[WISPA] The WISP that walked away
An operator in my local area, covering a small area I would nevertheless like to have, recently just upped and walked away from his operation, leaving all cpe in place and some very confused customers who were told to go get cable or dsl. He was very short with me in email and indicated that the equipment was leased and that he had had enough with trying to scratch out something more than an avarage living and is glad to be rid of it and out of the business, and no further communication will be possible, end of story. Ethics question: Do I swoop in with my own backhaul and reactivate the system using the existing cpe units (mostly motorola, right up our alley), or do we build a new system from scratch and avoid these now defunct cpe's like the plauge? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The WISP that walked away
Hire an attorney, get copies of what customers signed from an existing customer of his. Give it to the attorney along with the brief letter you got from the guy saying he was calling it quits. I see no need to let the CPE go to waste if you can make it work provided there is no legal / civil reason to avoid it. Worst case I see is you use the existing CPE for a while and then replace it if someone comes calling to claim it later. This is strictly my opinion though. Seek legal counsel no matter what you do. Best $100 you'll spend. Scriv Mike Ireton wrote: An operator in my local area, covering a small area I would nevertheless like to have, recently just upped and walked away from his operation, leaving all cpe in place and some very confused customers who were told to go get cable or dsl. He was very short with me in email and indicated that the equipment was leased and that he had had enough with trying to scratch out something more than an avarage living and is glad to be rid of it and out of the business, and no further communication will be possible, end of story. Ethics question: Do I swoop in with my own backhaul and reactivate the system using the existing cpe units (mostly motorola, right up our alley), or do we build a new system from scratch and avoid these now defunct cpe's like the plauge? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] New WISPA Principle Member
Congrats! Keep um' coming... Let the flow of lurkers and leaches see the light and help fund this wonderful organization and assist in our causes. - Cliff LeBoeuf - 985-879-3219 - www.cssla.com - www.triparish.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of John Scrivner Sent: Thu 1/11/2007 10:12 PM To: wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] New WISPA Principle Member We are seeing more momentum toward new paid membership in WISPA and I really appreciate that. The latest WISP operator to join is Greg Coffey of Alluretech / Coffeynet. I am sure I speak for all of us in saying welcome to Greg and thank you for your support to our industry. Here are a few words from Greg about himself and Coffeynet: I'm Greg Coffey, owner of Alluretech/Coffeynet based out of Casper, WY. I got into the wireless back in the 90's deploying Breezecom frequency hopping radios. I sold the business and later bought out another local WISP almost three years ago. We cover most of Natrona County at this point and deploy 2.4 and 5.x equipment using mostly Star-OS AP's and Tranzeo CPE. I'm really impressed with their slim line series, both 2.4 and 5.8. We're in the middle of the worst blizzard we've had in years and nothing has gone down yet, knock on wood! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ winmail.dat-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] New WISPA Principle Member
Cliff - you're inspirational words bring tears to my eyes as always ! JohnnyO :) -Original Message- From: Cliff Leboeuf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cliff Leboeuf Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 6:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] New WISPA Principle Member Congrats! Keep um' coming... Let the flow of lurkers and leaches see the light and help fund this wonderful organization and assist in our causes. - Cliff LeBoeuf - 985-879-3219 - www.cssla.com - www.triparish.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of John Scrivner Sent: Thu 1/11/2007 10:12 PM To: wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] New WISPA Principle Member We are seeing more momentum toward new paid membership in WISPA and I really appreciate that. The latest WISP operator to join is Greg Coffey of Alluretech / Coffeynet. I am sure I speak for all of us in saying welcome to Greg and thank you for your support to our industry. Here are a few words from Greg about himself and Coffeynet: I'm Greg Coffey, owner of Alluretech/Coffeynet based out of Casper, WY. I got into the wireless back in the 90's deploying Breezecom frequency hopping radios. I sold the business and later bought out another local WISP almost three years ago. We cover most of Natrona County at this point and deploy 2.4 and 5.x equipment using mostly Star-OS AP's and Tranzeo CPE. I'm really impressed with their slim line series, both 2.4 and 5.8. We're in the middle of the worst blizzard we've had in years and nothing has gone down yet, knock on wood! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WISP needed in Cleavland Texas
Garner, Justin 393 Cr 2146Cleavland77327 281-593-3360 Feel free to call him if you can provide service to his location. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Linux distro for the desktop
One more that I like. Cost some $$ for the box about $49.00 I believe. Xandros! That is Debian based. Bo [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 1/12/07, N White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Butch Evans wrote: I am a FreeBSD guy. Heart and soul. However, I am in the process of evaluating which Linux distro I want to put on my laptop. I would just go with FreeBSD, but I want to try this Linux thing...FreeBSD makes the BEST server platform (no flames, please), but their desktop OS is not the best. Ubuntu is good, but I couldn't get it to work with my Broadcom (ugh) laptop minipci card straight after install. I tried a few, and the only one that worked was Linspire. It's pretty desktop friendly. Debian-based. I recommend either Ubuntu or Linspire. -- --- | Nick White | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Wholesale -Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly
My thought would be to see if there are any members that will consider wholesale pricing and installation. These guys are so big that we need to have some reasonable numbers and coverage footprint to make it worth their time to even look at the idea. One of the big problems will be identifying a customer pre-qualification system that their 800 number operators can use at any time. At one time I built a demo that did this for a proposed wholesale project with them. The idea worked, the deal fell through (of which I was not involved, I just built the pre-qual tool). They will basically need a GIS compatible file that accurately represents your network service area. This they will use while on the initial phone call to set up an installation. This would also mean they will need to see your installation schedule on line. They will not even consider the idea of let me check and I'll get back to you, they want to know at that moment. While I know this can not be a guarantee of every installation, they need something with a reasonable level of assurance they can pre-qualify an address without having to make phone calls. The technology exists and it can be done at a reasonable cost, the question remains will enough WISP members go for the idea and commit to a standard method that you can bring to the big guys? A unified approach and voice would be the key to success, not a bunch of independents with all different methods to accomplish an installation. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 11:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly I think it would be a good idea to at least see if they'd have any interest. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 7:28 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly If WISPA is serious about this someone hit me off list and I'll investigate the internal EL contacts to start any negotiations. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly Now for the next phase that should happen. EL should come to WISPA and work a deal with wisps nationwide. WE provide access to them on OUR networks. Then EL stops loosing dialup customers in Ephrata and Moses Lake. But no need to spend the 2 million :-) Hmmm, maybe I'm still ahead of the game after all? grin marlon - Original Message - From: Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 4:04 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly Yep- you are correct, sir- I have it from a very reliable source. * EL locates on City (or whatever utility it is) poles. * They pledge that they will allow other ISPs to wheel their service over the network (many spare SSIDs are available) * They foot the bill for the install (I'd say 2 million for a small city- just estimating) * They use gear that meshes and has intelligence so that it can optimize and work around interference and congestion. * They co-produce with the city an event for the unveiling or wire cutting and invite residents and businesses to sign up and give it a free try. * Dialup customers (hopefully) migrate to the new broadband network. Some mobile users will use the network for whatever it is that mobile users do. * Police, Fire, Building Inspections, etc use the free accounts (if any were negotiated) and maybe additional accounts are purchased. * POSSIBLY Google or someone else rides the network subsidizing a free tier of service (300 kb/s in San Francisco) * And (if the recent posting about Vonage is correct)- EL allows other carriers to provide service via EL's infrastructure for a set fee. These carriers could be AOL, DirecTV internet, Odessa Office, OneRing or even Joes Best Little Internet Provider In Texas. It looks like it could be a win-win situation and a resource for EL, the City, the residents and local businesses, AND the ISPs who choose to use access to it as a means to enter the market in that town. Imagine Marlon being able to branch out into San Francisco, New Orleans, Philadelphia, Anaheim and any other markets available just by inking a deal with EL.
Re: [WISPA] ot---Fw: Please note Schafer, Marlon that this is your Final Notice of Domain Extension
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Anhone seen a deal like this before? This looks almost exactly like an email copy of the junk faxes I get about twice a week. They're always for domains we don't own but they're similar to them, and the rates are just shy of insane. Probably safe to ignore it. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Just Testing...
The reply I sent at 10:36am EST has not made it to the list yet so I'm testing the list to see if there is a problem with it. Please disregard this e-mail. Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky Your Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service $19.99 All Digital Satellite TV - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas - We Are Beta Testing ISP Buddy. . . http://www.ispbuddy.com - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] The WISP that walked away
Just remember that he said he leased the CPE, so it is not his...or yours to claim. The lease holder would seem to have rights to claim it. I can't imagine the leaseholder actually doing that though, so maybe you can work a deal with the leasholder. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KyWiFi LLC Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The WISP that walked away Do what Scriv says, it is the *safest* thing to do at this phase. How many subs will signup and pay you in this small area? I am sure they wouldn't mind a bit to pre-pay 2 - 3 months plus installation provided that you have been in business for a while and have a good repuation in your area. This upfront cash flow would then *hopefully* take care of the entire investment on your part to service this small area. Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky Your Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service $19.99 All Digital Satellite TV - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas - We Are Beta Testing ISP Buddy. . . http://www.ispbuddy.com - - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] The WISP that walked away Hire an attorney, get copies of what customers signed from an existing customer of his. Give it to the attorney along with the brief letter you got from the guy saying he was calling it quits. I see no need to let the CPE go to waste if you can make it work provided there is no legal / civil reason to avoid it. Worst case I see is you use the existing CPE for a while and then replace it if someone comes calling to claim it later. This is strictly my opinion though. Seek legal counsel no matter what you do. Best $100 you'll spend. Scriv Mike Ireton wrote: An operator in my local area, covering a small area I would nevertheless like to have, recently just upped and walked away from his operation, leaving all cpe in place and some very confused customers who were told to go get cable or dsl. He was very short with me in email and indicated that the equipment was leased and that he had had enough with trying to scratch out something more than an avarage living and is glad to be rid of it and out of the business, and no further communication will be possible, end of story. Ethics question: Do I swoop in with my own backhaul and reactivate the system using the existing cpe units (mostly motorola, right up our alley), or do we build a new system from scratch and avoid these now defunct cpe's like the plauge? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] New WISPA Principle Member
Thanks for joining Greg. I regret losing you as a customer, though I entirely understand why people left us over the past few years. Hopefully what I'm doing with the AlvarionCOMNET program will win back many good folks like you, and maybe a few new ones too! Anyway, thank for joining WISPA and supporting the laudable goals. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:13 PM To: wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] New WISPA Principle Member We are seeing more momentum toward new paid membership in WISPA and I really appreciate that. The latest WISP operator to join is Greg Coffey of Alluretech / Coffeynet. I am sure I speak for all of us in saying welcome to Greg and thank you for your support to our industry. Here are a few words from Greg about himself and Coffeynet: I'm Greg Coffey, owner of Alluretech/Coffeynet based out of Casper, WY. I got into the wireless back in the 90's deploying Breezecom frequency hopping radios. I sold the business and later bought out another local WISP almost three years ago. We cover most of Natrona County at this point and deploy 2.4 and 5.x equipment using mostly Star-OS AP's and Tranzeo CPE. I'm really impressed with their slim line series, both 2.4 and 5.8. We're in the middle of the worst blizzard we've had in years and nothing has gone down yet, knock on wood! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Just Testing...
Something is wrong with the WISPA list, it is not delivering my replies. It delivered the one below and may deliver this one but I replied to an earlier post regarding EL at 10:36am EST today and it has still not delivered it to the list as of right now. I re-sent the reply again at 12:25pm EST and it has not been delivered to the list either. Who's in charge of the WISPA list? Can someone look into this to see what's going on with it? Thank you. Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky Your Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service $19.99 All Digital Satellite TV - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas === - Original Message - From: KyWiFi LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:57 AM Subject: [WISPA] Just Testing... The reply I sent at 10:36am EST has not made it to the list yet so I'm testing the list to see if there is a problem with it. Please disregard this e-mail. Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky Your Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service $19.99 All Digital Satellite TV - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas - We Are Beta Testing ISP Buddy. . . http://www.ispbuddy.com - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Linux distro for the desktop
Butch, Not to start a debate on whats best, but for informative reasons... Why do people that prefer FreeBSD prefer FreeBSD? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Wispa List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Linux distro for the desktop I am a FreeBSD guy. Heart and soul. However, I am in the process of evaluating which Linux distro I want to put on my laptop. I would just go with FreeBSD, but I want to try this Linux thing...FreeBSD makes the BEST server platform (no flames, please), but their desktop OS is not the best. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The WISP that walked away
No, you tempoarailly use those CPEs, to quickly get the subs re-installed. The CPEs are owned by the leasing company, and assuming them is theft. Do your best to find out who the leasor is, and call them to negotiate buying them on a percentage of the dollar, or take over remaining lease balance. The last thing you want is the Lease company to issue a court order to get cclient locations disclosed, pay some one to pull out the CPEs, and have your tenants disconnected without notice. Sorta like the Repo man. Its a falicy that its not worth the leasing companies time to collect the gear. But its costlyto colelct the gear, and they'd rather negotiate favorable terms with you. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] The WISP that walked away Hire an attorney, get copies of what customers signed from an existing customer of his. Give it to the attorney along with the brief letter you got from the guy saying he was calling it quits. I see no need to let the CPE go to waste if you can make it work provided there is no legal / civil reason to avoid it. Worst case I see is you use the existing CPE for a while and then replace it if someone comes calling to claim it later. This is strictly my opinion though. Seek legal counsel no matter what you do. Best $100 you'll spend. Scriv Mike Ireton wrote: An operator in my local area, covering a small area I would nevertheless like to have, recently just upped and walked away from his operation, leaving all cpe in place and some very confused customers who were told to go get cable or dsl. He was very short with me in email and indicated that the equipment was leased and that he had had enough with trying to scratch out something more than an avarage living and is glad to be rid of it and out of the business, and no further communication will be possible, end of story. Ethics question: Do I swoop in with my own backhaul and reactivate the system using the existing cpe units (mostly motorola, right up our alley), or do we build a new system from scratch and avoid these now defunct cpe's like the plauge? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Linux distro for the desktop
I think I can answer why I like freebsd. Stability. Uptime for months at a time. Most of the problems that I have had with my Freebsd servers have been when I was doing something stupid that I now know better. Also, it may be used completely free of charge, even if it is used commercially. The licensing of linux flavor of the month is not quite so clear. It is used by MANY large commercial web farms, universities, and other entities. It has widespread use enough that if you find a problem with it, the solution is probably online somewhere. In other words, its a more mature operating system than most Linux flavors. Just my $0.02. Not trying to create a flame war. Pete Davis NoDial.net Tom DeReggi wrote: Butch, Not to start a debate on whats best, but for informative reasons... Why do people that prefer FreeBSD prefer FreeBSD? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Wispa List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Linux distro for the desktop I am a FreeBSD guy. Heart and soul. However, I am in the process of evaluating which Linux distro I want to put on my laptop. I would just go with FreeBSD, but I want to try this Linux thing...FreeBSD makes the BEST server platform (no flames, please), but their desktop OS is not the best. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] ignore -testing mail server
-- You have a good day now,en mag jou more's ook so wees. Carl A Jeptha http://www.jeptha.com 905-349-2027 skype cajeptha -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] The WISP that walked away
If you can find out what is needed to allow access from the existing CPE's, I believe that you can allow access to YOUR bandwidth, and charges those who want to use your service, regardless of who may own the CPE. Now, if you want to own the CPE, you need to find out who owns the CPE. If there are leased -- are they leased buy the ISP that 'walked' away, or the individual customer. If by the customer, they just continue to make their lease payments to the leasing company, and you for allowing their CPE access to your service. If the previous ISP, perhaps the leasing company will work a sweet deal with you as it is NOT in their interest to retrieve the CPEs... Cliff LeBoeuf www.cssla.com www.triparish.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Ireton Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:58 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] The WISP that walked away An operator in my local area, covering a small area I would nevertheless like to have, recently just upped and walked away from his operation, leaving all cpe in place and some very confused customers who were told to go get cable or dsl. He was very short with me in email and indicated that the equipment was leased and that he had had enough with trying to scratch out something more than an avarage living and is glad to be rid of it and out of the business, and no further communication will be possible, end of story. Ethics question: Do I swoop in with my own backhaul and reactivate the system using the existing cpe units (mostly motorola, right up our alley), or do we build a new system from scratch and avoid these now defunct cpe's like the plauge? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Linux distro for the desktop
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007, Tom DeReggi wrote: Why do people that prefer FreeBSD prefer FreeBSD? I prefer FreeBSD (rather BSD in general) MOSTLY because that's what I know best. FreeBSD, also, is (generally) not built to be a desktop OS, but a server platform. I know there are Linux distros that are built specifically to be servers, but I'm not as familiar with them. Perhaps the most important reason for me, though, is that Linux is getting more and more popular, and as that grows, the hackers will begin to target those systems similar to the way MS is now targeted. This trend is already starting, so I will take any advantage (real or perceived) that I can get. There are some other more technical answers, but I don't want to get into those details. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Linux distro for the desktop
Come on you gotta give better reasons than this ;) Good non-flavor of the month distros. Don't lump the whole base into the same box. Yea there are as many linux distros as there are linux geeks ;) Take my favorite distro, debian: On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 19:17 -0600, Pete Davis wrote: I think I can answer why I like freebsd. Stability. Uptime for months at a time. Most of the problems that I have had with my Freebsd servers have been when I was doing something stupid that I now know better. Ditto Also, it may be used completely free of charge, even if it is used commercially. The licensing of linux flavor of the month is not quite so clear. ditto It is used by MANY large commercial web farms, universities, and other entities. ditto It has widespread use enough that if you find a problem with it, the solution is probably online somewhere. ditto In other words, its a more mature operating system than most Linux flavors. thats just flame bait ;) Just my $0.02. Not trying to create a flame war. ditto Honestly though there are some great reason to use *BSD: 1 Awesome TCP/IP stack, although linux's has gotten better. 2 Ports, up to date software, with very simple commands 3 great firewall(s) ipfw, ipf, and pf (iptables syntax is, bloated at best compared to ipf and pf, I can't speak for ipfw) 4 Simple kernel in BSD, I _do not_ like the fact that 2.6 is still a developing kernel ... thats what 2.7 is supposed to be for. 5 Solid, Stable design. No major changes within the core system. Linux's popularity is also it detriment, not only due to crackers but due to its own internal developers, code splits, weak code, poor audits due to the shear number of people working on it. At its core though it is still secure. The reason I use debian linux, is because of it package management and focus on being stable, secure, and free. I understand how to use it and can work it very well. I will be looking at using OpenBSD or FreeBSD as my firewall system for my new server room. PF + Carp, rocks! Ryan -- Ryan Langseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Re: [WISPA] Linux distro for the desktop
You are exactly right. There are good linux distros out there. I have used several of them. Some are great desktop OS's. Some are good for the small footprint. Some are great for making bootable CD's to run antivirus/data recovery apps, and some are great for making roll-your-own routers and firewalls. Some are good for playing games, and some are good for emulating Windows apps. Some are easy to install, and some are not. Some are easy to install with a GUI, and some are not. Some are well documented, and some are not. Some will run on a 386 with 1M RAM, and some won't run on anything less than a PIII with 256M. There are as many distros out there as there are opinions as to who has the best distro. You can order a new server from any Tier1 PC manufacturer with Linux installed. It has become mainstream. For a stable, conservative, always-up server, I like to run the latest stable release of Freebsd. I like their version nomenclature, and the documentation. There are many ports for many server apps ready to run on FreeBSD. The syntax for the command lines are familiar to me. Its the same reason that I run Windows on my daily desktop. Its what I am used to. Pete Davis NoDial.net. Ryan Langseth wrote: Come on you gotta give better reasons than this ;) Good non-flavor of the month distros. Don't lump the whole base into the same box. Yea there are as many linux distros as there are linux geeks ;) Take my favorite distro, debian: On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 19:17 -0600, Pete Davis wrote: I think I can answer why I like freebsd. Stability. Uptime for months at a time. Most of the problems that I have had with my Freebsd servers have been when I was doing something stupid that I now know better. Ditto Also, it may be used completely free of charge, even if it is used commercially. The licensing of linux flavor of the month is not quite so clear. ditto It is used by MANY large commercial web farms, universities, and other entities. ditto It has widespread use enough that if you find a problem with it, the solution is probably online somewhere. ditto In other words, its a more mature operating system than most Linux flavors. thats just flame bait ;) Just my $0.02. Not trying to create a flame war. ditto Honestly though there are some great reason to use *BSD: 1 Awesome TCP/IP stack, although linux's has gotten better. 2 Ports, up to date software, with very simple commands 3 great firewall(s) ipfw, ipf, and pf (iptables syntax is, bloated at best compared to ipf and pf, I can't speak for ipfw) 4 Simple kernel in BSD, I _do not_ like the fact that 2.6 is still a developing kernel ... thats what 2.7 is supposed to be for. 5 Solid, Stable design. No major changes within the core system. Linux's popularity is also it detriment, not only due to crackers but due to its own internal developers, code splits, weak code, poor audits due to the shear number of people working on it. At its core though it is still secure. The reason I use debian linux, is because of it package management and focus on being stable, secure, and free. I understand how to use it and can work it very well. I will be looking at using OpenBSD or FreeBSD as my firewall system for my new server room. PF + Carp, rocks! Ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
