Re: Wireless AP was RE: MacOS X 10.3.3 etc
Let's go all the way. Weatherboard exteriors, lead lined interior cladding to fastwall. I can foresee one or two problems from a few quarters though! Bill Dr Bill Parker RENEW - Scientific and Technical writing editing in energy and resources. Box 322 Mt Lawley WA 6929 08 9371 6373 0403 583 676 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: members.westnet.com.au/renew/ Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Adam Yap [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MacOS X 10.3.3 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:39:16 +0800 Funnily enough, I think the easiest way might be to provide access to someone's wireless AP... perhaps firewalled so it can only be used for updates from Apple. I guess I don't have any particular objection to someone driving outside my place and doing that :) Thought it would be bizarre to have these guys milling outside all updating their OS' :) Adam On 16/03/2004, at 12:11 PM, J Philippe Chaperon wrote: -- 'He who receives a good turn should never forget it; he who does one should never remember it.' - Pierre Charron Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 14:08:04 +0800 From: Mark Secker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MacOS X 10.3.3 t=flow Funnily lol my AP barely reaches from my study to the lounge (a distance of less than 5 meters) I blame double clay brick interior walls... - so that's why new houses are being built single brick or dry-wall? to allow for wardriving? --
Re: MacOS X 10.3.3
On 16/03/2004, at 1:31 PM, Ryan Schotte wrote: And I will sleep better now James! Sure sounds like it might fix my favourite 'stupidly annoying bug' in 10.3.2's security... :) But 58.8MB! What's Apple trying to do, single-handedly kickstart the broadband industry? Well I suppose the alternative is 40-odd floppy disk images... Anything over 2Mb is a hassle without broadband, but this has been the dilemma with computing since they went from 16K to 64K of RAM. Software code expands to fill the space available. It always has and it always will. The answer has always been to buy more space. Now you need to buy more speed. But really, we are WAMUG after all. I'm sure that those of us with suitable technology will be happy to help fellow members who are unable to get broadband. I for one be happy to supply MacOS X 10.3.3, or any other large download for that matter, to any member by personal request. -- Peter Hinchliffe Apwin Computer ServicesFileMaker Pro Solutions Developer Perth, Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482Fax (618) 9332 0913 Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.
Re: MacOS X 10.3.3
just my 2c it took 5h 30m for the 56.8 meg file it came down w/o a glitch and during the internet peak hours..not bad at all interesting is since the introduction of osx the size of updates went straight to 50 meg it looks alike we have 2 James in this group... James SAD Technic Video Productions, Electronic repairs Bayswater WA 6053 +618 9370 5307, 0414 421 132 http://www.iinet.net.au/~saddas On 17/03/2004, at 8:03, Peter Hinchliffe wrote: On 16/03/2004, at 1:31 PM, Ryan Schotte wrote: And I will sleep better now James! Sure sounds like it might fix my favourite 'stupidly annoying bug' in 10.3.2's security... :) But 58.8MB! What's Apple trying to do, single-handedly kickstart the broadband industry? Well I suppose the alternative is 40-odd floppy disk images... Anything over 2Mb is a hassle without broadband, but this has been the dilemma with computing since they went from 16K to 64K of RAM. Software code expands to fill the space available. It always has and it always will. The answer has always been to buy more space. Now you need to buy more speed. But really, we are WAMUG after all. I'm sure that those of us with suitable technology will be happy to help fellow members who are unable to get broadband. I for one be happy to supply MacOS X 10.3.3, or any other large download for that matter, to any member by personal request. -- Peter Hinchliffe Apwin Computer ServicesFileMaker Pro Solutions Developer Perth, Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482Fax (618) 9332 0913 Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro
Re: MacOS X 10.3.3
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 08:33:04AM +0800, Peter Hinchliffe wrote: MacOS X 10.3.3 is now available via Software Update. For Ryan Schotte's interest: Improves security by requiring an administrator to authenticate for each Finder action that needs authentication, such as installing software. In earlier Mac OS X Panther versions, an administrator who authenticated may have unknowingly given elevated priviledges (sic) to the non-admin user for 5 minutes. This change also prevents a normal user from performing administrator actions if an administrator user has authenticated during their session.
Re: MacOS X 10.3.3
on 16/3/04 8:33 AM, Peter Hinchliffe at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MacOS X 10.3.3 is now available via Software Update. Hi WAMUGgers, Thanks for this info Peter. Is there some place in Perth where one could buy, for a nominal sum, this update or other Apple's large updates? My slow dial-up connection will take me just too long. I also noticed the other updates to my initial OS which are also too large for downloading. Many thanks, Philippe C -- 'He who receives a good turn should never forget it; he who does one should never remember it.' - Pierre Charron
distributing updates? wasRe: MacOS X 10.3.3
A year or so ago I would have given you my servers URL to allow you to at least download it from a local site but the antiquity of it and local security issues now prevent me form doing so. I'm guessing WAMUG has something similar though? there's also a regular CD of such things for financial members isn't there? maybe Apple need their update service to be like a bit-tolerant like p2p network (except that's a couple of dirty words outside of the gaming and W4rez crowd) on 16/3/04 8:33 AM, Peter Hinchliffe at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MacOS X 10.3.3 is now available via Software Update. Hi WAMUGgers, Thanks for this info Peter. Is there some place in Perth where one could buy, for a nominal sum, this update or other Apple's large updates? My slow dial-up connection will take me just too long. I also noticed the other updates to my initial OS which are also too large for downloading. Many thanks, Philippe C -- 'He who receives a good turn should never forget it; he who does one should never remember it.' - Pierre Charron -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro -- ~ Mark Secker Computer Support Officer ph#6488 1855 (ECEL) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Western Australia - CRICOS Provider No. 00126G ~ Only he who attempts the absurd is capable of achieving the impossible. - Miguel de Unamuno It takes an idiot to do cool things that's why it's cool - Haruhara Haruka (FLCL) http://ecel-mark.ecel.uwa.edu.au/~marksecker/index.htm (sometimes works)
Re: distributing updates? wasRe: MacOS X 10.3.3
on 16/3/04 12:24 PM, Mark Secker at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A year or so ago I would have given you my servers URL to allow you to at least download it from a local site but the antiquity of it and local security issues now prevent me form doing so. I'm guessing WAMUG has something similar though? there's also a regular CD of such things for financial members isn't there? maybe Apple need their update service to be like a bit-tolerant like p2p network (except that's a couple of dirty words outside of the gaming and W4rez crowd) Hi Mark, Well, it must be my age - memory failing. I forgot completely about the WAMUG CDs, and that would be a great way to obtain those massive updates. It's a pity though that one cannot get them from Mac magazines eg Mac Addict, MacWorld (UK US) etc, but then there's always the problem of area-specific OS etc. Kind regards, Philippe C
Re: MacOS X 10.3.3
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 08:33:04AM +0800, Peter Hinchliffe wrote: MacOS X 10.3.3 is now available via Software Update. For Ryan Schotte's interest: Improves security by requiring an administrator to authenticate for each Finder action that needs authentication, such as installing software. In earlier Mac OS X Panther versions, an administrator who authenticated may have unknowingly given elevated priviledges (sic) to the non-admin user for 5 minutes. This change also prevents a normal user from performing administrator actions if an administrator user has authenticated during their session. And I will sleep better now James! Sure sounds like it might fix my favourite 'stupidly annoying bug' in 10.3.2's security... :) But 58.8MB! What's Apple trying to do, single-handedly kickstart the broadband industry? -Ryan
Re: MacOS X 10.3.3
Funnily enough, I think the easiest way might be to provide access to someone's wireless AP... perhaps firewalled so it can only be used for updates from Apple. I guess I don't have any particular objection to someone driving outside my place and doing that :) Thought it would be bizarre to have these guys milling outside all updating their OS' :) Adam On 16/03/2004, at 12:11 PM, J Philippe Chaperon wrote: on 16/3/04 8:33 AM, Peter Hinchliffe at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MacOS X 10.3.3 is now available via Software Update. Hi WAMUGgers, Thanks for this info Peter. Is there some place in Perth where one could buy, for a nominal sum, this update or other Apple's large updates? My slow dial-up connection will take me just too long. I also noticed the other updates to my initial OS which are also too large for downloading. Many thanks, Philippe C -- 'He who receives a good turn should never forget it; he who does one should never remember it.' - Pierre Charron -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro
Re: Wireless AP was RE: MacOS X 10.3.3
I was at systems security conference last week and they showed how easy it was to hack a wireless network. The best home made antennae was actually a pringles can, not a Nescafe / Milo tin. This link http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/accessories/666e/ has a more professional version of the pringles can. Scared me off ever having a wireless network, well for the moment anyway. On Tuesday, March 16, 2004, at 02:08 PM, Mark Secker wrote: Funnily enough, I think the easiest way might be to provide access to someone's wireless AP... perhaps firewalled so it can only be used for updates from Apple. I guess I don't have any particular objection to someone driving outside my place and doing that :) Thought it would be bizarre to have these guys milling outside all updating their OS' :) even more bizarre would be if they all had Pringle or Nescafe tins (coffee tins don't go soggy in the rain) antennas pointed at your windows and were all wearing these http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/coder/60f0/ eh? lol my AP barely reaches from my study to the lounge (a distance of less than 5 meters) I blame double clay brick interior walls... - so that's why new houses are being built single brick or dry-wall? to allow for wardriving? -- ~ Mark Secker Computer Support Officer ph#6488 1855 (ECEL) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Western Australia - CRICOS Provider No. 00126G ~ Only he who attempts the absurd is capable of achieving the impossible. - Miguel de Unamuno It takes an idiot to do cool things that's why it's cool - Haruhara Haruka (FLCL) http://ecel-mark.ecel.uwa.edu.au/~marksecker/index.htm (sometimes works) -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro Stuart Elvish Business Development Manager TNet.com.au - Becoming Australia's Favourite Internet SERVICE Provider Mobile Telephone0433 133 601 (+61 433 133 601) Email Address [EMAIL PROTECTED] Direct Telephone08 9221 7874 (+61 8 9221 7874) Office Telephone1300 661 NET (1300 661 638) Direct Facsimile0433 133 598 (+61 433 133 598) Office Facsimile08 9221 3864 (+61 8 9221 3864)
Re: Wireless AP was RE: MacOS X 10.3.3
On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 14:19, Stuart Elvish wrote: I was at systems security conference last week and they showed howeasy it was to hack a wireless network. The best home made antennae was actually a pringles can, not aNescafe / Milo tin. This link http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/accessories/666e/ has amore professional version of the pringles can. Scared me off ever having a wireless network, well for the moment anyway. I use one, and I'm not too concerned about break-ins given how I have it configured. I have it hooked up to a dedicated port on our Linux router, with a firewall that requires an IPSec tunnel in order to allow traffic to pass to the Internet or the local LAN. This means I can also leave WEP and MAC-address restrictions disabled (after all, neither of them is as useful as it could be anyway) and provide local AP-based connectivity to others. They just can't get to my LAN or my DSL link. Unfortunately, this can be a fair bit of work and is more trouble than most want to go to. Craig Ringer
Re: distributing updates? wasRe: MacOS X 10.3.3
On 16/3/04 12:39 PM, J Philippe Chaperon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 16/3/04 12:24 PM, Mark Secker at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A year or so ago I would have given you my servers URL to allow you to at least download it from a local site but the antiquity of it and local security issues now prevent me form doing so. I'm guessing WAMUG has something similar though? there's also a regular CD of such things for financial members isn't there? maybe Apple need their update service to be like a bit-tolerant like p2p network (except that's a couple of dirty words outside of the gaming and W4rez crowd) Hi Mark, Well, it must be my age - memory failing. I forgot completely about the WAMUG CDs, and that would be a great way to obtain those massive updates. It's a pity though that one cannot get them from Mac magazines eg Mac Addict, MacWorld (UK US) etc, but then there's always the problem of area-specific OS etc. Kind regards, Philippe C Hi Philippe (and others) I am more than happy to provide a CD with the 10.3.3 Combo update and some of the other larger updates as well (Java 1.4.2 etc) for a nominal fee for my time/media. If you are interested please feel free to contact me off list. I am more than happy to help out. I hope to talk with you soon. Thanks in advance! Kind Regards Daniel Kerr --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Macintosh**
