Re: [WISPA] router to load balance 2 wan connections
These types of questions make my back-fat tingle... hehehe The BSD route is the cheapest and still works great, in my small environment. You can do what this gentleman is doing but with bandwidth shaping with dummynet. I think that it can get a bit tricky when figuring out the right bucket size, however, I was managing bandwidth for roughly 80 users, and an internet cafe that was supplying the second satelite in Iraq with a P4, 256MB ram, and 10GB hard drive in a rackmount enclosure and two satellites for second tier provisioning. Of course this was not in the 20mb/s range, but the band-shaping policies worked flawlessly. I symmetrically shaped each user, and wrote a script to manage unused pipes if they did not die quickly enough. Of course this was a build of necessity, due to the environment and lack of easily procurable cisco stuff, but if I had instituted Asterisk, then I would have had the same functionality of a cisco 3800, possibly. Ahhh Fun times And then I got shot in the left check like Forest. Still pretty fun though... hehehe Sorry if this is too much of an amateur solution for you big guys out there, but I just love my BSD I also build into the system a kill switch, for those times when we were on black-outs due to something urgent, like a death needing to be disseminated to the family members prior to a video tribute reaching YouTube, or something like that. Worked out pretty nice, and I am still using the same design this minute. On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 02:28 -0400, George Rogato wrote: Not sure about load balancing, as for policy routing, thats easy. We do that with a bsd box. I would assume all the routers, imagestream, MT, Star, Cisco, etc etc. can handle various wans with policy routing. We just haven't done our router upgrade yet and handle ours on an older bsd box. George Alan Long wrote: I am looking for a router to load balance 2 wan connections and support 450 users behind the router. I will be bringing in 2 external circuits from different providers and want to be able to use both. Any have any experience with gear to handle this? http://www.aerowire.net Alan Long Director of Network Operations Aerowire http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmapaddr=687+North+Dean+Roadcsz=Aubu rn%2C+AL+36830country=us 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830 mailto:alan.l...@aerowire.net alan.l...@aerowire.net tel: mobile: http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=3342759998E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 3342759998 http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=336092E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 336092 https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30065206883src=client_sig_212_1_card_joini nvite=1=en Always have my latest info http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_card_sig=en Want a signature like this? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs
Maybe it uses GPS sync? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Travis, One of the limits with 3650 WiMax is that we have our three channels of 15mbps each. What is the deal with Clearwire 2.5G spectrum? How wide are their channels? Do they also jsut have 25mhz of spectrum per cell, limited to (7 Mhz) 15-18mbps sectors max? At the conference today (State of Mobility), there was a lot of support suggesting LTE becoming the dominant standard world wide for carriers. Anyone know how much channel width the carriers have in the US for LTE? Is taht what Verizon is going to use for 700Mhz? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs When there are 3 or 4 other wireless providers, cable, and two DSL providers, as well as 5 fiber-optic providers, the numbers don't add up. They are using Alvarion 2.5ghz licensed, and they are still having to roll a truck and do an outdoor install on a large percentage of their customers. I heard CPE was $400 each and they are doing free installs right now. And their network is awful... I have one of their modems for testing, and the latency is between 60-100ms and speeds are all over the place from minute to minute. It's funny, because I just got a call today from a current BridgeMaxx customer that is ready to pull her hair out. They are trying to run a small business (5 computers) and most of the time they can't connect at all. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: From what I heard Digital Bridge has a very well performing network. The question is not whether the spent $100, it should be, how many of those 50,000 will their network and market competition allow them to serve? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: sc...@brevardwireless.com ; WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Yup and the next one (not as big as Clearwire) is BridgeMaxx, also called Digital Bridge Communications. They blew through investor money like it was falling from the sky... spending almost $1,000,000 just on the infrastructure equipment (backhauls, AP's, routers, etc.) to cover a city of 50,000 population. Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Wireless AOL lol Thats good news for us... It was obvious long ago this was a take the investors money and run mission Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Nothing could ever possibly worse then AOL. Could it..? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Doug Ratcliffe do...@dwwfl.com wrote: Clearwire would list coverage available and even if you called to cancel the day after you took your modem home for poor service, they would send out a tech, and even stick your modem in a plastic bag, hanging outside your window 100 feet across your house just to say it works and you wouldn't be allowed to terminate. If you complained about the wire, they would sell you HomePlug powerline adapters, or sell you a wireless router. It was worse than cancelling AOL, even worse than the cell phone companies. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire being sued for poor service, ETFs Clearwire isn't always on? I bet these are customers that outside of the coverage zone... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37150.php Customers in four states are filing suit against Clearwire for false-advertising, and to get out of paying ETFs. They advertised
[WISPA] SALES LEAD: GA
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[WISPA] 1 AP and 2 antennas
Hi, I would like to set up 2 antennas (East and West more or less) but will not get more than 30 subs between the 2. I would like to connect both antennas to one AP. Normally, I would not even dream of doing this. However this is a small valey with low interferance. And all the subs will be very clse, peobably less than a quarter mile from the AP. I am planning to use 900MHz for this. So I guess this would be a device that would connect to the AP with one COAX and then connect to each antenna with a COAX. So, 3 N connectors. Has any of you done this, did you have success, and what is the device called, and where would I get it? Thank you, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 1 AP and 2 antennas
When you use a splitter you loose 3dB in signal (hal you power since it's being split). If that is ok then you could do so. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Adam Goodman Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 1 AP and 2 antennas Sent: Apr 24, 2009 08:49 Hi, I would like to set up 2 antennas (East and West more or less) but will not get more than 30 subs between the 2. I would like to connect both antennas to one AP. Normally, I would not even dream of doing this. However this is a small valey with low interferance. And all the subs will be very clse, peobably less than a quarter mile from the AP. I am planning to use 900MHz for this. So I guess this would be a device that would connect to the AP with one COAX and then connect to each antenna with a COAX. So, 3 N connectors. Has any of you done this, did you have success, and what is the device called, and where would I get it? Thank you, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 1 AP and 2 antennas
Device would be called a splitter/combiner. Just remember, power to each antenna will be 1/2 of the output of the radio. Adam Goodman wrote: Hi, I would like to set up 2 antennas (East and West more or less) but will not get more than 30 subs between the 2. I would like to connect both antennas to one AP. Normally, I would not even dream of doing this. However this is a small valey with low interferance. And all the subs will be very clse, peobably less than a quarter mile from the AP. I am planning to use 900MHz for this. So I guess this would be a device that would connect to the AP with one COAX and then connect to each antenna with a COAX. So, 3 N connectors. Has any of you done this, did you have success, and what is the device called, and where would I get it? Thank you, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.4/2078 - Release Date: 04/24/09 07:54:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Trango 900
Anybody have some Trango 900 SU's used or new they are willing to sell. Looking for 5 or so. Contact me offlist. -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 1 AP and 2 antennas
Thanks guys. Loosing 3db is probably not an issue since I was going to lower the tx power anyway doe to the distance to the subs. found this for $50. says its good for 0-6ghz. does it need to be tuned to a specific freq? http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=20865 Now all I need to do is test and see how it works out. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com wrote: Hi, I would like to set up 2 antennas (East and West more or less) but will not get more than 30 subs between the 2. I would like to connect both antennas to one AP. Normally, I would not even dream of doing this. However this is a small valey with low interferance. And all the subs will be very clse, peobably less than a quarter mile from the AP. I am planning to use 900MHz for this. So I guess this would be a device that would connect to the AP with one COAX and then connect to each antenna with a COAX. So, 3 N connectors. Has any of you done this, did you have success, and what is the device called, and where would I get it? Thank you, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors
No. Scriv On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com wrote: John, Is this with diversity antennas? Chuck On Apr 23, 2009, at 4:41 PM, John Scrivner wrote: I was not saying you CANNOT possibly do that distance. It was being referenced as a typical cell radius spec for discussion here and frankly that is unrealistic. I find that everyone in roughly a quarter mile radius can get our 3650 WiMax service regardless of terrain and obstacles in the way. It will penetrate a forest at that distance from my experience. Beyond that you need at least partial LOS. After about 1.5 miles radius you better have good LOS out to as far as you wish to set your timing to allow for proper ACK signaling. I think we have ours set to about 6 miles max or so. Our longest CPE connection distance is about 3/4 of a mile right now. The WiMax service runs flawlessly. We have it positioned as a top of the line service for our leased line style customers. One of them bought both leased line and WiMax from us. We nearly doubled our monthly ARPU on that one. :-) It took 3 customers to pay for our WiMax installation here with an 18 month payout. We sold those in the first 2 months. That is not too shabby! :-) Scriv On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I can do almost 20 km with 5 GHz, why can't I with 3650? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:32 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Thanks for the compliment Daniel, but please God, let's not have anyone thinking they can build a 30 km radius cell with our stuff or anyone's stuff in WiMAX. I don't care if you can see your dog running away for three days it is so flat and the sun always shines and the wind is always at your back -- I know of no PMP situation where such a cell should ever be built. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile Thanks Patrick. It took me a long time to get past the original snake oil mentality of WiMax proponents when they were claiming 70 megabits out 70 miles. I went through a phase of being dead set against WiMax because I thought the culture lacked integrity over all the false hype. Then I began reading the real story of what made 802.16 technology tick. The more I read the more I decided that it really is a sound technology. I eventually bought a system from Redline and have been quite happy with the results. It is nice to be able to go into my higher end business customers and tell them I can deliver more for their money through the air than cable and DSL can bring to the table. That is TRUE. The service flows capability alone make WiMax worth the extra bucks. Now fast forward to this thread. I have seen my WiMax vendor of choice bashed by another vendor rep. I have seen the same person claiming 20 to 30km sized cells in 3650 which is not a reasonable expectation. It makes me sick to my stomach. We should expect that people will act with respect and integrity on industry list servers. Let's straighten up folks. Scriv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] 1 AP and 2 antennas
One thing you need to be careful of is both pieces of coax need to be tuned to the proper length so that the antennas are in-phase with each other. Otherwise you will have multiple signals hitting the receivers of your clients and AP at different times. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 1 AP and 2 antennas Thanks guys. Loosing 3db is probably not an issue since I was going to lower the tx power anyway doe to the distance to the subs. found this for $50. says its good for 0-6ghz. does it need to be tuned to a specific freq? http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=20865 Now all I need to do is test and see how it works out. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com wrote: Hi, I would like to set up 2 antennas (East and West more or less) but will not get more than 30 subs between the 2. I would like to connect both antennas to one AP. Normally, I would not even dream of doing this. However this is a small valey with low interferance. And all the subs will be very clse, peobably less than a quarter mile from the AP. I am planning to use 900MHz for this. So I guess this would be a device that would connect to the AP with one COAX and then connect to each antenna with a COAX. So, 3 N connectors. Has any of you done this, did you have success, and what is the device called, and where would I get it? Thank you, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mikrotik question
I was playing around on one of our wireless interfaces and couldn't help but notice the options in the wireless tab for: Default AP Tx Rate: And Default Client TX Rate: Any insight on what this does? I couldn't seem to find much info on it. Thanks, Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Can a village levy a tax on my AP's?
Income tax or personal property tax? Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect -Original Message- From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:09:15 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can a village levy a tax on my AP's? I would suggest taking this up with your attorney. Scriv On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I recently set up an AP on a nearby village's water tower and they are now sending me income tax papers saying I need file with their village. Our office is not in their village and I don't live in their village so I see no reason for filing. The only thing that ties me to them is the lone AP on their water tower. I am on 3 other city's water tower's in the same area and none of them have said anything about filing with them. The contract between the village and I states nothing about taxes or exchange of money for using the tower. 1 - Is income derived from clients residing in the village limits taxable as income? 2 - What about income derived from clients residing outside the village limits but running off the AP in the village limits? 3 - Even if so, why do the other ISP's that provide service to residents in the village not have to file income tax to this village? 4 - By filing income within the village I would technically be paying tax on income from all my towers generating revenue that have nothing to do with their tower. As far as I know there is no ordinance regarding internet service within the village in any way. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Can a village levy a tax on my AP's?
If a town , county , village is authorized to levy Personal Property taxes under their state law they can tax you. AL Schneider -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Aaron D. Osgood Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can a village levy a tax on my AP's? Income tax or personal property tax? Sent from my BlackBerry(r) smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect -Original Message- From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:09:15 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can a village levy a tax on my AP's? I would suggest taking this up with your attorney. Scriv On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I recently set up an AP on a nearby village's water tower and they are now sending me income tax papers saying I need file with their village. Our office is not in their village and I don't live in their village so I see no reason for filing. The only thing that ties me to them is the lone AP on their water tower. I am on 3 other city's water tower's in the same area and none of them have said anything about filing with them. The contract between the village and I states nothing about taxes or exchange of money for using the tower. 1 - Is income derived from clients residing in the village limits taxable as income? 2 - What about income derived from clients residing outside the village limits but running off the AP in the village limits? 3 - Even if so, why do the other ISP's that provide service to residents in the village not have to file income tax to this village? 4 - By filing income within the village I would technically be paying tax on income from all my towers generating revenue that have nothing to do with their tower. As far as I know there is no ordinance regarding internet service within the village in any way. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 1 AP and 2 antennas
Use a standoff bracket to mount an omni. Scriv On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com wrote: Hi, I would like to set up 2 antennas (East and West more or less) but will not get more than 30 subs between the 2. I would like to connect both antennas to one AP. Normally, I would not even dream of doing this. However this is a small valey with low interferance. And all the subs will be very clse, peobably less than a quarter mile from the AP. I am planning to use 900MHz for this. So I guess this would be a device that would connect to the AP with one COAX and then connect to each antenna with a COAX. So, 3 N connectors. Has any of you done this, did you have success, and what is the device called, and where would I get it? Thank you, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Can a village levy a tax on my AP's?
I recently set up an AP on a nearby village's water tower and they are now sending me income tax papers saying I need file with their village. Our office is not in their village and I don't live in their village so I see no reason for filing. The only thing that ties me to them is the lone AP on their water tower. I am on 3 other city's water tower's in the same area and none of them have said anything about filing with them. The contract between the village and I states nothing about taxes or exchange of money for using the tower. 1 - Is income derived from clients residing in the village limits taxable as income? 2 - What about income derived from clients residing outside the village limits but running off the AP in the village limits? 3 - Even if so, why do the other ISP's that provide service to residents in the village not have to file income tax to this village? 4 - By filing income within the village I would technically be paying tax on income from all my towers generating revenue that have nothing to do with their tower. As far as I know there is no ordinance regarding internet service within the village in any way. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Can a village levy a tax on my AP's?
I would suggest taking this up with your attorney. Scriv On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I recently set up an AP on a nearby village's water tower and they are now sending me income tax papers saying I need file with their village. Our office is not in their village and I don't live in their village so I see no reason for filing. The only thing that ties me to them is the lone AP on their water tower. I am on 3 other city's water tower's in the same area and none of them have said anything about filing with them. The contract between the village and I states nothing about taxes or exchange of money for using the tower. 1 - Is income derived from clients residing in the village limits taxable as income? 2 - What about income derived from clients residing outside the village limits but running off the AP in the village limits? 3 - Even if so, why do the other ISP's that provide service to residents in the village not have to file income tax to this village? 4 - By filing income within the village I would technically be paying tax on income from all my towers generating revenue that have nothing to do with their tower. As far as I know there is no ordinance regarding internet service within the village in any way. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question
Why you take a RouterOS class :) But regardless, if you ahve a MT client, it will set the TX and RX speeds for the clients by default. YOu can set that by MAC as well, so you can control the bandwidth from the AP to the CPE. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Cameron Kilton wrote: I was playing around on one of our wireless interfaces and couldn't help but notice the options in the wireless tab for: Default AP Tx Rate: And Default Client TX Rate: Any insight on what this does? I couldn't seem to find much info on it. Thanks, Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Can a village levy a tax on my AP's?
Talk with your CPA. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:55:44 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Can a village levy a tax on my AP's? I recently set up an AP on a nearby village's water tower and they are now sending me income tax papers saying I need file with their village. Our office is not in their village and I don't live in their village so I see no reason for filing. The only thing that ties me to them is the lone AP on their water tower. I am on 3 other city's water tower's in the same area and none of them have said anything about filing with them. The contract between the village and I states nothing about taxes or exchange of money for using the tower. 1 - Is income derived from clients residing in the village limits taxable as income? 2 - What about income derived from clients residing outside the village limits but running off the AP in the village limits? 3 - Even if so, why do the other ISP's that provide service to residents in the village not have to file income tax to this village? 4 - By filing income within the village I would technically be paying tax on income from all my towers generating revenue that have nothing to do with their tower. As far as I know there is no ordinance regarding internet service within the village in any way. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Can a village levy a tax on my AP's?
This is for income tax we do not have personal property tax in Ohio... yet. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Aaron D. Osgood Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can a village levy a tax on my AP's? Income tax or personal property tax? Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect -Original Message- From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:09:15 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can a village levy a tax on my AP's? I would suggest taking this up with your attorney. Scriv On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I recently set up an AP on a nearby village's water tower and they are now sending me income tax papers saying I need file with their village. Our office is not in their village and I don't live in their village so I see no reason for filing. The only thing that ties me to them is the lone AP on their water tower. I am on 3 other city's water tower's in the same area and none of them have said anything about filing with them. The contract between the village and I states nothing about taxes or exchange of money for using the tower. 1 - Is income derived from clients residing in the village limits taxable as income? 2 - What about income derived from clients residing outside the village limits but running off the AP in the village limits? 3 - Even if so, why do the other ISP's that provide service to residents in the village not have to file income tax to this village? 4 - By filing income within the village I would technically be paying tax on income from all my towers generating revenue that have nothing to do with their tower. As far as I know there is no ordinance regarding internet service within the village in any way. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 1 AP and 2 antennas
Plus the actual loss in the splitter. It's going to eat some of the signal. Greg On Apr 24, 2009, at 10:04 AM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: When you use a splitter you loose 3dB in signal (hal you power since it's being split). If that is ok then you could do so. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Adam Goodman Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 1 AP and 2 antennas Sent: Apr 24, 2009 08:49 Hi, I would like to set up 2 antennas (East and West more or less) but will not get more than 30 subs between the 2. I would like to connect both antennas to one AP. Normally, I would not even dream of doing this. However this is a small valey with low interferance. And all the subs will be very clse, peobably less than a quarter mile from the AP. I am planning to use 900MHz for this. So I guess this would be a device that would connect to the AP with one COAX and then connect to each antenna with a COAX. So, 3 N connectors. Has any of you done this, did you have success, and what is the device called, and where would I get it? Thank you, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Can a village levy a tax on my AP's?
You should know that a contract doesn't make anyone exempt from taxes, only death does that. Not even death exempts one from all taxes... Ever hear of inheritance or estate taxes? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 11:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can a village levy a tax on my AP's? You should know that a contract doesn't make anyone exempt from taxes, only death does that. It's probably personal property tax. Many places charge property tax which includes things like being taxed on the value of your land/home, excise tax for the car, and personal property tax. Personal property tax is not as big a money maker in most towns and many are not very hawkish on it, so you haven't had to deal with it yet. Most towns are probably too busy making sure everyone pays their normal property taxes on time. You'll declare your AP on the tax papers, and send them a few dollars every year. It differs from town to town perhaps on how sharp they are for noticing the opportunity to tax, if it's a non-conforming use of the property, probably special attention was paid to it's installation, and all the advertising you do advertises you have equipment in this town. All this differs from state to state, so you should check with a skilled accountant or an attorney with municipal skills. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 11:55:44AM -0400, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I recently set up an AP on a nearby village's water tower and they are now sending me income tax papers saying I need file with their village. Our office is not in their village and I don't live in their village so I see no reason for filing. The only thing that ties me to them is the lone AP on their water tower. I am on 3 other city's water tower's in the same area and none of them have said anything about filing with them. The contract between the village and I states nothing about taxes or exchange of money for using the tower. 1 - Is income derived from clients residing in the village limits taxable as income? 2 - What about income derived from clients residing outside the village limits but running off the AP in the village limits? 3 - Even if so, why do the other ISP's that provide service to residents in the village not have to file income tax to this village? 4 - By filing income within the village I would technically be paying tax on income from all my towers generating revenue that have nothing to do with their tower. As far as I know there is no ordinance regarding internet service within the village in any way. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question
Rate-limiting. But only works with MT clients. (i.e. not other WiFi clients) On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com wrote: I was playing around on one of our wireless interfaces and couldn't help but notice the options in the wireless tab for: Default AP Tx Rate: And Default Client TX Rate: Any insight on what this does? I couldn't seem to find much info on it. Thanks, Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] VoIP.com
Does anyone here have any experience or background information on these guys? Thanks, Bobby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fiber/Coax Deployment, Common Carrier?
If you deploy a fiber only network, or a coaxial only network (100% IP) are you forced into being a common carrier? The way way I read it, no you do not. The way a partner reads it, Yes, you do/can be. I know many people here have talked about doing/have done fiber/coax deployments. Where did you land and was there anything special that made it happen?? Jeromie WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question
AP TX rate works on any client, but you have to have MT for the client TX rate .. :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Jayson Baker wrote: Rate-limiting. But only works with MT clients. (i.e. not other WiFi clients) On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com wrote: I was playing around on one of our wireless interfaces and couldn't help but notice the options in the wireless tab for: Default AP Tx Rate: And Default Client TX Rate: Any insight on what this does? I couldn't seem to find much info on it. Thanks, Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fiber/Coax Deployment, Common Carrier?
All that I know if that's required depends on state\local regulations as to if you're required to be a CLEC or franchise or not. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: jree...@18-30chat.net Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 12:46 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Fiber/Coax Deployment, Common Carrier? If you deploy a fiber only network, or a coaxial only network (100% IP) are you forced into being a common carrier? The way way I read it, no you do not. The way a partner reads it, Yes, you do/can be. I know many people here have talked about doing/have done fiber/coax deployments. Where did you land and was there anything special that made it happen?? Jeromie WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 1 AP and 2 antennas
Adam, It can work, but there are a couple notes and problems Its probably not a good idea to do with 900Mhz. However, it has been done, examples are Hyperlinktech's quad or Maxrad's tri antenna arrays for 2.4g and 5.8G. First, you'd be violating FCC regs, as that combination would not be certified. Second, you'll need a Coax splitter. M2INC has one for 900Mhz that they sell for their stacking Yagi Kits. (I think around 40 bucks) Third, the cable lengths to each antenna from splitter should each be the EXACT same length. Their are two immediate problem... Both antennas would act as a single radiating element if they were to close together, and it could change the beamwidth and radiating power of the antenna combination. Meaning it is not guaranteed that the end result would be two antennas pointing opposite directions with their spec'd beam. If they are back to back and spaced wrong, meaning out of phase, the signals will cancel each other out degrating the other. (Note that split signal cut power by 3 db, and adding two antennas of the same type adds 6 db, for a 3db gain, IF there is not cancellation or interference between the two elements. This is why stacking antennas work when properly spaced.) So, you'd need to have the two antennas spaced an exact calculated distance (both horizontally and vertically) for them to be in phase, with the wave length of the other, or have enough F/B isolation. Tough for 900Mhz Even with an antenna with high F/B ratio, and back to back, there is a chance a percent of the power will go back into the other antenna, so the signal comming out of the back would need to be in phase with the other antenna's signal or ot would interfere with it. If the spacing was correct, you could make it work. The other approach is to have adequate isolation from the two antennas, but that is hard with 900Mhz. But if you mounting to opposite sides/walls of a brick penthouse, that would create the needed isolation, where the two antennas would not interfere with each other, nor act as a single antenna. But if you were trying to moutn to a common mast, I'd say more trouble than worth. You'd probably be better off using an Omni with the adequate electronic downtilt, and mounted lower to ground. Remember with 2.4 and 5.8 the wve lengths are short and the ability to penetrate back plates is low. But 900Mhz has much larger wavelength and much harder to isolate. Not an easy task. In a nut shell I'd highy advise against it for 900Mhz. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:49 AM Subject: [WISPA] 1 AP and 2 antennas Hi, I would like to set up 2 antennas (East and West more or less) but will not get more than 30 subs between the 2. I would like to connect both antennas to one AP. Normally, I would not even dream of doing this. However this is a small valey with low interferance. And all the subs will be very clse, peobably less than a quarter mile from the AP. I am planning to use 900MHz for this. So I guess this would be a device that would connect to the AP with one COAX and then connect to each antenna with a COAX. So, 3 N connectors. Has any of you done this, did you have success, and what is the device called, and where would I get it? Thank you, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP.com
They have 359 reviews on this site: www.voipreview.org/review.all.aspx. For full disclosure, please note that Vox is a competitor (in that we both promote the same services). But whenever I want to see what users say about a VoIP provider, I go to this generic site. As always, do your due diligence carefully thru testing and careful scrutiny. Ron -Original Message- From: Bobby Burrow [mailto:bo...@burrow.com] Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 1:31 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] VoIP.com Does anyone here have any experience or background information on these guys? Thanks, Bobby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question
On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 12:22 -0400, Cameron Kilton wrote: I was playing around on one of our wireless interfaces and couldn't help but notice the options in the wireless tab for: Default AP Tx Rate: And Default Client TX Rate: These 2 options set default rates for how much bandwidth is allocated to a station for upload (client tx) and download (ap tx). It is a layer 2 bandwidth limiter that really only works with other MT devices. Actually, the AP tx rate works with any device, but the client tx does not work with all other devices out there. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Interesting BGP Redundancy Opton for FREE
Ok... I have multiple peers, bgp, etc... Normal stuff. I am looking for someone who has MT, has bgp peers but maybe would like to have a little more redundancy just in case. For example our main router with both peers is in the same facility so I still currently have some single point of failure issues I'd like to resolve. Bottom line - a plane crashes into my facility and I'm off the air for a while. If you are in this same boat, I have a solution I believe, that won't cost either of us hardly anything. We get a cable connection (or whatever cheap business class connection) that is say 20MB down and 2MB up (for example) at a remote site in another city where our network spans. We create a tunnel between our routers and if either side main fiber or router goes down traffic can be re-routed temporarily via this connection and the down-speed would be pulling from the others main fiber feeds so it should stil be fast enough to make a lot of the pain go away - better than being down any way. The BGP session between sites would also allow incoming traffic for email / web etc to operate as well - which is the only thing this solution adds to a non-BGP type backup circuit. Any way, this is not a replacement for having multiple bgp peers with real connections, don't take it that way. This is a low cost way to help each other out in worst case scenario for whoever may be in this same position. I'm willing to explore options any way if someone else is interested. Send me an email, we can discuss further. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question
What is the best way to provide speed limit per clients where they are not all MT clients? I would like to have something setup where every connected client gets so much bandwidth. I would like something that is automated nothing that has to be done every time. I know you can do this with hotspot, but this is not for hotspot function. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 3:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 12:22 -0400, Cameron Kilton wrote: I was playing around on one of our wireless interfaces and couldn't help but notice the options in the wireless tab for: Default AP Tx Rate: And Default Client TX Rate: These 2 options set default rates for how much bandwidth is allocated to a station for upload (client tx) and download (ap tx). It is a layer 2 bandwidth limiter that really only works with other MT devices. Actually, the AP tx rate works with any device, but the client tx does not work with all other devices out there. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Remote Server Backup Swap
I'm looking to place a server in someones data center that can do the same with me. I have a requirement to have data backup up outside or county and even out of state better for disaster recovery. If you have a desire to do the same and we can swap services and make a buck or two from additional customers. If interested in discussing further hit my email. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question
MT Queues Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 3:58 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question What is the best way to provide speed limit per clients where they are not all MT clients? I would like to have something setup where every connected client gets so much bandwidth. I would like something that is automated nothing that has to be done every time. I know you can do this with hotspot, but this is not for hotspot function. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 3:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 12:22 -0400, Cameron Kilton wrote: I was playing around on one of our wireless interfaces and couldn't help but notice the options in the wireless tab for: Default AP Tx Rate: And Default Client TX Rate: These 2 options set default rates for how much bandwidth is allocated to a station for upload (client tx) and download (ap tx). It is a layer 2 bandwidth limiter that really only works with other MT devices. Actually, the AP tx rate works with any device, but the client tx does not work with all other devices out there. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fiber/Coax Deployment, Common Carrier?
Good question Might be a good reason to seperate the Cable versus Wireless portions of activities into two seperate company entities. Even on a Grant app, there could be benefits to calling it a joint application, and seperating the cable versus wireless entities. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: jree...@18-30chat.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 1:46 PM Subject: [WISPA] Fiber/Coax Deployment, Common Carrier? If you deploy a fiber only network, or a coaxial only network (100% IP) are you forced into being a common carrier? The way way I read it, no you do not. The way a partner reads it, Yes, you do/can be. I know many people here have talked about doing/have done fiber/coax deployments. Where did you land and was there anything special that made it happen?? Jeromie WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question
You can setup the hotspot to authenticate based on MAC address via RADIUS. Have the RADIUS server send back the speed limit (and bursting if so desired). The AP will create a dynamic simple queue for the client. When the client goes away, so does the queue. Cameron Kilton wrote: What is the best way to provide speed limit per clients where they are not all MT clients? I would like to have something setup where every connected client gets so much bandwidth. I would like something that is automated nothing that has to be done every time. I know you can do this with hotspot, but this is not for hotspot function. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 3:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 12:22 -0400, Cameron Kilton wrote: I was playing around on one of our wireless interfaces and couldn't help but notice the options in the wireless tab for: Default AP Tx Rate: And Default Client TX Rate: These 2 options set default rates for how much bandwidth is allocated to a station for upload (client tx) and download (ap tx). It is a layer 2 bandwidth limiter that really only works with other MT devices. Actually, the AP tx rate works with any device, but the client tx does not work with all other devices out there. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.4/2078 - Release Date: 04/24/09 07:54:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question
We don't use radius or PPPoE. We provide every customer with a static address. I like the idea of a dynamic queue is there a way to create dynamic queues for connected clients? -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 4:14 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question RADIUS and PPPoE. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Kilton Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 3:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question What is the best way to provide speed limit per clients where they are not all MT clients? I would like to have something setup where every connected client gets so much bandwidth. I would like something that is automated nothing that has to be done every time. I know you can do this with hotspot, but this is not for hotspot function. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 3:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 12:22 -0400, Cameron Kilton wrote: I was playing around on one of our wireless interfaces and couldn't help but notice the options in the wireless tab for: Default AP Tx Rate: And Default Client TX Rate: These 2 options set default rates for how much bandwidth is allocated to a station for upload (client tx) and download (ap tx). It is a layer 2 bandwidth limiter that really only works with other MT devices. Actually, the AP tx rate works with any device, but the client tx does not work with all other devices out there. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question
On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 16:05 -0400, Cameron Kilton wrote: What is the best way to provide speed limit per clients where they are not all MT clients? This can be done via queues. That's a better solution than the layer2 approach anyway (sort of). I would like to have something setup where every connected client gets so much bandwidth. I would like something that is automated nothing that has to be done every time. I know you can do this with hotspot, but this is not for hotspot function. If you are using RADIUS, this is rather easy, depending on how your customers connect. If you use DHCP, then you can provide a rate-limit attribute from your radius server for DHCP leases, even if you let the pool be managed by the MT side. Same is true for PPPoE. You can set speed limits directly on the MT for both types of service as well. For static IP assignments, you can build the queues, but it'll not be automated in any way. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question
On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 16:46 -0400, Cameron Kilton wrote: I like the idea of a dynamic queue is there a way to create dynamic queues for connected clients? One other method I just thought of is PCQ. PCQ is a queue type that will allow you to classify a customer by IP address (in mangle) and they will be given a specific speed up and down. Without radius the automated part is a bit more tricky and your options are limited. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 1 AP and 2 antennas
Assuming you plan to use sectors, make sure that the sectors are very isolated from each other... But, with the ranges you are talking about, why bother with 2 antennas? one good omni should do fine... Adam Goodman wrote: Hi, I would like to set up 2 antennas (East and West more or less) but will not get more than 30 subs between the 2. I would like to connect both antennas to one AP. Normally, I would not even dream of doing this. However this is a small valey with low interferance. And all the subs will be very clse, peobably less than a quarter mile from the AP. I am planning to use 900MHz for this. So I guess this would be a device that would connect to the AP with one COAX and then connect to each antenna with a COAX. So, 3 N connectors. Has any of you done this, did you have success, and what is the device called, and where would I get it? Thank you, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Interesting BGP Redundancy Opton for FREE
On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 19:37 -0400, Tom DeReggi wrote: Over a Layer2 PTP its usually not an issue, but it is over a standard transit connection. (customer and Internet needs to see 1500 bytes, but an ISP's tunnel causes packet size to exceed 1500 MTU. I have built tunnels that carry 12000 byte packets. Not sure where this idea comes from. They can be built that will carry as much as 65k bytes. We use Cipe tunnels to solve that. To split the full size packets before it enters the tunnel, so tunnel stays at 1500MTU or less, required by the transit provider.. How do you do it with Mikrotik ? Of the tunnels I've done with MT, you just use PPtP and set the MRRU (just like your tunnels). I've done this with standard Linux, too. It is actually quite an elegant solution. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] affordable 2.4 GHz repeaters
I've got a situation where I need some lower end affordable 2.4 GHz repeaters, and the itch can't really be scratched with a customer CPE device (such as a Ruckus or Tranzeo). Anyone have any 2.4 GHz repeaters that they can recommend? There won't be many people connecting in that area, so I'm not really worried about collision. Ideally, this might be something I'd put outside. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Signal Strengths
Everyone, I had trouble during an install today regarding signal strengths. 2.4Ghz CPE in a location that should be no problem. Moving the CPE two feet in any direction from the point where the CPE was installed increased the signal by around 20db (-90 to -70!) Any idea of what phenomenon I am dealing with? Anything I should consider as I correct this install? Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] affordable 2.4 GHz repeaters
Engenius and ubiquity Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent from mobile device -Original Message- From: Rogelio scubac...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:21 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] affordable 2.4 GHz repeaters I've got a situation where I need some lower end affordable 2.4 GHz repeaters, and the itch can't really be scratched with a customer CPE device (such as a Ruckus or Tranzeo). Anyone have any 2.4 GHz repeaters that they can recommend? There won't be many people connecting in that area, so I'm not really worried about collision. Ideally, this might be something I'd put outside. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] affordable 2.4 GHz repeaters
Low cost and 2.4 sounds like MT to me. On 4/24/09, Rogelio scubac...@gmail.com wrote: I've got a situation where I need some lower end affordable 2.4 GHz repeaters, and the itch can't really be scratched with a customer CPE device (such as a Ruckus or Tranzeo). Anyone have any 2.4 GHz repeaters that they can recommend? There won't be many people connecting in that area, so I'm not really worried about collision. Ideally, this might be something I'd put outside. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] affordable 2.4 GHz repeaters
I would avoid Engenius. Heard a lot of good things abot the Ubnt stuff, especially the bullet. On 4/25/09, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Engenius and ubiquity Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent from mobile device -Original Message- From: Rogelio scubac...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:21 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] affordable 2.4 GHz repeaters I've got a situation where I need some lower end affordable 2.4 GHz repeaters, and the itch can't really be scratched with a customer CPE device (such as a Ruckus or Tranzeo). Anyone have any 2.4 GHz repeaters that they can recommend? There won't be many people connecting in that area, so I'm not really worried about collision. Ideally, this might be something I'd put outside. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
