[WISPA] FCC WANTS UNUSED SPECTRUM GIVEN BACK
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Re: [WISPA] DHCP options
PPPoE we have found to be very difficult working with different routers that customer bring to the table to connect up. We use MT with radius before with PPPoE and some work and then some wouldn't. It was just a pain. We are looking to provide Public IP via DHCP, the options is does MT does this Option 82 -Cameron On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 16:37 -0400, Cameron Kilton wrote: We want Customer to plug in device and get a DHCP address, easy right. Okay hard part, without the use of Mac addresses how can we tell which customers are what and log this into a database. Is there a way to control this via the radio? Without being familiar with Alvarion gear, I'd guess this will be tough. Are you wanting to provide public or private IP space via dhcp? If it's private, you could always build a vlan from your core router out to each subscriber. I am fairly certain that is something that Alvarion does. This would be the only idea I have. We don't want to use PPPoE so that option is out, we currently provide Static IP numbers for everybody but would like to get away from this in certain (cheaper) markets. Not sure why PPPoE is out. It would be the best option if you don't want to collect MAC addresses. Come on guys, hit me with your best ideas on this one. Were at a wall. Why would you NOT be willing to collect MAC addresses? It is not that difficult to do, unless you're looking at some type of hotspot where you won't know the customers who are connecting. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth
They created a great system. Maintenance is another matter. I'm aware of what its like being a small player where the big companies are trying to squash you to protect their turf. But you are making a living, meager though it may be. Until you become a CLEC, your access will be expensive. Becoming a CLEC brings on a whole host of other troubles. --Curtis RickG wrote: Huh? The high system? http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003226851_fragile26.html http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2008/06/part_one_america_is_falling_ap.html http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2008/05/09/us-infrastructure-is-falling-apart/ As far as making a living upon the internet, most of the WISP's I meet make very little (including myself) and pay through the nose for access ourselves. -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Curtis Maurand cmaur...@xyonet.com wrote: Not going there on this list, but there is a long list its done right including funding the development of the Internet upon which you make your living. I would add the highway system as well. --Curtis Josh Luthman wrote: Are there things you think the government - FCC, congress, etc. - could do to help ISPs and expanding broadband? Seriously? Name one thing the government has done right in the last 200 years. The list should start and end with the military and that can be argued either way. The only thing the government could do to help is to not do anything at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Tim Sylvester t...@avanzarnetworks.comwrote: Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. I want to understand people's opposition to the Broadband Stimulus programs. Rick and other people opposed to the stimulus, can you expand on why you don't believe in the Stimulus and why you didn't apply? Are there things you think the government - FCC, congress, etc. - could do to help ISPs and expanding broadband? Tim WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DHCP options
Sure -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 11:36 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options Oh, hell yes, Brother-man! This is looking good. Can you then block that mac? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 6:29 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options Yes, and there's more. If you have a subscriber re-distributing the service through a Wi-Fi AP (such as an apartment manager offering free Internet to the renters from your service), you can get a lot of information to help you discover it. For example, NetStumbler (if you do a truckroll to the suspect with a laptop running it) will reveal the MAC address of the AP no matter what encryption they are using (it's necessarily revealed during the initial association). If it's attached to your modem and it gets it's address from your DHCP server, then the MAC address of the CPE is revealed in Option 82. A quick LeaseQuery and BINGO! . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:02 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options Okay, I see the option 82.. I'm totally new to this one. How do you log the info from it? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options This has DHCP option 82 written all over it. It's very popular in a DOCSIS environment. I assume the Alvarion equipment doesn't support option 82. If this is the case you could do it via an option 82 capable switch. The switch could tell you what port, MAC, IP, etc. Good luck. -Eric Cameron Kilton wrote: We are looking into a DHCP delivery method that doesn't require the use of Mac Addresses to enter. We are using all Alvarion VL equipment (5.x 900) the problem is: We want Customer to plug in device and get a DHCP address, easy right. Okay hard part, without the use of Mac addresses how can we tell which customers are what and log this into a database. Is there a way to control this via the radio? We don't want to use PPPoE so that option is out, we currently provide Static IP numbers for everybody but would like to get away from this in certain (cheaper) markets. Come on guys, hit me with your best ideas on this one. Were at a wall. Thank You, Cameron -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth
Okay, okay. A good description of people unhappy with the government. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:15 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth And that's pretty much what they said about the Romans! Had to add it.. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Having spent some time in some rugged spots in the world I can say by comparison that Im happy with some things the government does. Clean, potable water is nice as are decent roads, fire protection and lack of Malaria. It aint all bad. Chris -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 3:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Well said! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 9:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Seriously? Name one thing the government has done right in the last 200 years. The list should start and end with the military and that can be argued either way. The only thing the government could do to help is to not do anything at all. Josh Luthman WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is "worth less" to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: "put some money in the bank" The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: "Marco Coelho" coelh...@gmail.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a "luxury". Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to deliver what you need to compete? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
Where does the processed goods get the material from? China, then US, then you. The US has to pay more for the China products which means you do too. It's a global economy, not a national. On 10/9/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to deliver what you need to compete? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth
Just keep in mind that in exchange for the governmental help, these utilities were made into monopolies. If you look at pictures of the streets of a large city from the turn of the century you'd see masses of wires everywhere from the multiple phone companies and electric providers. A business had to have 4 or 5 phones installed to have access to the competing networks. Each utility was eventually consolidated into one provider per service. We now have multiple paths to the internet in lots of areas and there isn't much of a reason to scale it down to one and become a classic utility. I'm sure the government would love to have that happen, easier to deal with for them. Giving a large chunk of cash to one regional provider would be a step in that direction (Broadband Stimulus) but would still not kill the rest of us unless they eventually regulated out competition. If the idea was indeed to do a large scale build out to provide access to everyone, who would be the provider and who would eventually own the infrastructure of such a system? Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:19 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Brian makes good points, as long as the FCC would allow any ISP the rights to this: It's time to do the same for the internet and broadband. Not just one time funding for build outs, but also money to help sustain the operations over time in markets that just can't do it otherwise. The Rural Telephone Cooperatives rule the roost in my competitive area(with telephone and internet) and they should not be the only ones getting this funding. The FCC has already done that with the rural exemption clauses in the TA of 1996, along with other telecom wide Act's passages. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com Reply-To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 13:38:37 -0400 Part of the issue for the rural markets is the actual household density. There are some areas that on their own, will not sustain a viable business model even if you have grant money to fund the initial build out. The internet should be viewed as a utility. When other utility technologies were new (electricity and telephone) the government fought with this same exact problem. For the telephone industry they came up with the universal services fund (USF). Areas that qualified for this funding received monthly subsidies to balance out the costs to make it a viable business model in those areas that did not otherwise make the case for private enterprise to do it alone. The Rural Electrification Act (REA) also did things to solve these problems. It's time to do the same for the internet and broadband. Not just one time funding for build outs, but also money to help sustain the operations over time in markets that just can't do it otherwise. Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
Foreign goods (such as chips in our radios) will go up in dollar price. Even food, natural gas, etc. can go up as those are priced on a global market basis. If one Chinese yuan (or whatever they use) can buy two bushels of wheat where it used to buy one, they can bid the price up on wheat (maybe to 1.5 bushels for a yuan) and still come out ahead. We Americans with our weak dollar then end up paying more (at the new global price) for wheat. Likewise, if our coal can be shipped overseas for a better price than what the producers can get on the American market, the global price of coal then goes up, and we end up paying more for electricity. Suddenly we become an exporter again, our trade deficit starts to move the opposite direction from what it has in recent years. Some problems get better, others get worse. The free market is an amazing thing. If we quit messing with it artificially through stimulus and over-regulation, things normalize quite a bit quicker than we might expect. Randy On 10/9/2009 7:25 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelhocoelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickGrgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Learyple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to deliver what you need to compete? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
Imports cost us way more money. That may not directly affect any individual consumer, but it does impact nearly every manufacturer. Cost of production increases greatly. The only way they can make money is to increase their prices to distributors who in turn have to raise the price to individual consumers. It creates inflation. -Jeff Ehman From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.commailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.commailto:coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.commailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.commailto:ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to deliver what you need to compete? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
Yes. What he said -Jeff Ehman -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth Foreign goods (such as chips in our radios) will go up in dollar price. Even food, natural gas, etc. can go up as those are priced on a global market basis. If one Chinese yuan (or whatever they use) can buy two bushels of wheat where it used to buy one, they can bid the price up on wheat (maybe to 1.5 bushels for a yuan) and still come out ahead. We Americans with our weak dollar then end up paying more (at the new global price) for wheat. Likewise, if our coal can be shipped overseas for a better price than what the producers can get on the American market, the global price of coal then goes up, and we end up paying more for electricity. Suddenly we become an exporter again, our trade deficit starts to move the opposite direction from what it has in recent years. Some problems get better, others get worse. The free market is an amazing thing. If we quit messing with it artificially through stimulus and over-regulation, things normalize quite a bit quicker than we might expect. Randy On 10/9/2009 7:25 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelhocoelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickGrgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Learyple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to deliver what you need to compete? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
If the dollar is worth less, all the equipment we get from China, Israel, Phillipines, Latvia, Thailand, etc.., will go up in price, making our job harder. It will help US manufacturers, but we probably don't use many of them. A weaker dollar could help make us more self sufficient, but it's really the hard way to go about that change. It's already happening with photo equipment. New lenses have gone up in price; new stuff gets more expensive, even though technology says it should get less expensive. It also effects the used equipment pricing as well (upward), so that's not such an easy out if you prefer to buy used. As far as power, it will make us more of a pawn than we are when it comes to oil and gas prices. Export will be more lucrative than domestic use because of the weaker dollar, hurting our supply situation. The oil companies are all multinational corporations with no specific national loyalties. You know what supply situation problems do for fuel prices. Get your chinese made solar panels now while you still can and make an effort to be energy independent. On Fri, Oct 09, 2009 at 07:25:57AM -0600, Travis Johnson wrote: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN html head meta content=text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1 http-equiv=Content-Type /head body bgcolor=#ff text=#00 I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter?br br Travisbr Microservbr br RickG wrote: blockquote cite=mid:b8f604200910082134t218e122fuad6fa3c1f52b7...@mail.gmail.com type=cite pre wrap=put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer a class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href=mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com;lt;o...@odessaoffice.comgt;/a wrote: /pre blockquote type=cite pre wrap=Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. nbsp;I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho a class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href=mailto:coelh...@gmail.com;lt;coelh...@gmail.comgt;/a To: WISPA General List a class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href=mailto:wireless@wispa.org;lt;wireless@wispa.orggt;/a Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth /pre blockquote type=cite pre wrap=Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. nbsp;We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. nbsp;So the cycle goes: 1. nbsp;Build out X number of Towers. 2. nbsp;Market X number of Areas. 3. nbsp;Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. nbsp;They will go like the dot-coms. nbsp;Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. nbsp;Good employees are very hard to find. nbsp;For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. nbsp;You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG a class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href=mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com;lt;rgunder...@gmail.comgt;/a wrote: /pre blockquote type=cite pre wrap=Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary a class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href=mailto:ple...@apertonet.com;lt;ple...@apertonet.comgt;/a wrote: /pre blockquote type=cite pre wrap=Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health
Re: [WISPA] DHCP options
We have a winner! We were discussing this very thing a month or so ago in a different thread looking for ways to discover and block. and now here it is. I'll be looking into this animal further. Thanks. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:15 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options Sure -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 11:36 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options Oh, hell yes, Brother-man! This is looking good. Can you then block that mac? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 6:29 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options Yes, and there's more. If you have a subscriber re-distributing the service through a Wi-Fi AP (such as an apartment manager offering free Internet to the renters from your service), you can get a lot of information to help you discover it. For example, NetStumbler (if you do a truckroll to the suspect with a laptop running it) will reveal the MAC address of the AP no matter what encryption they are using (it's necessarily revealed during the initial association). If it's attached to your modem and it gets it's address from your DHCP server, then the MAC address of the CPE is revealed in Option 82. A quick LeaseQuery and BINGO! . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:02 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options Okay, I see the option 82.. I'm totally new to this one. How do you log the info from it? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options This has DHCP option 82 written all over it. It's very popular in a DOCSIS environment. I assume the Alvarion equipment doesn't support option 82. If this is the case you could do it via an option 82 capable switch. The switch could tell you what port, MAC, IP, etc. Good luck. -Eric Cameron Kilton wrote: We are looking into a DHCP delivery method that doesn't require the use of Mac Addresses to enter. We are using all Alvarion VL equipment (5.x 900) the problem is: We want Customer to plug in device and get a DHCP address, easy right. Okay hard part, without the use of Mac addresses how can we tell which customers are what and log this into a database. Is there a way to control this via the radio? We don't want to use PPPoE so that option is out, we currently provide Static IP numbers for everybody but would like to get away from this in certain (cheaper) markets. Come on guys, hit me with your best ideas on this one. Were at a wall. Thank You, Cameron -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- --
Re: [WISPA] DHCP options
I believe in that instance the CPE does a dhcp relay or sorts. In my experiences Alvarion equipment doesn't do dhcp relay. It simply bridges the wireless interface straight to the Ethernet interface. There are some filters that can be enabled between the two, but very little is done to separate them. All DHCP requests (that I've seen) from the Alvarion VL and B-series radios come directly from the client MAC address when the client requests DHCP. What we did was enable DHCP servers on each tower router. This allows each tower to have it's own DHCP pool and prevents DHCP packets from traveling across the entire backbone when it's not really necessary. From there we can view/manage each DHCP pool for the clients that come off of a specific tower. Makes things much easier. We did look into PPPoE, however the requirements on the client side would cause more and longer support calls. Allowing customers to purchase whatever cheap router they desire, plug it into our radio and get an address greatly reduces the overhead in all areas. Since the MAC address of whatever is plugged into the Ethernet port of the Alvarion radio is available via SNMP, it's quite easy to figure out who has what IP address. I do have plans to do some additional logging of things through SNMP traps with the Alvarion gear (log when MAC addresses change on Ethernet client etc.) but I haven't had time to mangle with that yet. Maybe even a Nagios alert when it happens. Great, now I'm rambling... On 10/8/09 9:26 PM, John Vogel jvo...@vogent.net wrote: I have no idea how the Alvarion equipment handles bridging, but when I have needed to bridge the CPE and also give the client an address via DHCP, I have done it with a Mikrotik DHCP server, inputting the MAC of the radio, but specifying use src mac address. That lets the client plug whatever they want in to the ethernet port I give them out of the bridge radio and get the address I have assigned to them via DHCP. You do have to be sure there are no rogue DHCP servers on the network. There may well be limited circumstances that this would work. I have done it with Senao (CB3), Deliberant, Tranzeo, and UBNT bridges. The primary reason I use it is for when the static IP I have entered into the client router (Linksys, Belkin etc.) lose their config and go to factory defaults. Lets me get the customer back online without a truck roll, or spending 20 minutes talking them through the configuration of the router. My preference is to use a routing CPE, and hand out NATed IPs to the customer from there. John Cameron Kilton wrote: We are looking into a DHCP delivery method that doesn't require the use of Mac Addresses to enter. We are using all Alvarion VL equipment (5.x 900) the problem is: We want Customer to plug in device and get a DHCP address, easy right. Okay hard part, without the use of Mac addresses how can we tell which customers are what and log this into a database. Is there a way to control this via the radio? We don't want to use PPPoE so that option is out, we currently provide Static IP numbers for everybody but would like to get away from this in certain (cheaper) markets. Come on guys, hit me with your best ideas on this one. Were at a wall. Thank You, Cameron - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Adam Kennedy Senior Network Administrator Cyberlink Technologies, Inc. Phone: 888-293-3693 x4352 Fax: 574-855-5761 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
I'm with you on that. If I'm not traveling to Europe I don't much care what the exchange rate is. Aside from impacting imports, it doesn't immediately impact the staples in my life. The power company, grocery store and the like also have to operate on the dollar so we're all in the same boat. Now, if I go to say, Spain, YIKES! It's where you live, not where you don't live. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho mailto:coelh...@gmail.com coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary mailto:ple...@apertonet.com ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to deliver what you need to compete? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
I like what you said, the magic bad word: INFLATION I see the government is already planning more stimulus to hold that off longer - which we (should) know will only make it worse when it gets here. So what do we do with our dollars? As much as I don't like debt, there is a good argument that if you are well-leveraged with a good fixed interest rate, you're in better shape than those who have cash in the bank. Given all the market interference, I don't know that the rules all apply this time around. I have every intention of fixing this problem. Anyone care to nominate me for the Nobel prize in economics? ;) Randy Jeff Ehman wrote: Yes. What he said -Jeff Ehman -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth Foreign goods (such as chips in our radios) will go up in dollar price. Even food, natural gas, etc. can go up as those are priced on a global market basis. If one Chinese yuan (or whatever they use) can buy two bushels of wheat where it used to buy one, they can bid the price up on wheat (maybe to 1.5 bushels for a yuan) and still come out ahead. We Americans with our weak dollar then end up paying more (at the new global price) for wheat. Likewise, if our coal can be shipped overseas for a better price than what the producers can get on the American market, the global price of coal then goes up, and we end up paying more for electricity. Suddenly we become an exporter again, our trade deficit starts to move the opposite direction from what it has in recent years. Some problems get better, others get worse. The free market is an amazing thing. If we quit messing with it artificially through stimulus and over-regulation, things normalize quite a bit quicker than we might expect. Randy On 10/9/2009 7:25 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelhocoelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickGrgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Learyple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
It doesn't matter where it comes from. If I can use a $5 bill to buy two loaves of bread at Walmart, who cares what it will buy in China? Travis Microserv Josh Luthman wrote: Where does the processed goods get the material from? China, then US, then you. The US has to pay more for the China products which means you do too. It's a global economy, not a national. On 10/9/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is "worth less" to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: "put some money in the bank" The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: "Marco Coelho" coelh...@gmail.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a "luxury". Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to deliver what you need to compete? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
I understand that so instead of bread costing $2.00 per loaf, it goes up to $2.10. So because of that fear, everyone wants to find a different place to put money besides a bank? Seems strange to me. Travis Microserv Jeff Ehman wrote: Imports cost us way more money. That may not directly affect any individual consumer, but it does impact nearly every manufacturer. Cost of production increases greatly. The only way they can make money is to increase their prices to distributors who in turn have to raise the price to individual consumers. It creates inflation. -Jeff Ehman From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.commailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.commailto:coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.commailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.commailto:ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to deliver what you need to compete? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
5% increase of costs don't stop at just bread. It costs 5% more to ship. Your WISP gear. Gas and truck. Payroll. If it costs more to get into the US it costs more to get to you. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I understand that so instead of bread costing $2.00 per loaf, it goes up to $2.10. So because of that fear, everyone wants to find a different place to put money besides a bank? Seems strange to me. Travis Microserv Jeff Ehman wrote: Imports cost us way more money. That may not directly affect any individual consumer, but it does impact nearly every manufacturer. Cost of production increases greatly. The only way they can make money is to increase their prices to distributors who in turn have to raise the price to individual consumers. It creates inflation. -Jeff Ehman From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.commailto:coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.commailto: rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com mailto:ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to deliver what you need to compete? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
The fear is not 5% increase, the fear is about a 50% or 200% increase... Don't know if you do your own grocery shopping You may not have noticed that in the last 12-18 months all costs food items etc have gone up by a double digit %. In the US, we all have been living the good life, ask anyone from South America, Asia or Africa, about currency devaluation and it's affects. If the spending like a banshee continues, without much to show for it... Then be ready for a'currency devaluation' aka falling dollar.. Simply put, the buying power of the US dollar declines.thus what you paid 50 cents for will now be a $1. Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth 5% increase of costs don't stop at just bread. It costs 5% more to ship. Your WISP gear. Gas and truck. Payroll. If it costs more to get into the US it costs more to get to you. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I understand that so instead of bread costing $2.00 per loaf, it goes up to $2.10. So because of that fear, everyone wants to find a different place to put money besides a bank? Seems strange to me. Travis Microserv Jeff Ehman wrote: Imports cost us way more money. That may not directly affect any individual consumer, but it does impact nearly every manufacturer. Cost of production increases greatly. The only way they can make money is to increase their prices to distributors who in turn have to raise the price to individual consumers. It creates inflation. -Jeff Ehman From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.commailto:coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.commailto: rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
According to an article I read a couple days ago, our GDP if measured in Euros is off by 25%! That is the effect of devaluing our currency. That WILL have long-term effects on our standard of living and our place in the world. Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I understand that so instead of bread costing $2.00 per loaf, it goes up to $2.10. So because of that fear, everyone wants to find a different place to put money besides a bank? Seems strange to me. Travis Microserv Jeff Ehman wrote: Imports cost us way more money. That may not directly affect any individual consumer, but it does impact nearly every manufacturer. Cost of production increases greatly. The only way they can make money is to increase their prices to distributors who in turn have to raise the price to individual consumers. It creates inflation. -Jeff Ehman From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.commailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.commailto:coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.commailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.commailto:ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to deliver what you need to compete? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
Sorry, here is the article: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703298004574458923186941870.ht ml?mod=wsj The Weak-Dollar Threat to Prosperity Measured in euros, U.S. per capita GDP is down 25% since 2000. By DAVID MALPASS If you want to know why the dollar has been falling this week and gold hit a new high, look no further than the weak jobs numbers last Friday and the weak communique issued over the weekend at the G-7 meeting in Istanbul. Deploring excess volatility and disorderly movements in exchange rates isn't exactly a ringing defense of the greenback. And 9.8% unemployment convinced markets that monetary policy will remain loose regardless of dollar weakness. Bond buyer Bill Gross of the Pimco fund summed up the situation nicely in a recent CNBC interview. Asked whether low interest rates will weaken the dollar, the influential allocator of global capital said: I think that's part of the administration's plan. It's obviously not announced-the 'strong dollar' is always the policy, so to speak. One of the ways a country gets out from under its debt burden is to devalue. On the surface, the weak dollar may not look so bad, especially for Wall Street. Gold, oil, the euro and equities are all rising as much as the dollar declines. They stay even in value terms and create lots of trading volume. And high unemployment keeps the Fed on hold, so anyone with extra dollars or the connections to borrow dollars wins by buying nondollar assets. [malpass] Investors have been playing this weak-dollar trade for years, diverting more and more dollars into commodities, foreign currencies and foreign stock markets. This is the Third-World way of asset allocation. Corporations play this game for bigger stakes, borrowing billions in dollars to expand their foreign businesses. As the pound slid in the 1950s and '60s and the British Empire crumbled, the corporations that prospered were the ones that borrowed pounds aggressively in order to expand abroad. Though British equities rose in pound terms, they generally underperformed gold and foreign equities. At the end of empire, the giant sucking sound was from British capital and jobs moving offshore as the pound sank. Some weak-dollar advocates believe that American workers will eventually get cheap enough in foreign-currency terms to win manufacturing jobs back. In practice, however, capital outflows overwhelm the trade flows, causing more job losses than cheap real wages create. This was the lesson of the British malaise, the Carter malaise, the Mexican malaise of the 1990s, Yeltsin's Russian malaise through 1999 and the rest. No countries have devalued their way into prosperity, while many-Hong Kong, China, Australia today-have used stable money to invite capital and jobs. The more the dollar devalued against the yen in the 1970s and '80s, the more Japan gained share in valued-added manufacturing, using the capital from weak-currency countries to increase productivity. China is doing the same now. It watches in chagrin as the U.S. pleads with it to strengthen the yuan, adding productivity fast with the dollars rushing its way in search of currency stability. If stocks double but the dollar loses half its value, who beyond Wall Street are the winners and losers? There's been a clear demonstration this decade. The SP nearly doubled from 2003 through 2007. Those who borrowed to buy won big-time. Rich people got richer, seeing their equity bottom line double. At the same time, the dollar's value was cut nearly in half versus the euro and other stable measures. Capital fled, undercutting job growth. Rent, gasoline and food prices rose more than wages. Equity gains provide cold comfort when currencies crash. From the euro perspective, the SP peaked at 1700 in 2000, finally reattained 1100 in the 2007 bubble, fell below 600 in March and now stands at 700 (see nearby chart). With most of the market capitalization of U.S. stocks held by Americans, the dollar devaluation has caused a massive decline in the U.S. share of global wealth. Measured in euros (a more stable ruler than the ever-weakening dollar), U.S. real per capita GDP is down 25% since 2000, while Germany's is up 4% and tops ours. The solution is a strong U.S. jobs and wealth program. It has to include stable money, a flatter, more competitive tax structure, spending restraint, and common-sense bank regulation so small business lending can restart. Treasury has to rapidly lengthen the maturity of the national debt and take steps to protect the Fed from market losses on its long-term debt holdings. Instead, Washington's current economic program pushes capital away by weakening the dollar, threatening higher tax rates, borrowing short (the Fed's near trillion-dollar overnight debt, Treasury's mounds of bill and note issuance) to lend long (mortgages, student loans, entitlements), doubling down on government subsidies, and rechanneling bank loans to governments and big businesses instead of the
Re: [WISPA] DHCP options
Your on to something here, we are going to look into this. I totally forgot the Alvarion units show what MAC are going through them... Genius! -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Kennedy Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options I believe in that instance the CPE does a dhcp relay or sorts. In my experiences Alvarion equipment doesn't do dhcp relay. It simply bridges the wireless interface straight to the Ethernet interface. There are some filters that can be enabled between the two, but very little is done to separate them. All DHCP requests (that I've seen) from the Alvarion VL and B-series radios come directly from the client MAC address when the client requests DHCP. What we did was enable DHCP servers on each tower router. This allows each tower to have it's own DHCP pool and prevents DHCP packets from traveling across the entire backbone when it's not really necessary. From there we can view/manage each DHCP pool for the clients that come off of a specific tower. Makes things much easier. We did look into PPPoE, however the requirements on the client side would cause more and longer support calls. Allowing customers to purchase whatever cheap router they desire, plug it into our radio and get an address greatly reduces the overhead in all areas. Since the MAC address of whatever is plugged into the Ethernet port of the Alvarion radio is available via SNMP, it's quite easy to figure out who has what IP address. I do have plans to do some additional logging of things through SNMP traps with the Alvarion gear (log when MAC addresses change on Ethernet client etc.) but I haven't had time to mangle with that yet. Maybe even a Nagios alert when it happens. Great, now I'm rambling... On 10/8/09 9:26 PM, John Vogel jvo...@vogent.net wrote: I have no idea how the Alvarion equipment handles bridging, but when I have needed to bridge the CPE and also give the client an address via DHCP, I have done it with a Mikrotik DHCP server, inputting the MAC of the radio, but specifying use src mac address. That lets the client plug whatever they want in to the ethernet port I give them out of the bridge radio and get the address I have assigned to them via DHCP. You do have to be sure there are no rogue DHCP servers on the network. There may well be limited circumstances that this would work. I have done it with Senao (CB3), Deliberant, Tranzeo, and UBNT bridges. The primary reason I use it is for when the static IP I have entered into the client router (Linksys, Belkin etc.) lose their config and go to factory defaults. Lets me get the customer back online without a truck roll, or spending 20 minutes talking them through the configuration of the router. My preference is to use a routing CPE, and hand out NATed IPs to the customer from there. John Cameron Kilton wrote: We are looking into a DHCP delivery method that doesn't require the use of Mac Addresses to enter. We are using all Alvarion VL equipment (5.x 900) the problem is: We want Customer to plug in device and get a DHCP address, easy right. Okay hard part, without the use of Mac addresses how can we tell which customers are what and log this into a database. Is there a way to control this via the radio? We don't want to use PPPoE so that option is out, we currently provide Static IP numbers for everybody but would like to get away from this in certain (cheaper) markets. Come on guys, hit me with your best ideas on this one. Were at a wall. Thank You, Cameron - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Adam Kennedy Senior Network Administrator Cyberlink Technologies, Inc. Phone: 888-293-3693 x4352 Fax: 574-855-5761 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
Payroll won't cost me a dime more... I decide that. Travis Microserv Josh Luthman wrote: 5% increase of costs don't stop at just bread. It costs 5% more to ship. Your WISP gear. Gas and truck. Payroll. If it costs more to get into the US it costs more to get to you. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I understand that so instead of bread costing $2.00 per loaf, it goes up to $2.10. So because of that "fear", everyone wants to find a different place to put money besides a bank? Seems strange to me. Travis Microserv Jeff Ehman wrote: Imports cost us way more money. That may not directly affect any individual consumer, but it does impact nearly every manufacturer. Cost of production increases greatly. The only way they can make money is to increase their prices to distributors who in turn have to raise the price to individual consumers. It creates inflation. -Jeff Ehman From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is "worth less" to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: "put some money in the bank" The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: "Marco Coelho" coelh...@gmail.commailto:coelh...@gmail.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.commailto: rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a "luxury". Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com mailto:ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to deliver what you need to compete?
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
I am not seeing that in this area... at all. Milk is $1.89 per gallon. A year ago milk was $2.90 a gallon. Gas is now $2.45 per gallon. A year ago gas was $3.25 a gallon. Travis Microserv Faisal Imtiaz wrote: The fear is not 5% increase, the fear is about a 50% or 200% increase... Don't know if you do your own grocery shopping You may not have noticed that in the last 12-18 months all costs food items etc have gone up by a double digit %. In the US, we all have been living the good life, ask anyone from South America, Asia or Africa, about currency devaluation and it's affects. If the spending like a banshee continues, without much to show for it... Then be ready for a'currency devaluation' aka falling dollar.. Simply put, the buying power of the US dollar declines.thus what you paid 50 cents for will now be a $1. Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth 5% increase of costs don't stop at just bread. It costs 5% more to ship. Your WISP gear. Gas and truck. Payroll. If it costs more to get into the US it costs more to get to you. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I understand that so instead of bread costing $2.00 per loaf, it goes up to $2.10. So because of that "fear", everyone wants to find a different place to put money besides a bank? Seems strange to me. Travis Microserv Jeff Ehman wrote: Imports cost us way more money. That may not directly affect any individual consumer, but it does impact nearly every manufacturer. Cost of production increases greatly. The only way they can make money is to increase their prices to distributors who in turn have to raise the price to individual consumers. It creates inflation. -Jeff Ehman From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is "worth less" to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: "put some money in the bank" The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: "Marco Coelho" coelh...@gmail.commailto:coelh...@gmail.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.commailto: rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
You disagree with us, that's fine. Let's stop wasting time arguing about it as neither side will change their opinion. What other barriers to WISP growth are there? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I am not seeing that in this area... at all. Milk is $1.89 per gallon. A year ago milk was $2.90 a gallon. Gas is now $2.45 per gallon. A year ago gas was $3.25 a gallon. Travis Microserv Faisal Imtiaz wrote: The fear is not 5% increase, the fear is about a 50% or 200% increase... Don't know if you do your own grocery shopping You may not have noticed that in the last 12-18 months all costs food items etc have gone up by a double digit %. In the US, we all have been living the good life, ask anyone from South America, Asia or Africa, about currency devaluation and it's affects. If the spending like a banshee continues, without much to show for it... Then be ready for a'currency devaluation' aka falling dollar.. Simply put, the buying power of the US dollar declines.thus what you paid 50 cents for will now be a $1. Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth 5% increase of costs don't stop at just bread. It costs 5% more to ship. Your WISP gear. Gas and truck. Payroll. If it costs more to get into the US it costs more to get to you. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net t...@ida.net wrote: I understand that so instead of bread costing $2.00 per loaf, it goes up to $2.10. So because of that fear, everyone wants to find a different place to put money besides a bank? Seems strange to me. Travis Microserv Jeff Ehman wrote: Imports cost us way more money. That may not directly affect any individual consumer, but it does impact nearly every manufacturer. Cost of production increases greatly. The only way they can make money is to increase their prices to distributors who in turn have to raise the price to individual consumers. It creates inflation. -Jeff Ehman From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com coelh...@gmail.commailto:coelh...@gmail.com coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
I'm trying hard to stay out of it but It's just a sign of getting old, guys. I remember when gas was 32 cents. etc. The purchasing power of a dollar has decreased since essentially day one. For example, today's one dollar was worth $7.25 in 1960. 1950 is was worth $8.94, 1940 it was $15.35 It will never, stay worth what it is today. As long as there are people out there looking to make a little extra cash, it will always creep up. It's the nature of free enterprise. Let's just admit we're old. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth 5% increase of costs don't stop at just bread. It costs 5% more to ship. Your WISP gear. Gas and truck. Payroll. If it costs more to get into the US it costs more to get to you. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I understand that so instead of bread costing $2.00 per loaf, it goes up to $2.10. So because of that fear, everyone wants to find a different place to put money besides a bank? Seems strange to me. Travis Microserv Jeff Ehman wrote: Imports cost us way more money. That may not directly affect any individual consumer, but it does impact nearly every manufacturer. Cost of production increases greatly. The only way they can make money is to increase their prices to distributors who in turn have to raise the price to individual consumers. It creates inflation. -Jeff Ehman From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.commailto:coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.commailto: rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com mailto:ple...@apertonet.com wrote:
Re: [WISPA] FCC WANTS UNUSED SPECTRUM GIVEN BACK
Yea but what does it mean for us? Everything I have seen makes this look like the FCC is only interested in the cell carriers. Maybe a trade can be done, some existing cellular spectrum is given over in exchange for the new spectrum? Id kill to have some cellular spectrum. http://ctia.org/media/press/body.cfm/prid/1866 The cell industry wants 800mhz more spectrum available to them. http://moconews.net/article/419-t-mobile-usa-requests-that-airwaves-once-set-aside-for-public-safety-be/ T-Mobile wants the shared commercial/public saftey spectrum that failed to sell to be taken away, sold, and possibly the proceeds used to build the public safty network in another spectrum. Chuck Profito wrote: HEY, SOMEBODY NOTICED!! BUT THEY MAY NOT REMEMBER US. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2fc5e1ac-b3a2-11de-ae8d-00144feab49a.html?nclick_c heck=1 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke
I talked to US Cellular once about 5 years ago. IIRC their fee was $2000 + $750/antenna and you have to rent ground space from the land owner ($1800/mo) for 10x10. Cameron Kilton wrote: I was interested in a Verizon Wireless tower, than they tell me there is a non-refundable $2500 application fee. WOW, what a rip off. I attached there application if nobody else has one to laugh at. -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke
Run away and run away quickly. I was down this route not long ago and gave it up. The costs were way too high for little ol' me. I couldn't justify the cost. Sitting down with the entire picture laid out to me by the red tape of Crown Castle, it came out to be cheaper to install my own tower, at least in my area anyhow because the costs aren't so bad. I didn't have to do that even because I eventually had a sweetheart situation fall into my hands and now it's all good. Look at all other alternatives, no matter how crazy they may sound before shelling out that much jack for a tower lease. Unless of course you are rolling in dough and can wait 6 months or more to install Keep smiling! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Kilton Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:33 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke I was interested in a Verizon Wireless tower, than they tell me there is a non-refundable $2500 application fee. WOW, what a rip off. I attached there application if nobody else has one to laugh at. -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke
I'll pass, I'm not giving Verizon any more money for anything. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:27 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke Run away and run away quickly. I was down this route not long ago and gave it up. The costs were way too high for little ol' me. I couldn't justify the cost. Sitting down with the entire picture laid out to me by the red tape of Crown Castle, it came out to be cheaper to install my own tower, at least in my area anyhow because the costs aren't so bad. I didn't have to do that even because I eventually had a sweetheart situation fall into my hands and now it's all good. Look at all other alternatives, no matter how crazy they may sound before shelling out that much jack for a tower lease. Unless of course you are rolling in dough and can wait 6 months or more to install Keep smiling! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Kilton Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:33 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke I was interested in a Verizon Wireless tower, than they tell me there is a non-refundable $2500 application fee. WOW, what a rip off. I attached there application if nobody else has one to laugh at. -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Support a WISP on ARIN's board- Final Slate of Candidates Announced for ARIN Board of Trustees and Advisory Council
I wanted to point out that we have an allie WISP and friend running for ARIN's Advisory board. He is... Mark Bayliss, Visual Link Internet (also known from Virginia ISP association) Please offer your support and vote, if you have an AS and eligible to vote. Why is IP space so expensive? Why do small ISPs pay the bulk of the cost, and large providers pay next to nothing per IP? Because ARIN's board usually was comprised of large ISPs. Lets get the voice of small ISPs to the ARIN board! If you agree, spread the word. Link to Voting listed below... Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc 301-515-7774 IntAirNet - Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: ARIN Member Services i...@arin.net To: t...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 3:29 PM Subject: Final Slate of Candidates Announced for ARIN Board of Trustees and Advisory Council Elections for three (3) seats on the ARIN Board of Trustees and five (5) seats on the ARIN Advisory Council will be held online 21-31 October. Details of the election procedures will be presented at the 21 October Public Policy Meeting and will be posted on ARIN's website. The final slate of candidates is: Board of Trustees: * Paul Andersen, EGATE Networks, Inc. * Scott Bradner, Harvard University * Lee Howard, Time Warner Cable * Aaron Hughes, 6connect * Frederick Silny, Charlotte Russe Holding, Inc. Advisory Council: * Mark Bayliss, Visual Link Internet * John Brown, Citylink Fiber Holdings * Rudolf Daniel, Independent * Steve Feldman, CBS Interactive * Wes George, Sprint * Chris Grundemann, TW Telecom Inc / CO ISOC * Stacy Hughes, Guavus, Inc * Kevin Hunt, Hunt Brothers of Louisiana, LLC * Mark Johnson, MCNC * Ed Kern, Cisco * Chris Morrow, Google * Christopher Savage, Davis Wright Tremaine, LLP * Heather Schiller, Verizon * Rob Seastrom, Afilias * Scott Weeks, Hawaiian Telcom * Tom Zeller, Indiana University Thomas Leonard and Bill Sandiford did not receive the 172 petition signatures from designated member representatives to be included on the final slate of candidates for the Advisory Council. Additionally note that on 29 September Kevin Kargel withdrew his candidacy from the Advisory Council. Many of the candidates will address the membership at the 21 October Members Meeting in Dearborn. Individuals unable to attend the meeting can watch the live webcast to hear the speeches. These candidate speeches will be posted to the website within 3 days. Brief biographies and a form to voice support for candidates can be found at: https://www.arin.net/app/election/ Designated member representatives (DMR) from ARIN's General Members in good standing will be eligible to vote for three (3) candidates in the Board election and five (5) candidates in the Advisory Council election. ARIN Member Services requires a name and personalized e-mail address be on record for the DMR; role accounts are not acceptable. As stated in previous announcements, the deadline for establishing voter eligibility was 7 October 2009. Warm regards, John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC WANTS UNUSED SPECTRUM GIVEN BACK
Okay We were given a spectrum that was basically being used for short distance cordless telephones and have turned it into long distance, 2-way communications with the world. All with a lousy 3 channels (2.4) They gave this spectrum away because it was basically trash to them. (Or us, since we ARE the owners of the spectrum) These 3 channels have been massaged into being a pretty good carrier for the most part. Live within your means is what I have always been told. Sure the cell carriers want more spectrum. Who doesn't?! It's saves money because you don't have to innovate around your obstacles. I say they have what they have and they have enough. We know that money talks so they'll get what they want but really, they should just find better ways to use what they already have. We want 100% broadband coverage of the United States. No, you can't have any of the spectrum out there that would certainly HELP us obtain that goal without question, but hereTake this billion bucks and go away. I'm doing what I can to make this possible and this proves it. Beating that dead horse some more Nope, still not moving Lemme check again... Nope. *Sigh* -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jree...@18-30chat.net Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC WANTS UNUSED SPECTRUM GIVEN BACK Yea but what does it mean for us? Everything I have seen makes this look like the FCC is only interested in the cell carriers. Maybe a trade can be done, some existing cellular spectrum is given over in exchange for the new spectrum? Id kill to have some cellular spectrum. http://ctia.org/media/press/body.cfm/prid/1866 The cell industry wants 800mhz more spectrum available to them. http://moconews.net/article/419-t-mobile-usa-requests-that-airwaves-once-set -aside-for-public-safety-be/ T-Mobile wants the shared commercial/public saftey spectrum that failed to sell to be taken away, sold, and possibly the proceeds used to build the public safty network in another spectrum. Chuck Profito wrote: HEY, SOMEBODY NOTICED!! BUT THEY MAY NOT REMEMBER US. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2fc5e1ac-b3a2-11de-ae8d-00144feab49a.html?nclick_c heck=1 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Support a WISP on ARIN's board- Final Slate of Candidates Announced for ARIN Board of Trustees and Advisory Council
Agreed. At first I was told it was that the IP's were getting scare but the IPV6 addresses aren't much cheaper. Lies, all lies. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Support a WISP on ARIN's board- Final Slate of Candidates Announced for ARIN Board of Trustees and Advisory Council I wanted to point out that we have an allie WISP and friend running for ARIN's Advisory board. He is... Mark Bayliss, Visual Link Internet (also known from Virginia ISP association) Please offer your support and vote, if you have an AS and eligible to vote. Why is IP space so expensive? Why do small ISPs pay the bulk of the cost, and large providers pay next to nothing per IP? Because ARIN's board usually was comprised of large ISPs. Lets get the voice of small ISPs to the ARIN board! If you agree, spread the word. Link to Voting listed below... Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc 301-515-7774 IntAirNet - Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: ARIN Member Services i...@arin.net To: t...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 3:29 PM Subject: Final Slate of Candidates Announced for ARIN Board of Trustees and Advisory Council Elections for three (3) seats on the ARIN Board of Trustees and five (5) seats on the ARIN Advisory Council will be held online 21-31 October. Details of the election procedures will be presented at the 21 October Public Policy Meeting and will be posted on ARIN's website. The final slate of candidates is: Board of Trustees: * Paul Andersen, EGATE Networks, Inc. * Scott Bradner, Harvard University * Lee Howard, Time Warner Cable * Aaron Hughes, 6connect * Frederick Silny, Charlotte Russe Holding, Inc. Advisory Council: * Mark Bayliss, Visual Link Internet * John Brown, Citylink Fiber Holdings * Rudolf Daniel, Independent * Steve Feldman, CBS Interactive * Wes George, Sprint * Chris Grundemann, TW Telecom Inc / CO ISOC * Stacy Hughes, Guavus, Inc * Kevin Hunt, Hunt Brothers of Louisiana, LLC * Mark Johnson, MCNC * Ed Kern, Cisco * Chris Morrow, Google * Christopher Savage, Davis Wright Tremaine, LLP * Heather Schiller, Verizon * Rob Seastrom, Afilias * Scott Weeks, Hawaiian Telcom * Tom Zeller, Indiana University Thomas Leonard and Bill Sandiford did not receive the 172 petition signatures from designated member representatives to be included on the final slate of candidates for the Advisory Council. Additionally note that on 29 September Kevin Kargel withdrew his candidacy from the Advisory Council. Many of the candidates will address the membership at the 21 October Members Meeting in Dearborn. Individuals unable to attend the meeting can watch the live webcast to hear the speeches. These candidate speeches will be posted to the website within 3 days. Brief biographies and a form to voice support for candidates can be found at: https://www.arin.net/app/election/ Designated member representatives (DMR) from ARIN's General Members in good standing will be eligible to vote for three (3) candidates in the Board election and five (5) candidates in the Advisory Council election. ARIN Member Services requires a name and personalized e-mail address be on record for the DMR; role accounts are not acceptable. As stated in previous announcements, the deadline for establishing voter eligibility was 7 October 2009. Warm regards, John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
That's kind of an irrelevant comparison. As Travis says, if we produce $10 trillion in GDP, it's still $10 trillion in GDP whether you also measure it in kopecks or euros or whatever. Just doesn't matter at that level. Where it does matter is, a cheaper dollar makes our exports more competitive and imports into the US less competitive. Generally that leads to higher inflation to a minor extent (it isn't more because of China's peg to the dollar), but also shifts more production to local companies...leading to greater employment. And how much do we need to buy from Europe that China can't make for us anyway? Remember, China pegs it's currency to ours to within a very narrow band. In any case, the stronger competitiveness is why, when they don't have freely floating currencies, countries around the world devalue their currencies by fiat when they are having economic problems. It's also why countries that have very strong fundamentals like to peg their currency to the dollar. It artificially strengthens their competitive position. Basically, a weakening dollar means we buy less from Europe and they buy more from us. Even oil is denominated in dollars so that doesn't change directly in cost with a weakening of the dollar. If you want to visit europe, it's a bitch, but other than that, it's not such a big deal. Our Federal policy has long been to have a strong dollar, but that's at least partly as an implicit support for developing nations, not just support for our own. Chuck On Oct 9, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: According to an article I read a couple days ago, our GDP if measured in Euros is off by 25%! That is the effect of devaluing our currency. That WILL have long-term effects on our standard of living and our place in the world. Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I understand that so instead of bread costing $2.00 per loaf, it goes up to $2.10. So because of that fear, everyone wants to find a different place to put money besides a bank? Seems strange to me. Travis Microserv Jeff Ehman wrote: Imports cost us way more money. That may not directly affect any individual consumer, but it does impact nearly every manufacturer. Cost of production increases greatly. The only way they can make money is to increase their prices to distributors who in turn have to raise the price to individual consumers. It creates inflation. -Jeff Ehman From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.commailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.commailto:coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
On Oct 9, 2009, at 9:39 AM, jp wrote: If the dollar is worth less, all the equipment we get from China, Israel, Phillipines, Latvia, Thailand, etc.., will go up in price, That isn't really true since the biggest of those is China and they peg to the dollar in a very narrow band. There is a small effect because it's a band (but a tightly restricted band) and because China has to buy commodities to manufacture. If the commodities are priced in dollars though, it's not a big effect. Since oil is bought the world over in dollars, it does not mean we export more of our own oil either. It's the same dollar whether it's used in Uruguay, Israel, or the US. We export in some cases because it is cheaper to do so, regardless of the dollar's value vis-a-vis other currencies. Chuck making our job harder. It will help US manufacturers, but we probably don't use many of them. A weaker dollar could help make us more self sufficient, but it's really the hard way to go about that change. It's already happening with photo equipment. New lenses have gone up in price; new stuff gets more expensive, even though technology says it should get less expensive. It also effects the used equipment pricing as well (upward), so that's not such an easy out if you prefer to buy used. As far as power, it will make us more of a pawn than we are when it comes to oil and gas prices. Export will be more lucrative than domestic use because of the weaker dollar, hurting our supply situation. The oil companies are all multinational corporations with no specific national loyalties. You know what supply situation problems do for fuel prices. Get your chinese made solar panels now while you still can and make an effort to be energy independent. On Fri, Oct 09, 2009 at 07:25:57AM -0600, Travis Johnson wrote: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN html head meta content=text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1 http-equiv=Content- Type /head body bgcolor=#ff text=#00 I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter?br br Travisbr Microservbr br RickG wrote: blockquote cite =mid:b8f604200910082134t218e122fuad6fa3c1f52b7...@mail.gmail.com type=cite pre wrap=put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer a class=moz- txt-link-rfc2396E href=mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com;lt;o...@odessaoffice.comgt;/a wrote: /pre blockquote type=cite pre wrap=Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. nbsp;I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho a class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href=mailto:coelh...@gmail.com lt;coelh...@gmail.comgt;/a To: WISPA General List a class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href=mailto:wireless@wispa.org lt;wireless@wispa.orggt;/a Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth /pre blockquote type=cite pre wrap=Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. nbsp;We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. nbsp;So the cycle goes: 1. nbsp;Build out X number of Towers. 2. nbsp;Market X number of Areas. 3. nbsp;Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. nbsp;They will go like the dot-coms. nbsp;Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. nbsp;Good employees are very hard to find. nbsp;For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. nbsp;You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG a class=moz-txt-link- rfc2396E href=mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com;lt;rgunder...@gmail.comgt;/a wrote: /pre blockquote type=cite pre wrap=Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
On Oct 9, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Robert West wrote: It will never, stay worth what it is today. As long as there are people out there looking to make a little extra cash, it will always creep up. It's the nature of free enterprise. There have been times when the dollar's value has gone up, not down. By policy on a national level we don't ever want to see the 1930's again though. The dollar's value creeps down from inflation because in general we want inflation...just not very much of it. If the dollar's value is rising, then spending money today instead of tomorrow means you lose value. That has the effect of dampening economic growth in those rare times when people are acting rationally (though perhaps rare, it does act like a general force). With some mild inflation, you're better off to some extent spending money now, compared to putting it in a mattress at least. Anyway, deflation is often described as a bigger threat to us, if it were to occur again, than inflation. The struggle with inflation isn't to eliminate it but to keep it predictable and relatively low-but not zero. Chuck Let's just admit we're old. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth 5% increase of costs don't stop at just bread. It costs 5% more to ship. Your WISP gear. Gas and truck. Payroll. If it costs more to get into the US it costs more to get to you. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I understand that so instead of bread costing $2.00 per loaf, it goes up to $2.10. So because of that fear, everyone wants to find a different place to put money besides a bank? Seems strange to me. Travis Microserv Jeff Ehman wrote: Imports cost us way more money. That may not directly affect any individual consumer, but it does impact nearly every manufacturer. Cost of production increases greatly. The only way they can make money is to increase their prices to distributors who in turn have to raise the price to individual consumers. It creates inflation. -Jeff Ehman From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.commailto:coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.commailto: rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels
Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth
I want to offer mobile and fixed broadband via WiMAX. I am having trouble getting access to quality spectrum. I have cash in hand ready to buy equipment TODAY. I have towers. I have potential customers. I have excess bandwidth capacity ready to roll. SPECTRUM...SPECTRUM...SPECTRUM. I hope that is clear enough! By the way, I have had enough trouble relating to the spectrum crunch in this country that I will be deploying FTTH whether I get spectrum now or not. I have learned my lesson. That lesson is that the United States government does not really care about the average WISP or rural America's access to broadband. If they really cared they would be setting up programs to help us including programs to get us access to more quality spectrum. I do not consider the current whitespaces rules to be a genuine attempt to help and the ARRA program is biased toward larger players only IMO. It almost appears they want us to fail. John Scrivner On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to deliver what you need to compete? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I can certainly respect your pay-as-you-grow approach. So how many employees do you have Marco? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to deliver what you need to compete? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Interesting. What would be your holy grail spectrum and how much? And yet, you still chose to become a WISP and you have been at it for years Gino. So what keeps you going? Surely you have optimism or else you'd have sold out by now? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 9:20 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Bingo! Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Oct 8, 2009, at 12:15 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just- micro.com wrote: I think the major barrier to wisp growth is lack of quality, NLOS spectrum. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 11:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to deliver what you need to compete? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth
700 MHz is not the panacea some might think. Technically, it is a nightmare for bi-directional services. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 9:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Imagine WISPs using 700mhz to service their customers. No stimulus package needed. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Bingo! Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Oct 8, 2009, at 12:15 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just- micro.com wrote: I think the major barrier to wisp growth is lack of quality, NLOS spectrum. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 11:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to deliver what you need to compete? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
What gets scary is when countries like China and Saudi Arabia start talking about not pegging to the dollar, or even selling commodities based on the dollar. Then it's a whole new ball game and who knows who will set the standard. We have an artificial advantage with the dollar, and if that goes away, we don't have as much fudge room. Randy Chuck Bartosch wrote: On Oct 9, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Robert West wrote: It will never, stay worth what it is today. As long as there are people out there looking to make a little extra cash, it will always creep up. It's the nature of free enterprise. There have been times when the dollar's value has gone up, not down. By policy on a national level we don't ever want to see the 1930's again though. The dollar's value creeps down from inflation because in general we want inflation...just not very much of it. If the dollar's value is rising, then spending money today instead of tomorrow means you lose value. That has the effect of dampening economic growth in those rare times when people are acting rationally (though perhaps rare, it does act like a general force). With some mild inflation, you're better off to some extent spending money now, compared to putting it in a mattress at least. Anyway, deflation is often described as a bigger threat to us, if it were to occur again, than inflation. The struggle with inflation isn't to eliminate it but to keep it predictable and relatively low-but not zero. Chuck Let's just admit we're old. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth 5% increase of costs don't stop at just bread. It costs 5% more to ship. Your WISP gear. Gas and truck. Payroll. If it costs more to get into the US it costs more to get to you. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I understand that so instead of bread costing $2.00 per loaf, it goes up to $2.10. So because of that fear, everyone wants to find a different place to put money besides a bank? Seems strange to me. Travis Microserv Jeff Ehman wrote: Imports cost us way more money. That may not directly affect any individual consumer, but it does impact nearly every manufacturer. Cost of production increases greatly. The only way they can make money is to increase their prices to distributors who in turn have to raise the price to individual consumers. It creates inflation. -Jeff Ehman From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.commailto:coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
Yep, very true. How come we never use the Chat list for these discussions? ;-) Chuck On Oct 9, 2009, at 12:29 PM, Randy Cosby wrote: What gets scary is when countries like China and Saudi Arabia start talking about not pegging to the dollar, or even selling commodities based on the dollar. Then it's a whole new ball game and who knows who will set the standard. We have an artificial advantage with the dollar, and if that goes away, we don't have as much fudge room. Randy Chuck Bartosch wrote: On Oct 9, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Robert West wrote: It will never, stay worth what it is today. As long as there are people out there looking to make a little extra cash, it will always creep up. It's the nature of free enterprise. There have been times when the dollar's value has gone up, not down. By policy on a national level we don't ever want to see the 1930's again though. The dollar's value creeps down from inflation because in general we want inflation...just not very much of it. If the dollar's value is rising, then spending money today instead of tomorrow means you lose value. That has the effect of dampening economic growth in those rare times when people are acting rationally (though perhaps rare, it does act like a general force). With some mild inflation, you're better off to some extent spending money now, compared to putting it in a mattress at least. Anyway, deflation is often described as a bigger threat to us, if it were to occur again, than inflation. The struggle with inflation isn't to eliminate it but to keep it predictable and relatively low-but not zero. Chuck Let's just admit we're old. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth 5% increase of costs don't stop at just bread. It costs 5% more to ship. Your WISP gear. Gas and truck. Payroll. If it costs more to get into the US it costs more to get to you. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I understand that so instead of bread costing $2.00 per loaf, it goes up to $2.10. So because of that fear, everyone wants to find a different place to put money besides a bank? Seems strange to me. Travis Microserv Jeff Ehman wrote: Imports cost us way more money. That may not directly affect any individual consumer, but it does impact nearly every manufacturer. Cost of production increases greatly. The only way they can make money is to increase their prices to distributors who in turn have to raise the price to individual consumers. It creates inflation. -Jeff Ehman From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.commailto:coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is
Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth
Mike, While foolish of me to get political, I'd argue that the greatest entitlements in this country these days are extended to big business, either through subsidy, shielding from accountability, protection from competition, bailing out with no or few strings (direct and literal transfer of our money to them), favorable tax breaks/structures at local state and federal levels, or even direct earmarks... Ah, the wonders of purchased influence. Now if you are an American-based small business (as we are incidentally), you are supposed to get by with a lift-yourself-up-by-the-bootstraps pep talk from your politicians as they stroke you with platitudes and praise for your hard work. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Whatever happened to the American work ethic? What ever happened to the American way of working towards the future? Both have been replaced by a want-it-now instant gratification mentality. Traditionally, a small business could become a big business by grit, determination, and hard work. It is wrong that we have become such an entitlement ready nation; if the government pays me I'll do it. I also further the idea that release of public spectrum in the UHF bands would be a great shot in the arm towards the goal of ubiquitous broadband. Cheaper than a stimulus package too. Both the government and American business have become fond of short term returns at the expense of long term gain and stability. Just how much of this stimulus money will have found its way to bringing ubiquitous broadband to the masses? I don't think it is going to solve the problem, or guarantee long term stability. Giveaways have always been fraught with fraud, cronyism and fat. While not actually a dance with the devil, submission to governmental scrutiny for the sake of subsidized expansion of your business is, in my opinion, short sighted. My ideals are more in line with wisdom handed down through the ages: The government is best which governs least. Mike At 11:42 AM 10/8/2009, you wrote: Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. I want to understand people's opposition to the Broadband Stimulus programs. Rick and other people opposed to the stimulus, can you expand on why you don't believe in the Stimulus and why you didn't apply? Are there things you think the government - FCC, congress, etc. - could do to help ISPs and expanding broadband? Tim --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] [Fwd: FW: National Inventory of Broadband Projects Website]
Here's a letter that the WISPA Board received and that WISPA Members (and future Members) may be interested in either learning from or posting WISP success stories to. jack Original Message Subject: FW: National Inventory of Broadband Projects Website Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 13:52:00 -0400 From: Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org To: jun...@ask-wi.com, "'WISPA Board Members List'" bo...@wispa.org From: Newkirk, Wendy (PSC) [mailto:wnewk...@psc.dc.gov] On Behalf Of Kane, Betty Ann (PSC) Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:15 PM To: Bill Moroney; Bruce Mehlman; Cathy Sloan; Curt Stamp; Fred Campbell; Grant Seiffert; John Rose; K. Dane Snowden; Karen Reidy; Olga Grkavac; Patricia Cooper; Ralph Hellmann; Rick Cimerman; Rick Harnish; Robert Mayer; Ross Lieberman; Todd Lantor Cc: llan...@urc.in.gov; jram...@naruc.org Subject: National Inventory of Broadband Projects Website Hello: Last Thursday, at the FCCs field hearing for the National Broadband Plan, on behalf of Indiana Commissioner Larry Landis, Chairman of the State Members of the Federal-State Joint Conference on Advanced Services (the Joint Conference is an advisory group to the FCC, established pursuant to Section 706 of the Telecommunications Act of 1996) I announced that we had activated a new website: www.BroadbandBestPractices.org. The State Members of the Joint Conference issued a press release on Friday that announced the websites launch, see: http://www.naruc.org/News/default.cfm?pr=163 The primary feature of the Joint Conference State Members website is the creation of a National Inventory of Broadband Projects and Programs, including descriptions of Lessons Learned. The objective of the website design is for public and private broadband project managers and sponsors to voluntarily add details about their infrastructure projects and/or adoption programs to the Inventory. All descriptions of broadband projects/programs can be edited and updated by the original authors or other participants as the projects/programs are completed or expanded. The Joint Conference State Membersbelieve that www.BroadbandBestPractices.org can provide a valuable data resource to federal, state and local broadband policymakers and to public and private organizations interested in developing new or expanding existing broadband infrastructure projects and adoption programs. The Joint Conference State Members request that your organization assist in the promotion and use of www.BroadbandBestPractices.org by providing a notification to your membership on your website or through correspondence to your membership and by providing a cross-link button on your website. The attachment provides a text design for the cross-link to the Joint Conference State Members website: www.BroadbandBestPractices.org. If you or your staff has any questions regarding our request, please contact my Policy Advisor, Cary Hinton, on (202) 626-9186 or by email at chin...@psc.dc.gov. Thank you. Betty Ann Kane Chairman Public Service Commission of the District of Columbia 1333 H Street NW West Tower 7th Floor Washington, DC 20005 (202) 626-5125 voice (202) 638-1785 fax (202) 486-8262 mobile email bak...@psc.dc.gov website www.dcpsc.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.7/2422 - Release Date: 10/08/09 06:39:00 -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth
For us it's mostly time and money. Which in the end means money. The gear is affordable. It's working well these days. Reliability is, over all, way up from 5 or 6 years ago. We could expand into more areas, but the costs to get INTO them are too high for the number of customers there. Most of our competition is doing a pretty good job, expanding into those areas would cost too much over the long run. Right now small amounts of money are fairly easy to come by. But with the stimulus crap going on I'm going nice and slow till I know what other money will be put into areas around me. One of the hardest things to deal with right now is spectrum. 2.4 is TRASHED. We're functional, but it's a lot more work to keep things running well than it should be. I could start moving more things to 5.x but I'm afraid I'll end up with the exact same mess there in a few years if I use the cheap wifi based stuff. shrug. At least we're moving more and more of the backhaul over. It's pretty amazing how much of a difference that's making in performance and manageability. We're also in the final planning stages of switching the network over to routed AP's. We're working on authentication mechanisms so we can do static DHCP. One thing that you as manufacturers do that makes my life harder is proprietary systems. The offer better customer retention etc. We often have better performance out of the gear. But I look at what Trango just did. We don't have much of their ptmp gear out, but we don't dare even try to put more. Now I'm overbuilding where that gear used to be so we can run someone else's system. It's hard to put products. The long term viability of the company is a factor. Much more so for ptmp systems that are not standards based. Know what would be the best thing anyone could do? You guys build a GREAT WISP centric protocol and then release it to everyone else. Better yet, everyone get together and use the best of everyone's systems. I'll bet WISPA would be happy to coordinate the effort like we did for our CALEA system. Stop waiting on the IEEE. They have gotten too big and burecratic to act in a timely fashion. We should have had Wi-MAX done a very very long time ago. By pass them, just like we all bypassed the telco to bring broadband to our communities. marlon - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to deliver what you need to compete? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth
I also see that Ubiquiti is moving away from the open source of their products. The AirMax isn't compatible with any other gear if running that feature and the firmware isn't open source for the new products. It didn't take them long to jump on that train. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth For us it's mostly time and money. Which in the end means money. The gear is affordable. It's working well these days. Reliability is, over all, way up from 5 or 6 years ago. We could expand into more areas, but the costs to get INTO them are too high for the number of customers there. Most of our competition is doing a pretty good job, expanding into those areas would cost too much over the long run. Right now small amounts of money are fairly easy to come by. But with the stimulus crap going on I'm going nice and slow till I know what other money will be put into areas around me. One of the hardest things to deal with right now is spectrum. 2.4 is TRASHED. We're functional, but it's a lot more work to keep things running well than it should be. I could start moving more things to 5.x but I'm afraid I'll end up with the exact same mess there in a few years if I use the cheap wifi based stuff. shrug. At least we're moving more and more of the backhaul over. It's pretty amazing how much of a difference that's making in performance and manageability. We're also in the final planning stages of switching the network over to routed AP's. We're working on authentication mechanisms so we can do static DHCP. One thing that you as manufacturers do that makes my life harder is proprietary systems. The offer better customer retention etc. We often have better performance out of the gear. But I look at what Trango just did. We don't have much of their ptmp gear out, but we don't dare even try to put more. Now I'm overbuilding where that gear used to be so we can run someone else's system. It's hard to put products. The long term viability of the company is a factor. Much more so for ptmp systems that are not standards based. Know what would be the best thing anyone could do? You guys build a GREAT WISP centric protocol and then release it to everyone else. Better yet, everyone get together and use the best of everyone's systems. I'll bet WISPA would be happy to coordinate the effort like we did for our CALEA system. Stop waiting on the IEEE. They have gotten too big and burecratic to act in a timely fashion. We should have had Wi-MAX done a very very long time ago. By pass them, just like we all bypassed the telco to bring broadband to our communities. marlon - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to deliver what you need to compete? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DHCP options
However, should the subscriber cascade NATs, then the DHCP server will see the MAC only of the first. If it then feeds another Wi-Fi router, you will not be able to use the MAC found with NetStumbler to trace it. If, however, an AP is connected to your service and is open, even if cascaded, you can associate with it and e-mail yourself at your office and find the IP address of your own modem that is the account from the e-mail header. Or, just ping your NOC from the associated laptop. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options We have a winner! We were discussing this very thing a month or so ago in a different thread looking for ways to discover and block. and now here it is. I'll be looking into this animal further. Thanks. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:15 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options Sure -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 11:36 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options Oh, hell yes, Brother-man! This is looking good. Can you then block that mac? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 6:29 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options Yes, and there's more. If you have a subscriber re-distributing the service through a Wi-Fi AP (such as an apartment manager offering free Internet to the renters from your service), you can get a lot of information to help you discover it. For example, NetStumbler (if you do a truckroll to the suspect with a laptop running it) will reveal the MAC address of the AP no matter what encryption they are using (it's necessarily revealed during the initial association). If it's attached to your modem and it gets it's address from your DHCP server, then the MAC address of the CPE is revealed in Option 82. A quick LeaseQuery and BINGO! . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:02 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options Okay, I see the option 82.. I'm totally new to this one. How do you log the info from it? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options This has DHCP option 82 written all over it. It's very popular in a DOCSIS environment. I assume the Alvarion equipment doesn't support option 82. If this is the case you could do it via an option 82 capable switch. The switch could tell you what port, MAC, IP, etc. Good luck. -Eric Cameron Kilton wrote: We are looking into a DHCP delivery method that doesn't require the use of Mac Addresses to enter. We are using all Alvarion VL equipment (5.x 900) the problem is: We want Customer to plug in device and get a DHCP address, easy right. Okay hard part, without the use of Mac addresses how can we tell which customers are what and log this into a database. Is there a way to control this via the radio? We don't want to use PPPoE so that option is out, we currently provide Static IP numbers for everybody but would like to get away from this in certain (cheaper) markets. Come on guys, hit me with your best ideas on this one. Were at a wall. Thank You, Cameron -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
Don't forget the fact that oil is priced by the US dollar per barrel. When the dollar gets weak the whole world notices because the price of oil goes up. While the other countries don't get affected quite so much because of the exchange rate equalizing out, we as Americans pay the increase in prices because our dollar is worth less. While it would be nice to say the heck with the rest of the world who cares what the dollar is worth, it can't be done because we are not a self sufficient country anymore. Americans don't want to work at jobs they consider menial tasks so the foreign workers have taken on those tasks. We are forced to buy imported products. If our dollar is weak against the currency of the nations) we buy the products from we all feel the increase (and that includes the costs of WISP equipment, just to stay on topic). It never ceases to amaze me how the masses want wage increases because of the cost of living. They also want higher paying jobs, yet they still go and buy cheap product from Wal-Mart and others who really push for cheap labor overseas. As a country you can't have it both ways, high paying jobs and cheap products it's going to get a lot worse before the bulk of Americans figure this out and reverse the trend. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I'm with you on that. If I'm not traveling to Europe I don't much care what the exchange rate is. Aside from impacting imports, it doesn't immediately impact the staples in my life. The power company, grocery store and the like also have to operate on the dollar so we're all in the same boat. Now, if I go to say, Spain, YIKES! It's where you live, not where you don't live. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho mailto:coelh...@gmail.com coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary mailto:ple...@apertonet.com ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
Brian, Oil is priced on the USD today. It will not be in a few months judging by the news. Then we're boned. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.comwrote: Don't forget the fact that oil is priced by the US dollar per barrel. When the dollar gets weak the whole world notices because the price of oil goes up. While the other countries don't get affected quite so much because of the exchange rate equalizing out, we as Americans pay the increase in prices because our dollar is worth less. While it would be nice to say the heck with the rest of the world who cares what the dollar is worth, it can't be done because we are not a self sufficient country anymore. Americans don't want to work at jobs they consider menial tasks so the foreign workers have taken on those tasks. We are forced to buy imported products. If our dollar is weak against the currency of the nations) we buy the products from we all feel the increase (and that includes the costs of WISP equipment, just to stay on topic). It never ceases to amaze me how the masses want wage increases because of the cost of living. They also want higher paying jobs, yet they still go and buy cheap product from Wal-Mart and others who really push for cheap labor overseas. As a country you can't have it both ways, high paying jobs and cheap products it's going to get a lot worse before the bulk of Americans figure this out and reverse the trend. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I'm with you on that. If I'm not traveling to Europe I don't much care what the exchange rate is. Aside from impacting imports, it doesn't immediately impact the staples in my life. The power company, grocery store and the like also have to operate on the dollar so we're all in the same boat. Now, if I go to say, Spain, YIKES! It's where you live, not where you don't live. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho mailto:coelh...@gmail.com coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
They should price it based on the Hungarian Pengo. I'd be happy with that. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:27 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth Brian, Oil is priced on the USD today. It will not be in a few months judging by the news. Then we're boned. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.comwrote: Don't forget the fact that oil is priced by the US dollar per barrel. When the dollar gets weak the whole world notices because the price of oil goes up. While the other countries don't get affected quite so much because of the exchange rate equalizing out, we as Americans pay the increase in prices because our dollar is worth less. While it would be nice to say the heck with the rest of the world who cares what the dollar is worth, it can't be done because we are not a self sufficient country anymore. Americans don't want to work at jobs they consider menial tasks so the foreign workers have taken on those tasks. We are forced to buy imported products. If our dollar is weak against the currency of the nations) we buy the products from we all feel the increase (and that includes the costs of WISP equipment, just to stay on topic). It never ceases to amaze me how the masses want wage increases because of the cost of living. They also want higher paying jobs, yet they still go and buy cheap product from Wal-Mart and others who really push for cheap labor overseas. As a country you can't have it both ways, high paying jobs and cheap products it's going to get a lot worse before the bulk of Americans figure this out and reverse the trend. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I'm with you on that. If I'm not traveling to Europe I don't much care what the exchange rate is. Aside from impacting imports, it doesn't immediately impact the staples in my life. The power company, grocery store and the like also have to operate on the dollar so we're all in the same boat. Now, if I go to say, Spain, YIKES! It's where you live, not where you don't live. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho mailto:coelh...@gmail.com coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
Re: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke
Try T-Mobile at $4500 here. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Kilton Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:33 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke I was interested in a Verizon Wireless tower, than they tell me there is a non-refundable $2500 application fee. WOW, what a rip off. I attached there application if nobody else has one to laugh at. -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
Ya it's hard to believe a $40k yearly salary in this country is a $20k yearly salary in Euro's. Sad times. We'll have stories to tell when we're old :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:32 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth They should price it based on the Hungarian Pengo. I'd be happy with that. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:27 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth Brian, Oil is priced on the USD today. It will not be in a few months judging by the news. Then we're boned. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.comwrote: Don't forget the fact that oil is priced by the US dollar per barrel. When the dollar gets weak the whole world notices because the price of oil goes up. While the other countries don't get affected quite so much because of the exchange rate equalizing out, we as Americans pay the increase in prices because our dollar is worth less. While it would be nice to say the heck with the rest of the world who cares what the dollar is worth, it can't be done because we are not a self sufficient country anymore. Americans don't want to work at jobs they consider menial tasks so the foreign workers have taken on those tasks. We are forced to buy imported products. If our dollar is weak against the currency of the nations) we buy the products from we all feel the increase (and that includes the costs of WISP equipment, just to stay on topic). It never ceases to amaze me how the masses want wage increases because of the cost of living. They also want higher paying jobs, yet they still go and buy cheap product from Wal-Mart and others who really push for cheap labor overseas. As a country you can't have it both ways, high paying jobs and cheap products it's going to get a lot worse before the bulk of Americans figure this out and reverse the trend. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I'm with you on that. If I'm not traveling to Europe I don't much care what the exchange rate is. Aside from impacting imports, it doesn't immediately impact the staples in my life. The power company, grocery store and the like also have to operate on the dollar so we're all in the same boat. Now, if I go to say, Spain, YIKES! It's where you live, not where you don't live. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho mailto:coelh...@gmail.com coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work
[WISPA] [FOR SALE] Product Announcements at CTI - Beehive Super Stingers Added
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[WISPA] Apologies
Sorry all for those emails. Having some troubles today. Darn Friday afternoons... -Jeff WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apologies
I only got one per original email Jeff. Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 3:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Apologies Sorry all for those emails. Having some troubles today. Darn Friday afternoons... -Jeff WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke
How is that legal!? And does apply to all antennas or to towers? And how do they define a tower? plants face on desk Tim Sylvester wrote: In Santa Cruz County California, it can cost $25K to go through the permitting process to install an antenna. The County charges $6,000 for a use permit to install a Wireless Communication Facility. That includes towers or just adding an antenna to an existing tower or rooftop. Then they charge you another $750 to $1,000 for the building permit to install the antenna. To be on the safe side you also need to hire a land-use planner for $15K to $20K to handle the permit process on your behalf. After the antenna is installed, you have to hire an engineering firm to measure the RF emissions to make sure that the new antenna operates within the FCC RF radiation exposure standards. This doesn't include any outside engineers the county might have to hire to review your application and it does not include any fees for leasing the tower or rooftop. The county code for Wireless Communications Facilities is 30 pages long with a 30 page application. Check them out at: http://www.codepublishing.com/CA/SantaCruzCounty/html/SantaCruzCounty13/Sant aCruzCounty1310.html#13.10.659 Tim -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke Try T-Mobile at $4500 here. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Kilton Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:33 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke I was interested in a Verizon Wireless tower, than they tell me there is a non-refundable $2500 application fee. WOW, what a rip off. I attached there application if nobody else has one to laugh at. -Cameron --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke
Thanks for reminding me, once again, why we moved up here from the Bay Area :-) Tom S. Vancouver, WA - Original Message - From: Tim Sylvester t...@avanzarnetworks.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke In Santa Cruz County California, it can cost $25K to go through the permitting process to install an antenna. The County charges $6,000 for a use permit to install a Wireless Communication Facility. That includes towers or just adding an antenna to an existing tower or rooftop. Then they charge you another $750 to $1,000 for the building permit to install the antenna. To be on the safe side you also need to hire a land-use planner for $15K to $20K to handle the permit process on your behalf. After the antenna is installed, you have to hire an engineering firm to measure the RF emissions to make sure that the new antenna operates within the FCC RF radiation exposure standards. This doesn't include any outside engineers the county might have to hire to review your application and it does not include any fees for leasing the tower or rooftop. The county code for Wireless Communications Facilities is 30 pages long with a 30 page application. Check them out at: http://www.codepublishing.com/CA/SantaCruzCounty/html/SantaCruzCounty13/Sant aCruzCounty1310.html#13.10.659 Tim -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke Try T-Mobile at $4500 here. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Kilton Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:33 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke I was interested in a Verizon Wireless tower, than they tell me there is a non-refundable $2500 application fee. WOW, what a rip off. I attached there application if nobody else has one to laugh at. -Cameron --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.8/2425 - Release Date: 10/09/09 08:10:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apologies
Same. On 10/9/09, Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net wrote: I only got one per original email Jeff. Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 3:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Apologies Sorry all for those emails. Having some troubles today. Darn Friday afternoons... -Jeff WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
I just cannot keep quiet on this any more. Gold, in US Dollars, was $1045 and change this morning. That sounds high, but it was higher, in constant currency terms when you look at a basket of currencies. Yes, oil still is priced in nice U.S. Dollars, and everyone is glad to have them. So far, so good. The folks in the Middle East buy German cars, use European adult personal entertainment, and go shopping - either in the sparkling new massive shopping mall in town, or again, somewhere in Europe - and the dollars get converted eventually into Euros. I used to get 80¢ to the Euro. Now it is $1.46. You can do the math on that. As long as China continues to be the 'sister nation' to the United States of America, keeping its currency fairly closely pegged to the U.S. Dollar, then everything will be fine. All the Asian countries will do their best to work on U.S. Dollar terms so as to stay competitive vis-a-vis China. But China is now sitting on TWO TRILLION - that is 2,000,000,000,000 - U.S. Dollars, and wondering what to do. If they wanted to take over the world today, instead of merely the entire Asia-Pacific region and Africa, they could simply cut the line and then let the U.S.A. dangle in the wind. As it is, China is going around the world buying everything you can imagine: years worth of factory equipment from Germany, minerals in Africa, oil and gas everywhere, iron ore from Brazil, uranium from Australia, and on and on. You should see the pictures: gigantic barges being loaded with enormous open spools of copper, a good ten feet in diameter, to be stockpiled in China, and more ore than you could possibly fathom. And now they are buying gold: gold and more gold, and the government is telling its citizens to also buy gold. Simply put, they are turning the greenbacks into hard assets. None of this will bother you, because all your gear is made from parts which are priced in U.S. Dollars, and China is keeping a good lid on things - until they stop. When the Sheiks - or Mr. Chavez - decides they want some pretty thing from Europe, and see how small their wallets are, the price of oil - yes, in U.S. Dollars - will go to the moon. The fact that oil is priced in dollars really means nothing. It is the value that the producer gets for the specific volume sold that matters, and as long as the rest of the world is getting more expensive by comparison, the more dollars the sellers will want to ensure they can keep on buying those things, regardless of what the dollar buys for you in your own backyard. By the way, milk is cheap everywhere now - in Belgium the farmers started to spray it on their fields rather than sell it, just to make demonstrate how low it has gone. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
Behold, the new $3 Dollar bill! * *http://tinyurl.com/ygpqwhr* *Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Daniel Mullen wi...@metrocom.ca wrote: I just cannot keep quiet on this any more. Gold, in US Dollars, was $1045 and change this morning. That sounds high, but it was higher, in constant currency terms when you look at a basket of currencies. Yes, oil still is priced in nice U.S. Dollars, and everyone is glad to have them. So far, so good. The folks in the Middle East buy German cars, use European adult personal entertainment, and go shopping - either in the sparkling new massive shopping mall in town, or again, somewhere in Europe - and the dollars get converted eventually into Euros. I used to get 80¢ to the Euro. Now it is $1.46. You can do the math on that. As long as China continues to be the 'sister nation' to the United States of America, keeping its currency fairly closely pegged to the U.S. Dollar, then everything will be fine. All the Asian countries will do their best to work on U.S. Dollar terms so as to stay competitive vis-a-vis China. But China is now sitting on TWO TRILLION - that is 2,000,000,000,000 - U.S. Dollars, and wondering what to do. If they wanted to take over the world today, instead of merely the entire Asia-Pacific region and Africa, they could simply cut the line and then let the U.S.A. dangle in the wind. As it is, China is going around the world buying everything you can imagine: years worth of factory equipment from Germany, minerals in Africa, oil and gas everywhere, iron ore from Brazil, uranium from Australia, and on and on. You should see the pictures: gigantic barges being loaded with enormous open spools of copper, a good ten feet in diameter, to be stockpiled in China, and more ore than you could possibly fathom. And now they are buying gold: gold and more gold, and the government is telling its citizens to also buy gold. Simply put, they are turning the greenbacks into hard assets. None of this will bother you, because all your gear is made from parts which are priced in U.S. Dollars, and China is keeping a good lid on things - until they stop. When the Sheiks - or Mr. Chavez - decides they want some pretty thing from Europe, and see how small their wallets are, the price of oil - yes, in U.S. Dollars - will go to the moon. The fact that oil is priced in dollars really means nothing. It is the value that the producer gets for the specific volume sold that matters, and as long as the rest of the world is getting more expensive by comparison, the more dollars the sellers will want to ensure they can keep on buying those things, regardless of what the dollar buys for you in your own backyard. By the way, milk is cheap everywhere now - in Belgium the farmers started to spray it on their fields rather than sell it, just to make demonstrate how low it has gone. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
That brings up an interesting factor. China is completely stuck with us as long as the dollar is cheap. They bought them when the dollar was dear (over time of course, and with a sliding range of values) but if they even started to unload now, not only would they take a huge hit compared to what they comparatively paid, they would also drive down the dollar's value even further making it even more difficult for them to unload. In other words, at a whim they could screw us royally...but they'd have to screw themselves to do it. Definitely an interesting problem. And they don't have a short term fix to this issue. As much as they talk about an alternative currency, they can't afford to have that happen when the dollar is down. And they are more-or-less forced to keep loaning to the US government for the same basic reason, until they decide to bite the bullet anyway. So, the sky isn't falling. Yet. Chuck On Oct 9, 2009, at 3:29 PM, Daniel Mullen wrote: I just cannot keep quiet on this any more. Gold, in US Dollars, was $1045 and change this morning. That sounds high, but it was higher, in constant currency terms when you look at a basket of currencies. Yes, oil still is priced in nice U.S. Dollars, and everyone is glad to have them. So far, so good. The folks in the Middle East buy German cars, use European adult personal entertainment, and go shopping - either in the sparkling new massive shopping mall in town, or again, somewhere in Europe - and the dollars get converted eventually into Euros. I used to get 80¢ to the Euro. Now it is $1.46. You can do the math on that. As long as China continues to be the 'sister nation' to the United States of America, keeping its currency fairly closely pegged to the U.S. Dollar, then everything will be fine. All the Asian countries will do their best to work on U.S. Dollar terms so as to stay competitive vis-a-vis China. But China is now sitting on TWO TRILLION - that is 2,000,000,000,000 - U.S. Dollars, and wondering what to do. If they wanted to take over the world today, instead of merely the entire Asia-Pacific region and Africa, they could simply cut the line and then let the U.S.A. dangle in the wind. As it is, China is going around the world buying everything you can imagine: years worth of factory equipment from Germany, minerals in Africa, oil and gas everywhere, iron ore from Brazil, uranium from Australia, and on and on. You should see the pictures: gigantic barges being loaded with enormous open spools of copper, a good ten feet in diameter, to be stockpiled in China, and more ore than you could possibly fathom. And now they are buying gold: gold and more gold, and the government is telling its citizens to also buy gold. Simply put, they are turning the greenbacks into hard assets. None of this will bother you, because all your gear is made from parts which are priced in U.S. Dollars, and China is keeping a good lid on things - until they stop. When the Sheiks - or Mr. Chavez - decides they want some pretty thing from Europe, and see how small their wallets are, the price of oil - yes, in U.S. Dollars - will go to the moon. The fact that oil is priced in dollars really means nothing. It is the value that the producer gets for the specific volume sold that matters, and as long as the rest of the world is getting more expensive by comparison, the more dollars the sellers will want to ensure they can keep on buying those things, regardless of what the dollar buys for you in your own backyard. By the way, milk is cheap everywhere now - in Belgium the farmers started to spray it on their fields rather than sell it, just to make demonstrate how low it has gone. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke
And then you charge the end user / customer 40 bucks a month. Right? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tim Sylvester Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 3:08 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke In Santa Cruz County California, it can cost $25K to go through the permitting process to install an antenna. The County charges $6,000 for a use permit to install a Wireless Communication Facility. That includes towers or just adding an antenna to an existing tower or rooftop. Then they charge you another $750 to $1,000 for the building permit to install the antenna. To be on the safe side you also need to hire a land-use planner for $15K to $20K to handle the permit process on your behalf. After the antenna is installed, you have to hire an engineering firm to measure the RF emissions to make sure that the new antenna operates within the FCC RF radiation exposure standards. This doesn't include any outside engineers the county might have to hire to review your application and it does not include any fees for leasing the tower or rooftop. The county code for Wireless Communications Facilities is 30 pages long with a 30 page application. Check them out at: http://www.codepublishing.com/CA/SantaCruzCounty/html/SantaCruzCounty13/Sant aCruzCounty1310.html#13.10.659 Tim -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke Try T-Mobile at $4500 here. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Kilton Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:33 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke I was interested in a Verizon Wireless tower, than they tell me there is a non-refundable $2500 application fee. WOW, what a rip off. I attached there application if nobody else has one to laugh at. -Cameron --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] HELP!!!
Help, I had a tower go down. My whole network is down since yesterday. We are putting up a 170ft tower. Pouring hot concrete tomorrow morning and looking to stack the steel monday and be back up and running. I have all replacement gear for Saturday delivery but the stuff from pac wireless. I can't get them on the phone to see if it went out. If not, I have two options. I have a friend in Chicago right now for a wedding, he can bring the stuff back or I'll drive 6 hrs and do it myself. I need an after hrs contact of someone at pac who can get stuff done. I need them to tell me if items were shipped or let me in the shop to pick them up. I am limited on email. Please call me and if I don't answer leave message. I need contact info for pac please! Also, pray for the guy that rode the elevater leg to the ground. It's been 36 hrs and he's still alive. Links to video and story. http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/central_mich/Faulty_weld_caused_silo_accident http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/central_mich/silo_accident ' Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] HELP!!!
Brian, Are you talking about Pac Wireless proper or a Pac Wireless distributor? What equipment are you lacking? Maybe someone here can help fill the equipment holes if it doesn't show up. I watched that video, shsh! I have one really wobbly grain leg I use that is only half that high, I can't imagine what was going through that guy's head with it was falling. Good luck to him, to be sure. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 6:09 PM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] HELP!!! Help, I had a tower go down. My whole network is down since yesterday. We are putting up a 170ft tower. Pouring hot concrete tomorrow morning and looking to stack the steel monday and be back up and running. I have all replacement gear for Saturday delivery but the stuff from pac wireless. I can't get them on the phone to see if it went out. If not, I have two options. I have a friend in Chicago right now for a wedding, he can bring the stuff back or I'll drive 6 hrs and do it myself. I need an after hrs contact of someone at pac who can get stuff done. I need them to tell me if items were shipped or let me in the shop to pick them up. I am limited on email. Please call me and if I don't answer leave message. I need contact info for pac please! Also, pray for the guy that rode the elevater leg to the ground. It's been 36 hrs and he's still alive. Links to video and story. http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/central_mich/Faulty_weld_caused_silo_ac cident http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/central_mich/silo_accident ' Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] HELP!!!
Oh, forgot.. Be careful stacking that steel with only a one day cure unless you're using a good mix! We don't need another accident! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 6:09 PM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] HELP!!! Help, I had a tower go down. My whole network is down since yesterday. We are putting up a 170ft tower. Pouring hot concrete tomorrow morning and looking to stack the steel monday and be back up and running. I have all replacement gear for Saturday delivery but the stuff from pac wireless. I can't get them on the phone to see if it went out. If not, I have two options. I have a friend in Chicago right now for a wedding, he can bring the stuff back or I'll drive 6 hrs and do it myself. I need an after hrs contact of someone at pac who can get stuff done. I need them to tell me if items were shipped or let me in the shop to pick them up. I am limited on email. Please call me and if I don't answer leave message. I need contact info for pac please! Also, pray for the guy that rode the elevater leg to the ground. It's been 36 hrs and he's still alive. Links to video and story. http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/central_mich/Faulty_weld_caused_silo_ac cident http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/central_mich/silo_accident ' Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] MT half channel
What is the trick to making a pair of R52Ns talk to each other using half or quarter channels? I have no problem with the XR2s. I can have them talking at 20 MHz, and when I turn on half channel they don't register. 4.0rc1 (as of last night) :-) Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] HELP!!!
Roc Noc just west of Chicago came through for me on a Saturday. Not sure what it is you need exactly. Thanks again, Tom!!! Good luck and be safe. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Oh, forgot.. Be careful stacking that steel with only a one day cure unless you're using a good mix! We don't need another accident! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 6:09 PM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] HELP!!! Help, I had a tower go down. My whole network is down since yesterday. We are putting up a 170ft tower. Pouring hot concrete tomorrow morning and looking to stack the steel monday and be back up and running. I have all replacement gear for Saturday delivery but the stuff from pac wireless. I can't get them on the phone to see if it went out. If not, I have two options. I have a friend in Chicago right now for a wedding, he can bring the stuff back or I'll drive 6 hrs and do it myself. I need an after hrs contact of someone at pac who can get stuff done. I need them to tell me if items were shipped or let me in the shop to pick them up. I am limited on email. Please call me and if I don't answer leave message. I need contact info for pac please! Also, pray for the guy that rode the elevater leg to the ground. It's been 36 hrs and he's still alive. Links to video and story. http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/central_mich/Faulty_weld_caused_silo_ac cident http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/central_mich/silo_accident ' Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT half channel
There is an issue about not choosing the correct channel it wants to look at. Try selecting a different channel and / or putting what you put on the bridge or ap in the other side scan list. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 6:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] MT half channel What is the trick to making a pair of R52Ns talk to each other using half or quarter channels? I have no problem with the XR2s. I can have them talking at 20 MHz, and when I turn on half channel they don't register. 4.0rc1 (as of last night) :-) Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke
If you keep wireless in perspective, 13.10.660 (e) (10) exempts you from 13.10.660 through 13.10.668, inclusive, and the 30 page app. As far as Tom's county, they have the same type of requirements except it only applies to licensed freq's not unlicensed. Frank Tim Sylvester wrote: In Santa Cruz County California, it can cost $25K to go through the permitting process to install an antenna. The County charges $6,000 for a use permit to install a Wireless Communication Facility. That includes towers or just adding an antenna to an existing tower or rooftop. Then they charge you another $750 to $1,000 for the building permit to install the antenna. To be on the safe side you also need to hire a land-use planner for $15K to $20K to handle the permit process on your behalf. After the antenna is installed, you have to hire an engineering firm to measure the RF emissions to make sure that the new antenna operates within the FCC RF radiation exposure standards. This doesn't include any outside engineers the county might have to hire to review your application and it does not include any fees for leasing the tower or rooftop. The county code for Wireless Communications Facilities is 30 pages long with a 30 page application. Check them out at: http://www.codepublishing.com/CA/SantaCruzCounty/html/SantaCruzCounty13/Sant aCruzCounty1310.html#13.10.659 Tim -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke Try T-Mobile at $4500 here. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Kilton Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:33 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke I was interested in a Verizon Wireless tower, than they tell me there is a non-refundable $2500 application fee. WOW, what a rip off. I attached there application if nobody else has one to laugh at. -Cameron --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth
I didn't apply for two main reasons. 1: they want the whole company and don't tell you when (if ever) you'll get it back. 2: My areas are already covered better than what's allowed under the grants. We've done a good job in the past and our reward is government funded potential competition, gotta love that one. Oh yeah, 3: If you take Obama money you are required to wholesale access to the network at fair and reasonable rates. Anyone know what that really means? Me neither. I figure if someone comes here I'll just make them sell to me at good rates and I'll not have to deal with the grant hassles. marlon - Original Message - From: Tim Sylvester t...@avanzarnetworks.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. I want to understand people's opposition to the Broadband Stimulus programs. Rick and other people opposed to the stimulus, can you expand on why you don't believe in the Stimulus and why you didn't apply? Are there things you think the government - FCC, congress, etc. - could do to help ISPs and expanding broadband? Tim WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke
Section 13.10.660 (3) (10) talks about: Small scale, low powered, short-range wireless internet transmitter/receivers (e.g., Wi-Fi hotspots). Would that include WiMAX? Tim -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Frank Crawford Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke If you keep wireless in perspective, 13.10.660 (e) (10) exempts you from 13.10.660 through 13.10.668, inclusive, and the 30 page app. As far as Tom's county, they have the same type of requirements except it only applies to licensed freq's not unlicensed. Frank Tim Sylvester wrote: In Santa Cruz County California, it can cost $25K to go through the permitting process to install an antenna. The County charges $6,000 for a use permit to install a Wireless Communication Facility. That includes towers or just adding an antenna to an existing tower or rooftop. Then they charge you another $750 to $1,000 for the building permit to install the antenna. To be on the safe side you also need to hire a land-use planner for $15K to $20K to handle the permit process on your behalf. After the antenna is installed, you have to hire an engineering firm to measure the RF emissions to make sure that the new antenna operates within the FCC RF radiation exposure standards. This doesn't include any outside engineers the county might have to hire to review your application and it does not include any fees for leasing the tower or rooftop. The county code for Wireless Communications Facilities is 30 pages long with a 30 page application. Check them out at: http://www.codepublishing.com/CA/SantaCruzCounty/html/SantaCruzCounty13 /Sant aCruzCounty1310.html#13.10.659 Tim -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke Try T-Mobile at $4500 here. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Kilton Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:33 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke I was interested in a Verizon Wireless tower, than they tell me there is a non-refundable $2500 application fee. WOW, what a rip off. I attached there application if nobody else has one to laugh at. -Cameron --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT half channel
Scott: Can you elaborate on the issue? I can't seem to be able to make them associate at either 1/2 or 1/4 channel. Strong signals when I establish a link with 20 MHz. I tried putting the MAC of the AP in the access list, or is that what you meant? Mike At 06:41 PM 10/9/2009, you wrote: There is an issue about not choosing the correct channel it wants to look at. Try selecting a different channel and / or putting what you put on the bridge or ap in the other side scan list. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 6:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] MT half channel What is the trick to making a pair of R52Ns talk to each other using half or quarter channels? I have no problem with the XR2s. I can have them talking at 20 MHz, and when I turn on half channel they don't register. 4.0rc1 (as of last night) :-) Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth
Anyone remember how licenses were handed out for UHF or VHF two way systems? Any reason a guy can't use that mechanism again? I don't know how much spectrum was available per channel. If it were even 500khz that's enough to move a lot of data these days. marlon - Original Message - From: Tim Sylvester t...@avanzarnetworks.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth I also further the idea that release of public spectrum in the UHF bands would be a great shot in the arm towards the goal of ubiquitous broadband. Cheaper than a stimulus package too. OK. We are getting somewhere. You do want the government to do something. You want the government to open up the UHF bands for wireless data services. How should this be done? Should the spectrum be free or sold at auction to the highest bidder? Unlicensed, licensed, or semi-licensed? What restrictions, if any, should be placed on the devices using the spectrum - power output, cognitive radios, etc.? What about interference with wireless mics? Tim WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth
Try 12.5 kHz. Channel size Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:31:16 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Anyone remember how licenses were handed out for UHF or VHF two way systems? Any reason a guy can't use that mechanism again? I don't know how much spectrum was available per channel. If it were even 500khz that's enough to move a lot of data these days. marlon - Original Message - From: Tim Sylvester t...@avanzarnetworks.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth I also further the idea that release of public spectrum in the UHF bands would be a great shot in the arm towards the goal of ubiquitous broadband. Cheaper than a stimulus package too. OK. We are getting somewhere. You do want the government to do something. You want the government to open up the UHF bands for wireless data services. How should this be done? Should the spectrum be free or sold at auction to the highest bidder? Unlicensed, licensed, or semi-licensed? What restrictions, if any, should be placed on the devices using the spectrum - power output, cognitive radios, etc.? What about interference with wireless mics? Tim WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth
The UHF business band is STILL very busy. It occupies 450 -470 MHz. Small town comms and most towns without a trunking system still use UHF. Oh yeah, it propagates very well too. Mike At 08:31 PM 10/9/2009, you wrote: Anyone remember how licenses were handed out for UHF or VHF two way systems? Any reason a guy can't use that mechanism again? I don't know how much spectrum was available per channel. If it were even 500khz that's enough to move a lot of data these days. marlon - Original Message - From: Tim Sylvester t...@avanzarnetworks.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth I also further the idea that release of public spectrum in the UHF bands would be a great shot in the arm towards the goal of ubiquitous broadband. Cheaper than a stimulus package too. OK. We are getting somewhere. You do want the government to do something. You want the government to open up the UHF bands for wireless data services. How should this be done? Should the spectrum be free or sold at auction to the highest bidder? Unlicensed, licensed, or semi-licensed? What restrictions, if any, should be placed on the devices using the spectrum - power output, cognitive radios, etc.? What about interference with wireless mics? Tim WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke
Most of the ordnances that I have researched go out of there way to provide definitions for the terms that someone has deemed appropriate, with that said, there are no definitions for small scale, low powered, or short-range, compared to other wireless like cellular I'm inclined to include WIMAX, especially if it was my setup and my money. I think the operative term in the ordinance was visually inconspicuous. Frank Tim Sylvester wrote: Section 13.10.660 (3) (10) talks about: Small scale, low powered, short-range wireless internet transmitter/receivers (e.g., Wi-Fi hotspots). Would that include WiMAX? Tim -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Frank Crawford Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke If you keep wireless in perspective, 13.10.660 (e) (10) exempts you from 13.10.660 through 13.10.668, inclusive, and the 30 page app. As far as Tom's county, they have the same type of requirements except it only applies to licensed freq's not unlicensed. Frank Tim Sylvester wrote: In Santa Cruz County California, it can cost $25K to go through the permitting process to install an antenna. The County charges $6,000 for a use permit to install a Wireless Communication Facility. That includes towers or just adding an antenna to an existing tower or rooftop. Then they charge you another $750 to $1,000 for the building permit to install the antenna. To be on the safe side you also need to hire a land-use planner for $15K to $20K to handle the permit process on your behalf. After the antenna is installed, you have to hire an engineering firm to measure the RF emissions to make sure that the new antenna operates within the FCC RF radiation exposure standards. This doesn't include any outside engineers the county might have to hire to review your application and it does not include any fees for leasing the tower or rooftop. The county code for Wireless Communications Facilities is 30 pages long with a 30 page application. Check them out at: http://www.codepublishing.com/CA/SantaCruzCounty/html/SantaCruzCounty13 /Sant aCruzCounty1310.html#13.10.659 Tim -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke Try T-Mobile at $4500 here. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Kilton Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:33 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke I was interested in a Verizon Wireless tower, than they tell me there is a non-refundable $2500 application fee. WOW, what a rip off. I attached there application if nobody else has one to laugh at. -Cameron --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT half channel
I've seen this with R5H cards under 3.28. Didn't have a whole lot of time to troubleshoot, ended up putting it in to production with a 20mhz channel. On 10/9/09, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Scott: Can you elaborate on the issue? I can't seem to be able to make them associate at either 1/2 or 1/4 channel. Strong signals when I establish a link with 20 MHz. I tried putting the MAC of the AP in the access list, or is that what you meant? Mike At 06:41 PM 10/9/2009, you wrote: There is an issue about not choosing the correct channel it wants to look at. Try selecting a different channel and / or putting what you put on the bridge or ap in the other side scan list. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 6:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] MT half channel What is the trick to making a pair of R52Ns talk to each other using half or quarter channels? I have no problem with the XR2s. I can have them talking at 20 MHz, and when I turn on half channel they don't register. 4.0rc1 (as of last night) :-) Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Sent from my mobile device WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke
Let's not forget that 49% of Verizon Wireless is Vodafone, a foreign company. T-Mobile is German. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:43 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke I'll pass, I'm not giving Verizon any more money for anything. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:27 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke Run away and run away quickly. I was down this route not long ago and gave it up. The costs were way too high for little ol' me. I couldn't justify the cost. Sitting down with the entire picture laid out to me by the red tape of Crown Castle, it came out to be cheaper to install my own tower, at least in my area anyhow because the costs aren't so bad. I didn't have to do that even because I eventually had a sweetheart situation fall into my hands and now it's all good. Look at all other alternatives, no matter how crazy they may sound before shelling out that much jack for a tower lease. Unless of course you are rolling in dough and can wait 6 months or more to install Keep smiling! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Kilton Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:33 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke I was interested in a Verizon Wireless tower, than they tell me there is a non-refundable $2500 application fee. WOW, what a rip off. I attached there application if nobody else has one to laugh at. -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth
I'd imagine the 1 GHz spectrum would be best if we can get power. Decent propagation and small enough antennas for frequency reuse. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:26 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth 700 MHz is not the panacea some might think. Technically, it is a nightmare for bi-directional services. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 9:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Imagine WISPs using 700mhz to service their customers. No stimulus package needed. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Bingo! Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Oct 8, 2009, at 12:15 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just- micro.com wrote: I think the major barrier to wisp growth is lack of quality, NLOS spectrum. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 11:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to deliver what you need to compete? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875
[WISPA] Network and government relationships: was Re: Barriers to WISP growth
Hi All, I'm going to cross post this because I think it relates closely to work we're either in the middle of or about to tackle To toss in a little note here. For the record I'm conservative, actually more of a constitutionalist I'd guess. I think the founding fathers were 99.9% right. David Isenberg wrote a piece several years back. It talks about a natural monopoly vs. an un natural monopoly. Things that don't physically make since to do twice make a good natural monopoly. Roads, gas pipelines, water lines, sewer lines etc. There's only so much room in the ground. restaurants, gas stations, sat. tv providers, phone companies etc. are un natural monopolies. http://www.isen.com/archives/020805.html http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/politics/2005/wi-fi_isenberg_keynote.html http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=natural+monopoly+isenberg Another very interesting and germane concept is that of the Stupid network: This should probably be required reading for anyone interested in the net neutrality debate: http://www.isen.com/stupid.html laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Chris, thank you for that reality check. I agree with you. My only wish is that those areas you mentioned is where the government stopped. Let business do business. Let me make a buck without the government telling me how or giving someone else the tax money I pay to try to compete with me. But this is not a perfect nation but I wouldn't trade her for any other in the world. (except maybe my own private island, but that will have to wait for the next round of ARRA money) Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Having spent some time in some rugged spots in the world I can say by comparison that Im happy with some things the government does. Clean, potable water is nice as are decent roads, fire protection and lack of Malaria. It aint all bad. Chris -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 3:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Well said! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 9:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Seriously? Name one thing the government has done right in the last 200 years. The list should start and end with the military and that can be argued either way. The only thing the government could do to help is to not do anything at all. Josh Luthman WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
