Re: [Vo]:Albiston 4/12/2015 Test Demonstrates Excess Power Within Core
especially not without radiation - we must look elsewhere than nuclear. If two atomic structures become entangled, they might be able to share energy between themselves without the production of a gamma ray. If one structure which has undergone a nuclear reaction such as an isotopic shift or a fusion reaction becomes entangled with a receiver, this sender of the energy might send it excess energy to the receiver of that energy. The process of entanglement between the two quantum mechanical structures may allow for an energy transfer in a higher dimension in which entanglement manifests. See http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0401153.pdf Matter and Light in Flatland I have become intrigued by the internal structure of the photon in higher dimensions. This reference enplanes how electrons an photons must be higher dimensional waveform because they can interfere with themselves in a double stile experiment. A gamma ray can become entangled in a higher dimension with another waveform at a higher dimension and pass energy to the other waveform through an entangled path without our 4 dimensional world knowing it. On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com In reply to David Roberson's message At this point we need to have a long term experiment that exhibits the same type of correlations before we can be certain that the process is nuclear instead of some unknown chemical effect. You can be confident that the behavior is nuclear if indications of this type persist for a month. Perhaps someone would like to calculate how long a chemical cause could exist that leads to this same observation set to establish a lower limit upon the time required to prove LENR beyond any doubt. If you look at the Lugano experiment, and assume that all the energy came from H, then given the small amount that was present, each atom would have to have delivered near 9 MeV of energy. This is out of reach of any Hydrino reaction, so the process must have been nuclear, to a very large degree. This conclusion is not logical either, Robin. Since there is also no known nuclear reaction involving hydrogen which can provide the amount of energy claimed by Levi, especially not without radiation - we must look elsewhere than nuclear. Either there is another source of energy... or else we cannot trust what has been claimed. Clearly the Levi report was flawed, and much less energy was involved than what is stated in the report. Nevertheless, Watson ... another source of energy is possible - in the zero point field. As Sherlock sez: Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth. If Levi is correct on the 1.5 MW-hrs, then ZPE extraction - which may be improbable, is not impossible and would be a strong candidate for truth (by the process of elimination) ... ... and BTW - this can bring us back to the Hydrino reaction. It is as simple as this: Premise: there is a previously undescribed mechanism will convert DDL all the way back to hydrogen, at the expense of ZPE. Thus the hydrogen that was converted to maximum redundancy is expanded back, sequentially with zero point energy from outside our 3-space. This must happen dozens of times for the numbers to add up ... but, according to the experts on zero point, there is massive energy available from this avenue.
Re: [Vo]:Albiston 4/12/2015 Test Demonstrates Excess Power Within Core
More,,, Here is a theory that explains the teleportation of energy via entanglement. http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2014/jan/27/energy-can-be-teleported-over-long-distances-say-physicists Energy can be teleported over long distances, say physicists On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 1:59 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: especially not without radiation - we must look elsewhere than nuclear. If two atomic structures become entangled, they might be able to share energy between themselves without the production of a gamma ray. If one structure which has undergone a nuclear reaction such as an isotopic shift or a fusion reaction becomes entangled with a receiver, this sender of the energy might send it excess energy to the receiver of that energy. The process of entanglement between the two quantum mechanical structures may allow for an energy transfer in a higher dimension in which entanglement manifests. See http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0401153.pdf Matter and Light in Flatland I have become intrigued by the internal structure of the photon in higher dimensions. This reference enplanes how electrons an photons must be higher dimensional waveform because they can interfere with themselves in a double stile experiment. A gamma ray can become entangled in a higher dimension with another waveform at a higher dimension and pass energy to the other waveform through an entangled path without our 4 dimensional world knowing it. On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com In reply to David Roberson's message At this point we need to have a long term experiment that exhibits the same type of correlations before we can be certain that the process is nuclear instead of some unknown chemical effect. You can be confident that the behavior is nuclear if indications of this type persist for a month. Perhaps someone would like to calculate how long a chemical cause could exist that leads to this same observation set to establish a lower limit upon the time required to prove LENR beyond any doubt. If you look at the Lugano experiment, and assume that all the energy came from H, then given the small amount that was present, each atom would have to have delivered near 9 MeV of energy. This is out of reach of any Hydrino reaction, so the process must have been nuclear, to a very large degree. This conclusion is not logical either, Robin. Since there is also no known nuclear reaction involving hydrogen which can provide the amount of energy claimed by Levi, especially not without radiation - we must look elsewhere than nuclear. Either there is another source of energy... or else we cannot trust what has been claimed. Clearly the Levi report was flawed, and much less energy was involved than what is stated in the report. Nevertheless, Watson ... another source of energy is possible - in the zero point field. As Sherlock sez: Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth. If Levi is correct on the 1.5 MW-hrs, then ZPE extraction - which may be improbable, is not impossible and would be a strong candidate for truth (by the process of elimination) ... ... and BTW - this can bring us back to the Hydrino reaction. It is as simple as this: Premise: there is a previously undescribed mechanism will convert DDL all the way back to hydrogen, at the expense of ZPE. Thus the hydrogen that was converted to maximum redundancy is expanded back, sequentially with zero point energy from outside our 3-space. This must happen dozens of times for the numbers to add up ... but, according to the experts on zero point, there is massive energy available from this avenue.
Re: [Vo]:Albiston 4/12/2015 Test Demonstrates Excess Power Within Core
An experiment that shows that entanglement of many photons over large distances can happen http://planetsave.com/2014/03/28/quantum-entanglement-experiment-proves-non-locality-for-first-time-will-permit-multi-party-quantum-communication/ On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 2:20 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: More... First, they teleported photons, then atoms and ions. Now one physicist has worked out how to do it with energy, a technique that has profound implications for the future of physics. In 1993, Charlie Bennett at IBM’s Watson Research Center in New York State and a few pals showed how to transmit quantum information from one point in space to another without traversing the intervening space. The technique relies on the strange quantum phenomenon called entanglement, in which two particles share the same existence. This deep connection means that a measurement on one particle immediately influences the other, even though they are light-years apart. Bennett and company worked out how to exploit this to send information. (The influence between the particles may be immediate, but the process does not violate relativity because some informatiom has to be sent classically at the speed of light.) They called the technique teleportation. That’s not really an overstatement of its potential. Since quantum particles are indistinguishable but for the information they carry, there is no need to transmit them themselves. A much simpler idea is to send the information they contain instead and ensure that there is a ready supply of particles at the other end to take on their identity. Since then, physicists have used these ideas to actually teleport photons, atoms, and ions. And it’s not too hard to imagine that molecules and perhaps even viruses could be teleported in the not-too-distant future. But Masahiro Hotta at Tohoku University in Japan has come up with a much more exotic idea. Why not use the same quantum principles to teleport energy? Today, building on a number of papers published in the last year, Hotta outlines his idea and its implications. The process of teleportation involves making a measurement on each one an entangled pair of particles. He points out that the measurement on the first particle injects quantum energy into the system. He then shows that by carefully choosing the measurement to do on the second particle, it is possible to extract the original energy. All this is possible because there are always quantum fluctuations in the energy of any particle. The teleportation process allows you to inject quantum energy at one point in the universe and then exploit quantum energy fluctuations to extract it from another point. Of course, the energy of the system as whole is unchanged. He gives the example of a string of entangled ions oscillating back and forth in an electric field trap, a bit like Newton’s balls. Measuring the state of the first ion injects energy into the system in the form of a phonon, a quantum of oscillation. Hotta says that performing the right kind of measurement on the last ion extracts this energy. Since this can be done at the speed of light (in principle), the phonon doesn’t travel across the intermediate ions so there is no heating of these ions. The energy has been transmitted without traveling across the intervening space. That’s teleportation. Just how we might exploit the ability to teleport energy isn’t clear yet. Post your suggestions in the comments section if you have any. But the really exciting stuff is the implications this has for the foundations of physics. Hotta says that his approach gives physicists a way of exploring the relationship between quantum information and quantum energy for the first time. There is a growing sense that the properties of the universe are best described not by the laws that govern matter but by the laws that govern information. This appears to be true for the quantum world, is certainly true for special relativity, and is currently being explored for general relativity. Having a way to handle energy on the same footing may help to draw these diverse strands together. On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 2:07 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: More,,, Here is a theory that explains the teleportation of energy via entanglement. http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2014/jan/27/energy-can-be-teleported-over-long-distances-say-physicists Energy can be teleported over long distances, say physicists On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 1:59 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: especially not without radiation - we must look elsewhere than nuclear. If two atomic structures become entangled, they might be able to share energy between themselves without the production of a gamma ray. If one structure which has undergone a nuclear reaction such as an isotopic shift or a fusion reaction becomes entangled with a receiver, this sender of the energy might
Re: [Vo]:Albiston 4/12/2015 Test Demonstrates Excess Power Within Core
Because of the uncertainty principle, a very powerful energy pathway like an anapole magnetic beam, the vacuum is squeezed. Energy at one point in the vacuum can be sent to anther point in the vacuum by teleportation. Because the energy density of the vacuum is so great, In an energy saturated vacuum. position does not matter anymore because the vacuum is saturated. To particles that are separated by a fair distance are superimposed on each other energetically because of the high energy density of space between the two particles. On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 2:30 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: An experiment that shows that entanglement of many photons over large distances can happen http://planetsave.com/2014/03/28/quantum-entanglement-experiment-proves-non-locality-for-first-time-will-permit-multi-party-quantum-communication/ On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 2:20 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: More... First, they teleported photons, then atoms and ions. Now one physicist has worked out how to do it with energy, a technique that has profound implications for the future of physics. In 1993, Charlie Bennett at IBM’s Watson Research Center in New York State and a few pals showed how to transmit quantum information from one point in space to another without traversing the intervening space. The technique relies on the strange quantum phenomenon called entanglement, in which two particles share the same existence. This deep connection means that a measurement on one particle immediately influences the other, even though they are light-years apart. Bennett and company worked out how to exploit this to send information. (The influence between the particles may be immediate, but the process does not violate relativity because some informatiom has to be sent classically at the speed of light.) They called the technique teleportation. That’s not really an overstatement of its potential. Since quantum particles are indistinguishable but for the information they carry, there is no need to transmit them themselves. A much simpler idea is to send the information they contain instead and ensure that there is a ready supply of particles at the other end to take on their identity. Since then, physicists have used these ideas to actually teleport photons, atoms, and ions. And it’s not too hard to imagine that molecules and perhaps even viruses could be teleported in the not-too-distant future. But Masahiro Hotta at Tohoku University in Japan has come up with a much more exotic idea. Why not use the same quantum principles to teleport energy? Today, building on a number of papers published in the last year, Hotta outlines his idea and its implications. The process of teleportation involves making a measurement on each one an entangled pair of particles. He points out that the measurement on the first particle injects quantum energy into the system. He then shows that by carefully choosing the measurement to do on the second particle, it is possible to extract the original energy. All this is possible because there are always quantum fluctuations in the energy of any particle. The teleportation process allows you to inject quantum energy at one point in the universe and then exploit quantum energy fluctuations to extract it from another point. Of course, the energy of the system as whole is unchanged. He gives the example of a string of entangled ions oscillating back and forth in an electric field trap, a bit like Newton’s balls. Measuring the state of the first ion injects energy into the system in the form of a phonon, a quantum of oscillation. Hotta says that performing the right kind of measurement on the last ion extracts this energy. Since this can be done at the speed of light (in principle), the phonon doesn’t travel across the intermediate ions so there is no heating of these ions. The energy has been transmitted without traveling across the intervening space. That’s teleportation. Just how we might exploit the ability to teleport energy isn’t clear yet. Post your suggestions in the comments section if you have any. But the really exciting stuff is the implications this has for the foundations of physics. Hotta says that his approach gives physicists a way of exploring the relationship between quantum information and quantum energy for the first time. There is a growing sense that the properties of the universe are best described not by the laws that govern matter but by the laws that govern information. This appears to be true for the quantum world, is certainly true for special relativity, and is currently being explored for general relativity. Having a way to handle energy on the same footing may help to draw these diverse strands together. On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 2:07 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: More,,, Here is a theory that explains the teleportation of energy via entanglement.
Re: [Vo]:Albiston 4/12/2015 Test Demonstrates Excess Power Within Core
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 13 Apr 2015 20:44:02 -0700: Hi, [snip] -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com In reply to David Roberson's message At this point we need to have a long term experiment that exhibits the same type of correlations before we can be certain that the process is nuclear instead of some unknown chemical effect. You can be confident that the behavior is nuclear if indications of this type persist for a month. Perhaps someone would like to calculate how long a chemical cause could exist that leads to this same observation set to establish a lower limit upon the time required to prove LENR beyond any doubt. If you look at the Lugano experiment, and assume that all the energy came from H, then given the small amount that was present, each atom would have to have delivered near 9 MeV of energy. This is out of reach of any Hydrino reaction, so the process must have been nuclear, to a very large degree. This conclusion is not logical either, Robin. Since there is also no known nuclear reaction involving hydrogen which can provide the amount of energy claimed by Levi, especially not without radiation - we must look elsewhere than nuclear. Note that I specifically said that it was about 9 MeV if all the energy came from Hydrogen. I doubt it did. I was simply trying to point out that pure Hydrino shrinkage could not account for all the energy. Not by a long shot in fact. There may be no *known* nuclear reaction, but that doesn't necessarily mean that there isn't one (or more). Furthermore, the total energy produced does appear to be in the nuclear ballpark, which IMO makes it likely that a nuclear reaction, of some sort, is the source, and I think neutron transfer from Li7 is as good a candidate as any, though that would mean that the total energy output was somewhat less than the reported value, yet still in the ballpark. Either there is another source of energy... or else we cannot trust what has been claimed. Clearly the Levi report was flawed, and much less energy was involved than what is stated in the report. It would have to be about 20 times less for Hydrinos to even be in the running, and I think an error that large is unlikely. Nevertheless, Watson ... another source of energy is possible - in the zero point field. As Sherlock sez: Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth. If Levi is correct on the 1.5 MW-hrs, then ZPE extraction - which may be improbable, is not impossible and would be a strong candidate for truth (by the process of elimination) ... ... and BTW - this can bring us back to the Hydrino reaction. It is as simple as this: Premise: there is a previously undescribed mechanism will convert DDL all the way back to hydrogen, at the expense of ZPE. Thus the hydrogen that was converted to maximum redundancy is expanded back, sequentially with zero point energy from outside our 3-space. This must happen dozens of times for the numbers to add up ... but, according to the experts on zero point, there is massive energy available from this avenue. I don't think this can be ruled out, but I also don't think it's the most likely explanation. However it would be interesting. :) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Albiston 4/12/2015 Test Demonstrates Excess Power Within Core
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Tue, 14 Apr 2015 01:59:22 -0400: Hi, [snip] especially not without radiation - we must look elsewherethan nuclear. If two atomic structures become entangled, they might be able to share energy between themselves without the production of a gamma ray. If one structure which has undergone a nuclear reaction such as an isotopic shift or a fusion reaction becomes entangled with a receiver, this sender of the energy might send it excess energy to the receiver of that energy. The process of entanglement between the two quantum mechanical structures may allow for an energy transfer in a higher dimension in which entanglement manifests. No need for such complexity. Consider the following little thought experiment, or you can even do this one in reality, it's pretty harmless. Bang a nail into a wooden plank (not too far). Get a pair of pliers, and sit on the floor. Bend your knees, and press against the plank with your feet while pulling on the nail with the pliers. If you pull hard enough, the nail will come out, and the plank will go shooting across the floor, pushed by the stress built up in your leg muscles. Neutron transfer from Li7 to a Ni nucleus is analogous. The neutron is the nail, the Lithium is the plank, and you are the Nickel :). As the nuclear force from the Ni pulls the neutron out of the Lithium, it also pulls the Li closer, storing energy in the electric repulsion between the Li and Ni nuclei. Once the neutron finally makes the crossing, the energy stored in the electric field causes the nuclei to fly apart, converting the stored energy into kinetic energy. Both Li and Ni are heavier than alpha particles, so they are slower moving, and will have an even shorter range in a liquid or solid than an alpha particle would have. This is a simple description of the means by which the reaction energy is shared. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Albiston 4/12/2015 Test Demonstrates Excess Power Within Core
More... First, they teleported photons, then atoms and ions. Now one physicist has worked out how to do it with energy, a technique that has profound implications for the future of physics. In 1993, Charlie Bennett at IBM’s Watson Research Center in New York State and a few pals showed how to transmit quantum information from one point in space to another without traversing the intervening space. The technique relies on the strange quantum phenomenon called entanglement, in which two particles share the same existence. This deep connection means that a measurement on one particle immediately influences the other, even though they are light-years apart. Bennett and company worked out how to exploit this to send information. (The influence between the particles may be immediate, but the process does not violate relativity because some informatiom has to be sent classically at the speed of light.) They called the technique teleportation. That’s not really an overstatement of its potential. Since quantum particles are indistinguishable but for the information they carry, there is no need to transmit them themselves. A much simpler idea is to send the information they contain instead and ensure that there is a ready supply of particles at the other end to take on their identity. Since then, physicists have used these ideas to actually teleport photons, atoms, and ions. And it’s not too hard to imagine that molecules and perhaps even viruses could be teleported in the not-too-distant future. But Masahiro Hotta at Tohoku University in Japan has come up with a much more exotic idea. Why not use the same quantum principles to teleport energy? Today, building on a number of papers published in the last year, Hotta outlines his idea and its implications. The process of teleportation involves making a measurement on each one an entangled pair of particles. He points out that the measurement on the first particle injects quantum energy into the system. He then shows that by carefully choosing the measurement to do on the second particle, it is possible to extract the original energy. All this is possible because there are always quantum fluctuations in the energy of any particle. The teleportation process allows you to inject quantum energy at one point in the universe and then exploit quantum energy fluctuations to extract it from another point. Of course, the energy of the system as whole is unchanged. He gives the example of a string of entangled ions oscillating back and forth in an electric field trap, a bit like Newton’s balls. Measuring the state of the first ion injects energy into the system in the form of a phonon, a quantum of oscillation. Hotta says that performing the right kind of measurement on the last ion extracts this energy. Since this can be done at the speed of light (in principle), the phonon doesn’t travel across the intermediate ions so there is no heating of these ions. The energy has been transmitted without traveling across the intervening space. That’s teleportation. Just how we might exploit the ability to teleport energy isn’t clear yet. Post your suggestions in the comments section if you have any. But the really exciting stuff is the implications this has for the foundations of physics. Hotta says that his approach gives physicists a way of exploring the relationship between quantum information and quantum energy for the first time. There is a growing sense that the properties of the universe are best described not by the laws that govern matter but by the laws that govern information. This appears to be true for the quantum world, is certainly true for special relativity, and is currently being explored for general relativity. Having a way to handle energy on the same footing may help to draw these diverse strands together. On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 2:07 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: More,,, Here is a theory that explains the teleportation of energy via entanglement. http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2014/jan/27/energy-can-be-teleported-over-long-distances-say-physicists Energy can be teleported over long distances, say physicists On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 1:59 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: especially not without radiation - we must look elsewhere than nuclear. If two atomic structures become entangled, they might be able to share energy between themselves without the production of a gamma ray. If one structure which has undergone a nuclear reaction such as an isotopic shift or a fusion reaction becomes entangled with a receiver, this sender of the energy might send it excess energy to the receiver of that energy. The process of entanglement between the two quantum mechanical structures may allow for an energy transfer in a higher dimension in which entanglement manifests. See http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0401153.pdf Matter and Light in Flatland I have become intrigued by the internal structure of the photon in
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Albiston 4/12/2015 Test Demonstrates Excess Power Within Core
Axil, IMHO you could tie this together with anomalous radioactive decays and the Shawyer drive.. it would make sense that many of these anomalous claims share the same underlying explanation .. I think vacuum density is the variable and perhaps degrees of saturation is the tapestry. Fran From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 11:03 AM To: vortex-l Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Albiston 4/12/2015 Test Demonstrates Excess Power Within Core The uncertainty principle has a feature called a squeezThe uncertainty principle has a feature called a squeezed vacuum. When the energy density between two or more particles is saturated, a condition called a Squeezed coherent state exists. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squeezed_coherent_state When the vacuum that encloses two or more particles becomes saturated, These particles share their waveforms through the 5th dimension with out the 4 dimensional world knowing anything about it so that the particles become entangled and equal in energy Saying this in another way, if two or more particles are enclosed in a strong enough magnetic field, they will share energy and become entangled because the vacuum is saturated with energy. These multiple particles become essentially one particle while the vacuum is saturated. The energetic vacuum suppresses quantum fluctuations and decoherence is disabled. The system becomes entangled with total energy sharing see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zD1U1sIPQ4 In more detail, Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, is any of a variety of mathematical inequalities asserting a fundamental limit to the precision with which certain pairs of physical properties of a particle known as complementary variables, such as position x and momentum p, can be known simultaneously. When the energy of the vacuum is high enough, the position of the multiple particles become irrelevant in that space, and the particles become the same particle. This is when this set of particles share energy.
Re: [Vo]:Albiston 4/12/2015 Test Demonstrates Excess Power Within Core
The uncertainty principle has a feature called a squeezThe uncertainty principle has a feature called a squeezed vacuum. When the energy density between two or more particles is saturated, a condition called a Squeezed coherent state exists. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squeezed_coherent_state When the vacuum that encloses two or more particles becomes saturated, These particles share their waveforms through the 5th dimension with out the 4 dimensional world knowing anything about it so that the particles become entangled and equal in energy Saying this in another way, if two or more particles are enclosed in a strong enough magnetic field, they will share energy and become entangled because the vacuum is saturated with energy. These multiple particles become essentially one particle while the vacuum is saturated. The energetic vacuum suppresses quantum fluctuations and decoherence is disabled. The system becomes entangled with total energy sharing see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zD1U1sIPQ4 In more detail, Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, is any of a variety of mathematical inequalities asserting a fundamental limit to the precision with which certain pairs of physical properties of a particle known as complementary variables, such as position x and momentum p, can be known simultaneously. When the energy of the vacuum is high enough, the position of the multiple particles become irrelevant in that space, and the particles become the same particle. This is when this set of particles share energy.
Re: [Vo]:Albiston 4/12/2015 Test Demonstrates Excess Power Within Core
In reply to David Roberson's message of Mon, 13 Apr 2015 21:21:50 -0400: Hi, [snip] At this point we need to have a long term experiment that exhibits the same type of correlations before we can be certain that the process is nuclear instead of some unknown chemical effect. You can be confident that the behavior is nuclear if indications of this type persist for a month. Perhaps someone would like to calculate how long a chemical cause could exist that leads to this same observation set to establish a lower limit upon the time required to prove LENR beyond any doubt. If you look at the Lugano experiment, and assume that all the energy came from H, then given the small amount that was present, each atom would have to have delivered near 9 MeV of energy. This is out of reach of any Hydrino reaction, so the process must have been nuclear, to a very large degree. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
RE: [Vo]:Albiston 4/12/2015 Test Demonstrates Excess Power Within Core
-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com In reply to David Roberson's message At this point we need to have a long term experiment that exhibits the same type of correlations before we can be certain that the process is nuclear instead of some unknown chemical effect. You can be confident that the behavior is nuclear if indications of this type persist for a month. Perhaps someone would like to calculate how long a chemical cause could exist that leads to this same observation set to establish a lower limit upon the time required to prove LENR beyond any doubt. If you look at the Lugano experiment, and assume that all the energy came from H, then given the small amount that was present, each atom would have to have delivered near 9 MeV of energy. This is out of reach of any Hydrino reaction, so the process must have been nuclear, to a very large degree. This conclusion is not logical either, Robin. Since there is also no known nuclear reaction involving hydrogen which can provide the amount of energy claimed by Levi, especially not without radiation - we must look elsewhere than nuclear. Either there is another source of energy... or else we cannot trust what has been claimed. Clearly the Levi report was flawed, and much less energy was involved than what is stated in the report. Nevertheless, Watson ... another source of energy is possible - in the zero point field. As Sherlock sez: Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth. If Levi is correct on the 1.5 MW-hrs, then ZPE extraction - which may be improbable, is not impossible and would be a strong candidate for truth (by the process of elimination) ... ... and BTW - this can bring us back to the Hydrino reaction. It is as simple as this: Premise: there is a previously undescribed mechanism will convert DDL all the way back to hydrogen, at the expense of ZPE. Thus the hydrogen that was converted to maximum redundancy is expanded back, sequentially with zero point energy from outside our 3-space. This must happen dozens of times for the numbers to add up ... but, according to the experts on zero point, there is massive energy available from this avenue.
