[WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain
I looking for input on what vertical 900 omni to use. I have heard statements from Marlon like I'd never use a 2.4 omni over such and such gain., because of the beamwidth and such. Anyway what are the opinions of the use of the 900 omni? http://www.pacwireless.com/products/omni_900mhz.shtml Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain
Brian, If you can do a spectrum scan with an Omni before you decide to deploy one it would be a good idea. You to make sure there is not so much noise that you won't get any advantage of the 900 Band because the noise floor is to high and has to be overcome by the CPE units. An Omni is going to pick up noise from all directions, if you were able to sectorize you may be able to lower the noise floor seen because you aren't looking in all directions. Omni sites make sense from a economic standpoint because you can serve in all directions but if it also creates problems due to noise you gain nothing. You can use a Canopy 900 radio for a spectrum scan. It's not a full blown spectrum analyzer but it will tell you if 900 MHz noise is going to be an issue. Even in rural areas lottery terminals, SCADA, cordless phones, baby monitors and paging transmitters all add to the mix. Horizontal polarization might help also. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: Brian Rohrbacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 8:20 AM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain I looking for input on what vertical 900 omni to use. I have heard statements from Marlon like I'd never use a 2.4 omni over such and such gain., because of the beamwidth and such. Anyway what are the opinions of the use of the 900 omni? http://www.pacwireless.com/products/omni_900mhz.shtml Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain
Hello Brian, No more then 8db in my playbook anymore. And horz. if at all possible. Sectors on 900 is the best way to go too. I got an Antel 11db with downtilt that I would sell if you really want a vertical omni. Heavy duty antenna. Barry Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 8:20:28 AM, you wrote: BR I looking for input on what vertical 900 omni to use. I have heard BR statements from Marlon like I'd never use a 2.4 omni over such and such BR gain., because of the beamwidth and such. Anyway what are the BR opinions of the use of the 900 omni? BR http://www.pacwireless.com/products/omni_900mhz.shtml BR Brian -- Best regards, Barrymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain
Barry at Mutual Data wrote: Hello Brian, No more then 8db in my playbook anymore. And horz. if at all possible. Sectors on 900 is the best way to go too. If only they gave away the Canopy APs. I got an Antel 11db with downtilt that I would sell if you really want a vertical omni. Heavy duty antenna. Barry Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 8:20:28 AM, you wrote: BR I looking for input on what vertical 900 omni to use. I have heard BR statements from Marlon like I'd never use a 2.4 omni over such and such BR gain., because of the beamwidth and such. Anyway what are the BR opinions of the use of the 900 omni? BR http://www.pacwireless.com/products/omni_900mhz.shtml BR Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] US Internet seeks 17 city Wi-Fi deals
http://twincities.bizjournals.com/twincities/stories/2006/11/06/story3.html?t=printable US Internet seeks 17 city Wi-Fi deals After landing the contract to build a citywide wireless network for Minneapolis, US Internet is setting its sights on cities nationwide. The Minnetonka-based company, which beat out EarthLink and dozens of other providers for the Minneapolis job, is angling to enter the municipal wireless market in 17 cities. That's a tall order for a company that's still a relative unknown even in its home market, but US Internet has got some things going for it. Through a partnership with Charys Holding Co. Inc., US Internet has already landed a deal in Atlanta and is working on a pilot project in Boston. Charys, based in Atlanta, is doing most of the legwork on submitting proposals to other cities, while US Internet focuses on Minneapolis, said Joe Caldwell, a company co-founder and its vice president of marketing. They're the elephant, and we're just kind of holding onto their tail, he said. High-school friends Travis Carter and Kurt Lange started US Internet in their apartment in 1995, and have steadily built the business over the past decade. The Internet service provider now works in more than 2,000 markets and does other work, such as data backup, for several large companies. US Internet is just entering the municipal wireless market, which is still young -- and risky -- but rapidly growing. Hundreds of cities are seeking to develop networks that give residents and businesses low-cost access to wireless Internet, but US Internet originally had doubts about joining the movement. We were not very sold on it in the beginning, said Lange, the company's vice president of operations. Municipal Wi-Fi initiatives have faced legal and other challenges from critics who say cities shouldn't be in the business of providing Internet service, a debate Minneapolis partially sidestepped by its public-private partnership approach. The city's deal with US Internet calls for the company to build and run the Wi-Fi network in exchange for the city becoming an anchor tenant. US Internet and Atlanta-based EarthLink were the two finalists in the bid to win the Minneapolis contract. US Internet is likely to come up against large firms in the future, but observers say there's still room for smaller companies to carve a niche in the market. That field is not narrowing yet, said Jim Farstad, CEO of Minneapolis-based rClient who served as a consultant to the city of Minneapolis on its Wi-Fi project. There's some consolidation in the industry, but not a tremendous amount. US Internet was one of more than 90 firms to attend a preliminary conference held for companies looking to respond to Minneapolis' request for proposals, and one of six to ultimately submit a proposal. Despite some strong competition, the company's co-founders said they never viewed themselves as an underdog. This is our house, said Caldwell. We do a lot of complicated, sophisticated business. We have a Ph.D. in Internet. Even as a small company, US Internet may be able to become a bigger player in the market, said Esme Vos, an intellectual property attorney who founded MuniWireless.com, a Web site devoted to the movement. Vos said the company is one of a handful of regional service providers pursuing municipal wireless contracts, and it's not the only smaller company to team up with other firms as a strategy to get them. Mountain View, Calif.-based MetroFi Inc., for instance, has partnered with ATT, and Azulstar Inc., based in Rio Rancho, N.M., has paired with Cisco Systems and IBM. Landing a deal with a large U.S. city such as Minneapolis also is a big boost to US Internet, she said. It helps that the company's contract with the city is a public-private partnership, a model being investigated by more cities, she added. It's a really interesting way for them to market themselves, said Vos. They can say, 'we have a market, and the city is an anchor tenant; we'd like to do the same for you.' -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain
Go H-Pol. Save yourself lots of grief later Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I looking for input on what vertical 900 omni to use. I have heard statements from Marlon like I'd never use a 2.4 omni over such and such gain., because of the beamwidth and such. Anyway what are the opinions of the use of the 900 omni? http://www.pacwireless.com/products/omni_900mhz.shtml Brian -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 1st Solar project
Just setup my first solar power system. Having a problem though. we have three solar panels delivering 75 watts. We have two deep cycle batteries each with 1000 cranking amps. All this powers two tranzeos - tr5a-24f and a 6000. We cannot seem to maintain power on this setup. Located in Ontario Canada. -- You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca Office Phone: 905 349-2084 Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm skype cajeptha -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] on call staff
We run Friday at 5:30 to Friday at 5:30. We pay $75 per week, plus over time if they have to go out on a call. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 12:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] on call staff How do the rest of you compensate tech staff for on call duties? We have an on call tech that monitors network remotely throughout weekend and is responsible for rolling to tower/major customer in case of outage. Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 1st Solar project
Carl, I'll be glad to help, but I need more information. What controller do you have?What amp/hour capacity batteries do you have? The CCA (cranking amps) is not at all relative to the amp/hour capacity. The marine batteries are around 100 to 115 amp/hour at most. It sounds like nowhere near enough panels or batteries. Mark +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: Carl A Jeptha [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wisp part-15 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:03 AM Subject: [WISPA] 1st Solar project Just setup my first solar power system. Having a problem though. we have three solar panels delivering 75 watts. We have two deep cycle batteries each with 1000 cranking amps. All this powers two tranzeos - tr5a-24f and a 6000. We cannot seem to maintain power on this setup. Located in Ontario Canada. -- You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca Office Phone: 905 349-2084 Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm skype cajeptha -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 1st Solar project
Just a FYI for everyone here, we have a very basic solar setup. 1 x 80 watt panel 4 x 750 amp car batteries in parrell 1 x charging controller 1 x 532 2 x SR2s 1 x 24db grid 1 x 15db omni We hooked a POE directly to the 12volt output of the solar controller, and show .1 to .3 amps draw, its been cloudy for the past 4 days, rain, heavy clouds, no loss of service so far! Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.2kwireless.com 2K Wireless provides high-speed internet access, along with network consulting for WISPs, and business's with a focus on TCP/IP networking, security, and Mikrotik routers. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carl A Jeptha Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 1:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wisp part-15; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 1st Solar project Just setup my first solar power system. Having a problem though. we have three solar panels delivering 75 watts. We have two deep cycle batteries each with 1000 cranking amps. All this powers two tranzeos - tr5a-24f and a 6000. We cannot seem to maintain power on this setup. Located in Ontario Canada. -- You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca Office Phone: 905 349-2084 Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm skype cajeptha -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 1st Solar project
here are links to the equipment used. 2 x http://www.canadiantire.ca/browse/product_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=1408474396672503PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524443291400bmUID=1162934699310assortment=primaryfromSearch=true 1 x http://www.canadiantire.ca/browse/product_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=1408474396672995PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524443275943bmUID=1162934699437assortment=primaryfromSearch=true 1 x http://www.canadiantire.ca/browse/product_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=1408474396672503PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524443276257bmUID=1162934699609assortment=primaryfromSearch=true 2 x http://www.exide.com/products/marine_rv/nautilus_starting.html I'm sorry but I cannot find the amp hours for these batteries. You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca Office Phone: 905 349-2084 Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm skype cajeptha Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Carl, I'll be glad to help, but I need more information. What controller do you have?What amp/hour capacity batteries do you have? The CCA (cranking amps) is not at all relative to the amp/hour capacity. The marine batteries are around 100 to 115 amp/hour at most. It sounds like nowhere near enough panels or batteries. Mark +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: Carl A Jeptha [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wisp part-15 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:03 AM Subject: [WISPA] 1st Solar project Just setup my first solar power system. Having a problem though. we have three solar panels delivering 75 watts. We have two deep cycle batteries each with 1000 cranking amps. All this powers two tranzeos - tr5a-24f and a 6000. We cannot seem to maintain power on this setup. Located in Ontario Canada. -- You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca Office Phone: 905 349-2084 Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm skype cajeptha -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OT: The AlvarionCOMNET is coming 11/13...
And WISPA members at the meeting at ISPCON will get a detailed sneak preview. I look forward to seeing many of you there. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain
Due to the eirp limits at 900 (36dB total) your antenna choice really should take into account the radio gain first. Having said that, a lot of people put in the high gain 900 omni antennas and don't seem to have much trouble with them. I agree with the sector idea though. The 900 that I'm using now is trango. They have almost got the full eirp built right in to the radio/antenna system as it comes from the factory. The down side is that it takes 6 ap's to cover 360*. That can get spendy. Especially if you pay rent per antenna. As a rule, we are sectorizing more and more sites these days. Even the ones out in the sticks. There are too many other users out there showing up all of the time. latetrs, marlon - Original Message - From: Barry at Mutual Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Hello Brian, No more then 8db in my playbook anymore. And horz. if at all possible. Sectors on 900 is the best way to go too. I got an Antel 11db with downtilt that I would sell if you really want a vertical omni. Heavy duty antenna. Barry Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 8:20:28 AM, you wrote: BR I looking for input on what vertical 900 omni to use. I have heard BR statements from Marlon like I'd never use a 2.4 omni over such and such BR gain., because of the beamwidth and such. Anyway what are the BR opinions of the use of the 900 omni? BR http://www.pacwireless.com/products/omni_900mhz.shtml BR Brian -- Best regards, Barrymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain
We have a legacy 900 omni at 750' AGL. It really reaches out and touches remote customers, but it is visible to every other cell in the region and affects channel planning. Stick to sectors, they might be more expensive up front but long term you will have more options. c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 7:40 PM To: Barry at Mutual Data; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Due to the eirp limits at 900 (36dB total) your antenna choice really should take into account the radio gain first. Having said that, a lot of people put in the high gain 900 omni antennas and don't seem to have much trouble with them. I agree with the sector idea though. The 900 that I'm using now is trango. They have almost got the full eirp built right in to the radio/antenna system as it comes from the factory. The down side is that it takes 6 ap's to cover 360*. That can get spendy. Especially if you pay rent per antenna. As a rule, we are sectorizing more and more sites these days. Even the ones out in the sticks. There are too many other users out there showing up all of the time. latetrs, marlon - Original Message - From: Barry at Mutual Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Hello Brian, No more then 8db in my playbook anymore. And horz. if at all possible. Sectors on 900 is the best way to go too. I got an Antel 11db with downtilt that I would sell if you really want a vertical omni. Heavy duty antenna. Barry Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 8:20:28 AM, you wrote: BR I looking for input on what vertical 900 omni to use. I have heard BR statements from Marlon like I'd never use a 2.4 omni over such and such BR gain., because of the beamwidth and such. Anyway what are the BR opinions of the use of the 900 omni? BR http://www.pacwireless.com/products/omni_900mhz.shtml BR Brian -- Best regards, Barrymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.27/517 - Release Date: 11/3/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] test - disregard
Had a problem with my domain today...mail routing affected. I'm getting mail from other sources now but not the list... This is just a test. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain
Problem is I might only get 10-15 subs at these sites in the next year. Lets say I can buy 10 APs. I'd rather have 10 sites with omni's than 5 sites with 180* sectors. At 15 subs a site I'd have 150 subs on 10 omni's at $35 a month. That is $5250 a month. If I sectorize 5 sites with 15 subs that is 75 subs and only $2625 added to the monthly income. Back to reality. I can't afford 10 APs.but still, I don't see sectors as being such a great thing. What is the point of doubling the cost of a pop for no gain of subscribers? Back to my question. If a guy wanted to use omni's for 900. What is a good choice? Brian Chris Cooper wrote: We have a legacy 900 omni at 750' AGL. It really reaches out and touches remote customers, but it is visible to every other cell in the region and affects channel planning. Stick to sectors, they might be more expensive up front but long term you will have more options. c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 7:40 PM To: Barry at Mutual Data; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Due to the eirp limits at 900 (36dB total) your antenna choice really should take into account the radio gain first. Having said that, a lot of people put in the high gain 900 omni antennas and don't seem to have much trouble with them. I agree with the sector idea though. The 900 that I'm using now is trango. They have almost got the full eirp built right in to the radio/antenna system as it comes from the factory. The down side is that it takes 6 ap's to cover 360*. That can get spendy. Especially if you pay rent per antenna. As a rule, we are sectorizing more and more sites these days. Even the ones out in the sticks. There are too many other users out there showing up all of the time. latetrs, marlon - Original Message - From: Barry at Mutual Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Hello Brian, No more then 8db in my playbook anymore. And horz. if at all possible. Sectors on 900 is the best way to go too. I got an Antel 11db with downtilt that I would sell if you really want a vertical omni. Heavy duty antenna. Barry Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 8:20:28 AM, you wrote: BR I looking for input on what vertical 900 omni to use. I have heard BR statements from Marlon like I'd never use a 2.4 omni over such and such BR gain., because of the beamwidth and such. Anyway what are the BR opinions of the use of the 900 omni? BR http://www.pacwireless.com/products/omni_900mhz.shtml BR Brian -- Best regards, Barrymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.27/517 - Release Date: 11/3/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain
Sectors are also great for helping with interference. I guess if your spectrum is clean and you think it will stay that way then an omni would be fine. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Problem is I might only get 10-15 subs at these sites in the next year. Lets say I can buy 10 APs. I'd rather have 10 sites with omni's than 5 sites with 180* sectors. At 15 subs a site I'd have 150 subs on 10 omni's at $35 a month. That is $5250 a month. If I sectorize 5 sites with 15 subs that is 75 subs and only $2625 added to the monthly income. Back to reality. I can't afford 10 APs.but still, I don't see sectors as being such a great thing. What is the point of doubling the cost of a pop for no gain of subscribers? Back to my question. If a guy wanted to use omni's for 900. What is a good choice? Brian Chris Cooper wrote: We have a legacy 900 omni at 750' AGL. It really reaches out and touches remote customers, but it is visible to every other cell in the region and affects channel planning. Stick to sectors, they might be more expensive up front but long term you will have more options. c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 7:40 PM To: Barry at Mutual Data; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Due to the eirp limits at 900 (36dB total) your antenna choice really should take into account the radio gain first. Having said that, a lot of people put in the high gain 900 omni antennas and don't seem to have much trouble with them. I agree with the sector idea though. The 900 that I'm using now is trango. They have almost got the full eirp built right in to the radio/antenna system as it comes from the factory. The down side is that it takes 6 ap's to cover 360*. That can get spendy. Especially if you pay rent per antenna. As a rule, we are sectorizing more and more sites these days. Even the ones out in the sticks. There are too many other users out there showing up all of the time. latetrs, marlon - Original Message - From: Barry at Mutual Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Hello Brian, No more then 8db in my playbook anymore. And horz. if at all possible. Sectors on 900 is the best way to go too. I got an Antel 11db with downtilt that I would sell if you really want a vertical omni. Heavy duty antenna. Barry Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 8:20:28 AM, you wrote: BR I looking for input on what vertical 900 omni to use. I have heard BR statements from Marlon like I'd never use a 2.4 omni over such and such BR gain., because of the beamwidth and such. Anyway what are the BR opinions of the use of the 900 omni? BR http://www.pacwireless.com/products/omni_900mhz.shtml BR Brian -- Best regards, Barrymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.27/517 - Release Date: 11/3/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WISP locator
Every once in a while I get a request for service from someone out (sometimes WAY out) of my coverage area. Could everyone post any WISP coverage locater sites they know of. Then I can just cut and paste a stack of these links into these requests and the person can just start digging. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain
Joe Laura wrote: Sectors are also great for helping with interference. I guess if your spectrum is clean yes and you think it will stay that way Well I don't know but the pac omni is at a price where it would not be the end of the world if at some point in the future it was replaced with sectors. *Part No:* OD9-8 *Item Description:* 8dBi 900MHz Omnidirectional Antenna, N Female Connector *Price:* $110.95 then an omni would be fine. Should be fine until I have the subscribers at the pop to justify something better. I'm only trying to get my foot in the door. I don't think it's possible to do the absolute best right from day one. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Problem is I might only get 10-15 subs at these sites in the next year. Lets say I can buy 10 APs. I'd rather have 10 sites with omni's than 5 sites with 180* sectors. At 15 subs a site I'd have 150 subs on 10 omni's at $35 a month. That is $5250 a month. If I sectorize 5 sites with 15 subs that is 75 subs and only $2625 added to the monthly income. Back to reality. I can't afford 10 APs.but still, I don't see sectors as being such a great thing. What is the point of doubling the cost of a pop for no gain of subscribers? Back to my question. If a guy wanted to use omni's for 900. What is a good choice? Brian Chris Cooper wrote: We have a legacy 900 omni at 750' AGL. It really reaches out and touches remote customers, but it is visible to every other cell in the region and affects channel planning. Stick to sectors, they might be more expensive up front but long term you will have more options. c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 7:40 PM To: Barry at Mutual Data; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Due to the eirp limits at 900 (36dB total) your antenna choice really should take into account the radio gain first. Having said that, a lot of people put in the high gain 900 omni antennas and don't seem to have much trouble with them. I agree with the sector idea though. The 900 that I'm using now is trango. They have almost got the full eirp built right in to the radio/antenna system as it comes from the factory. The down side is that it takes 6 ap's to cover 360*. That can get spendy. Especially if you pay rent per antenna. As a rule, we are sectorizing more and more sites these days. Even the ones out in the sticks. There are too many other users out there showing up all of the time. latetrs, marlon - Original Message - From: Barry at Mutual Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Hello Brian, No more then 8db in my playbook anymore. And horz. if at all possible. Sectors on 900 is the best way to go too. I got an Antel 11db with downtilt that I would sell if you really want a vertical omni. Heavy duty antenna. Barry Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 8:20:28 AM, you wrote: BR I looking for input on what vertical 900 omni to use. I have heard BR statements from Marlon like I'd never use a 2.4 omni over such and such BR gain., because of the beamwidth and such. Anyway what are the BR opinions of the use of the 900 omni? BR http://www.pacwireless.com/products/omni_900mhz.shtml BR Brian -- Best regards, Barrymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.27/517 - Release Date: 11/3/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain
The Pacific Wireless horizontal omni is a good choice however, they are about $900 each. We start our small sites with omni's and then sectorize them with two 180 degree horizontal sectors as the subs increase. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Problem is I might only get 10-15 subs at these sites in the next year. Lets say I can buy 10 APs. I'd rather have 10 sites with omni's than 5 sites with 180* sectors. At 15 subs a site I'd have 150 subs on 10 omni's at $35 a month. That is $5250 a month. If I sectorize 5 sites with 15 subs that is 75 subs and only $2625 added to the monthly income. Back to reality. I can't afford 10 APs.but still, I don't see sectors as being such a great thing. What is the point of doubling the cost of a pop for no gain of subscribers? Back to my question. If a guy wanted to use omni's for 900. What is a good choice? Brian Chris Cooper wrote: We have a legacy 900 omni at 750' AGL. It really reaches out and touches remote customers, but it is visible to every other cell in the region and affects channel planning. Stick to sectors, they might be more expensive up front but long term you will have more options. c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 7:40 PM To: Barry at Mutual Data; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Due to the eirp limits at 900 (36dB total) your antenna choice really should take into account the radio gain first. Having said that, a lot of people put in the high gain 900 omni antennas and don't seem to have much trouble with them. I agree with the sector idea though. The 900 that I'm using now is trango. They have almost got the full eirp built right in to the radio/antenna system as it comes from the factory. The down side is that it takes 6 ap's to cover 360*. That can get spendy. Especially if you pay rent per antenna. As a rule, we are sectorizing more and more sites these days. Even the ones out in the sticks. There are too many other users out there showing up all of the time. latetrs, marlon - Original Message - From: Barry at Mutual Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Hello Brian, No more then 8db in my playbook anymore. And horz. if at all possible. Sectors on 900 is the best way to go too. I got an Antel 11db with downtilt that I would sell if you really want a vertical omni. Heavy duty antenna. Barry Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 8:20:28 AM, you wrote: BR I looking for input on what vertical 900 omni to use. I have heard BR statements from Marlon like I'd never use a 2.4 omni over such and such BR gain., because of the beamwidth and such. Anyway what are the BR opinions of the use of the 900 omni? BR http://www.pacwireless.com/products/omni_900mhz.shtml BR Brian -- Best regards, Barrymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.27/517 - Release Date: 11/3/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain
Performance wise, the best omnis we've found on the market are the BIG H-Pol Omnis from MTI Wireless Edge 11 dBi -- but at 10'+ tall and 2.5' wide @ $1k+, they can be a tough pill to swallow -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Sectors are also great for helping with interference. I guess if your spectrum is clean and you think it will stay that way then an omni would be fine. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Problem is I might only get 10-15 subs at these sites in the next year. Lets say I can buy 10 APs. I'd rather have 10 sites with omni's than 5 sites with 180* sectors. At 15 subs a site I'd have 150 subs on 10 omni's at $35 a month. That is $5250 a month. If I sectorize 5 sites with 15 subs that is 75 subs and only $2625 added to the monthly income. Back to reality. I can't afford 10 APs.but still, I don't see sectors as being such a great thing. What is the point of doubling the cost of a pop for no gain of subscribers? Back to my question. If a guy wanted to use omni's for 900. What is a good choice? Brian Chris Cooper wrote: We have a legacy 900 omni at 750' AGL. It really reaches out and touches remote customers, but it is visible to every other cell in the region and affects channel planning. Stick to sectors, they might be more expensive up front but long term you will have more options. c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 7:40 PM To: Barry at Mutual Data; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Due to the eirp limits at 900 (36dB total) your antenna choice really should take into account the radio gain first. Having said that, a lot of people put in the high gain 900 omni antennas and don't seem to have much trouble with them. I agree with the sector idea though. The 900 that I'm using now is trango. They have almost got the full eirp built right in to the radio/antenna system as it comes from the factory. The down side is that it takes 6 ap's to cover 360*. That can get spendy. Especially if you pay rent per antenna. As a rule, we are sectorizing more and more sites these days. Even the ones out in the sticks. There are too many other users out there showing up all of the time. latetrs, marlon - Original Message - From: Barry at Mutual Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Hello Brian, No more then 8db in my playbook anymore. And horz. if at all possible. Sectors on 900 is the best way to go too. I got an Antel 11db with downtilt that I would sell if you really want a vertical omni. Heavy duty antenna. Barry Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 8:20:28 AM, you wrote: BR I looking for input on what vertical 900 omni to use. I have BR heard statements from Marlon like I'd never use a 2.4 omni over BR such and such BR gain., because of the beamwidth and such. Anyway what are BR the opinions of the use of the 900 omni? BR http://www.pacwireless.com/products/omni_900mhz.shtml BR Brian -- Best regards, Barrymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.27/517 - Release Date: 11/3/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain
The Pacific Wireless horizontal omni is a good choice however, they are about $900 each. Yes and no MTI Omnis don't cost that much more and have 2 extra dB of gain -- and remember, in 900 MHz, each extra dB of gain equates to approximately 1' worth of additional antenna at the subscriber =) -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Problem is I might only get 10-15 subs at these sites in the next year. Lets say I can buy 10 APs. I'd rather have 10 sites with omni's than 5 sites with 180* sectors. At 15 subs a site I'd have 150 subs on 10 omni's at $35 a month. That is $5250 a month. If I sectorize 5 sites with 15 subs that is 75 subs and only $2625 added to the monthly income. Back to reality. I can't afford 10 APs.but still, I don't see sectors as being such a great thing. What is the point of doubling the cost of a pop for no gain of subscribers? Back to my question. If a guy wanted to use omni's for 900. What is a good choice? Brian Chris Cooper wrote: We have a legacy 900 omni at 750' AGL. It really reaches out and touches remote customers, but it is visible to every other cell in the region and affects channel planning. Stick to sectors, they might be more expensive up front but long term you will have more options. c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 7:40 PM To: Barry at Mutual Data; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Due to the eirp limits at 900 (36dB total) your antenna choice really should take into account the radio gain first. Having said that, a lot of people put in the high gain 900 omni antennas and don't seem to have much trouble with them. I agree with the sector idea though. The 900 that I'm using now is trango. They have almost got the full eirp built right in to the radio/antenna system as it comes from the factory. The down side is that it takes 6 ap's to cover 360*. That can get spendy. Especially if you pay rent per antenna. As a rule, we are sectorizing more and more sites these days. Even the ones out in the sticks. There are too many other users out there showing up all of the time. latetrs, marlon - Original Message - From: Barry at Mutual Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Hello Brian, No more then 8db in my playbook anymore. And horz. if at all possible. Sectors on 900 is the best way to go too. I got an Antel 11db with downtilt that I would sell if you really want a vertical omni. Heavy duty antenna. Barry Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 8:20:28 AM, you wrote: BR I looking for input on what vertical 900 omni to use. I have BR heard statements from Marlon like I'd never use a 2.4 omni over BR such and such BR gain., because of the beamwidth and such. Anyway what are BR the opinions of the use of the 900 omni? BR http://www.pacwireless.com/products/omni_900mhz.shtml BR Brian -- Best regards, Barrymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.27/517 - Release Date: 11/3/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain
I hear this talk about the 900MHz noise. It's not too bad here. Moving forward, what are the new sources of 900MHz noise if my area is ok now? I hear a lot about pagers. Pagers!? What are those? LOL Are there new paging sites going online? I'm just looking for what will cause me trouble in the future. Brian Joe Laura wrote: Sectors are also great for helping with interference. I guess if your spectrum is clean and you think it will stay that way then an omni would be fine. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Problem is I might only get 10-15 subs at these sites in the next year. Lets say I can buy 10 APs. I'd rather have 10 sites with omni's than 5 sites with 180* sectors. At 15 subs a site I'd have 150 subs on 10 omni's at $35 a month. That is $5250 a month. If I sectorize 5 sites with 15 subs that is 75 subs and only $2625 added to the monthly income. Back to reality. I can't afford 10 APs.but still, I don't see sectors as being such a great thing. What is the point of doubling the cost of a pop for no gain of subscribers? Back to my question. If a guy wanted to use omni's for 900. What is a good choice? Brian Chris Cooper wrote: We have a legacy 900 omni at 750' AGL. It really reaches out and touches remote customers, but it is visible to every other cell in the region and affects channel planning. Stick to sectors, they might be more expensive up front but long term you will have more options. c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 7:40 PM To: Barry at Mutual Data; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Due to the eirp limits at 900 (36dB total) your antenna choice really should take into account the radio gain first. Having said that, a lot of people put in the high gain 900 omni antennas and don't seem to have much trouble with them. I agree with the sector idea though. The 900 that I'm using now is trango. They have almost got the full eirp built right in to the radio/antenna system as it comes from the factory. The down side is that it takes 6 ap's to cover 360*. That can get spendy. Especially if you pay rent per antenna. As a rule, we are sectorizing more and more sites these days. Even the ones out in the sticks. There are too many other users out there showing up all of the time. latetrs, marlon - Original Message - From: Barry at Mutual Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Hello Brian, No more then 8db in my playbook anymore. And horz. if at all possible. Sectors on 900 is the best way to go too. I got an Antel 11db with downtilt that I would sell if you really want a vertical omni. Heavy duty antenna. Barry Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 8:20:28 AM, you wrote: BR I looking for input on what vertical 900 omni to use. I have heard BR statements from Marlon like I'd never use a 2.4 omni over such and such BR gain., because of the beamwidth and such. Anyway what are the BR opinions of the use of the 900 omni? BR http://www.pacwireless.com/products/omni_900mhz.shtml BR Brian -- Best regards, Barrymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.27/517 - Release Date: 11/3/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain
Let me add a little about what I have to work with. There are 4036 people in the township which is my main coverage area (I fork out a little, but the number are inline with these). 2,288 have access to DSL and Cable. This leaves 1748 people to go after. How many of those want broadband? I just did a quick google and the only number I saw said 30% of rural Americans have broadband. So I'll go with that for my number of who wants it. 30% is about 500 people. I guess this means my township that is 36 square miles has almost 15 subscribers per square mile that are ripe for the picking. And then add the fact that there are 2 total WISPs in this area. Cut the subs in half. I have 7 subs per square mile to go hook up. Wait, it seems like 50% of my site surveys fail due to the darn trees, at least I can still get those 3.5 subs per square mile. :) Now that I have given a little more info, do you guys still recommend sectors? Brian Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Problem is I might only get 10-15 subs at these sites in the next year. Lets say I can buy 10 APs. I'd rather have 10 sites with omni's than 5 sites with 180* sectors. At 15 subs a site I'd have 150 subs on 10 omni's at $35 a month. That is $5250 a month. If I sectorize 5 sites with 15 subs that is 75 subs and only $2625 added to the monthly income. Back to reality. I can't afford 10 APs.but still, I don't see sectors as being such a great thing. What is the point of doubling the cost of a pop for no gain of subscribers? Back to my question. If a guy wanted to use omni's for 900. What is a good choice? Brian Chris Cooper wrote: We have a legacy 900 omni at 750' AGL. It really reaches out and touches remote customers, but it is visible to every other cell in the region and affects channel planning. Stick to sectors, they might be more expensive up front but long term you will have more options. c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 7:40 PM To: Barry at Mutual Data; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Due to the eirp limits at 900 (36dB total) your antenna choice really should take into account the radio gain first. Having said that, a lot of people put in the high gain 900 omni antennas and don't seem to have much trouble with them. I agree with the sector idea though. The 900 that I'm using now is trango. They have almost got the full eirp built right in to the radio/antenna system as it comes from the factory. The down side is that it takes 6 ap's to cover 360*. That can get spendy. Especially if you pay rent per antenna. As a rule, we are sectorizing more and more sites these days. Even the ones out in the sticks. There are too many other users out there showing up all of the time. latetrs, marlon - Original Message - From: Barry at Mutual Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Omni and gain Hello Brian, No more then 8db in my playbook anymore. And horz. if at all possible. Sectors on 900 is the best way to go too. I got an Antel 11db with downtilt that I would sell if you really want a vertical omni. Heavy duty antenna. Barry Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 8:20:28 AM, you wrote: BR I looking for input on what vertical 900 omni to use. I have heard BR statements from Marlon like I'd never use a 2.4 omni over such and such BR gain., because of the beamwidth and such. Anyway what are the BR opinions of the use of the 900 omni? BR http://www.pacwireless.com/products/omni_900mhz.shtml BR Brian -- Best regards, Barrymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.27/517 - Release Date: 11/3/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
