[WISPA] [Fwd: Qwest's DSL plans will make ISP's obsolete]
I received this email for assistance from Nick Voth, owner of Easy Street today. I'm sure there are many wisps who also offer DSL and may be affected and interested in what the future holds for you. So I'm passing this along for your benefit and I've included Nick Voth's email address for your convenience if you want to contact him directly. Original Message Subject:Qwest's DSL plans will make ISP's obsolete Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 14:43:20 -0600 From: Nick Voth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Nick Voth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello folks, I'm an owner of an Internet Service Provider in Denver, Colorado. If you haven't heard about the new Qwest Fiber to the Node product, you need to pay attention to this message and pass it along to others inside your company. Qwest is currently rolling out a new network that will become their primary way of delivering DSL to end users. It is a pure Ethernet based product and there is no mechanism yet to allow third party ISP's, (other than MSN), to provide service. We are already losing customers to it in Denver and there's no end in sight. It's a stated goal to make this product eventually replace the ATM based systems that we all know and enjoy. If nothing changes to allow other Internet providers to utilize the network, we will all be out of the DSL business or be forced to resell Qwest.net service. Here are the main problems we see as a third party ISP with losing control over the customer's data: - No control over IP space at all - No IP routing control - No Quality of Service for services like VPN or VoIP - No ability to monitor usage for bandwidth abuse, etc. - No ability to monitor traffic for viruses, attacks, etc. - No troubleshooting capabilities for network issues - No troubleshooting of connection troubles (authentication, etc.) - No control over rDNS (Reverse DNS for IP addresses) - No customer choice! (This will definitely drive customers to Comcast) - No margins for ISP's after circuit and Qwest.net fees (in reseller model) - Qwest.net not invisible even in wholesale environment because of IP's In short, this product will be a catastrophe to all third party ISP's because it will eventually put us out of business. I urge you to contact your Qwest representatives as soon as possible and make it clear to them how important this is. Here is a list of the most important players, (as far as I can tell): Larry Canavan (not in a position to help, but a really nice guy) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Molly Clemen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 612-664-4501 Office 612-807-7645 - Cell Matt Rotter [EMAIL PROTECTED] I understand these are the current product managers: Travis Leo 303-308-5284 Frank Simonson 303-308-5040 Also, make sure to participate in any conference call to ISP's that may be coming up. If we don't make our voices heard, Qwest will make their decisions without us. Sincerely, -Nick Voth - Nick Voth President E Street Communications http://www.estreet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-584-0640 x 1001 - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Qwest's DSL plans will make ISP's obsolete]
This has been in the making since the FCC's Triennial Review back in 2003. That report basically said if the carrier rolls out fiber (even if it's just to the node), you're SOL. Welcome to Verizon FiOS and ATT U-Verse. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 2:10 AM Subject: [WISPA] [Fwd: Qwest's DSL plans will make ISP's obsolete] I received this email for assistance from Nick Voth, owner of Easy Street today. I'm sure there are many wisps who also offer DSL and may be affected and interested in what the future holds for you. So I'm passing this along for your benefit and I've included Nick Voth's email address for your convenience if you want to contact him directly. Original Message Subject: Qwest's DSL plans will make ISP's obsolete Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 14:43:20 -0600 From: Nick Voth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Nick Voth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello folks, I'm an owner of an Internet Service Provider in Denver, Colorado. If you haven't heard about the new Qwest Fiber to the Node product, you need to pay attention to this message and pass it along to others inside your company. Qwest is currently rolling out a new network that will become their primary way of delivering DSL to end users. It is a pure Ethernet based product and there is no mechanism yet to allow third party ISP's, (other than MSN), to provide service. We are already losing customers to it in Denver and there's no end in sight. It's a stated goal to make this product eventually replace the ATM based systems that we all know and enjoy. If nothing changes to allow other Internet providers to utilize the network, we will all be out of the DSL business or be forced to resell Qwest.net service. Here are the main problems we see as a third party ISP with losing control over the customer's data: - No control over IP space at all - No IP routing control - No Quality of Service for services like VPN or VoIP - No ability to monitor usage for bandwidth abuse, etc. - No ability to monitor traffic for viruses, attacks, etc. - No troubleshooting capabilities for network issues - No troubleshooting of connection troubles (authentication, etc.) - No control over rDNS (Reverse DNS for IP addresses) - No customer choice! (This will definitely drive customers to Comcast) - No margins for ISP's after circuit and Qwest.net fees (in reseller model) - Qwest.net not invisible even in wholesale environment because of IP's In short, this product will be a catastrophe to all third party ISP's because it will eventually put us out of business. I urge you to contact your Qwest representatives as soon as possible and make it clear to them how important this is. Here is a list of the most important players, (as far as I can tell): Larry Canavan (not in a position to help, but a really nice guy) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Molly Clemen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 612-664-4501 Office 612-807-7645 - Cell Matt Rotter [EMAIL PROTECTED] I understand these are the current product managers: Travis Leo 303-308-5284 Frank Simonson 303-308-5040 Also, make sure to participate in any conference call to ISP's that may be coming up. If we don't make our voices heard, Qwest will make their decisions without us. Sincerely, -Nick Voth - Nick Voth President E Street Communications http://www.estreet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-584-0640 x 1001 - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Femtocells
Polycom's new HD voice uses one of the G.722's. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Pretty sure G.722 is obsolete and has been rolled into G.726 Most GSM systems use a variant of CELP, ACELP I think. G.729 I think. All of the CELP methods suck when compared to G.711/22/26 PCM/ADPCM methods. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells I know. ATT and T-Mobile use GSM (the GSM for wireless is the same as the GSM VoIP codec). I dunno if the CDMA operators translate to anything in the VoIP world or not. I've tested with various codecs and I may use G.729 at some point, but for now I'm limiting myself to G.711 and G.722 once I get some business customers interested in it. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Bryan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells The cell carriers aren't using G711. I haven't seen how much a UMA call takes up, but I'd bet it's less than the 90K of G.711u. UMA basically encapsulates a GSM stream inside of an IPSEC tunnel. EDGE traffic gets up to 100K+ when surfing or downloading files, so I could see a data stream over UMA going up to 150-200K. If you're talking EVDO data transfers via a femtocell, it could get up to a couple megabits (whatever they're touting EVDO's capability as, plus some overhead for security). -- Bryan Mike Hammett wrote: I dunno if I'd use anything less than G.711. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells G.711 require 64kbps plus overhead. Normally about 90 kbps. But there are lossless compression methods that can cut this in about half. - Original Message - From: Marty Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Does anyone know how much BW a call will require? Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Hmm I see better opportunity going to the Cellco directly and offer them the service, so that they do a bundle to the end user... Internet - Femtocell And you make and arrangement with the cellco to deliver the traffic directly to them instead of going to the internet...Saving them some $$ On Internet Bandwidth and also providing a lower latency link to them!!! ... maybe this is the next step beyond voip... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Femtocells femtocells This is a great innovation that can help wisps gain market share. With these femtocells, the cell phone works in the house so the consumer doesn't need to have an extra land line. The customer is probably paying 80.00 or so for their dsl - telephone line. No land line needed for us wisps, the customer's 80.00 telco package is now in play. Maybe they want to trade it in for a faster and probably lesser expensive internet connection. It's a good opportunity for us, or the cable company. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/wireless_show_femtocells;_ylt=ArOpXSwLh8fh4Jp nL.VHQpsjtBAF Verizon Wireless is joining Sprint Nextel Corp. in jumping on the latest craze in the wireless world: little boxes called femtocells that boost cell-phone coverage in subscribers' homes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] Femtocells
VoIP faxing currently sucks. G.711 technically can do it, but if there is ANY network oddities, it won't work. T.38 is supposed to be the savior, but it's been hell getting my providers to work. Their vendors use broken implementations and refuse to fix it. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells John, please explain *can* or what is best for faxing? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 12:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells G.711 *can* support FAXing, otherwise g.729 is very common for voice. John Mike Hammett wrote: I know. ATT and T-Mobile use GSM (the GSM for wireless is the same as the GSM VoIP codec). I dunno if the CDMA operators translate to anything in the VoIP world or not. I've tested with various codecs and I may use G.729 at some point, but for now I'm limiting myself to G.711 and G.722 once I get some business customers interested in it. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Bryan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells The cell carriers aren't using G711. I haven't seen how much a UMA call takes up, but I'd bet it's less than the 90K of G.711u. UMA basically encapsulates a GSM stream inside of an IPSEC tunnel. EDGE traffic gets up to 100K+ when surfing or downloading files, so I could see a data stream over UMA going up to 150-200K. If you're talking EVDO data transfers via a femtocell, it could get up to a couple megabits (whatever they're touting EVDO's capability as, plus some overhead for security). -- Bryan Mike Hammett wrote: I dunno if I'd use anything less than G.711. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells G.711 require 64kbps plus overhead. Normally about 90 kbps. But there are lossless compression methods that can cut this in about half. - Original Message - From: Marty Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Does anyone know how much BW a call will require? Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Hmm I see better opportunity going to the Cellco directly and offer them the service, so that they do a bundle to the end user... Internet - Femtocell And you make and arrangement with the cellco to deliver the traffic directly to them instead of going to the internet...Saving them some $$ On Internet Bandwidth and also providing a lower latency link to them!!! ... maybe this is the next step beyond voip... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Femtocells femtocells This is a great innovation that can help wisps gain market share. With these femtocells, the cell phone works in the house so the consumer doesn't need to have an extra land line. The customer is probably paying 80.00 or so for their dsl - telephone line. No land line needed for us wisps, the customer's 80.00 telco package is now in play. Maybe they want to trade it in for a faster and probably lesser expensive internet connection. It's a good opportunity for us, or the cable company. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/wireless_show_femtocells;_ylt=ArOpXSwLh8fh4Jp nL.VHQpsjtBAF Verizon Wireless is joining Sprint Nextel Corp. in jumping on the latest craze in the wireless world: little boxes called femtocells that boost cell-phone coverage in subscribers' homes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Qwest's DSL plans will make ISP's obsolete]
I do believe that with the HUGE push for ATT with U-Verse is to have multiple revenue streams on one connection, and to break the sharing agreements. Now they can say... It is too expensive to modify our network to allow competition, and Look at all the fancy gadgets we are GIVING the customer Mr. Senator...We are doing good. That keeps the legislation at bay. Once all competition is gone in 5 - 10 years, they can charge what they want... Can anyone say Bell system? Now, with all that said, based on the email below, couldn't they pass 802.1q in q tags to be routed outside to individual resellers? I would think that is easier than using IP through ATM with less overhead. I know it is an optimistic thought that the carriers would share...but it is possible. Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 7:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Qwest's DSL plans will make ISP's obsolete] This has been in the making since the FCC's Triennial Review back in 2003. That report basically said if the carrier rolls out fiber (even if it's just to the node), you're SOL. Welcome to Verizon FiOS and ATT U-Verse. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 2:10 AM Subject: [WISPA] [Fwd: Qwest's DSL plans will make ISP's obsolete] I received this email for assistance from Nick Voth, owner of Easy Street today. I'm sure there are many wisps who also offer DSL and may be affected and interested in what the future holds for you. So I'm passing this along for your benefit and I've included Nick Voth's email address for your convenience if you want to contact him directly. Original Message Subject: Qwest's DSL plans will make ISP's obsolete Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 14:43:20 -0600 From: Nick Voth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Nick Voth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello folks, I'm an owner of an Internet Service Provider in Denver, Colorado. If you haven't heard about the new Qwest Fiber to the Node product, you need to pay attention to this message and pass it along to others inside your company. Qwest is currently rolling out a new network that will become their primary way of delivering DSL to end users. It is a pure Ethernet based product and there is no mechanism yet to allow third party ISP's, (other than MSN), to provide service. We are already losing customers to it in Denver and there's no end in sight. It's a stated goal to make this product eventually replace the ATM based systems that we all know and enjoy. If nothing changes to allow other Internet providers to utilize the network, we will all be out of the DSL business or be forced to resell Qwest.net service. Here are the main problems we see as a third party ISP with losing control over the customer's data: - No control over IP space at all - No IP routing control - No Quality of Service for services like VPN or VoIP - No ability to monitor usage for bandwidth abuse, etc. - No ability to monitor traffic for viruses, attacks, etc. - No troubleshooting capabilities for network issues - No troubleshooting of connection troubles (authentication, etc.) - No control over rDNS (Reverse DNS for IP addresses) - No customer choice! (This will definitely drive customers to Comcast) - No margins for ISP's after circuit and Qwest.net fees (in reseller model) - Qwest.net not invisible even in wholesale environment because of IP's In short, this product will be a catastrophe to all third party ISP's because it will eventually put us out of business. I urge you to contact your Qwest representatives as soon as possible and make it clear to them how important this is. Here is a list of the most important players, (as far as I can tell): Larry Canavan (not in a position to help, but a really nice guy) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Molly Clemen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 612-664-4501 - Office 612-807-7645 - Cell Matt Rotter [EMAIL PROTECTED] I understand these are the current product managers: Travis Leo 303-308-5284 Frank Simonson 303-308-5040 Also, make sure to participate in any conference call to ISP's that may be coming up. If we don't make our voices heard, Qwest will make their decisions without us. Sincerely, -Nick Voth - Nick Voth President E Street Communications http://www.estreet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-584-0640 x 1001 - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Qwest's DSL plans will make ISP's obsolete]
Hi, This is really bad news. However, I have been telling my partners this was going to happen for almost 4 years now. Qwest used us little ISP's to build up their network, and then they will just take it all away... and really there is nothing we can do. (My Qwest rep urged us to sign a 5 year deal on the Megahost service about a year ago because he had heard there were things going on and that the service may not be available in the next few years) I'm not sure how contacting Qwest people is going to do anything... my guess would be they will just laugh when they hang up the phone. They are about to own 100% of all the DSL customers that we have all built for them. :( Travis Microserv George Rogato wrote: I received this email for assistance from Nick Voth, owner of Easy Street today. I'm sure there are many wisps who also offer DSL and may be affected and interested in what the future holds for you. So I'm passing this along for your benefit and I've included Nick Voth's email address for your convenience if you want to contact him directly. Original Message Subject: Qwest's DSL plans will make ISP's obsolete Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 14:43:20 -0600 From: Nick Voth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Nick Voth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello folks, I'm an owner of an Internet Service Provider in Denver, Colorado. If you haven't heard about the new Qwest Fiber to the Node product, you need to pay attention to this message and pass it along to others inside your company. Qwest is currently rolling out a new network that will become their primary way of delivering DSL to end users. It is a pure Ethernet based product and there is no mechanism yet to allow third party ISP's, (other than MSN), to provide service. We are already losing customers to it in Denver and there's no end in sight. It's a stated goal to make this product eventually replace the ATM based systems that we all know and enjoy. If nothing changes to allow other Internet providers to utilize the network, we will all be out of the DSL business or be forced to resell Qwest.net service. Here are the main problems we see as a third party ISP with losing control over the customer's data: - No control over IP space at all - No IP routing control - No Quality of Service for services like VPN or VoIP - No ability to monitor usage for bandwidth abuse, etc. - No ability to monitor traffic for viruses, attacks, etc. - No troubleshooting capabilities for network issues - No troubleshooting of connection troubles (authentication, etc.) - No control over rDNS (Reverse DNS for IP addresses) - No customer choice! (This will definitely drive customers to Comcast) - No margins for ISP's after circuit and Qwest.net fees (in reseller model) - Qwest.net not invisible even in wholesale environment because of IP's In short, this product will be a catastrophe to all third party ISP's because it will eventually put us out of business. I urge you to contact your Qwest representatives as soon as possible and make it clear to them how important this is. Here is a list of the most important players, (as far as I can tell): Larry Canavan (not in a position to help, but a really nice guy) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Molly Clemen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 612-664-4501 Office 612-807-7645 - Cell Matt Rotter [EMAIL PROTECTED] I understand these are the current product managers: Travis Leo 303-308-5284 Frank Simonson 303-308-5040 Also, make sure to participate in any conference call to ISP's that may be coming up. If we don't make our voices heard, Qwest will make their decisions without us. Sincerely, -Nick Voth - Nick Voth President E Street Communications http://www.estreet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-584-0640 x 1001 - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Qwest's DSL plans will make ISP's obsolete]
I urge you to contact your Qwest representatives as soon as possible and make it clear to them how important this is. Here is a list of the most important players, (as far as I can tell): Would it not be better to contact your political reps? Qwest may just tell them that the change benefits consumers even though it destroys small business ISP's. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Femtocells
If you look up the spec for G.726 you will find it supercedes the 722. That said, the 722 is the only ADPCM g code I would use. 726 has other things that I would not use. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:18 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Polycom's new HD voice uses one of the G.722's. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Pretty sure G.722 is obsolete and has been rolled into G.726 Most GSM systems use a variant of CELP, ACELP I think. G.729 I think. All of the CELP methods suck when compared to G.711/22/26 PCM/ADPCM methods. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells I know. ATT and T-Mobile use GSM (the GSM for wireless is the same as the GSM VoIP codec). I dunno if the CDMA operators translate to anything in the VoIP world or not. I've tested with various codecs and I may use G.729 at some point, but for now I'm limiting myself to G.711 and G.722 once I get some business customers interested in it. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Bryan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells The cell carriers aren't using G711. I haven't seen how much a UMA call takes up, but I'd bet it's less than the 90K of G.711u. UMA basically encapsulates a GSM stream inside of an IPSEC tunnel. EDGE traffic gets up to 100K+ when surfing or downloading files, so I could see a data stream over UMA going up to 150-200K. If you're talking EVDO data transfers via a femtocell, it could get up to a couple megabits (whatever they're touting EVDO's capability as, plus some overhead for security). -- Bryan Mike Hammett wrote: I dunno if I'd use anything less than G.711. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells G.711 require 64kbps plus overhead. Normally about 90 kbps. But there are lossless compression methods that can cut this in about half. - Original Message - From: Marty Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Does anyone know how much BW a call will require? Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Hmm I see better opportunity going to the Cellco directly and offer them the service, so that they do a bundle to the end user... Internet - Femtocell And you make and arrangement with the cellco to deliver the traffic directly to them instead of going to the internet...Saving them some $$ On Internet Bandwidth and also providing a lower latency link to them!!! ... maybe this is the next step beyond voip... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Femtocells femtocells This is a great innovation that can help wisps gain market share. With these femtocells, the cell phone works in the house so the consumer doesn't need to have an extra land line. The customer is probably paying 80.00 or so for their dsl - telephone line. No land line needed for us wisps, the customer's 80.00 telco package is now in play. Maybe they want to trade it in for a faster and probably lesser expensive internet connection. It's a good opportunity for us, or the cable company. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/wireless_show_femtocells;_ylt=ArOpXSwLh8fh4Jp nL.VHQpsjtBAF Verizon Wireless is joining Sprint Nextel Corp. in jumping on the latest craze in the wireless world: little boxes called femtocells that boost cell-phone coverage in subscribers' homes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Qwest's DSL plans will make ISP's obsolete]
Last summer (or was it two summers ago) the FCC put the nail in the coffin of non-incumbent non-facilities based DSL. In our area Qwest kicked everyone off their loops immediately thereafter. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Qwest's DSL plans will make ISP's obsolete] Hi, This is really bad news. However, I have been telling my partners this was going to happen for almost 4 years now. Qwest used us little ISP's to build up their network, and then they will just take it all away... and really there is nothing we can do. (My Qwest rep urged us to sign a 5 year deal on the Megahost service about a year ago because he had heard there were things going on and that the service may not be available in the next few years) I'm not sure how contacting Qwest people is going to do anything... my guess would be they will just laugh when they hang up the phone. They are about to own 100% of all the DSL customers that we have all built for them. :( Travis Microserv George Rogato wrote: I received this email for assistance from Nick Voth, owner of Easy Street today. I'm sure there are many wisps who also offer DSL and may be affected and interested in what the future holds for you. So I'm passing this along for your benefit and I've included Nick Voth's email address for your convenience if you want to contact him directly. Original Message Subject: Qwest's DSL plans will make ISP's obsolete Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 14:43:20 -0600 From: Nick Voth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Nick Voth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello folks, I'm an owner of an Internet Service Provider in Denver, Colorado. If you haven't heard about the new Qwest Fiber to the Node product, you need to pay attention to this message and pass it along to others inside your company. Qwest is currently rolling out a new network that will become their primary way of delivering DSL to end users. It is a pure Ethernet based product and there is no mechanism yet to allow third party ISP's, (other than MSN), to provide service. We are already losing customers to it in Denver and there's no end in sight. It's a stated goal to make this product eventually replace the ATM based systems that we all know and enjoy. If nothing changes to allow other Internet providers to utilize the network, we will all be out of the DSL business or be forced to resell Qwest.net service. Here are the main problems we see as a third party ISP with losing control over the customer's data: - No control over IP space at all - No IP routing control - No Quality of Service for services like VPN or VoIP - No ability to monitor usage for bandwidth abuse, etc. - No ability to monitor traffic for viruses, attacks, etc. - No troubleshooting capabilities for network issues - No troubleshooting of connection troubles (authentication, etc.) - No control over rDNS (Reverse DNS for IP addresses) - No customer choice! (This will definitely drive customers to Comcast) - No margins for ISP's after circuit and Qwest.net fees (in reseller model) - Qwest.net not invisible even in wholesale environment because of IP's In short, this product will be a catastrophe to all third party ISP's because it will eventually put us out of business. I urge you to contact your Qwest representatives as soon as possible and make it clear to them how important this is. Here is a list of the most important players, (as far as I can tell): Larry Canavan (not in a position to help, but a really nice guy) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Molly Clemen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 612-664-4501 Office 612-807-7645 - Cell Matt Rotter [EMAIL PROTECTED] I understand these are the current product managers: Travis Leo 303-308-5284 Frank Simonson 303-308-5040 Also, make sure to participate in any conference call to ISP's that may be coming up. If we don't make our voices heard, Qwest will make their decisions without us. Sincerely, -Nick Voth - Nick Voth President E Street Communications http://www.estreet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-584-0640 x 1001 - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] uptime
D. Ryan Spott wrote: Mac SE/30 running netBSD 3+ years of service echoing uptime: :MM:DD:MM:SS every few seconds. :D I am such a geek! I feel so outclassed. The best I've got is one of my older Linux do-it-alls: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ uptime 09:13:27 up 413 days, 8:31, 2 users, load average: 0.03, 0.03, 0.00 In my defense, 413 days ago we moved across town to a new office, and I couldn't figure out how to keep the servers powered while they were in the back of the boss' Jeep. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: [WISPA Promotion] [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: [WISPA Members] THE GENESIS OF UNLICENSED WIRELESS POLICY - An Information Economy Project Conference]]]
Anything specific interesting learned? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Martha Huizenga [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 5:00 PM Subject: [WISPA] [Fwd: [WISPA Promotion] [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: [WISPA Members] THE GENESIS OF UNLICENSED WIRELESS POLICY - An Information Economy Project Conference]]] Sorry sent this to the promotions committeeoops! Just wanted everyone to know that Matt and I went to this conference on Friday that was put out by Jack Unger a couple of weeks ago. It was very interesting, a bit more academic than the usual conference, but well worth it. We met Tim Pozar from the Bay Area Wireless User Group and heard a host of others speak on unlicensed wireless. Their topics were actually papers they had each written. You can see them here: http://www.iep.gmu.edu/ Happy reading! Thanks to Jack Unger for sending. Martha Original Message Subject: [WISPA Members] THE GENESIS OF UNLICENSED WIRELESS POLICY - An Information Economy Project Conference Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:21:15 -0700 From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unlicensed wireless has become an industry, with hundreds of millions of radios in use today. These devices range from short-range wireless computer keyboards to microwave links with ranges of several miles. Among the most well known are wireless local area networks (WLANs) often referred to as Wi-Fi or 802.11. This conference will review the development of unlicensed wireless policy with the goal of assisting How Wi-Fi Got Its Regulatory Goovescholars in understanding how the current unlicensed policies came into being. It looks at the interplay between regulation and innovation and examines policy initiatives from industry and from inside the government. It also reviews technological and market responses to changes in regulation. The speakers include several individuals who were deeply involved with the development of unlicensed policy and of standards and devices that operated under that policy. This conference should prove informative to people interested in either spectrum policy generally or unlicensed wireless in particular. It may also interest students of regulation, innovation, or, more widely, law and economics http://www.iep.gmu.edu/UnlicensedWireless.php -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the Cisco Press Book - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Training-Design-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ WISPA Membership Mailing List --- -- http://www.dcaccess.net ___ Want to help the Committee? Help edit the Wiki at http://wikihost.org/wikis/wispa6. You need to register at http://wikihost.org to allow you to make edits. Promotion mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/promotion WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1 - Release Date: 3/26/2008 12:00 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Nitronics WiMAX?
Does anyone have any information about a WiMAX system called Nitronics? Steve Hansen Bellingham, WA WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: [WISPA Promotion] [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: [WISPA Members] THE GENESIS OF UNLICENSED WIRELESS POLICY - An Information Economy Project Conference]]]
The focus was on the history and I wasn't aware of some of the history that was behind wireless. It wasn't truly technical, however, since I am on the non-technical end of things here, I learned a little of the technical. I also found the Bay Area project to be quite interesting in what they have done and how they got there. Martha Tom DeReggi wrote: Anything specific interesting learned? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Martha Huizenga [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 5:00 PM Subject: [WISPA] [Fwd: [WISPA Promotion] [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: [WISPA Members] THE GENESIS OF UNLICENSED WIRELESS POLICY - An Information Economy Project Conference]]] Sorry sent this to the promotions committeeoops! Just wanted everyone to know that Matt and I went to this conference on Friday that was put out by Jack Unger a couple of weeks ago. It was very interesting, a bit more academic than the usual conference, but well worth it. We met Tim Pozar from the Bay Area Wireless User Group and heard a host of others speak on unlicensed wireless. Their topics were actually papers they had each written. You can see them here: http://www.iep.gmu.edu/ Happy reading! Thanks to Jack Unger for sending. Martha Original Message Subject: [WISPA Members] THE GENESIS OF UNLICENSED WIRELESS POLICY - An Information Economy Project Conference Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:21:15 -0700 From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unlicensed wireless has become an industry, with hundreds of millions of radios in use today. These devices range from short-range wireless computer keyboards to microwave links with ranges of several miles. Among the most well known are wireless local area networks (WLANs) often referred to as Wi-Fi or 802.11. This conference will review the development of unlicensed wireless policy with the goal of assisting How Wi-Fi Got Its Regulatory Goovescholars in understanding how the current unlicensed policies came into being. It looks at the interplay between regulation and innovation and examines policy initiatives from industry and from inside the government. It also reviews technological and market responses to changes in regulation. The speakers include several individuals who were deeply involved with the development of unlicensed policy and of standards and devices that operated under that policy. This conference should prove informative to people interested in either spectrum policy generally or unlicensed wireless in particular. It may also interest students of regulation, innovation, or, more widely, law and economics http://www.iep.gmu.edu/UnlicensedWireless.php -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the Cisco Press Book - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Training-Design-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ WISPA Membership Mailing List --- -- http://www.dcaccess.net ___ Want to help the Committee? Help edit the Wiki at http://wikihost.org/wikis/wispa6. You need to register at http://wikihost.org to allow you to make edits. Promotion mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/promotion WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1 - Release Date: 3/26/2008 12:00 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] uptime
That is amazing uptime, and a good testimonial for Cisco. However, a customer of ours just lost two of their Cisco 3550s to failures, last month. Not cheap to replace. So I started thinking, In 7 years I only had 2 SMC that needed replacing, and one was due to water damage and the other due to improper surge portection and grounding on both AC and Ports. And then I started thinking, I still have all the same Linux routers in place since they first were installed in 2001. The linux Machines did have some failures over the years, but I was able to fix them fast and cheap. The Cisco insodent above, reminded me that grass is not always greener on the other side, and every brand breaks now and then, and its important to keep hot spares available for when they do fail, even when its Cisco. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 8:12 PM Subject: [WISPA] uptime Hi, I just had to get into a Cisco 3512XL switch that we have installed in a commercial office building. While there, I happened to notice: Taylors uptime is 4 years, 13 weeks, 2 days, 2 hours, 36 minutes That's pretty amazing considering it's only on a BackUPS 350 (about 20 minutes of battery) and moves about 30Mbps daily. :) Any other uptime stats? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1 - Release Date: 3/26/2008 12:00 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Qwest's DSL plans will make ISP's obsolete]
Yeah, thats the problem with todays politics. Its all about creating instant gratification for consumers, even if they secretly sell out the future. The most notorable case, was Microsfot Anti-trust where, they openly violated the law, and were forgiving, because they give Kids and Schools free computers. The competing businesses that were harmed, were left out to sea. We saw it happen with ILECs... Hey give us favorable terms to wipe out our competition, and we'll bring Fiber speeds to many homes. And I see it happening again with Comcast, they admittedly violate Network Neutrality, but will soon be forgiven, because they now advertise/promise 50mbps to the home. The concept of, get off our back, and we'll make sure consumers benefit. Again, not likely will there be sympathy for the independant provider. And now the West, will experience it with Qwest. There is only one answer to this problem Have one arm Fight them every way it can, and have the other arm, fighting for a peice of the new action. And then scrutinize their every weakness daily, and offer the solution to that weakness. And milk this industry for as long as its viable to be a part of it. And take hold of the satisfaction that we were a part of building it. And then we'll adapt our role in the market, because its what ISPs do. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Dual Polarity 900 MHz Antennas
Hi. Anyone have any thoughts on using a dual polarity antenna (Til-Tek) as opposed to the Canopy standard (6) Integrated AP setup?? Thanks, Brad H (Jenco Wireless, LLC) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] CMS Systems
I know this is supposed to be a wireless list so I am sorry for this off-topic post. I know some of you run web design / hosting services along with your WISP. Can some of you share which CMS system you prefer and why? Also does anyone know if there is one CMS used by most larger enterprises? Price is a small consideration but I am more interested to know if there is a best of breed solution out there that most consider to be the one to use. I appreciate you all allowing me to step out of the normal wireless realm just this once. Thank you, John Scrivner WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Qwest's DSL plans will make ISP's obsolete]
In follow up with a converstaion with Nick... The consensus was... There are two goals, that need most heavy encouragement... 1) To enable partners to keep control of their own IP space, regardless of the underlying technology. 2) That partners are included in Future Qwest plans, with fair compensation. Its possible Qwest's goal is to compete with Cable Cos, not necessarilly to wipe our ISP partners.. And CEO publically had stated, partners are key. The reality is... If ISPs are silent, they will be left behind and not adequately considered. Nick mentioned Partners are responsible for 10% of Qwest business, and ISPs need to remind Qwest, partners are valuable, and responsible for keeping that 10%. Partners are a big asset to compete against Cable Cos. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FYI - New how-to-get-a-3650-license whitepaper available -- link
I wrote a step-by-step guide showing the actual application process. 100% vendor neutral. You can download it from our Web site via the home page. Make sure to select the U.S. Web version from the drop down at the top right. http://www.alvarion.com/ Cheers, Patrick This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CMS Systems
Are you trying to get something to sell to web development customers, or for your internal use? What is your web programming skillbase? Mostly PHP? Any python? We've used Plone with quite a bit of success, but there is not much talent available who can run the backend very well. It's pretty resource intensive, but does most things right, and seems to be very good quality code. We've played with Mambo and it's later iterations / names. It's easier, lighter, but not on par with Plone for quality. Randy John Scrivner wrote: I know this is supposed to be a wireless list so I am sorry for this off-topic post. I know some of you run web design / hosting services along with your WISP. Can some of you share which CMS system you prefer and why? Also does anyone know if there is one CMS used by most larger enterprises? Price is a small consideration but I am more interested to know if there is a best of breed solution out there that most consider to be the one to use. I appreciate you all allowing me to step out of the normal wireless realm just this once. Thank you, John Scrivner WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc office: 435-773-6071 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] uptime
Mikrotik 2.9 router - uptime 372 days (1.8ghz rackmount x86 based computer), and one of the wireless cards in it, registration time, 172 days (100 foot PTP link). I think the best uptime I've seen is this one Novell 3.x server I took out of service like 10 years ago(failed SCSI drive), it had something like 1500 days uptime... (I think it was a Pentium 133)... if only Novell was as reliable as it once was... On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 09:14:55 -0500, David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: D. Ryan Spott wrote: Mac SE/30 running netBSD 3+ years of service echoing uptime: :MM:DD:MM:SS every few seconds. :D I am such a geek! I feel so outclassed. The best I've got is one of my older Linux do-it-alls: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ uptime 09:13:27 up 413 days, 8:31, 2 users, load average: 0.03, 0.03, 0.00 In my defense, 413 days ago we moved across town to a new office, and I couldn't figure out how to keep the servers powered while they were in the back of the boss' Jeep. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FYI - New how-to-get-a-3650-license whitepaper available -- link
Great work Patrick! When I stopped by the FCC booth at CTIA to ask about 3650 licensing, I was met with blank stares. I asked if they had any plans on distributing information about it and I swear some of the guys had no idea it was even available. -d WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Re: FYI - New how-to-get-a-3650-license whitepaper available -- link
Living in the fringe of an exclusion zone, I'd like to see more information on negotiating or contacting the existing license holders... On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:57:10 -0700, Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote a step-by-step guide showing the actual application process. 100% vendor neutral. You can download it from our Web site via the home page. Make sure to select the U.S. Web version from the drop down at the top right. http://www.alvarion.com/ Cheers, Patrick This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FYI - New how-to-get-a-3650-license whitepaper available -- link
That is really sad that the FCC reps had no idea. Shame on them. --- Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great work Patrick! When I stopped by the FCC booth at CTIA to ask about 3650 licensing, I was met with blank stares. I asked if they had any plans on distributing information about it and I swear some of the guys had no idea it was even available. -d WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FYI - New how-to-get-a-3650-license whitepaper available -- link
Partrick, Thanks a lot, this is more information regarding the 3.65 ghz band than I've ever gotten from the FCC. I wonder why that is? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Living in the fringe of an exclusion zone, I'd like to see more information on negotiating or contacting the existing license holders... On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:57:10 -0700, Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote a step-by-step guide showing the actual application process. 100% vendor neutral. You can download it from our Web site via the home page. Make sure to select the U.S. Web version from the drop down at the top right. http://www.alvarion.com/ Cheers, Patrick This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CMS Systems
Randy Cosby wrote: Are you trying to get something to sell to web development customers, or for your internal use? What is your web programming skillbase? Mostly PHP? Any python? Jumping in here because I'll be the one who has to get his hands dirty with it... More resale than internal use, though a really well-done package may be used to rebuild our Web site as well. I'm the closest we have to a developer, and I sorta know my way around databases and PHP/Perl/Python, but not too extensively (I'm more of a network guy, honestly). In the past I've worked with WordPress, PHP-Nuke/PostNuke, and Joomla!, and for the projects we have in mind any of those would work reasonably well. Really, we're interested in voices from those who have done this sort of thing more than we have, and for other suggestions we don't know about. (All of the above are free/open-source, though we're not necessarly averse to a commercial product, if it's done well and is worth the money.) David Smith MVN.net smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Qwest's DSL plans will make ISP's obsolete]
I can almost guarantee you that the contract had a regulatory clause killing it, and all it would have done was give the REP a 5 year commission. Typical Qwest tactic. Been there, done that. Frank - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Qwest's DSL plans will make ISP's obsolete] Hi, This is really bad news. However, I have been telling my partners thiswas going to happen for almost 4 years now. Qwest used us little ISP'sto build up their network, and then they will just take it all away...and really there is nothing we can do. (My Qwest rep urged us to sign a 5 year deal on the Megahost serviceabout a year ago because he had heard there were things going on andthat the service may not be available in the next few years) I'm not sure how contacting Qwest people is going to do anything... myguess would be they will just laugh when they hang up the phone. Theyare about to own 100% of all the DSL customers that we have all builtfor them. :( TravisMicroserv George Rogato wrote: I received this email for assistance from Nick Voth, owner of Easy Street today. I'm sure there are many wisps who also offer DSL and may be affected and interested in what the future holds for you. So I'm passing this along for your benefit and I've included Nick Voth's email address for your convenience if you want to contact him directly. Original Message Subject: Qwest's DSL plans will make ISP's obsolete Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 14:43:20 -0600 From: Nick Voth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Nick Voth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello folks, I'm an owner of an Internet Service Provider in Denver, Colorado. If you haven't heard about the new Qwest Fiber to the Node product, you need to pay attention to this message and pass it along to others inside your company. Qwest is currently rolling out a new network that will become their primary way of delivering DSL to end users. It is a pure Ethernet based product and there is no mechanism yet to allow third party ISP's, (other than MSN), to provide service. We are already losing customers to it in Denver and there's no end in sight. It's a stated goal to make this product eventually replace the ATM based systems that we all know and enjoy. If nothing changes to allow other Internet providers to utilize the network, we will all be out of the DSL business or be forced to resell Qwest.net service. Here are the main problems we see as a third party ISP with losing control over the customer's data: - No control over IP space at all - No IP routing control - No Quality of Service for services like VPN or VoIP - No ability to monitor usage for bandwidth abuse, etc. - No ability to monitor traffic for viruses, attacks, etc. - No troubleshooting capabilities for network issues - No troubleshooting of connection troubles (authentication, etc.) - No control over rDNS (Reverse DNS for IP addresses) - No customer choice! (This will definitely drive customers to Comcast) - No margins for ISP's after circuit and Qwest.net fees (in reseller model) - Qwest.net not invisible even in wholesale environment because of IP's In short, this product will be a catastrophe to all third party ISP's because it will eventually put us out of business. I urge you to contact your Qwest representatives as soon as possible and make it clear to them how important this is. Here is a list of the most important players, (as far as I can tell): Larry Canavan (not in a position to help, but a really nice guy) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Molly Clemen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 612-664-4501 Office 612-807-7645 - Cell Matt Rotter [EMAIL PROTECTED] I understand these are the current product managers: Travis Leo 303-308-5284 Frank Simonson 303-308-5040 Also, make sure to participate in any conference call to ISP's that may be coming up. If we don't make our voices heard, Qwest will make their decisions without us. Sincerely, -Nick Voth - Nick Voth President E Street Communications http://www.estreet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-584-0640 x 1001 - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] FYI - New how-to-get-a-3650-license whitepaperavailable -- link
That's maybe because you're on the Alvarion blacklist! Ducking!!! jejee Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Booher Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 4:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FYI - New how-to-get-a-3650-license whitepaperavailable -- link SEND me patrick, I tried getting it off your webpage... its timing out for some reason. tks, jeff On Apr 8, 2008, at 9:57 AM, Patrick Leary wrote: I wrote a step-by-step guide showing the actual application process. 100% vendor neutral. You can download it from our Web site via the home page. Make sure to select the U.S. Web version from the drop down at the top right. http://www.alvarion.com/ Cheers, Patrick This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FYI - New how-to-get-a-3650-license whitepaperavailable -- link
lol...maybe me too! Website didn't timeout on me, but I still haven't seen anything yet either. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 3:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FYI - New how-to-get-a-3650-license whitepaperavailable -- link That's maybe because you're on the Alvarion blacklist! Ducking!!! jejee Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Booher Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 4:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FYI - New how-to-get-a-3650-license whitepaperavailable -- link SEND me patrick, I tried getting it off your webpage... its timing out for some reason. tks, jeff On Apr 8, 2008, at 9:57 AM, Patrick Leary wrote: I wrote a step-by-step guide showing the actual application process. 100% vendor neutral. You can download it from our Web site via the home page. Make sure to select the U.S. Web version from the drop down at the top right. http://www.alvarion.com/ Cheers, Patrick This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FYI - New how-to-get-a-3650-license whitepaperavailable -- link
hahahahha funny On Apr 8, 2008, at 1:41 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: That's maybe because you're on the Alvarion blacklist! Ducking!!! jejee Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Booher Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 4:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FYI - New how-to-get-a-3650-license whitepaperavailable -- link SEND me patrick, I tried getting it off your webpage... its timing out for some reason. tks, jeff On Apr 8, 2008, at 9:57 AM, Patrick Leary wrote: I wrote a step-by-step guide showing the actual application process. 100% vendor neutral. You can download it from our Web site via the home page. Make sure to select the U.S. Web version from the drop down at the top right. http://www.alvarion.com/ Cheers, Patrick This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FYI - New how-to-get-a-3650-licensewhitepaperavailable -- link
I just tested it and it seemed to work fine. It sends you a mail with a download link. It is a large file, about 14 megs. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 1:50 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FYI - New how-to-get-a-3650-licensewhitepaperavailable -- link lol...maybe me too! Website didn't timeout on me, but I still haven't seen anything yet either. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 3:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FYI - New how-to-get-a-3650-license whitepaperavailable -- link That's maybe because you're on the Alvarion blacklist! Ducking!!! jejee Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Booher Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 4:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FYI - New how-to-get-a-3650-license whitepaperavailable -- link SEND me patrick, I tried getting it off your webpage... its timing out for some reason. tks, jeff On Apr 8, 2008, at 9:57 AM, Patrick Leary wrote: I wrote a step-by-step guide showing the actual application process. 100% vendor neutral. You can download it from our Web site via the home page. Make sure to select the U.S. Web version from the drop down at the top right. http://www.alvarion.com/ Cheers, Patrick This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FYI - New how-to-get-a-3650-license whitepaper available -- link
SEND me patrick, I tried getting it off your webpage... its timing out for some reason. tks, jeff On Apr 8, 2008, at 9:57 AM, Patrick Leary wrote: I wrote a step-by-step guide showing the actual application process. 100% vendor neutral. You can download it from our Web site via the home page. Make sure to select the U.S. Web version from the drop down at the top right. http://www.alvarion.com/ Cheers, Patrick This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FYI - New how-to-get-a-3650-license whitepaper available -- link
I'm currently working on that myself. I have had numerous discussions with the WTB and IB over the last few months regarding the grandfathered FSS' Leon * Joe Miller wrote, On 4/8/2008 3:27 PM: Partrick, Thanks a lot, this is more information regarding the 3.65 ghz band than I've ever gotten from the FCC. I wonder why that is? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Living in the fringe of an exclusion zone, I'd like to see more information on negotiating or contacting the existing license holders... On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:57:10 -0700, Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote a step-by-step guide showing the actual application process. 100% vendor neutral. You can download it from our Web site via the home page. Make sure to select the U.S. Web version from the drop down at the top right. http://www.alvarion.com/ Cheers, Patrick This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FYI - New how-to-get-a-3650-license whitepaperavailable -- link
Lets not be to hard on the FCC, remember they allocated WISPs the spectrum. Unforunteately, not to DC Metro area :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Joe Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FYI - New how-to-get-a-3650-license whitepaperavailable -- link Partrick, Thanks a lot, this is more information regarding the 3.65 ghz band than I've ever gotten from the FCC. I wonder why that is? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Living in the fringe of an exclusion zone, I'd like to see more information on negotiating or contacting the existing license holders... On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:57:10 -0700, Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote a step-by-step guide showing the actual application process. 100% vendor neutral. You can download it from our Web site via the home page. Make sure to select the U.S. Web version from the drop down at the top right. http://www.alvarion.com/ Cheers, Patrick This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1 - Release Date: 3/26/2008 12:00 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Polarity 900 MHz Antennas
The question is how much Antenna isolation that you need. MOst stock antennas do not have enough for colocating adjacent channels on the same polarity. Tilteks allow for colocating adjacent secotrs on adjacent channels on same polarity, because the excellent F/B ratios. I do not know Canopy's stock antenna patterns to respond adequately on benefit to Canopy users. With Trango it was the difference between 13db and 22db. I have not found an antenna that outperformed the Tiltek in 900Mhz yet. There are other brands such as Teletronics and MTI. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jenco Wireless [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 10:23 AM Subject: [WISPA] Dual Polarity 900 MHz Antennas Hi. Anyone have any thoughts on using a dual polarity antenna (Til-Tek) as opposed to the Canopy standard (6) Integrated AP setup?? Thanks, Brad H (Jenco Wireless, LLC) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1 - Release Date: 3/26/2008 12:00 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
