fission is fission; you're going to
get
the standard double-hump distribution of daughters, all radioactive.
I suppose you could moderate and thermalize the neutrons, But after
neutron
capture (as opposed to fission) by U-238, a short decay chain ensues that
quickly lands on Pu-239, which is long-lived and fissile. Not exactly a
desirable result.
Is there a real physicist in the house!? ;-)
Jeff
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:15 AM,
pagnu...@htdconnect.commailto:pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:
A company formed by some SPAWAR alumni (and others), Global Energy
Corporation claims to have a green fission technology nearly ready for
testing in smaller markets -
GUAM POWER AUTHORITY EXPLORES NUCLEAR POWER
Next generation facilities could reduce power costs
http://pidp.eastwestcenter.org/pireport/2012/February/02-13-02.htm
Virginia firm offers nuclear energy
http://www.mvariety.com/cnmi/cnmi-news/local/46996-virginia-firm-offers-nuclear-energy.php
(Company website) http://www.globalenergycorporation.net/
A possibly relevant ICCF-17 paper -
It's not Low Energy - But it is Nuclear - Pamela A. Mosier-Boss
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Mosier-Boss-Its-Not-Low-Energy-Paper.pdf
My interpretation is that they expect to use LENR to generate relatively
low-energy neutrons to initiate fission chains starting with U-238 and
terminating in fairly harmless wastes. To me, it seems similar to the
Thorium reactor approach.
Their adviser list seems impressive. Any opinions?
- Lou Pagnucco
Re: [Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion
RE: [Vo]:Final response to Jojo Jaro2012/08/19 From Abd, Contrary to his [Jojo's] earlier statements, Jojo apparently does want to have the last word. So this is my last communication in response to him. I'm adding his email address to a deletion file. What took you so long? Regards, Steven -- OrionWorks - Steven Vincent JohnsonI agree! Will add to deletion file also.
[Vo]:
[snip] This work is at a very early development stage, and it's all about post-nucleation, Yakobson said. Nucleation sets what I think of as the genetic code - very primitive compared to biology - that determines the chirality and the speed of growth of a nanotube. He said it may be possible someday to dictate the form of a nanotube as it begins to bubble up from a catalyst, but it will take a lot of ingenuity. [/snip] http://www.google.com/search?q=froarty+nanotube+cornellsourceid=ie7rls=com.microsoft:en-USie=utf8oe=utf8rlz= Interesting new way to put it - where Peng Chen at Cornell discovered catalytic action only occurs at breaks in nanotube geometry http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/April09/nanotubeCatalysts.ws.html this new article says catalytic forces construct the nanotube... changes in geometry don't occur in a tube shape so the articles taken together seem to reinforce that this geometry is just nature selecting for a path of lower resistance where attraction forces are eliminated or cancel. It also reinforces why strong catalysts are typically difficult to construct, 2 step procedures where nature would otherwise reduce or eliminate their potency via stiction [leaching of alloys to create skeletal cats] - It leads me to reiterate these geometries are probably forming and self destructing all around us all the time on such a tiny spatial and temporal scale we never even detect them but should be what we target in our methodology to create and maintain new super catalysts [leaching or milling in an inert heat sunk environment]. Fran
Re: [Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion
Def: Ad Nauseum = Jojo Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy Jojo Jaro Tue, 07 Aug 2012 17:48:28 -0700 Alan, the link is interesting and if you are suggesting that I should take this Obama Ineligibility discussion there, I am not the one you should be concerned about. Jed started this mess with a insult to Birthers. My responses on this stops the minute no one else throws another insult or ridicule. Jojo - Original Message - From: Alan J Fletcher To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 3:50 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy At 07:39 PM 8/6/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: Jed, Obama was indeed NOT born in Hawaii. If he was, why the fake Birth Certificate? Why hide his Birth Certificate for so long? Once again, I find myself having to correct your misinformation. You like taking pot shots and insult those you disagree with, using these one liners. Jojo http://thefogbow.com/forum/index.php
Re: [Vo]:question about passive solar heat
Frank, Just an idea. I know you want to run the system even when the water is off, but you could design the system to momentarily pressurize as long as the apex valve is open, then turn off. Bob At 08:01 PM 9/19/2012, you wrote: I live in the city with gas hot water. Its not for me but its for an isolated cabin. It has a pressurized system, however, I want to transfer hot water to the tank even when the water is off. I think the loop idea may work. It will only transfer a fraction of its flow rate to the tank and many have enough reserve lift to carry the cold water up. It is getting a little late in the season to try it out. -Original Message- From: Robert Dorr rod...@comcast.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:33 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:question about passive solar heat Frank; I made the assumption you are on a city type pressurized water system, therefore no need to lift to roof. If your not, I see the dilemma. Pretty hard to do without some type of pump. Bob At 05:24 PM 9/19/2012, you wrote: Frank, How about just using black hose running in a back and forth direction from the bottom of your roof to its apex, with a temperature sensitive valve at the apex point, and a black hose, from the apex, running down the sunny side of your house into the hot water container in your basement. When the water at the apex of your roof attains a pre-selected temperature the valve opens and lets waterenter the system from the low point of your roof pushing the water into the container in the basement, until the temperature at the apex lowers to a predetermined temperature and shuts off. Repeat. Bob snip Thanks Bob. The problem is that cold water must then be lifted to the roof from the basement. It takes lift to get it to go up.
Re: [Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion
On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:14:17 -0400 hyuk...@asia.com wrote: Def: Ad Nauseum = Jojo Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy Jojo Jaro Tue, 07 Aug 2012 17:48:28 -0700 Alan, the link is interesting and if you are suggesting that I should take this Obama Ineligibility discussion there, I am not the one you should be concerned about. Jed started this mess with a insult to Birthers. My responses on this stops the minute no one else throws another insult or ridicule. Good for you. Some of these people need to have their smugness-level lowered.
Re: [Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion
JoJo is a sharp guy. He might benefit from a Dale Carnegie course... On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote: On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:14:17 -0400 hyuk...@asia.com wrote: Def: Ad Nauseum = Jojo Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy Jojo Jaro Tue, 07 Aug 2012 17:48:28 -0700 Alan, the link is interesting and if you are suggesting that I should take this Obama Ineligibility discussion there, I am not the one you should be concerned about. Jed started this mess with a insult to Birthers. My responses on this stops the minute no one else throws another insult or ridicule. Good for you. Some of these people need to have their smugness-level lowered.
[Vo]:A LENR route to green fission?
Green fission ??? I don't think so. LOL. Fission by any other name is dirtier-than-dirt (but cleaner than burning coal) so to call it green is a sacrilege in a way, even if we use thorium or natural U (un-enriched) as the fuel. Nevertheless, if a fission reactor can be made strongly subcritical - thus to avoid any possibility of another Fukushima event, and also burn up most of its ash during operation - then it is possible that yes- a less-toxic version could find a place in a future mix of energy resources where we manage to eliminate coal. Coal-burning puts far more radioactivity into the environment than nuclear, even when you factor in an occasional Fukushima or Chernobyl failure every decade. Of course, this would be assuming that LENR does not materialize as a viable resource... but, as most of us here opine, that will happen - and if it does, and there is no valid reason even to speculate on creating a future dependency on cleaner fission. It is almost as laughable as legitimate rape. Nevertheless - in the event that we are wrong - on Nickel-hydrogen in particular, there could be benefit from using some of the findings of LENR - particularly nano-geometry and dense loading - in a novel form of fission which is strongly subcritical, uses natural U and burns its own waste in situ. Actually this demands only one thing: a cheap and robust external source of neutrons. Is that possible? Maybe it is, with dense hydrogen (IRH) and especially dense deuterium. The known solution for copious external neutrons - with which to feed such a subcritical reactor, is far from cheap. It is a beam line, usually operating in the GeV range of particle acceleration. Cost $500 million and up. This is what 'big physics' is pushing for strongly, since they are familiar with it, and it will continue their influence over the field, since it is obvious to almost everyone that hot fusion is a bust. However, another possibility is a short, cheap accelerator for a loaded LENR target. This could be the answer to all of the objections. By short we are talking 10 meters max, and a cost three orders of magnitude less than a beam line. We can call this concept warm ICF to distinguish it from LERN. Basically what we are looking for is dense deuterium (inverted Rydberg deuterium) loaded into a metal matrix, so that when a BB-sized pellet is moderately accelerated into a target, at almost trivial acceleration, we see a few percent of the deuterium being stripped of neutrons (Oppenheimer Phillips effect). That would do it elegantly and cheaply. However, even 'thinking small' like this, it combines the worst feature of big physics which is high cost of development and long lag time, with the worst feature of LENR (lack of theory to explain stripping which is probably a form of LENR in its broadest context). In fact, I wish I had back the 15 minutes it took to write this post ... since the idea is dead-in-the-water, as a practical matter, because it offends almost everyone concerned ! Jones attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion
It's Ad Nauseam. genius!!! If you're going to imitate my use of certain terms, do it correctly Learn to spell. Don't they teach that in commie university back there in the mainland?. Jojo - Original Message - From: hyuk...@asia.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion Def: Ad Nauseum = Jojo
Re: [Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion
I too wonder why Chen/Chan/Phen/Mint/quickly,reliable, puppy dog, etc. is posting anonymous claims of LENR success and explosions, patents pending, and the like.. Care to tell us your real story? Respectfully... - Brad p.s. I don't agree with Jojo's characterization of the Chinese!
Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites
At 12:25 PM 9/19/2012, Jones Beene wrote: If I had a nickel for every time ... So ... with that caveat in mind, here's a cheap tip about what to do with another cheap tip - all those Buffalo coins you've been saving for the meter ... IOW - there is a ready source of Romanowski alloy for Celani type reactions in your pocket, or center console, as we speak. The U.S. nickel has been a cupronickel since 1913 and the composition is rather similar to Constantan: 75% copper 25% nickel with trace amounts of manganese. Romanowski would approve. Last year I had a private email from Charles (Chuck) Sites --- who has given me permission to post : I was reading Vortex-L and followed your link. I'm an old cold fusion guy but pretty much a lurker. I found your article on Rossi's E-Cat to be very interesting. Here is a story about CF, from 1984 with Pons and Flieshman announced their discovery, I was a young excited physics student, and immediately want to test the concept of CF. I didn't have palladium, nor deuterium. So I was looking for an alternative. I was thinking, Boron has a very large cross section (Q factor) and B11 could easily cold fuse given the right circumstances. So looking at what I had, what would be a good source of Ni? Not knowing it's metal makeup I choose an American nickel 5-cent piece. (75 percent copper, 25 percent Ni) This was the Anode. A source of Boron, would be Borax (Na2B4.10H2O). The cathode, I used graphite. This was hooked up to a 65 Watt 5 Volt supply from an IBM PC. To my surprise, the Nickel got extraordinarily hot. Too hot to touch, and I melted several plastic p tree dish before changing to jars. I was always able to bring pint of water to 80C after running for about 8 hours. Other metals used for the Anode, showed no indications of even being warm. (Steel, Aluminum, Copper, Zinc). So a US 5 cent piece gave great results. I even had a Geiger counter go off once, but it may have been a cosmic ray. Given that, I could never really understand how this Nickel got hot without radiation. I could never get a theory as to how it worked either, in spite of the fact that the experiment is very repeatable.
[Vo]:The Believers
World Premiere of The Believers October 16 and October 20, 2012 https://www.facebook.com/thebelieversmovie About 20 years ago, they said they could change the world. Some people still believe them. Description The second feature-length documentary from Chicago-based 137 Films, whose mission is to promote science literacy through storytelling. Harry
Re: [Vo]:A LENR route to green fission?
Axil, I am not sure that it's relevant, but (at least what appears to be) odd deterministic heat cycling appears when H2 or D2 is loaded into Pd powder. See - Chaos in oscillatory heat evolution accompanying the sorption of hydrogen and deuterium in palladium http://arxiv.org/abs/1209.3873 An empirical dependence of frequency in the oscillatory sorption of H2 and D2 in Pd on the first ionization potential of noble gases http://arxiv.org/abs/1105.1501 Oscillatory Rates of Heat Evolution during Sorption of Hydrogen in Palladium http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jp805414a My quick computation does not show any anomalous heat, but maybe some similar effects occur for Ni. -- Lou Pagnucco Axil wrote: Piantelli also found the two channel effect in his radiation experiments. This behavior was caused by the speed in which hydrogen loading was done in nickel. Slow loading produced radiation and fast loading produced heat. http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=sfrm=1source=webcd=1cad=rjaved=0CCkQFjAAurl=http%3A%2F%2Fnewenergytimes.com%2Fv2%2Flibrary%2F2004%2F2004Focardi-EvidenceOfElectromagneticRadiation.pdfei=WqpaULaAFIXy0gGb94DABQusg=AFQjCNHu3w5dimV_JIaouNutOQePoXu2Pgsig2=D0x1bSsDVfrhx7bM0uaKyg A formation of condensate of proton pairs would thermalize the energy coming out of these LENR based nuclear reactions. If the proton condensate does not form, the LENR associated radiation comes out of the nucleus as energetic particles since there is no proton condensate available to thermalize this nuclear energy. Cheers:Axil On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 4:33 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Good points, Jeff Maybe, I'm assuming incorrectly, bu from Mosier-Boss paper excerpt - These results indicated that there were at least two channels - an aneutronic channel that produced heat (the so-called true Fleischmann-Pons effect) and another channel that favored formation of energetic charged particles, neutrons, and tritium. It was Swartz [3] who suggested that, by adjusting the experimental parameters, one could switch from one channel to the other. - I surmised that rather than just fully aneutronic channels, there were also low energy neutrons, since (I think) transmutations have been reported in the absence of high energy neutron emissions. Yes, Pu-239 is very long-lived, but doesn't this mean it will hang around long enough to capture enough neutrons to convert to some shorter-lived isotope? And, similarly with other long-lived byproducts? -- Lou Pagnucco Jeff Berkowitz wrote: I'm having a hard time making sense of this on several levels. For a one thing, the Mosier-Boss results (including the paper you link below and previous papers, all found in a page on their site) document fast neutrons, not thermal neutrons. For another thing, fission would put the lie to their waste claims. Methinks fission is fission; you're going to get the standard double-hump distribution of daughters, all radioactive. I suppose you could moderate and thermalize the neutrons, But after neutron capture (as opposed to fission) by U-238, a short decay chain ensues that quickly lands on Pu-239, which is long-lived and fissile. Not exactly a desirable result. Is there a real physicist in the house!? ;-) Jeff On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:15 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: A company formed by some SPAWAR alumni (and others), Global Energy Corporation claims to have a green fission technology nearly ready for testing in smaller markets - GUAM POWER AUTHORITY EXPLORES NUCLEAR POWER Next generation facilities could reduce power costs http://pidp.eastwestcenter.org/pireport/2012/February/02-13-02.htm Virginia firm offers nuclear energy http://www.mvariety.com/cnmi/cnmi-news/local/46996-virginia-firm-offers-nuclear-energy.php (Company website) http://www.globalenergycorporation.net/ A possibly relevant ICCF-17 paper - Its not Low Energy But it is Nuclear - Pamela A. Mosier-Boss http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Mosier-Boss-Its-Not-Low-Energy-Paper.pdf My interpretation is that they expect to use LENR to generate relatively low-energy neutrons to initiate fission chains starting with U-238 and terminating in fairly harmless wastes. To me, it seems similar to the Thorium reactor approach. Their adviser list seems impressive. Any opinions? - Lou Pagnucco
Re: [Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion
I am an engineer, spelling is less important On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: It's Ad Nauseam. genius!!! If you're going to imitate my use of certain terms, do it correctly Learn to spell. Don't they teach that in commie university back there in the mainland?. Jojo - Original Message - From: hyuk...@asia.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion Def: Ad Nauseum = Jojo
Re: [Vo]:The Believers
http://vimeo.com/31868146 http://www.137films.org/
Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability
Alain, this order is bad in real lifen and the rejection of LENR is caused by that pseudo-rational pathology... I appreciate Your fight against pathoskepticism and partly agree. To converge on the issue, let me comment: in real life the inventors discover a phenomenon, try to make it useful... This is not universally the case, and depends on the TYPE of invention or discovery. It is probably useful to distinguish between 'in-ven-tion' and 'dis-covery'. A discovery results from genuine curiosity like amber/electrostatics, Galvani/proto-battery. 'In-ven-tion' has a peculiar smell : It means: To incorporate something into a pool of property: therefore eg 'Corporation', which is a super-body of property. Like it or not. I have very little hope that my american friends here understand that. Because You are obviously French, maybe You do. Anyway. -finally scientist get the story and make a theory compatible with other scientific theory... Well. No. This is not the general case. theory is not a goal, but a tool to make things work... Well. No. It is a conceptual vehicle to reduce complexity and make predictions. At times so successfully that we are inclined to mistake it as 'reality'. -- Two examples: 1) Newton 'gravity'. Did Newton 'invent' gravity? Not in the above sense. Did Newton 'discover' gravity? Not really. It is an element of a conceptual SYSTEM, to make it cohernet! It is a conceptual vehicle like 'temperature'! Newton CONSTRUCTED 'gravity'. Compare: ' Inventing Temperature --Measurement and Scientific Progress' http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/Philosophy/Science/?view=usaci=9780195337389 2) The telephone. Compared to Newton/gravity or Galvani/electricity it is TRIVIAL what Reis/Bell/Gray and other contenders did. See the timing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone#Patents (Same with the light-bulb, the phonograph etc) To repeat: This is TRIVIAL, because it is BASED ON EXISTING DISCOVERY/CONCEPTUALIZATION of physical laws, which is quite different to the state of LENR, where NO consensus exists wrt underlying physical laws/concepts! I could go on and on, but most vortexers would fall asleep. So I stop here. Guenter ### 2012/9/19 Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com my five cents: a) aim at reproducibility, whatever the COP or power-level. b) produce a working hypothesis c) investigate 'ash' and side-effects: radiation, energy bursts, etc. d) repeat (a), (b), (c) until convergence a robust 'theory-experiment'- loop is established. e) aim for 'commercial' level. Jumping to (e) prematurely is futile, quack, nonsensical. Commerce and science do not mix easily, to be polite. Please spare me Edison or Tesla. Bad examples. Galvani being a better one. Guenter
RE: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites
Alan, This is interesting, and we should encourage Chuck to replicate his finding in the modern context - using Celani's experiment as a guide, and with datalogging. It is too simple not to pursue, but anyone trying it should be aware that graphite electrodes will produce excess heat on their own (chemically) by first reducing and then oxidizing the carbon if enough voltage is present. See: http://bingofuel.online.fr/bingofuel/html/bfr10.htm But since Chuck says that the heating effect ONLY happened with the coin, and not with other electrodes and at low voltage - then that lack of is exactly the factor which makes this anecdote interesting. Using the nickel coin as anode for electrolysis would tend to oxidize the copper to copper oxide. This is essentially what Celani does, with heat treatment of Constantan. Coincidence? However, in electrolysis - copper oxidation would tend to electrically insulate the anode skin so that it would not pass as much current. The fact that the anode got very hot would at first seem to be a function of oxidation, except that again, this would not explain why his copper anode did not do the same. IOW- the mundane discovery of possible electrode redox contributions may not explain-away a potential thermal anomaly, assuming that one exists. Taken at face value, then - there could be a valid and very basic LENR anomaly here, but like so many anecdotes of this kind - which were not carefully documented at the time, it impossible for us to be sure in retrospect. If you are listening, Chuck - let me encourage you to try to recreate your experiment while documenting the power-in and temperature rise in the liquid, as you did before but using datalogging and better technique. Serendipity lives! You could have stumbled onto something. The borax could be a key in the context of the coin operating as a spillover catalyst, but with hydrogen as opposed to deuterium. The reason that I mention without deuterium is that boron-10 has always been assumed to be the active nuclear species in boron, due to its extraordinary neutron cross-section. There would be no neutron here, unless it is virtual. Boron-11 has a tiny neutron cross-section; instead, it is neutron heavy, which could indicate some degree of Coulomb shielding for an approaching proton. However, that reaction would not account for the anode heat - as it would be deposited in the liquid if the boron was the locus. So the further advice for a better technique is to position one thermocouple on the anode, and another in the electrolyte, in order to determine exactly where the excess heat is occurring, if you can reproduce the effect. ... but cough, cough: If I had a nickel for every time... Jones -Original Message- From: Alan J Fletcher If I had a nickel for every time ... So ... with that caveat in mind, here's a cheap tip about what to do with another cheap tip - all those Buffalo coins you've been saving for the meter ... IOW - there is a ready source of Romanowski alloy for Celani type reactions in your pocket, or center console, as we speak. The U.S. nickel has been a cupronickel since 1913 and the composition is rather similar to Constantan: 75% copper 25% nickel with trace amounts of manganese. Romanowski would approve. Last year I had a private email from Charles (Chuck) Sites --- who has given me permission to post : I was reading Vortex-L and followed your link. I'm an old cold fusion guy but pretty much a lurker. I found your article on Rossi's E-Cat to be very interesting. Here is a story about CF, from 1984 with Pons and Flieshman announced their discovery, I was a young excited physics student, and immediately want to test the concept of CF. I didn't have palladium, nor deuterium. So I was looking for an alternative. I was thinking, Boron has a very large cross section (Q factor) and B11 could easily cold fuse given the right circumstances. So looking at what I had, what would be a good source of Ni? Not knowing it's metal makeup I choose an American nickel 5-cent piece. (75 percent copper, 25 percent Ni) This was the Anode. A source of Boron, would be Borax (Na2B4.10H2O). The cathode, I used graphite. This was hooked up to a 65 Watt 5 Volt supply from an IBM PC. To my surprise, the Nickel got extraordinarily hot. Too hot to touch, and I melted several plastic p tree dish before changing to jars. I was always able to bring pint of water to 80C after running for about 8 hours. Other metals used for the Anode, showed no indications of even being warm. (Steel, Aluminum, Copper, Zinc). So a US 5 cent piece gave great results. I even had a Geiger counter go off once, but it may have been a cosmic ray. Given that, I could never really understand how this Nickel got hot without radiation. I could never get a theory as to how it worked either, in spite of the fact that the experiment is very repeatable. attachment: winmail.dat
[Vo]:Vortex Brainpower
Guys, Go with me on this one: My latest dark/collapsed matter theory predicts a couple of things I want to ask your help on: 1) During an active orbit of dark matter through/around the earth (which is happening right now wherever there are intense low pressure systems and sinkholes forming), which can last for months, I have a massive particle with +/- 1E29 Joules of Kinetic Energy passing in a fairly steady stream into a sinkhole or part of Earth somewhere. Where it comes out is a hurricane or twister. Where it goes in is a sinkhole or earthquake waiting to happen. What is the best way to collect/utilize that energy? It is what is collapsing the earth in Louisiana. Can I put a coil around it? I am not sure if it carries a charge or not. It gives of Hawking radiation/heat but I think is in equilibrium with the air. Maybe a thermosiphon? It is the source of energy for most earthquakes, Hurricanes, etc... 2) My latest update predicts that , possibly, the crop circles that are not the trampled kind (faked) may be caused by this dark matter orbiting through the earth which is inducing changes in the stalks: http://www.bltresearch.com/plantab.php Based upon the patterns formed which are beautiful, are the orbiting particles really creating that intricate pattern by earth's rotation, etc. or is the dark matter trying to tell us something??? i.e. communicate to us Stewart http://darkmattersalot.com P.S. I have not been drinking wine/alcohol.
Re: [Vo]:Vortex Brainpower
And the pyramids?
Re: [Vo]:Vortex Brainpower
Just blocks On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: And the pyramids?
Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability
Well, Let me tell You: As an 'inventor' myself, not of the trivial Apple sort, the non-obviousness is in the eye of competent. My 'invention' was about an interferometer which is insensitive to five of six degrees of freedom. Not an easy task. BUT: it was completely within existing physical laws, AND, You guessed, I was not the first one. Some polish guy had the idea two years earlier, and because of the iron courtain he could not apply and defend it in the West. As a fair arbitrator I would have liked to congratulate my Polish like-mind. But this is not how the capitalist-competitive-world pinpoints the issue. It took me some years to identify the essence of that. Guenter Jed Rothwell ... James Bowery wrote: No. Patentability criteria are: Novel, non-obvious and useful. The utility of a patent does not exist if it doesn't actually work. Correct. I think useful means usable. That is, the invention does something, however trivial. It works. The purpose it is applied to may be trivial, or of no practical or desirable use to anyone. It does not have to have any commercial value. I base this on discussions with David French, and also on various websites that say things like: the invention must have some usefulness (utility), no matter how trivial. David French emphasizes that just because you get a patent, that does not mean the invention has any commercial value or that you will make any money from it. He says many patents are awarded for inventions that no one wants. They are useless in that sense. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Vortex Brainpower
BTW, the particle is orbiting with a speed in the neighborhood of 500 miles/second and zooms by only once every 1-100 seconds depending upon its orbit. My suggestions for a long life: Don't walk or fly into or between active sinkholes, potholes, waterspouts, dust devils, tornadoes or hurricanes (I hope you already knew the last two) Don't stay in the same place for too long in case an energetic heavy particle is orbiting through that point on the earth, very bad for your health - personal sinkhole. If you detect a 0-1 Hz reoccurring seismic activity in your vicinity (1-100 second period) and you are near an active fault line, get out. Figure out what those crop circles are telling us. Stewart http://darkmattersalot.com On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 1:41 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Guys, Go with me on this one: My latest dark/collapsed matter theory predicts a couple of things I want to ask your help on: 1) During an active orbit of dark matter through/around the earth (which is happening right now wherever there are intense low pressure systems and sinkholes forming), which can last for months, I have a massive particle with +/- 1E29 Joules of Kinetic Energy passing in a fairly steady stream into a sinkhole or part of Earth somewhere. Where it comes out is a hurricane or twister. Where it goes in is a sinkhole or earthquake waiting to happen. What is the best way to collect/utilize that energy? It is what is collapsing the earth in Louisiana. Can I put a coil around it? I am not sure if it carries a charge or not. It gives of Hawking radiation/heat but I think is in equilibrium with the air. Maybe a thermosiphon? It is the source of energy for most earthquakes, Hurricanes, etc... 2) My latest update predicts that , possibly, the crop circles that are not the trampled kind (faked) may be caused by this dark matter orbiting through the earth which is inducing changes in the stalks: http://www.bltresearch.com/plantab.php Based upon the patterns formed which are beautiful, are the orbiting particles really creating that intricate pattern by earth's rotation, etc. or is the dark matter trying to tell us something??? i.e. communicate to us Stewart http://darkmattersalot.com P.S. I have not been drinking wine/alcohol.
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Vortex Brainpower
Are made of limestone [calcium] a conductive metal on the nano scale that forms suppressive cavities [Casimir] with trapped ambient gases that need some secret procedure to agitate and ionize before levitation :_) -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 1:57 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Vortex Brainpower And the pyramids?
RE: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites
I saw your post of that old email, and was kind of embarrassed to see I left out a few details, like my reasoning for Ni and Borax. At the time, I knew Ni to be a good catalyst for some hydrogen reactions, an could absorb good amounts of H into the lattice. Borax is used as a flux for welding Ni, and removes the oxide layers. It also happened to be a very nice Ionic compound and made for a excellent electrolyte. The currents was floating, but typically at peak temps in the +60C, it was 1 to 1.25 amps in 100ml/distilled H2O and 3g borax. Because the current floated, there was a build up that would last several hours at 0.001 to 0.22 amps (H loading) followed by an increase in current draw with heat. It proves one thing. It's not Ohmic heating. It's definitely a hydrogen in metal effect. On other quickie experiment I tried was a low voltage AC current using two nickels as electrodes. That also showed heat from both coins. That was 9V AC via a transformer. If that could be pre-pumped DC and then toggled to AC, I bet it would be good CF candidate. Anyway, because of those personal experiences with hydrogen in the Cu/Ni metals, it's hard for me to dismiss Rossi and the Ni/H experiments as fallacy. On the contrary, It sound like the he's onto something. What theory applies though, is still a mystery to me. Best Regards, Chuck
Re: [Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion
Brad, please not in this thread! I wonder what did I do wrong that I deserved this massive troll attack from chan, chem, vorl and jojo? Did anyone just realize that crowdfunding provided 110 000 dollars for almost single person company that is aiming to build a *space elevator*that is in operation by 2020? And if such idea is so feasible, cold fusion research could benefit quite significantly. I would guess that we could raise from Vortex mailing list alone annually some few hundred kilodollars. –Jouni On 20 September 2012 19:29, ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote: I too wonder why Chen/Chan/Phen/Mint/quickly,reliable, puppy dog, etc. is posting anonymous claims of LENR success and explosions, patents pending, and the like.. Care to tell us your real story? Respectfully... - Brad p.s. I don't agree with Jojo's characterization of the Chinese!
Re: [Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: Brad, please not in this thread! I wonder what did I do wrong that I deserved this massive troll attack from chan, chem, vorl and jojo? Just add them to your kill file. There were some people at ICCF17 trying to fund an experiment. See: http://www.quantumheat.org/ So far they have raised $40. Not an impressive sum. They told me recently they are expecting a lot more money Any Day Now. We'll see. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Scandal in Wikiland...
Incentives create self organizing systems that can do amazing things. There is no instinct to ignore facts. Its all about incentives. That's why my reaction to PF's announcement was this http://oocities.com/jim_bowery/BussardsLetter.html. On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: Not so good for us. The inquisitors that block LENr feel they have a sacred mission to protect the population from manipulation and herery... they will became even more fanatic. I'm not too much afraid about greedy people, because they are a little rational, more about honest closed minds. The Roland Benabou groupthink model insnot based on greedyness but on the insticitive method to ignore facts when someone put your beliefs assets in danger... 2012/9/19 MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net FYI: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57514677-93/corruption-in-wikiland-paid-pr-scandal-erupts-at-wikipedia/ ** ** …and this is probably more common than we think: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-19527797 ** ** As with anything on the net, if you want ALL the facts, you need to visit a number of sites which are discussing a given issue and use them as a kind of ‘debate’, where each site has its own slant. Reading the comment section can also be quite helpful… -Mark Iverson ** **
Re: [Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion
Hi Journi, I agree Crowd Funding is intriguing and would work if you just had a few bright people on your team that could demonstrate that they are able to produce results. Unfortunately, we have a lot of brainy people, but not enough people with a laboratory or workshop. I too say look to Russ for an example of open source building of the Papp engine build: http://rwgresearch.com/open-projects/the-papp-noble-gas-engine/ He has a number of things going for him: Honesty, personable, good mechanical skills... and he gets things accomplished. He could kickstart the Papp project or a LENR one. Another possible source is: Take a look also at: http://opensourcenuclearfuel.blogspot.com/ But I do think any LENR builder with a little bit of excess heat needs to come forward and help open source and/or KickStart their project, which is one reason I wanted to reach out to Chan. - Brad On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.comwrote: Brad, please not in this thread! I wonder what did I do wrong that I deserved this massive troll attack from chan, chem, vorl and jojo? Did anyone just realize that crowdfunding provided 110 000 dollars for almost single person company that is aiming to build a *space elevator*that is in operation by 2020? And if such idea is so feasible, cold fusion research could benefit quite significantly. I would guess that we could raise from Vortex mailing list alone annually some few hundred kilodollars. –Jouni On 20 September 2012 19:29, ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote: I too wonder why Chen/Chan/Phen/Mint/quickly,reliable, puppy dog, etc. is posting anonymous claims of LENR success and explosions, patents pending, and the like.. Care to tell us your real story? Respectfully... - Brad p.s. I don't agree with Jojo's characterization of the Chinese!
Re: [Vo]:Scandal in Wikiland...
Oh, I should add that the Wikipedia scum deleted all reference to Bussard's letter to Congress. You can't get it into Wikipedia. Original research... On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 2:44 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Incentives create self organizing systems that can do amazing things. There is no instinct to ignore facts. Its all about incentives. That's why my reaction to PF's announcement was this http://oocities.com/jim_bowery/BussardsLetter.html. On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: Not so good for us. The inquisitors that block LENr feel they have a sacred mission to protect the population from manipulation and herery... they will became even more fanatic. I'm not too much afraid about greedy people, because they are a little rational, more about honest closed minds. The Roland Benabou groupthink model insnot based on greedyness but on the insticitive method to ignore facts when someone put your beliefs assets in danger... 2012/9/19 MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net FYI: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57514677-93/corruption-in-wikiland-paid-pr-scandal-erupts-at-wikipedia/ ** ** …and this is probably more common than we think: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-19527797 ** ** As with anything on the net, if you want ALL the facts, you need to visit a number of sites which are discussing a given issue and use them as a kind of ‘debate’, where each site has its own slant. Reading the comment section can also be quite helpful… -Mark Iverson ** **
Re: [Vo]:Scandal in Wikiland...
Here is another report about this: http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/09/20/roger_bamkin_gibraltor_s_repeated_appearance_on_did_you_know_provkes_existential_crisis_for_wikipedia_.html
Re: [Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion
I apologize Jouni, my comments were never intended to be a troll attack. I will now desist. Jojo - Original Message - From: Jouni Valkonen To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 3:13 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion Brad, please not in this thread! I wonder what did I do wrong that I deserved this massive troll attack from chan, chem, vorl and jojo? Did anyone just realize that crowdfunding provided 110 000 dollars for almost single person company that is aiming to build a space elevator that is in operation by 2020? And if such idea is so feasible, cold fusion research could benefit quite significantly. I would guess that we could raise from Vortex mailing list alone annually some few hundred kilodollars. –Jouni On 20 September 2012 19:29, ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote: I too wonder why Chen/Chan/Phen/Mint/quickly,reliable, puppy dog, etc. is posting anonymous claims of LENR success and explosions, patents pending, and the like.. Care to tell us your real story? Respectfully... - Brad p.s. I don't agree with Jojo's characterization of the Chinese!
Re: [Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion
Hi Journi, I think you are a cool dude, I was commenting on JoJo's rather direct approach, its all good. May you sidestep all dark matter. Stewart On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: ** I apologize Jouni, my comments were never intended to be a troll attack. I will now desist. Jojo - Original Message - *From:* Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Friday, September 21, 2012 3:13 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion Brad, please not in this thread! I wonder what did I do wrong that I deserved this massive troll attack from chan, chem, vorl and jojo? Did anyone just realize that crowdfunding provided 110 000 dollars for almost single person company that is aiming to build a *space elevator*that is in operation by 2020? And if such idea is so feasible, cold fusion research could benefit quite significantly. I would guess that we could raise from Vortex mailing list alone annually some few hundred kilodollars. –Jouni On 20 September 2012 19:29, ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote: I too wonder why Chen/Chan/Phen/Mint/quickly,reliable, puppy dog, etc. is posting anonymous claims of LENR success and explosions, patents pending, and the like.. Care to tell us your real story? Respectfully... - Brad p.s. I don't agree with Jojo's characterization of the Chinese!
RE: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites
OK Chuck, I'll bite on the AC and nickels. Since I have borax in the medicine cabinet, along with a digital thermometer, 9v AC wall wart to cannibalize for the PS, kill-a-watt meter and a couple of hours of time ... everything in fact within a few meters of the computer ... except, dammit, for the two nickels :-) ... with which to compare against two penny's for thermal gain over an hour. Yikes, that makes it 2/3 of an opera, no? Call it a soap-opera if you must, unless the fat lady sings at the end. Jones Hey buddy, can you spare a dime? ... err... make that two nickels, for an instant cold fusion reactor :) -Original Message- From: Alan J Fletcher Chuck adds: One other quickie experiment I tried was a low voltage AC current using two nickels as electrodes. That also showed heat from both coins. That was 9V AC via a transformer ... attachment: winmail.dat
[Vo]:Antonymous automobile predictions
Interesting article. Optimistic predictions from the IEEE: http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/18/tech/innovation/ieee-2040-cars/index.html?hpt=hp_bn5 - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Antonymous automobile predictions
autonomous!!! That was a spell-correction typo. Not voice input. The 21st Century offers so many new ways to screw up. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:a paper of interest
is it what is called cognitive bias? the effect our cost to change. However about many recent scandal, in fiance and science, I prefer the theory of Roland Benabou (those who follow me know it is my pet subject, like ZPE is for some)... i shares some ideas but goes further. Basically he state first, based on well know observation that we can ignore fact that are clear, when we decide to ignore them for some reason... (even worse than cognitive bias, since here we dont refuse to move, we refuse to interact with facts). http://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers/Patterns%20of%20Denial%204l%20fin.pdf then he create an econometric model where he assume that people can ignore facts when the knowledge of those fact will reduce the estimated wealth (in real and moral assets, like money, fame, pride). then he compute it's consequences, and it is surprisingly enlightening, showing surprising consequences that are observed and usually illogical if you think people optimize their wealth http://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers/Patterns%20of%20Denial%204l%20fin.pdf it show many things, including : - in hierarchy (of economic dependence, not necessarily orders), the subordinates share the delusion of superior, to avoid seing how he will lose because of his boss delusion, while he cannot escape. - the clearer are the proof that people are in delusion, the more violent are the group of delusionned people to defend the illusion. (see fraudster, scam, denialist, negationist, revisionist) - people can miss opportunity to mitigate losses, simply to avoid seing they have lost it have consequences up to religious beliefs choices, perception of poor peoples, paradoxal tax choices... and explain deep US/Europe values gap while facts are very near. http://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers/BJW.pdf about CF and other scientific delusion, you can observe how violent can be the opposition when clear facts are presented, and how clearly stupid, clearly illogical, clearly corrupted, and perfectly accepted they can be (see report 41 and Science http://www.lenrforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=54t=451)... quite similar to Enron boss suicidal behavior at the end. Few people here really imagine how clear are the fact for a really neutral foreigner of the domain... I always talk of Stockholm Syndrome because people here play the ultra-skeptics not to believe too much in facts, but anyone used with usual science claims, will say that it is one of the really sure facts today, and that even the industrialist in LENR seems more credible than many well funded startup in IT, Renewable or similar fashion domains... the residual risk in LENR is far lower than in usual case. maybe we are partially delusioned because be are subordinate to the lords of science that have blocked LENR for decades, and we don't want to realize how far they have screwed us deep... too painful to realize it. 2012/9/20 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com We have, had and will have troubles with misinformation- from outside and from inside; therefore this paper can be of interest for some of our colleagues: *Misinformation: Why It Sticks and How to Fix It:* http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/09/120919191212.htm I want to emphasize it is about troubles, not problems. Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
RE: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites
At 01:25 PM 9/20/2012, Jones Beene wrote: OK Chuck, I'll bite on the AC and nickels. I asked Chuck if there are any dangers ... since he's still around 30 years later, and had a geiger counter, I presume the neutron flux wasn't too high. Heck, if this works it could be interesting.
[Vo]:Celani Device Time Constant
Further review of the Celani experiment documentation located at http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/CelaniFcunimnalloa.pdf has revealed additional information that I would like to have the vortex discuss. The performance of this device in a public demonstration where it shows excess heat due to LENR activity has gotten my attention and I hope that others of the group will take a closer look at the documentation. It would be beneficial to all of us if Celani would release the supporting data and I hope that is within his plans. Is anyone aware of when this might happen? I observed the graph on page 47 in an attempt to gain time domain response information to use in evaluating the power output performance and make predictions. If you look at this particular chart, you can see that it is expanded in time so that each horizontal division is 500 seconds long which is short compared to the other charts supplied. Also, the power is step applied to the inactive wire during this period and the glass temperature is recorded. The green curve representing the glass outer temperature rises smoothly and appears to follow an exponential curve. This is useful information since it suggests that any heat released by LENR processes will be filtered heavily before it shows up on the power graph. I estimate that the rise time of the green curve is about one horizontal division which is 500 seconds. If you take the time constant of 500 seconds and invert it you get a frequency of .002 radians per second. Turn this into hertz and you get .002 / 2 / pi = 3.18 E-4 Hertz. Any drive waveform will find itself subjected to this effective substantial low pass filter before it is detected as external glass heating and thus radiation. For instance, if an LENR effect generated 100 watts for 5 seconds before being quenched, it would be filtered quite well and appear as a power pulse far lower in power, perhaps 10 watts. I need to do further simulations to be confident in the actual power displayed versus present for support. With this new information in mind I took a further look at the chart on page 31. The first thing to notice is that each horizontal division is 50,000 seconds or 100 filter time constants. That fact will ensure that any pulses filtered by the time constant of the system will occur within a short span along the x axis. The shape of the excess power curve is strongly suggestive of a process that releases large impulsive heat spikes that are typically close together in time, but that separation varies quite a bit during the testing. Without the detailed supporting data we can not be sure of just how long each pulse typically lasts or how large an excursion it takes. If a large number of impulses arrive closely in time we would observe a relatively smoothly rising total curve that does not have much fuzz (ripple) visible. As the pulses arrive further apart, the ripple will increase and if long enough time is allowed between pulses the bottom of the curve will rapidly head toward zero power output. The curve offers plenty of examples of these effects to follow if you take the effort to view it. It has been my hypothesis for a while that there is a strong positive feedback mechanism responsible for the impulses that show up in the excess power. I express the mechanism more of less as follows: A differential quantity of heat is released within a NAE as a result of LENR activity. This heat flows through the thermal resistance in the local area and results in a differential elevation in temperature. Now, the tiny rise in temperature then leads to an increase in released LENR heat that is larger than the initial release. This process continues in a self sustaining exponential rise in local temperature and heat release until something quenches the process. Perhaps melting of the region occurs as a brake. Further research must be conducted if we are to understand exactly what happens, but once the process no longer is under the influence of positive feedback the temperature rapidly returns to the relaxed value. Positive feedback processes on many occasions occur with very short time constants depending upon the local parameters. In this situation I suspect that the impulses last for just a few seconds due to the general shape of the excess power curve. Had the time frame of the activity been in the hundreds of seconds, the curve most likely would have been smooth. What I am seeing within Celani's report is exciting and I think we should all look into it in detail since it appears to demonstrate LENR activity at high power levels and appears to be based upon good science and the information open to review. Others in our field tend to keep details secret and in many cases mislead us altogether. One day I hope that the other groups will behave in a more scientific mode. Let me know privately if desired whether or not my reviews are of
[Vo]:JCMNS Vols 6 to 9
http://www.iscmns.org/news.htm JCMNS Volumes 6 to 9 published 14 September 2012: Editor in Chief Jean Paul Biberian has released another volume of the peer reviewed Journal of Condensed Matter Nuclear Science. JCMNS-Vol6.pdf . JCMNS-Vol7.pdf . JCMNS-Vol8.pdf contains the first part of the ICCF-16 papers. Latest volume isJCMNS -Vol9.pdf ps : I have made a formal request on the Cold Fusion Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cold_fusion#ICCF_and_Journal_of_Condensed_Matter_Nuclear_Science_As_a_Reliable_Source that ICCF and JCMNS be admitted as a Reliable source (possibly with a disclaimer that it's a special interest group) -- which would mean that papers can be quoted DIRECTLY without waiting for some newspaper or other to comment on them. NOTE : Do NOT go there to discuss this, unless you're a long-standing Wiki editor. (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- and the defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
Re: [Vo]:Celani Device Time Constant
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 3:22 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Let me know privately if desired whether or not my reviews are of use to other members of the vortex. At times it seems that no one responds and I hate to keep taking up bandwidth of the organization if it is to no purpose. Dave, I always enjoy your reviews very much. I hope you continue with them. Often you go into details that are beyond any area of competence of mine, so I am content to just try to understand and learn about a dimension of the experiments that would otherwise be inaccessible to me. But the parts that I do understand make a lot of sense and square well with what I have read in other contexts, such as the short power excursions and so on. Regards, Eric
Re: [Vo]:Celani Device Time Constant
I wrote: On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 3:22 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Let me know privately if desired whether or not my reviews are of use to other members of the vortex. At times it seems that no one responds and I hate to keep taking up bandwidth of the organization if it is to no purpose. Dave, I always enjoy your reviews very much. I hope you continue with them. Often you go into details that are beyond any area of competence of mine, so I am content to just try to understand and learn about a dimension of the experiments that would otherwise be inaccessible to me. But the parts that I do understand make a lot of sense and square well with what I have read in other contexts, such as the short power excursions and so on. Oops. Personal email to the list ... ;) Eric
Re: [Vo]:Website on LENR Fuel Preparation
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: True. But maybe not a showstopper. Thin film gold is used in computer boards and plugs. If the gold can be effectively captured and recycled perhaps this could be made to work. I do not think the goal would transmute the way host metals sometimes do. I think this would be cheaper than using palladium. An interesting question here is whether the host material is a catalyst or whether it is consumed under LENR. I don't imagine we know enough at this point about the various processes and setups to say for sure one way or another or to generalize. But it is possible that some substrates, such as palladium, are essentially inert under LENR, while others, such as nickel, gold or carbon, will instead be consumed. In the latter case, recycling would not be possible. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Mark LeClair presents his thesis and supporting evidence
There is just 1 pic of the presentation. Is there more? 2012/9/21 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com http://smartscarecrow.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/092012_2020_Presentatio1.png Mark LeClair presented his thesis and supporting evidence(see reference above) in a live presentation on 9/20/2012. This presentation will be available on YouTube shortly. In slide 39, mark said that the Pons-Fleischmann effect is just a very weak version of the LeClair effect. Could the water crystal be the active agent in the PF effect. If this equivalency is true, could a tradeoff between the radiation and transmutation of cavatation in the LeClair effect be made by using nickel or palladium as the target material in the cavatation reactor where proton pairs on the surface of these metals might form and thermalize the nuclear reactivity of the water crystal(slide 16)? On Slide 20, LeClair shows how a water crystal had carved a 5 foot trench in a coil of copper wire. Cheers: Axil -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
