Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
Actually the mouse in the thing must be mighty mouse. Those Conner drives did run along time. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:48 AM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Runs on coal powered steam -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives 1889. That's a damn good hard drive. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 00:58:59 -0400 I still have a Conner 30meg drive that still works. From 1889. What use it has, I just dunno. - Original Message - From: Steven Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Quantum bigfoot sheesh. I actually had one come in here less than a year ago. Couldn't hardly stand the sound of the whine when the pc was turned on. Walked in and told my tech that I'd bet him lunch that had a Quantum Bigfoot in it by the sound. I got a free lunch. At least you didn't say the old Seagate ST-225RLL 20 Meg Those things worked well for a long time as long as you could get to the motor and spin it with your knife to get it started. The pictures of I attached are of a drive that still spins. I sold it in 1992 as a super server. Novell 3.12 2 meg dip ram on 2 ram boards, the attached pictures hard drive 376 Meg Total price $6859.00 Those were the days. Steve -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives The best and most reliable hard drives I ever had were Quantum Bigfoot and Quantum fireball drives. But that was when I lived in a parallel universe. I was also rich, very good looking and my children were respectful and well behaved. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Running a large Data Center I can say yes ... Every component is subject to failure. I have seen CPU's die - I have seen boards - Ram and the like as well. Funny - never had crucial ram doa or die ... in thousands of machines... Samsung ram - feels like its all doa On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone had a CPU go bad? I've never once seen this. I've never had RAM go bad either, though I have had some bad sticks DOA. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 937-552-2340 end_of_the_skype_highlighting Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: We can easily hold others accountable if we use the retail components rather than the OEM. 3 years on the Intel processor, 3 on the motherboard, 5 years on the hard drive, etc. If a part fails, we swap it out and rma the bad one. But that very rarely happens anyhow. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Hooper Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Being a system builder does seem like it would be pretty tough these. Most of the shops around here have shifted from doing system builds to becoming Value-Added Resellers. Even with servers it seems best to go with a name brand, what with HP's 3 year warranties and all. And, let's face it, it's nice being able to hold someone else accountable. Regards, Charles Mike Hammett wrote: How can you be a system builder anymore? I use only top quality parts because there's not enough margin on the low quality ones to justify the support... but then Dell's $400 desktop will work just fine for many people for 5 years. The only market I've found for system builders are servers, gaming machines, and other custom one-off applications. I can't get the hardware for a decent system for less
Re: [WISPA] Solar
Two 75w panels would be about right for just the MT411. And you'd need a bigger charge controller. 150w/12v= 10A. On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 03:57:01PM +, Akinlolu Ajayi-Obe wrote: I have a repeater with one microtik 411, two motorolla canopy and one 1amp 12v switch. I want to run it strictly on solar. I'm wondering if a 75watts solar panel with a 10amp charge controller will do. Thanks Akin Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bizarre *Cold* front coming from the west
Antenna icing mostly happens when things are real close to freezing. Like a wet cloud depositing moisture on cold antennas. When things are well below freezing, like most mountain the northeast for the whole winter, there is not much icing. We do get a little at the beginning and ending of the winter. On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 05:16:20PM -0400, Jerry Richardson wrote: Heads up to the East. Just had a NNW facing AP ice up on Mt Diablo - can't believe it.. There was enough ice buildup to drop over half the subs so it had to pile on quickly. Temperature is rising and the customers are coming back but that's some bizarre stuff for this area. [cid:image001.gif@01CAE15C.ED6524B0] Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 x2 Websitehttp://www.aircloud.com/ Bloghttp://weblog.aircloud.com/ Twitterhttp://www.twitter.com/aircloudbband LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/pub/jerry-richardson/6/372/354 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?)
On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 13:27 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: I will like to know what the part costs from Imagestream as Newegg charges $45. That is not the same card that IS sells, by the way. Just because you can purchase an Intel Ethernet card at $45, doesn't mean it is the same card with the same performance specs as the $200 card, which is also an Intel Ethernet card. :-) -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?)
When I purchased the card from IS several years ago, it was a plain ol' Intel Desktop card. I matched the EXACT model number and purchased an additional card for a spare. At the time, they were EXACTLY the same cards (unless you think IS is making chip or firmware changes on the card itself?) Travis Microserv Butch Evans wrote: On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 13:27 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: I will like to know what the part costs from Imagestream as Newegg charges $45. That is not the same card that IS sells, by the way. Just because you can purchase an Intel Ethernet card at $45, doesn't mean it is the same card with the same performance specs as the $200 card, which is also an Intel Ethernet card. :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Slow speed
Ah, the old shoot, shovel and shut up method Robert West wrote: We just shoot the customer and cover up the evidence. Oh, wait.. that was just a dream I had. Nevermind. Sorry. Bob- - Original Message - From: "Mike" m...@aweiowa.com To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slow speed Ryan: Presently we don't meter, but we do limit connections to 20 per IP at any one time. Stops torrents running amuck. Also, I tell my customers we have engineered our network for bursty traffic. We want their web pages, XBox and email to load really fast, and they do; typically at 3 Mbps. We tell them long duration connections are subject to throttling if the network gets congested. They ask what that is and I reply audio and video downloads. Most understand and appreciate that it is optimized for their behavior. Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Ghering Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slow speed We recently visited a customer whom complained about slow speeds, speed test to our local server showed a whooping 98k down and 70k up. This customer is on a 1 meg down 512k up plan. The customer insisted that they were doing nothing on the link. After about 2 hours of diagnostics we find out the customers kid had a wireless laptop under his bed downloading hundreds of torrents via udp connections. The customer complained that we charged them a truck roll fee for this. We informed them that it could have cost them alot more if we charged per gig downloaded. From the 1st of the month till the 15th this customer downloaded 92gigs of data. We are currently looking into metering consumer connections now. This is about the 20 or 30th call like this or similar this year alone. We now also know to look for udp and upnp instead of just tcp connections. Ryan On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: I love to go out and work for an hour troubleshooting a customer complaint about slow speed only to find out that their dell poweredge switch is bad. Funny thing is that it was letting a little traffic come throughsay 300k or so. Sent from my iPhone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ryan Ghering Network Operations - Plains.Net Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Solar
I'd use the panel's own max working current rating for calculating the needed charge controller capacity. Greg On Apr 22, 2010, at 9:39 AM, jp wrote: Two 75w panels would be about right for just the MT411. And you'd need a bigger charge controller. 150w/12v= 10A. On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 03:57:01PM +, Akinlolu Ajayi-Obe wrote: I have a repeater with one microtik 411, two motorolla canopy and one 1amp 12v switch. I want to run it strictly on solar. I'm wondering if a 75watts solar panel with a 10amp charge controller will do. Thanks Akin Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP
We use NetSapiens. I REALLY like them. And, so far, they are the only company that will wholesale me a line at a time. I can treat my VoIP system exactly like a vonage system. I buy a line at a time. Someday, when/if, I get enough lines out there we can then move them all to our own switch/servers and really save some money on voice services. For now though, I don't need the servers or the expertise. All I have to know how to do is program the main server into the ATA devices and hook up the cords. Very cool. marlon - Original Message - From: Kevin Sullivan kevin.sulli...@alyrica.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 8:33 AM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP We'd like to start offering VoIP to our wireless customers, and we've taken a look at a couple of packaged soultions like NetSapiens. What is everyone else using? We'd like to start at a lower $$ than the $17,000 that we've been hearing from the packaged deals. Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Spoken like a man with no kids or in denial about what hellions he's got! lol Kids, especially teenagers, naturally trend toward pushing the limits. All kinds of limits. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Trust your kids and they will trust you back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coopwrote: I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a workshop I was at recently. How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept all those sorts of things. -Paul On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP
Vox will also wholesale you the same way. Not very happy with the t38 fax performance though. Between two providers we are sitting at 350 business lines. Question is when does it make sense to do it yourself. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 22, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: We use NetSapiens. I REALLY like them. And, so far, they are the only company that will wholesale me a line at a time. I can treat my VoIP system exactly like a vonage system. I buy a line at a time. Someday, when/if, I get enough lines out there we can then move them all to our own switch/servers and really save some money on voice services. For now though, I don't need the servers or the expertise. All I have to know how to do is program the main server into the ATA devices and hook up the cords. Very cool. marlon - Original Message - From: Kevin Sullivan kevin.sulli...@alyrica.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 8:33 AM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP We'd like to start offering VoIP to our wireless customers, and we've taken a look at a couple of packaged soultions like NetSapiens. What is everyone else using? We'd like to start at a lower $$ than the $17,000 that we've been hearing from the packaged deals. Kevin --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Didn't you guys know that raising kids is a blood sport? You give murders the benefit of the doubt, not your kids. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-831-8881 www.dslbyair.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Spoken like a man with no kids or in denial about what hellions he's got! lol Kids, especially teenagers, naturally trend toward pushing the limits. All kinds of limits. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Trust your kids and they will trust you back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coopwrote: I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a workshop I was at recently. How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept all those sorts of things. -Paul On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP
I can do that too. One line at a time. On 4/22/10, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: We use NetSapiens. I REALLY like them. And, so far, they are the only company that will wholesale me a line at a time. I can treat my VoIP system exactly like a vonage system. I buy a line at a time. Someday, when/if, I get enough lines out there we can then move them all to our own switch/servers and really save some money on voice services. For now though, I don't need the servers or the expertise. All I have to know how to do is program the main server into the ATA devices and hook up the cords. Very cool. marlon - Original Message - From: Kevin Sullivan kevin.sulli...@alyrica.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 8:33 AM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP We'd like to start offering VoIP to our wireless customers, and we've taken a look at a couple of packaged soultions like NetSapiens. What is everyone else using? We'd like to start at a lower $$ than the $17,000 that we've been hearing from the packaged deals. Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Slow speed
I learned it when I lived in Buffalo, NY. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 12:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slow speed Ah, the old shoot, shovel and shut up method Robert West wrote: We just shoot the customer and cover up the evidence. Oh, wait.. that was just a dream I had. Nevermind. Sorry. Bob- - Original Message - From: Mike mailto:m...@aweiowa.com m...@aweiowa.com To: 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slow speed Ryan: Presently we don't meter, but we do limit connections to 20 per IP at any one time. Stops torrents running amuck. Also, I tell my customers we have engineered our network for bursty traffic. We want their web pages, XBox and email to load really fast, and they do; typically at 3 Mbps. We tell them long duration connections are subject to throttling if the network gets congested. They ask what that is and I reply audio and video downloads. Most understand and appreciate that it is optimized for their behavior. Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Ghering Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slow speed We recently visited a customer whom complained about slow speeds, speed test to our local server showed a whooping 98k down and 70k up. This customer is on a 1 meg down 512k up plan. The customer insisted that they were doing nothing on the link. After about 2 hours of diagnostics we find out the customers kid had a wireless laptop under his bed downloading hundreds of torrents via udp connections. The customer complained that we charged them a truck roll fee for this. We informed them that it could have cost them alot more if we charged per gig downloaded. From the 1st of the month till the 15th this customer downloaded 92gigs of data. We are currently looking into metering consumer connections now. This is about the 20 or 30th call like this or similar this year alone. We now also know to look for udp and upnp instead of just tcp connections. Ryan On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Jeremie Chism mailto:jchi...@gmail.com jchi...@gmail.com wrote: I love to go out and work for an hour troubleshooting a customer complaint about slow speed only to find out that their dell poweredge switch is bad. Funny thing is that it was letting a little traffic come throughsay 300k or so. Sent from my iPhone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ryan Ghering Network Operations - Plains.Net Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
It's from an ABC afterschool special. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 12:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Spoken like a man with no kids or in denial about what hellions he's got! lol Kids, especially teenagers, naturally trend toward pushing the limits. All kinds of limits. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Trust your kids and they will trust you back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coopwrote: I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a workshop I was at recently. How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept all those sorts of things. -Paul On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Customers routers backwards?
This is exactly why we do NOT run DHCP on our network :-). Been there done that. marlon - Original Message - From: Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] Customers routers backwards? We've had this happen a efw times and its very time consuming to find and stop. I.e the customer plays with cables and ens up sending DHCP into the network anyone know of a way with mikrotik routers to stop this, we use mikrotik for our core router and tower side bridges, I'd love to put a firewall setup on them to stop this. and track down. Thanks -- Ryan Ghering Network Operations - Plains.Net Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Slow speed
I lived in Rochester, NY back in the day. Small world :) On 4/22/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I learned it when I lived in Buffalo, NY. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 12:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slow speed Ah, the old shoot, shovel and shut up method Robert West wrote: We just shoot the customer and cover up the evidence. Oh, wait.. that was just a dream I had. Nevermind. Sorry. Bob- - Original Message - From: Mike mailto:m...@aweiowa.com m...@aweiowa.com To: 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slow speed Ryan: Presently we don't meter, but we do limit connections to 20 per IP at any one time. Stops torrents running amuck. Also, I tell my customers we have engineered our network for bursty traffic. We want their web pages, XBox and email to load really fast, and they do; typically at 3 Mbps. We tell them long duration connections are subject to throttling if the network gets congested. They ask what that is and I reply audio and video downloads. Most understand and appreciate that it is optimized for their behavior. Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Ghering Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slow speed We recently visited a customer whom complained about slow speeds, speed test to our local server showed a whooping 98k down and 70k up. This customer is on a 1 meg down 512k up plan. The customer insisted that they were doing nothing on the link. After about 2 hours of diagnostics we find out the customers kid had a wireless laptop under his bed downloading hundreds of torrents via udp connections. The customer complained that we charged them a truck roll fee for this. We informed them that it could have cost them alot more if we charged per gig downloaded. From the 1st of the month till the 15th this customer downloaded 92gigs of data. We are currently looking into metering consumer connections now. This is about the 20 or 30th call like this or similar this year alone. We now also know to look for udp and upnp instead of just tcp connections. Ryan On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Jeremie Chism mailto:jchi...@gmail.com jchi...@gmail.com wrote: I love to go out and work for an hour troubleshooting a customer complaint about slow speed only to find out that their dell poweredge switch is bad. Funny thing is that it was letting a little traffic come throughsay 300k or so. Sent from my iPhone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ryan Ghering Network Operations - Plains.Net Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343
Re: [WISPA] Customers routers backwards?
Ah so PPPoE is not so bad after all. Regards Michael Baird This is exactly why we do NOT run DHCP on our network :-). Been there done that. marlon - Original Message - From: Ryan Gheringrgher...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] Customers routers backwards? We've had this happen a efw times and its very time consuming to find and stop. I.e the customer plays with cables and ens up sending DHCP into the network anyone know of a way with mikrotik routers to stop this, we use mikrotik for our core router and tower side bridges, I'd love to put a firewall setup on them to stop this. and track down. Thanks -- Ryan Ghering Network Operations - Plains.Net Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Customers routers backwards?
PPPOE is probably the best network wise. Probably not support wise, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Ah so PPPoE is not so bad after all. Regards Michael Baird This is exactly why we do NOT run DHCP on our network :-). Been there done that. marlon - Original Message - From: Ryan Gheringrgher...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] Customers routers backwards? We've had this happen a efw times and its very time consuming to find and stop. I.e the customer plays with cables and ens up sending DHCP into the network anyone know of a way with mikrotik routers to stop this, we use mikrotik for our core router and tower side bridges, I'd love to put a firewall setup on them to stop this. and track down. Thanks -- Ryan Ghering Network Operations - Plains.Net Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP
There are quite a few companies out there that do it per line. Residential is a bit tougher to find than business. We support end users for several providers and actually resell some of them too. Problem tends to be more in the ordering and integration processes that it does in the actual service although faxes do cause problems for some. Make sure whatever you do that you find one that is easy to provision and place orders for. If not the work to do it all manually can be daunting. -Layne ServerPlus -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP Vox will also wholesale you the same way. Not very happy with the t38 fax performance though. Between two providers we are sitting at 350 business lines. Question is when does it make sense to do it yourself. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 22, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: We use NetSapiens. I REALLY like them. And, so far, they are the only company that will wholesale me a line at a time. I can treat my VoIP system exactly like a vonage system. I buy a line at a time. Someday, when/if, I get enough lines out there we can then move them all to our own switch/servers and really save some money on voice services. For now though, I don't need the servers or the expertise. All I have to know how to do is program the main server into the ATA devices and hook up the cords. Very cool. marlon - Original Message - From: Kevin Sullivan kevin.sulli...@alyrica.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 8:33 AM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP We'd like to start offering VoIP to our wireless customers, and we've taken a look at a couple of packaged soultions like NetSapiens. What is everyone else using? We'd like to start at a lower $$ than the $17,000 that we've been hearing from the packaged deals. Kevin --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Qwest buyout
http://news.qwest.com/centurylinkqwestmerger *MONROE, La. and DENVER, Co. -- April 22, 2010* -- CenturyLink (CenturyTel, Inc., NYSE: CTL) and Qwest Communications (NYSE: Q) announced today that their boards of directors have approved a definitive agreement under which CenturyLink will acquire Qwest in a tax-free, stock-for-stock transaction. ... -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Qwest buyout
I live in Monroe, worked for centurytel for over 5 years. Everyone I know that works there now hates it. Most are looking for new jobs. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 22, 2010, at 12:17 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: http://news.qwest.com/centurylinkqwestmerger *MONROE, La. and DENVER, Co. -- April 22, 2010* -- CenturyLink (CenturyTel, Inc., NYSE: CTL) and Qwest Communications (NYSE: Q) announced today that their boards of directors have approved a definitive agreement under which CenturyLink will acquire Qwest in a tax-free, stock-for-stock transaction. ... -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] An Old Woman
That as good as the old man who asked my installer if he was spending the night since its so late! On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: An old woman yelled at me tonight. It's Ten O'clock, it's time to come down! I work 24 hours a day. Old woman pissed me of. Had to share. Almost took my anenna home with m. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
I knew that made winchesters back then :) On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Runs on coal powered steam -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives 1889. That's a damn good hard drive. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 00:58:59 -0400 I still have a Conner 30meg drive that still works. From 1889. What use it has, I just dunno. - Original Message - From: Steven Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Quantum bigfoot sheesh. I actually had one come in here less than a year ago. Couldn't hardly stand the sound of the whine when the pc was turned on. Walked in and told my tech that I'd bet him lunch that had a Quantum Bigfoot in it by the sound. I got a free lunch. At least you didn't say the old Seagate ST-225RLL 20 Meg Those things worked well for a long time as long as you could get to the motor and spin it with your knife to get it started. The pictures of I attached are of a drive that still spins. I sold it in 1992 as a super server. Novell 3.12 2 meg dip ram on 2 ram boards, the attached pictures hard drive 376 Meg Total price $6859.00 Those were the days. Steve -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives The best and most reliable hard drives I ever had were Quantum Bigfoot and Quantum fireball drives. But that was when I lived in a parallel universe. I was also rich, very good looking and my children were respectful and well behaved. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Running a large Data Center I can say yes ... Every component is subject to failure. I have seen CPU's die - I have seen boards - Ram and the like as well. Funny - never had crucial ram doa or die ... in thousands of machines... Samsung ram - feels like its all doa On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone had a CPU go bad? I've never once seen this. I've never had RAM go bad either, though I have had some bad sticks DOA. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 937-552-2340 end_of_the_skype_highlighting Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: We can easily hold others accountable if we use the retail components rather than the OEM. 3 years on the Intel processor, 3 on the motherboard, 5 years on the hard drive, etc. If a part fails, we swap it out and rma the bad one. But that very rarely happens anyhow. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Hooper Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Being a system builder does seem like it would be pretty tough these. Most of the shops around here have shifted from doing system builds to becoming Value-Added Resellers. Even with servers it seems best to go with a name brand, what with HP's 3 year warranties and all. And, let's face it, it's nice being able to hold someone else accountable. Regards, Charles Mike Hammett wrote: How can you be a system builder anymore? I use only top quality parts because there's not enough margin on the low quality ones to justify the support... but then Dell's $400 desktop will work just fine for many people for 5 years. The only market I've found for system builders are servers, gaming machines, and other custom one-off applications. I can't get the hardware for a decent system for less than $600, then you have to add Windows, etc. I've found that buying from NewEgg or ProVantage or TigerDirect or... is significantly cheaper than DH, ASI, MA Labs, etc. often to the point where after profit, the NewEgg device is less expensive than my cost from a distributor. - Mike
Re: [WISPA] Qwest buyout
Jeremie, Is there one overall reason why employees hate it? What is CenturyTel doing wrong? jack Jeremie Chism wrote: I live in Monroe, worked for centurytel for over 5 years. Everyone I know that works there now hates it. Most are looking for new jobs. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 22, 2010, at 12:17 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: http://news.qwest.com/centurylinkqwestmerger *MONROE, La. and DENVER, Co. -- April 22, 2010* -- CenturyLink (CenturyTel, Inc., NYSE: CTL) and Qwest Communications (NYSE: Q) announced today that their boards of directors have approved a definitive agreement under which CenturyLink will acquire Qwest in a tax-free, stock-for-stock transaction. ... -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ "Letting off steam always produces more heat than light." - Neal A. Maxwell --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Qwest buyout
It has been heading that way for a while. When they sold the wiress to alltel there were a lot of cuts which didn't go over well. Then the embarq merger has some wondering what their job responsibilities are and if they will have a job. I was at the corporate office a few weeks ago and the mood was very negative. I have been getting quite a few of their phone customers that are unhappy. Not to mention centurytel is a nightmare to port from. ATT takes 10 days. Centurytel can take up to 120 days. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 22, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Jeremie, Is there one overall reason why employees hate it? What is CenturyTel doing wrong? jack Jeremie Chism wrote: I live in Monroe, worked for centurytel for over 5 years. Everyone I know that works there now hates it. Most are looking for new jobs. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 22, 2010, at 12:17 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: http://news.qwest.com/centurylinkqwestmerger *MONROE, La. and DENVER, Co. -- April 22, 2010* -- CenturyLink (CenturyTel, Inc., NYSE: CTL) and Qwest Communications (NYSE: Q) announced today that their boards of directors have approved a definitive agreement under which CenturyLink will acquire Qwest in a tax-free, stock-for-stock transaction. ... -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Actually it's not so different from a job. You should get paid to answer the phones, keep the place clean, etc.? grin Giving the kids some money does teach them how to manage it. When they run out they are done buying. My kids trim trees with me. That's how they earn money for stuff that they want. My version of the family farm :-). Gotta put that bucket truck to use somehow. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids It is dated but that's is what I believe. Society most definitely disagrees with that. Hopefully you don't come to regret those words some day :) On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! Just come help with the family business and I'll make sure you eat, have a place to sleep, get a percentage of the profits :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What would my allowance be with no chores? Another big thing...I never got an allowance. I worked for my money (odd jobs, helping people out, etc.)Before Rick that is. IMO it's crap. Giving a child money to do what is expected (help cleaning and keeping up the house) just makes no sense. Both my parents came from a farm - work all day every day and in turn food and a bed. On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Can I adopt you? :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I was...very close to 21. Never got in any trouble at school. My first job led to the second job/career I have today. I enjoy my life, the people around me and the things I have. My partner has 3 teenage girls. He is extremely strict. One of them gets in to trouble, disobeys, does wrong things, etc. A friend I had in high school was in the same position. I know where that person's life stands today and I would say we could all agree it's not what we hoped our lives would be at 23 or 24. I'm not judging how you or anyone parent, but rather just providing you with my experiences, my results and my facts. Take the above for as much as you paid for it =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:26 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Josh, I truly enjoy your posts regarding wireless but but I disagree with this. Its not about trust. We are all human and make mistakes, especially kids. As parents, we are not to assume our kids are perfect. Therefore, we SHOULD expect them to do things that may hurt or be bad for them. The best thing to do is error on the side of safety, within reason. Just my opinion. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Trust your kids and they will trust you back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a workshop I was at recently. How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept all those sorts of things. -Paul On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
I've talked to more people out here of late that aren't even trying to get a job. They get paid minimum wage on unemployment so why bother going to work for McDonalds or anything else as an interim job. What a joke. marlon - Original Message - From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Yes, it depends on what you put in. Remember that unemployment is generally what you put in, to a point. The extensions that the feds put out are actually loans to your state that get paid back via unemployment taxes that you pay later. The system works as a basic safety net. I don't mind it.. I just sweat when I am on it. ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Unemployment is dependent on your previous job from what I understand. He was in the Marines. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: How much is unemployment in OH? I max out here at 33% of my normal salary. I tell you I sweat and sweat trying to pick up my next gig. ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: My roommate is on unemployment. How do you feel it sucks? He goes to school ~12 hours a week and gets paid more then I take for salary with tuition paid. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: Obviously you have never been on unemployment. It sucks. ryan On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I heard that un-employment benefits recently got extended to 100 weeks Let's give the masses' more reason to not go find a job. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! Just come help with the family business and I'll make sure you eat, have a place to sleep, get a percentage of the profits :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What would my allowance be with no chores? Another big thing...I never got an allowance. I worked for my money (odd jobs, helping people out, etc.)Before Rick that is. IMO it's crap. Giving a child money to do what is expected (help cleaning and keeping up the house) just makes no sense. Both my parents came from a farm - work all day every day and in turn food and a bed. On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Can I adopt you? :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I was...very close to 21. Never got in any trouble at school. My first job led to the second job/career I have today. I enjoy my life, the people around me and the things I have. My partner has 3 teenage girls. He is extremely strict. One of them gets in to trouble, disobeys, does wrong things, etc. A friend I had in high school was in the same position. I know where that person's life stands today and I would say we could all agree it's not what we hoped our lives would be at 23 or 24. I'm not judging how you or anyone parent, but rather just providing you with my experiences, my results and my facts. Take the above for as much as you paid for it =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
I think that is why it does run out eventually. The unemployment office (at least in WA State) WILL audit your job-search logs showing that he was *applying* for at least 3 jobs a week. It may take them a while to get to you, but they can even audit them YEARS after you get a job and are off unemployment. The fines/fees/interest and penalties are stiff. I have a buddy of mine that did not fill out 4 weeks of job-search logs (he was screwing off), 2 years after the fact, they came after him for almost 3 times what he received in benefits. The collection was easy. They just garnished his wages 75% of them for a few weeks. ryan On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: I've talked to more people out here of late that aren't even trying to get a job. They get paid minimum wage on unemployment so why bother going to work for McDonalds or anything else as an interim job. What a joke. marlon - Original Message - From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Yes, it depends on what you put in. Remember that unemployment is generally what you put in, to a point. The extensions that the feds put out are actually loans to your state that get paid back via unemployment taxes that you pay later. The system works as a basic safety net. I don't mind it.. I just sweat when I am on it. ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Unemployment is dependent on your previous job from what I understand. He was in the Marines. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: How much is unemployment in OH? I max out here at 33% of my normal salary. I tell you I sweat and sweat trying to pick up my next gig. ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: My roommate is on unemployment. How do you feel it sucks? He goes to school ~12 hours a week and gets paid more then I take for salary with tuition paid. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: Obviously you have never been on unemployment. It sucks. ryan On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I heard that un-employment benefits recently got extended to 100 weeks Let's give the masses' more reason to not go find a job. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! Just come help with the family business and I'll make sure you eat, have a place to sleep, get a percentage of the profits :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What would my allowance be with no chores? Another big thing...I never got an allowance. I worked for my money (odd jobs, helping people out, etc.)Before Rick that is. IMO it's crap. Giving a child money to do what is expected (help cleaning and keeping up the house) just makes no sense. Both my parents came from a farm - work all day every day and in turn food and a bed. On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Can I adopt you? :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I was...very close to 21. Never got in any trouble at school. My first job led to the second job/career I have today. I enjoy my life,
Re: [WISPA] Solar
There's a calculator here that can help you determine how much panel capacity and battery you'll need. http://tyconpower.com/learning_center/learning_center.htm SP -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar I'd use the panel's own max working current rating for calculating the needed charge controller capacity. Greg On Apr 22, 2010, at 9:39 AM, jp wrote: Two 75w panels would be about right for just the MT411. And you'd need a bigger charge controller. 150w/12v= 10A. On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 03:57:01PM +, Akinlolu Ajayi-Obe wrote: I have a repeater with one microtik 411, two motorolla canopy and one 1amp 12v switch. I want to run it strictly on solar. I'm wondering if a 75watts solar panel with a 10amp charge controller will do. Thanks Akin Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Qwest buyout
I live and work in CenturyHell land.. I can tell you this, as of today we are now looking for alternative options of all our ds3's. Including those that cross connect into qwest. If they kill support at qwest for high-cap services like they did their own, its gona be hell on all of us that have qwest connections. Ryan On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: It has been heading that way for a while. When they sold the wiress to alltel there were a lot of cuts which didn't go over well. Then the embarq merger has some wondering what their job responsibilities are and if they will have a job. I was at the corporate office a few weeks ago and the mood was very negative. I have been getting quite a few of their phone customers that are unhappy. Not to mention centurytel is a nightmare to port from. ATT takes 10 days. Centurytel can take up to 120 days. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 22, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Jeremie, Is there one overall reason why employees hate it? What is CenturyTel doing wrong? jack Jeremie Chism wrote: I live in Monroe, worked for centurytel for over 5 years. Everyone I know that works there now hates it. Most are looking for new jobs. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 22, 2010, at 12:17 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: http://news.qwest.com/centurylinkqwestmerger *MONROE, La. and DENVER, Co. -- April 22, 2010* -- CenturyLink (CenturyTel, Inc., NYSE: CTL) and Qwest Communications (NYSE: Q) announced today that their boards of directors have approved a definitive agreement under which CenturyLink will acquire Qwest in a tax-free, stock-for-stock transaction. ... -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ryan Ghering Network Operations - Plains.Net Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Qwest buyout
Good luck with centurytel support. Their attitude is worse than the old ATT monopoly attitude. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 22, 2010, at 3:00 PM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote: I live and work in CenturyHell land.. I can tell you this, as of today we are now looking for alternative options of all our ds3's. Including those that cross connect into qwest. If they kill support at qwest for high-cap services like they did their own, its gona be hell on all of us that have qwest connections. Ryan On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: It has been heading that way for a while. When they sold the wiress to alltel there were a lot of cuts which didn't go over well. Then the embarq merger has some wondering what their job responsibilities are and if they will have a job. I was at the corporate office a few weeks ago and the mood was very negative. I have been getting quite a few of their phone customers that are unhappy. Not to mention centurytel is a nightmare to port from. ATT takes 10 days. Centurytel can take up to 120 days. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 22, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Jeremie, Is there one overall reason why employees hate it? What is CenturyTel doing wrong? jack Jeremie Chism wrote: I live in Monroe, worked for centurytel for over 5 years. Everyone I know that works there now hates it. Most are looking for new jobs. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 22, 2010, at 12:17 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: http://news.qwest.com/centurylinkqwestmerger *MONROE, La. and DENVER, Co. -- April 22, 2010* -- CenturyLink (CenturyTel, Inc., NYSE: CTL) and Qwest Communications (NYSE: Q) announced today that their boards of directors have approved a definitive agreement under which CenturyLink will acquire Qwest in a tax-free, stock-for-stock transaction. ... -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ryan Ghering Network Operations - Plains.Net Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Trust, but verify and prevent! Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 12:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Spoken like a man with no kids or in denial about what hellions he's got! lol Kids, especially teenagers, naturally trend toward pushing the limits. All kinds of limits. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Trust your kids and they will trust you back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coopwrote: I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a workshop I was at recently. How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept all those sorts of things. -Paul On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 11:38 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: Trust your kids and they will trust you back. This makes it VERY clear you are currently without a teenaged child in your house. :-) There are MANY things that go into building a trust relationship and the way this thread started indicates that the trust has already been broken. Besides, teens, even the good ones, will lose their minds on occasion. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?)
On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 09:27 -0600, Travis Johnson wrote: When I purchased the card from IS several years ago, it was a plain ol' Intel Desktop card. I matched the EXACT model number and purchased an additional card for a spare. At the time, they were EXACTLY the same cards (unless you think IS is making chip or firmware changes on the card itself?) No. This is the card that they no longer sell due to performance issues. It probably does fine in your network, but that just means it does fine for you. That $45 card (today) is what they sold for $125 (back then). When I ordered a card from them (this same card) a few years ago, I paid the $125. At that time, the card I purchased was selling (I can't remember where) for about $85. They only got about a $40 premium for keeping the warranty on my $5k router in tact. Seems like a no brainer to me, but I can't speak for anyone else... -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Slow speed
Rochester.. sheesh. Had an office in Rochester when I was a big shot for CAT. 3 days a week in Rochester, 2 days a week in Buffalo... I actually prefered Rochester. Nice town and a really freaky abandoned subway system. Loved those tunnels during lunch hour but the rats were as big as a cat. The bonus was that my office was right down from Schallers Hamburgers. Nuff said about that! GOOD STUFF! Bob- - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slow speed I lived in Rochester, NY back in the day. Small world :) On 4/22/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I learned it when I lived in Buffalo, NY. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 12:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slow speed Ah, the old shoot, shovel and shut up method Robert West wrote: We just shoot the customer and cover up the evidence. Oh, wait.. that was just a dream I had. Nevermind. Sorry. Bob- - Original Message - From: Mike mailto:m...@aweiowa.com m...@aweiowa.com To: 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slow speed Ryan: Presently we don't meter, but we do limit connections to 20 per IP at any one time. Stops torrents running amuck. Also, I tell my customers we have engineered our network for bursty traffic. We want their web pages, XBox and email to load really fast, and they do; typically at 3 Mbps. We tell them long duration connections are subject to throttling if the network gets congested. They ask what that is and I reply audio and video downloads. Most understand and appreciate that it is optimized for their behavior. Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Ghering Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slow speed We recently visited a customer whom complained about slow speeds, speed test to our local server showed a whooping 98k down and 70k up. This customer is on a 1 meg down 512k up plan. The customer insisted that they were doing nothing on the link. After about 2 hours of diagnostics we find out the customers kid had a wireless laptop under his bed downloading hundreds of torrents via udp connections. The customer complained that we charged them a truck roll fee for this. We informed them that it could have cost them alot more if we charged per gig downloaded. From the 1st of the month till the 15th this customer downloaded 92gigs of data. We are currently looking into metering consumer connections now. This is about the 20 or 30th call like this or similar this year alone. We now also know to look for udp and upnp instead of just tcp connections. Ryan On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Jeremie Chism mailto:jchi...@gmail.com jchi...@gmail.com wrote: I love to go out and work for an hour troubleshooting a customer complaint about slow speed only to find out that their dell poweredge switch is bad. Funny thing is that it was letting a little traffic come throughsay 300k or so. Sent from my iPhone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ryan Ghering Network Operations - Plains.Net Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman
Ah... But it got better today. This customer was the ONLY one on a very NEW AP. Teenage grandson begged and begged to be installed. I never install a paying customer until I test and test and tweak with a volunteer and it's perfect and near bullet proof. But Josh begs and I bend the rules. Told my cousin, who was my volunteer, I'd be back after I get this kid all fixed up. So I go to boys house. Lives with grandparents. The place is like a postcard. Very unbelievably anal. Calculations put me 20 feet up for bottom of Fresnel. Grandpa says Nope, can't put it on the house. (2 story, tall place) No antenna tower... Well too bad then. But Josh, 15, makes the sad story to me so I bend again and spring for a 4 foot hole, 6 bags of cement, 40 foot mast, ect.. Way out back behind the shed. Tell them all it will take probably a week to get it all set to be perfect. Well here it is, been a week. Of course, grandma yells at me last night, has a big attitude. Today, boy calls, Internet not working Attitude again. (I'm monitoring all day, problem is obviously is with his PC) I remind him that old man said no house mount (has a very nice big chimney to clam on to) and I was monitoring the signal all day today, and I was. Has a -74 ALL DAY! He's 7 miles out with trees But still very good signal. So teen boy, Josh tells me Grandpa said that if you don't come out right now to fix it you need to come tomorrow and take everything out including the pole because it's UNRELIABLE Oppps! Said the wrong thing. I closed the store, went home and picked up my saws all, drove out... Pulled out the big cable cutters Josh boy comes over on his ATV What ya think is wrong? I say... I'm sorry, grandpa says we're unreliable so I'm just gonna help you all out and take it all down. Deer eyes in the headlights. Bluff called. Cut the cable, took down top section. Grandpa comes out. Sorry we weren't reliable sir, I told you it would take about a week but I don't want to cause you anymore pain. Uh, uh, uh... He says. Sawsall. Last section. Josh, can you go get me the power injector and power supply? Okay... In and out. YOU'RE FIRED! I'm working on a clause in our terms of service concerning Unreasonable Customers. From now on, I reserve the right to fire unreasonable customers. The truth is, I really don't give a damn if I provide quality internet at a more than reasonable price to people who are jerks to us. Life is too short. I'm a nice guy, (Too nice, so says Gene Kelly... YO, GENE!) I'm done with unreasonable, pushy people. They need to sign a I Won't Be A Jerk agreement. And yes, I'm making one. Enjoy. Bob- - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] An Old Woman That as good as the old man who asked my installer if he was spending the night since its so late! On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: An old woman yelled at me tonight. It's Ten O'clock, it's time to come down! I work 24 hours a day. Old woman pissed me of. Had to share. Almost took my anenna home with m. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
Winchester 20meg hard card in my Tandy 1000. Them be da days! Oh, and I still have it stored in my mothers basement. Yes, still works. Someday I need to learn to throw things out.. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives I knew that made winchesters back then :) On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Runs on coal powered steam -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives 1889. That's a damn good hard drive. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 00:58:59 -0400 I still have a Conner 30meg drive that still works. From 1889. What use it has, I just dunno. - Original Message - From: Steven Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Quantum bigfoot sheesh. I actually had one come in here less than a year ago. Couldn't hardly stand the sound of the whine when the pc was turned on. Walked in and told my tech that I'd bet him lunch that had a Quantum Bigfoot in it by the sound. I got a free lunch. At least you didn't say the old Seagate ST-225RLL 20 Meg Those things worked well for a long time as long as you could get to the motor and spin it with your knife to get it started. The pictures of I attached are of a drive that still spins. I sold it in 1992 as a super server. Novell 3.12 2 meg dip ram on 2 ram boards, the attached pictures hard drive 376 Meg Total price $6859.00 Those were the days. Steve -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives The best and most reliable hard drives I ever had were Quantum Bigfoot and Quantum fireball drives. But that was when I lived in a parallel universe. I was also rich, very good looking and my children were respectful and well behaved. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Running a large Data Center I can say yes ... Every component is subject to failure. I have seen CPU's die - I have seen boards - Ram and the like as well. Funny - never had crucial ram doa or die ... in thousands of machines... Samsung ram - feels like its all doa On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone had a CPU go bad? I've never once seen this. I've never had RAM go bad either, though I have had some bad sticks DOA. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 937-552-2340 end_of_the_skype_highlighting Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: We can easily hold others accountable if we use the retail components rather than the OEM. 3 years on the Intel processor, 3 on the motherboard, 5 years on the hard drive, etc. If a part fails, we swap it out and rma the bad one. But that very rarely happens anyhow. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Hooper Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Being a system builder does seem like it would be pretty tough these. Most of the shops around here have shifted from doing system builds to becoming Value-Added Resellers. Even with servers it seems best to go with a name brand, what with HP's 3 year warranties and all. And, let's face it, it's nice being able to hold someone else accountable. Regards, Charles Mike Hammett wrote: How can you be a system builder anymore? I use only top quality parts because there's not enough margin on the low quality ones to justify the support... but then Dell's $400 desktop will work just fine for many people for 5 years. The only market I've found for system builders are servers, gaming machines, and other custom
Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman
Bending backward, Or in any direction only leads to bad things... Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 9:55 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman Ah... But it got better today. This customer was the ONLY one on a very NEW AP. Teenage grandson begged and begged to be installed. I never install a paying customer until I test and test and tweak with a volunteer and it's perfect and near bullet proof. But Josh begs and I bend the rules. Told my cousin, who was my volunteer, I'd be back after I get this kid all fixed up. So I go to boys house. Lives with grandparents. The place is like a postcard. Very unbelievably anal. Calculations put me 20 feet up for bottom of Fresnel. Grandpa says Nope, can't put it on the house. (2 story, tall place) No antenna tower... Well too bad then. But Josh, 15, makes the sad story to me so I bend again and spring for a 4 foot hole, 6 bags of cement, 40 foot mast, ect.. Way out back behind the shed. Tell them all it will take probably a week to get it all set to be perfect. Well here it is, been a week. Of course, grandma yells at me last night, has a big attitude. Today, boy calls, Internet not working Attitude again. (I'm monitoring all day, problem is obviously is with his PC) I remind him that old man said no house mount (has a very nice big chimney to clam on to) and I was monitoring the signal all day today, and I was. Has a -74 ALL DAY! He's 7 miles out with trees But still very good signal. So teen boy, Josh tells me Grandpa said that if you don't come out right now to fix it you need to come tomorrow and take everything out including the pole because it's UNRELIABLE Oppps! Said the wrong thing. I closed the store, went home and picked up my saws all, drove out... Pulled out the big cable cutters Josh boy comes over on his ATV What ya think is wrong? I say... I'm sorry, grandpa says we're unreliable so I'm just gonna help you all out and take it all down. Deer eyes in the headlights. Bluff called. Cut the cable, took down top section. Grandpa comes out. Sorry we weren't reliable sir, I told you it would take about a week but I don't want to cause you anymore pain. Uh, uh, uh... He says. Sawsall. Last section. Josh, can you go get me the power injector and power supply? Okay... In and out. YOU'RE FIRED! I'm working on a clause in our terms of service concerning Unreasonable Customers. From now on, I reserve the right to fire unreasonable customers. The truth is, I really don't give a damn if I provide quality internet at a more than reasonable price to people who are jerks to us. Life is too short. I'm a nice guy, (Too nice, so says Gene Kelly... YO, GENE!) I'm done with unreasonable, pushy people. They need to sign a I Won't Be A Jerk agreement. And yes, I'm making one. Enjoy. Bob- - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] An Old Woman That as good as the old man who asked my installer if he was spending the night since its so late! On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: An old woman yelled at me tonight. It's Ten O'clock, it's time to come down! I work 24 hours a day. Old woman pissed me of. Had to share. Almost took my anenna home with m. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join
Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?)
It was a standard card, I did the same thing Travis. Its all a matter of supporting and having support for the product which was one of the main reasons for using their routers - the support was excellent. I understand paying more for the parts supports the company who supports me. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) When I purchased the card from IS several years ago, it was a plain ol' Intel Desktop card. I matched the EXACT model number and purchased an additional card for a spare. At the time, they were EXACTLY the same cards (unless you think IS is making chip or firmware changes on the card itself?) Travis Microserv Butch Evans wrote: On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 13:27 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: I will like to know what the part costs from Imagestream as Newegg charges $45. That is not the same card that IS sells, by the way. Just because you can purchase an Intel Ethernet card at $45, doesn't mean it is the same card with the same performance specs as the $200 card, which is also an Intel Ethernet card. :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
I hide all knives and anything that could be mistaken as a weapon, including the cat. Teenagers suck. I know, I used to be one. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Spoken like a man with no kids or in denial about what hellions he's got! lol Kids, especially teenagers, naturally trend toward pushing the limits. All kinds of limits. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Trust your kids and they will trust you back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coopwrote: I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a workshop I was at recently. How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept all those sorts of things. -Paul On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman
Yep. And I know better. I have that unwritten rule but I gave in to a kid. Kids suck. - Original Message - From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman Bending backward, Or in any direction only leads to bad things... Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 9:55 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman Ah... But it got better today. This customer was the ONLY one on a very NEW AP. Teenage grandson begged and begged to be installed. I never install a paying customer until I test and test and tweak with a volunteer and it's perfect and near bullet proof. But Josh begs and I bend the rules. Told my cousin, who was my volunteer, I'd be back after I get this kid all fixed up. So I go to boys house. Lives with grandparents. The place is like a postcard. Very unbelievably anal. Calculations put me 20 feet up for bottom of Fresnel. Grandpa says Nope, can't put it on the house. (2 story, tall place) No antenna tower... Well too bad then. But Josh, 15, makes the sad story to me so I bend again and spring for a 4 foot hole, 6 bags of cement, 40 foot mast, ect.. Way out back behind the shed. Tell them all it will take probably a week to get it all set to be perfect. Well here it is, been a week. Of course, grandma yells at me last night, has a big attitude. Today, boy calls, Internet not working Attitude again. (I'm monitoring all day, problem is obviously is with his PC) I remind him that old man said no house mount (has a very nice big chimney to clam on to) and I was monitoring the signal all day today, and I was. Has a -74 ALL DAY! He's 7 miles out with trees But still very good signal. So teen boy, Josh tells me Grandpa said that if you don't come out right now to fix it you need to come tomorrow and take everything out including the pole because it's UNRELIABLE Oppps! Said the wrong thing. I closed the store, went home and picked up my saws all, drove out... Pulled out the big cable cutters Josh boy comes over on his ATV What ya think is wrong? I say... I'm sorry, grandpa says we're unreliable so I'm just gonna help you all out and take it all down. Deer eyes in the headlights. Bluff called. Cut the cable, took down top section. Grandpa comes out. Sorry we weren't reliable sir, I told you it would take about a week but I don't want to cause you anymore pain. Uh, uh, uh... He says. Sawsall. Last section. Josh, can you go get me the power injector and power supply? Okay... In and out. YOU'RE FIRED! I'm working on a clause in our terms of service concerning Unreasonable Customers. From now on, I reserve the right to fire unreasonable customers. The truth is, I really don't give a damn if I provide quality internet at a more than reasonable price to people who are jerks to us. Life is too short. I'm a nice guy, (Too nice, so says Gene Kelly... YO, GENE!) I'm done with unreasonable, pushy people. They need to sign a I Won't Be A Jerk agreement. And yes, I'm making one. Enjoy. Bob- - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] An Old Woman That as good as the old man who asked my installer if he was spending the night since its so late! On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: An old woman yelled at me tonight. It's Ten O'clock, it's time to come down! I work 24 hours a day. Old woman pissed me of. Had to share. Almost took my anenna home with m. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman
Thats pretty similar to our NO EXCUSES policy I implemented a few weeks back, no excuses for anyone.. IT started with my installers giving me excuses on why jobs weren't getting done, then followed with why customers aren't paying, then continued with the you have unreliable service lines.. Bottom line as I told my crew. Were in this to provide a service and make money doing it., I want no excuses on why the customers not installed just get it done, I want no excuses why it doesn't work, if you can't get it to work pull it down, tell the customer your sorry and move on. If they don't pay, pull it down and install their neighbor.. Since then my stress level is WAY down.. I'm enjoying my job again.. a little.. hehe.. Ryan On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.comwrote: Bending backward, Or in any direction only leads to bad things... Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 9:55 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman Ah... But it got better today. This customer was the ONLY one on a very NEW AP. Teenage grandson begged and begged to be installed. I never install a paying customer until I test and test and tweak with a volunteer and it's perfect and near bullet proof. But Josh begs and I bend the rules. Told my cousin, who was my volunteer, I'd be back after I get this kid all fixed up. So I go to boys house. Lives with grandparents. The place is like a postcard. Very unbelievably anal. Calculations put me 20 feet up for bottom of Fresnel. Grandpa says Nope, can't put it on the house. (2 story, tall place) No antenna tower... Well too bad then. But Josh, 15, makes the sad story to me so I bend again and spring for a 4 foot hole, 6 bags of cement, 40 foot mast, ect.. Way out back behind the shed. Tell them all it will take probably a week to get it all set to be perfect. Well here it is, been a week. Of course, grandma yells at me last night, has a big attitude. Today, boy calls, Internet not working Attitude again. (I'm monitoring all day, problem is obviously is with his PC) I remind him that old man said no house mount (has a very nice big chimney to clam on to) and I was monitoring the signal all day today, and I was. Has a -74 ALL DAY! He's 7 miles out with trees But still very good signal. So teen boy, Josh tells me Grandpa said that if you don't come out right now to fix it you need to come tomorrow and take everything out including the pole because it's UNRELIABLE Oppps! Said the wrong thing. I closed the store, went home and picked up my saws all, drove out... Pulled out the big cable cutters Josh boy comes over on his ATV What ya think is wrong? I say... I'm sorry, grandpa says we're unreliable so I'm just gonna help you all out and take it all down. Deer eyes in the headlights. Bluff called. Cut the cable, took down top section. Grandpa comes out. Sorry we weren't reliable sir, I told you it would take about a week but I don't want to cause you anymore pain. Uh, uh, uh... He says. Sawsall. Last section. Josh, can you go get me the power injector and power supply? Okay... In and out. YOU'RE FIRED! I'm working on a clause in our terms of service concerning Unreasonable Customers. From now on, I reserve the right to fire unreasonable customers. The truth is, I really don't give a damn if I provide quality internet at a more than reasonable price to people who are jerks to us. Life is too short. I'm a nice guy, (Too nice, so says Gene Kelly... YO, GENE!) I'm done with unreasonable, pushy people. They need to sign a I Won't Be A Jerk agreement. And yes, I'm making one. Enjoy. Bob- - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] An Old Woman That as good as the old man who asked my installer if he was spending the night since its so late! On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: An old woman yelled at me tonight. It's Ten O'clock, it's time to come down! I work 24 hours a day. Old woman pissed me of. Had to share. Almost took my anenna home with m. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman
Why did you use my name? :( On 4/22/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Ah... But it got better today. This customer was the ONLY one on a very NEW AP. Teenage grandson begged and begged to be installed. I never install a paying customer until I test and test and tweak with a volunteer and it's perfect and near bullet proof. But Josh begs and I bend the rules. Told my cousin, who was my volunteer, I'd be back after I get this kid all fixed up. So I go to boys house. Lives with grandparents. The place is like a postcard. Very unbelievably anal. Calculations put me 20 feet up for bottom of Fresnel. Grandpa says Nope, can't put it on the house. (2 story, tall place) No antenna tower... Well too bad then. But Josh, 15, makes the sad story to me so I bend again and spring for a 4 foot hole, 6 bags of cement, 40 foot mast, ect.. Way out back behind the shed. Tell them all it will take probably a week to get it all set to be perfect. Well here it is, been a week. Of course, grandma yells at me last night, has a big attitude. Today, boy calls, Internet not working Attitude again. (I'm monitoring all day, problem is obviously is with his PC) I remind him that old man said no house mount (has a very nice big chimney to clam on to) and I was monitoring the signal all day today, and I was. Has a -74 ALL DAY! He's 7 miles out with trees But still very good signal. So teen boy, Josh tells me Grandpa said that if you don't come out right now to fix it you need to come tomorrow and take everything out including the pole because it's UNRELIABLE Oppps! Said the wrong thing. I closed the store, went home and picked up my saws all, drove out... Pulled out the big cable cutters Josh boy comes over on his ATV What ya think is wrong? I say... I'm sorry, grandpa says we're unreliable so I'm just gonna help you all out and take it all down. Deer eyes in the headlights. Bluff called. Cut the cable, took down top section. Grandpa comes out. Sorry we weren't reliable sir, I told you it would take about a week but I don't want to cause you anymore pain. Uh, uh, uh... He says. Sawsall. Last section. Josh, can you go get me the power injector and power supply? Okay... In and out. YOU'RE FIRED! I'm working on a clause in our terms of service concerning Unreasonable Customers. From now on, I reserve the right to fire unreasonable customers. The truth is, I really don't give a damn if I provide quality internet at a more than reasonable price to people who are jerks to us. Life is too short. I'm a nice guy, (Too nice, so says Gene Kelly... YO, GENE!) I'm done with unreasonable, pushy people. They need to sign a I Won't Be A Jerk agreement. And yes, I'm making one. Enjoy. Bob- - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] An Old Woman That as good as the old man who asked my installer if he was spending the night since its so late! On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: An old woman yelled at me tonight. It's Ten O'clock, it's time to come down! I work 24 hours a day. Old woman pissed me of. Had to share. Almost took my anenna home with m. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman
Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Why did you use my name? :( On 4/22/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Ah... But it got better today. This customer was the ONLY one on a very NEW AP. Teenage grandson begged and begged to be installed. I never install a paying customer until I test and test and tweak with a volunteer and it's perfect and near bullet proof. But Josh begs and I bend the rules. Told my cousin, who was my volunteer, I'd be back after I get this kid all fixed up. So I go to boys house. Lives with grandparents. The place is like a postcard. Very unbelievably anal. Calculations put me 20 feet up for bottom of Fresnel. Grandpa says Nope, can't put it on the house. (2 story, tall place) No antenna tower... Well too bad then. But Josh, 15, makes the sad story to me so I bend again and spring for a 4 foot hole, 6 bags of cement, 40 foot mast, ect.. Way out back behind the shed. Tell them all it will take probably a week to get it all set to be perfect. Well here it is, been a week. Of course, grandma yells at me last night, has a big attitude. Today, boy calls, Internet not working Attitude again. (I'm monitoring all day, problem is obviously is with his PC) I remind him that old man said no house mount (has a very nice big chimney to clam on to) and I was monitoring the signal all day today, and I was. Has a -74 ALL DAY! He's 7 miles out with trees But still very good signal. So teen boy, Josh tells me Grandpa said that if you don't come out right now to fix it you need to come tomorrow and take everything out including the pole because it's UNRELIABLE Oppps! Said the wrong thing. I closed the store, went home and picked up my saws all, drove out... Pulled out the big cable cutters Josh boy comes over on his ATV What ya think is wrong? I say... I'm sorry, grandpa says we're unreliable so I'm just gonna help you all out and take it all down. Deer eyes in the headlights. Bluff called. Cut the cable, took down top section. Grandpa comes out. Sorry we weren't reliable sir, I told you it would take about a week but I don't want to cause you anymore pain. Uh, uh, uh... He says. Sawsall. Last section. Josh, can you go get me the power injector and power supply? Okay... In and out. YOU'RE FIRED! I'm working on a clause in our terms of service concerning Unreasonable Customers. From now on, I reserve the right to fire unreasonable customers. The truth is, I really don't give a damn if I provide quality internet at a more than reasonable price to people who are jerks to us. Life is too short. I'm a nice guy, (Too nice, so says Gene Kelly... YO, GENE!) I'm done with unreasonable, pushy people. They need to sign a I Won't Be A Jerk agreement. And yes, I'm making one. Enjoy. Bob- - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] An Old Woman That as good as the old man who asked my installer if he was spending the night since its so late! On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: An old woman yelled at me tonight. It's Ten O'clock, it's time to come down! I work 24 hours a day. Old woman pissed me of. Had to share. Almost took my anenna home with m. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join
Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman
Sounds like a good idea. Pass me a copy. I'd like some ideas also. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 22, 2010, at 8:54 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just- micro.com wrote: Ah... But it got better today. This customer was the ONLY one on a very NEW AP. Teenage grandson begged and begged to be installed. I never install a paying customer until I test and test and tweak with a volunteer and it's perfect and near bullet proof. But Josh begs and I bend the rules. Told my cousin, who was my volunteer, I'd be back after I get this kid all fixed up. So I go to boys house. Lives with grandparents. The place is like a postcard. Very unbelievably anal. Calculations put me 20 feet up for bottom of Fresnel. Grandpa says Nope, can't put it on the house. (2 story, tall place) No antenna tower... Well too bad then. But Josh, 15, makes the sad story to me so I bend again and spring for a 4 foot hole, 6 bags of cement, 40 foot mast, ect.. Way out back behind the shed. Tell them all it will take probably a week to get it all set to be perfect. Well here it is, been a week. Of course, grandma yells at me last night, has a big attitude. Today, boy calls, Internet not working Attitude again. (I'm monitoring all day, problem is obviously is with his PC) I remind him that old man said no house mount (has a very nice big chimney to clam on to) and I was monitoring the signal all day today, and I was. Has a -74 ALL DAY! He's 7 miles out with trees But still very good signal. So teen boy, Josh tells me Grandpa said that if you don't come out right now to fix it you need to come tomorrow and take everything out including the pole because it's UNRELIABLE Oppps! Said the wrong thing. I closed the store, went home and picked up my saws all, drove out... Pulled out the big cable cutters Josh boy comes over on his ATV What ya think is wrong? I say... I'm sorry, grandpa says we're unreliable so I'm just gonna help you all out and take it all down. Deer eyes in the headlights. Bluff called. Cut the cable, took down top section. Grandpa comes out. Sorry we weren't reliable sir, I told you it would take about a week but I don't want to cause you anymore pain. Uh, uh, uh... He says. Sawsall. Last section. Josh, can you go get me the power injector and power supply? Okay... In and out. YOU'RE FIRED! I'm working on a clause in our terms of service concerning Unreasonable Customers. From now on, I reserve the right to fire unreasonable customers. The truth is, I really don't give a damn if I provide quality internet at a more than reasonable price to people who are jerks to us. Life is too short. I'm a nice guy, (Too nice, so says Gene Kelly... YO, GENE!) I'm done with unreasonable, pushy people. They need to sign a I Won't Be A Jerk agreement. And yes, I'm making one. Enjoy. Bob- - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] An Old Woman That as good as the old man who asked my installer if he was spending the night since its so late! On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: An old woman yelled at me tonight. It's Ten O'clock, it's time to come down! I work 24 hours a day. Old woman pissed me of. Had to share. Almost took my anenna home with m. --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman
And I'm with ya, pal! Honestly, I work up to 18 hours a day, 7 days a week. I really have no time for whining and hand holding. This is why I told these people up front what the process would be and still they get all pissy even after a totally FREE installation which they were told was to offest any trouble they were to experience while I got everything perfect on the new AP. No time for cry babies. Go get yourself a Sprint Card or order up Hughes Net and be happy, I'm sure they will be much better for you..! I wonder how long it will be before they eat that humble pie. Too late. I only want nice customers from now on. They need to sign the agreement of I'll kick their ass! HA! bob- - Original Message - From: Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman Thats pretty similar to our NO EXCUSES policy I implemented a few weeks back, no excuses for anyone.. IT started with my installers giving me excuses on why jobs weren't getting done, then followed with why customers aren't paying, then continued with the you have unreliable service lines.. Bottom line as I told my crew. Were in this to provide a service and make money doing it., I want no excuses on why the customers not installed just get it done, I want no excuses why it doesn't work, if you can't get it to work pull it down, tell the customer your sorry and move on. If they don't pay, pull it down and install their neighbor.. Since then my stress level is WAY down.. I'm enjoying my job again.. a little.. hehe.. Ryan On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.comwrote: Bending backward, Or in any direction only leads to bad things... Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 9:55 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman Ah... But it got better today. This customer was the ONLY one on a very NEW AP. Teenage grandson begged and begged to be installed. I never install a paying customer until I test and test and tweak with a volunteer and it's perfect and near bullet proof. But Josh begs and I bend the rules. Told my cousin, who was my volunteer, I'd be back after I get this kid all fixed up. So I go to boys house. Lives with grandparents. The place is like a postcard. Very unbelievably anal. Calculations put me 20 feet up for bottom of Fresnel. Grandpa says Nope, can't put it on the house. (2 story, tall place) No antenna tower... Well too bad then. But Josh, 15, makes the sad story to me so I bend again and spring for a 4 foot hole, 6 bags of cement, 40 foot mast, ect.. Way out back behind the shed. Tell them all it will take probably a week to get it all set to be perfect. Well here it is, been a week. Of course, grandma yells at me last night, has a big attitude. Today, boy calls, Internet not working Attitude again. (I'm monitoring all day, problem is obviously is with his PC) I remind him that old man said no house mount (has a very nice big chimney to clam on to) and I was monitoring the signal all day today, and I was. Has a -74 ALL DAY! He's 7 miles out with trees But still very good signal. So teen boy, Josh tells me Grandpa said that if you don't come out right now to fix it you need to come tomorrow and take everything out including the pole because it's UNRELIABLE Oppps! Said the wrong thing. I closed the store, went home and picked up my saws all, drove out... Pulled out the big cable cutters Josh boy comes over on his ATV What ya think is wrong? I say... I'm sorry, grandpa says we're unreliable so I'm just gonna help you all out and take it all down. Deer eyes in the headlights. Bluff called. Cut the cable, took down top section. Grandpa comes out. Sorry we weren't reliable sir, I told you it would take about a week but I don't want to cause you anymore pain. Uh, uh, uh... He says. Sawsall. Last section. Josh, can you go get me the power injector and power supply? Okay... In and out. YOU'RE FIRED! I'm working on a clause in our terms of service concerning Unreasonable Customers. From now on, I reserve the right to fire unreasonable customers. The truth is, I really don't give a damn if I provide quality internet at a more than reasonable price to people who are jerks to us. Life is too short. I'm a nice guy, (Too nice, so says Gene Kelly... YO, GENE!) I'm done with unreasonable, pushy people. They need to sign a I Won't Be A Jerk agreement. And yes, I'm making one. Enjoy.
Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman
Sorry, dude. Boys name is really Josh but you're a lot smarter and don't live with mean old grandma. Bob- - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman Why did you use my name? :( On 4/22/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Ah... But it got better today. This customer was the ONLY one on a very NEW AP. Teenage grandson begged and begged to be installed. I never install a paying customer until I test and test and tweak with a volunteer and it's perfect and near bullet proof. But Josh begs and I bend the rules. Told my cousin, who was my volunteer, I'd be back after I get this kid all fixed up. So I go to boys house. Lives with grandparents. The place is like a postcard. Very unbelievably anal. Calculations put me 20 feet up for bottom of Fresnel. Grandpa says Nope, can't put it on the house. (2 story, tall place) No antenna tower... Well too bad then. But Josh, 15, makes the sad story to me so I bend again and spring for a 4 foot hole, 6 bags of cement, 40 foot mast, ect.. Way out back behind the shed. Tell them all it will take probably a week to get it all set to be perfect. Well here it is, been a week. Of course, grandma yells at me last night, has a big attitude. Today, boy calls, Internet not working Attitude again. (I'm monitoring all day, problem is obviously is with his PC) I remind him that old man said no house mount (has a very nice big chimney to clam on to) and I was monitoring the signal all day today, and I was. Has a -74 ALL DAY! He's 7 miles out with trees But still very good signal. So teen boy, Josh tells me Grandpa said that if you don't come out right now to fix it you need to come tomorrow and take everything out including the pole because it's UNRELIABLE Oppps! Said the wrong thing. I closed the store, went home and picked up my saws all, drove out... Pulled out the big cable cutters Josh boy comes over on his ATV What ya think is wrong? I say... I'm sorry, grandpa says we're unreliable so I'm just gonna help you all out and take it all down. Deer eyes in the headlights. Bluff called. Cut the cable, took down top section. Grandpa comes out. Sorry we weren't reliable sir, I told you it would take about a week but I don't want to cause you anymore pain. Uh, uh, uh... He says. Sawsall. Last section. Josh, can you go get me the power injector and power supply? Okay... In and out. YOU'RE FIRED! I'm working on a clause in our terms of service concerning Unreasonable Customers. From now on, I reserve the right to fire unreasonable customers. The truth is, I really don't give a damn if I provide quality internet at a more than reasonable price to people who are jerks to us. Life is too short. I'm a nice guy, (Too nice, so says Gene Kelly... YO, GENE!) I'm done with unreasonable, pushy people. They need to sign a I Won't Be A Jerk agreement. And yes, I'm making one. Enjoy. Bob- - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] An Old Woman That as good as the old man who asked my installer if he was spending the night since its so late! On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: An old woman yelled at me tonight. It's Ten O'clock, it's time to come down! I work 24 hours a day. Old woman pissed me of. Had to share. Almost took my anenna home with m. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Couple more questions for the 11Ghz folks
Spending over 10K for a link (or anything for that matter) causes me to do a bit more homework than usual when I'm dealing with something I am not familiar with So more questions... Thanks ahead for your time I appreciate any info provided. Looking for generic 11Ghz answers - not related specifically to any manufacturer. Two links in question, one 20 miles and one 30 miles. 18db output 40.4 db dish (4ft) 900ft tower to 300ft tower both instances 900ft tower in middle with one link east one west. Calculations show just under 700 watts EIRP How much is the rain going to affect me... I have no experience with 11Ghz and would really like a firm grasp on what happens to my link(s) when the rain starts. I understand the Trango Apex which I'm looking at can dynamically adjust speeds to account for some fade - exactly how much I'm not sure. Any real world info would really help me at this point. I guess I'm looking for good news :) but I need to hear the bad as well if it is reality. Next question is for temp inversions. I have never had equipment higher than about 350ft so the 900ft is a bit new for me. I'm assuming that the angle different from going from 300ft to 300ft vs. 900ft to 300ft would be a small portion of a degree difference so I'm not expecting anything different here. Confirm this really won't make a difference for me as I suspect... I'm not going over much water, just St. Johns river mostly marsh but it does cause differences in temp above the water. Does 11Ghz behave the same as 5Ghz for inversions? Worse, better? 5Ghz around here sways a lot actually if you look at RSSI graphs. Anything else I might want to know, understand, be warned about etc? Remember back to your first 10K + link :) That's me now... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
My first was a commodore 64. Man I thought that was the best thing ever when I got it. Funny.I'm talking about firsts and a computer is what I come up with. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 22, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just- micro.com wrote: Winchester 20meg hard card in my Tandy 1000. Them be da days! Oh, and I still have it stored in my mothers basement. Yes, still works. Someday I need to learn to throw things out.. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives I knew that made winchesters back then :) On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Runs on coal powered steam -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives 1889. That's a damn good hard drive. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 00:58:59 -0400 I still have a Conner 30meg drive that still works. From 1889. What use it has, I just dunno. - Original Message - From: Steven Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Quantum bigfoot sheesh. I actually had one come in here less than a year ago. Couldn't hardly stand the sound of the whine when the pc was turned on. Walked in and told my tech that I'd bet him lunch that had a Quantum Bigfoot in it by the sound. I got a free lunch. At least you didn't say the old Seagate ST-225RLL 20 Meg Those things worked well for a long time as long as you could get to the motor and spin it with your knife to get it started. The pictures of I attached are of a drive that still spins. I sold it in 1992 as a super server. Novell 3.12 2 meg dip ram on 2 ram boards, the attached pictures hard drive 376 Meg Total price $6859.00 Those were the days. Steve -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives The best and most reliable hard drives I ever had were Quantum Bigfoot and Quantum fireball drives. But that was when I lived in a parallel universe. I was also rich, very good looking and my children were respectful and well behaved. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Running a large Data Center I can say yes ... Every component is subject to failure. I have seen CPU's die - I have seen boards - Ram and the like as well. Funny - never had crucial ram doa or die ... in thousands of machines... Samsung ram - feels like its all doa On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone had a CPU go bad? I've never once seen this. I've never had RAM go bad either, though I have had some bad sticks DOA. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 937-552-2340 end_of_the_skype_highlighting Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: We can easily hold others accountable if we use the retail components rather than the OEM. 3 years on the Intel processor, 3 on the motherboard, 5 years on the hard drive, etc. If a part fails, we swap it out and rma the bad one. But that very rarely happens anyhow. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Hooper Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Being a system builder does seem like it would be pretty tough these. Most of the shops around here have shifted from doing system builds to becoming Value-Added Resellers. Even with servers it seems best to go with a name brand, what with HP's 3 year warranties and all. And, let's face it, it's nice being able to hold someone else accountable. Regards,
[WISPA] Painting
Had a question about painting outdoor ethernet cable -- we've actually never had to do it before, but did today for a particular install that required us transitioning from one flat roof straight down to another flat roof about 35ft below. The brick was near-white, our cable was black, so I went with a nearly matching an exterior latex paint and it seemed to take to the Mohawk outdoor ethernet cable well. My question is, is Krylon (I think that's the name) spray paint a better option than exterior latex paint applied heavily with a brush? I'm not concerned with cost since this was a rare occasion for us, and it didn't take too long to paint with a brush. I'm just wanting to find the best method to ensure the cable stays painted for as long as possible in the weather. Thanks. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman
Did you actually tell them YOUR FIRED ??? Congrats if you did, I know we've all wanted to do that at times to certain customers... Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 9:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman Ah... But it got better today. This customer was the ONLY one on a very NEW AP. Teenage grandson begged and begged to be installed. I never install a paying customer until I test and test and tweak with a volunteer and it's perfect and near bullet proof. But Josh begs and I bend the rules. Told my cousin, who was my volunteer, I'd be back after I get this kid all fixed up. So I go to boys house. Lives with grandparents. The place is like a postcard. Very unbelievably anal. Calculations put me 20 feet up for bottom of Fresnel. Grandpa says Nope, can't put it on the house. (2 story, tall place) No antenna tower... Well too bad then. But Josh, 15, makes the sad story to me so I bend again and spring for a 4 foot hole, 6 bags of cement, 40 foot mast, ect.. Way out back behind the shed. Tell them all it will take probably a week to get it all set to be perfect. Well here it is, been a week. Of course, grandma yells at me last night, has a big attitude. Today, boy calls, Internet not working Attitude again. (I'm monitoring all day, problem is obviously is with his PC) I remind him that old man said no house mount (has a very nice big chimney to clam on to) and I was monitoring the signal all day today, and I was. Has a -74 ALL DAY! He's 7 miles out with trees But still very good signal. So teen boy, Josh tells me Grandpa said that if you don't come out right now to fix it you need to come tomorrow and take everything out including the pole because it's UNRELIABLE Oppps! Said the wrong thing. I closed the store, went home and picked up my saws all, drove out... Pulled out the big cable cutters Josh boy comes over on his ATV What ya think is wrong? I say... I'm sorry, grandpa says we're unreliable so I'm just gonna help you all out and take it all down. Deer eyes in the headlights. Bluff called. Cut the cable, took down top section. Grandpa comes out. Sorry we weren't reliable sir, I told you it would take about a week but I don't want to cause you anymore pain. Uh, uh, uh... He says. Sawsall. Last section. Josh, can you go get me the power injector and power supply? Okay... In and out. YOU'RE FIRED! I'm working on a clause in our terms of service concerning Unreasonable Customers. From now on, I reserve the right to fire unreasonable customers. The truth is, I really don't give a damn if I provide quality internet at a more than reasonable price to people who are jerks to us. Life is too short. I'm a nice guy, (Too nice, so says Gene Kelly... YO, GENE!) I'm done with unreasonable, pushy people. They need to sign a I Won't Be A Jerk agreement. And yes, I'm making one. Enjoy. Bob- - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] An Old Woman That as good as the old man who asked my installer if he was spending the night since its so late! On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: An old woman yelled at me tonight. It's Ten O'clock, it's time to come down! I work 24 hours a day. Old woman pissed me of. Had to share. Almost took my anenna home with m. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Painting
I've used the krylon pain for plastic on the UV rated black cable and it seems to cover and stick very well. Weathered perfectly over the winter, no cracking or flaking at all. The latex, I would bet, will start to come off in a short time depending on the freeze and thaw. Bob- - Original Message - From: Steven G McGehee stev...@qx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:56 PM Subject: [WISPA] Painting Had a question about painting outdoor ethernet cable -- we've actually never had to do it before, but did today for a particular install that required us transitioning from one flat roof straight down to another flat roof about 35ft below. The brick was near-white, our cable was black, so I went with a nearly matching an exterior latex paint and it seemed to take to the Mohawk outdoor ethernet cable well. My question is, is Krylon (I think that's the name) spray paint a better option than exterior latex paint applied heavily with a brush? I'm not concerned with cost since this was a rare occasion for us, and it didn't take too long to paint with a brush. I'm just wanting to find the best method to ensure the cable stays painted for as long as possible in the weather. Thanks. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman
Regretfully no. I went the other route, was so overly nice and respectful (Almost to the edge of sarcasim) I'm sure they felt like total jerks, or at least normal folk would. A big smile on my face and a saws-all in my hand. But I was worked up, I can tell ya that. Bob- - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman Did you actually tell them YOUR FIRED ??? Congrats if you did, I know we've all wanted to do that at times to certain customers... Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 9:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman Ah... But it got better today. This customer was the ONLY one on a very NEW AP. Teenage grandson begged and begged to be installed. I never install a paying customer until I test and test and tweak with a volunteer and it's perfect and near bullet proof. But Josh begs and I bend the rules. Told my cousin, who was my volunteer, I'd be back after I get this kid all fixed up. So I go to boys house. Lives with grandparents. The place is like a postcard. Very unbelievably anal. Calculations put me 20 feet up for bottom of Fresnel. Grandpa says Nope, can't put it on the house. (2 story, tall place) No antenna tower... Well too bad then. But Josh, 15, makes the sad story to me so I bend again and spring for a 4 foot hole, 6 bags of cement, 40 foot mast, ect.. Way out back behind the shed. Tell them all it will take probably a week to get it all set to be perfect. Well here it is, been a week. Of course, grandma yells at me last night, has a big attitude. Today, boy calls, Internet not working Attitude again. (I'm monitoring all day, problem is obviously is with his PC) I remind him that old man said no house mount (has a very nice big chimney to clam on to) and I was monitoring the signal all day today, and I was. Has a -74 ALL DAY! He's 7 miles out with trees But still very good signal. So teen boy, Josh tells me Grandpa said that if you don't come out right now to fix it you need to come tomorrow and take everything out including the pole because it's UNRELIABLE Oppps! Said the wrong thing. I closed the store, went home and picked up my saws all, drove out... Pulled out the big cable cutters Josh boy comes over on his ATV What ya think is wrong? I say... I'm sorry, grandpa says we're unreliable so I'm just gonna help you all out and take it all down. Deer eyes in the headlights. Bluff called. Cut the cable, took down top section. Grandpa comes out. Sorry we weren't reliable sir, I told you it would take about a week but I don't want to cause you anymore pain. Uh, uh, uh... He says. Sawsall. Last section. Josh, can you go get me the power injector and power supply? Okay... In and out. YOU'RE FIRED! I'm working on a clause in our terms of service concerning Unreasonable Customers. From now on, I reserve the right to fire unreasonable customers. The truth is, I really don't give a damn if I provide quality internet at a more than reasonable price to people who are jerks to us. Life is too short. I'm a nice guy, (Too nice, so says Gene Kelly... YO, GENE!) I'm done with unreasonable, pushy people. They need to sign a I Won't Be A Jerk agreement. And yes, I'm making one. Enjoy. Bob- - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] An Old Woman That as good as the old man who asked my installer if he was spending the night since its so late! On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: An old woman yelled at me tonight. It's Ten O'clock, it's time to come down! I work 24 hours a day. Old woman pissed me of. Had to share. Almost took my anenna home with m. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Painting
Sorry I'm not answering your question but I had to mention this... Don't you find it odd that people always try to hide our stuff? Poles, antennas, ethernet cables etc.. Then you look right there to the left and theres the power company giant ugly wires coming from the pole to the large rusty pole on the building, the large solver box with the meter below etc. To the right is the cable company wires running across the entire roof from the far side down the wall around the gutter then through the hole the guy drilled behind the phone closet. Then there are the phone wires etc Is this not logical or is it just me :) They want us to make it invisible but don't care what the cable, power or phone companies do. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Steven G McGehee stev...@qx.net Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:56 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Painting Had a question about painting outdoor ethernet cable -- we've actually never had to do it before, but did today for a particular install that required us transitioning from one flat roof straight down to another flat roof about 35ft below. The brick was near-white, our cable was black, so I went with a nearly matching an exterior latex paint and it seemed to take to the Mohawk outdoor ethernet cable well. My question is, is Krylon (I think that's the name) spray paint a better option than exterior latex paint applied heavily with a brush? I'm not concerned with cost since this was a rare occasion for us, and it didn't take too long to paint with a brush. I'm just wanting to find the best method to ensure the cable stays painted for as long as possible in the weather. Thanks. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Documentation Methods
Thought of another question I wanted to pose to you gents regarding documentation on installations, primarily customer installations (as opposed to PoP/tower installations). I was curious what methods you employed during and/or after the install to best 'capture' the details of the installation. For example, some of the things we do are take notes of any specific 'gotchas' on site like needing to park in a certain area, what type of ladder or roof access there is, if you have to sign in or be escorted by a rep. of the business - etc. We also take photos of the installation when we're finished and write up notes afterwards on their account detailing the length and path of the cable that goes from the unit into the structure, what other PoPs we could see at the time, what signal/speeds we were getting, etc. If any of you would share your methods on what you do, I'd appreciate it. I think we're doing enough, but I'm always open to other suggestions and interested in seeing what others in the business are doing. Thanks. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Painting
Or the DirectTV install bolted right to the roof on the front of the house with cables drapped everywhere. But we are held to a higher standard. The Internets are to be elegant and stylish. Did you not get the memo? Bob- - Original Message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Painting Sorry I'm not answering your question but I had to mention this... Don't you find it odd that people always try to hide our stuff? Poles, antennas, ethernet cables etc.. Then you look right there to the left and theres the power company giant ugly wires coming from the pole to the large rusty pole on the building, the large solver box with the meter below etc. To the right is the cable company wires running across the entire roof from the far side down the wall around the gutter then through the hole the guy drilled behind the phone closet. Then there are the phone wires etc Is this not logical or is it just me :) They want us to make it invisible but don't care what the cable, power or phone companies do. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Steven G McGehee stev...@qx.net Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:56 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Painting Had a question about painting outdoor ethernet cable -- we've actually never had to do it before, but did today for a particular install that required us transitioning from one flat roof straight down to another flat roof about 35ft below. The brick was near-white, our cable was black, so I went with a nearly matching an exterior latex paint and it seemed to take to the Mohawk outdoor ethernet cable well. My question is, is Krylon (I think that's the name) spray paint a better option than exterior latex paint applied heavily with a brush? I'm not concerned with cost since this was a rare occasion for us, and it didn't take too long to paint with a brush. I'm just wanting to find the best method to ensure the cable stays painted for as long as possible in the weather. Thanks. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Painting
Haha, that's a good point. One of the criteria we look at during site surveys is how can we best position the mount/unit for optimal performance but also least visibility from the ground? We're always trying to keep it hidden from the street or parking lot. Also thanks for the response Bob -- in about a year or so we'll probably check back to see if that cable is visible. It's somewhat hard to explain, but the cable sits far back enough from the parking lot/front of the building and there are so many other objects to look at that I wonder how truly noticeable our 24 gauge cable would be against the building if the latex coat did wear off shrugs -- time will tell, but I think if this comes up in the future we'll definitely go Krylon. Thanks. Scott Carullo wrote: Sorry I'm not answering your question but I had to mention this... Don't you find it odd that people always try to hide our stuff? Poles, antennas, ethernet cables etc.. Then you look right there to the left and theres the power company giant ugly wires coming from the pole to the large rusty pole on the building, the large solver box with the meter below etc. To the right is the cable company wires running across the entire roof from the far side down the wall around the gutter then through the hole the guy drilled behind the phone closet. Then there are the phone wires etc Is this not logical or is it just me :) They want us to make it invisible but don't care what the cable, power or phone companies do. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Steven G McGehee stev...@qx.net Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:56 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Painting Had a question about painting outdoor ethernet cable -- we've actually never had to do it before, but did today for a particular install that required us transitioning from one flat roof straight down to another flat roof about 35ft below. The brick was near-white, our cable was black, so I went with a nearly matching an exterior latex paint and it seemed to take to the Mohawk outdoor ethernet cable well. My question is, is Krylon (I think that's the name) spray paint a better option than exterior latex paint applied heavily with a brush? I'm not concerned with cost since this was a rare occasion for us, and it didn't take too long to paint with a brush. I'm just wanting to find the best method to ensure the cable stays painted for as long as possible in the weather. Thanks. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Documentation Methods
I take digital pictures and attach them to the customer master billing record. Josh gave me that idea which should have been a no brainer. As you also said, any other relevent info is added such as Stupid dog or don't accept a cookie (don't ask) Bob- Again. - Original Message - From: Steven G McGehee stev...@qx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:05 PM Subject: [WISPA] Documentation Methods Thought of another question I wanted to pose to you gents regarding documentation on installations, primarily customer installations (as opposed to PoP/tower installations). I was curious what methods you employed during and/or after the install to best 'capture' the details of the installation. For example, some of the things we do are take notes of any specific 'gotchas' on site like needing to park in a certain area, what type of ladder or roof access there is, if you have to sign in or be escorted by a rep. of the business - etc. We also take photos of the installation when we're finished and write up notes afterwards on their account detailing the length and path of the cable that goes from the unit into the structure, what other PoPs we could see at the time, what signal/speeds we were getting, etc. If any of you would share your methods on what you do, I'd appreciate it. I think we're doing enough, but I'm always open to other suggestions and interested in seeing what others in the business are doing. Thanks. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Documentation Methods
You should add (in my opinion): (1) photo of installation location BEFORE you do the install, not just a post install photo. (2) a sign-off from the customer saying your installation was acceptable. That goes a LONG ways when the wife gets home and complains. You got the husband's sign-off (or vice versa). Chuck On Apr 22, 2010, at 11:05 PM, Steven G McGehee wrote: Thought of another question I wanted to pose to you gents regarding documentation on installations, primarily customer installations (as opposed to PoP/tower installations). I was curious what methods you employed during and/or after the install to best 'capture' the details of the installation. For example, some of the things we do are take notes of any specific 'gotchas' on site like needing to park in a certain area, what type of ladder or roof access there is, if you have to sign in or be escorted by a rep. of the business - etc. We also take photos of the installation when we're finished and write up notes afterwards on their account detailing the length and path of the cable that goes from the unit into the structure, what other PoPs we could see at the time, what signal/speeds we were getting, etc. If any of you would share your methods on what you do, I'd appreciate it. I think we're doing enough, but I'm always open to other suggestions and interested in seeing what others in the business are doing. Thanks. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman
Thats funny, but we can relate. I like the one where the people call and tell us we hijacked their computer and we can't do that and how they are going to call (whoever). The only page their computer can open is our hotspot page cause no matter where they go they get redirected to our friendly *pay here* page. We nicely explain that no that is not the case and obviously they are unable to operate their computer properly, but we can help. Its their next words that cause a sudden cease of communication or a walk through of how to disconnect from an access point... Their choice :) I've seen it go both ways more than once... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:03 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman Regretfully no. I went the other route, was so overly nice and respectful (Almost to the edge of sarcasim) I'm sure they felt like total jerks, or at least normal folk would. A big smile on my face and a saws-all in my hand. But I was worked up, I can tell ya that. Bob- - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman Did you actually tell them YOUR FIRED ??? Congrats if you did, I know we've all wanted to do that at times to certain customers... Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 9:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman Ah... But it got better today. This customer was the ONLY one on a very NEW AP. Teenage grandson begged and begged to be installed. I never install a paying customer until I test and test and tweak with a volunteer and it's perfect and near bullet proof. But Josh begs and I bend the rules. Told my cousin, who was my volunteer, I'd be back after I get this kid all fixed up. So I go to boys house. Lives with grandparents. The place is like a postcard. Very unbelievably anal. Calculations put me 20 feet up for bottom of Fresnel. Grandpa says Nope, can't put it on the house. (2 story, tall place) No antenna tower... Well too bad then. But Josh, 15, makes the sad story to me so I bend again and spring for a 4 foot hole, 6 bags of cement, 40 foot mast, ect.. Way out back behind the shed. Tell them all it will take probably a week to get it all set to be perfect. Well here it is, been a week. Of course, grandma yells at me last night, has a big attitude. Today, boy calls, Internet not working Attitude again. (I'm monitoring all day, problem is obviously is with his PC) I remind him that old man said no house mount (has a very nice big chimney to clam on to) and I was monitoring the signal all day today, and I was. Has a -74 ALL DAY! He's 7 miles out with trees But still very good signal. So teen boy, Josh tells me Grandpa said that if you don't come out right now to fix it you need to come tomorrow and take everything out including the pole because it's UNRELIABLE Oppps! Said the wrong thing. I closed the store, went home and picked up my saws all, drove out... Pulled out the big cable cutters Josh boy comes over on his ATV What ya think is wrong? I say... I'm sorry, grandpa says we're unreliable so I'm just gonna help you all out and take it all down. Deer eyes in the headlights. Bluff called. Cut the cable, took down top section. Grandpa comes out. Sorry we weren't reliable sir, I told you it would take about a week but I don't want to cause you anymore pain. Uh, uh, uh... He says. Sawsall. Last section. Josh, can you go get me the power injector and power supply? Okay... In and out. YOU'RE FIRED! I'm working on a clause in our terms of service concerning Unreasonable Customers. From now on, I reserve the right to fire unreasonable customers. The truth is, I really don't give a damn if I provide quality internet at a more than reasonable price to people who are jerks to us. Life is too short. I'm a nice guy, (Too nice, so says Gene Kelly... YO, GENE!) I'm done with unreasonable, pushy people. They need to sign a I Won't Be A Jerk agreement. And yes, I'm making one. Enjoy. Bob- - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] An Old Woman That as good as
Re: [WISPA] Documentation Methods
OH! Something I recently started doing, a signed OK for any hole drilled BEFORE it's drilled. A suggestion from my insurance boy., Sounded like a good idea. - Original Message - From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Documentation Methods You should add (in my opinion): (1) photo of installation location BEFORE you do the install, not just a post install photo. (2) a sign-off from the customer saying your installation was acceptable. That goes a LONG ways when the wife gets home and complains. You got the husband's sign-off (or vice versa). Chuck On Apr 22, 2010, at 11:05 PM, Steven G McGehee wrote: Thought of another question I wanted to pose to you gents regarding documentation on installations, primarily customer installations (as opposed to PoP/tower installations). I was curious what methods you employed during and/or after the install to best 'capture' the details of the installation. For example, some of the things we do are take notes of any specific 'gotchas' on site like needing to park in a certain area, what type of ladder or roof access there is, if you have to sign in or be escorted by a rep. of the business - etc. We also take photos of the installation when we're finished and write up notes afterwards on their account detailing the length and path of the cable that goes from the unit into the structure, what other PoPs we could see at the time, what signal/speeds we were getting, etc. If any of you would share your methods on what you do, I'd appreciate it. I think we're doing enough, but I'm always open to other suggestions and interested in seeing what others in the business are doing. Thanks. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Documentation Methods
And photos of any problems you see that they will want you to own after your within 50 feet of them... you know... the pool pump that worked fine before you got there (actually had a guy once tell me our gear of the condo 150ft up caused his pool pump to stop working lol... I take pictures of cracks, rotten wood, scratches etc... prior. But then i leave them on my phone and forget where they belong. I should be more responsible lol... Oh well good intentions never hurt. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:14 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Documentation Methods You should add (in my opinion): (1) photo of installation location BEFORE you do the install, not just a post install photo. (2) a sign-off from the customer saying your installation was acceptable. That goes a LONG ways when the wife gets home and complains. You got the husband's sign-off (or vice versa). Chuck On Apr 22, 2010, at 11:05 PM, Steven G McGehee wrote: Thought of another question I wanted to pose to you gents regarding documentation on installations, primarily customer installations (as opposed to PoP/tower installations). I was curious what methods you employed during and/or after the install to best 'capture' the details of the installation. For example, some of the things we do are take notes of any specific 'gotchas' on site like needing to park in a certain area, what type of ladder or roof access there is, if you have to sign in or be escorted by a rep. of the business - etc. We also take photos of the installation when we're finished and write up notes afterwards on their account detailing the length and path of the cable that goes from the unit into the structure, what other PoPs we could see at the time, what signal/speeds we were getting, etc. If any of you would share your methods on what you do, I'd appreciate it. I think we're doing enough, but I'm always open to other suggestions and interested in seeing what others in the business are doing. Thanks. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Documentation Methods
Next your going to have your camera man go with you to record the whole adventure complete with audio... I always like answering the (does it work in bad weather) and (how big is the antenna) questions. A1 - as long as it doesn't rain too hard...(always like their expression, I'm in FL) and A2 - its just a regular 12 foot satellite dish, you know the ones you have seen in peoples yard for satellite tv sits right up there on your roof, no worries we have very large screws that drill right down into the roof into the trusses... lol Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Documentation Methods OH! Something I recently started doing, a signed OK for any hole drilled BEFORE it's drilled. A suggestion from my insurance boy., Sounded like a good idea. - Original Message - From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Documentation Methods You should add (in my opinion): (1) photo of installation location BEFORE you do the install, not just a post install photo. (2) a sign-off from the customer saying your installation was acceptable. That goes a LONG ways when the wife gets home and complains. You got the husband's sign-off (or vice versa). Chuck On Apr 22, 2010, at 11:05 PM, Steven G McGehee wrote: Thought of another question I wanted to pose to you gents regarding documentation on installations, primarily customer installations (as opposed to PoP/tower installations). I was curious what methods you employed during and/or after the install to best 'capture' the details of the installation. For example, some of the things we do are take notes of any specific 'gotchas' on site like needing to park in a certain area, what type of ladder or roof access there is, if you have to sign in or be escorted by a rep. of the business - etc. We also take photos of the installation when we're finished and write up notes afterwards on their account detailing the length and path of the cable that goes from the unit into the structure, what other PoPs we could see at the time, what signal/speeds we were getting, etc. If any of you would share your methods on what you do, I'd appreciate it. I think we're doing enough, but I'm always open to other suggestions and interested in seeing what others in the business are doing. Thanks. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Documentation Methods
I like it. - Original Message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Documentation Methods Next your going to have your camera man go with you to record the whole adventure complete with audio... I always like answering the (does it work in bad weather) and (how big is the antenna) questions. A1 - as long as it doesn't rain too hard...(always like their expression, I'm in FL) and A2 - its just a regular 12 foot satellite dish, you know the ones you have seen in peoples yard for satellite tv sits right up there on your roof, no worries we have very large screws that drill right down into the roof into the trusses... lol Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Documentation Methods OH! Something I recently started doing, a signed OK for any hole drilled BEFORE it's drilled. A suggestion from my insurance boy., Sounded like a good idea. - Original Message - From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Documentation Methods You should add (in my opinion): (1) photo of installation location BEFORE you do the install, not just a post install photo. (2) a sign-off from the customer saying your installation was acceptable. That goes a LONG ways when the wife gets home and complains. You got the husband's sign-off (or vice versa). Chuck On Apr 22, 2010, at 11:05 PM, Steven G McGehee wrote: Thought of another question I wanted to pose to you gents regarding documentation on installations, primarily customer installations (as opposed to PoP/tower installations). I was curious what methods you employed during and/or after the install to best 'capture' the details of the installation. For example, some of the things we do are take notes of any specific 'gotchas' on site like needing to park in a certain area, what type of ladder or roof access there is, if you have to sign in or be escorted by a rep. of the business - etc. We also take photos of the installation when we're finished and write up notes afterwards on their account detailing the length and path of the cable that goes from the unit into the structure, what other PoPs we could see at the time, what signal/speeds we were getting, etc. If any of you would share your methods on what you do, I'd appreciate it. I think we're doing enough, but I'm always open to other suggestions and interested in seeing what others in the business are doing. Thanks. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless
Re: [WISPA] Documentation Methods
haha, yeah we're considering shoulder cams. I'd love to see some installs from a first person, Blair Witch kind of perspective. lol, jk. Scott Carullo wrote: Next your going to have your camera man go with you to record the whole adventure complete with audio... I always like answering the (does it work in bad weather) and (how big is the antenna) questions. A1 - as long as it doesn't rain too hard...(always like their expression, I'm in FL) and A2 - its just a regular 12 foot satellite dish, you know the ones you have seen in peoples yard for satellite tv sits right up there on your roof, no worries we have very large screws that drill right down into the roof into the trusses... lol Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Documentation Methods OH! Something I recently started doing, a signed OK for any hole drilled BEFORE it's drilled. A suggestion from my insurance boy., Sounded like a good idea. - Original Message - From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Documentation Methods You should add (in my opinion): (1) photo of installation location BEFORE you do the install, not just a post install photo. (2) a sign-off from the customer saying your installation was acceptable. That goes a LONG ways when the wife gets home and complains. You got the husband's sign-off (or vice versa). Chuck On Apr 22, 2010, at 11:05 PM, Steven G McGehee wrote: Thought of another question I wanted to pose to you gents regarding documentation on installations, primarily customer installations (as opposed to PoP/tower installations). I was curious what methods you employed during and/or after the install to best 'capture' the details of the installation. For example, some of the things we do are take notes of any specific 'gotchas' on site like needing to park in a certain area, what type of ladder or roof access there is, if you have to sign in or be escorted by a rep. of the business - etc. We also take photos of the installation when we're finished and write up notes afterwards on their account detailing the length and path of the cable that goes from the unit into the structure, what other PoPs we could see at the time, what signal/speeds we were getting, etc. If any of you would share your methods on what you do, I'd appreciate it. I think we're doing enough, but I'm always open to other suggestions and interested in seeing what others in the business are doing. Thanks. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
[WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods
Birds suck. Bird crap all over the new sectors, grids, everything. Tired of coming home smelling of bird crap. I prefer my usual stink. Is anyone using the plastic owls or any other weird thing to keep those flying crap machines off the AP's? i think of it everytime I climb a grain leg but never do anything about it. This is the year! Oh, and racoons. One AP is a 100 foot grain bin with steps up the side. Racoon poop (i only imagine that it what it is) on every other step. That I can deal with, I have kids afterall. But the birds just need to stop. Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods
Use old CDs. Using fishing line tie them close to the antennas and let then hang and move in the wind. Birds not like the reflection of light. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-831-8881 www.dslbyair.com - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods Birds suck. Bird crap all over the new sectors, grids, everything. Tired of coming home smelling of bird crap. I prefer my usual stink. Is anyone using the plastic owls or any other weird thing to keep those flying crap machines off the AP's? i think of it everytime I climb a grain leg but never do anything about it. This is the year! Oh, and racoons. One AP is a 100 foot grain bin with steps up the side. Racoon poop (i only imagine that it what it is) on every other step. That I can deal with, I have kids afterall. But the birds just need to stop. Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2829 - Release Date: 04/22/10 13:31:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods
The bird poop on the owls around here would indicate one of two things... they don't work, or there is some smart ones here in the south. A gun works better, at least for the smart ones. Heck, an owl and a gun your covered... keep the dumb ones and the smart ones away. Look at it this way, when the used stuff shows up that you bought on ebay with bird poop you know it was being used just like they said it was. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:36 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods Birds suck. Bird crap all over the new sectors, grids, everything. Tired of coming home smelling of bird crap. I prefer my usual stink. Is anyone using the plastic owls or any other weird thing to keep those flying crap machines off the AP's? i think of it everytime I climb a grain leg but never do anything about it. This is the year! Oh, and racoons. One AP is a 100 foot grain bin with steps up the side. Racoon poop (i only imagine that it what it is) on every other step. That I can deal with, I have kids afterall. But the birds just need to stop. Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods
We don't have a major problem with that thankfully, but I will say a nearby tower uses one of those small (I think it's roughly 6 cube-shaped) boxes that make an awful bird cawing racket every few minutes. It can startle humans as well as birds if you're close enough to it :-) Robert West wrote: Birds suck. Bird crap all over the new sectors, grids, everything. Tired of coming home smelling of bird crap. I prefer my usual stink. Is anyone using the plastic owls or any other weird thing to keep those flying crap machines off the AP's? i think of it everytime I climb a grain leg but never do anything about it. This is the year! Oh, and racoons. One AP is a 100 foot grain bin with steps up the side. Racoon poop (i only imagine that it what it is) on every other step. That I can deal with, I have kids afterall. But the birds just need to stop. Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods
psst.. Joe didn't get the hide your antenna memo either he's got CD's blowing in the wind. But then again maybe I'll tell my customers that if we paint the cable or try to hide it the birds will poke holes in it cause it looks like a worm where it gets scratched... Oh yeah... and that antenna on the front of the roof we have to put it there so the FCC inspector can inspect it while driving by its the law. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:41 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods Use old CDs. Using fishing line tie them close to the antennas and let then hang and move in the wind. Birds not like the reflection of light. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-831-8881 www.dslbyair.com - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods Birds suck. Bird crap all over the new sectors, grids, everything. Tired of coming home smelling of bird crap. I prefer my usual stink. Is anyone using the plastic owls or any other weird thing to keep those flying crap machines off the AP's? i think of it everytime I climb a grain leg but never do anything about it. This is the year! Oh, and racoons. One AP is a 100 foot grain bin with steps up the side. Racoon poop (i only imagine that it what it is) on every other step. That I can deal with, I have kids afterall. But the birds just need to stop. Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2829 - Release Date: 04/22/10 13:31:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Couple more questions for the 11Ghz folks
Hi, I assume you have had path analysis done already? Like by Trango or Dragonwave or whomever equipment you are considering for this project? What do their numbers show for availability? Honestly, a 30 mile link using 11ghz in Florida seems a little scary to me. I have some 18ghz links using a 4ft and 2ft dish going 32 miles and we experience rain-fade during our heavy rain storms... and considering we are technically in a desert climate, it makes me wonder about your links. (BTW, that's with my link running at the lowest modulation already, and they still drop out during the heavy storms). Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Spending over 10K for a link (or anything for that matter) causes me to do a bit more homework than usual when I'm dealing with something I am not familiar with So more questions... Thanks ahead for your time I appreciate any info provided. Looking for generic 11Ghz answers - not related specifically to any manufacturer. Two links in question, one 20 miles and one 30 miles. 18db output 40.4 db dish (4ft) 900ft tower to 300ft tower both instances 900ft tower in middle with one link east one west. Calculations show just under 700 watts EIRP How much is the rain going to affect me... I have no experience with 11Ghz and would really like a firm grasp on what happens to my link(s) when the rain starts. I understand the Trango Apex which I'm looking at can dynamically adjust speeds to account for some fade - exactly how much I'm not sure. Any real world info would really help me at this point. I guess I'm looking for good news :) but I need to hear the bad as well if it is reality. Next question is for temp inversions. I have never had equipment higher than about 350ft so the 900ft is a bit new for me. I'm assuming that the angle different from going from 300ft to 300ft vs. 900ft to 300ft would be a small portion of a degree difference so I'm not expecting anything different here. Confirm this really won't make a difference for me as I suspect... I'm not going over much water, just St. Johns river mostly marsh but it does cause differences in temp above the water. Does 11Ghz behave the same as 5Ghz for inversions? Worse, better? 5Ghz around here sways a lot actually if you look at RSSI graphs. Anything else I might want to know, understand, be warned about etc? Remember back to your first 10K + link :) That's me now... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods
Nice. I could probably use some of my kids game discs that no longer work although they always take care of them and put them where they belong. I like it. - Original Message - From: Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods Use old CDs. Using fishing line tie them close to the antennas and let then hang and move in the wind. Birds not like the reflection of light. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-831-8881 www.dslbyair.com - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods Birds suck. Bird crap all over the new sectors, grids, everything. Tired of coming home smelling of bird crap. I prefer my usual stink. Is anyone using the plastic owls or any other weird thing to keep those flying crap machines off the AP's? i think of it everytime I climb a grain leg but never do anything about it. This is the year! Oh, and racoons. One AP is a 100 foot grain bin with steps up the side. Racoon poop (i only imagine that it what it is) on every other step. That I can deal with, I have kids afterall. But the birds just need to stop. Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2829 - Release Date: 04/22/10 13:31:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Couple more questions for the 11Ghz folks
I guess my question would be whether the 6Ghz difference between 5gig and 11gig is as much different from 11gig to 18gig... Seams to me just guessing that 11gig and 18gig would act very differently for rain fade but then again I'm without any experience on either so I'm just probing for answers... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:58 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Couple more questions for the 11Ghz folks Hi, I assume you have had path analysis done already? Like by Trango or Dragonwave or whomever equipment you are considering for this project? What do their numbers show for availability? Honestly, a 30 mile link using 11ghz in Florida seems a little scary to me. I have some 18ghz links using a 4ft and 2ft dish going 32 miles and we experience rain-fade during our heavy rain storms... and considering we are technically in a desert climate, it makes me wonder about your links. (BTW, that's with my link running at the lowest modulation already, and they still drop out during the heavy storms). Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Spending over 10K for a link (or anything for that matter) causes me to do a bit more homework than usual when I'm dealing with something I am not familiar with So more questions... Thanks ahead for your time I appreciate any info provided. Looking for generic 11Ghz answers - not related specifically to any manufacturer. Two links in question, one 20 miles and one 30 miles. 18db output 40.4 db dish (4ft) 900ft tower to 300ft tower both instances 900ft tower in middle with one link east one west. Calculations show just under 700 watts EIRP How much is the rain going to affect me... I have no experience with 11Ghz and would really like a firm grasp on what happens to my link(s) when the rain starts. I understand the Trango Apex which I'm looking at can dynamically adjust speeds to account for some fade - exactly how much I'm not sure. Any real world info would really help me at this point. I guess I'm looking for good news :) but I need to hear the bad as well if it is reality. Next question is for temp inversions. I have never had equipment higher than about 350ft so the 900ft is a bit new for me. I'm assuming that the angle different from going from 300ft to 300ft vs. 900ft to 300ft would be a small portion of a degree difference so I'm not expecting anything different here. Confirm this really won't make a difference for me as I suspect... I'm not going over much water, just St. Johns river mostly marsh but it does cause differences in temp above the water. Does 11Ghz behave the same as 5Ghz for inversions? Worse, better? 5Ghz around here sways a lot actually if you look at RSSI graphs. Anything else I might want to know, understand, be warned about etc? Remember back to your first 10K + link :) That's me now... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?)
Once the warranty is up on the hardware, you can basically do whatever you want with it. So long as the card works with the eepro100 or eepro1000 Linux driver, it will load just fine on an Imagestream router. Some fiber cards fall into that category also ;) But, regardless of who makes your router it is usually a good idea to buy parts from the manufacturer, or make sure that adding 3rd party stuff doesn't void your warranty. That being said, I believe they are using the Intel Pro/1000 PT server cards in the newer equipment (PCI Express). Those server cards do provide the performance from what I've seen and they average about $115 at various retailers. http://www.intel.com/products/server/adapters/pro1000pt/pro1000pt-overview.h tm On 4/22/10 10:19 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: It was a standard card, I did the same thing Travis. Its all a matter of supporting and having support for the product which was one of the main reasons for using their routers - the support was excellent. I understand paying more for the parts supports the company who supports me. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) When I purchased the card from IS several years ago, it was a plain ol' Intel Desktop card. I matched the EXACT model number and purchased an additional card for a spare. At the time, they were EXACTLY the same cards (unless you think IS is making chip or firmware changes on the card itself?) Travis Microserv Butch Evans wrote: On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 13:27 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: I will like to know what the part costs from Imagestream as Newegg charges $45. That is not the same card that IS sells, by the way. Just because you can purchase an Intel Ethernet card at $45, doesn't mean it is the same card with the same performance specs as the $200 card, which is also an Intel Ethernet card. :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Adam Kennedy Network Engineer Omnicity, Inc WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Couple more questions for the 11Ghz folks
Scott, For a 30 mile path in Florida with a 40dB fade margin the outage is predicted to be in excess of 20 hours. About 12 miles is the max I would use. Mike 831-659-5618 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 9:07 PM To: Travis Johnson; wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Couple more questions for the 11Ghz folks I guess my question would be whether the 6Ghz difference between 5gig and 11gig is as much different from 11gig to 18gig... Seams to me just guessing that 11gig and 18gig would act very differently for rain fade but then again I'm without any experience on either so I'm just probing for answers... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:58 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Couple more questions for the 11Ghz folks Hi, I assume you have had path analysis done already? Like by Trango or Dragonwave or whomever equipment you are considering for this project? What do their numbers show for availability? Honestly, a 30 mile link using 11ghz in Florida seems a little scary to me. I have some 18ghz links using a 4ft and 2ft dish going 32 miles and we experience rain-fade during our heavy rain storms... and considering we are technically in a desert climate, it makes me wonder about your links. (BTW, that's with my link running at the lowest modulation already, and they still drop out during the heavy storms). Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Spending over 10K for a link (or anything for that matter) causes me to do a bit more homework than usual when I'm dealing with something I am not familiar with So more questions... Thanks ahead for your time I appreciate any info provided. Looking for generic 11Ghz answers - not related specifically to any manufacturer. Two links in question, one 20 miles and one 30 miles. 18db output 40.4 db dish (4ft) 900ft tower to 300ft tower both instances 900ft tower in middle with one link east one west. Calculations show just under 700 watts EIRP How much is the rain going to affect me... I have no experience with 11Ghz and would really like a firm grasp on what happens to my link(s) when the rain starts. I understand the Trango Apex which I'm looking at can dynamically adjust speeds to account for some fade - exactly how much I'm not sure. Any real world info would really help me at this point. I guess I'm looking for good news :) but I need to hear the bad as well if it is reality. Next question is for temp inversions. I have never had equipment higher than about 350ft so the 900ft is a bit new for me. I'm assuming that the angle different from going from 300ft to 300ft vs. 900ft to 300ft would be a small portion of a degree difference so I'm not expecting anything different here. Confirm this really won't make a difference for me as I suspect... I'm not going over much water, just St. Johns river mostly marsh but it does cause differences in temp above the water. Does 11Ghz behave the same as 5Ghz for inversions? Worse, better? 5Ghz around here sways a lot actually if you look at RSSI graphs. Anything else I might want to know, understand, be warned about etc? Remember back to your first 10K + link :) That's me now... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Painting
I take great pride in hiding my cables and making everything neat and clean. I often 'compete' with the Dish installers in the area. My work always looks better. ryan On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote: Sorry I'm not answering your question but I had to mention this... Don't you find it odd that people always try to hide our stuff? Poles, antennas, ethernet cables etc.. Then you look right there to the left and theres the power company giant ugly wires coming from the pole to the large rusty pole on the building, the large solver box with the meter below etc. To the right is the cable company wires running across the entire roof from the far side down the wall around the gutter then through the hole the guy drilled behind the phone closet. Then there are the phone wires etc Is this not logical or is it just me :) They want us to make it invisible but don't care what the cable, power or phone companies do. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Steven G McGehee stev...@qx.net Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:56 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Painting Had a question about painting outdoor ethernet cable -- we've actually never had to do it before, but did today for a particular install that required us transitioning from one flat roof straight down to another flat roof about 35ft below. The brick was near-white, our cable was black, so I went with a nearly matching an exterior latex paint and it seemed to take to the Mohawk outdoor ethernet cable well. My question is, is Krylon (I think that's the name) spray paint a better option than exterior latex paint applied heavily with a brush? I'm not concerned with cost since this was a rare occasion for us, and it didn't take too long to paint with a brush. I'm just wanting to find the best method to ensure the cable stays painted for as long as possible in the weather. Thanks. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
