RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions
I have an 80' Rohn 25G tower on top of a 110' concrete grain elevator. This elevators power is giving me fits as they are flipping breakers on and off as they are in full swing with all the corn coming in right now out of the fields. I do have everything on UPS's, but need to move up the ranks for longer run times to 4 larger marine batteries to accomplish longer run times when the breakers are flipped off. Here is my question: Do they make a device that has multiple DC power output voltages (12/18/24/48) that connects directly to a set of batteries with the ability to connect multiple devices and if so - how do you keep your batteries charged? I would like to run my gear directly off the DC power instead of plugging everything into 120vdc and then have the wall warts convert to the DC power. I currently have 10 radios on top of the elevator and it is a major distribution point for the North and East legs of our network. Any and all suggestions are welcomed!! Thanks folks, Mac WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions
What gear do you need to power on ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 10:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions I have an 80' Rohn 25G tower on top of a 110' concrete grain elevator. This elevators power is giving me fits as they are flipping breakers on and off as they are in full swing with all the corn coming in right now out of the fields. I do have everything on UPS's, but need to move up the ranks for longer run times to 4 larger marine batteries to accomplish longer run times when the breakers are flipped off. Here is my question: Do they make a device that has multiple DC power output voltages (12/18/24/48) that connects directly to a set of batteries with the ability to connect multiple devices and if so - how do you keep your batteries charged? I would like to run my gear directly off the DC power instead of plugging everything into 120vdc and then have the wall warts convert to the DC power. I currently have 10 radios on top of the elevator and it is a major distribution point for the North and East legs of our network. Any and all suggestions are welcomed!! Thanks folks, Mac WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions
Most of the gear is(24 to 48vdc) MikroTik, but there are some Tranzeo TR5A (18vdc)backhaul radios as well as Trango Tlink 10's (24vdc)and even one Proxim Radio (48vdc) in place there. Thanks, Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 7:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions What gear do you need to power on ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 10:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions I have an 80' Rohn 25G tower on top of a 110' concrete grain elevator. This elevators power is giving me fits as they are flipping breakers on and off as they are in full swing with all the corn coming in right now out of the fields. I do have everything on UPS's, but need to move up the ranks for longer run times to 4 larger marine batteries to accomplish longer run times when the breakers are flipped off. Here is my question: Do they make a device that has multiple DC power output voltages (12/18/24/48) that connects directly to a set of batteries with the ability to connect multiple devices and if so - how do you keep your batteries charged? I would like to run my gear directly off the DC power instead of plugging everything into 120vdc and then have the wall warts convert to the DC power. I currently have 10 radios on top of the elevator and it is a major distribution point for the North and East legs of our network. Any and all suggestions are welcomed!! Thanks folks, Mac --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.17/951 - Release Date: 8/13/2007 10:15 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DC power suggestions
Wow, you learn something every day. What I've learned today is that down south harvests corn significantly earlier than we do in the corn belt. ;-) What I've wanted to do, but have been so far unable to do is to have a power source (be it a 120 vAC charger, solar cells, wind turbine, etc.) charge an array of batteries (the guys at Mr. Solar said that I should use 48 vDC for the DC systems), and then have a bunch of power supplies that use 48 vDC as the source.I have a PC based MT for my AP and an Orthogon Gemini on my primary tower. I can source 48 vDC power supplies for both. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions I have an 80' Rohn 25G tower on top of a 110' concrete grain elevator. This elevators power is giving me fits as they are flipping breakers on and off as they are in full swing with all the corn coming in right now out of the fields. I do have everything on UPS's, but need to move up the ranks for longer run times to 4 larger marine batteries to accomplish longer run times when the breakers are flipped off. Here is my question: Do they make a device that has multiple DC power output voltages (12/18/24/48) that connects directly to a set of batteries with the ability to connect multiple devices and if so - how do you keep your batteries charged? I would like to run my gear directly off the DC power instead of plugging everything into 120vdc and then have the wall warts convert to the DC power. I currently have 10 radios on top of the elevator and it is a major distribution point for the North and East legs of our network. Any and all suggestions are welcomed!! Thanks folks, Mac WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DC power suggestions
I haven't tried them yet, but a neighbor that does lots of SCADA work likes the MeanWell AD-15xx series power supplies, battery chargers. Mac Dearman wrote: Most of the gear is(24 to 48vdc) MikroTik, but there are some Tranzeo TR5A (18vdc)backhaul radios as well as Trango Tlink 10's (24vdc)and even one Proxim Radio (48vdc) in place there. Thanks, Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 7:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions What gear do you need to power on ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 10:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions I have an 80' Rohn 25G tower on top of a 110' concrete grain elevator. This elevators power is giving me fits as they are flipping breakers on and off as they are in full swing with all the corn coming in right now out of the fields. I do have everything on UPS's, but need to move up the ranks for longer run times to 4 larger marine batteries to accomplish longer run times when the breakers are flipped off. Here is my question: Do they make a device that has multiple DC power output voltages (12/18/24/48) that connects directly to a set of batteries with the ability to connect multiple devices and if so - how do you keep your batteries charged? I would like to run my gear directly off the DC power instead of plugging everything into 120vdc and then have the wall warts convert to the DC power. I currently have 10 radios on top of the elevator and it is a major distribution point for the North and East legs of our network. Any and all suggestions are welcomed!! Thanks folks, Mac --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.17/951 - Release Date: 8/13/2007 10:15 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions
Go to www.raleybros.com (about 10 miles from my home) when the home page comes up just keep refreshing your browser to change the pics displayed. All of the elevators are already running over, the temporary ground storage bins are full and now all the elevators around here are just dumping it on the ground in huge piles. All the river port facilities are backed up for miles with grain trucks trying to haul it out of here and the railroad facilities can't get enough grain cars in to haul it all out of here. Corn flakes ought to be .20 cents a box! Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 8:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DC power suggestions Wow, you learn something every day. What I've learned today is that down south harvests corn significantly earlier than we do in the corn belt. ;-) What I've wanted to do, but have been so far unable to do is to have a power source (be it a 120 vAC charger, solar cells, wind turbine, etc.) charge an array of batteries (the guys at Mr. Solar said that I should use 48 vDC for the DC systems), and then have a bunch of power supplies that use 48 vDC as the source.I have a PC based MT for my AP and an Orthogon Gemini on my primary tower. I can source 48 vDC power supplies for both. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions I have an 80' Rohn 25G tower on top of a 110' concrete grain elevator. This elevators power is giving me fits as they are flipping breakers on and off as they are in full swing with all the corn coming in right now out of the fields. I do have everything on UPS's, but need to move up the ranks for longer run times to 4 larger marine batteries to accomplish longer run times when the breakers are flipped off. Here is my question: Do they make a device that has multiple DC power output voltages (12/18/24/48) that connects directly to a set of batteries with the ability to connect multiple devices and if so - how do you keep your batteries charged? I would like to run my gear directly off the DC power instead of plugging everything into 120vdc and then have the wall warts convert to the DC power. I currently have 10 radios on top of the elevator and it is a major distribution point for the North and East legs of our network. Any and all suggestions are welcomed!! Thanks folks, Mac - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/953 - Release Date: 8/14/2007 5:19 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Working with other WISPs
Build it first. Call them the day before you turn it on. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 7:25 AM Subject: [WISPA] Working with other WISPs I am planning expanding to a new tower. According to all of my competitor's web sites, no one really covers this location. I haven't dealt with most of them in the past. What is the best approach to frequency coordination or what is there to protect me if I approach them to work out a band plan, only to have them build there themselves? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DC power suggestions
From the National Corn Growers Association: About 8 percent of the weight in a box of corn flakes is corn. Less than 5 percent of the purchase price reflects the corn price. The remainder of the cost is in packaging and advertising. From the Ohio Corn Growers: Corn growers in Ohio rallied recently to get the word out on the true cost impact of rising corn prices. In this media report, there were a number of startling facts concerning the true impact on food costs. Only 3 cents of corn goes into a box of cereal, But the cost of a box of corn flakes is so high because of marketing and transportation costs. Same with a bag of corn chips. Corn prices are up about 33 percent from where they were a year ago, but the impact of that price rise is a much smaller part of food cost increases than is being reported Plain and simple, corn prices are not the sole reason, or even the major reason for higher prices in the grocery aisle today, Corn is part of a portion of food products, ... And it is only a small part of those foods where it is included. A large portion of food price increases come from foods that don't contain corn including fish, fruits and vegetables. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:08 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions Go to www.raleybros.com (about 10 miles from my home) when the home page comes up just keep refreshing your browser to change the pics displayed. All of the elevators are already running over, the temporary ground storage bins are full and now all the elevators around here are just dumping it on the ground in huge piles. All the river port facilities are backed up for miles with grain trucks trying to haul it out of here and the railroad facilities can't get enough grain cars in to haul it all out of here. Corn flakes ought to be .20 cents a box! Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 8:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DC power suggestions Wow, you learn something every day. What I've learned today is that down south harvests corn significantly earlier than we do in the corn belt. ;-) What I've wanted to do, but have been so far unable to do is to have a power source (be it a 120 vAC charger, solar cells, wind turbine, etc.) charge an array of batteries (the guys at Mr. Solar said that I should use 48 vDC for the DC systems), and then have a bunch of power supplies that use 48 vDC as the source.I have a PC based MT for my AP and an Orthogon Gemini on my primary tower. I can source 48 vDC power supplies for both. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions I have an 80' Rohn 25G tower on top of a 110' concrete grain elevator. This elevators power is giving me fits as they are flipping breakers on and off as they are in full swing with all the corn coming in right now out of the fields. I do have everything on UPS's, but need to move up the ranks for longer run times to 4 larger marine batteries to accomplish longer run times when the breakers are flipped off. Here is my question: Do they make a device that has multiple DC power output voltages (12/18/24/48) that connects directly to a set of batteries with the ability to connect multiple devices and if so - how do you keep your batteries charged? I would like to run my gear directly off the DC power instead of plugging everything into 120vdc and then have the wall warts convert to the DC power. I currently have 10 radios on top of the elevator and it is a major distribution point for the North and East legs of our network. Any and all suggestions are welcomed!! Thanks folks, Mac - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free
Re: [WISPA] DC power suggestions
Here in Illinois, we won't be harvesting our corn for another 2 months. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:08 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions Go to www.raleybros.com (about 10 miles from my home) when the home page comes up just keep refreshing your browser to change the pics displayed. All of the elevators are already running over, the temporary ground storage bins are full and now all the elevators around here are just dumping it on the ground in huge piles. All the river port facilities are backed up for miles with grain trucks trying to haul it out of here and the railroad facilities can't get enough grain cars in to haul it all out of here. Corn flakes ought to be .20 cents a box! Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 8:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DC power suggestions Wow, you learn something every day. What I've learned today is that down south harvests corn significantly earlier than we do in the corn belt. ;-) What I've wanted to do, but have been so far unable to do is to have a power source (be it a 120 vAC charger, solar cells, wind turbine, etc.) charge an array of batteries (the guys at Mr. Solar said that I should use 48 vDC for the DC systems), and then have a bunch of power supplies that use 48 vDC as the source.I have a PC based MT for my AP and an Orthogon Gemini on my primary tower. I can source 48 vDC power supplies for both. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions I have an 80' Rohn 25G tower on top of a 110' concrete grain elevator. This elevators power is giving me fits as they are flipping breakers on and off as they are in full swing with all the corn coming in right now out of the fields. I do have everything on UPS's, but need to move up the ranks for longer run times to 4 larger marine batteries to accomplish longer run times when the breakers are flipped off. Here is my question: Do they make a device that has multiple DC power output voltages (12/18/24/48) that connects directly to a set of batteries with the ability to connect multiple devices and if so - how do you keep your batteries charged? I would like to run my gear directly off the DC power instead of plugging everything into 120vdc and then have the wall warts convert to the DC power. I currently have 10 radios on top of the elevator and it is a major distribution point for the North and East legs of our network. Any and all suggestions are welcomed!! Thanks folks, Mac - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/953 - Release Date: 8/14/2007 5:19 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Tough analysis from BusinessWeek on MuniWi-Fi: Why Wi-Fi Networks Are Floundering
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Re: [WISPA] DC power suggestions
And I thought *ALL* the corn came from Iowa. :) George Mike Hammett wrote: Wow, you learn something every day. What I've learned today is that down south harvests corn significantly earlier than we do in the corn belt. ;-) What I've wanted to do, but have been so far unable to do is to have a power source (be it a 120 vAC charger, solar cells, wind turbine, etc.) charge an array of batteries (the guys at Mr. Solar said that I should use 48 vDC for the DC systems), and then have a bunch of power supplies that use 48 vDC as the source.I have a PC based MT for my AP and an Orthogon Gemini on my primary tower. I can source 48 vDC power supplies for both. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions I have an 80' Rohn 25G tower on top of a 110' concrete grain elevator. This elevators power is giving me fits as they are flipping breakers on and off as they are in full swing with all the corn coming in right now out of the fields. I do have everything on UPS's, but need to move up the ranks for longer run times to 4 larger marine batteries to accomplish longer run times when the breakers are flipped off. Here is my question: Do they make a device that has multiple DC power output voltages (12/18/24/48) that connects directly to a set of batteries with the ability to connect multiple devices and if so - how do you keep your batteries charged? I would like to run my gear directly off the DC power instead of plugging everything into 120vdc and then have the wall warts convert to the DC power. I currently have 10 radios on top of the elevator and it is a major distribution point for the North and East legs of our network. Any and all suggestions are welcomed!! Thanks folks, Mac WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Conduits
Put a small parachute (remember the ones you made from a napkin as a kid???) tie that to a string. Hook a vacuum to the other end of the conduit. Count to 10, check for string :-). Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 12:38 PM Subject: [WISPA] Conduits So one has a long piece of conduit (150'). How would I get wires and the pull string through the conduit in the first place? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DC power suggestions
Tranzeo's can run at 24volts You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca Office Phone: 905 349-2084 Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm skype cajeptha Mac Dearman wrote: Most of the gear is(24 to 48vdc) MikroTik, but there are some Tranzeo TR5A (18vdc)backhaul radios as well as Trango Tlink 10's (24vdc)and even one Proxim Radio (48vdc) in place there. Thanks, Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 7:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions What gear do you need to power on ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 10:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions I have an 80' Rohn 25G tower on top of a 110' concrete grain elevator. This elevators power is giving me fits as they are flipping breakers on and off as they are in full swing with all the corn coming in right now out of the fields. I do have everything on UPS's, but need to move up the ranks for longer run times to 4 larger marine batteries to accomplish longer run times when the breakers are flipped off. Here is my question: Do they make a device that has multiple DC power output voltages (12/18/24/48) that connects directly to a set of batteries with the ability to connect multiple devices and if so - how do you keep your batteries charged? I would like to run my gear directly off the DC power instead of plugging everything into 120vdc and then have the wall warts convert to the DC power. I currently have 10 radios on top of the elevator and it is a major distribution point for the North and East legs of our network. Any and all suggestions are welcomed!! Thanks folks, Mac --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.17/951 - Release Date: 8/13/2007 10:15 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions
When they run -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carl A jeptha Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DC power suggestions Tranzeo's can run at 24volts You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca Office Phone: 905 349-2084 Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm skype cajeptha Mac Dearman wrote: Most of the gear is(24 to 48vdc) MikroTik, but there are some Tranzeo TR5A (18vdc)backhaul radios as well as Trango Tlink 10's (24vdc)and even one Proxim Radio (48vdc) in place there. Thanks, Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 7:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions What gear do you need to power on ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 10:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions I have an 80' Rohn 25G tower on top of a 110' concrete grain elevator. This elevators power is giving me fits as they are flipping breakers on and off as they are in full swing with all the corn coming in right now out of the fields. I do have everything on UPS's, but need to move up the ranks for longer run times to 4 larger marine batteries to accomplish longer run times when the breakers are flipped off. Here is my question: Do they make a device that has multiple DC power output voltages (12/18/24/48) that connects directly to a set of batteries with the ability to connect multiple devices and if so - how do you keep your batteries charged? I would like to run my gear directly off the DC power instead of plugging everything into 120vdc and then have the wall warts convert to the DC power. I currently have 10 radios on top of the elevator and it is a major distribution point for the North and East legs of our network. Any and all suggestions are welcomed!! Thanks folks, Mac --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.17/951 - Release Date: 8/13/2007 10:15 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DC power suggestions
haha, Iowa does produce the most, but just barely ahead of Illinois. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] DC power suggestions And I thought *ALL* the corn came from Iowa. :) George Mike Hammett wrote: Wow, you learn something every day. What I've learned today is that down south harvests corn significantly earlier than we do in the corn belt. ;-) What I've wanted to do, but have been so far unable to do is to have a power source (be it a 120 vAC charger, solar cells, wind turbine, etc.) charge an array of batteries (the guys at Mr. Solar said that I should use 48 vDC for the DC systems), and then have a bunch of power supplies that use 48 vDC as the source.I have a PC based MT for my AP and an Orthogon Gemini on my primary tower. I can source 48 vDC power supplies for both. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions I have an 80' Rohn 25G tower on top of a 110' concrete grain elevator. This elevators power is giving me fits as they are flipping breakers on and off as they are in full swing with all the corn coming in right now out of the fields. I do have everything on UPS's, but need to move up the ranks for longer run times to 4 larger marine batteries to accomplish longer run times when the breakers are flipped off. Here is my question: Do they make a device that has multiple DC power output voltages (12/18/24/48) that connects directly to a set of batteries with the ability to connect multiple devices and if so - how do you keep your batteries charged? I would like to run my gear directly off the DC power instead of plugging everything into 120vdc and then have the wall warts convert to the DC power. I currently have 10 radios on top of the elevator and it is a major distribution point for the North and East legs of our network. Any and all suggestions are welcomed!! Thanks folks, Mac WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers
Time George, time. I can do a connector, perfectly, every time, in 1/4th of the time that it takes the old way. And I NEVER have to redo them. Yeah it sucks paying $.50 for a connector, but my time and my sanity are worth it! And ONE call back because of a flaky connector covers my connector costs for years. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers I know those EZ's are easy, but they are expensive. Why don't you just learn to use the cheap ones and get it right. Why ay more if you don't have to? George Mike Hammett wrote: The RJ-45 male connectors and crimpers I use are a PITA sometimes. What are some nice connectors and crimpers to use? The female ends I use are really easy to put in the right order (and stay there), they don't have to be the exact length, etc. That said, I'm looking at possibly needing to install some shielded cable. I'd imagine they'd need a connector made for shielded cable. Suggestions on this route are appreciated as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DC power suggestions
Mac, I pulled some notes from a thread on the StarOS forums, you might want to go read the whole thing if this sounds interesting: === (gleaned from Solar Power thread on StarOS forum started 6/18/2006 by Ick) Should power at least 8 WAR2. Iota DLS-15 12v 15A battery charger (larger available) $116 http://store.solar-electric.com/ioen12vo15am.html optional Iota IQ4 plugin smart charger $29 (not so important since there will be a continuous load on the battery) PowerStream 12v to 24v converter PST-DU700-24 $140 retail price http://www.powerstream.com/ == I was just thinking about powering a few radios, still trying to decide between a 24V battery or 12V plus the extra converter. The Iota plugs into AC and keeps the battery charged. Oh, could you post some pictures of your tower on top of the grain elevator sometime? Especially the base of the tower, just curious on the specifics. (do the guys go all the way to the ground?) -John PS - I thought we grew a lot of corn in Michigan, but I see that Iowa does 8X as much. I think we have 15 ethanol plants built or in the permit process, I hear those will consume the entire state's corn crop. On August 15, at 10:50 AM August 15, Mac Dearman wrote: I have an 80' Rohn 25G tower on top of a 110' concrete grain elevator. This elevators power is giving me fits as they are flipping breakers on and off as they are in full swing with all the corn coming in right now out of the fields. I do have everything on UPS's, but need to move up the ranks for longer run times to 4 larger marine batteries to accomplish longer run times when the breakers are flipped off. Here is my question: Do they make a device that has multiple DC power output voltages (12/18/24/48) that connects directly to a set of batteries with the ability to connect multiple devices and if so - how do you keep your batteries charged? I would like to run my gear directly off the DC power instead of plugging everything into 120vdc and then have the wall warts convert to the DC power. I currently have 10 radios on top of the elevator and it is a major distribution point for the North and East legs of our network. Any and all suggestions are welcomed!! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DC power suggestions
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 10:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions Here is my question: Do they make a device that has multiple DC power output voltages (12/18/24/48) that connects directly to a set of batteries with the ability to connect multiple devices and if so - how do you keep your batteries charged? I would like to run my gear directly off the DC power instead of plugging everything into 120vdc and then have the wall warts convert to the DC power. I currently have 10 radios on top of the elevator and it is a major distribution point for the North and East legs of our network. Since you already have ups's in place, your problem sounds like simply that you didn't choose to use a model with battery packs. APC has models such as the 1400XL (or, for better effeciency, the 700XL if you won't be pulling lots and lots of juice) which will accept a daisy-chain of external battery packs, increasing the runtime considerably per each that you connect (up to some technical limit, but for your application I would think a full 24hrs and beyond would be within easy grasp, espically considering the reletively low power consumption of the gear you want to power). Better still, APC has cheap remote snmp mgmt cards for their units so you can a) know when the power is out, b) how long you have, and c) what the charge of the batteries are, so you can stay on top of it in case the outages go beyond what you had planned for. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers
We have had a number of EZ connectors fail. Most/all the ones I saw fail were traced back to a EZ crimper that when replaced went away. Not all the pins would sink. An installer said we also had a bad run of EZ connectors once. There not perfect and are certainly pricey. There about all we use now though. Matt Time George, time. I can do a connector, perfectly, every time, in 1/4th of the time that it takes the old way. And I NEVER have to redo them. Yeah it sucks paying $.50 for a connector, but my time and my sanity are worth it! And ONE call back because of a flaky connector covers my connector costs for years. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers
The Ezs are great when up on a tower or in a big hurry. You are just about 100% sure its done right. The cable tester is merely an exercise. Too bad they don't have a shielded one. BTW- I looked up the patent. Its assigned to Paladin tools, the only ones who also make the crimper. I spoke to them about the cost of the connectors at a show in Orlando and they pretty much could have cared less. I say: wait until the Chinese clone them, then watch the prices. Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers Time George, time. I can do a connector, perfectly, every time, in 1/4th of the time that it takes the old way. And I NEVER have to redo them. Yeah it sucks paying $.50 for a connector, but my time and my sanity are worth it! And ONE call back because of a flaky connector covers my connector costs for years. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers I know those EZ's are easy, but they are expensive. Why don't you just learn to use the cheap ones and get it right. Why ay more if you don't have to? George Mike Hammett wrote: The RJ-45 male connectors and crimpers I use are a PITA sometimes. What are some nice connectors and crimpers to use? The female ends I use are really easy to put in the right order (and stay there), they don't have to be the exact length, etc. That said, I'm looking at possibly needing to install some shielded cable. I'd imagine they'd need a connector made for shielded cable. Suggestions on this route are appreciated as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions
Even more OT- For those of us down here in Peanut country... What the holy heck is a grain leg? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:08 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions Go to www.raleybros.com (about 10 miles from my home) when the home page comes up just keep refreshing your browser to change the pics displayed. All of the elevators are already running over, the temporary ground storage bins are full and now all the elevators around here are just dumping it on the ground in huge piles. All the river port facilities are backed up for miles with grain trucks trying to haul it out of here and the railroad facilities can't get enough grain cars in to haul it all out of here. Corn flakes ought to be .20 cents a box! Mac WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DC power suggestions
http://apgrainsystems.com/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 3:32 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions Even more OT- For those of us down here in Peanut country... What the holy heck is a grain leg? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:08 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions Go to www.raleybros.com (about 10 miles from my home) when the home page comes up just keep refreshing your browser to change the pics displayed. All of the elevators are already running over, the temporary ground storage bins are full and now all the elevators around here are just dumping it on the ground in huge piles. All the river port facilities are backed up for miles with grain trucks trying to haul it out of here and the railroad facilities can't get enough grain cars in to haul it all out of here. Corn flakes ought to be .20 cents a box! Mac WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service
Sounds cheap to me. Our rate is $60 per hour + travel time at $30 per hour, and we are quite rural. Mike Hammett wrote: Does this sound fair to all parties? My normal rate is $40/hour, with $80/hour for emergencies. I charge $150/month to manage a business's network. This includes 3 hours of support. I also will VPN into the network and ensure that operating systems, anti-virus, etc. are updated, which does not consume any hours. Additional support is available at $35/$70 per hour. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Managed IT Service
Does this sound fair to all parties? My normal rate is $40/hour, with $80/hour for emergencies. I charge $150/month to manage a business's network. This includes 3 hours of support. I also will VPN into the network and ensure that operating systems, anti-virus, etc. are updated, which does not consume any hours. Additional support is available at $35/$70 per hour. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service
I don't see any possible way that you're making any sort of actual profit on this (or even really breaking even) at this rate, unless you've got some redicuously cheap labor Consider this... If you're doing $40 an hour, and you had a full time person billing 100% of the time (ie 168 hours per month), then you'll max out for that employee at about $80,000 of revenueyou then have to pay taxes, mileage, insurance, etc... Now, take into account that a single full time employee doing this full time in reality will never do more than 100 billable hours a month... This is from experience and even assumes that you're fairly streamlined in terms of paperwork, supplies, travel routes, etc... This means, at $40 per hour, you'll only pull in $48,000 per year in revenue for that full time employeeassuming you have a streamlined operation. There's no room in there to pay them, pay taxes, pay mileage, pay for their portion of office space (and other expense), pay for billing, pay for your time in management, and so forth. I'd double it as a starting point if you're in a rural market, triple if you're urban, and probably more for people who aren't regular customers. Still, a lot does depend on your market and your business model. Are your employees knowledgeable? Do they really know what they are doing on this stuff, or are they just fumbling through... Keep in mind, as well, that small business consulting is not too different from dealing with people in the home construction / repair industry--there are a lot of people who just walked off the farm, so to speak, and claim to be in the business (no insult intended, and some of them do well). They aren't always the best in terms of quality, and they aren't always the best in terms of professionalism. Most businesses that have some sense pay more to get better quality...in some sense, if you price yourself higher, you price yourself into the good customers. You also give yourself the money to do it well... -Clint Ricker Kentnis Technologies On 8/15/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this sound fair to all parties? My normal rate is $40/hour, with $80/hour for emergencies. I charge $150/month to manage a business's network. This includes 3 hours of support. I also will VPN into the network and ensure that operating systems, anti-virus, etc. are updated, which does not consume any hours. Additional support is available at $35/$70 per hour. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service
We are the cheapest guy in town at $90/hour for Onsite. I guess it depends on location. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 5:03 PM Subject: [WISPA] Managed IT Service Does this sound fair to all parties? My normal rate is $40/hour, with $80/hour for emergencies. I charge $150/month to manage a business's network. This includes 3 hours of support. I also will VPN into the network and ensure that operating systems, anti-virus, etc. are updated, which does not consume any hours. Additional support is available at $35/$70 per hour. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/953 - Release Date: 8/14/2007 5:19 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service
Depends upon your market and what you can get away with and who you want to target. Mike Hammett wrote: Does this sound fair to all parties? My normal rate is $40/hour, with $80/hour for emergencies. I charge $150/month to manage a business's network. This includes 3 hours of support. I also will VPN into the network and ensure that operating systems, anti-virus, etc. are updated, which does not consume any hours. Additional support is available at $35/$70 per hour. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers
Funny, I can do them both in about the same time. George Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Time George, time. I can do a connector, perfectly, every time, in 1/4th of the time that it takes the old way. And I NEVER have to redo them. Yeah it sucks paying $.50 for a connector, but my time and my sanity are worth it! And ONE call back because of a flaky connector covers my connector costs for years. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers I know those EZ's are easy, but they are expensive. Why don't you just learn to use the cheap ones and get it right. Why ay more if you don't have to? George Mike Hammett wrote: The RJ-45 male connectors and crimpers I use are a PITA sometimes. What are some nice connectors and crimpers to use? The female ends I use are really easy to put in the right order (and stay there), they don't have to be the exact length, etc. That said, I'm looking at possibly needing to install some shielded cable. I'd imagine they'd need a connector made for shielded cable. Suggestions on this route are appreciated as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service
Currently it is only myself, so I pocket 100% of it. I'll expand upon my thoughts not to defend my price, but to say where I'm coming from in an attempt to figure out if my current system won't scale or if everyone else is just screwing their customers. That said, I don't see how all of those things really add up to that much money. At $20/hour, that's just under $42k/year for a full time employee. Make that just over $43k after you figure in unemployment, social security, and Medicare. I only pay income tax on what I profit, so that's not part of the equation. Office space and use is pretty cheap. $250 for the whole office, I have options on other office spaces in the building. Most any problem can be quickly diagnosed and repaired, being able to include travel time within the 1 hour minimum. Otherwise, the $15/hour I make for beyond the included 3 hours surely pays for the $5 - $10 in mileage they would use (until I have my own vehicles). Everything is manual at the moment because there just isn't the volume, but I can't see the minute I spend entering into QuickBooks taking that much time or money to bill them, pay the employee, etc. There haven't been many things that I've encountered that I haven't been able to fix quickly. I know at least one other person that is about as smart as myself and they'd be tickled pink with $10/hour. I greatly prefer people that have gained their knowledge outside of formal education. After going through college, I would have only hired 2 people in my class of 30 (myself included) due to information absorption and retention rates. College just trains you to expect more than what you're really worth. etc. If we're going on 100 billable hours of work a month, that's 33 customers, assuming they actually need my services that month. I've only been doing this a couple months, but I really don't think I'll be needed much. They're paying for something they may not utilize, but have on reserve. 33 customers would be almost $60k/year. That leaves me $15k/year to cover all of those other, misc expenses. If I can't do that, I have bigger problems to deal with. Maybe I'll kick up my rates 25% or so, but $80 or $120/hour, IMNHO is just screwing the customer. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Clint Ricker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service I don't see any possible way that you're making any sort of actual profit on this (or even really breaking even) at this rate, unless you've got some redicuously cheap labor Consider this... If you're doing $40 an hour, and you had a full time person billing 100% of the time (ie 168 hours per month), then you'll max out for that employee at about $80,000 of revenueyou then have to pay taxes, mileage, insurance, etc... Now, take into account that a single full time employee doing this full time in reality will never do more than 100 billable hours a month... This is from experience and even assumes that you're fairly streamlined in terms of paperwork, supplies, travel routes, etc... This means, at $40 per hour, you'll only pull in $48,000 per year in revenue for that full time employeeassuming you have a streamlined operation. There's no room in there to pay them, pay taxes, pay mileage, pay for their portion of office space (and other expense), pay for billing, pay for your time in management, and so forth. I'd double it as a starting point if you're in a rural market, triple if you're urban, and probably more for people who aren't regular customers. Still, a lot does depend on your market and your business model. Are your employees knowledgeable? Do they really know what they are doing on this stuff, or are they just fumbling through... Keep in mind, as well, that small business consulting is not too different from dealing with people in the home construction / repair industry--there are a lot of people who just walked off the farm, so to speak, and claim to be in the business (no insult intended, and some of them do well). They aren't always the best in terms of quality, and they aren't always the best in terms of professionalism. Most businesses that have some sense pay more to get better quality...in some sense, if you price yourself higher, you price yourself into the good customers. You also give yourself the money to do it well... -Clint Ricker Kentnis Technologies On 8/15/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this sound fair to all parties? My normal rate is $40/hour, with $80/hour for emergencies. I charge $150/month to manage a business's network. This includes 3 hours of support. I also will VPN into the network and ensure that operating systems, anti-virus, etc. are updated, which does not consume any hours. Additional support is
[WISPA] Wholesale WiMAX
I saw this post and thought wow, a lot of money in the build-out side for this. http://www.towerstream.com/content.asp?serviceareas Then I read this: http://www.dailywireless.org/2007/08/15/towerstream-to-wholesale-mobile-wimax/ So if you want see BreezeMAX in action here you go. Of course you could fly to Juneau, AK and get one also. :-) -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service
It really does depend on your market. If you can get an office for $250 a month, then your prices are probably in line with your market. I couldn't get a closet for that price! :-) Mike Hammett wrote: Currently it is only myself, so I pocket 100% of it. I'll expand upon my thoughts not to defend my price, but to say where I'm coming from in an attempt to figure out if my current system won't scale or if everyone else is just screwing their customers. That said, I don't see how all of those things really add up to that much money. At $20/hour, that's just under $42k/year for a full time employee. Make that just over $43k after you figure in unemployment, social security, and Medicare. I only pay income tax on what I profit, so that's not part of the equation. Office space and use is pretty cheap. $250 for the whole office, I have options on other office spaces in the building. Most any problem can be quickly diagnosed and repaired, being able to include travel time within the 1 hour minimum. Otherwise, the $15/hour I make for beyond the included 3 hours surely pays for the $5 - $10 in mileage they would use (until I have my own vehicles). Everything is manual at the moment because there just isn't the volume, but I can't see the minute I spend entering into QuickBooks taking that much time or money to bill them, pay the employee, etc. There haven't been many things that I've encountered that I haven't been able to fix quickly. I know at least one other person that is about as smart as myself and they'd be tickled pink with $10/hour. I greatly prefer people that have gained their knowledge outside of formal education. After going through college, I would have only hired 2 people in my class of 30 (myself included) due to information absorption and retention rates. College just trains you to expect more than what you're really worth. etc. If we're going on 100 billable hours of work a month, that's 33 customers, assuming they actually need my services that month. I've only been doing this a couple months, but I really don't think I'll be needed much. They're paying for something they may not utilize, but have on reserve. 33 customers would be almost $60k/year. That leaves me $15k/year to cover all of those other, misc expenses. If I can't do that, I have bigger problems to deal with. Maybe I'll kick up my rates 25% or so, but $80 or $120/hour, IMNHO is just screwing the customer. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Clint Ricker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service I don't see any possible way that you're making any sort of actual profit on this (or even really breaking even) at this rate, unless you've got some redicuously cheap labor Consider this... If you're doing $40 an hour, and you had a full time person billing 100% of the time (ie 168 hours per month), then you'll max out for that employee at about $80,000 of revenueyou then have to pay taxes, mileage, insurance, etc... Now, take into account that a single full time employee doing this full time in reality will never do more than 100 billable hours a month... This is from experience and even assumes that you're fairly streamlined in terms of paperwork, supplies, travel routes, etc... This means, at $40 per hour, you'll only pull in $48,000 per year in revenue for that full time employeeassuming you have a streamlined operation. There's no room in there to pay them, pay taxes, pay mileage, pay for their portion of office space (and other expense), pay for billing, pay for your time in management, and so forth. I'd double it as a starting point if you're in a rural market, triple if you're urban, and probably more for people who aren't regular customers. Still, a lot does depend on your market and your business model. Are your employees knowledgeable? Do they really know what they are doing on this stuff, or are they just fumbling through... Keep in mind, as well, that small business consulting is not too different from dealing with people in the home construction / repair industry--there are a lot of people who just walked off the farm, so to speak, and claim to be in the business (no insult intended, and some of them do well). They aren't always the best in terms of quality, and they aren't always the best in terms of professionalism. Most businesses that have some sense pay more to get better quality...in some sense, if you price yourself higher, you price yourself into the good customers. You also give yourself the money to do it well... -Clint Ricker Kentnis Technologies On 8/15/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this sound fair to all parties? My normal rate is $40/hour, with $80/hour for emergencies. I charge $150/month to manage a
Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service
I have a conference room, three offices, two closets, a waiting room, a general purpose room, and another room with the receptionist station for the waiting room. I believe its around 900 sq. ft. I'm getting two more storage rooms now for another $50/month. That adds another 250 - 350 sq. ft. (I haven't measured). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Martha Huizenga [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service It really does depend on your market. If you can get an office for $250 a month, then your prices are probably in line with your market. I couldn't get a closet for that price! :-) Mike Hammett wrote: Currently it is only myself, so I pocket 100% of it. I'll expand upon my thoughts not to defend my price, but to say where I'm coming from in an attempt to figure out if my current system won't scale or if everyone else is just screwing their customers. That said, I don't see how all of those things really add up to that much money. At $20/hour, that's just under $42k/year for a full time employee. Make that just over $43k after you figure in unemployment, social security, and Medicare. I only pay income tax on what I profit, so that's not part of the equation. Office space and use is pretty cheap. $250 for the whole office, I have options on other office spaces in the building. Most any problem can be quickly diagnosed and repaired, being able to include travel time within the 1 hour minimum. Otherwise, the $15/hour I make for beyond the included 3 hours surely pays for the $5 - $10 in mileage they would use (until I have my own vehicles). Everything is manual at the moment because there just isn't the volume, but I can't see the minute I spend entering into QuickBooks taking that much time or money to bill them, pay the employee, etc. There haven't been many things that I've encountered that I haven't been able to fix quickly. I know at least one other person that is about as smart as myself and they'd be tickled pink with $10/hour. I greatly prefer people that have gained their knowledge outside of formal education. After going through college, I would have only hired 2 people in my class of 30 (myself included) due to information absorption and retention rates. College just trains you to expect more than what you're really worth. etc. If we're going on 100 billable hours of work a month, that's 33 customers, assuming they actually need my services that month. I've only been doing this a couple months, but I really don't think I'll be needed much. They're paying for something they may not utilize, but have on reserve. 33 customers would be almost $60k/year. That leaves me $15k/year to cover all of those other, misc expenses. If I can't do that, I have bigger problems to deal with. Maybe I'll kick up my rates 25% or so, but $80 or $120/hour, IMNHO is just screwing the customer. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Clint Ricker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service I don't see any possible way that you're making any sort of actual profit on this (or even really breaking even) at this rate, unless you've got some redicuously cheap labor Consider this... If you're doing $40 an hour, and you had a full time person billing 100% of the time (ie 168 hours per month), then you'll max out for that employee at about $80,000 of revenueyou then have to pay taxes, mileage, insurance, etc... Now, take into account that a single full time employee doing this full time in reality will never do more than 100 billable hours a month... This is from experience and even assumes that you're fairly streamlined in terms of paperwork, supplies, travel routes, etc... This means, at $40 per hour, you'll only pull in $48,000 per year in revenue for that full time employeeassuming you have a streamlined operation. There's no room in there to pay them, pay taxes, pay mileage, pay for their portion of office space (and other expense), pay for billing, pay for your time in management, and so forth. I'd double it as a starting point if you're in a rural market, triple if you're urban, and probably more for people who aren't regular customers. Still, a lot does depend on your market and your business model. Are your employees knowledgeable? Do they really know what they are doing on this stuff, or are they just fumbling through... Keep in mind, as well, that small business consulting is not too different from dealing with people in the home construction / repair industry--there are a lot of people who just walked off the farm, so to speak, and claim to be in the business (no
Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service
Remember, that it has been widely shown that most small businesses attempt to use a cost plus model for pricing. Unfortunately, the cost plus model while making sense on paper tends to not work out in the long run. It is far better to price according to what the market will accept and make sure that such a price has sufficient profit. With such a model you will either find more profit or that you shouldn't be in the business to begin with. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service
Mike, We charge $80 an hour regardless of residential or business. Now we are in the city (DC), but I think that $40 an hour for a business and $150 a month is quite a good deal. Sometimes we'll do projects at a flat rate price, but we always consider the amount of time we think it will take and a not to exceed for the customers sake. Martha Huizenga DC Access Mike Hammett wrote: Does this sound fair to all parties? My normal rate is $40/hour, with $80/hour for emergencies. I charge $150/month to manage a business's network. This includes 3 hours of support. I also will VPN into the network and ensure that operating systems, anti-virus, etc. are updated, which does not consume any hours. Additional support is available at $35/$70 per hour. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Managed IT Service
College just trains you to expect more than what you're really worth. Maybe you didn't LISTEN good enough in college! If you were listening, you would have heard what you should actually EXPECT was right on. If you are as good and knowledgeable as you state, then you are not charging what you ARE worth. The only way you would be screwing anyone at $80 per hour is if you didn't know what you are doing. There is nothing wrong with making money. Become more confident and raise your rate to what your market will support! You will be happier in the long run...You'll be happy you did. :) Obtain the return on your college investment. It wasn't cheap I bet. Charge what you're really worth; just like they told you in school!!! - Cliff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 5:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service Currently it is only myself, so I pocket 100% of it. I'll expand upon my thoughts not to defend my price, but to say where I'm coming from in an attempt to figure out if my current system won't scale or if everyone else is just screwing their customers. That said, I don't see how all of those things really add up to that much money. At $20/hour, that's just under $42k/year for a full time employee. Make that just over $43k after you figure in unemployment, social security, and Medicare. I only pay income tax on what I profit, so that's not part of the equation. Office space and use is pretty cheap. $250 for the whole office, I have options on other office spaces in the building. Most any problem can be quickly diagnosed and repaired, being able to include travel time within the 1 hour minimum. Otherwise, the $15/hour I make for beyond the included 3 hours surely pays for the $5 - $10 in mileage they would use (until I have my own vehicles). Everything is manual at the moment because there just isn't the volume, but I can't see the minute I spend entering into QuickBooks taking that much time or money to bill them, pay the employee, etc. There haven't been many things that I've encountered that I haven't been able to fix quickly. I know at least one other person that is about as smart as myself and they'd be tickled pink with $10/hour. I greatly prefer people that have gained their knowledge outside of formal education. After going through college, I would have only hired 2 people in my class of 30 (myself included) due to information absorption and retention rates. College just trains you to expect more than what you're really worth. etc. If we're going on 100 billable hours of work a month, that's 33 customers, assuming they actually need my services that month. I've only been doing this a couple months, but I really don't think I'll be needed much. They're paying for something they may not utilize, but have on reserve. 33 customers would be almost $60k/year. That leaves me $15k/year to cover all of those other, misc expenses. If I can't do that, I have bigger problems to deal with. Maybe I'll kick up my rates 25% or so, but $80 or $120/hour, IMNHO is just screwing the customer. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Clint Ricker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service I don't see any possible way that you're making any sort of actual profit on this (or even really breaking even) at this rate, unless you've got some redicuously cheap labor Consider this... If you're doing $40 an hour, and you had a full time person billing 100% of the time (ie 168 hours per month), then you'll max out for that employee at about $80,000 of revenueyou then have to pay taxes, mileage, insurance, etc... Now, take into account that a single full time employee doing this full time in reality will never do more than 100 billable hours a month... This is from experience and even assumes that you're fairly streamlined in terms of paperwork, supplies, travel routes, etc... This means, at $40 per hour, you'll only pull in $48,000 per year in revenue for that full time employeeassuming you have a streamlined operation. There's no room in there to pay them, pay taxes, pay mileage, pay for their portion of office space (and other expense), pay for billing, pay for your time in management, and so forth. I'd double it as a starting point if you're in a rural market, triple if you're urban, and probably more for people who aren't regular customers. Still, a lot does depend on your market and your business model. Are your employees knowledgeable? Do they really know what they are doing on this stuff, or are they just fumbling through... Keep in mind, as well, that small business consulting is not too different from dealing with
Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service
My family is fairly poor, so the state and feds picked most of it up. I should obtain the return on YOUR investment. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Cliff Leboeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:07 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Managed IT Service College just trains you to expect more than what you're really worth. Maybe you didn't LISTEN good enough in college! If you were listening, you would have heard what you should actually EXPECT was right on. If you are as good and knowledgeable as you state, then you are not charging what you ARE worth. The only way you would be screwing anyone at $80 per hour is if you didn't know what you are doing. There is nothing wrong with making money. Become more confident and raise your rate to what your market will support! You will be happier in the long run...You'll be happy you did. :) Obtain the return on your college investment. It wasn't cheap I bet. Charge what you're really worth; just like they told you in school!!! - Cliff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 5:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service Currently it is only myself, so I pocket 100% of it. I'll expand upon my thoughts not to defend my price, but to say where I'm coming from in an attempt to figure out if my current system won't scale or if everyone else is just screwing their customers. That said, I don't see how all of those things really add up to that much money. At $20/hour, that's just under $42k/year for a full time employee. Make that just over $43k after you figure in unemployment, social security, and Medicare. I only pay income tax on what I profit, so that's not part of the equation. Office space and use is pretty cheap. $250 for the whole office, I have options on other office spaces in the building. Most any problem can be quickly diagnosed and repaired, being able to include travel time within the 1 hour minimum. Otherwise, the $15/hour I make for beyond the included 3 hours surely pays for the $5 - $10 in mileage they would use (until I have my own vehicles). Everything is manual at the moment because there just isn't the volume, but I can't see the minute I spend entering into QuickBooks taking that much time or money to bill them, pay the employee, etc. There haven't been many things that I've encountered that I haven't been able to fix quickly. I know at least one other person that is about as smart as myself and they'd be tickled pink with $10/hour. I greatly prefer people that have gained their knowledge outside of formal education. After going through college, I would have only hired 2 people in my class of 30 (myself included) due to information absorption and retention rates. College just trains you to expect more than what you're really worth. etc. If we're going on 100 billable hours of work a month, that's 33 customers, assuming they actually need my services that month. I've only been doing this a couple months, but I really don't think I'll be needed much. They're paying for something they may not utilize, but have on reserve. 33 customers would be almost $60k/year. That leaves me $15k/year to cover all of those other, misc expenses. If I can't do that, I have bigger problems to deal with. Maybe I'll kick up my rates 25% or so, but $80 or $120/hour, IMNHO is just screwing the customer. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Clint Ricker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service I don't see any possible way that you're making any sort of actual profit on this (or even really breaking even) at this rate, unless you've got some redicuously cheap labor Consider this... If you're doing $40 an hour, and you had a full time person billing 100% of the time (ie 168 hours per month), then you'll max out for that employee at about $80,000 of revenueyou then have to pay taxes, mileage, insurance, etc... Now, take into account that a single full time employee doing this full time in reality will never do more than 100 billable hours a month... This is from experience and even assumes that you're fairly streamlined in terms of paperwork, supplies, travel routes, etc... This means, at $40 per hour, you'll only pull in $48,000 per year in revenue for that full time employeeassuming you have a streamlined operation. There's no room in there to pay them, pay taxes, pay mileage, pay for their portion of office space (and other expense), pay for billing, pay for your time in management, and so forth. I'd double it as a starting point if you're in a rural market, triple if you're
Re: [WISPA] Conduits
Make sure you have a filter BEFORE the fan providing suction to the vacuum! String+motor axle=mess! ryan On Aug 15, 2007, at 8:47 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Put a small parachute (remember the ones you made from a napkin as a kid???) tie that to a string. Hook a vacuum to the other end of the conduit. Count to 10, check for string :-). Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 12:38 PM Subject: [WISPA] Conduits So one has a long piece of conduit (150'). How would I get wires and the pull string through the conduit in the first place? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Managed IT Service
Mike, if you are to get a return on MY investment, don't short-change me! I'd rather you get the most return on MY investment that you can than to see it wasted on those that are not willing to offer me ANY return -- only to put their hand out for more... :( Go get em'. Make me proud! Raise your rate. :) I believe in you ... so should you! - Cliff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service My family is fairly poor, so the state and feds picked most of it up. I should obtain the return on YOUR investment. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Cliff Leboeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:07 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Managed IT Service College just trains you to expect more than what you're really worth. Maybe you didn't LISTEN good enough in college! If you were listening, you would have heard what you should actually EXPECT was right on. If you are as good and knowledgeable as you state, then you are not charging what you ARE worth. The only way you would be screwing anyone at $80 per hour is if you didn't know what you are doing. There is nothing wrong with making money. Become more confident and raise your rate to what your market will support! You will be happier in the long run...You'll be happy you did. :) Obtain the return on your college investment. It wasn't cheap I bet. Charge what you're really worth; just like they told you in school!!! - Cliff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 5:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service Currently it is only myself, so I pocket 100% of it. I'll expand upon my thoughts not to defend my price, but to say where I'm coming from in an attempt to figure out if my current system won't scale or if everyone else is just screwing their customers. That said, I don't see how all of those things really add up to that much money. At $20/hour, that's just under $42k/year for a full time employee. Make that just over $43k after you figure in unemployment, social security, and Medicare. I only pay income tax on what I profit, so that's not part of the equation. Office space and use is pretty cheap. $250 for the whole office, I have options on other office spaces in the building. Most any problem can be quickly diagnosed and repaired, being able to include travel time within the 1 hour minimum. Otherwise, the $15/hour I make for beyond the included 3 hours surely pays for the $5 - $10 in mileage they would use (until I have my own vehicles). Everything is manual at the moment because there just isn't the volume, but I can't see the minute I spend entering into QuickBooks taking that much time or money to bill them, pay the employee, etc. There haven't been many things that I've encountered that I haven't been able to fix quickly. I know at least one other person that is about as smart as myself and they'd be tickled pink with $10/hour. I greatly prefer people that have gained their knowledge outside of formal education. After going through college, I would have only hired 2 people in my class of 30 (myself included) due to information absorption and retention rates. College just trains you to expect more than what you're really worth. etc. If we're going on 100 billable hours of work a month, that's 33 customers, assuming they actually need my services that month. I've only been doing this a couple months, but I really don't think I'll be needed much. They're paying for something they may not utilize, but have on reserve. 33 customers would be almost $60k/year. That leaves me $15k/year to cover all of those other, misc expenses. If I can't do that, I have bigger problems to deal with. Maybe I'll kick up my rates 25% or so, but $80 or $120/hour, IMNHO is just screwing the customer. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Clint Ricker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service I don't see any possible way that you're making any sort of actual profit on this (or even really breaking even) at this rate, unless you've got some redicuously cheap labor Consider this... If you're doing $40 an hour, and you had a full time person billing 100% of the time (ie 168 hours per month), then you'll max out for that employee at about $80,000 of revenueyou then have to pay taxes, mileage, insurance, etc... Now, take into account that a single full time employee doing this full time in reality will never do more than 100 billable hours
Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service
Totally random notes: My rate is $70 an hour _if_ the customer signs up for 1 year of service with me @ 1/2 hour per machine per month. The customer likes this because they know how much they are paying a month, every month. Basically they get an IT department looking out for them without having to hire an IT department. I do a quasi-rollover-minutes thing with them and always note this is un-billed as I did not use all of the time you paid for last month! Make sure to ALWAYS print what they got for free EVERY month on their invoice. Even if the decision makers do not see that text, the bill payers will and they will tell the decision makers to rehire you as they see you are a bargain. The customer get all the bells an whistles of a clean running network as soon as I walk in the door including fixes they did not know they needed, but will need when they least expect it. This puts me behind in paid hours for the first few months, but makes for less hours expended for the remainder of the contract. You would be amazed how comfortable this makes people, to the point where they get nervous and call me around month 10 of a 12 month to re-up the contract before it expires. My normal rate is $100-125/hour if I am not on contract. Read this for some guidelines: http://www.unixwiz.net/techtips/be- consultant.html. ryan On Aug 15, 2007, at 2:10 PM, Blair Davis wrote: Sounds cheap to me. Our rate is $60 per hour + travel time at $30 per hour, and we are quite rural. Mike Hammett wrote: Does this sound fair to all parties? My normal rate is $40/hour, with $80/hour for emergencies. I charge $150/month to manage a business's network. This includes 3 hours of support. I also will VPN into the network and ensure that operating systems, anti-virus, etc. are updated, which does not consume any hours. Additional support is available at $35/$70 per hour. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service
I already did. ;-) I forgot the entire rate structure before... $35/hour in shop, $50/hour on site, $90/hour emergency. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Cliff Leboeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 7:17 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Managed IT Service Mike, if you are to get a return on MY investment, don't short-change me! I'd rather you get the most return on MY investment that you can than to see it wasted on those that are not willing to offer me ANY return -- only to put their hand out for more... :( Go get em'. Make me proud! Raise your rate. :) I believe in you ... so should you! - Cliff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service My family is fairly poor, so the state and feds picked most of it up. I should obtain the return on YOUR investment. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Cliff Leboeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:07 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Managed IT Service College just trains you to expect more than what you're really worth. Maybe you didn't LISTEN good enough in college! If you were listening, you would have heard what you should actually EXPECT was right on. If you are as good and knowledgeable as you state, then you are not charging what you ARE worth. The only way you would be screwing anyone at $80 per hour is if you didn't know what you are doing. There is nothing wrong with making money. Become more confident and raise your rate to what your market will support! You will be happier in the long run...You'll be happy you did. :) Obtain the return on your college investment. It wasn't cheap I bet. Charge what you're really worth; just like they told you in school!!! - Cliff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 5:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service Currently it is only myself, so I pocket 100% of it. I'll expand upon my thoughts not to defend my price, but to say where I'm coming from in an attempt to figure out if my current system won't scale or if everyone else is just screwing their customers. That said, I don't see how all of those things really add up to that much money. At $20/hour, that's just under $42k/year for a full time employee. Make that just over $43k after you figure in unemployment, social security, and Medicare. I only pay income tax on what I profit, so that's not part of the equation. Office space and use is pretty cheap. $250 for the whole office, I have options on other office spaces in the building. Most any problem can be quickly diagnosed and repaired, being able to include travel time within the 1 hour minimum. Otherwise, the $15/hour I make for beyond the included 3 hours surely pays for the $5 - $10 in mileage they would use (until I have my own vehicles). Everything is manual at the moment because there just isn't the volume, but I can't see the minute I spend entering into QuickBooks taking that much time or money to bill them, pay the employee, etc. There haven't been many things that I've encountered that I haven't been able to fix quickly. I know at least one other person that is about as smart as myself and they'd be tickled pink with $10/hour. I greatly prefer people that have gained their knowledge outside of formal education. After going through college, I would have only hired 2 people in my class of 30 (myself included) due to information absorption and retention rates. College just trains you to expect more than what you're really worth. etc. If we're going on 100 billable hours of work a month, that's 33 customers, assuming they actually need my services that month. I've only been doing this a couple months, but I really don't think I'll be needed much. They're paying for something they may not utilize, but have on reserve. 33 customers would be almost $60k/year. That leaves me $15k/year to cover all of those other, misc expenses. If I can't do that, I have bigger problems to deal with. Maybe I'll kick up my rates 25% or so, but $80 or $120/hour, IMNHO is just screwing the customer. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Clint Ricker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service I don't see any possible way that you're making any sort of actual profit on this (or even really breaking even) at this rate, unless you've got some redicuously cheap
Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service
errr, those rates are the new ones. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service I already did. ;-) I forgot the entire rate structure before... $35/hour in shop, $50/hour on site, $90/hour emergency. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Cliff Leboeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 7:17 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Managed IT Service Mike, if you are to get a return on MY investment, don't short-change me! I'd rather you get the most return on MY investment that you can than to see it wasted on those that are not willing to offer me ANY return -- only to put their hand out for more... :( Go get em'. Make me proud! Raise your rate. :) I believe in you ... so should you! - Cliff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service My family is fairly poor, so the state and feds picked most of it up. I should obtain the return on YOUR investment. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Cliff Leboeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:07 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Managed IT Service College just trains you to expect more than what you're really worth. Maybe you didn't LISTEN good enough in college! If you were listening, you would have heard what you should actually EXPECT was right on. If you are as good and knowledgeable as you state, then you are not charging what you ARE worth. The only way you would be screwing anyone at $80 per hour is if you didn't know what you are doing. There is nothing wrong with making money. Become more confident and raise your rate to what your market will support! You will be happier in the long run...You'll be happy you did. :) Obtain the return on your college investment. It wasn't cheap I bet. Charge what you're really worth; just like they told you in school!!! - Cliff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 5:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service Currently it is only myself, so I pocket 100% of it. I'll expand upon my thoughts not to defend my price, but to say where I'm coming from in an attempt to figure out if my current system won't scale or if everyone else is just screwing their customers. That said, I don't see how all of those things really add up to that much money. At $20/hour, that's just under $42k/year for a full time employee. Make that just over $43k after you figure in unemployment, social security, and Medicare. I only pay income tax on what I profit, so that's not part of the equation. Office space and use is pretty cheap. $250 for the whole office, I have options on other office spaces in the building. Most any problem can be quickly diagnosed and repaired, being able to include travel time within the 1 hour minimum. Otherwise, the $15/hour I make for beyond the included 3 hours surely pays for the $5 - $10 in mileage they would use (until I have my own vehicles). Everything is manual at the moment because there just isn't the volume, but I can't see the minute I spend entering into QuickBooks taking that much time or money to bill them, pay the employee, etc. There haven't been many things that I've encountered that I haven't been able to fix quickly. I know at least one other person that is about as smart as myself and they'd be tickled pink with $10/hour. I greatly prefer people that have gained their knowledge outside of formal education. After going through college, I would have only hired 2 people in my class of 30 (myself included) due to information absorption and retention rates. College just trains you to expect more than what you're really worth. etc. If we're going on 100 billable hours of work a month, that's 33 customers, assuming they actually need my services that month. I've only been doing this a couple months, but I really don't think I'll be needed much. They're paying for something they may not utilize, but have on reserve. 33 customers would be almost $60k/year. That leaves me $15k/year to cover all of those other, misc expenses. If I can't do that, I have bigger problems to deal with. Maybe I'll kick up my rates 25% or so, but $80 or $120/hour, IMNHO is just screwing the customer. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Clint Ricker [EMAIL
Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service
Mike - I'm in a sort of backwatery place with rent similar to what you're quoting, so I'll just throw this in: If you're just getting started, word of mouth and reputation is very valuable to you - so if you can keep your prices low and give good quality, those people will talk about you. You can safely raise prices as the demand for your time grows. So, I do websites locally - my first clients did not pay a lot of cash, but I could not buy the kind of incredible advertising that they've provided for me. Now, when people are beating down my door and I have to turn down work - the prices go up. i.e. I'd rather take 5 jobs for $50 then one for $250. word of mouth is everything in smaller markets! If you can go cheap, you might find that people who wouldn't consider hiring a 'consultant'. Just some thoughts from another smalltowner :) J On 8/15/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: errr, those rates are the new ones. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service I already did. ;-) I forgot the entire rate structure before... $35/hour in shop, $50/hour on site, $90/hour emergency. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Cliff Leboeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 7:17 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Managed IT Service Mike, if you are to get a return on MY investment, don't short-change me! I'd rather you get the most return on MY investment that you can than to see it wasted on those that are not willing to offer me ANY return -- only to put their hand out for more... :( Go get em'. Make me proud! Raise your rate. :) I believe in you ... so should you! - Cliff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service My family is fairly poor, so the state and feds picked most of it up. I should obtain the return on YOUR investment. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Cliff Leboeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:07 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Managed IT Service College just trains you to expect more than what you're really worth. Maybe you didn't LISTEN good enough in college! If you were listening, you would have heard what you should actually EXPECT was right on. If you are as good and knowledgeable as you state, then you are not charging what you ARE worth. The only way you would be screwing anyone at $80 per hour is if you didn't know what you are doing. There is nothing wrong with making money. Become more confident and raise your rate to what your market will support! You will be happier in the long run...You'll be happy you did. :) Obtain the return on your college investment. It wasn't cheap I bet. Charge what you're really worth; just like they told you in school!!! - Cliff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 5:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service Currently it is only myself, so I pocket 100% of it. I'll expand upon my thoughts not to defend my price, but to say where I'm coming from in an attempt to figure out if my current system won't scale or if everyone else is just screwing their customers. That said, I don't see how all of those things really add up to that much money. At $20/hour, that's just under $42k/year for a full time employee. Make that just over $43k after you figure in unemployment, social security, and Medicare. I only pay income tax on what I profit, so that's not part of the equation. Office space and use is pretty cheap. $250 for the whole office, I have options on other office spaces in the building. Most any problem can be quickly diagnosed and repaired, being able to include travel time within the 1 hour minimum. Otherwise, the $15/hour I make for beyond the included 3 hours surely pays for the $5 - $10 in mileage they would use (until I have my own vehicles). Everything is manual at the moment because there just isn't the volume, but I can't see the minute I spend entering into QuickBooks taking that much time or money to bill them, pay the employee, etc. There haven't been many things that I've encountered that I haven't been able to fix quickly. I
Re: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers
Can these be easily used with gloves on? If so, I will probably look at getting some of these and a couple of the crimpers for winter, last winter we had to replace a link in -20 F with a nasty wind we were barely able to get it done in the cold. Ryan On Aug 15, 2007, at 4:52 PM, George Rogato wrote: Funny, I can do them both in about the same time. George Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Time George, time. I can do a connector, perfectly, every time, in 1/4th of the time that it takes the old way. And I NEVER have to redo them. Yeah it sucks paying $.50 for a connector, but my time and my sanity are worth it! And ONE call back because of a flaky connector covers my connector costs for years. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers I know those EZ's are easy, but they are expensive. Why don't you just learn to use the cheap ones and get it right. Why ay more if you don't have to? George Mike Hammett wrote: The RJ-45 male connectors and crimpers I use are a PITA sometimes. What are some nice connectors and crimpers to use? The female ends I use are really easy to put in the right order (and stay there), they don't have to be the exact length, etc. That said, I'm looking at possibly needing to install some shielded cable. I'd imagine they'd need a connector made for shielded cable. Suggestions on this route are appreciated as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WHITE SPACE
According to this reporter at the Wash Post 30 minutes ago, we have it ? http://tinyurl.com/2e6mzo Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service
Just a few pointers about calculating costs and making profit... a lot of these are learned the hard way by most people starting a business... 1. Employees are expensive. Employer taxes add on about 15% to the cost of employing someone, after all is said and done...so, that $42k per year personl actually will cost you almost $50k a year after taxes. Also, employees are demanding folks these days, often wanting all sorts of stupid stuff like health insurance and so forth. Typical rule of thumb for actual cost of employee for most small businesses (that tend to have pretty lousy benefit packages) is 1.25xbase or higher if they go beyond basic health and offer life, 401k, etc..., in which case it can push almost 1.35x or even a little more... 2. Employees take a LOT of time. Remember that most companies (of the vaguely IT type) often have a manager over groups of 4-8 people, which should give you an idea of how much time it takes to manage people. No, I don't just mean payroll and billing (although both takes more time than you realize--especially the former once you start dealing with customers that like getting service more than they like paying). I mean training, hand holding, ongoing support, problem resolution, retraining, retraining, retraining (ie going over stuff again and again until they have procedures doing pat) and general followup on tasks. This takes a lot of time, and is often an expense that gets forgotten. 3. When starting out, structure everything possible so that you can eventually hire people to take these roles over. So, calculate costs so that it is profitable with an employee doing all the work... 4. How are you selling your services? What is your time as a sales person worth? If, as eventually should happen, how much would it cost to hire a sales person. Are you selling for free? Or, does your time spent selling something have a value...it is a cost... 4. Most importantly, profit is NOT the same thing as owner's salary. $60k/year in revenue against $50k/ of employee costs + gas + whatever leaves $10,000 for you (although I think you're underestimating expenses). This is NOT profit.. This is your salary...Profit is above and beyond what the owner makes as a salary (however this is handled). It is important to differentiate between the owner as employee #1 and the owner as the owner/investor in the company. Let's take Bob's WISP for example. Bob runs a WISP, does it all himself, and, at the end of the month, after paying all of his suppliers, vendors, taxes, bribes (joking), and so forth, has $5,000 left over. What's his profit? His profit is $5,000 MINUS his salary, which means that if he paying himself $60,000, Bob's WISP is LOSING money (remember, Bob's WISP has to pay taxes on his salary). So, even though Bob is making $5,000 a month, Bob's WISPs is losing money. Now, all that said, are you screwing the customer at $80/hour? Perhaps...that really depends on how good of service you provide. I'd check to see what _good_ IT shops in your area charge for on-site work. Still, $80/hour tends to be on the low end of what well run IT shops tend to charge and, having been around this particular block a few times, is not unreasonable...even at that price, it takes fairly good management and fairly low labor costs to have any sort of a profit margins... -Clint Ricker Kentnis Technologies On 8/15/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Currently it is only myself, so I pocket 100% of it. I'll expand upon my thoughts not to defend my price, but to say where I'm coming from in an attempt to figure out if my current system won't scale or if everyone else is just screwing their customers. That said, I don't see how all of those things really add up to that much money. At $20/hour, that's just under $42k/year for a full time employee. Make that just over $43k after you figure in unemployment, social security, and Medicare. I only pay income tax on what I profit, so that's not part of the equation. Office space and use is pretty cheap. $250 for the whole office, I have options on other office spaces in the building. Most any problem can be quickly diagnosed and repaired, being able to include travel time within the 1 hour minimum. Otherwise, the $15/hour I make for beyond the included 3 hours surely pays for the $5 - $10 in mileage they would use (until I have my own vehicles). Everything is manual at the moment because there just isn't the volume, but I can't see the minute I spend entering into QuickBooks taking that much time or money to bill them, pay the employee, etc. There haven't been many things that I've encountered that I haven't been able to fix quickly. I know at least one other person that is about as smart as myself and they'd be tickled pink with $10/hour. I greatly prefer people that have gained their knowledge outside of formal education. After going through college, I would have only hired 2 people
Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service
Oh! and remember, in those urban areas the Geek Squad is there to steal your porn... er.. help you with your computer problems.. http://www.geeksquad.com/pricing/ Look at this pricing, figure out how long it takes for you to do something on this list and upsell the client on something they don't need and then look at your rates. Example: http://www.geeksquad.com/services/detail.aspx?id=163 So they come in, turn on WEP or WPA for $59, tell you how many hacker types may have been in your computer, they they upsell you $49 for computer optimization and an additional $49 for a PC Safety Check. Before they leave you are out 160 bucks! (plus hardware!) ryan On Aug 15, 2007, at 5:31 PM, D. Ryan Spott wrote: Totally random notes: My rate is $70 an hour _if_ the customer signs up for 1 year of service with me @ 1/2 hour per machine per month. The customer likes this because they know how much they are paying a month, every month. Basically they get an IT department looking out for them without having to hire an IT department. I do a quasi-rollover-minutes thing with them and always note this is un-billed as I did not use all of the time you paid for last month! Make sure to ALWAYS print what they got for free EVERY month on their invoice. Even if the decision makers do not see that text, the bill payers will and they will tell the decision makers to rehire you as they see you are a bargain. The customer get all the bells an whistles of a clean running network as soon as I walk in the door including fixes they did not know they needed, but will need when they least expect it. This puts me behind in paid hours for the first few months, but makes for less hours expended for the remainder of the contract. You would be amazed how comfortable this makes people, to the point where they get nervous and call me around month 10 of a 12 month to re-up the contract before it expires. My normal rate is $100-125/hour if I am not on contract. Read this for some guidelines: http://www.unixwiz.net/techtips/be- consultant.html. ryan On Aug 15, 2007, at 2:10 PM, Blair Davis wrote: Sounds cheap to me. Our rate is $60 per hour + travel time at $30 per hour, and we are quite rural. Mike Hammett wrote: Does this sound fair to all parties? My normal rate is $40/hour, with $80/hour for emergencies. I charge $150/month to manage a business's network. This includes 3 hours of support. I also will VPN into the network and ensure that operating systems, anti-virus, etc. are updated, which does not consume any hours. Additional support is available at $35/$70 per hour. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
