date:20130610

I will try this explanation once again and see it is understood this time.





*“First deuterons have to assemble into a BEC”*





This is the first assumption that is misleading you in to an incorrect
conclusion.





Deuterons are not necessarily involved in the BEC formation process.





It involves dipole MOTION.





The motion of charge separation becomes coherent.





See this video of periodic motion becoming synchronized* *

* *

* *

*32 out of sync metronomes end up synchronizing*

* *

* *

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqFc4wriBvE





When there is strong coupling between dipoles they will become coherent.





If you cannot believe your own eyes, it has been demonstrated in science
many times in many ways.





In the context of electron motion in a metal lattice, dipole movement is
defined as follows:



The product of magnitude of charge and the distance of separation between
the charges; *Dipole moment* may refer to the measure of the separation of
positive and negative electrical charges in a system of charges, that is, a
measure of the charge system's overall polarity.





*“Two d must first come together and remain together because they are able
to form a BEC rather than a D2 molecule.”*





This is a concept that is wholly formed in your own mind and has not been
experimentally verified by many experiments in the science of
Nanoplasmonics.





Kevin is referring to an experiment that shows how the coherent MOTION of
Rydberg atoms share large photons of laser energy. This experiment is
directly applicable example of how large photons of energy derived from
gainful subatomic transitions in atoms are shared in a metal lattice
through the action of coherent motion of charge separation.





*“You have to answer a series of questions if you go down this path. For
example, if two d can form a BEC and be stable, why do these BEC not grown
in number until they can be detected?”*
* *

* *



They have been detected in experiments by both George Miley and
Francesco Celani
when they detected a drop of electrical resistance in areas of dipole
condensation formation.







*“Why does the BEC wait to fuse?”*







A BEC is just one part of an EMF amplification cascade where EMF is
concentrated to levels so high that these force fields disrupt the normal
configurations within the nucleus of the atom and allow the nucleus to
reconfigure into a system of lower energy potential.







Usually, heavy nuclei become lighter in this process; however the
possibility that a proton will be incorporated in the new nuclear
configuration is possible but less likely.





*“I suspect these answers are not easy to justify. If the answers are not
provided, this mechanism cannot be a solution to the CF problem.”*





This mechanism of EMF amplification has been seen is Nanoplasmonic
experiments where the EMF produced in: “hot spots” become so intense that
the chemicals used to determine field EMF strength were destroyed.



LENR is just an intensification of the Nanoplasmonic “Hot Spot” mechanism
where EMF disruption becomes so strong that nuclear processes are affected.





From the standpoint of physical principles LENR vs. Nanoplasmonics, it is
more a matter of quantity rather than quality of the physical processes.












On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:

 Kevin, when you suggest involvement of a BEC, you need to consider the
 sequence of the process. First deuterons have to assemble into a BEC of a
 increasingly larger size. Two d must first come together and remain
 together because they are able to form a BEC rather than a D2 molecule.
 However, these two d do not fuse. Then another d arrives and joins the
 group. This assembly continues to be a BEC, but does not fuse. Only when
 hundreds of d have assembled does two of the members of the BEC fuse and
 communicate all of the fusion energy equally to all other members of the
 group.

  You have to answer a series of questions if you go down this path. For
 example, if two d can form a BEC and be stable, why do these BEC not grown
 in number until they can be detected? How big can a BEC get before it is
 unstable in a lattice or living cell? How big must this limit be before the
 energy from a single d-d fusion acquired by each emitted d is too small to
 detect? Why does the BEC wait to fuse? Why do only 2 d fuse in a large
 group? How is the Coulomb barrier reduced? How is energy communicated to
 all members of the BEC? I suspect these answers are not easy to justify. If
 the answers are not provided, this mechanism can not be a solution to the
 CF problem.

 Ed

 On Jun 9, 2013, at 9:46 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote:

  On another thread, Edmund Storms posted how many nuclear fusion atoms
 must take place to generate 1 Watt of power.  We can work backwords
 from that number, knowing that a certain number of Watts are
 generated.  Then we know how many atoms/second are fusing.  From that
 calculation you

Re: [Vo]:ENTANGLEMENT THRESHOLDS FOR RANDOM INDUCED STATES

2013-06-10 Thread Edmund Storms

Please Axil, stay in contact with what is observed. Helium is the  
observed nuclear product. This requires two d to fuse. These d are in  
isolated and random sublattice sites. They have to all get into one  
site to fuse. Therefore, they MUST assemble. The BEC is proposed to  
result from this assembly. I do not know what you have in mind but it  
is not related to what is known or what is being proposed.


Ed
On Jun 10, 2013, at 1:14 PM, Axil Axil wrote:

I will try this explanation once again and see it is understood this  
time.



“First deuterons have to assemble into a BEC”


This is the first assumption that is misleading you in to an  
incorrect conclusion.



Deuterons are not necessarily involved in the BEC formation process.


It involves dipole MOTION.


The motion of charge separation becomes coherent.


See this video of periodic motion becoming synchronized


32 out of sync metronomes end up synchronizing


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqFc4wriBvE


When there is strong coupling between dipoles they will become  
coherent.



If you cannot believe your own eyes, it has been demonstrated in  
science many times in many ways.



In the context of electron motion in a metal lattice, dipole  
movement is defined as follows:


The product of magnitude of charge and the distance of separation  
between the charges; Dipole moment may refer to the measure of the  
separation of positive and negative electrical charges in a system  
of charges, that is, a measure of the charge system's overall  
polarity.



“Two d must first come together and remain together because they are  
able to form a BEC rather than a D2 molecule.”



This is a concept that is wholly formed in your own mind and has not  
been experimentally verified by many experiments in the science of  
Nanoplasmonics.



Kevin is referring to an experiment that shows how the coherent  
MOTION of Rydberg atoms share large photons of laser energy. This  
experiment is directly applicable example of how large photons of  
energy derived from gainful subatomic transitions in atoms are  
shared in a metal lattice through the action of coherent motion of  
charge separation.



“You have to answer a series of questions if you go down this path.  
For example, if two d can form a BEC and be stable, why do these BEC  
not grown in number until they can be detected?”



They have been detected in experiments by both George Miley and  
Francesco Celani when they detected a drop of electrical resistance  
in areas of dipole condensation formation.




“Why does the BEC wait to fuse?”



A BEC is just one part of an EMF amplification cascade where EMF is  
concentrated to levels so high that these force fields disrupt the  
normal configurations within the nucleus of the atom and allow the  
nucleus to reconfigure into a system of lower energy potential.




Usually, heavy nuclei become lighter in this process; however the  
possibility that a proton will be incorporated in the new nuclear  
configuration is possible but less likely.



“I suspect these answers are not easy to justify. If the answers are  
not provided, this mechanism cannot be a solution to the CF problem.”



This mechanism of EMF amplification has been seen is Nanoplasmonic  
experiments where the EMF produced in: “hot spots” become so intense  
that the chemicals used to determine field EMF strength were  
destroyed.


LENR is just an intensification of the Nanoplasmonic “Hot Spot”  
mechanism where EMF disruption becomes so strong that nuclear  
processes are affected.



From the standpoint of physical principles LENR vs. Nanoplasmonics,  
it is more a matter of quantity rather than quality of the physical  
processes.








On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Edmund Storms  
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Kevin, when you suggest involvement of a BEC, you need to consider  
the sequence of the process. First deuterons have to assemble into a  
BEC of a increasingly larger size. Two d must first come together  
and remain together because they are able to form a BEC rather than  
a D2 molecule. However, these two d do not fuse. Then another d  
arrives and joins the group. This assembly continues to be a BEC,  
but does not fuse. Only when hundreds of d have assembled does two  
of the members of the BEC fuse and communicate all of the fusion  
energy equally to all other members of the group.


 You have to answer a series of questions if you go down this path.  
For example, if two d can form a BEC and be stable, why do these BEC  
not grown in number until they can be detected? How big can a BEC  
get before it is unstable in a lattice or living cell? How big must  
this limit be before the energy from a single d-d fusion acquired by  
each emitted d is too small to detect? Why does the BEC wait to  
fuse? Why do only 2 d fuse in a large group? How is the Coulomb  
barrier reduced? How is energy communicated to all members of the  
BEC? I suspect these answers are not easy

Re: [Vo]:Heat pipes

Rossi must keep the COP at or below 6 to avoid reaction meltdown. The LENR
reaction must be controlled to avoid the disruption consequences of
infinite COP.




On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.comwrote:

 I wonder wether all present powder will be active at once. It seems only
 part of the the powder is in an active state.
 If all powder is in an active state all the time, COP will decrease over
 time as the material is 'consumed'. This would mean, in the case of an
 e-cat, COP is only 6 in the initial time period of the indicated 6 months.

 Op zondag 9 juni 2013 schreef Axil Axil (janap...@gmail.com) het volgende:

 The heat transfer contact is very good because it is made by quantum
 effects caused by the BEC. I believe that the powder is super-fluidic. That
 means that the hydrogen gas and the powder and maybe even the containment
 tube are the same temperature (exothermic).


 On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Teslaalset 
 robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.comwrote:

 Major problem is that it is hot powder than needs to transfer its heat.
 It simply has a bad contact with the heat exchanger.

Re: [Vo]:ENTANGLEMENT THRESHOLDS FOR RANDOM INDUCED STATES

Helium is a reaction product explained by nuclear reactions that produce
alpha emission.

Reference:

http://64.142.106.183/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/papers/Dash-Effect%20of%20Recrystallization-Slides-ICCF-17.pdf

This experiment shows that transmutation can occur at a distance from the
NAE. This experimental observation shows that the cause of LENR is caused
by an EMF field that weakens as a results of the inverse square law.

This experimental result also shows that EMF causes LENR as follows:

I will post an interpretation of experiments involving exploding foils in
water that show nuclear fission of uranium 238 far removed the site of the
spark.

This indicates to me that the cause of this fission is an electromagnetic
pulse produced by polaritons created by the spark.

References:

http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LochakGlowenergyn.pdf

Low-energy nuclear reactions and the leptonic monopole

http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-301/aflb301m182.pdf

Experimental observation of the distortion of the uranium isotopic
relationship and violation of the thorium- 234 secular equilibrium upon
electric explosion

The LENR reaction happens at a distance from the NAE.

Here is the pertinent excerpt from the first referenced paper

In order to complete the story of transformation, we should consider this
problem: where does the transformation take place, either throughout the
whole space of the explosion chamber or only in the plasma channel? To
answer this question, we carried out experiments with *uranium* salts
(uranyl sulfate, UO2SO4) [3].

The idea of the experiment was as follows. The plasma channel has a small
volume with respect to the volume of the whole chamber. Thus, if some salt
of a metal having several isotopes is added to bidistilled water, the
number of admixture atoms from the solution that get to the plasma channel
would be small compared to the number of Ti atoms. It is clear that
recording of the isotope shift of admixture atoms would indicate that
transformation takes place throughout the whole bulk of the chamber. As
this metal, we used U. *Uranium* has two isotopes, 235U and 238U, whose
ratio can be easily measured even at a low specific concentration by means
of γ, β and α-spectrometry. Figure 5 shows the 235U/238U ratios measured by
various procedures and compared to the ratio measured in the starting
solution.*
* *
*Thus, if no changes were detected after the experiment, this ratio would
be equal to unity. It can be seen from the figure that the real ratio is
far from unity. The isotope shift effect extends far beyond the possible
errors. The shift occurs toward enrichment of the mixture in the 235U
isotope. This does not mean that 238U is converted into 235U. This
interpretation is wrong. We added some 137Cs isotope as the marker. Then we
measured the specific activity (that is, activity divided by the volume) of
each U isotope with respect to the Cs activity before and after the
experiment. It was found that the activity of both U isotopes decreased
with respect to that of Cs. However, the activity of the 238U isotope
decreases to a greater extent. Thus, the ratio of 235U to 238U becomes
bigger than unity. Prior to these experiments, we made sure that the
specific activity of 137Cs does not change noticeably.

The real situation is more complicated [3] but this is a topic of a
separate report. *For us, it is important that the transformation can also
take place outside the plasma channel. *This is a rather “unpleasant
surprise,” because, probably, within several years, when the
low-temperature transmutation will be studied in more detail, it would be
rather easy to devise a facile and inexpensive process to enrich *uranium*.
In view of the growth of terrorism all over the world, this outcome seems
deplorable.

Here is the final remark concerning the experimental study of the
transformation with regard to gases. Gases are also chemical elements, and
it is likely that they are formed in these experiments. This aspect will be
considered in [4].

This aforementioned result tells me that the LENR reaction cannot be
primarily produced by ultra-low energy neutrons. These neutrons only act
locally.

The affect of LENR is actioned in the far field. The exploding foil
produces a polariton induced EMF that increases radioactive decay at a
distance from the site of polariton creation, that is, outside the plasma
channel.

On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:

Please Axil, stay in contact with what is observed. Helium is the observed
nuclear product. This requires two d to fuse. These d are in isolated and
random sublattice sites. They have to all get into one site to fuse.
Therefore, they MUST assemble. The BEC is proposed to result from this
assembly. I do not know what you have in mind but it is not related to what
is known or what is being proposed.

On Jun 10, 2013, at 1:14 PM, Axil Axil wrote:

I will try this explanation once again

RE: [Vo]:Superabsorbers

2013-06-10 Thread pagnucco

Jones,

If this is occurring, only incontrovertible proof from Rossi's reactor
will convince the Physic establishment.  No discussion will.

Also, if it is happening, them multiple, different phenomena are probably
operating in LENR phenomena, i.e., no conservation of miracles

Jones Beene wrote:
 The observation that the Rossi HotCat could be operating as a crude
 resonator tube - may not have struck a chord with everyone here... at
 least
 not yet. Understandable - since it may not be readily apparent how that
 benefits the situation, even if true.

 However, methinks the idea of a coherent resonator will catch-on
 eventually,
 especially if Rossi's public success continues with the HotCat. This new
 regime seems like a major breakthrough to me, and that image of the
 glowing
 tube is very powerful. It is no wonder that careful Swedish scientists
 were
 willing to go out on a limb in their paper. Consequently, for future
 reference, here are a couple of more thoughts on the subject of a harmonic
 thermal resonator and how it could be involved in net thermal gain.

 A parametric oscillator is a harmonic oscillator whose dynamic motion
 seems to be greatly amplified by comparatively small input. A common
 example
 of the parametric oscillator is a child on a playground swing, where the
 torque expressed by the swing seems much greater than the physical
 exertion
 to keep it going.

 In microwave electronics, a precise waveguide cavity as the parametric
 oscillator component will convert RF into coherency - thus a maser. This
 could be a decent analogy to the HotCat, especially if RF is indeed
 detected
 at some future point, and especially if it is at the 21 cm line (or a
 harmonic).

 Another example is the OPO, or optical parametric oscillator. Furthermore,
 there is no reason why a maser and an OPO (in the IR spectrum) could not
 be
 combined into a single harmonic device, such as a tube in which thermal
 input (in the infrared) and RF combine to give an amplified internal
 resonance and coherence. But so what? ... one might ask.

 Needless to say, it gets more complicated than just amplification or
 coherency. Of course, any such device (can we call it MIRPO for maser-IR
 parametric oscillator?) would not be gainful in itself, but the
 amplification could operate to produce coherent Rydberg energy quanta, and
 hydrogen has amenable lines for this.

 When we look at hydrogen lines, we see two of them in the IR which can
 serve
 to pump an isomer of hydrogen into deep ground-state redundancy and then
 there is the famous microwave line. However, the gain would most likely
 derive from soft x-rays at a much higher Rydberg multiple - particularly
 at
 the nickel hole of 300 eV. This hypothesis is not Millsean but is
 derived
 from Mills' CQM; and this particular Rydberg hole was identified by him
 20
 years ago. It all fits together elegantly in the HotCat, but that fit
 alone
 does not make it correct.

 The thermal gain in this hypothesis would be derived from electrons, and
 from lost orbital angular momentum- and thus, the gain is not nuclear and
 not exactly chemical. There could be a nuclear nexus (magnons), but we do
 not need it for the simplest explanation. In the past we have called this
 supra-chemical.

 It provides about 200 times more energy than burning hydrogen in oxygen,
 with the by-product (ash) being the lost hydrogen. The active atom is
 effectively lost insofar as its atomic volume has decreased 64^3 or well
 over 250,000:1. The ash of the reaction cannot be contained, if it were
 not
 magnetic.

 Hydrogen seems to disappear but in fact it has shrunk down in
 effective
 volume to a state where its increased magnetic susceptibility can draw it
 deep into the valence cloud of a ferromagnetic atom (nickel). The
 fractional
 hydrogen (f/H) having given up its angular momentum energy then becomes
 bound to such an extent that when tested - in mass spectrometers, much of
 what is really a molecule (Ni-H) will look exactly like mass-29, which is
 copper, instead of mass-28 which is nickel.

 This is probably why Rossi and Focardi mistakenly assumed that nickel was
 being converted into copper, even though there was no radioactivity. The
 strong bonding of Ni with f/H will confuse many mass spectrometers, and it
 fooled Focardi into thinking that there was more copper in the ash than
 there really was.
   _


   It might be informative for any of us who have an interest
 in coherent or semi-coherent emission and absorption in the optical
 spectrum
 (or lower), to take this idea further - and try to find actual parameters
 for a stimulated lasing regime which on paper could be active inside the
 stainless tube of the HotCat. A good place to start is chemisorption.
 Can
 we supersize it?

   Such an outcome could be inadvertent (on Rossi's part) and
 it could be quasi coherent, in the sense of superradiant. And the

[Vo]:OT: water gong

2013-06-10 Thread Harry Veeder

water gong

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SisUWArnlGg


Harry

Re: [Vo]:Superabsorbers

2013-06-10 Thread pagnucco

Axil,

Yes, it is a good overview of plasmonics.

Since you have posted several times on charge/field focusing phenomena, you
may be interested in the following recent paper -

From self-focusing light beams to femtosecond laser pulse filamentation
http://iopscience.iop.org/1063-7869/56/2/123/

This is another way charge and em-field energy is concentrated in gases and
solids.  Possibly relevant to some LENR experiments.

-- Lou Pagnucco

Axil wrote:
 This is a good start, IMHO.

 http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=nanoplasmonicssource=webcd=3cad=rjaved=0CD4QFjACurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.phy-astr.gsu.edu%2Fstockman%2Fdata%2FStockman_Phys_Today_2011_Physics_behind_Applications.pdfei=f52zUduoF8fF0QGttIGgAgusg=AFQjCNHdcmFaRe9tfcLMzk1V8uwPQ8OvXAbvm=bv.47534661,d.dmQ

 [...]

Re: [Vo]:Heat pipes

2013-06-10 Thread Teslaalset

I am aware.
But to keep COP of 6 this either means over time, due to the reduced amount
of nickel ( it is slowly 'consumed') the temperature of the remaining
nickel has to be increased, or, the available nickel is only a part of the
nickel is active at the time.
If the temperature of the reduced amound of nickel has to be increased,
this means more input power is required for the same amount of output heat
and therefore COP get less over time.

Op maandag 10 juni 2013 schreef Axil Axil (janap...@gmail.com) het volgende:

 Rossi must keep the COP at or below 6 to avoid reaction meltdown. The LENR
 reaction must be controlled to avoid the disruption consequences of
 infinite COP.




 On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Teslaalset 
 robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 
 'robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com');
  wrote:

 I wonder wether all present powder will be active at once. It seems only
 part of the the powder is in an active state.
 If all powder is in an active state all the time, COP will decrease over
 time as the material is 'consumed'. This would mean, in the case of an
 e-cat, COP is only 6 in the initial time period of the indicated 6 months.

 Op zondag 9 juni 2013 schreef Axil Axil 
 (janap...@gmail.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'janap...@gmail.com');)
 het volgende:

 The heat transfer contact is very good because it is made by quantum
 effects caused by the BEC. I believe that the powder is super-fluidic. That
 means that the hydrogen gas and the powder and maybe even the containment
 tube are the same temperature (exothermic).


 On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Teslaalset 
 robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.comwrote:

 Major problem is that it is hot powder than needs to transfer its heat.
 It simply has a bad contact with the heat exchanger.

Re: [Vo]:Superabsorbers

Researchers in the US are the first to use single fluorescent dye molecules
to probe the local electromagnetic fields inside nanoscale hotspots on
metal surfaces. The imaging technique can identify structures as small as
just 15 nm across with a resolution of less than 2 nm – which is much
smaller than conventional optical microscopes can achieve.

When light is shone onto nanostructured metallic surfaces, such as those
made from gold or silver, hotspots of concentrated light can appear where
the electromagnetic field is very intense. Scientists have known about this
surface enhancement for over 30 years and have used the effect in
techniques like surface-enhanced Raman spectroscopy to image very small
samples of molecules and even single molecules. Despite the success of the
method, however, scientists struggled to measure the size of these hotspots
and how they enhanced spectroscopic measurements.

There are two challenges when it comes to probing the hotspots. First, a
hotspot is randomly located on the surface of a metal and is therefore very
difficult to find. Second, a hotspot is smaller than the wavelength of
visible light and so cannot be detected by an ordinary optical microscope,
which normally cannot focus light to a spot smaller than half the
wavelength of light – something known as the diffraction limit. More
sophisticated imaging techniques, like near-field scanning optical
microscopy (NSOM) and electron energy loss spectroscopy (EELS) are not up
to the job either because they are limited by the size of their probes.
Ideal probes

Now, Xiang Zhang and colleagues at the University of California at Berkeley
have overcome these problems by using single molecules, which the team
believes are ideal probes for getting inside hotspots because they are
smaller than a nanometre across.

The scientists begin by putting a sample – a rough metal film or metal
nanoparticle clusters deposited on a quartz surface – in a fluorescent dye
solution and allow the dye molecules to randomly adsorb onto the surface of
the sample. The molecules disperse naturally in this way via Brownian
motion. When the sample is then illuminated with a laser beam, many
hotspots appear on the surface as expected.

By adjusting the concentration of the dye, the researchers ensure that, on
average, only one dye molecule arrives at a hotspot at a time. When a
single dye molecule binds to a hotspot, its fluorescence is greatly
increased and it appears as a bright spot whose intensity can be measured
to calculate the level of light enhancement. In this way, the team can
obtain an image of the fluorescent enhancement profile of a single hotspot
as small as 15 nm across with an accuracy of 1–2 nm. The team found that
the light's field strength decays exponentially from the hotspot peak. This
result had been predicted by simulations before but never directly measured
in an experiment until now.
'Perfect tool'

Our technique could be used to study light–matter interactions in a
variety of nanostructures and materials, including nanoparticles, films and
wires, team member Hu Cang said. It is the perfect tool to help design
nano-optics devices and materials to control the flow of light at the
nanoscale.

He added that the hotspots could also be used to boost the sensitivity of
biosensors, for example in single-molecule DNA sequencing by focusing the
light to a single molecule and substantially suppressing the background
noise. They might also help to improve the efficiency of solar-energy
devices by concentrating light to the nanometre-sized active sites in these
devices where light is converted into chemical energy or electricity.

The team says that it would now like to correlate its measurements with the
morphology of the metal film and nanoparticle clusters measured using
electron microscopes. With the help of computer simulations, we hope to
figure out how these hotspots defy the diffraction limit of light and
concentrate light energy into such a small space.
Looking for a lower limit

And last but not least, no theory has yet predicted how small these
hotspots can be so the researchers are busy examining other materials like
silicon and titanium oxide in the hope of finding even smaller ones.

Single-molecule imaging – or super-resolution fluorescence microscopy –
was named 'method of the year' in 2008 by the journal *Nature Methods*. It
has so far been used to primarily image biological samples, but we have
shown that it can easily and successfully be extended to other areas,
added Cang.

On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

This is a good start, IMHO.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=nanoplasmonicssource=webcd=3cad=rjaved=0CD4QFjACurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.phy-astr.gsu.edu%2Fstockman%2Fdata%2FStockman_Phys_Today_2011_Physics_behind_Applications.pdfei=f52zUduoF8fF0QGttIGgAgusg=AFQjCNHdcmFaRe9tfcLMzk1V8uwPQ8OvXAbvm=bv.47534661,d.dmQ

On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 4:14 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Superabsorbers


The conservation of miracles mainly implies that the subject is not 
understood properly at this point in time.  How many of these miracles were 
needed to make the first transistor?  I am always amused by the lack of incite 
expressed by the extreme skeptic responses shown by closed minded individuals.  
It seems they believe that they understand everything about the world and 
nothing new will ever arise.   My money is on the bet that there is far more to 
learn about science than we currently understand.

It appears that we are going to have to rely upon an engineer such as Rossi to 
open the channels.  First the working device and then a working understanding 
is the order for the day.  Lets hope that there is not too much time separating 
these components.

Dave


-Original Message-
From: pagnucco pagnu...@htdconnect.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Jun 10, 2013 4:46 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Superabsorbers


Jones,

If this is occurring, only incontrovertible proof from Rossi's reactor
will convince the Physic establishment.  No discussion will.

Also, if it is happening, them multiple, different phenomena are probably
operating in LENR phenomena, i.e., no conservation of miracles

Jones Beene wrote:
 The observation that the Rossi HotCat could be operating as a crude
 resonator tube - may not have struck a chord with everyone here... at
 least
 not yet. Understandable - since it may not be readily apparent how that
 benefits the situation, even if true.

 However, methinks the idea of a coherent resonator will catch-on
 eventually,
 especially if Rossi's public success continues with the HotCat. This new
 regime seems like a major breakthrough to me, and that image of the
 glowing
 tube is very powerful. It is no wonder that careful Swedish scientists
 were
 willing to go out on a limb in their paper. Consequently, for future
 reference, here are a couple of more thoughts on the subject of a harmonic
 thermal resonator and how it could be involved in net thermal gain.

 A parametric oscillator is a harmonic oscillator whose dynamic motion
 seems to be greatly amplified by comparatively small input. A common
 example
 of the parametric oscillator is a child on a playground swing, where the
 torque expressed by the swing seems much greater than the physical
 exertion
 to keep it going.

 In microwave electronics, a precise waveguide cavity as the parametric
 oscillator component will convert RF into coherency - thus a maser. This
 could be a decent analogy to the HotCat, especially if RF is indeed
 detected
 at some future point, and especially if it is at the 21 cm line (or a
 harmonic).

 Another example is the OPO, or optical parametric oscillator. Furthermore,
 there is no reason why a maser and an OPO (in the IR spectrum) could not
 be
 combined into a single harmonic device, such as a tube in which thermal
 input (in the infrared) and RF combine to give an amplified internal
 resonance and coherence. But so what? ... one might ask.

 Needless to say, it gets more complicated than just amplification or
 coherency. Of course, any such device (can we call it MIRPO for maser-IR
 parametric oscillator?) would not be gainful in itself, but the
 amplification could operate to produce coherent Rydberg energy quanta, and
 hydrogen has amenable lines for this.

 When we look at hydrogen lines, we see two of them in the IR which can
 serve
 to pump an isomer of hydrogen into deep ground-state redundancy and then
 there is the famous microwave line. However, the gain would most likely
 derive from soft x-rays at a much higher Rydberg multiple - particularly
 at
 the nickel hole of 300 eV. This hypothesis is not Millsean but is
 derived
 from Mills' CQM; and this particular Rydberg hole was identified by him
 20
 years ago. It all fits together elegantly in the HotCat, but that fit
 alone
 does not make it correct.

 The thermal gain in this hypothesis would be derived from electrons, and
 from lost orbital angular momentum- and thus, the gain is not nuclear and
 not exactly chemical. There could be a nuclear nexus (magnons), but we do
 not need it for the simplest explanation. In the past we have called this
 supra-chemical.

 It provides about 200 times more energy than burning hydrogen in oxygen,
 with the by-product (ash) being the lost hydrogen. The active atom is
 effectively lost insofar as its atomic volume has decreased 64^3 or well
 over 250,000:1. The ash of the reaction cannot be contained, if it were
 not
 magnetic.

 Hydrogen seems to disappear but in fact it has shrunk down in
 effective
 volume to a state where its increased magnetic susceptibility can draw it
 deep into the valence cloud of a ferromagnetic atom (nickel). The
 fractional
 hydrogen (f/H) having given up its angular momentum energy then becomes
 bound to such an extent that when tested - in mass spectrometers, much of
 what is really a molecule (Ni-H) will look exactly like mass-29, which is
 copper, instead

Re: [Vo]:Superabsorbers

here is a free copy:

http://www.cpht.polytechnique.fr/cpth/couairon/publications/B03CouaironSF06.pdf




On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:57 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:

 Axil,

 Yes, it is a good overview of plasmonics.

 Since you have posted several times on charge/field focusing phenomena, you
 may be interested in the following recent paper -

 From self-focusing light beams to femtosecond laser pulse filamentation
 http://iopscience.iop.org/1063-7869/56/2/123/

 This is another way charge and em-field energy is concentrated in gases and
 solids.  Possibly relevant to some LENR experiments.

 -- Lou Pagnucco

 Axil wrote:
  This is a good start, IMHO.
 
 
 http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=nanoplasmonicssource=webcd=3cad=rjaved=0CD4QFjACurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.phy-astr.gsu.edu%2Fstockman%2Fdata%2FStockman_Phys_Today_2011_Physics_behind_Applications.pdfei=f52zUduoF8fF0QGttIGgAgusg=AFQjCNHdcmFaRe9tfcLMzk1V8uwPQ8OvXAbvm=bv.47534661,d.dmQ
 
  [...]

Re: [Vo]:Heat pipes


I suspect that the COP of 6 has more to do with the timing of the control drive 
signals than the behavior of the powder.  Positive feedback appears to 
establish the COP and that can be adjusted with control.

Dave


-Original Message-
From: Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Jun 10, 2013 4:58 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Heat pipes


I am aware.
But to keep COP of 6 this either means over time, due to the reduced amount of 
nickel ( it is slowly 'consumed') the temperature of the remaining nickel has 
to be increased, or, the available nickel is only a part of the nickel is 
active at the time.
If the temperature of the reduced amound of nickel has to be increased, this 
means more input power is required for the same amount of output heat and 
therefore COP get less over time.

Op maandag 10 juni 2013 schreef Axil Axil (janap...@gmail.com) het volgende:


Rossi must keep the COP at or below 6to avoid reaction meltdown. The LENR 
reaction must be controlled to avoid thedisruption consequences of infinite COP.
 




On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com wrote:

I wonder wether all present powder will be active at once. It seems only part 
of the the powder is in an active state.
If all powder is in an active state all the time, COP will decrease over time 
as the material is 'consumed'. This would mean, in the case of an e-cat, COP is 
only 6 in the initial time period of the indicated 6 months.

Op zondag 9 juni 2013 schreef Axil Axil (janap...@gmail.com) het volgende:


The heat transfer contact is very good because it is made by quantum effects 
caused by the BEC. I believe that the powder is super-fluidic. That means that 
the hydrogen gas and the powder and maybe even the containment tube are the 
same temperature (exothermic).



On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com wrote:

Major problem is that it is hot powder than needs to transfer its heat. It 
simply has a bad contact with the heat exchanger.

Re: [Vo]:Superabsorbers

It is possible to deduce the cause of disease as a result of the actions of
parasitic animals and plants so small they cannot be seen by the naked eye.

The invention of the microscope makes the study of these small creatures
easier to believe in and to see how they cause disease.

The advancement of knowledge is always accompanied by the development of
experimental technology that verifies the concepts that are born in the
imagination of the terrorists.


On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 5:16 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:

 The conservation of miracles mainly implies that the subject is not
 understood properly at this point in time.  How many of these
 miracles were needed to make the first transistor?  I am always amused by
 the lack of incite expressed by the extreme skeptic responses shown by
 closed minded individuals.  It seems they believe that they understand
 everything about the world and nothing new will ever arise.   My money is
 on the bet that there is far more to learn about science than we currently
 understand.

 It appears that we are going to have to rely upon an engineer such as
 Rossi to open the channels.  First the working device and then a working
 understanding is the order for the day.  Lets hope that there is not too
 much time separating these components.

 Dave
  -Original Message-
 From: pagnucco pagnu...@htdconnect.com
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Mon, Jun 10, 2013 4:46 pm
 Subject: RE: [Vo]:Superabsorbers

  Jones,

 If this is occurring, only incontrovertible proof from Rossi's reactor
 will convince the Physic establishment.  No discussion will.

 Also, if it is happening, them multiple, different phenomena are probably
 operating in LENR phenomena, i.e., no conservation of miracles

 Jones Beene wrote:
  The observation that the Rossi HotCat could be operating as a crude
  resonator tube - may not have struck a chord with everyone here... at
  least
  not yet. Understandable - since it may not be readily apparent how that
  benefits the situation, even if true.
 
  However, methinks the idea of a coherent resonator will catch-on
  eventually,
  especially if Rossi's public success continues with the HotCat. This new
  regime seems like a major breakthrough to me, and that image of the
  glowing
  tube is very powerful. It is no wonder that careful Swedish scientists
  were
  willing to go out on a limb in their paper. Consequently, for future
  reference, here are a couple of more thoughts on the subject of a harmonic
  thermal resonator and how it could be involved in net thermal gain.
 
  A parametric oscillator is a harmonic oscillator whose dynamic motion
  seems to be greatly amplified by comparatively small input. A common
  example
  of the parametric oscillator is a child on a playground swing, where the
  torque expressed by the swing seems much greater than the physical
  exertion
  to keep it going.
 
  In microwave electronics, a precise waveguide cavity as the parametric
  oscillator component will convert RF into coherency - thus a maser. This
  could be a decent analogy to the HotCat, especially if RF is indeed
  detected
  at some future point, and especially if it is at the 21 cm line (or a
  harmonic).
 
  Another example is the OPO, or optical parametric oscillator. Furthermore,
  there is no reason why a maser and an OPO (in the IR spectrum) could not
  be
  combined into a single harmonic device, such as a tube in which thermal
  input (in the infrared) and RF combine to give an amplified internal
  resonance and coherence. But so what? ... one might ask.
 
  Needless to say, it gets more complicated than just amplification or
  coherency. Of course, any such device (can we call it MIRPO for maser-IR
  parametric oscillator?) would not be gainful in itself, but the
  amplification could operate to produce coherent Rydberg energy quanta, and
  hydrogen has amenable lines for this.
 
  When we look at hydrogen lines, we see two of them in the IR which can
  serve
  to pump an isomer of hydrogen into deep ground-state redundancy and then
  there is the famous microwave line. However, the gain would most likely
  derive from soft x-rays at a much higher Rydberg multiple - particularly
  at
  the nickel hole of 300 eV. This hypothesis is not Millsean but is
  derived
  from Mills' CQM; and this particular Rydberg hole was identified by him
  20
  years ago. It all fits together elegantly in the HotCat, but that fit
  alone
  does not make it correct.
 
  The thermal gain in this hypothesis would be derived from electrons, and
  from lost orbital angular momentum- and thus, the gain is not nuclear and
  not exactly chemical. There could be a nuclear nexus (magnons), but we do
  not need it for the simplest explanation. In the past we have called this
  supra-chemical.
 
  It provides about 200 times more energy than burning hydrogen in oxygen,
  with the by-product (ash) being the lost hydrogen. The active atom is
  effectively

Re: [Vo]:Superabsorbers

Replace terrorists with theorists.


On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 It is possible to deduce the cause of disease as a result of the actions
 of parasitic animals and plants so small they cannot be seen by the naked
 eye.

 The invention of the microscope makes the study of these small creatures
 easier to believe in and to see how they cause disease.

 The advancement of knowledge is always accompanied by the development of
 experimental technology that verifies the concepts that are born in the
 imagination of the terrorists.


 On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 5:16 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote:

 The conservation of miracles mainly implies that the subject is not
 understood properly at this point in time.  How many of these
 miracles were needed to make the first transistor?  I am always amused by
 the lack of incite expressed by the extreme skeptic responses shown by
 closed minded individuals.  It seems they believe that they understand
 everything about the world and nothing new will ever arise.   My money is
 on the bet that there is far more to learn about science than we currently
 understand.

 It appears that we are going to have to rely upon an engineer such as
 Rossi to open the channels.  First the working device and then a working
 understanding is the order for the day.  Lets hope that there is not too
 much time separating these components.

 Dave
  -Original Message-
 From: pagnucco pagnu...@htdconnect.com
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Mon, Jun 10, 2013 4:46 pm
 Subject: RE: [Vo]:Superabsorbers

  Jones,

 If this is occurring, only incontrovertible proof from Rossi's reactor
 will convince the Physic establishment.  No discussion will.

 Also, if it is happening, them multiple, different phenomena are probably
 operating in LENR phenomena, i.e., no conservation of miracles

 Jones Beene wrote:
  The observation that the Rossi HotCat could be operating as a crude
  resonator tube - may not have struck a chord with everyone here... at
  least
  not yet. Understandable - since it may not be readily apparent how that
  benefits the situation, even if true.
 
  However, methinks the idea of a coherent resonator will catch-on
  eventually,
  especially if Rossi's public success continues with the HotCat. This new
  regime seems like a major breakthrough to me, and that image of the
  glowing
  tube is very powerful. It is no wonder that careful Swedish scientists
  were
  willing to go out on a limb in their paper. Consequently, for future
  reference, here are a couple of more thoughts on the subject of a harmonic
  thermal resonator and how it could be involved in net thermal gain.
 
  A parametric oscillator is a harmonic oscillator whose dynamic motion
  seems to be greatly amplified by comparatively small input. A common
  example
  of the parametric oscillator is a child on a playground swing, where the
  torque expressed by the swing seems much greater than the physical
  exertion
  to keep it going.
 
  In microwave electronics, a precise waveguide cavity as the parametric
  oscillator component will convert RF into coherency - thus a maser. This
  could be a decent analogy to the HotCat, especially if RF is indeed
  detected
  at some future point, and especially if it is at the 21 cm line (or a
  harmonic).
 
  Another example is the OPO, or optical parametric oscillator. Furthermore,
  there is no reason why a maser and an OPO (in the IR spectrum) could not
  be
  combined into a single harmonic device, such as a tube in which thermal
  input (in the infrared) and RF combine to give an amplified internal
  resonance and coherence. But so what? ... one might ask.
 
  Needless to say, it gets more complicated than just amplification or
  coherency. Of course, any such device (can we call it MIRPO for maser-IR
  parametric oscillator?) would not be gainful in itself, but the
  amplification could operate to produce coherent Rydberg energy quanta, and
  hydrogen has amenable lines for this.
 
  When we look at hydrogen lines, we see two of them in the IR which can
  serve
  to pump an isomer of hydrogen into deep ground-state redundancy and then
  there is the famous microwave line. However, the gain would most likely
  derive from soft x-rays at a much higher Rydberg multiple - particularly
  at
  the nickel hole of 300 eV. This hypothesis is not Millsean but is
  derived
  from Mills' CQM; and this particular Rydberg hole was identified by him
  20
  years ago. It all fits together elegantly in the HotCat, but that fit
  alone
  does not make it correct.
 
  The thermal gain in this hypothesis would be derived from electrons, and
  from lost orbital angular momentum- and thus, the gain is not nuclear and
  not exactly chemical. There could be a nuclear nexus (magnons), but we do
  not need it for the simplest explanation. In the past we have called this
  supra-chemical.
 
  It provides about 200 times more energy than

Re: [Vo]:Heat pipes

The positive feedback loop can be controlled if the reaction time of the
reaction control system is faster than the reaction time of the positive
feedback cycle.


On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 5:21 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:

 I suspect that the COP of 6 has more to do with the timing of the control
 drive signals than the behavior of the powder.  Positive feedback appears
 to establish the COP and that can be adjusted with control.

 Dave
  -Original Message-
 From: Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Mon, Jun 10, 2013 4:58 pm
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Heat pipes

  I am aware.
 But to keep COP of 6 this either means over time, due to the reduced
 amount of nickel ( it is slowly 'consumed') the temperature of the
 remaining nickel has to be increased, or, the available nickel is only a
 part of the nickel is active at the time.
 If the temperature of the reduced amound of nickel has to be increased,
 this means more input power is required for the same amount of output heat
 and therefore COP get less over time.

 Op maandag 10 juni 2013 schreef Axil Axil (janap...@gmail.com) het
 volgende:

  Rossi must keep the COP at or below 6 to avoid reaction meltdown. The
 LENR reaction must be controlled to avoid the disruption consequences of
 infinite COP.



 On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Teslaalset 
 robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.comwrote:

 I wonder wether all present powder will be active at once. It seems only
 part of the the powder is in an active state.
 If all powder is in an active state all the time, COP will decrease
 over time as the material is 'consumed'. This would mean, in the case of an
 e-cat, COP is only 6 in the initial time period of the indicated 6 months.

 Op zondag 9 juni 2013 schreef Axil Axil (janap...@gmail.com) het
 volgende:

  The heat transfer contact is very good because it is made by quantum
 effects caused by the BEC. I believe that the powder is super-fluidic. That
 means that the hydrogen gas and the powder and maybe even the containment
 tube are the same temperature (exothermic).


 On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Major problem is that it is hot powder than needs to transfer its
 heat. It simply has a bad contact with the heat exchanger.

Re: [Vo]:Superabsorbers


Yes, instrumentation advances almost always lead to new discoveries.  That is 
one reason I tend to generally favor the placing into orbit of new types of 
telescopes.   Very few can anticipate the amazing observations that arise.

I worry that one day someone will come to the conclusion that the cost of new 
advancements outweighs the rewards to be gained.   The funny part is that one 
of the new discoveries might answer many unknowns in science.  The new pieces 
might then fall into place that solve pressing issues we face.  No one knows 
ahead of time.

Dave


-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Jun 10, 2013 5:27 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Superabsorbers



It is possible to deduce the causeof disease as a result of the actions of 
parasitic animals and plants so small theycannot be seen by the naked eye.
The invention of themicroscope makes the study of these small creatures easier 
to believe in and tosee how they cause disease.
The advancement of knowledgeis always accompanied by the development of 
experimental technology that verifiesthe concepts that are born in the 
imagination of the terrorists.




On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 5:16 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:

The conservation of miracles mainly implies that the subject is not 
understood properly at this point in time.  How many of these miracles were 
needed to make the first transistor?  I am always amused by the lack of incite 
expressed by the extreme skeptic responses shown by closed minded individuals.  
It seems they believe that they understand everything about the world and 
nothing new will ever arise.   My money is on the bet that there is far more to 
learn about science than we currently understand.
 
It appears that we are going to have to rely upon an engineer such as Rossi to 
open the channels.  First the working device and then a working understanding 
is the order for the day.  Lets hope that there is not too much time separating 
these components.
 
Dave



-Original Message-
From: pagnucco pagnu...@htdconnect.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Jun 10, 2013 4:46 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Superabsorbers


Jones,

If this is occurring, only incontrovertible proof from Rossi's reactor
will convince the Physic establishment.  No discussion will.

Also, if it is happening, them multiple, different phenomena are probably
operating in LENR phenomena, i.e., no conservation of miracles

Jones Beene wrote:
 The observation that the Rossi HotCat could be operating as a crude
 resonator tube - may not have struck a chord with everyone here... at
 least
 not yet. Understandable - since it may not be readily apparent how that
 benefits the situation, even if true.

 However, methinks the idea of a coherent resonator will catch-on
 eventually,
 especially if Rossi's public success continues with the HotCat. This new
 regime seems like a major breakthrough to me, and that image of the
 glowing
 tube is very powerful. It is no wonder that careful Swedish scientists
 were
 willing to go out on a limb in their paper. Consequently, for future
 reference, here are a couple of more thoughts on the subject of a harmonic
 thermal resonator and how it could be involved in net thermal gain.

 A parametric oscillator is a harmonic oscillator whose dynamic motion
 seems to be greatly amplified by comparatively small input. A common
 example
 of the parametric oscillator is a child on a playground swing, where the
 torque expressed by the swing seems much greater than the physical
 exertion
 to keep it going.

 In microwave electronics, a precise waveguide cavity as the parametric
 oscillator component will convert RF into coherency - thus a maser. This
 could be a decent analogy to the HotCat, especially if RF is indeed
 detected
 at some future point, and especially if it is at the 21 cm line (or a
 harmonic).

 Another example is the OPO, or optical parametric oscillator. Furthermore,
 there is no reason why a maser and an OPO (in the IR spectrum) could not
 be
 combined into a single harmonic device, such as a tube in which thermal
 input (in the infrared) and RF combine to give an amplified internal
 resonance and coherence. But so what? ... one might ask.

 Needless to say, it gets more complicated than just amplification or
 coherency. Of course, any such device (can we call it MIRPO for maser-IR
 parametric oscillator?) would not be gainful in itself, but the
 amplification could operate to produce coherent Rydberg energy quanta, and
 hydrogen has amenable lines for this.

 When we look at hydrogen lines, we see two of them in the IR which can
 serve
 to pump an isomer of hydrogen into deep ground-state redundancy and then
 there is the famous microwave line. However, the gain would most likely
 derive from soft x-rays at a much higher Rydberg multiple - particularly
 at
 the nickel hole of 300 eV. This hypothesis is not Millsean but is
 derived
 from

Re: [Vo]:Superabsorbers

2013-06-10 Thread Rob Dingemans


Hi,

On 9-6-2013 17:56, Jones Beene wrote:

The observation that the Rossi HotCat could be operating as a crude
resonator tube - may not have struck a chord with everyone here... at least
not yet. Understandable - since it may not be readily apparent how that
benefits the situation, even if true.

However, methinks the idea of a coherent resonator will catch-on eventually,
especially if Rossi's public success continues with the HotCat. This new
regime seems like a major breakthrough to me, and that image of the glowing
tube is very powerful.


I wouldn't be surprised at all if the underlying principle of resonance 
applied to cold fusion (or whatever name like LENR, CANR, etc. you 
want to give it) is possibly essentially the same effect which occurs 
for hot fusion.

The major difference is currently in the scale of these experiments.
While the devices created by Andrea are small and reasonably manageable, 
at the same time the contraptions build by Iter e.a. for Hot fusion 
are huge and essentially not manageable any more.
May be it would be a good idea if the socalled Hot fusion scientists 
would get to their senses and follow the paradigm of less (i.e. small) 
is more.


Kind regards,

Rob

Re: [Vo]:Heat pipes

Your criteria must be achieved if Rossi is telling the truth.  I am not sure of 
how many aces he has up his sleeve.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Jun 10, 2013 5:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Heat pipes

The positive feedback loop can be controlled if the reaction time of the 
reaction control system is faster than the reaction time of the positive 
feedback cycle.

On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 5:21 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:

I suspect that the COP of 6 has more to do with the timing of the control drive 
signals than the behavior of the powder.  Positive feedback appears to 
establish the COP and that can be adjusted with control.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Jun 10, 2013 4:58 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Heat pipes

I am aware.
But to keep COP of 6 this either means over time, due to the reduced amount of 
nickel ( it is slowly 'consumed') the temperature of the remaining nickel has 
to be increased, or, the available nickel is only a part of the nickel is 
active at the time.
If the temperature of the reduced amound of nickel has to be increased, this 
means more input power is required for the same amount of output heat and 
therefore COP get less over time.

Op maandag 10 juni 2013 schreef Axil Axil (janap...@gmail.com) het volgende:

Rossi must keep the COP at or below 6to avoid reaction meltdown. The LENR 
reaction must be controlled to avoid thedisruption consequences of infinite COP.

On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com wrote:

I wonder wether all present powder will be active at once. It seems only part 
of the the powder is in an active state.
If all powder is in an active state all the time, COP will decrease over time 
as the material is 'consumed'. This would mean, in the case of an e-cat, COP is 
only 6 in the initial time period of the indicated 6 months.

Op zondag 9 juni 2013 schreef Axil Axil (janap...@gmail.com) het volgende:

The heat transfer contact is very good because it is made by quantum effects 
caused by the BEC. I believe that the powder is super-fluidic. That means that 
the hydrogen gas and the powder and maybe even the containment tube are the 
same temperature (exothermic).

On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com wrote:

Major problem is that it is hot powder than needs to transfer its heat. It 
simply has a bad contact with the heat exchanger.

Re: [Vo]:OT: water gong

2013-06-10 Thread Roger Bird

Boring.


On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:

 water gong

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SisUWArnlGg


 Harry

Re: [Vo]:OT: NSA Leaker- Edward Snowden and 200K Pay Scale

In recent days, it has become more widely known that there exist databases
containing all one’s personal communications and transactions in
irrevocable storage forever spread around both public and private
organizations. If someone who can access this information, a case to
support a given allegation can be easily made by picking the data that
supports their conjecture.

Some of us have had experience in the ways and means associated with these
practices.

Remember no data is sacrosanct.

In more precise focus, these files of personal characterization are not
sacrosanct; Access to this information only requires a “primary key” to
draw a connection from these files of information for all those clever
enough to access this data.

As in all database applications if no primary key is available, no
correlation of data is possible based on that primary key. So a potential
case supporting an arbitrary conjecture cannot be made when a primary key
is not available.

This information also supports “key word” search capability which is
another correlation parameter.

For those who prefer to minimize “key word” and “primary key” correlation
processes associated with their information files, please forgive the
appearance of paranoid behavior on their part.

Please continue to allow them to participate in the dialogs that you
control in public forums anonymously.



* *




On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote:

 Greetings Vortex_L

 Was amazed to see Booz Hamilton payed  NSA leaker  200K
 per yearconsidering his credentials.

 Was he really computationally talented or merely a
 case of our intelligence community contractor pay scales???

 In my next  life, I  want to go GED and Intelligence. There are very
 talented
 GED folks...BUT in this case..it makes me wonder.

 I can ..feel the HEAT on this post.but I am Gone With the Wind !

 Ron Kita

Re: [Vo]:ecat arxiv.org paper updated

 From: Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com
 Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 11:07:52 AM

 the model of the current clamps should be documented (maybe I missed
 it).
 It have some impact on PCE-830 performance on various measures
 (power, harmonics...)

They used voltage to determine there is no DC component. The used AC to make 
sure there's nothing above 50Hz (that could reasonably be expected to get 
through).

That leaves 1-49Hz with NO harmonics? (WEll, no harmonics big enough to sneak 
through multiple kilowats)

Meanwhile, I posted on Forbes (real/fake)

Alan Fletcher 1 hour ago

Levi et al have published a new version of their paper : (V3, June 7) 
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/1305.3913

In Appendix A they state that they checked the cables, measured the DC and 
measured the high-frequency components.

So they were NOT (your #2) hoodwinked by Rossi.

That leaves

1. They are ALL in cahoots with Rossi

3/4 . The eCat DOES produce anomalous heat, beyond any known chemical. (It 
doesn’t matter if it’s LENR or Cold Fusion or Microscopic Unicorns.) There is 
no agreed theory of it. But there isn’t a theory for high temperature 
superconductors either.

RE: [Vo]:Mars critters and artifacts.

2013-06-10 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson

From Hoyt:

 

 Possibly silicon based?

 

 http://www.marsisalive.it/

 

http://www.martianlifeforms.com/

 

Doubtful.

 

As the famous phrase from X-Files goes: I want to Believe!. I really DO
want to believe, or more to the point: see evidence of complex life forms
that may have at one time thrived on Mars. I bet many Vorts do as well. I
still hold out that there's a decent chance we'll eventually run across a
paradigm changing photo... or perhaps many.

 

Unfortunately, IMO, the two websites that have been cited above attempting
to suggest potential fossilized Martian life forms was a disappointing
safari trip, at least for me. All I saw was fuzzy imagery occasionally
accompanied with circles and arrows and statements attempting to suggest
that this particular rock or that patch of sand, could be a worm, or
perhaps the head of an reptile or amphibian. FWIW, I personally saw Martian
rock, sand, and shadow.

 

What do I base this stodgy personal opinion on?

 

Besides being employed in the IT field I have also been a science fiction 
astronomical artist for close to 40 years. While I have never come close to
making much of a living from the sale of my artwork I have had my work
published within and on the front covers of a number SF books. Here's a list
of some of the publications:

 

http://svjart.orionworks.com/publication-list.htm

 

A good artist learns to scrutinize shape, shadow, and form in order to
reproduce an illusion of 3-D reality on paper or canvas. An even better
artist learns the technique of impressionism in order to suggest 3-D form
which, under closer scrutiny, turns out to be nothing more than
strategically placed blobs of pigment splashed on canvas. The irony here is
that a good impressionist will invariably cause the observer to fill in all
the necessary 3-D detail themselves. Acquiring such a trait, of filling in
the holes, probably helped our distant ancestors survive by learning to
distinguish the vertical stripes of a collection of reeds from the stripes
of a tiger hiding behind the reeds looking for a snack. In our modern
society however, this is less of a survival issue. It's safe for an artist
to learn the skill of repeatedly disengaging, at will, certain portions of
brain function whose job it is to assemble the most plausible interpretation
from a conglomeration of indistinct form and pattern - because... we don't
have to worry about being eaten by tigers anymore. An artist can learn how
to temporarily modify their brain functions in order to emulate an
autistic-like perception of viewing our environment at a more basic granular
level. Acquiring this ability helps an artist determine just how much
pigment - or perhaps the blurring of an image - is necessary in order to
allow the fertile imagine of the observer to fill in all the glorious
fiddle-d-bits.

 

A master impressionistic science fiction artist who manipulated this
technique was the late John Berkey, (August 13, 1932 - April 29, 2008):

 

http://www.johnberkey.com/

 

I'm still amazed at how Berkey did it - all from splotches of paint on
canvas. All I can say is that the master made it look so easy! It ain't.

 

As for Martian life... I'd give Curiosity a fighting chance to finish her
mission. NASA plopped the plucky little robot smack dab at the base of an
ancient riverbed. Right now it looks like Curiosity is trying to negotiate
her way through a vast dumping ground of discarded cement dumped there from
thousands of cement trucks. Curiosity is currently meandering her way up a
huge alluvial fan deposit, complements of the ancient river. Oodles of
photos have already revealed rounded pebble and rock encased within sand.
Such an aggregate conglomeration was most likely formed by the continuous
action of running water smoothing away the sharp edges of pebbles. That's
lots of flowing water, and the passing of a fair amount of geological time.
I'd keep snooping around this ancient dumping ground of solidified gravel
for a while. Then start traveling upstream. I gather that's exactly what
they plan on doing.

 

In conclusion, IMO, the 6 O'CLock news coming from these two websites was
nothing more of an example of our primitive brains working overtime trying
to discern a tiger out of random patterns.

 

I'll wait for: Film at eleven!

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

svjart.OrionWorks.com

www.zazzle.com/orionworks

tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/

[Vo]:[Vo] Rossi and temperature

2013-06-10 Thread DJ Cravens

somewhere I remember seeing power outputs of Rossi's device as a function of 
temperature.
It was something like 0 until some threshold.
Can anyone here remember where that was?
 
Thanks,
 
Dennis

Re: [Vo]:[Vo] Rossi and temperature

 From: DJ Cravens djcrav...@hotmail.com
 Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 7:14:32 PM
 
 somewhere I remember seeing power outputs of Rossi's device as a
 function of temperature.
 It was something like 0 until some threshold.
 Can anyone here remember where that was?

Short answer -- based on the 2011 experiments.

I've got a list of experiments and links to the original reports at 
http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_eai_table_v4.php 

I have to do some errands -- I'll have time to re-read them in a couple of 
hours.

Re: [Vo]:[Vo] Rossi and temperature

http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3144960.ece/BINARY/Download+the+report+by+Kullander+and+Ess%C3%A9n+%28pdf%29

Fig 6 has an example of a knee between two linear segments-- presumed to be 
heater and then ecat.

Re: [Vo]:OT: NSA Leaker- Edward Snowden and 200K Pay Scale

2013-06-10 Thread Ruby



All the information about you that exists in these databases constitutes 
another You, an AI representation that has a life of its own.


Chad Scoville called it a Media Doppler 
http://www.ctheory.net/articles.aspx?id=614


You have been cloned, and as it evolves over time, Your clone takes on 
multiple forms.


If you can be anybody, you are now nobody.


On 6/10/13 5:03 PM, Axil Axil wrote:


In recent days, it has become more widely known that there exist 
databases containing all one’s personal communications and 
transactions in irrevocable storage forever spread around both public 
and private organizations. If someone who can access this information, 
a case to support a given allegation can be easily made by picking the 
data that supports their conjecture.




--
Ruby Carat
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Skype ruby-carat
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Re: [Vo]:[Vo] Rossi and temperature

Lewan Sep 7 : 
http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3264365.ece/BINARY/Report+E-cat+test+September+7+%28pdf%29

Near the end -- only starts plotting from 100C (output) -- linear to 130C

Re: [Vo]:[Vo] Rossi and temperature

Lewan April 19 : 
http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3166567.ece/BINARY/Report+test+of+E-cat+19+April+2011.pdf

Not a clear knee ... maybe two linear slopes, then an exponential at the end

Lewan April 28 : 
http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3166569.ece/BINARY/Report+test+of+E-cat+28+April+2011.pdf

Linear all the way to 100C

Levi : December runs 1 (clear) 2 (not clear, data lost)
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LeviGreportonhe.pdf

As it can be seen the system was turned on just around 16.55. After approx 30 
minutes a kink can be observed in the (Y). Because input power (1120 W also 
checked via and clamp amperometer) was not modified (see fig. 5 later) this 
change
of slope testify that the reactor was ignited. After a startup period approx 20 
minutes 
long a second where the reactor power was almost constant taking the water to 
≈75°C a second kink is found when the reactor fully ignites raising the
measured temperature to 101.6 +/-0.1°C and transforming the water into steam. 

(That's all the reports which report a time-temperature profile)

- Original Message -
 Lewan Sep 7 :
 http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3264365.ece/BINARY/Report+E-cat+test+September+7+%28pdf%29
 
 Near the end -- only starts plotting from 100C (output) -- linear to
 130C

Re: [Vo]:OT: NSA Leaker- Edward Snowden and 200K Pay Scale