[Vo]:cold fusion power cell

[Frank Znidarsic]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrVW4IwFINs

Re: [Vo]:New paper from B-J. Huang et al.

[Frank Grimer]

Because many thousands of negative pressure are produced within the cavity.

On Tue, 2 Jan 2024 at 22:14, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Huang, B.-J., et al., *Water can trigger nuclear reaction to produce
> energy and isotope gases.* Scientific Reports, 2024. *14*(1): p. 214.
>
> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-50824-8.epdf
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Mr. Bean vs Mr. Musk

[Frank Grimer]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_engine

On Fri, 9 Jun 2023 at 00:19, Robin  wrote:

> In reply to  Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 8 Jun 2023 19:15:55 -0400:
> Hi,
>
> A fuel cell + electric motor would probably also be more efficient.
> >Hi Grimer!
> >
> >Hydrogen combustion in a gasoline engine has a fraction of the horsepower,
> >not to mention the embrittlement discovered by Bob Lazar when he fueled
> his
> >Vette with H2.  Poor valves.
> [snip]
> Buy electric cars and recharge them from solar panels on your roof.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Mr. Bean vs Mr. Musk

[Frank Grimer]

https://www.google.com/search?q=Gas+bags+on+cars+during+ww2=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB787GB787=Gas+bags+on+cars+during+ww2=chrome..69i57j33i10i160.21718j0j4=chrome=UTF-8

I've no doubt there are problems but I'm confident they could be overcome.
As a child I remember seeing these coal gas cars.

On Fri, 9 Jun 2023 at 00:16, Terry Blanton  wrote:

> Hi Grimer!
>
> Hydrogen combustion in a gasoline engine has a fraction of the horsepower,
> not to mention the embrittlement discovered by Bob Lazar when he fueled his
> Vette with H2.  Poor valves.
>
> On Thu, Jun 8, 2023, 7:08 PM Frank Grimer <88.fr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What about the ICE running on hydrogen generated from electricity.
>>
>> On Thu, 8 Jun 2023 at 23:08, Terry Blanton  wrote:
>>
>>> When we get our energy via fusion, be it natural (Sol) or man made, the
>>> ICE should be melted to make new weapons and plowshares.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 8, 2023, 5:44 PM MSF  wrote:
>>>
>>>> A little diversion for the day.
>>>> Who will win this international shoot out?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/03/electric-vehicles-early-adopter-petrol-car-ev-environment-rowan-atkinson
>>>>
>>>

Re: [Vo]:Mr. Bean vs Mr. Musk

[Frank Grimer]

What about the ICE running on hydrogen generated from electricity.

On Thu, 8 Jun 2023 at 23:08, Terry Blanton  wrote:

> When we get our energy via fusion, be it natural (Sol) or man made, the
> ICE should be melted to make new weapons and plowshares.
>
> On Thu, Jun 8, 2023, 5:44 PM MSF  wrote:
>
>> A little diversion for the day.
>> Who will win this international shoot out?
>>
>>
>> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/03/electric-vehicles-early-adopter-petrol-car-ev-environment-rowan-atkinson
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Very low power levels are worth TONS of money

[Frank Grimer]

Thanks Jed.

On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 at 01:40, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> I do not recall an experiment that produced a lot of steam. Maybe the glow
> discharge ones? They went for 15 minutes before the electrode dissolved.
> They did produce a lot of steam.
>
>>

Re: [Vo]:ICCF24 paper, How to fix global warming with cold fusion

[Frank Grimer]

Very inspiring. Well done.

On Wed, 3 Aug 2022 at 22:41, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Here is the first draft of my presentation at ICCF24:
>
>
> Rothwell, J. *How to fix global warming with cold fusion.* in *ICCF24
> Solid-state Energy Summit.* 2022. Mountain View, CA.
>
>
> https://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJhowtofixgl.pdf
>
>
> Suggestions and corrections are welcome.
>
>
>
> If anyone else here would like me to upload your ICCF24 paper before the
> proceedings are published, just send me a copy. As you know, it takes a
> long time to publish the proceedings.
>
>
>
>
> This is written in the stodgy academic style. The video talk was more fun,
> with silly comments and a nice photo of Arthur Clark with his pet dinosaur.
> Also this great quote from a magazine article by Winston Churchill:
>
>
> If the hydrogen atoms in a pound of water could be prevailed upon to combine
> together and form helium, they would suffice to drive a thousand
> horsepower engine for a whole year. . . . Schemes of cosmic magnitude would
> become feasible. Geography and climate would obey our orders. Fifty
> thousand tons of water . . ., would, if exploited as described, suffice to
> shift Ireland to the middle of the Atlantic.
>
>
> - Churchill, W., Fifty Years Hence, in Strand Magazine. 1931.
>
>
>
> Churchill was a smart cookie. In this article he also predicted *in vitro* 
> meat
> production (cultured meat).
>

Re: [Vo]:Very low power levels are worth TONS of money

[Frank Grimer]

Thanks Terry but that's not it.
I seem to remember a specimen, presumably large, in a bath - I had an image
of a domestic bath but presumably it was probably something smaller - and
vast quantities of steam being released over a long time period - vastly
more than could arise from a chemical reaction.

Maybe I dreamt it. :-)

On Wed, 3 Aug 2022 at 21:23, Terry Blanton  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 10:11 AM Frank Grimer <88.fr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I can't remember where I read that Mizuno had demonstrated a specimen in
>> a water bath which generated impossible amounts of steam. Can anyone
>> provide a link to that experiment please?
>>
>>>
>>>
> I don't know about "impossible" but searching Jed's web site for "mizuno
> steam" returns 7 pages.  Here is the first (after the google ads).
>
> https://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MizunoThydrogenev.pdf
>
> Terry
>

Re: [Vo]:Very low power levels are worth TONS of money

[Frank Grimer]

I can't remember where I read that Mizuno had demonstrated a specimen in a
water bath which generated impossible amounts of steam. Can anyone provide
a link to that experiment please?

On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 at 14:16, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Jonathan Berry  wrote:
>
> Wrist watches of course don't need such frequent replacement, but
>> more-over there are both kinetic and solar solutions.
>>
>
> That's true. There are probably some small devices similar to wrist
> watches that are not moved or left in sunlight that could use a long-lived
> battery. I cannot think of any examples offhand. Some kind of sensor,
> perhaps?
>
> For cardiac pacemakers, several methods have been proposed such as:
>
> Thermoelectric from small temperature differences within the body, or
> piezoelectric devices
>
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3146093/
>
> Itty-bitty turbines driven by blood flow!
>
>
> https://www.engadget.com/2011-05-17-blood-turbine-to-power-your-pacemaker-become-legendary-band-nam.html
>
> Extraction of chemical energy from blood glucose!!
> Russian nuclear scientists are developing a new method of generating
> electricity from human blood to allow pacemakers to work without
> replacement.
>
>
> https://www.rbth.com/science-and-tech/327650-russian-scientists-electricity-from-blood
>
> Creepy, eh? Just what you expect from nuclear scientists.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

[Frank Grimer]

This sounds like an example of the whirling of shafts

"Whirling of shafts occurs due to *rotational imbalance of a shaft*, even
in the absence of external loads, which causes resonance to occur at
certain speeds, known as critical speeds."
Large electricity generating turbines have to be taken quickly
through these critical speeds on start up.

On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 at 03:57, Sean Logan  wrote:

> I have a question about things that rotate:  Is it meaningful to speak of
> "resonance" when something is rotating in only one direction (Clockwise,
> for example)?  When I think of "resonance", I think of a guitar string
> vibrating back and forth, or a parallel LC circuit, with the current
> flowing back and forth.  In both cases, the stuff is moving first one way,
> then the other.  We can talk about how many "back and forths" it makes in a
> given amount of time.  But what if you are spinning a flywheel in just one
> direction?  Is there some particular angular frequency which is
> special, based upon other parameters of the system (maybe the flywheel's
> mass)?  I don't think I'd call it a "resonant frequency", but I would call
> it something.  I mean, is there a particular diameter or rate of rotation
> at which a tornado can form and be stable -- any slower or faster and it
> would fly apart?  It sounds like that is what you are getting at with the
> electron, Andrew.
>
> An old mechanic I used to live with said something to me once to this
> effect:  That there was a particular RPM of the flywheel in an engine at
> which it was "resonant".  That the engine and transmission worked best and
> were happiest when the flywheel was rotating around this particular RPM.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 5:01 AM Andrew Meulenberg 
> wrote:
>
>> I like your derivation. It appears to be another indication of the
>> resonance giving stability to the electron at a specific "size". A similar
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Test

[Frank Grimer]

Thanks Jones.
To me it is a metaphor for catalysis.
One half of component A drops down the field pressure gradient to the low
road and speeds up.
The other half dawdles along the surface.
They both meet up at B and complete their reaction.
The reaction speed for the low road is therefore much faster than the
reaction speed for the high road.
Now in this case the field is gravity.
In chemical catalysis it is Beta-atmosphere.

In my research on clays I showed that specimens compacted from clay
particle aggregations had a higher strength, ergo higher pF, for smaller
aggregations than for larger aggregations.

Now one of Mizuno's experiments involved a palladium specimen compacted
from grains of the metal. The heat generated started running away. Fearing
an explosion he stopped it.

I read somewhere that he has since had specimens which put in a bath
generate large amounts of steam, far too much to be the result of chemical
reaction.

To an unprejudiced observer he has succeeded in finding the holy grail of
Cold Fusion. It seems to me that the only way prejudice will be overcome is
to develop the system commercially. Eventually the skeptics will be forced
to overcome their cognitive dissonance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXuI2oZFwBc



On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 at 14:34, Jones Beene  wrote:

> This similar vid is even a bit more "fake" in terms of expectation
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvlmdPLMQM4
>
> The more general phenomenon seems to be called the Brachistochrome Problem
>
> https://mathworld.wolfram.com/Brac
>
> Jones
>
>
> Frank Grimer wrote:
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlSv_IlXmBg
>
> Two cars.
>
> Green low road car arrives first.
>
> Real or Fake.
>
> Please explain your choice.
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

[Frank Grimer]

>
> I would be more inclined to say that electrons are eddies, rather than
> whole atoms. I think of the other particles in
> the zoo as composite eddies. (Wheels within wheels as it were.)


With a quasi solid core where the speed of rotation exceeds the information
transmission speed of the fluid/field (FLEID).

Bit like an apple really.  :-)

On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 at 23:48, Robin 
wrote:

> In reply to  Sean Logan's message of Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:24:06 -0700:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >Ahh, so even atoms are made of this stuff?  I like your description of
> them
> >as ''eddies'' in the liquid.  When you're paddling a canoe, as you pull
> the
> >paddle out of the water, (after a stroke), there is sometimes a little
> >whirlpool flowing away.  Didn't Rene Descartes propose the idea that atoms
> >are simply vortices in the aether?
>
> I would be more inclined to say that electrons are eddies, rather than
> whole atoms. I think of the other particles in
> the zoo as composite eddies. (Wheels within wheels as it were.)
>
> If no one clicked on ads companies would stop paying for them. :)
>
>

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

[Frank Grimer]

Thanks for your reply. Robin (my favorite garden bird :-)).

A well-known scientist (some say it was Bertrand Russell) once gave a
public lecture on astronomy. He described how the earth orbits around the
sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the center of a vast collection
of stars called our galaxy. At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at
the back of the room got up and said: "What you have told us is rubbish.
The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant
tortoise." The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, "What is
the tortoise standing on?" "You're very clever, young man, very clever,"
said the old lady. "But it's turtles all the way down!"

I'll leave such questions to the philosophers.

As far as I'm concerned we are simply building models of material behavior.
I find my model more powerful than the conventional one. The discovery of
the three equations of state for water, for example, should have been made
by physicists or chemists, not by a retired  engineer.

It's not rocket science is it?



On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 at 21:51, Robin  wrote:

> In reply to  Frank Grimer's message of Fri, 8 Jul 2022 10:21:32 +0100:
> Hi Frank,
> >>
> >>  why do like charges repel, and unlike charges attract?
> >
> >
> >Because one is a source, the other is a sink at the bottom of a deep
> ocean.
>
> That's certainly one possibility. However it raises even more questions.
> E.g. what is the ocean? (made of?)
> Or delving even deeper, what is reality?
> [snip]
> If no one clicked on ads companies would stop paying for them. :)
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Test

[Frank Grimer]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brachistochrone_curve

That's rightBut to less "with it " people in some forums it seems a
terrible enigma. :-)

The trouble with the maths is that it kills all vestige of the real world
and prevents one seeing the demo in a different light. For example an
analogue to Cold Fusion via catalysis.

Years ago I got into correspondence with a couple of chemists, Gankin,V,Y.
and Gankin Y.V. on the subject of catalysis. They reckoned that people
didn't really understand it and so it was pretty empirical.
They sent me a hardback copy of their latest book and asked me to review
it. As an Engineer I felt I wasn't up to the task and declined.

Now I see the trolly (chemical) as dropping dawn a pressure gravity
gamma-atmosphere,  increasing speed and coming back up to complete the
reaction. The trolley reaction on the surface proceeds more slowly.

The pressure drop can reach pF6 for water.

pF scale
> pF is a log scale for representing soil matric potential. Thus,
> (17.1)   pF =  log10(-100y)
> where y is the matric potential in metres of water. Notice that y is
> always negative under unsaturated conditions.
> For example, if your measured wilting point is -15 bar (-152.96 m water),
> then the pF value is 4.2.


 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYGNoZVrsxQ
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYGNoZVrsxQ>

Catalysis is essentially speeding up a reaction by dropping down
field pressure gradients. If things remain on the surface then
the reaction is slow - like the yellow car.

I have shown that for water there is a hierarchy of three pressure
fields (see Prof, Chapin's web site).. In a material like Palladium there
must be dozens. These pressure fields can be manipulated by processing. I
have shown that for clays.

The Effect of Pulverization on the Quality of Clay-cement Influence du
> Degré de Pulvérisation de l’Argile sur la Qualité du Sol-ciment by F. J. G
> r im e r , B.Sc . and N . F. Ross, B.Sc., Road Research Laboratory,
> Department of Scientific and Industrial Research, H arm ondsw orth,
> Middlesex, England


Mizuno processed his palladium and got a runaway reaction which he had to
close down . He "tickled the dragon".

To my mind that was clearly cold fusion. No one appreciates it because they
have the wrong model of material behaviour.  The right model involves
humongous cognitive dissonance for acceptance in the chemical field - let
alone by the hot fusioneers.
As frequently happens in science, advance has to come from the outside.




On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 at 14:34, Jones Beene  wrote:

> This similar vid is even a bit more "fake" in terms of expectation
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvlmdPLMQM4
>
> The more general phenomenon seems to be called the Brachistochrome Problem
>
> https://mathworld.wolfram.com/Brac
>
> Jones
>
>
> Frank Grimer wrote:
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlSv_IlXmBg
>
> Two cars.
>
> Green low road car arrives first.
>
> Real or Fake.
>
> Please explain your choice.
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

[Frank Grimer]

>
>  why do like charges repel, and unlike charges attract?


Because one is a source, the other is a sink at the bottom of a deep ocean.

Unlike charges have a Bernoulli flow between them.
One is a source - the other is a sink
This leads to their apparent attraction.

In reality they are being repelled towards each other by the surrounding
electric field.

This is a Casimir class of effect.

Like charges create a high pressure region between them  from the inflowing
field. This repels them.

Likewise with the much higher pressure field of magnetism.

If we were able to carry out an accurate field pressure test we would be
able to tell whether the "North" pole was the sink and the "South" pole the
source  -  or the other way around  -   because there must be a pressure
gradient between source and sink.

The housewife's vacuum cleaner does not suck up the dust. The
surrounding air field blows it up.

Attraction (at all scales) is simply a negation of surrounding field
pressure.


On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 at 07:28, Robin  wrote:

> In reply to  Vibrator !'s message of Sat, 2 Jul 2022 01:41:55 +0100:
> Hi,
> >> Every moving thing on the planet does the same thing. However the net
> effect is
> >> zero..
> >
> >Reciprocity is obviously broken for effectively-reactionless
> >accelerations however.
> >Let me try restate the conundrum more clearly:
> >
> > • gravity's a mutual attraction between masses / inertias as observed
> >from the zero momentum frame
> >
> > • from within either inertial frame it's a uniform acceleration
> >(Galileo's principle)
> >
> > • a hovering UFO exhibiting no reaction matter is nonetheless a
> >massive body in a gravity field, thus being accelerated downwards at 1
> >G like anything else
>
> This statement contains a couple of unproven assumptions.
> 1) You don't know that's is reactionless.
> 2) You don't know that it's being accelerated upward as well as being
> pulled down by gravity. It may actually be
> canceling the effect of gravity on the craft. After all, we don't really
> know anything about the actual nature of
> gravity, or any of the forces for that matter.
> We have a few constants and some nice formulae, but no real understanding
> of the actual nature of forces. E.g. why do
> like charges repel, and unlike charges attract?
> [snip]
> If no one clicked on ads companies would stop paying for them. :)
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Test

[Frank Grimer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlSv_IlXmBg

Two cars.

Green low road car arrives first.

Real or Fake.

Please explain your choice.

On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 at 07:55, Frank Grimer <88.fr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>

[Vo]:Test

[Frank Grimer]

[Vo]:Test of heading

[Frank Grimer]

Test of text

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

[Frank Grimer]

1747 words - in the middle of the night.

One can't help but applaud your enthusiasm, Vibrator.

On Tue, 5 Jul 2022 at 01:04, Vibrator !  wrote:

> I didn't put any on tick tok.
>
> I didn't 'put' any anywhere.
>
> Again, every day for the last few weeks i've come home from work and
> checked YouTube for the last 24 hrs' UAP uploads.
>
> I skip the dross, and categorise the rest.  So, 'this one goes under this
> header, this one belongs on that list, this is the same type from that vid
> last week', etc. etc.
>
> This very basic methodology - a simple case of 'having to start somewhere'
> with such an enormous data set available - has revealed that most
> sightings, currently, if not historically, are of these mysterious box-orbs.
>
> This is a new type of UFO, to me, anyway.  In fact, i don't see ANYONE
> else describing it as a widespread phenomenon - as i say, most only seem to
> get reported, and commented upon, as if they were unique examples - no one
> else has made the link that they're actually ubiquitous!
>
> This thus qualifies as a new scientific discovery, one that directly
> speaks to the deepest, most profound questions of natural philosophy (not
> least conservation of momentum and energy).
>
> So i'm here presenting that list - primarily drawing attention to the
> prevalence of these hitherto unheard-of 'box-orb' captures.
>
> What's so stunning is that most of the boxes / cubes are caught in broad
> daylight, or at least, twilight.
>
> This enables us to clearly identify that they're the same type of craft -
> obviously harder to do when all you can see is a glowing orb at night.
>
> If you click on the link to the list in the first post, it'll pop up a
> test file full of URL's - all you need do is copy-paste them into a
> browser.  What you'll see is DOZENS of independent video captures of flying
> fish-tanks in broad daylight.
>
> Mostly, they're cubes by day, and glowing orbs by night.  However this
> rule is not absolute - some vids show cubes by night, and orbs by day.
> Most orbs are orange or white, yet many other colours are seen;  some are
> seen changing colour.  Some behaviours seem colour-typed.
>
> So the Tik Tok link you actually clicked on - the one, single link i
> hadn't truncated (how lazy are we?) - i only referenced because it's a
> second example of two box-orbs linked by a tether.  If you complete the YT
> link of the other example, you'll see the same thing, different time and
> place.
>
> I'm well aware all of the comments on Tik Tok identify it as fire lanterns
> - social media is for numbskulls, i've never had any social media accounts
> and never will, it's a horde of mindless ignoramuses and no one else has
> seen this list of related examples;  like me when i saw what i thought were
> fire lanterns, it seems the most likely explanation if you don't know any
> better - Chinese lanterns are a thing, and UFO's are woo - precisely your
> logic too, perfectly rational response - but the whole point of this list
> is to PROVIDE that context necessary for proper analysis, ie. comparison
> with other phenomenon.
>
> Show me a type of fire lantern that looks anything like these things..  i
> mean, it's a glassy, iridescent, semi-opaque box or rectangle -  a
> hexahedron, bashically - sometimes appearing dark-metallic or titanium-like
> - often seen rotating or tumbling on all three axes, that momentarily
> disappears then reappears as it flies.  When seen in groups, this optical
> 'phasing in/out' sometimes synchronises between objects.
>
> After adding dozens of examples to the list, last week YT threw up the
> first one showing a tethered pair.  I'll repeat the full link here so you
> can just click on it (sorry if this is video-bombing the page for anyone
> else):
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZubVcEHtBlw
>
> Note how, like the others, they phase in and out in sync - again, use
> comma and period keys (< and >) for frame advance/back while paused.  These
> are categorically the same type of craft seen in many of the other links.
> The only difference is that clearly-visible tether.
>
> People see tethered flying boxes and think "fire lanterns!" by default -
> as i say, i would've too, if i didn't know any better.  Getting folks
> informed, in order to be able to analyse these things in their proper
> context, is my whole raison d'etre, here..
>
> But that was just one, perhaps freak, example of the tethering behaviour -
> maybe one had broken down and was under tow or something.  So you can
> appreciate my excitement when i found another, again on YT, this time in a
> compilation video.  That video referenced its sources, and the segment
> showing this second tethered pair happened to come from Tik Tok, so, since
> it didn't require a sign-up to view, i linked the source rather than the
> timestamped YT video segment..
>
> So, while everyone else is stuck on "what is it?" and "it's fire
> lanterns!", i'm the only person (apparently) aware of this broader 

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

[Frank Grimer]

I did look at some, not all, of the ones you put on tick tock.

As for this one - blue skies - flashing like a semaphore - ergo - a
firelantern with reflecting panels tumbling around in the wind.

 Not rocket science is it.



On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 at 11:13, Vibrator !  wrote:

> > If you want to believe in little green men, be my guest.
>
> ..so you haven't looked at any of the evidence?  Just wanted to say hello eh..
>
> Well on the off-chance you ever get bored, or really want answers to these big
> questions, maybe take a look in your own time..  I don't see anyone else 
> making
> these connections..  The links won't last forever tho (none of them are 
> mine)..
>
> I suspect you only clicked that one link with a complete URL, showing two 
> tethered
> cubes, every comment below exclaiming it was fire lanterns..  that was your 
> perusal
> of the evidence, and the basis for your conclusion..
>
> ..if i may insist however, this thing below is not a fire lantern:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiowRwpwVAQ=6s
>
> I didn't want to bomb-post embedded videos, hence the truncated links.  Check 
> 'em out,
>
> tho, they'll tickle you i promise..
>
> > But don't look up to the sky while riding that motorbike.
> > You might finish up like the astronomer in Aesop's fable.
>
> Thing is, criss-crossing the country all day and night for three decades,
> i've seen Chinese lanterns
> many times.. always assuming this was the most prosaic explanation for
> orange orbs.  No matter
> how far out in the sticks or how late at night, basically presuming that
> most fire lanterns were released
> by farmers.. for reasons..  because they're a thing, and LGM aren't.
>
> But what the evidence above shows is that a)  some actually ARE aliens -
> these flying orbs DO exist -
> and b)  that they're the same phenomenon as the flying cubes.  They're
> squares by day, disco lights
> by night.
>
> As such, this is much bigger news than LENR, OU or reactionless propulsion
> - likely encompassing
> all these things, but certainly more besides - here's copious, visual
> evidence of new physics, beyond
> the SM, in action.
>
> We don't understand anything of these visitors' technology - what they're
> doing, how or why.  Their
> evident presence however prioritises these questions.  It's the
> alternative - wilful ignorance - that's dumb.
>
> It's much like discovering that Bessler's wheel was actually a genuine
> case of mechanical OU, now
> forgotten and entirely dismissed..  evidence of physics BTSM, right under
> our noses, if not low-hanging
> fruit;  a tantalising tease on what's possible, outside the box of today's
> paradigm.. there in the offing..
>
> How many times have YOU seen and ignored orange orbs on the assumption
> fire lanterns were the
> most-likely explanation?  Because in retrospect, given the evidence here..
> maybe they've seen you too..?
>
> :P
>
>

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

[Frank Grimer]

, flying freely in all skies, everywhere..
>>  there's other consistent types of UFO and locales etc., but this is a
>> consistent thing unto itself, and seemingly more common that all
>> 'traditional' UFO types (saucers, cigars etc.) combined.  They're all but
>> ubiquitous, yet until a few weeks ago i'd never heard of them..
>>
>> As far as anyone else reporting on them; each are presented, and
>> commented on, as individual examples.. no one else seems to be linking all
>> these examples together and saying '*look, it's the same thing!*'.
>>
>> If it was saucers, cigars or tic-tacs etc. i wouldn't be bothering Vorts
>> with 'known unknowns'.
>>
>> But here's an *unknown* unknown..  and ain't it a beaut?  Having
>> identified it as 'a thing' - ie. as some kind of unitary phenomenon - i'm
>> now learning more things about it - this tethering feature the latest
>> discovery - and it seems genuinely exciting stuff, worthy of serious
>> consideration..  beyond-SM physics, in-your-face aliens, IMHO;  obviously
>> technological, and obviously not us.  Obviously far ahead of us, if not
>> ancient.
>>
>> Obvioushly *not* drones, meteorological anomalies or
>> Chinese-bleedin'-lanterns..  (or swamp gas, Mars, Venus *or* Saturn,
>> mass hysteria or hoax etc. etc.)
>>
>> If i haven't made a hard-hitting case for these things here, with this
>> weight of corroborating video.. then i'm done - that's all i've got.. for
>> my part though, i'm reeling from the revelation..  it looks unequivocal to
>> me.
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 8:24 AM Frank Grimer <88.fr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Chinese fire lanterns. Which explains why they are seen all around the
>>> world. It wouldn't surprise me if you even have a small Chinese community
>>> in W3.
>>>
>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 at 01:59, Vibrator !  wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you check the 'box-orbs' list, i now have at least two that clearly
>>>> show tethered pairs:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZubVcEHtBlw
>>>>
>>>> https://www.tiktok.com/@draw_my_town/video/7104013293471304965?lang=en
>>>>
>>>> Same flight config too.. as if the lower one were perhaps siphoning
>>>> some fluid from the upper one..?  JK, no idea what these things are, what
>>>> they're doing, or why.
>>>>
>>>> Bloody exciting time to be alive tho eh?  To be able to cross-reference
>>>> UAP corroborations from independent encounters the world over, updating on
>>>> a daily basis like this..  All i'm doing is LOOKING at available evidence.
>>>> And categorising what i see.  Little else. Ain't spent a dime on it, yet
>>>> within weeks i've achieved a level of certainty NASA and SETI could only
>>>> dream of:  this is definitely real, technological, and not us..
>>>>
>>>> Just like that, the greatest mysteries answered..  i'm reeling, dazed,
>>>> in a slight state of shock here..  awake to a new reality..
>>>>
>>>> What it means, and what to make of it, pffft..  where to start?  Best
>>>> not think about it and carry on?  The further questions though - not least
>>>> the potential for communication - is too alluring..   seeing these things
>>>> is literally paradigm-shifting..
>>>>
>>>

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

[Frank Grimer]

Chinese fire lanterns. Which explains why they are seen all around the
world. It wouldn't surprise me if you even have a small Chinese community
in W3.

On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 at 01:59, Vibrator !  wrote:

> If you check the 'box-orbs' list, i now have at least two that clearly
> show tethered pairs:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZubVcEHtBlw
>
> https://www.tiktok.com/@draw_my_town/video/7104013293471304965?lang=en
>
> Same flight config too.. as if the lower one were perhaps siphoning some
> fluid from the upper one..?  JK, no idea what these things are, what
> they're doing, or why.
>
> Bloody exciting time to be alive tho eh?  To be able to cross-reference
> UAP corroborations from independent encounters the world over, updating on
> a daily basis like this..  All i'm doing is LOOKING at available evidence.
> And categorising what i see.  Little else. Ain't spent a dime on it, yet
> within weeks i've achieved a level of certainty NASA and SETI could only
> dream of:  this is definitely real, technological, and not us..
>
> Just like that, the greatest mysteries answered..  i'm reeling, dazed, in
> a slight state of shock here..  awake to a new reality..
>
> What it means, and what to make of it, pffft..  where to start?  Best not
> think about it and carry on?  The further questions though - not least the
> potential for communication - is too alluring..   seeing these things is
> literally paradigm-shifting..
>

Re: [Vo]:Bearden dead and cheniere.org gone

[Frank Grimer]

I'm not sure how to start a new thread in Vortex-l but since this most
concerns you Jed I'm posting to you in this thread.

In your book on Mizuno (which I seem to have mislaid - probably lent it to
someone who didn't return it) you describe at experiment with specimen of
finely divided metal (palladium?) which he stopped because it was heating
up rapidly and he was afraid it was going to go critical.

I've now realised what was going on.

Clays have an analogous functionality to metals. With clays the fluid
(FLEID) phase is water, With metals the fluid phase is electrons (FIELD).

As the aggregations of clay particles become finer the negative pressure or
suction (pF- analogous to pH) becomes greater.

A similar process must be taking place in the metal. Metals like
palladium must have deeper negative pressure wells than metals further down
the table which gives more opportunity for nuclear catalysis to take effect.

Many years ago Ross and I wrote a paper for an International Conference
describing the effect.
The thing I found surprising was that the strength (a measure of pF)
of aggregations of
different sizes all having the same moisture content, increased with
decrease in aggregation size.

https://www.issmge.org/uploads/publications/1/41/1957_02_0021.pdf

I fear that once this works its way through, it will be much easier to make
nuclear fusion artillery shells and no doubt you and I, and a few others on
the forum will find ourselves in Guantanamo Bay. 



On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 at 18:18, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> ROGER ANDERTON  wrote:
>
>
>> Jed:No one in his right mind would set to sea with a massive coal bunker
>> fire.
>>
>>
>> Exactly hence conspiracy
>>
>
> Nope. You are confused. There was no massive fire. If there had been, the
> whole ship would have been filled with smoke, as I said. Also carbon
> monoxide, which is what you get from spontaneous combustion deep in a pile
> of coal. That is what reports of other bunker fires say. If there was a
> fire, it was small.
>
>
>
>> It was massive but not that massive.
>>
>
> Massive enough to detect or cause damage would have been obvious to the
> crew and passengers, who would have refused to board.
>
>
>
>> Jed: The people running Fukushima were also first class. Japanese
>> engineering is some of the best in the world.
>>
>>
>> And they didn't think about building a bigger sea wall?
>>
> They did think of it, and it was recommended, but they did not do it. As
> one engineer in Japan said: After a disaster, you can always find a
> document on file recommending an improvement that would have prevented the
> disaster. The problem is that if we did all recommended improvements, no
> project would ever be finished and no power reactor would go online. The
> tsunami was a once per thousand years event. Not the sort of thing you
> would normally make a priority.
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Cavitation (sonofusion) reactor from B-J. Huang et al.

[Frank Grimer]

I have now realised that the equations of state for water vapour published
on Dr Chaplin's properties of water website provide evidence for nested
Casimir pressures.

This combined with the explanation of Beta-atmosphere pressure given in the
article Aether Vacua and Cold Fusion provide a significant argument for the
reality of sono-fusion . providing of course one can overcome the huge
cognitive dissonance in recognising that materials at every scale are held
together from without and not from within - a big ask, even for the members
of Vortex-l. ...8-)

For years I felt that only a catastrophe such as failure of a prestressed
concrete AGR pressure vessel is needed to provide the necessary *Gestalt*
switch.  However, as AGRs are now  being decommissioned this possibility is
slowly disappearing.

On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 at 00:37, Frank Grimer <88.fr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> A good example of harnessing the power of the Beta-atmosphere.
> They will cotton on eventually. :-)
>
> On Mon, 4 Apr 2022 at 22:30, Jed Rothwell  wrote:
>
>> This discussion group began long ago with discussions of vortex-induced
>> cavitation, also known as sonofusion. Examples include the work of Roger
>> Stringham and the hydrodynamics gadget (https://www.hydrodynamics.com/).
>> (Look up Stringham in the LENR-CANR.org index,
>> https://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?page_id=1081)
>>
>> I would like to draw your attention to an ICCF23 presentation about this
>> approach. The title does not indicate that's what it is about:
>>
>> Excess Energy from Heat-Exchange Systems
>>
>> Abstract:
>>
>> http://ikkem.com/iccf23/orppt/ICCF23-IA-21%20Huang.pdf
>>
>> In ICCF22, we presented a vapor compression machine (VCS-1) using a
>> 2.75RT freon compressor (Figure 1) which can produce excess energy [1]. The
>> hot refrigerant vapor from the compressor (around 150°C) is used to heat
>> the water flowing through a tiny passage of a triple-pipe heat exchanger.
>> This may cause a violent cavitation of water. The machine was modified
>> furthermore and tested for two years since then. The calorimetric method
>> for COP measurement was improved. The COP inside the steam generator is
>> defined as the heat carried away by water (Qwnet) divided by the net heat
>> input (Wt - QL), denoted as COPx . This is used as the criterion to
>> determine the possibility of excess energy generation. If the measured COPx
>> was greater than 1, then the cavitation-induced low-energy nuclear reaction
>> (LENR) might occur. The test shows that the maximum COPx reaches 1.97
>> (Figure 1) and COPx increases with decreasing inlet water temperature. . . .
>>
>> Video:
>>
>> http://ikkem.com/iccf23/MP4/3b-IN22.mp4
>>
>> In the video lecture, the COP is shown as high as 1.97 (minute 10).
>> Excess heat, when present, ranges from 2.15 to 4.18 kW (minute 16:30). With
>> one reactor, there were 4 months with no heat, which can be taken as a
>> baseline calibration, followed by 2 months of excess heat (minute 16).
>>
>> An upcoming JCMNS paper has more details.
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:What would it take?

[Frank Grimer]

This is the kind of toy that is needed. People have made attempts to
emulate but as yet no one has succeeded. They need to try harder.
I believe it worked.


> "Bruce Welsh is an electronics engineer with* the o*pen spirit which has
> been devoted to alternative energies for twenty years. It is convinced that
> one can build machines with on-unit.

He had an uncle who liked to arrange, to invent. One day, old Bruce of
seven or eight years, returned visit to the uncle who showed to the
grandfather the new play that it had made for his children (it had six of
them).

The play made in the sixty centimetres height for a base of thirty
centimetres square. It consisted of a slope in spiral of three turns and
half. At the bottom of the slope a paddle wheel, connected by some gears to
an elevator was placed going up to the top of the play where a hopper
furnished with ten balls was. An opening to rocker in the hopper made it
possible to let pass, one by one the balls which went down the slope into
three to five seconds.

The ball touched the paddle wheel what gave a small upswing which released
another ball whereas the first was on the elevator and went towards the
hopper. And so on.

There were five balls at the same time on the elevator and the once
launched play did not stop any more. To begin, all the balls were to be in
the hopper and Bruce remembers to be thundered by the uncle because it had
touched the paddle wheel, thus stopping the play started again soon by the
uncle. And, several hours after, the play always functioned.

Did the uncle know that it had violated the laws of physics?

Its descendants do not know any more what became this play, it is probable
that the uncle in recovered the parts as it was its practice to rebuild
another thing, unless it does not sleep yet in an old farm, in dust… They
do not remember either to have seen other apparatuses functioning in an
autonomous way, nor of engine on the play, but know that the play had
stopped afterwards weeks and simply set out again after being cleaned.

Foot-note: the slope in spiral is indeed a vortex and it seems that in a
certain way the vortices add energy, one unceasingly finds them in many
ideas related to on-unit.

(KeelyNet source of the 14/12/97)"

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 at 23:00, Jonathan Berry 
wrote:

> Interesting idea.
>
> And while I don't think there are many things that could be introduced as
> a toy (Otis T. Carr's patent aside) ...
> Or maybe a perpetual motion toy, albeit if that was cheap enough to be for
> kids it would be a toy adults would want even more (executive toys).
>
> I think that images that manifested a tangible energy-like phenomena that
> kids could feel could appeal to at least some parents.
>
> Of course the designs will have to be less controversial that the top
> image which is a swastika (happily not just a Nazi thing and in no way
> resembles the Nazi version).
>
> Of course not all kids can feel the phenomena any more than all adults,
> but perhaps the percentage is higher as kids haven't been so heavily
> indoctrinated against such ideas yet.
>
> Maybe at any rate a book for kids and one for adults could be a way to go.
>
> Maybe a colouring book.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 at 09:08, Robin 
> wrote:
>
>> In reply to  Jonathan Berry's message of Wed, 13 Apr 2022 01:11:30 +1200:
>> Hi,
>> [snip]
>> >What would it take for a breakthrough in science?
>>
>> Most people are instinctively afraid of what they don't understand, so
>> they ignore it, and hope it will just go away.
>> This is especially true if acceptance implies upsetting their entire
>> world view.
>> Suggestion: Introduce it as a toy. Toys are something harmless given to
>> children to help them become accustomed to life
>> in the real world, so people automatically accept toys as harmless,
>> because that's what they have experienced all their
>> lives.
>> As long as the toy works, and is novel, everyone will want one, and
>> eventually mainstream science will get around to
>> investigating.
>>
>> >
>> >When I run through the scenarios it is pretty depressing!
>> >
>> >There are people who move manifest "Chi" type energy either with their
>> body
>> >or with technology (pyramids, orgone accumulators, orgonite).
>> >This cannot be discounted by science, but it can be ignored.
>> >My own coils and image designs have been felt by people who have had no
>> >knowledge (not placebo) but no one cares.
>> >And I have found which cup of 10 cups has the coil placed under it, but
>> no
>> >one cares.  Cannot be explained away but most on even this list won't
>> even
>> >give it a moment.
>> >
>> >So demonstration of a sensation that many (but not everyone) will feel
>> >isn't going to cut it, maybe if it was compellingly strong for 99%, but
>> not
>> >much less than that.
>> >
>> >So we also have many people who have demonstrated Free Energy,
>> Antigravity,
>> >"Cold fusion", and in the whole these cannot be fully debunked.
>> >However replication is 

Re: [Vo]:What would it take?

[Frank Grimer]

A Bessler Wheel in the form of a toy.
Interestingly, Laithwaite came close to solving this with his gyro
demonstration at the RI.
May the strain be with you.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 at 23:00, Jonathan Berry 
wrote:

> Interesting idea.
>
> And while I don't think there are many things that could be introduced as
> a toy (Otis T. Carr's patent aside) ...
> Or maybe a perpetual motion toy, albeit if that was cheap enough to be for
> kids it would be a toy adults would want even more (executive toys).
>
> I think that images that manifested a tangible energy-like phenomena that
> kids could feel could appeal to at least some parents.
>
> Of course the designs will have to be less controversial that the top
> image which is a swastika (happily not just a Nazi thing and in no way
> resembles the Nazi version).
>
> Of course not all kids can feel the phenomena any more than all adults,
> but perhaps the percentage is higher as kids haven't been so heavily
> indoctrinated against such ideas yet.
>
> Maybe at any rate a book for kids and one for adults could be a way to go.
>
> Maybe a colouring book.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 at 09:08, Robin 
> wrote:
>
>> In reply to  Jonathan Berry's message of Wed, 13 Apr 2022 01:11:30 +1200:
>> Hi,
>> [snip]
>> >What would it take for a breakthrough in science?
>>
>> Most people are instinctively afraid of what they don't understand, so
>> they ignore it, and hope it will just go away.
>> This is especially true if acceptance implies upsetting their entire
>> world view.
>> Suggestion: Introduce it as a toy. Toys are something harmless given to
>> children to help them become accustomed to life
>> in the real world, so people automatically accept toys as harmless,
>> because that's what they have experienced all their
>> lives.
>> As long as the toy works, and is novel, everyone will want one, and
>> eventually mainstream science will get around to
>> investigating.
>>
>> >
>> >When I run through the scenarios it is pretty depressing!
>> >
>> >There are people who move manifest "Chi" type energy either with their
>> body
>> >or with technology (pyramids, orgone accumulators, orgonite).
>> >This cannot be discounted by science, but it can be ignored.
>> >My own coils and image designs have been felt by people who have had no
>> >knowledge (not placebo) but no one cares.
>> >And I have found which cup of 10 cups has the coil placed under it, but
>> no
>> >one cares.  Cannot be explained away but most on even this list won't
>> even
>> >give it a moment.
>> >
>> >So demonstration of a sensation that many (but not everyone) will feel
>> >isn't going to cut it, maybe if it was compellingly strong for 99%, but
>> not
>> >much less than that.
>> >
>> >So we also have many people who have demonstrated Free Energy,
>> Antigravity,
>> >"Cold fusion", and in the whole these cannot be fully debunked.
>> >However replication is spott at best (often it seems like winning lottery
>> >odds) and the true mechanisms aren't really understood (these two facts
>> are
>> >related of course).
>> >
>> >So bleeding edge indeed, technology mankind can reach to the stars with
>> is
>> >left to languish.
>> >
>> >These technologies aren't fitting in with the prefered models of science,
>> >they aren't favored by those with the money, they are at odds with
>> politics
>> >and are at odds almost philosophically with much of the world.
>> >
>> >So what will it take?
>> >
>> >If a device that produces an effect is expensive or difficult to
>> reproduce,
>> >too few will, even if those who do reproduce it are successful so what?
>> >And one or two poor effort reproductions that fail will throw cold water
>> on
>> >others who otherwise might.
>> >
>> >If a device provides an anomaly and needs exotic meters or such, again
>> that
>> >is going to lead to too few who verify it.
>> >
>> >Maybe if a device is really cheap and simple to reproduce and provides a
>> >readily observed clearly anomalous effect it could do something...
>> >But to be honest as long as there is neither a mass of interested people
>> >not interested people with money and or the right positions within
>> >physics...
>> >
>> >I am not really sure how humanity is going to advance!
>> >
>> >This doesn't just relate to my research, this relates to every possible
>> >technology Vortex was created to discuss or further.
>> >
>> >I am not trying to push my designs here, but if anyone wants to fight off
>> >incredulity (or is someone who has felt energy from my previous designs)
>> >then:
>> >
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/Aetheric_Engineering/comments/ty1j4f/latest_poll/
>> >Generally it is about 50% feel something, and again no one has been able
>> to
>> >explain away the multiple events that utterly disprove any conventional
>> >explanation.
>> >
>> >But be it my research or anything else, there is a massive barrier that
>> >except for making something useful obvious and cheap and easy to make. or
>> >some angel investor or lottery win...
>> >I 

Re: [Vo]:Cavitation (sonofusion) reactor from B-J. Huang et al.

[Frank Grimer]

A good example of harnessing the power of the Beta-atmosphere.
They will cotton on eventually. :-)

On Mon, 4 Apr 2022 at 22:30, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> This discussion group began long ago with discussions of vortex-induced
> cavitation, also known as sonofusion. Examples include the work of Roger
> Stringham and the hydrodynamics gadget (https://www.hydrodynamics.com/).
> (Look up Stringham in the LENR-CANR.org index,
> https://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?page_id=1081)
>
> I would like to draw your attention to an ICCF23 presentation about this
> approach. The title does not indicate that's what it is about:
>
> Excess Energy from Heat-Exchange Systems
>
> Abstract:
>
> http://ikkem.com/iccf23/orppt/ICCF23-IA-21%20Huang.pdf
>
> In ICCF22, we presented a vapor compression machine (VCS-1) using a 2.75RT
> freon compressor (Figure 1) which can produce excess energy [1]. The hot
> refrigerant vapor from the compressor (around 150°C) is used to heat the
> water flowing through a tiny passage of a triple-pipe heat exchanger. This
> may cause a violent cavitation of water. The machine was modified
> furthermore and tested for two years since then. The calorimetric method
> for COP measurement was improved. The COP inside the steam generator is
> defined as the heat carried away by water (Qwnet) divided by the net heat
> input (Wt - QL), denoted as COPx . This is used as the criterion to
> determine the possibility of excess energy generation. If the measured COPx
> was greater than 1, then the cavitation-induced low-energy nuclear reaction
> (LENR) might occur. The test shows that the maximum COPx reaches 1.97
> (Figure 1) and COPx increases with decreasing inlet water temperature. . . .
>
> Video:
>
> http://ikkem.com/iccf23/MP4/3b-IN22.mp4
>
> In the video lecture, the COP is shown as high as 1.97 (minute 10). Excess
> heat, when present, ranges from 2.15 to 4.18 kW (minute 16:30). With one
> reactor, there were 4 months with no heat, which can be taken as a baseline
> calibration, followed by 2 months of excess heat (minute 16).
>
> An upcoming JCMNS paper has more details.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:US Department of Energy (ARPA-E) LENR Workshop Oct 21-22

[Frank Znidarsic]

Were you invited?

Re: [Vo]:the uninhibited mind

[Frank Grimer]

IT'S TURTLES ALL THE WAY DOWN
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On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 at 14:15, Don  wrote:

>
>
> "When we understand the structure of matter then we may devise
> confirmatory experiments using whatever instrumentation we please, but
> until that understanding is attained, the proper tool is the uninhibited
> mind." --Wilbert Smith, *New Science
> (http://www.rexresearch.com/smith/newsci.htm
> )*
>
>

[Vo]:Outreach for discussion on Znidarsic-Smith genuine UFO reverse engineering using causal reasoning

[Frank Znidarsic]

Don, I don't know how but you know too much!

[Vo]:Alien science -The fabric of time

[Frank Znidarsic]

Thank you Don.  If you check the vortex achieves you will find that my work is 
nothing compared to that of Jones B.  Here is what others have said about it.
https://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/chapterg.html

What I am saying is is that inertial mass is not a conserved property of the 
universe.  It can be reduced to zero and then we could go faster than light 
speed, maybe.

Frank Znidarsic

[Vo]:What do you think about the SPARC?

[Frank Znidarsic]

https://news.mit.edu/2021/MIT-CFS-major-advance-toward-fusion-energy-0908

[Vo]:book report on "Energy, Cold Fusion, and Antigravity"

[Frank Znidarsic]

Sales near zero.Library readers scarce
Impact zero.

Its a good thing that I did not quit my day job.
Frank Z

Re: Aha, there's a video Re: [Vo]:FE device quietly published

[Frank Grimer]

No surprise to me.

As I've shown. It makes more sense to view concrete, etc., and held
together  from without by Beta-atmosphere pressure - and not from within by
inconceivable tensions.

It's very annoying to be born before one's time.

Let's hope he pulls his finger out and builds a large scale prototype.


On Fri, 3 Sept 2021 at 04:10, William Beaty  wrote:

>
>
> Here's earlier Garret Moddel talks from SSE conferences
>
>Believing FE claims?   28min
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FPf3PiqiZY=556s
>
>"Energy from the Vacuum" gas thru Casmir cavity  ?2009? Conf Boulder CO
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7CX89cTvFw  PART I   talk
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU_ZHMba5-Q  PART II  talk
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz8BOlj6clA  PART III questions
>
>interview
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oco54HUAyuM  90min
>
>
> On Thu, 2 Sep 2021, William Beaty wrote:
> > Newly discovered nanolayer fabbed micro-volt "rectifiers" used for
> tapping
> > Casmir oscillations, Garret Moddel.  The "free energy" version was just
> > presented at the August SSE conference, scientificexploration.org, but
> their
> > vimeo video is private.  Here's a youtube version, August 1 2021
> >
> >  Unlocking zero-point energy  45min
> >  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tGRhTXKh8A
> >
>
>  ( (  (   ((O))   )  ) ) 
> William J. Beatyhttp://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/
> beaty, chem washington edu  Research Engineer
> billb, amasci com   UW Chem Dept,  Bagley Hall RM74
> x3-6195 Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700
>
>

Re: [Vo]:What is meant by vortex here?

[Frank Grimer]

By removing the oscillation he removed the very thing
that was causing the Steorn effect I seem to remember.

On Fri, 6 Aug 2021 at 19:52, Terry Blanton  wrote:

> We called it the "Little Effect".  Devices never worked around Scott
> Little (or his daughter?)
>
> Kinda the opposite of the "Hutchison Effect".  :)
>

Re: [Vo]:What is meant by vortex here?

[Frank Grimer]

I wouldn't worry too much about Puthoff

Puthoff took an interest in the Church of Scientology
 in the late 1960s and
reached what was then the top OT VII
 level by 1971.[3]
 Puthoff
wrote up his "wins" for a Scientology publication, claiming to have
achieved "remote viewing "
abilities.[4]  In
1974, Puthoff also wrote a piece for Scientology's *Celebrity* magazine,
stating that Scientology had given him "a feeling of absolute fearlessness".
[5]  Puthoff
severed all connection with Scientology in the late 1970s.[6]


On Fri, 6 Aug 2021 at 16:30, Bob Higgins  wrote:

> Hi Jones,
>
> I now have Earthtech's MOAC (calorimeter) in my lab and I am refurbishing
> and re-commissioning it.  Earthtech is now closed and they are emptying
> their building.
>
> The Griggs device was not tested in the MOAC calorimeter.  I spoke with
> the engineers who built MOAC and who also tested the Griggs device.  They
> measured the actual torque and RPM going into the cavitator (hence they
> measured the mechanical input power).  I didn't ask how they measured the
> heat output.  Their conclusion was no excess heat.  That's about all I know
> about the experiment.
>
>
> 
>  Virus-free.
> www.avg.com
> 
> <#m_5220694793293478513_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 7:41 AM Jones Beene  wrote:
>
>> Bob Higgins wrote:
>>
>> BTW, I was told that Earthtech testing of the Griggs device did NOT show
>> excess heat.  The testing process was described to me.
>>
>>
>> Hey Bob - that null result does not surprise me but is it really
>> meaningful?
>>
>> Earthtech has a precision calorimeter which can accommodate small
>> cavitation devices but as Rothwell has stated in the past, the Griggs
>> machine is about 1000 times too large to be tested by them. He says that Ga
>> Tech did test the device and found net thermal gain but, sadly, those
>> results are not to be found on the WWW for unknown reasons ... so... it
>> looks like an open issue.
>>
>> I wish someone would do the definitive testing of the large machine and
>> have the courage to defend positive results if found.
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:What is meant by vortex here?

[Frank Grimer]

I believe it does. See the following article in
Infinite Energy magazine.
Grimer, Frank J. Aether Vacua and Cold Fusion, 2002, 8, 46, 28

I also think that Cold Fusion and the Griggs effect are connected
as will be clear from the article.

Mind you. I can well understand poor Griggs not wanting to venture
so far away from the engineering scale.
To do that you have to be as insane as I am. :-)

On Fri, 6 Aug 2021 at 13:54, Jones Beene  wrote:

> Hi Frank,
>
> I had not seen your Russian reference about the Potapov device. (which
> needs a bit of editing, probably due to poor translation)
>
> This brings ti mind one curious detail in the Griggs/Potapov results - as
> well as some Casimir force, magnetic motor, Maxwell's demon, and even a few
> LENR experiments - is that the upper range of thermal gain (output over
> input) seems to be limited to something like 1.25 or so.
>
> Which is to say that there is some real gain (overunity) - but not much.
>
> Does you beta atmosphere theory address this point?
>
> Jones
>
>
> Frank Grimer wrote:
>
>
> https://remontideas.ru/en/warm-floor/vechnyi-dvigatel-potapova-generator-svobodnoi-energii-s-samozapitkoi.html
>
> A bit of history.
>

Re: [Vo]:What is meant by vortex here?

[Frank Grimer]

https://remontideas.ru/en/warm-floor/vechnyi-dvigatel-potapova-generator-svobodnoi-energii-s-samozapitkoi.html

A bit of history.

On Thu, 5 Aug 2021 at 14:16, Jones Beene  wrote:

> David Jonsson wrote:
>
>
> Hi
>
> The concept vortex seems to be used in different ways.
>
> How is it used on this list?
>
>
> > As Bill B sez: Vortex-L was created for discussions of research into
> vortex or cavitation devices like that of Griggs which exhibit apparent
> anomalous energy it evolved into a discussion into all kinds of "taboo"
> physics like cold fusion.
>
> For instance, I joined out of interest in the Ranque-Hilsch vortex tube
> which still may harbor a few mysteries despite not being efficient as a
> cooling device ...
>
>

Re: [Vo]:What is meant by vortex here?

[Frank Grimer]

A good example of getting energy from the Beta-atmosphere.
Beene knows what I'm talking about.

https://assets.markallengroup.com//article-images/1085/f-hydro.htm

"Hydro Sonic’s unit has been the subject of three tests by a leading US
technical university. The university apparently demonstrated a coefficient
of performance of 1.28:1 meaning there was a case for over unity. Kelly
Hudson, of Hydro Sonics, says, *"Unfortunately Einstein has more
credibility than me." *Which is why the company are actively pursuing its
commercial potential before the over unity question comes into play."

And shed loads more than me. :-)


On Thu, 5 Aug 2021 at 14:16, Jones Beene  wrote:

> David Jonsson wrote:
>
>
> Hi
>
> The concept vortex seems to be used in different ways.
>
> How is it used on this list?
>
>
> > As Bill B sez: Vortex-L was created for discussions of research into
> vortex or cavitation devices like that of Griggs which exhibit apparent
> anomalous energy it evolved into a discussion into all kinds of "taboo"
> physics like cold fusion.
>
> For instance, I joined out of interest in the Ranque-Hilsch vortex tube
> which still may harbor a few mysteries despite not being efficient as a
> cooling device ...
>
>

[Vo]:uap report by Fran

[Frank Znidarsic]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp-FD7S9cBE

[Vo]:uap report out

[Frank Znidarsic]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/ufo-report-government-can-t-explain-143-144-mysterious-flying-n1272390

What it this stuff?   Jones may have a clue!

Frank

Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month

[Frank Znidarsic]

Momentum is always conserved.  As inertial mass is destroyed the object goes 
faster to conserve momentum.  It analogous to an inductor.  When its inductance 
is reduced by removing the solenoid the current increases.


As you wrote below, do you mean that momentum can disappear?  Or that momentum 
can be 'created' from other fields storing a potential energy? Does this allow 
a Z-wave, per se, to become an inertial transformer?  In principle.    Thanks, 
DonEM



-Original Message-
From: Chris Zell 
To: don86...@gmail.com ; vortex-l@eskimo.com 

Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 9:59 am
Subject: RE: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month

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Vialle?) who built a balance beam with a heavy rotor.  Accelerate the rotor and 
that end of the beam goes up as lighter.  Deaccelerate and it goes down as 
heavier.  Perhaps this agrees with Kosyrev experiments long ago.    From: Don 
 
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 8:28 AM
To: Vortex People 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month    Hi Frank,    As you 
wrote below, do you mean that momentum can disappear?  Or that momentum can be 
'created' from other fields storing a potential energy? Does this allow a 
Z-wave, per se, to become an inertial transformer?  In principle.    Thanks, 
DonEM    On 5/27/2021 8:34 AM, Frank Znidarsic wrote: 
I think something that many are missing in this analysis it that inertial mass 
is not a conserved property of the universe. 
  CAUTION: This message was sent from outside the Nexstar organization. Please 
do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender. 

[Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month

[Frank Znidarsic]

I think something that many are missing in this analysis it that inertial mass 
is not a conserved property of the universe.

[Vo]:donut?

[Frank Znidarsic]

The only donuts I now abut are these ones on PBS
https://www.pbs.org/show/how-she-rolls/



You have infected my logic, my dear engineer. This interest has intensified and 
drifted more intelligible (in my own theory basin) over several years now.
In time (if I live long enough) I hope to study the character of a rotary 
magnetic system harmonic <-- which Bill Beaty (CC) shared is a 4th impedance to 
appear on a rotary 3-phase Tesla coil experiment, which Bill shared off list 
(and maybe on-vortex-list, also?)As a fan of your work, Frank, naturally I'd be 
most intoxicated to discuss an analytic search for the Z-velocity.
A conjecture of test...
Perhaps the Coulombic Z-velocity will imprint its nature upon the 1/f 
frequency-drift of the noise-floor of the chaotic rotary magnetic oscillator 
(ring amp of resonant magnetic dipoles) <-- a copper array on a dielectric 
donut w/magnetic vector rotation at Z-velocity.  (Digitally driven, and a 
state-machine design that could port to an FPGA or such providing a 
harmonic-lock on tracked anomalies  <--as found to exist in the time-domain 
--w/soft-wired graphics.) 

Re: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month

[Frank Znidarsic]

I sent my book to the people doing this study research at the Pentagon.  As 
usual I have heard noting.  Not even the the, It Was Interesting put down.



Frank

Re: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month

[Frank Grimer]

They are taking the piss. :-)

On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 23:59, Robin 
wrote:

> In reply to  Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 20 May 2021 18:53:24 -0400:
> Hi Terry,
> [snip]
> >I hope you are right; however, my research tells me that they are taking
> >something from us.  And I really don't think they give a hoot about the
> >Prime Directive.
>
> What research, and what do you think they are taking?
>
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk 
>
>

[Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month

[Frank Znidarsic]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/17/ufo-report-marco-rubio-urges-us-take-seriously-uap

[Vo]:did E-80 go the way of 3D television

[Frank Znidarsic]

My old car took E80 gasoline my new one does not.  I see that the local gas 
pumps now have auto diesel and E80 was removed.
What happened?  E80 was renewable.
Frank Z

[Vo]:Re: More UFO spottted

[Frank Znidarsic]

https://nypost.com/2021/04/12/us-navy-ships-capture-video-of-pyramid-shaped-ufos-overhead/



Frank

[Vo]:More UFO spottted

[Frank Znidarsic]

Spotted near navy ships and land based nuclear facitities.What the heck?
Frank

[Vo]:Re: Fresh MIlk Album

[Frank Znidarsic]

Coming along.  I now use synthetic reads and they don't squeak so much.I need a 
gear driven guitar type apparatus to hold the viola and violin in tune.  
Sprinkling rosin powder on the pegs does not do it for me.Perhaps I will design 
one.
First song:  Do you really want to tell me that you really care  ya ya ya or do 
you really want to show me that your not exactly there.
Second song:  I got vaccinated.  It was a bit belated.  I thought I was going 
to die and I realy did cry.
Third song:  Hot fusion is just around the corner and you will see it always 
will be.
Forth Song:  1  .   0  9  4 megaherts- meters is the constant upon which the 
world teeters.







-Original Message-
From: Frank Znidarsic 
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sun, Feb 21, 2021 4:31 pm
Subject: Fresh MIlk Album

Just working on it now.  Should be out by summer

https://angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/FreshMlk.mp4

[Vo]:Fresh MIlk Album

[Frank Znidarsic]

Just working on it now.  Should be out by summer

https://angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/FreshMlk.mp4

[Vo]:Re: merry Christmas

[Frank Znidarsic]

opps wrong URL correct below
https://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/ViolinXmass.mp4

[Vo]:merry Christmas

[Frank Znidarsic]

https://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/violinXmass.mp4

Re: [Vo]:superluminal mind

[Frank Cook]

at far (yet).
> 
> Transcranial magnetic stimulation goes through flesh and brain, where voltage 
> effects on the brain are routed as currents around the brain without needles 
> putting current right in context with a neuron cluster.  
> 
> Hameroff states that sonic, electrical, or magnetic pulses at the proper 
> frequency will engage the tubulin moment.  <-- Does not that indicate the 
> effect leverages upon the Coulombic field having its mass-center perturbed by 
> whatever external force? Sono-Coulomb-tronics does not exist, yet.  But Frank 
> Znidarsic paved the way with Podkletnov's data interpretation.
> 
> Also, Hameroff discovered that eight megaHertz of ultrasonic activation of 
> the nanotubules causes nanotubes to auto-assemble and repair <--- literally 
> repairing age-damage <-- with a 40 minute buzz of well being (per Hameroff 
> who did it).  Eight megaHz sonic energy treats depression.  Sonogram 
> equipment for imaging feti in the womb is I think what Hameroff used for his 
> buzz by placing the ultrasonics on his head.
> 
> Mad Amateur Science (MAS)
> 
> Troll mode on: I am mounting a hackaday.io project to invite assistance with 
> the build details.  The old brain does not want to struggle with each and 
> every learning curve of tech builds --where are the interns when needed?  
> E.g., surface mounting ultra-transistors directly on copper resonators, 
> developing a fast data-log for arithmetic analysis with some Russian 
> algorithms could use some techy help, maybe a fund-raiser for hired science 
> should something interesting occur.
> 
> Shaun, the tech I'm developing would --if developed with some proper sensor 
> matrix on your 'wave articulation matrix'
> 
> would...
> 
> Show all patterns as exist in the active phase-space of the sensorized 
> topology. (At a resolution of the sensor matrix, which may be sparce and 
> extrapolated for waveform of rotation, mirrored signs, and the like.  And I'm 
> talking a serious lab development here... not a just hacked out (virgin 
> pristine IP wild frontier).  Oh hey!  If open source, it is shared.  The 
> analysis scheme is by spy-tech... so, the sword gets beaten into a plow point 
> to share among community.  It is an actual plowshare project.  Marketing 
> lingo.
> 
> The Russian tech was wrapped by a team of Ph.D-s plus a lowly coder (me), and 
> was given 800 million dollars twice to implement the affordances in that Utah 
> spy center.  The hunt for terrorists by looking at --Oh, maybe that's 
> classified.  The science is posted by the P. S. Prueitt, Ph.D, who got it 
> from a defected Russia and formalized it into DARPA, online at 
> ontologystream.com, and I've clear copyright to the algorithmic proofs I 
> wrote for a DARPA funding competition confab.  The DARPA work isn't posted, 
> just the computer science of the Russian Quasi Axiomatic Theory 
> (co-occurrence categoric comparison of time-line data streams for big data, 
> pretty simple stuff, just odd like category theory).
> 
> What's so spiffy keen about the QAT is that in principle, co-occurrence of 
> mental categorization is the quantum-unit of perception.  'wave articulation 
> matrix' is perceivable visually as iconery algorithmically.  Waxing sappy: it 
> is as if my career path tooled-me-up for parsing the perceptive envelope of 
> mind --cause all the component know-how was waiting in my bucket list.  Golly 
> gee.  
> 
> Any MAS support is highly appreciated (but I'm really just a technologist 
> hunting for data and wistful for a science wrapper on the work).
> 
> Troll mode OFF and out.
> 
> -don
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 10:30 PM Sean Logan  wrote:
>> Can you elaborate on how and why a "resonance decays through the Fibonacci 
>> spirals of a protein nanotubel" ?  Would other structures, whose geometry is 
>> related to the Fibonacci sequence, or to a Golden Spiral, also function like 
>> this?  Would this shape, for example?
>> 
>> spaz.org/~magi
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 10:37 AM Don Mitchell  wrote:
>>> Hello vortex-l,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Premise: Penrose-Hameroff Orch OR Theory proposed protein nanotube is 
>>> properly identified as the interface of spirit with brain.
>>> 
>>> By Penrose logic, the brain does not generate mind, but is a transceiver 
>>> interface composed of protein nanotubes that burst into quantum resonance 
>>> about 40 times a second.  You and me are minds in the aether activating 
>>> quantum relaxation oscillators to be you and me, per Sir Penrose and Dr. 
>>> Hameroff.
>>> 
>>> In the PH model, quantum resonance 

[Vo]:beats and patterns

[Frank Znidarsic]

The DeBrogle wave as a beat in the Compton frequency of the electron.
http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/chapter7.html#Pg9


enjoy

Frank Znidarsic

Re: [Vo]:Count Rumford's theory of cooling and warming rays

[Frank Znidarsic]

When I was doing cold fusion experiments with high voltage.  The corona (think 
it was ozone) that came off seemed to have a cooling effect.


-Original Message-
From: H LV 
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, Sep 16, 2020 12:49 am
Subject: [Vo]:Count Rumford's theory of cooling and warming rays

The following is from  _Pictet's experiment: The apparent radiation and 
reflection of cold_  by James Evans and Brian Popp (1985). (google search for 
full pdf paper) I think Evan's and Popp's criticism of Rumford's theory in the 
last paragraph below is mistaken. It is only the relative difference in 
frequency that determines whether a ray will be cooling (frigorific) or warming 
(calorific) rather than a relative difference in amplitude. An increase or 
decrease in amplitude will only affect the rate at which cooling or warming 
occurs so Rumford's theory is not plagued by internal inconsistencies as they 
argued.   

Another interesting part of Rumford's theory is that a body only cools or warms 
by the rays it receives rather than by the rays it emits.
--Begin quote--
Rumford's own explanation of the radiation and reflection of cold was 
thoroughly undulationist in nature. As suggested at the beginning of this 
article, Rumford regard-ed radiant heat as an undulation analogous to sound, 
and seems to have viewed Pictet's experiment more or less as a case of a driven 
oscillator: "The cold body in one focusCompels the warm body the thermounctcr, 
in the ciber to-cus to change its note." This was the explanation he ven-tured 
to offer his companions at Edinburgh in 1800. Later,u lis eper of 1804, he gave 
a more or less complete sketch of his view of radiant heat.

To begin, imagine a bell, or any other body perfectly elastic, placed in a 
perfectly elastic fluid medium and sur-rounded by other perfectly elastic 
bodies. When the bell is struck and made to vibrate, its vibrations are 
gradually communicated, by means of the undulations or pulsationsthey occasion 
in the elastic fluid medium, to the other sur-rounding bodies. If these bodies 
should happen already to be vibrating at the same frequency with which the bell 
vi-brates, the undulations occasioned in the elastic medium by the bell would 
neither increase nor diminish the fre-quency of the vibration of the 
surrounding bodies; nor would the undulations caused by the vibrations of these 
bodies tend to accelerate or retard the vibrations of the bell.But if the 
vibrations of the bell were more frequent than those of the surrounding bodies, 
the undulations produced by the bell in the elastic fluid would tend to 
accelerate the vibrations of the surrounding bodies. On the other hand,the 
slower vibrations of the surrounding bodies would re-tard the vibrations of the 
bell. The bell and the surrounding bodies would continue to affect one another 
until, by the vibrations of the latter being gradually increased and those of 
the former diminished, they would be reduced to the same tone.

Now, if heat is assumed to be nothing more than the vibrations of the 
constituent particles of a body, the cooling of a hot object by radiation will 
entail a series of actions and reactions similar to those just described for 
the case of the bell. The rapid undulations produced in the surrounding 
ethereal fluid will act as calorific rays on the neighboring bodies, and the 
slower undulations produced by the vibra-tions of these colder bodies will act 
as frigorific rays on the hot body. These reciprocal actions will continue 
until the hot body and the colder bodies around it have acquired the same 
temperature, i.e., until their vibrations have becomeisochronous.It follows 
that cold and heat are relative terms. The rays from one particular object will 
be either frigorific or calo-rific, according as they impinge on other objects 
either warmer or colder than itself. Imagine three identical bo-dies, A, B, and 
C. Let A be at the temperature of freezing water, B at the temperature of 72 
°F, and C at 112 °F. The Rays emitted by B will be calorific with respect to 
the colderbody A, but frigorific with respect to C. Moreover, they will be just 
as efficacious in heating the former as in cooling the latter.  

"According to this hypothesis, cold can with no more propriety be considered as 
the absence of heat than a low orgrave sound can be considered as the absence 
of a higheror more acute pitch; and the admission of rays which generate cold 
involves no absurdity and creates no con-fusion of ideas." 48



The application of Pictet's experiment is immediate and obvious. The rapid 
vibrations of the particles of the ther-mometer produce rapid undulations in 
the surrounding elastic fluid. These undulations arrive, after two 
reflec-tions, at the cold body, where they act to raise its tempera-ture. 
Simultaneously, the slower vibrations of the coldbody give rise to slower 
undulations in the elastic medium which proceed, again by means of two 
reflections, to 

[Vo]:Re: Out of 1920

[Frank Znidarsic]

Here is the show.
https://www.theothersideofmidnight.com/guest/frank-znidarsic/


I am not doing shows and lectures anymore.  I sort of gave up.
Frank Z

[Vo]:Re: Out of 1920

[Frank Znidarsic]

Thank you Terry.  I was on the Dark Side of the Moon a few years ago.  The show 
went well.

An anatomy of an ancient headphone linked below.
http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/Inside.mov

Frank Z

[Vo]:Out of 1920

[Frank Znidarsic]

I found these earphones at  local flee market.  They were $20.  They were made 
by Schwarze Electric in Detroit circa 1923.  I got them working with a minor 
repairs.  I tried to attach cotton lamp cord.  This did not  work out so there 
they are with modern earphone wire.  At least with this arrangement I can 
unplug them.  These earphones are of a 3000 ohm high impedance design.  The 
voice coil goes over a fixed magnet.  The magnet operates on a thin steel 
armature with no electrical connections on it.  The sound is very tinny and 
awfull  The Radiola III actually sounds much better with modern low impedance 
earphones.  
There I am hoping to live to see the upcoming modern age of the low impedance 
high fidelity loud speaker.

When you find something like this from the incipient age of electrical 
communication and get it working, you realize how short of a time that our 
modern electrical age has existed.
Frank Znidarsic

http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/OutOf1923.jpg

[Vo]:Nasty Microsoft

[Frank Znidarsic]

I have Microsoft word 2010.  It was bought and paid for by me and it has all of 
the features that I will ever need.  When I opened it today a message from 
Microsoft appeared.  Support for this product has ended and Microsoft will 
disable many of its features on September 13.  
How can they get away with breaking someone product?

Frank

Re: [Vo]:Heat from under our feet?

[Frank Znidarsic]

Even Jane Fonda wrote a book on climate change.  I'm sure she did not mention 
the solution of lattice enabled nuclear reactions.
https://www.amazon.com/What-Can-Do-Signed-Autographed/dp/0593297679/ref=pd_lpo_14_img_0/130-9447910-1866137?_encoding=UTF8_rd_i=0593297679_rd_r=1cd094a7-5605-4b9f-b93b-1a1054fb462a_rd_w=hrLCO_rd_wg=vE99C_rd_p=7b36d496-f366-4631-94d3-61b87b52511b_rd_r=8N1EZPF28EJ4HVR1B52M=1=8N1EZPF28EJ4HVR1B52M

Re: [Vo]:Re: check out my product review

[Frank Znidarsic]

 That is a pretty good price but modules have fallen in popularity.  In fact, 
music keyboards in general have fallen off. 

Thanks Terry.  I know everything is going to a computer or phone now.  
Camcorder, GPS, cammera are now all on a phone.
Now its hit musical keyboards.  You just purchase a cheep MIDI controller and 
plug it into you computer.  Purchase some music software and off you go.  I did 
not want to do this.

I tried my hand a musical apps also.  I managed to get them published.  Sales 
are not going well and I and not modivated to compete with free apps.Even the 
COVID lockdown could not get me going on apps again.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Frank+Znidarsic+PE=en_US


Frank

[Vo]:Re: check out my product review

[Frank Znidarsic]

When I was in elementary school in the late 1950 there was this girl Elaine who 
played a Hammond organ.  It was an impressive thing with two key boards, tone 
peddles, and two sound volume peddles.  It had mechanical sound clog wheels and 
made a wising sound as it was turned on.  A friend of mine has a version of the 
Hammond called the B3.  It is a coveted musical evince.  At this time of COVID 
and nowhere to go I pulled the trigger at Amazon again and bought this B3 
emulator.  I am going to hate paying the next bill. 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KL95CZI/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s01?ie=UTF8=1


I asked my friend with the B3 to review it.  He said that its the B3 alright 
but he could tell it was artificial.  He stated that no one has successfully 
emulated the B3.  His is broke and, of course, he asked me to fix it.  I dont 
want to because I will probably break it more.
Frank

[Vo]:Re: check out my product review

[Frank Znidarsic]

A bit of history with the product review.  The Wurtlizer is the oldest device  
CIRCA 1970.  It is electromechanical and has reeds that vibrate.  Coils pick up 
the vibrations and send them to an amplifier.  I added a Stomp Box to extends 
the range of sounds.  There were also more expensive devices that used strings 
at to produce sounds  at that time.
The GEM organ is a little newer circa 1980.  It has analog operational 
amplifiers that generate the sounds.  I have the schematic and was able to the 
collect peddles to the drum section of this circuitry.
The Yamaha circa 1990 is a digital device the artificially produces sounds 
called PCM sounds.  Some are pretty good but you can tell they are artificial.
The CASIO PREMA has some sounds produced from digital snippets.  These snippets 
are recorded from the real instrument.
I got the ROLAND supernatural sound module.  It has thousands of snippet 
produced sounds.  My bad playing does not even the merit the use of such a 
device.  I can actually play the sounds from the cathedral of Notre Dame.
Frank


-Original Message-
From: Frank Znidarsic 
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2020 1:00 am
Subject: check out my product review

https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/B004APCKV8/ref=acr_dp_hist_5?ie=UTF8=five_star=all_reviews#reviews-filter-bar

[Vo]:What up with this alternate/new US money?

[Frank Znidarsic]

http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/20200831_172103.jpg

[Vo]:check out my product review

[Frank Znidarsic]

https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/B004APCKV8/ref=acr_dp_hist_5?ie=UTF8=five_star=all_reviews#reviews-filter-bar

Re: [Vo]:Covid back yard well project progress report

[Frank Znidarsic]

Here is were I got the column.  I purchase a lot from amazon.  I could never 
find this locally.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0026SVUFI/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8=1

I cut it then cemented in a 4 inch PVC coupling in it with ceramic tile mastic. 
 It is bond together OK but nothing seems to stick very well to the composite 
material.

Re: [Vo]:Covid back yard well project progress report

[Frank Znidarsic]

The finished product

http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/well.jpg
I fracked the well several times with citric acid and coke-a -cola.  It is 
working normally now and I can get 5 gallons out of it in a single pumpling 
cycle.  It is very dry here now and the water is deep 20 feet under.  It looks 
a bit like coal but is slowly clearing up.
Frank

[Vo]:maybe this is why I have not been selling many books

[Frank Znidarsic]

https://rt.simon15.ru/books/?q=RDR6NFRsaktwdmFHbkEzTFF5WDBCRU92YVFqTzZ3NlE5b210cm95M1oySUIxT1ZVbHhmVGUxRjM5ZS9ES0hQaVZUakI3MWJXWmNOTFF4VVhOcnVJMGc9PQ===1=452_source=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F_term=RDR6NFRsaktwdmFHbkEzTFF5WDBCRU92YVFqTzZ3NlE5b210cm95M1oySUIxT1ZVbHhmVGUxRjM5ZS9ES0hQaVZUakI3MWJXWmNOTFF4VVhOcnVJMGc9PQ==_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Frt.simon15.ru%2F545_campaign=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F_kwd=RDR6NFRsaktwdmFHbkEzTFF5WDBCRU92YVFqTzZ3NlE5b210cm95M1oySUIxT1ZVbHhmVGUxRjM5ZS9ES0hQaVZUakI3MWJXWmNOTFF4VVhOcnVJMGc9PQ===0

Re: [Vo]:Covid back yard well project progress report

[Frank Znidarsic]

Thanks all.  The water outflow stopped after it stopped raining.  When it 
stopped the pipe sucked for a while as it drew the water down.  Now its doing 
nothing.  I plan to put some red die in the well to see where the water is 
going while in the sucking phase.  Perhaps it is going into the old Haws 
refectories mine below.  This would be good because then mine methane could 
come up.  Free natural gas heat, I would like that.
The is has kept me home and busy during the covid lock downs otherwise I would 
have set in front ot the TV and became depressed.  Other than loosing 15 pounds 
while digging this was largely a waste of time and money.
Perhaps I should 


-Original Message-
From: Frank Znidarsic 
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Sent: Mon, Aug 3, 2020 10:35 am
Subject: Fwd: [Vo]:Covid back yard well project progress report




-Original Message-
From: Frank Znidarsic 
To: mixent...@aussiebroadband.com.au 
Sent: Mon, Aug 3, 2020 10:33 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Covid back yard well project progress report

The house has been here for 70 years no collapse yet.  I have found that the 
water only comes out when it has rained a lot.  Its like a rain spout water 
coming out while raining and dry other times.

I have not given up.  I would like to use this water to water a garden net year.


-Original Message-
From: Robin 
To: Frank Znidarsic 
Sent: Sun, Aug 2, 2020 9:04 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Covid back yard well project progress report

In reply to  Frank Znidarsic's message of Mon, 3 Aug 2020 00:52:20 + (UTC):
Hi Frank,
[snip]
>I jack hammered down 6 feed then I drove a well point the rest of the way in 
>to 21 feet or more.  At first I got this.
>http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/sucks.mp4
>
>Then a few feet deeper I got this.
>http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/blows.mp4

You sure you haven't hit a water main? 

...actually, sucking may be due to an underground stream running through a 
space that is larger than it is. As the water
runs through it acts as a sort of vacuum pump.

...too much water...that's what taps are for. :)

Fwd: [Vo]:Covid back yard well project progress report

[Frank Znidarsic]

-Original Message-
From: Frank Znidarsic 
To: mixent...@aussiebroadband.com.au 
Sent: Mon, Aug 3, 2020 10:33 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Covid back yard well project progress report

The house has been here for 70 years no collapse yet.  I have found that the 
water only comes out when it has rained a lot.  Its like a rain spout water 
coming out while raining and dry other times.

I have not given up.  I would like to use this water to water a garden net year.


-Original Message-
From: Robin 
To: Frank Znidarsic 
Sent: Sun, Aug 2, 2020 9:04 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Covid back yard well project progress report

In reply to  Frank Znidarsic's message of Mon, 3 Aug 2020 00:52:20 + (UTC):
Hi Frank,
[snip]
>I jack hammered down 6 feed then I drove a well point the rest of the way in 
>to 21 feet or more.  At first I got this.
>http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/sucks.mp4
>
>Then a few feet deeper I got this.
>http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/blows.mp4

You sure you haven't hit a water main? 

...actually, sucking may be due to an underground stream running through a 
space that is larger than it is. As the water
runs through it acts as a sort of vacuum pump.

...too much water...that's what taps are for. :)

[Vo]:Covid back yard well project progress report

[Frank Znidarsic]

I jack hammered down 6 feed then I drove a well point the rest of the way in to 
21 feet or more.  At first I got this.
http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/sucks.mp4

Then a few feet deeper I got this.
http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/blows.mp4



What next?  Maybe I should not have thrown that M-80 into it.
frank

Re: [Vo]:Book by S. Szpak

[Frank Znidarsic]

This velocity is much higher than the normal speed of sound in a material which 
is about 5000 meters /second.  I dont quite understand how Szapk got there.


-Original Message-
From: Frank Znidarsic 
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Sent: Fri, Jul 24, 2020 10:43 pm
Subject: [Vo]:Book by S. Szpak

Szpak's velocity of 

high as 1.16 × 106 m s−1 or slightly higher since the peak velocity appears to 
be still increasingat 40 picoseconds.

Is very close to my predicted velocity of 1.094 million meters/sec
Frank

[Vo]:Book by S. Szpak

[Frank Znidarsic]

Szpak's velocity of 

high as 1.16 × 106 m s−1 or slightly higher since the peak velocity appears to 
be still increasingat 40 picoseconds.

Is very close to my predicted velocity of 1.094 million meters/sec
Frank

[Vo]:what do you think of Goodenouh's self charging batterY?

[Frank Znidarsic]

https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/1.5132841

[Vo]:qr codes

[Frank Znidarsic]

My first QR code.  It was easy as pie.  COVID is making these touchless codes 
take off.
http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/qr_code.png

[Vo]:QR codes

[Frank Znidarsic]

They are the little black squares on things.  I recently went to a restaurant 
that I could view a menu by scanning a QR code.  This was new to me.  Has 
anyone put a QR code on your buniness card, or other product?  What do you 
think of them?  I installed the Red Laser app to read these codes.  Does your 
call phone read them without an app?  What do you think of Red Laser?  Should I 
be using another app for reading QR codes on android?  Sorry for all of the 
questions but I missed this one.  When I saw the QR code on a table in farm 
country I really knew I missed it.
Frank

[Vo]:Re: Jed's predictions

[Frank Znidarsic]

Here it is.
https://csnews.com/three-square-market-sets-out-create-chain-100-self-pay-convenience-stores


-Original Message-
From: Frank Znidarsic 
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2020 11:50 am
Subject: Jed's predictions

I believe that Jed missed the mark with his optimistic predictions about cold 
fusion.  Even this group does not discuss it very much and more.
Jed predictions about automation are; however, coming true.  I just went to the 
store "3 Self Pay".  There was no attendant.  You just pick up the merchandise 
and check your self out.  This is the first store of this type that I have 
seen.  I wonder about theft of product and how they hope to prevent it.

Frank

[Vo]:Jed's predictions

[Frank Znidarsic]

I believe that Jed missed the mark with his optimistic predictions about cold 
fusion.  Even this group does not discuss it very much and more.
Jed predictions about automation are; however, coming true.  I just went to the 
store "3 Self Pay".  There was no attendant.  You just pick up the merchandise 
and check your self out.  This is the first store of this type that I have 
seen.  I wonder about theft of product and how they hope to prevent it.

Frank

[Vo]:bad drug deal

[Frank Znidarsic]

Slashed tires, smashed windows, slashed seats, smashed dash, and syringes on 
the road.  This deal must have really gone bad.

http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/images/BadDrugs.jpg

[Vo]:anyone know this guy

[Frank Znidarsic]

https://www.amazon.com/Cold-Fusion-Secret-Energy-Revolution-ebook/dp/B01EK2KT7W/ref=pd_rhf_ee_p_img_1?_encoding=UTF8=1=SD3YKFP6FATDTSC7TK0S

Re: [Vo]:anyone know this guy

[Frank Znidarsic]

That is odd
Publication Date: April 19, 2016


-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton 
To: Frank Znidarsic 
Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sat, Jun 20, 2020 9:54 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:anyone know this guy

Quite eclectic.  Exited 18 yrs ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_C._Sutton  

On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 9:44 PM Frank Znidarsic  wrote:

https://www.amazon.com/Cold-Fusion-Secret-Energy-Revolution-ebook/dp/B01EK2KT7W/ref=pd_rhf_ee_p_img_1?_encoding=UTF8=1=SD3YKFP6FATDTSC7TK0S

Fwd: [Vo]:another missguided energy project

[Frank Znidarsic]

Subject: Re: [Vo]:another missguided energy project



You should not dig that deep without safety bracing, Frank.  Be careful!




I know the hole is deeper than I can to go into.  I now have a stoop 3 feet 
under were I sit and work from.  I use a hand auger and bars to go deeper.  My 
max depth should be about 9 feet with these tools.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B2N8OK/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8=1

The hand auger does not work without first breaking up the ground with a long 
digging bar.  My dirt is hard.
I can then go deeper with a sand point pound in point.  I may be able to go 25 
feet.  I hope at least to it some water for a pitcher pump.

Frank

Re: [Vo]:another missguided energy project

[Frank Znidarsic]

Thanks Jones.  So far I have hit no gas or no water.  It was fun when we were 
locked down but now were in the Green and I can do other things.

[Vo]:another missguided energy project

[Frank Znidarsic]

When I was a young kid people used to asked me where I lived.  I told them and 
a few said,  "Up there by the fan"  I thought "What fan there is no fan there."
During the lock down I began thinking about this stuff from long ago.  I 
checked the mine maps and no fan was to be found, however; the whole town was 
undermined.  The scope of this mining amazed me.  Johnstown was once a great 
industrial town.  Today it is nothing.  My place is near the blue dot I placed 
on the map.
http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/mines.png

I started digging in my yard, druing the COVIT lockdown, in the spot were the 
fan shaft would be.  The area was filled over in 1950 and the shaft cap would 
be 6 feet down.  I hit something flat 6 feet down and I know not what it is.  
Pehaps it is just a big flat rock.  I have approximately  3 sq feet of it 
uncovered now.
http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/hole.jpeg

I tried to drill through it in hopes of finding methane.  I did not suceed.  I 
will have to dig more and my 67 year old body akes.  At least I lost 10 pounds. 
 My brother in law came by and said "There is no mine shaft on your property 
idiot."  The neighbors come up snooping.  I tell them nothing as they will call 
the cops if they think I am getting free natural gas.
Taking a break but I cant stop now.
Frank

[Vo]:what ever happened with this?

[Frank Znidarsic]

Low-energy nuclear reactions. The House report encourages NSF to “evaluate the 
various theories, experiments, and scientific literature surrounding the field 
of LENR,” which is most associated with the pursuit of cold fusion. It also 
directs NSF to “provide a set of recommendations as to whether future federal 
investment into LENR research would be prudent, and if so, a plan for how that 
investment would be best utilized.”

[Vo]:Jones is correct I have been duped

[Frank Znidarsic]

I will just now go hide in a hole for a while.  I took this story hook line and 
sinker.Here is the stuff for sale.
https://matmatch.com/blog/platinum-group-metals-catalytic-converters/


Frank Z

[Vo]:Pictures of debris from the Roswell Crash Site

[Frank Znidarsic]

Thank you Jones.
The part does look like a titanium oxide catalytic converter.  I hope that I 
have not been duped.

Re: [Vo]:Pictures of debris from the Roswell Crash Site

[Frank Znidarsic]

This is not to suggest that the artifact isn't of extraterrestrial origin...




I dont know it is of extraterrestrial origin.  It was collected by an army man 
on the cleanup crew who was attached to the Johnsville Navel station.  A friend 
of mine recently inherited it.  




Frank

[Vo]:subscribe

[Frank Znidarsic]

[Vo]:Pictures of debris from the Roswell Crash Site

[Frank Znidarsic]

Subject: Pictures of debris from the Roswell Crash Site

I had a chance to get my hands on the debris.
http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/images/roswell.jpg

Frank Znidarsic

[Vo]:Pictures of debris from the Roswell Crash Site

[Frank Znidarsic]

I had a chance to get my hands on the debris.
http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/images/roswell.jpg

Frank Znidarsic

Re: [Vo]:Verification of Mizuno experiment

[Frank Grimer]

 I'm not surprised he is being successful. If I'd been him I would have let
the experiment (he describes in his book) that was running away continue
and blow up the lab.

It would have been confirmation of the P experiment where they blew
a hole in the lab bench. 

On Thu, 14 May 2020 at 23:13, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Here is a short paper describing a verification of Mizuno's experiment at
> the Hokkaido University of Science. This document includes an English
> version and the original Japanese version.
>
> https://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/IgarashiJdevelopmen.pdf
>

Re: [Vo]:Verification of Mizuno experiment

[Frank Grimer]

I'm not surprised he is being successful. If I'd been him I would have let
the experiment (he describes in his book) that was running away continue
and blow up the lab.

It would have been confirmation of the P experiment where they blew
a hole in the lab bench. 


On Thu, 14 May 2020 at 23:13, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Here is a short paper describing a verification of Mizuno's experiment at
> the Hokkaido University of Science. This document includes an English
> version and the original Japanese version.
>
> https://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/IgarashiJdevelopmen.pdf
>

Re: [Vo]:Weaponizing coronavirus

[Frank Znidarsic]

"There is no greater cause that helping each other to survive."  Governor Wolf 
Pennsylvania.  Now lets us stop it with these evil ideas and move in a more 
positive direction.  To you who started this discussion what were you thinking?
Frank Znidarsicatheist


-Original Message-----
From: Frank Znidarsic 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Fri, Apr 17, 2020 1:44 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Weaponizing coronavirus



Weaponizing corona virus.  Are you kidding me?  You are all going to be on a 
Federal watch list and no fly list!

Re: [Vo]:Weaponizing coronavirus

[Frank Znidarsic]

Weaponizing corona virus.  Are you kidding me?  You are all going to be on a 
Federal watch list and no fly list!

Re: [Vo]:Re: CONCEPTS OF TIME--

[Frank Grimer]

I like it. Makes sense to me. 

On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 at 23:27, Jürg Wyttenbach  wrote:

> Good to know some more physicists start to think about time. One of them
> cited I did know personally.
>
> The real problem is the missing education in computation theory. I did
> spend 2 net years working on the theme, which the article tries to
> illuminate. I developed a new computer architecture that can deal with such
> problems and delivers fail safe proven results on wide area parallel
> machines.
>
> A wide area parallel machine is exactly what physics is about. Each
> particle is a "program" that communicates with an other programs over a
> given finite set of messages. Physics defines these messages as equations
> what defines a set of of possible tokens = interactions - nothing else.
>
> Now if you know the basic laws of communication theory then it is obvious
> = given that there is no global time. We only do have a partial order over
> communications. We can refine the order digit by digits until we meet the
> border-line of information stability in measurement.
>
> The article is full of nonsense and classical bullshit knowledge like two
> Uranium-239 are equal but one decays earlier. SM knows nothing about
> particle structure except some basic Lego like partitions. All unstable
> nuclei contain a time like structure with a slightly different excess
> energy. Further who tells these guys all these nuclei did start at the same
> timestamp?
>
> Also neither QM nor general relativity are fundamental models. This is a
> religious claim. QM just describes a small subset of the reality and
> general relativity fails for all *space filled with matter* as it cannot
> handle matter... As all other simplistic SM models GER just works for point
> masses in empty space. Any perturbation of "space-time" by mass producing
> an other space time cannot be handled without simplistic approximations.
>
> If a point source emits two photons at an angle of 180 degrees then any
> measurement will show that the gap between the two increases with 2*c the
> speed of light. Thus we can easily measure relative speed > c. If these two
> photons enter a spherical orbit then they will return to the place of
> origin. This is the situation in SO(4) in much smaller space dimensions.
> According GER the photons should never interact again. Thus this just shows
> that the notion of an universal time in curved space is mathematical
> nonsense. Time is just the measurement interval or the frequency what ever
> you like more.
>
> Most current physicists do have the wrong education to tackle the real
> basic problems of physics. Even worse theses physicists day for day repeat
> religious claims about models that luckily for us work well under some
> restricted conditions.
>
> Current physics especially nuclear & particle physics is still on day one
> in playground of Kindergarden. These folks soon will have their mental
> corona event, when the have to notice that the perturbation of a proton at
> 10 TeV (CERN) is absolutely irrelevant for understanding today's real
> problems like aneutronic fusion in Holmlids case or LENR as we measure it -
> just to name two big ones.
>
> J.W.
>
>
> Am 10.04.20 um 22:42 schrieb bobcook39...@hotmail.com:
>
>
>
> The following link contains two or 3 differing concepts of time.
>
>
>
> *https://www.quantamagazine.org/does-time-really-flow-new-clues-come-from-a-century-old-approach-to-math-20200407/
> *
>
>
>
> The SO(4) physics model of nucleons is a model including a temporal time
> scale associated with a magnetic rotating flux at a specific frequency.
> This “temporal time” reflects space parameters and the observed phenomena
> of  EM photon propagation in space controlled by those parameters ,
> magnetic permeability and electric permittivity.
>
>
>
> A good model for space and its “intrinsic” parameters is warranted IMHO.
>
>
>
> Bob Cook
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jürg Wyttenbach
> Bifangstr.22
> 8910 Affoltern a.A.
> 044 760 14 18
> 079 246 36 06
>
>

[Vo]:Masks are now in production by women in Beaverdale

[Frank Znidarsic]

Masks now in production now locally

http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/masks.jpg
Note the pleated design that unfolds over your face.  These made with elastic. 
Future ones may be tie on.  Consists of five layers of cotton.  Cost has 
increased to $5 each.
Show around to get others in production.
Frank Znidarsic

Re: [Vo]:Masks

[Frank Znidarsic]

Not too sure about women volunteering to grow their hair long to make 
crosshairs for gunsights during WWII, though. I've never heard of that. Most 
women had to cut their hair for safety as they were working in war production 
plants. You know, the Veronica Lake problem. Human hair is too coarse for good 
crosshairs.  How do I know about this?  My father was head of the instrument 
repair division at Camp San Luis Obispo during WWII.  Among other things his 
subordinates had to tend terrariums full of black widows to harvest the web for 
crosshairs. Kind of a creepy job, no? Yeah, I know, far off-topic.
and dead wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Babnik_Brown