Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
* Marlon K. Schafer wrote, On 3/18/2009 10:32 PM: Thanks Leon, You;re welcome Marlon... Do you have a contact person? Harold Bledsoe he's a WISPA member vendor. Also, what ranges and speeds are people seeing with 3650? I don;t know as I'm not with Bluemont anymore and we/I were looking at all the 3650 stuff last year. Depends on the channel size too. Anyone worried about self inflicted interneference? There is only 50mhz of spectrum right? I don't think that should be an issue. Let me know how it goes. Leon marlon - Original Message - From: Leon Zetekoff wa4...@arrl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. Take care leon Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ridiculously OT, but relevant question...
We put a full size plastic owl on a 50 ft tower just above the antenna that had many mockingbirds perching on a yagi, and the went away. Not sure about woodpeckers. Are they perching or pecking? Thanks, Dave Hulsebus Portative Technologies, LLC www.portative.com rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: How, uhh, do you deal with woodpeckers...??? Anyone got any ideas other than shotgun? insert witty tagline here WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ATT to work with power companies to expand BPL
In our State our Governor has stated that they are going to work with the power companies and provided grant moneys to bring BPL to rural areas. Just reading between the lines. Victoria -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT to work with power companys to expand BPL I didnt read the whole article as you gotta register to do so. I just took the subject verbatim. So whats it got to do with BPL then? -RickG 2009/3/18 Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net I didn't see anything about BPL in it. I got the point was that they were putting ATT cell modems in the electric meters. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:32 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT to work with power companys to expand BPL I thought the point of the story is BPL? -RickG On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: They have no place to complain on this because they'll be using ATT's wireless network. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:41 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT to work with power companys to expand BPL And where is the ARRL and all the Ham operators? -RickG On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Lists li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: http://telephonyonline.com/residential_services/news/att-smartsynch-smart-gr id-technology-0317/ http://telephonyonline.com/residential_services/news/att-smartsynch-smart-gr %0Aid-technology-0317/ Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO StLouisBroadband.com MissouriRuralWireless.com 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
Marlon, I watched the tranzeo wimax 3.65 webinar a few weeks back. They have that pico base station for about $1700. I asked, and they said yes, it would work with an omni. I know everybody says don't use an omni, but maybe it would be OK on 3.65? I was curious because most of my grain legs would max out at 20 customers (due to trees). And I certainly wouldn't want to buy three sectors just to support 20 houses. They do have a starter kit that includes two(?) customer radios for free. I'm out of money for testing things, but let us know if you try it. -John PS - they can sync multiple base stations from a central server. On Mar 18, 2009, at 9:27 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
Thanks! marlon - Original Message - From: John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Marlon, I watched the tranzeo wimax 3.65 webinar a few weeks back. They have that pico base station for about $1700. I asked, and they said yes, it would work with an omni. I know everybody says don't use an omni, but maybe it would be OK on 3.65? I was curious because most of my grain legs would max out at 20 customers (due to trees). And I certainly wouldn't want to buy three sectors just to support 20 houses. They do have a starter kit that includes two(?) customer radios for free. I'm out of money for testing things, but let us know if you try it. -John PS - they can sync multiple base stations from a central server. On Mar 18, 2009, at 9:27 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
Marlon I checked the map, and like me, Odessa is within the 150km satellite exclusion zone for the station located in Brewster. From what I've read you need to get their permission to operate anything in the 3.65GHz spectrum. I just applied for our 3.65GHz licnse so I haven't heard anything yet. If you want I have a .kmz file I can send you with the exclusion zone. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Thanks! marlon - Original Message - From: John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Marlon, I watched the tranzeo wimax 3.65 webinar a few weeks back. They have that pico base station for about $1700. I asked, and they said yes, it would work with an omni. I know everybody says don't use an omni, but maybe it would be OK on 3.65? I was curious because most of my grain legs would max out at 20 customers (due to trees). And I certainly wouldn't want to buy three sectors just to support 20 houses. They do have a starter kit that includes two(?) customer radios for free. I'm out of money for testing things, but let us know if you try it. -John PS - they can sync multiple base stations from a central server. On Mar 18, 2009, at 9:27 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Aerial / Self-Support Cat5
Got an application where I need an aerial run from an AP on a light pole to a building - about 50ft or so. I've seen the aerial Cat5 with a messenger cable (is that the right terminology??) connected to it somewhere a year or so ago, but can't find it again. Anyone know if this is available? I've found fiber like this, but no Cat5/6. Have seen both terms - aerial and self-support Cat-5 used but neither search has been very helpful for me. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base station, that only supports 30 subscribers. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I'm certainly interested in ptmp. The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. Take care leon Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
Biggest problem with using a 3 sector configuration on tranzeo is they have no snyc, and because You only have 25mhz to play with, you end up seeing RF issues due to needing at least 14mhz Of seperation without snyc. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Richey Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:52 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? The APs are around $1600-1700 and CPEs are in the $250-300 ballpark. The AP will handle 30 subs and they have a BAM/PRIZIM type server you can use to provision SMs or you can do it the old way.Their thought is once you hit 90 users with 3 sectors you will probably be ready to upgrade to a bigger base station. Richey From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? How much is the tranzeo stuff going for? AP and CPE? Gino Villarini wrote: Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. Take care leon Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group mailto:motor...@wispa.org motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Aerial / Self-Support Cat5
In a pinch, I've actually used a separate piece of Cat-5 as the support wire, with the data wire loosely tie-wrapped to it. Then again, many of the houses I install have so many holes in the walls I don't need to drill one for the entry point. g Rk On 3/19/2009 9:19 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: Got an application where I need an aerial run from an AP on a light pole to a building - about 50ft or so. I've seen the aerial Cat5 with a messenger cable (is that the right terminology??) connected to it somewhere a year or so ago, but can't find it again. Anyone know if this is available? I've found fiber like this, but no Cat5/6. Have seen both terms - aerial and self-support Cat-5 used but neither search has been very helpful for me. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base station, that only supports 30 subscribers. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I'm certainly interested in ptmp. The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. Take care leon Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
Not enough? You get 18 mbps in a 7 mhz channel Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base station, that only supports 30 subscribers. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I'm certainly interested in ptmp. The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. Take care leon Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] ATT to work with power companies to expand BPL
Is there a more expensive way to bring in broadband than BPL? Perhaps they would consider FTTH out in the middle of nowhere instead... That might cost more, be more in line... sheesh... I'm sorry, but I have become so completely disgusted, it's getting difficult for me to even relate to any of this stuff. It's like crisis mode is an excuse to just let anything happen anywhere to anyone, and spend any amount for anything without even a smidgeon of responsibility. All, precisely when the exact opposite should be happening... Prudence, thrift, conservation, careful judgement and careful analysis... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Lists li...@stlbroadband.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT to work with power companies to expand BPL In our State our Governor has stated that they are going to work with the power companies and provided grant moneys to bring BPL to rural areas. Just reading between the lines. Victoria -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT to work with power companys to expand BPL I didnt read the whole article as you gotta register to do so. I just took the subject verbatim. So whats it got to do with BPL then? -RickG 2009/3/18 Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net I didn't see anything about BPL in it. I got the point was that they were putting ATT cell modems in the electric meters. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:32 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT to work with power companys to expand BPL I thought the point of the story is BPL? -RickG On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: They have no place to complain on this because they'll be using ATT's wireless network. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:41 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT to work with power companys to expand BPL And where is the ARRL and all the Ham operators? -RickG On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Lists li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: http://telephonyonline.com/residential_services/news/att-smartsynch-smart-gr id-technology-0317/ http://telephonyonline.com/residential_services/news/att-smartsynch-smart-gr %0Aid-technology-0317/ Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO StLouisBroadband.com MissouriRuralWireless.com 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
Good efficiencies, not enough throughput per channel, however. In one thread in one list we have people complaining about not having enough bandwidth to serve their customers now much less next year or the next and in the other, we have people excited about an AP that only does 18 megabit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Not enough? You get 18 mbps in a 7 mhz channel Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base station, that only supports 30 subscribers. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I'm certainly interested in ptmp. The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. Take care leon Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
We are seeing around $500 ARPU and on average 6 customers deployed per 7Mhz channel with our RedMax basestations. I see no reason to complain. -Matt On Mar 19, 2009, at 2:33 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Good efficiencies, not enough throughput per channel, however. In one thread in one list we have people complaining about not having enough bandwidth to serve their customers now much less next year or the next and in the other, we have people excited about an AP that only does 18 megabit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Not enough? You get 18 mbps in a 7 mhz channel Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base station, that only supports 30 subscribers. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I'm certainly interested in ptmp. The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. Take care leon Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
I can get 12 to 18 mbit off my 5 ghz AP's, and with customers limited to 2Mbit, I'm still bumping into limits in the 30 - 45 range per AP, and even then, I consider it oversubscribed. Now, 18mbit throughput in 7 mhz is great... But how good does the signal have to be, and when the signals degrade due to distance or... How much effect does this have? What's the distance you can do 18? 2 miles? 4 miles? I need 25 miles... I can't even GO 25 miles decently with 3.65, due to eirp limits. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Good efficiencies, not enough throughput per channel, however. In one thread in one list we have people complaining about not having enough bandwidth to serve their customers now much less next year or the next and in the other, we have people excited about an AP that only does 18 megabit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Not enough? You get 18 mbps in a 7 mhz channel Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base station, that only supports 30 subscribers. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I'm certainly interested in ptmp. The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. Take care leon Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
You're not going to get that in the residential market, which is where most of us compete. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:39 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? We are seeing around $500 ARPU and on average 6 customers deployed per 7Mhz channel with our RedMax basestations. I see no reason to complain. -Matt On Mar 19, 2009, at 2:33 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Good efficiencies, not enough throughput per channel, however. In one thread in one list we have people complaining about not having enough bandwidth to serve their customers now much less next year or the next and in the other, we have people excited about an AP that only does 18 megabit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Not enough? You get 18 mbps in a 7 mhz channel Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base station, that only supports 30 subscribers. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I'm certainly interested in ptmp. The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. Take care leon Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
Maybe the equipment isn't the problem then. -Matt On Mar 19, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: You're not going to get that in the residential market, which is where most of us compete. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:39 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? We are seeing around $500 ARPU and on average 6 customers deployed per 7Mhz channel with our RedMax basestations. I see no reason to complain. -Matt On Mar 19, 2009, at 2:33 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Good efficiencies, not enough throughput per channel, however. In one thread in one list we have people complaining about not having enough bandwidth to serve their customers now much less next year or the next and in the other, we have people excited about an AP that only does 18 megabit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Not enough? You get 18 mbps in a 7 mhz channel Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base station, that only supports 30 subscribers. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I'm certainly interested in ptmp. The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. Take care leon Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
my average per customer is around $33/mo insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? You're not going to get that in the residential market, which is where most of us compete. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:39 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? We are seeing around $500 ARPU and on average 6 customers deployed per 7Mhz channel with our RedMax basestations. I see no reason to complain. -Matt On Mar 19, 2009, at 2:33 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Good efficiencies, not enough throughput per channel, however. In one thread in one list we have people complaining about not having enough bandwidth to serve their customers now much less next year or the next and in the other, we have people excited about an AP that only does 18 megabit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Not enough? You get 18 mbps in a 7 mhz channel Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base station, that only supports 30 subscribers. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I'm certainly interested in ptmp. The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. Take care leon Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
How do you do that, Patrick? Seriously, 18 mbit is 18 mbit. It isn't magically 36 because it has the word 'wimax' attached to it. Now, we do understand the technical improvements from better MAC's, but that has mostly translated to narrower channels, not more throughput. Even if you do FIBER, but your choke point, where everything comes down to a single pipe, be it a router, feed, AP, etc, data is data, it doesn't magically shrink because you label wimax on the device.Because we don't talk in radio rate but AP to client throughput aggregate totals, it doesn't matter if it's wimax, bpl, 802.11 or some totally proprietary unknown system. Data transfer limits are data transfer limits, and if you need to keep 30 clients going all at the same time with at least 1 meg, it ain't going to happen with an 18M feed point, even if the wimax word is printed, taped, labelled, or scratched onto the device. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? That's nuts Mike. I know numerous examples where the numbers are very high. Simply depends on what you are selling, like it always has. In general though, it is probably a fair point to say that how ever many customers you can get on a WISP model for a given capacity, double the number of customers for the same service and same same capacity in the WiMAX world. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base station, that only supports 30 subscribers. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I'm certainly interested in ptmp. The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. Take care leon Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
Take a look at SkyPilot gear, it seems to have all the advantages of Wimax, plus some benefits. 28 W PTMP in the 5+ Ghz bands, TDD, low cost cpe's. Only thing it really lacks, and is also a downfall of Wimax is the radio as a Demarc (Routing/Nat/PPPoE). Regards Michael Baird Good efficiencies, not enough throughput per channel, however. In one thread in one list we have people complaining about not having enough bandwidth to serve their customers now much less next year or the next and in the other, we have people excited about an AP that only does 18 megabit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Not enough? You get 18 mbps in a 7 mhz channel Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base station, that only supports 30 subscribers. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I'm certainly interested in ptmp. The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. Take care leon Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
That's nuts Mike. I know numerous examples where the numbers are very high. Simply depends on what you are selling, like it always has. In general though, it is probably a fair point to say that how ever many customers you can get on a WISP model for a given capacity, double the number of customers for the same service and same same capacity in the WiMAX world. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base station, that only supports 30 subscribers. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I'm certainly interested in ptmp. The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. Take care leon Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
My understanding is, it's a little more complex than that. With wimax prioritization and scheduling, the customer experience is similar to what they'd get at 2 or 3 times the normal bandwidth. In other words, the customer experience, given a 3 Mbps by 2 Mbps connection on wimax gives performance similar to a 5.8 connection at 6 to 9 Mbps down by 4 to 6 Mbps up. And, because of the prioritization and scheduling, where you might be able to support 100 customers, you can support 200 to 300 customers on a base station. The price for the wimax equipment is about 3x what it is for normal 5.8 equipment so the price per customer on a fully loaded base station is about the same. However, that (obviously) means it's not particularly viable in many situations where you don't see enough customers to support a wimax base station. But because 3.65 with diversity is supposed to deliver NLOS performance similar to or better than 900 MHz, you can see customers you wouldn't otherwise see. And of course, it's clean spectrum. So, it isn't a simply question. It will be great for some, useless for others. But I think it's useful for more situations than people think it is. Chuck On Mar 19, 2009, at 2:33 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Good efficiencies, not enough throughput per channel, however. In one thread in one list we have people complaining about not having enough bandwidth to serve their customers now much less next year or the next and in the other, we have people excited about an AP that only does 18 megabit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Not enough? You get 18 mbps in a 7 mhz channel Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base station, that only supports 30 subscribers. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I'm certainly interested in ptmp. The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. Take care leon Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
On Mar 19, 2009, at 3:18 PM, Chuck Bartosch wrote: However, that (obviously) means it's not particularly viable in many situations where you don't see enough customers to support a wimax base station. But because 3.65 with diversity is supposed to deliver NLOS performance similar to or better than 900 MHz, you can see customers you wouldn't otherwise see. I can tell you for a fact that even with uplink subchannelization, diversity, and all of WiMAX's OFDM subcarriers, 3.65 does not deliver NLOS performance similar to or better than 900Mhz. Throw all the technology you want at it and 3.65 is still not going to get through much foliage. NLOS performance in an urban environment on the other hand is great. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
So in the world of Netflix, ABC, FOX, NBC, etc. using multiple megabits of bandwidth for hours at a time (often at the same time of other users), tell me how well that's going to work? QoS and fanciness means nothing if you're trying to stuff 30 megs in an 18 meg pipe. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:52 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? That's nuts Mike. I know numerous examples where the numbers are very high. Simply depends on what you are selling, like it always has. In general though, it is probably a fair point to say that how ever many customers you can get on a WISP model for a given capacity, double the number of customers for the same service and same same capacity in the WiMAX world. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base station, that only supports 30 subscribers. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I'm certainly interested in ptmp. The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. Take care leon Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You!
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
I am happy for you in your business, that's why I try to connect you with other WISPs as often as I can. However, I started my company because I didn't have broadband at my house. My neighbor didn't have broadband. I sure as hell wasn't going to pay $500/month for it. WiMAX certainly has its places, but residential broadband isn't one of them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Maybe the equipment isn't the problem then. -Matt On Mar 19, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: You're not going to get that in the residential market, which is where most of us compete. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:39 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? We are seeing around $500 ARPU and on average 6 customers deployed per 7Mhz channel with our RedMax basestations. I see no reason to complain. -Matt On Mar 19, 2009, at 2:33 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Good efficiencies, not enough throughput per channel, however. In one thread in one list we have people complaining about not having enough bandwidth to serve their customers now much less next year or the next and in the other, we have people excited about an AP that only does 18 megabit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Not enough? You get 18 mbps in a 7 mhz channel Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base station, that only supports 30 subscribers. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I'm certainly interested in ptmp. The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. Take care leon Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
H, I know a user in the Caribbean that has a couple hundred users on a 5MHz wide channel that 'only' supports 12 Mbs TDD. Works great for his modeled plans with voip and smaller data plans best effort. But heck if I put one user on a 6x6 Mb plan and they suck it all up then I would only put one user on right. The point here is you cannot set numbers of Subscriber Stations(SS) per Base Station sectors based on a quantities' number but rather actual sold; Best Effort(BE), nRT(non real time), RT(Real Time) and UGS(unsolicited grant service); services. Making a broad statement like I would only put 30 clients on one WiMAX base station because of lack of bandwidth is just not accurate with the QoS settings now available in the radios... John Rock Director of Operations - Senior Engineer Wireless Connections 166 Milan Ave., Norwalk, Oh. 44857 ACCessing the Future Today!! ofc. 419.660.6100 cell 419-706-7356 fax 419-668-4077 http://www.wirelessconnections.net This transmission and any files attached to it, may contain confidential and/or privileged information and intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, retransmission, dissemination, disclosure, copying or any use of the information or files contained is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete this electronic mail. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base station, that only supports 30 subscribers. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I'm certainly interested in ptmp. The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. Take care leon Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Aerial / Self-Support Cat5
Yes that is the correct terminology. I have not looked for that recently. In the several instances we have needed that, I have purchased steel aircraft cable and strung it as the messenger. Then we have loosely spiraled the cat5 around that. No worry about tape coming loose or wire ties pinching the wire and it does not droop, either. Jason Hensley wrote: Got an application where I need an aerial run from an AP on a light pole to a building - about 50ft or so. I've seen the aerial Cat5 with a messenger cable (is that the right terminology??) connected to it somewhere a year or so ago, but can't find it again. Anyone know if this is available? I've found fiber like this, but no Cat5/6. Have seen both terms - aerial and self-support Cat-5 used but neither search has been very helpful for me. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.19/2010 - Release Date: 03/18/09 20:27:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
Mike, Many Wimax manufacturers have many operators who have more than 100 subs per AP. Our solution supports up to 30k pps, so it can most defintely scale to this level. The Wimax mac was designed for this, bandwidth aside. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base station, that only supports 30 subscribers. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I'm certainly interested in ptmp. The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. Take care leon Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You!
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
Mike, It absolutely has nothing to do with throughput. It has to do with the scheduling mechanism of the MAC. The reason why 802.11x networks cant scale like this is the listen before talk protocol. Even basic polling doesn't work because the more subs you add, the more latency you add to the network. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Good efficiencies, not enough throughput per channel, however. In one thread in one list we have people complaining about not having enough bandwidth to serve their customers now much less next year or the next and in the other, we have people excited about an AP that only does 18 megabit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Not enough? You get 18 mbps in a 7 mhz channel Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base station, that only supports 30 subscribers. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I'm certainly interested in ptmp. The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. Take care leon Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
Many of us can't get away with that. We have to make sure that there's actually bandwidth, not a fancy, 'managed' version of severe oversubscription. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Mike, Many Wimax manufacturers have many operators who have more than 100 subs per AP. Our solution supports up to 30k pps, so it can most defintely scale to this level. The Wimax mac was designed for this, bandwidth aside. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base station, that only supports 30 subscribers. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I'm certainly interested in ptmp. The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. Take care leon Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
Sheesh. How many times must this misinformation be posted before the snake oil gets poured down the drain? The better MAC allows you to use a very high percentage of transmission time for actual data throughput, and it manages spreading bandwidth nicely among the oversubscribed. HOWEVER... If you built a 300mbit 802.11 PTMP system, you'd get about 120 total throughput. This means you're using massive amounts of spectrum, but the actual throughput would be higher than ANY WIMAX setup to date. This snake oil about the MAC supposedly violating physics and putting 36mbit through an 18 mbit pipe is nonsense.802.11 sucks because the MAC wastes well over 50% of the airtime doing nothing at all, has absolutely no means of managing bandwidth use or dividing use among the users. However, REAL THROUGHPUT IS REAL THROUGHPUT. If you have an 18 mbit WIMAX you can support 3 clients consuming a little less than 6 each. Add client #4 asking for 6mbit and the the other three MUST LOSE BANDWIDTH TO FEED IT. Get it? So, instead of just under 6 each, if they're all equal priority, all 4 get about 4. Duhh. That's it. You cannot violate physics. The MAC allows greater efficiency concerning airtime and modulation types improve throughput vs spectrum consumption. NOTHING VIOLATES THE LAWS OF PHYSICS. You cannot get 36 through an 18 knothole. Period. You guys are all WAY smarter than this, and it's about time the hype based on comparison of RADIO DATA RATES gets chucked down the toilet. None of us operate that way, and none of care a whit about radio data rates. We're all about real throughput and good management of our our required business model of oversubscription. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Mike, It absolutely has nothing to do with throughput. It has to do with the scheduling mechanism of the MAC. The reason why 802.11x networks cant scale like this is the listen before talk protocol. Even basic polling doesn't work because the more subs you add, the more latency you add to the network. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Good efficiencies, not enough throughput per channel, however. In one thread in one list we have people complaining about not having enough bandwidth to serve their customers now much less next year or the next and in the other, we have people excited about an AP that only does 18 megabit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Not enough? You get 18 mbps in a 7 mhz channel Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base station, that only supports 30 subscribers. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I'm certainly interested in ptmp. The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject:
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
Mike, There is nothing fancy about a switched MAC vs a polled or listen before talk mac. That has very little to do with QOS as much is does with utlizing the pipe appropriately. In a polled system the latency increases with the # of subscriber stations, same with a listen before talk.In a wimax system, the mean latency and customer experience remains the same whether or not there are 30 subs on an AP or 100. Why? Because an inactive subscriber is not polled, and active subscribers are given time slots to transmit / receive on a msec basis. - Jeff -Original Message- From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us [mailto:rea...@muddyfrogwater.us] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:24 PM To: jefftho...@fastmail.fm; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Many of us can't get away with that. We have to make sure that there's actually bandwidth, not a fancy, 'managed' version of severe oversubscription. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Mike, Many Wimax manufacturers have many operators who have more than 100 subs per AP. Our solution supports up to 30k pps, so it can most defintely scale to this level. The Wimax mac was designed for this, bandwidth aside. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base station, that only supports 30 subscribers. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I'm certainly interested in ptmp. The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. Take care leon Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
Mike, This once again is not an apples to apples argument but rather apples to rutabega. Still fruit, but very different fruit :) Correct the per AP bandwidth would be higher. However, try loading an 802.11x system with 100 subscribers. It will choke and the end user experience will be very bad. It would choke not from bandwidth, but from simple issues with the scheduler. I don't know of a single 802.11 based system that loads well to 100 plus subscriber stations. Considering Wimax can support these sort of subscriber totals, per sector in reality, from a spectral efficency standpoint, in 5.8ghz, on ONE tower you can support something in the neighboorhood of 240mb/sec in total base station capacity. ( 34 sectors/120mhz ). So yes, you cant sell many 6/6 pipes off this base station, but you can sell a heck of a lot of 1.5/1.5 mb pipes ( probably around 2400 subscribers ) FROM one tower location. Not to mention the stablity of Wimax, which is a lot more stable in modulation, error rate, latencythat it can support many many voice over ip connections. ( our product can support over 300 concurrent calls per sector ). Also im completely certain that by using a wider RF channel you increase the required CINR to achieve full modulation, while reducing your effective range. Wimax has an effective LOS Range @ peak modulation in 5.8ghz of 10 miles plus. So yes its expensive. But it definitely beats legacy systems in many different areas. What good is 300mb in throughput if you can only go 2 miles with it and the probability of interference is extremely high? On a 7mhz channel you can easily find open spectrum. I understand the business case issues with Wimax, and Aperto is probably one of the very few companies that is sensitive to this issue and is working diligently to find solutions that can meet customer needs, so that a residential business case can be met. We know that most customers can't afford a 20 month payback, there is no arugment there. Best Regards, _ Jeff Booher Sales Director, North America www.apertonet.com - -Original Message- From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us [mailto:rea...@muddyfrogwater.us] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:34 PM To: jefftho...@fastmail.fm; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Sheesh. How many times must this misinformation be posted before the snake oil gets poured down the drain? The better MAC allows you to use a very high percentage of transmission time for actual data throughput, and it manages spreading bandwidth nicely among the oversubscribed. HOWEVER... If you built a 300mbit 802.11 PTMP system, you'd get about 120 total throughput. This means you're using massive amounts of spectrum, but the actual throughput would be higher than ANY WIMAX setup to date. This snake oil about the MAC supposedly violating physics and putting 36mbit through an 18 mbit pipe is nonsense.802.11 sucks because the MAC wastes well over 50% of the airtime doing nothing at all, has absolutely no means of managing bandwidth use or dividing use among the users. However, REAL THROUGHPUT IS REAL THROUGHPUT. If you have an 18 mbit WIMAX you can support 3 clients consuming a little less than 6 each. Add client #4 asking for 6mbit and the the other three MUST LOSE BANDWIDTH TO FEED IT. Get it? So, instead of just under 6 each, if they're all equal priority, all 4 get about 4. Duhh. That's it. You cannot violate physics. The MAC allows greater efficiency concerning airtime and modulation types improve throughput vs spectrum consumption. NOTHING VIOLATES THE LAWS OF PHYSICS. You cannot get 36 through an 18 knothole. Period. You guys are all WAY smarter than this, and it's about time the hype based on comparison of RADIO DATA RATES gets chucked down the toilet. None of us operate that way, and none of care a whit about radio data rates. We're all about real throughput and good management of our our required business model of oversubscription. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Mike, It absolutely has nothing to do with throughput. It has to do with the scheduling mechanism of the MAC. The reason why 802.11x networks cant scale like this is the listen before talk protocol. Even basic polling doesn't work because the more subs you add, the more latency you add to the network. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Good efficiencies, not enough throughput per channel, however. In one thread in one list we have people complaining about not having enough bandwidth to serve
Re: [WISPA] Aerial / Self-Support Cat5
http://www.hyperline.com/catalog/cable/ftp4_s_sw_out.shtml Scott Reed wrote: Yes that is the correct terminology. I have not looked for that recently. In the several instances we have needed that, I have purchased steel aircraft cable and strung it as the messenger. Then we have loosely spiraled the cat5 around that. No worry about tape coming loose or wire ties pinching the wire and it does not droop, either. Jason Hensley wrote: Got an application where I need an aerial run from an AP on a light pole to a building - about 50ft or so. I've seen the aerial Cat5 with a messenger cable (is that the right terminology??) connected to it somewhere a year or so ago, but can't find it again. Anyone know if this is available? I've found fiber like this, but no Cat5/6. Have seen both terms - aerial and self-support Cat-5 used but neither search has been very helpful for me. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.19/2010 - Release Date: 03/18/09 20:27:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Aerial / Self-Support Cat5
I got carried away searching for cables I also found this, it says in stock: http://www.americantechsupply.com/chromatic_out.html Part Number-ATSK5E-1KSTP-CMXT- (SPEC SHEET) Aerial- UV Rated CAT 5e With Messenger- $ 169.00/1000 Feet We Also Carry OUTDOOR RATED PATCH CORDS! ATSK5E-1KSTP-CMXT- INSTOCK! $ 169.99 Per 1000 Foot Box-Part Number : ATSK5E-1KSTP-CMXT-UV Rated- ALUMINUM SHIELD CABLE- AERIAL CAT5E CABLE- Ideal For Roof to Roof- EMP- Light EMP Shielding- FOR USE ON CELL-RADIO TOWERS-Dependability you can trust! Our product is backed by 15 year warranty, satisfaction guaranteed-We Also Carry OUTDOOR RATED PATCH CORDS! Part Number ATSK5E-1KSTP-CMXT-CAT 5E SHIELDED - AERIAL- WITH MESSENGER-UV RATED Shielded CAT 5E OSP Rated Cable Part Number: ATSK5E-1KSTP-CMXT-UV Rated- ALUMINUM SHIELD CABLE - THIS CABLE IS NOT GEL FILLED AND IS DESIGNED TO USE IN BUILDING TO BUILDING EXTENTION OF TELEPHONE AND DATA ASERVICES SUCH AS DSL-BROADBAND- ETHERNET- CAN ALSO BE USED FOR ENVIRONMENTS WITH emp- electromagnetic pulse radiation- OR 'NOISY' AREAS THAT CAN INTERFERE WITH DATA AND OR TELEPHONE TRANSMISSION. Dependability you can trust! Our product is backed by 15 year warranty, satisfaction guaranteed Call Us Today At (866) 650-3282 (DATA) George Rogato wrote: http://www.hyperline.com/catalog/cable/ftp4_s_sw_out.shtml Scott Reed wrote: Yes that is the correct terminology. I have not looked for that recently. In the several instances we have needed that, I have purchased steel aircraft cable and strung it as the messenger. Then we have loosely spiraled the cat5 around that. No worry about tape coming loose or wire ties pinching the wire and it does not droop, either. Jason Hensley wrote: Got an application where I need an aerial run from an AP on a light pole to a building - about 50ft or so. I've seen the aerial Cat5 with a messenger cable (is that the right terminology??) connected to it somewhere a year or so ago, but can't find it again. Anyone know if this is available? I've found fiber like this, but no Cat5/6. Have seen both terms - aerial and self-support Cat-5 used but neither search has been very helpful for me. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.19/2010 - Release Date: 03/18/09 20:27:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
No worries. Only about half of my network is in the zone thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Pat O'Connor p...@inlandnet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Marlon I checked the map, and like me, Odessa is within the 150km satellite exclusion zone for the station located in Brewster. From what I've read you need to get their permission to operate anything in the 3.65GHz spectrum. I just applied for our 3.65GHz licnse so I haven't heard anything yet. If you want I have a .kmz file I can send you with the exclusion zone. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Thanks! marlon - Original Message - From: John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Marlon, I watched the tranzeo wimax 3.65 webinar a few weeks back. They have that pico base station for about $1700. I asked, and they said yes, it would work with an omni. I know everybody says don't use an omni, but maybe it would be OK on 3.65? I was curious because most of my grain legs would max out at 20 customers (due to trees). And I certainly wouldn't want to buy three sectors just to support 20 houses. They do have a starter kit that includes two(?) customer radios for free. I'm out of money for testing things, but let us know if you try it. -John PS - they can sync multiple base stations from a central server. On Mar 18, 2009, at 9:27 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
OK, tell me about yours. I'll need 20 to 40 users per tower. Many will likely have even fewer. In a FEW towns I might need up to 100 users but it'll be years before we hit that point. marlon - Original Message - From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base station, that only supports 30 subscribers. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I'm certainly interested in ptmp. The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. Take care leon Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
ONLY 18 megs of RELIABLE service would be awesome out here where some of my customers can't even get a meg due to all of the interference I have to deal with. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Good efficiencies, not enough throughput per channel, however. In one thread in one list we have people complaining about not having enough bandwidth to serve their customers now much less next year or the next and in the other, we have people excited about an AP that only does 18 megabit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Not enough? You get 18 mbps in a 7 mhz channel Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base station, that only supports 30 subscribers. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I'm certainly interested in ptmp. The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. Take care leon Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Aerial / Self-Support Cat5
WOW! You realize you can use the messenger as a ground right? I have been looking for this stuff for a while. ryan D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com On Mar 19, 2009, at 6:25 PM, George Rogato wrote: I got carried away searching for cables I also found this, it says in stock: http://www.americantechsupply.com/chromatic_out.html Part Number-ATSK5E-1KSTP-CMXT- (SPEC SHEET) Aerial- UV Rated CAT 5e With Messenger- $ 169.00/1000 Feet We Also Carry OUTDOOR RATED PATCH CORDS! ATSK5E-1KSTP-CMXT- INSTOCK! $ 169.99 Per 1000 Foot Box-Part Number : ATSK5E-1KSTP-CMXT-UV Rated- ALUMINUM SHIELD CABLE- AERIAL CAT5E CABLE- Ideal For Roof to Roof- EMP- Light EMP Shielding- FOR USE ON CELL- RADIO TOWERS-Dependability you can trust! Our product is backed by 15 year warranty, satisfaction guaranteed-We Also Carry OUTDOOR RATED PATCH CORDS! Part Number ATSK5E-1KSTP-CMXT-CAT 5E SHIELDED - AERIAL- WITH MESSENGER-UV RATED Shielded CAT 5E OSP Rated Cable Part Number: ATSK5E-1KSTP-CMXT-UV Rated- ALUMINUM SHIELD CABLE - THIS CABLE IS NOT GEL FILLED AND IS DESIGNED TO USE IN BUILDING TO BUILDING EXTENTION OF TELEPHONE AND DATA ASERVICES SUCH AS DSL-BROADBAND- ETHERNET- CAN ALSO BE USED FOR ENVIRONMENTS WITH emp- electromagnetic pulse radiation- OR 'NOISY' AREAS THAT CAN INTERFERE WITH DATA AND OR TELEPHONE TRANSMISSION. Dependability you can trust! Our product is backed by 15 year warranty, satisfaction guaranteed Call Us Today At (866) 650-3282 (DATA) George Rogato wrote: http://www.hyperline.com/catalog/cable/ftp4_s_sw_out.shtml Scott Reed wrote: Yes that is the correct terminology. I have not looked for that recently. In the several instances we have needed that, I have purchased steel aircraft cable and strung it as the messenger. Then we have loosely spiraled the cat5 around that. No worry about tape coming loose or wire ties pinching the wire and it does not droop, either. Jason Hensley wrote: Got an application where I need an aerial run from an AP on a light pole to a building - about 50ft or so. I've seen the aerial Cat5 with a messenger cable (is that the right terminology??) connected to it somewhere a year or so ago, but can't find it again. Anyone know if this is available? I've found fiber like this, but no Cat5/6. Have seen both terms - aerial and self-support Cat-5 used but neither search has been very helpful for me. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.19/2010 - Release Date: 03/18/09 20:27:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Aerial / Self-Support Cat5
wow...this is first time I have seen anything like this. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 8:25 PM, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote: I got carried away searching for cables I also found this, it says in stock: http://www.americantechsupply.com/chromatic_out.html Part Number-ATSK5E-1KSTP-CMXT- (SPEC SHEET) Aerial- UV Rated CAT 5e With Messenger- $ 169.00/1000 Feet We Also Carry OUTDOOR RATED PATCH CORDS! ATSK5E-1KSTP-CMXT- INSTOCK! $ 169.99 Per 1000 Foot Box-Part Number : ATSK5E-1KSTP-CMXT-UV Rated- ALUMINUM SHIELD CABLE- AERIAL CAT5E CABLE- Ideal For Roof to Roof- EMP- Light EMP Shielding- FOR USE ON CELL-RADIO TOWERS-Dependability you can trust! Our product is backed by 15 year warranty, satisfaction guaranteed-We Also Carry OUTDOOR RATED PATCH CORDS! Part Number ATSK5E-1KSTP-CMXT-CAT 5E SHIELDED - AERIAL- WITH MESSENGER-UV RATED Shielded CAT 5E OSP Rated Cable Part Number: ATSK5E-1KSTP-CMXT-UV Rated- ALUMINUM SHIELD CABLE - THIS CABLE IS NOT GEL FILLED AND IS DESIGNED TO USE IN BUILDING TO BUILDING EXTENTION OF TELEPHONE AND DATA ASERVICES SUCH AS DSL-BROADBAND- ETHERNET- CAN ALSO BE USED FOR ENVIRONMENTS WITH emp- electromagnetic pulse radiation- OR 'NOISY' AREAS THAT CAN INTERFERE WITH DATA AND OR TELEPHONE TRANSMISSION. Dependability you can trust! Our product is backed by 15 year warranty, satisfaction guaranteed Call Us Today At (866) 650-3282 (DATA) George Rogato wrote: http://www.hyperline.com/catalog/cable/ftp4_s_sw_out.shtml Scott Reed wrote: Yes that is the correct terminology. I have not looked for that recently. In the several instances we have needed that, I have purchased steel aircraft cable and strung it as the messenger. Then we have loosely spiraled the cat5 around that. No worry about tape coming loose or wire ties pinching the wire and it does not droop, either. Jason Hensley wrote: Got an application where I need an aerial run from an AP on a light pole to a building - about 50ft or so. I've seen the aerial Cat5 with a messenger cable (is that the right terminology??) connected to it somewhere a year or so ago, but can't find it again. Anyone know if this is available? I've found fiber like this, but no Cat5/6. Have seen both terms - aerial and self-support Cat-5 used but neither search has been very helpful for me. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.19/2010 - Release Date: 03/18/09 20:27:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Aerial / Self-Support Cat5
Also note that you should buy a strand vise for each end of the messenger cable for mounting to an eye hook or something similar Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:58:05 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Aerial / Self-Support Cat5 WOW! You realize you can use the messenger as a ground right? I have been looking for this stuff for a while. ryan D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com On Mar 19, 2009, at 6:25 PM, George Rogato wrote: I got carried away searching for cables I also found this, it says in stock: http://www.americantechsupply.com/chromatic_out.html Part Number-ATSK5E-1KSTP-CMXT- (SPEC SHEET) Aerial- UV Rated CAT 5e With Messenger- $ 169.00/1000 Feet We Also Carry OUTDOOR RATED PATCH CORDS! ATSK5E-1KSTP-CMXT- INSTOCK! $ 169.99 Per 1000 Foot Box-Part Number : ATSK5E-1KSTP-CMXT-UV Rated- ALUMINUM SHIELD CABLE- AERIAL CAT5E CABLE- Ideal For Roof to Roof- EMP- Light EMP Shielding- FOR USE ON CELL- RADIO TOWERS-Dependability you can trust! Our product is backed by 15 year warranty, satisfaction guaranteed-We Also Carry OUTDOOR RATED PATCH CORDS! Part Number ATSK5E-1KSTP-CMXT-CAT 5E SHIELDED - AERIAL- WITH MESSENGER-UV RATED Shielded CAT 5E OSP Rated Cable Part Number: ATSK5E-1KSTP-CMXT-UV Rated- ALUMINUM SHIELD CABLE - THIS CABLE IS NOT GEL FILLED AND IS DESIGNED TO USE IN BUILDING TO BUILDING EXTENTION OF TELEPHONE AND DATA ASERVICES SUCH AS DSL-BROADBAND- ETHERNET- CAN ALSO BE USED FOR ENVIRONMENTS WITH emp- electromagnetic pulse radiation- OR 'NOISY' AREAS THAT CAN INTERFERE WITH DATA AND OR TELEPHONE TRANSMISSION. Dependability you can trust! Our product is backed by 15 year warranty, satisfaction guaranteed Call Us Today At (866) 650-3282 (DATA) George Rogato wrote: http://www.hyperline.com/catalog/cable/ftp4_s_sw_out.shtml Scott Reed wrote: Yes that is the correct terminology. I have not looked for that recently. In the several instances we have needed that, I have purchased steel aircraft cable and strung it as the messenger. Then we have loosely spiraled the cat5 around that. No worry about tape coming loose or wire ties pinching the wire and it does not droop, either. Jason Hensley wrote: Got an application where I need an aerial run from an AP on a light pole to a building - about 50ft or so. I've seen the aerial Cat5 with a messenger cable (is that the right terminology??) connected to it somewhere a year or so ago, but can't find it again. Anyone know if this is available? I've found fiber like this, but no Cat5/6. Have seen both terms - aerial and self-support Cat-5 used but neither search has been very helpful for me. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.19/2010 - Release Date: 03/18/09 20:27:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
I think you may be missing a couple of variables in the multivariable equation that determines the actual throughput a client can achieve in a given time slice. When comparing access systems one must understand the differences between the capabilities provided by the systems and their result on these variables. You harp on throughput when the reality is that ISPs don't sell throughput; they sell capacity. The throughput of any given flow is variable based on a variety variables including RTT and congestion. Most applications that end users care about are TCP based, which means TCP's congestion algorithm comes into play most often. One important aspect of a TCP flow is slow start, which causes flows initially to have throughput less than the capacity of the transport layer. Considering that much of real world traffic never has time to get up to full speed, the capacity is rarely full utilized. However, when multiple flows operate on the same access layer at the same time all slow starting you are able get more efficient use of your capacity. Unfortunately, most end users simply do not have enough flows operating at the same time lasting long enough to fully utilize all of their capacity. The unused capacity is what allows for oversubscription. In other words, by sharing the capacity across a large enough number of end users you can get more efficient utilization of the overall available capacity. Now the above may be nothing new to most of us, but how easily we forget that we sell capacity and leverage our client's inability to use all of that capacity because their throughput rarely achieves what is available capacity wise. This means we need access systems that very efficiently multiplex flows from an arbitrary number of end users. It is not about getting more throughput than the overall capacity of the system; it is about efficiently delivery the maximum available throughput when the end user actually needs it. Your basic 802.11 wireless system does not efficiently share capacity across multiple stations, which results in stranded capacity. Compare this to a WiMAX system that is extremely efficient at sharing capacity across all connected stations. No system can allow the aggregate throughput of all stations to exceed the total capacity of the system, which would violate the law of physics. In the real world, end users can't use all of their capacity all of the time. Therefore, the more efficiently you can share that capacity across multiple users the more users you can support on a given system without negatively impacting their throughput when they need it. Comparing a WiMAX system to a Wi-Fi system you will always find the following: * The WiMAX station will have a better signal-to-noise ratio * The better signal-to-noise ratio will allow the WiMAX station to operate at a higher modulation with less ARQs * The higher modulation with less ARQs will allow greater throughput per Mhz * The greater throughput reduces the number of time slots needed to complete a flow * The greater number of available time slots allows for more stations to participate -Matt On Mar 19, 2009, at 8:34 PM, rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Sheesh. How many times must this misinformation be posted before the snake oil gets poured down the drain? The better MAC allows you to use a very high percentage of transmission time for actual data throughput, and it manages spreading bandwidth nicely among the oversubscribed. HOWEVER... If you built a 300mbit 802.11 PTMP system, you'd get about 120 total throughput. This means you're using massive amounts of spectrum, but the actual throughput would be higher than ANY WIMAX setup to date. This snake oil about the MAC supposedly violating physics and putting 36mbit through an 18 mbit pipe is nonsense.802.11 sucks because the MAC wastes well over 50% of the airtime doing nothing at all, has absolutely no means of managing bandwidth use or dividing use among the users. However, REAL THROUGHPUT IS REAL THROUGHPUT. If you have an 18 mbit WIMAX you can support 3 clients consuming a little less than 6 each. Add client #4 asking for 6mbit and the the other three MUST LOSE BANDWIDTH TO FEED IT. Get it? So, instead of just under 6 each, if they're all equal priority, all 4 get about 4. Duhh. That's it. You cannot violate physics. The MAC allows greater efficiency concerning airtime and modulation types improve throughput vs spectrum consumption. NOTHING VIOLATES THE LAWS OF PHYSICS. You cannot get 36 through an 18 knothole. Period. You guys are all WAY smarter than this, and it's about time the hype based on comparison of RADIO DATA RATES gets chucked down the toilet. None of us operate that way, and none of care a whit about radio data rates. We're all about real throughput and good management of our our
[WISPA] 2.4ghz wattmeter
Does anyone have any experience with a Bird 43 wattmeter at 2.4ghz? I have the bird 43 and am considering buying the 1 watt slug for it. This thing is going to measure the average power instead of the peak power. Should the Bird 43P (peak and avg) wattmeter be better suited for this application since it can measure the peak wattage? I just don't know what I need to be measuring in the WIFI application, the peak or average??? http://birdtechnologies.thomasnet.com/viewitems/wattmeters-and-line-sections /portable-wattmeters? http://birdtechnologies.thomasnet.com/viewitems/wattmeters-and-line-section s/portable-wattmeters?forward=1 forward=1 Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2.4ghz wattmeter
Problem with wifi stuff is it doesn't transmit if it don't have anything to say. So average measurement isn't that great since it will be based on you traffic how high the average is. You will be more interested in your peak since at least most wifi are predictable and the peak is what it transmits at and is what is interesting. Berkley Varitronics has their butterflies that are great testing instruments for an affordable price to measure output power. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:46:37 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 2.4ghz wattmeter Does anyone have any experience with a Bird 43 wattmeter at 2.4ghz? I have the bird 43 and am considering buying the 1 watt slug for it. This thing is going to measure the average power instead of the peak power. Should the Bird 43P (peak and avg) wattmeter be better suited for this application since it can measure the peak wattage? I just don't know what I need to be measuring in the WIFI application, the peak or average??? http://birdtechnologies.thomasnet.com/viewitems/wattmeters-and-line-sections /portable-wattmeters? http://birdtechnologies.thomasnet.com/viewitems/wattmeters-and-line-section s/portable-wattmeters?forward=1 forward=1 Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
Jeff Booher wrote: Mike, This once again is not an apples to apples argument but rather apples to rutabega. Still fruit, but very different fruit :) I thought a rutabega was a vegitable. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2.4ghz wattmeter
How about if I did a bandwidth test while measuring the power. The meter is analog and the needle doesn't move that fast so if its constantly TX/RX'ing I'm thinking it should stay pretty flat. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2.4ghz wattmeter Problem with wifi stuff is it doesn't transmit if it don't have anything to say. So average measurement isn't that great since it will be based on you traffic how high the average is. You will be more interested in your peak since at least most wifi are predictable and the peak is what it transmits at and is what is interesting. Berkley Varitronics has their butterflies that are great testing instruments for an affordable price to measure output power. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:46:37 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 2.4ghz wattmeter Does anyone have any experience with a Bird 43 wattmeter at 2.4ghz? I have the bird 43 and am considering buying the 1 watt slug for it. This thing is going to measure the average power instead of the peak power. Should the Bird 43P (peak and avg) wattmeter be better suited for this application since it can measure the peak wattage? I just don't know what I need to be measuring in the WIFI application, the peak or average??? http://birdtechnologies.thomasnet.com/viewitems/wattmeters-and-line-sections /portable-wattmeters? http://birdtechnologies.thomasnet.com/viewitems/wattmeters-and-line-section s/portable-wattmeters?forward=1 forward=1 Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
When my son was 6 he would not eat pork chops simply because he never had tried them. He is 15 now and absolutely loves pork chops, grilled ribs etc. It did take him till he was 13 before he tried them. I am a firm believer you can't make kids eat anything they don't want to eat. Mike, Have you tried WiMAX yet? If so how and with whom? John Rock Director of Operations - Senior Engineer Wireless Connections 166 Milan Ave., Norwalk, Oh. 44857 ACCessing the Future Today!! ofc. 419.660.6100 cell 419-706-7356 fax 419-668-4077 http://www.wirelessconnections.net This transmission and any files attached to it, may contain confidential and/or privileged information and intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, retransmission, dissemination, disclosure, copying or any use of the information or files contained is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete this electronic mail. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I am happy for you in your business, that's why I try to connect you with other WISPs as often as I can. However, I started my company because I didn't have broadband at my house. My neighbor didn't have broadband. I sure as hell wasn't going to pay $500/month for it. WiMAX certainly has its places, but residential broadband isn't one of them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Maybe the equipment isn't the problem then. -Matt On Mar 19, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: You're not going to get that in the residential market, which is where most of us compete. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:39 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? We are seeing around $500 ARPU and on average 6 customers deployed per 7Mhz channel with our RedMax basestations. I see no reason to complain. -Matt On Mar 19, 2009, at 2:33 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Good efficiencies, not enough throughput per channel, however. In one thread in one list we have people complaining about not having enough bandwidth to serve their customers now much less next year or the next and in the other, we have people excited about an AP that only does 18 megabit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Not enough? You get 18 mbps in a 7 mhz channel Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base station, that only supports 30 subscribers. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I'm certainly interested in ptmp. The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
I have not because no one has convinced me that 15 customers can watch online video at the same time. Over 20% of my subscriber base watches online video from NetFlix, Blockbuster, ABC, NBC, etc. Why would I spend $5k+ on an AP that would serve them less than my $250 AP does now? I sure could put 2400 people on 18 megabit if it was 2001, but it is 2009, sorry. BTW: You certainly can make kids eat what they don't want. After I sat at the table for 4 hours hungry, I picked up whatever it was in front of me and ate it. Eat what mom prepared or don't eat at all. I am a big boy now and eat what I choose, and because I was forced to eat what was in front of me when I was young, there's very little I won't eat. I'm not sure how that works into your story, but do it as you see fit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: John Rock jo...@wirelessconnections.net Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:03 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? When my son was 6 he would not eat pork chops simply because he never had tried them. He is 15 now and absolutely loves pork chops, grilled ribs etc. It did take him till he was 13 before he tried them. I am a firm believer you can't make kids eat anything they don't want to eat. Mike, Have you tried WiMAX yet? If so how and with whom? John Rock Director of Operations - Senior Engineer Wireless Connections 166 Milan Ave., Norwalk, Oh. 44857 ACCessing the Future Today!! ofc. 419.660.6100 cell 419-706-7356 fax 419-668-4077 http://www.wirelessconnections.net This transmission and any files attached to it, may contain confidential and/or privileged information and intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, retransmission, dissemination, disclosure, copying or any use of the information or files contained is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete this electronic mail. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I am happy for you in your business, that's why I try to connect you with other WISPs as often as I can. However, I started my company because I didn't have broadband at my house. My neighbor didn't have broadband. I sure as hell wasn't going to pay $500/month for it. WiMAX certainly has its places, but residential broadband isn't one of them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Maybe the equipment isn't the problem then. -Matt On Mar 19, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: You're not going to get that in the residential market, which is where most of us compete. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:39 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? We are seeing around $500 ARPU and on average 6 customers deployed per 7Mhz channel with our RedMax basestations. I see no reason to complain. -Matt On Mar 19, 2009, at 2:33 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Good efficiencies, not enough throughput per channel, however. In one thread in one list we have people complaining about not having enough bandwidth to serve their customers now much less next year or the next and in the other, we have people excited about an AP that only does 18 megabit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Not enough? You get 18 mbps in a 7 mhz channel Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
Hey reader you are muddying the waters a bit here. I thought the days were over when people thought they could put up one base station and serve a 1000 square miles or worse put up one base station and server a 1000 customers. I have a customer in Canada that serves 12 Mb out to 45 kilometers via WiMAX, LOS of course. John Rock Director of Operations - Senior Engineer Wireless Connections 166 Milan Ave., Norwalk, Oh. 44857 ACCessing the Future Today!! ofc. 419.660.6100 cell 419-706-7356 fax 419-668-4077 http://www.wirelessconnections.net This transmission and any files attached to it, may contain confidential and/or privileged information and intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, retransmission, dissemination, disclosure, copying or any use of the information or files contained is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete this electronic mail. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I can get 12 to 18 mbit off my 5 ghz AP's, and with customers limited to 2Mbit, I'm still bumping into limits in the 30 - 45 range per AP, and even then, I consider it oversubscribed. Now, 18mbit throughput in 7 mhz is great... But how good does the signal have to be, and when the signals degrade due to distance or... How much effect does this have? What's the distance you can do 18? 2 miles? 4 miles? I need 25 miles... I can't even GO 25 miles decently with 3.65, due to eirp limits. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Good efficiencies, not enough throughput per channel, however. In one thread in one list we have people complaining about not having enough bandwidth to serve their customers now much less next year or the next and in the other, we have people excited about an AP that only does 18 megabit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Not enough? You get 18 mbps in a 7 mhz channel Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base station, that only supports 30 subscribers. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I'm certainly interested in ptmp. The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. Take care leon Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
Who says I'm happy with the status quo of 1.5 or even 6 meg? BTW: muddyfrogwater != Me Yes, WiMAX is technically better than WiFi, but who says I'm talking about WiFi? If there was a non-crippled WiMAX AP that supported reasonable amounts of bandwidth (40 at a minimum - say with a 20 MHz channel) and was available for $2000 or so, I'd be interested. There isn't nor will there be any time soon, so I'll pass on WiMAX. I just wish Company A would finish their product already so I can actually make product references in my arguments assuming what they say is even half true... and yes they are a company that's been around a few years. I don't want to be a me too or a last resort. I want to lead the pack. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:12 PM To: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Mike, This once again is not an apples to apples argument but rather apples to rutabega. Still fruit, but very different fruit :) Correct the per AP bandwidth would be higher. However, try loading an 802.11x system with 100 subscribers. It will choke and the end user experience will be very bad. It would choke not from bandwidth, but from simple issues with the scheduler. I don't know of a single 802.11 based system that loads well to 100 plus subscriber stations. Considering Wimax can support these sort of subscriber totals, per sector in reality, from a spectral efficency standpoint, in 5.8ghz, on ONE tower you can support something in the neighboorhood of 240mb/sec in total base station capacity. ( 34 sectors/120mhz ). So yes, you cant sell many 6/6 pipes off this base station, but you can sell a heck of a lot of 1.5/1.5 mb pipes ( probably around 2400 subscribers ) FROM one tower location. Not to mention the stablity of Wimax, which is a lot more stable in modulation, error rate, latencythat it can support many many voice over ip connections. ( our product can support over 300 concurrent calls per sector ). Also im completely certain that by using a wider RF channel you increase the required CINR to achieve full modulation, while reducing your effective range. Wimax has an effective LOS Range @ peak modulation in 5.8ghz of 10 miles plus. So yes its expensive. But it definitely beats legacy systems in many different areas. What good is 300mb in throughput if you can only go 2 miles with it and the probability of interference is extremely high? On a 7mhz channel you can easily find open spectrum. I understand the business case issues with Wimax, and Aperto is probably one of the very few companies that is sensitive to this issue and is working diligently to find solutions that can meet customer needs, so that a residential business case can be met. We know that most customers can't afford a 20 month payback, there is no arugment there. Best Regards, _ Jeff Booher Sales Director, North America www.apertonet.com - -Original Message- From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us [mailto:rea...@muddyfrogwater.us] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:34 PM To: jefftho...@fastmail.fm; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Sheesh. How many times must this misinformation be posted before the snake oil gets poured down the drain? The better MAC allows you to use a very high percentage of transmission time for actual data throughput, and it manages spreading bandwidth nicely among the oversubscribed. HOWEVER... If you built a 300mbit 802.11 PTMP system, you'd get about 120 total throughput. This means you're using massive amounts of spectrum, but the actual throughput would be higher than ANY WIMAX setup to date. This snake oil about the MAC supposedly violating physics and putting 36mbit through an 18 mbit pipe is nonsense.802.11 sucks because the MAC wastes well over 50% of the airtime doing nothing at all, has absolutely no means of managing bandwidth use or dividing use among the users. However, REAL THROUGHPUT IS REAL THROUGHPUT. If you have an 18 mbit WIMAX you can support 3 clients consuming a little less than 6 each. Add client #4 asking for 6mbit and the the other three MUST LOSE BANDWIDTH TO FEED IT. Get it? So, instead of just under 6 each, if they're all equal priority, all 4 get about 4. Duhh. That's it. You cannot violate physics. The MAC allows greater efficiency concerning airtime and modulation types improve throughput vs spectrum consumption. NOTHING VIOLATES THE LAWS OF PHYSICS. You cannot get 36 through an 18 knothole. Period. You guys are all WAY smarter than this, and it's about time the hype based on comparison of RADIO DATA RATES gets chucked down the toilet. None of us operate that way, and none
