[voyager] Re: What?
Hello Matt On 26.11.03, you wrote: --- snip --- I have replied personally to keep this off the list. Why? I find that your reply could be very interesting and informative. Because it usually spirals out of control with people whining that we neglect them and our opinions suck etc. I'll forward the reply to you. I would be interrested in your reply too. Regards Ulrich
[voyager] Re: What?
Hello Voyager Group, I'm following the current discussion with great interest. FYI: I'm working as webmaster for SONY. One of my targets is to improve the browser compatibility of Sonys websites. Because of this I tested many (over 20) different webbrowsers. On my personal opinion the Amiga/MorphOS browsers are still very good ! I would like to give some comments to the Amiga browsers: - All Amiga browsers lack css. Because of this and some JS issues Sony websites won't work. It would be nice to have css available for Amiga sometimes in the future. But that Sony sites are broken is our fault. (I personally, think that its the reponsability of the webmaster to create pages which are useable without CSS as well.) - Ibrowse I noticed some problems with transparent background images. - Aweb seems to be dead. I reported some bugs and never got an answer. - Voyager looks very good. I just wish that Voyagers Javascript would allow to write into options. It would be good if somthing like this would be working: document.form1.select1.options[document.form1.select1.length] = new Option(text,value,false,false) Its sad that the developement of the Amiga browsers seems to be slowed down. I saw no updates of Ibrowse and Voyager for a long time. I very much hope the developers didn't give up. I think that the Pegasos is very promising. It would be great to see some good native browsers for this platfrom. I hope that the developement of Voyager will be continued ! just my 2 cents :) Kind regards Gunnar Webmaster/Sysadmin SONY International
[voyager] Re: What?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Franco Coccini Sent: 27 November 2003 09:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [voyager] Re: What? Ciao Matt Sealey, On 26-Nov-2003, you wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Uffe Holst Sent: 26 November 2003 20:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [voyager] Re: What? In a message of 26-Nov-03 Matt Sealey wrote: Your original post suggests that the problem is the slow speed of the CPU. This certainly makes Flash almost useless on a real Amiga. It is not a problem on Amithlon. I have replied personally to keep this off the list. Why? I find that your reply could be very interesting and informative. Because it usually spirals out of control with people whining that we neglect them and our opinions suck etc. I'll forward the reply to you. this is exactly the usual habit of Genesi . . . . .but please . . stop to play to the little Secret Agent. See what I mean? I don't talk as a Genesi employee here. I do not represent Genesi in ANY communication outside of the company. Here, I am a Vapor guy, and I work on Voyager, and I know it's direction. There are no secrets, but I am sick of arguing with people like you. -- Matt Sealey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[voyager] Re: What?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Boehn, Gunnar von Sent: 27 November 2003 09:59 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [voyager] Re: What? I would like to give some comments to the Amiga browsers: - All Amiga browsers lack css. Because of this and some JS issues Sony websites won't work. It would be nice to have css available for Amiga sometimes in the future. But that Sony sites are broken is our fault. (I personally, think that its the reponsability of the webmaster to create pages which are useable without CSS as well.) Voyager has some support for CSS (a working parser) but it currently is not hooked in. Before it goes in, it would be wise to complete HTML support (there are one or two things) and fix the remaining deficiencies in Javascript, otherwise CSS will just compound and complicate things. I just wish that Voyagers Javascript would allow to write into options. It would be good if somthing like this would be working: document.form1.select1.options[document.form1.select1.length] = new Option(text,value,false,false) Agreed, and we know about it, and it is being worked on. We have a comprehensive test suite for form objects. seems to be slowed down. I saw no updates of Ibrowse and Voyager for a long time. I very much hope the developers didn't give up. We didn't give up. Neither did the IBrowse guys. We just have long development cycles - IBrowse guys concentrate on their stuff in their own way, and we are currently doing all of our development using Pegasos machines (either because of unavailabilty of Amigas or simple convenience of speed). I think that the Pegasos is very promising. It would be great to see some good native browsers for this platfrom. I hope that the developement of Voyager will be continued ! It will, Voyager has a long way to go before death.. it's been in development since the mid-1990's, the oldest Amiga web browser still in active development. I think it will stay that way for a long time. -- Matt Sealey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[voyager] Re: What?
On 27/11/03, Matt Sealey wrote: this is exactly the usual habit of Genesi . . . . .but please . . stop to play to the little Secret Agent. See what I mean? I don't talk as a Genesi employee here. I do not represent Genesi in ANY communication outside of the company. Here, I am a Vapor guy, and I work on Voyager, and I know it's direction. There are no secrets, but I am sick of arguing with people like you. Matt mailed me with some perfectly reasonable points about OSes, and I replied saying OK. Nothing obscure or secretive was involved. If he wants to post the exchange here he can. Regards -- Don Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[voyager] Re: What?
Gunnar Wrote: Its sad that the developement of the Amiga browsers seems to be slowed down. I saw no updates of Ibrowse and Voyager for a long time. I think it's kind of a snowball effect. The last few years saw the slowing of the ball, so it may take a bit to build up the momentum again. It is, as I see it, the unfortunate truth. On the plus side, I work with the vapor guys at the other company, and I know their hearts are still with Voyager. They work on it every chance they can steal away for it. Gunnar Webmaster/Sysadmin SONY International Oh yeah! Working for Sony must be a blast! Do you get some pre-release goodies there?! Hrm? -- -- Regards, Dave 'Targhan' Crawford
[voyager] Re: What?
OH!GD!I Would Love To Use It For Banking. Banking is the only thing V consistently fails me on. APH. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Boehn, Gunnar von Sent: 27 November 2003 09:59 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [voyager] Re: What? I would like to give some comments to the Amiga browsers: - All Amiga browsers lack css. Because of this and some JS issues Sony websites won't work. It would be nice to have css available for Amiga sometimes in the future. But that Sony sites are broken is our fault. (I personally, think that its the reponsability of the webmaster to create pages which are useable without CSS as well.) Voyager has some support for CSS (a working parser) but it currently is not hooked in. Before it goes in, it would be wise to complete HTML support (there are one or two things) and fix the remaining deficiencies in Javascript, otherwise CSS will just compound and complicate things. I just wish that Voyagers Javascript would allow to write into options. It would be good if somthing like this would be working: document.form1.select1.options[document.form1.select1.length] = new Option(text,value,false,false) Agreed, and we know about it, and it is being worked on. We have a comprehensive test suite for form objects. seems to be slowed down. I saw no updates of Ibrowse and Voyager for a long time. I very much hope the developers didn't give up. We didn't give up. Neither did the IBrowse guys. We just have long development cycles - IBrowse guys concentrate on their stuff in their own way, and we are currently doing all of our development using Pegasos machines (either because of unavailabilty of Amigas or simple convenience of speed). I think that the Pegasos is very promising. It would be great to see some good native browsers for this platfrom. I hope that the developement of Voyager will be continued ! It will, Voyager has a long way to go before death.. it's been in development since the mid-1990's, the oldest Amiga web browser still in active development. I think it will stay that way for a long time. -- Matt Sealey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[voyager] Re: What?
On 20/11/03, Matt Sealey wrote: Unfortunately for 68k users, until a 600MHz 68080 appears, some of the functionality of modern browsers is going to be far beyond your reach anyway, the same way that Aweb has split now into APL and KHTML versions to accomodate both, Voyager may do the same. Anyone using Amithlon has in effect a 600MHz (or faster) 68040. This particularly benefits the Flash plugin. No need for special editions for 68k users, IMO. Regards -- Don Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[voyager] Re: What?
On 20/11/03, Julian Aronowitz wrote: What we do expect from the developers of such things as Voyager and AWeb is to correct some of the inabilities or finish some of the upgrades to allow those programs to continue to be able to access sites. We do not expect to be able to swallow huge graphics in one bite or a lot of other things. We also expect to be clearly told when a particular operation cannot be done because of a situation -- whether speed or RAM or some other aspect. For example, there are more than one JAVA compilers for the Amiga. Why is there no statement whether they can work as an external plugin? AFAIK none of the Java ports for the Amiga handles graphics, so they are no use for web functions such as displaying VRML. Regards -- Don Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[voyager] Re: What?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Don Cox Sent: 26 November 2003 14:34 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [voyager] Re: What? On 20/11/03, Matt Sealey wrote: Unfortunately for 68k users, until a 600MHz 68080 appears, some of the functionality of modern browsers is going to be far beyond your reach anyway, the same way that Aweb has split now into APL and KHTML versions to accomodate both, Voyager may do the same. Anyone using Amithlon has in effect a 600MHz (or faster) 68040. This particularly benefits the Flash plugin. No need for special editions for 68k users, IMO. I think you misunderstood. Voyager is going to use whatever OS functionality is available to do certain tasks. AmigaOS 3.x (and therefore Amithlon) has not and will never get such functionality. AmigaOS 4.x might, I know for a fact MorphOS has certain things in development as we speak. Amithlon.. well, it's a dead platform for all intents and purposes. Note, Voyager will *NEVER* include such functionality to try and work on slower machines with incapable Operating Systems, firstly because it will make Voyager about 10MB in size, and secondly because you'd find it unusable even if you had any memory left. -- Matt Sealey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[voyager] Re: What?
On 26/11/03, Matt Sealey wrote: Unfortunately for 68k users, until a 600MHz 68080 appears, some of the functionality of modern browsers is going to be far beyond your reach anyway, the same way that Aweb has split now into APL and KHTML versions to accomodate both, Voyager may do the same. Anyone using Amithlon has in effect a 600MHz (or faster) 68040. This particularly benefits the Flash plugin. No need for special editions for 68k users, IMO. I think you misunderstood. Your original post suggests that the problem is the slow speed of the CPU. This certainly makes Flash almost useless on a real Amiga. It is not a problem on Amithlon. Voyager is going to use whatever OS functionality is available to do certain tasks. AmigaOS 3.x (and therefore Amithlon) has not and will never get such functionality. What functions do you have in mind? AmigaOS 4.x might, I know for a fact MorphOS has certain things in development as we speak. Amithlon.. well, it's a dead platform for all intents and purposes. There are probably more Amithlon users than MorphOS users. Note, Voyager will *NEVER* include such functionality to try and work on slower machines with incapable Operating Systems, firstly because it will make Voyager about 10MB in size, and secondly because you'd find it unusable even if you had any memory left. Memory is not a problem on Amithlon. Why are you talking about slower machines again? An Amithlon setup can be a great deal faster than an AmigaOne or a Pegasos. Obviously if the authors want to make Voyager MorphOS-only they are free to do so. That is what I am expecting. Regards -- Don Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[voyager] Re: What?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Don Cox Sent: 26 November 2003 16:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [voyager] Re: What? I think you misunderstood. Your original post suggests that the problem is the slow speed of the CPU. This certainly makes Flash almost useless on a real Amiga. It is not a problem on Amithlon. I have replied personally to keep this off the list. -- Matt Sealey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[voyager] Re: What?
In a message of 26-Nov-03 Matt Sealey wrote: Your original post suggests that the problem is the slow speed of the CPU. This certainly makes Flash almost useless on a real Amiga. It is not a problem on Amithlon. I have replied personally to keep this off the list. Why? I find that your reply could be very interesting and informative. -- Uffe Holst
[voyager] Re: What?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Uffe Holst Sent: 26 November 2003 20:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [voyager] Re: What? In a message of 26-Nov-03 Matt Sealey wrote: Your original post suggests that the problem is the slow speed of the CPU. This certainly makes Flash almost useless on a real Amiga. It is not a problem on Amithlon. I have replied personally to keep this off the list. Why? I find that your reply could be very interesting and informative. Because it usually spirals out of control with people whining that we neglect them and our opinions suck etc. I'll forward the reply to you. -- Matt Sealey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[voyager] Re: What?
Hello Targhan On 24/11/2003, you wrote: Go here: http://www.vapor.com/cgi-bin/lsg2.cgi You should be able to manage your subscription from there How do I unscribe from this list as I have to move and will be off the net for a month.Thanks! Why bother ? Are you worried about an overflowing mailbox ? Regards Brian
[voyager] Re: What?
Hi Dave, wish to check out what transpired during the time he or she was away. Would not that person have to sub- scribe again if he or she had unsubscribed? Are there other choices? You know, I'm pretty sure Listar has some kind of Vacation command. If I remember right, you can send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word HELP in the subject (maybe the body too) for a list of commands. Sorry that I forgot about that earlier. Anyway, I'm pretty sure there is a VACATION command that can be used to not receive any mails for a given amount of time. Anyway, I hope that helps :)) -- -- Regards, Dave 'Targhan' Crawford
[voyager] Re: What?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Targhan Sent: 25 November 2003 15:16 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [voyager] Re: What? Hi Dave, wish to check out what transpired during the time he or she was away. Would not that person have to sub- scribe again if he or she had unsubscribed? Are there other choices? You know, I'm pretty sure Listar has some kind of Vacation command. If I remember right, you can send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word HELP in the subject (maybe the body too) for a list of commands. Sorry that I forgot about that earlier. Anyway, I'm pretty sure there is a VACATION command that can be used to not receive any mails for a given amount of time. Anyway, I hope that helps :)) mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] set vacation on works, I think. But it really REALLY is easier to click the box in the webpage. -- Matt Sealey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[voyager] Re: What?
OH Well,Iff !!!PLEASE!!! doesnt work,nothing will,Forced to purchasing a PC!!!/Intel Processor. RESIGNED APH. Jocke wrote: There's always a good excuse for a 68k build :) See my challenge of ten. -- -- Regards, Dave 'Targhan' Crawford
[voyager] Re: What?
Jocke Wrote Where Amigans, we don't have fun. Look at Neko, he's trying to be funny, and everyone despises him for it ;) Doh! You're right! What was I thinking?! ;) -- -- Regards, Dave 'Targhan' Crawford
[voyager] Re: What?
Hey, don't feel bad. I had to purchase a PC (thru force) a while back too. I use my Pegasos much more often and 1/2 the time I run Amithlon on the PC, but I did have to get a PC for a past job :-(( OH Well,Iff !!!PLEASE!!! doesnt work,nothing will,Forced to purchasing a PC!!!/Intel Processor. -- -- Regards, Dave 'Targhan' Crawford
[voyager] Re: What?
At 10:02 AM 11/24/03 -0500, you wrote: Hey, don't feel bad. I had to purchase a PC (thru force) a while back too. I use my Pegasos much more often and 1/2 the time I run Amithlon on the PC, but I did have to get a PC for a past job :-(( OH Well,Iff !!!PLEASE!!! doesnt work,nothing will,Forced to purchasing a PC!!!/Intel Processor. How do I unscribe from this list as I have to move and will be off the net for a month.Thanks!
[voyager] Re: What?
In a message of 24-Nov-03 Alan Crandall wrote: How do I unscribe from this list as I have to move and will be off the net for a month.Thanks! Have a look at: http://www.vapor.com/lists/ -- Uffe Holst
[voyager] Re: What?
Go here: http://www.vapor.com/cgi-bin/lsg2.cgi You should be able to manage your subscription from there How do I unscribe from this list as I have to move and will be off the net for a month.Thanks! -- -- Regards, Dave 'Targhan' Crawford
[voyager] Re: What?
In a message of 24-Nov-03 Targhan wrote: Go here: http://www.vapor.com/cgi-bin/lsg2.cgi Have you ever managed to get a password so you actually can managed you subscribtion? I think the easiets is to write Listar and get told how to unsubscribe. -- Uffe Holst
[voyager] Re: What?
Hi Dave, On Sun, Nov 24, 2003, you wrote: Go here: http://www.vapor.com/cgi-bin/lsg2.cgi You should be able to manage your subscription from there How do I unscribe from this list as I have to move and will be off the net for a month.Thanks! -- -- Regards, Dave 'Targhan' Crawford I appreciate the straight advice being given. Is there any other way to temporarily stop messages? I ask this because unsubscribing is what I consider as extreme especially if the person, on returning, might wish to check out what transpired during the time he or she was away. Would not that person have to sub- scribe again if he or she had unsubscribed? Are there other choices? Regards, Julian. -- Author of MSH Tutorial V. 3.0. Found on Aminet -- MSHTut30.lha Julian Aronowitz. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[voyager] Re: What?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jocke Sjoblom Sent: 22 November 2003 17:38 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [voyager] Re: What? On 2003-11-22, Uffe Holst wrote: In a message of 22-Nov-03 Michael J. Roberts wrote: 3.3.127 ? Have I missed somehing here No, I just think Matt missed the right key :) Nope, 3.3.127 is, afaik, included on the MorphOS CD. 3.3.127 is the last public release we made (for MorphOS, but it was a late fix to the 3.3.x line). MorphOS currently ships with 3.4.4. Bugs fixed: all MorphOS ones. Speedups: all for MorphOS. New features: not worth making a 68k release build for :) -- Matt Sealey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[voyager] Re: What?
On 2003-11-23, Matt Sealey wrote: MorphOS currently ships with 3.4.4. Bugs fixed: all MorphOS ones. Speedups: all for MorphOS. New features: not worth making a 68k release build for :) Gr!!! ;) There's always a good excuse for a 68k build :) Regards, Jocke 'Zerohero' Sjoblom
[voyager] Re: What?
Like getting it to PRINT! PLEASE!!! TIA APH On 2003-11-23, Matt Sealey wrote: MorphOS currently ships with 3.4.4. Bugs fixed: all MorphOS ones. Speedups: all for MorphOS. New features: not worth making a 68k release build for :) Gr!!! ;) There's always a good excuse for a 68k build :) Regards, Jocke 'Zerohero' Sjoblom
[voyager] Re: What ?
Hey Stephen, I would highly suggest a Pegasos, particularly if you want to use the new Voyager versions anytime soon. Hello Folks, I like using Voyager As Matt says, the 060 is now out of date, I expect my humble Amiga (060) to run the apps designed for it, I am saving for an A1 so I can use= the new Voyager, and other apps that will use the CPU speed and capacity Stephen -- = Website: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/harris_s/ -- I like work ... I can sit and watch it for hours.= -- -- Regards, Dave 'Targhan' Crawford
[voyager] Re: What?
Jocke wrote: There's always a good excuse for a 68k build :) See my challenge of ten. -- -- Regards, Dave 'Targhan' Crawford
[voyager] Re: What?
On 2003-11-23, Targhan wrote: Jocke wrote: There's always a good excuse for a 68k build :) See my challenge of ten. Let me see... For at least ten of us it's the only way of running Voyager? Regards, Jocke 'Zerohero' Sjoblom
[voyager] Re: What?
On 23-Nov-03, A P Hemming wrote: On 2003-11-23, Matt Sealey wrote: MorphOS currently ships with 3.4.4. Bugs fixed: all MorphOS ones. Speedups: all for MorphOS. New features: not worth making a 68k release build for :) Gr!!! ;) There's always a good excuse for a 68k build :) Like getting it to PRINT! PLEASE!!! And Find in page. Please!!! Regards, -- Allan Rasmussen http://home19.inet.tele.dk/acme/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[voyager] Re: What?
Jocke Wrote: On 2003-11-23, Targhan wrote: Jocke wrote: There's always a good excuse for a 68k build :) See my challenge of ten. Let me see... For at least ten of us it's the only way of running Voyager? Hrm, I guess the email was buried. The challenge is that ten of the mailing list members buy a Pegasos. When that happens, I go on a warpath to annoy all the Vapor developers (email, phone, whining at the boss) until there is a new compile for the 68k version of Voyager too. 1. No, I'm not a part of Vapor. 2. I am with Genesi. 3. They will probably smack me around a bit for it, but I know at least one of the Vapor guys has agreed to the challenge! -- -- Regards, Dave 'Targhan' Crawford
[voyager] Re: What?
On 2003-11-23, Targhan wrote: Hrm, I guess the email was buried. The challenge is that ten of the mailing list members buy a Pegasos. When that happens, I go on a warpath to annoy all the Vapor developers (email, phone, whining at the boss) until there is a new compile for the 68k version of Voyager too. Believe me, I would if I could afford it, but with me getting married next summer, I really can't justify getting one more computer... 1. No, I'm not a part of Vapor. 2. I am with Genesi. 3. They will probably smack me around a bit for it, but I know at least one of the Vapor guys has agreed to the challenge! Regards, Jocke 'Zerohero' Sjoblom
[voyager] Re: What?
Jock wrote: Believe me, I would if I could afford it, but with me getting married next summer, I really can't justify getting one more computer... Wow! Congradulations then! -- -- Regards, Dave 'Targhan' Crawford
[voyager] Re: What?
On 2003-11-23, Targhan wrote: Jock wrote: Believe me, I would if I could afford it, but with me getting married next summer, I really can't justify getting one more computer... Wow! Congradulations then! Thanks, but that wasn't really the point ;) Regards, Jocke 'Zerohero' Sjoblom
[voyager] Re: What?
Jocke wrote: Wow! Congradulations then! Thanks, but that wasn't really the point ;) Ah, heh ;) Well, pester a friend or two into buying a Pegasos--I'll count that! :-P -- -- Regards, Dave 'Targhan' Crawford
[voyager] Re: What?
Hello Targhan On 23/11/2003, you wrote: Jocke Wrote: On 2003-11-23, Targhan wrote: Jocke wrote: There's always a good excuse for a 68k build :) See my challenge of ten. Let me see... For at least ten of us it's the only way of running Voyager? Hrm, I guess the email was buried. The challenge is that ten of the mailing list members buy a Pegasos. When that happens, I go on a warpath to annoy all the Vapor developers (email, phone, whining at the boss) until there is a new compile for the 68k version of Voyager too. 1. No, I'm not a part of Vapor. 2. I am with Genesi. 3. They will probably smack me around a bit for it, but I know at least one of the Vapor guys has agreed to the challenge! Are they that desperate to increase Pegasos sales ? Strange logic; buy a Pegasos to get a 68k update ? Regards Brian
[voyager] Re: What?
least one of the Vapor guys has agreed to the challenge! Are they that desperate to increase Pegasos sales ? Strange logic; buy a Pegasos to get a 68k update ? What? No, I am trying to have a little fun is all. Why does everything have to be uber-serious? -- -- Regards, Dave 'Targhan' Crawford
[voyager] Re: What?
On 2003-11-23, Targhan wrote: least one of the Vapor guys has agreed to the challenge! Are they that desperate to increase Pegasos sales ? Strange logic; buy a Pegasos to get a 68k update ? What? No, I am trying to have a little fun is all. Why does everything have to be uber-serious? Where Amigans, we don't have fun. Look at Neko, he's trying to be funny, and everyone despises him for it ;) Regards, Jocke 'Zerohero' Sjoblom
[voyager] Re: What?
Hello Jocke What? No, I am trying to have a little fun is all. Why does everything have to be uber-serious? Where Amigans, we don't have fun. Look at Neko, he's trying to be funny, and everyone despises him for it ;) rofl ... Regards -- Robin - http://www.amiganiac.net/
[voyager] Re: What?
Hello Matt On 20/11/2003, you wrote: [Snip] Of course we are not that mean and nasty, we just have other things to do. Development for MorphOS is, to us, important - but 68k platforms aren't being neglected any more than we don't ship Voyager updates by release on MorphOS. The version on the CD is far from the most current, it jumped a few versions before and after. We didn't release any of them. MorphOS users are stuck with the lame, buggy edition (that's sarcasm, btw) that we gave them on the MorphOS CD, just like you're stuck with 3.3.127. [Snip] 3.3.127 ? Have I missed somehing here, I thought 3.3.126 (27 Dec 2002) was the latest released version? Regards -- Michael J. Roberts - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) London, England Using YAM e-mail client on AMIGA (Mediator'd) A1200 I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. -- Albert Einstein
[voyager] Re: What?
In a message of 22-Nov-03 Michael J. Roberts wrote: 3.3.127 ? Have I missed somehing here No, I just think Matt missed the right key :) -- Uffe Holst
[voyager] Re: What?
Hallo Michael, Am 2003-11-22 schriebst Du: Hello Matt On 20/11/2003, you wrote: [Snip] Of course we are not that mean and nasty, we just have other things to do. Development for MorphOS is, to us, important - but 68k platforms aren't being neglected any more than we don't ship Voyager updates by release on MorphOS. The version on the CD is far from the most current, it jumped a few versions before and after. We didn't release any of them. MorphOS users are stuck with the lame, buggy edition (that's sarcasm, btw) that we gave them on the MorphOS CD, just like you're stuck with 3.3.127. [Snip] 3.3.127 ? Have I missed somehing here, I thought 3.3.126 (27 Dec 2002) was the latest released version? For 68k it is the latest version. Matt don't now what he's talking about ;-) . Regards Jörgen Danielsson
[voyager] Re: What?
On 2003-11-22, Uffe Holst wrote: In a message of 22-Nov-03 Michael J. Roberts wrote: 3.3.127 ? Have I missed somehing here No, I just think Matt missed the right key :) Nope, 3.3.127 is, afaik, included on the MorphOS CD. Regards, Jocke 'Zerohero' Sjoblom
[voyager] Re: What?
Hello Uffe On 20/11/2003, you wrote: In a message of 20-Nov-03 Matt Sealey wrote: Even though I liked the feel of Voyager a lot better than the feel of any of the other Amiga browser, I have switched completely to IBrowse. With IBrowse I am actually able to browse most sites. Is that supposed to be motivational? :) I don't know? What do you think? Well, I will probably be one of the first to test a new version of Voyager, when such might be released. I really like to go back to Voyager. Just like I probably will be one of the first to be willing to pay for an update. But for my daily internet usage I will have to choose the browser that works with most sites, and that's not Voyager. When I encounter a site that doesn't work with IBrowse, I normally try Voyager to see if this works better. It rarely does. You might not be the most tactful person on the list, but at least you woke a few of them up for a while. Regards Brian
[voyager] Re: What?
Hello Franco On 20/11/2003, you wrote: Ciao Jorgen Danielsson, On 20-Nov-2003, you wrote: Hello , On 2003-11-20, you wrote: A pegasos owner, are you? You just seems to get worse every day. I asked a question. Either what I wrote was true or it wasn't, so what? And I didn't call anyone lazy. I ASKED. There is a difference, can you see it? /Jorgen Danielsson It might just be me, but calling a developer 'lazy' is hardly the way to get them motivated to update a product. Why can't you ask the question in a more productive manner than effectively 'shouting' via email? Your statments make the word 'Regards' in your signature a bit phony kevin orme amiga university www.amigau.com AWESOME a Flame on the Voyager ML! I'll write a review :-D Sadly it's all w'ere likely to get on this ML these days. Even Matt seems to be hibernating now that the weather turned cooler. Regards Brian
[voyager] Re: What?
Ciao Brian Sharman, On 20-Nov-2003, you wrote: Hello Franco On 20/11/2003, you wrote: AWESOME a Flame on the Voyager ML! I'll write a review :-D Sadly it's all w'ere likely to get on this ML these days. Even Matt seems to be hibernating now that the weather turned cooler. Matt? . . .you can find him on the IB mailinglist . . . . hi, Matt ;-) Ciao tsb BITPLANE The new italian Amiga magazine http://www.bitplane.it tsb Coccini Franco mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://space.virgilio.it/[EMAIL PROTECTED] A4000/040- 30mhz- 24 fast + 2 chip OS 3.9-TbcPlus- Genlock Electrocraft Genesis+AmiTCP 4.3-CV64-Picasso96 Repulse Gold - XSurf 2 - Alice ADSL tsb
[voyager] Re: What?
Hello Franco On 20-Nov-03, you wrote: Ciao Brian Sharman, On 20-Nov-2003, you wrote: Hello Franco On 20/11/2003, you wrote: AWESOME a Flame on the Voyager ML! I'll write a review :-D Sadly it's all w'ere likely to get on this ML these days. Even Matt seems to be hibernating now that the weather turned cooler. Matt? . . .you can find him on the IB mailinglist . . . . hi, Matt ;-) Ciao Not surpised to find Matt on IB,I moved there some while back so as to get the use of Javascript for my home shopping,far more advanced than Voyager,although I would not want to desert Voyager completely,but if only we could see some movement. Or maybe there is some that us mortals cannot see??How about it Matt? what say you,Len. tsb BITPLANE The new italian Amiga magazine http://www.bitplane.it tsb Coccini Franco mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://space.virgilio.it/[EMAIL PROTECTED] A4000/040- 30mhz- 24 fast + 2 chip OS 3.9-TbcPlus- Genlock Electrocraft Genesis+AmiTCP 4.3-CV64-Picasso96 Repulse Gold - XSurf 2 - Alice ADSL tsb Regards
[voyager] Re: What?
Hello shane, On 2003-11-20, you wrote: Kevin You are dead right there is no need for ignorance and plain bad manners. Perhaps J=F6rgen knows no better. The only thing that is dead is Voyager. /Jörgen
[voyager] Re: What?
No, I don't own a pegasos, although I've seen one in action locally here (seattle). And 'asking' someone if they're lazy, in the tone you used, is the same thing as calling them lazy, which again, is hardly going to motivate someone to helpfully reply to you kevin Hello , On 2003-11-20, you wrote: A pegasos owner, are you? You just seems to get worse every day. I asked a question. Either what I wrote was true or it wasn't, so what? And I didn't call anyone lazy. I ASKED. There is a difference, can you see it? /Jörgen Danielsson
[voyager] Re: What?
Hello , On 2003-11-20, you wrote: So we have tones here now. Must have missed that, or perhaps you're using 'say' ;-) . /Jörgen No, I don't own a pegasos, although I've seen one in action locally here (seattle). And 'asking' someone if they're lazy, in the tone you used, is the same thing as calling them lazy, which again, is hardly going to motivate someone to helpfully reply to you kevin Hello , On 2003-11-20, you wrote: A pegasos owner, are you? You just seems to get worse every day. I asked a question. Either what I wrote was true or it wasn't, so what? And I didn't call anyone lazy. I ASKED. There is a difference, can you see it? /Jörgen Danielsson
[voyager] Re: What?
Thanks, Kevin, for defending us. If you read the text when you register Vapor apps, you'll note that we are not obliged to provide updates or even continue development beyond the version available when you paid for it. Of course we are not that mean and nasty, we just have other things to do. Development for MorphOS is, to us, important - but 68k platforms aren't being neglected any more than we don't ship Voyager updates by release on MorphOS. The version on the CD is far from the most current, it jumped a few versions before and after. We didn't release any of them. MorphOS users are stuck with the lame, buggy edition (that's sarcasm, btw) that we gave them on the MorphOS CD, just like you're stuck with 3.3.127. Unfortunately for 68k users, until a 600MHz 68080 appears, some of the functionality of modern browsers is going to be far beyond your reach anyway, the same way that Aweb has split now into APL and KHTML versions to accomodate both, Voyager may do the same. MorphOS has some neat API's for some neat things, and the ability to run things at a blinding speed where on a 68k Amiga you would be left waiting for minutes. You just can't lead an old dog to suck eggs :) -- Matt Sealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 November 2003 16:42 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [voyager] Re: What? No, I don't own a pegasos, although I've seen one in action locally here (seattle). And 'asking' someone if they're lazy, in the tone you used, is the same thing as calling them lazy, which again, is hardly going to motivate someone to helpfully reply to you kevin Hello , On 2003-11-20, you wrote: A pegasos owner, are you? You just seems to get worse every day. I asked a question. Either what I wrote was true or it wasn't, so what? And I didn't call anyone lazy. I ASKED. There is a difference, can you see it? /Jörgen Danielsson
[voyager] Re: What?
Hello Matt,
On Thu, Nov 20, 2003, you wrote:
snip
Unfortunately for 68k users, until a 600MHz 68080 appears,
some of the functionality of modern browsers is going to be
far beyond your reach anyway, the same way that Aweb has
split now into APL and KHTML versions to accomodate
both, Voyager may do the same.
MorphOS has some neat API's for some neat things, and the
ability to run things at a blinding speed where on a 68k
Amiga you would be left waiting for minutes. You just can't
lead an old dog to suck eggs :)
--
Matt Sealey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I do not know about anyone else but whenever I
speak with other Amiga users who normally have to
use systems other than the Amiga, irrespective of
what the Amiga can do, we all agree that we do not
expect the current Amigas (even those with 128 megs
of RAM and running 60 MHz with a Motorola '060) to
be able to do what a 600 MHz Amiga could do. That
is why we are waiting for the AmigaOne so we can buy
a replacement for our aging machines and continue to
enjoy Amigadom.
What we do expect from the developers of such
things as Voyager and AWeb is to correct some of the
inabilities or finish some of the upgrades to allow
those programs to continue to be able to access
sites. We do not expect to be able to swallow huge
graphics in one bite or a lot of other things. We
also expect to be clearly told when a particular
operation cannot be done because of a situation --
whether speed or RAM or some other aspect. For
example, there are more than one JAVA compilers for
the Amiga. Why is there no statement whether they
can work as an external plugin? And, Javascript,
why can IBrowse have a working 1.2 version operating
and stable but not Voyager and AWeb?
So you see Matt, we Amiga users who must use
other systems too, do not expect the current Amigas
to do anything which can only be done with a 600 MHz
computer. We do expect that we should be able to
use our current Amigas with things that can operate
with its limited speed and such. We also expect to
be properly informed.
Lastly, please take all of what I have written as
just answering your statement, not as though I am
asking you for any answers as I know from what you
told us, that you are mainly the beta tester. So,
for the most part, I am on your side in this matter.
Regards,
Julian.
--
Author of MSH Tutorial V. 3.0.
Found on Aminet -- MSHTut30.lha
Julian Aronowitz. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[voyager] Re: What?
Matt saw free to write: it jumped a few versions before and after. We didn't release any of them. MorphOS users are stuck with the lame, buggy edition (that's sarcasm, btw) that we gave them on the MorphOS CD, just like you're stuck with 3.3.127. After trying to actually use the MorphOS version of V, and having to write MY OWN system (arexx/cmanager) to get at the bookmarks, I can say the 68k folks aren't missing a thing right now! ;-P We get to SAY we have a new version, but in all honesty--Someone has been taking features OUT!!! -Stares at Matt- :-P (just kidding there Matt!) Seriously, I'm sure as soon as a new version is ready, our friends at Vapor will release something. -- -- Regards, Dave 'Targhan' Crawford
[voyager] Re: What?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Julian Aronowitz Sent: 20 November 2003 19:08 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [voyager] Re: What? Hello Matt, On Thu, Nov 20, 2003, you wrote: snip Unfortunately for 68k users, until a 600MHz 68080 appears, some of the functionality of modern browsers is going to be far beyond your reach anyway, the same way that Aweb has split now into APL and KHTML versions to accomodate both, Voyager may do the same. MorphOS has some neat API's for some neat things, and the ability to run things at a blinding speed where on a 68k Amiga you would be left waiting for minutes. You just can't lead an old dog to suck eggs :) -- Matt Sealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I do not know about anyone else but whenever I speak with other Amiga users who normally have to use systems other than the Amiga, irrespective of what the Amiga can do, we all agree that we do not expect the current Amigas (even those with 128 megs of RAM and running 60 MHz with a Motorola '060) to be able to do what a 600 MHz Amiga could do. That is why we are waiting for the AmigaOne so we can buy a replacement for our aging machines and continue to enjoy Amigadom. I agree. And when you get an OS to run on it, Vapor are still committed to evaluating the platform for a port, as Olli remarked years ago when the question first came up. What we do expect from the developers of such things as Voyager and AWeb is to correct some of the inabilities or finish some of the upgrades to allow those programs to continue to be able to access sites. Sure. But you must understand that a great deal of the work progresses much faster on a 600MHz Amiga than it does on a 60MHz one. That's why all the neat stuff and bigfixes start on MorphOS and trickle back later. I'm simply warning you in advance though: Voyager may grow features that will never trickle back. whether speed or RAM or some other aspect. For example, there are more than one JAVA compilers for the Amiga. Why is there no statement whether they can work as an external plugin? Because compiling Java is not the same as running it. If you have a JVM, making it run as a plugin in Voyager is the work of a few minutes. And, Javascript, why can IBrowse have a working 1.2 version operatingand stable but not Voyager and AWeb? Voyager's Javascript implementation is up to scratch for 90% of the Core Javascript 1.3 specification. Certain Netscape extensions are unimplemented, and certain small amounts of the API are missing currently. Voyager's big discrepency is in it's DOM implementation, not the ability to execute Javascript. Certain operations are not implemented fully (function calls across framesets) but then again certain functionality *is* implemented to much greater degree of compatibility and completeness than IBrowse (event handlers, for example) Believe me, I know *precisely* what is wrong with Voyager, and also in Aweb and IBrowse too - it's in our best interests not to make the same mistakes as our competitors, and also to be abridged of anything like new features. And believe me when I say steps are being taken to fix all of the bugs currently known (and there are a few!) in V so you can all benefit. Please don't call us lazy or wish death upon us just because we prefer a PowerPC development box to a 68k one, and do work for money (both David and I work for Genesi doing lots of stuff OTHER than web browsers.. and Olli is busy coding software for a living too) rather than spending every waking hour on Voyager. -- Matt Sealey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[voyager] Re: What?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Julian Aronowitz Sent: 20 November 2003 19:08 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [voyager] Re: What? asking you for any answers as I know from what you told us, that you are mainly the beta tester. My name is in the comments at the top of every source file as one of the co-authors. More than a beta-tester :) Apart from many minor and annoying code improvements (Voyager is almost 100% compatible with all major porn sites and popup advertising schemes!) I did maintain the bug database (an internal representation, NOT bugs.vapor.com) for a long time. Unfortunately it sits unmaintained now, although considering I am sure we have listed 90% of the true bugs in Voyager on that list, it's not a big deal that none are being added, but fun that they are being removed release after release :D -- Matt Sealey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[voyager] Re: What?
In a message of 20-Nov-03 Matt Sealey wrote: Voyager's big discrepency is in it's DOM implementation, not the ability to execute Javascript. Certain operations are not implemented fully (function calls across framesets) but then again certain functionality *is* implemented to much greater degree of compatibility and completeness than IBrowse (event handlers, for example) I do believe that you are fully correct on this. However, as a user I really don't care about such. What I care about is that the browser works with the sites I like to view. And the fact is that IBrowse works a lot better on JS sites than Voyager does. Even though I liked the feel of Voyager a lot better than the feel of any of the other Amiga browser, I have switched completely to IBrowse. With IBrowse I am actually able to browse most sites. -- Uffe Holst
[voyager] Re: What?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Uffe Holst Sent: 20 November 2003 20:22 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [voyager] Re: What? In a message of 20-Nov-03 Matt Sealey wrote: Voyager's big discrepency is in it's DOM implementation, not the ability to execute Javascript. Certain operations are not implemented fully (function calls across framesets) but then again certain functionality *is* implemented to much greater degree of compatibility and completeness than IBrowse (event handlers, for example) I do believe that you are fully correct on this. However, as a user I really don't care about such. Well, when certain users whine how come IBrowse has a stable JS 1.2 and Voyager doesn't? when that's not entirely true, I suspect that THEY, rather than you, care to know the reality of it. What I care about is that the browser works with the sites I like to view. Sure. And Voyager will let you change your settings and create NTLworld cable internet accounts in the UK. IBrowse will not. Takes diff'rent strokes. Even though I liked the feel of Voyager a lot better than the feel of any of the other Amiga browser, I have switched completely to IBrowse. With IBrowse I am actually able to browse most sites. Is that supposed to be motivational? :) -- Matt Sealey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[voyager] Re: What?
In a message of 20-Nov-03 Matt Sealey wrote: Even though I liked the feel of Voyager a lot better than the feel of any of the other Amiga browser, I have switched completely to IBrowse. With IBrowse I am actually able to browse most sites. Is that supposed to be motivational? :) I don't know? What do you think? Well, I will probably be one of the first to test a new version of Voyager, when such might be released. I really like to go back to Voyager. Just like I probably will be one of the first to be willing to pay for an update. But for my daily internet usage I will have to choose the browser that works with most sites, and that's not Voyager. When I encounter a site that doesn't work with IBrowse, I normally try Voyager to see if this works better. It rarely does. -- Uffe Holst
[voyager] Re: What?
Hello Uffe Just like I probably will be one of the first to be willing to pay for an update. Put in 'copypaste' and 'save as text' and I would pay too :-) Even/Especially for the MOS version ;-) But for my daily internet usage I will have to choose the browser that works with most sites, and that's not Voyager. When I encounter a site that doesn't work with IBrowse, I normally try Voyager to see if this works better. It rarely does. Well, when someone reports my sites to be broken/crap when looked at with amiga browsers I know they use IBrowse ;-) Regards -- Robin - http://www.amiganiac.net/
[voyager] Re: What?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Uffe Holst Sent: 20 November 2003 22:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [voyager] Re: What? In a message of 20-Nov-03 Matt Sealey wrote: Even though I liked the feel of Voyager a lot better than the feel of any of the other Amiga browser, I have switched completely to IBrowse. With IBrowse I am actually able to browse most sites. Is that supposed to be motivational? :) I don't know? What do you think? Well, I will probably be one of the first to test a new version of Voyager, when such might be released. I really like to go back to Voyager. Just like I probably will be one of the first to be willing to pay for an update. Well, it comes free with MorphOS, and doesn't require a keyfile, so MorphOS users need never pay for it ever again :) But for my daily internet usage I will have to choose the browser that works with most sites, and that's not Voyager. I agree. It isn't IBrowse, either, for me it's IE6. that doesn't work with IBrowse, I normally try Voyager to see if this works better. It rarely does. I don't even bother with Amiga browsers anymore. Voyager has a value in providing Amigas with *a* browser, and Pegasos's running MorphOS a browser that takes full advantage of the OS, but as a browser to book flights and pay my bills, I do not leave it to chance and implementation! Even if Voyager worked 100% the same way as IE, I wouldn't use it for the simple reason that I do not sit at my Pegasos - I use my Windows box for everything, because it is more useful to me. I have grown up using Windows development tools, grown used to TextPad, I happen to adore PenguiNet (written by a guy who's done some fantastic work in Voyager's table code) and it makes sense not to have to move my chair to play a song or write an email :) My Pegasos has a huge speaker system, a nice monitor, optical mouse, nice hard disk and DVD/CDRW drive, so it isn't useless. It's just not my front-line machine. (I also have a FreeBSD server which I use for various tasks which I have learnt over the years to perform - they could be done on Windows, but I learnt it on FreeBSD and am more comfortable using a real unix box than any emulation layer or hack (cygwin/ixemul) on any other platform) -- Matt Sealey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[voyager] Re: What do you want in Voyager?
Another idiosyncrasy of the Cache Pruner . after I had mine pruned, the About:Cache function refused to do anything. I had to quit Voyager so it could do it's normal "Cache cleanup" and then restart to get it to see the cache again. Peter Stuart / Sydney, Australia / email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A4k / CSMkII-060 / CV64 / 50M-RAM / 2.1G-IDE + 2G-SCSI / 33.6k Voyager3 / Miami 3.2b / MUI / MWB (All Reg'd) - Original Message - From: Uffe Holst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 3:23 AM Subject: [voyager] Re: What do you want in Voyager? In a message of 10-Apr-00 David Gerber wrote: Well, for obvious reasons V won't calculate the size of the cache everytime you start it so it stores it. Since this is a new feature it might not be set correctly. Open the Cache Pruner and press the 'Start' button, it'll begin scanning the cache directory then if the computed size doesn't match the stored size it'll update it and tell you to press 'Start' again. Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
[voyager] Re: What do you want in Voyager?
Scritto da Ben Preece il giorno 29-Mar-00 20:58:06: + What's your biggest problem with V? JavaScript implementation (not blaming Vapor authors, nonetheless it does not work often enough with real world sites out there) + What has been the best improvement or addition in the last year? JavaScript support + If you decide to use IBrowse instead of V, why is that? JavaScript compatibility + What feature is your biggest want? Support for WarpUP (Flash plug-in, PDF plug-in, image decoding library) + Have you got any general comments about the way we develop V? No. Fabrizio Ruggeri __ __ /// Amiga vive! \\\/// \XX/ http://www.agora.it/F.Ruggeri/ Per la mia chiave PGP 2.6.3i inviarmi messaggio con oggetto: Chiave PGP Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
[voyager] Re: What do you want in Voyager?
Hi Uffe, On 10-Apr-00 you wrote: [voyager] Re: What do you want in Voyager? Well, as I have mentioned more than once, my cache is close to 200 MB, so Voyager scanned and scanned and scanned and after around 8 minutes it stopped scanning. Then nothing happened -- I suppose it was sorting the entries. After another 8 minutes nothing seems to have happened. Fifteen minutes or so later I noticed that the mouse pointer had become corrupted, I switched to the Workbench that told me that Voyager had eaten all the memory as well. Voyager didn't respond in any way. Yep, this happened to me too. My memory went right down from 30MB to 1MB. I had 35MB of data in my cache at the time. Regards, Andrew Bell. -- ++ email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.andrewb.exl.co.uk ++ Better recipes Through Assimilation. Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
[voyager] Re: What do you want in Voyager?
In a message of 10-Apr-00 Peter Stuart wrote: Also, I just tried the APDF plugin whilst Offline, tried to load the test.pdf file, and got a blank screen. Same thing with Miami.pdf. Hmmm, I'll try it whilst Online shortly. Anyone else have any luck??? As you probably have seen in a previous of my posts, I get the same results as you do. I have even tried the http://www.londontransport.co.uk they recommend. But no problem using APDF alone. Another problem that I have been experiencing with 3.1 is that Voyager often doesn't close its screen when quitting. It is very easily solved by loading Voyager again (it then uses the same screen) and quitting Voyager -- there is a very good chance that the screen now is closing. Uffe Holst Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
[voyager] Re: What do you want in Voyager?
On 10-Avr-00 00:14:16, Uffe Holst wrote: Yes, with respect to this I was very glad for VNG 2.95. I was able to maintain the size of the cache pretty precisely. Recently I noticed that my cache in a very short time had increased from 220 MB to 381 MB -- a bit scary, because I really don't know what can have caused this great increase. It had taken 5-6 months to build the 220 MB cache. Well, I deleted most of it, so I got below the 256 MB limit. This bug has been fixed in 3.1 and you get a new Cache Pruner as a bonus. -- David Gerber A woman is not property, and husbands who think otherwise are living in a dreamworld. Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
[voyager] Re: What do you want in Voyager?
In a message of 10-Apr-00 David Gerber wrote: Yes, with respect to this I was very glad for VNG 2.95. I was able to maintain the size of the cache pretty precisely. Recently I noticed that my cache in a very short time had increased from 220 MB to 381 MB -- a bit scary, because I really don't know what can have caused this great increase. It had taken 5-6 months to build the 220 MB cache. Well, I deleted most of it, so I got below the 256 MB limit. This bug has been fixed in 3.1 and you get a new Cache Pruner as a bonus. As long as V³ trims it nicely at 256 MB, I am more than satisfied :))) But I did noticed the Cache Pruner. It reports "3237k used" and that is not very much i accordance with the 200.719.454 bytes size of my cache. Why? When I noticed that my cache had reached 381 MB, I trimmed it simply by generating a bunch of delete commands like. list V3-Cache/#?/#? lformat "delete %f" upto 31-dec-99 RAM:DeleteCache or something like that. And then executed the deleted batch file. This removed around 200 megs, and brought the cache size down to around 180 MB. Would that totally have ruined Voyager's understanding of the cache size? And a minor thing -- in my opinion the Cache Pruner window needs a "Cancel" button. Uffe Holst Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
[voyager] Re: What do you want in Voyager?
Hello Peter, on 10-Apr-00 you wrote : » Hi Norbert, » What is the matter with the "About:Cache" function found under » the "Cache/Goto Disk Cache" pull down menu? I know that maybe » it's missing some of the sorting functions of the old V2.xx but » you can at least still browse the cache. a. Did you try 'About:Cache' with your 21,076 MB cache size, how long does it take to show up? (My cache size is set to 100 MB.) b. I often visit web sites while searching for articles I need for my work (scientific topics, civil engineering, tunnel design). I wander through the web-site, taking down some notes, and after that I often decide it would be helpful to move the whole bunch of pages I visted on this web-site (including graphics) to my HD. Try this with the 'About:Cache' or the 'Save..' menus and you're goin' nuts. [OK, I admit I can use a smart extra utility which loads the pages *again* (here it is *again*!)] But to get things into the right relation, my intention was to remark that a thing like V-NG's tiny CacheBrowser would be nice for V³ too. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm well aware of the fact that there are many other things which have to done for V³ before this feature may reach the topten of the todo list. ;-) So for now I'm using my Apple G4 MacIntosh for this kind of web access. Anyway, thanks for your suggestions, have a nice day. Regards NR -- Remark of the day : As of next week, passwords are to be entered in morse code. -- Amiga 2000 B/2060ERC - PicIV/Pic96 - 19" Iiyama S901GT 2/112 MB Chip/FastMem - 2x2.7 GB SCSI HD - 48 x SCSI CD-ROM Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
[voyager] Re: What do you want in Voyager?
In a message of 10-Apr-00 Norbert Roth wrote: But to get things into the right relation, my intention was to remark that a thing like V-NG's tiny CacheBrowser would be nice for V³ too. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm well aware of the fact that there are many other things which have to done for V³ before this feature may reach the topten of the todo list. ;-) Personally I don't have any use for a cache browser, but different people have different needs. Since I am sure Olli and Zapek have plenty to do already, why not volunteer and be the developer of a cache browser for Voyager -- I am sure Olli will supply you with the necessary information needed to learn how to browse the cache. Uffe Holst Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
[voyager] Re: What do you want in Voyager?
On 10-Avr-00 12:30:02, Uffe Holst wrote: This bug has been fixed in 3.1 and you get a new Cache Pruner as a bonus. As long as V³ trims it nicely at 256 MB, I am more than satisfied :))) But I did noticed the Cache Pruner. It reports "3237k used" and that is not very much i accordance with the 200.719.454 bytes size of my cache. Why? Well, for obvious reasons V won't calculate the size of the cache everytime you start it so it stores it. Since this is a new feature it might not be set correctly. Open the Cache Pruner and press the 'Start' button, it'll begin scanning the cache directory then if the computed size doesn't match the stored size it'll update it and tell you to press 'Start' again. When I noticed that my cache had reached 381 MB, I trimmed it simply by generating a bunch of delete commands like. list V3-Cache/#?/#? lformat "delete %f" upto 31-dec-99 RAM:DeleteCache or something like that. And then executed the deleted batch file. This removed around 200 megs, and brought the cache size down to around 180 MB. Would that totally have ruined Voyager's understanding of the cache size? Well, if you do something like that now then it would. And a minor thing -- in my opinion the Cache Pruner window needs a "Cancel" button. The 'Start' button becomes a 'Stop' button once it's pressed :) -- David Gerber How do you emasculate an NT Admin? Remove the ball from the mouse. Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
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In a message of 10-Apr-00 David Gerber wrote: Well, for obvious reasons V won't calculate the size of the cache everytime you start it so it stores it. Since this is a new feature it might not be set correctly. Open the Cache Pruner and press the 'Start' button, it'll begin scanning the cache directory then if the computed size doesn't match the stored size it'll update it and tell you to press 'Start' again. Neat. Another cache problem. My finger slipped above the "Goto disk cache" which as you most probably know is the same as "About:cache". IT WOULD BE VERY NICE TO HAVE A SAFETY REQUESTER WARNING: "Scanning cache might take en eternity and might crash your computer" "Continue | Cancel" Well, as I have mentioned more than once, my cache is close to 200 MB, so Voyager scanned and scanned and scanned and after around 8 minutes it stopped scanning. Then nothing happened -- I suppose it was sorting the entries. After another 8 minutes nothing seems to have happened. Fifteen minutes or so later I noticed that the mouse pointer had become corrupted, I switched to the Workbench that told me that Voyager had eaten all the memory as well. Voyager didn't respond in any way. I decided to close YAM and NewsRog before reboot ... this resultet in a crash which I think neither YAM nor NewsRog is to blame for :-))) If you add a safety requester for that damn "About:cache" I will buy you a beer next time you are in Denmark :-) Uffe Holst Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
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Hello David, on 08-Apr-00 you wrote : » Hi; » ...snip [V³'s cache management] » When I was paying for internet access, to cut online time to a » minimum, I used to quickly skim through all the sites I needed » to see. This would hold them in the cache, then I'd log off and » read them properly. Ibrowse had a really good cache browser » that suited that sort of use. V-NG v2.95 also had a usefull cache browser, V³ unfortunally doesn't. (No, after testing CM I decided not to use it, it too bloaded for this kind of problem, seems like a M$ way of solving problems, sorry for the comparison, but that's my impression). Have nice weekend. Regards NR -- Remark of the day : Oppression makes the wise man mad. (Robert Browning) -- Amiga 2000 B/2060ERC - PicIV/Pic96 - 19" Iiyama S901GT 2/112 MB Chip/FastMem - 2x2.7 GB SCSI HD - 48 x SCSI CD-ROM Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
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Hi Norbert, What is the matter with the "About:Cache" function found under the "Cache/Goto Disk Cache" pull down menu? I know that maybe it's missing some of the sorting functions of the old V2.xx but you can at least still browse the cache. The only two annoying things I have found with V3 is that it still refuses to close the dowload window after a succesful download. (B4 you ask, Yes, it is set correctly in the prefs.) And that the Cache does not stick to it's maximum size set in the prefs. Mine is set to 2000 k/Bytes but it is now up to 21.076 M/Bytes!!! And yes, I have checked to ensure there isn't another "0" hiding in there too;) Aside from those annoying bugs V3 seems to be pretty darn good! Once Olli Zapek get over the partying that they must be doing after Zapek had gotten rid of all the bugs as reported on April 1st ;), then I'll look forward to the increase in features. Woohoo! Keep up the good work boys! Regards, Peter Stuart. - Original Message - From: Norbert Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] V-NG v2.95 also had a usefull cache browser, V³ unfortunally doesn't. Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
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In a message of 10-Apr-00 Peter Stuart wrote: The only two annoying things I have found with V3 is that it still refuses to close the dowload window after a succesful download. (B4 you ask, Yes, it is set correctly in the prefs.) Hmmm... I have just downloaded V³ 3.1 and the flash and PDF plugin, and Voyager closed the download window just fine when it was complete. And that the Cache does not stick to it's maximum size set in the prefs. Mine is set to 2000 k/Bytes but it is now up to 21.076 M/Bytes!!! And yes, I have checked to ensure there isn't another "0" hiding in there too;) Yes, with respect to this I was very glad for VNG 2.95. I was able to maintain the size of the cache pretty precisely. Recently I noticed that my cache in a very short time had increased from 220 MB to 381 MB -- a bit scary, because I really don't know what can have caused this great increase. It had taken 5-6 months to build the 220 MB cache. Well, I deleted most of it, so I got below the 256 MB limit. Uffe Holst Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
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What is the matter with the "About:Cache" function found under the "Cache/Goto Disk Cache" pull down menu? I know that maybe it's missing some of the sorting functions of the old V2.xx but you can at least still browse the cache. Yes, it functions as it should, which is minimal at best. If you want to weed out files from the cache that are not wanted, or save complete web sites to hd, your just plain SOL. That's my main complaint with V3, and it's a big one (for me). Doug Rudd Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
[voyager] Re: What do you want in Voyager?
- Original Message - From: Uffe Holst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 9:14 AM Subject: [voyager] Re: What do you want in Voyager? In a message of 10-Apr-00 Peter Stuart wrote: . then Uffe responded two annoying things I have found with V3 is that it still refuses to close the dowload window after a succesful download. (B4 you ask, Yes, it is set correctly in the prefs.) Hmmm... I have just downloaded V³ 3.1 and the flash and PDF plugin, and Voyager closed the download window just fine when it was complete. I Just tried a download with V3.1 and it still won't close. It maybe a prog I've got running in the background. I'll check it out. Also, I just tried the APDF plugin whilst Offline, tried to load the test.pdf file, and got a blank screen. Same thing with Miami.pdf. Hmmm, I'll try it whilst Online shortly. Anyone else have any luck??? Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
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Hello Peter On 10-Apr-00, you wrote: Also, I just tried the APDF plugin whilst Offline, tried to load the test.pdf file, and got a blank screen. Same thing with Miami.pdf. Hmmm, I'll try it whilst Online shortly. Anyone else have any luck??? Same here... :( Steve Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
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Hello Uffe I reported against one of the pre=releases that the D/L window would only close when the option to keep aborted downloads was enabled. Maybe that is still the case. On 09-Apr-00, Uffe Holst wrote: UH UH In a message of 10-Apr-00 Peter Stuart wrote: UH UH The only two annoying things I have found with V3 is that it still UH refuses UH to close the dowload window after a succesful download. (B4 you ask, UH Yes, it UH is set correctly in the prefs.) UH UH Hmmm... I have just downloaded V³ 3.1 and the flash and PDF plugin, and UH Voyager closed the download window just fine when it was complete. UH UH And that the Cache does not stick to it's maximum size set in the UH prefs. UH Mine is set to 2000 k/Bytes but it is now up to 21.076 M/Bytes!!! And UH yes, I have checked to ensure there isn't another "0" hiding in there UH too;) UH UH Yes, with respect to this I was very glad for VNG 2.95. I was able to UH maintain the size of the cache pretty precisely. Recently I noticed that UH my cache in a very short time had increased from 220 MB to 381 MB -- a UH bit scary, because I really don't know what can have caused this great UH increase. It had taken 5-6 months to build the 220 MB cache. Well, I UH deleted most of it, so I got below the 256 MB limit. UH UH UH UH Uffe Holst UH UH UH Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ UH For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" UH To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE" UH UH Regards Bob Amiga Afficionado and Rocket Scientist -- Bob Quintal Les Productions Vaudreuil-Salaberry Inc. Event and Video Production Management. Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
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Had the same problem in while trying it for the first time.. but I figured out that the whole page have to fit in the Voyager window before vpdf can display it... No problem with a resolution of 1664*1248 or what I'm using now (yes, it's more than 1600*1200, but it seems like CGFX v4 doesn't support wider screens than 1648)... :) When setting vPDF up, I crashed on every try to change the preferences (from within Voyager). A solution to this problem is to set the preferences using APDF (change fonts and modules directories so that they have full paths, not PROGDIR:fonts, and PROGDIR:/nothing), and then copy the apdf.config (from the directory where APDF is installed) to the plugins/data directory in Voyager, and rename it to vpdf.config /PeO - Original Message - From: Uffe Holst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 9:14 AM Subject: [voyager] Re: What do you want in Voyager? In a message of 10-Apr-00 Peter Stuart wrote: . then Uffe responded two annoying things I have found with V3 is that it still refuses to close the dowload window after a succesful download. (B4 you ask, Yes, it is set correctly in the prefs.) Hmmm... I have just downloaded V³ 3.1 and the flash and PDF plugin, and Voyager closed the download window just fine when it was complete. I Just tried a download with V3.1 and it still won't close. It maybe a prog I've got running in the background. I'll check it out. Also, I just tried the APDF plugin whilst Offline, tried to load the test.pdf file, and got a blank screen. Same thing with Miami.pdf. Hmmm, I'll try it whilst Online shortly. Anyone else have any luck??? Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE" -- /* PeO - AMiGA owner since 1990, CGI, Perl, Assembly language HTML-fanatic *\ \* Amiga 4000TE/060-50/604e 200, 146Mb, 33.4Gb, ZIP, JAZ, CVPPC/8 */ /* IIyama VM Pro 21", CP-SW2 Subwoofer system, NEC-222 *\ \* Plextor 12-Plex, Yamaha CRW 4416S, Artec A6000C+, Stylus Color 500*/ /*Lightfax 3660, Catweazel Z-II (3*IDE, 1*PC Floppy), Minolta DImage V *\ \* SCSI-Tower, Seagate Tapestor 4/8GB, Ariadne Ethernet, Minolta PagePro 6 */ Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
[voyager] Re: What do you want in Voyager?
Hmmm. Thanks Bob, I'll check it out. Regards, Peter. - Original Message - From: Bob Quintal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 12:02 PM Subject: [voyager] Re: What do you want in Voyager? Hello Uffe I reported against one of the pre=releases that the D/L window would only close when the option to keep aborted downloads was enabled. Maybe that is still the case. On 09-Apr-00, Uffe Holst wrote: UH UH In a message of 10-Apr-00 Peter Stuart wrote: UH UH The only two annoying things I have found with V3 is that it still UH refuses UH to close the dowload window after a succesful download. (B4 you ask, UH Yes, it UH is set correctly in the prefs.) Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
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Salve Robyn! 10-dub-00 00:34:56 wrote Robyn Steve the following in *"(ML) Voyager"* area about "[voyager] Re: What do you want in Voyager?", and I quote (in part): Also, I just tried the APDF plugin whilst Offline, tried to load the test.pdf file, and got a blank screen. Same thing with Miami.pdf. Hmmm, I'll try it whilst Online shortly. Anyone else have any luck??? RS Same here... :( Nothing problem here, both aPDF and vPDF plugin work without problems, thank you, Vapor team! -- __ __/// Petr Voralek nazir@(comp|volny).cz 24229288@ICQ \XX/ [Team *AMIGA*] [BFU] [Conspiracy!] ... Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate. Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
[voyager] Re: What do you want in Voyager?
Hi; I don't understand - I've never really understood why everyone made quite such a big deal about deleting stuff from the cache, but I've never heard any put it quite like this before... The cache handles itself, so how could you need "more space"?? It is, after all, just a cache - designed to make your surfing a bit faster, nothing more... When I was paying for internet access, to cut online time to a minimum, I used to quickly skim through all the sites I needed to see. This would hold them in the cache, then I'd log off and read them properly. Ibrowse had a really good cache browser that suited that sort of use. Seems a bit pointless now but other people probably do it as well. David Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
[voyager] Re: What do you want in Voyager?
On 29-Mar-00, Ben wrote: + What's your biggest problem with V? Being unable to easily Delete unwanted files in the V3 Cache directory, to free up space for more browsing. + What has been the best improvement or addition in the last year? V3 seems faster, but I am still using VNG2.95 most of the time. So I haven't really benefitted from it. + If you decide to use IBrowse instead of V, why is that? Lack of space on my hard drive prevents me from trying IB. Otherwise, it would just be out of curiosity. + What feature is your biggest want? Quality printing. ...oh, and a Real Audio plug-in. + Have you got any general comments about the way we develop V? Unless there is a Amiga revival, Lazarus-style, with new machines etc, very soon we will be reduced to the level of a global users support group - with Voyager as the great link. (Or should that be NetConnect?) If this were to happen, could we then *all* be beta-testers?;-) And possibly continue V's development in a similar manner to the way Linux has evolved? Graham in Manchester, UK. -- "If Lazarus was raised from the dead...why isn't he still around now?" Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
[voyager] Re: What do you want in Voyager?
Hi, Then why are the WarpJPEG/PNG datatypes much faster than any 68k equivalent? I thought they weren't, which is why I made the comment :) I'm sure Neil Bothwick said that V's image decoding, using the optimised 060 image decoders was faster than using the PPC image decoders, under AWeb. I found his JPEG datatype to be very fast. It took less than 2 seconds to display (via multiview) a 1024x768 image, whereas the OS3.5 (admittedly not 060 optimised) took 8-10 secs. Having said that though, even voyage doesnt display them in less than 2 secs (after downloading and browsing offline - to allow for the dowload time ;) Cya, Steven. Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
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On 30-Mar-00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm I nearly forgot. There should be PPC image decoders and maybe html parser as well. Certainly under WarpUp :-) Kindly regards I dunna what you are quoting exactly, If I wrote ' ' I'm certainly not the only one :) Phil Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
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On 02-Avr-00 21:28:00, Gavin Kinsey wrote: But wasn't it 'proved' that PPC decoders would be no faster (or even a little slower) than highly optimised 060 image decoders? Then why are the WarpJPEG/PNG datatypes much faster than any 68k equivalent? Although, ppc decoders should not be a priority IMHO. A ppc layout engine on the other hand would be very good, but it depends on the code structure whether it is feasable or not. Datatypes don't do progressive display thus you don't need to flush caches all the time. -- David Gerber It's amazing how much "mature wisdom" resembles being too tired. Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
[voyager] Re: What do you want in Voyager?
Hi Ben On 29-Mar-00, you wrote: + What's your biggest problem with V? + What has been the best improvement or addition in the last year? + If you decide to use IBrowse instead of V, why is that? + What feature is your biggest want? I'd say my main problems with Voyager is the way it prints out, compared to the same printer on a PC its just completely different, the other is really Javascript which I know you are progressively working on. I use Voyager as my main browser and only revert to Ibrowse or Aweb if Voyager doesn't work with JS properly, in these cases it seems really strange but Aweb pretty much seems to work 90% of the time when Voyager doesn't. My biggest addition is definetely the JS support. I'd say my biggest want would be Realaudio support and a PDF viewer would also be very nice. Apart from the above probs I'd say Voyager is an excellent program. -- From : Wayne Pyrah - [ H y p e r B o y ] - Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England, UK -- Direct Fax : +44 870 740 2523 - Voicemail Service : +44 70 10 704 520 | Web Site : http://www.pyrah.co.uk -Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED]| One2One Mobile Email Service : [EMAIL PROTECTED] - max 1000 letters -- Join my website announcement list - http://www.pyrah.co.uk.listbot.com Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
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I received a message from Ben Preece, a reply follows, + What's your biggest problem with V? Badly laid out sites, usually where sections are supposed to be side-by-side and V puts them below each other. + What has been the best improvement or addition in the last year? Javascript. + What feature is your biggest want? Finish javascript and try to make more sites layout properly, i.e. handle broken code better. A realaudio plugin would be nice, but I know thats not possible unless/until the source is released. -- All life's answers are on TV. - Bart Simpson Gavin Kinsey Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
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Greetings... Chris On 30-Mar-00, Chris Wiles wrote: Somewhat incomplete HTML support (especially alignment). Yep, but I think we require more 'specifics', where possible. ie. if HTML is incomplete, what tags are missing and, where tags are missing, which ones do you want adding/supporting? Hmm... I will have to look closely at the ones that fail. But it happens a bit that things items that should be aligned side by side in V³ come out in below the other. I'll look for some of the sites this happens with and I will let you know. + What has been the best improvement or addition in the last year? Table rendering speed up along with image decoding, Mozilla spoofing. I would say table rendering is amazing, considering the speed of an 680x0 processor! Hell, even Netscape 4.x, on my Apple G3 (ie. many many times faster than an 060) is much (and I mean, much!) slower than V's :) Agreed. I thought my Amiga was slow until I compared it with girlfriends Pentium II 300Mhz machine. We would both load up our startup Excite! pages. The results were almost a dead heat. And this is on a machine that is orders of magnitude slower than the Pentium. Once again, kudos to Olli and Crew. It always amazes my friends that I am web surfing on a machine that I went to college with. My Amiga is going to be 9 years old in a week and its still kicking. I believe most of my room mates have gone through about 3-4 computers in the meantime. When I go back to V, running on an 060, it always amazes me just /how/ fast it is, considering the CPU considerations. If V was running natively, on my G3, I wouldn't be able to keep up :) Now if only the AmiJoe would come out... :) Chris. Fare thee well, Carlos A. Tirado Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
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On 30-Mar-00,* [EMAIL PROTECTED]*, of Planet Eros, wrote these Wise Words: Gil I'm not trying to bug you, Takes a heck of a lot more than THAT to bug me but someday I've the weird impression I've already lived that.. You have but Hey! I am an old coot... compared to many of these young puppies... (but there are older goats here as well.) Yep, I do tend to repeat myself, but then you gotta remember, I do tend to repeat myself... : ))) It is just that when someone says something that seems to forget that there are thousands of Amiga users without the benefits of AGA, I feel compelled to bring it to thier attention. Once I have my graphics card, I will probably get off that wagon and you will get a rest from me tending to repeat myself, cuz you know old goats repeat themselves : ))) Gil -- ~~ Gil Knutson's Pride and Joy ~~~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] - OS3.5 - Sardis, BC, Canada A3000/30/2+16 RAM + 240 meg Quantum + 1.06 gig Seagate + ZIP Drive MFCardIII+GVC 56k Speakerphone+Lexmark 4039 10R w/16meg THOR2.6, MUI3.8, MWB, Voyager3, AmIRC 2.0, AmFTP 1.65 (all reg) ~~~ The Amiga Shall Inherit the Earth If work is so terrific, how come they have to pay you to do it? Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
[voyager] Re: What do you want in Voyager?
On 30-Mar-00,* Norbert Roth*, of Planet Eros, wrote these Wise Words: » And, when I can afford it, I WILL buy AWeb... Before you'll do so, buy a gfx-board. ;-) I think you are the 34,560th person to suggest that... : ))) Does your Pentium also run on an 8 color screen or perhaps the iMac? ;-) Sometimes the speed difference is not noticable... : / [Not really ment as an offence.] None taken... or even thought of... To be serious, you can't expect an computer with an 10 year old gfx-system to be up to date, therefor you have to accepts shortcuts. You are right. I don't. However, I am very surprised at the lack of serious differences Except for the graphics selection, I feel the Amiga holds up frightenly well compared to the other systems I use. Yes, there are definite improvements in the newer systems, but not a huge as I would expect... assuming I am running a 25 mhz 030 and the others are either a 200 hz Pentium II, or a 330 mhz PPC WITH dedicated graphics cards BTW, I don't expect to surf the net with my old Apple computers, so... Surfing with my A3000 is not that different in concept. I think we have to be definitely amazed that it is still as viable as it is! Ah, and one more, my relatives are still alive, for god's sake, Count your blessings... my Dad has been gone for over 20 years and my mother for about 23... Anyone else reading this, take a moment to thank them for what they HAVE given you, no matter how small, cuz once they are gone, they are gone... I still wish I could phone up the Old Man and ask his advice : ( Oops, seriously off topic but since I was seventeen years old I never got any major financial help from them. Good for you! Nothing like independence. And to be on topic: There IS a topic Oh, yeah! : ))) IMHO it's very urgent to get a *fully working* JS support for V³ in the very near future, because if not, well, then I don't think that many people will spend money for an outdated product, that's reality! MOST definitely!!! [Keep in mind, the development of the Web moves on, == snip = YOUR points are excellent! Very well thought out. You have distelled the truth so well... for the Web *IS* changing by the *HOUR*, forget the day! Each time I turn around, some new thing is added. It is probably because there are hundreds of thousands of NEW people entering the WebWorld EACH DAY MOST will be getting new Windows based machines. (My wife and I just came from Costco, a huge discount club idea that sells /EVERYTHING/!!! They are selling an eMachine... for $799 Cdn, WITH a 15 inch monitor... They also have a decent 19 inch monitor there as well that was $800 a year ago, and is now down to $469!!! CDN!!! Progress, I guess!) The Amiga cannot hope to keep up unless there is a serious breakthrough! Our browsers have to be cutting edge to hope to interest anyone... I just installed IE5 on all the iMacs in our lab... well, the tech and I did anyway. Trying to keep up with programs and getting only 90% of what the Windows and MAC world had 3 months ago is NOT progress... as you say. Still, what is a guy to do? I do not hope to ever see Voyager translated over to the Pentium chip... : ))) IF that ever happens, the Amiga WOULD be dead and there would probably be no more development for the Amiga... IMESHO. Gil -- ~~ Gil Knutson's Pride and Joy ~~~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] - OS3.5 - Sardis, BC, Canada A3000/30/2+16 RAM + 240 meg Quantum + 1.06 gig Seagate + ZIP Drive MFCardIII+GVC 56k Speakerphone+Lexmark 4039 10R w/16meg THOR2.6, MUI3.8, MWB, Voyager3, AmIRC 2.0, AmFTP 1.65 (all reg) ~~~ The Amiga Shall Inherit the Earth If one synchronized swimmer drowns, do the rest have to drown too? Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
[voyager] Re: What do you want in Voyager?
On 10-Oct-10,* David C.*, of Planet Eros, wrote these Wise Words: Gil, I tried to send you a dtype that would make AWeb a little better, but your email addy bounced it. THAT is strange! I get hundreds of mails a day... I wonder why my ISP decided to bounce you? So, go to the Aminet and look for Jpeg Datatype 35 Thank you so much for the suggestion. I will do that! Gil -- ~~ Gil Knutson's Pride and Joy ~~~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] - OS3.5 - Sardis, BC, Canada A3000/30/2+16 RAM + 240 meg Quantum + 1.06 gig Seagate + ZIP Drive MFCardIII+GVC 56k Speakerphone+Lexmark 4039 10R w/16meg THOR2.6, MUI3.8, MWB, Voyager3, AmIRC 2.0, AmFTP 1.65 (all reg) ~~~ The Amiga Shall Inherit the Earth Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else. Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
[voyager] Re: What do you want in Voyager?
On 29-Mar-00, Ben Preece wrote: + What's your biggest problem with V? Having to constantly reload MooBunny posts several times before the palette comes out right. Difficult to set up the bookmarks for a single user not using Contact Manager. + What has been the best improvement or addition in the last year? Much more stable. + If you decide to use IBrowse instead of V, why is that? N/A + What feature is your biggest want? Complete JavaScript, complete CSS with DOM. Get somebody to finish Daytona so we can view Shout3D and use applets generally. Don't care about RealAudio or RealVideo. + Have you got any general comments about the way we develop V? Are you writing it to be as portable to new OSes (Neutrino, Intent) as possible? Are there plenty of comments in the code? Generally, I don't see how it could be done better within the budget. The Team Plans are much appreciated. It may be that for such a small team, too many programs are being worked on. Even with missing features, I still prefer using V to IE or Netscape (have both here). Regards -- Don Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
[voyager] Re: What do you want in Voyager?
Hello Ben BP + What's your biggest problem with V? Javascript. javascript. javascript. BP + What has been the best improvement or addition in the last year? the 3 in V3. BP + If you decide to use IBrowse instead of V, why is that? IB is getting closer and closer to V and has nifty additions too: * it looks very stable now, * The new download scheme seems very powerful, * the new opened fab menus are really nice too, * the search in page function is accessed easily * the Tabbed browser is very convenient (Great idea) * a few arexx command make it interfacable with lots of cool stuff, that V can't... The new 2.2 release made me use IB equally to V3, just because I know I can transfer url through rexx scripts, and eventually use an adapted wgetrexx script.. And it's true that it's faster than V... these things are minor but make a difference... Anyway the V find plugin is something I miss in IB, V's interface is much better too, despite the Tabbed window that is really very nice... Sorry but you asked (answers would've been different if the question had been asked a week before) BP + What feature is your biggest want? If you mean NEW feature, CSS/DHTML. Else, Javascript. BP + Have you got any general comments about the way we develop V? Amazing. Phil Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
[voyager] Re: What do you want in Voyager?
On 30-Mar-00, Sealey, M. wrote: The thing I'd like to see is CSS support. I believe IB2.2 has CSS support now, and the sites I visit with it look great. Like fuck it has (sorry for the swearing), IB2.2 doesn't have anything of the sort. Regards What it has is support for dynamic fonts. Not CSS yet. Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
[voyager] Re: What do you want in Voyager?
On 30-Mar-00, Gil Knutson wrote: On 29-Mar-00,* David C.*, of Planet Eros, wrote these Wise Words: Yer kidding, right? No I'm not. Voyager and AWeb are constantly being upgraded, and it had been many a moon since IB2.1 was first seen. Ahh I think you will find that IB2.2 is now out. BUT, on my machine, IBrowse works many times better than the other two... except when AW got JS first. Yup IB is way more stable for me. For a start it doesn't toast my machine every time I close it down. Really? Voyager looks great here. I'm sure it looks fabulous on a graphics card but for those of us without IBs image decoder kicks Vs ass on ECS and AGA. I do not know what chance there would be of you being able to see the same screen as I if I took a screen grab of the same site with V and IBrowse and sent them to you, but if you are game, let me know and we can give that a whirl. Then, if you could see what is on my screen you would not say you disbelieve it. I have tried this. Set up each browser side by side on the same MUI screen, load a nice pic with a good colour range and check out the difference. The less colours you use the better IB looks in comparison. Take the screen grab and view it with a viewer. I think I still have mine. If anyone wants to see it I can dig it out and post it (off list of course). Also, IB is no longer on the "front page" of HiSoft's web-site. Yes it is. Even if it is tucked away in a corner out of the way. And ? Part of the reason I buy BOTH is to make sure that BOTH are still encouraged to program, and I believe that the pride each has to be the best, is most often shaken when there IS a viable alternative... that competative edge is, in my way of thinking, a powerful prod to do better. Absolutely Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
[voyager] Re: What do you want in Voyager?
On 30-Mar-00, Sealey, M. wrote: The thing I'd like to see is CSS support. I believe IB2.2 has CSS support now, and the sites I visit with it look great. Like fuck it has (sorry for the swearing), IB2.2 doesn't have anything of the sort. What it has is support for dynamic fonts. Not CSS yet. Dynamic fonts is pushing it a bit. It makes a crap, twisted and badly implemented feature sound cool. Rudimentary, yet lacking, support for the FONT FACE tag would be more like it. -- Matt Sealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Distributed Systems Support Computer Centre University of Leicester Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
[voyager] Re: What do you want in Voyager?
"Stephen Lebed" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The thing I'd like to see is CSS support. I believe IB2.2 has CSS support now, and the sites I visit with it look great. No, it does not. There are currently no Amiga browsers with CSS support. -- |===| |Michael M Rye |Micronik Infinitiv A1200 Tower, Zorro II Backplane| |UNIX/DBA/C/HTML/Java| Blizzard 1240-40 MHz, 42 Meg RAM, 2.2 Gig HD | | Team AMIGA| Blizzard 1230 SCSI, Surf Squirrel, Supra 56e | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | NEC 16X SCSI-II CD-ROM, Seagate TapeStor 8000 | |===| | This space intentionally left blank. | |===| Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
[voyager] Re: What do you want in Voyager?
Hello Gil, on 30-Mär-00 you wrote : ...snipp [Intro - much about V³, IB and AWeb] » And, when I can afford it, I WILL buy AWeb... Before you'll do so, buy a gfx-board. ;-) » I did not use it much before because it did not do what I » wanted, in a way I want. I do not feel badly about » using it now because it is part of my 3.5 package, » but because I do not need it, I have not registered » it. I think I have used it a total of 5 times all » together... and that was just to check "new" versions » to see if they did what my Pentuim will not do... or » what my iMac at school will do. Does your Pentium also run on an 8 color screen or perhaps the iMac? ;-) [Not really ment as an offence.] To be serious, you can't expect an computer with an 10 year old gfx-system to be up to date, therefor you have to accepts shortcuts. BTW, I don't expect to surf the net with my old Apple computers, so... Ah, and one more, my relatives are still alive, for god's sake, but since I was seventeen years old I never got any major financial help from them. And to be on topic: IMHO it's very urgent to get a *fully working* JS support for V³ in the very near future, because if not, well, then I don't think that many people will spend money for an outdated product, that's reality! [Keep in mind, the development of the Web moves on, day by day, it's obvious that the WEB will move forward to a publishing platform, that means the documents shown up in the WEB will be the same one creates with his/her home software everyday, no special conversion to a HTML. E.g. there are attempts to bring PDF foward in that direction,...] Regards NR -- Remark of the day : If all be true that I do think, there are five good reasons we should drink. Good wine, A friend, or being dry, or lest we should be by and by. Or any other reason why. (Dean Aldrich) -- Amiga 2000 B/2060ERC - PicIV/Pic96 - 19" Iiyama S901GT 2/112 MB Chip/FastMem - 2x2.7 GB SCSI HD - 48 x SCSI CD-ROM And proud owner of a Apple G4 PowerMac Voyager Mailing List - Info Archive: http://www.vapor.com/ For Listserver Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "HELP" To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UNSUBSCRIBE"
