[WISPA] WISP For Sale with 100+ Subscribers
At this time, my partner and I would like to solicit inquiries for our WISP for sale. We have 100+ fixed wireless subscribers on a routed StarOS network consisting of 11 broadcast sites (4 additional sites are under contract but not yet deployed with 10+ subscribers already awaiting service from each). Company has zero debt and ultra-low fixed operation costs. All CPE is owned by us and the majority of subscribers are on auto-renewing 2 year contract terms. We are asking 12x - 18x monthly revenue. Business is being sold due to partners' limited time availability. Cash flow positive with a bright future for growth. 75% of new customers presently come from word of mouth referrals. Very little advertising has been done to date as we've focused on network buildout more so than customer acquisition. Great opportunity for anyone looking to acquire or start a WISP. Business can be managed remotely and 30 days of training are included. 90% of the subscribers pay via debit/credit card, billing/invoicing takes less than 1 hour per month. On average, the company receives 3 - 5 support inquires per week which, along with all sales inquiries, are handled by a sub-contractor. The company has ZERO employees! All site surveys, installations, service calls, subscriber and tower maintenance work is handled via a sub-contractor with set pricing. Documented, consistent growth rate with excellent service and support reputation. Approx. 20 - 30 VoIP subscriber accounts are also included in the sale. The wireless network presently utilizes unlicensed spectrum in the 2.4GHz and 5GHz frequencies. Please contact me offlist for additional details and NDA if interested. My personal e-mail address is shannon at kywifi.com Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky Your Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $39.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas === -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Rural Broadband Remains Spotty
All, This article seems to sum it up pretty well. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Rural Broadband Remains Spotty › › › Broadband By Enid Burns | May 8, 2006 Several factors, including geography and population density, account for the 71 percent of American households that either dial-up or don't access the Web from home. A telecommunications report to congressional committees from the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) details barriers to high-speed Internet adoption. Twenty-eight percent of American households subscribed to broadband service in 2005, about 30 million homes. Of the remaining 71 percent of households, 30 percent subscribe to dial-up Internet service, and 41 percent have no home access. Among broadband subscribers, distribution between cable modem and DSL was almost evenly split. DSL is less likely to serve rural residents; service is only available within a three-mile radius of a central office. Certain household factors make residents more or less likely to subscribe to broadband services. Households with high incomes are 39 percent more likely to subscribe to broadband than lower-income households. College-educated heads of households are 12 percent more likely to adopt broadband than households headed by someone without a college degree. While price remains a barrier to adoption, the cost of broadband services has declined over time. Tax is a barrier to subscribing when it equals 10 percent, however when tax amounts to only 5 percent of the rate it doesn't affect subscription rates among rural residents and lower-income households. Broadband providers are available for all but 1 percent of the country's population. Ninety-nine percent of Americans live in 95 percent of the Zip Codes that have at least one ISP offering broadband access. While it appears companies continue to build out infrastructure for broadband access, geography and population density deter providers from further deployment. Federal programs like the Universal Service Fund (USF) and the Department of Agriculture's Rural Utilities Service (RUS) have increased the uptake of broadband service in rural areas. Due to rugged terrain, it's more expensive to deploy land-based broadband in rural areas. The same areas are less populated and return smaller revenues. Broadband providers are more likely to enter a particular market if there's no existing competition, though the land grab appears to be over. By contrast, incumbent telecom and cable providers are likely to roll out or enhance services in markets with new competition. The GAO conducts data collection using Form 477, a government-mandated survey of telecommunications competition and deployment of broadband services. At a Zip Code level, the FCC collects data based on where subscribers are served, not where providers have deployed broadband infrastructure for the report. http://www.clickz.com/stats/sectors/broadband/article.php/3604581 --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] GAO: Broadband Access Difficult To Measure
All, It would seem there are flaws in the way information was collected from the FCC. From the information collected it seems as though only the telecoms are providing broadband and apparently not too quickly in rural areas. As quoted from the article; There's not only a lack of broadband access in rural areas of the U.S., there's a lack of information about broadband access in rural areas, according to a new study by the Government Accountability Office (GAO). Also quoted from the article; Wireless technology was cited as an alternative to the costs of rolling out cable to rural areas, but difficulties in finding available spectrum and negotiating deals with municipalities hindered telecoms' entrance into providing Wi-Fi access in both urban and rural areas. Local municipalities are pursuing their own initiatives to set up wireless Internet access in regions not served by major telecom providers. Full story here; http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2006/05/gao_broadband.html Regards, Dawn DiPietro --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GAO: Broadband Access Difficult To Measure
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d06426.pdf If interested in the WISPA submitted comments on the report Appendix V, Page 62-63. Take note that this report will likely be referred to by every legislators this year, for the basic review of the state of Broadband. I find it an honor and victory, that WISPA was allowed to contribute its comments for support of Wireless in the report. I believe this report will benefit WISPs. It clearly shows, the need for support of WISPs. One must ask themself, why are so many Americans underserved? And how come the dominant technology providers that own the majority market haven't served them yet? Maybe its time to support the alternative solutions, that have not had much support comparatively? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:06 AM Subject: [WISPA] GAO: Broadband Access Difficult To Measure All, It would seem there are flaws in the way information was collected from the FCC. From the information collected it seems as though only the telecoms are providing broadband and apparently not too quickly in rural areas. As quoted from the article; There's not only a lack of broadband access in rural areas of the U.S., there's a lack of information about broadband access in rural areas, according to a new study by the Government Accountability Office (GAO). Also quoted from the article; Wireless technology was cited as an alternative to the costs of rolling out cable to rural areas, but difficulties in finding available spectrum and negotiating deals with municipalities hindered telecoms' entrance into providing Wi-Fi access in both urban and rural areas. Local municipalities are pursuing their own initiatives to set up wireless Internet access in regions not served by major telecom providers. Full story here; http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2006/05/gao_broadband.html Regards, Dawn DiPietro --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GAO: Broadband Access Difficult To Measure
Righto. And keep in mind that high level people tend to consider us telecom providers. Taken in that light, this is (so far) a good thing. The GAO folks that a few of us on the wispa board talked to seemed genuinely interested in what was really going on in the real world. I've not read this yet though, more to put on the list. As an fyi for those that don't know it, wispa was allowed to have someone (Tom D. in this case) proof the report before it was sent out. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] GAO: Broadband Access Difficult To Measure http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d06426.pdf If interested in the WISPA submitted comments on the report Appendix V, Page 62-63. Take note that this report will likely be referred to by every legislators this year, for the basic review of the state of Broadband. I find it an honor and victory, that WISPA was allowed to contribute its comments for support of Wireless in the report. I believe this report will benefit WISPs. It clearly shows, the need for support of WISPs. One must ask themself, why are so many Americans underserved? And how come the dominant technology providers that own the majority market haven't served them yet? Maybe its time to support the alternative solutions, that have not had much support comparatively? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:06 AM Subject: [WISPA] GAO: Broadband Access Difficult To Measure All, It would seem there are flaws in the way information was collected from the FCC. From the information collected it seems as though only the telecoms are providing broadband and apparently not too quickly in rural areas. As quoted from the article; There's not only a lack of broadband access in rural areas of the U.S., there's a lack of information about broadband access in rural areas, according to a new study by the Government Accountability Office (GAO). Also quoted from the article; Wireless technology was cited as an alternative to the costs of rolling out cable to rural areas, but difficulties in finding available spectrum and negotiating deals with municipalities hindered telecoms' entrance into providing Wi-Fi access in both urban and rural areas. Local municipalities are pursuing their own initiatives to set up wireless Internet access in regions not served by major telecom providers. Full story here; http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2006/05/gao_broadband.html Regards, Dawn DiPietro --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer
Sorry about that. I got the brand wrong. It's Avcom. http://www.electro-comm.com/Downloads/ecommwireless.pdf Page 31. You probably want the one with ethernet. Then you can set one up and remotely access it via laptop. (Useful for things like Scriv is fighting with right now) You'll need the frequency converters for your 5.8 gig band checks. These are really really cool units. Wish I had one of them instead of my Advantest big kid one. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: rabbtux rabbtux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Marlon, Could you post a URL? what price range is the equipment? Thanks - marshall On 5/8/06, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: EC carries a nice little unit from Anritsu (sp?). Portable, battery operated, easy to use. You'll need a converter to get the 2.4 gig version to work for 5.8 gig but that's not a big deal. Perfect for a wisp. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Jory Privett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 12:00 AM Subject: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Can someone recommend a fairly simple spectrum analyzer that will do 2.4 and 5.8. I need something that is portable and not to complicated to use. Jory Privett WCCS -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weird problem - 20 seconds latency and other oddness
Yes. It could also be caused by a bad microwave oven. One that's really bad. But to put out 30dB of always on signal wouldn't be that hard to do. Sure screw up a c to i ratio though :-). This could also be a plastics plant that uses 2.4 to heat pellets. Could be a competitor with a screwed up device/customer that's generating far more than normal traffic etc. After talking to John I believe the cause is probably pretty close to the ground though. He's got omni based systems only 10 miles away and they don't see nearly as much of a change. We'd expect nearly as much noise at those as the close in systems if they source were above the trees. It's a fun one. Probably come down to having a guy in the area with a high gain antenna ready to locate the interference when it happens. Two or three reference points at lines drawn on a map should pin point the interference easily enough. If that's what it really turns out to be ;-) Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Michael Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird problem - 20 seconds latency and other oddness If this was rf noise, Arent hamm operators allowed in 2.4 with higher power limits? Could this account for the 5- 10 mile affected area? -Michael David E. Smith wrote: Okay, Scriv and I are stumped on this one. Over the last couple of weeks, we've started seeing some very odd oddness on a few of our 2.4GHz POPs. Not all, just some. Here's what appears to be happening: A couple times a day, usually during business hours, something somewhere generates a massive amount of noise. Connections which report an RF noise of -90 start showing noise levels of -60 (or worse in some cases), as reported by our StarOS access point. If it really is RF noise, it's very broad, as it's simultaneously hitting five or six POPs, some several miles away, but all at the same time. The towers are all running StarOS on Mikrotik RouterBoard hardware, with a mix of Orinoco and Prism cards, some with amps, some not. Some have sectored antennas (180 degrees), some have omnis. Between them, the towers cover just about the entire 2.4 spectrum (obviously, one channel per access point, but we're using at least channels 1, 4, 6, 8, and 11). Those towers are basically identical to several other towers that aren't affected. The other really really weird part is the crazy latency. Pings to the APs themselves are reliable, and our backhaul links (5.3 and 5.8 GHz) don't seem to be affected. And pings to our end-customers don't seem to get lost, they just take their sweet time getting there. While the event is happening, I've seen pings that take in excess of twenty seconds to complete their round trip. 64 bytes from 10.232.175.130: icmp_seq=7 ttl=62 time=27239 ms (I think that's my record. In that particular test, there were no packets lost, they just took a very long time to get there.) I've checked or replaced just about everything I can think of in our network that might cause something like this, and frankly, I'm stumped. I don't think it's a network problem (traffic bursts or similar) because of the weird bursts of RF noise. But that'd have to be one helluva burst of noise to do what it's doing - affecting every channel across ten miles at once. I can go into more detail on any part of the network if you like, though I think all the likely-relevant details are covered here. Help! David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weird problem - 20 seconds latency and other oddness
He's running Star OS and MT as per the original post. Some of the effected ap's are routers. That's one of the first questions I double-checked too! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird problem - 20 seconds latency and other oddness I suspect your system is bridged. Can you confirm that? Lonnie On 5/8/06, David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, Scriv and I are stumped on this one. Over the last couple of weeks, we've started seeing some very odd oddness on a few of our 2.4GHz POPs. Not all, just some. Here's what appears to be happening: A couple times a day, usually during business hours, something somewhere generates a massive amount of noise. Connections which report an RF noise of -90 start showing noise levels of -60 (or worse in some cases), as reported by our StarOS access point. If it really is RF noise, it's very broad, as it's simultaneously hitting five or six POPs, some several miles away, but all at the same time. The towers are all running StarOS on Mikrotik RouterBoard hardware, with a mix of Orinoco and Prism cards, some with amps, some not. Some have sectored antennas (180 degrees), some have omnis. Between them, the towers cover just about the entire 2.4 spectrum (obviously, one channel per access point, but we're using at least channels 1, 4, 6, 8, and 11). Those towers are basically identical to several other towers that aren't affected. The other really really weird part is the crazy latency. Pings to the APs themselves are reliable, and our backhaul links (5.3 and 5.8 GHz) don't seem to be affected. And pings to our end-customers don't seem to get lost, they just take their sweet time getting there. While the event is happening, I've seen pings that take in excess of twenty seconds to complete their round trip. 64 bytes from 10.232.175.130: icmp_seq=7 ttl=62 time=27239 ms (I think that's my record. In that particular test, there were no packets lost, they just took a very long time to get there.) I've checked or replaced just about everything I can think of in our network that might cause something like this, and frankly, I'm stumped. I don't think it's a network problem (traffic bursts or similar) because of the weird bursts of RF noise. But that'd have to be one helluva burst of noise to do what it's doing - affecting every channel across ten miles at once. I can go into more detail on any part of the network if you like, though I think all the likely-relevant details are covered here. Help! David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ATT reselling Wildblue
Has anyone found a way to get long term revenue from a sat. company? We're working with a sat installation company but we're going to have to give away the customers. grr Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:13 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] ATT reselling Wildblue We've installed 9 Wild Blue systems so far here in South Louisiana / Mississippi / Alabama / Texas areas and have had great success with them. WildBlue will be sending up another bird soon to increase capacity and add features. Compared to all the other satellite systems we've dealt with, WildBlue hands down wins. JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 3:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] ATT reselling Wildblue To fill in on rural gaps, ATT is selling Wildblue satellite internet service under its own brand. [http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060508/ap_on_hi_te/at_t_satellite_broadban d_1] The company already has been trying fixed wireless broadband in Alaska, Georgia and New Jersey. One of the technologies mentioned by ATT as part of the trials is WiMax, which is similar to the Wi-Fi technology that underlies Internet hot spots, but offers greater range and speed. Posted by NSP Strategist to NSP Strategist http://radinfo.blogspot.com/2006/05/att-reselling-wildblue.html at 5/08/2006 04:40:00 PM -- Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com/newsletter.htm -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Rural Broadband Remains Spotty
Please notice that at the bottom it specifies another reason why the 477 is so important! laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 3:48 AM Subject: [WISPA] Rural Broadband Remains Spotty All, This article seems to sum it up pretty well. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Rural Broadband Remains Spotty › › › Broadband By Enid Burns | May 8, 2006 Several factors, including geography and population density, account for the 71 percent of American households that either dial-up or don't access the Web from home. A telecommunications report to congressional committees from the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) details barriers to high-speed Internet adoption. Twenty-eight percent of American households subscribed to broadband service in 2005, about 30 million homes. Of the remaining 71 percent of households, 30 percent subscribe to dial-up Internet service, and 41 percent have no home access. Among broadband subscribers, distribution between cable modem and DSL was almost evenly split. DSL is less likely to serve rural residents; service is only available within a three-mile radius of a central office. Certain household factors make residents more or less likely to subscribe to broadband services. Households with high incomes are 39 percent more likely to subscribe to broadband than lower-income households. College-educated heads of households are 12 percent more likely to adopt broadband than households headed by someone without a college degree. While price remains a barrier to adoption, the cost of broadband services has declined over time. Tax is a barrier to subscribing when it equals 10 percent, however when tax amounts to only 5 percent of the rate it doesn't affect subscription rates among rural residents and lower-income households. Broadband providers are available for all but 1 percent of the country's population. Ninety-nine percent of Americans live in 95 percent of the Zip Codes that have at least one ISP offering broadband access. While it appears companies continue to build out infrastructure for broadband access, geography and population density deter providers from further deployment. Federal programs like the Universal Service Fund (USF) and the Department of Agriculture's Rural Utilities Service (RUS) have increased the uptake of broadband service in rural areas. Due to rugged terrain, it's more expensive to deploy land-based broadband in rural areas. The same areas are less populated and return smaller revenues. Broadband providers are more likely to enter a particular market if there's no existing competition, though the land grab appears to be over. By contrast, incumbent telecom and cable providers are likely to roll out or enhance services in markets with new competition. The GAO conducts data collection using Form 477, a government-mandated survey of telecommunications competition and deployment of broadband services. At a Zip Code level, the FCC collects data based on where subscribers are served, not where providers have deployed broadband infrastructure for the report. http://www.clickz.com/stats/sectors/broadband/article.php/3604581 --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] ATT reselling Wildblue
Same same here... Chuck Moses HIGH DESERT WIRELESS BROADBAND COMMUNICATION 16922 Airport Blvd # 3 Mojave CA 93501 661 824 3431 office 818 406 6818 cell -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 8:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT reselling Wildblue Has anyone found a way to get long term revenue from a sat. company? We're working with a sat installation company but we're going to have to give away the customers. grr Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:13 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] ATT reselling Wildblue We've installed 9 Wild Blue systems so far here in South Louisiana / Mississippi / Alabama / Texas areas and have had great success with them. WildBlue will be sending up another bird soon to increase capacity and add features. Compared to all the other satellite systems we've dealt with, WildBlue hands down wins. JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 3:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] ATT reselling Wildblue To fill in on rural gaps, ATT is selling Wildblue satellite internet service under its own brand. [http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060508/ap_on_hi_te/at_t_satellite_broadban d_1] The company already has been trying fixed wireless broadband in Alaska, Georgia and New Jersey. One of the technologies mentioned by ATT as part of the trials is WiMax, which is similar to the Wi-Fi technology that underlies Internet hot spots, but offers greater range and speed. Posted by NSP Strategist to NSP Strategist http://radinfo.blogspot.com/2006/05/att-reselling-wildblue.html at 5/08/2006 04:40:00 PM -- Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com/newsletter.htm -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GAO: Broadband Access Difficult To Measure
I love the title on the official report! hehehehehehe Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 4:06 AM Subject: [WISPA] GAO: Broadband Access Difficult To Measure All, It would seem there are flaws in the way information was collected from the FCC. From the information collected it seems as though only the telecoms are providing broadband and apparently not too quickly in rural areas. As quoted from the article; There's not only a lack of broadband access in rural areas of the U.S., there's a lack of information about broadband access in rural areas, according to a new study by the Government Accountability Office (GAO). Also quoted from the article; Wireless technology was cited as an alternative to the costs of rolling out cable to rural areas, but difficulties in finding available spectrum and negotiating deals with municipalities hindered telecoms' entrance into providing Wi-Fi access in both urban and rural areas. Local municipalities are pursuing their own initiatives to set up wireless Internet access in regions not served by major telecom providers. Full story here; http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2006/05/gao_broadband.html Regards, Dawn DiPietro --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GAO: Broadband Access Difficult To Measure
Tom, Thank you for finding the report and posting a link. As to the WISPA comments, not bad for an industry that does not even show up in the numbers ( see Figure 2: Household Online Connection page 12) probably because the information was flawed. Quoted from the Report Page 3 All percentage estimates from the Knowledge Networks/SRI survey have margins of error of plus or minus 7 percentage points or less, unless otherwise noted. After reading the Conclusion and the Recommendation for Executive Action pgs 37 38. I thought about how some wireless providers were hesitant to fill out the forms and give officials the information to find out where broadband was being provided and by what technologies. Come to find out the form will need to be reworked. Below is the text for Recommendation for Executive Action In a draft of this report provided to FCC for review and comment, GAO recommended that FCC identify and evaluate strategies for improving the 477 data such that the data provide a more accurate depiction of residential broadband deployment throughout the country. In oral comments regarding this recommendation, FCC staff acknowledged that the 477 data have some limitations in detailing broadband deployment, but also noted that there had recently been a proceeding examining its broadband data collection efforts and that some changes to the data collection had been implemented. In that proceeding, the commission also determined that it would be costly and could impose large burdens on filers—particularly small entities—to require any more detailed filings on broadband deployment. Although FCC staff told us that analysis of potential costs had been conducted, exact estimates of these costs and burdens have not yet been determined. Moreover, many have expressed concern about ensuring that all Americans—especially those in rural areas—have access to broadband technologies. Policymakers concerned about full deployment of broadband throughout the country will have difficulty targeting any assistance to that end without accurate and reliable data on localized deployment. As such, we recommend that FCC develop information regarding the degree of cost and burden that would be associated with various options for improving the information available on broadband deployment and should provide that information to the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation and the House Energy and Commerce Committee in order to help them determine what actions, if any, are necessary to employ going forward. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Tom DeReggi wrote: http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d06426.pdf If interested in the WISPA submitted comments on the report Appendix V, Page 62-63. Take note that this report will likely be referred to by every legislators this year, for the basic review of the state of Broadband. I find it an honor and victory, that WISPA was allowed to contribute its comments for support of Wireless in the report. I believe this report will benefit WISPs. It clearly shows, the need for support of WISPs. One must ask themself, why are so many Americans underserved? And how come the dominant technology providers that own the majority market haven't served them yet? Maybe its time to support the alternative solutions, that have not had much support comparatively? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:06 AM Subject: [WISPA] GAO: Broadband Access Difficult To Measure All, It would seem there are flaws in the way information was collected from the FCC. From the information collected it seems as though only the telecoms are providing broadband and apparently not too quickly in rural areas. As quoted from the article; There's not only a lack of broadband access in rural areas of the U.S., there's a lack of information about broadband access in rural areas, according to a new study by the Government Accountability Office (GAO). Also quoted from the article; Wireless technology was cited as an alternative to the costs of rolling out cable to rural areas, but difficulties in finding available spectrum and negotiating deals with municipalities hindered telecoms' entrance into providing Wi-Fi access in both urban and rural areas. Local municipalities are pursuing their own initiatives to set up wireless Internet access in regions not served by major telecom providers. Full story here; http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2006/05/gao_broadband.html Regards, Dawn DiPietro --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] GAO: Broadband Access Difficult To Measure
Marlon, You may want to take the time to at least read the Results in Brief page 3, Conclusion page 37, Recommendation for Executive Action, page 38 and IF you have time the WISPA comments...of course. ;-P Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Righto. And keep in mind that high level people tend to consider us telecom providers. Taken in that light, this is (so far) a good thing. The GAO folks that a few of us on the wispa board talked to seemed genuinely interested in what was really going on in the real world. I've not read this yet though, more to put on the list. As an fyi for those that don't know it, wispa was allowed to have someone (Tom D. in this case) proof the report before it was sent out. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] GAO: Broadband Access Difficult To Measure http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d06426.pdf If interested in the WISPA submitted comments on the report Appendix V, Page 62-63. Take note that this report will likely be referred to by every legislators this year, for the basic review of the state of Broadband. I find it an honor and victory, that WISPA was allowed to contribute its comments for support of Wireless in the report. I believe this report will benefit WISPs. It clearly shows, the need for support of WISPs. One must ask themself, why are so many Americans underserved? And how come the dominant technology providers that own the majority market haven't served them yet? Maybe its time to support the alternative solutions, that have not had much support comparatively? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:06 AM Subject: [WISPA] GAO: Broadband Access Difficult To Measure All, It would seem there are flaws in the way information was collected from the FCC. From the information collected it seems as though only the telecoms are providing broadband and apparently not too quickly in rural areas. As quoted from the article; There's not only a lack of broadband access in rural areas of the U.S., there's a lack of information about broadband access in rural areas, according to a new study by the Government Accountability Office (GAO). Also quoted from the article; Wireless technology was cited as an alternative to the costs of rolling out cable to rural areas, but difficulties in finding available spectrum and negotiating deals with municipalities hindered telecoms' entrance into providing Wi-Fi access in both urban and rural areas. Local municipalities are pursuing their own initiatives to set up wireless Internet access in regions not served by major telecom providers. Full story here; http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2006/05/gao_broadband.html Regards, Dawn DiPietro --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] ATT reselling Wildblue
We were subcontracted by a Rural Utility Cooperative to inventory, install, make sales, consult, and perform billing activities and maintenance for their Wildblue rollout. This is ongoing revenue for the installed customers. I believe we installed about 175 units last fall until the capacity of Beam 27 (midwest) reached capacity. Wildblue is putting another bird in space this fall and more sales opportunities will commence at that time. It is mandatory that you be a certified WildBlue installer to perform such duties. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT reselling Wildblue Has anyone found a way to get long term revenue from a sat. company? We're working with a sat installation company but we're going to have to give away the customers. grr Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:13 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] ATT reselling Wildblue We've installed 9 Wild Blue systems so far here in South Louisiana / Mississippi / Alabama / Texas areas and have had great success with them. WildBlue will be sending up another bird soon to increase capacity and add features. Compared to all the other satellite systems we've dealt with, WildBlue hands down wins. JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 3:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] ATT reselling Wildblue To fill in on rural gaps, ATT is selling Wildblue satellite internet service under its own brand. [http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060508/ap_on_hi_te/at_t_satellite_broadban d_1] The company already has been trying fixed wireless broadband in Alaska, Georgia and New Jersey. One of the technologies mentioned by ATT as part of the trials is WiMax, which is similar to the Wi-Fi technology that underlies Internet hot spots, but offers greater range and speed. Posted by NSP Strategist to NSP Strategist http://radinfo.blogspot.com/2006/05/att-reselling-wildblue.html at 5/08/2006 04:40:00 PM -- Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com/newsletter.htm -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ATT reselling Wildblue
Around here, I got more calls for service in the week after the Wild Blue rollout than in the 3 months before. And, now with their system overload, I am poaching their customers left and right Bring em' on!!! Rick Harnish wrote: We were subcontracted by a Rural Utility Cooperative to inventory, install, make sales, consult, and perform billing activities and maintenance for their Wildblue rollout. This is ongoing revenue for the installed customers. I believe we installed about 175 units last fall until the capacity of Beam 27 (midwest) reached capacity. Wildblue is putting another bird in space this fall and more sales opportunities will commence at that time. It is mandatory that you be a certified WildBlue installer to perform such duties. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT reselling Wildblue Has anyone found a way to get long term revenue from a sat. company? We're working with a sat installation company but we're going to have to give away the customers. grr Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "JohnnyO" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:13 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] ATT reselling Wildblue We've installed 9 Wild Blue systems so far here in South Louisiana / Mississippi / Alabama / Texas areas and have had great success with them. WildBlue will be sending up another bird soon to increase capacity and add features. Compared to all the other satellite systems we've dealt with, WildBlue hands down wins. JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 3:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] ATT reselling Wildblue To fill in on rural gaps, ATT is selling Wildblue satellite internet service under its own brand. [http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060508/ap_on_hi_te/at_t_satellite_broadban d_1] The company already has been trying fixed wireless broadband in Alaska, Georgia and New Jersey. One of the technologies mentioned by ATT as part of the trials is WiMax, which is similar to the Wi-Fi technology that underlies Internet "hot spots," but offers greater range and speed. Posted by NSP Strategist to NSP Strategist http://radinfo.blogspot.com/2006/05/att-reselling-wildblue.html at 5/08/2006 04:40:00 PM -- Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com/newsletter.htm -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] ATT reselling Wildblue
Given the opportunity, most WildBlue customers will switch to an alternative source of broadband as soon as it is available in their area. WildBlue is much better than Directway but it is STILL satellite Internet. Physics is Physics. Ping times usually average from 550-650 ms (at least early on, Im not sure right now) They dont allow gaming or VoIP. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 12:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT reselling Wildblue Around here, I got more calls for service in the week after the Wild Blue rollout than in the 3 months before. And, now with their system overload, I am poaching their customers left and right Bring em' on!!! Rick Harnish wrote: We were subcontracted by a Rural Utility Cooperative to inventory, install,make sales, consult, and perform billing activities and maintenance fortheir Wildblue rollout. This is ongoing revenue for the installedcustomers. I believe we installed about 175 units last fall until thecapacity of Beam 27 (midwest) reached capacity. Wildblue is putting another bird in space this fall and more salesopportunities will commence at that time. It is mandatory that you be a certified WildBlue installer to perform suchduties. Rick HarnishPresidentOnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc.260-827-2482 Office260-307-4000 Cell260-918-4340 VoIPwww.oibw.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:51 AMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] ATT reselling WildblueHas anyone found a way to get long term revenue from a sat. company?We're working with a sat installation company but we're going to have to give away the customers.grrMarlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam- Original Message - From: JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.orgSent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:13 PMSubject: RE: [WISPA] ATT reselling Wildblue We've installed 9 Wild Blue systems so far here in South Louisiana /Mississippi / Alabama / Texas areas and have had great success withthem. WildBlue will be sending up another bird soon to increase capacityand add features. Compared to all the other satellite systems we'vedealt with, WildBlue hands down wins.JohnnyO-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Peter R.Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 3:44 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: [WISPA] ATT reselling WildblueTo fill in on rural gaps, ATT is selling Wildblue satellite internetservice under its own brand.[http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060508/ap_on_hi_te/at_t_satellite_broadband_1]The company already has been trying fixed wireless broadband in Alaska,Georgia and New Jersey. One of the technologies mentioned by ATT aspart of the trials is WiMax, which is similar to the Wi-Fi technologythat underlies Internet hot spots, but offers greater range and speed.Posted by NSP Strategist to NSP Strategisthttp://radinfo.blogspot.com/2006/05/att-reselling-wildblue.html at5/08/2006 04:40:00 PM-- Regards,PeterRAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP StrategistWe Help ISPs Connect Communicate813.963.5884http://4isps.com/newsletter.htm-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Blair DavisAOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240West Michigan Wireless ISP269-686-8648A division of:Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WISP in 74553 OK ?
anybody have a wisp in OK? please contact curtis curdean at yahoo.com -- Robert Q Kim, Wireless Internet Advisor http://wireless-internet-coverage.blogspot.com http://evdo-coverage.com 2611 S. Pacific Coast Highway 101 Suite 203 Cardiff by the Sea, CA 92007 206 984 0880 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] WISP in 74553 OK ?
Robert - your site is still slow as molasses ! Take me up on my offer PLEASE ! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 12:06 PM To: wispa Subject: [WISPA] WISP in 74553 OK ? anybody have a wisp in OK? please contact curtis curdean at yahoo.com -- Robert Q Kim, Wireless Internet Advisor http://wireless-internet-coverage.blogspot.com http://evdo-coverage.com 2611 S. Pacific Coast Highway 101 Suite 203 Cardiff by the Sea, CA 92007 206 984 0880 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weird problem - 20 seconds latency and other oddness
Any confirmation on this? A customer router plugged in with LAN to the WAN or not getting a DHCP entry or even a DNS entry has caused many bridges to collapse and appear as if it is noise, simply because the bridges are all echoing the massive broadcast traffic. Lonnie On 5/8/06, Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect your system is bridged. Can you confirm that? Lonnie On 5/8/06, David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, Scriv and I are stumped on this one. Over the last couple of weeks, we've started seeing some very odd oddness on a few of our 2.4GHz POPs. Not all, just some. Here's what appears to be happening: A couple times a day, usually during business hours, something somewhere generates a massive amount of noise. Connections which report an RF noise of -90 start showing noise levels of -60 (or worse in some cases), as reported by our StarOS access point. If it really is RF noise, it's very broad, as it's simultaneously hitting five or six POPs, some several miles away, but all at the same time. The towers are all running StarOS on Mikrotik RouterBoard hardware, with a mix of Orinoco and Prism cards, some with amps, some not. Some have sectored antennas (180 degrees), some have omnis. Between them, the towers cover just about the entire 2.4 spectrum (obviously, one channel per access point, but we're using at least channels 1, 4, 6, 8, and 11). Those towers are basically identical to several other towers that aren't affected. The other really really weird part is the crazy latency. Pings to the APs themselves are reliable, and our backhaul links (5.3 and 5.8 GHz) don't seem to be affected. And pings to our end-customers don't seem to get lost, they just take their sweet time getting there. While the event is happening, I've seen pings that take in excess of twenty seconds to complete their round trip. 64 bytes from 10.232.175.130: icmp_seq=7 ttl=62 time=27239 ms (I think that's my record. In that particular test, there were no packets lost, they just took a very long time to get there.) I've checked or replaced just about everything I can think of in our network that might cause something like this, and frankly, I'm stumped. I don't think it's a network problem (traffic bursts or similar) because of the weird bursts of RF noise. But that'd have to be one helluva burst of noise to do what it's doing - affecting every channel across ten miles at once. I can go into more detail on any part of the network if you like, though I think all the likely-relevant details are covered here. Help! David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] West Lafayette, IN
Can anyone point me to some wholesale bandwidth in West Lafayette IN? Hit me off list if you can help. Thanks Chris Cooper Intelliwave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 1:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT reselling Wildblue - long term revenue This is just my view: The days of making money off just internet connectivity are closing fast. Even the RBOCs realize that they will need to charge more and add services and bundle. Some have added secure email**, desktop support, internet security, etc. to boost the ARPU. Plus bundles lock the customer up for 2 to 3 years. Managed services are where the rubber meets the road. Technology has gotten beyond th eaverage user's mental grasp. Remember that the average consumer couldn't set a VCR clock, but now has to figure out streaming video, iPods, mp3, mp4, digital pictures, online photo albums, etc. Beyond their understanding. In a sales class I took they explained that if someone bought an item, it is your job to vacuum up the plate with accessories to make that item more useful and valuable to the customer. Like selling a cable with a printer plus paper.^^ - Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. 813-963-5884 (**why Indie ISPs did not capture this market first I have no idea) (^^ joke at http://www.askmen.com/jokes/2001_feb/feb28.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.2/329 - Release Date: 5/2/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer
Like $6k and $12K off the top of my head... -Jon Paul Hendry wrote: Interesting. How much do these go for? Paul Hendry Skyline Networks http://www.skyline-networks.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler Sent: 09 May 2006 19:45 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Those still look pretty old-school. Have you used the handhelds from RS, the FSH 3GHz and 6GHz series or the handheld Anritsu(s). Same cost or less to rent/buy and no upconverters required... Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Sorry about that. I got the brand wrong. It's Avcom. http://www.electro-comm.com/Downloads/ecommwireless.pdf Page 31. You probably want the one with ethernet. Then you can set one up and remotely access it via laptop. (Useful for things like Scriv is fighting with right now) You'll need the frequency converters for your 5.8 gig band checks. These are really really cool units. Wish I had one of them instead of my Advantest big kid one. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: rabbtux rabbtux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Marlon, Could you post a URL? what price range is the equipment? Thanks - marshall On 5/8/06, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: EC carries a nice little unit from Anritsu (sp?). Portable, battery operated, easy to use. You'll need a converter to get the 2.4 gig version to work for 5.8 gig but that's not a big deal. Perfect for a wisp. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Jory Privett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 12:00 AM Subject: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Can someone recommend a fairly simple spectrum analyzer that will do 2.4 and 5.8. I need something that is portable and not to complicated to use. Jory Privett WCCS -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer
Same cost? You did notice that the Avcom unit is $3k? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Jon Langeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Like $6k and $12K off the top of my head... -Jon Paul Hendry wrote: Interesting. How much do these go for? Paul Hendry Skyline Networks http://www.skyline-networks.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler Sent: 09 May 2006 19:45 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Those still look pretty old-school. Have you used the handhelds from RS, the FSH 3GHz and 6GHz series or the handheld Anritsu(s). Same cost or less to rent/buy and no upconverters required... Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Sorry about that. I got the brand wrong. It's Avcom. http://www.electro-comm.com/Downloads/ecommwireless.pdf Page 31. You probably want the one with ethernet. Then you can set one up and remotely access it via laptop. (Useful for things like Scriv is fighting with right now) You'll need the frequency converters for your 5.8 gig band checks. These are really really cool units. Wish I had one of them instead of my Advantest big kid one. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: rabbtux rabbtux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Marlon, Could you post a URL? what price range is the equipment? Thanks - marshall On 5/8/06, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: EC carries a nice little unit from Anritsu (sp?). Portable, battery operated, easy to use. You'll need a converter to get the 2.4 gig version to work for 5.8 gig but that's not a big deal. Perfect for a wisp. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Jory Privett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 12:00 AM Subject: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Can someone recommend a fairly simple spectrum analyzer that will do 2.4 and 5.8. I need something that is portable and not to complicated to use. Jory Privett WCCS -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GAO: Broadband Access Difficult To Measure
Looks to me like they are more than willing to say that no one really knows what's happening out there. They just can't come right out and say that. Course, maybe I'm just reading that the way I want to read it? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] GAO: Broadband Access Difficult To Measure Tom, Thank you for finding the report and posting a link. As to the WISPA comments, not bad for an industry that does not even show up in the numbers ( see Figure 2: Household Online Connection page 12) probably because the information was flawed. Quoted from the Report Page 3 All percentage estimates from the Knowledge Networks/SRI survey have margins of error of plus or minus 7 percentage points or less, unless otherwise noted. After reading the Conclusion and the Recommendation for Executive Action pgs 37 38. I thought about how some wireless providers were hesitant to fill out the forms and give officials the information to find out where broadband was being provided and by what technologies. Come to find out the form will need to be reworked. Below is the text for Recommendation for Executive Action In a draft of this report provided to FCC for review and comment, GAO recommended that FCC identify and evaluate strategies for improving the 477 data such that the data provide a more accurate depiction of residential broadband deployment throughout the country. In oral comments regarding this recommendation, FCC staff acknowledged that the 477 data have some limitations in detailing broadband deployment, but also noted that there had recently been a proceeding examining its broadband data collection efforts and that some changes to the data collection had been implemented. In that proceeding, the commission also determined that it would be costly and could impose large burdens on filers—particularly small entities—to require any more detailed filings on broadband deployment. Although FCC staff told us that analysis of potential costs had been conducted, exact estimates of these costs and burdens have not yet been determined. Moreover, many have expressed concern about ensuring that all Americans—especially those in rural areas—have access to broadband technologies. Policymakers concerned about full deployment of broadband throughout the country will have difficulty targeting any assistance to that end without accurate and reliable data on localized deployment. As such, we recommend that FCC develop information regarding the degree of cost and burden that would be associated with various options for improving the information available on broadband deployment and should provide that information to the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation and the House Energy and Commerce Committee in order to help them determine what actions, if any, are necessary to employ going forward. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Tom DeReggi wrote: http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d06426.pdf If interested in the WISPA submitted comments on the report Appendix V, Page 62-63. Take note that this report will likely be referred to by every legislators this year, for the basic review of the state of Broadband. I find it an honor and victory, that WISPA was allowed to contribute its comments for support of Wireless in the report. I believe this report will benefit WISPs. It clearly shows, the need for support of WISPs. One must ask themself, why are so many Americans underserved? And how come the dominant technology providers that own the majority market haven't served them yet? Maybe its time to support the alternative solutions, that have not had much support comparatively? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:06 AM Subject: [WISPA] GAO: Broadband Access Difficult To Measure All, It would seem there are flaws in the way information was collected from the FCC. From the information collected it seems as though only the telecoms are providing broadband and apparently not too quickly in rural areas. As quoted from the article; There's not only a lack of broadband access in rural areas of the U.S., there's a lack of information about broadband access in rural areas, according to a new study by the Government Accountability Office (GAO). Also quoted from the article; Wireless technology was cited as an alternative to the costs of rolling out
RE: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer
I have a HP 8569A Spectrum Analyzer with Manual...for sale if you would like2500 I bought it from Built...works fine Chuck Moses HIGH DESERT WIRELESS BROADBAND COMMUNICATION 16922 Airport Blvd # 3 Mojave CA 93501 661 824 3431 office 818 406 6818 cell -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 4:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Same cost? You did notice that the Avcom unit is $3k? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Jon Langeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Like $6k and $12K off the top of my head... -Jon Paul Hendry wrote: Interesting. How much do these go for? Paul Hendry Skyline Networks http://www.skyline-networks.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler Sent: 09 May 2006 19:45 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Those still look pretty old-school. Have you used the handhelds from RS, the FSH 3GHz and 6GHz series or the handheld Anritsu(s). Same cost or less to rent/buy and no upconverters required... Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Sorry about that. I got the brand wrong. It's Avcom. http://www.electro-comm.com/Downloads/ecommwireless.pdf Page 31. You probably want the one with ethernet. Then you can set one up and remotely access it via laptop. (Useful for things like Scriv is fighting with right now) You'll need the frequency converters for your 5.8 gig band checks. These are really really cool units. Wish I had one of them instead of my Advantest big kid one. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: rabbtux rabbtux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Marlon, Could you post a URL? what price range is the equipment? Thanks - marshall On 5/8/06, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: EC carries a nice little unit from Anritsu (sp?). Portable, battery operated, easy to use. You'll need a converter to get the 2.4 gig version to work for 5.8 gig but that's not a big deal. Perfect for a wisp. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Jory Privett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 12:00 AM Subject: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Can someone recommend a fairly simple spectrum analyzer that will do 2.4 and 5.8. I need something that is portable and not to complicated to use. Jory Privett WCCS -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I need a cheap watchdog/reboot thingy
HI, We have used many of these, but they aren't sub-$100... http://www.digital-loggers.com/EPC.html Travis Microserv J. Vogel wrote: I seem to recall that someone posted a link to a sub-$100 ping watchdog/reboot unit on one of these lists recently, but I cannot locate the message I am thinking I saw. I need a simple device to power-cycle an access point radio or two when pings to the network default gateway fail. Can anybody point me to such a thing? Thanks! John Vogel -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] gas prices
Hi All, Just got our $700 gas bill for last month. That's just MY driving. No employees. And I don't even drive an suv! I'm thinking of a $20 per install fuel surcharge. Kinda like what the concrete company did to me last year at this time. What are people that have large spread out networks doing? If we slow down on the installs it'll not be a big deal. But if it kicks into overdrive again in a month or so (pretty normal for us) this summer is gonna be ugly. thoughts? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] gas prices
We just raised our install prices from $150 to $250 for each install. People who pay for six months in advance get a free month and $50 off of the install. Gas prices are part of it, but it was a combination of higher leasing rates (due to increasing interest rates), increase in the price of Tranzeo radios ($5 to $10 across the board) and increased shipping costs. With the changes in prices, now I'm back to an immediate ROI, rather than a 2 month ROI and carrying a lease payment for each new radio. We've been doing 50-70 installs a month for the last six months so it won't hurt to slack off a little bit during the summer so that we can build up a cash reserve. Crazy thing is that the schedule is still filling up even with the increased install charges. I think its going to be another crazy summer. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, Just got our $700 gas bill for last month. That's just MY driving. No employees. And I don't even drive an suv! I'm thinking of a $20 per install fuel surcharge. Kinda like what the concrete company did to me last year at this time. What are people that have large spread out networks doing? If we slow down on the installs it'll not be a big deal. But if it kicks into overdrive again in a month or so (pretty normal for us) this summer is gonna be ugly. thoughts? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weird problem - 20 seconds latency and other oddness
I agree it could be noise but a bridge runaway will give you the 10+ second pings and with that much traffic being echoed ALL of your AP and Clients are spewing. It would look like a massive RF flood on the Spectrum Analyzer. Think about what the air wave look like when you have full radio usage. To nearby units and competitors it would be a massive increase in the noise floor. Lonnie On 5/9/06, David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: Any confirmation on this? A customer router plugged in with LAN to the WAN or not getting a DHCP entry or even a DNS entry has caused many bridges to collapse and appear as if it is noise, simply because the bridges are all echoing the massive broadcast traffic. There's no DHCP anywhere on the network, and the DHCP UDP ports are filtered out at every POP, so that specifically is a bad example. :) Sorry for not getting back to this, we've had massive weirdness on our dialup gear too (mostly related to moving it). Yes, our network is part bridged/part routed. I'm pretty sure it's a real RF problem, because we pulled out the Bumblebee and my field guy said he saw crazy mad noise all across the 2.4 spectrum a couple days ago, when we were having this weird hiccup. (And another local WISP operator reportedly has had similar issues, though I didn't talk to him personally; that's the boss' department.) We'll probably just have to use some old-school triangulation and such to find out where it is, if it's something we even can find. For instance, today was a cool and cloudy day, and this problem didn't show up all day. Thus, I blame sunspots. :D (Honestly, I'm stumped, but at least we're now reasonably certain it's a real RF issue.) If/when we sort it out, I'll report back. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weird problem - 20 seconds latency and other oddness
Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: I agree it could be noise but a bridge runaway will give you the 10+ second pings and with that much traffic being echoed ALL of your AP and Clients are spewing. It would look like a massive RF flood on the Spectrum Analyzer. Think about what the air wave look like when you have full radio usage. To nearby units and competitors it would be a massive increase in the noise floor. That's certainly possible, but then how do I track down which specific piece of hardware is responsible? As much as you'd enjoy the extra StarOS software sales, I'm not sure it's feasible to wholesale-replace twenty APs. :) If it were, say, a specific radio running amok, I expect that the problem would temporarily disappear for a few seconds while the AP in question is being rebooted. This hasn't (so far) proven to be the case. Example: If the problem were in AP3, then I'd expect the noise problem in AP4 (almost ten miles away, running ten channels away) to disappear for at least a few seconds while AP3 reboots. I've tested this with virtually every combination of APs, rebooting all the affected ones (and even a few others) in turn, and watching customers on other APs for a change, and haven't seen one. If it were some kind of network flood, why does it only affect certain tower locations, all of which are at least in vague geographical proximity? (And not other towers twenty miles away?) http://www.thedave.us/pics/mvn/wispamap.jpg is a real quick map of the affected areas. The big green dots are towers that are doing alright, the big red dots are towers where weird stuff is happening. (The green dot that's right in the center of the three red dots is a 900MHz tower that I probably shouldn't have put on the map, as the Waverider stuff there has been humming right along all the while.) The next-nearest couple of towers (the green dots near Dix at the far north, and Woodlawn to the east) have occasionally exhibited the same behaviour, but not nearly as often as the three I marked in red. Just about the only explanation that makes much sense to me is, basically, someone on the north edge of town, or a bit further north, is intermittently spamming RF. Maybe it's something on my network, or someone else's. As always, I'm open to suggestions, ideally ones that come with meaningful ways to test. If/when we find the source, I'll try to follow up with everyone, just to put the whole thing to rest. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I need a cheap watchdog/reboot thingy
Here's the version I think you are looking for John: http://tinyurl.com/z7ovs I purchased one of these a while back but haven't had the time to play with it yet. It's like $200 off right now while they still have stock so you better go grab one if this is what you are looking for. Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky Your Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $39.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas === - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need a cheap watchdog/reboot thingy HI, We have used many of these, but they aren't sub-$100... http://www.digital-loggers.com/EPC.html Travis Microserv J. Vogel wrote: I seem to recall that someone posted a link to a sub-$100 ping watchdog/reboot unit on one of these lists recently, but I cannot locate the message I am thinking I saw. I need a simple device to power-cycle an access point radio or two when pings to the network default gateway fail. Can anybody point me to such a thing? Thanks! John Vogel -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer
My apologies. I just looked at the rental cost which was more than we pay for the RS units... -Jon Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Same cost? You did notice that the Avcom unit is $3k? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Jon Langeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Like $6k and $12K off the top of my head... -Jon Paul Hendry wrote: Interesting. How much do these go for? Paul Hendry Skyline Networks http://www.skyline-networks.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler Sent: 09 May 2006 19:45 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Those still look pretty old-school. Have you used the handhelds from RS, the FSH 3GHz and 6GHz series or the handheld Anritsu(s). Same cost or less to rent/buy and no upconverters required... Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Sorry about that. I got the brand wrong. It's Avcom. http://www.electro-comm.com/Downloads/ecommwireless.pdf Page 31. You probably want the one with ethernet. Then you can set one up and remotely access it via laptop. (Useful for things like Scriv is fighting with right now) You'll need the frequency converters for your 5.8 gig band checks. These are really really cool units. Wish I had one of them instead of my Advantest big kid one. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: rabbtux rabbtux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Marlon, Could you post a URL? what price range is the equipment? Thanks - marshall On 5/8/06, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: EC carries a nice little unit from Anritsu (sp?). Portable, battery operated, easy to use. You'll need a converter to get the 2.4 gig version to work for 5.8 gig but that's not a big deal. Perfect for a wisp. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Jory Privett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 12:00 AM Subject: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Can someone recommend a fairly simple spectrum analyzer that will do 2.4 and 5.8. I need something that is portable and not to complicated to use. Jory Privett WCCS -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] gas prices
Marlon, Are you really driving THAT much? I have 5 full-time installers (each in their own vehicle) and our network covers 200 miles N-S and 150 E-W and our gas bill was only $2,200 this last month. We did 104 installs. :) Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, Just got our $700 gas bill for last month. That's just MY driving. No employees. And I don't even drive an suv! I'm thinking of a $20 per install fuel surcharge. Kinda like what the concrete company did to me last year at this time. What are people that have large spread out networks doing? If we slow down on the installs it'll not be a big deal. But if it kicks into overdrive again in a month or so (pretty normal for us) this summer is gonna be ugly. thoughts? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] USF explained
Sue Crawford explains USF: http://scrawford.blogware.com/blog/_archives/2006/5/2/1928428.html -- Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com/newsletter.htm -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I need a cheap watchdog/reboot thingy
Thanks for the link, but this isn't what I was thinking of. Maybe I was dreaming, but I sure thought I saw a picture of a small device, one ethernet port only, and either a single or duplex outlet or maybe it switched DC voltage... that would fit in a 8X12X4 box with lots of room to spare. It seems to me that somebody posted a link to such a thing a couple of weeks or months ago. John Vogel Travis Johnson wrote: HI, We have used many of these, but they aren't sub-$100... http://www.digital-loggers.com/EPC.html Travis Microserv J. Vogel wrote: I seem to recall that someone posted a link to a sub-$100 ping watchdog/reboot unit on one of these lists recently, but I cannot locate the message I am thinking I saw. I need a simple device to power-cycle an access point radio or two when pings to the network default gateway fail. Can anybody point me to such a thing? Thanks! John Vogel -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I need a cheap watchdog/reboot thingy
Thanks for your help, but I believe that is overkill for what I want. This might have been what I saw... It looks like what I want anyway. http://www.hw-group.com/products/ip_watchdog/index_lite_en.html Now if I could just figure out how to buy some of them John Vogel KyWiFi LLC wrote: Here's the version I think you are looking for John: http://tinyurl.com/z7ovs I purchased one of these a while back but haven't had the time to play with it yet. It's like $200 off right now while they still have stock so you better go grab one if this is what you are looking for. Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky Your Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $39.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas === - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need a cheap watchdog/reboot thingy HI, We have used many of these, but they aren't sub-$100... http://www.digital-loggers.com/EPC.html Travis Microserv J. Vogel wrote: I seem to recall that someone posted a link to a sub-$100 ping watchdog/reboot unit on one of these lists recently, but I cannot locate the message I am thinking I saw. I need a simple device to power-cycle an access point radio or two when pings to the network default gateway fail. Can anybody point me to such a thing? Thanks! John Vogel -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
