Re: [WISPA] Anyone having this problem with UBNT Bullet M2?
What's funny is there's been no response from UBNT to my post on this topic in the forum, not even an acknowledgment. Greg On Mar 11, 2010, at 12:16 AM, Scottie Arnett wrote: Not having the same exact problem as you, but I put a bulletM2HP on my network, an it is VERY SLOW to respond to the web interface. I am talking minutes, not seconds. No Airmax and 20Mhz channel. I don't have the logs or extra reporting either. Still slow as molasses. Everything I read on the UBNT forum's it is an ongoing problem that they have not admitted yet. I have ried 5.1 and 5.1.2 firmware. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:05:26 -0430 Just posted this to the UBNT forum: I have had the following problem repeatedly. It's clearly repeatable. Problem: After adjusting output power and clicking apply the unit is no longer transmitting (clients can't see it and AirRadar doesn't detect it). What gets it going again is connecting via Ethernet and changing channels. Setup: The M2 is running as AP, 802.11 mode (not AirMax) 20mhz channel width, no encryption, connected to a 120deg sector and powered with a UBNT 15 volt POE and about a 25' Ethernet cable. No, I don't have the logs or extra reporting. If you want me to turn that on and make it happen I can. Anyone else seeing this? Greg p.s. I'm using the latest firmware WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] E-Rate Information
Ok... I have a question about eRate. We have been providing service to a school corporation at a discounted rate (because they are a school) and now they are requesting that we become e-rate so the government pays part. They are also looking at increasing the bandwidth as well. I am thinking that would be a good time to apply for e-rate and increase rates back to where they should be so the school gets a discount still, but we are paid for our services. Are there any downfalls to signing up and getting a SPIN? I don't think this will increase my ability to get schools/libraries. I am a bit concerned that becoming e-rate, I must collect USF fees or something like that. Any feedback or discussion is welcome as I am still on the fence. Thanks, Eric WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] E-Rate Information
Hi, Getting a SPIN only allows you to become an authorized vendor for Erate. Once you complete that, the school handles everything else to get the money from Erate. You continue to bill them (at whatever rate you agree upon) and Erate will pay you about 70% of the bill (usually at the end of the fiscal year). Most of our schools pay us each month for their service (in full), and then at the end of the year when we get the eRate check, we just deposit it into our account and write the school a check for the same amount. I am honestly surprised you are feeding any schools without having erate. We have been an erate provider for over 8 years now. It is one of the requirements for our schools to even request service from a provider. Travis Microserv Eric Rogers wrote: Ok... I have a question about eRate. We have been providing service to a school corporation at a discounted rate (because they are a school) and now they are requesting that we become e-rate so the government pays part. They are also looking at increasing the bandwidth as well. I am thinking that would be a good time to apply for e-rate and increase rates back to where they should be so the school gets a discount still, but we are paid for our services. Are there any downfalls to signing up and getting a SPIN? I don't think this will increase my ability to get schools/libraries. I am a bit concerned that becoming e-rate, I must collect USF fees or something like that. Any feedback or discussion is welcome as I am still on the fence. Thanks, Eric WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone having this problem with UBNT Bullet M2?
Maybe that can be translated as Duh! UBNT + Firmware = Anything you can think of I have a theory that Ubiquiti firmware bugs also cause global warming. It's just a theory, I'm looking for a grant in order to investigate. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 7:14 AM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone having this problem with UBNT Bullet M2? What's funny is there's been no response from UBNT to my post on this topic in the forum, not even an acknowledgment. Greg On Mar 11, 2010, at 12:16 AM, Scottie Arnett wrote: Not having the same exact problem as you, but I put a bulletM2HP on my network, an it is VERY SLOW to respond to the web interface. I am talking minutes, not seconds. No Airmax and 20Mhz channel. I don't have the logs or extra reporting either. Still slow as molasses. Everything I read on the UBNT forum's it is an ongoing problem that they have not admitted yet. I have ried 5.1 and 5.1.2 firmware. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:05:26 -0430 Just posted this to the UBNT forum: I have had the following problem repeatedly. It's clearly repeatable. Problem: After adjusting output power and clicking apply the unit is no longer transmitting (clients can't see it and AirRadar doesn't detect it). What gets it going again is connecting via Ethernet and changing channels. Setup: The M2 is running as AP, 802.11 mode (not AirMax) 20mhz channel width, no encryption, connected to a 120deg sector and powered with a UBNT 15 volt POE and about a 25' Ethernet cable. No, I don't have the logs or extra reporting. If you want me to turn that on and make it happen I can. Anyone else seeing this? Greg p.s. I'm using the latest firmware WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone having this problem with UBNT Bullet M2?
I figure the translation is: when the world is already beating a path to your door then you don't have to bother making a better mousetrap. Dealers can't keep UBNT stuff in stock, they're selling everything they can make. I guess they don't see the need to schmooze us on the forum. Greg On Mar 11, 2010, at 11:01 AM, Robert West wrote: Maybe that can be translated as Duh! UBNT + Firmware = Anything you can think of I have a theory that Ubiquiti firmware bugs also cause global warming. It's just a theory, I'm looking for a grant in order to investigate. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 7:14 AM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone having this problem with UBNT Bullet M2? What's funny is there's been no response from UBNT to my post on this topic in the forum, not even an acknowledgment. Greg On Mar 11, 2010, at 12:16 AM, Scottie Arnett wrote: Not having the same exact problem as you, but I put a bulletM2HP on my network, an it is VERY SLOW to respond to the web interface. I am talking minutes, not seconds. No Airmax and 20Mhz channel. I don't have the logs or extra reporting either. Still slow as molasses. Everything I read on the UBNT forum's it is an ongoing problem that they have not admitted yet. I have ried 5.1 and 5.1.2 firmware. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:05:26 -0430 Just posted this to the UBNT forum: I have had the following problem repeatedly. It's clearly repeatable. Problem: After adjusting output power and clicking apply the unit is no longer transmitting (clients can't see it and AirRadar doesn't detect it). What gets it going again is connecting via Ethernet and changing channels. Setup: The M2 is running as AP, 802.11 mode (not AirMax) 20mhz channel width, no encryption, connected to a 120deg sector and powered with a UBNT 15 volt POE and about a 25' Ethernet cable. No, I don't have the logs or extra reporting. If you want me to turn that on and make it happen I can. Anyone else seeing this? Greg p.s. I'm using the latest firmware WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios
I'm trying to compile a list of options for FCC certified 5.4 ptp radios for short backhaul links. Off the top of my head, I can remember: Tranzeo TR-5A Trango TrangoLINK-45 Radwin 2000 (has mimo as well) Motorola PTP 100, 200, 300, 500, 600 Any others I'm not aware of? Sure would be nice to see more mimo/N radios certified in 5.4. Anyone working through the approval process (ligowave?). -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Public Mikrotik for BW test ?
Hello, Anyone with a Mikrotik router available to do some remote BW tests? 20 Mbps Max needed! Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Ethernet LEDs
This may be a little out there, but does anyone know what causes the link light to show on an ethernet jack when the cable is plugged in? Is it as simple as just attaching an led to one of the signal wires, or is there some logic in there. Just curious. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Public Mikrotik for BW test ?
Where ya located Gino? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 11:13 AM To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Public Mikrotik for BW test ? Hello, Anyone with a Mikrotik router available to do some remote BW tests? 20 Mbps Max needed! Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios
Two off the top of my head. Exalt extendair 5r Redline AN80-t54 Mike Goicoechea VP of Operations Cielo Systems International 806-977-9001 ext 101 806-763-1945 fax Skype Mike.Goik m...@cielosystems.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios I'm trying to compile a list of options for FCC certified 5.4 ptp radios for short backhaul links. Off the top of my head, I can remember: Tranzeo TR-5A Trango TrangoLINK-45 Radwin 2000 (has mimo as well) Motorola PTP 100, 200, 300, 500, 600 Any others I'm not aware of? Sure would be nice to see more mimo/N radios certified in 5.4. Anyone working through the approval process (ligowave?). -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet LEDs
Logic. I have a picture of this loopback thing I made on my keyring which will take ~1 lifetimes to upload from my cell phone. Using it you can plug it into something and it should give it link. Works on anything except some Sun stuff (configuration dependent) IME. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Cameron Crum cc...@dot11net.com wrote: This may be a little out there, but does anyone know what causes the link light to show on an ethernet jack when the cable is plugged in? Is it as simple as just attaching an led to one of the signal wires, or is there some logic in there. Just curious. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios
Alvarion B-series WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Public Mikrotik for BW test ?
PR Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Andy Trimmell Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Public Mikrotik for BW test ? Where ya located Gino? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 11:13 AM To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Public Mikrotik for BW test ? Hello, Anyone with a Mikrotik router available to do some remote BW tests? 20 Mbps Max needed! Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Public Mikrotik for BW test ?
IF you haven't found anyone hit me offlist. We can get started. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 11:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Public Mikrotik for BW test ? PR Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Andy Trimmell Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Public Mikrotik for BW test ? Where ya located Gino? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 11:13 AM To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Public Mikrotik for BW test ? Hello, Anyone with a Mikrotik router available to do some remote BW tests? 20 Mbps Max needed! Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet LEDs
Simple terms it's the completion of a circuit. --- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net On Mar 11, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Cameron Crum cc...@dot11net.com wrote: This may be a little out there, but does anyone know what causes the link light to show on an ethernet jack when the cable is plugged in? Is it as simple as just attaching an led to one of the signal wires, or is there some logic in there. Just curious. --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet LEDs
Yeah, but which circuit? The transmit, receive or maybe the unused pairs? That got me wondering also. Anyone know what pair triggers the light??? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet LEDs Simple terms it's the completion of a circuit. --- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net On Mar 11, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Cameron Crum cc...@dot11net.com wrote: This may be a little out there, but does anyone know what causes the link light to show on an ethernet jack when the cable is plugged in? Is it as simple as just attaching an led to one of the signal wires, or is there some logic in there. Just curious. --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet LEDs
On 11 March 2010 12:52, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Yeah, but which circuit? The transmit, receive or maybe the unused pairs? That got me wondering also. Anyone know what pair triggers the light??? The transmit pair must be connected to the receive pair. This will make almost any switch show a link light. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] E-Rate Information
Eric, Other than about 4 forms a year you have to fill out the system is really easy to get into. Change your rates to market rate (don't overcharge the school). The school pays this full amount. You then get a check from the erate folks that you sign over to the school once a year. (this is their discount) ryan On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 5:31 AM, Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.comwrote: Ok... I have a question about eRate. We have been providing service to a school corporation at a discounted rate (because they are a school) and now they are requesting that we become e-rate so the government pays part. They are also looking at increasing the bandwidth as well. I am thinking that would be a good time to apply for e-rate and increase rates back to where they should be so the school gets a discount still, but we are paid for our services. Are there any downfalls to signing up and getting a SPIN? I don't think this will increase my ability to get schools/libraries. I am a bit concerned that becoming e-rate, I must collect USF fees or something like that. Any feedback or discussion is welcome as I am still on the fence. Thanks, Eric WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DC Powered sites
I will second your sentiments on Iota. Excellent product, and even better support. You will definitely want to have a dc-dc for the newer MT boards, There are a few decent 18v converters. Unfortunately you don't get voltage monitoring from the MT, but you also don't have to worry about it shutting down when performing an equalizing charge. According to the experts, the biggest way to contribute to the life of your battery is to use a charger that provides clean power. If you want more options for monitoring and control, consider RMS boards from BND. We only use Surrette batteries for storage with excellent results. I might get a little carried away, but I like to monitor the charge/discharge rate on off grid sites and use some handy little IC's for that http://www.allegromicro.com/en/Products/Part_Numbers/0750/ -- Greg Ihnen wrote: I've had good experiences with the IOTA chargers/power supplies. They're clean enough to be used directly as power supplies, but they have current limiting and thermal protection so you can hook one to a dead battery safely. You can manually adjust the voltage, and they're tough as nails. Greg On Mar 10, 2010, at 4:32 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I use Meanwell AD series power supplies. They hold the battery float voltage correctly and provide (adjustable) 24VDC to the device. jp wrote: On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 11:26:17AM -0600, Scott Piehn wrote: We a looking to setup a couple of our sites to run directly from DC power. AC comes in, convert to DC At this point, plan is to have a 24v setup of deep cycle batteries. Use a packetflux to monitor the battery voltage level Use a digital logger DIN relay for remote reboot. Use the PacWireless DC POE injectors for 12 - 48 volt output What I am totally not sure on is the charging/power piece. The initial site is going to have Canopy CMM micro with 1 powered port 8 Mikotik routerboards, switch ?should I run things directly from the battery, or how should it be powered ?what kind of charger should I get Scott Piehn The Mikrotiks handle up to 24v, but the charging float voltage is higher than they like, so you'll need a DC-DC converter for them. They are cheap and plentiful for a 24v-12v dc-dc converter. You can get a 24vdc switching power supply (or two) from Jameco, Ebay, etc.. and adjust the voltage set screw to the recommended float voltage for your batteries (probably in the 27-28v range). Too low, and you won't fully charge them, too high and you'll boil them away over time. The power supplies should provide power for the load and excess power for charging. Thus you'll have to figure out your load before you get a power supply (or just go for something grossly in excess of your needs) So if you have 240w load, you'll need 10A for the load and extra for charging and expansion, so a 20A (~~ 500w) power supply might be good. Use heavy duty wiring between the batteries and charger, etc.. for minimal voltage drop. A fuse panel like used in boats or traditional autos would be fine for the charging and loads fuses. For larger fuse needs, there are lots of excellent car audio system fuses and fuse blocks available. -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet LEDs
It is all the used pairs. The unused are not part of the circuit. The easy way to test this is make some patch cables. Leave out a wire. We have probably all seen patch cables where the unused wires are not even in the connector. --- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net On Mar 11, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just- micro.com wrote: Yeah, but which circuit? The transmit, receive or maybe the unused pairs? That got me wondering also. Anyone know what pair triggers the light??? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet LEDs Simple terms it's the completion of a circuit. --- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net On Mar 11, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Cameron Crum cc...@dot11net.com wrote: This may be a little out there, but does anyone know what causes the link light to show on an ethernet jack when the cable is plugged in? Is it as simple as just attaching an led to one of the signal wires, or is there some logic in there. Just curious. --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios
Hello, As far as I know the Tranzeo TR-5A is not approved in the US. While the radio can do it physically it does not have DFS and has not been approved for use in the US. I hope I am wrong. Any have the FCC doc to show it is OK to use in the US? I have not searched the FCC site for them. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios I'm trying to compile a list of options for FCC certified 5.4 ptp radios for short backhaul links. Off the top of my head, I can remember: Tranzeo TR-5A Trango TrangoLINK-45 Radwin 2000 (has mimo as well) Motorola PTP 100, 200, 300, 500, 600 Any others I'm not aware of? Sure would be nice to see more mimo/N radios certified in 5.4. Anyone working through the approval process (ligowave?). -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet LEDs
And sometimes some of the used also not in the connector... My internets ain't workin'! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 1:02 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet LEDs It is all the used pairs. The unused are not part of the circuit. The easy way to test this is make some patch cables. Leave out a wire. We have probably all seen patch cables where the unused wires are not even in the connector. --- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net On Mar 11, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just- micro.com wrote: Yeah, but which circuit? The transmit, receive or maybe the unused pairs? That got me wondering also. Anyone know what pair triggers the light??? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet LEDs Simple terms it's the completion of a circuit. --- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net On Mar 11, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Cameron Crum cc...@dot11net.com wrote: This may be a little out there, but does anyone know what causes the link light to show on an ethernet jack when the cable is plugged in? Is it as simple as just attaching an led to one of the signal wires, or is there some logic in there. Just curious. --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Modified Sine Inverter Acceptable
I have had a few switching power supplies die from using them with a modified sw inverter, and wouldn't trust the combination for a site you couldn't easily access. If you are using transformer type power supplies, this may be less of an issue. In any case you will lose efficiency and thus storage capacity with inverting, I would try to use DC power direct from batteries if at all possible, and for high reliability and more efficiency use pure SW. I have been known to adapt an industrial PureSineWave APC UPS with continuous rating to handle a much larger battery storage. -- Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote: Hey Guys, For running commodity routers, radios, servers on a remote site, is using a modified sine wave acceptable? I have some electrical engineers at the site im working on thinking of putting in a modified sine inverter, and joining them up with a large battery cache. The question we raised was, will a modified sine wave be damaging/problematic for things like a Ubiquti Radio/POE Injector, small WRT54GL router, small switch, and two servers (300-400w each). Let me know. I searched the lists and found this, http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/2007-July/027900.html but I didnt see the impact on the equipment there, just UPSes. I am going from: [very dirty mains 90-120v] - [battery charger] - [battery bank] - [inverter] --- outlets, [Equipment Transformers] - [Equipment] Ideas? Other power engineers on site brought along a Chicago Electric Inverter #95596 - http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=95596 -Israel WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios
The TR5a does have DFS. I think Damian Wallace's rant goes like this: We give the radio to a testing lab, and they do FCC testing. Then they tell us to listen for some sort of signal... and they give us like eleventy-billion signatures to listen for. Then they take our radio to a secret room and they make sure that they shut down when the signatures are presented. It is a pain in the backside... Older models of insert brand here that were created before DFS was required, did not have DFS. I have some older radios from insert up to 3 vendors here that do not have DFS.. However, newer models do, and some manufacturers turn DFS on with a firmware update. ryan On Mar 11, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Nathan Stooke wrote: Hello, As far as I know the Tranzeo TR-5A is not approved in the US. While the radio can do it physically it does not have DFS and has not been approved for use in the US. I hope I am wrong. Any have the FCC doc to show it is OK to use in the US? I have not searched the FCC site for them. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios I'm trying to compile a list of options for FCC certified 5.4 ptp radios for short backhaul links. Off the top of my head, I can remember: Tranzeo TR-5A Trango TrangoLINK-45 Radwin 2000 (has mimo as well) Motorola PTP 100, 200, 300, 500, 600 Any others I'm not aware of? Sure would be nice to see more mimo/N radios certified in 5.4. Anyone working through the approval process (ligowave?). -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FW: The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds
From another list From: droidd...@googlegroups.com [mailto:droidd...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill B Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:25 PM To: open-iph...@googlegroups.com; Droid Discussion Group Subject: [DroidDoes] The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds Sent to you by Bill B via Google Reader: The FCC Wants http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/03/fcc-broadband-test/ You to Test Your Broadband Speeds via Epicenter http://www.wired.com/epicenter by Ryan Singel on 3/11/10 http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/epicenter/2010/03/broadband-testing.gif broadband-testingThe FCC is asking the nation’s broadband and smartphone users to use their broadband testing tools to help the feds and consumers know what speeds are actually available, not just promised by the nations’ telecoms. Starting Thursday, netizens can go to the FCC’s Broadband.gov site http://www.broadband.gov/ , enter their address and test their broadband speed using one of two testing tools. iPhone and Android users can go to their respective app stores and download the FCC’s first ever mobile app, which will report to the feds exactly how slow your connection actually is. The FCC is requiring the street address “it may use this data to analyze broadband quality and availability on a geographic basis.” Broadband connection testing isn’t new, and is freely available online, but this might mark the first time that individual tests help to lead to informed policy making. Crowdsourcing this data is a brilliant move, given that telecoms have long fought against telling federal regulators what areas they cover and at what speed, arguing that information will be used by competitors to poach their customers. The data can also be used as a way to prevent telecoms from over-promising and under-delivering on upload and download speeds. If you listen closely you might actually hear the telecom companies hitting the backspace key to revise the speed numbers on their promotional fliers. But the FCC isn’t forgetting about those left out of the broadband revolution and is asking those who live in a broadband “Dead Zone” by filling out a report online, calling the FCC at -888-CALL-FCC, faxing the email or even sending a letter through the Postal Service. The announcement comes just six days before the FCC presents the first ever national broadband plan to Congress. Goals include 100 million Americans with 100 Mbps service by 2010, bringing affordable broadband to rural and urban areas, and helping digital laggards get online. The FCC is collecting IP addresses, along with physical addresses, but is not asking for names or e-mail addresses. They promise not to release the street addresses, with some exceptions noted in the privacy http://www.broadband.gov/broadband-quality-test-privacy-statement.html policy. A free Java plug-in is necessary to run the test. Gentleman, start your browsers. See Also: * The http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/03/the-wired-interview-fcc-chair-julius-genachowski-on-broadband-google-and-his-iphone/ Wired Interview: FCC Chair Julius Genachowski on Broadband * Um, http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/08/um-whats-broadband-asks-the-fcc/ What’s Broadband? Asks the FCC * Broadband http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/08/broadband-is-this-generations-highway-system-fcc-director-says/ Is This Generation’s Highway System, FCC Chief Says * Cost, http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/02/fcc-broadband-report/ Crotchetiness Keep Broadband Out of 1/3 of U.S. Homes * @USA: http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/08/usa-were-writing-the-national-broadband-plan/ We’re Writing the National Broadband Plan! Things you can do from here: * Subscribe http://www.google.com/reader/view/feed%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.wired.com%2Fepicenter%2Ffeed%2F?source=email to Epicenter using Google Reader * Get started using Google http://www.google.com/reader/?source=email Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios
From the horses mouth regarding Tranzeo and 5.4: ryan On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Damian Wallace dwall...@tranzeo.comwrote: The TR5a has DFS approval. All 5 GHz Stuff manufactured after we received the DFS approval has DFS turned on. Really old stuff does not have DFS because it was made before DFS was published. Now the bad news. Due to the plethora of illegal gear that operates in 5.4, the FCC has pulled back from issuing any new approvals for Outdoor gear. https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/kdb/forms/FTSSearchResultPage.cfm?switch =Pid=41732 That is why you haven't seen any new gear approved in the last year or more from anyone. Of course, illegal gear continues to pour in the space in the meantime. This came about because people were operating 5.4 gear without DFS around various locations in Puerto Rico and interfering with radar. -Original Message- From: D. Ryan Spott [mailto:rsp...@cspott.com] Sent: March-11-10 10:28 AM To: nstooke...@wisperisp.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios The TR5a does have DFS. I think Damian Wallace's rant goes like this: We give the radio to a testing lab, and they do FCC testing. Then they tell us to listen for some sort of signal... and they give us like eleventy-billion signatures to listen for. Then they take our radio to a secret room and they make sure that they shut down when the signatures are presented. It is a pain in the backside... Older models of insert brand here that were created before DFS was required, did not have DFS. I have some older radios from insert up to 3 vendors here that do not have DFS.. However, newer models do, and some manufacturers turn DFS on with a firmware update. ryan On Mar 11, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Nathan Stooke wrote: Hello, As far as I know the Tranzeo TR-5A is not approved in the US. While the radio can do it physically it does not have DFS and has not been approved for use in the US. I hope I am wrong. Any have the FCC doc to show it is OK to use in the US? I have not searched the FCC site for them. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios I'm trying to compile a list of options for FCC certified 5.4 ptp radios for short backhaul links. Off the top of my head, I can remember: Tranzeo TR-5A Trango TrangoLINK-45 Radwin 2000 (has mimo as well) Motorola PTP 100, 200, 300, 500, 600 Any others I'm not aware of? Sure would be nice to see more mimo/N radios certified in 5.4. Anyone working through the approval process (ligowave?). -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FW: The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds
Hmmm. The test seems to work well and is accurate based on what I usually see at my house. Nice that it won't work on most popular browsers that aren't Microsoft based :-). It would also be nice if they gave an average for an area (zip code or some such) so that people could see how they compared to their neighbors. Interesting idea though. I wonder how often they will get hits from zip codes that they previously thought had no service? Wonder if we'll ever get to find that out? lol marlon - Original Message - From: Aaron D. Osgood aosg...@streamline-solutions.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 11:44 AM Subject: [WISPA] FW: The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds From another list From: droidd...@googlegroups.com [mailto:droidd...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill B Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:25 PM To: open-iph...@googlegroups.com; Droid Discussion Group Subject: [DroidDoes] The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds Sent to you by Bill B via Google Reader: The FCC Wants http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/03/fcc-broadband-test/ You to Test Your Broadband Speeds via Epicenter http://www.wired.com/epicenter by Ryan Singel on 3/11/10 http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/epicenter/2010/03/broadband-testing.gif broadband-testingThe FCC is asking the nation’s broadband and smartphone users to use their broadband testing tools to help the feds and consumers know what speeds are actually available, not just promised by the nations’ telecoms. Starting Thursday, netizens can go to the FCC’s Broadband.gov site http://www.broadband.gov/ , enter their address and test their broadband speed using one of two testing tools. iPhone and Android users can go to their respective app stores and download the FCC’s first ever mobile app, which will report to the feds exactly how slow your connection actually is. The FCC is requiring the street address “it may use this data to analyze broadband quality and availability on a geographic basis.” Broadband connection testing isn’t new, and is freely available online, but this might mark the first time that individual tests help to lead to informed policy making. Crowdsourcing this data is a brilliant move, given that telecoms have long fought against telling federal regulators what areas they cover and at what speed, arguing that information will be used by competitors to poach their customers. The data can also be used as a way to prevent telecoms from over-promising and under-delivering on upload and download speeds. If you listen closely you might actually hear the telecom companies hitting the backspace key to revise the speed numbers on their promotional fliers. But the FCC isn’t forgetting about those left out of the broadband revolution and is asking those who live in a broadband “Dead Zone” by filling out a report online, calling the FCC at -888-CALL-FCC, faxing the email or even sending a letter through the Postal Service. The announcement comes just six days before the FCC presents the first ever national broadband plan to Congress. Goals include 100 million Americans with 100 Mbps service by 2010, bringing affordable broadband to rural and urban areas, and helping digital laggards get online. The FCC is collecting IP addresses, along with physical addresses, but is not asking for names or e-mail addresses. They promise not to release the street addresses, with some exceptions noted in the privacy http://www.broadband.gov/broadband-quality-test-privacy-statement.html policy. A free Java plug-in is necessary to run the test. Gentleman, start your browsers. See Also: * The http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/03/the-wired-interview-fcc-chair-julius-genachowski-on-broadband-google-and-his-iphone/ Wired Interview: FCC Chair Julius Genachowski on Broadband * Um, http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/08/um-whats-broadband-asks-the-fcc/ What’s Broadband? Asks the FCC * Broadband http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/08/broadband-is-this-generations-highway-system-fcc-director-says/ Is This Generation’s Highway System, FCC Chief Says * Cost, http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/02/fcc-broadband-report/ Crotchetiness Keep Broadband Out of 1/3 of U.S. Homes * @USA: http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/08/usa-were-writing-the-national-broadband-plan/ We’re Writing the National Broadband Plan! Things you can do from here: * Subscribe http://www.google.com/reader/view/feed%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.wired.com%2Fepicenter%2Ffeed%2F?source=email to Epicenter using Google Reader * Get started using Google http://www.google.com/reader/?source=email Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet LEDs
The link LED and all other LEDs for Ethernet Jacks/Connections are driven by the Ethernet PHY chip or the Ethernet chip itself the PHY is integrated. Link is turned on by the PHY sensing the LIT (link integrity test) in 10BaseT which I believe has become part of the auto-negotiation protocol in later standards. This is part of the Layer-1 (Physical Later) protocol in the spec. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonegotiation So to be clear it's not just a LED hooked up to one of the wire via a resister or some analog hack like that. The PHY knows that their is another PHY on the other side of the cable and if the PHY sees the other PHY it turns on the LINK light. PHYs often provide other lines to show collision, speed, and duplex and these can be tied into other individual LEDS or bi-color LEDs. If the link lights are on at both ends the connection is good. It still might be the case that a duplex mismatch or bad auto-speed negotiation could cause problems. Both of these problems show up from time to time, especially on older gear. For both cases the cure is often to fix the speed or duplex on one side and that prevents the auto-negotiation from failing. One cause of not getting a link light is that a MDI/MDI-X mismatch. Most newer chips have auto MDI/MDI-X which prevents the problem in most cases. leb At 12:52 PM -0500 3/11/10, Robert West wrote: Yeah, but which circuit? The transmit, receive or maybe the unused pairs? That got me wondering also. Anyone know what pair triggers the light??? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet LEDs Simple terms it's the completion of a circuit. --- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net On Mar 11, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Cameron Crum cc...@dot11net.com wrote: This may be a little out there, but does anyone know what causes the link light to show on an ethernet jack when the cable is plugged in? Is it as simple as just attaching an led to one of the signal wires, or is there some logic in there. Just curious. --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- l...@iridescent.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet LEDs
This is why I love this list. Lawrence, you are the Dude of the day. In my home we shall honor you this evening as we dine and argue about my uselessness. Useless yes, but now I posses knowledge that they do not and that, my friend - thanks to you - will make all the difference. My hat is off to you. If I wore one, that is... Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence E. Bakst Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet LEDs The link LED and all other LEDs for Ethernet Jacks/Connections are driven by the Ethernet PHY chip or the Ethernet chip itself the PHY is integrated. Link is turned on by the PHY sensing the LIT (link integrity test) in 10BaseT which I believe has become part of the auto-negotiation protocol in later standards. This is part of the Layer-1 (Physical Later) protocol in the spec. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonegotiation So to be clear it's not just a LED hooked up to one of the wire via a resister or some analog hack like that. The PHY knows that their is another PHY on the other side of the cable and if the PHY sees the other PHY it turns on the LINK light. PHYs often provide other lines to show collision, speed, and duplex and these can be tied into other individual LEDS or bi-color LEDs. If the link lights are on at both ends the connection is good. It still might be the case that a duplex mismatch or bad auto-speed negotiation could cause problems. Both of these problems show up from time to time, especially on older gear. For both cases the cure is often to fix the speed or duplex on one side and that prevents the auto-negotiation from failing. One cause of not getting a link light is that a MDI/MDI-X mismatch. Most newer chips have auto MDI/MDI-X which prevents the problem in most cases. leb At 12:52 PM -0500 3/11/10, Robert West wrote: Yeah, but which circuit? The transmit, receive or maybe the unused pairs? That got me wondering also. Anyone know what pair triggers the light??? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet LEDs Simple terms it's the completion of a circuit. --- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net On Mar 11, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Cameron Crum cc...@dot11net.com wrote: This may be a little out there, but does anyone know what causes the link light to show on an ethernet jack when the cable is plugged in? Is it as simple as just attaching an led to one of the signal wires, or is there some logic in there. Just curious. --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- l...@iridescent.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios
Just hooked up a Tranzeo link between two buildings using two TR-5A-24's. These models did have the DFS built into them. I set the band to 5.4ghz and there is no other channel selection available. The Tranzeo decides what channel it will be on. And you do not have the ability to set Transmit Power in the wireless configuration page anymore. This is how it works. When the AP radio boots up it starts listening on a random channel. After 60 seconds of not hearing any of the 5.4ghz radar signatures it will then start broadcasting its SSID and then the client will connect. Its kind of annoying at fisrt cause you don't know if you have the AP/Clients configured correctly until at least 60 seconds have gone by but I have gotten used to it now. Now if it detects radar in the 60 second window it will go to the next channel and start the process over again. If it goes through all the channels and they all have radar present the radio will stop searching for clean channels after 30 minutes and then start all over again. The link I set up was about 150 yards so the TR-5A-24's were overkill. But the good thing is under the DFS configuration page you do have the ability to turn your EIRP power down. The Tranzeo will not allow itself to have more EIRP than 1 watt. It knows that it has a 24db antenna and will adjust the radio accordingly. However you can force the power to be less than 1 watt EIRP by setting the Transmit Power Control to MANUAL instead of AUTOMATIC. The link between the two buildings has their Transmit Power Control set at 10dBm which automatically turns the radio output power to -14db. So -14db transmit power plus 24db antenna gain = 10dBm EIRP = 1/100th of a watt :) Even at 1/100th of a watt on this short of a link the signals are still at -55db on each side. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Stooke Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 1:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios Hello, As far as I know the Tranzeo TR-5A is not approved in the US. While the radio can do it physically it does not have DFS and has not been approved for use in the US. I hope I am wrong. Any have the FCC doc to show it is OK to use in the US? I have not searched the FCC site for them. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios I'm trying to compile a list of options for FCC certified 5.4 ptp radios for short backhaul links. Off the top of my head, I can remember: Tranzeo TR-5A Trango TrangoLINK-45 Radwin 2000 (has mimo as well) Motorola PTP 100, 200, 300, 500, 600 Any others I'm not aware of? Sure would be nice to see more mimo/N radios certified in 5.4. Anyone working through the approval process (ligowave?). -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet LEDs
That is the answer I was looking for. We have these multi-poe boards we designed and had a bunch manufactured ... just passive devices that take an input voltage and spread it across 9 ethernet ports with two of the ports switchable between the input voltage and 12V. The signal side of the ethernet ports go to mirrored ports on the other side of the board to plug into a switch/router. I was thinking that if there was an easy way to sense the connection, I could throw in an XOR chip and a few small relays to make a cheap remote power cycle per port by simply disabling the port on the switch or router on the signal side of the board. Since the switch chip is involved, it becomes a much more complex and expensive part. Cameron On 3/11/2010 2:38 PM, Lawrence E. Bakst wrote: The link LED and all other LEDs for Ethernet Jacks/Connections are driven by the Ethernet PHY chip or the Ethernet chip itself the PHY is integrated. Link is turned on by the PHY sensing the LIT (link integrity test) in 10BaseT which I believe has become part of the auto-negotiation protocol in later standards. This is part of the Layer-1 (Physical Later) protocol in the spec. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonegotiation So to be clear it's not just a LED hooked up to one of the wire via a resister or some analog hack like that. The PHY knows that their is another PHY on the other side of the cable and if the PHY sees the other PHY it turns on the LINK light. PHYs often provide other lines to show collision, speed, and duplex and these can be tied into other individual LEDS or bi-color LEDs. If the link lights are on at both ends the connection is good. It still might be the case that a duplex mismatch or bad auto-speed negotiation could cause problems. Both of these problems show up from time to time, especially on older gear. For both cases the cure is often to fix the speed or duplex on one side and that prevents the auto-negotiation from failing. One cause of not getting a link light is that a MDI/MDI-X mismatch. Most newer chips have auto MDI/MDI-X which prevents the problem in most cases. leb At 12:52 PM -0500 3/11/10, Robert West wrote: Yeah, but which circuit? The transmit, receive or maybe the unused pairs? That got me wondering also. Anyone know what pair triggers the light??? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet LEDs Simple terms it's the completion of a circuit. --- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net On Mar 11, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Cameron Crumcc...@dot11net.com wrote: This may be a little out there, but does anyone know what causes the link light to show on an ethernet jack when the cable is plugged in? Is it as simple as just attaching an led to one of the signal wires, or is there some logic in there. Just curious. --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] iPhone ssh app
I know in the last couple of weeks there was a discussion about an ssh app for the iPhone. I did not save the emails because I thought I would never need something like because I don't have an iPhone. But, I bought an iPhone last night and now I am looking for an ssh app. I have found iSSH and the reviews are good about it. I know that $7.99 for an app is a lot of money but if this is the one to have then I don't mind spending the money. This also appears to have a vnc client as well. Any input as far as SSH utilities or any other iPhone apps for WISP operations would be appreciated. LaRoy McCann Data Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app
Hmm I just goto my iPhones command line via shell and type ssh ipaddress works like a charm. John Buwa Michiana Wireless,Inc 574-233-7170 Sent from my iPhone On Mar 11, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: I know in the last couple of weeks there was a discussion about an ssh app for the iPhone. I did not save the emails because I thought I would never need something like because I don't have an iPhone. But, I bought an iPhone last night and now I am looking for an ssh app. I have found iSSH and the reviews are good about it. I know that $7.99 for an app is a lot of money but if this is the one to have then I don't mind spending the money. This also appears to have a vnc client as well. Any input as far as SSH utilities or any other iPhone apps for WISP operations would be appreciated. LaRoy McCann Data Technology --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app
I use touchterm. It does the needfull. :) ryan On Mar 11, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: I know in the last couple of weeks there was a discussion about an ssh app for the iPhone. I did not save the emails because I thought I would never need something like because I don't have an iPhone. But, I bought an iPhone last night and now I am looking for an ssh app. I have found iSSH and the reviews are good about it. I know that $7.99 for an app is a lot of money but if this is the one to have then I don't mind spending the money. This also appears to have a vnc client as well. Any input as far as SSH utilities or any other iPhone apps for WISP operations would be appreciated. LaRoy McCann Data Technology --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app
Ima gonna tell stevie jobs on you! :) ryan On Mar 11, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Sales sa...@michianawireless.com wrote: Hmm I just goto my iPhones command line via shell and type ssh ipaddress works like a charm. John Buwa Michiana Wireless,Inc 574-233-7170 Sent from my iPhone On Mar 11, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: I know in the last couple of weeks there was a discussion about an ssh app for the iPhone. I did not save the emails because I thought I would never need something like because I don't have an iPhone. But, I bought an iPhone last night and now I am looking for an ssh app. I have found iSSH and the reviews are good about it. I know that $7.99 for an app is a lot of money but if this is the one to have then I don't mind spending the money. This also appears to have a vnc client as well. Any input as far as SSH utilities or any other iPhone apps for WISP operations would be appreciated. LaRoy McCann Data Technology --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet LEDs
Good explanation by Lawerence. He touched on it, but to expand a little as it helps trouble shooting. The link light comes on when the receive side knows there is link. If you only get a light on one end of a link, you know which pair to look at, though it could be the port is bad. Also, I believe the IEEE spec would say no active or passive devices on the wire other than connectors. What you are wanting to do will mess up the capacitance and inductance of the wire and that can cause data errors. Also, on many devices, disabling the port does not drop link. Link is a physical characteristic, not a logical one. Often if the port is power, it will link regardless of the administrative state of the port. Cameron Crum wrote: That is the answer I was looking for. We have these multi-poe boards we designed and had a bunch manufactured ... just passive devices that take an input voltage and spread it across 9 ethernet ports with two of the ports switchable between the input voltage and 12V. The signal side of the ethernet ports go to mirrored ports on the other side of the board to plug into a switch/router. I was thinking that if there was an easy way to sense the connection, I could throw in an XOR chip and a few small relays to make a cheap remote power cycle per port by simply disabling the port on the switch or router on the signal side of the board. Since the switch chip is involved, it becomes a much more complex and expensive part. Cameron On 3/11/2010 2:38 PM, Lawrence E. Bakst wrote: The link LED and all other LEDs for Ethernet Jacks/Connections are driven by the Ethernet PHY chip or the Ethernet chip itself the PHY is integrated. Link is turned on by the PHY sensing the LIT (link integrity test) in 10BaseT which I believe has become part of the auto-negotiation protocol in later standards. This is part of the Layer-1 (Physical Later) protocol in the spec. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonegotiation So to be clear it's not just a LED hooked up to one of the wire via a resister or some analog hack like that. The PHY knows that their is another PHY on the other side of the cable and if the PHY sees the other PHY it turns on the LINK light. PHYs often provide other lines to show collision, speed, and duplex and these can be tied into other individual LEDS or bi-color LEDs. If the link lights are on at both ends the connection is good. It still might be the case that a duplex mismatch or bad auto-speed negotiation could cause problems. Both of these problems show up from time to time, especially on older gear. For both cases the cure is often to fix the speed or duplex on one side and that prevents the auto-negotiation from failing. One cause of not getting a link light is that a MDI/MDI-X mismatch. Most newer chips have auto MDI/MDI-X which prevents the problem in most cases. leb At 12:52 PM -0500 3/11/10, Robert West wrote: Yeah, but which circuit? The transmit, receive or maybe the unused pairs? That got me wondering also. Anyone know what pair triggers the light??? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet LEDs Simple terms it's the completion of a circuit. --- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net On Mar 11, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Cameron Crumcc...@dot11net.com wrote: This may be a little out there, but does anyone know what causes the link light to show on an ethernet jack when the cable is plugged in? Is it as simple as just attaching an led to one of the signal wires, or is there some logic in there. Just curious. --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app
I thought I would wait a couple of days before I jailbreak this thing. Sales wrote: Hmm I just goto my iPhones command line via shell and type ssh ipaddress works like a charm. John Buwa Michiana Wireless,Inc 574-233-7170 Sent from my iPhone On Mar 11, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: I know in the last couple of weeks there was a discussion about an ssh app for the iPhone. I did not save the emails because I thought I would never need something like because I don't have an iPhone. But, I bought an iPhone last night and now I am looking for an ssh app. I have found iSSH and the reviews are good about it. I know that $7.99 for an app is a lot of money but if this is the one to have then I don't mind spending the money. This also appears to have a vnc client as well. Any input as far as SSH utilities or any other iPhone apps for WISP operations would be appreciated. LaRoy McCann Data Technology --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app
I use pterm for SSH access to my Cisco routers. I purchased it some time ago and there may be better programs out there now. At 3:54 PM -0600 3/11/10, Data Technology wrote: I know in the last couple of weeks there was a discussion about an ssh app for the iPhone. I did not save the emails because I thought I would never need something like because I don't have an iPhone. But, I bought an iPhone last night and now I am looking for an ssh app. I have found iSSH and the reviews are good about it. I know that $7.99 for an app is a lot of money but if this is the one to have then I don't mind spending the money. This also appears to have a vnc client as well. Any input as far as SSH utilities or any other iPhone apps for WISP operations would be appreciated. LaRoy McCann Data Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- l...@iridescent.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app
Do yourself a favor, just jailbreak it now. You're wasting time with that phone until it's jailbroken. I can't stand the phone and even I know that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Lawrence E. Bakst m...@iridescent.org wrote: I use pterm for SSH access to my Cisco routers. I purchased it some time ago and there may be better programs out there now. At 3:54 PM -0600 3/11/10, Data Technology wrote: I know in the last couple of weeks there was a discussion about an ssh app for the iPhone. I did not save the emails because I thought I would never need something like because I don't have an iPhone. But, I bought an iPhone last night and now I am looking for an ssh app. I have found iSSH and the reviews are good about it. I know that $7.99 for an app is a lot of money but if this is the one to have then I don't mind spending the money. This also appears to have a vnc client as well. Any input as far as SSH utilities or any other iPhone apps for WISP operations would be appreciated. LaRoy McCann Data Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- l...@iridescent.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app
My routers pro but it doesn't do much. There are definitely better ones out there. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 11, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Do yourself a favor, just jailbreak it now. You're wasting time with that phone until it's jailbroken. I can't stand the phone and even I know that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Lawrence E. Bakst m...@iridescent.org wrote: I use pterm for SSH access to my Cisco routers. I purchased it some time ago and there may be better programs out there now. At 3:54 PM -0600 3/11/10, Data Technology wrote: I know in the last couple of weeks there was a discussion about an ssh app for the iPhone. I did not save the emails because I thought I would never need something like because I don't have an iPhone. But, I bought an iPhone last night and now I am looking for an ssh app. I have found iSSH and the reviews are good about it. I know that $7.99 for an app is a lot of money but if this is the one to have then I don't mind spending the money. This also appears to have a vnc client as well. Any input as far as SSH utilities or any other iPhone apps for WISP operations would be appreciated. LaRoy McCann Data Technology --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- l...@iridescent.org --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app
Lol no! John Buwa Michiana Wireless,Inc 574-233-7170 Sent from my iPhone On Mar 11, 2010, at 5:01 PM, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: Ima gonna tell stevie jobs on you! :) ryan On Mar 11, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Sales sa...@michianawireless.com wrote: Hmm I just goto my iPhones command line via shell and type ssh ipaddress works like a charm. John Buwa Michiana Wireless,Inc 574-233-7170 Sent from my iPhone On Mar 11, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: I know in the last couple of weeks there was a discussion about an ssh app for the iPhone. I did not save the emails because I thought I would never need something like because I don't have an iPhone. But, I bought an iPhone last night and now I am looking for an ssh app. I have found iSSH and the reviews are good about it. I know that $7.99 for an app is a lot of money but if this is the one to have then I don't mind spending the money. This also appears to have a vnc client as well. Any input as far as SSH utilities or any other iPhone apps for WISP operations would be appreciated. LaRoy McCann Data Technology --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app
The only benefit I have seen so far of Jailbreaking an iphone is being able to tether it. Every App I have wanted to run I can find in the store. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net CCNA CCNT Mikrotik Advanced http://j2sw.mtin.net/blog From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:14:45 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app Do yourself a favor, just jailbreak it now. You're wasting time with that phone until it's jailbroken. I can't stand the phone and even I know that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ³Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.² --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Lawrence E. Bakst m...@iridescent.org wrote: I use pterm for SSH access to my Cisco routers. I purchased it some time ago and there may be better programs out there now. At 3:54 PM -0600 3/11/10, Data Technology wrote: I know in the last couple of weeks there was a discussion about an ssh app for the iPhone. I did not save the emails because I thought I would never need something like because I don't have an iPhone. But, I bought an iPhone last night and now I am looking for an ssh app. I have found iSSH and the reviews are good about it. I know that $7.99 for an app is a lot of money but if this is the one to have then I don't mind spending the money. This also appears to have a vnc client as well. Any input as far as SSH utilities or any other iPhone apps for WISP operations would be appreciated. LaRoy McCann Data Technology -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- l...@iridescent.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app
Videos? Multitasking? Ssh server? On 3/11/10, Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net wrote: The only benefit I have seen so far of Jailbreaking an iphone is being able to tether it. Every App I have wanted to run I can find in the store. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net CCNA CCNT Mikrotik Advanced http://j2sw.mtin.net/blog From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:14:45 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app Do yourself a favor, just jailbreak it now. You're wasting time with that phone until it's jailbroken. I can't stand the phone and even I know that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ³Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.² --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Lawrence E. Bakst m...@iridescent.org wrote: I use pterm for SSH access to my Cisco routers. I purchased it some time ago and there may be better programs out there now. At 3:54 PM -0600 3/11/10, Data Technology wrote: I know in the last couple of weeks there was a discussion about an ssh app for the iPhone. I did not save the emails because I thought I would never need something like because I don't have an iPhone. But, I bought an iPhone last night and now I am looking for an ssh app. I have found iSSH and the reviews are good about it. I know that $7.99 for an app is a lot of money but if this is the one to have then I don't mind spending the money. This also appears to have a vnc client as well. Any input as far as SSH utilities or any other iPhone apps for WISP operations would be appreciated. LaRoy McCann Data Technology -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- l...@iridescent.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app
I really have no desire to run SSH server on a phone. Sounds cool, but not ran across a practical purpose for it. Have an APP that does video quite well. Multitasking might be nice. The thing you run into is you have to keep the OS at the same level until the new OS is broken. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net CCNA CCNT Mikrotik Advanced http://j2sw.mtin.net/blog From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:41:34 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app Videos? Multitasking? Ssh server? On 3/11/10, Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net wrote: The only benefit I have seen so far of Jailbreaking an iphone is being able to tether it. Every App I have wanted to run I can find in the store. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net CCNA CCNT Mikrotik Advanced http://j2sw.mtin.net/blog From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:14:45 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app Do yourself a favor, just jailbreak it now. You're wasting time with that phone until it's jailbroken. I can't stand the phone and even I know that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ³Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.² --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Lawrence E. Bakst m...@iridescent.org wrote: I use pterm for SSH access to my Cisco routers. I purchased it some time ago and there may be better programs out there now. At 3:54 PM -0600 3/11/10, Data Technology wrote: I know in the last couple of weeks there was a discussion about an ssh app for the iPhone. I did not save the emails because I thought I would never need something like because I don't have an iPhone. But, I bought an iPhone last night and now I am looking for an ssh app. I have found iSSH and the reviews are good about it. ?I know that $7.99 for an app is a lot of money but if this is the one to have then I don't mind spending the money. ?This also appears to have a vnc client as well. Any input as far as SSH utilities or any other iPhone apps for WISP operations would be appreciated. LaRoy McCann Data Technology - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- l...@iridescent.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques
Quick question, does anyone have any thoughts or experience with 3M's Temflex Rubber Splicing Tape? http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3MElectrical/Home/ProductsServices/Products/SolutionsCatalog/?PC_7_RJH9U5230GE3E02LECIE20OUP7_nid=SZ13NWVCGZbeCKZWSKS2T3gl It's really cheap ($3/22ft x .75) and obviously economy-class stuff, but I just need it for a coat of weathering, not high voltage lines. I find Scotch 2200 series Mastic to be too much trouble to remove when necessary and I want something less gooey than the Thomas Betts Duct Putty I have been using. My thought would be to do a layer of Super-88, then Temflex, then a layer of Super-33 tape on top. Just curious; thanks. -Steven On 3/2/2010 12:58, Marco Coelho wrote: We prefer: Layer Material 1 coating of liquid scotch coat 2 3M self vulcanizing tape 3 coating of liquid scotch coat 4 3M self vulcanizing tape 5 cheap electrical tape The liquid scotch coat really seals everything up. No issues with pvc, teflon, or other jacket materials. The 3M tape creates a continuous sheath (rap bottom up). The second layer ensures no leaks if the first layer was misaplied. The electrical tape is to prevent the sun from breaking down the 23 tape. I've never seen a cable done this way leak in any fashion. I cannot say this for mastic. Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. Items: http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=340-250source=googleps http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=ensafe=offclient=firefox-ahs=EWrrls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialq=scotch+23+rubber+splicing+tapeoq=um=1ie=UTF-8cid=12178016387841989432ei=9FCNS7LrGNOWtgfJ6qTwCAsa=Xoi=product_catalog_resultct=resultresnum=3ved=0CB8Q8wIwAg#ps-sellers WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios
Randy, The 5 GHz equipment approval process is currently on hold at the request of the FAA and the NTIA. Airport Terminal Doppler Weather Radars (TDWR) operate in the 5.6 GHz range and have been experiencing interference from current 5475-5725 MHz equipment. Because of this interference, a new Dynamic Frequency Selection (DFS) algorithm is being developed to allow newly-certified equipment to detect and avoid nearby TDWR radar systems. Until the new algorithm is developed and the FCC certification process re-started, there will be no new outdoor 5.4 equipment certified. To allow recertifications to restart before the new algorithm is developed and implemented, the wireless industry has been meeting with the FCC, FAA and NTIA. The FAA and NTIA agreed to allow 5 GHz outdoor equipment certifications to be restarted if the industry would provide a database that allowed an operator to a) See if their outdoor base stations are within 35 km of one of the airport TDWR sites, and b) If within 35 km, voluntarily register their equipment type and contact information in the database. Each airport TDWR site uses one frequency. Operators are requested to maintain a minimum 30-MHz center-to-center frequency separation away from the single frequency used by the neighboring TDWR. If/when TDWR interference does occurs, the voluntary database should help the FCC to contact the operator of the equipment that may be causing the interference and request a frequency change or request that the one nearby TDWR frequency be excluded from the DFS channel search list. Once the new TDWR-aware algorithm is ready for incorporation into new 5 GHz equipment, this database is expected to slowly become obsolete as the older equipment is retired. WISPA's FCC Committee is working with the industry group (Motorola, Cisco, Atheros, Intel, etc.) as well as with the FCC, FAA and NTIA to help find a solution to this TDWR-interference problem. We'll provide more information when significant developments occur. Jack Unger WISPA FCC Committee Chair 818-227-4220 Randy Cosby wrote: I'm trying to compile a list of options for FCC certified 5.4 ptp radios for short backhaul links. Off the top of my head, I can remember: Tranzeo TR-5A Trango TrangoLINK-45 Radwin 2000 (has mimo as well) Motorola PTP 100, 200, 300, 500, 600 Any others I'm not aware of? Sure would be nice to see more mimo/N radios certified in 5.4. Anyone working through the approval process (ligowave?). -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app
Joe's Network Utility. Phil 2010/3/11 Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net I really have no desire to run SSH server on a phone. Sounds cool, but not ran across a practical purpose for it. Have an APP that does video quite well. Multitasking might be nice. The thing you run into is you have to keep the OS at the same level until the new OS is broken. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net CCNA CCNT Mikrotik Advanced http://j2sw.mtin.net/blog From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:41:34 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app Videos? Multitasking? Ssh server? On 3/11/10, Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net wrote: The only benefit I have seen so far of Jailbreaking an iphone is being able to tether it. Every App I have wanted to run I can find in the store. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net CCNA CCNT Mikrotik Advanced http://j2sw.mtin.net/blog From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:14:45 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app Do yourself a favor, just jailbreak it now. You're wasting time with that phone until it's jailbroken. I can't stand the phone and even I know that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ³Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.² --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Lawrence E. Bakst m...@iridescent.org wrote: I use pterm for SSH access to my Cisco routers. I purchased it some time ago and there may be better programs out there now. At 3:54 PM -0600 3/11/10, Data Technology wrote: I know in the last couple of weeks there was a discussion about an ssh app for the iPhone. I did not save the emails because I thought I would never need something like because I don't have an iPhone. But, I bought an iPhone last night and now I am looking for an ssh app. I have found iSSH and the reviews are good about it. ?I know that $7.99 for an app is a lot of money but if this is the one to have then I don't mind spending the money. ?This also appears to have a vnc client as well. Any input as far as SSH utilities or any other iPhone apps for WISP operations would be appreciated. LaRoy McCann Data Technology - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- l...@iridescent.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app
Justin Wilson wrote: The only benefit I have seen so far of Jailbreaking an iphone is being able to tether it. Every App I have wanted to run I can find in the store. Justin I had thought that would be a great thing to have, then I could connect the laptop and have a bigger screen and kbd to browse with. But around here I don't have 3g available, so ATT is slow for the internet. I then thought that I could just use a wi-fi connection (surly I could find one of those!) but then I thought, you big dummy, if I can get a wi-fi connection on the phone to tether to the laptop then I could just connect to the wi-fi with the laptop ;) So I dont't think I really need tethering. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques
That will work. But the mastic is a PITA for a reason. It works all the time regardless the weather, temp, etc. We have tried a lot of things over the years and its the one that always keeps the water out -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Steven McGehee stev...@qx.net Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:52:57 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques Quick question, does anyone have any thoughts or experience with 3M's Temflex Rubber Splicing Tape? http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3MElectrical/Home/ProductsServices/Products/SolutionsCatalog/?PC_7_RJH9U5230GE3E02LECIE20OUP7_nid=SZ13NWVCGZbeCKZWSKS2T3gl It's really cheap ($3/22ft x .75) and obviously economy-class stuff, but I just need it for a coat of weathering, not high voltage lines. I find Scotch 2200 series Mastic to be too much trouble to remove when necessary and I want something less gooey than the Thomas Betts Duct Putty I have been using. My thought would be to do a layer of Super-88, then Temflex, then a layer of Super-33 tape on top. Just curious; thanks. -Steven On 3/2/2010 12:58, Marco Coelho wrote: We prefer: Layer Material 1 coating of liquid scotch coat 2 3M self vulcanizing tape 3 coating of liquid scotch coat 4 3M self vulcanizing tape 5 cheap electrical tape The liquid scotch coat really seals everything up. No issues with pvc, teflon, or other jacket materials. The 3M tape creates a continuous sheath (rap bottom up). The second layer ensures no leaks if the first layer was misaplied. The electrical tape is to prevent the sun from breaking down the 23 tape. I've never seen a cable done this way leak in any fashion. I cannot say this for mastic. Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. Items: http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=340-250source=googleps http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=ensafe=offclient=firefox-ahs=EWrrls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialq=scotch+23+rubber+splicing+tapeoq=um=1ie=UTF-8cid=12178016387841989432ei=9FCNS7LrGNOWtgfJ6qTwCAsa=Xoi=product_catalog_resultct=resultresnum=3ved=0CB8Q8wIwAg#ps-sellers WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FCC Enforcements
Was going through recent enforcement actions and came across these: http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-296094A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290776A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290775A1.html Make sure you are legal. You never know when a surprise can happen. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet LEDs
And Bob, for your pressing for the answer, I'll honor you by taking out the trash tonight :) On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: This is why I love this list. Lawrence, you are the Dude of the day. In my home we shall honor you this evening as we dine and argue about my uselessness. Useless yes, but now I posses knowledge that they do not and that, my friend - thanks to you - will make all the difference. My hat is off to you. If I wore one, that is... Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence E. Bakst Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet LEDs The link LED and all other LEDs for Ethernet Jacks/Connections are driven by the Ethernet PHY chip or the Ethernet chip itself the PHY is integrated. Link is turned on by the PHY sensing the LIT (link integrity test) in 10BaseT which I believe has become part of the auto-negotiation protocol in later standards. This is part of the Layer-1 (Physical Later) protocol in the spec. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonegotiation So to be clear it's not just a LED hooked up to one of the wire via a resister or some analog hack like that. The PHY knows that their is another PHY on the other side of the cable and if the PHY sees the other PHY it turns on the LINK light. PHYs often provide other lines to show collision, speed, and duplex and these can be tied into other individual LEDS or bi-color LEDs. If the link lights are on at both ends the connection is good. It still might be the case that a duplex mismatch or bad auto-speed negotiation could cause problems. Both of these problems show up from time to time, especially on older gear. For both cases the cure is often to fix the speed or duplex on one side and that prevents the auto-negotiation from failing. One cause of not getting a link light is that a MDI/MDI-X mismatch. Most newer chips have auto MDI/MDI-X which prevents the problem in most cases. leb At 12:52 PM -0500 3/11/10, Robert West wrote: Yeah, but which circuit? The transmit, receive or maybe the unused pairs? That got me wondering also. Anyone know what pair triggers the light??? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet LEDs Simple terms it's the completion of a circuit. --- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net On Mar 11, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Cameron Crum cc...@dot11net.com wrote: This may be a little out there, but does anyone know what causes the link light to show on an ethernet jack when the cable is plugged in? Is it as simple as just attaching an led to one of the signal wires, or is there some logic in there. Just curious. --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- l...@iridescent.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements
Wow! Gotta luv all the attention that Canopy stuff gets ya as an operator. LOL! -B- Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: Was going through recent enforcement actions and came across these: http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-296094A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290776A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290775A1.html Make sure you are legal. You never know when a surprise can happen. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios
Hello, I am glad I was wrong, I have been looking for a BH solution in the 5.4 gHz range at the price range of Tranzeo. How much bandwidth can you push in the 5.4 range. Can it use 20mhz cannels or 40 mhz or can you select that? Thanks -Original Message- From: Kurt Fankhauser [mailto:k...@wavelinc.com] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:52 PM To: nstooke...@wisperisp.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios Just hooked up a Tranzeo link between two buildings using two TR-5A-24's. These models did have the DFS built into them. I set the band to 5.4ghz and there is no other channel selection available. The Tranzeo decides what channel it will be on. And you do not have the ability to set Transmit Power in the wireless configuration page anymore. This is how it works. When the AP radio boots up it starts listening on a random channel. After 60 seconds of not hearing any of the 5.4ghz radar signatures it will then start broadcasting its SSID and then the client will connect. Its kind of annoying at fisrt cause you don't know if you have the AP/Clients configured correctly until at least 60 seconds have gone by but I have gotten used to it now. Now if it detects radar in the 60 second window it will go to the next channel and start the process over again. If it goes through all the channels and they all have radar present the radio will stop searching for clean channels after 30 minutes and then start all over again. The link I set up was about 150 yards so the TR-5A-24's were overkill. But the good thing is under the DFS configuration page you do have the ability to turn your EIRP power down. The Tranzeo will not allow itself to have more EIRP than 1 watt. It knows that it has a 24db antenna and will adjust the radio accordingly. However you can force the power to be less than 1 watt EIRP by setting the Transmit Power Control to MANUAL instead of AUTOMATIC. The link between the two buildings has their Transmit Power Control set at 10dBm which automatically turns the radio output power to -14db. So -14db transmit power plus 24db antenna gain = 10dBm EIRP = 1/100th of a watt :) Even at 1/100th of a watt on this short of a link the signals are still at -55db on each side. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Stooke Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 1:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios Hello, As far as I know the Tranzeo TR-5A is not approved in the US. While the radio can do it physically it does not have DFS and has not been approved for use in the US. I hope I am wrong. Any have the FCC doc to show it is OK to use in the US? I have not searched the FCC site for them. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios I'm trying to compile a list of options for FCC certified 5.4 ptp radios for short backhaul links. Off the top of my head, I can remember: Tranzeo TR-5A Trango TrangoLINK-45 Radwin 2000 (has mimo as well) Motorola PTP 100, 200, 300, 500, 600 Any others I'm not aware of? Sure would be nice to see more mimo/N radios certified in 5.4. Anyone working through the approval process (ligowave?). -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios
I can say that Redline's AN80i 5.4Ghz units setup as a Bridge can use a 40Mhz channel with a theoretical speed of 108Mbps. Sector Controllers/APs utilize 20Mhz channels for up to 54Mbps. Hope that helps. Nathan Stooke wrote: Hello, I am glad I was wrong, I have been looking for a BH solution in the 5.4 gHz range at the price range of Tranzeo. How much bandwidth can you push in the 5.4 range. Can it use 20mhz cannels or 40 mhz or can you select that? Thanks -Original Message- From: Kurt Fankhauser [mailto:k...@wavelinc.com] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:52 PM To: nstooke...@wisperisp.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios Just hooked up a Tranzeo link between two buildings using two TR-5A-24's. These models did have the DFS built into them. I set the band to 5.4ghz and there is no other channel selection available. The Tranzeo decides what channel it will be on. And you do not have the ability to set Transmit Power in the wireless configuration page anymore. This is how it works. When the AP radio boots up it starts listening on a random channel. After 60 seconds of not hearing any of the 5.4ghz radar signatures it will then start broadcasting its SSID and then the client will connect. Its kind of annoying at fisrt cause you don't know if you have the AP/Clients configured correctly until at least 60 seconds have gone by but I have gotten used to it now. Now if it detects radar in the 60 second window it will go to the next channel and start the process over again. If it goes through all the channels and they all have radar present the radio will stop searching for clean channels after 30 minutes and then start all over again. The link I set up was about 150 yards so the TR-5A-24's were overkill. But the good thing is under the DFS configuration page you do have the ability to turn your EIRP power down. The Tranzeo will not allow itself to have more EIRP than 1 watt. It knows that it has a 24db antenna and will adjust the radio accordingly. However you can force the power to be less than 1 watt EIRP by setting the Transmit Power Control to MANUAL instead of AUTOMATIC. The link between the two buildings has their Transmit Power Control set at 10dBm which automatically turns the radio output power to -14db. So -14db transmit power plus 24db antenna gain = 10dBm EIRP = 1/100th of a watt :) Even at 1/100th of a watt on this short of a link the signals are still at -55db on each side. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Stooke Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 1:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios Hello, As far as I know the Tranzeo TR-5A is not approved in the US. While the radio can do it physically it does not have DFS and has not been approved for use in the US. I hope I am wrong. Any have the FCC doc to show it is OK to use in the US? I have not searched the FCC site for them. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios I'm trying to compile a list of options for FCC certified 5.4 ptp radios for short backhaul links. Off the top of my head, I can remember: Tranzeo TR-5A Trango TrangoLINK-45 Radwin 2000 (has mimo as well) Motorola PTP 100, 200, 300, 500, 600 Any others I'm not aware of? Sure would be nice to see more mimo/N radios certified in 5.4. Anyone working through the approval process (ligowave?). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Indoor IP Video Camera Recommendation (way off topic)
I usually use IQEye Outdoor Sentry cameras... they are awesome and expensive network cameras. I need some less expensive indoor ip cameras for a project. I prefer: dome / minidome day / night POE powered fixed ok, ptz not required color good low light performance 640x480 ok but I prefer higher res cameras Any ones you can recommend from experience would be appreciated. If you have not used it please don't recommend it. Thanks Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor IP Video Camera Recommendation (way off topic)
On 11 March 2010 23:08, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I usually use IQEye Outdoor Sentry cameras... they are awesome and expensive network cameras. I need some less expensive indoor ip cameras for a project. I prefer: dome / minidome day / night POE powered fixed ok, ptz not required color good low light performance 640x480 ok but I prefer higher res cameras Not sure what you consider expensive, but the Axis products are excellent. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios
In the Tranzeo 5.4ghz band there was no TURBO mode option available. So I guess only 20mhz channels. I was able to get 29mbps UDP on the Tranzeo and about 20mbps TCP. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Stooke Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 9:04 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios Hello, I am glad I was wrong, I have been looking for a BH solution in the 5.4 gHz range at the price range of Tranzeo. How much bandwidth can you push in the 5.4 range. Can it use 20mhz cannels or 40 mhz or can you select that? Thanks -Original Message- From: Kurt Fankhauser [mailto:k...@wavelinc.com] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:52 PM To: nstooke...@wisperisp.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios Just hooked up a Tranzeo link between two buildings using two TR-5A-24's. These models did have the DFS built into them. I set the band to 5.4ghz and there is no other channel selection available. The Tranzeo decides what channel it will be on. And you do not have the ability to set Transmit Power in the wireless configuration page anymore. This is how it works. When the AP radio boots up it starts listening on a random channel. After 60 seconds of not hearing any of the 5.4ghz radar signatures it will then start broadcasting its SSID and then the client will connect. Its kind of annoying at fisrt cause you don't know if you have the AP/Clients configured correctly until at least 60 seconds have gone by but I have gotten used to it now. Now if it detects radar in the 60 second window it will go to the next channel and start the process over again. If it goes through all the channels and they all have radar present the radio will stop searching for clean channels after 30 minutes and then start all over again. The link I set up was about 150 yards so the TR-5A-24's were overkill. But the good thing is under the DFS configuration page you do have the ability to turn your EIRP power down. The Tranzeo will not allow itself to have more EIRP than 1 watt. It knows that it has a 24db antenna and will adjust the radio accordingly. However you can force the power to be less than 1 watt EIRP by setting the Transmit Power Control to MANUAL instead of AUTOMATIC. The link between the two buildings has their Transmit Power Control set at 10dBm which automatically turns the radio output power to -14db. So -14db transmit power plus 24db antenna gain = 10dBm EIRP = 1/100th of a watt :) Even at 1/100th of a watt on this short of a link the signals are still at -55db on each side. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Stooke Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 1:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios Hello, As far as I know the Tranzeo TR-5A is not approved in the US. While the radio can do it physically it does not have DFS and has not been approved for use in the US. I hope I am wrong. Any have the FCC doc to show it is OK to use in the US? I have not searched the FCC site for them. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios I'm trying to compile a list of options for FCC certified 5.4 ptp radios for short backhaul links. Off the top of my head, I can remember: Tranzeo TR-5A Trango TrangoLINK-45 Radwin 2000 (has mimo as well) Motorola PTP 100, 200, 300, 500, 600 Any others I'm not aware of? Sure would be nice to see more mimo/N radios certified in 5.4. Anyone working through the approval process (ligowave?). -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] State Education Networks?
The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational Network and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last miles services to the schools? Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, however, now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the opportunity to even bid on the service. Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told we are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, the State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The difference in cost per year is in the millions. Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states to provide a quality and cost effective network. So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide educational network? Thanks, Kevin First Step Internet, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
In WA state the K-20 is strictly telco. (Verizon Qwest). The WA-K-20 is pretty much a gold standard as far as educational networks goes. ryan On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Kevin Owen ko...@fsr.com wrote: The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational Network and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last miles services to the schools? Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, however, now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the opportunity to even bid on the service. Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told we are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, the State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The difference in cost per year is in the millions. Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states to provide a quality and cost effective network. So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide educational network? Thanks, Kevin First Step Internet, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
Kevin, It sounds like the large corporate political fix may already be in but in politics nothing is ever final. I'd suggest getting together with some other local and regional ISPs and using publicity (responsibly) to hold the State's feet to the fire. You can use the financial bottom line to get the public's attention. Good luck, jack Kevin Owen wrote: The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational Network and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last miles services to the schools? Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, however, now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the opportunity to even bid on the service. Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told we are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, the State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The difference in cost per year is in the millions. Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states to provide a quality and cost effective network. So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide educational network? Thanks, Kevin First Step Internet, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com If you are not a WISPA Member - What are you waiting for? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] cameras
Don't know what low means to you, but I recommend Axis 3344 This is low priced compared to some. Very good resolution, H.264, HD (720p) Fixed position, but the zoom and focus are controllable remotely. Really a pretty cool feature. I have used and do use plenty of them! Ralph WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor IP Video Camera Recommendation (way off topic)
Mobotix FTW. ryan On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 March 2010 23:08, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I usually use IQEye Outdoor Sentry cameras... they are awesome and expensive network cameras. I need some less expensive indoor ip cameras for a project. I prefer: dome / minidome day / night POE powered fixed ok, ptz not required color good low light performance 640x480 ok but I prefer higher res cameras Not sure what you consider expensive, but the Axis products are excellent. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
Kevin - same network/bid conflict? http://www.newwest.net/city/article/syringa_sues_over_idaho_education_network_contract/C108/L108/ Syringa Sues Over Idaho Education Network Contract *Company awarded part of the IEN contract says its bid was better in the first place, and it's being shut out of the project. * On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Kevin, It sounds like the large corporate political fix may already be in but in politics nothing is ever final. I'd suggest getting together with some other local and regional ISPs and using publicity (responsibly) to hold the State's feet to the fire. You can use the financial bottom line to get the public's attention. Good luck, jack Kevin Owen wrote: The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational Network and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last miles services to the schools? Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, however, now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the opportunity to even bid on the service. Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told we are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, the State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The difference in cost per year is in the millions. Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states to provide a quality and cost effective network. So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide educational network? Thanks, Kevin First Step Internet, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com If you are not a WISPA Member - What are you waiting for? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor IP Video Camera Recommendation (way off topic)
Specifically the Mobotix Q24: http://www.radiussecurityinc.com/Videos/Review-Mobotix-Q24-Hemispherica.html Tom S. - Original Message - From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor IP Video Camera Recommendation (way off topic) Mobotix FTW. ryan On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 March 2010 23:08, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I usually use IQEye Outdoor Sentry cameras... they are awesome and expensive network cameras. I need some less expensive indoor ip cameras for a project. I prefer: dome / minidome day / night POE powered fixed ok, ptz not required color good low light performance 640x480 ok but I prefer higher res cameras Not sure what you consider expensive, but the Axis products are excellent. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2675 - Release Date: 02/08/10 07:35:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques
We use it as a first layer stretching it three times across the connector. It helps to remove potential air pockets and makes the second tape wrap easier to accomplish. For subscriber installs we cover the Temflex with Super 33. For arial connections we add Super 33, then mastic and another layer of super 33. I've used just Temflex because I didn't have any electrical tape. It seems to have worked well by itself. David Hulsebus Portative Technologies www.portative.com Steven McGehee wrote: Quick question, does anyone have any thoughts or experience with 3M's Temflex Rubber Splicing Tape? http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3MElectrical/Home/ProductsServices/Products/SolutionsCatalog/?PC_7_RJH9U5230GE3E02LECIE20OUP7_nid=SZ13NWVCGZbeCKZWSKS2T3gl It's really cheap ($3/22ft x .75) and obviously economy-class stuff, but I just need it for a coat of weathering, not high voltage lines. I find Scotch 2200 series Mastic to be too much trouble to remove when necessary and I want something less gooey than the Thomas Betts Duct Putty I have been using. My thought would be to do a layer of Super-88, then Temflex, then a layer of Super-33 tape on top. Just curious; thanks. -Steven On 3/2/2010 12:58, Marco Coelho wrote: We prefer: Layer Material 1 coating of liquid scotch coat 2 3M self vulcanizing tape 3 coating of liquid scotch coat 4 3M self vulcanizing tape 5 cheap electrical tape The liquid scotch coat really seals everything up. No issues with pvc, teflon, or other jacket materials. The 3M tape creates a continuous sheath (rap bottom up). The second layer ensures no leaks if the first layer was misaplied. The electrical tape is to prevent the sun from breaking down the 23 tape. I've never seen a cable done this way leak in any fashion. I cannot say this for mastic. Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. Items: http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=340-250source=googleps http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=ensafe=offclient=firefox-ahs=EWrrls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialq=scotch+23+rubber+splicing+tapeoq=um=1ie=UTF-8cid=12178016387841989432ei=9FCNS7LrGNOWtgfJ6qTwCAsa=Xoi=product_catalog_resultct=resultresnum=3ved=0CB8Q8wIwAg#ps-sellers WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor IP Video Camera Recommendation (way off topic)
I have looked @ these guys - recently in fact ... just was not sure how reliable they are... Sure love the sound of the technology... the H.264 stuff requires a ton of processing power... this seems to get around a ton of that :-) On Mar 11, 2010, at 11:56 PM, Tom Sharples wrote: Specifically the Mobotix Q24: http://www.radiussecurityinc.com/Videos/Review-Mobotix-Q24-Hemispherica.html Tom S. - Original Message - From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor IP Video Camera Recommendation (way off topic) Mobotix FTW. ryan On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 March 2010 23:08, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I usually use IQEye Outdoor Sentry cameras... they are awesome and expensive network cameras. I need some less expensive indoor ip cameras for a project. I prefer: dome / minidome day / night POE powered fixed ok, ptz not required color good low light performance 640x480 ok but I prefer higher res cameras Not sure what you consider expensive, but the Axis products are excellent. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2675 - Release Date: 02/08/10 07:35:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet LEDs
Are you going to sell these? I have been looking for something like this to do repeater sites with. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Cameron Crum cc...@dot11net.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:53:17 -0600 That is the answer I was looking for. We have these multi-poe boards we designed and had a bunch manufactured ... just passive devices that take an input voltage and spread it across 9 ethernet ports with two of the ports switchable between the input voltage and 12V. The signal side of the ethernet ports go to mirrored ports on the other side of the board to plug into a switch/router. I was thinking that if there was an easy way to sense the connection, I could throw in an XOR chip and a few small relays to make a cheap remote power cycle per port by simply disabling the port on the switch or router on the signal side of the board. Since the switch chip is involved, it becomes a much more complex and expensive part. Cameron On 3/11/2010 2:38 PM, Lawrence E. Bakst wrote: The link LED and all other LEDs for Ethernet Jacks/Connections are driven by the Ethernet PHY chip or the Ethernet chip itself the PHY is integrated. Link is turned on by the PHY sensing the LIT (link integrity test) in 10BaseT which I believe has become part of the auto-negotiation protocol in later standards. This is part of the Layer-1 (Physical Later) protocol in the spec. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonegotiation So to be clear it's not just a LED hooked up to one of the wire via a resister or some analog hack like that. The PHY knows that their is another PHY on the other side of the cable and if the PHY sees the other PHY it turns on the LINK light. PHYs often provide other lines to show collision, speed, and duplex and these can be tied into other individual LEDS or bi-color LEDs. If the link lights are on at both ends the connection is good. It still might be the case that a duplex mismatch or bad auto-speed negotiation could cause problems. Both of these problems show up from time to time, especially on older gear. For both cases the cure is often to fix the speed or duplex on one side and that prevents the auto-negotiation from failing. One cause of not getting a link light is that a MDI/MDI-X mismatch. Most newer chips have auto MDI/MDI-X which prevents the problem in most cases. leb At 12:52 PM -0500 3/11/10, Robert West wrote: Yeah, but which circuit? The transmit, receive or maybe the unused pairs? That got me wondering also. Anyone know what pair triggers the light??? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet LEDs Simple terms it's the completion of a circuit. --- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net On Mar 11, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Cameron Crumcc...@dot11net.com wrote: This may be a little out there, but does anyone know what causes the link light to show on an ethernet jack when the cable is plugged in? Is it as simple as just attaching an led to one of the signal wires, or is there some logic in there. Just curious. --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
Not so in Illinois, which proclaims itself to be, the largest and most successful state network of its kind in the nation. They have a form to apply with and I am in the process now. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Kevin Owen ko...@fsr.com Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:17 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] State Education Networks? The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational Network and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last miles services to the schools? Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, however, now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the opportunity to even bid on the service. Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told we are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, the State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The difference in cost per year is in the millions. Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states to provide a quality and cost effective network. So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide educational network? Thanks, Kevin First Step Internet, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
In California, the educational institutions formed an organization called The Corporation for Education Network Initiatives in California (CENIC) http://www.cenic.org/. CENIC designed, built and operates a fiber network that connects to public and private K-20 institutions. They claim that the cost to connect to their network is 50% of comparable commercial networks. Tim -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Owen Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] State Education Networks? The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational Network and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last miles services to the schools? Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, however, now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the opportunity to even bid on the service. Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told we are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, the State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The difference in cost per year is in the millions. Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states to provide a quality and cost effective network. So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide educational network? Thanks, Kevin First Step Internet, LLC --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
Yes, we provided service to some WA schools many years ago when K-20 was formed. We still do some redundant service for schools. The difference is way back when K-20 came along, local ISP's really didn't have much of an ability to compete. Wireless was new and slow. It was hard to even compete with T-1's. That isn't the case now. We can provide more bandwidth, cheaper than the ILEC's can. It really just seems to be political. I am looking for a way to show the Legislators that other states have figured a way to work with the local providers. I heard the WA K-20 network was beginning to struggle. The Telcos haven't kept up with the bandwidth demand and again, local ISP's are able to deliver more bandwidth, cheaper. Are you seeing this in your market? By the way, where are you providing service? thanks for the reply. Kevin -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks? In WA state the K-20 is strictly telco. (Verizon Qwest). The WA-K-20 is pretty much a gold standard as far as educational networks goes. ryan On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Kevin Owen ko...@fsr.com wrote: The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational Network and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last miles services to the schools? Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, however, now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the opportunity to even bid on the service. Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told we are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, the State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The difference in cost per year is in the millions. Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states to provide a quality and cost effective network. So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide educational network? Thanks, Kevin First Step Internet, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
Hi Jack, Oh ya, the fix is in to be sure. I watered down the information to try and be brief and to the point. We have been fighting for a while and the standard seems to be constantly shifting. We, myself and other local ISP's, were just at the State Capitol yesterday in front of the Legislators and Administration to have a discussion. Today it was announced they were going to hold off on a decision to continue moving the budget forward until they can gather a bit more information. If you are interested, here is the newest of a growing number of articles about the situation. http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/03/11/1114092/idaho-agency-budget-delayed-amid.html Kevin -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks? Kevin, It sounds like the large corporate political fix may already be in but in politics nothing is ever final. I'd suggest getting together with some other local and regional ISPs and using publicity (responsibly) to hold the State's feet to the fire. You can use the financial bottom line to get the public's attention. Good luck, jack Kevin Owen wrote: The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational Network and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last miles services to the schools? Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, however, now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the opportunity to even bid on the service. Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told we are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, the State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The difference in cost per year is in the millions. Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states to provide a quality and cost effective network. So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide educational network? Thanks, Kevin First Step Internet, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com If you are not a WISPA Member - What are you waiting for? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
Yes, that is the one. Syringa has a beef with the contract in general, mine is more about the last mile portion. I am very supportive of Syringa's position as well. They have long said they would work with the local providers to help put the network together. It is going to be very interesting to see what comes in the next week or so. If we could show the Legislators other States that have worked with local providers it would be very helpful. I guess either that, or other States where they didn't and the project did not deliver on its promises. Kevin -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of AJ Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks? Kevin - same network/bid conflict? http://www.newwest.net/city/article/syringa_sues_over_idaho_education_network_contract/C108/L108/ Syringa Sues Over Idaho Education Network Contract *Company awarded part of the IEN contract says its bid was better in the first place, and it's being shut out of the project. * On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Kevin, It sounds like the large corporate political fix may already be in but in politics nothing is ever final. I'd suggest getting together with some other local and regional ISPs and using publicity (responsibly) to hold the State's feet to the fire. You can use the financial bottom line to get the public's attention. Good luck, jack Kevin Owen wrote: The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational Network and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last miles services to the schools? Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, however, now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the opportunity to even bid on the service. Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told we are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, the State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The difference in cost per year is in the millions. Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states to provide a quality and cost effective network. So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide educational network? Thanks, Kevin First Step Internet, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com If you are not a WISPA Member - What are you waiting for? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
