[WISPA] Nano Sation 2
Need NS2's anyone have them? Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:47 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Thank You for Your Service! I know that many WISPs are Veterans. I think the business of being a WISP sort of attracts the vets. It is the business of going where no one has gone before, making it work and storming the path. I want to say, Thank you for your Service and it was an honor to serve! To all you USMC vets, Semper Fi! God bless, Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.comhttp://stlbroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.comhttp://showmebroadband.com/ Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB File: ATT1.c OLE Object: Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Thank You for Your Service!
Amen V! Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:47 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Thank You for Your Service! I know that many WISPs are Veterans. I think the business of being a WISP sort of attracts the vets. It is the business of going where no one has gone before, making it work and storming the path. I want to say, Thank you for your Service and it was an honor to serve! To all you USMC vets, Semper Fi! God bless, Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com http://showmebroadband.com/ Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB OLE Object: Picture (Device Independent Bitmap)File: ATT00172.txt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2
I'm also looking for these, So +1 :) Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:25 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2 Need NS2's anyone have them? Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:47 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Thank You for Your Service! I know that many WISPs are Veterans. I think the business of being a WISP sort of attracts the vets. It is the business of going where no one has gone before, making it work and storming the path. I want to say, Thank you for your Service and it was an honor to serve! To all you USMC vets, Semper Fi! God bless, Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.comhttp://stlbroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.comhttp://showmebroadband.com/ Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB File: ATT1.c OLE Object: Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
You can roll your own middleware until you have to deal with encryption. Most IPTV settop boxes are provisioned via bootp to push out the OS and the channel maps, so it is a trivial matter to provision a STB on your own. Encryption, however, complicates matters a lot and, as Jayson mentioned, even if you could roll your own, it doesn't matter the networks require specific platform and aren't going to trust home-grown solutions. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:20 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Jayson Baker wrote: Echostar's IPTV product is different from DISH Network's wholesale/resellable service. DISH cannot cross ROW's. Echo IPTV can, it was designed to do just that. Middleware was something I wasn't too heavily involved in, to be honest with you. But I do know your IPTV STB won't run without it. Take a look at Minerva - great middleware. You must use an approved middleware to get hooked up with the big boys like Disney -- they want to ensure that only people you sell their picture to are able to get it (i.e. encrypted, with a middleware controlling encryption and access). etc. etc. etc. Bah! Now see that kills the Roku's and other STB's like them. I wonder how they deal with netflix/hulu on xbox/ps3 On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:56 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Jayson Baker wrote: Building the headend isn't that difficult, you're right. Ours was actually pretty simple. We used multi-channel satellite receivers; each tuned 32 channels I think. It had an ASI output. Thats more channels then I am even really looking to start will, unless I can find a 'prepackaged' setup with more. We'd take the ASI stream, and run it into an ASI-input PCI card. Each card took 4 ASI streams, and was about $1000 each. Linux software on the server pulled each channel out of the ASI and converted it to MPEG 4. Cheap, easy, simple. They'd put out a multicast stream, which our network took and pushed out the fiber ring. We even had it going down some wireless links, so I could get it at my house 20 miles away. The money in the headend comes in when you by the middleware -- this you cannot just roll your own Middleware handles billing, authentication, licenses, guide, etc. I must be missing something. It seams to me that billing and authentication are simple and can be handled by the system that I pretty much have in place now. I am not sure what licenses such software would need to deal with. A guide is pretty easy too, unless there is some form of 'Intellectual Property' BS going on with rolling your own guide capabilities. Making deals with companies to rebroadcast their channels is going to be another major hurdle. Unless you are big (i.e. have $$$) don't think you'll be carrying anything in the Disney/ESPN/ABC family. And forget about HBO. You'll need a fancy (i.e. $$$) lawyer who has been down this road before to negotiate these deals. When we set ours up, we hired a lawyer away from Comcast. After everything was in place, he went on to other things. Yea thats what I figured. Echostar has an IPTV solution, you may want to look into that. AFAIK, you pay them for everything, and they handle it all. Their feed, their headend, their encoders, their middleware, their STB's. One nice thing about that is it's the same DISH Network interface a lot of satellite users are already used to. What I have looked into with them is they have a may not cross public right of way clause making is useless for anything except MDU's, or is that only with dish network label setups? Will check it out. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:16 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Thats the problem, if I had 50K sitting around for gear, I would not be putting it into TV (well, maybe I would be, but more BW, more towers, faster clients, etc come to mind sooner). I can build a head end for far far less then that, If I stuck to the free channels or made my won deals with each channel. There are 1000's (well, close) of free to air channels out there. Some even give explicit permission to rebroadcast the channel, as long as you notify them etc. I was hoping to find a place that would let me purchase channels X, Y, and Z, etc. The locals are easy enough to deal with. So, Looks like I will need to do my own head end, no biggie over all. Who do I talk to about licensing? I knwo some channels are direct, some are not. Is there a list? And, can a person who already has a license sub-license to me? Like MDU style? I know Charter does that, if you have enough people (IE I suspect enough money) If I could sublet off of a existing licensee and do my own IP transport, that would work out pretty well. Anyone have a license contract they can share? (most
Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
Most of the processing stuff can be done on Linux with VLC and/or FFMpeg (for IP to ASI conversion, transcoding/transrating, etc...) -Clint Ricker On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.comwrote: We're operate a small cable TV company in a minor section of our service area and carry about 55 channels which includes most of the major networks. We're interested in deploying IPTV. What middleware software would you recommend? You mentioned you used Linux in your headend environment. Can you elaborate on that setup, such as the software you were using to convert the channels to IP Multicast, set-top boxes being used, software providing channel guides, etc etc? Thanks. -- Blake Covarrubias On Nov 9, 2009, at 9:25 AM, Jayson Baker wrote: Building the headend isn't that difficult, you're right. Ours was actually pretty simple. We used multi-channel satellite receivers; each tuned 32 channels I think. It had an ASI output. We'd take the ASI stream, and run it into an ASI-input PCI card. Each card took 4 ASI streams, and was about $1000 each. Linux software on the server pulled each channel out of the ASI and converted it to MPEG 4. Cheap, easy, simple. They'd put out a multicast stream, which our network took and pushed out the fiber ring. We even had it going down some wireless links, so I could get it at my house 20 miles away. The money in the headend comes in when you by the middleware -- this you cannot just roll your own Middleware handles billing, authentication, licenses, guide, etc. Making deals with companies to rebroadcast their channels is going to be another major hurdle. Unless you are big (i.e. have $$$) don't think you'll be carrying anything in the Disney/ESPN/ABC family. And forget about HBO. You'll need a fancy (i.e. $$$) lawyer who has been down this road before to negotiate these deals. When we set ours up, we hired a lawyer away from Comcast. After everything was in place, he went on to other things. Echostar has an IPTV solution, you may want to look into that. AFAIK, you pay them for everything, and they handle it all. Their feed, their headend, their encoders, their middleware, their STB's. One nice thing about that is it's the same DISH Network interface a lot of satellite users are already used to. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:16 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Thats the problem, if I had 50K sitting around for gear, I would not be putting it into TV (well, maybe I would be, but more BW, more towers, faster clients, etc come to mind sooner). I can build a head end for far far less then that, If I stuck to the free channels or made my won deals with each channel. There are 1000's (well, close) of free to air channels out there. Some even give explicit permission to rebroadcast the channel, as long as you notify them etc. I was hoping to find a place that would let me purchase channels X, Y, and Z, etc. The locals are easy enough to deal with. So, Looks like I will need to do my own head end, no biggie over all. Who do I talk to about licensing? I knwo some channels are direct, some are not. Is there a list? And, can a person who already has a license sub-license to me? Like MDU style? I know Charter does that, if you have enough people (IE I suspect enough money) If I could sublet off of a existing licensee and do my own IP transport, that would work out pretty well. Anyone have a license contract they can share? (most seam to have some NDA stuffs) can...@believewireless.net wrote: When we looked into Avail Media, it was a $500,000 investment to start if I remember correctly. (Headend, set top boxes, etc.) On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Have a look at Avail Media. We used them in the past for an FTTH project I was involved in. They will provide you the headend, and satellite feeds from their super-headend (aggregator). They work with the networks and it makes licensing and such a little easier. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:44 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: I have been looking at some IPTV options and basically, there does not seam to be a whole lot of options. I can A) build my own IP headend B) nada . I can not find a single IPTV provider that truly caters to the resident, soho, etc. There is one that does so for huge cable op's but thats not where I am at, yet =) I can build my own head end no problem. Licensing is the primary issues there. I am guessing that is what is stopping the explosion of retail IPTV and instead pushing the more a la carte IP video streamers like NetFlix, HuLu, et al. So, what options exist for IPTV ? WISPA
Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
If you're skeptical about putting $50k into IPTV, you probably need to be looking elsewhere. Even rolling your own, it can easily run you more than that. Satellite receivers are expensive. ASI to IP conversion is expensive. The likely upgrades to your network to handle the increased load is expensive. Then there's the problem that wireless gear and IPTV don't mix very well. Even all the matters of jitter / QOS aside that require some effort to get VoIP over wireless working well, most APs deployed today just don't have the throughput. You're basically talking about sustaining a 2Mbps stream (for mpeg4 SD stream) or, if you try to do HD, 10Mbps for each STB downstream of your access point. Most of the wireless gear in the market breaks down very quickly under that sort of load. On the other hand, if you're talking MDUs, wireless can handle the backhaul to a wired network without an issue. -Clint On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:16 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Thats the problem, if I had 50K sitting around for gear, I would not be putting it into TV (well, maybe I would be, but more BW, more towers, faster clients, etc come to mind sooner). I can build a head end for far far less then that, If I stuck to the free channels or made my won deals with each channel. There are 1000's (well, close) of free to air channels out there. Some even give explicit permission to rebroadcast the channel, as long as you notify them etc. I was hoping to find a place that would let me purchase channels X, Y, and Z, etc. The locals are easy enough to deal with. So, Looks like I will need to do my own head end, no biggie over all. Who do I talk to about licensing? I knwo some channels are direct, some are not. Is there a list? And, can a person who already has a license sub-license to me? Like MDU style? I know Charter does that, if you have enough people (IE I suspect enough money) If I could sublet off of a existing licensee and do my own IP transport, that would work out pretty well. Anyone have a license contract they can share? (most seam to have some NDA stuffs) can...@believewireless.net wrote: When we looked into Avail Media, it was a $500,000 investment to start if I remember correctly. (Headend, set top boxes, etc.) On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Have a look at Avail Media. We used them in the past for an FTTH project I was involved in. They will provide you the headend, and satellite feeds from their super-headend (aggregator). They work with the networks and it makes licensing and such a little easier. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:44 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: I have been looking at some IPTV options and basically, there does not seam to be a whole lot of options. I can A) build my own IP headend B) nada . I can not find a single IPTV provider that truly caters to the resident, soho, etc. There is one that does so for huge cable op's but thats not where I am at, yet =) I can build my own head end no problem. Licensing is the primary issues there. I am guessing that is what is stopping the explosion of retail IPTV and instead pushing the more a la carte IP video streamers like NetFlix, HuLu, et al. So, what options exist for IPTV ? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
Do you mean I can't just point a web cam at my TV and have the customer call me when they want to change the channel??? I need to rethink this then. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Clint Ricker Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it? If you're skeptical about putting $50k into IPTV, you probably need to be looking elsewhere. Even rolling your own, it can easily run you more than that. Satellite receivers are expensive. ASI to IP conversion is expensive. The likely upgrades to your network to handle the increased load is expensive. Then there's the problem that wireless gear and IPTV don't mix very well. Even all the matters of jitter / QOS aside that require some effort to get VoIP over wireless working well, most APs deployed today just don't have the throughput. You're basically talking about sustaining a 2Mbps stream (for mpeg4 SD stream) or, if you try to do HD, 10Mbps for each STB downstream of your access point. Most of the wireless gear in the market breaks down very quickly under that sort of load. On the other hand, if you're talking MDUs, wireless can handle the backhaul to a wired network without an issue. -Clint On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:16 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Thats the problem, if I had 50K sitting around for gear, I would not be putting it into TV (well, maybe I would be, but more BW, more towers, faster clients, etc come to mind sooner). I can build a head end for far far less then that, If I stuck to the free channels or made my won deals with each channel. There are 1000's (well, close) of free to air channels out there. Some even give explicit permission to rebroadcast the channel, as long as you notify them etc. I was hoping to find a place that would let me purchase channels X, Y, and Z, etc. The locals are easy enough to deal with. So, Looks like I will need to do my own head end, no biggie over all. Who do I talk to about licensing? I knwo some channels are direct, some are not. Is there a list? And, can a person who already has a license sub-license to me? Like MDU style? I know Charter does that, if you have enough people (IE I suspect enough money) If I could sublet off of a existing licensee and do my own IP transport, that would work out pretty well. Anyone have a license contract they can share? (most seam to have some NDA stuffs) can...@believewireless.net wrote: When we looked into Avail Media, it was a $500,000 investment to start if I remember correctly. (Headend, set top boxes, etc.) On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Have a look at Avail Media. We used them in the past for an FTTH project I was involved in. They will provide you the headend, and satellite feeds from their super-headend (aggregator). They work with the networks and it makes licensing and such a little easier. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:44 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: I have been looking at some IPTV options and basically, there does not seam to be a whole lot of options. I can A) build my own IP headend B) nada . I can not find a single IPTV provider that truly caters to the resident, soho, etc. There is one that does so for huge cable op's but thats not where I am at, yet =) I can build my own head end no problem. Licensing is the primary issues there. I am guessing that is what is stopping the explosion of retail IPTV and instead pushing the more a la carte IP video streamers like NetFlix, HuLu, et al. So, what options exist for IPTV ? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2
rob...@ubnt.com Give 'em heck. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2 I'm also looking for these, So +1 :) Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:25 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2 Need NS2's anyone have them? Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:47 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Thank You for Your Service! I know that many WISPs are Veterans. I think the business of being a WISP sort of attracts the vets. It is the business of going where no one has gone before, making it work and storming the path. I want to say, Thank you for your Service and it was an honor to serve! To all you USMC vets, Semper Fi! God bless, Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.comhttp://stlbroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.comhttp://showmebroadband.com/ Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB File: ATT1.c OLE Object: Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Thank You for Your Service!
Thanks! (Air Force here) Right back at ya you ol' Jar Head you! Seriously though, thanks to all that have served this great nation and kept our people and way of life safe. marlon - Original Message - From: Lists li...@stlbroadband.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 5:46 AM Subject: [WISPA] Thank You for Your Service! I know that many WISPs are Veterans. I think the business of being a WISP sort of attracts the vets. It is the business of going where no one has gone before, making it work and storming the path. I want to say, Thank you for your Service and it was an honor to serve! To all you USMC vets, Semper Fi! God bless, Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com http://showmebroadband.com/ Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2
Yeah, but I call them by a different name, Microtik411RS2CardPacGridOutdoorEnclosure. It's gotten to the point that my substitute for the NS2 has actually become in use more than what it has been substituted for. *sigh* Word has it they're on the boat. Always on the boat. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2 Need NS2's anyone have them? Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:47 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Thank You for Your Service! I know that many WISPs are Veterans. I think the business of being a WISP sort of attracts the vets. It is the business of going where no one has gone before, making it work and storming the path. I want to say, Thank you for your Service and it was an honor to serve! To all you USMC vets, Semper Fi! God bless, Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.comhttp://stlbroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.comhttp://showmebroadband.com/ Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB File: ATT1.c OLE Object: Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2
I've got them documented as: mt5h-cpe: arc enclosure/panel r52 411 sma pigtail etc mt5h-ap pipe two pipe to pipe clamps chinesebox (link to buy it) 411ah xr5 etc That's how I do it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Yeah, but I call them by a different name, Microtik411RS2CardPacGridOutdoorEnclosure. It's gotten to the point that my substitute for the NS2 has actually become in use more than what it has been substituted for. *sigh* Word has it they're on the boat. Always on the boat. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2 Need NS2's anyone have them? Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:47 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Thank You for Your Service! I know that many WISPs are Veterans. I think the business of being a WISP sort of attracts the vets. It is the business of going where no one has gone before, making it work and storming the path. I want to say, Thank you for your Service and it was an honor to serve! To all you USMC vets, Semper Fi! God bless, Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.comhttp://stlbroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.comhttp://showmebroadband.com/ Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB File: ATT1.c OLE Object: Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2
I think they need a bigger boat!! Robert West wrote: Yeah, but I call them by a different name, Microtik411RS2CardPacGridOutdoorEnclosure. It's gotten to the point that my substitute for the NS2 has actually become in use more than what it has been substituted for. *sigh* Word has it they're on the boat. Always on the boat. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2 Need NS2's anyone have them? Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:47 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Thank You for Your Service! I know that many WISPs are Veterans. I think the business of being a WISP sort of attracts the vets. It is the business of going where no one has gone before, making it work and storming the path. I want to say, Thank you for your Service and it was an honor to serve! To all you USMC vets, Semper Fi! God bless, Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.comhttp://stlbroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.comhttp://showmebroadband.com/ Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB File: ATT1.c OLE Object: Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] ubiquity bullet2
Hi All, I tried my first one of these yesterday. It's hooked to an antenna that was already in place so I know the old system worked though I did not check signal levels before taking out the old SB radios (they don't give rssi accurately anyway so there was no point). This new radio has an RSSI of -78 or so coming FROM the tower. AT the tower we're picking up -88 or so. I turned it up to 20dB out (factory was set at 16) and that did help a bit. The calculations show that I should be in the -74 to -78 range based on the exact distance of the link. So my RSSI AT the remote end is right in there. I should be seeing the same at the tower as well. Anyone seen these units have faulty transmitters? This is the third ubiquity I've tried. Two PowerStations died (receive sensitivity went dead) after several months. Both units at almost the exact same time. This not giving me any comfort levels at all I know others out there are using a lot of these, are you seeing ANY strange issues at all? Have you looked at the RSSI from both ends? Does it match? Thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
This may help a few of you out http://www.scribd.com/doc/7656628/HOw-to-Set-Up-Your-Own-Home-IPTVVoD-System http://www.aminocom.com/index.asp?PageID=2145848499 Richard 2009/11/11 Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Do you mean I can't just point a web cam at my TV and have the customer call me when they want to change the channel??? I need to rethink this then. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2
And faster. I wonder how much UBNT has saved by having their products manufactured in China? I will admit though that it's not entirely their fault, I understand that Atheros underestimated the demand for their chips in the downturned economy so the latest round of shortages with the AirMax gear has a shadow of a legitimate excuse. Taken as a whole, however, it's business as usual. Love their stuff, hate their supply methods. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Data Technology Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2 I think they need a bigger boat!! Robert West wrote: Yeah, but I call them by a different name, Microtik411RS2CardPacGridOutdoorEnclosure. It's gotten to the point that my substitute for the NS2 has actually become in use more than what it has been substituted for. *sigh* Word has it they're on the boat. Always on the boat. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2 Need NS2's anyone have them? Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:47 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Thank You for Your Service! I know that many WISPs are Veterans. I think the business of being a WISP sort of attracts the vets. It is the business of going where no one has gone before, making it work and storming the path. I want to say, Thank you for your Service and it was an honor to serve! To all you USMC vets, Semper Fi! God bless, Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.comhttp://stlbroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.comhttp://showmebroadband.com/ Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB File: ATT1.c OLE Object: Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ubiquity bullet2
Mine never matches. I have one I installed just the other night, one side is stuck at -44. Reset the thing, flashed the bios again, still shows -44. If I aim away, yeah, it changes but even if I get close it shows -44. The other side shows -56. It all works so what the heck. I'm using the new 5ghz bullets for back hauls to 5 small AP's I'm putting in. Seem to work okay. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] ubiquity bullet2 Hi All, I tried my first one of these yesterday. It's hooked to an antenna that was already in place so I know the old system worked though I did not check signal levels before taking out the old SB radios (they don't give rssi accurately anyway so there was no point). This new radio has an RSSI of -78 or so coming FROM the tower. AT the tower we're picking up -88 or so. I turned it up to 20dB out (factory was set at 16) and that did help a bit. The calculations show that I should be in the -74 to -78 range based on the exact distance of the link. So my RSSI AT the remote end is right in there. I should be seeing the same at the tower as well. Anyone seen these units have faulty transmitters? This is the third ubiquity I've tried. Two PowerStations died (receive sensitivity went dead) after several months. Both units at almost the exact same time. This not giving me any comfort levels at all I know others out there are using a lot of these, are you seeing ANY strange issues at all? Have you looked at the RSSI from both ends? Does it match? Thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ubiquity bullet2
Marlon, We've had quite a few deployed (100 or so, some for 6 months), not seen a week transmitter yet, all failures were ethernet related and normally out of the box they failed (1 in the field). The levels are normally within 1/2 db at the tower vs. the CPE, unless there is a tilt issue (AP antenna too much downtilt). Regards Michael Baird Hi All, I tried my first one of these yesterday. It's hooked to an antenna that was already in place so I know the old system worked though I did not check signal levels before taking out the old SB radios (they don't give rssi accurately anyway so there was no point). This new radio has an RSSI of -78 or so coming FROM the tower. AT the tower we're picking up -88 or so. I turned it up to 20dB out (factory was set at 16) and that did help a bit. The calculations show that I should be in the -74 to -78 range based on the exact distance of the link. So my RSSI AT the remote end is right in there. I should be seeing the same at the tower as well. Anyone seen these units have faulty transmitters? This is the third ubiquity I've tried. Two PowerStations died (receive sensitivity went dead) after several months. Both units at almost the exact same time. This not giving me any comfort levels at all I know others out there are using a lot of these, are you seeing ANY strange issues at all? Have you looked at the RSSI from both ends? Does it match? Thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ubiquity bullet2
Did you power it up without an antenna connected? Could have damaged the transmitter. On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Marlon, We've had quite a few deployed (100 or so, some for 6 months), not seen a week transmitter yet, all failures were ethernet related and normally out of the box they failed (1 in the field). The levels are normally within 1/2 db at the tower vs. the CPE, unless there is a tilt issue (AP antenna too much downtilt). Regards Michael Baird Hi All, I tried my first one of these yesterday. It's hooked to an antenna that was already in place so I know the old system worked though I did not check signal levels before taking out the old SB radios (they don't give rssi accurately anyway so there was no point). This new radio has an RSSI of -78 or so coming FROM the tower. AT the tower we're picking up -88 or so. I turned it up to 20dB out (factory was set at 16) and that did help a bit. The calculations show that I should be in the -74 to -78 range based on the exact distance of the link. So my RSSI AT the remote end is right in there. I should be seeing the same at the tower as well. Anyone seen these units have faulty transmitters? This is the third ubiquity I've tried. Two PowerStations died (receive sensitivity went dead) after several months. Both units at almost the exact same time. This not giving me any comfort levels at all I know others out there are using a lot of these, are you seeing ANY strange issues at all? Have you looked at the RSSI from both ends? Does it match? Thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ubiquity bullet2
Marlon I have never attached a external antenna to one. I had a vendor tell me there was a 5% drop with a external antenna. We use a Reflective dish to increase the RSSI. I have 400+ Tranzeo sl2 and cpq19's. I have about 10 NS2 out there. I just ordered another 15 NS2's and no more Tranzeo's. The thing I like about the NS2's is the noise rejection compared to the Tranzeo. Just Yesterday my installers were out on an install 4 mile link clear LOS CPQ19. -69 at radio -68 at the tower but 90% retries on the Tranzeo, best speed 800K/400K. Tried a 2nd with same issue. They came back to office got a NS2. With the ubiquity same -69 at radio -71 at tower but rssi of 92% and speeds went to 2048K/1024K which is what the queue is set at on the tower. Impressive Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:17 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] ubiquity bullet2 Mine never matches. I have one I installed just the other night, one side is stuck at -44. Reset the thing, flashed the bios again, still shows -44. If I aim away, yeah, it changes but even if I get close it shows -44. The other side shows -56. It all works so what the heck. I'm using the new 5ghz bullets for back hauls to 5 small AP's I'm putting in. Seem to work okay. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] ubiquity bullet2 Hi All, I tried my first one of these yesterday. It's hooked to an antenna that was already in place so I know the old system worked though I did not check signal levels before taking out the old SB radios (they don't give rssi accurately anyway so there was no point). This new radio has an RSSI of -78 or so coming FROM the tower. AT the tower we're picking up -88 or so. I turned it up to 20dB out (factory was set at 16) and that did help a bit. The calculations show that I should be in the -74 to -78 range based on the exact distance of the link. So my RSSI AT the remote end is right in there. I should be seeing the same at the tower as well. Anyone seen these units have faulty transmitters? This is the third ubiquity I've tried. Two PowerStations died (receive sensitivity went dead) after several months. Both units at almost the exact same time. This not giving me any comfort levels at all I know others out there are using a lot of these, are you seeing ANY strange issues at all? Have you looked at the RSSI from both ends? Does it match? Thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ubiquity bullet2
I've done that :( On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: Did you power it up without an antenna connected? Could have damaged the transmitter. On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Marlon, We've had quite a few deployed (100 or so, some for 6 months), not seen a week transmitter yet, all failures were ethernet related and normally out of the box they failed (1 in the field). The levels are normally within 1/2 db at the tower vs. the CPE, unless there is a tilt issue (AP antenna too much downtilt). Regards Michael Baird Hi All, I tried my first one of these yesterday. It's hooked to an antenna that was already in place so I know the old system worked though I did not check signal levels before taking out the old SB radios (they don't give rssi accurately anyway so there was no point). This new radio has an RSSI of -78 or so coming FROM the tower. AT the tower we're picking up -88 or so. I turned it up to 20dB out (factory was set at 16) and that did help a bit. The calculations show that I should be in the -74 to -78 range based on the exact distance of the link. So my RSSI AT the remote end is right in there. I should be seeing the same at the tower as well. Anyone seen these units have faulty transmitters? This is the third ubiquity I've tried. Two PowerStations died (receive sensitivity went dead) after several months. Both units at almost the exact same time. This not giving me any comfort levels at all I know others out there are using a lot of these, are you seeing ANY strange issues at all? Have you looked at the RSSI from both ends? Does it match? Thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ubiquity bullet2
I've had the opposite experience. I have Bullet2's working but when they dont I go back to Tranzeos - they always work. Are you using regular Bullets or HP's?? -RickG On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Marlon I have never attached a external antenna to one. I had a vendor tell me there was a 5% drop with a external antenna. We use a Reflective dish to increase the RSSI. I have 400+ Tranzeo sl2 and cpq19's. I have about 10 NS2 out there. I just ordered another 15 NS2's and no more Tranzeo's. The thing I like about the NS2's is the noise rejection compared to the Tranzeo. Just Yesterday my installers were out on an install 4 mile link clear LOS CPQ19. -69 at radio -68 at the tower but 90% retries on the Tranzeo, best speed 800K/400K. Tried a 2nd with same issue. They came back to office got a NS2. With the ubiquity same -69 at radio -71 at tower but rssi of 92% and speeds went to 2048K/1024K which is what the queue is set at on the tower. Impressive Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:17 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] ubiquity bullet2 Mine never matches. I have one I installed just the other night, one side is stuck at -44. Reset the thing, flashed the bios again, still shows -44. If I aim away, yeah, it changes but even if I get close it shows -44. The other side shows -56. It all works so what the heck. I'm using the new 5ghz bullets for back hauls to 5 small AP's I'm putting in. Seem to work okay. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] ubiquity bullet2 Hi All, I tried my first one of these yesterday. It's hooked to an antenna that was already in place so I know the old system worked though I did not check signal levels before taking out the old SB radios (they don't give rssi accurately anyway so there was no point). This new radio has an RSSI of -78 or so coming FROM the tower. AT the tower we're picking up -88 or so. I turned it up to 20dB out (factory was set at 16) and that did help a bit. The calculations show that I should be in the -74 to -78 range based on the exact distance of the link. So my RSSI AT the remote end is right in there. I should be seeing the same at the tower as well. Anyone seen these units have faulty transmitters? This is the third ubiquity I've tried. Two PowerStations died (receive sensitivity went dead) after several months. Both units at almost the exact same time. This not giving me any comfort levels at all I know others out there are using a lot of these, are you seeing ANY strange issues at all? Have you looked at the RSSI from both ends? Does it match? Thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] USF changes?
And they forgot all about the other ISP's out there. They are leaving it up to the telcos to supply the demand! Do they(The FCC) not understand that other companies besides the telcos and cable companies offer Internet access? Scott -- Original Message -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 23:49:39 -0500 Warning: The bill also drew early praise from ATT On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: http://www.internetnews.com/infra/article.php/3847366/Lawmakers+Float+Bill+to+Boost+Rural+Broadband.htm I'm not sure I need any more gov. interference! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ubiquity bullet2
I have only used 1 bullet. Most of mine are Standard Nanostations. I am sorry I did not read that Marlon was using Bullets not standard NS2. My bad. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ubiquity bullet2 I've had the opposite experience. I have Bullet2's working but when they dont I go back to Tranzeos - they always work. Are you using regular Bullets or HP's?? -RickG On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Marlon I have never attached a external antenna to one. I had a vendor tell me there was a 5% drop with a external antenna. We use a Reflective dish to increase the RSSI. I have 400+ Tranzeo sl2 and cpq19's. I have about 10 NS2 out there. I just ordered another 15 NS2's and no more Tranzeo's. The thing I like about the NS2's is the noise rejection compared to the Tranzeo. Just Yesterday my installers were out on an install 4 mile link clear LOS CPQ19. -69 at radio -68 at the tower but 90% retries on the Tranzeo, best speed 800K/400K. Tried a 2nd with same issue. They came back to office got a NS2. With the ubiquity same -69 at radio -71 at tower but rssi of 92% and speeds went to 2048K/1024K which is what the queue is set at on the tower. Impressive Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:17 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] ubiquity bullet2 Mine never matches. I have one I installed just the other night, one side is stuck at -44. Reset the thing, flashed the bios again, still shows -44. If I aim away, yeah, it changes but even if I get close it shows -44. The other side shows -56. It all works so what the heck. I'm using the new 5ghz bullets for back hauls to 5 small AP's I'm putting in. Seem to work okay. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] ubiquity bullet2 Hi All, I tried my first one of these yesterday. It's hooked to an antenna that was already in place so I know the old system worked though I did not check signal levels before taking out the old SB radios (they don't give rssi accurately anyway so there was no point). This new radio has an RSSI of -78 or so coming FROM the tower. AT the tower we're picking up -88 or so. I turned it up to 20dB out (factory was set at 16) and that did help a bit. The calculations show that I should be in the -74 to -78 range based on the exact distance of the link. So my RSSI AT the remote end is right in there. I should be seeing the same at the tower as well. Anyone seen these units have faulty transmitters? This is the third ubiquity I've tried. Two PowerStations died (receive sensitivity went dead) after several months. Both units at almost the exact same time. This not giving me any comfort levels at all I know others out there are using a lot of these, are you seeing ANY strange issues at all? Have you looked at the RSSI from both ends? Does it match? Thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] USF changes?
The FCC understands it very well. The problem is that WISP's are not well known as far as where, how many, and what speeds they serve..ever wonder why they have been pushing the Form 477? This yet another example of how trying to stay under the Radar is going to come back and bite the industry in the butt. Who knows, if they do a good job of USF reform and a WISP is in a very rural area, they may be entitled to RECEIVE USF funds on a monthly basis. But of course if we cannot quantify the WISP industry and/or show a good coverage area, the policy makers will have no choice but to make decisions based on what they have in front of them for information.maybe it's time to dust off the National WISP map again and do another push to improve that. Thank You, Brian Webster On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.comwrote: And they forgot all about the other ISP's out there. They are leaving it up to the telcos to supply the demand! Do they(The FCC) not understand that other companies besides the telcos and cable companies offer Internet access? Scott -- Original Message -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 23:49:39 -0500 Warning: The bill also drew early praise from ATT On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: http://www.internetnews.com/infra/article.php/3847366/Lawmakers+Float+Bill+to+Boost+Rural+Broadband.htm I'm not sure I need any more gov. interference! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it?
Again, Property tax is governed by local code, which can differ by areas, so checking with your local tax code and accountants is appropriate. have been paying our property taxes by default because of our lessor passes it on to us. You only owe property tax on property that YOU own, until the time it is depreciated, and its paid the the State/County that the property is located in. So if you lease equipment or property, you are not obligated by law (Tax code) to pay property tax on the leased equipment. However, if you agreed under contract to pay your leassor's property tax, then that obligates you to pay the Leasor. (Note difference between Fair Market Value Lease and Lease to Own Lease which may have differences in law on whether the leased property is owned by the leasor or leasee for Property Tax purposes. That question I'll leave to your Accountant) Do you pay property taxes on every screw, nut, bolt? There are Expenses, Cost of Goods, and then there are Assets. You as the business owner claim what purchases are COGS, expenses and assets, in line with Generally Accepted Accounting Practices. So, in your books, are you recording a Nut/bolt as an asset, expense, or COGS? Depends on your purpose. You might want to show that your company has a lot of assets and might want to show every item cost that contributed to building your network, that physically exist to accomplish that. Technically you could argue that bolt belongs to you. But you could also argue that Bolt was an expense because it was an insignificant cost that cant be liquidated or reused if removed. Its really up to you. You aren't likely going to be scrutinized for that decission by tax auditors, but you are going to be held accountable for the decissions you made. What does matter is that if you claim in your books/incometax that something you bought is a tangible fixed asset, no matter how small, it is property, and it is subject to taxation.(unless code made provisions for excemption) In my case, lets examine why I overpaid my Property Tax. I did not provide my accountant with detail regarding which state I installed CPE, nor did I provide them with information on whether I owned my CPEs over time or whther the customer would, according to the terms of my contracts. Therefore the accountant had no way to know, and used standard assumptions, and calculated owed PPT based on the total amount of property/assets recorded as owned. How do they calculate amount of property owned? Its easy... You itemized tangible fixed assets on Section 179 Form, that you wanted to expense (up to a specific dollar amount, where allowed to deduct full cost amount in year asset was purchased.). And you itemized assets in the depreciation tables for all remaining assets that you wanted to depreciate over time instead of expense in the current year. So every asset item that you list in the Section 179 or Depreciation table is property subject to property tax. Usually, small items are bulked togeather as a single item/cost organized by which ledger account the item was recorded in. So my accuntant, simply added up the cost of these itemized assets and depreciated value of assets, and that was used as the property that was taxable. So auditors would look to see that what you claim on your personal property tax filing matches thse expenses reported on your income tax or company books. If not, it could be a flag. For example, if you are a Maryland company, but 2/3 of your equipment was installed in VA, and you appropriately reported only 1/3 of your section 179 assets on Maryland Personal Property Tax, your filing would be accrurate, but might look odd to auditors having them wonder where the other 2/3rd of assets weren't getting tax paid on them. When the County Estimated the Tax owed, they estimated it on the Full section 179 costs installed anywhere, because it never crossed there mind it wouldn't be property in Maryland. Its also important to classify assets correctly. For example, I originally classified my products as computer related products which are allowed to be depreceiated over 3 years. Section 179 items, also get property taxed based on their equivellent of would have been depreciable life. My county ruled that my CPE equipment was telecommunication and radio like equipment which had to be depreciated over 4 years instead. So to accurately report, you'd have to calcualte tax on Nut and Bolts different than Radio CPE. I can pose another question, what if one took our a RUS loan, and was allowed to state the useful life of 11 years (which has been allowed), would that changed the length of period in which that item would be subject to property tax? Again, a question for the accountant. So this all boils down to, what you have to pay is based on YOUR RECORDS. You must provide accurate records with adequate justification for your rational on file. The Acccounting code does
Re: [WISPA] USF changes?
Brian, I argue to push legislation to give benefit to providers to map their data, so its a no brainer to cooperate. A Map is not needed to suggest and conclude USF reform. A Map is needed implemen new USF rules, such as tocollect USF funds, and block recipients from collecting funds. I hardly see the benefit in giving away to the coverage information without first being given the benefit of giving it away. The first step is get legislation to include broadband as eligible recipients. And step two is to get legislation to include that USF funds wont be given to entities that are alread y served by wireless technology. And Step3 is to get legislation to include what criteria considers an area adequately served by wireless technology. Or Step4 - to create the equivellent of a ILEC, for a wireless provider. Shouldn't there be a WiLEC status? :-) When Feds give us good reason to disclose our coverage, backed by passed good legislation, I assure you WISPs will be first in line to give it. Have the feds tell usthey wont give grants to new entrants where there is already a WISP, unless to that pre-existing WISP, and I assure you WISPs will flood the info to you. But with legislation like, WISP must serve 60% of an areas to disqualify others, there is hardly a call to action to provide information. Providing that information just makes it easier for other applicants to serve our areas. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF changes? The FCC understands it very well. The problem is that WISP's are not well known as far as where, how many, and what speeds they serve..ever wonder why they have been pushing the Form 477? This yet another example of how trying to stay under the Radar is going to come back and bite the industry in the butt. Who knows, if they do a good job of USF reform and a WISP is in a very rural area, they may be entitled to RECEIVE USF funds on a monthly basis. But of course if we cannot quantify the WISP industry and/or show a good coverage area, the policy makers will have no choice but to make decisions based on what they have in front of them for information.maybe it's time to dust off the National WISP map again and do another push to improve that. Thank You, Brian Webster On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.comwrote: And they forgot all about the other ISP's out there. They are leaving it up to the telcos to supply the demand! Do they(The FCC) not understand that other companies besides the telcos and cable companies offer Internet access? Scott -- Original Message -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 23:49:39 -0500 Warning: The bill also drew early praise from ATT On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: http://www.internetnews.com/infra/article.php/3847366/Lawmakers+Float+Bill+to+Boost+Rural+Broadband.htm I'm not sure I need any more gov. interference! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
So how are you to distinguish regular port 80 traffic from netflix ? John Buwa Michiana Wireless,Inc 574-233-7170 Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Just confirmed with torch. Hulu on PC is 1935/tcp Netflix on PC is 80/tcp (remember it uses Silverlight - not flash) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 07:16 -0800, Joe Miller wrote: Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that even Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been getting some calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the day. I've researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin down what ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then that is using close to 1.5 meg of continued streaming. Not sure about NetFlix, but Hulu uses TCP and/or UDP 1935, which is Macromedia Flash port. They use primarily TCP. How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E curcuit in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing streaming, then the other 20 or so customers are calling and complaining about the slow Internet speeds. Build a QOS imnplementation that allows Hulu to work, but lessor priority than other traffic. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
It's creating major issues with us too. We've got about 10 people on our network ruining the bandwidth for those access points they're on. Unfortunately we got 2 of those 10 on the same tower creating about 100 other people to complain. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Sales Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. So how are you to distinguish regular port 80 traffic from netflix ? John Buwa Michiana Wireless,Inc 574-233-7170 Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Just confirmed with torch. Hulu on PC is 1935/tcp Netflix on PC is 80/tcp (remember it uses Silverlight - not flash) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 07:16 -0800, Joe Miller wrote: Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that even Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been getting some calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the day. I've researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin down what ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then that is using close to 1.5 meg of continued streaming. Not sure about NetFlix, but Hulu uses TCP and/or UDP 1935, which is Macromedia Flash port. They use primarily TCP. How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E curcuit in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing streaming, then the other 20 or so customers are calling and complaining about the slow Internet speeds. Build a QOS imnplementation that allows Hulu to work, but lessor priority than other traffic. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
I'm still having a hell of a time figuring out that one. Is there anything on the market that will block certain traffic by looking at the Headers of the data on Netflix? Or is this just wishful thinking on my part? - Original Message From: Sales sa...@michianawireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 1:28:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. So how are you to distinguish regular port 80 traffic from netflix ? John Buwa Michiana Wireless,Inc 574-233-7170 Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Just confirmed with torch. Hulu on PC is 1935/tcp Netflix on PC is 80/tcp (remember it uses Silverlight - not flash) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 07:16 -0800, Joe Miller wrote: Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that even Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been getting some calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the day. I've researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin down what ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then that is using close to 1.5 meg of continued streaming. Not sure about NetFlix, but Hulu uses TCP and/or UDP 1935, which is Macromedia Flash port. They use primarily TCP. How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E curcuit in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing streaming, then the other 20 or so customers are calling and complaining about the slow Internet speeds. Build a QOS imnplementation that allows Hulu to work, but lessor priority than other traffic. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
MikroTik Level 7 matching? On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Joe Miller joemiller...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm still having a hell of a time figuring out that one. Is there anything on the market that will block certain traffic by looking at the Headers of the data on Netflix? Or is this just wishful thinking on my part? - Original Message From: Sales sa...@michianawireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 1:28:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. So how are you to distinguish regular port 80 traffic from netflix ? John Buwa Michiana Wireless,Inc 574-233-7170 Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Just confirmed with torch. Hulu on PC is 1935/tcp Netflix on PC is 80/tcp (remember it uses Silverlight - not flash) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 07:16 -0800, Joe Miller wrote: Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that even Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been getting some calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the day. I've researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin down what ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then that is using close to 1.5 meg of continued streaming. Not sure about NetFlix, but Hulu uses TCP and/or UDP 1935, which is Macromedia Flash port. They use primarily TCP. How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E curcuit in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing streaming, then the other 20 or so customers are calling and complaining about the slow Internet speeds. Build a QOS imnplementation that allows Hulu to work, but lessor priority than other traffic. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] USF changes?
The problem as I see it is that we are arguing the chicken and the egg. While I understand why a WISP would not necessarily want to disclose their network footprint, it has become very obvious that not disclosing the information has created more harmful situations (BTOP/BIP funding as one example) than would have been lost by letting the information out. The legislative climate and the rate of change on broadband policy is so rapid today, that waiting for some incentive to provide the information, to me is more risk than disclosing the information. The FCC is indeed in the process of looking at some of the ideas you mention in your email. It's happening TODAY and policy/opinion/legislation is being crafted based on information they can get their hands on now or in the very near future. I have been contacted by the FCC about mapping broadband on a granular level and in those conversations, USF reform was mentioned as one of the uses for the mapping information. They already have a major data analysis company under contract doing the modeling and considerations for USF reforms. The mapping information will be a HUGE input and factor in some of the answers they will derive from their studies. Many of these answers will be formulated in the next 6 months or less. Waiting for legislative efforts to create incentive to provide the information will more than likely be too late for the WISP industry. Creating this data and just giving it away is a huge burden on a WISP no doubt, but competing with a rural telco who might be able, under USF reforms, to get subsidies for their DSL lines as well as the voice lines they get now, will certainly make it much tougher for a WISP to compete in a rural market. Right now wireless enjoys a big advantage in the cost per subscriber to deploy compared to others. The FCC knows this. They are also dealing with a congress who is influenced by strong telco and cable lobby groups. The WISP industry has none of that and what is worse, they have no comprehensive data put together to help the FCC defend any position that might give WISP's a stab at USF funding. If they have no hard data they have a very difficult time rebutting any claims the the cable and telco industry claim. Yet another good reason the WISP industry should be filing the Form 477 data Thank You, Brian Webster On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Brian, I argue to push legislation to give benefit to providers to map their data, so its a no brainer to cooperate. A Map is not needed to suggest and conclude USF reform. A Map is needed implemen new USF rules, such as tocollect USF funds, and block recipients from collecting funds. I hardly see the benefit in giving away to the coverage information without first being given the benefit of giving it away. The first step is get legislation to include broadband as eligible recipients. And step two is to get legislation to include that USF funds wont be given to entities that are alread y served by wireless technology. And Step3 is to get legislation to include what criteria considers an area adequately served by wireless technology. Or Step4 - to create the equivellent of a ILEC, for a wireless provider. Shouldn't there be a WiLEC status? :-) When Feds give us good reason to disclose our coverage, backed by passed good legislation, I assure you WISPs will be first in line to give it. Have the feds tell usthey wont give grants to new entrants where there is already a WISP, unless to that pre-existing WISP, and I assure you WISPs will flood the info to you. But with legislation like, WISP must serve 60% of an areas to disqualify others, there is hardly a call to action to provide information. Providing that information just makes it easier for other applicants to serve our areas. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF changes? The FCC understands it very well. The problem is that WISP's are not well known as far as where, how many, and what speeds they serve..ever wonder why they have been pushing the Form 477? This yet another example of how trying to stay under the Radar is going to come back and bite the industry in the butt. Who knows, if they do a good job of USF reform and a WISP is in a very rural area, they may be entitled to RECEIVE USF funds on a monthly basis. But of course if we cannot quantify the WISP industry and/or show a good coverage area, the policy makers will have no choice but to make decisions based on what they have in front of them for information.maybe it's time to dust off the National WISP map again and do another push to improve that. Thank You, Brian Webster
Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
We are currently testing a Mikrotik based QOS setting to handle this, it basically examines port 80 traffic and divides in bursty short traffic (web browsing) and long continued traffic ( file transfers, streaming, p2p) Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. I'm still having a hell of a time figuring out that one. Is there anything on the market that will block certain traffic by looking at the Headers of the data on Netflix? Or is this just wishful thinking on my part? - Original Message From: Sales sa...@michianawireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 1:28:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. So how are you to distinguish regular port 80 traffic from netflix ? John Buwa Michiana Wireless,Inc 574-233-7170 Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Just confirmed with torch. Hulu on PC is 1935/tcp Netflix on PC is 80/tcp (remember it uses Silverlight - not flash) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 07:16 -0800, Joe Miller wrote: Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that even Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been getting some calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the day. I've researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin down what ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then that is using close to 1.5 meg of continued streaming. Not sure about NetFlix, but Hulu uses TCP and/or UDP 1935, which is Macromedia Flash port. They use primarily TCP. How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E curcuit in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing streaming, then the other 20 or so customers are calling and complaining about the slow Internet speeds. Build a QOS imnplementation that allows Hulu to work, but lessor priority than other traffic. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
This works quite well, we use it on lots of hotspot networks, we can identify streams by their amount of data transferred. Once we go over 10-20 meg, we assume that's not that bursty traffic, so we lob it into a queue with other users. THis prevents a large download from consuming massive amounts of resources. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:38 PM To: Joe Miller; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. We are currently testing a Mikrotik based QOS setting to handle this, it basically examines port 80 traffic and divides in bursty short traffic (web browsing) and long continued traffic ( file transfers, streaming, p2p) Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. I'm still having a hell of a time figuring out that one. Is there anything on the market that will block certain traffic by looking at the Headers of the data on Netflix? Or is this just wishful thinking on my part? - Original Message From: Sales sa...@michianawireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 1:28:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. So how are you to distinguish regular port 80 traffic from netflix ? John Buwa Michiana Wireless,Inc 574-233-7170 Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Just confirmed with torch. Hulu on PC is 1935/tcp Netflix on PC is 80/tcp (remember it uses Silverlight - not flash) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 07:16 -0800, Joe Miller wrote: Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that even Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been getting some calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the day. I've researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin down what ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then that is using close to 1.5 meg of continued streaming. Not sure about NetFlix, but Hulu uses TCP and/or UDP 1935, which is Macromedia Flash port. They use primarily TCP. How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E curcuit in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing streaming, then the other 20 or so customers are calling and complaining about the slow Internet speeds. Build a QOS imnplementation that allows Hulu to work, but lessor priority than other traffic. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
Gino, Would you be willing to share? Jayson On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: We are currently testing a Mikrotik based QOS setting to handle this, it basically examines port 80 traffic and divides in bursty short traffic (web browsing) and long continued traffic ( file transfers, streaming, p2p) Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. I'm still having a hell of a time figuring out that one. Is there anything on the market that will block certain traffic by looking at the Headers of the data on Netflix? Or is this just wishful thinking on my part? - Original Message From: Sales sa...@michianawireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 1:28:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. So how are you to distinguish regular port 80 traffic from netflix ? John Buwa Michiana Wireless,Inc 574-233-7170 Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Just confirmed with torch. Hulu on PC is 1935/tcp Netflix on PC is 80/tcp (remember it uses Silverlight - not flash) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 07:16 -0800, Joe Miller wrote: Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that even Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been getting some calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the day. I've researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin down what ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then that is using close to 1.5 meg of continued streaming. Not sure about NetFlix, but Hulu uses TCP and/or UDP 1935, which is Macromedia Flash port. They use primarily TCP. How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E curcuit in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing streaming, then the other 20 or so customers are calling and complaining about the slow Internet speeds. Build a QOS imnplementation that allows Hulu to work, but lessor priority than other traffic. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
[WISPA] Small Managed Switches
I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches. They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas heat. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
493AH :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches. They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas heat. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
Anyone in the burning hot states put a 493ah in a NEMA and let it cook until well done? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote: 493AH :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches. They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas heat. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2
Almost every vendor product is now made in China, but the suppliers x manufacturers x ships matrix has lots of options, with different price tags and results. Rubens On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: And faster. I wonder how much UBNT has saved by having their products manufactured in China? I will admit though that it's not entirely their fault, I understand that Atheros underestimated the demand for their chips in the downturned economy so the latest round of shortages with the AirMax gear has a shadow of a legitimate excuse. Taken as a whole, however, it's business as usual. Love their stuff, hate their supply methods. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Data Technology Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2 I think they need a bigger boat!! Robert West wrote: Yeah, but I call them by a different name, Microtik411RS2CardPacGridOutdoorEnclosure. It's gotten to the point that my substitute for the NS2 has actually become in use more than what it has been substituted for. *sigh* Word has it they're on the boat. Always on the boat. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2 Need NS2's anyone have them? Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:47 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Thank You for Your Service! I know that many WISPs are Veterans. I think the business of being a WISP sort of attracts the vets. It is the business of going where no one has gone before, making it work and storming the path. I want to say, Thank you for your Service and it was an honor to serve! To all you USMC vets, Semper Fi! God bless, Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.comhttp://stlbroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.comhttp://showmebroadband.com/ Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB File: ATT1.c OLE Object: Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
I'd also recommend a MT unit. RB750 is nice and small. On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Anyone in the burning hot states put a 493ah in a NEMA and let it cook until well done? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: 493AH :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches. They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas heat. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
Is there a way to have MikroTik do nothing else but this? Butch, can you answer this please? - Original Message From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 1:41:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. This works quite well, we use it on lots of hotspot networks, we can identify streams by their amount of data transferred. Once we go over 10-20 meg, we assume that's not that bursty traffic, so we lob it into a queue with other users. THis prevents a large download from consuming massive amounts of resources. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:38 PM To: Joe Miller; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. We are currently testing a Mikrotik based QOS setting to handle this, it basically examines port 80 traffic and divides in bursty short traffic (web browsing) and long continued traffic ( file transfers, streaming, p2p) Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. I'm still having a hell of a time figuring out that one. Is there anything on the market that will block certain traffic by looking at the Headers of the data on Netflix? Or is this just wishful thinking on my part? - Original Message From: Sales sa...@michianawireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 1:28:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. So how are you to distinguish regular port 80 traffic from netflix ? John Buwa Michiana Wireless,Inc 574-233-7170 Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Just confirmed with torch. Hulu on PC is 1935/tcp Netflix on PC is 80/tcp (remember it uses Silverlight - not flash) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 07:16 -0800, Joe Miller wrote: Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that even Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been getting some calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the day. I've researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin down what ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then that is using close to 1.5 meg of continued streaming. Not sure about NetFlix, but Hulu uses TCP and/or UDP 1935, which is Macromedia Flash port. They use primarily TCP. How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E curcuit in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing streaming, then the other 20 or so customers are calling and complaining about the slow Internet speeds. Build a QOS imnplementation that allows Hulu to work, but lessor priority than other traffic. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
sure, just match the data, you can either apply a TOS bit or just queue it up right in that single unit .. The data has to flow though it though. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. Is there a way to have MikroTik do nothing else but this? Butch, can you answer this please? - Original Message From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 1:41:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. This works quite well, we use it on lots of hotspot networks, we can identify streams by their amount of data transferred. Once we go over 10-20 meg, we assume that's not that bursty traffic, so we lob it into a queue with other users. THis prevents a large download from consuming massive amounts of resources. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:38 PM To: Joe Miller; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. We are currently testing a Mikrotik based QOS setting to handle this, it basically examines port 80 traffic and divides in bursty short traffic (web browsing) and long continued traffic ( file transfers, streaming, p2p) Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. I'm still having a hell of a time figuring out that one. Is there anything on the market that will block certain traffic by looking at the Headers of the data on Netflix? Or is this just wishful thinking on my part? - Original Message From: Sales sa...@michianawireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 1:28:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. So how are you to distinguish regular port 80 traffic from netflix ? John Buwa Michiana Wireless,Inc 574-233-7170 Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Just confirmed with torch. Hulu on PC is 1935/tcp Netflix on PC is 80/tcp (remember it uses Silverlight - not flash) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 07:16 -0800, Joe Miller wrote: Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that even Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been getting some calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the day. I've researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin down what ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then that is using close to 1.5 meg of continued streaming. Not sure about NetFlix, but Hulu uses TCP and/or UDP 1935, which is Macromedia Flash port. They use primarily TCP. How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E curcuit in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing streaming, then the other 20 or so customers are calling and complaining about the slow Internet speeds. Build a QOS imnplementation that allows Hulu to work, but lessor priority than other traffic. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * --- ---
Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit, Management is a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such. They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches. They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas heat. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
Etherwan. The EX9600 might be what you are looking for. I could probably quote it offlist if you like; it is the same switch Motorola uses in their CMM4's. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 12:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches. They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas heat. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
We are just creating a mangle the identifies large downloads, connections over so much data. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. The problem I see is that general web traffic = Netflix traffic (on a network level, it's all 80/tcp and HTTP). You can very easily create burst queues for 80/tcp. If you can some how mangle the traffic to/from Netflix you can easily create a queue for that too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote: sure, just match the data, you can either apply a TOS bit or just queue it up right in that single unit .. The data has to flow though it though. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. Is there a way to have MikroTik do nothing else but this? Butch, can you answer this please? - Original Message From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 1:41:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. This works quite well, we use it on lots of hotspot networks, we can identify streams by their amount of data transferred. Once we go over 10-20 meg, we assume that's not that bursty traffic, so we lob it into a queue with other users. THis prevents a large download from consuming massive amounts of resources. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:38 PM To: Joe Miller; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. We are currently testing a Mikrotik based QOS setting to handle this, it basically examines port 80 traffic and divides in bursty short traffic (web browsing) and long continued traffic ( file transfers, streaming, p2p) Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. I'm still having a hell of a time figuring out that one. Is there anything on the market that will block certain traffic by looking at the Headers of the data on Netflix? Or is this just wishful thinking on my part? - Original Message From: Sales sa...@michianawireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 1:28:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. So how are you to distinguish regular port 80 traffic from netflix ? John Buwa Michiana Wireless,Inc 574-233-7170 Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Just confirmed with torch. Hulu on PC is 1935/tcp Netflix on PC is 80/tcp (remember it uses Silverlight - not flash) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 07:16 -0800, Joe Miller wrote: Has anyone experienced this
Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
Nothing but good things to say about MOXA. Hardened industrial switches with DC redundant power supplies. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches. They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas heat. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
Hey, you DO have to turn it over after 45 minutes. Read the manual. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches Anyone in the burning hot states put a 493ah in a NEMA and let it cook until well done? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote: 493AH :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches. They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas heat. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
Any Industrial rated 'din mount' should work. There are a number of mfg, but these devices don't tend to be in-expensive. Most Enterprise devices are not rated for high temps. In previous posts and other wireless lists, the folks who build an outdoor pop all within a NEMA cabinets often use Din mount industrial power suplies and ethernet switches. If you do a google search on industrial ethernet or din mount ethernet you will find a lot of options. Garrettecom is one such mfg. Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches. They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas heat. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2
Why is it all made in China? Dont they understand that I would love to pay $850.00 for a NS2 made in the states??? UBNT is still trying to get their footing, I know how that is. Very successful in a quick way. I just hope they get their supply quality to match their products fairly soon. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2 Almost every vendor product is now made in China, but the suppliers x manufacturers x ships matrix has lots of options, with different price tags and results. Rubens On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: And faster. I wonder how much UBNT has saved by having their products manufactured in China? I will admit though that it's not entirely their fault, I understand that Atheros underestimated the demand for their chips in the downturned economy so the latest round of shortages with the AirMax gear has a shadow of a legitimate excuse. Taken as a whole, however, it's business as usual. Love their stuff, hate their supply methods. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Data Technology Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2 I think they need a bigger boat!! Robert West wrote: Yeah, but I call them by a different name, Microtik411RS2CardPacGridOutdoorEnclosure. It's gotten to the point that my substitute for the NS2 has actually become in use more than what it has been substituted for. *sigh* Word has it they're on the boat. Always on the boat. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2 Need NS2's anyone have them? Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:47 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Thank You for Your Service! I know that many WISPs are Veterans. I think the business of being a WISP sort of attracts the vets. It is the business of going where no one has gone before, making it work and storming the path. I want to say, Thank you for your Service and it was an honor to serve! To all you USMC vets, Semper Fi! God bless, Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.comhttp://stlbroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.comhttp://showmebroadband.com/ Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB File: ATT1.c OLE Object: Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
Dennis, Can the MikroTik router be used for just this purpose? I already have routers in place so I do not need the router function on these. - Original Message From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 2:24:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. We are just creating a mangle the identifies large downloads, connections over so much data. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. The problem I see is that general web traffic = Netflix traffic (on a network level, it's all 80/tcp and HTTP). You can very easily create burst queues for 80/tcp. If you can some how mangle the traffic to/from Netflix you can easily create a queue for that too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote: sure, just match the data, you can either apply a TOS bit or just queue it up right in that single unit .. The data has to flow though it though. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. Is there a way to have MikroTik do nothing else but this? Butch, can you answer this please? - Original Message From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 1:41:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. This works quite well, we use it on lots of hotspot networks, we can identify streams by their amount of data transferred. Once we go over 10-20 meg, we assume that's not that bursty traffic, so we lob it into a queue with other users. THis prevents a large download from consuming massive amounts of resources. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:38 PM To: Joe Miller; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. We are currently testing a Mikrotik based QOS setting to handle this, it basically examines port 80 traffic and divides in bursty short traffic (web browsing) and long continued traffic ( file transfers, streaming, p2p) Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. I'm still having a hell of a time figuring out that one. Is there anything on the market that will block certain traffic by looking at the Headers of the data on Netflix? Or is this just wishful thinking on my part? - Original Message From: Sales sa...@michianawireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 1:28:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. So how are you to distinguish regular port 80 traffic from netflix ? John Buwa Michiana Wireless,Inc 574-233-7170 Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Just confirmed with torch. Hulu on PC is 1935/tcp Netflix on PC is 80/tcp (remember it uses Silverlight -
Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
I will second the Moxa's. We buy from Neteon out of NJ Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:25:08 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches Nothing but good things to say about MOXA. Hardened industrial switches with DC redundant power supplies. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches. They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas heat. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
Yes that is what we were talking about. :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. Dennis, Can the MikroTik router be used for just this purpose? I already have routers in place so I do not need the router function on these. - Original Message From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 2:24:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. We are just creating a mangle the identifies large downloads, connections over so much data. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. The problem I see is that general web traffic = Netflix traffic (on a network level, it's all 80/tcp and HTTP). You can very easily create burst queues for 80/tcp. If you can some how mangle the traffic to/from Netflix you can easily create a queue for that too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote: sure, just match the data, you can either apply a TOS bit or just queue it up right in that single unit .. The data has to flow though it though. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. Is there a way to have MikroTik do nothing else but this? Butch, can you answer this please? - Original Message From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 1:41:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. This works quite well, we use it on lots of hotspot networks, we can identify streams by their amount of data transferred. Once we go over 10-20 meg, we assume that's not that bursty traffic, so we lob it into a queue with other users. THis prevents a large download from consuming massive amounts of resources. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:38 PM To: Joe Miller; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. We are currently testing a Mikrotik based QOS setting to handle this, it basically examines port 80 traffic and divides in bursty short traffic (web browsing) and long continued traffic ( file transfers, streaming, p2p) Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. I'm still having a hell of a time figuring out that one. Is there anything on the market that will block certain traffic by looking at the
Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 12:00 -0800, Joe Miller wrote: Is there a way to have MikroTik do nothing else but this? Simple answer is yes. There are several ways to do this, actually. I am working on a new QOS implementation that will handle this in a very unique way. The new implementation will be very nice AND more or less automated. Keep in mind that this implementation is not complete, but some of the features I am working on would look like this: 1. Create a set of priority queues (HTB style) using a 3 tier tree. 2. Set prioritization for normal protocols (http, dns, voip, etc.). 3. Watch the individual streams and, when you encounter abnormal behavior for a particular stream, move it's priority to a lower level. For example, streaming video would fit this category after a certain period of time/bandwidth usage, as would torrents and other P2P applications. All queues would have access to the full pipe, but priority enforcement would cause the less desirable traffic to be throttled back when the normal traffic wanted access. What I am trying to automate is protocol based prioritization AND allow the router to determine when a particular behavior is going to potentially cause issues. Some of this can be done manually. For example, if you have a slow link, you manually log into your router and look at torch. In torch, you see a customer that has 150 active connections. You know that that customer is either doing some type of P2P OR has a virus. What my implementation is looking to do is automate it so that those known patterns are automatically detected and handled appropriately. Of course, what is appropriate for one network may not be so for another. Because of that, I am looking at methods to make it easier from a management perspective. SO, if you wanted to (for example) always set Hulu (easily identified) to a lower priority, that is easy to do. If, however, you wanted to do the same with NetFlix, we have to build a smarter mechanism to detect that. The advantage to my approach (once it is done), is that things like NetFlix will be AUTOMATICALLY identified and handled according to the network administrator's wishes. Is that the answer you wanted? LOL. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 12:36 -0800, Joe Miller wrote: Can the MikroTik router be used for just this purpose? I already have routers in place so I do not need the router function on these. Meaning you have them bridged? You can do SOME of this even when bridged. It is just a little more complex mangle configuration if you want to properly manage upload/download traffic. If you just want to limit speeds of streams, then that can be done, too. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
Yes, this is the answer I am looking for. Let me know when this is available / stable, and you will soon become a rich man. things like NetFlix will be AUTOMATICALLY identified and handled according to the network administrator's wishes. Is that the answer you wanted? LOL. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
you will soon become a rich man. Not if he is counting on WISPs to pay him! :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gary Garrett Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. Yes, this is the answer I am looking for. Let me know when this is available / stable, and you will soon become a rich man. things like NetFlix will be AUTOMATICALLY identified and handled according to the network administrator's wishes. Is that the answer you wanted? LOL. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.59/2494 - Release Date: 11/11/09 07:40:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] USF changes?
Its more like they want to control the chicken that lays the egg. The problem is that our federal government thinks they own everything or at least have control of it. They give no credence to the people including WISP's. So, they will rely on heavy handed tactics to force us to do things whether it is good for our businesses or not. I might be wrong but I see no good in anything they do. Therefore, they can stay in DC, play their games and I'll keep doing what I do until they come pry my radios...well, you know! -RickG On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: The problem as I see it is that we are arguing the chicken and the egg. While I understand why a WISP would not necessarily want to disclose their network footprint, it has become very obvious that not disclosing the information has created more harmful situations (BTOP/BIP funding as one example) than would have been lost by letting the information out. The legislative climate and the rate of change on broadband policy is so rapid today, that waiting for some incentive to provide the information, to me is more risk than disclosing the information. The FCC is indeed in the process of looking at some of the ideas you mention in your email. It's happening TODAY and policy/opinion/legislation is being crafted based on information they can get their hands on now or in the very near future. I have been contacted by the FCC about mapping broadband on a granular level and in those conversations, USF reform was mentioned as one of the uses for the mapping information. They already have a major data analysis company under contract doing the modeling and considerations for USF reforms. The mapping information will be a HUGE input and factor in some of the answers they will derive from their studies. Many of these answers will be formulated in the next 6 months or less. Waiting for legislative efforts to create incentive to provide the information will more than likely be too late for the WISP industry. Creating this data and just giving it away is a huge burden on a WISP no doubt, but competing with a rural telco who might be able, under USF reforms, to get subsidies for their DSL lines as well as the voice lines they get now, will certainly make it much tougher for a WISP to compete in a rural market. Right now wireless enjoys a big advantage in the cost per subscriber to deploy compared to others. The FCC knows this. They are also dealing with a congress who is influenced by strong telco and cable lobby groups. The WISP industry has none of that and what is worse, they have no comprehensive data put together to help the FCC defend any position that might give WISP's a stab at USF funding. If they have no hard data they have a very difficult time rebutting any claims the the cable and telco industry claim. Yet another good reason the WISP industry should be filing the Form 477 data Thank You, Brian Webster On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Brian, I argue to push legislation to give benefit to providers to map their data, so its a no brainer to cooperate. A Map is not needed to suggest and conclude USF reform. A Map is needed implemen new USF rules, such as tocollect USF funds, and block recipients from collecting funds. I hardly see the benefit in giving away to the coverage information without first being given the benefit of giving it away. The first step is get legislation to include broadband as eligible recipients. And step two is to get legislation to include that USF funds wont be given to entities that are alread y served by wireless technology. And Step3 is to get legislation to include what criteria considers an area adequately served by wireless technology. Or Step4 - to create the equivellent of a ILEC, for a wireless provider. Shouldn't there be a WiLEC status? :-) When Feds give us good reason to disclose our coverage, backed by passed good legislation, I assure you WISPs will be first in line to give it. Have the feds tell usthey wont give grants to new entrants where there is already a WISP, unless to that pre-existing WISP, and I assure you WISPs will flood the info to you. But with legislation like, WISP must serve 60% of an areas to disqualify others, there is hardly a call to action to provide information. Providing that information just makes it easier for other applicants to serve our areas. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF changes? The FCC understands it very well. The problem is that WISP's are not well known as far as where, how many, and what speeds
Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it?
Tom, great post! My responses inline below with your replies truncated for the clarity of this thread. On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: You only owe property tax on property that YOU own, until the time it is depreciated, and its paid the the State/County that the property is located in. So if you lease equipment or property, you are not obligated by law (Tax code) to pay property tax on the leased equipment. However, if you agreed under contract to pay your leassor's property tax, then that obligates you to pay the Leasor. (Note difference between Fair Market Value Lease and Lease to Own Lease which may have differences in law on whether the leased property is owned by the leasor or leasee for Property Tax purposes. That question I'll leave to your Accountant) Correct. I currently have a Fair Market Value lease and it requires me to pay the property taxes. There are Expenses, Cost of Goods, and then there are Assets. You as the business owner claim what purchases are COGS, expenses and assets, in line with Generally Accepted Accounting Practices. So, in your books, are you recording a Nut/bolt as an asset, expense, or COGS?... + So to answer your question. Do you pay tax on every screw and Bolt? Again, the reason for this post is to explore options if any. In business, it seems taxes control much of what we do. Therefore, I wonder if it makes sense to expense the radio like a screw bolt, if possible? Alternatively, maybe its better if you sell it to the customer or even give it away. it can be hard to track what is owed in Property Tax in accounting systems, because tracking for Income and financial statements might be different than needs of Property Tax, so I track my property for Property tax seperately in a spreadsheet. I wonder how larger companies deal with this, but I assume as companies grow larger, they probably have to work with a set of assumption to better automate their tracking. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband Another great question. Maybe that's why the satellite television companies give the equipment away? Thanks! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it?
My CPA's .02. He also owned a WISP. I think that if you can get the customer to pay for the cpe, that it's a great thing. - improves your cash flow, eliminates need for debt or lease liability - locks the customer in even more, in my opinion - selling equipment insurance for an extra buck or two a month is a great idea - valuation of your business should be based more on cash flow vs. assets on the books. - eliminates the need to report and keep track of property taxes The lease example is kind of bogus in my opinion I think it assumes that the bottle neck to adding customers is how much cpe you can acquire, whether leasing or buying outright... the reality is that the bottleneck to adding customers is much more complicated than that. more like what your rates are and your coverage area. -RickG On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Again, Property tax is governed by local code, which can differ by areas, so checking with your local tax code and accountants is appropriate. have been paying our property taxes by default because of our lessor passes it on to us. You only owe property tax on property that YOU own, until the time it is depreciated, and its paid the the State/County that the property is located in. So if you lease equipment or property, you are not obligated by law (Tax code) to pay property tax on the leased equipment. However, if you agreed under contract to pay your leassor's property tax, then that obligates you to pay the Leasor. (Note difference between Fair Market Value Lease and Lease to Own Lease which may have differences in law on whether the leased property is owned by the leasor or leasee for Property Tax purposes. That question I'll leave to your Accountant) Do you pay property taxes on every screw, nut, bolt? There are Expenses, Cost of Goods, and then there are Assets. You as the business owner claim what purchases are COGS, expenses and assets, in line with Generally Accepted Accounting Practices. So, in your books, are you recording a Nut/bolt as an asset, expense, or COGS? Depends on your purpose. You might want to show that your company has a lot of assets and might want to show every item cost that contributed to building your network, that physically exist to accomplish that. Technically you could argue that bolt belongs to you. But you could also argue that Bolt was an expense because it was an insignificant cost that cant be liquidated or reused if removed. Its really up to you. You aren't likely going to be scrutinized for that decission by tax auditors, but you are going to be held accountable for the decissions you made. What does matter is that if you claim in your books/incometax that something you bought is a tangible fixed asset, no matter how small, it is property, and it is subject to taxation.(unless code made provisions for excemption) In my case, lets examine why I overpaid my Property Tax. I did not provide my accountant with detail regarding which state I installed CPE, nor did I provide them with information on whether I owned my CPEs over time or whther the customer would, according to the terms of my contracts. Therefore the accountant had no way to know, and used standard assumptions, and calculated owed PPT based on the total amount of property/assets recorded as owned. How do they calculate amount of property owned? Its easy... You itemized tangible fixed assets on Section 179 Form, that you wanted to expense (up to a specific dollar amount, where allowed to deduct full cost amount in year asset was purchased.). And you itemized assets in the depreciation tables for all remaining assets that you wanted to depreciate over time instead of expense in the current year. So every asset item that you list in the Section 179 or Depreciation table is property subject to property tax. Usually, small items are bulked togeather as a single item/cost organized by which ledger account the item was recorded in. So my accuntant, simply added up the cost of these itemized assets and depreciated value of assets, and that was used as the property that was taxable. So auditors would look to see that what you claim on your personal property tax filing matches thse expenses reported on your income tax or company books. If not, it could be a flag. For example, if you are a Maryland company, but 2/3 of your equipment was installed in VA, and you appropriately reported only 1/3 of your section 179 assets on Maryland Personal Property Tax, your filing would be accrurate, but might look odd to auditors having them wonder where the other 2/3rd of assets weren't getting tax paid on them. When the County Estimated the Tax owed, they estimated it on the Full section 179 costs installed anywhere, because it never crossed there mind it wouldn't be property in Maryland. Its also important to classify assets correctly. For example, I originally
Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
I'll take mine over easy! On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Hey, you DO have to turn it over after 45 minutes. Read the manual. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches Anyone in the burning hot states put a 493ah in a NEMA and let it cook until well done? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote: 493AH :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches. They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas heat. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
There are several classes of VLAN switches. I'll use SMC as an example... 1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are very intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label each port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc. They allow every thing to be done. But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself, its easy to configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients. They make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches and end location switches. 2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything with VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well for dual purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch. They lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable or disable like VLAN Aware that may not be specific on what VLAN functionality is enabled by making it aware. It usually takes a quick read of the manual before making a config, because the logic is not straight forward. Many Web Switches are like this. SMC and Intellinet have affordable 8 port VLAN switches that are functional, but with the firmware that is equivellent to low end VLAN switches as described in #2 above. But I beleive both have text, SNMP, serial, and Web interfaces, which give them a step up over other basic web switch products. Both models sell under $200, and have atleast 2 Gigabit ports, possibly SPF ports. I just wish someone made a 8 port VLAN switch for the low dollar cost, that had the HIGH END INTUITIVE VLAN firmware, that allowed each port to be labled in software. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit, Management is a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such. They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches. They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas heat. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
This is my main complaint with the 1800-8G and the 1800-24G I've asked procurve to add these 3 features and got a standard we'll think about it answer. 1. Ability to label ports 2. Ability to label vlans 3. Ability to disable a port All very simple requests that can't take much in terms of memory/firmware size to implement. In terms of speed, stability, function other then the above, its a awesome switch. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:42 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches There are several classes of VLAN switches. I'll use SMC as an example... 1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are very intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label each port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc. They allow every thing to be done. But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself, its easy to configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients. They make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches and end location switches. 2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything with VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well for dual purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch. They lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable or disable like VLAN Aware that may not be specific on what VLAN functionality is enabled by making it aware. It usually takes a quick read of the manual before making a config, because the logic is not straight forward. Many Web Switches are like this. SMC and Intellinet have affordable 8 port VLAN switches that are functional, but with the firmware that is equivellent to low end VLAN switches as described in #2 above. But I beleive both have text, SNMP, serial, and Web interfaces, which give them a step up over other basic web switch products. Both models sell under $200, and have atleast 2 Gigabit ports, possibly SPF ports. I just wish someone made a 8 port VLAN switch for the low dollar cost, that had the HIGH END INTUITIVE VLAN firmware, that allowed each port to be labled in software. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit, Management is a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such. They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches. They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas heat. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] USF changes?
Yes, they do understand it. You're not understanding the point.The telcos have big bucks to lobby with, and benefit the regulators. We do not.Thus, we will NEVER be on their list.We cannot get onto the top of the rolodex until we have millions with which to lobby, and can legally bribe a bunch of government agencies. There is no benefit to offering them data, free labor, etc.The mandates will get larger, deeper, more and more costly, and the benefits promised by certain individuals will never EVER happen. And, should it ever reach the point we actually pinch the telcos or cablecos enough for them to get concerned, they will call in the favors and have us obliterated. Welcome to the new generation of thug politics in DC. Just look what's happening to broadcast industry, the insurance industry, etc.You exist to benefit our political aspirations. The moment you fail in that regard, you will be shredded, beaten, whipped, ruined, bankrupted and criminalized. Either you're a political ally, or you're toast. This administration has removed all semblances of public service and has officially made it federal policy to conduct political wars upon the people, businesses, enterprises, and even the states, if there is any political benefit to doing so. It is federal malevolence at the highest level ever seen before in this country. And it's getting worse by massive leaps and bounds. Even appointees to the FCC have made this clear, in demonstrating they believe in the direction and control of media and industry for the benefit of the political class. I argued years ago that surrendering our sovereignty to the feds was a recipe for industry disaster. So far, I've been called stupid, extreme, radical, idiotic, mindless, and a kook for thinking so. Trying being a health insurance company, doctor, investor, banker or any one of a number of recently demonized groups.The White House has decided it can control your prices, wages, services, products, and policies, if ANY public money passes to you or even if you just happen to be in an industry that gets political attention. Even if it just means a bailed out company did business with you. Or, your service is considered important or essential. They haven't gotten around to us yet, but we're in the crosshairs. After all, we're in business to make a profit, and anyone making a profit needs to be slapped down and destroyed.We should have stood for our independence, instead of lusting after public money, but no, principle is foolish, and money is all that matters, I was told. Well, you got what you wanted. And I'm still around to say I told you so. The pursuit of favors, public money, loans, grants... That was just too enticing, wasn't it? The country's going to hell in a handbasket financially, because everyone's holding their hand out waiting for someone else's money to flow their way, courtesy of politicians.And lots of the leadership of WISPA was arguing and holding out the promise of getting someone else's money for the industry. Well, ALL of you, and ALL of the same greedy mentalities all through our industry and nation have set the situation up that it's all come home to roost, and the taxpayers are... well, paying for it. Unemployment, ruined retirements, bankruptcy, and so on. You should have stood on principle, not on greed.Best never invite me to an industry gathering or I'll tell you what I really think. It would not be pretty. I haven't read this list in months, been busy. But nothing has changed. We've still got WISPA leadership promoting the lusting after public money. Damn you for your immorality.The consequences are all around us, the people have suffered greatly because of that kind of thinking... And you're STILL DOING IT??? I don't want to hear they're going to give it anyway, might as well get your share. Hell no.We should put our country first, and the lust for easy someone else's money given the boot.But we've been sold out to the FCC by former leadership urging the FCC to regulate and mandate stuff on our part for them. In return, of course, for vague hints something might come our way. Shame on every one of you who took, is trying to get, or even thinking of trying to get your hands on someone else's money.It wasn't just a political matter after all. It was moral, too. And look at the consequences it wrought. Ok, enough. I'm angry now and starting to get worked up. -- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:55 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF changes? And they forgot all about the other ISP's out there. They are leaving it up to the telcos to supply the demand! Do they(The FCC) not understand that other companies besides the telcos and cable companies
Re: [WISPA] USF changes?
I, Respectfully, disagree with your assertion that is is useless. Another industry organization I belong to (ATSI. www.atsi.org ) is working with a well connected firm in DC that has led to MANY favorable reports back from the legislative members on this very issue. When I get back to the office, I'll dig up more detail on the project and forward along. Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect -Original Message- From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:35:55 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF changes? Yes, they do understand it. You're not understanding the point.The telcos have big bucks to lobby with, and benefit the regulators. We do not.Thus, we will NEVER be on their list.We cannot get onto the top of the rolodex until we have millions with which to lobby, and can legally bribe a bunch of government agencies. There is no benefit to offering them data, free labor, etc.The mandates will get larger, deeper, more and more costly, and the benefits promised by certain individuals will never EVER happen. And, should it ever reach the point we actually pinch the telcos or cablecos enough for them to get concerned, they will call in the favors and have us obliterated. Welcome to the new generation of thug politics in DC. Just look what's happening to broadcast industry, the insurance industry, etc.You exist to benefit our political aspirations. The moment you fail in that regard, you will be shredded, beaten, whipped, ruined, bankrupted and criminalized. Either you're a political ally, or you're toast. This administration has removed all semblances of public service and has officially made it federal policy to conduct political wars upon the people, businesses, enterprises, and even the states, if there is any political benefit to doing so. It is federal malevolence at the highest level ever seen before in this country. And it's getting worse by massive leaps and bounds. Even appointees to the FCC have made this clear, in demonstrating they believe in the direction and control of media and industry for the benefit of the political class. I argued years ago that surrendering our sovereignty to the feds was a recipe for industry disaster. So far, I've been called stupid, extreme, radical, idiotic, mindless, and a kook for thinking so. Trying being a health insurance company, doctor, investor, banker or any one of a number of recently demonized groups.The White House has decided it can control your prices, wages, services, products, and policies, if ANY public money passes to you or even if you just happen to be in an industry that gets political attention. Even if it just means a bailed out company did business with you. Or, your service is considered important or essential. They haven't gotten around to us yet, but we're in the crosshairs. After all, we're in business to make a profit, and anyone making a profit needs to be slapped down and destroyed.We should have stood for our independence, instead of lusting after public money, but no, principle is foolish, and money is all that matters, I was told. Well, you got what you wanted. And I'm still around to say I told you so. The pursuit of favors, public money, loans, grants... That was just too enticing, wasn't it? The country's going to hell in a handbasket financially, because everyone's holding their hand out waiting for someone else's money to flow their way, courtesy of politicians.And lots of the leadership of WISPA was arguing and holding out the promise of getting someone else's money for the industry. Well, ALL of you, and ALL of the same greedy mentalities all through our industry and nation have set the situation up that it's all come home to roost, and the taxpayers are... well, paying for it. Unemployment, ruined retirements, bankruptcy, and so on. You should have stood on principle, not on greed.Best never invite me to an industry gathering or I'll tell you what I really think. It would not be pretty. I haven't read this list in months, been busy. But nothing has changed. We've still got WISPA leadership promoting the lusting after public money. Damn you for your immorality.The consequences are all around us, the people have suffered greatly because of that kind of thinking... And you're STILL DOING IT??? I don't want to hear they're going to give it anyway, might as well get your share. Hell no.We should put our country first, and the lust for easy someone else's money given the boot.But we've been sold out to the FCC by former leadership urging the FCC to regulate and mandate stuff on our part for them. In return, of course, for vague hints something might come our way. Shame on every one of you who took, is trying to get, or even thinking of trying to get your hands on someone else's money.
Re: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5
3/8 Inch drip tube. Its smaller than conduit and its flexible. - Matt Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I've had several customers that have had their dog chew on the Cat5 going from the house to the TV tower and some of them multiple times. Anyone have ideas on how to keep the dog from chewing on the wire? I've got one customer on their 3rd Cat5 run and going out right now to replace a different customer that will be his 3rd one as well. I'm about ready to shoot the stinking dog.. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5
1/2 inch plastic conduit works, and it's about 95 cents per 10 foot stick at Home Depot... The price is good, how's that compare to drip tube? -- From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:06 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5 3/8 Inch drip tube. Its smaller than conduit and its flexible. - Matt Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I've had several customers that have had their dog chew on the Cat5 going from the house to the TV tower and some of them multiple times. Anyone have ideas on how to keep the dog from chewing on the wire? I've got one customer on their 3rd Cat5 run and going out right now to replace a different customer that will be his 3rd one as well. I'm about ready to shoot the stinking dog.. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] USF changes?
I hate to say this but I agree. MDK wrote: Yes, they do understand it. You're not understanding the point.The telcos have big bucks to lobby with, and benefit the regulators. We do not.Thus, we will NEVER be on their list.We cannot get onto the top of the rolodex until we have millions with which to lobby, and can legally bribe a bunch of government agencies. There is no benefit to offering them data, free labor, etc.The mandates will get larger, deeper, more and more costly, and the benefits promised by certain individuals will never EVER happen. And, should it ever reach the point we actually pinch the telcos or cablecos enough for them to get concerned, they will call in the favors and have us obliterated. Welcome to the new generation of thug politics in DC. Just look what's happening to broadcast industry, the insurance industry, etc.You exist to benefit our political aspirations. The moment you fail in that regard, you will be shredded, beaten, whipped, ruined, bankrupted and criminalized. Either you're a political ally, or you're toast. This administration has removed all semblances of public service and has officially made it federal policy to conduct political wars upon the people, businesses, enterprises, and even the states, if there is any political benefit to doing so. It is federal malevolence at the highest level ever seen before in this country. And it's getting worse by massive leaps and bounds. Even appointees to the FCC have made this clear, in demonstrating they believe in the direction and control of media and industry for the benefit of the political class. I argued years ago that surrendering our sovereignty to the feds was a recipe for industry disaster. So far, I've been called stupid, extreme, radical, idiotic, mindless, and a kook for thinking so. Trying being a health insurance company, doctor, investor, banker or any one of a number of recently demonized groups.The White House has decided it can control your prices, wages, services, products, and policies, if ANY public money passes to you or even if you just happen to be in an industry that gets political attention. Even if it just means a bailed out company did business with you. Or, your service is considered important or essential. They haven't gotten around to us yet, but we're in the crosshairs. After all, we're in business to make a profit, and anyone making a profit needs to be slapped down and destroyed.We should have stood for our independence, instead of lusting after public money, but no, principle is foolish, and money is all that matters, I was told. Well, you got what you wanted. And I'm still around to say I told you so. The pursuit of favors, public money, loans, grants... That was just too enticing, wasn't it? The country's going to hell in a handbasket financially, because everyone's holding their hand out waiting for someone else's money to flow their way, courtesy of politicians.And lots of the leadership of WISPA was arguing and holding out the promise of getting someone else's money for the industry. Well, ALL of you, and ALL of the same greedy mentalities all through our industry and nation have set the situation up that it's all come home to roost, and the taxpayers are... well, paying for it. Unemployment, ruined retirements, bankruptcy, and so on. You should have stood on principle, not on greed.Best never invite me to an industry gathering or I'll tell you what I really think. It would not be pretty. I haven't read this list in months, been busy. But nothing has changed. We've still got WISPA leadership promoting the lusting after public money. Damn you for your immorality.The consequences are all around us, the people have suffered greatly because of that kind of thinking... And you're STILL DOING IT??? I don't want to hear they're going to give it anyway, might as well get your share. Hell no.We should put our country first, and the lust for easy someone else's money given the boot.But we've been sold out to the FCC by former leadership urging the FCC to regulate and mandate stuff on our part for them. In return, of course, for vague hints something might come our way. Shame on every one of you who took, is trying to get, or even thinking of trying to get your hands on someone else's money.It wasn't just a political matter after all. It was moral, too. And look at the consequences it wrought. Ok, enough. I'm angry now and starting to get worked up. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] USF changes?
Arrg, I respectfully disagree. Sitting back idle and watching a bank get robbed or a person get mugged, is it an exceptable answer to say, I didn't ask for the money for my self so its OK to sit idle and watch others create crimes? Its just as wrong to sit back and watch 7 billion dollars of public money be spend poorly and given to the wrong people and for wrong purposes without atleast standing up and trying to influence better ways for it to be spent and allocated for the purpose it was intended for. I ask for handouts because I am confident that if I get a handout, I'll spend that money better and more favorably than the other persons that might have gotten the handouts. And I'm sure most people that applied for handouts feel the same way, that they'd spend it better and wiser themselves. We have a responsibilty to ask for it, and influence who gets it, to help guarantee its spent wisely. Ignoring the money will not result in the money being returned, or being well spent. I was very proud of the first half of my adult life, I did it my way, and never asked for a dime from nobody. But there became a period in my life when I learn that accepting help is not a dirty word, and asking for help was an even less dirty word. More good can be accomplished with a team. Will we get help from the government? Is the Government the best team member? I really dont know. What I can tell you is that the chances that I'll ever see a dime of this money is a thousand to one, but that does not stop me from wanting to be involved, and by going into it with that acceptance of the odds, there is nothing to loose by trying. What I can also say is that its not all about me, or for that matter you, and whether you or I benefit. Maybe it really is about the public benefiting. You can preach your anti-government rhetoric all you want, and there may even be some truth to it, but at the end of the day, I can guarantee you only one thing. That is $7 billion dollars will be spent. Because of that, it is inevitable that there will be a percentage of American and Commuities that will newly gain broadband. And after considering the economic development benefit, regardless of the cost and efficiency of the money spent, there will be an ROI eventually. At this stage, I'm not confident if any WISPA member will be helped. But at the end of the day, I will be proud of the way I spent my time, because I know that I didn't just sit back and watch, but actually helped increase the chance to get money in the hands of people that I respect and trust to be most worthy to spend the money for the public good, and their own. I'm very interested to see who Round1 winners end up being. And lobby effort for Round2 has now started, and WISPA will continue to lead the effort to influence possitive change, and optimize chances for its members to particpate and gain help. I believe the same applies to USF. We can stand by and watch, or we can attempt to influence. And whether or not we become benefactors is not the only measure of success for our efforts. Sometimes simply influencing possitive change in some capacity is enough to make it all worth it. When it comes to USF, one option is to tell them to drop the program, and stop regulating. But once again, probably not a wise approach. USF is in the hotseat for a change, and Broadband to Rural America is on the top of the legislators' and FCC's list, and looking for a way to pay for it. USF is one way that burdens Tax Payer's less. Its going to be very convenient to extend USF to broadband in my opinion. And I wouldn't be surprised if they try and throw VOIP providers into the list of contributors. If we dont speak up, the only option is we'll get the shaft. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF changes? Yes, they do understand it. You're not understanding the point.The telcos have big bucks to lobby with, and benefit the regulators. We do not.Thus, we will NEVER be on their list.We cannot get onto the top of the rolodex until we have millions with which to lobby, and can legally bribe a bunch of government agencies. There is no benefit to offering them data, free labor, etc.The mandates will get larger, deeper, more and more costly, and the benefits promised by certain individuals will never EVER happen. And, should it ever reach the point we actually pinch the telcos or cablecos enough for them to get concerned, they will call in the favors and have us obliterated. Welcome to the new generation of thug politics in DC. Just look what's happening to broadcast industry, the insurance industry, etc.You exist to benefit our political aspirations. The moment you fail in that regard, you will be
[WISPA] HP to buy 3Com for 3.1bln
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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
Can I ask what do you mean by being able to Label a port ? A lable that you can see from command line or web interface ? Or something that shows up on SNMP ? Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:42 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches There are several classes of VLAN switches. I'll use SMC as an example... 1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are very intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label each port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc. They allow every thing to be done. But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself, its easy to configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients. They make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches and end location switches. 2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything with VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well for dual purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch. They lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable or disable like VLAN Aware that may not be specific on what VLAN functionality is enabled by making it aware. It usually takes a quick read of the manual before making a config, because the logic is not straight forward. Many Web Switches are like this. SMC and Intellinet have affordable 8 port VLAN switches that are functional, but with the firmware that is equivellent to low end VLAN switches as described in #2 above. But I beleive both have text, SNMP, serial, and Web interfaces, which give them a step up over other basic web switch products. Both models sell under $200, and have atleast 2 Gigabit ports, possibly SPF ports. I just wish someone made a 8 port VLAN switch for the low dollar cost, that had the HIGH END INTUITIVE VLAN firmware, that allowed each port to be labled in software. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit, Management is a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such. They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches. They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas heat. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
BTW, quick question, anyone out there using Router Boards as l3 Switches ? Thanks. Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches This is my main complaint with the 1800-8G and the 1800-24G I've asked procurve to add these 3 features and got a standard we'll think about it answer. 1. Ability to label ports 2. Ability to label vlans 3. Ability to disable a port All very simple requests that can't take much in terms of memory/firmware size to implement. In terms of speed, stability, function other then the above, its a awesome switch. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:42 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches There are several classes of VLAN switches. I'll use SMC as an example... 1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are very intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label each port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc. They allow every thing to be done. But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself, its easy to configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients. They make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches and end location switches. 2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything with VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well for dual purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch. They lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable or disable like VLAN Aware that may not be specific on what VLAN functionality is enabled by making it aware. It usually takes a quick read of the manual before making a config, because the logic is not straight forward. Many Web Switches are like this. SMC and Intellinet have affordable 8 port VLAN switches that are functional, but with the firmware that is equivellent to low end VLAN switches as described in #2 above. But I beleive both have text, SNMP, serial, and Web interfaces, which give them a step up over other basic web switch products. Both models sell under $200, and have atleast 2 Gigabit ports, possibly SPF ports. I just wish someone made a 8 port VLAN switch for the low dollar cost, that had the HIGH END INTUITIVE VLAN firmware, that allowed each port to be labled in software. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit, Management is a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such. They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches. They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas heat. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] HP to buy 3Com for 3.1bln
This was brought up in an IRC channel earlier today no one could answer this question: What does 3com have that prospective buyers want? On 11/11/09, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: http://www.reuters.com/article/CMPTRS/idUSN1138008420091112 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
Yes a rb450g works great. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:36:24 To: n...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches BTW, quick question, anyone out there using Router Boards as l3 Switches ? Thanks. Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches This is my main complaint with the 1800-8G and the 1800-24G I've asked procurve to add these 3 features and got a standard we'll think about it answer. 1. Ability to label ports 2. Ability to label vlans 3. Ability to disable a port All very simple requests that can't take much in terms of memory/firmware size to implement. In terms of speed, stability, function other then the above, its a awesome switch. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:42 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches There are several classes of VLAN switches. I'll use SMC as an example... 1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are very intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label each port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc. They allow every thing to be done. But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself, its easy to configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients. They make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches and end location switches. 2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything with VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well for dual purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch. They lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable or disable like VLAN Aware that may not be specific on what VLAN functionality is enabled by making it aware. It usually takes a quick read of the manual before making a config, because the logic is not straight forward. Many Web Switches are like this. SMC and Intellinet have affordable 8 port VLAN switches that are functional, but with the firmware that is equivellent to low end VLAN switches as described in #2 above. But I beleive both have text, SNMP, serial, and Web interfaces, which give them a step up over other basic web switch products. Both models sell under $200, and have atleast 2 Gigabit ports, possibly SPF ports. I just wish someone made a 8 port VLAN switch for the low dollar cost, that had the HIGH END INTUITIVE VLAN firmware, that allowed each port to be labled in software. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit, Management is a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such. They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches. They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas heat. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
Not really, but if MT would come out with a RouterBoard that had 12, 24, 48 ports and was under $300 we'd buy a *ton* of them. I wouldn't think it'd be that difficult, actually. On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: BTW, quick question, anyone out there using Router Boards as l3 Switches ? Thanks. Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches This is my main complaint with the 1800-8G and the 1800-24G I've asked procurve to add these 3 features and got a standard we'll think about it answer. 1. Ability to label ports 2. Ability to label vlans 3. Ability to disable a port All very simple requests that can't take much in terms of memory/firmware size to implement. In terms of speed, stability, function other then the above, its a awesome switch. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:42 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches There are several classes of VLAN switches. I'll use SMC as an example... 1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are very intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label each port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc. They allow every thing to be done. But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself, its easy to configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients. They make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches and end location switches. 2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything with VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well for dual purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch. They lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable or disable like VLAN Aware that may not be specific on what VLAN functionality is enabled by making it aware. It usually takes a quick read of the manual before making a config, because the logic is not straight forward. Many Web Switches are like this. SMC and Intellinet have affordable 8 port VLAN switches that are functional, but with the firmware that is equivellent to low end VLAN switches as described in #2 above. But I beleive both have text, SNMP, serial, and Web interfaces, which give them a step up over other basic web switch products. Both models sell under $200, and have atleast 2 Gigabit ports, possibly SPF ports. I just wish someone made a 8 port VLAN switch for the low dollar cost, that had the HIGH END INTUITIVE VLAN firmware, that allowed each port to be labled in software. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit, Management is a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such. They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches. They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas heat. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
There are tons of great Cisco Switches going for cheap on the secondary markets in that price range and port density... I think the orignial poster of the email thread was looking for something small, hardend, low power for outdoor application. Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:45 PM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches Not really, but if MT would come out with a RouterBoard that had 12, 24, 48 ports and was under $300 we'd buy a *ton* of them. I wouldn't think it'd be that difficult, actually. On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: BTW, quick question, anyone out there using Router Boards as l3 Switches ? Thanks. Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches This is my main complaint with the 1800-8G and the 1800-24G I've asked procurve to add these 3 features and got a standard we'll think about it answer. 1. Ability to label ports 2. Ability to label vlans 3. Ability to disable a port All very simple requests that can't take much in terms of memory/firmware size to implement. In terms of speed, stability, function other then the above, its a awesome switch. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:42 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches There are several classes of VLAN switches. I'll use SMC as an example... 1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are very intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label each port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc. They allow every thing to be done. But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself, its easy to configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients. They make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches and end location switches. 2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything with VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well for dual purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch. They lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable or disable like VLAN Aware that may not be specific on what VLAN functionality is enabled by making it aware. It usually takes a quick read of the manual before making a config, because the logic is not straight forward. Many Web Switches are like this. SMC and Intellinet have affordable 8 port VLAN switches that are functional, but with the firmware that is equivellent to low end VLAN switches as described in #2 above. But I beleive both have text, SNMP, serial, and Web interfaces, which give them a step up over other basic web switch products. Both models sell under $200, and have atleast 2 Gigabit ports, possibly SPF ports. I just wish someone made a 8 port VLAN switch for the low dollar cost, that had the HIGH END INTUITIVE VLAN firmware, that allowed each port to be labled in software. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit, Management is a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such. They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches. They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas heat. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] HP to buy 3Com for 3.1bln
That is my take on it and what the author of the article hints about. Cisco started in on the server market earlier this year where HP is big. HP now get more serious about networking and expand product offering. 3com is also pretty successful in China so would assume buying 3com will give HP access and control of 3coms Chines channel as well. HP hitting back against Cisco and 3com might not be the last acquisition in the close future. The fight might just have finished round 2. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:42:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] HP to buy 3Com for 3.1bln Market share? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 12:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] HP to buy 3Com for 3.1bln This was brought up in an IRC channel earlier today no one could answer this question: What does 3com have that prospective buyers want? On 11/11/09, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: http://www.reuters.com/article/CMPTRS/idUSN1138008420091112 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
BTW, quick question, anyone out there using Router Boards as l3 Switches ? Also, how do they handle 50+ mbps of traffic and doing port based vlans? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] HP to buy 3Com for 3.1bln
This article very nicely outlines possibilities behind the move. http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/nov2009/tc2009_678209.htm / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] HP to buy 3Com for 3.1bln This was brought up in an IRC channel earlier today no one could answer this question: What does 3com have that prospective buyers want? On 11/11/09, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: http://www.reuters.com/article/CMPTRS/idUSN1138008420091112 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
Don't know about doing it with vlans but the RB450G's (the gigaethernet model) and Rb493AH (high cpu powered unit) can easily handle 50+mbps without breaking much of a sweet. Have a RB450G that is pushing an average of 6Mbps and cpu load don't go over 5% but this unit don't have any vlans active on it and setup as a l3 switch. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:42 PM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches BTW, quick question, anyone out there using Router Boards as l3 Switches ? Also, how do they handle 50+ mbps of traffic and doing port based vlans? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
We use an RB450G as a core in a couple pops. One in particular is running NAT, OSPF, PPTP VPN, MPLS, has about 20 VPLS tunnels, and does firewalling for a couple hundred public IPs. Average throughput: 20Mbps Average CPU load: 8% On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.comwrote: Don't know about doing it with vlans but the RB450G's (the gigaethernet model) and Rb493AH (high cpu powered unit) can easily handle 50+mbps without breaking much of a sweet. Have a RB450G that is pushing an average of 6Mbps and cpu load don't go over 5% but this unit don't have any vlans active on it and setup as a l3 switch. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:42 PM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches BTW, quick question, anyone out there using Router Boards as l3 Switches ? Also, how do they handle 50+ mbps of traffic and doing port based vlans? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
