[WISPA] xbox 360 issues
Hi All, I've had calls from a number of xbox 360 customers that are having trouble with game play etc. Very long lags, poor pings etc. These calls are coming from customers off of multiple towers and even in different towns. No calls coming from Wii or playstation. Just xbox 360. Anyone else seeing these issues in the last few months? thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE
Hey Guys I got a .7 mile 23 ghz Trango Giga Link that Im provisioning Antennas are peaked at -26, using 50 mhz channles 256 qam. Tx power is at 15 db MSE in one end is arround -11, the other end is around -22 How can I improve the MSE? Lowering Tx power just worsens it Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE
-26 RSSI is too hot. Check the manual or call Trango to make sure you haven't damaged the RX side of the radios. Targetrssi and cableloss settings are very important to GigaLINK radios. What type of cable do you have running between the IDU ODU? Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE Hey Guys I got a .7 mile 23 ghz Trango Giga Link that Im provisioning Antennas are peaked at -26, using 50 mhz channles 256 qam. Tx power is at 15 db MSE in one end is arround -11, the other end is around -22 How can I improve the MSE? Lowering Tx power just worsens it Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE
I would continue to turn the power down (probably to 0) and see if that helps. We had a -35 on our link (at +20db power) and had to turn it down to +13db to get a -42 and then the MSE went from -20ish to -33ish. I would do it on the local side first, to see what happens in case the link completely drops out. Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: Hey Guys I got a .7 mile 23 ghz Trango Giga Link that Im provisioning Antennas are peaked at -26, using 50 mhz channles 256 qam. Tx power is at 15 db MSE in one end is arround -11, the other end is around -22 How can I improve the MSE? Lowering Tx power just worsens it Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
The games on those consoles are hosted (network wise) by other players. The server for a 16 player game could very well be a person in Nowhere, ID with a 1/384 DSL connection. On 12/2/08, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I've had calls from a number of xbox 360 customers that are having trouble with game play etc. Very long lags, poor pings etc. These calls are coming from customers off of multiple towers and even in different towns. No calls coming from Wii or playstation. Just xbox 360. Anyone else seeing these issues in the last few months? thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Sent from my mobile device Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE
Thanks, ull lower it more Belden 9913 between the radios Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:14 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE -26 RSSI is too hot. Check the manual or call Trango to make sure you haven't damaged the RX side of the radios. Targetrssi and cableloss settings are very important to GigaLINK radios. What type of cable do you have running between the IDU ODU? Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE Hey Guys I got a .7 mile 23 ghz Trango Giga Link that Im provisioning Antennas are peaked at -26, using 50 mhz channles 256 qam. Tx power is at 15 db MSE in one end is arround -11, the other end is around -22 How can I improve the MSE? Lowering Tx power just worsens it Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] motorola bpl
Anyone have any success using Motorola BPL system? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
Hey now Nowhere, ID is really close to me Josh Luthman wrote: The games on those consoles are hosted (network wise) by other players. The server for a 16 player game could very well be a person in Nowhere, ID with a 1/384 DSL connection. On 12/2/08, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I've had calls from a number of xbox 360 customers that are having trouble with game play etc. Very long lags, poor pings etc. These calls are coming from customers off of multiple towers and even in different towns. No calls coming from Wii or playstation. Just xbox 360. Anyone else seeing these issues in the last few months? thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 3650 Foliage
Have we gotten any reports how 3650 works with foliage? Would MIMO have any affect on foliage penetration ability? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
Xbox live service has been up and down since Black Friday. It is possible that the host machine is also causing problems, but my guess is that the million new subscribers over the weekend gave the service a pounding. See if they are still having the issues today, as it seems things have smoothed out a bit. -Wes From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Hey now Nowhere, ID is really close to me Josh Luthman wrote: The games on those consoles are hosted (network wise) by other players. The server for a 16 player game could very well be a person in Nowhere, ID with a 1/384 DSL connection. On 12/2/08, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I've had calls from a number of xbox 360 customers that are having trouble with game play etc. Very long lags, poor pings etc. These calls are coming from customers off of multiple towers and even in different towns. No calls coming from Wii or playstation. Just xbox 360. Anyone else seeing these issues in the last few months? thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage
On Dec 2, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Have we gotten any reports how 3650 works with foliage? 3650 sucks with foliage and more power doesn't help. Yeah it is that bad. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
Can you see it from there? ducking :-) _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Hey now Nowhere, ID is really close to me Josh Luthman wrote: The games on those consoles are hosted (network wise) by other players. The server for a 16 player game could very well be a person in Nowhere, ID with a 1/384 DSL connection. On 12/2/08, Marlon K. Schafer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I've had calls from a number of xbox 360 customers that are having trouble with game play etc. Very long lags, poor pings etc. These calls are coming from customers off of multiple towers and even in different towns. No calls coming from Wii or playstation. Just xbox 360. Anyone else seeing these issues in the last few months? thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage
Have we gotten any reports how 3650 works with foliage? It doesn't Would MIMO have any affect on foliage penetration ability? Sure, it might help, but 700 would help more -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage
Well right. I could only assume that 3650 is better than 5.x GHz, but sometimes you match something's... I think natural frequency is the term I'm looking for. Like how 70 - 80 GHz gear goes farther than 60 GHz, because 60 GHz is the natural frequency of oxygen. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Charles Wu (CTI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:53 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage Have we gotten any reports how 3650 works with foliage? It doesn't Would MIMO have any affect on foliage penetration ability? Sure, it might help, but 700 would help more -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage
http://www.phys.hawaii.edu/~anita/web/paperwork/currently%20organizing/Military%20EW%20%20Handbook%20Excerpt/rf_absor.pdf http://www.rfcafe.com/references/electrical/atm-absorption.htm Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Mike Hammett wrote: Well right. I could only assume that 3650 is better than 5.x GHz, but sometimes you match something's... I think natural frequency is the term I'm looking for. Like how 70 - 80 GHz gear goes farther than 60 GHz, because 60 GHz is the natural frequency of oxygen. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Charles Wu (CTI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:53 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage Have we gotten any reports how 3650 works with foliage? It doesn't Would MIMO have any affect on foliage penetration ability? Sure, it might help, but 700 would help more -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE
Brad and Travis, Thanks for your help I turned down both ends to 0 power. I have -41 on the local end and -46 on the remote. MSE went to -31 on the local, -20 on the remote. Changing power on the local unit from 0 to 15 don't affect the remote MSE at all, it stays in the 15-20 range. Checked cable loss settings, and changed if from lmr400 to belden 9913, (no big change on numbers, no chenge on MSE) ATPC is off, targerrssi is still in -26 Any other ideas??? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE I would continue to turn the power down (probably to 0) and see if that helps. We had a -35 on our link (at +20db power) and had to turn it down to +13db to get a -42 and then the MSE went from -20ish to -33ish. I would do it on the local side first, to see what happens in case the link completely drops out. Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: Hey Guys I got a .7 mile 23 ghz Trango Giga Link that Im provisioning Antennas are peaked at -26, using 50 mhz channles 256 qam. Tx power is at 15 db MSE in one end is arround -11, the other end is around -22 How can I improve the MSE? Lowering Tx power just worsens it Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
I believe the Tuesday before or a week before that they launched a bew firmware for the console (100 megs or more IIRC) which could be related, but my stance has always faulted with lousy servers. It explains how it goes good and bad from game to game all day every day. On 12/2/08, Jeff Broadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you see it from there? ducking :-) _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Hey now Nowhere, ID is really close to me Josh Luthman wrote: The games on those consoles are hosted (network wise) by other players. The server for a 16 player game could very well be a person in Nowhere, ID with a 1/384 DSL connection. On 12/2/08, Marlon K. Schafer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I've had calls from a number of xbox 360 customers that are having trouble with game play etc. Very long lags, poor pings etc. These calls are coming from customers off of multiple towers and even in different towns. No calls coming from Wii or playstation. Just xbox 360. Anyone else seeing these issues in the last few months? thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Sent from my mobile device Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
We've seen trouble for months out here. Even with customers on connections that run 1 to 2 megs. Heck, I've got customers that pull 8 megs both ways that are having trouble with xbox 360 games. - Original Message - From: Wes James [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Xbox live service has been up and down since Black Friday. It is possible that the host machine is also causing problems, but my guess is that the million new subscribers over the weekend gave the service a pounding. See if they are still having the issues today, as it seems things have smoothed out a bit. -Wes From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Hey now Nowhere, ID is really close to me Josh Luthman wrote: The games on those consoles are hosted (network wise) by other players. The server for a 16 player game could very well be a person in Nowhere, ID with a 1/384 DSL connection. On 12/2/08, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I've had calls from a number of xbox 360 customers that are having trouble with game play etc. Very long lags, poor pings etc. These calls are coming from customers off of multiple towers and even in different towns. No calls coming from Wii or playstation. Just xbox 360. Anyone else seeing these issues in the last few months? thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage
So according to the document from Hawaii, 3.6 GHz should have lower atmospheric attenuation (I'm assuming this is similar or the same to free space loss) than 2.4 GHz. I'm not at sea level, but I am by no means at 9150 meters! Because water is the molecule at play here, that would also show a difference in foliage penetration. Not trying to go through a forest or anything, but wondering how it would handle a tree or two. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Patrick Shoemaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:10 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage http://www.phys.hawaii.edu/~anita/web/paperwork/currently%20organizing/Military%20EW%20%20Handbook%20Excerpt/rf_absor.pdf http://www.rfcafe.com/references/electrical/atm-absorption.htm Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Mike Hammett wrote: Well right. I could only assume that 3650 is better than 5.x GHz, but sometimes you match something's... I think natural frequency is the term I'm looking for. Like how 70 - 80 GHz gear goes farther than 60 GHz, because 60 GHz is the natural frequency of oxygen. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Charles Wu (CTI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:53 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage Have we gotten any reports how 3650 works with foliage? It doesn't Would MIMO have any affect on foliage penetration ability? Sure, it might help, but 700 would help more -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
The update was released on the 19th and requires 128 MB of storage space. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:25 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues I believe the Tuesday before or a week before that they launched a bew firmware for the console (100 megs or more IIRC) which could be related, but my stance has always faulted with lousy servers. It explains how it goes good and bad from game to game all day every day. On 12/2/08, Jeff Broadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you see it from there? ducking :-) _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Hey now Nowhere, ID is really close to me Josh Luthman wrote: The games on those consoles are hosted (network wise) by other players. The server for a 16 player game could very well be a person in Nowhere, ID with a 1/384 DSL connection. On 12/2/08, Marlon K. Schafer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I've had calls from a number of xbox 360 customers that are having trouble with game play etc. Very long lags, poor pings etc. These calls are coming from customers off of multiple towers and even in different towns. No calls coming from Wii or playstation. Just xbox 360. Anyone else seeing these issues in the last few months? thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Sent from my mobile device Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE
We ran into a problem with noise being picked up by the IDU/ODU cable due to less than adequate shielding. Once we replaced the cable with LMR400 the MSE's came right up to where they were supposed to be. The Belden 9913 cable has similar loss characteristics, but how does the shielding compare to LMR400? We have also found that some Giga radios prefer higher than calculated cableloss settings. For example we have one radio's cableloss settings nearly double what is calculated for the cable run. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE Brad and Travis, Thanks for your help I turned down both ends to 0 power. I have -41 on the local end and -46 on the remote. MSE went to -31 on the local, -20 on the remote. Changing power on the local unit from 0 to 15 don't affect the remote MSE at all, it stays in the 15-20 range. Checked cable loss settings, and changed if from lmr400 to belden 9913, (no big change on numbers, no chenge on MSE) ATPC is off, targerrssi is still in -26 Any other ideas??? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE I would continue to turn the power down (probably to 0) and see if that helps. We had a -35 on our link (at +20db power) and had to turn it down to +13db to get a -42 and then the MSE went from -20ish to -33ish. I would do it on the local side first, to see what happens in case the link completely drops out. Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: Hey Guys I got a .7 mile 23 ghz Trango Giga Link that Im provisioning Antennas are peaked at -26, using 50 mhz channles 256 qam. Tx power is at 15 db MSE in one end is arround -11, the other end is around -22 How can I improve the MSE? Lowering Tx power just worsens it Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage
Our coverage looks like 2.4 GHz coverage in the same environment with the exception of much lower noise floor which helps extend link budgets slightly and help increase reliability at the edge of the coverage area. Scriv On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: So according to the document from Hawaii, 3.6 GHz should have lower atmospheric attenuation (I'm assuming this is similar or the same to free space loss) than 2.4 GHz. I'm not at sea level, but I am by no means at 9150 meters! Because water is the molecule at play here, that would also show a difference in foliage penetration. Not trying to go through a forest or anything, but wondering how it would handle a tree or two. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Patrick Shoemaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:10 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage http://www.phys.hawaii.edu/~anita/web/paperwork/currently%20organizing/Military%20EW%20%20Handbook%20Excerpt/rf_absor.pdfhttp://www.phys.hawaii.edu/%7Eanita/web/paperwork/currently%20organizing/Military%20EW%20%20Handbook%20Excerpt/rf_absor.pdf http://www.rfcafe.com/references/electrical/atm-absorption.htm Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Mike Hammett wrote: Well right. I could only assume that 3650 is better than 5.x GHz, but sometimes you match something's... I think natural frequency is the term I'm looking for. Like how 70 - 80 GHz gear goes farther than 60 GHz, because 60 GHz is the natural frequency of oxygen. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Charles Wu (CTI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:53 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage Have we gotten any reports how 3650 works with foliage? It doesn't Would MIMO have any affect on foliage penetration ability? Sure, it might help, but 700 would help more -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
Problems with PC games? I believe the vast majority, if not all XBox games are hosted by the users in the game instead of a central server (as mentioned earlier). It's entirely dependant on how good or bad everyone's connection is. Could be your connection quality back to MS central. Speed isn't the only indicator of connection quality. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:25 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues We've seen trouble for months out here. Even with customers on connections that run 1 to 2 megs. Heck, I've got customers that pull 8 megs both ways that are having trouble with xbox 360 games. - Original Message - From: Wes James [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Xbox live service has been up and down since Black Friday. It is possible that the host machine is also causing problems, but my guess is that the million new subscribers over the weekend gave the service a pounding. See if they are still having the issues today, as it seems things have smoothed out a bit. -Wes From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Hey now Nowhere, ID is really close to me Josh Luthman wrote: The games on those consoles are hosted (network wise) by other players. The server for a 16 player game could very well be a person in Nowhere, ID with a 1/384 DSL connection. On 12/2/08, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I've had calls from a number of xbox 360 customers that are having trouble with game play etc. Very long lags, poor pings etc. These calls are coming from customers off of multiple towers and even in different towns. No calls coming from Wii or playstation. Just xbox 360. Anyone else seeing these issues in the last few months? thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE
I'll try the the larger calbe loss numbers AFAIK I just need to input the cable loss for a 100' run or is the actual calbe loss number needed ( cable loss per ft * cable run) Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 12:34 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE We ran into a problem with noise being picked up by the IDU/ODU cable due to less than adequate shielding. Once we replaced the cable with LMR400 the MSE's came right up to where they were supposed to be. The Belden 9913 cable has similar loss characteristics, but how does the shielding compare to LMR400? We have also found that some Giga radios prefer higher than calculated cableloss settings. For example we have one radio's cableloss settings nearly double what is calculated for the cable run. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE Brad and Travis, Thanks for your help I turned down both ends to 0 power. I have -41 on the local end and -46 on the remote. MSE went to -31 on the local, -20 on the remote. Changing power on the local unit from 0 to 15 don't affect the remote MSE at all, it stays in the 15-20 range. Checked cable loss settings, and changed if from lmr400 to belden 9913, (no big change on numbers, no chenge on MSE) ATPC is off, targerrssi is still in -26 Any other ideas??? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE I would continue to turn the power down (probably to 0) and see if that helps. We had a -35 on our link (at +20db power) and had to turn it down to +13db to get a -42 and then the MSE went from -20ish to -33ish. I would do it on the local side first, to see what happens in case the link completely drops out. Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: Hey Guys I got a .7 mile 23 ghz Trango Giga Link that Im provisioning Antennas are peaked at -26, using 50 mhz channles 256 qam. Tx power is at 15 db MSE in one end is arround -11, the other end is around -22 How can I improve the MSE? Lowering Tx power just worsens it Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage
Our coverage looks like 2.4 GHz coverage in the same environment with the exception of much lower noise floor which helps extend link budgets slightly and help increase reliability at the edge of the coverage area. Scriv We do get some tree penetration with Canopy 2.4 and reflectors. We get virtually no tree penetration with 5.7 though. I was thinking 3.6x with higher power might punch through some trees as well. 900 definitely goes through trees but the band is just so trashed. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage
We see on average 9dB less signal with 3650 than 2400 NLOS with all things being equal. -Matt On Dec 2, 2008, at 11:42 AM, John Scrivner wrote: Our coverage looks like 2.4 GHz coverage in the same environment with the exception of much lower noise floor which helps extend link budgets slightly and help increase reliability at the edge of the coverage area. Scriv On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So according to the document from Hawaii, 3.6 GHz should have lower atmospheric attenuation (I'm assuming this is similar or the same to free space loss) than 2.4 GHz. I'm not at sea level, but I am by no means at 9150 meters! Because water is the molecule at play here, that would also show a difference in foliage penetration. Not trying to go through a forest or anything, but wondering how it would handle a tree or two. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Patrick Shoemaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:10 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage http://www.phys.hawaii.edu/~anita/web/paperwork/currently%20organizing/Military%20EW%20%20Handbook%20Excerpt/rf_absor.pdf http://www.phys.hawaii.edu/%7Eanita/web/paperwork/currently%20organizing/Military%20EW%20%20Handbook%20Excerpt/rf_absor.pdf http://www.rfcafe.com/references/electrical/atm-absorption.htm Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Mike Hammett wrote: Well right. I could only assume that 3650 is better than 5.x GHz, but sometimes you match something's... I think natural frequency is the term I'm looking for. Like how 70 - 80 GHz gear goes farther than 60 GHz, because 60 GHz is the natural frequency of oxygen. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Charles Wu (CTI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:53 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage Have we gotten any reports how 3650 works with foliage? It doesn't Would MIMO have any affect on foliage penetration ability? Sure, it might help, but 700 would help more -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
I know Halo 2 and 3 does use the peers as gaming hosts. Can't say for other games. To my knowledge Halo is the dominate Xbox game. On 12/2/08, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Problems with PC games? I believe the vast majority, if not all XBox games are hosted by the users in the game instead of a central server (as mentioned earlier). It's entirely dependant on how good or bad everyone's connection is. Could be your connection quality back to MS central. Speed isn't the only indicator of connection quality. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:25 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues We've seen trouble for months out here. Even with customers on connections that run 1 to 2 megs. Heck, I've got customers that pull 8 megs both ways that are having trouble with xbox 360 games. - Original Message - From: Wes James [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Xbox live service has been up and down since Black Friday. It is possible that the host machine is also causing problems, but my guess is that the million new subscribers over the weekend gave the service a pounding. See if they are still having the issues today, as it seems things have smoothed out a bit. -Wes From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Hey now Nowhere, ID is really close to me Josh Luthman wrote: The games on those consoles are hosted (network wise) by other players. The server for a 16 player game could very well be a person in Nowhere, ID with a 1/384 DSL connection. On 12/2/08, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I've had calls from a number of xbox 360 customers that are having trouble with game play etc. Very long lags, poor pings etc. These calls are coming from customers off of multiple towers and even in different towns. No calls coming from Wii or playstation. Just xbox 360. Anyone else seeing these issues in the last few months? thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Sent from my mobile device Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE
Right, if you have LMR400 and the cable run is 100' then you would enter: cableloss 1.5 2.3 3.9 For 200' you would enter: cableloss 3.0 4.6 7.8 Here is an online calculator where you can enter specific cable lengths: http://www.timesmicrowave.com/cgi-bin/calculate.pl The targetrssi also plays into the MSE reading. I typically start with what RSSI is expected and then take into account any variables that may attenuate the RSSI (eg. Building glass etc.). Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE I'll try the the larger calbe loss numbers AFAIK I just need to input the cable loss for a 100' run or is the actual calbe loss number needed ( cable loss per ft * cable run) Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 12:34 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE We ran into a problem with noise being picked up by the IDU/ODU cable due to less than adequate shielding. Once we replaced the cable with LMR400 the MSE's came right up to where they were supposed to be. The Belden 9913 cable has similar loss characteristics, but how does the shielding compare to LMR400? We have also found that some Giga radios prefer higher than calculated cableloss settings. For example we have one radio's cableloss settings nearly double what is calculated for the cable run. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE Brad and Travis, Thanks for your help I turned down both ends to 0 power. I have -41 on the local end and -46 on the remote. MSE went to -31 on the local, -20 on the remote. Changing power on the local unit from 0 to 15 don't affect the remote MSE at all, it stays in the 15-20 range. Checked cable loss settings, and changed if from lmr400 to belden 9913, (no big change on numbers, no chenge on MSE) ATPC is off, targerrssi is still in -26 Any other ideas??? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE I would continue to turn the power down (probably to 0) and see if that helps. We had a -35 on our link (at +20db power) and had to turn it down to +13db to get a -42 and then the MSE went from -20ish to -33ish. I would do it on the local side first, to see what happens in case the link completely drops out. Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: Hey Guys I got a .7 mile 23 ghz Trango Giga Link that Im provisioning Antennas are peaked at -26, using 50 mhz channles 256 qam. Tx power is at 15 db MSE in one end is arround -11, the other end is around -22 How can I improve the MSE? Lowering Tx power just worsens it Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage
With Trango and MT (compex and ubnt) I get minimal tree penetration. On 12/2/08, Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We see on average 9dB less signal with 3650 than 2400 NLOS with all things being equal. -Matt On Dec 2, 2008, at 11:42 AM, John Scrivner wrote: Our coverage looks like 2.4 GHz coverage in the same environment with the exception of much lower noise floor which helps extend link budgets slightly and help increase reliability at the edge of the coverage area. Scriv On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So according to the document from Hawaii, 3.6 GHz should have lower atmospheric attenuation (I'm assuming this is similar or the same to free space loss) than 2.4 GHz. I'm not at sea level, but I am by no means at 9150 meters! Because water is the molecule at play here, that would also show a difference in foliage penetration. Not trying to go through a forest or anything, but wondering how it would handle a tree or two. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Patrick Shoemaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:10 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage http://www.phys.hawaii.edu/~anita/web/paperwork/currently%20organizing/Military%20EW%20%20Handbook%20Excerpt/rf_absor.pdf http://www.phys.hawaii.edu/%7Eanita/web/paperwork/currently%20organizing/Military%20EW%20%20Handbook%20Excerpt/rf_absor.pdf http://www.rfcafe.com/references/electrical/atm-absorption.htm Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Mike Hammett wrote: Well right. I could only assume that 3650 is better than 5.x GHz, but sometimes you match something's... I think natural frequency is the term I'm looking for. Like how 70 - 80 GHz gear goes farther than 60 GHz, because 60 GHz is the natural frequency of oxygen. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Charles Wu (CTI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:53 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage Have we gotten any reports how 3650 works with foliage? It doesn't Would MIMO have any affect on foliage penetration ability? Sure, it might help, but 700 would help more -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
*nods* The Halo and Call of Duty series operate that way. I haven't played many other games online. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:06 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues I know Halo 2 and 3 does use the peers as gaming hosts. Can't say for other games. To my knowledge Halo is the dominate Xbox game. On 12/2/08, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Problems with PC games? I believe the vast majority, if not all XBox games are hosted by the users in the game instead of a central server (as mentioned earlier). It's entirely dependant on how good or bad everyone's connection is. Could be your connection quality back to MS central. Speed isn't the only indicator of connection quality. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:25 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues We've seen trouble for months out here. Even with customers on connections that run 1 to 2 megs. Heck, I've got customers that pull 8 megs both ways that are having trouble with xbox 360 games. - Original Message - From: Wes James [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Xbox live service has been up and down since Black Friday. It is possible that the host machine is also causing problems, but my guess is that the million new subscribers over the weekend gave the service a pounding. See if they are still having the issues today, as it seems things have smoothed out a bit. -Wes From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Hey now Nowhere, ID is really close to me Josh Luthman wrote: The games on those consoles are hosted (network wise) by other players. The server for a 16 player game could very well be a person in Nowhere, ID with a 1/384 DSL connection. On 12/2/08, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I've had calls from a number of xbox 360 customers that are having trouble with game play etc. Very long lags, poor pings etc. These calls are coming from customers off of multiple towers and even in different towns. No calls coming from Wii or playstation. Just xbox 360. Anyone else seeing these issues in the last few months? thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Sent from my mobile device Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
[WISPA] Welcome SecurAlign as a new WISPA Vendor Member
Layne Christensen with SecurAlign is the newest Vendor Member in WISPA. I am sure I speak for us all when I say welcome to you Layne. We appreciate your company's investment in our future with your membership in WISPA. We look forward to working with you to help your business and our industry to grow and prosper. I have included some introductory information about SecurAlign below in Layne's own words. Thank you for supporting WISPA. *SecurAlign* began building the *LT-18* solid reflector for Canopy radios in early 2003 under the name Layne Tool Company. Layne Tool was building the LT-18 reflector as a high quality, low priced alternative to the Canopy 27RD. Motorola engineers liked features of the LT-18 design and considered switching from the 27RD. After two months of testing Motorola decided to continue with the 27RD because of the lower gain of the LT-18 and costs and effort associated with FCC compliance for a new product. Layne Tool then began selling the LT-18 exclusively through distributors. The LT-18 sold well for about three years. Sales began to slow down due to the large markup by the distributors and the availability of other competing reflectors. In mid-2007 the decision was make to sell directly to WISPs under the new name *SecurAlign*. Along with the new company name came an improved design for the LT-18. Early in 2008 the *MAX Dish *was introduced as a *higher gain* alternative to the LT-18 as well as the more expensive 27RD. The MAX Dish also has additional features not found on any other solid dish antenna. See the SecurAlign website www.securalign.com for product features and ordering info. By selling directly to WISPs SecurAlign can offer the best products at the lowest wholesale pricing. SecurAlign's mission is to build products of the highest quality and performance and sell at the lowest prices possible. ** *SecurAlign* *1575 W 2550 S* *Ogden, UT 84310* *USA* *+1 (801) 791-4069 voice* *+1 (801) 745-1808 fax* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage
Matt, Would you not agree that you probably have at least 9 db better noise figures than 2.4 at the same distance where you are seeing 9 db less signal? That is what I was trying to illustrate in my post. Even though the signal drops a little more in the 3650 coverage area than 2.4 we see roughly equivalent coverage areas due to lower noise floor and hence better SNR at the edge of the coverage area. Matt, I seem to remember a post from you recently where you were touting a link through 4 miles of tress with 3650. Was I not reading that correctly? Scriv On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We see on average 9dB less signal with 3650 than 2400 NLOS with all things being equal. -Matt On Dec 2, 2008, at 11:42 AM, John Scrivner wrote: Our coverage looks like 2.4 GHz coverage in the same environment with the exception of much lower noise floor which helps extend link budgets slightly and help increase reliability at the edge of the coverage area. Scriv On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So according to the document from Hawaii, 3.6 GHz should have lower atmospheric attenuation (I'm assuming this is similar or the same to free space loss) than 2.4 GHz. I'm not at sea level, but I am by no means at 9150 meters! Because water is the molecule at play here, that would also show a difference in foliage penetration. Not trying to go through a forest or anything, but wondering how it would handle a tree or two. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Patrick Shoemaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:10 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage http://www.phys.hawaii.edu/~anita/web/paperwork/currently%20organizing/Military%20EW%20%20Handbook%20Excerpt/rf_absor.pdfhttp://www.phys.hawaii.edu/%7Eanita/web/paperwork/currently%20organizing/Military%20EW%20%20Handbook%20Excerpt/rf_absor.pdf http://www.phys.hawaii.edu/%7Eanita/web/paperwork/currently%20organizing/Military%20EW%20%20Handbook%20Excerpt/rf_absor.pdf http://www.rfcafe.com/references/electrical/atm-absorption.htm Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Mike Hammett wrote: Well right. I could only assume that 3650 is better than 5.x GHz, but sometimes you match something's... I think natural frequency is the term I'm looking for. Like how 70 - 80 GHz gear goes farther than 60 GHz, because 60 GHz is the natural frequency of oxygen. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Charles Wu (CTI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:53 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage Have we gotten any reports how 3650 works with foliage? It doesn't Would MIMO have any affect on foliage penetration ability? Sure, it might help, but 700 would help more -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 games have dominated the market for a while. Odd I can't find a ranking for Xbox live games. I am confident Halo and Call of Duty have the majority of games. I can't verify that Call of Duty does games p2p versus client-server, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: *nods* The Halo and Call of Duty series operate that way. I haven't played many other games online. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:06 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues I know Halo 2 and 3 does use the peers as gaming hosts. Can't say for other games. To my knowledge Halo is the dominate Xbox game. On 12/2/08, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Problems with PC games? I believe the vast majority, if not all XBox games are hosted by the users in the game instead of a central server (as mentioned earlier). It's entirely dependant on how good or bad everyone's connection is. Could be your connection quality back to MS central. Speed isn't the only indicator of connection quality. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:25 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues We've seen trouble for months out here. Even with customers on connections that run 1 to 2 megs. Heck, I've got customers that pull 8 megs both ways that are having trouble with xbox 360 games. - Original Message - From: Wes James [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Xbox live service has been up and down since Black Friday. It is possible that the host machine is also causing problems, but my guess is that the million new subscribers over the weekend gave the service a pounding. See if they are still having the issues today, as it seems things have smoothed out a bit. -Wes From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Hey now Nowhere, ID is really close to me Josh Luthman wrote: The games on those consoles are hosted (network wise) by other players. The server for a 16 player game could very well be a person in Nowhere, ID with a 1/384 DSL connection. On 12/2/08, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I've had calls from a number of xbox 360 customers that are having trouble with game play etc. Very long lags, poor pings etc. These calls are coming from customers off of multiple towers and even in different towns. No calls coming from Wii or playstation. Just xbox 360. Anyone else seeing these issues in the last few months? thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage
We have many 3.65GHz WiMAX Base Stations deployed and propagation has been real positive even through some foliage. Picture1 - http://www.wirelessconnections.net/index.php?option=com_shared_private_space task=showfilefileid=117 Picture2 - http://www.wirelessconnections.net/index.php?option=com_shared_private_space task=showfilefileid=118 Picture3 - http://www.wirelessconnections.net/index.php?option=com_shared_private_space task=showfilefileid=119 The above pictures are from a shot we had in Texas to a 3.65 Base Station, I have more tree pictures. The customer had an older original Alvarion VL CPE at 5.8GHz. They installed the VL on a 40 ft guyed mast pole, to get good SNR. At 3.65 GHz from street level(12ft AGL) beside the house we had -75 dBm and downlink/uplink at 64QAM/16QAM respectively we pulled 6Mb/3Mb and perfect Voice calls from the truck. The WISP is thrilled with their coverage in the small town even through foliage. As you can see we shot between two pine trees and through the other trees. At this site we were almost 1.1 Miles away. I would classify the foliage as light. The key to everything is defining the word foliage. How dense is the foliage? How tall? How much power at the Base Station and CPE? Diversity? How far away are you from the Base Station? MIMO or second/fourth order diversity at 3.65Ghz is not being done at the CPE level yet and only on select type of Base Stations. At the Base Stations with Second or Fourth order diversity we see greatly improved uplink capabilities and a lot better connectivity in NLOS environments because of the improved Uplinks. Passing reliable data at -85 to -92dBm is obtainable, although I highly recommend only installing clients with good signal strength. Most systems require -74 to -78dBm or better to achieve reliable full burst rates(64QAM3/4)...When CPE become available with MIMO we can expect even better sensitivity in the Downlink also. It becomes a question on how long it takes the vendors to implement 802.16e flavored in 3.65GHz., Mid/Late 2009 is my bet. We can build an RF system at any frequency that can get through foliage, it comes down to how much do you want to spend to get that type of coverage within your areas terrain. Thinking 3.65GHz can cover through foliage at long range is a myth. And I understand that most operators want to cover 50 miles NLOS from a single tower site at 75' AGL... 700 MHZ can work better if you own that spectrum for use? 3.65GHz is open to about anyone. Thanks, John Rock Director of Operations - Senior Engineer Wireless Connections 166 Milan Ave., Norwalk, Oh. 44857 ACCessing the Future Today!! ofc. 419.660.6100 cell 419-706-7356 fax 419-668-4077 http://www.wirelessconnections.net This transmission and any files attached to it, may contain confidential and/or privileged information and intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, retransmission, dissemination, disclosure, copying or any use of the information or files contained is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete this electronic mail. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage Have we gotten any reports how 3650 works with foliage? Would MIMO have any affect on foliage penetration ability? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage
Who said anything about using 802.16? ;-) I generally don't install a customer that has signal worse than -80. I want to maintain full modulation as best as possible. Can't expect to service too many customers if everyone has -88 signal. I'm just looking to be able to go through a single tree row of trees on a fence line or maybe a small cluster... no forests. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: John Rock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:21 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage We have many 3.65GHz WiMAX Base Stations deployed and propagation has been real positive even through some foliage. Picture1 - http://www.wirelessconnections.net/index.php?option=com_shared_private_space task=showfilefileid=117 Picture2 - http://www.wirelessconnections.net/index.php?option=com_shared_private_space task=showfilefileid=118 Picture3 - http://www.wirelessconnections.net/index.php?option=com_shared_private_space task=showfilefileid=119 The above pictures are from a shot we had in Texas to a 3.65 Base Station, I have more tree pictures. The customer had an older original Alvarion VL CPE at 5.8GHz. They installed the VL on a 40 ft guyed mast pole, to get good SNR. At 3.65 GHz from street level(12ft AGL) beside the house we had -75 dBm and downlink/uplink at 64QAM/16QAM respectively we pulled 6Mb/3Mb and perfect Voice calls from the truck. The WISP is thrilled with their coverage in the small town even through foliage. As you can see we shot between two pine trees and through the other trees. At this site we were almost 1.1 Miles away. I would classify the foliage as light. The key to everything is defining the word foliage. How dense is the foliage? How tall? How much power at the Base Station and CPE? Diversity? How far away are you from the Base Station? MIMO or second/fourth order diversity at 3.65Ghz is not being done at the CPE level yet and only on select type of Base Stations. At the Base Stations with Second or Fourth order diversity we see greatly improved uplink capabilities and a lot better connectivity in NLOS environments because of the improved Uplinks. Passing reliable data at -85 to -92dBm is obtainable, although I highly recommend only installing clients with good signal strength. Most systems require -74 to -78dBm or better to achieve reliable full burst rates(64QAM3/4)...When CPE become available with MIMO we can expect even better sensitivity in the Downlink also. It becomes a question on how long it takes the vendors to implement 802.16e flavored in 3.65GHz., Mid/Late 2009 is my bet. We can build an RF system at any frequency that can get through foliage, it comes down to how much do you want to spend to get that type of coverage within your areas terrain. Thinking 3.65GHz can cover through foliage at long range is a myth. And I understand that most operators want to cover 50 miles NLOS from a single tower site at 75' AGL... 700 MHZ can work better if you own that spectrum for use? 3.65GHz is open to about anyone. Thanks, John Rock Director of Operations - Senior Engineer Wireless Connections 166 Milan Ave., Norwalk, Oh. 44857 ACCessing the Future Today!! ofc. 419.660.6100 cell 419-706-7356 fax 419-668-4077 http://www.wirelessconnections.net This transmission and any files attached to it, may contain confidential and/or privileged information and intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, retransmission, dissemination, disclosure, copying or any use of the information or files contained is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete this electronic mail. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage Have we gotten any reports how 3650 works with foliage? Would MIMO have any affect on foliage penetration ability? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 games have dominated the market for a while. Odd I can't find a ranking for Xbox live games. I am confident Halo and Call of Duty have the majority of games. I can't verify that Call of Duty does games p2p versus client-server, though. One player in the match will be selected as the server based on the quality of there connection with COD4 and COD5. Its too bad they did not allow dedicated linux game servers for these games. I always tell custommers that if all the players in the given match have a crappy connection its the server. If its just them then it 'might' be a problem with there connection. I have seen a number of users with NAT issues on there router though. Also, many times they connect to there router wireless with the xbox or ps3 and that connection goes crappy. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
The few games I play I always hear everyone or no one lagging. Of course everyone says they're lagging when they're losing, so... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 games have dominated the market for a while. Odd I can't find a ranking for Xbox live games. I am confident Halo and Call of Duty have the majority of games. I can't verify that Call of Duty does games p2p versus client-server, though. One player in the match will be selected as the server based on the quality of there connection with COD4 and COD5. Its too bad they did not allow dedicated linux game servers for these games. I always tell custommers that if all the players in the given match have a crappy connection its the server. If its just them then it 'might' be a problem with there connection. I have seen a number of users with NAT issues on there router though. Also, many times they connect to there router wireless with the xbox or ps3 and that connection goes crappy. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage
There is the rub of course. In Atlanta, we see on average about -65 for noise in 2400, while there is no noise in 3650. SNR is important, but for the purposes of helping other WISPs understand how 3650 does through foliage I thought it better to limit the discussion to signal as noise varies by market. We have done longer links NLOS with 3650, but I would say .5 miles is the average we can get away with. -Matt On Dec 2, 2008, at 12:18 PM, John Scrivner wrote: Matt, Would you not agree that you probably have at least 9 db better noise figures than 2.4 at the same distance where you are seeing 9 db less signal? That is what I was trying to illustrate in my post. Even though the signal drops a little more in the 3650 coverage area than 2.4 we see roughly equivalent coverage areas due to lower noise floor and hence better SNR at the edge of the coverage area. Matt, I seem to remember a post from you recently where you were touting a link through 4 miles of tress with 3650. Was I not reading that correctly? Scriv On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We see on average 9dB less signal with 3650 than 2400 NLOS with all things being equal. -Matt On Dec 2, 2008, at 11:42 AM, John Scrivner wrote: Our coverage looks like 2.4 GHz coverage in the same environment with the exception of much lower noise floor which helps extend link budgets slightly and help increase reliability at the edge of the coverage area. Scriv On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So according to the document from Hawaii, 3.6 GHz should have lower atmospheric attenuation (I'm assuming this is similar or the same to free space loss) than 2.4 GHz. I'm not at sea level, but I am by no means at 9150 meters! Because water is the molecule at play here, that would also show a difference in foliage penetration. Not trying to go through a forest or anything, but wondering how it would handle a tree or two. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Patrick Shoemaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:10 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage http://www.phys.hawaii.edu/~anita/web/paperwork/currently%20organizing/Military%20EW%20%20Handbook%20Excerpt/rf_absor.pdf http://www.phys.hawaii.edu/%7Eanita/web/paperwork/currently%20organizing/Military%20EW%20%20Handbook%20Excerpt/rf_absor.pdf http://www.phys.hawaii.edu/%7Eanita/web/paperwork/currently%20organizing/Military%20EW%20%20Handbook%20Excerpt/rf_absor.pdf http://www.rfcafe.com/references/electrical/atm-absorption.htm Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Mike Hammett wrote: Well right. I could only assume that 3650 is better than 5.x GHz, but sometimes you match something's... I think natural frequency is the term I'm looking for. Like how 70 - 80 GHz gear goes farther than 60 GHz, because 60 GHz is the natural frequency of oxygen. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Charles Wu (CTI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:53 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage Have we gotten any reports how 3650 works with foliage? It doesn't Would MIMO have any affect on foliage penetration ability? Sure, it might help, but 700 would help more -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage
On Dec 2, 2008, at 12:33 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Who said anything about using 802.16? ;-) I generally don't install a customer that has signal worse than -80. I want to maintain full modulation as best as possible. Can't expect to service too many customers if everyone has -88 signal. With WiMAX you can. We see full modulation at -86. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
Indeed. Make sure the NAT settings are correct so they have the best pick of people to connect with. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 games have dominated the market for a while. Odd I can't find a ranking for Xbox live games. I am confident Halo and Call of Duty have the majority of games. I can't verify that Call of Duty does games p2p versus client-server, though. One player in the match will be selected as the server based on the quality of there connection with COD4 and COD5. Its too bad they did not allow dedicated linux game servers for these games. I always tell custommers that if all the players in the given match have a crappy connection its the server. If its just them then it 'might' be a problem with there connection. I have seen a number of users with NAT issues on there router though. Also, many times they connect to there router wireless with the xbox or ps3 and that connection goes crappy. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage
okay, that is better than the manufacturers were telling me, or maybe they just didn't understand what I was getting at... or maybe I discounted something they said because they were telling me 75 miles at 75 megabit... okay, no one said that, but they exagerated. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage On Dec 2, 2008, at 12:33 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Who said anything about using 802.16? ;-) I generally don't install a customer that has signal worse than -80. I want to maintain full modulation as best as possible. Can't expect to service too many customers if everyone has -88 signal. With WiMAX you can. We see full modulation at -86. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
...bew firmware for the console (100 megs or more IIRC) What's that if you do not mind me asking? Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:25:09 -0500 I believe the Tuesday before or a week before that they launched a bew firmware for the console (100 megs or more IIRC) which could be related, but my stance has always faulted with lousy servers. It explains how it goes good and bad from game to game all day every day. On 12/2/08, Jeff Broadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you see it from there? ducking :-) _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Hey now Nowhere, ID is really close to me Josh Luthman wrote: The games on those consoles are hosted (network wise) by other players. The server for a 16 player game could very well be a person in Nowhere, ID with a 1/384 DSL connection. On 12/2/08, Marlon K. Schafer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I've had calls from a number of xbox 360 customers that are having trouble with game play etc. Very long lags, poor pings etc. These calls are coming from customers off of multiple towers and even in different towns. No calls coming from Wii or playstation. Just xbox 360. Anyone else seeing these issues in the last few months? thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Sent from my mobile device Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
So, if the host of the game is on a bad connection that would screw up everyone? I've got people with 8 and 9 meg connections having trouble. Found out about a play station customer that's having some trouble too. I think that there must be something on our network(s) that is at least adding to the problem. I just can't figure out what to test for. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues *nods* The Halo and Call of Duty series operate that way. I haven't played many other games online. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:06 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues I know Halo 2 and 3 does use the peers as gaming hosts. Can't say for other games. To my knowledge Halo is the dominate Xbox game. On 12/2/08, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Problems with PC games? I believe the vast majority, if not all XBox games are hosted by the users in the game instead of a central server (as mentioned earlier). It's entirely dependant on how good or bad everyone's connection is. Could be your connection quality back to MS central. Speed isn't the only indicator of connection quality. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:25 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues We've seen trouble for months out here. Even with customers on connections that run 1 to 2 megs. Heck, I've got customers that pull 8 megs both ways that are having trouble with xbox 360 games. - Original Message - From: Wes James [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Xbox live service has been up and down since Black Friday. It is possible that the host machine is also causing problems, but my guess is that the million new subscribers over the weekend gave the service a pounding. See if they are still having the issues today, as it seems things have smoothed out a bit. -Wes From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Hey now Nowhere, ID is really close to me Josh Luthman wrote: The games on those consoles are hosted (network wise) by other players. The server for a 16 player game could very well be a person in Nowhere, ID with a 1/384 DSL connection. On 12/2/08, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I've had calls from a number of xbox 360 customers that are having trouble with game play etc. Very long lags, poor pings etc. These calls are coming from customers off of multiple towers and even in different towns. No calls coming from Wii or playstation. Just xbox 360. Anyone else seeing these issues in the last few months? thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
What setting would that be? I've never changed the NAT settings in a router that I set up for a customer. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Indeed. Make sure the NAT settings are correct so they have the best pick of people to connect with. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 games have dominated the market for a while. Odd I can't find a ranking for Xbox live games. I am confident Halo and Call of Duty have the majority of games. I can't verify that Call of Duty does games p2p versus client-server, though. One player in the match will be selected as the server based on the quality of there connection with COD4 and COD5. Its too bad they did not allow dedicated linux game servers for these games. I always tell custommers that if all the players in the given match have a crappy connection its the server. If its just them then it 'might' be a problem with there connection. I have seen a number of users with NAT issues on there router though. Also, many times they connect to there router wireless with the xbox or ps3 and that connection goes crappy. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
Usually uPNP takes care of it, but they need a specific port forwarded to the box to work. If they have more than one console inside... I dunno what to do about that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:51 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues What setting would that be? I've never changed the NAT settings in a router that I set up for a customer. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Indeed. Make sure the NAT settings are correct so they have the best pick of people to connect with. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 games have dominated the market for a while. Odd I can't find a ranking for Xbox live games. I am confident Halo and Call of Duty have the majority of games. I can't verify that Call of Duty does games p2p versus client-server, though. One player in the match will be selected as the server based on the quality of there connection with COD4 and COD5. Its too bad they did not allow dedicated linux game servers for these games. I always tell custommers that if all the players in the given match have a crappy connection its the server. If its just them then it 'might' be a problem with there connection. I have seen a number of users with NAT issues on there router though. Also, many times they connect to there router wireless with the xbox or ps3 and that connection goes crappy. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
Indeed. If someone's connection is crap and they're the host, everyone else's will be crap as well for the duration of that game. Previously an upstream of mine had a bad router that would decide on its own what traffic it would or would not pass without issue. The issue was most noticeable on World of Warcraft, but downloads from various companies didn't work either. All I could do was to have someone play that game at a hop and see if it worked or not. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues So, if the host of the game is on a bad connection that would screw up everyone? I've got people with 8 and 9 meg connections having trouble. Found out about a play station customer that's having some trouble too. I think that there must be something on our network(s) that is at least adding to the problem. I just can't figure out what to test for. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues *nods* The Halo and Call of Duty series operate that way. I haven't played many other games online. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:06 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues I know Halo 2 and 3 does use the peers as gaming hosts. Can't say for other games. To my knowledge Halo is the dominate Xbox game. On 12/2/08, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Problems with PC games? I believe the vast majority, if not all XBox games are hosted by the users in the game instead of a central server (as mentioned earlier). It's entirely dependant on how good or bad everyone's connection is. Could be your connection quality back to MS central. Speed isn't the only indicator of connection quality. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:25 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues We've seen trouble for months out here. Even with customers on connections that run 1 to 2 megs. Heck, I've got customers that pull 8 megs both ways that are having trouble with xbox 360 games. - Original Message - From: Wes James [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Xbox live service has been up and down since Black Friday. It is possible that the host machine is also causing problems, but my guess is that the million new subscribers over the weekend gave the service a pounding. See if they are still having the issues today, as it seems things have smoothed out a bit. -Wes From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Hey now Nowhere, ID is really close to me Josh Luthman wrote: The games on those consoles are hosted (network wise) by other players. The server for a 16 player game could very well be a person in Nowhere, ID with a 1/384 DSL connection. On 12/2/08, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I've had calls from a number of xbox 360 customers that are having trouble with game play etc. Very long lags, poor pings etc. These calls are coming from customers off of multiple towers and even in different towns. No calls coming from Wii or playstation. Just xbox 360. Anyone else seeing these issues in the last few months? thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
The inability for the 50 dollar router to do the NAT would be the only thing I could imagine. On 12/2/08, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What setting would that be? I've never changed the NAT settings in a router that I set up for a customer. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Indeed. Make sure the NAT settings are correct so they have the best pick of people to connect with. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 games have dominated the market for a while. Odd I can't find a ranking for Xbox live games. I am confident Halo and Call of Duty have the majority of games. I can't verify that Call of Duty does games p2p versus client-server, though. One player in the match will be selected as the server based on the quality of there connection with COD4 and COD5. Its too bad they did not allow dedicated linux game servers for these games. I always tell custommers that if all the players in the given match have a crappy connection its the server. If its just them then it 'might' be a problem with there connection. I have seen a number of users with NAT issues on there router though. Also, many times they connect to there router wireless with the xbox or ps3 and that connection goes crappy. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
upnp? We ALWAYS turn that off. What do you do with it? - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Usually uPNP takes care of it, but they need a specific port forwarded to the box to work. If they have more than one console inside... I dunno what to do about that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:51 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues What setting would that be? I've never changed the NAT settings in a router that I set up for a customer. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Indeed. Make sure the NAT settings are correct so they have the best pick of people to connect with. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 games have dominated the market for a while. Odd I can't find a ranking for Xbox live games. I am confident Halo and Call of Duty have the majority of games. I can't verify that Call of Duty does games p2p versus client-server, though. One player in the match will be selected as the server based on the quality of there connection with COD4 and COD5. Its too bad they did not allow dedicated linux game servers for these games. I always tell custommers that if all the players in the given match have a crappy connection its the server. If its just them then it 'might' be a problem with there connection. I have seen a number of users with NAT issues on there router though. Also, many times they connect to there router wireless with the xbox or ps3 and that connection goes crappy. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
If uPNP is on, it should work as it's supposed to and the XBox requests the port forwarding from the router without manual intervention. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:23 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues upnp? We ALWAYS turn that off. What do you do with it? - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Usually uPNP takes care of it, but they need a specific port forwarded to the box to work. If they have more than one console inside... I dunno what to do about that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:51 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues What setting would that be? I've never changed the NAT settings in a router that I set up for a customer. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Indeed. Make sure the NAT settings are correct so they have the best pick of people to connect with. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 games have dominated the market for a while. Odd I can't find a ranking for Xbox live games. I am confident Halo and Call of Duty have the majority of games. I can't verify that Call of Duty does games p2p versus client-server, though. One player in the match will be selected as the server based on the quality of there connection with COD4 and COD5. Its too bad they did not allow dedicated linux game servers for these games. I always tell custommers that if all the players in the given match have a crappy connection its the server. If its just them then it 'might' be a problem with there connection. I have seen a number of users with NAT issues on there router though. Also, many times they connect to there router wireless with the xbox or ps3 and that connection goes crappy. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
yeppers. MT all the way! :) Works great! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Mike Hammett wrote: If uPNP is on, it should work as it's supposed to and the XBox requests the port forwarding from the router without manual intervention. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:23 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues upnp? We ALWAYS turn that off. What do you do with it? - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Usually uPNP takes care of it, but they need a specific port forwarded to the box to work. If they have more than one console inside... I dunno what to do about that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:51 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues What setting would that be? I've never changed the NAT settings in a router that I set up for a customer. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Indeed. Make sure the NAT settings are correct so they have the best pick of people to connect with. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 games have dominated the market for a while. Odd I can't find a ranking for Xbox live games. I am confident Halo and Call of Duty have the majority of games. I can't verify that Call of Duty does games p2p versus client-server, though. One player in the match will be selected as the server based on the quality of there connection with COD4 and COD5. Its too bad they did not allow dedicated linux game servers for these games. I always tell custommers that if all the players in the given match have a crappy connection its the server. If its just them then it 'might' be a problem with there connection. I have seen a number of users with NAT issues on there router though. Also, many times they connect to there router wireless with the xbox or ps3 and that connection goes crappy. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
I believe what Dennis is saying is MT CPEs are EXCELLENT :) Arc are my favorite enclosures but Roottennas are good too, just short on looks. On 12/2/08, Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeppers. MT all the way! :) Works great! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Mike Hammett wrote: If uPNP is on, it should work as it's supposed to and the XBox requests the port forwarding from the router without manual intervention. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:23 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues upnp? We ALWAYS turn that off. What do you do with it? - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Usually uPNP takes care of it, but they need a specific port forwarded to the box to work. If they have more than one console inside... I dunno what to do about that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:51 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues What setting would that be? I've never changed the NAT settings in a router that I set up for a customer. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Indeed. Make sure the NAT settings are correct so they have the best pick of people to connect with. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 games have dominated the market for a while. Odd I can't find a ranking for Xbox live games. I am confident Halo and Call of Duty have the majority of games. I can't verify that Call of Duty does games p2p versus client-server, though. One player in the match will be selected as the server based on the quality of there connection with COD4 and COD5. Its too bad they did not allow dedicated linux game servers for these games. I always tell custommers that if all the players in the given match have a crappy connection its the server. If its just them then it 'might' be a problem with there connection. I have seen a number of users with NAT issues on there router though. Also, many times they connect to there router wireless with the xbox or ps3 and that connection goes crappy. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
Maybe the RooTennas have personality. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 8:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues I believe what Dennis is saying is MT CPEs are EXCELLENT :) Arc are my favorite enclosures but Roottennas are good too, just short on looks. On 12/2/08, Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeppers. MT all the way! :) Works great! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Mike Hammett wrote: If uPNP is on, it should work as it's supposed to and the XBox requests the port forwarding from the router without manual intervention. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:23 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues upnp? We ALWAYS turn that off. What do you do with it? - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Usually uPNP takes care of it, but they need a specific port forwarded to the box to work. If they have more than one console inside... I dunno what to do about that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:51 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues What setting would that be? I've never changed the NAT settings in a router that I set up for a customer. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Indeed. Make sure the NAT settings are correct so they have the best pick of people to connect with. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues Call of Duty has to be another big one - those WW2 games have dominated the market for a while. Odd I can't find a ranking for Xbox live games. I am confident Halo and Call of Duty have the majority of games. I can't verify that Call of Duty does games p2p versus client-server, though. One player in the match will be selected as the server based on the quality of there connection with COD4 and COD5. Its too bad they did not allow dedicated linux game servers for these games. I always tell custommers that if all the players in the given match have a crappy connection its the server. If its just them then it 'might' be a problem with there connection. I have seen a number of users with NAT issues on there router though. Also, many times they connect to there router wireless with the xbox or ps3 and that connection goes crappy. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join
Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage
John, Interesting data. However, any data on how those links performed on rainy days? The deal with Foliage is that wet foliage causes a lot more loss than dry foliage or wet air. I can give an example of 5.8Ghz that might have 1db of loss in a rain storm, but in a heavy rain 900Mhz might have had 15 db more of loss through foliage than when its dry. (obviously I do not have an apples to apples comparision since we use 900 where we have foliage and 5.8 where we do not.) So Sure 3650 does OK when its dry, but in rain? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John Rock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage We have many 3.65GHz WiMAX Base Stations deployed and propagation has been real positive even through some foliage. Picture1 - http://www.wirelessconnections.net/index.php?option=com_shared_private_space task=showfilefileid=117 Picture2 - http://www.wirelessconnections.net/index.php?option=com_shared_private_space task=showfilefileid=118 Picture3 - http://www.wirelessconnections.net/index.php?option=com_shared_private_space task=showfilefileid=119 The above pictures are from a shot we had in Texas to a 3.65 Base Station, I have more tree pictures. The customer had an older original Alvarion VL CPE at 5.8GHz. They installed the VL on a 40 ft guyed mast pole, to get good SNR. At 3.65 GHz from street level(12ft AGL) beside the house we had -75 dBm and downlink/uplink at 64QAM/16QAM respectively we pulled 6Mb/3Mb and perfect Voice calls from the truck. The WISP is thrilled with their coverage in the small town even through foliage. As you can see we shot between two pine trees and through the other trees. At this site we were almost 1.1 Miles away. I would classify the foliage as light. The key to everything is defining the word foliage. How dense is the foliage? How tall? How much power at the Base Station and CPE? Diversity? How far away are you from the Base Station? MIMO or second/fourth order diversity at 3.65Ghz is not being done at the CPE level yet and only on select type of Base Stations. At the Base Stations with Second or Fourth order diversity we see greatly improved uplink capabilities and a lot better connectivity in NLOS environments because of the improved Uplinks. Passing reliable data at -85 to -92dBm is obtainable, although I highly recommend only installing clients with good signal strength. Most systems require -74 to -78dBm or better to achieve reliable full burst rates(64QAM3/4)...When CPE become available with MIMO we can expect even better sensitivity in the Downlink also. It becomes a question on how long it takes the vendors to implement 802.16e flavored in 3.65GHz., Mid/Late 2009 is my bet. We can build an RF system at any frequency that can get through foliage, it comes down to how much do you want to spend to get that type of coverage within your areas terrain. Thinking 3.65GHz can cover through foliage at long range is a myth. And I understand that most operators want to cover 50 miles NLOS from a single tower site at 75' AGL... 700 MHZ can work better if you own that spectrum for use? 3.65GHz is open to about anyone. Thanks, John Rock Director of Operations - Senior Engineer Wireless Connections 166 Milan Ave., Norwalk, Oh. 44857 ACCessing the Future Today!! ofc. 419.660.6100 cell 419-706-7356 fax 419-668-4077 http://www.wirelessconnections.net This transmission and any files attached to it, may contain confidential and/or privileged information and intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, retransmission, dissemination, disclosure, copying or any use of the information or files contained is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete this electronic mail. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 3650 Foliage Have we gotten any reports how 3650 works with foliage? Would MIMO have any affect on foliage penetration ability? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
[WISPA] The fastest ISPs in America.. And only WildBlue was mentioned as wireless???
I just ran across this article from PC Magazine about the fastest ISPs in America and nowhere on there, other than WildBlue, does it mention wireless! That sucks! Here¹s the article: http://www.pcmag.com/print_article2/0,1217,a%253D234501,00.asp Boycott PCMag or what? :-) -drew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE
Gino, Also note... Trangos have automatic gain control. For troubleshooting, I recommend turning off ODURXAGC as well as ATPC. This will allow you to experiment with manual TX values that you can count on occuring. We generally saw better mse at -40 than we did -28 because of -28 being an overload situation. But in 23Ghz, long term you would not want to leave all the auto features off, and TX power reduced to reach the -40, because when it rains there would be lots of loss, potentially requiring the increase in tx power again. But taking the Auto off for testing is helpful. I'd also recommend running that way for a period of time to make sure its stable that way, when you get a good link. I have not confirmed any flaws with GIGA auto features on new firmware, but I still wonder whether auto features will work well or not. The thought is... What will firmware do when it sees a lowered MSE? Raise or lower the tx power? Raising power is not always the best answer. For example, if interference occurs, increase power to get over the interference or obstruction is appropriate, however, if that resulted in an overload situation, it could then create worse MSE, creating a loop to distruction, and the process would then need to choose to lower power to correct. Now I'm sure Trango's ATPC/AGC control considers all the intelligent type things that need to be considered, but my thought is that it may take customization based on the specific deployment. One neat thing about Trango's firmware is it does allow some customization of threshholds for those features. Also make sure you have the newer firmwares. (If you don;t know what they are, ask Trango, as they are not on the public website, jsut on a provate login FTP server). Some of the older ones still had some issue where you'd get a low MSE after configuration changes until both sides of the link were rebooted. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE Right, if you have LMR400 and the cable run is 100' then you would enter: cableloss 1.5 2.3 3.9 For 200' you would enter: cableloss 3.0 4.6 7.8 Here is an online calculator where you can enter specific cable lengths: http://www.timesmicrowave.com/cgi-bin/calculate.pl The targetrssi also plays into the MSE reading. I typically start with what RSSI is expected and then take into account any variables that may attenuate the RSSI (eg. Building glass etc.). Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE I'll try the the larger calbe loss numbers AFAIK I just need to input the cable loss for a 100' run or is the actual calbe loss number needed ( cable loss per ft * cable run) Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 12:34 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE We ran into a problem with noise being picked up by the IDU/ODU cable due to less than adequate shielding. Once we replaced the cable with LMR400 the MSE's came right up to where they were supposed to be. The Belden 9913 cable has similar loss characteristics, but how does the shielding compare to LMR400? We have also found that some Giga radios prefer higher than calculated cableloss settings. For example we have one radio's cableloss settings nearly double what is calculated for the cable run. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE Brad and Travis, Thanks for your help I turned down both ends to 0 power. I have -41 on the local end and -46 on the remote. MSE went to -31 on the local, -20 on the remote. Changing power on the local unit from 0 to 15 don't affect the remote MSE at all, it stays in the 15-20 range. Checked cable loss settings, and changed if from lmr400 to belden 9913, (no big change on numbers, no chenge on MSE) ATPC is off, targerrssi is still in -26 Any other ideas??? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA]
Re: [WISPA] The fastest ISPs in America.. And only WildBlue wasmentioned as wireless???
Hiya Drew, Remember, their are only two ISP's based places in America... Cable Co's and Large Telcos. They are the only ISP's that matter. Forget the small places that cover where they would never founder thier hard earned investor dollars. Wait a sec, I am getting polical on WISPA, sorry guys and gals. Let's hope this get's changed under the new admin. Scott -- Original Message -- From: Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:55:52 -0600 I just ran across this article from PC Magazine about the fastest ISPs in America and nowhere on there, other than WildBlue, does it mention wireless! That sucks! Here¹s the article: http://www.pcmag.com/print_article2/0,1217,a%253D234501,00.asp Boycott PCMag or what? :-) -drew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The fastest ISPs in America.. And only WildBlue wasmentioned as wireless???
I'm with Scottie on this one... Small businesses don't run the country, governments bail out large businesses that run the country. We do get the promises, though! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hiya Drew, Remember, their are only two ISP's based places in America... Cable Co's and Large Telcos. They are the only ISP's that matter. Forget the small places that cover where they would never founder thier hard earned investor dollars. Wait a sec, I am getting polical on WISPA, sorry guys and gals. Let's hope this get's changed under the new admin. Scott -- Original Message -- From: Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:55:52 -0600 I just ran across this article from PC Magazine about the fastest ISPs in America and nowhere on there, other than WildBlue, does it mention wireless! That sucks! Here¹s the article: http://www.pcmag.com/print_article2/0,1217,a%253D234501,00.asp Boycott PCMag or what? :-) -drew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The fastest ISPs in America.. And only WildBlue was mentioned as wireless???
Come on, Drewthat article wins First Prize for Most Wasted Internet Electrons this week. Why would wireless be included? Wireless will never compete with copper or fiber. Shsh. Drew Lentz wrote: I just ran across this article from PC Magazine about the fastest ISPs in America and nowhere on there, other than WildBlue, does it mention wireless! That sucks! Here¹s the article: http://www.pcmag.com/print_article2/0,1217,a%253D234501,00.asp Boycott PCMag or what? :-) -drew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The fastest ISPs in America.. And only WildBlue was mentioned as wireless???
Should I take a picture of the 1500ft tower with a dozen antennas that Time Warner *Cable* has a mile from our office? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 12:09 AM, Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Come on, Drewthat article wins First Prize for Most Wasted Internet Electrons this week. Why would wireless be included? Wireless will never compete with copper or fiber. Shsh. Drew Lentz wrote: I just ran across this article from PC Magazine about the fastest ISPs in America and nowhere on there, other than WildBlue, does it mention wireless! That sucks! Here¹s the article: http://www.pcmag.com/print_article2/0,1217,a%253D234501,00.asp Boycott PCMag or what? :-) -drew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The fastest ISPs in America.. And only WildBlue wasmentioned as wireless???
LOL, I have been to Vegas a few timesSaw SOME BIG movie stars, I didn't take pictures, They are just like me and you, only hyped up!. I think that is relative to you TW towers! I could be wrong, I have once before, LOL. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 00:19:42 -0500 Should I take a picture of the 1500ft tower with a dozen antennas that Time Warner *Cable* has a mile from our office? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 12:09 AM, Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Come on, Drewthat article wins First Prize for Most Wasted Internet Electrons this week. Why would wireless be included? Wireless will never compete with copper or fiber. Shsh. Drew Lentz wrote: I just ran across this article from PC Magazine about the fastest ISPs in America and nowhere on there, other than WildBlue, does it mention wireless! That sucks! Here¹s the article: http://www.pcmag.com/print_article2/0,1217,a%253D234501,00.asp Boycott PCMag or what? :-) -drew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The fastest ISPs in America.. And only WildBlue wasmentioned as wireless???
My point is that companies like Time Warner Cable, Verizon, ATT, etc boast that their service is reliable because it is wired, which is not the case. Kind of like Verizon's FiOS versus Comcast - Comcast fought back saying their network is fiber just as Verizon's FiOS is. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL, I have been to Vegas a few timesSaw SOME BIG movie stars, I didn't take pictures, They are just like me and you, only hyped up!. I think that is relative to you TW towers! I could be wrong, I have once before, LOL. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 00:19:42 -0500 Should I take a picture of the 1500ft tower with a dozen antennas that Time Warner *Cable* has a mile from our office? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 12:09 AM, Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Come on, Drewthat article wins First Prize for Most Wasted Internet Electrons this week. Why would wireless be included? Wireless will never compete with copper or fiber. Shsh. Drew Lentz wrote: I just ran across this article from PC Magazine about the fastest ISPs in America and nowhere on there, other than WildBlue, does it mention wireless! That sucks! Here¹s the article: http://www.pcmag.com/print_article2/0,1217,a%253D234501,00.asp Boycott PCMag or what? :-) -drew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The fastest ISPs in America.. And only WildBluewasmentioned as wireless???
[EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the guy that compiled the article. Write him and educate him. I did. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] The fastest ISPs in America.. And only WildBluewasmentioned as wireless??? My point is that companies like Time Warner Cable, Verizon, ATT, etc boast that their service is reliable because it is wired, which is not the case. Kind of like Verizon's FiOS versus Comcast - Comcast fought back saying their network is fiber just as Verizon's FiOS is. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL, I have been to Vegas a few timesSaw SOME BIG movie stars, I didn't take pictures, They are just like me and you, only hyped up!. I think that is relative to you TW towers! I could be wrong, I have once before, LOL. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 00:19:42 -0500 Should I take a picture of the 1500ft tower with a dozen antennas that Time Warner *Cable* has a mile from our office? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 12:09 AM, Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Come on, Drewthat article wins First Prize for Most Wasted Internet Electrons this week. Why would wireless be included? Wireless will never compete with copper or fiber. Shsh. Drew Lentz wrote: I just ran across this article from PC Magazine about the fastest ISPs in America and nowhere on there, other than WildBlue, does it mention wireless! That sucks! Here¹s the article: http://www.pcmag.com/print_article2/0,1217,a%253D234501,00.asp Boycott PCMag or what? :-) -drew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] The fastest ISPs in America.. And onlyWildBluewasmentioned as wireless???
This is what his autoresponder sent. So, email both of them. I will be out of the office December 3rd - 5th, returning Monday December 8th. For answers to any questions regarding PCMag.com content, talk to Vicki Jacobson: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] The fastest ISPs in America.. And onlyWildBluewasmentioned as wireless??? [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the guy that compiled the article. Write him and educate him. I did. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] The fastest ISPs in America.. And only WildBluewasmentioned as wireless??? My point is that companies like Time Warner Cable, Verizon, ATT, etc boast that their service is reliable because it is wired, which is not the case. Kind of like Verizon's FiOS versus Comcast - Comcast fought back saying their network is fiber just as Verizon's FiOS is. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL, I have been to Vegas a few timesSaw SOME BIG movie stars, I didn't take pictures, They are just like me and you, only hyped up!. I think that is relative to you TW towers! I could be wrong, I have once before, LOL. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 00:19:42 -0500 Should I take a picture of the 1500ft tower with a dozen antennas that Time Warner *Cable* has a mile from our office? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 12:09 AM, Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Come on, Drewthat article wins First Prize for Most Wasted Internet Electrons this week. Why would wireless be included? Wireless will never compete with copper or fiber. Shsh. Drew Lentz wrote: I just ran across this article from PC Magazine about the fastest ISPs in America and nowhere on there, other than WildBlue, does it mention wireless! That sucks! Here¹s the article: http://www.pcmag.com/print_article2/0,1217,a%253D234501,00.asp Boycott PCMag or what? :-) -drew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] The fastest ISPs in America.. And only WildBluewasmentioned as wireless???
You're a good man, C.M !! Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the guy that compiled the article. Write him and educate him. I did. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] The fastest ISPs in America.. And only WildBluewasmentioned as wireless??? My point is that companies like Time Warner Cable, Verizon, ATT, etc boast that their service is reliable because it is wired, which is not the case. Kind of like Verizon's FiOS versus Comcast - Comcast fought back saying their network is fiber just as Verizon's FiOS is. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand Wireless are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer (pruned, to save electrons) -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
