[Wikimedia-l] Re: Happy #May17 #IDAHOT #IDAHOTBITQ

[Željko Blaće]

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 11:58 PM Željko Blaće  wrote:

> What is May 17th?
>
> The International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia was
> created in 2004 to draw the attention to the violence and discrimination
> experienced by lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, intersex people and all
> other people with diverse sexual orientations, gender identities or
> expressions, and sex characteristics. The date of May 17th was specifically
> chosen to commemorate the World Health Organization’s decision in 1990 to
> declassify homosexuality as a mental disorder. https://may17.org
>
> One year ago in 2020 we started QueeringW in hope #1 Queering Wikipedia
> conference would be happening with a year of delay...now we hope it is in
> 2022!
>
> Meanwhile we are "Together, we Resist, Support, and Heal"
> <https://twitter.com/may17org>
> Happy #May17 #IDAHOT #IDAHOTBITQ
> for those who celebrate and would support
> https://www.instagram.com/QueeringW
> @may17org <https://twitter.com/may17org> #IDAHOT
> <https://twitter.com/hashtag/IDAHOT?src=hashtag_click> #IDAHOT2021
> <https://twitter.com/hashtag/IDAHOT2021?src=hashtag_click>
> https://twitter.com/QueeringW
>

Dear Wikimedians, today is the 20th celebration of May17th the
International Day Against Homophobia, Lesbophobia, Biphobia, Transphobia
and Intersexphobia.
It is celebrated in the months that Wiki for Human Rights is happening yet
almost no activity was registered by biggest affiliates and social media
channels.
In fact LGBTIQ+ communities and individuals have been experiencing
backlashing on home wikies (increasing number of queer and feminist editors
have been blocked), funds have been reduced/denied and numerous Wikimedia
Foundation or Affiliate employees/contractors have been doing less work in
the community if not fully reverted to their private strategic safety of a
closet/selectively visible identities...All of this is happening in the
context where we are half way through to our Wikimedia 2030 Strategy period
and while we are constantly requested to celebrate openness of content with
joy if not euforia of pioneers.

Our issues are much more than fixing Wikipedias and its LGBTIQ+ content
gaps. Our issues are also basic safety that enables participation gap work
and basic equity in self-allocation of funds to close the resource gaps to
which officials turn the blind eye (aged metaphors of regional
distributions still dominate Wikimedia core conceptual frameworks). Hetero
(and Homo) normativity has been blocking change both actively and as
passive aggressive behaviour of those in power.

To quote Robbert Dijkgraaf, Minister for Education, Culture and Science of
the Netherlands: “Stop talking about inclusion. Talk about expansion.
Because it's not about whether you fit into our society. It's about whether
society expands to provide space for you. When society grows, it creates a
broader and richer environment for everyone to enjoy.”  This is an
invitation to consider is Wikimedia doing too little by advocating
tolerance and acceptance if no new models of work and structures of
organizing are encouraged to accommodate the spectra of differences.

Following the last Signpost mention
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Single/2024-05-16#In_the_media>
of No_queerphobia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_queerphobia we
would encourage individuals in all language communities to consider, with
safety in mind and in solidarity with others, doing actions of translating,
localizing or writing own essays that address their experiences and needs
(not naively expecting they are same for all and everywhere), so that at
least our bottom up efforts on our platforms could not be ignored.
Today we should all be in solidarity with those who have less chances to
live and act safely and openly, get heard, counted for and appreciated, be
supported, informed and empowered, as the motto of May17 for this year is “No
one left behind: equality, freedom, and justice for all”...

<https://www.instagram.com/QueeringW/>https://wikis.world/@QueeringW
<https://www.instagram.com/QueeringW/>https://www.instagram.com/QueeringW
https://forum.movement-strategy.org/t/happy-may17/5246

Z. Blace for QW2024 organization team
(former QueeringWikipedia event series)
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Next Conversation with the Trustees, 21 March

[Željko Blaće]

@ Valerio
@ ALL
+1
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Bulk change of licence for Flickr images without paying: Can WMF help?

[Željko Blaće]

Hi George - would you be able to help with this?
(I came across same issue but for lower amount of images)

On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 5:21 PM Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> I have come across two cases in recent weeks, where Flickr users have
> hundreds of potentially useful images that they are willing to change
> to an open licence, so that we can use them on Commons, and in
> Wikipedia and sibling projects.
>
> In each case, those users are not Flickr "Pro" (paid account)
> subscribers, and the feature to bulk change image licences is only
> available to Pro subscribers. Changing on an image-by-image basis is
> clearly untenable.
>
> While it is possible for a Wikimedia volunteer to buy as a gift a
> week-long pro subscription for a few US$, we should not have to, and I
> wonder if it would benefit the movement for the Foundation to ask
> Flickr to make the feature available for non-Pro users, who wish to
> make their images freely reusable? Do WMF have a suitable contact at
> Flickr?
>
> Who at WMF should I talk with about this?
>
> --
> Andy Mabbett
> @pigsonthewing
> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: We went big in 2023. Here's some of what didn't work:

[Željko Blaće]

Very interesting direction in communication to wider audience by
acknowledging mistakes and failures.

I hope for others in the field will follow and extend towards more
authentic communication and we see less PR tricks.

-- Forwarded message --
From: *Mozilla* 
Date: Friday, December 15, 2023
Subject: We went big in 2023. Here's some of what didn't work:
To: "zbl...@mi2.hr" 


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[image: Mozilla]

[image: ❤️ Mozilla ❤️]

Donate 
  Hello Z.,

Guess what? We make mistakes. We’re human!

This year we at Mozilla set out to take on more new initiatives, reach for
deeper impact, and go bigger than ever before. A lot of it went well – but
we've also had our fair share of fails, goofs, oopsies, and dadgummits in
2023. And so we thought, why not share with our supporters about times
where we tried things that didn't work out, or that went differently than
expected, or where we simply screwed up?

We thought you might appreciate transparency and honesty about our work,
even when it's not all sunshine and roses. And yes, at the end of this
email, we're going to ask if you can *add a donation to Mozilla's end of
year fundraising drive*
 – while
we won't promise perfection, we will promise transparency.

So, here’s a highlight of our lowlights and what we learned in 2023:
Mistake #1: Facebook Ads and Privacy Don't Mix
[image: Facebook in a mixing bowl]


We wanted to get more people to sign one of our petitions as part of a
campaign to get TikTok to be more transparent about how it shares user
data. Our marketing team decided to try their hand at running ads on
Facebook to reach people who might not be in the Mozilla universe yet.


*What went wrong:* Mozilla's commitment to user privacy is incompatible
with the data sacrifices required by Meta. Turns out, if you don’t use
Meta’s privacy-intrusive conversion pixel on your website – and you also
refuse to give Meta any of your data – there's little chance of driving
actions with their advertising.

*Lesson learned:* It is impossible to build a movement to hold tech
companies accountable while relying on the tools they want you to use.
We'll stick to places that better represent our values – because that's
also where we'll find people who are most committed to our movement.
Mistake #2: Storms Bring Us Together, But Make Your Backup Plans
[image: People watching a storm]


Mozilla Festival – better known as MozFest – is our global gathering of
artists, activists, researchers, policymakers, and technologists. This
year's MozFest event in Nairobi, Kenya focused on issues around a healthy
internet and trustworthy AI in Eastern and Southern Africa.


*What went wrong:* MozFest got hammered by some truly terrible weather – a
hail storm so bad and so loud it shut down a featured panel conversation;
winds too high to walk between buildings; and a tent even blew over! People
gathered together out of necessity and shared their own awful weather
stories. The next day, the sunlight revealed a group of people who had
literally weathered the storm together and built stronger bonds because of
it.

*Lesson learned:* Sometimes the worst storms bring us closer together. But
also, always have backup plans for how to hold your event.
Mistake #3: Worldwide Media Attention Affects Our Website
[image: Car driving off clift]


When we published our *Privacy Not Included Cars & Privacy buyer’s guide in
September, we knew it would cause a stir. But we didn't dream of the global
news coverage we actually got: *Der Spiegel, Le Monde, Washington Post, El
Pais, The Guardian, Times of India, Wired, * and even *Fox News* – *all in
one day*. (In retrospect, cars wanting to know about your sex life and
genetic information was a huge story.)


*What went wrong: *The part of our website with the buyer's guide
completely crashed. Like, BOOM, down it went, thanks to an unexpected
overwhelming amount of news coverage and traffic. There are some technical
reasons why it went down, but the short version is we hadn't retooled that
part of the website to be more efficient when a lot of people wanted to
look at 

[Wikimedia-l] #SharedResources: Live event time (Was: Sign up for the first language community meeting on November 17th, 16:00 UTC

[Željko Blaće]

Hi Srishti - thank you for advancing this work with a meeting. It has
been much needed for many of us that work in small language or small
projects, where internal capacities are not enough to resolve issues.
I hope this will be at least bi-monthly event.

On the other hand I see a bit of a same problem with pushing on
non-interactive presentations as content into live and interactive
formats (it already took more then 50% of meeting time).
Could we not have gotten at least some of this prerecorded and
distributed in advance? IMHO this would be more generous (to those who
have less time), care-rich (for those who need more language time
processing and-or assistance) and equitable (more time could be
allocated to different movement stakeholders to present).

Best Z. Blace
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: WIKIMOVE: The Past, Present, and Future of Wikimedia Affiliates

[Željko Blaće]

Thank you for sharing this. It was a much needed episode with dozens
of excellent points made by all. Excellents insights as always by
Andrew, but extra applause for fresh eyes and sobering inputs shared
from Elisabeth. We need more informed and experienced people entering
the movement to get the mic and speak of less-than logical aspects in
the Wikimedia ecosystems.
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[Wikimedia-l] info and credits on labour (Was: Wikimania sessions now on Commons)

[Željko Blaće]

On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 9:34 AM Gnangarra  wrote:
> Hi Z
> Gisca co-ordinated the process using a group of volunteers to cut the daily 
> recordings into single events. Some of them did upload to Commons but the 
> majority of that effort came from Butch.

Hi Gnangarra

I do not know who Gisca is (no such username), but from your input I
see volunteers might remain anonymous (was that their explicit wish?).
Good to see that Butch was able to close that part of work. I would
still appreciate it if there is more info to be shared as openly as
possible and credit all who worked on it in an adequate way.

For example QW2023 (1,5 tracks on 3days x6-7hours with 2,5 languages)
it took more than a week of work for a highly skilled professional
just to get it to YouTube in a good way...we could do better and more
still, but feasibility is something to discuss and will remain open if
we can not manage these workflows in informed and transparent way, so
it is possible to learn and advance, especially with Wikimania.

Best Z.
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimania sessions now on Commons

[Željko Blaće]

On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 1:44 PM Johan Jönsson  wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> The videos from the Wikimania sessions are now available on Commons:
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_2023_conference_video_recordings_by_day
> Huge thanks to everyone who helped make them available – there were many 
> videos to split, prepare and upload, a lot of work to be done.
>
> Best,
> Johan Jönsson
> Manager, Product Ambassadors
> Wikimedia Foundation

Thank you for the update!
Great that it is done...any more info on the process?
Who exactly helped and how much work was this to get to this?
IMHO these individuals deserve more than just being 'everyone' and
'thanks' - no? ;-)
Also if there is capacity it would be desirable for files to get
linked data somehow
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Wikimania_2023_-_AfroCROWD_Talk_on_Wiki_Diasporas.webm=history
or we just store on Commons as a free alternative to YouTube? Hope not.

Best Z.
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Mozilla's social media pledge

[Željko Blaće]

+1 Erik (all true and well said)
-1 David (probably before pandemic)

I do not see a reason why at least existing corporate social media
posts would not be mirrored?

Also (from the less positive glass is half empty perspective)...
as it took a year of 'evaluation' for WMF to do this,
it is strange these pages on instance are empty:

About:This information has not been made available on this server.
Server rules:This information has not been made available on this server.
Moderated servers:This information has not been made available on this server.


Warm regards!
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[Wikimedia-l] milestone(s) to be celebrated...

[Željko Blaće]

This really brings joy *(and hope)...
https://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Announcing_our_First_Nations_Wikipedian_In_Residence

Thank you Wikimedia Australia for doing it!
Thank you Julia for adding it to MS2023 Forum,
though it was not the summary made exclusively for it.

Best Z.

p.s.
should be published/discussed also on: Meta, Wikimedia-L, DIFF...
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: May 12⋮14⋮17 >> Queering Wikipedia 2023 Conference

[Željko Blaće]

Dear Participants and friends of Queering Wikipedia 2023
Today is day #2 of our 3 day event.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/QW2023/Schedule
Aside from our main bi-lingual zoom sessions
(to which you can still subscribe from the main page)
or just watch over channel https://youtube.com/@QueeringW,
we are doing workshops and informal unconference sessions
*(to which participants can still contribute and suggest BoF style)
both today and Wednesday using FLOSS platforms:

*JITSI* (the main server, Wikimedia's version is a mess)
*https://meet.jit.si *
*BBB* (freshly updated instance of feminist friends)

*https://bbb.ConstantVzw.org *
(+alternative BBB instance via Austria)

Please make sure to have compatible browsers
(fresh chrome based seem to work reliably on desktops/mobile)
and an account registered on BBB if you present-translate.
Also consider leaving extra desktop memory for this,
having your slides both as editable GoogleSlides and .PDFs
(which are nicer to display in BBB recordings).

We might try to do simultaneous translation in
BBB and/or JITSI rather than just successive,
but if it fails we revert back to more simple-longer successive.
Josh, Andre and I will be around to help,
but none of us is fully routine in all aspects of tools.

PLEASE do join our topical Telegram group for QW2023
with topics like: #Tech support and #Queestions for speakers!
https://t.me/+6vobNjjR8vg5NjI0


Best Z. Blace

p.s.
UnConference updates so far:

@13:00 UTC on BBB
//WORKSHOP: LGBT+ and Friendliness - What Do We Need and How Do We Do *(by
User:Imcat with Josh Lim support)

@17:00 UTC on JITSI
// Questions and Answers: How Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees work?
*(Victoria Doronina)
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[Wikimedia-l] List REPLY settings? *(Was: Re: Invitation to WikiAfrica Hour episode 25)

[Željko Blaće]

Sorry to keep bringing this up every few months,
but if there is no self-discipline and/or moderation over list,
can we at least change List REPLY settings to not default to all
but to be a specific email sender?

Thank you for considering!

On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 4:08 PM Belinda Mbambo  wrote:
> Hi Ces, how are you ?
> Can you talk on mobile right now\?
>
> Belinda Mbambo
> Senior Manager: Global Movement Communications
> Wikimedia Foundation
>
>
> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 10:45 PM Ceslause Ogbonnaya 
>  wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> WikiAfrica Hour episode 25 is the launch of Wikimedia Foundation's Open the 
>> Knowledge Journalism Awards! These awards will celebrate the contributions 
>> of journalists who prioritize diversity, equity and inclusion in their 
>> reporting, thereby adding to the ecosystem of fact-based stories that the 
>> public can draw on to add and verify knowledge on Wikipedia and Wikimedia 
>> projects.
>>
>> This year’s awards will be focused on the African continent.
>>
>> Guests include:
>>
>> Romeo Ramora - Member, Open the Knowledge Journalism Awards Working Group
>> Olaniyan Olushola - Member, Open the Knowledge Journalism Awards Working 
>> Group
>> Winnie Kabintie - Member, Open the Knowledge Journalism Awards Working Group
>> Gwadamirai Majange - Member, Open the Knowledge Journalism Awards Working 
>> Group
>>
>> Date:3rd May 2023.
>> Time:4pm UTC.
>> Details: http://w.wiki/5dft
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: May 12⋮14⋮17 >> Queering Wikipedia 2023 Conference

[Željko Blaće]

UPDATE:
In exactly a week from now we will open QW2023
and you can be in first rows if you check program,
check in and register now or this weekend...
otherwise we can not guarantee your registration
will be processed and checked (safety regulations)
in time and approved for priority access.

NOTE:
We have registration also in SPANISH!
We need your help in promotion...
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/QW2023
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: May 12⋮14⋮17 >> Queering Wikipedia 2023 Conference

[Željko Blaće]

In 10 days on Friday May 12th at noon (UTC)
we are going to open the Queering Wikipedia 2023 Conference
with a keynote of Dr. Nishant Shah +6 hours of online program
https://forum.movement-strategy.org/t/qw2023-1-day-dia/3042
...then following Sunday 14th and Wednesday 17th same time
https://forum.movement-strategy.org/t/qw2023-2-day-dia/3043
https://forum.movement-strategy.org/t/qw2023-3-day-dia/3044
please consider to check it out, check in
*(Wikimedia accounts work)
and join us!

https://twitter.com/QueeringW
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: May 12⋮14⋮17 >> Queering Wikipedia 2023 Conference

[Željko Blaće]

Next Office Hour of QW2023 is in Spanish (with EN translation)
and is slightly later tomorrow to center on Latin America,
so please reach out to fellow Wikimedians and LGBTIQ+
activists that might want to have a good overview of all
and see how they can contribute and participate!

As always please register!
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/QW_Office_Hours#Session_9:_Spanish_language_info_session_focused_on_Latin_America

Z. Blace - for QW2023 organizing team
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: May 12⋮14⋮17 >> Queering Wikipedia 2023 Conference

[Željko Blaće]

On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 10:38 AM Victoria Doronina 
wrote:

> Hello Zeljko,
>
> I see that this is the second call for proposals. Are you interested in
> the Board representation on the conference?  For example, a Q and A session?
>

Yes we are interested, but ideally not quite as loose as just Q session.
It would be good to know who of the Board members could commit
to both dates of conference and would be able to speak in regards
to their specific work and responsibilities, rather than to keep it generic
as are regular Board online consultation hours.
Could we discuss this in an online call next week with Board members
who are interested and would have something specific to share?

Best Z. Blace

Best
>
> VIctoria
>
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 10:01 PM Željko Blaće  wrote:
>
>> In the countdown to the last 30 days to QW2023
>> we will be publishing updates on our
>> event plans, program, participants,
>> information and inspiration
>> to join us.
>> Also
>> please consider
>> to spread the word
>> follow our socials/federate
>> https://wikis.world/@QueeringW
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/QW2023/Volunteer
>>
>> Z. Blace - for QW2023 organizing team
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: May 12⋮14⋮17 >> Queering Wikipedia 2023 Conference

[Željko Blaće]

In the countdown to the last 30 days to QW2023
we will be publishing updates on our
event plans, program, participants,
information and inspiration
to join us.
Also
please consider
to spread the word
follow our socials/federate
https://wikis.world/@QueeringW
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/QW2023/Volunteer

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Open proxies and IP blocking

[Željko Blaće]

A year later...

This is a call for possible collaboration on info/skill-share if not
more in relation to Wikimedia and DNS. On the same weekend of
Wikimedia Hackathon 2023, there is also a DNS focused hackathon in
Rotterdam with open call for proposals.
https://labs.ripe.net/author/johanna-eriksson/connect-to-port-53-join-the-dns-hackathon-2023/
...

... consider to join forming a proposal
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T332971

Best wishes - Z. Blace

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 6:52 PM Željko Blaće  wrote:
>
> I just got in touch with RIPE.net folx who have a conference now in Berlin 
> and they seem to be interested in helping.
>
> John would be in a good position as former RIPE now WMF staff to evaluate 
> this and follow up.
>
> Best wishes - Z. Blace
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 5:05 PM Florence Devouard  wrote:
>>
>> I have not further commented because I did not feel I could help further at 
>> this point. But I wanted to point out that the issue is still on my 
>> "concerns" list :)
>>
>> I am looking forward to read your findings when process is completed.
>>
>> Flo
>>
>> Le 12/05/2022 à 01:02, Niharika Kohli a écrit :
>>
>> Hi Butch,
>>
>> Thanks for your suggestions. On our end, the Wikimedia Foundation Product 
>> department is currently undertaking stakeholder discussions in all the areas 
>> you mentioned to understand the problem from all different perspectives. As 
>> we go through this process we are also looking at potential technical 
>> solutions that would reduce some of the pain points that have been brought 
>> up both here and on the talk page. There are some existing recommendations 
>> on this mailing list and the meta page that are good starting points for 
>> these discussions.
>> We will be summarizing our findings and sharing them on this list and the 
>> talk page once we have completed this process. If anyone has direct 
>> feedback, my inbox is always open.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 7, 2022 at 9:59 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>
>>> Let me suggest three things:
>>>
>>> 1. For Outreach events, campaigns, GLAM events that conduct new user 
>>> training and editathons, the Foundation Programs Team 
>>> (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Campaigns/Foundation_Programs_Team) should 
>>> proactively coordinate with event organizers and/or foundation grant 
>>> applicants and offer assistance to link them with administrators to grant 
>>> IP exemptions or account creation / event organizer rights.
>>>
>>> 2. For WMF Movement Communications Team and Foundation Product Development 
>>> Team to conduct stakeholder discussions (end users, event organizers, 
>>> active editors) including this mailing list, talk pages, virtual / video 
>>> conferences and come up with a thorough document summarizing the feedbacks. 
>>> We should not end decisions on Talk pages and mailing list alone.
>>>
>>> 3. For the technology team & tech community to come up with an update on 
>>> the 18 year old IP block policy that is target bad faith editors and 
>>> balancing it with middle to low income communities (Africa, South and 
>>> Southeast Asia, Pacific Islands, South America) with shared internet 
>>> infrastructure such as mobile data/ school internet connections.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Butch
>>> Southeast Asia
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[Wikimedia-l] May 12⋮14⋮17 >> Queering Wikipedia 2023 Conference

[Željko Blaće]

In 2 months from now Queering Wikipedia 2023 Conference
will be held (in hybrid mode online with offline 'nodes')
as trans-local events on 3 days of May:
Friday 12th, Sunday 14th and Wednesday 17th
- known for International Day Against Homophobia.

Abbreviated as QW2023 the event is following efforts
and events in 2020, 2021, 2022 in hope
that future will bring more diverse incarnations
for queering not only Wikipedia, but also Wikimedia
and conference making itself...

...in one week we are closing the #2 round
of Calls for Content Proposals for QW2023 and
start publishing first fixed program details.
After the #2 round QW2023 will only exceptionally
consider proposals in the areas recognized
as gaps that need urgent addressing.

For more details check out
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/QW2023
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/QW2023/Call_for_proposals
...and consider to join us for live chats online on Mondays
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/QW_Office_Hours

For QW2023 organizing team Z. Blace
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[Wikimedia-l] #NETIQUETTE for mailing-lists (WAS: [Wikimania-l] Re: Confirming being re-subscribed)

[Željko Blaće]

Forwarding this as important and missing on this list also.
(thank you Levon!)

-- Forwarded message -
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Subject: [Wikimania-l] Re: Confirming being re-subscribed
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Dear all,

Kindly note:
1) this mailing list has hundreds subscribers;
2) the mailing list is not a chat/messenger, it is should consist only the
important information, so no one will miss it;
3) overcrowding the mailing list with non-mandatory personal short
replies/requests is not polite, as you should remember that hundreds of
people will read it.

If you have any requests/questions, please address them privately to the
single recipient of your request/question, not hundreds of people that have
to read it.
If you would like to thank someone from the mailing list, please do so
privately, avoiding hundreds of people reading it.

Finally, I would like to apologize for sending this essential email that
everyone has to read, but I hope at least this one will stop the continuing
requests/questions/replies on private matters.

Thank you for understanding, and have a nice day.

Best regards,
Levon
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia_ns on fediverse (Was: Re: Mozilla's social media pledge)

[Željko Blaće]

OK now I feel that a bit of Subject-line change was due :-)

Thanks for bumping this up via Moz efforts David
and all for picking this up for the Wikimedia bubble.

On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 3:35 AM Kunal Mehta  wrote:

> On 12/20/22 16:16, David Gerard wrote:
> > Legoktm runs https://wikis.world which a small number of Wikimedians
> > and WIkimedia groups are already on.
>
> Thanks for promoting us! To clarify, this is absolutely a group effort,
> with Taavi, Lucas Werkmeister, and Nemo_bis being some of the main
> people involved.
>

Thank you for leading and opening up effort + not waiting for the perfect
(...the enemy of...) as you also had personal urgency, good combo :-)
https://web.archive.org/web/20221012062404/https://mastodon.technology/@legoktm/109123388844105212

Our goal is to build the community organically, so we can take the time
> to properly scale up moderation resources, write documentation, etc. You
> can browse through our pretty vibrant local timeline,
> , with people discussing public domain
> day, redactle scores, unattributed use of photos, software patches, and
> more!
>
> More details and information on how to get an account at
> .
>

Nice to see there is a start of self-documentation effort also
so learning can start for those who want to help or self host.
Nice to see a few affiliates already there with official accounts.
I subscribed to help + would love to online meet ... in January?



> > But yes - recommended best practice for organisations is to run their
> > own instance. Putting an instance up on a domain you own is also a
> > clear stamp of authenticity.
>
> I would say that for most chapters/user groups, running their own
> instance is a lot of work and overkill; having an account on a regional
> or thematic server would be better. For larger organizations (like the
> WMF), it's definitely doable and really should be done.
>

In my experience (with few efforts over the years) different needs form
largely strategies including people having separate accounts for projects
and different aspects of their lives, but also when grouped different
policies
especially with the level of moderation, but also form, identity and
formality
*(most of my artists friends run super open, queer friends fairly closed
pods).

So on that note, a big shout out to Wikimedia Deutschland for setting up
> ! It's really great to see.
>

Oh Yes - combination of having FLOSS-push and resources helps.
FLOSS Hub (anyone?) would be even better for wider deployments.

> Twitter has stayed up so far, but bits are visibly falling off. The
>

It is a pity that Twitter needed to become (obviously) toxic
for this level of open software/standards discussions to scale up.


> > assorted official Wikimedia accounts should be posting in the main
> > federation too, from an official presence.
>
> My understanding is that the WMF has some confidential position on this
> that it is explicitly choosing not to share with community members.[1]
>
> [1] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T323837#8442502
> -- Kunal / Legoktm


I doubt there is controversy or business secrets there.
Unfortunately it seems that much of WMF's opacity
is preemptive workplace (safety) and PR (risk) dynamics
:-/


Best Z. Blace
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia MediaWikis for Blogging?

[Željko Blaće]

Are there any good practices of using
Wikimedia MediaWikis for Blogging
or good reasons not to do it?
(I see Meta/Outreach/MediaWiki.org
have no Special:CreateBlogPost)

I see big benefits if blogging is about Wikimedia.
Shortcomings I can imagine are potentially with:
vandalism, limited visual design + embedding options,
Confusions with User vs. Main namespace…
any others?

Best - Z. Blace
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Decision of WLM in Ukraine organizers not to submit photos for the international round

[Željko Blaće]

Dear Olga and WLM Ukraine - your work is impressive and your efforts to
bring visibility and point to issues with WLM in 2022 are also.

I can empathize with the feeling one gets when others are benevolent to
recognize and act on what seems obvious *(as  someone who experienced war
aggression in all of my homelands, first SFR Yugoslavia, then Croatia and
Bosnia & Herzegovina. I do agree that the WLM 2022 international team
should not process Russian photos in a competitive way against Ukrainians
and I wish this was raised as an issue more publicly. WLM had issues also
before with inertia and no capacity and/or good will to recognize problems
on national levels. Here I agree with Peter on* no good options *but this
is no excuse for not exploring good-enough or better-than options!

I am hopeful that your work will sustain and that soon enough you will
inform and inspire systemic change in Wikimedia.
Meanwhile I hope WMF can practically support your work at least with
material resources to reduce some of the hardships.

In solidarity - Z. Blace
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Vote for your favourite sound logo

[Željko Blaće]

Hi Kosta!
I think Paulo was aware of this process (but not details),
but maybe was not super clear in critique around aesthetics
(where I agree most submissions are sub-optimal for use)
and around priority with resources allocated...

>From what I see in the team listing (from N. America and UK),
partnering (UK agency folx) and length of project (2 years)
it was a fairly costly project with questionable results+method.

If this would have been community initiated project,
just planningit and fundraising with WMF would take easily
6 months, with cost bigger than any of the hub pilots so far
and it would likely be a misery of work to defend it.

Anyway - what (and how) is done is done.

Would be nice to get non terrible first version of sound logo,
as well as some report on resources used and engagement,
ideally done under the similar to what community projects
of this scale (if they even exist) need to do... No?

Then we can maybe (costly) learn how to do (even) better
for the Sound Logo v.2 ;-p

Best - Z. Blace


On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 12:32 PM Kosta Harlan  wrote:

> It's nicely summarised in the Diff post (
> https://diff.wikimedia.org/2022/12/06/vote-for-the-sound-of-all-human-knowledge/
> ):
>
> > We’ve been talking about a sound logo for quite some time. Virtual voice
> assistants are growing in use and popularity around the world. Wikimedia
> content is everywhere too, but often not correctly or consistently
> identified. A sound logo is a brief collection of sounds usually between 1
> and 4 seconds. Our sound logo will be a new way to identify Wikimedia
> content across a range of auditory uses and devices.
>
> HTH,
> Kosta
>
> On 7. Dec 2022, at 09:51, Paulo Santos Perneta 
> wrote:
>
> Look, I'm sorry, but I have to say this.
> I have not the least idea why WMF is using the resources on this. Was this
> a priority, or even needed? What does it serve for?
> And, as someone with hypersensitivity to part of the sound spectrum, I
> sincerely hope you don't use any of those cacophonic screams or whatever
> they are in any noticeable place.
>
>  I'm really puzzled why this has been done at all.
>
> Paulo
>
> Mehrdad Pourzaki  escreveu no dia terça,
> 6/12/2022 à(s) 15:23:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Voting  in
>> the Wikimedia sound logo contest has started [1]. Crowds, pages turning,
>> drums, chimes, vocals, and the sound of keyboards typing. Wikimedia is
>> alive with sound, music, and everything in between. From December 6 to 19,
>> 2022, please play a part
>>  and help
>> identify the Sound of All Human Knowledge. Voting is open until 19
>> December, 23:59 UTC. Learn more on Diff
>> 
>> [2].
>>
>> The sound logo team is grateful to everyone who participated in this
>> global contest. We received 3,235 submissions from 2,094 participants in
>> 135 countries. We are incredibly grateful to the team of volunteer
>> screeners
>> 
>> and the selection committee
>> 
>> who, among others, helped to bring us to where we are today. It is now up
>> to Wikimedia to choose its sound logo.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> The sound logo team
>>
>>
>> [1] Vote for the Sound of All Human Knowledge:
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Sound_Logo_Vote
>> [2] Learn more on Diff:
>> https://diff.wikimedia.org/2022/12/06/vote-for-the-sound-of-all-human-knowledge/
>> [3] Screening 3235 submissions:
>> https://diff.wikimedia.org/2022/10/31/screening-3235-sound-submissions/
>> [4] The Selection Committee:
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Sound_Logo/Contest_proposal#How_will_the_final_selection_happen
>> ?
>>
>>
>>
>> *Mehrdad Pourzaki*
>> Lead Movement Communications Specialist
>> wikimediafoundation.org
>>
>>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Vote for your favourite sound logo

[Željko Blaće]

Funny how most of them follow the same sonic structure, but miss the
elegance of Windows 95 startup sound done by Brian Eno.
https://themusicnetwork.com/the-odd-story-of-how-brian-eno-composed-the-windows-95-startup-sound/
If there is no obvious winner, maybe we can ask to release for wikipedia
one of the 83 leftovers ;-)
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wiki Loves Sport 2022

[Željko Blaće]

Thank you Camelia!

Is anyone interested in extending work on this theme at least on Wikidata
and Commons (or across Wikimedia) I would be interested to work on Sport
and Equity outside beyond just Wikipedia and competition format.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wiki_Loves_Sport#beyond_Wikipedia_and_article_writing

Best Z. Blace

On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 2:57 PM Camelia Boban 
wrote:

> Hello everyone.
> WikiDonne project[1], in
> collaboration with the Sport project in Italian Wikipedia presents the
> fourth edition of Wiki Loves Sport campaign[2].
>
> The campaign ideated and run by WikiDonne User Group includes a contest
> in any language of Wikipedia related to sport in general, with the
> emphasis on diversity on sport (women, LGBTQIA+, para
> athletes biographies, minorities etc).
>
> The event, which ends on December 20th, covers various international sport
> competitions of 2022: 2022 World Triathlon Championship Series, 2022 FIBA
> Women's Basketball World Cup, 2022 European Women's Handball Championship
> , 2022 World Judo Championships, 2021 Women's Rugby World Cup[3], 2022
> FIFA World Cup[4], just to give some names.
>
> Everybody is welcome to write about the preferred sport, team or athlete
> which biography is missing in Wikipedia,
> Camelia
>
> [1] https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progetto:WikiDonne
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Loves_Sport_2022
> [3] https://en.wikany ipedia.org/wiki/2021_Rugby_World_Cup
> [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_FIFA_World_Cup
>
> --
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>
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>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Queering Wikipedia 2022 Meeting on Friday & Saturday (October 21-22)

[Željko Blaće]

On 10/20/22, Željko Blaće  wrote:
> Dear ALL,
> Wikimedia LGBT+ and organizing team of Queering Wikipedia is holding a
> Queering Wikipedia 2022 Meeting for LGBT+ Wikimedians and allies.
>
> The program will start with an informative* and inspirational,
> social and cultural activity on Friday 21st October at 18:00 UTC
> and working sessions on Saturday 22nd from 14:00 until 18:00
> with an informal follow-up.
>
> This is an inward facing event in a Meeting format
> and we hope to have it as a major milestone for self-organizing.
>
> If you have been an active Wikimedian, contributing on LGBT+ topics,
> supporting LGBT+ activities or if you identify as part of the larger
> LGBT+ community and allies in Wikimedia, please come help us build our
> network of LGBT+ Wikimedians, set goals and develop our organization.
>
> We will be meeting online using the Zoom platform, but encourage you
> to join in person with fellow Wikimedians if easy and safe. Our
> working languages are English and Spanish.
>
> More information, and registration details, may be found on Meta
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/QW2022
>
> Thank you!
>
> Z. Blace for QW2022 organization team
> and Wikimedia LGBT+ User Group


Gentle reminder of program and aims for today:
(registration is extended until last hour till start)

Sessions will be split in 45 and 30minutes lengths and
include (#1 hour) presentations on Wikimedias and LGBT+ work,
(#2 hour) updates from the User Group and governance,
and finnaly (#4 hour) Queering Wikipedia project
history, current and immediate plans for 2023.

Help us build a robust network of LGBT+ Wikimedians
and allies, set goals, develop organization and structures
towards sustainable work and supportive experiences.
Please consider how to respond to issues faced
by LGBTQ+ editors, organizers, officials and
plan with us next coordinated and/or collaborative
steps forward... In solidarity!

Z. Blace for QW2022 organization team
and Wikimedia LGBT+ User Group
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[Wikimedia-l] Queering Wikipedia 2022 Meeting on Friday & Saturday (October 21-22)

[Željko Blaće]

Dear ALL,
Wikimedia LGBT+ and organizing team of Queering Wikipedia is holding a
Queering Wikipedia 2022 Meeting for LGBT+ Wikimedians and allies.

The program will start with an informative* and inspirational,
social and cultural activity on Friday 21st October at 18:00 UTC
and working sessions on Saturday 22nd from 14:00 until 18:00
with an informal follow-up.

This is an inward facing event in a Meeting format
and we hope to have it as a major milestone for self-organizing.

If you have been an active Wikimedian, contributing on LGBT+ topics,
supporting LGBT+ activities or if you identify as part of the larger
LGBT+ community and allies in Wikimedia, please come help us build our
network of LGBT+ Wikimedians, set goals and develop our organization.

We will be meeting online using the Zoom platform, but encourage you
to join in person with fellow Wikimedians if easy and safe. Our
working languages are English and Spanish.

More information, and registration details, may be found on Meta
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/QW2022

Thank you!

Z. Blace for QW2022 organization team
and Wikimedia LGBT+ User Group
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[Wikimedia-l] Response to Yair Rand's proposal (Was: Re: Open letter of support for Les sans pagEs)

[Željko Blaće]

Dear Yair Rand (saying this honestly not as a form), with all respect to
your much engaged and always informative contributions on many topics (from
which I learned so much), I would have to respond this time with some extra
positions you and others might want to consider as inline comments and
observations from 'other' angles...

On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 2:26 AM Yair Rand  wrote:

> Without having looked into the actual substance of whatever dispute is
> going on among frwiki and LSP, I want to put forward some good general
> principles:
>

I think it is generous of you to invest time in proposing these principles,
but I would rather see it as a separate thread and maybe on Meta then here
where focus is a very personal case in a very specific context. I will try
to explain why and hope you can assume good faith as I do for yours.

I fear that by generalizing it almost immediately but not indicating it as
an Meta RfC you do not help advance either direction as much as I think you
wanted.
This is a very dangerous but an established pattern for Wikimedians. It
kind of maintains the status quo, while each old-school contributor feels
they can pat themselves on their shoulders, as if something is done, while
actually it is stalled, derailed or even suspended indefinatly.*


> * The individual hiring and firing decisions of our organizations should
> be under the exclusive jurisdiction of the entities assigned those
> responsibilities. Public community pressure should not be able to get
> someone fired or hired, or prevent any particular hiring or firing
> decision. A public protest against someone's hiring is unproductive and
> damages the collaborative environment.
>

This sounds overly generic and somewhat naive... if we would live in a
world of uniformed abstraction and absolute values, sure easy to agree. We
do not.
The Environment is not by the norm collaborative, but participatory, so all
the coordination and collaboration is extra that needs focused and constant
(intelectual, social and emotional) labor, that is unlike the technical
MediaWiki tool a far less obvious component.


> * Responding to a community's attitude by sending out a monodirectional
> communication, organized off-wiki and listing supporters' affiliate
> positions, is basically the most conflict-oriented way possible to approach
> this.
>

I hear what you say and I can empathise with efforts to diffuse conflicts
but I can not agree with this in content or form.
Firstly I would hope Wikimedians stop assuming a singular community. In the
Wikimedia ecosystem of super diverse individuals with different levels of
anonymity, visibility, vulnerability and also social, cultural, political,
material capital, we are at best coordinated and synchronized communities
and formal entities with shared goals, but neither our positions, means,
motivations or methods are shared. Maybe there was a historical moment
where proximity and difference was smaller and one could stretch it to call
all things Wikimedia a single community, but after 20 years this feels a
bit like celebratory PR, that is counter-productive to accepting more
complex relational realities.
Assuming that one model of organizing and doing communication work off wiki
is somehow less authentic I fear is part of that logic.
Not everything was/is/would be done on Wikis for the assumed 'credibility'
and 'peace'...this is just not an option for many who are less privileged.

How an affiliate manages their individual hires is the affiliate's
> business. HR activities are complicated, and do not need to be handled in
> the public sphere. If an affiliate wants to hire whoever, the community
> doesn't get to veto it.
>

I fully agree with this.


> How a community reacts to an affiliate's actions is their own business.
> Affiliates do not get a say in local community affairs.
>

If both are in relatively 'healthy' dynamics I would also easily agree.
Sometimes they are not.


> A usergroup's or chapter's collective opinion is completely irrelevant in
> a community dialogue.
>

I would love for you to be explicit about what You assume a community is
and where one can set up markers of its borders.
Also how starting multiple points on wiki targeting a single person is
potentially fitting in your vision of a _dialogue_?
(I am sorry if this sounds like conflicting, I would have invited you for
an over the drink discussion if we were closer)


> If the community wants to ban someone, or even the entire membership of a
> group, they can do that, and affiliates don't get to veto it.
>
> (Seriously: It doesn't matter if you're the WMF's Board Chair, the CEO, or
> whatever, you don't get an extra vote in an RfC.)
>

Sure, but was this an RfC? Was this a vote related situation? How does this
even start to relate to targeted individual?


> (It should go without saying that hostile/uncivil behaviour, harassment,
> and accusations of bad faith are not acceptable.)
>
> Everyone, please stay in your lane. This 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Invitation to join the Movement Strategy Forum

[Željko Blaće]

On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 7:15 AM Gergő Tisza  wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 8:22 AM Samuel Klein  wrote:
>
>> + Automatic translation of discussions is essential, tangibly useful for
>> our communities, and very satisfying.
>>  --> how can we bring this to Mediawiki?  This is a core question for
>> community health, movement development, and tech.  It is a straightforward
>> concept, not exclusive to Discourse, and we should learn from it.
>>
>
> I filed T309920  a while ago,
> it has some technical details. IMO it's doable (although things usually
> turn out harder than they look when they have to be built on top of an
> unstructured soup of wikitext, but AIUI the Editing team has done some
> great foundational work to make MediaWiki discussion pages more manageable,
> so maybe these days that's less of an issue) but it would be a largish
> project that would have to be slotted into the WMF's annual planning.
>

Thank you for this info. I hope it can be realistic and a priority for the
next annual plan.


>
>
>> + Forum threading and features (tags, emotes) are nice, beloved by some.
>>
>
> They aren't "nice", they are essential for scaling discussion. Just like
> you can't manage thousands of articles without some kind of category
> system, you can't manage thousands of discussions without some kind of
> tagging system. And likes or reacjis allow scaling up the number of
> participants without excluding anyone from the discussion who is unwilling
> to spend several hours a day on reading new comments - they both cut down
> on the number of comments, and allow software to highlight the most
> important or most representative comments.
>

Well said...will only add that even most simple option to add 'like'-like
feedback makes huge difference as it at least partly cuts down on extra
messages that feel like unnecessary spam in big mailing-lists and telegram
groups (those that did not turned on that recent feature).



>
>  --> how might we support integrating discourse into a) mediawiki, b)
>> interwiki links? (so that a forum post could link to *m:Power_structure*,
>> and a meta post could link to *f:Wikischool*)
>>
>
> MediaWiki is concept-addressable; forum software aren't because they need
> to deal with more and messier content. You could have something with like
> *f:123* but I'm not sure it adds value over plain links.
>

>From what I learned as Drupal user is that having multiple (fixed and
flexible) taxonomies for tagging could be super useful and I hope this
feature gets developed in both core Discourse and MediaWiki (even if just
on user end).


>
>
>> – Wikimedia Space was closed after a year, and its links no longer
>> resolve.
>>
>
> I apologize for that. Space needs to be migrated from Debian Stretch to
> Buster as part of a generic upgrade of Wikimedia Cloud infrastructure. I
> volunteered to do it but it turned out to be non-straightforward, or
> possibly I've been going at it wrong, I ran out of time, and then kinda
> forgot about it. I'll try to wrap it up soon.
>

Thank you for volunteering for this, but I think it should be
systematically done by more than one person and as part of WMF workflows.


>
>
>>  --> how can we add discourse into current versioning + archiving
>> workflows?
>>
>
> A good question regardless! There was some discussion in T235235
> , but it didn't go far.
>
> See also T262275 , which is
> about a different Discourse site (which I didn't think was worth keeping
> up), but it shows a minimal-effort solution for keeping discussion content
> available and links working in perpetuity, although in a rather ugly format.
>

Think living with ugly is kind of bearable in Wikimedia world ;-p


>
> ~ what it might look like for this to later become a more standard part of
>> our wikiverse (e.g., *forum.wikimedia.org/c/strategy
>> *).
>>
>
> There's a bunch of discussion at
> https://forum.movement-strategy.org/t/what-do-you-think-about-the-proposed-name-and-domain/53
> on why a *.wikimedia.org domain is unlikely to be used anytime soon.
>

IMHO use of w.wiki subdomains, should not be bad option  :-)



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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Reflections about Visa situation for Wikimedians

[Željko Blaće]

This is sad to hear and brings back memories of filling similarly myself.

To keep thinks very pragmatic I would advise that IFA.de and/or local
Goethe Institute be contacted and invited to both part take and help with
this. Both are likely to be willing and interested in support WMDE as they
do cultural programming around related topics.

Wikimedia should be a self referential bubble but both give and ask support
for its work, even when it is late and no professional is assigned
specifically to work on this.

Best Z. Blace

On Tuesday, August 16, 2022, Mohammed Bachounda  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> There is always a country that is accessible for some and difficult for
> others, yet I experienced the same situation this year, and I was pushed to
> make difficult decisions to cancel with continuous stress.
>
> I add that some visas are issued with only one entry and a duration of
> only one week, if someone plans to return to the same country or the same
> space, he has to re-submit another one. and it is also another story and
> another galley, which brings up all the fears and doubts every time
> Even though the WM summit team has done a very good job and with new
> improvements year after year. It is also difficult year after year to get a
> Schengen visa.
>
> I understand the problem between the budget allocated to transport and
> accommodation in each country for any conference but only this constraint,
> we lose more than we want to gain.
>
> It is time to establish a list // a guide // a recommendation of a place
> where the balance between all the constraints are realized.
> Technology + Budget + Free movement + Security etc.
>
> Best
>
> Mohammed B achounda
>
>
> Le mar. 16 août 2022 à 15:56, Iolanda Pensa  a écrit :
>
>> Maybe those documents can be relevant for the discussion:
>>
>> The learning pattern by Wikimedia Deutschland about the visa process
>> written in 2017 - https://meta.wikimedia.org/
>> wiki/Learning_patterns/Timing,_Communication,_Preparation:_
>> How_to_support_your_event_participants_in_the_best_way_
>> to_get_a_Schengen_Visa
>> The request to allow 3 months for visa made in 2014 -
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Learning_patterns/
>> International_events%3F_Allow_three_months_for_visa_formalities
>> 
>>
>>
>> Best regards
>> Iolanda
>>
>>
>> Il giorno 16 ago 2022, alle ore 16:40, Gnangarra 
>> ha scritto:
>>
>> Agree with Bodhi here, contact WMDE they have been doing this conference
>> for many years and should have the networks to help get your application
>> for a visa processed.
>>
>> On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 at 22:20, Bodhisattwa 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Anass,
>>>
>>> Regarding the particular incident with Wikimedia Summit, I would suggest
>>> your representative to communicate with the conference organizing team
>>> directly about not getting any date of appointment before the conference
>>> and they will contact with respective embassies and consulates. Like the
>>> representative from your affiliate, I know of few others who did not get
>>> their visa appointments, so when they contacted the organizing team, they
>>> were given the support and respective embassies and consulates contacted
>>> them and gave them appointment for submitting visa documents. I know this,
>>> because I was one such candidate.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Bodhisattwa
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2022, 19:09 Eric Luth  wrote:
>>>
 I agree with the others that you are raising a really important point,
 Anass. Thanks for that.

 I have tried to support visa applicants to two international Wikimedia
 events in Stockholm, the Wikimedia Diversity Conference in 2017 and
 Wikimania in 2019. It was frustrating even for me as organizer, and I can't
 even imagine how frustrating and disheartening it must be for the visa
 applicants.

 After these two occasions, I have made a few simple conclusions.

- If it is of high priority that visa applications are accepted,
more funding for supporting the applications than one might think is
needed. It is time consuming to support visa applications, but it does 
 make
a difference.
- One reason why there needs to be plenty of funding for supporting
the applications is that the embassies, at least the Swedish ones, work
independently of each other. We tried to develop one process and 
 timeline,
but it failed because of all the embassies' own procedures and 
 timelines.
It is close to impossible to develop one structure or process, but 
 support
needs to be given to each applicant in their own process. If that is 
 done,
it does however increase the likelihood that the visa is approved.
- For Wikimania, we were even more actively engaged in the visa
processes as 

[Wikimedia-l] recovery paths for ____ (bored Chinese housewife?)

[Željko Blaće]

Good Morning!
I have to say there is much to learn from this...
https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkgbwm/chinese-woman-fake-russian-history-wikipedia

...but also maybe something to imagine and develop?
(beyond VICE's imagination of bored Chinese housewife photo)

If Wikimedia was a well resourced ecosystem,
that is human centric, focused on diversity, care and innovation...
...maybe a new genre of fiction writing using wikis
could be a recovery path for skilled, embedded and
bored Chinese housewife? (not just blocking her)


Best Z.
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Open proxies and IP blocking

[Željko Blaće]

I just got in touch with RIPE.net folx who have a conference now in Berlin
and they seem to be interested in helping.

John would be in a good position as former RIPE now WMF staff to evaluate
this and follow up.

Best wishes - Z. Blace

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 5:05 PM Florence Devouard 
wrote:

> I have not further commented because I did not feel I could help further
> at this point. But I wanted to point out that the issue is still on my
> "concerns" list :)
>
> I am looking forward to read your findings when process is completed.
>
> Flo
>
> Le 12/05/2022 à 01:02, Niharika Kohli a écrit :
>
> Hi Butch,
>
> Thanks for your suggestions. On our end, the Wikimedia Foundation Product
> department is currently undertaking stakeholder discussions in all the
> areas you mentioned to understand the problem from all different
> perspectives. As we go through this process we are also looking at
> potential technical solutions that would reduce some of the pain points
> that have been brought up both here and on the talk page. There are some
> existing recommendations on this mailing list and the meta page that are
> good starting points for these discussions.
> We will be summarizing our findings and sharing them on this list and the
> talk page once we have completed this process. If anyone has direct
> feedback, my inbox is always open.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 7, 2022 at 9:59 PM  wrote:
>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> Let me suggest three things:
>>
>> 1. For Outreach events, campaigns, GLAM events that conduct new user
>> training and editathons, the Foundation Programs Team (
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Campaigns/Foundation_Programs_Team)
>> should proactively coordinate with event organizers and/or foundation grant
>> applicants and offer assistance to link them with administrators to grant
>> IP exemptions or account creation / event organizer rights.
>>
>> 2. For WMF Movement Communications Team and Foundation Product
>> Development Team to conduct stakeholder discussions (end users, event
>> organizers, active editors) including this mailing list, talk pages,
>> virtual / video conferences and come up with a thorough document
>> summarizing the feedbacks. We should not end decisions on Talk pages and
>> mailing list alone.
>>
>> 3. For the technology team & tech community to come up with an update on
>> the 18 year old IP block policy that is target bad faith editors and
>> balancing it with middle to low income communities (Africa, South and
>> Southeast Asia, Pacific Islands, South America) with shared internet
>> infrastructure such as mobile data/ school internet connections.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Butch
>> Southeast Asia
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Open proxies and IP blocking

[Željko Blaće]

My 2 cents in this telegraph short email

#1 it is a common situation in Bosnia and Croatia, likely in
other CEE countries of CEE where providers are 'cheap' with IP addresses. I
know an amazingly constructive and dedicated, but not proactive editor who
failed to get unblocked on EN, as he could not explain as a novice to EN
admins in 2015 that he was not a sock puppet . Loss is on our side.

#2 This is a complex (and for outreach mission critical) problem that
requires real-time addressing and most likely a dedicated paid
professionals (better 4 x 50% across time zones) to take the burden off
from voluntary stewards and admins, but also to inform and educate those
who could not follow what are common network issues across different
regions.

Best, Z.
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[Wikimedia-l] notability and content gaps on Wikipedias (WAS: Re: An Open Letter to Maryana Iskander)

[Željko Blaće]

On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 2:46 PM Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Hi thanks for sharing!
>
> I would agree on many of the issues there, is why you think writing to
> Maryana Iskander would make things change since the foundation has no
> editorial rights on Wikipedia ?
>

I agree with Nattes - this is an issue that should be addressed by all who
(want to) take part in Wikipedia maintenance and development, not the WMF
CEO.
I think the best thing WMF can do is support multiple ways for people to
take part in these processes.


Maybe the solution lies in a  better system rating the articles. For me
> there would be no problems having sourced articles PUNKT, and not worry
> about notability criteria. That would shift the maintainance energy on
> deleting articles to maintaining them :).
>

Yes - that could be one of the ways!


> But that does not mean that we can have no secundary sources at all. I
> think we should move more towards the wiktionnary criterias. That means we
> focuse more over sourcing each line of information, not “notability
> criterias”.
> But this seems impossible the communities would not agree.
>

I love that you use the plural 'communities', as when we assume singular,
than it is tyranny of majority too often, but given the resources we could
easily have more than one system in place for each Wikipedia instance.


> Maybe having a project which adds deleted articles in a “stub”
> encyclopedia? Like an “wiki article spore” or article  nursery ?
>

It can even more easily just be in a different namespace.
So Stub is not just a status category, but Namespace like Draft:


> Kind regards,
>
> Nattes
>

Best wishes - Z. Blace
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: UCoC Phase 2 Ratification Results Announcement

[Željko Blaće]

On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 6:34 AM effe iets anders 
wrote:

> Thank you Stella,
>

Thank you Lodewijk for voicing a critical perspective. Hope you do not mind
me adding a few points inline.


> Thank you for sharing, I'm looking forward to an evaluation of how this
> vote was executed, so that we can use these methods for more
> topics/decisions in a constructive way. I'm pleased to see how the process
> has seen various types of community engagement, and this seems a good step
> in the right direction. I guess it's hard to expect more turnout than this.
>

I think turnout could have been much better at least in smaller language
communities. From the experience in the projects I am active in there was a
lack of targeted outreach and proactive work, which rendered the whole
process super Meta. Doing text translations and putting notices is neither
enough nor a good way to communicate complexity and urgency to those most
in need of UCoC. New users who joined sub-ideal wikis (not just very toxic)
could not meet voting criteria as easily, though the document was mostly to
address their most basic needs.

(sidenote: the fact that this announcement is being made by a WMF staff
> member probably means that this process is less community driven than I
> thought. )
>
> For a fundamental document like this, I'm surprised to see that there is
> 40+% opposition. Is there a good understanding of what in the UCoC is
> causing so much opposition?
>

Not surprised as vocal critics were constantly present in the
process...their critique was only partly addressed and of course there is
prevailance with older Wikipedians not to change (much) and let alone fast
+ top down.


> I'm asking, because this is supposed to be a universal code, and even if
> this opposition was randomly distributed in our communities, it would be
> quite likely that there is a meaningful number of communities where there
> would be a majority against, if we would split up the vote by community. In
> such a case, I imagine that understanding the reasons why people are
> against, and whether something can be done to mitigate this (or that any
> universal document could likely meet similar opposition) is the least we
> could be expected to attempt.
>

The construction of vote procedure did not allow for partial support (one I
would also prefer myself) but only binary + comment.
This is suboptimal for lengthy documents and elaborate (but suboptimal)
processes.

Warm regards,
Z. Blace


> Warmly,
> Lodewijk
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 2:32 PM Stella Ng  wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> We would like to thank the over 2300 Wikimedians who participated in the
>> recently concluded community vote on the Enforcement Guidelines for the
>> Universal Code of Conduct (UCoC)
>> .
>> At this time, the volunteer scrutinizing group has completed the review
>> of the accuracy of the vote and the final results are available on
>> Meta-wiki. A quick summary can be found below:
>>
>>
>>-
>>
>>58.6% Yes, 41.4% No
>>
>>
>>-
>>
>>Contributors from 128 home wikis participated in the vote
>>-
>>
>>Over thirty languages were supported in the ballot
>>
>>
>> What this outcome means is that there is enough support for the Board to
>> review the document. It does not mean that the Enforcement Guidelines are
>> automatically complete.
>>
>> From here, the project team will collate and summarize the comments
>> provided in the voting process, and publish them on Meta-wiki. The
>> Enforcement Guidelines will be submitted to the Board of Trustees for their
>> consideration. The Board will review input given during the vote, and
>> examine whether there are aspects of the Guidelines that need further
>> refinement. If so, these comments, and the input provided through Meta-wiki
>> and other community conversations, will provide a good starting point for
>> revising the Guidelines to meet the needs expressed by communities in the
>> voter’s responses.
>>
>> In the event the Board moves forward with ratification, the UCoC project
>> team will begin supporting specific proposals in the Guidelines. Some of
>> these proposals include working with community members to form the U4C
>> Building Committee, starting consultations on training, and supporting
>> conversations on improving our reporting systems. There is still a lot to
>> be done, but we will be able to move into the next phase of this work.
>>
>> Many people took part in making sure the policy and the enforcement
>> guidelines work for our communities. We will continue to collaboratively
>> work on the details of the strong proposals outlined in the Guidelines as
>> presented by the Wikimedians who engaged with the project in different ways
>> over the last year.
>>
>> Once again, we thank everyone who participated in the ratification of
>> the Enforcement Guidelines.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Stella Ng on behalf of 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Leadership Development Task Force: Your feedback is appreciated!

[Željko Blaće]

 Very interested in this and pardon my potentially wrong interpretation,
but would an even shorter summary of your short summary be something like:


*WMF's (Community Development) is to train future community leaders, while
under some kind of supervision of an elected Task Force?*

By the way... most of these translations do not yet exist?
(aside from bosanski • hrvatski • srpski, being more-less the same)
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Is (Wikipedian-in-residence, a proposal) to update?

[Željko Blaće]

On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 6:50 AM Željko Blaće  wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 6:33 AM Samuel Klein  wrote:
>
>> ZB -- Just seeing this excellent idea.  Yes, it is a good time to revisit
>> and envision what might be possible if this were a much broader and more
>> universal practice, with a wide range of templates.
>>
>
> Glad to hear you think so. Few people in the WREN list also expressed
> interest so maybe we start in the upcoming meeting?
>

Bumping this up again as WREN meeting is in 8hours from now (4pm UTC,
London)
Unfortunately WM Meet is sub-optimal again so we gather at
https://meet.google.com/asi-hpms-pxv


>
>
>> I would suggest combining it with a global scholarship program for
>> younger students -- a multilingual internationally known wikimedia
>> scholarship program, with matching funds and support via regional partners,
>> would elevate the principles, the focus on improving public knowledge, and
>> the practice of self-organization and learning-by-participating that makes
>> us tick.
>>
>
> OK - I did not hear of it, but curious for sure.
>
> Best Z. Blace
>
>
>> SJ
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 1:28 AM Željko Blaće  wrote:
>>
>>> Before this last 21st day in the 21st year of 21st century
>>> is globally over, I try to re-initiate re-thinking
>>> on this 15 years old proposal for a Wikipedian-in-residence
>>>
>>> http://original-research.blogspot.com/2006/12/wikipedian-in-residence-proposal.html
>>> but also articles in (only) 27 language Wikipedias,
>>>
>>> Meta, Outreach wiki and elsewhere
>>> for updating the notion of WIR and roles it performs in Wikimedia,
>>> an ecosystem of diverse entities, dynamics and relations.
>>>
>>> As Wikimedians with wider perspective than a single wiki project, often
>>> more than a single language and for sure more than single community, gear
>>> up to discuss and act on 2030 strategy, that includes new initiatives, new
>>> formations of decentering resources, new content, forms and methods of
>>> working, with new priorities, conditions, tools, services and what
>>> not…there is also a value in reflecting and reimagining what is already
>>> established but often overlooked practice.
>>>
>>> Some of the WIR practitioners have been self-reflecting on and off
>>> publicly https://wikistrategies.net/5-things-wikipedian-in-residence/
>>> and engaging with communities
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc9YgFm2eso there was also network
>>> establishment.
>>> 3 years ago WREN UG (Wikimedians in Residence Exchange Network User
>>> Group) was recognized with the aim to protect the common elements of the
>>> role and for creating a peer support network of new and experienced WIRs
>>> for collaboration and to encourage a global professional environment which
>>> inspires institutions to appoint persons to engage with Wikimedia.
>>>
>>> In recent times Wikipedian-in-Residence, is more often
>>> Wikimedian-in-Residence, in rapid growth of Commons and Wikidata (but also
>>> in 2021 first one in Wiktionary) and sometimes Wikimedian-at-Large, in more
>>> generalized practice of strategy or direction setting work.
>>> Additionally in time of pandemic when doing physical events is
>>> challenging and many of the (potential) partner organizations are closing
>>> down or limiting public events to bare essential, short and transient it is
>>> more important than ever that individuals (rather than cohorts of editathon
>>> enthusiasts) keep revisiting institutions and work with them in a most
>>> flexible mode and scale.
>>>
>>> Finally to start both re-visioning and maybe even re-positioning WIRs in
>>> Wikimedia we should think of what this network of ‘free agents’ can bring
>>> towards 2030, beyond what WMF, affiliates, UGs, HUBs, WikiProjects and
>>> other organizational forms can. Also think how much more useful this
>>> initial inspiration of artists, writers and researchers in residence could
>>> be if these creative and critical roles in the art and cultural sector get
>>> embraced and encouraged more often and more intentionally.
>>>
>>> Z. Blace
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Media coverage in Germany: Enterprise / Advocacy

[Željko Blaće]

Thank you for engaging with this topic in public and doing the translation
and sharing here (adding open-glam list).

Aside from being a nice Sunday read I think this is a super useful case
study for people working in the cultural sector and advocacy for open. Was
this published elsewhere in English?

I would love for us to have a better platform to comment and discuss
individual aspects of both articles (Discourse as WM Spaces would be good -
no?), but anyway few inline comments below.


On Sat, Jan 29, 2022 at 7:24 PM Christian Humborg <
christian.humb...@wikimedia.de> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> we had articles in Germany published connecting the activities of
> Wikimedia Enterprise with our licensing advocacy. Please find below the
> article of a filmmaker, published last week in the Frankfurter Allgemeine
> Zeitung, one of the large German newspapers.
>

I see the article did not get a huge amount of comments and in that way it
failed to attract much attention or there were echoes elsewhere?
https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/medien/wikimedia-plant-die-kommerzialisierung-ihrer-inhalte-17736141-p2.html#lesermeinungen



> Below you find our response, published this week in the Frankfurter
> Allgemeine Zeitung. I hope this is useful for further debates.
>

One needs to register (or even pay?) to get to this article?  I wonder what
was the quality and quantity of responses here?
https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/wikimedia-ard-und-zdf-freie-lizenzen-fuer-das-gemeinwohl-17753492.html


> Kind regards
> Christian
>
> ***
>
> *Wikimedia perverts the common good*
> 
>
>
> *Wikimedia plans to commercialize its content. At the same time, the
> organization is lobbying hard to get its hands on high-quality free content
> from public broadcasters. This is ruining the filmmakers*.
>
>
> The Wikipedia information platform has so far been financed by donations
> from Silicon Valley tech giants, among others. These include primarily the
> market-dominating Internet giants such as Google, Facebook, Apple et
> cetera, all of which earn money through traffic with content from
> Wikipedia. In specialist circles, these donations are regarded as a
> reciprocal business: Donors and Wikipedia profit from each other.
>

This is crude simplification...
It would have been great for this to be responded to with some counter
arguments or maybe it is still possible by WMF directly?


> Wikimedia is the operating organization behind Wikipedia, but it has long
> been looking for a stable business model to finance itself. In the spring
> of 2021, Wikimedia finally announced that it would build a corporate
> interface that would simplify the automated use of Wikipedia content and
> for which commercial companies would pay. In other words: money is to be
> made with the content on Wikipedia. For example, with services such as the
> voice assistants Siri
>  or Alexa, which
> access content via Wikipedia. The donation business based on reciprocity,
> as described above, would thus be transformed into a proper business
> relationship. The name for it: Wikimedia Enterprise API.
>

I feel this is something WMF should also respond to with clarification, at
least to the author and his society if not in FAZ, than on wikimedia.org.

 For this business to be profitable in the long term, Wikimedia must ensure
> the comprehensive supply of information on Wikipedia, but also enhance it
> for the social networks
>  with
> high-quality images and films. Expanded offerings increase demand. And in
> order to secure the capital-rich clientele in the long term - according to
> the law of Internet capitalism - Wikipedia could also become the dominant
> platform in the education sector for images and films that can be accessed
> as free as possible.
>

This also posed some interesting questions for Wikimedians to discuss with
so many failures in making Wikipedia media rich. Wikipedia copy-cat
websites are in abundance (can it get worse?) and on the other hand there
is next to zero effort (and resources allocated) to have position and
relations formulated towards non-corporate social networks (not even when
it is easy!).


> Contempt for the state and collectivism
>
> Wikimedia Deutschland's intensive lobbying campaign for so-called "free
> licenses", which has been ongoing for several years, should also be
> understood in this context. Public films, especially documentaries, are to
> be offered free of charge on Wikipedia via CC licensing (Creative Commons
> licenses). Many know this campaign under the formula "Public money = Public
> good". A vulgarization of the idea of the common good that devalues the
> legal status of goods whose production takes place through state
> 

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia payroll and related (WAS: Re: Media coverage in Germany: Enterprise / Advocacy)

[Željko Blaće]

Interesting discussion but away from the focal point of what Christian
shared.
Hope both can be useful and continue but in separate email threads.

On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 4:04 AM Risker  wrote:

> Andreas -
>
> First off, contract employees are employees.  There were 82 of them. (Part
> V, line 1a on the Form 990)  They do not receive a W-3 form. Only 291
> employees received the W-3 form.  That brings employee total to 373.
>
> Secondly, you fail to compensate for the fact that the 13 "key employees"
> - officers, the top 5 compensated non-officer staff, and other key staff -
> received approximately $3.3 million alone.  That reduces the employee pool
> to 360 and the compensation pool to $52.3 million.
>
> That gives an average total compensation of about $145,000 USD.
> Reportable compensation includes pension plan contributions, medical/dental
> plans, paid leaves,social security/medicare taxes, insurance, costs
> reimbursed for maintaining a home office, and many other forms of direct or
> indirect compensation. The benefits package would run about 25-30% of the
> base salary, and other compensation will add into that.
>
> There's no reason whatsoever to believe that the employee numbers remained
> static the following year; in fact, in your other statement, your figures
> would suggest you think the WMF currently has about 650-675 staff.
>
> Risker/Anne
>
> On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 at 21:37, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:
>
>> Amir,
>>
>> You say, "it was only 12 were paid more than $100,000 (at least according
>> to the form)."
>>
>> Part VII of the Form 990 (page 8) states, in line 2 (under the table of
>> highest earners you mention),
>>
>> "Total number of individuals (including but not limited to those listed
>> above) who received more than $100,000 of reportable compensation from the
>> organization – *165*"
>>
>> That is more than half of all employees (actual employees, as opposed to
>> freelancers).
>>
>> Andreas
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 2:29 AM Amir Sarabadani 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The $200,000 average salary for each employee is plain wrong.
>>>
>>> If you look at 2019 Form:
>>> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/8/85/Wikimedia_Foundation_2019_Form_990.pdf
>>> In that form, there is a section (Section VII) for the highest paid
>>> employees and requires WMF to report any employee who was paid more than
>>> "$100,000 from the organization and any related organizations". And only 11
>>> people in all of WMF were paid more than $200,000 in that FY and the
>>> highest paid employee took a little less than $400,000, and in total with
>>> the rest it was only 12 were paid more than $100,000 (at least according to
>>> the form).
>>>
>>> There are lots of complicating factors, including the fact that most WMF
>>> "employees" live outside of the US and thus are hired through the Employer
>>> of Record (EoR) system. So they show up as contractors in the list of staff
>>> and I'm not sure where their expenses show up in Form 990. Staff
>>> compensation gets adjusted to where they live and usually (virtually all
>>> but not sure) it's less than salaries paid in the bay area due to the fact
>>> that simply living in SF (and bay area) is expensive.
>>>
>>> If you combine total expenses of WMF with personnel expenses (~80M) and
>>> divide that to 400 (~ number of staff in 2019), you might get $200,000 per
>>> person but that includes data center expenses, buying hardware expenses,
>>> network expenses, money paid for renting offices, electricity bills of the
>>> dcs and offices, travel expenses, basically anything you can imagine except
>>> grants.
>>>
>>> (In my volunteer capacity, It's weekend)
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 2:38 AM Risker  wrote:
>>>
 I don't think there is any such source.  In another thread, Andreas
 also states that there are over 800 WMF and affiliate employees (which is
 probably true); however, that would mean that *just salaries* would come to
 more than the 2021-22 annual budget.[1]  (i.e. - 800 employees x $200,000
 each = $160 million; 2021-22 budget is $150 million. That is taking the
 smaller number of "over 800 employee" from the other post and "over
 $200,000 per employee" from this one.)  While I have no doubt that salaries
 and benefits make up the majority of expenditures in both the WMF itself
 and the WMF and affiliates together, I think these statements are
 exaggerations.

 Risker/Anne


 [1]
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Medium-term_plan_2019/Annual_Plan_2021-2022

 On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 at 20:04, Alex Monk  wrote:

> Do you have a source for that number?
>
> On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 at 20:38, Andreas Kolbe 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> As for nobody at Wikimedia profiting off the free content created by
>> volunteers, that is relative. WMF salary costs currently average over
>> $200,000 per employee. In most parts of the world, that would be 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Whose Knowledge? User Group annual report 2020-21

[Željko Blaće]

Thank you for the report Mariana.

Decolonising Wikidata was one of the high points of 2021 Wikimedia vectors.
This looks impressive, inspirational and I hope we catch up soon as we did
in 2021 for CEE Spring special session.

Super curious over State of the Internet's Languages - there is so much to
update there from language policies. They shaped discrepancies of Wikipedia
instances and set the tone for much of interaction with top down language
norms to bottom up communities.

Best Z. Blace

On Thursday, January 27, 2022,  wrote:

> Hello everyone!
>
> The annual report of Whose Knowledge? User Group is available in Meta. We
> are glad to share with all of you our journey from September 2020 to
> September 2021.
>
> Please find the report here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/
> wiki/Whose_Knowledge%3F/Reports/2021
>
> We recognize that 2021 was a year to build up resilience after all that
> 2020 brought to us and our communities. Even though we continued to face
> the effects of Covid-19, and of other intersecting pandemics of racism,
> patriarchy, and the climate crisis, we also started to get our strength
> back and to embrace the future with joy and hope:
>
> - Whose Knowledge? celebrated five mighty years of its existence in Sep
> 2021 with a special social media campaign.
> - WK? incorporated in the State of CA, as a public benefit corporation in
> June 2021. We have worked with our esteemed Board in the last few months as
> well, to move WK? in the direction of its mission.
> - The #VisibleWikiWomen campaign 2021 brought over 1700 images to
> Wikimedia Commons, illustrating pages in 38 different Wikipedia languages.
> - We have successfully designed and developed a fully tailored website
> that will present the State of the Internet's Languages report to our wide
> audience in a user-friendly manner.
> - We hosted a multilingual event on Decolonising Structured Data as a
> pre-WikidataCon event and we did a keynote at WikidataCon itself.
>
> You can learn more about our activities, access the materials and
> resources created, and see  photos and presentations in the full report.
>
> In the next few weeks we will be sharing a multilingual, accessible and
> multimedia website for the State of the Internet's Languages, and we will
> launch our next #VisibleWikiWomen campaign. Stay tuned through our website (
> https://whoseknowledge.org/), social media channels (@whoseknowledge on
> Twitter, Instagram and Facebook) and consider subscribing to our newsletter
> (https://whoseknowledge.org/join/), or reach out us in our discussion
> page on Meta (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Whose_Knowledge%3F).
>
> In solidarity,
>
> Mariana and the Whose Knowledge? team
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Are we losing our readers?

[Željko Blaće]

On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 1:47 AM James Heilman  wrote:

> Well the story around Osmosis has further details... They released their
> first 300 or so vidoes under an open license and they were within Wikipedia
> articles for a while. You can still see them on Commons here:
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Videos_from_Osmosis
>
> A number of folks pushed exceedingly hard for their removal. And thus they
> are no longer in EN WP. How extensively they were viewed we do not know as
> we have no way to determine that data. Our only data for videos is if the
> portion of the page they are on is loaded or not, and not if the play
> button has been pressed or how much of the video was watched.
>
> Following the breakdown of our collaboration with Osmosis they dropped the
> use of an open license, and all their subsequent material is fully
> copyrighted. Just a few weeks back they sold themselves to Elsevier...
>

WoOoW - that sounds terrible...
When was this happening and How?
This is worth writing about, reflecting and
keeping in mind for the future!
#BestPracticies #WorstPracticies

Maybe EN Wikipedia's lowest common denominator of tolerance to innovation
is too low :-(


> Now one of the legitimate criticisms of these videos is that they were not
> easily collaboratively editable. We have built software to make
> collaborative editing of video easier. Unfortunately currently it is down
> and we are needing to find a programmer able and willing to fix it, we at
> Wiki Project Med do not have much funding available...
> https://mdwiki.org/wiki/WikiProjectMed:VideoWiki
>

It is admirable you do not give up on this.

Best Z. Blace


> James
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 4:53 PM Juergen Fenn  wrote:
>
>> Thanks, James. I think this is an important point. So we could say we
>> have lost a part of acedemia.
>>
>> More to the point, we seem to have failed to integrate course materials
>> and multimedia formats into Wikipedia articles.
>>
>> Could we try and create some of these and integrate them into articles
>> relevant to students in oder to test whether this makes a difference to
>> them? Or do you think they would stick to Osmosis etc. anyway?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Jürgen.
>>
>> Am 08.01.22 um 00:38 Uhr schrieb James Heilman:
>> > With respect to some anecdotal evidence, I have for many years asked the
>> > medical students who work with me on their clinical rotations how they
>> > study. I get a few passes through my department a month.
>> >
>> >  Most reported using Wikipedia 5 to 10 years back. Now sources like
>> > Osmosis, which are basically short video overviews with questions banks
>> > attached, are more commonly mentioned. Video is becoming a more common
>> > way for younger folks to learn.
>> >
>> > James
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 3:55 PM Mohamed ElGohary > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > "Is the traffic measured where content is read" would be a better
>> > way of putting it.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Gohary (ircpresident)
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 12:52 AM Juergen Fenn > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Anders raised the question how this relates to "smarter"
>> > machine-created
>> > traffic. Do we know more about this?
>> >
>> > Best Regards,
>> > Jürgen.
>> >
>> > Am 07.01.22 um 21:45 Uhr schrieb James Heilman:
>> > > Have been tracking medical pageviews for EN WP for more than
>> > 10 years.
>> > > It appears our readership peaked around 2014, there was a bump
>> > during
>> > > the pandemic, and now the fall in pageviews is
>> > continuing again... This
>> > > despite much of our pageviews for medicine continuing to be
>> > related to
>> > > the pandemic.
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png
>> > <
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png
>> >
>> > >
>> > <
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png
>> > <
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png
>> >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages
>> > <
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages
>> >
>> > >
>> > <
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages
>> > <
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages
>> >>
>> > >
>> > > James
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 11:09 AM Toni Ristovski
>> > mailto:toni91ehrl...@gmail.com>
>> > > > > >> wrote:
>> > 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Commons-l] Uplifting the multimedia stack (was: Community Wishlist Survery)

[Željko Blaće]

On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 11:10 PM F. Xavier Dengra i Grau via Wikimedia-l <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:

> It is definitely so sad to see those many abandoned tickets in
> Phabricator, like the ones Galder has been sharing along this thread. The
> same for the very interesting -and quite easy to implement- proposals that
> had lots of votes in the previous Community Wishlists but that never
> succeeded.
>

Hey Havier, I agree. Many do. Community Wishlists has its limitations and
unfortunately it was historically not super clear of what can (not) be done
and how. Check my initial rent on this. It is now on a good path not to
promise too much to too many people
#WMcommunityWishlistNotPANACEAnorEXTRACTIVISM ;-)


> It is difficult to convince users in some Village Pumps to participate in
> the new Community Wishlists, as the improvements that we see do not relate
> much with many of the language-related needs. Not to mention what's going
> on with the sister projects: for Wikiquote or Wikibooks it has been crystal
> clear for the small communities that we are merely server-supported,
> without any other special, significant improvement foreseen nor for the
> past decade nor for the years to come. I feel often insulted when I see the
> "scary" banners to push people to donate in this small wiki projects -in
> which we barely can provide contents with an interface of 2008.
>

This is a much shared feeling. Only quirky proposal I can imagine right now
is for the 'Wikimedia movement' to 'forbid' WMF use of anything but
MediaWiki for its outward facing PR, so even the PR department would have
to look at UI and deal with the same urgency as everyone else using it
onWiki projects ;-) #jokeNOjoke


> Necessary and valuable tech proposals for our poor infrastructure are
> completely left behind while the WMF is publishing press releases about a
> 120-million $ revenue. Meanwhile, some wikipedians increasingly take
> advantage of this big money as an opportunity to convert their hobby into a
> job by asking more and more grants in Meta to do paid-editing, WiRs or
> "cultural" projects (that before were fully succesfully
> volunteered-driven). Priorities and the consequences of having too much
> money.
>

We do not know each other but obviously some concerns are shared. I would
love you to come to the next WREN meeting and check out the folx to meet
there.
Most of us feel similar, but have different realities and possibilities for
agency. As (often non-developers) GLAM folx are doing what is their best
possible contribution.
Mind you many WiRs bring in both value and finances where WMF did not. In
Croatia there was zero investment for 18 years and first (+ still most
significant) was done by the Clubture.org, a 20 years old grassroot network
of independent cultural operators (including workshops in early pandemic
when WMF halted everything) which in its own right struggles with
sustainability and (Wikipedia) recognition ;-) So rather than
under-informed antagonizing, please consider joining us for the next WREN
meeting and lets see what can be done better in coordination or maybe even
future collaboration.

Best Z. Blace


Xavier Dengra
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> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> El dilluns, 3 de gener 2022 a les 9:44 PM, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
> galder...@hotmail.com> va escriure:
>
> I would like to be optimistic, but...
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T289101
>
> 2022(e)ko urt. 3(a) 15:28 erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du (Brion Vibber <
> bvib...@wikimedia.org>):
>
> (Anyway I'm just grumping. I hear positive things about plans for this
> year and I'm heartened to see more folks involved in planning the next
> stages!)
>
> -- brion
>
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, 6:10 AM Brion Vibber  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2021, 10:27 AM Samuel Klein  wrote:
>
> Separate thread.  I'm not sure which list is appropriate.
> *... but not all the way to sentience
> .*
>
> The annual community wishlist survey (implemented by a small team,
> possibly in isolation?) may not be the mechanism for prioritizing large
> changes, but the latter also deserves a community-curated priority queue.
> To complement the staff-maintained priorities in phab ~
>
> For core challenges (like Commons stability and capacity), I'd be
> surprised if the bottleneck were people or budget.
>
>
> Currently there are zero people and no budget for multimedia, aside from
> whatever work I and others manage to get done here there. And I'm afraid I
> don't scale.
>
> It's Wikimedia Foundation's job to assign budget and people here. I've
> been hoping for years that this will happen, and continue to hope.
>
>
> -- brion
>
> We do need a shared understanding of what issues are most important and
> most urgent, and how to solve them. For instance, a way to turn Amir's
> recent email about the problem (and related phab tickets) into a family of
> persistent, 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Is (Wikipedian-in-residence, a proposal) to update?

[Željko Blaće]

On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 6:33 AM Samuel Klein  wrote:

> ZB -- Just seeing this excellent idea.  Yes, it is a good time to revisit
> and envision what might be possible if this were a much broader and more
> universal practice, with a wide range of templates.
>

Glad to hear you think so. Few people in the WREN list also expressed
interest so maybe we start in the upcoming meeting?


> I would suggest combining it with a global scholarship program for younger
> students -- a multilingual internationally known wikimedia scholarship
> program, with matching funds and support via regional partners, would
> elevate the principles, the focus on improving public knowledge, and the
> practice of self-organization and learning-by-participating that makes us
> tick.
>

OK - I did not hear of it, but curious for sure.

Best Z. Blace


> SJ
>
> On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 1:28 AM Željko Blaće  wrote:
>
>> Before this last 21st day in the 21st year of 21st century
>> is globally over, I try to re-initiate re-thinking
>> on this 15 years old proposal for a Wikipedian-in-residence
>>
>> http://original-research.blogspot.com/2006/12/wikipedian-in-residence-proposal.html
>> but also articles in (only) 27 language Wikipedias,
>>
>> Meta, Outreach wiki and elsewhere
>> for updating the notion of WIR and roles it performs in Wikimedia,
>> an ecosystem of diverse entities, dynamics and relations.
>>
>> As Wikimedians with wider perspective than a single wiki project, often
>> more than a single language and for sure more than single community, gear
>> up to discuss and act on 2030 strategy, that includes new initiatives, new
>> formations of decentering resources, new content, forms and methods of
>> working, with new priorities, conditions, tools, services and what
>> not…there is also a value in reflecting and reimagining what is already
>> established but often overlooked practice.
>>
>> Some of the WIR practitioners have been self-reflecting on and off
>> publicly https://wikistrategies.net/5-things-wikipedian-in-residence/
>> and engaging with communities https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc9YgFm2eso
>> there was also network establishment.
>> 3 years ago WREN UG (Wikimedians in Residence Exchange Network User
>> Group) was recognized with the aim to protect the common elements of the
>> role and for creating a peer support network of new and experienced WIRs
>> for collaboration and to encourage a global professional environment which
>> inspires institutions to appoint persons to engage with Wikimedia.
>>
>> In recent times Wikipedian-in-Residence, is more often
>> Wikimedian-in-Residence, in rapid growth of Commons and Wikidata (but also
>> in 2021 first one in Wiktionary) and sometimes Wikimedian-at-Large, in more
>> generalized practice of strategy or direction setting work.
>> Additionally in time of pandemic when doing physical events is
>> challenging and many of the (potential) partner organizations are closing
>> down or limiting public events to bare essential, short and transient it is
>> more important than ever that individuals (rather than cohorts of editathon
>> enthusiasts) keep revisiting institutions and work with them in a most
>> flexible mode and scale.
>>
>> Finally to start both re-visioning and maybe even re-positioning WIRs in
>> Wikimedia we should think of what this network of ‘free agents’ can bring
>> towards 2030, beyond what WMF, affiliates, UGs, HUBs, WikiProjects and
>> other organizational forms can. Also think how much more useful this
>> initial inspiration of artists, writers and researchers in residence could
>> be if these creative and critical roles in the art and cultural sector get
>> embraced and encouraged more often and more intentionally.
>>
>> Z. Blace
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: ? structural problems overview (WAS: Uplifting the multimedia stack (was: Community Wishlist Survery))

[Željko Blaće]

Hm...actually I am hopeful of changes in 2022, at least at the level of
most engaged Wikimedians with bottom-up organizing efforts like SWAN, HUBs
and other initiatives (some of de-centering is starting to emerge), as well
as the very top as the new WMF CEO is bound to make just by having to fill
so many places and starting to structurally address issues *(with both
fresh eyes and background in development)...

What I worry about is that many in the middle are harder to move as they do
not see personal agency (maybe burdened by history) or are super strategic
over personal commitments if employed (maybe burdened by lack of
flexibility in WMF).

What could be a useful overview of Structural problems in Wikimedia in
order for Wikimedians to navigate and engage better?

I am sure this was addressed at some point in some of the strategy building
processes both for the 2030 Movement and 2025 WMF strategy, but it is
probably not summarized, framed as such and made prominent *(mabe it is
called challenges and tucked under the first follow-up 'solution'
initiative).

If anyone feels like sharing those as links or notes please do:
https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/WM-structural-problems-overview


On Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 11:48 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
galder...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I would be great to continue discussing this on Meta if someone would
> solve the issues. I doubt this is going to happen. Ever.
> --
> *From:* Željko Blaće 
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 2, 2022 12:17 PM
> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List 
> *Cc:* Wikimedia Commons Discussion List ;
> Wikitech-l 
> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] ? structural problems overview (WAS: Uplifting
> the multimedia stack (was: Community Wishlist Survery))
>
> Dear ALL -
> this was informative discussion on several issues,
> but I fear the mailing-list is likely an inadequate way
> to see all the structural problems and this complexity
> with adequate distance (beyond single issue discussions).
>
> Now I wonder if it makes more sense maybe, to use
> (sorry for being so blunt here) a page on Meta (?!)
> for listing structural problems and organizing online event or two
> (maybe an office hour format) with few people on the WMF side.
>
> Who can list the biggest 'red flags' that manifest
> as huge and hard to solve issues (affecting major resources,
> not just multimedia, though it is very dear to me also).
>
> To be fair to all - not to expect too much, but to gain overview.
> I would love to attend this even if it only helps me understand
> the fragility of the Wikimedia system and all challenges ahead.
>
> Best Z. Blace
>
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[Wikimedia-l] ? structural problems overview (WAS: Uplifting the multimedia stack (was: Community Wishlist Survery))

[Željko Blaće]

Dear ALL -
this was informative discussion on several issues,
but I fear the mailing-list is likely an inadequate way
to see all the structural problems and this complexity
with adequate distance (beyond single issue discussions).

Now I wonder if it makes more sense maybe, to use
(sorry for being so blunt here) a page on Meta (?!)
for listing structural problems and organizing online event or two
(maybe an office hour format) with few people on the WMF side.

Who can list the biggest 'red flags' that manifest
as huge and hard to solve issues (affecting major resources,
not just multimedia, though it is very dear to me also).

To be fair to all - not to expect too much, but to gain overview.
I would love to attend this even if it only helps me understand
the fragility of the Wikimedia system and all challenges ahead.

Best Z. Blace
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Community Wishlist Survey 2022 is coming. Help us and prepare

[Željko Blaće]

Nice. This looks much better than before. Previously it felt so many people
had high hopes for projects that are outside of capacities that are
committed to this project. I feel this needs to be a super clear fact from
the start and not ask for the global community to commit XYZ number of
hours in the actions of promoting, translating, proposing and decision
making processes when developers can commit far less back to the same
community. Otherwise it feels like unbalanced work from a more holistic
perspective, but this is also non-exceptional...no?
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[Wikimedia-l] Is (Wikipedian-in-residence, a proposal) to update?

[Željko Blaće]

Before this last 21st day in the 21st year of 21st century
is globally over, I try to re-initiate re-thinking
on this 15 years old proposal for a Wikipedian-in-residence
http://original-research.blogspot.com/2006/12/wikipedian-in-residence-proposal.html
but also articles in (only) 27 language Wikipedias,

Meta, Outreach wiki and elsewhere
for updating the notion of WIR and roles it performs in Wikimedia,
an ecosystem of diverse entities, dynamics and relations.

As Wikimedians with wider perspective than a single wiki project, often
more than a single language and for sure more than single community, gear
up to discuss and act on 2030 strategy, that includes new initiatives, new
formations of decentering resources, new content, forms and methods of
working, with new priorities, conditions, tools, services and what
not…there is also a value in reflecting and reimagining what is already
established but often overlooked practice.

Some of the WIR practitioners have been self-reflecting on and off publicly
https://wikistrategies.net/5-things-wikipedian-in-residence/ and engaging
with communities https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc9YgFm2eso there was also
network establishment.
3 years ago WREN UG (Wikimedians in Residence Exchange Network User Group)
was recognized with the aim to protect the common elements of the role and
for creating a peer support network of new and experienced WIRs for
collaboration and to encourage a global professional environment which
inspires institutions to appoint persons to engage with Wikimedia.

In recent times Wikipedian-in-Residence, is more often
Wikimedian-in-Residence, in rapid growth of Commons and Wikidata (but also
in 2021 first one in Wiktionary) and sometimes Wikimedian-at-Large, in more
generalized practice of strategy or direction setting work.
Additionally in time of pandemic when doing physical events is challenging
and many of the (potential) partner organizations are closing down or
limiting public events to bare essential, short and transient it is more
important than ever that individuals (rather than cohorts of editathon
enthusiasts) keep revisiting institutions and work with them in a most
flexible mode and scale.

Finally to start both re-visioning and maybe even re-positioning WIRs in
Wikimedia we should think of what this network of ‘free agents’ can bring
towards 2030, beyond what WMF, affiliates, UGs, HUBs, WikiProjects and
other organizational forms can. Also think how much more useful this
initial inspiration of artists, writers and researchers in residence could
be if these creative and critical roles in the art and cultural sector get
embraced and encouraged more often and more intentionally.

Z. Blace
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: [GLAM] 1Lib1Ref is back in 2022 with support for more languages and advanced tasks

[Željko Blaće]

On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 4:07 PM Satdeep Gill  wrote:

> Hello fellow Wikimedians, librarians, and bibliophiles,
>
> I hope you are doing alright, staying healthy and gearing up for the
> upcoming festive season. I am excited to share that we are bringing you
> another iteration of the 1Lib1Ref  as we celebrate
> 21 years of Wikipedia next month.
>
>
> As always, participation is pretty simple. All you need to do is add more
> references to Wikipedia articles and type #1lib1ref in the Edit Summary.
>
> We are bringing you some exciting updates. For instance, seven more
> languages from the CEE region are now supported by the CitationHunt tool
> . Thanks to the amazing volunteer
> efforts of Guilherme Gonçalves  and Gorana
> Gomirac .
>

Interesting. How hard is it to enable new languages? It would be great if
you can enable not just Serbian and Croatian, but also SerboCroatian and
Bosnian (think differences should not be significant).

> If you are already familiar with editing Wikipedia and would like to
> experiment a bit, we are piloting a couple of contribution methods for
> advanced contributors
> 
> in the January 2022 round.
>

Nice.


> Read more about the campaign at the blog post on Diff
> 
> .
> See you all on 15th January 2022!
>
> Regards
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Translating Wikipedia articles

[Željko Blaće]

Hi All - it is an interesting discussion to have and compare experiences.

For smaller languages the situation is much worse both on the level of
technology (DeepL covers only a few languages, GoogleTranslate gets worse)
and communities (having less human resources to correct on wikis and train
software off wiki).

I tried to propose Simple as proxy Wiki for CEE Spring 2021 translation
competition, but it was suboptimal on many levels.
If anyone wants to share notes on these topics and consider options it
would be nice to see how to do it off list.
Maybe on Wikimedia Chat
https://chat.wmcloud.org/wikimedia/channels/lost-in-translation

Best Z.

On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 9:56 AM Ziko van Dijk  wrote:

> Hello James,
> Interesting, what extra tools you have there.
> Andreas, in theory Simple English Wikipedia would be great as an
> international platform for the dissemination of articles. But in
> reality I have the impression that the content of S.E.WP is very
> uneven, the quality is very diverse.
> Galder, nice to hear of these initiatives and what is all possible in
> a joint action.
> Kind regards
> Ziko
>
> Am Do., 16. Dez. 2021 um 19:59 Uhr schrieb James Heilman  >:
> >
> > Hey Ziko
> >
> > We have moved our medical translation efforts, such that MDWiki is our
> starting point.
> >
> > https://mdwiki.org/wiki/WikiProjectMed:Translation_task_force
> >
> > 1) We have also encountered a reference template issue with CTX but have
> built a work around. Our issue appears to relate to  and the
> same reference being used multiple times. What we do is we simply expand
> all the metadata for each instance of the reference before feeding the text
> into CTX. And then we have a bot that shortens all the instances of a
> reference back to one.
> >
> > 2) One of the benefits of using MDWiki is it allows us to keep
> references in the lead and use language that is easier to understand, but
> not be forced to use language as easy as Simple English. It has also
> allowed us to automatically generate a leaderboard to track progress and
> impact of our translation efforts. Additionally we only encourage people to
> translate the leads as that is only that has been medically checked for
> accuracy.
> https://mdwiki.toolforge.org/Translation_Dashboard/leaderboard.php
> >
> > Best
> > James
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 5:34 AM Andreas Kolbe 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks, Ziko. Does anyone use Simple English Wikipedia as a basis for
> their translations?
> >>
> >> I reckon DeepL – which is by far the best machine translation program
> around, in the languages it covers – might do an even better job with those
> (provided the Simple English article is itself of good quality, and worth
> translating).
> >>
> >> Andreas
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Announcing an academic conference on Wikipedia translation

[Željko Blaće]

Dear Mark and conference organizers - it totally slipped my mind that the
conference started yesterday and lasts till tomorrow late.
Would the recording of the conference be available in any shape and form?

Best Z. Blace

On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 12:32 PM Mark SHUTTLEWORTH 
wrote:

> Dear Friends and Colleagues
>
> Many thanks for your messages and apologies for the slow response.
>
> I've discussed the situation with my colleagues and everyone agrees that
> we could certainly consider waiving the fee in the right circumstances, and
> we've updated the conference website (
> https://ctn.hkbu.edu.hk/wikiconf2021/) to reflect this. I haven't yet
> made a rapid grant request but I'll certainly follow that up, and I'm also
> wondering if that suggestion that Anne made earlier was still possibly on
> the table? Unfortunately it would be difficult to reschedule the conference
> at this stage to allow an application via the Conference Grants round
> though.
>
> Anyone with an interest in translation on Wikipedia would be very welcome
> to submit a paper proposal. The Call for Papers assumes that paper
> proposals will be research-based but I think it would be really excellent
> to have contributions from practitioners as well, and if we have enough we
> could for example dedicate a session to them. I also think the opportunity
> that the conference could potentially give for stimulating exchanges
> between practitioners and researchers would be very exciting.
>
> Best regards
>
> Mark
>
> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 21:59, Oby Ezeilo  wrote:
>
>> Hello Mark. Wonderful idea. I am Oby Ezeilo of The Igbo Wikimedia User
>> Group in Nigeria, Just want to ask, if we are to join online do we need to
>> pay the same amount?
>> Regards
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 2:21 PM Chen Almog  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mark,
>>>
>>> If you are willing to consider postponing the event just a bit, to
>>> January, you can also apply for the upcoming Conference Grants round. The
>>> deadline for submission will be in early September.
>>>
>>> I'm happy to help and answer any questions.
>>>
>>> Chen
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021, 16:16 Samuel Klein  wrote:
>>>
 This looks lovely, thank you for organizing it Mark.
 You can submit a rapid grant request
  for support for
 online participation.

 This seems like something of interest to developers of Translate
  + Content
 Translation  +
 translatewiki , the
 current WMF language & translation team
 , and the
 people working on Lexicographical data
  in
 Wikidata :)  You might want to explicitly invite some of those networks.

 SJ

 On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 1:48 AM Mark SHUTTLEWORTH 
 wrote:

> Dear friends and colleagues
>
> Further to my message at the end of last month and the queries that
> one or two of you made, I'd like to notify you of the following:
>
> 1. the conference will now be 100% online
> 2. the deadline for submission of proposals has been extended to 30th
> June 2021
>
> Full updated details and Call for Papers can be found on the
> conference website at https://ctn.hkbu.edu.hk/wikiconf2021/.
>
> Best regards
>
> Mark Shuttleworth
>
> On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 at 12:13, Mark SHUTTLEWORTH 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear friends and colleagues
>>
>> Please permit me to publicise an academic conference that we're
>> holding at Hong Kong Baptist University on 15-17 December 2021.
>>
>> The conference will be an ideal forum in which to discuss research
>> methodologies, issues of collaborativity, theoretical frameworks that 
>> have
>> proven valuable for the study of Wikipedia translation, the use of
>> Wikipedia in the translation classroom and by translation professionals,
>> and the nature of Wikipedia translation and how it differs not only from
>> other more traditional types of translation but also from other newly
>> emerging types. While the conference's main focus is interlingual
>> translation within the online encyclopaedia, we are also interested
>> in research into the multilingual Wikipedia that makes no explicit
>> reference to translation issues.
>>
>> The conference will be online, face-to-face or mixed mode, depending
>> on prevailing circumstances. Please see the conference website at
>> https://ctn.hkbu.edu.hk/wikiconf2021/ for full details and the Call
>> for Papers.
>>
>> I hope to see some of you there!
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> Professor Mark Shuttleworth 夏致遠
>> Department of Translation, Interpreting and 

[Wikimedia-l] CivilSociety content gap?

[Željko Blaće]

Happy Human Rights Day to all!

Maybe this is not the worse day to reflect if Wikimedia
and different language instances of Wikipedia
have a CivilSociety content gap? How big is it?

My intuition from observing just a bit is that there is one,
especially when compared to institutions and corporations,
but maybe someone already did research or has tool skills
to extract and present some data?

Considering Wikimedia Foundation is registered as an NGO,
I think it would good to have in mind some of the issues NGOs
face with visibility (as well as Wikimedia movement),
just because we do not pay ADs in corp. media and
get routinely reported on by state owned media...
Maybe a good point in time to reflect on this and do something?

Best Z. Blace
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Save the date: Movement Strategy Co-Creation Workshop on "Hubs" on November 27

[Željko Blaće]

Hi All
I am interested in contributing to this development but also like
Riskier have this day fixed long ago (so could likely only join as an
observer for part of it). Think that the agenda for 27th is ambitious
especially if it includes many people and all of the mentioned open
questions. It would be great if the session is planned with answering
only some of these questions in order of urgency (which is relative to
needs of different entities, but still possible to do) and some
questions can more easily be answered in 2022 and maybe in different
ways.

I would suggest for 2022 to consider also more focused work sessions
(focus groups?) by separating regional and thematic hubs, as well as
maybe just grouping 2-3 hubs at the time for 'bilateral' or
'trilateral' prototyping worksessions of tentative coordinations
mechanisms and collaboration agendas. This is something that I think
can be useful action for both general synchronization and individual
Hub initiatives to advance, as well as give agency (and resources) for
the hubs to develop methodologies that are not from WMF and general
with 'always' 'everyone' in mind (pressure that is also a hurdle for
practicalities to be addressed 'better'). These findings can then be
circulated again both globally and contextually within constituencies
of each of the hubs.

Best Z.
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Nov 19: Meta-Wiki 20 Day!

[Željko Blaće]

On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 9:03 PM Pharos  wrote:

> Meta-Wiki is marking *20* years on Friday, 19 November 2021.
>
> Let's use it as an opportunity to celebrate and revisualization our
> best/worst project!
>
> *RSVP here:* https://meta.wiki20.org
>
> With virtual hosting support by WikiConference North America on their
> Hopin account.
>
>- Time: 15:00 UTC  - 19:00
>UTC 
>
> We'll look at everything from 2001's Moving commentary out of Wikipedia
>  to
> 2021's Wikimedia Social Suite
> , with detours at
> Meta's best and worst and most-needed pages, and beyond!
>
> Thanks,
> Richard
> (User:Pharos)
>

*:-) Lovely*

Let's talk about everything, but also...

...maybe we can:

   - *brainstorm* an approach how to do it in (semi) structured way:
  - by opening a few etherpads in advance?
  - by audio or video recording chats?
   - *do a tiny action* or more (depending on interest):
  - disambiguating or decoupling some of the Meta-mess?
  - look for the most beautiful page on Meta?

I am interested in animating online meetings to be more than
high-resolution video of un(der)structured talking (heads). Maybe this can
be an opportunity?
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Marketing Mail] Re: Small gratitude to our fellow wikimedians

[Željko Blaće]

Maybe a good approach would be also to have a global rename of the user
account to add something like _(.) so it is systematic and 'obvious' across
all Wikimedia projects - no?
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: ZH > HR Wikipedia (WAS: Regarding a series of serious office actions / 有关于一系列的办事处行动)

[Željko Blaće]

On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 10:12 PM Andreas Kolbe  wrote:

> Željko,
>
> Thanks for your observations.
>

Andreas - I really wish these were my personal observations and reality is
better. It is not.

Many (if not majority) of HR Wikipedia editors who look at this have
noticed that we were not approached in any way ahead, during or after the
research (literally we do not know if anyone was interviewed by the
researcher as claimed, as not one person confirmed this still). This is
fairly disappointing and hard to imagine why.

Whoever thinks that fixing content of smaller Wikipedias is enough, without
fixing the relations, resources and establishing good practices of
community, is likely just focused on dodging bad PR and would not care for
the Wikimedia as a whole in its full complexity.



> How do you feel things are developing in the Croatian Wikipedia now?
>

I think very very slowly moving forward. Considering the burnouts in the
past decade, exhausting work in 2020, distrust atmosphere among current
contributors and lack of capacities in the community, I am not too
surprised. Year ago I had a short chat with Asaf about possibilities for
capacity development in HR and sadly WMF just opted then for a more
specialized online training courses as a focus, so I do not expect this
will change much or quickly on WMF side...

My hopes and focus is now with CEE HUB, individual and informal efforts,
but it is an uphill (technocratic) struggle to get support for too many
things.


> What has (or hasn't) happened since the report was published?
>

There was no quality discussion of collaborating across projects.
There was no influx of new users to HR. Few of us make very strong efforts
right now.
There was also no return of expert users that burned out in the past
decade. Maybe they await an official apology or something more specific
from Wikimedia as a reassurance that this will not happen again and
technocratic excuses for passivity will never be the norm? I was not part
of this generation - just guessing.
There was no follow up step by WMF to explain what, why and how to maybe
act in future in regards to HR.

Maybe we really were just a case study of 'capture' situation...lets see if
the new CEO is more eager to de-center focus and hopefully resources, as
well as to work with and for new generations (and other axes of difference)
of potential Wikimedia contributors.

Best, Z. Blace


> Best,
> Andreas
>
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 11:26 AM Željko Blaće  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 6:16 PM Maggie Dennis 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Community “capture” is a real and present threat. For years, the
>>> movement has been widely aware of challenges in the Croatian Wikipedia,
>>> with documentation going back nearly a decade. The Foundation recently set
>>> up a disinformation team, which is still finding its footing and assessing
>>> the problem, but which began by contracting an external researcher to
>>> review that project and the challenges and help us understand potential
>>> causes and solutions for such situations.[4]
>>>
>>
>> Dear Maggie - thank you for writing this, but I fear it can be wrongly
>> interpreted *(already did to a few people who got in touch) as it was
>> worded in a non/explicit way. I would like to point that:
>>
>> #1 both WMF and Wikimedians were aware of issues with HR Wikipedia and
>> nothing has been done for a decade, aside from handful last year to remove
>> 4 of right-wing admins*(Wiktionary and Wikisource, are still with rightwing
>> admin control)...
>> WMF actions are sadly post-festum and with a very limited scope.
>>
>> #2 HR was not abducted by some well organized and resourced entity, but
>> by handful of extreme rightwingers (one unmerried couple + their closest
>> neo-nazi friend and 3 submissive mediocrats...including 40+ proven but
>> likely 60+ sock puppets) with silent and passive conservative 'center'
>> majority of woters.
>>
>> #3 an external researcher contractor was not really reviewing the full
>> project, but mainly content *(very little on social dynamics and
>> capacities) and in doing so failed to understand the challenges of
>> under-resourced and asocial 'community'... This is why solutions suggested
>> in findings included impossible language and project merges, rather than
>> anything that would enable self-governance, expansion of the pool of
>> contributors and sustainable and ambitious work *(like in Serbia for
>> example).
>>
>> Hope with these distinctions it is more obvious the difference between
>> the two and if /how/when/where the learning is applicable or not...
>>
>> Thank you for your professional work.
>>
>> Best Z. Blace

[Wikimedia-l] ZH > HR Wikipedia (WAS: Regarding a series of serious office actions / 有关于一系列的办事处行动)

[Željko Blaće]

On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 6:16 PM Maggie Dennis  wrote:

> Community “capture” is a real and present threat. For years, the movement
> has been widely aware of challenges in the Croatian Wikipedia, with
> documentation going back nearly a decade. The Foundation recently set up a
> disinformation team, which is still finding its footing and assessing the
> problem, but which began by contracting an external researcher to review
> that project and the challenges and help us understand potential causes and
> solutions for such situations.[4]
>

Dear Maggie - thank you for writing this, but I fear it can be wrongly
interpreted *(already did to a few people who got in touch) as it was
worded in a non/explicit way. I would like to point that:

#1 both WMF and Wikimedians were aware of issues with HR Wikipedia and
nothing has been done for a decade, aside from handful last year to remove
4 of right-wing admins*(Wiktionary and Wikisource, are still with rightwing
admin control)...
WMF actions are sadly post-festum and with a very limited scope.

#2 HR was not abducted by some well organized and resourced entity, but by
handful of extreme rightwingers (one unmerried couple + their closest
neo-nazi friend and 3 submissive mediocrats...including 40+ proven but
likely 60+ sock puppets) with silent and passive conservative 'center'
majority of woters.

#3 an external researcher contractor was not really reviewing the full
project, but mainly content *(very little on social dynamics and
capacities) and in doing so failed to understand the challenges of
under-resourced and asocial 'community'... This is why solutions suggested
in findings included impossible language and project merges, rather than
anything that would enable self-governance, expansion of the pool of
contributors and sustainable and ambitious work *(like in Serbia for
example).

Hope with these distinctions it is more obvious the difference between the
two and if /how/when/where the learning is applicable or not...

Thank you for your professional work.

Best Z. Blace
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[Wikimedia-l] Representing-representant of Wiki Projects & Regions (WAS: Re: Results for the most contended Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election)

[Željko Blaće]

On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 5:47 AM Butch Bustria  wrote:
> Congratulations to the 4 winners.
> I saw that the STV system unveiled how the 4th and 5th positions (appears to 
> be from a G7 country and a non G7 country) had switched. I am interested to 
> know from which sector/s or Wikimedia project brought the switch of those two 
> positions (starting from the 8th iteration).
> I also observed that I have no option to choose which wiki I will represent. 
> It appears that the system only allows which wiki I first clicked the central 
> notice link. I tried to go to the other projects and vote, it allowed me to 
> change my vote (still one eligible ballot) but it did not change the project 
> I will represent. I am saying this because it would allow people reading the 
> statistics which project the eligible voter truly represents.
> Despite all the consultations made prior to the elections to bring the 
> emerging communities/ global south to the board it had not accurately painted 
> the picture. I would personally suggest in the future not all candidates vie 
> for the same set of seats. So for instance, there are 4 seats up for grabs, 
> two seats must be reserved for sector A and two seats for sector B. 
> Candidates must select which sector they represent and cannot be both. Then 
> the whole electorate votes for candidates for Sector A board seats and Sector 
> B board seats using the same STV system. Qualifications for Sector A and 
> Sector B seats shall be different and will be decided by the board of 
> trustees with consent from an advisory/ electoral committee. I personally 
> suggest developed communities (from big chapters and wiki projects with large 
> edit participation) and emerging communities (small to medium sized 
> affiliates and wiki projects with medium to small edit participation).
> Kind Regards,
> Butch

I think these are excellent points and should be discussed in general
as a freedom of (de-)association and self-identification.

Best Z. Blace
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia issues in UNDARK.org #Opinion article to check...

[Željko Blaće]

...considering recent discussions on Wikimania and here, this is maybe a
useful opinion piece from  https://
 UNDARK.org/2021/08/12/wikipedia-has-a-language-problem-heres-how-to-fix-it/

It is packed with good insights and while I do not agree with all this, the
final sentence feels kind of brilliant: ... to achieve its stated mission
to “help everyone share in the sum of all knowledge,” they might first need
to create the sum of all Wikipedias.

Best Z. Blace
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Wikimedia Research Showcase] July 21: Effects of campaigns to close content gaps

[Željko Blaće]

Overlapping with Art+Feminism session presenting research on almost the
same topic :-/

Again - calendar synchronization and wikimedia are not at level needed :-(

Best Z. Blace


On Wednesday, July 21, 2021, Janna Layton  wrote:

> The Research Showcase will be starting in about 30 minutes.
>
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 4:59 PM Janna Layton 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> The July Research Showcase will take place on July 21, 16:30 UTC (9:30am
>> PT/ 12:30pm ET/ 18:30pm CEST). The theme is the effects of campaigns to
>> close content gaps on Wikipedia, and speakers will be Kai Zhu from McGill
>> University and Isabelle Langrock from the University of Pennsylvania.
>>
>> Livestream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otN3H-hIImQ
>>
>> Talk 1
>> Speaker: Kai Zhu (McGill University, Canada)
>> Title: Addressing Information Poverty on Wikipedia
>> Abstract: Open collaboration platforms have fundamentally changed the way
>> that knowledge is produced, disseminated, and consumed. In these systems,
>> contributions arise organically with little to no central governance.
>> Although such decentralization provides many benefits, a lack of broad
>> oversight and coordination can leave questions of information poverty and
>> skewness to the mercy of the system’s natural dynamics. Unfortunately, we
>> still lack a basic understanding of the dynamics at play in these systems
>> and specifically, how contribution and attention interact and propagate
>> through information networks. We leverage a large-scale natural experiment
>> to study how exogenous content contributions to Wikipedia articles affect
>> the attention that they attract and how that attention spills over to other
>> articles in the network. Results reveal that exogenously added content
>> leads to significant, substantial, and long-term increases in both content
>> consumption and subsequent contributions. Furthermore, we find significant
>> attention spillover to downstream hyperlinked articles. Through both
>> analytical estimation and empirically informed simulation, we evaluate
>> policies to harness this attention contagion to address the problem of
>> information poverty and skewness. We find that harnessing attention
>> contagion can lead to as much as a twofold increase in the total attention
>> flow to clusters of disadvantaged articles. Our findings have important
>> policy implications for open collaboration platforms and information
>> networks.
>>
>> Talk 2
>> Speaker: Isabelle Langrock (University of Pennsylvania, USA)
>> Title: Quantifying and Assessing the Impact of Two Feminist Interventions
>> Abstract: Wikipedia has a well-known gender divide affecting its
>> biographical content. This bias not only shapes social perceptions of
>> knowledge, but it can also propagate beyond the platform as its contents
>> are leveraged to correct misinformation, train machine-learning tools, and
>> enhance search engine results. What happens when feminist movements
>> intervene to try to close existing gaps? In this talk, we present a recent
>> study of two popular feminist interventions designed to counteract digital
>> knowledge inequality. Our findings show that the interventions are
>> successful at adding content about women that would otherwise be missing,
>> but they are less successful at addressing several structural biases that
>> limit the visibility of women within Wikipedia. We argue for more granular
>> and cumulative analysis of gender divides in collaborative environments and
>> identify key areas of support that can further aid the feminist movements
>> in closing Wikipedia’s gender gaps.
>>
>> --
>> Janna Layton (she/her)
>> Administrative Associate - Product & Technology
>> Wikimedia Foundation 
>>
>
>
> --
> Janna Layton (she/her)
> Administrative Associate - Product & Technology
> Wikimedia Foundation 
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Foundation org chart

[Željko Blaće]

On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 11:17 PM Dggenwp  wrote:
> The projects are the route by  which content is added to Wikipedia. The 
> purpose of Wikipedia is not to have an organisation—the purpose  is to have 
> and distribute free content. Everything else is superstructure—everything 
> except the individual volunteers and the projects. This superstructure can be 
> important, but not essential — the volunteers are capable of organising 
> themselves and maintaining the projects. The foundation by itself is capable 
> of almost nothing, as it doesn’t add content. The chapters are of value, 
> primarily in recruiting contributors—without that, they’d just be social 
> clubs.
>
> The volunteers and the projects to which they add content are what matters. 
> The three key functions of the organisation are maintaining MediaWiki  (but 
> that’s a volunteer effort also) in raising the small amount of essential 
> funding, and the critically important political work of supporting freedom of 
> the internet and of speech more generally. But our influence for this is 
> because people in the world use the content the volunteers add to the 
> projects. The structure must be organised around them. We are here to build 
> an encyclopaedia.


Without wish to argue against anything of what you wrote (can
certainly agree with orientation), I would add (somewhat in your
style) that this is 2021 and Wikimedia sister projects have also their
own dynamics as well as playing part in the larger ecosystem of open
knowledge, code, media, information, but also related dissemination,
development, deployment, publication, participation, coordination,
collaboration, education, preservation and other types of work that is
non-encyclopedic.

Btw it is a good practice not to speak for everyone, even when this is
partial truth, as it is not the only and nothing but the truth for
everyone here ;-)

Best Z.
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimania 2021 Registration Open

[Željko Blaće]

EVENTBRITE (corporate data capture) as the only option?
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Foundation org chart

[Željko Blaće]

On Tuesday, July 6, 2021, Ciell Wikipedia  wrote:

> Thank you Bill, I always find organisation charts very much enlightening,
> and have been missing something like it for the WMF for some time now.
>

I feel the same. We need much much more of diagramatic content and higher
level of organizational understanding for all Wikimedia contributors.



> I think all the departments of the WMF-side are equal, right? For
> instance, legal has no higher 'status' then fundraising or research:
> employees are equals, just with a different function in the
> organisation.Therefore all the different departments should be presented in
> a horizontal line, not a vertical one, like in this one
>  for
> example.
>

Kind of good point, but maybe scale (same size) is enough to represent
equals, rather than direction/orientation? Not an expert.

BTW.
.svg file export would be best
for the posibility of translation
within Wikimedia Commons ;-)


Best, Z.


> Vriendelijke groet,
> Ciell
>
>
> Op di 6 jul. 2021 om 01:03 schreef Bill Takatoshi  >:
>
>> Earlier today I tried to predict what the WMF org chart will look
>> like, but I wasn't confident about my suggestion, so I created a new
>> email account, subscribed it to wikimedia-l, and tried to send from
>> there. I learned that new subscribers are moderated, which seems
>> sensible given the level of trolling and disruption, and have since
>> improved the prediction and become more confident about it. I have
>> since learned that HTML email with embedded email attachments aren't
>> allowed either, so, Moderators, please reject my earlier anonymous
>> submission(s).
>>
>> This is what I predict the Wikimedia organizational chart will look
>> like in one year's time:
>>
>>  https://i.ibb.co/HPzpqLt/WMF-orgchart.png
>>
>> Please critique it! If you are running for the Board of Directors, I
>> am especially interested in your critique of this prediction.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> -Will
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Update on Croatian Wikipedia evaluation

[Željko Blaće]

On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 10:45 PM Željko Blaće  wrote:
>
> Thank you for publishing this, but in all honesty it feels as a bit
> too little too late.
>
> After a quick reading of the summary I am somewhat disappointed that
> the investigation commissioned by WMF was so reductive in presenting
> the complexity of the situation (it is not all about the language) and
> keeping it content centric *(with very few people/social centric
> observations). WMF also did not reflect on more than a decade of
> itself being a more-less passive observer (if even observer) of
> frustrations of contributors to Wikipedia in Croatian language*
> (calling it Croatian Wikipedia is a part of the problem as it adds to
> the nation-state perception of Wikipedia). In this decade aspirations
> with UCoC makes me wonder how WMF's lack of action would pass here?
>
> For Wikipedians who spent over a decade asking for help *(many have
> burned out and will not return even now that situation is better) it
> would likely be useful to hear some kind of a sign of apology for the
> lack of interest, oversight and support on the WMF side. As for the
> recommendations presented, these at best may be well intended but also
> seem fairly technocratic in approach and naive at what the capacities
> and conditions of work are in the wider context and in the project
> itself.
>
> Best Z. Blace


Minor update - second biggest TV broadcaster in Croatia covered the story
with few mistakes and good intentions, as well as a naive conclusion
that all is resolved now and also thanks to the research by WMF :-/
https://www.rtl.hr/vijesti-hr/novosti/hrvatska/4057588/hrvatska-wikipedija-napokon-prestaje-biti-leglo-dezinformacija-povijesnog-revizionizma-i-relativiziranja-ratnih-zlocina/

Best Z. Blace
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Update on Croatian Wikipedia evaluation

[Željko Blaće]

Thank you for publishing this, but in all honesty it feels as a bit
too little too late.

After a quick reading of the summary I am somewhat disappointed that
the investigation commissioned by WMF was so reductive in presenting
the complexity of the situation (it is not all about the language) and
keeping it content centric *(with very few people/social centric
observations). WMF also did not reflect on more than a decade of
itself being a more-less passive observer (if even observer) of
frustrations of contributors to Wikipedia in Croatian language*
(calling it Croatian Wikipedia is a part of the problem as it adds to
the nation-state perception of Wikipedia). In this decade aspirations
with UCoC makes me wonder how WMF's lack of action would pass here?

For Wikipedians who spent over a decade asking for help *(many have
burned out and will not return even now that situation is better) it
would likely be useful to hear some kind of a sign of apology for the
lack of interest, oversight and support on the WMF side. As for the
recommendations presented, these at best may be well intended but also
seem fairly technocratic in approach and naive at what the capacities
and conditions of work are in the wider context and in the project
itself.

Best Z. Blace
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Why I am a candidate for the WMF board

[Željko Blaće]

On 6/13/21, Gerard Meijssen  wrote:
> https://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2021/06/board-member-of-wikimedia-foundation.html

Good for you Gerard. However it would be better if your inputs would
not consistently direct away from Wikimedia infrastructure for
communication and publishing to the one that is owned and controlled
by blogspot.com ;-)

Good luck!
Z. Blace
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Announcing an academic conference on Wikipedia translation

[Željko Blaće]

Also interested in contributing, but registration fee is something that
puts me off when approaching academic conferences, especially now when
online so much of the cost is reduced.

Best - Z. Blace


On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 9:22 AM Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> This is really interesting. I take care of les sans pagEs community on
> fr-wikii and we translate a lot from English, a little from Spanish and
> Italian. I would keen to participate, thanks for sharing!
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Nattes à chat
>
>
> Le 27 mai 2021 à 07:47, Mark SHUTTLEWORTH  a écrit :
>
> Dear friends and colleagues
>
> Further to my message at the end of last month and the queries that one or
> two of you made, I'd like to notify you of the following:
>
> 1. the conference will now be 100% online
> 2. the deadline for submission of proposals has been extended to 30th June
> 2021
>
> Full updated details and Call for Papers can be found on the conference
> website at https://ctn.hkbu.edu.hk/wikiconf2021/.
>
> Best regards
>
> Mark Shuttleworth
>
> On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 at 12:13, Mark SHUTTLEWORTH 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear friends and colleagues
>>
>> Please permit me to publicise an academic conference that we're holding
>> at Hong Kong Baptist University on 15-17 December 2021.
>>
>> The conference will be an ideal forum in which to discuss research
>> methodologies, issues of collaborativity, theoretical frameworks that have
>> proven valuable for the study of Wikipedia translation, the use of
>> Wikipedia in the translation classroom and by translation professionals,
>> and the nature of Wikipedia translation and how it differs not only from
>> other more traditional types of translation but also from other newly
>> emerging types. While the conference's main focus is interlingual
>> translation within the online encyclopaedia, we are also interested
>> in research into the multilingual Wikipedia that makes no explicit
>> reference to translation issues.
>>
>> The conference will be online, face-to-face or mixed mode, depending on
>> prevailing circumstances. Please see the conference website at
>> https://ctn.hkbu.edu.hk/wikiconf2021/ for full details and the Call for
>> Papers.
>>
>> I hope to see some of you there!
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> Professor Mark Shuttleworth 夏致遠
>> Department of Translation, Interpreting and Intercultural Studies
>> Hong Kong Baptist University
>> Phone: +852 3411 6641
>> http://www.tran.hkbu.edu.hk
>> https://ctn.hkbu.edu.hk/wikiconf2021/
>>
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[Wikimedia-l] Happy #May17 #IDAHOT #IDAHOTBITQ

[Željko Blaće]

What is May 17th?

The International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia was
created in 2004 to draw the attention to the violence and discrimination
experienced by lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, intersex people and all
other people with diverse sexual orientations, gender identities or
expressions, and sex characteristics. The date of May 17th was specifically
chosen to commemorate the World Health Organization’s decision in 1990 to
declassify homosexuality as a mental disorder. https://may17.org

One year ago in 2020 we started QueeringW in hope #1 Queering Wikipedia
conference would be happening with a year of delay...now we hope it is in
2022!

Meanwhile we are "Together, we Resist, Support, and Heal"

Happy #May17 #IDAHOT #IDAHOTBITQ
for those who celebrate and would support
https://www.instagram.com/QueeringW
@may17org  #IDAHOT
 #IDAHOT2021

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimania Updates - Scholarships and Sessions

[Željko Blaće]

On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 9:11 AM Ted Chien  wrote:

> I agree child care should be one of the scholarship options.
>

I fully agree, but also not just care for babies and kids,
but also elderly and sick which are much more in danger in a pandemic.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Txikipedia APP launched

[Željko Blaće]

Brilliant!
This needs translations and localizations asap :-)

On Mon, 1 Mar 2021 at 19:32, matteo ruffoni  wrote:

> Beautiful! Thanks a lot for your work, I hope we can do the same for
> Italian language
>
> Il lun 1 mar 2021, 13:42 Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga 
> ha scritto:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> It has been three years since Basque wikimedians launched Txikipedia
>> , the children version of our most famous
>> Encyclopedia. Txikipedia, small and free, has grown to nearly 3.000
>> articles and lots of education projects are being made at schools to
>> enhance, create and learn Txikipedia.
>>
>>
>> Last year we launched an App for Android
>>  and
>> iOS  to help
>> children finding the content they want. Today, we have launched a national
>> advertisement campaign to promote both Txikipedia and the App. A long
>> video, jingles at radio and a small ad at television will be broadcasted in
>> the forthcoming days. Because "parenthood is difficult. With Txikipedia is
>> a little bit easier".
>>
>>
>> Banners at media, Txikipedia based questions inside chidren TV shows and
>> a powerful social media campaign will booster our app and project. We have
>> partnered with Hiru Damatxo  idea factory
>> to create an idea calling parents to install the app in their children's
>> mobiles/tablets, so they can safely find information designed for their
>> age. Because parenthood is difficult, but with Txikipedia is a little bit
>> easier.
>>
>> You can help us spreading the word:
>>
>>-  YouTube video (eu, en subtitles):
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSL8APE-4gk
>>- Relevant tweet:
>>https://twitter.com/euwikipedia/status/1366298410513440770
>>- Facebook:
>>https://www.facebook.com/EuskarazkoWikipedia/posts/1306344716418604
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Galder
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] #forQuestioningUCoC : Online_edit-a-thon_Tech_February_2021#Conclusion

[Željko Blaće]

On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 01:34, Benjamin Lees  wrote:

> Željko, I am really having trouble understanding what point you are making
> or why this is appropriate for this list. Would you be able to clarify?
>

Sure. It is illustration of how complicated is to be productive and bring
in new people to Wikipedia to work on content gaps.

Edit-a-thon was focused on filling the gap on info about organized tech
unions in Europe. They were zoombombed and experiences content suppression.

I would not think of them as one of vulnerable or under-organized social
group but even they experienced fairly quickly the worse of it.

I the moment of discussion over UCoC I felt that sense of urgency to fix
things practically and fast got lost.

Best Z. Blace

On Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 6:13 PM Željko Blaće  wrote:
>
>> Dear ALL -
>> Especially #forQuestioningUCoC this is what working on Wikipedia is in
>> 2021 even to a tech savy folks:
>>
>> "While it was an overall positive experience, we also had hiccups
>> including getting Zoom bombed by racist trolls, and dealing with
>> immediate deletions of articles for various reasons. In Italian
>> Wikipedia, an editor is arguing that Amazon worker organization has no
>> encyclopedic value! See the discussion at
>> it:Discussione:Organizzazione dei dipendenti di Amazon."
>>
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Organized_Labour/Online_edit-a-thon_Tech_February_2021#Conclusion
>>
>> Best Z
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[Wikimedia-l] #forQuestioningUCoC : Online_edit-a-thon_Tech_February_2021#Conclusion

[Željko Blaće]

Dear ALL -
Especially #forQuestioningUCoC this is what working on Wikipedia is in
2021 even to a tech savy folks:

"While it was an overall positive experience, we also had hiccups
including getting Zoom bombed by racist trolls, and dealing with
immediate deletions of articles for various reasons. In Italian
Wikipedia, an editor is arguing that Amazon worker organization has no
encyclopedic value! See the discussion at
it:Discussione:Organizzazione dei dipendenti di Amazon."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Organized_Labour/Online_edit-a-thon_Tech_February_2021#Conclusion

Best Z

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Join us for the first CEE regional education meeting

[Željko Blaće]

Thank you for the reminder!

If session is not recorded on your side is it OK to do it on our side?

These are business hours for CEE and not all work on/for with Wikimedia are
free :-/

Best Z


On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 at 09:59, Sailesh Patnaik 
wrote:

> Dear Wikimedians,
>
> This is a gentle reminder, we have the regional education meeting for CEE
> scheduled today at 13:00 UTC, in 4 hours. You can join the meeting through
> this link:
> https://wikimedia.zoom.us/j/97472628026?pwd=eVlZMU1UM3hOc1o3NFpqSWhYYVlSdz09#success
> We are looking forward to seeing you!
>
> Best!
>
> Sailesh
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 12:22 AM Sailesh Patnaik 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Wikimedians,
>>
>> Hope your February is going well.
>>
>> I am writing this email to invite you all to the very first regional
>> education meeting[1]. This month we are starting with our community members
>> based in the CEE region[2]. You can use these regional meetings as an
>> opportunity to learn and share your projects, tools, or ideas with the
>> education community from the CEE region.
>>
>> These regional education meetings are planned by the community
>> specialists of the EduWiki Outreach Collaborators (EWOC)[3] and the
>> Education team. We are using this as an opportunity to strengthen the
>> EduWiki network, explore collaboration opportunities, and identify common
>> practices or challenges that are faced by our community members in
>> different regions of the world. We are launching these regional education
>> meetings as a pilot initiative to complement our general monthly office
>> hours[4], we encourage you to participate, share your ideas, and help this
>> become a fully community-led initiative.
>>
>> Our first CEE education meeting will take place on 18th February 2021 at
>> 13:00 UTC , it will be led by
>> Nebojša Ratkovic, Education Program Manager of Wikimedia Serbia[5] and
>> EWOC community specialist for the region. At this CEE meeting, Nebojša
>> will share some highlights from the 15 years of education work by Wikimedia
>> Serbia and have a questions-and-answers round. If you have other ideas,
>> topics, or questions you want to ask, you can add them to the agenda
>> here[6]. We will try to answer them during the meeting. We are looking
>> forward to seeing you there!
>>
>> As a reminder, our general monthly office hours are still available for
>> you to join, share your work, connect with other community members, and get
>> help or advice from the Education team. The next general office hour is
>> scheduled for 24th February 2021 at 14:00 UTC, you can find the topics of
>> the meetings here[7]. If you have any questions, please feel free to reach
>> out to me.
>>
>> Best!
>>
>> Nebojsa, EWOC community specialist team, Sailesh and Education team
>>
>> [1]
>> https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/About/Office_Hours/Regional_Meeting
>>
>> [2]
>> https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/About/Office_Hours/Regional_Meeting/CEE
>>
>> [3]
>> https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/EduWiki_Outreach_Collaborators
>>
>> [4] https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/About/Office_Hours
>>
>> [5] https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Neboysha87
>>
>> [6]
>> https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/About/Office_Hours/Regional_Meeting/CEE#Add_your_agenda
>>
>> [7]
>> https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/About/Office_Hours/February_24_2021
>>
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>>
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>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Surveys using third party tools on Wikimedia projects

[Željko Blaće]

Has Limesurvey been patched since?
(asking as I see it widely used among
some very ethical and tech literate projects)

On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 8:52 AM Asaf Bartov  wrote:

> That tool was Limesurvey.
>
>A.
>
> On Mon, 15 Feb 2021, 08:59 Philippe Beaudette 
> wrote:
>
>> I would also like to add a bit of historical context.  Many years ago,
>> when I worked at the WMF, we were using a FLOSS survey tool (I don't recall
>> which).  We were fairly dependent on it, when one day someone discovered
>> that it was vulnerable to sql injection attacks and Tim Starling (I
>> believe) rightly killed it on our servers. Shortly after that, we moved
>> toward using a non-free tool that was safer and more robust.  I dont recall
>> that the two events were connected, but I would be surprised if they
>> weren't.
>>
>> Tim did the right thing then, even though it meant that we were moved off
>> a FLOSS solution.  Sometimes "Free" just isn't equal, or better.  Sometimes
>> it's an actual honest-to-god security risk and there are reasons why
>> WMF's staff aren't using a free alternative to a proprietary tool.  Did
>> anyone ask?
>>
>> Philippe
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 12:13 AM Risker  wrote:
>>
>>> To clarify to anyone who doesn't want to read the actual proposal, which
>>> Fae did not repeat here:
>>>
>>> *Proposal*
>>>
>>> It is proposed that on Wikimedia Commons that there must be no promotion
>>> of surveys or questionnaires which rely on third party sites and closed
>>> source tools, such as Google Forms. This should be interpreted as a ban
>>> against engaging volunteers by mass messaging, use of banners or posts on
>>> noticeboards.
>>> *Recommended consequential action*
>>>
>>> Banners and posts which go against this proposal may be removed by
>>> anyone.
>>>
>>> Posting account(s) may be blocked or have group rights removed at the
>>> discretion of administrators, such as all rights that enable mass
>>> messaging. In a persistent case, blocks and rights removal may apply to all
>>> accounts of the person responsible. A rationale of doing their job as
>>> part of being a WMF employee is not considered an exemption.
>>>
>>>
>>> Nowthis applies to everyone who posts about a survey at Wikimedia
>>> Commons, as this proposal is strictly related to Commons. It is not a
>>> global proposal.  However, it would apply to researchers, to WMF staff, to
>>> anyone who uses closed-sourced tools.  There is no suggestion at all about
>>> suitable alternative tools.  In fact, there is a severe dearth of quality
>>> open source tools.  Researchers may be bound by their facilities to use
>>> certain types of tools.
>>>
>>> Surveys and questionnaires are always voluntary. There's some
>>> responsibility on the part of the user to read the privacy statements and
>>> use of information statements that are normally mandatory for any
>>> legitimate surveys.  More than once I've started to participate in a survey
>>> and decided it was asking questions I didn't want to answer, and just never
>>> saved them.
>>>
>>>
>>> I think it would also be helpful if someone from WMF Technical could
>>> take the time to discuss with the broader community what arrangements have
>>> been made in their contract with Google to ensure that the information on
>>> those documents (of whatever nature) are not in fact accessible to Google
>>> for their data gathering or any other purposes.  There is, of course, a
>>> certain irony that three of the four people who have commented on this
>>> thread so far all have Gmail email addresses.
>>>
>>>
>>> Risker/Anne
>>>
>>> On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 at 00:24, Gnangarra  wrote:
>>>
 I agree with Fae's proposal if we are using tools that
 exclude community members out of safety and privacy concerns then we arent
 fulfilling the equity goals. I also recognise that alternatives need to be
 available but with no incentive for them to be used then there is no
 development of such tools, or improvements to their functionality. Faes
 proposal is putting the WMF on notice that there are steps we need to take
 to ensure equity, safety, and privacy in participation.

 On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 at 09:08, Łukasz Garczewski <
 lukasz.garczew...@wikimedia.pl> wrote:

> With respect, Fae, if you're going to propose banning an existing
> solution, it is on you to propose a suitable alternative or at least a
> process to find it before the ban takes effect.
>
> I write this as a signatory of Free Software Foundation Europe's Public
> Money? Public Code open letter . I
> am wholeheartedly a proponent of open source software.
>
> At the same time, I am a firm believer in using the best available
> tool for the job.
>
> Our mission is too important to hold ourselves back at every step due
> to a noble but often unrealistic wish to use open source solutions for
> everything we do.
>
> Last year, 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation commitment of support for LGBT+ volunteers

[Željko Blaće]

user or userbox got deleted?
if it was only userbox gone...
...anyway. think assuming good faith is not easy when you have to report
these things often and hope that those in power take action. croatian
wikipedia still has pro-nazi admin (one is banned finnaly after 7years) and
at least 3 maybe 5 on spectrum from right-wing nationalist to
clerical-conservatives (that is majority)

hope you all have a good weekend!
(love that meetings are not as dense)




On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 at 18:29, Amir Sarabadani  wrote:

> And it got deleted, in total it lived under a month and it would have been
> deleted sooner if someone saw it sooner. Instead of using this as an
> argument to say "this wiki is totally bad" assume good faith.
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 8:33 PM Amir Sarabadani 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> I just want to mention that the userbox was created twenty days ago and
>> is now being discussed for deletion.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 8:23 PM Fæ  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Maggie,
>>>
>>> Thanks for publishing this nice and clear restatement of WMF's
>>> commitment to a safe and non-hostile environment for Wikimedia LGBT+
>>> volunteers and those of our community who are a part of minority
>>> groups that we see unfairly targeted with harassment, hounding and
>>> aggression across our projects. This positive response was
>>> impressively fast after working together to share and discuss better
>>> responses to the feedback from members of our WM-LGBT+ user group,
>>> which benefits from a highly varied global membership.
>>>
>>> There will be many readers of this email list that have no direct
>>> experience of the problematic behaviours or the systematic
>>> "unwelcoming" environment that can be experienced across our projects
>>> by minority groups. Here are two illustrative examples that should
>>> raise an eyebrow. These samples are easy to understand and show this
>>> is not a question of folks being too "thin-skinned":
>>>
>>> * Userboxes and user pages may include unwelcoming statements in the
>>> guise of open discrimination through to unpleasant "jokes". Many users
>>> are under the impression that user pages and user talk pages are
>>> semi-private and fair game for free speech and is tolerated even to
>>> the extent of being direct hate speech. Examples include using
>>> swastika or fascist images and claiming membership of hate groups.
>>> This is "tolerated" and some are embedded in templates used for years
>>> as well as on specific user pages. When a LGBT+ Wikimedia contributor
>>> is faced with user pages that openly and proudly are against LGBT+
>>> people to exist or have a family life, the project in total has to be
>>> judged unsafe and hostile. Within our User Group, it is not uncommon
>>> to find LGBT+ contributors are scared to even try editing LGBT+
>>> related topics on these Wikipedias.[1]
>>>
>>> * Articles in multiple languages exist that promote nonsensical and
>>> defamatory race theories, such as claiming that Nenets (an ethnic
>>> group native of arctic Russia) are part of a "neo-Mongoloid" race of
>>> humans. These articles appear to deliberately misuse modern genetic
>>> research and several have relied on user-created unverifiable and
>>> anti-science "genetic maps" hosted on Commons. Some volunteers have
>>> been persistently and politely raising these many cases using local
>>> Wikipedia discussion, and externally with the WMF with the facts about
>>> these defamatory Wikipedias for over a decade. The most common
>>> experience is to be dismissed as a fringe lobbyist through to
>>> administrators warning you from continuing to try to correct these
>>> issues. There has been no systemic response to correct this damaging
>>> misinformation, and the Wikipedias the misinformation is hosted on
>>> remain corrupted with hostile and racist minority views.[2]
>>>
>>> Links:
>>> 1.
>>> *
>>> https://fa.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%A9%DB%8C%E2%80%8C%D9%BE%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%A7:%D8%A7%D9%84%DA%AF%D9%88%D9%87%D8%A7%DB%8C_%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%B1/%D8%B9%D9%84%D8%A7%DB%8C%D9%82=30403894
>>> User interest templates, including a userbox with Hitler portrait,
>>> translates to "This user likes Adolf Hitler".
>>> * https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuario:Matt_Paletto User page on
>>> Spanish Wikipedia which uses an anti-LGBT rainbow flag for showing
>>> they are against same-sex marriage.
>>> https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuario:Matt_Paletto Same user displays
>>> the anti-LGBT flag on the Polish Wikipedia stating they are against
>>> same-sex couples adopting children. There are at least 11 users on the
>>> Polish Wikipedia that use the anti-LGBT flag on their user pages, not
>>> as a "joke".
>>> * On the English Wikipedia
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Barumbarumba displays a different
>>> anti-LGBT symbol to state they are against the "LGBT movement". There
>>> are 17 users that have this symbol on their user pages across
>>> different Wikipedias.
>>>
>>> 2.
>>> * 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Donations - show the editors you care?

[Željko Blaće]

It would be awesome if this list could either have basic moderation and/or
an option to opt out of threads.


On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 at 23:37, Chris Keating 
wrote:

> I think it would be great if this sub-thread could come to an end and we
> could stop having the list clogged up with questions about one person's
> editing history.
>
> Also, I can't quite remember the list policy on people who are blocked
> from one or more Wikipedias for disruptive behaviour contributing here.
> Could one of the list admins clarify?
>

>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
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[Wikimedia-l] please NOT to Telegram as first or only communication channel (WAS: Wikimedia 2030: Mark your calendars! We are meeting on Nov. 21-22)

[Željko Blaće]

On 10/22/20, Kaarel Vaidla  wrote:
> How to participate
...
> * Join our Telegram group [2].

It would be amazing if we could embody the values of movement strategy
whenever we can. Using only Telegram group as recommendation is NOT*.

In general please consider not to endorse commercial and closed source
software as primary communication channel. It is also bad in terms of
usability and intensity/velocity of exchanges in conditions and
context of massive cross-zone/cross-cultural event organizing. Likely
to be a cute looking mess and info bottleneck. I already have multiple
Wikimedia Telegram groups that hard to follow and take more personal
energy then they should at these times of pandemic. Please re-consider
this!

My arguments are presented on the Telegram group itself and your meta
page 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Transition/Global_Conversations#Use_of_Telegram_for_working_official_communication_for_events_-_pls_NO


In Solidarity and with Care
~Zblace

*As a queer person without western privileges I can recommend its
limited use due to phone number privacy and I do also use it myself
but it should be neither only nor first option.

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