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Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[Jon Auer]

Oh duh. That's line rate at 100M.
The chopped packets must have been a negotiation side effect from
going between 100M and Gig interfaces.
I feel much better about it now, and quite stilly to have missed that.


On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Rubens Kuhl  wrote:
>> Half duplex eth6 to eth7. Eth6 is master-port for eth7.
>> Frame Size, PPS
>> 64, 148810
>
> This is 100M, isn't it ? 1Gbps connection could provide more, I think.
>
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[Rubens Kuhl]

> Half duplex eth6 to eth7. Eth6 is master-port for eth7.
> Frame Size, PPS
> 64, 148810

This is 100M, isn't it ? 1Gbps connection could provide more, I think.


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Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[Jon Auer]

For the switch chip in the RB1100, I have some PPS numbers that I got
from testing with a Spirent test set (same gear Cisco, etc use to
determine their PPS numbers.)
Keep in mind I'm still learning it so there may be some problem in my
methodology. (Open SmartWindow, click test. :-) )

Half duplex eth6 to eth7. Eth6 is master-port for eth7.
Frame Size, PPS
64, 148810
128, 84459
256, 45290
512, 23496
1024, 11973
1280, 9615
1518, 8127

That part that makes me go WTF is I'm seeing lower 64 byte packet PPS
in switch mode than Mikrotik publishes for routing throughput.

The 64 byte PPS that I show is the highest that it would go without
getting malformed packets back from the RB1100. Odd things like
packets being chopped in half and emitted as two separate (invalid)
packets.

Running in full duplex mode just made things worse.

Again, I might have a bad test card (eBay :-( ) or be doing it wrong
so if anyone has their own numbers I'd love to see them. I just don't
trust the ones Mikrotik publishes.

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
>
> So here is a nice ref. document from Cisco, pps rating on their routers...
>  Take a look at the PPS rating and the Max Mbps, (you still have to
> consider Memory etc etc.).
>
> http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/downloads/765/tools/quickreference/routerperformance.pdf
>
> I am not aware of a similar document from Juniper, however one there
> product brochure they do list pps performance number. Keep in mind they
> do packet handling very different from CISCO, as such are able to handle
> traffic better.
>
> Using Google, some sites show RB1000 is capable of doing 199,000 pps
> with Connect track off... check the Cisco Chart... that is about 100Mbps
> of traffic.
>
> I cannot find the PPS rating on RB1100... so if you know would love to
> compare...
>
> Also, I would like to ask Dennis to let us know if he has any comparison
> of what the PowerRouters can handle...
>
> Regards.
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>
>
> On 9/8/2010 9:56 PM, Francois Menard wrote:
>> Even RB1100 ?
>>
>> That would be my choice. 399$ for 13 GigE ports...
>>
>> F.
>>
>> On 2010-09-08, at 8:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>>> Non of the sub $1000 appliances will cut the mustard at 300-500meg of
>>> traffic...  100meg no problem.
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>>>
>>> On 9/8/2010 8:44 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:
 vyatta has a $799 routing appliance that will work -
 pfsense - on hardware will do it for free - (what an amazing price)

 :-)


 On Sep 8, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

> Welcome to the Mid-range of traffic handling...
>
> There is nothing on the market place that is affordable that will do
> what you are looking for.
>
> Best thing you can do is deploy two devices.. a Gig Switch, pick your
> favorite vendor... and a Core Router for BGP
>
> For Core Router in the Cisco world you are looking at something with a
> G1 or G2 engine ... (7206vxr or small 7301) range $5k to 10K on the used
> market place.
>
> In Juniper Land... M10i or an M20 (if you like redundancy...) cost on
> the secondary markets about $8 to $10k
>
> You could use a Mikrotik Power Router.. cost $ 2500 to $5000
>
> Only the Cisco 7301 and Mikrotik are small and consume little power...
> Everything else is big and consumes power.
>
> Most common, cost efficient network design would be to use GigE Switches
> in a ring or your favorite network topology, with one or two Routers
> located at DataCenters or NOC...
>
>
> If you find some other solution, that can do what you are looking for,
> please share it with us, cause we have been looking too... what I am
> sharing above with you is what we have found so far.
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>
>
> On 9/8/2010 7:16 PM, Jon Auer wrote:
>> Needing full BGP routes takes you out of the realm of cheap Layer 3
>> switches...
>> You need to worry about TCAM (hardware route memory) in addition to
>> RAM on Layer 3 switches and apart from decked out Cisco 6500s or
>> greater you aren't going to find that.
>>
>> The Juniper MX80 should work. It is 2U and can have 48 GigE ports. You
>> should be able to get it for $30-50K.
>>
>> Alternatively you could try a multihop BGP setup like Cogent has been
>> known to do.
>> Setup one BGP session between the customer and your Layer 3 switch at
>> the tower. This carriers a route for your border router/route
>> reflector to the customer and vice versa.
>> Then setup a BGP session between the customer and your border
>> router/route reflector.
>>
>> Or you could drag MPLS into it but 2 simple BGP sessions seems like
>> the most straightforward solution to me.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Matt
>> Jenk

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[Francois Menard]

> I cannot find the PPS rating on RB1100... so if you know would love to 
> compare...
> 

Here

http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/routerboard_performance_tests.pdf

RB1100 says 121000 PPS @ 64 KBytes with Conntrack and Firewall (80 mbps) On and 
11 PPS @ 1500Bytes (1.3 gbps)

But again, this is a $400 box... 

F.

> Also, I would like to ask Dennis to let us know if he has any comparison 
> of what the PowerRouters can handle...
> 
> Regards.
> 
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 
> 
> On 9/8/2010 9:56 PM, Francois Menard wrote:
>> Even RB1100 ?
>> 
>> That would be my choice. 399$ for 13 GigE ports...
>> 
>> F.
>> 
>> On 2010-09-08, at 8:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> 
>>> Non of the sub $1000 appliances will cut the mustard at 300-500meg of
>>> traffic...  100meg no problem.
>>> 
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>>> 
>>> On 9/8/2010 8:44 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:
 vyatta has a $799 routing appliance that will work -
 pfsense - on hardware will do it for free - (what an amazing price)
 
 :-)
 
 
 On Sep 8, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
 
> Welcome to the Mid-range of traffic handling...
> 
> There is nothing on the market place that is affordable that will do
> what you are looking for.
> 
> Best thing you can do is deploy two devices.. a Gig Switch, pick your
> favorite vendor... and a Core Router for BGP
> 
> For Core Router in the Cisco world you are looking at something with a
> G1 or G2 engine ... (7206vxr or small 7301) range $5k to 10K on the used
> market place.
> 
> In Juniper Land... M10i or an M20 (if you like redundancy...) cost on
> the secondary markets about $8 to $10k
> 
> You could use a Mikrotik Power Router.. cost $ 2500 to $5000
> 
> Only the Cisco 7301 and Mikrotik are small and consume little power...
> Everything else is big and consumes power.
> 
> Most common, cost efficient network design would be to use GigE Switches
> in a ring or your favorite network topology, with one or two Routers
> located at DataCenters or NOC...
> 
> 
> If you find some other solution, that can do what you are looking for,
> please share it with us, cause we have been looking too... what I am
> sharing above with you is what we have found so far.
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
> 
> 
> On 9/8/2010 7:16 PM, Jon Auer wrote:
>> Needing full BGP routes takes you out of the realm of cheap Layer 3
>> switches...
>> You need to worry about TCAM (hardware route memory) in addition to
>> RAM on Layer 3 switches and apart from decked out Cisco 6500s or
>> greater you aren't going to find that.
>> 
>> The Juniper MX80 should work. It is 2U and can have 48 GigE ports. You
>> should be able to get it for $30-50K.
>> 
>> Alternatively you could try a multihop BGP setup like Cogent has been
>> known to do.
>> Setup one BGP session between the customer and your Layer 3 switch at
>> the tower. This carriers a route for your border router/route
>> reflector to the customer and vice versa.
>> Then setup a BGP session between the customer and your border
>> router/route reflector.
>> 
>> Or you could drag MPLS into it but 2 simple BGP sessions seems like
>> the most straightforward solution to me.
>> 
>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Matt
>> Jenkinsmailto:m...@smarterbroadband.net>>
>> wrote:
>>> I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T ports
>>> with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any
>>> suggestions?
>>> 
>>> For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls to
>>> support ~300mbps. In addition I need to be able to offer BGP connections
>>> to customers from this ring of backhauls.
>>> 
>>> - Matt
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Powerbridge M5 versus Nanobridge M5 ?

[Faisal Imtiaz]

No to be a smart ass... But it looks like we are going to learn from 
your experience... I don't think NBM5's have been around long enough
for a full winter cycle..

PBM5 is a nice  flat square panel.. but it is much larger than the 
NBM5.. more of a replacement for the 30in Rocket Dish than an 
alternative to NBM5.


:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom


On 9/8/2010 11:52 PM, Francois Menard wrote:
> I fear winter coming, and I have a location where a nanobridge M5 was used ?
>
> Any experience with ice build-up on a nanobridge without a radome ?
>
> I suppose this is the main reason for choosing a power bridge M5 and paying 
> the additional 200+$ per end.
>
> Opinion ?
>
> F.
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[Travis Johnson]

 Any of the X86 based systems are going to kill the RB platform we 
have an X86 system moving 500Mbps of traffic (400Mbps x 100Mbps) on a 
daily basis... connection tracking on, queues, NAT rules, etc. and the 
CPU runs at 11% all day long. :)


Travis
Microserv


On 9/8/2010 9:47 PM, RickG wrote:
That might be my next step. Interesting though - a couple years ago, I 
originally had a high end PC (for it's time - Athon 64 Dual-core X2 
4200+ with 4GB of memory) running RouterOS. Swapped it out for a 
RB450G and in my opinion, the little 450G kicked the PC's butt. So now 
I'm skeptical.


On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Jon Auer > wrote:


We've built Supermicro 1U Atom boxes for under $600 to use as DNS
servers.
That was with 2x 2.5 inch hard drives.
You'd probably run RouterOS off of a USB stick instead.
That would save you around $120.

Not much of a point to the RB1000 when a 1U Atom box is cheaper and
can run rings around it in throughput.

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:31 PM, RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I love mine but only pushin 20Mbps peak. Then again it was only
$700. How
> much can you build the Atom unit for?
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Travis Johnson mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote:
>>
>>  The RB1000 is not much of a router when under load. You can
build a 1u
>> ATOM based system for less money that has 4x the horsepower.
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>>
>> On 9/8/2010 9:20 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> > So here is a nice ref. document from Cisco, pps rating on their
>> > routers...
>> >Take a look at the PPS rating and the Max Mbps, (you still
have to
>> > consider Memory etc etc.).
>> >
>> >
>> >

http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/downloads/765/tools/quickreference/routerperformance.pdf
>> >
>> > I am not aware of a similar document from Juniper, however
one there
>> > product brochure they do list pps performance number. Keep in
mind they
>> > do packet handling very different from CISCO, as such are
able to handle
>> > traffic better.
>> >
>> > Using Google, some sites show RB1000 is capable of doing
199,000 pps
>> > with Connect track off... check the Cisco Chart... that is
about 100Mbps
>> > of traffic.
>> >
>> > I cannot find the PPS rating on RB1100... so if you know
would love to
>> > compare...
>> >
>> > Also, I would like to ask Dennis to let us know if he has any
comparison
>> > of what the PowerRouters can handle...
>> >
>> > Regards.
>> >
>> >
>> > Faisal Imtiaz
>> > Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>> >
>> >
>> > On 9/8/2010 9:56 PM, Francois Menard wrote:
>> >> Even RB1100 ?
>> >>
>> >> That would be my choice. 399$ for 13 GigE ports...
>> >>
>> >> F.
>> >>
>> >> On 2010-09-08, at 8:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Non of the sub $1000 appliances will cut the mustard at
300-500meg of
>> >>> traffic...  100meg no problem.
>> >>>
>> >>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> >>> Snappy Internet&   Telecom
>> >>>
>> >>> On 9/8/2010 8:44 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:
>>  vyatta has a $799 routing appliance that will work -
>>  pfsense - on hardware will do it for free - (what an
amazing price)
>> 
>>  :-)
>> 
>> 
>>  On Sep 8, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> 
>> > Welcome to the Mid-range of traffic handling...
>> >
>> > There is nothing on the market place that is affordable
that will do
>> > what you are looking for.
>> >
>> > Best thing you can do is deploy two devices.. a Gig
Switch, pick
>> > your
>> > favorite vendor... and a Core Router for BGP
>> >
>> > For Core Router in the Cisco world you are looking at
something with
>> > a
>> > G1 or G2 engine ... (7206vxr or small 7301) range $5k to
10K on the
>> > used
>> > market place.
>> >
>> > In Juniper Land... M10i or an M20 (if you like
redundancy...) cost
>> > on
>> > the secondary markets about $8 to $10k
>> >
>> > You could use a Mikrotik Power Router.. cost $ 2500 to $5000
>> >
>> > Only the Cisco 7301 and Mikrotik are small and consume little
>> > power...
>> > Everything else is big and consumes power.
>> >
>> > Most common, cost efficient network design would be to
use GigE
>> > Switches
>> > in a ring or your favorite network topology, with one or
two Routers
>> > located at DataCenters or NOC...
>> >
>> >
>> > If you find some other solution, that can do what you are
looking
>> > for,
>> > please share it with us

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[Travis Johnson]

 Last one I built was less than $400. CPU on the RB1000 was over 30% 
compared to 10% on the ATOM unit, exact same traffic.


Travis
Microserv


On 9/8/2010 9:31 PM, RickG wrote:
I love mine but only pushin 20Mbps peak. Then again it was only $700. 
How much can you build the Atom unit for?


On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Travis Johnson > wrote:


 The RB1000 is not much of a router when under load. You can build
a 1u
ATOM based system for less money that has 4x the horsepower.

Travis
Microserv


On 9/8/2010 9:20 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> So here is a nice ref. document from Cisco, pps rating on their
routers...
>Take a look at the PPS rating and the Max Mbps, (you still
have to
> consider Memory etc etc.).
>
>

http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/downloads/765/tools/quickreference/routerperformance.pdf
>
> I am not aware of a similar document from Juniper, however one there
> product brochure they do list pps performance number. Keep in
mind they
> do packet handling very different from CISCO, as such are able
to handle
> traffic better.
>
> Using Google, some sites show RB1000 is capable of doing 199,000 pps
> with Connect track off... check the Cisco Chart... that is about
100Mbps
> of traffic.
>
> I cannot find the PPS rating on RB1100... so if you know would
love to
> compare...
>
> Also, I would like to ask Dennis to let us know if he has any
comparison
> of what the PowerRouters can handle...
>
> Regards.
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>
>
> On 9/8/2010 9:56 PM, Francois Menard wrote:
>> Even RB1100 ?
>>
>> That would be my choice. 399$ for 13 GigE ports...
>>
>> F.
>>
>> On 2010-09-08, at 8:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>>> Non of the sub $1000 appliances will cut the mustard at
300-500meg of
>>> traffic...  100meg no problem.
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet&   Telecom
>>>
>>> On 9/8/2010 8:44 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:
 vyatta has a $799 routing appliance that will work -
 pfsense - on hardware will do it for free - (what an amazing
price)

 :-)


 On Sep 8, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

> Welcome to the Mid-range of traffic handling...
>
> There is nothing on the market place that is affordable that
will do
> what you are looking for.
>
> Best thing you can do is deploy two devices.. a Gig Switch,
pick your
> favorite vendor... and a Core Router for BGP
>
> For Core Router in the Cisco world you are looking at
something with a
> G1 or G2 engine ... (7206vxr or small 7301) range $5k to 10K
on the used
> market place.
>
> In Juniper Land... M10i or an M20 (if you like
redundancy...) cost on
> the secondary markets about $8 to $10k
>
> You could use a Mikrotik Power Router.. cost $ 2500 to $5000
>
> Only the Cisco 7301 and Mikrotik are small and consume
little power...
> Everything else is big and consumes power.
>
> Most common, cost efficient network design would be to use
GigE Switches
> in a ring or your favorite network topology, with one or two
Routers
> located at DataCenters or NOC...
>
>
> If you find some other solution, that can do what you are
looking for,
> please share it with us, cause we have been looking too...
what I am
> sharing above with you is what we have found so far.
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet&   Telecom
>
>
> On 9/8/2010 7:16 PM, Jon Auer wrote:
>> Needing full BGP routes takes you out of the realm of cheap
Layer 3
>> switches...
>> You need to worry about TCAM (hardware route memory) in
addition to
>> RAM on Layer 3 switches and apart from decked out Cisco
6500s or
>> greater you aren't going to find that.
>>
>> The Juniper MX80 should work. It is 2U and can have 48 GigE
ports. You
>> should be able to get it for $30-50K.
>>
>> Alternatively you could try a multihop BGP setup like
Cogent has been
>> known to do.
>> Setup one BGP session between the customer and your Layer 3
switch at
>> the tower. This carriers a route for your border router/route
>> reflector to the customer and vice versa.
>> Then setup a BGP session between the customer and your border
>> router/route reflector.
>>
>> Or you could drag MPLS into it but 2 simple BGP sessions
seems like
>> the most straightforward solution to

[WISPA] Powerbridge M5 versus Nanobridge M5 ?

[Francois Menard]

I fear winter coming, and I have a location where a nanobridge M5 was used ?

Any experience with ice build-up on a nanobridge without a radome ?

I suppose this is the main reason for choosing a power bridge M5 and paying the 
additional 200+$ per end.

Opinion ?

F.




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Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[RickG]

That might be my next step. Interesting though - a couple years ago, I
originally had a high end PC (for it's time - Athon 64 Dual-core X2 4200+
with 4GB of memory) running RouterOS. Swapped it out for a RB450G and in my
opinion, the little 450G kicked the PC's butt. So now I'm skeptical.

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Jon Auer  wrote:

> We've built Supermicro 1U Atom boxes for under $600 to use as DNS servers.
> That was with 2x 2.5 inch hard drives.
> You'd probably run RouterOS off of a USB stick instead.
> That would save you around $120.
>
> Not much of a point to the RB1000 when a 1U Atom box is cheaper and
> can run rings around it in throughput.
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:31 PM, RickG  wrote:
> > I love mine but only pushin 20Mbps peak. Then again it was only $700. How
> > much can you build the Atom unit for?
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
> >>
> >>  The RB1000 is not much of a router when under load. You can build a 1u
> >> ATOM based system for less money that has 4x the horsepower.
> >>
> >> Travis
> >> Microserv
> >>
> >>
> >> On 9/8/2010 9:20 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> >> > So here is a nice ref. document from Cisco, pps rating on their
> >> > routers...
> >> >Take a look at the PPS rating and the Max Mbps, (you still have to
> >> > consider Memory etc etc.).
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/downloads/765/tools/quickreference/routerperformance.pdf
> >> >
> >> > I am not aware of a similar document from Juniper, however one there
> >> > product brochure they do list pps performance number. Keep in mind
> they
> >> > do packet handling very different from CISCO, as such are able to
> handle
> >> > traffic better.
> >> >
> >> > Using Google, some sites show RB1000 is capable of doing 199,000 pps
> >> > with Connect track off... check the Cisco Chart... that is about
> 100Mbps
> >> > of traffic.
> >> >
> >> > I cannot find the PPS rating on RB1100... so if you know would love to
> >> > compare...
> >> >
> >> > Also, I would like to ask Dennis to let us know if he has any
> comparison
> >> > of what the PowerRouters can handle...
> >> >
> >> > Regards.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Faisal Imtiaz
> >> > Snappy Internet&  Telecom
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 9/8/2010 9:56 PM, Francois Menard wrote:
> >> >> Even RB1100 ?
> >> >>
> >> >> That would be my choice. 399$ for 13 GigE ports...
> >> >>
> >> >> F.
> >> >>
> >> >> On 2010-09-08, at 8:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Non of the sub $1000 appliances will cut the mustard at 300-500meg
> of
> >> >>> traffic...  100meg no problem.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Faisal Imtiaz
> >> >>> Snappy Internet&   Telecom
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 9/8/2010 8:44 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:
> >>  vyatta has a $799 routing appliance that will work -
> >>  pfsense - on hardware will do it for free - (what an amazing price)
> >> 
> >>  :-)
> >> 
> >> 
> >>  On Sep 8, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> >> 
> >> > Welcome to the Mid-range of traffic handling...
> >> >
> >> > There is nothing on the market place that is affordable that will
> do
> >> > what you are looking for.
> >> >
> >> > Best thing you can do is deploy two devices.. a Gig Switch, pick
> >> > your
> >> > favorite vendor... and a Core Router for BGP
> >> >
> >> > For Core Router in the Cisco world you are looking at something
> with
> >> > a
> >> > G1 or G2 engine ... (7206vxr or small 7301) range $5k to 10K on
> the
> >> > used
> >> > market place.
> >> >
> >> > In Juniper Land... M10i or an M20 (if you like redundancy...) cost
> >> > on
> >> > the secondary markets about $8 to $10k
> >> >
> >> > You could use a Mikrotik Power Router.. cost $ 2500 to $5000
> >> >
> >> > Only the Cisco 7301 and Mikrotik are small and consume little
> >> > power...
> >> > Everything else is big and consumes power.
> >> >
> >> > Most common, cost efficient network design would be to use GigE
> >> > Switches
> >> > in a ring or your favorite network topology, with one or two
> Routers
> >> > located at DataCenters or NOC...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > If you find some other solution, that can do what you are looking
> >> > for,
> >> > please share it with us, cause we have been looking too... what I
> am
> >> > sharing above with you is what we have found so far.
> >> >
> >> > Regards.
> >> >
> >> > Faisal Imtiaz
> >> > Snappy Internet&   Telecom
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 9/8/2010 7:16 PM, Jon Auer wrote:
> >> >> Needing full BGP routes takes you out of the realm of cheap Layer
> 3
> >> >> switches...
> >> >> You need to worry about TCAM (hardware route memory) in addition
> to
> >> >> RAM on Layer 3 switches and apart from decked out Cisco 6500s or
> >> >> greater you aren't going to find that.
> >> >>
> >> >> The Juniper MX80 should work. It is 2U a

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[Jon Auer]

We've built Supermicro 1U Atom boxes for under $600 to use as DNS servers.
That was with 2x 2.5 inch hard drives.
You'd probably run RouterOS off of a USB stick instead.
That would save you around $120.

Not much of a point to the RB1000 when a 1U Atom box is cheaper and
can run rings around it in throughput.

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:31 PM, RickG  wrote:
> I love mine but only pushin 20Mbps peak. Then again it was only $700. How
> much can you build the Atom unit for?
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>
>>  The RB1000 is not much of a router when under load. You can build a 1u
>> ATOM based system for less money that has 4x the horsepower.
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>>
>> On 9/8/2010 9:20 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> > So here is a nice ref. document from Cisco, pps rating on their
>> > routers...
>> >    Take a look at the PPS rating and the Max Mbps, (you still have to
>> > consider Memory etc etc.).
>> >
>> >
>> > http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/downloads/765/tools/quickreference/routerperformance.pdf
>> >
>> > I am not aware of a similar document from Juniper, however one there
>> > product brochure they do list pps performance number. Keep in mind they
>> > do packet handling very different from CISCO, as such are able to handle
>> > traffic better.
>> >
>> > Using Google, some sites show RB1000 is capable of doing 199,000 pps
>> > with Connect track off... check the Cisco Chart... that is about 100Mbps
>> > of traffic.
>> >
>> > I cannot find the PPS rating on RB1100... so if you know would love to
>> > compare...
>> >
>> > Also, I would like to ask Dennis to let us know if he has any comparison
>> > of what the PowerRouters can handle...
>> >
>> > Regards.
>> >
>> >
>> > Faisal Imtiaz
>> > Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>> >
>> >
>> > On 9/8/2010 9:56 PM, Francois Menard wrote:
>> >> Even RB1100 ?
>> >>
>> >> That would be my choice. 399$ for 13 GigE ports...
>> >>
>> >> F.
>> >>
>> >> On 2010-09-08, at 8:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Non of the sub $1000 appliances will cut the mustard at 300-500meg of
>> >>> traffic...  100meg no problem.
>> >>>
>> >>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> >>> Snappy Internet&   Telecom
>> >>>
>> >>> On 9/8/2010 8:44 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:
>>  vyatta has a $799 routing appliance that will work -
>>  pfsense - on hardware will do it for free - (what an amazing price)
>> 
>>  :-)
>> 
>> 
>>  On Sep 8, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> 
>> > Welcome to the Mid-range of traffic handling...
>> >
>> > There is nothing on the market place that is affordable that will do
>> > what you are looking for.
>> >
>> > Best thing you can do is deploy two devices.. a Gig Switch, pick
>> > your
>> > favorite vendor... and a Core Router for BGP
>> >
>> > For Core Router in the Cisco world you are looking at something with
>> > a
>> > G1 or G2 engine ... (7206vxr or small 7301) range $5k to 10K on the
>> > used
>> > market place.
>> >
>> > In Juniper Land... M10i or an M20 (if you like redundancy...) cost
>> > on
>> > the secondary markets about $8 to $10k
>> >
>> > You could use a Mikrotik Power Router.. cost $ 2500 to $5000
>> >
>> > Only the Cisco 7301 and Mikrotik are small and consume little
>> > power...
>> > Everything else is big and consumes power.
>> >
>> > Most common, cost efficient network design would be to use GigE
>> > Switches
>> > in a ring or your favorite network topology, with one or two Routers
>> > located at DataCenters or NOC...
>> >
>> >
>> > If you find some other solution, that can do what you are looking
>> > for,
>> > please share it with us, cause we have been looking too... what I am
>> > sharing above with you is what we have found so far.
>> >
>> > Regards.
>> >
>> > Faisal Imtiaz
>> > Snappy Internet&   Telecom
>> >
>> >
>> > On 9/8/2010 7:16 PM, Jon Auer wrote:
>> >> Needing full BGP routes takes you out of the realm of cheap Layer 3
>> >> switches...
>> >> You need to worry about TCAM (hardware route memory) in addition to
>> >> RAM on Layer 3 switches and apart from decked out Cisco 6500s or
>> >> greater you aren't going to find that.
>> >>
>> >> The Juniper MX80 should work. It is 2U and can have 48 GigE ports.
>> >> You
>> >> should be able to get it for $30-50K.
>> >>
>> >> Alternatively you could try a multihop BGP setup like Cogent has
>> >> been
>> >> known to do.
>> >> Setup one BGP session between the customer and your Layer 3 switch
>> >> at
>> >> the tower. This carriers a route for your border router/route
>> >> reflector to the customer and vice versa.
>> >> Then setup a BGP session between the customer and your border
>> >> router/route reflector.
>> >>
>> >> Or you could drag MPLS into it but 2 simple BGP sessions seems lik

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[Rubens Kuhl]

If you have a ring, don't do layer 3. Use L2 switch that have some
form of rapid recovery that isn't spanning-tree based, and have 2
strong Layer 3 routers connected to it.

An usual combination is Extreme pizza boxes with EAPS ring-protection,
2 Juniper M7i routers with VRRP, but many others will work.


Rubens


On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Matt Jenkins  wrote:
> I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T ports
> with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any
> suggestions?
>
> For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls to
> support ~300mbps. In addition I need to be able to offer BGP connections
> to customers from this ring of backhauls.
>
> - Matt
>
>
> 
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[RickG]

I love mine but only pushin 20Mbps peak. Then again it was only $700. How
much can you build the Atom unit for?

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

>  The RB1000 is not much of a router when under load. You can build a 1u
> ATOM based system for less money that has 4x the horsepower.
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
>
> On 9/8/2010 9:20 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> > So here is a nice ref. document from Cisco, pps rating on their
> routers...
> >Take a look at the PPS rating and the Max Mbps, (you still have to
> > consider Memory etc etc.).
> >
> >
> http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/downloads/765/tools/quickreference/routerperformance.pdf
> >
> > I am not aware of a similar document from Juniper, however one there
> > product brochure they do list pps performance number. Keep in mind they
> > do packet handling very different from CISCO, as such are able to handle
> > traffic better.
> >
> > Using Google, some sites show RB1000 is capable of doing 199,000 pps
> > with Connect track off... check the Cisco Chart... that is about 100Mbps
> > of traffic.
> >
> > I cannot find the PPS rating on RB1100... so if you know would love to
> > compare...
> >
> > Also, I would like to ask Dennis to let us know if he has any comparison
> > of what the PowerRouters can handle...
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> >
> > Faisal Imtiaz
> > Snappy Internet&  Telecom
> >
> >
> > On 9/8/2010 9:56 PM, Francois Menard wrote:
> >> Even RB1100 ?
> >>
> >> That would be my choice. 399$ for 13 GigE ports...
> >>
> >> F.
> >>
> >> On 2010-09-08, at 8:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> >>
> >>> Non of the sub $1000 appliances will cut the mustard at 300-500meg of
> >>> traffic...  100meg no problem.
> >>>
> >>> Faisal Imtiaz
> >>> Snappy Internet&   Telecom
> >>>
> >>> On 9/8/2010 8:44 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:
>  vyatta has a $799 routing appliance that will work -
>  pfsense - on hardware will do it for free - (what an amazing price)
> 
>  :-)
> 
> 
>  On Sep 8, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> 
> > Welcome to the Mid-range of traffic handling...
> >
> > There is nothing on the market place that is affordable that will do
> > what you are looking for.
> >
> > Best thing you can do is deploy two devices.. a Gig Switch, pick your
> > favorite vendor... and a Core Router for BGP
> >
> > For Core Router in the Cisco world you are looking at something with
> a
> > G1 or G2 engine ... (7206vxr or small 7301) range $5k to 10K on the
> used
> > market place.
> >
> > In Juniper Land... M10i or an M20 (if you like redundancy...) cost on
> > the secondary markets about $8 to $10k
> >
> > You could use a Mikrotik Power Router.. cost $ 2500 to $5000
> >
> > Only the Cisco 7301 and Mikrotik are small and consume little
> power...
> > Everything else is big and consumes power.
> >
> > Most common, cost efficient network design would be to use GigE
> Switches
> > in a ring or your favorite network topology, with one or two Routers
> > located at DataCenters or NOC...
> >
> >
> > If you find some other solution, that can do what you are looking
> for,
> > please share it with us, cause we have been looking too... what I am
> > sharing above with you is what we have found so far.
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > Faisal Imtiaz
> > Snappy Internet&   Telecom
> >
> >
> > On 9/8/2010 7:16 PM, Jon Auer wrote:
> >> Needing full BGP routes takes you out of the realm of cheap Layer 3
> >> switches...
> >> You need to worry about TCAM (hardware route memory) in addition to
> >> RAM on Layer 3 switches and apart from decked out Cisco 6500s or
> >> greater you aren't going to find that.
> >>
> >> The Juniper MX80 should work. It is 2U and can have 48 GigE ports.
> You
> >> should be able to get it for $30-50K.
> >>
> >> Alternatively you could try a multihop BGP setup like Cogent has
> been
> >> known to do.
> >> Setup one BGP session between the customer and your Layer 3 switch
> at
> >> the tower. This carriers a route for your border router/route
> >> reflector to the customer and vice versa.
> >> Then setup a BGP session between the customer and your border
> >> router/route reflector.
> >>
> >> Or you could drag MPLS into it but 2 simple BGP sessions seems like
> >> the most straightforward solution to me.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Matt
> >> Jenkinsmailto:m...@smarterbroadband.net
> >>
> >> wrote:
> >>> I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T
> ports
> >>> with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any
> >>> suggestions?
> >>>
> >>> For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls to
> >>> support ~300mbps. In addition I need to be able to offer BGP
> connections
> >>> to customers from th

Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M

[RickG]

Heh, good one! Actually, they tried to get me to do it again and I
immeadiatley turned them down. In fact, at that point I decided to only
climb for myself. I like to climb but prefer it to be in a very safe
environment. It seems that many dont care about that unless its their butt
hanging in the wind.

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

> Hehe... So at what point did you figure out that they were trying to
> keep folks like you away from their towers !
>
> :)
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>
> On 9/8/2010 11:10 PM, RickG wrote:
> > I climbed a 400' tower where the cell companies put cables over all 3
> > faces. I felt like Tarzan the monkey man climbing on vines. Man, that
> > ticked me off!
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Justin Wilson  > > wrote:
> >
> > I was not happy after climbing a tower where the cell company
> > put their feedlines in front of the safety climb! Hehe.  Would have
> > been better if the UBNT had worked correctly. Oh well, part of being
> > in the WISP industry. :-)
> >
> > --
> > Justin Wilson http://j...@mtin.net>>
> > http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News
> > http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter
> > Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> > *From: *Chuck Hogg http://ch...@shelbybb.com>>
> > *Reply-To: *WISPA General List  > >
> > *Date: *Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:04:40 -0400
> >
> > *To: *WISPA General List  > >
> > *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M
> >
> > I'm just happy that I'm not the only one with this problem.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Steve Barnes  > > wrote:
> >
> > Justin the power supply is outputting 15.3 Vdc as far as the
> > other MT on the tower see.
> >
> >
> > *Steve Barnes
> > *General Manager
> >
> > PCS-WIN 
> > RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service 
> >
> >
> > *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> > 
> > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Justin Wilson
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:30 AM
> >
> >
> > *To:* WISPA General List
> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M
> >
> > In our case we had a switch we put “inline” and that made no
> > difference.  I figured it might have been an issue with the 493G
> > board.  We used to see issues with Tranzeo and 450Gs so I
> > figured it might be similar.  Putting the switch in did not
> > help.  Cable run is only about 20 feet.  It is being powered by
> > a 12 Volt power supply instead of 24.  Other devices on the
> > tower are able to get good speeds to the Mikortik.
> >
> >  Some theories at the moment:
> >
> >  1.When the radio transmits it draws enough power away from
> > the ethernet chipset to cause issues.
> >  2.The unit really does need 24volt (or higher than 12 at
> least)
> >  3.The Unit itself has an issue with the ethernet port.
> >  4.Mikrotik board has an issue.
> >
> >  Justin
> > --
> > Justin Wilson http://j...@mtin.net>
> >  >
> > http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News
> > http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter
> > Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support
> >
> >
> 
> >
> > *From: *Chuck Hogg  >   >
> > *Reply-To: *WISPA General List  >   >
> >
> >
> > *Date: *Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:11:48 -0400
> > *To: *http://fai...@snappydsl.net>
> >  >, WISPA General List
> > http://wireless@wispa.org>
> >  >
> >
> > *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M
> >
> > I'm running
> > AirOS V5.2.1-RC2 (which is the latest as of yesterday)
> >
> > It happened with the factory firmware and the RC1 as well.
> >
> > The issue also occurs with my laptop running btest or any type
> > of ping flood.
> >
> > I have 6 cat5 runs up one of the towers, Motorola works fine and
> > I have switched cables, different manufacturer as well.  Same
> issue.
> >
> > When I use the air test from the UBNT device it works fine.
> >   When I plug a laptop in on each side, I get the same results.
> >
> > No bandwidth shaping.  Have tried mul

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[Travis Johnson]

  The RB1000 is not much of a router when under load. You can build a 1u 
ATOM based system for less money that has 4x the horsepower.

Travis
Microserv


On 9/8/2010 9:20 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> So here is a nice ref. document from Cisco, pps rating on their routers...
>Take a look at the PPS rating and the Max Mbps, (you still have to
> consider Memory etc etc.).
>
> http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/downloads/765/tools/quickreference/routerperformance.pdf
>
> I am not aware of a similar document from Juniper, however one there
> product brochure they do list pps performance number. Keep in mind they
> do packet handling very different from CISCO, as such are able to handle
> traffic better.
>
> Using Google, some sites show RB1000 is capable of doing 199,000 pps
> with Connect track off... check the Cisco Chart... that is about 100Mbps
> of traffic.
>
> I cannot find the PPS rating on RB1100... so if you know would love to
> compare...
>
> Also, I would like to ask Dennis to let us know if he has any comparison
> of what the PowerRouters can handle...
>
> Regards.
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>
>
> On 9/8/2010 9:56 PM, Francois Menard wrote:
>> Even RB1100 ?
>>
>> That would be my choice. 399$ for 13 GigE ports...
>>
>> F.
>>
>> On 2010-09-08, at 8:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>>> Non of the sub $1000 appliances will cut the mustard at 300-500meg of
>>> traffic...  100meg no problem.
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet&   Telecom
>>>
>>> On 9/8/2010 8:44 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:
 vyatta has a $799 routing appliance that will work -
 pfsense - on hardware will do it for free - (what an amazing price)

 :-)


 On Sep 8, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

> Welcome to the Mid-range of traffic handling...
>
> There is nothing on the market place that is affordable that will do
> what you are looking for.
>
> Best thing you can do is deploy two devices.. a Gig Switch, pick your
> favorite vendor... and a Core Router for BGP
>
> For Core Router in the Cisco world you are looking at something with a
> G1 or G2 engine ... (7206vxr or small 7301) range $5k to 10K on the used
> market place.
>
> In Juniper Land... M10i or an M20 (if you like redundancy...) cost on
> the secondary markets about $8 to $10k
>
> You could use a Mikrotik Power Router.. cost $ 2500 to $5000
>
> Only the Cisco 7301 and Mikrotik are small and consume little power...
> Everything else is big and consumes power.
>
> Most common, cost efficient network design would be to use GigE Switches
> in a ring or your favorite network topology, with one or two Routers
> located at DataCenters or NOC...
>
>
> If you find some other solution, that can do what you are looking for,
> please share it with us, cause we have been looking too... what I am
> sharing above with you is what we have found so far.
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet&   Telecom
>
>
> On 9/8/2010 7:16 PM, Jon Auer wrote:
>> Needing full BGP routes takes you out of the realm of cheap Layer 3
>> switches...
>> You need to worry about TCAM (hardware route memory) in addition to
>> RAM on Layer 3 switches and apart from decked out Cisco 6500s or
>> greater you aren't going to find that.
>>
>> The Juniper MX80 should work. It is 2U and can have 48 GigE ports. You
>> should be able to get it for $30-50K.
>>
>> Alternatively you could try a multihop BGP setup like Cogent has been
>> known to do.
>> Setup one BGP session between the customer and your Layer 3 switch at
>> the tower. This carriers a route for your border router/route
>> reflector to the customer and vice versa.
>> Then setup a BGP session between the customer and your border
>> router/route reflector.
>>
>> Or you could drag MPLS into it but 2 simple BGP sessions seems like
>> the most straightforward solution to me.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Matt
>> Jenkinsmailto:m...@smarterbroadband.net>>
>> wrote:
>>> I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T ports
>>> with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any
>>> suggestions?
>>>
>>> For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls to
>>> support ~300mbps. In addition I need to be able to offer BGP connections
>>> to customers from this ring of backhauls.
>>>
>>> - Matt
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>>> 
>>>
>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>>
>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>>> http:

Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Hehe... So at what point did you figure out that they were trying to 
keep folks like you away from their towers !

:)



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom

On 9/8/2010 11:10 PM, RickG wrote:
> I climbed a 400' tower where the cell companies put cables over all 3
> faces. I felt like Tarzan the monkey man climbing on vines. Man, that
> ticked me off!
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Justin Wilson  > wrote:
>
> I was not happy after climbing a tower where the cell company
> put their feedlines in front of the safety climb! Hehe.  Would have
> been better if the UBNT had worked correctly. Oh well, part of being
> in the WISP industry. :-)
>
> --
> Justin Wilson http://j...@mtin.net>>
> http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News
> http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter
> Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support
>
>
>
> 
> *From: *Chuck Hogg http://ch...@shelbybb.com>>
> *Reply-To: *WISPA General List  >
> *Date: *Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:04:40 -0400
>
> *To: *WISPA General List  >
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M
>
> I'm just happy that I'm not the only one with this problem.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chuck
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Steve Barnes  > wrote:
>
> Justin the power supply is outputting 15.3 Vdc as far as the
> other MT on the tower see.
>
>
> *Steve Barnes
> *General Manager
>
> PCS-WIN 
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service 
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Justin Wilson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:30 AM
>
>
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M
>
> In our case we had a switch we put “inline” and that made no
> difference.  I figured it might have been an issue with the 493G
> board.  We used to see issues with Tranzeo and 450Gs so I
> figured it might be similar.  Putting the switch in did not
> help.  Cable run is only about 20 feet.  It is being powered by
> a 12 Volt power supply instead of 24.  Other devices on the
> tower are able to get good speeds to the Mikortik.
>
>  Some theories at the moment:
>
>  1.When the radio transmits it draws enough power away from
> the ethernet chipset to cause issues.
>  2.The unit really does need 24volt (or higher than 12 at least)
>  3.The Unit itself has an issue with the ethernet port.
>  4.Mikrotik board has an issue.
>
>  Justin
> --
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>  >
> http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News
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>
> 
> 
>
> *From: *Chuck Hogg    >
> *Reply-To: *WISPA General List    >
>
>
> *Date: *Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:11:48 -0400
> *To: *http://fai...@snappydsl.net>
>  >, WISPA General List
> http://wireless@wispa.org>
>  >
>
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M
>
> I'm running
> AirOS V5.2.1-RC2 (which is the latest as of yesterday)
>
> It happened with the factory firmware and the RC1 as well.
>
> The issue also occurs with my laptop running btest or any type
> of ping flood.
>
> I have 6 cat5 runs up one of the towers, Motorola works fine and
> I have switched cables, different manufacturer as well.  Same issue.
>
> When I use the air test from the UBNT device it works fine.
>   When I plug a laptop in on each side, I get the same results.
>
> No bandwidth shaping.  Have tried multiple different devices on
> each side, the only thing that works is an expensive Managed
> Dell Switch.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chuck
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Faisal Imtiaz
> http://fai...@snappydsl.net>
>  > wrote:
> Is it  possible to change and test to see if it the Radios's or the
> MK493ah that is root cause of this issue.
>
> Also, do you get the same results when you run the test from one
> side or
> the other ?
> Could you have some Bandwidth Shap

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[Faisal Imtiaz]

So here is a nice ref. document from Cisco, pps rating on their routers...
  Take a look at the PPS rating and the Max Mbps, (you still have to 
consider Memory etc etc.).

http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/downloads/765/tools/quickreference/routerperformance.pdf

I am not aware of a similar document from Juniper, however one there 
product brochure they do list pps performance number. Keep in mind they 
do packet handling very different from CISCO, as such are able to handle 
traffic better.

Using Google, some sites show RB1000 is capable of doing 199,000 pps 
with Connect track off... check the Cisco Chart... that is about 100Mbps 
of traffic.

I cannot find the PPS rating on RB1100... so if you know would love to 
compare...

Also, I would like to ask Dennis to let us know if he has any comparison 
of what the PowerRouters can handle...

Regards.


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom


On 9/8/2010 9:56 PM, Francois Menard wrote:
> Even RB1100 ?
>
> That would be my choice. 399$ for 13 GigE ports...
>
> F.
>
> On 2010-09-08, at 8:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>
>> Non of the sub $1000 appliances will cut the mustard at 300-500meg of
>> traffic...  100meg no problem.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>>
>> On 9/8/2010 8:44 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:
>>> vyatta has a $799 routing appliance that will work -
>>> pfsense - on hardware will do it for free - (what an amazing price)
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 8, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>>>
 Welcome to the Mid-range of traffic handling...

 There is nothing on the market place that is affordable that will do
 what you are looking for.

 Best thing you can do is deploy two devices.. a Gig Switch, pick your
 favorite vendor... and a Core Router for BGP

 For Core Router in the Cisco world you are looking at something with a
 G1 or G2 engine ... (7206vxr or small 7301) range $5k to 10K on the used
 market place.

 In Juniper Land... M10i or an M20 (if you like redundancy...) cost on
 the secondary markets about $8 to $10k

 You could use a Mikrotik Power Router.. cost $ 2500 to $5000

 Only the Cisco 7301 and Mikrotik are small and consume little power...
 Everything else is big and consumes power.

 Most common, cost efficient network design would be to use GigE Switches
 in a ring or your favorite network topology, with one or two Routers
 located at DataCenters or NOC...


 If you find some other solution, that can do what you are looking for,
 please share it with us, cause we have been looking too... what I am
 sharing above with you is what we have found so far.

 Regards.

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet&  Telecom


 On 9/8/2010 7:16 PM, Jon Auer wrote:
> Needing full BGP routes takes you out of the realm of cheap Layer 3
> switches...
> You need to worry about TCAM (hardware route memory) in addition to
> RAM on Layer 3 switches and apart from decked out Cisco 6500s or
> greater you aren't going to find that.
>
> The Juniper MX80 should work. It is 2U and can have 48 GigE ports. You
> should be able to get it for $30-50K.
>
> Alternatively you could try a multihop BGP setup like Cogent has been
> known to do.
> Setup one BGP session between the customer and your Layer 3 switch at
> the tower. This carriers a route for your border router/route
> reflector to the customer and vice versa.
> Then setup a BGP session between the customer and your border
> router/route reflector.
>
> Or you could drag MPLS into it but 2 simple BGP sessions seems like
> the most straightforward solution to me.
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Matt
> Jenkinsmailto:m...@smarterbroadband.net>>
> wrote:
>> I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T ports
>> with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any
>> suggestions?
>>
>> For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls to
>> support ~300mbps. In addition I need to be able to offer BGP connections
>> to customers from this ring of backhauls.
>>
>> - Matt
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M

[RickG]

I climbed a 400' tower where the cell companies put cables over all 3 faces.
I felt like Tarzan the monkey man climbing on vines. Man, that ticked me
off!

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Justin Wilson  wrote:

> I was not happy after climbing a tower where the cell company put
> their feedlines in front of the safety climb! Hehe.  Would have been better
> if the UBNT had worked correctly. Oh well, part of being in the WISP
> industry. :-)
>
> --
> Justin Wilson 
> http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News
> http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter
> Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support
>
>
>
> --
> *From: *Chuck Hogg 
> *Reply-To: *WISPA General List 
> *Date: *Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:04:40 -0400
>
> *To: *WISPA General List 
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M
>
> I'm just happy that I'm not the only one with this problem.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chuck
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>
> Justin the power supply is outputting 15.3 Vdc as far as the other MT on
> the tower see.
>
>
> *Steve Barnes
> *General Manager
>
> PCS-WIN 
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service 
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Justin Wilson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:30 AM
>
>
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M
>
>In our case we had a switch we put “inline” and that made no difference.
>  I figured it might have been an issue with the 493G board.  We used to see
> issues with Tranzeo and 450Gs so I figured it might be similar.  Putting the
> switch in did not help.  Cable run is only about 20 feet.  It is being
> powered by a 12 Volt power supply instead of 24.  Other devices on the tower
> are able to get good speeds to the Mikortik.
>
> Some theories at the moment:
>
> 1.When the radio transmits it draws enough power away from the ethernet
> chipset to cause issues.
> 2.The unit really does need 24volt (or higher than 12 at least)
> 3.The Unit itself has an issue with the ethernet port.
> 4.Mikrotik board has an issue.
>
> Justin
> --
> Justin Wilson http://j...@mtin.net> >
> http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News
> http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter
> Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support
>
>  --
>
> *From: *Chuck Hogg http://ch...@shelbybb.com> >
> *Reply-To: *WISPA General List  http://wireless@wispa.org> >
>
> *Date: *Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:11:48 -0400
> *To: *http://fai...@snappydsl.net> >, WISPA General
> List http://wireless@wispa.org> >
>
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M
>
> I'm running
> AirOS V5.2.1-RC2 (which is the latest as of yesterday)
>
> It happened with the factory firmware and the RC1 as well.
>
> The issue also occurs with my laptop running btest or any type of ping
> flood.
>
> I have 6 cat5 runs up one of the towers, Motorola works fine and I have
> switched cables, different manufacturer as well.  Same issue.
>
> When I use the air test from the UBNT device it works fine.  When I plug a
> laptop in on each side, I get the same results.
>
> No bandwidth shaping.  Have tried multiple different devices on each side,
> the only thing that works is an expensive Managed Dell Switch.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chuck
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  http://fai...@snappydsl.net> > wrote:
> Is it  possible to change and test to see if it the Radios's or the
> MK493ah that is root cause of this issue.
>
> Also, do you get the same results when you run the test from one side or
> the other ?
> Could you have some Bandwidth Shaping in place ?
>
> do you have another Mikrotik eg. 750g that you could plug int one side
> to see if that makes a difference ?
> (I have Rocket M5's working on MK750 & MK750g.. no issues...
>
> Another suggestion to try is .. change the firmware to the 3x train on
> the MK493ah board and see if you get the same results..
>
> Got to narrow down further...
>
> Do both sides of the link (I am assuming both sides have a MK router ),
> showing similar behavior between the Rocket & Mk Router ?
>
> Just for kicks, you can update the firmware to 5.2.1 beta 3... (get it
> from the UBNT Forum) and see if the results change.. if they don' then
> ... pretty sure it is not a radio side issue
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>
>
> On 9/7/2010 10:50 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
> > Set all to Auto Neg and no change
> > Here is SSH report
> > XM.v5.2# /bin/ifconfig
> > ath0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:15:6D:60:92:85
> >UP BROADCAST RUNNING PROMISC ALLMULTI MULTICAST  MTU:1500
> > Metric:1
> >RX packets:965042 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
> >TX packets:713224 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
> >collisions:0 txqueuelen:200
> >RX bytes:1138023050 (1.0 GiB)  TX bytes:100227281 (95.5 MiB)
> >
> > br0  

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[Jon Auer]

What kind of PPS are you seeing on that setup?

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
> Is this going on a stick on in a building.
> We have an opensource Vyatta running circles around the old Vax 7200 stuff
> GigE even is not an issue - but used a Dell R300 with 8GB ram to do it.
> Still much cheaper than most anything else on the planet for the same
> config
>
> On Sep 8, 2010, at 8:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>
> e sub $1000 appliances will cut the mustard at 300-500meg of
> traffic...  100meg no problem.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>



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Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[Glenn Kelley]

Is this going on a stick on in a building.

We have an opensource Vyatta running circles around the old Vax 7200 stuff 

GigE even is not an issue - but used a Dell R300 with 8GB ram to do it. 
Still much cheaper than most anything else on the planet for the same config 


On Sep 8, 2010, at 8:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

> e sub $1000 appliances will cut the mustard at 300-500meg of 
> traffic...  100meg no problem.
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom

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Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe

[Greg Ihnen]

I get it.

Greg

On Sep 8, 2010, at 10:07 PM, Robert West wrote:

> I always submit to DOM tubing
> 
> Steve-




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Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe

[Robert West]

I always submit to DOM tubing

Steve-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chris Hudson
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:52 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe

We're fans of the structural steel pipes for the local metal shop. It needs
painting, but definitly weldable... We use the 1.5" ID It has just under 2" 
OD.

Chris
- Original Message -
From: "Robert West" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe


> Water pipe has always been too soft for me!  I use 2" OSD chain link fence
> terminal post from the great satan, Home Depot.  Welds nice and is seam
> welded.  Stiff!
>
> In the 80's, we always said if it wasn't Stiff, it wasn't worth a 
> ..
>
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:53 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe
>
> I use 1.5" water pipe.  It's got an OD of 2" and is quite strong and very
> cheap.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:19 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe
>
>
>>  While our grain leg is having some maintenance done on it, I thought
>> I'd have them weld pipes into the platform instead of my usual U-bolt or
>> similar attachment method.  I figured it'd be more secure than attaching
>> with hardware.
>>
>> What is a good universal pipe to have installed?  I don't remember
>> dimensions, but I recently tried to attach some UBNT PowerBridges at a
>> site and the pipe was too big.  Other times I've found the pipe too
>> small for the antenna's mount.  What did Goldilocks find for the pipe
>> that was just right?
>>
>>
>> -- 
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Moto BH Reset to Default

[Forbes Mercy]

Patrick this is today's event log, no there's no sync, does this help?:


00:00:00 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 874 **System Startup**
00:00:01 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 879 Software Version : 
CANOPY4.2.1 Apr 16 2004 15:23:05 BH-DES
00:00:01 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 883 Software Boot Version : 
CANOPYBOOT 1.0
00:00:01 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 887 FPGA Version : 06240318
00:00:01 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 891 FPGA Features : DES
03:30:18 UT : 09/08/10 : File 
C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 1055 Time set
17:47:59 UT : 09/08/10 : File httptask.c : Line 616 Reboot from Webpage.
17:47:59 UT : 09/08/10 : File 
C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 1055 Time set
17:47:59 UT : 09/08/10 : File 
C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 914 System Reset 
Exception -- External Hard Reset WatchDog Cur ExtInt 99 Max ExtInt 717 
Cur DecInt 68 Max DecInt 180 Cur Sync 0 Max Sync 47 Cur LED 0 Max LED 1 
Cur EthXcvr 0 Max EthXcvr 1 Cur FEC 6 Max FEC 328 Cur FPGA 93 Max FPGA 
488 Cur FrmLoc 0 Max FrmLoc 0 AAState 0
17:47:59 UT : 09/08/10 : File root.c : Line 874 **System Startup**
17:48:00 UT : 09/08/10 : File root.c : Line 879 Software Version : 
CANOPY4.2.1 Apr 16 2004 15:23:05 BH-DES
17:48:00 UT : 09/08/10 : File root.c : Line 883 Software Boot Version : 
CANOPYBOOT 1.0
17:48:00 UT : 09/08/10 : File root.c : Line 887 FPGA Version : 06240318
17:48:00 UT : 09/08/10 : File root.c : Line 891 FPGA Features : DES
00:00:00 UT : 01/01/00 : File 
C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 1055 Time set
00:00:00 UT : 01/01/00 : File 
C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 914 System Reset 
Exception -- External Hard Reset
00:00:00 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 874 **System Startup**
00:00:01 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 879 Software Version : 
CANOPY4.2.1 Apr 16 2004 15:23:05 BH-DES
00:00:01 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 883 Software Boot Version : 
CANOPYBOOT 1.0
00:00:01 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 887 FPGA Version : 06240318
00:00:01 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 891 FPGA Features : DES
00:13:50 UT : 01/01/00 : File httptask.c : Line 616 Reboot from Webpage.
00:10:34 UT : 01/01/00 : File 
C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 1055 Time set
00:10:34 UT : 01/01/00 : File 
C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 914 System Reset 
Exception -- External Hard Reset WatchDog Cur ExtInt 0 Max ExtInt 66 Cur 
DecInt 60 Max DecInt 178 Cur Sync 0 Max Sync 65 Cur LED 0 Max LED 1 Cur 
EthXcvr 0 Max EthXcvr 1 Cur FEC 0 Max FEC 60 Cur FPGA 0 Max FPGA 61 Cur 
FrmLoc 0 Max FrmLoc 0 AAState 0
00:10:34 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 874 **System Startup**
00:10:35 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 879 Software Version : 
CANOPY4.2.1 Apr 16 2004 15:23:05 BH-DES
00:10:35 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 883 Software Boot Version : 
CANOPYBOOT 1.0
00:10:35 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 887 FPGA Version : 06240318
00:10:35 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 891 FPGA Features : DES
18:45:04 UT : 09/08/10 : File 
C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 1055 Time set
18:56:43 UT : 09/08/10 : File httptask.c : Line 616 Reboot from Webpage.
18:56:40 UT : 09/08/10 : File 
C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 1055 Time set
18:56:40 UT : 09/08/10 : File 
C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 914 System Reset 
Exception -- External Hard Reset WatchDog Cur ExtInt 27 Max ExtInt 601 
Cur DecInt 52 Max DecInt 176 Cur Sync 0 Max Sync 34 Cur LED 0 Max LED 1 
Cur EthXcvr 0 Max EthXcvr 1 Cur FEC 4 Max FEC 267 Cur FPGA 23 Max FPGA 
405 Cur FrmLoc 0 Max FrmLoc 0 AAState 0
18:56:40 UT : 09/08/10 : File root.c : Line 874 **System Startup**
18:56:41 UT : 09/08/10 : File root.c : Line 879 Software Version : 
CANOPY4.2.1 Apr 16 2004 15:23:05 BH-DES
18:56:41 UT : 09/08/10 : File root.c : Line 883 Software Boot Version : 
CANOPYBOOT 1.0
18:56:41 UT : 09/08/10 : File root.c : Line 887 FPGA Version : 06240318
18:56:41 UT : 09/08/10 : File root.c : Line 891 FPGA Features : DES
20:58:19 UT : 09/08/10 : File httptask.c : Line 616 Reboot from Webpage.
20:55:42 UT : 09/08/10 : File 
C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 1055 Time set
20:55:42 UT : 09/08/10 : File 
C:/ISIPPC/pssppc.250/bsps/devices/whisp/syslog.c : Line 914 System Reset 
Exception -- External Hard Reset WatchDog Cur ExtInt 0 Max ExtInt 81 Cur 
DecInt 52 Max DecInt 176 Cur Sync 0 Max Sync 68 Cur LED 0 Max LED 1 Cur 
EthXcvr 0 Max EthXcvr 1 Cur FEC 0 Max FEC 53 Cur FPGA 0 Max FPGA 64 Cur 
FrmLoc 0 Max FrmLoc 0 AAState 0
20:55:42 UT : 09/08/10 : File root.c : Line 874 **System Startup**
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Re: [WISPA] Recommendation on Redline's PtP line?

[Rubens Kuhl]

AN80-i-s are impressive radio units, but interference from other
unlicensed radios will take some of its throughput. AN80 will survive
where other radios won't, but it will cost you some performance.

Try getting one with the maximum bandwidth license, 108 Mbps, even if
you plan to use less. It is actually a channel+modulation license, and
you will prefer having all channels and modulations available so you
could use a higher modulation with a small channel or a lower
modulation with a larger channel.

Rubens


On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Rogelio  wrote:
> I've got a project where I need some affordable PtP links with as
> little latency as possible, and a friend recommended Redline
>
> http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProducts.do?skus=344025%2C344476&WT.mc_id=enews&contactID=13579320&gwkey=SVRE3SHRV3
>
> http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=344476&eventPage=1
> http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=344025&eventPage=1
>
> They are TDD, and from what I hear, they are conservative in their
> throughput numbers but tend to outperform other vendors who inflate
> their numbers.
>
> Any input there?  The ones I listed there run about $1600 retail on
> TESSCO's site.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Recommendation on Redline's PtP line?

[Josh Luthman]

Redline is known to not have any software issues.  I have lots of dead IDU
and ODU parts, though.  Maybe the an80 is different.

Ubnt is cheap and is  said to be buggy but I've not seen it.

On Sep 8, 2010 9:54 PM, "Francois Menard"  wrote:

Was just quoted sub $7K for a pair of AN80i @ 3.65 GHz.
70 mbps on a 20 MHz channel.

Intend on trying it ASAP.  I have more faith in this as a solid BH than a
pair of RocketM365... then again, a pair of those with RocketDishes is sub
900$ ...

F.


On 2010-09-08, at 3:12 PM, Rogelio wrote:

> I've got a project where I need some affordable PtP li...



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Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[Rubens Kuhl]

An RB1000 with an external switch will handle more traffic than RB1100.


Rubens


On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Francois Menard  wrote:
> Even RB1100 ?
>
> That would be my choice. 399$ for 13 GigE ports...
>
> F.
>
> On 2010-09-08, at 8:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>
>> Non of the sub $1000 appliances will cut the mustard at 300-500meg of
>> traffic...  100meg no problem.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>
>> On 9/8/2010 8:44 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:
>>> vyatta has a $799 routing appliance that will work -
>>> pfsense - on hardware will do it for free - (what an amazing price)
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 8, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>>>
 Welcome to the Mid-range of traffic handling...

 There is nothing on the market place that is affordable that will do
 what you are looking for.

 Best thing you can do is deploy two devices.. a Gig Switch, pick your
 favorite vendor... and a Core Router for BGP

 For Core Router in the Cisco world you are looking at something with a
 G1 or G2 engine ... (7206vxr or small 7301) range $5k to 10K on the used
 market place.

 In Juniper Land... M10i or an M20 (if you like redundancy...) cost on
 the secondary markets about $8 to $10k

 You could use a Mikrotik Power Router.. cost $ 2500 to $5000

 Only the Cisco 7301 and Mikrotik are small and consume little power...
 Everything else is big and consumes power.

 Most common, cost efficient network design would be to use GigE Switches
 in a ring or your favorite network topology, with one or two Routers
 located at DataCenters or NOC...


 If you find some other solution, that can do what you are looking for,
 please share it with us, cause we have been looking too... what I am
 sharing above with you is what we have found so far.

 Regards.

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom


 On 9/8/2010 7:16 PM, Jon Auer wrote:
> Needing full BGP routes takes you out of the realm of cheap Layer 3
> switches...
> You need to worry about TCAM (hardware route memory) in addition to
> RAM on Layer 3 switches and apart from decked out Cisco 6500s or
> greater you aren't going to find that.
>
> The Juniper MX80 should work. It is 2U and can have 48 GigE ports. You
> should be able to get it for $30-50K.
>
> Alternatively you could try a multihop BGP setup like Cogent has been
> known to do.
> Setup one BGP session between the customer and your Layer 3 switch at
> the tower. This carriers a route for your border router/route
> reflector to the customer and vice versa.
> Then setup a BGP session between the customer and your border
> router/route reflector.
>
> Or you could drag MPLS into it but 2 simple BGP sessions seems like
> the most straightforward solution to me.
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Matt
> Jenkinsmailto:m...@smarterbroadband.net>>
> wrote:
>> I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T ports
>> with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any
>> suggestions?
>>
>> For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls to
>> support ~300mbps. In addition I need to be able to offer BGP connections
>> to customers from this ring of backhauls.
>>
>> - Matt
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[Francois Menard]

Even RB1100 ?

That would be my choice. 399$ for 13 GigE ports...

F.

On 2010-09-08, at 8:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

> Non of the sub $1000 appliances will cut the mustard at 300-500meg of 
> traffic...  100meg no problem.
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 
> On 9/8/2010 8:44 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:
>> vyatta has a $799 routing appliance that will work -
>> pfsense - on hardware will do it for free - (what an amazing price)
>> 
>> :-)
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 8, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> 
>>> Welcome to the Mid-range of traffic handling...
>>> 
>>> There is nothing on the market place that is affordable that will do
>>> what you are looking for.
>>> 
>>> Best thing you can do is deploy two devices.. a Gig Switch, pick your
>>> favorite vendor... and a Core Router for BGP
>>> 
>>> For Core Router in the Cisco world you are looking at something with a
>>> G1 or G2 engine ... (7206vxr or small 7301) range $5k to 10K on the used
>>> market place.
>>> 
>>> In Juniper Land... M10i or an M20 (if you like redundancy...) cost on
>>> the secondary markets about $8 to $10k
>>> 
>>> You could use a Mikrotik Power Router.. cost $ 2500 to $5000
>>> 
>>> Only the Cisco 7301 and Mikrotik are small and consume little power...
>>> Everything else is big and consumes power.
>>> 
>>> Most common, cost efficient network design would be to use GigE Switches
>>> in a ring or your favorite network topology, with one or two Routers
>>> located at DataCenters or NOC...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If you find some other solution, that can do what you are looking for,
>>> please share it with us, cause we have been looking too... what I am
>>> sharing above with you is what we have found so far.
>>> 
>>> Regards.
>>> 
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/8/2010 7:16 PM, Jon Auer wrote:
 Needing full BGP routes takes you out of the realm of cheap Layer 3
 switches...
 You need to worry about TCAM (hardware route memory) in addition to
 RAM on Layer 3 switches and apart from decked out Cisco 6500s or
 greater you aren't going to find that.
 
 The Juniper MX80 should work. It is 2U and can have 48 GigE ports. You
 should be able to get it for $30-50K.
 
 Alternatively you could try a multihop BGP setup like Cogent has been
 known to do.
 Setup one BGP session between the customer and your Layer 3 switch at
 the tower. This carriers a route for your border router/route
 reflector to the customer and vice versa.
 Then setup a BGP session between the customer and your border
 router/route reflector.
 
 Or you could drag MPLS into it but 2 simple BGP sessions seems like
 the most straightforward solution to me.
 
 On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Matt
 Jenkinsmailto:m...@smarterbroadband.net>>
 wrote:
> I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T ports
> with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any
> suggestions?
> 
> For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls to
> support ~300mbps. In addition I need to be able to offer BGP connections
> to customers from this ring of backhauls.
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Slightly OT - Mapping

[Jon Auer]

I'll second this.
Manifold has been amazing for us for everything from looking for
geographic patterns in customers with rf problems to crunching data
for our FCC477 filing.
One of these days I'll learn the viewshed function and have it suggest
new tower sites...

On Wednesday, September 8, 2010, Cameron Crum  wrote:
> If you are looking for a real GIS platform, I'd highly recommend Manifold. It 
> is very inexpensive for what it does, and can handle formats from just about 
> every other GIS platform. If you don't want the learning curve, I'd talk with 
> Brian Webster over at wirelessmapping.com. He can probably generate the files 
> you need in no time and the time savings would be well worth whatever it 
> costs you.
>
> Regards,
>
> Cameron
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Bob Moldashel  wrote:
>
> Can anyone recommend a program or a resource that I can get high
> resolution maps from.  I have multiple project going where I need to map
> out say a county or a town and have streets as well as specific
> information user added to the map.  Then I need to output it to a
> plotter or Kinkos so we can make working material out of them.  Does not
> need to be color but color would be nice.
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> I have to be able to print 24" x 36"
>
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Re: [WISPA] Recommendation on Redline's PtP line?

[Francois Menard]

Was just quoted sub $7K for a pair of AN80i @ 3.65 GHz.
70 mbps on a 20 MHz channel.

Intend on trying it ASAP.  I have more faith in this as a solid BH than a pair 
of RocketM365... then again, a pair of those with RocketDishes is sub 900$ ...

F.

On 2010-09-08, at 3:12 PM, Rogelio wrote:

> I've got a project where I need some affordable PtP links with as
> little latency as possible, and a friend recommended Redline
> 
> http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProducts.do?skus=344025%2C344476&WT.mc_id=enews&contactID=13579320&gwkey=SVRE3SHRV3
> 
> http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=344476&eventPage=1
> http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=344025&eventPage=1
> 
> They are TDD, and from what I hear, they are conservative in their
> throughput numbers but tend to outperform other vendors who inflate
> their numbers.
> 
> Any input there?  The ones I listed there run about $1600 retail on
> TESSCO's site.
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Moto BH Reset to Default

[Josh Luthman]

Come to think of it PDMNet has mentioned they've seen many cases where
the hardware thinks it has something on the reset (not sure of the
details).

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On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Patrick Shoemaker
 wrote:
>  Okay, if it is the PTP100/200 series, is the event log being preserved
> after the reset to defaults? Did you change just the user passwords or
> did you change the SNMP community string as well? Do you have anything
> plugged in to the timing port? What is the setting for the default plug
> action set to- reset to defaults or just bypass user login?
>
> If PTP400/500/600 series, the reset signal is sent over the power
> conductors feeding the ODU. It's feasible that a cable or PIDU problem
> could cause erroneous resets. But the same cable or PIDU problem on
> three separate radios would be unlikely.
>
> Patrick Shoemaker
> Vector Data Systems LLC
> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
>
>
> On 9/8/2010 8:44 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> The subject says BH as in BH10 or BH20...
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Patrick Shoemaker
>>   wrote:
>>> PTP400/500/800 is a completely different platform than PTP100/200.
>>>
>>> Patrick Shoemaker
>>> Vector Data Systems LLC
>>> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
>>> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
>>> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
>>>
>>> On 9/8/2010 8:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> It's all the same hardware isn't it?
>>>
>>> On Sep 8, 2010 7:53 PM, "Patrick Shoemaker"
>>>   wrote:
>>>
>>>   First it would help to know what model BH you have.
>>>
>>> Patrick Shoemaker
>>> Vector Data Systems LLC
>>> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
>>> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
>>> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
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>>>
>>> On 9/8/2010 6:08 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
 This is the third Motorola backhaul where the remote en...
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Re: [WISPA] Moto BH Reset to Default

[Patrick Shoemaker]

  Okay, if it is the PTP100/200 series, is the event log being preserved 
after the reset to defaults? Did you change just the user passwords or 
did you change the SNMP community string as well? Do you have anything 
plugged in to the timing port? What is the setting for the default plug 
action set to- reset to defaults or just bypass user login?

If PTP400/500/600 series, the reset signal is sent over the power 
conductors feeding the ODU. It's feasible that a cable or PIDU problem 
could cause erroneous resets. But the same cable or PIDU problem on 
three separate radios would be unlikely.

Patrick Shoemaker
Vector Data Systems LLC
shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
office: (301) 358-1690 x36
http://www.vectordatasystems.com


On 9/8/2010 8:44 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> The subject says BH as in BH10 or BH20...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Patrick Shoemaker
>   wrote:
>> PTP400/500/800 is a completely different platform than PTP100/200.
>>
>> Patrick Shoemaker
>> Vector Data Systems LLC
>> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
>> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
>> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
>>
>> On 9/8/2010 8:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> It's all the same hardware isn't it?
>>
>> On Sep 8, 2010 7:53 PM, "Patrick Shoemaker"
>>   wrote:
>>
>>   First it would help to know what model BH you have.
>>
>> Patrick Shoemaker
>> Vector Data Systems LLC
>> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
>> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
>> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
>>
>>
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>>> This is the third Motorola backhaul where the remote en...
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Non of the sub $1000 appliances will cut the mustard at 300-500meg of 
traffic...  100meg no problem.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom

On 9/8/2010 8:44 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:
> vyatta has a $799 routing appliance that will work -
> pfsense - on hardware will do it for free - (what an amazing price)
>
> :-)
>
>
> On Sep 8, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>
>> Welcome to the Mid-range of traffic handling...
>>
>> There is nothing on the market place that is affordable that will do
>> what you are looking for.
>>
>> Best thing you can do is deploy two devices.. a Gig Switch, pick your
>> favorite vendor... and a Core Router for BGP
>>
>> For Core Router in the Cisco world you are looking at something with a
>> G1 or G2 engine ... (7206vxr or small 7301) range $5k to 10K on the used
>> market place.
>>
>> In Juniper Land... M10i or an M20 (if you like redundancy...) cost on
>> the secondary markets about $8 to $10k
>>
>> You could use a Mikrotik Power Router.. cost $ 2500 to $5000
>>
>> Only the Cisco 7301 and Mikrotik are small and consume little power...
>> Everything else is big and consumes power.
>>
>> Most common, cost efficient network design would be to use GigE Switches
>> in a ring or your favorite network topology, with one or two Routers
>> located at DataCenters or NOC...
>>
>>
>> If you find some other solution, that can do what you are looking for,
>> please share it with us, cause we have been looking too... what I am
>> sharing above with you is what we have found so far.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>
>>
>> On 9/8/2010 7:16 PM, Jon Auer wrote:
>>> Needing full BGP routes takes you out of the realm of cheap Layer 3
>>> switches...
>>> You need to worry about TCAM (hardware route memory) in addition to
>>> RAM on Layer 3 switches and apart from decked out Cisco 6500s or
>>> greater you aren't going to find that.
>>>
>>> The Juniper MX80 should work. It is 2U and can have 48 GigE ports. You
>>> should be able to get it for $30-50K.
>>>
>>> Alternatively you could try a multihop BGP setup like Cogent has been
>>> known to do.
>>> Setup one BGP session between the customer and your Layer 3 switch at
>>> the tower. This carriers a route for your border router/route
>>> reflector to the customer and vice versa.
>>> Then setup a BGP session between the customer and your border
>>> router/route reflector.
>>>
>>> Or you could drag MPLS into it but 2 simple BGP sessions seems like
>>> the most straightforward solution to me.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Matt
>>> Jenkinsmailto:m...@smarterbroadband.net>>
>>> wrote:
 I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T ports
 with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any
 suggestions?

 For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls to
 support ~300mbps. In addition I need to be able to offer BGP connections
 to customers from this ring of backhauls.

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Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe

[Chris Hudson]

We're fans of the structural steel pipes for the local metal shop. It needs 
painting, but definitly weldable... We use the 1.5" ID It has just under 2" 
OD.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Robert West" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe


> Water pipe has always been too soft for me!  I use 2" OSD chain link fence
> terminal post from the great satan, Home Depot.  Welds nice and is seam
> welded.  Stiff!
>
> In the 80's, we always said if it wasn't Stiff, it wasn't worth a 
> ..
>
>
> Bob-
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:53 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe
>
> I use 1.5" water pipe.  It's got an OD of 2" and is quite strong and very
> cheap.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:19 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe
>
>
>>  While our grain leg is having some maintenance done on it, I thought
>> I'd have them weld pipes into the platform instead of my usual U-bolt or
>> similar attachment method.  I figured it'd be more secure than attaching
>> with hardware.
>>
>> What is a good universal pipe to have installed?  I don't remember
>> dimensions, but I recently tried to attach some UBNT PowerBridges at a
>> site and the pipe was too big.  Other times I've found the pipe too
>> small for the antenna's mount.  What did Goldilocks find for the pipe
>> that was just right?
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Moto BH Reset to Default

[Josh Luthman]

The subject says BH as in BH10 or BH20...

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On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Patrick Shoemaker
 wrote:
> PTP400/500/800 is a completely different platform than PTP100/200.
>
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> On 9/8/2010 8:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> It's all the same hardware isn't it?
>
> On Sep 8, 2010 7:53 PM, "Patrick Shoemaker"
>  wrote:
>
>  First it would help to know what model BH you have.
>
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> On 9/8/2010 6:08 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
>> This is the third Motorola backhaul where the remote en...
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[Glenn Kelley]

vyatta has a $799 routing appliance that will work - 
pfsense - on hardware will do it for free - (what an amazing price) 

:-)


On Sep 8, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

> Welcome to the Mid-range of traffic handling...
> 
> There is nothing on the market place that is affordable  that will do 
> what you are looking for.
> 
> Best thing you can do is deploy two devices.. a Gig Switch, pick your 
> favorite vendor... and a Core Router for BGP
> 
> For Core Router in the Cisco world you are looking at something with a 
> G1 or G2 engine ... (7206vxr or small 7301) range $5k to 10K on the used 
> market place.
> 
> In Juniper Land... M10i or an M20 (if you like redundancy...) cost on 
> the secondary markets about $8 to $10k
> 
> You could use a Mikrotik Power Router.. cost $ 2500 to $5000
> 
> Only the Cisco 7301 and Mikrotik are small and consume little power... 
> Everything else is big and consumes power.
> 
> Most common, cost efficient network design would be to use GigE Switches 
> in a ring or your favorite network topology, with one or two Routers 
> located at DataCenters or NOC...
> 
> 
> If you find some other solution, that can do what you are looking for, 
> please share it with us, cause we have been looking too... what I am 
> sharing above with you is what we have found so far.
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 
> 
> On 9/8/2010 7:16 PM, Jon Auer wrote:
>> Needing full BGP routes takes you out of the realm of cheap Layer 3 
>> switches...
>> You need to worry about TCAM (hardware route memory) in addition to
>> RAM on Layer 3 switches and apart from decked out Cisco 6500s or
>> greater you aren't going to find that.
>> 
>> The Juniper MX80 should work. It is 2U and can have 48 GigE ports. You
>> should be able to get it for $30-50K.
>> 
>> Alternatively you could try a multihop BGP setup like Cogent has been
>> known to do.
>> Setup one BGP session between the customer and your Layer 3 switch at
>> the tower. This carriers a route for your border router/route
>> reflector to the customer and vice versa.
>> Then setup a BGP session between the customer and your border
>> router/route reflector.
>> 
>> Or you could drag MPLS into it but 2 simple BGP sessions seems like
>> the most straightforward solution to me.
>> 
>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Matt Jenkins  
>> wrote:
>>> I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T ports
>>> with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any
>>> suggestions?
>>> 
>>> For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls to
>>> support ~300mbps. In addition I need to be able to offer BGP connections
>>> to customers from this ring of backhauls.
>>> 
>>> - Matt
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[Jon Auer]

A good starting point would be if Mikrotik would lay off the "Linux on
underpowered embedded hardware" shtick for a dev cycle or two and make
a board using the Broadcom BMC56330 chipset for Layer3
switching+MPLS/VPLS.
If they can't port their software they could bolt on a existing OEM
router OS like ZebOS...

It feels like we are on the cusp of a routing revolution here. Chips
for Layer3 switching seem to be far more commoditized than they were
in the past where someone like Cisco would have to roll a ASIC. We
just need a vendor to glue the pieces together an sell us something...

The RB1100 is especially disappointing when you consider that they
could have used a different switchchip and had 70Gbps of IPv4/v6
hardware routing, ACL processing, MPLS, etc and jacked the price up by
a few K.


On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
> Welcome to the Mid-range of traffic handling...
>
> There is nothing on the market place that is affordable  that will do
> what you are looking for.
>
> Best thing you can do is deploy two devices.. a Gig Switch, pick your
> favorite vendor... and a Core Router for BGP
>
> For Core Router in the Cisco world you are looking at something with a
> G1 or G2 engine ... (7206vxr or small 7301) range $5k to 10K on the used
> market place.
>
> In Juniper Land... M10i or an M20 (if you like redundancy...) cost on
> the secondary markets about $8 to $10k
>
> You could use a Mikrotik Power Router.. cost $ 2500 to $5000
>
> Only the Cisco 7301 and Mikrotik are small and consume little power...
> Everything else is big and consumes power.
>
> Most common, cost efficient network design would be to use GigE Switches
> in a ring or your favorite network topology, with one or two Routers
> located at DataCenters or NOC...
>
>
> If you find some other solution, that can do what you are looking for,
> please share it with us, cause we have been looking too... what I am
> sharing above with you is what we have found so far.
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>
>
> On 9/8/2010 7:16 PM, Jon Auer wrote:
>> Needing full BGP routes takes you out of the realm of cheap Layer 3 
>> switches...
>> You need to worry about TCAM (hardware route memory) in addition to
>> RAM on Layer 3 switches and apart from decked out Cisco 6500s or
>> greater you aren't going to find that.
>>
>> The Juniper MX80 should work. It is 2U and can have 48 GigE ports. You
>> should be able to get it for $30-50K.
>>
>> Alternatively you could try a multihop BGP setup like Cogent has been
>> known to do.
>> Setup one BGP session between the customer and your Layer 3 switch at
>> the tower. This carriers a route for your border router/route
>> reflector to the customer and vice versa.
>> Then setup a BGP session between the customer and your border
>> router/route reflector.
>>
>> Or you could drag MPLS into it but 2 simple BGP sessions seems like
>> the most straightforward solution to me.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Matt Jenkins  
>> wrote:
>>> I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T ports
>>> with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any
>>> suggestions?
>>>
>>> For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls to
>>> support ~300mbps. In addition I need to be able to offer BGP connections
>>> to customers from this ring of backhauls.
>>>
>>> - Matt
>>>
>>>



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Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe

[Robert West]

Ah, but 2" OSD will allow 1.5" ISD to nest inside.



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Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:45 PM
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I think it will work on 1.5 but you don't want to go to 2"

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe

  1.25"  Damn.  I'm not sure I'd want to install something that small. 
Mostly I deal with the big dishes, so they can take just about any decent
size, but I am looking to put up some PowerBridges as well.

-
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On 9/8/2010 2:27 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
> UBNT u bolts work best with 1 1/4 inch.
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:20 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe
>
>While our grain leg is having some maintenance done on it, I thought
I'd have them weld pipes into the platform instead of my usual U-bolt or
similar attachment method.  I figured it'd be more secure than attaching
with hardware.
>
> What is a good universal pipe to have installed?  I don't remember
dimensions, but I recently tried to attach some UBNT PowerBridges at a site
and the pipe was too big.  Other times I've found the pipe too small for the
antenna's mount.  What did Goldilocks find for the pipe that was just right?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe

[Robert West]

Water pipe has always been too soft for me!  I use 2" OSD chain link fence
terminal post from the great satan, Home Depot.  Welds nice and is seam
welded.  Stiff!

In the 80's, we always said if it wasn't Stiff, it wasn't worth a ..


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Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe

I use 1.5" water pipe.  It's got an OD of 2" and is quite strong and very
cheap.
marlon

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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:19 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe


>  While our grain leg is having some maintenance done on it, I thought
> I'd have them weld pipes into the platform instead of my usual U-bolt or
> similar attachment method.  I figured it'd be more secure than attaching
> with hardware.
>
> What is a good universal pipe to have installed?  I don't remember
> dimensions, but I recently tried to attach some UBNT PowerBridges at a
> site and the pipe was too big.  Other times I've found the pipe too
> small for the antenna's mount.  What did Goldilocks find for the pipe
> that was just right?
>
>
> -- 
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Wireless errors

[Jeremie Chism]

Cpe transmit power is controlled by the cpe so it stays between 70-73. I had a 
suspicion it was the power line causing the problem. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 8, 2010, at 2:59 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

>  I used to believe that signal level as well, but for long links, you 
> really want more signal for fade.  I have a 25 mile 5 gig link that's 
> supposed to be around -55 (I haven't fine tuned the link yet) with 3' 
> dishes.  The noise floor at one end is about -80.  I've gotta have hot 
> signals for the high modulations to come through over the noise.
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
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> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/8/2010 2:56 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
>> That's likely it.
>> 
>> -62 is an awfully hot signal too.  I try to stay between -65 and -75.
>> Usually it's closer to -75 or -80 these days though.
>> 
>> With the 1 meg (handshakes etc.) speed sensitivity of the radios nowadays
>> at -94 or better that 30dB knife edge reflection off metal is much more
>> common of a problem than it used to be.
>> 
>> Might also just try turning the power down on the unit.  Move it up, down or
>> sideways, sometimes by just a couple of feet.
>> 
>> Hope that helps,
>> marlon
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jeremie Chism"
>> To: "WISPA General List"
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:36 PM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Wireless errors
>> 
>> 
>>> I have a wireless sub that from everything I can tell has a very good link.
>>> The signal is -62. Line of sight. No fade etc etc. There is only one
>>> problem. I am seeing fec errors. I just checked and the installer put it to
>>> where there is a power line about 25-30 feet straight out in front of the
>>> cpe. Could this cause the errors?
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Slightly OT - Mapping

[Brian Webster]

Bob,
Give me a call. Depending on the types of data you have to display
you have a few options. The printing however is always the hard part. Some
programs make it way more difficult than necessary to do large format plots.



Thank You,
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Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 5:58 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slightly OT - Mapping

Thanks,

I thought about Brian but the issue I have is that I need to blow these 
out with very short notice (read hours) and add and delete info as 
needed. Maybe he will chime in with some input

Tnx

-B-


Cameron Crum wrote:
> If you are looking for a real GIS platform, I'd highly recommend 
> Manifold. It is very inexpensive for what it does, and can handle 
> formats from just about every other GIS platform. If you don't want 
> the learning curve, I'd talk with Brian Webster over at 
> wirelessmapping.com . He can probably 
> generate the files you need in no time and the time savings would be 
> well worth whatever it costs you.
>
> Regards,
>
> Cameron
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Bob Moldashel  > wrote:
>
> Can anyone recommend a program or a resource that I can get high
> resolution maps from.  I have multiple project going where I need
> to map
> out say a county or a town and have streets as well as specific
> information user added to the map.  Then I need to output it to a
> plotter or Kinkos so we can make working material out of them.
>  Does not
> need to be color but color would be nice.
>
> I have to be able to print 24" x 36"
>
> Tnx
>
> -B-
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Wireless errors

[Robert West]

You got it!  It has to SCREAM to be heard consistently.



-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 4:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless errors

  I used to believe that signal level as well, but for long links, you
really want more signal for fade.  I have a 25 mile 5 gig link that's
supposed to be around -55 (I haven't fine tuned the link yet) with 3' 
dishes.  The noise floor at one end is about -80.  I've gotta have hot
signals for the high modulations to come through over the noise.

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On 9/8/2010 2:56 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> That's likely it.
>
> -62 is an awfully hot signal too.  I try to stay between -65 and -75.
> Usually it's closer to -75 or -80 these days though.
>
> With the 1 meg (handshakes etc.) speed sensitivity of the radios 
> nowadays at -94 or better that 30dB knife edge reflection off metal is 
> much more common of a problem than it used to be.
>
> Might also just try turning the power down on the unit.  Move it up, 
> down or sideways, sometimes by just a couple of feet.
>
> Hope that helps,
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jeremie Chism"
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:36 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Wireless errors
>
>
>> I have a wireless sub that from everything I can tell has a very good
link.
>> The signal is -62. Line of sight. No fade etc etc. There is only one 
>> problem. I am seeing fec errors. I just checked and the installer put 
>> it to where there is a power line about 25-30 feet straight out in 
>> front of the cpe. Could this cause the errors?
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod

[Robert West]

I learned to use a welder.  

 

Hobart Handler 140 from TSC has been the lifesaver for me with weird
hardware installs.E A S Y ! ! ! 

 

Bob-

 

 

 

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Behalf Of Jeremy Parr
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 4:44 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod

 

On 8 September 2010 12:53, Mike Hammett  wrote:

 I am looking to install a tripod on a commercial rooftop.  It's the
style with the metal framing (3' or larger spans) and just insulation
and the roofing material between.

What do you guys do when you have to setup a tripod on such a roof?  Two
legs could probably be secured to the metal framing, but what to do with
the 3rd leg is what puzzles me.

I have installed on this type of roof before, but it was with a DSS
mount.  I just sucked the 2 bolts holding the DSS down tight and used
nuts and lock washers on the back side.  I may have left the remaining
holes unsecured.  I seriously doubt I could do the same thing with a tripod.


Bolt Unistrut to each "foot" of the tripod, rotate the tripod so that the
Unistrut is perpendicular to the metal roof, and screen in to the ridges
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Re: [WISPA] Slightly OT - Mapping

[Robert West]

Towers cost nothing but trade for free service if using grain legs or
amateur ham towers.  The only cost is the infrastructure I put in, as
sectors and radios.

 

I always figure 1000 bucks per AP.

 

3 sectors, backhaul, radios, cable, switch and other weird items.

 

Me-

 

 

 

 

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How many towers do you have, and how much did that cost?

Randy


On 9/8/2010 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 

Brian did Earth and Maps from our site, inxwireless.com/coverage

On Sep 8, 2010 5:37 PM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:

If you are looking for a real GIS platform, I'd highly recommend Manifold.
It is very inexpensive for what it does, and can handle formats from just
about every other GIS platform. If you don't want the learning curve, I'd
talk with Brian Webster over at wirelessmapping.com. He can probably
generate the files you need in no time and the time savings would be well
worth whatever it costs you. 

Regards,

Cameron 


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Re: [WISPA] Moto BH Reset to Default

[Patrick Shoemaker]

 PTP400/500/800 is a completely different platform than PTP100/200.

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On 9/8/2010 8:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


It's all the same hardware isn't it?

On Sep 8, 2010 7:53 PM, "Patrick Shoemaker" 
> wrote:


 First it would help to know what model BH you have.

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Re: [WISPA] Moto BH Reset to Default

[Josh Luthman]

It's all the same hardware isn't it?

On Sep 8, 2010 7:53 PM, "Patrick Shoemaker" <
shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com> wrote:

 First it would help to know what model BH you have.

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Re: [WISPA] Moto BH Reset to Default

[Patrick Shoemaker]

  First it would help to know what model BH you have.

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On 9/8/2010 6:08 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
> This is the third Motorola backhaul where the remote end reset it's
> settings to default.  I've changed passwords and it did it again within
> an hour of leaving.  Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Slightly OT - Mapping

[Josh Luthman]

I can't begin to remember but very reasonable.  If out hadn't changed there
is a make price break at 10 towers.  I'm pretty sure we just hit that break
point and stopped.

On Sep 8, 2010 7:00 PM, "Randy Cosby"  wrote:

 How many towers do you have, and how much did that cost?

Randy




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> Brian did Earth and Maps from our site, inxwireless

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Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Welcome to the Mid-range of traffic handling...

There is nothing on the market place that is affordable  that will do 
what you are looking for.

Best thing you can do is deploy two devices.. a Gig Switch, pick your 
favorite vendor... and a Core Router for BGP

For Core Router in the Cisco world you are looking at something with a 
G1 or G2 engine ... (7206vxr or small 7301) range $5k to 10K on the used 
market place.

In Juniper Land... M10i or an M20 (if you like redundancy...) cost on 
the secondary markets about $8 to $10k

You could use a Mikrotik Power Router.. cost $ 2500 to $5000

Only the Cisco 7301 and Mikrotik are small and consume little power... 
Everything else is big and consumes power.

Most common, cost efficient network design would be to use GigE Switches 
in a ring or your favorite network topology, with one or two Routers 
located at DataCenters or NOC...


If you find some other solution, that can do what you are looking for, 
please share it with us, cause we have been looking too... what I am 
sharing above with you is what we have found so far.

Regards.

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Snappy Internet & Telecom


On 9/8/2010 7:16 PM, Jon Auer wrote:
> Needing full BGP routes takes you out of the realm of cheap Layer 3 
> switches...
> You need to worry about TCAM (hardware route memory) in addition to
> RAM on Layer 3 switches and apart from decked out Cisco 6500s or
> greater you aren't going to find that.
>
> The Juniper MX80 should work. It is 2U and can have 48 GigE ports. You
> should be able to get it for $30-50K.
>
> Alternatively you could try a multihop BGP setup like Cogent has been
> known to do.
> Setup one BGP session between the customer and your Layer 3 switch at
> the tower. This carriers a route for your border router/route
> reflector to the customer and vice versa.
> Then setup a BGP session between the customer and your border
> router/route reflector.
>
> Or you could drag MPLS into it but 2 simple BGP sessions seems like
> the most straightforward solution to me.
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Matt Jenkins  
> wrote:
>> I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T ports
>> with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any
>> suggestions?
>>
>> For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls to
>> support ~300mbps. In addition I need to be able to offer BGP connections
>> to customers from this ring of backhauls.
>>
>> - Matt
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[Jon Auer]

Needing full BGP routes takes you out of the realm of cheap Layer 3 switches...
You need to worry about TCAM (hardware route memory) in addition to
RAM on Layer 3 switches and apart from decked out Cisco 6500s or
greater you aren't going to find that.

The Juniper MX80 should work. It is 2U and can have 48 GigE ports. You
should be able to get it for $30-50K.

Alternatively you could try a multihop BGP setup like Cogent has been
known to do.
Setup one BGP session between the customer and your Layer 3 switch at
the tower. This carriers a route for your border router/route
reflector to the customer and vice versa.
Then setup a BGP session between the customer and your border
router/route reflector.

Or you could drag MPLS into it but 2 simple BGP sessions seems like
the most straightforward solution to me.

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Matt Jenkins  wrote:
> I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T ports
> with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any
> suggestions?
>
> For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls to
> support ~300mbps. In addition I need to be able to offer BGP connections
> to customers from this ring of backhauls.
>
> - Matt
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[Jeremy Parr]

On 8 September 2010 17:31, Matt Jenkins  wrote:

> I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T ports
> with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any
> suggestions?
>
> For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls to
> support ~300mbps. In addition I need to be able to offer BGP connections
> to customers from this ring of backhauls.
>

You don't necessarily need the switch to run BGP. You can have your custom
add a static route or two to reach a BGP peer on your network. This is
actually common practice, rather than peering directly with the providers
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Re: [WISPA] Slightly OT - Mapping

[Randy Cosby]

 How many towers do you have, and how much did that cost?

Randy


On 9/8/2010 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Brian did Earth and Maps from our site, inxwireless.com/coverage 



On Sep 8, 2010 5:37 PM, "Cameron Crum" > wrote:


If you are looking for a real GIS platform, I'd highly recommend 
Manifold. It is very inexpensive for what it does, and can handle 
formats from just about every other GIS platform. If you don't want 
the learning curve, I'd talk with Brian Webster over at 
wirelessmapping.com . He can probably 
generate the files you need in no time and the time savings would be 
well worth whatever it costs you.


Regards,

Cameron


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Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[David E. Smith]

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 17:09, Matt Jenkins wrote:

> I have 8+ backhauls at some sites. I want to move from a bridged network
> to a routed network using MPLS. This would simplify handing off business
> ethernet connections. It would also reduce all of the broadcast traffic
> going across the backhauls and reduce the VLAN management required. But
> I cant find a router that has more than about 6 1000base-T ports so I
> was thinking a Layer 3 switch that has 1GB of ram might be easier to
> find. The switch would also have the backplane to handle the traffic.
>
>
If you're going that route, it might be easier just to MPLS the BGP
customers all the way back to your NOC (or another central point a couple
steps removed from the towers), and do the BGP peering there. To the
customer, it still should look like one Ethernet segment so they don't have
to do multihop. Maybe still have a couple of these locations and multi-home
their BGP sessions. They'll still get all the benefits of your fancy
network, and suitable hardware will probably be a lot less expensive if you
only have to buy a couple big routers for your BGP sessions instead of
fitting it all into a large expensive switch.

Anyway, I can't find anything in the low end of the Cisco line that offers
that much RAM. No Catalyst gear, for instance. You'll likely need to look a
bit higher up in the "router" space, honestly. Probably not "Cisco CRS"
high, but this could be a fairly pricey project, which is why I'm trying to
think of alternatives.

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Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[Glenn Kelley]

You could simply build a pfsense and/or a vyatta router with an alix board and 
a few nics - 
Let me do a few searches - and will let you know what I find 

On Sep 8, 2010, at 6:21 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:

> Cisco and Juniper are both failing to have a reasonable product. 
> $60,000+ is a bit too expensive.
> 
> On 09/08/2010 03:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>   It also adds points of failure, increases power consumption, etc.
>> 
>> I'm sure Cisco or Juniper could handle it, but I'm not sure whom else.
>> Maybe a PowerRouter?
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/8/2010 5:17 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:
>> 
>>> Yeah that is an option, but increases the management overhead which is
>>> one of the primary things I am trying to reduce.
>>> 
>>> On 09/08/2010 03:13 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:
>>> 
 Another option is a simple router - that does vlans -
 vlan to the switch and go from there :-)
 
 
 On Sep 8, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:
 
 
> I have 8+ backhauls at some sites. I want to move from a bridged network
> to a routed network using MPLS. This would simplify handing off business
> ethernet connections. It would also reduce all of the broadcast traffic
> going across the backhauls and reduce the VLAN management required. But
> I cant find a router that has more than about 6 1000base-T ports so I
> was thinking a Layer 3 switch that has 1GB of ram might be easier to
> find. The switch would also have the backplane to handle the traffic.
> 
> On 09/08/2010 02:36 PM, David E. Smith wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 16:31, Matt Jenkins
>> mailto:m...@smarterbroadband.net>
>> >   wrote:
>> 
>> I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T
>> ports
>> with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any
>> suggestions?
>> 
>> For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls to
>> support ~300mbps. In addition I need to be able to offer BGP
>> connections
>> to customers from this ring of backhauls.
>> 
>> 
>> Seems like an interesting combination of things there. If I may ask,
>> why don't you leave the ring stuff and switching to the switches, and
>> routing stuff like BGP to separate routers? It'll probably make things
>> a lot easier to set up, and you'll be free to get the best switches
>> and the best routers for your needs instead of trying to find
>> something that's only so-so at either task.
>> 
>> (Not intended as criticism, I'm actually kinda curious about this
>> network layout.)
>> 
>> David Smith
>> MVN.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Slightly OT - Mapping

[Kristian Hoffmann]

It's a little daunting at first, but you can download the TIGER/Line
shapefiles for your area here...

http://www2.census.gov/cgi-bin/shapefiles2009/national-files

Select your State (on the right), and then county.  Then you can pick
which layers you want.  Then render them however you like in any GIS
application.  uDig is free (as in beer and speech) and should do what
you're looking for.

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> Can anyone recommend a program or a resource that I can get high 
> resolution maps from.  I have multiple project going where I need to map 
> out say a county or a town and have streets as well as specific 
> information user added to the map.  Then I need to output it to a 
> plotter or Kinkos so we can make working material out of them.  Does not 
> need to be color but color would be nice.
> 
> I have to be able to print 24" x 36"
> 
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> 
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[Matt Jenkins]

Cisco and Juniper are both failing to have a reasonable product. 
$60,000+ is a bit too expensive.

On 09/08/2010 03:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>It also adds points of failure, increases power consumption, etc.
>
> I'm sure Cisco or Juniper could handle it, but I'm not sure whom else.
> Maybe a PowerRouter?
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> On 9/8/2010 5:17 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:
>
>> Yeah that is an option, but increases the management overhead which is
>> one of the primary things I am trying to reduce.
>>
>> On 09/08/2010 03:13 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:
>>  
>>> Another option is a simple router - that does vlans -
>>> vlan to the switch and go from there :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 8, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:
>>>
>>>
 I have 8+ backhauls at some sites. I want to move from a bridged network
 to a routed network using MPLS. This would simplify handing off business
 ethernet connections. It would also reduce all of the broadcast traffic
 going across the backhauls and reduce the VLAN management required. But
 I cant find a router that has more than about 6 1000base-T ports so I
 was thinking a Layer 3 switch that has 1GB of ram might be easier to
 find. The switch would also have the backplane to handle the traffic.

 On 09/08/2010 02:36 PM, David E. Smith wrote:
  
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 16:31, Matt Jenkins
> mailto:m...@smarterbroadband.net>
> >   wrote:
>
>  I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T
>  ports
>  with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any
>  suggestions?
>
>  For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls to
>  support ~300mbps. In addition I need to be able to offer BGP
>  connections
>  to customers from this ring of backhauls.
>
>
> Seems like an interesting combination of things there. If I may ask,
> why don't you leave the ring stuff and switching to the switches, and
> routing stuff like BGP to separate routers? It'll probably make things
> a lot easier to set up, and you'll be free to get the best switches
> and the best routers for your needs instead of trying to find
> something that's only so-so at either task.
>
> (Not intended as criticism, I'm actually kinda curious about this
> network layout.)
>
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[Mike Hammett]

  It also adds points of failure, increases power consumption, etc.

I'm sure Cisco or Juniper could handle it, but I'm not sure whom else.  
Maybe a PowerRouter?

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On 9/8/2010 5:17 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:
> Yeah that is an option, but increases the management overhead which is
> one of the primary things I am trying to reduce.
>
> On 09/08/2010 03:13 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:
>> Another option is a simple router - that does vlans -
>> vlan to the switch and go from there :-)
>>
>>
>> On Sep 8, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:
>>
>>> I have 8+ backhauls at some sites. I want to move from a bridged network
>>> to a routed network using MPLS. This would simplify handing off business
>>> ethernet connections. It would also reduce all of the broadcast traffic
>>> going across the backhauls and reduce the VLAN management required. But
>>> I cant find a router that has more than about 6 1000base-T ports so I
>>> was thinking a Layer 3 switch that has 1GB of ram might be easier to
>>> find. The switch would also have the backplane to handle the traffic.
>>>
>>> On 09/08/2010 02:36 PM, David E. Smith wrote:

 On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 16:31, Matt Jenkins
 mailto:m...@smarterbroadband.net>
 >  wrote:

 I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T
 ports
 with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any
 suggestions?

 For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls to
 support ~300mbps. In addition I need to be able to offer BGP
 connections
 to customers from this ring of backhauls.


 Seems like an interesting combination of things there. If I may ask,
 why don't you leave the ring stuff and switching to the switches, and
 routing stuff like BGP to separate routers? It'll probably make things
 a lot easier to set up, and you'll be free to get the best switches
 and the best routers for your needs instead of trying to find
 something that's only so-so at either task.

 (Not intended as criticism, I'm actually kinda curious about this
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[Matt Jenkins]

Yeah that is an option, but increases the management overhead which is 
one of the primary things I am trying to reduce.

On 09/08/2010 03:13 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:
> Another option is a simple router - that does vlans -
> vlan to the switch and go from there :-)
>
>
> On Sep 8, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:
>
>> I have 8+ backhauls at some sites. I want to move from a bridged network
>> to a routed network using MPLS. This would simplify handing off business
>> ethernet connections. It would also reduce all of the broadcast traffic
>> going across the backhauls and reduce the VLAN management required. But
>> I cant find a router that has more than about 6 1000base-T ports so I
>> was thinking a Layer 3 switch that has 1GB of ram might be easier to
>> find. The switch would also have the backplane to handle the traffic.
>>
>> On 09/08/2010 02:36 PM, David E. Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 16:31, Matt Jenkins 
>>> mailto:m...@smarterbroadband.net>
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T
>>>ports
>>>with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any
>>>suggestions?
>>>
>>>For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls to
>>>support ~300mbps. In addition I need to be able to offer BGP
>>>connections
>>>to customers from this ring of backhauls.
>>>
>>>
>>> Seems like an interesting combination of things there. If I may ask,
>>> why don't you leave the ring stuff and switching to the switches, and
>>> routing stuff like BGP to separate routers? It'll probably make things
>>> a lot easier to set up, and you'll be free to get the best switches
>>> and the best routers for your needs instead of trying to find
>>> something that's only so-so at either task.
>>>
>>> (Not intended as criticism, I'm actually kinda curious about this
>>> network layout.)
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[Glenn Kelley]

Another option is a simple router - that does vlans - 
vlan to the switch and go from there :-)


On Sep 8, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:

> I have 8+ backhauls at some sites. I want to move from a bridged network 
> to a routed network using MPLS. This would simplify handing off business 
> ethernet connections. It would also reduce all of the broadcast traffic 
> going across the backhauls and reduce the VLAN management required. But 
> I cant find a router that has more than about 6 1000base-T ports so I 
> was thinking a Layer 3 switch that has 1GB of ram might be easier to 
> find. The switch would also have the backplane to handle the traffic.
> 
> On 09/08/2010 02:36 PM, David E. Smith wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 16:31, Matt Jenkins > > wrote:
>> 
>>I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T
>>ports
>>with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any
>>suggestions?
>> 
>>For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls to
>>support ~300mbps. In addition I need to be able to offer BGP
>>connections
>>to customers from this ring of backhauls.
>> 
>> 
>> Seems like an interesting combination of things there. If I may ask, 
>> why don't you leave the ring stuff and switching to the switches, and 
>> routing stuff like BGP to separate routers? It'll probably make things 
>> a lot easier to set up, and you'll be free to get the best switches 
>> and the best routers for your needs instead of trying to find 
>> something that's only so-so at either task.
>> 
>> (Not intended as criticism, I'm actually kinda curious about this 
>> network layout.)
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[Matt Jenkins]

I have 8+ backhauls at some sites. I want to move from a bridged network 
to a routed network using MPLS. This would simplify handing off business 
ethernet connections. It would also reduce all of the broadcast traffic 
going across the backhauls and reduce the VLAN management required. But 
I cant find a router that has more than about 6 1000base-T ports so I 
was thinking a Layer 3 switch that has 1GB of ram might be easier to 
find. The switch would also have the backplane to handle the traffic.

On 09/08/2010 02:36 PM, David E. Smith wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 16:31, Matt Jenkins  > wrote:
>
> I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T
> ports
> with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any
> suggestions?
>
> For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls to
> support ~300mbps. In addition I need to be able to offer BGP
> connections
> to customers from this ring of backhauls.
>
>
> Seems like an interesting combination of things there. If I may ask, 
> why don't you leave the ring stuff and switching to the switches, and 
> routing stuff like BGP to separate routers? It'll probably make things 
> a lot easier to set up, and you'll be free to get the best switches 
> and the best routers for your needs instead of trying to find 
> something that's only so-so at either task.
>
> (Not intended as criticism, I'm actually kinda curious about this 
> network layout.)
>
> David Smith
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[WISPA] Moto BH Reset to Default

[Forbes Mercy]

This is the third Motorola backhaul where the remote end reset it's 
settings to default.  I've changed passwords and it did it again within 
an hour of leaving.  Any ideas?

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Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[Mike Hammett]

 On the bigger equipment, the switches are much more affordable than 
the routers, but the routers scale up much higher.


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On 9/8/2010 4:36 PM, David E. Smith wrote:



On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 16:31, Matt Jenkins > wrote:


I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T
ports
with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any
suggestions?

For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls to
support ~300mbps. In addition I need to be able to offer BGP
connections
to customers from this ring of backhauls.


Seems like an interesting combination of things there. If I may ask, 
why don't you leave the ring stuff and switching to the switches, and 
routing stuff like BGP to separate routers? It'll probably make things 
a lot easier to set up, and you'll be free to get the best switches 
and the best routers for your needs instead of trying to find 
something that's only so-so at either task.


(Not intended as criticism, I'm actually kinda curious about this 
network layout.)


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Re: [WISPA] Slightly OT - Mapping

[Bob Moldashel]

Thanks,

I thought about Brian but the issue I have is that I need to blow these 
out with very short notice (read hours) and add and delete info as 
needed. Maybe he will chime in with some input

Tnx

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Cameron Crum wrote:
> If you are looking for a real GIS platform, I'd highly recommend 
> Manifold. It is very inexpensive for what it does, and can handle 
> formats from just about every other GIS platform. If you don't want 
> the learning curve, I'd talk with Brian Webster over at 
> wirelessmapping.com . He can probably 
> generate the files you need in no time and the time savings would be 
> well worth whatever it costs you.
>
> Regards,
>
> Cameron
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Bob Moldashel  > wrote:
>
> Can anyone recommend a program or a resource that I can get high
> resolution maps from.  I have multiple project going where I need
> to map
> out say a county or a town and have streets as well as specific
> information user added to the map.  Then I need to output it to a
> plotter or Kinkos so we can make working material out of them.
>  Does not
> need to be color but color would be nice.
>
> I have to be able to print 24" x 36"
>
> Tnx
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Re: [WISPA] Slightly OT - Mapping

[Josh Luthman]

Brian did Earth and Maps from our site, inxwireless.com/coverage

On Sep 8, 2010 5:37 PM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:

If you are looking for a real GIS platform, I'd highly recommend Manifold.
It is very inexpensive for what it does, and can handle formats from just
about every other GIS platform. If you don't want the learning curve, I'd
talk with Brian Webster over at wirelessmapping.com. He can probably
generate the files you need in no time and the time savings would be well
worth whatever it costs you.

Regards,

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Re: [WISPA] Slightly OT - Mapping

[Cameron Crum]

If you are looking for a real GIS platform, I'd highly recommend Manifold.
It is very inexpensive for what it does, and can handle formats from just
about every other GIS platform. If you don't want the learning curve, I'd
talk with Brian Webster over at wirelessmapping.com. He can probably
generate the files you need in no time and the time savings would be well
worth whatever it costs you.

Regards,

Cameron

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Bob Moldashel  wrote:

> Can anyone recommend a program or a resource that I can get high
> resolution maps from.  I have multiple project going where I need to map
> out say a county or a town and have streets as well as specific
> information user added to the map.  Then I need to output it to a
> plotter or Kinkos so we can make working material out of them.  Does not
> need to be color but color would be nice.
>
> I have to be able to print 24" x 36"
>
> Tnx
>
> -B-
>
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[David E. Smith]

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 16:31, Matt Jenkins wrote:

> I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T ports
> with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any
> suggestions?
>
> For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls to
> support ~300mbps. In addition I need to be able to offer BGP connections
> to customers from this ring of backhauls.


Seems like an interesting combination of things there. If I may ask, why
don't you leave the ring stuff and switching to the switches, and routing
stuff like BGP to separate routers? It'll probably make things a lot easier
to set up, and you'll be free to get the best switches and the best routers
for your needs instead of trying to find something that's only so-so at
either task.

(Not intended as criticism, I'm actually kinda curious about this network
layout.)

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[WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

[Matt Jenkins]

I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T ports 
with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any 
suggestions?

For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls to 
support ~300mbps. In addition I need to be able to offer BGP connections 
to customers from this ring of backhauls.

- Matt



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[WISPA] Slightly OT - Mapping

[Bob Moldashel]

Can anyone recommend a program or a resource that I can get high 
resolution maps from.  I have multiple project going where I need to map 
out say a county or a town and have streets as well as specific 
information user added to the map.  Then I need to output it to a 
plotter or Kinkos so we can make working material out of them.  Does not 
need to be color but color would be nice.

I have to be able to print 24" x 36"

Tnx

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Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod

[Scott Reed]

 Or bolt Unistrut to the structural members such that the tripod can be 
bolted to the strut.


On 9/8/2010 4:43 PM, Jeremy Parr wrote:
On 8 September 2010 12:53, Mike Hammett > wrote:


 I am looking to install a tripod on a commercial rooftop.  It's the
style with the metal framing (3' or larger spans) and just insulation
and the roofing material between.

What do you guys do when you have to setup a tripod on such a
roof?  Two
legs could probably be secured to the metal framing, but what to
do with
the 3rd leg is what puzzles me.

I have installed on this type of roof before, but it was with a DSS
mount.  I just sucked the 2 bolts holding the DSS down tight and used
nuts and lock washers on the back side.  I may have left the remaining
holes unsecured.  I seriously doubt I could do the same thing with
a tripod.


Bolt Unistrut to each "foot" of the tripod, rotate the tripod so that 
the Unistrut is perpendicular to the metal roof, and screen in to the 
ridges with sheet metal screws.






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Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod

[Jeremy Parr]

On 8 September 2010 12:53, Mike Hammett  wrote:

>  I am looking to install a tripod on a commercial rooftop.  It's the
> style with the metal framing (3' or larger spans) and just insulation
> and the roofing material between.
>
> What do you guys do when you have to setup a tripod on such a roof?  Two
> legs could probably be secured to the metal framing, but what to do with
> the 3rd leg is what puzzles me.
>
> I have installed on this type of roof before, but it was with a DSS
> mount.  I just sucked the 2 bolts holding the DSS down tight and used
> nuts and lock washers on the back side.  I may have left the remaining
> holes unsecured.  I seriously doubt I could do the same thing with a
> tripod.
>

Bolt Unistrut to each "foot" of the tripod, rotate the tripod so that the
Unistrut is perpendicular to the metal roof, and screen in to the ridges
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Re: [WISPA] Wireless errors

[Mike Hammett]

  I used to believe that signal level as well, but for long links, you 
really want more signal for fade.  I have a 25 mile 5 gig link that's 
supposed to be around -55 (I haven't fine tuned the link yet) with 3' 
dishes.  The noise floor at one end is about -80.  I've gotta have hot 
signals for the high modulations to come through over the noise.

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On 9/8/2010 2:56 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> That's likely it.
>
> -62 is an awfully hot signal too.  I try to stay between -65 and -75.
> Usually it's closer to -75 or -80 these days though.
>
> With the 1 meg (handshakes etc.) speed sensitivity of the radios nowadays
> at -94 or better that 30dB knife edge reflection off metal is much more
> common of a problem than it used to be.
>
> Might also just try turning the power down on the unit.  Move it up, down or
> sideways, sometimes by just a couple of feet.
>
> Hope that helps,
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jeremie Chism"
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:36 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Wireless errors
>
>
>> I have a wireless sub that from everything I can tell has a very good link.
>> The signal is -62. Line of sight. No fade etc etc. There is only one
>> problem. I am seeing fec errors. I just checked and the installer put it to
>> where there is a power line about 25-30 feet straight out in front of the
>> cpe. Could this cause the errors?
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Wireless errors

[Marlon K. Schafer]

That's likely it.

-62 is an awfully hot signal too.  I try to stay between -65 and -75. 
Usually it's closer to -75 or -80 these days though.

With the 1 meg (handshakes etc.) speed sensitivity of the radios nowadays 
at -94 or better that 30dB knife edge reflection off metal is much more 
common of a problem than it used to be.

Might also just try turning the power down on the unit.  Move it up, down or 
sideways, sometimes by just a couple of feet.

Hope that helps,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Jeremie Chism" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:36 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Wireless errors


>I have a wireless sub that from everything I can tell has a very good link. 
>The signal is -62. Line of sight. No fade etc etc. There is only one 
>problem. I am seeing fec errors. I just checked and the installer put it to 
>where there is a power line about 25-30 feet straight out in front of the 
>cpe. Could this cause the errors?
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Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe

[Marlon K. Schafer]

I use 1.5" water pipe.  It's got an OD of 2" and is quite strong and very 
cheap.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:19 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe


>  While our grain leg is having some maintenance done on it, I thought
> I'd have them weld pipes into the platform instead of my usual U-bolt or
> similar attachment method.  I figured it'd be more secure than attaching
> with hardware.
>
> What is a good universal pipe to have installed?  I don't remember
> dimensions, but I recently tried to attach some UBNT PowerBridges at a
> site and the pipe was too big.  Other times I've found the pipe too
> small for the antenna's mount.  What did Goldilocks find for the pipe
> that was just right?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe

[Justin Wilson]

You could go 2² with some pipe to pipe mounts.  This would protect you
from lightning a little better and give you flexibility.
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From: Mike Hammett 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 14:19:33 -0500
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe

  While our grain leg is having some maintenance done on it, I thought
I'd have them weld pipes into the platform instead of my usual U-bolt or
similar attachment method.  I figured it'd be more secure than attaching
with hardware.

What is a good universal pipe to have installed?  I don't remember
dimensions, but I recently tried to attach some UBNT PowerBridges at a
site and the pipe was too big.  Other times I've found the pipe too
small for the antenna's mount.  What did Goldilocks find for the pipe
that was just right?


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Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe

[Steve Barnes]

I think it will work on 1.5 but you don't want to go to 2"

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe

  1.25"  Damn.  I'm not sure I'd want to install something that small. 
Mostly I deal with the big dishes, so they can take just about any decent size, 
but I am looking to put up some PowerBridges as well.

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On 9/8/2010 2:27 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
> UBNT u bolts work best with 1 1/4 inch.
>
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:20 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe
>
>While our grain leg is having some maintenance done on it, I thought I'd 
> have them weld pipes into the platform instead of my usual U-bolt or similar 
> attachment method.  I figured it'd be more secure than attaching with 
> hardware.
>
> What is a good universal pipe to have installed?  I don't remember 
> dimensions, but I recently tried to attach some UBNT PowerBridges at a site 
> and the pipe was too big.  Other times I've found the pipe too small for the 
> antenna's mount.  What did Goldilocks find for the pipe that was just right?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod

[RickG]

$17.95

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Chris Hudson  wrote:

>  That's it. Without logging in, what kind of pricing?
>
> Chris
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* RickG 
> *To:* WISPA General List 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:18 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod
>
> http://www.skywalker.com/images/image/SKY32809.jpg
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Chris Hudson wrote:
>
>> Aren't there some that have a floating leg.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Mike Hammett" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>  Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod
>>
>>
>> >  I had thought about a non penetrating mount, but that wouldn't work
>> > with this particular roofing material.  The ridges in the metal roof are
>> > up to 3" tall.
>> >
>> > -
>> > Mike Hammett
>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> > http://www.ics-il.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 9/8/2010 12:18 PM, Blake Bowers wrote:
>> >> http://www.moonblinkwifi.com/pd_rohn_5.cfm
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> This is the kind of mount we specify on the rooftops we
>> >> manage - for smaller antennas.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> - Original Message -
>> >>> From: "Mike Hammett"
>> >>> To: "WISPA General List"
>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 9:53 AM
>> >>> Subject: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod
>> >>>
>> >>>
>>    I am looking to install a tripod on a commercial rooftop.  It's the
>>  style with the metal framing (3' or larger spans) and just insulation
>>  and the roofing material between.
>> 
>>  What do you guys do when you have to setup a tripod on such a roof?
>>  Two
>>  legs could probably be secured to the metal framing, but what to do
>>  with
>>  the 3rd leg is what puzzles me.
>> 
>>  I have installed on this type of roof before, but it was with a DSS
>>  mount.  I just sucked the 2 bolts holding the DSS down tight and used
>>  nuts and lock washers on the back side.  I may have left the
>> remaining
>>  holes unsecured.  I seriously doubt I could do the same thing with a
>>  tripod.
>> 
>> 
>>  --
>> 
>> 
>>  -
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>>  Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>  http://www.ics-il.com
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Re: [WISPA] IPv6 transition

[Chris Gotstein]

I've been working with IPv6 for the past year.  We have native IPv6 from
both our providers and also have our own /32.  It is enabled on our core
network and a few servers for testing. I have held off on making it
available to end-users at this time.  There is still some issues with
pushing out subnets (DHCPv6) and also finding CPE devices that support
IPv6.  My goal is to have IPv6 on all our core routers, dns servers, web
servers, mail servers, and other core services within the next 6 months.
 After that i would like to start making IPv6 available to end-users on
a request basis.  From there it would be providing IPv6 to any user who
has equipment that can support running it.  I'm only planning IPv6 on
the public side of the network, i do not see a reason to move the
management (private) side over to IPv6 at this time.  I have also setup
a 6to4 relay on our core router for those customers that have 6to4
devices running.

   
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On 9/8/2010 2:30 PM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Has anyone begun planning or implementing their IPv6 transition?
> 
> We're using mostly MikroTik for routing, so there's basic support there,
> but it's still lacking some important features.  After researching the
> myriad transition mechanisms, I'm no closer to coming up with a good
> plan.  It seems that every RFC available on the subject has been
> deprecated by a newer unimplemented RFC.
> 
> Has anyone had better luck coming up with a plan using components
> regularly available to WISPs?
> 
> Thanks,
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[WISPA] Wireless errors

[Jeremie Chism]

I have a wireless sub that from everything I can tell has a very good link. The 
signal is -62. Line of sight. No fade etc etc. There is only one problem. I am 
seeing fec errors. I just checked and the installer put it to where there is a 
power line about 25-30 feet straight out in front of the cpe. Could this cause 
the errors?

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Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe

[Mike Hammett]

  1.25"  Damn.  I'm not sure I'd want to install something that small. 
Mostly I deal with the big dishes, so they can take just about any 
decent size, but I am looking to put up some PowerBridges as well.

-
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On 9/8/2010 2:27 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
> UBNT u bolts work best with 1 1/4 inch.
>
> Steve Barnes
> General Manager
> PCS-WIN
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:20 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe
>
>While our grain leg is having some maintenance done on it, I thought I'd 
> have them weld pipes into the platform instead of my usual U-bolt or similar 
> attachment method.  I figured it'd be more secure than attaching with 
> hardware.
>
> What is a good universal pipe to have installed?  I don't remember 
> dimensions, but I recently tried to attach some UBNT PowerBridges at a site 
> and the pipe was too big.  Other times I've found the pipe too small for the 
> antenna's mount.  What did Goldilocks find for the pipe that was just right?
>
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[WISPA] IPv6 transition

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Hi,

Has anyone begun planning or implementing their IPv6 transition?

We're using mostly MikroTik for routing, so there's basic support there,
but it's still lacking some important features.  After researching the
myriad transition mechanisms, I'm no closer to coming up with a good
plan.  It seems that every RFC available on the subject has been
deprecated by a newer unimplemented RFC.

Has anyone had better luck coming up with a plan using components
regularly available to WISPs?

Thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe

[Steve Barnes]

UBNT u bolts work best with 1 1/4 inch.

Steve Barnes
General Manager
PCS-WIN
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe

  While our grain leg is having some maintenance done on it, I thought I'd have 
them weld pipes into the platform instead of my usual U-bolt or similar 
attachment method.  I figured it'd be more secure than attaching with hardware.

What is a good universal pipe to have installed?  I don't remember dimensions, 
but I recently tried to attach some UBNT PowerBridges at a site and the pipe 
was too big.  Other times I've found the pipe too small for the antenna's 
mount.  What did Goldilocks find for the pipe that was just right?


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Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe

[Scott Reed]

  Most everything will fit on 1-1/2", but I like 2" much better.

On 9/8/2010 3:19 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>While our grain leg is having some maintenance done on it, I thought
> I'd have them weld pipes into the platform instead of my usual U-bolt or
> similar attachment method.  I figured it'd be more secure than attaching
> with hardware.
>
> What is a good universal pipe to have installed?  I don't remember
> dimensions, but I recently tried to attach some UBNT PowerBridges at a
> site and the pipe was too big.  Other times I've found the pipe too
> small for the antenna's mount.  What did Goldilocks find for the pipe
> that was just right?
>
>

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Re: [WISPA] Recommendation on Redline's PtP line?

[Jeremie Chism]

Nothing against redline but I put a few ubnt links up against my better 
judgement and have been very impressed. Their price point always scared me.  

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 8, 2010, at 2:12 PM, Rogelio  wrote:

> I've got a project where I need some affordable PtP links with as
> little latency as possible, and a friend recommended Redline
> 
> http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProducts.do?skus=344025%2C344476&WT.mc_id=enews&contactID=13579320&gwkey=SVRE3SHRV3
> 
> http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=344476&eventPage=1
> http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=344025&eventPage=1
> 
> They are TDD, and from what I hear, they are conservative in their
> throughput numbers but tend to outperform other vendors who inflate
> their numbers.
> 
> Any input there?  The ones I listed there run about $1600 retail on
> TESSCO's site.
> 
> 
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[WISPA] Grain leg pipe

[Mike Hammett]

  While our grain leg is having some maintenance done on it, I thought 
I'd have them weld pipes into the platform instead of my usual U-bolt or 
similar attachment method.  I figured it'd be more secure than attaching 
with hardware.

What is a good universal pipe to have installed?  I don't remember 
dimensions, but I recently tried to attach some UBNT PowerBridges at a 
site and the pipe was too big.  Other times I've found the pipe too 
small for the antenna's mount.  What did Goldilocks find for the pipe 
that was just right?


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Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M

[Justin Wilson]

I was not happy after climbing a tower where the cell company put their
feedlines in front of the safety climb! Hehe.  Would have been better if the
UBNT had worked correctly. Oh well, part of being in the WISP industry. :-)
-- 
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Wisp Consulting ­ Tower Climbing ­ Network Support




From: Chuck Hogg 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:04:40 -0400
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M

I'm just happy that I'm not the only one with this problem.

Regards,

Chuck


On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
> Justin the power supply is outputting 15.3 Vdc as far as the other MT on the
> tower see.
>  
> 
> Steve Barnes
> General Manager
> 
> PCS-WIN 
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service 
>  
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
> Of Justin Wilson
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:30 AM
> 
> 
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M
>  
>    In our case we had a switch we put ³inline² and that made no difference.  I
> figured it might have been an issue with the 493G board.  We used to see
> issues with Tranzeo and 450Gs so I figured it might be similar.  Putting the
> switch in did not help.  Cable run is only about 20 feet.  It is being powered
> by a 12 Volt power supply instead of 24.  Other devices on the tower are able
> to get good speeds to the Mikortik.  
> 
> Some theories at the moment:
> 
> 1.When the radio transmits it draws enough power away from the ethernet
> chipset to cause issues.
> 2.The unit really does need 24volt (or higher than 12 at least)
> 3.The Unit itself has an issue with the ethernet port.
> 4.Mikrotik board has an issue.
> 
> Justin
> -- 
> Justin Wilson http://j...@mtin.net> >
> http://www.mtin.net/blog ­ xISP News
> http://www.twitter.com/j2sw ­ Follow me on Twitter
> Wisp Consulting ­ Tower Climbing ­ Network Support
> 
> 
> 
> From: Chuck Hogg http://ch...@shelbybb.com> >
> Reply-To: WISPA General List http://wireless@wispa.org> >
> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:11:48 -0400
> To: http://fai...@snappydsl.net> >, WISPA General List
> http://wireless@wispa.org> >
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M
> 
> I'm running AirOS V5.2.1-RC2 (which is the latest as of yesterday)
> 
> It happened with the factory firmware and the RC1 as well.
> 
> The issue also occurs with my laptop running btest or any type of ping flood.
> 
> I have 6 cat5 runs up one of the towers, Motorola works fine and I have
> switched cables, different manufacturer as well.  Same issue.
> 
> When I use the air test from the UBNT device it works fine.  When I plug a
> laptop in on each side, I get the same results.
> 
> No bandwidth shaping.  Have tried multiple different devices on each side, the
> only thing that works is an expensive Managed Dell Switch.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Faisal Imtiaz   > wrote:
> Is it  possible to change and test to see if it the Radios's or the
> MK493ah that is root cause of this issue.
> 
> Also, do you get the same results when you run the test from one side or
> the other ?
> Could you have some Bandwidth Shaping in place ?
> 
> do you have another Mikrotik eg. 750g that you could plug int one side
> to see if that makes a difference ?
> (I have Rocket M5's working on MK750 & MK750g.. no issues...
> 
> Another suggestion to try is .. change the firmware to the 3x train on
> the MK493ah board and see if you get the same results..
> 
> Got to narrow down further...
> 
> Do both sides of the link (I am assuming both sides have a MK router ),
> showing similar behavior between the Rocket & Mk Router ?
> 
> Just for kicks, you can update the firmware to 5.2.1 beta 3... (get it
> from the UBNT Forum) and see if the results change.. if they don' then
> ... pretty sure it is not a radio side issue
> 
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 
> 
> On 9/7/2010 10:50 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
>> > Set all to Auto Neg and no change
>> > Here is SSH report
>> > XM.v5.2# /bin/ifconfig
>> > ath0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:15:6D:60:92:85
>> >            UP BROADCAST RUNNING PROMISC ALLMULTI MULTICAST  MTU:1500
>> > Metric:1
>> >            RX packets:965042 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>> >            TX packets:713224 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>> >            collisions:0 txqueuelen:200
>> >            RX bytes:1138023050 (1.0 GiB)  TX bytes:100227281 (95.5 MiB)
>> >
>> > br0       Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:15:6D:60:92:85
>> >            inet addr:10.10.2.179  Bcast:10.10.2.183  Mask:255.255.255.248
>> >            UP BROADCAST RUNNING ALLMULTI MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>> >            RX packets:7089 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>> >            TX packets:7162 errors:

[WISPA] Recommendation on Redline's PtP line?

[Rogelio]

I've got a project where I need some affordable PtP links with as
little latency as possible, and a friend recommended Redline

http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProducts.do?skus=344025%2C344476&WT.mc_id=enews&contactID=13579320&gwkey=SVRE3SHRV3

http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=344476&eventPage=1
http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=344025&eventPage=1

They are TDD, and from what I hear, they are conservative in their
throughput numbers but tend to outperform other vendors who inflate
their numbers.

Any input there?  The ones I listed there run about $1600 retail on
TESSCO's site.



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Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M

[Chuck Hogg]

I'm just happy that I'm not the only one with this problem.

Regards,

Chuck


On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:

> Justin the power supply is outputting 15.3 Vdc as far as the other MT on
> the tower see.
>
>
>
> *Steve Barnes*
>
> General Manager
>
> PCS-WIN 
>
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service 
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Justin Wilson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:30 AM
>
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M
>
>
>
>In our case we had a switch we put “inline” and that made no difference.
>  I figured it might have been an issue with the 493G board.  We used to see
> issues with Tranzeo and 450Gs so I figured it might be similar.  Putting the
> switch in did not help.  Cable run is only about 20 feet.  It is being
> powered by a 12 Volt power supply instead of 24.  Other devices on the tower
> are able to get good speeds to the Mikortik.
>
> Some theories at the moment:
>
> 1.When the radio transmits it draws enough power away from the ethernet
> chipset to cause issues.
> 2.The unit really does need 24volt (or higher than 12 at least)
> 3.The Unit itself has an issue with the ethernet port.
> 4.Mikrotik board has an issue.
>
> Justin
> --
> Justin Wilson 
> http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News
> http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter
> Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *Chuck Hogg 
> *Reply-To: *WISPA General List 
> *Date: *Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:11:48 -0400
> *To: *, WISPA General List 
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M
>
> I'm running AirOS V5.2.1-RC2 (which is the latest as of yesterday)
>
> It happened with the factory firmware and the RC1 as well.
>
> The issue also occurs with my laptop running btest or any type of ping
> flood.
>
> I have 6 cat5 runs up one of the towers, Motorola works fine and I have
> switched cables, different manufacturer as well.  Same issue.
>
> When I use the air test from the UBNT device it works fine.  When I plug a
> laptop in on each side, I get the same results.
>
> No bandwidth shaping.  Have tried multiple different devices on each side,
> the only thing that works is an expensive Managed Dell Switch.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chuck
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
> Is it  possible to change and test to see if it the Radios's or the
> MK493ah that is root cause of this issue.
>
> Also, do you get the same results when you run the test from one side or
> the other ?
> Could you have some Bandwidth Shaping in place ?
>
> do you have another Mikrotik eg. 750g that you could plug int one side
> to see if that makes a difference ?
> (I have Rocket M5's working on MK750 & MK750g.. no issues...
>
> Another suggestion to try is .. change the firmware to the 3x train on
> the MK493ah board and see if you get the same results..
>
> Got to narrow down further...
>
> Do both sides of the link (I am assuming both sides have a MK router ),
> showing similar behavior between the Rocket & Mk Router ?
>
> Just for kicks, you can update the firmware to 5.2.1 beta 3... (get it
> from the UBNT Forum) and see if the results change.. if they don' then
> ... pretty sure it is not a radio side issue
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>
>
> On 9/7/2010 10:50 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
> > Set all to Auto Neg and no change
> > Here is SSH report
> > XM.v5.2# /bin/ifconfig
> > ath0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:15:6D:60:92:85
> >UP BROADCAST RUNNING PROMISC ALLMULTI MULTICAST  MTU:1500
> > Metric:1
> >RX packets:965042 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
> >TX packets:713224 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
> >collisions:0 txqueuelen:200
> >RX bytes:1138023050 (1.0 GiB)  TX bytes:100227281 (95.5 MiB)
> >
> > br0   Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:15:6D:60:92:85
> >inet addr:10.10.2.179  Bcast:10.10.2.183  Mask:255.255.255.248
> >UP BROADCAST RUNNING ALLMULTI MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
> >RX packets:7089 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
> >TX packets:7162 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
> >collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
> >RX bytes:1499867 (1.4 MiB)  TX bytes:3939545 (3.7 MiB)
> >
> > br0:0 Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:15:6D:60:92:85
> >inet addr:169.254.146.133  Bcast:169.254.255.255
> > Mask:255.255.0.0
> >UP BROADCAST RUNNING ALLMULTI MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
> >
> > eth0_real Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:15:6D:61:92:85
> >UP BROADCAST RUNNING PROMISC MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
> >RX packets:708537 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
> >TX packets:959167 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
> >collisions:0 txqueuelen:500

Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod

[Jason Bailey]

For commercial vsat we would build up with treated 4x4 and bolt standard 
non-pen to it.

--- On Wed, 9/8/10, Marlon K. Schafer  wrote:


From: Marlon K. Schafer 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 1:09 PM


If you can get to the underside put angle iron or square tubing between the 
support beams and put your bolts through them.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 9:53 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod


>  I am looking to install a tripod on a commercial rooftop.  It's the
> style with the metal framing (3' or larger spans) and just insulation
> and the roofing material between.
>
> What do you guys do when you have to setup a tripod on such a roof?  Two
> legs could probably be secured to the metal framing, but what to do with
> the 3rd leg is what puzzles me.
>
> I have installed on this type of roof before, but it was with a DSS
> mount.  I just sucked the 2 bolts holding the DSS down tight and used
> nuts and lock washers on the back side.  I may have left the remaining
> holes unsecured.  I seriously doubt I could do the same thing with a 
> tripod.
>
>
> -- 
>
>
> -
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Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod

[Chris Hudson]

That's it. Without logging in, what kind of pricing?

Chris
  - Original Message - 
  From: RickG 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod


  http://www.skywalker.com/images/image/SKY32809.jpg


  On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Chris Hudson  wrote:

Aren't there some that have a floating leg.

Chris


- Original Message -
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: "WISPA General List" 

Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod


>  I had thought about a non penetrating mount, but that wouldn't work
> with this particular roofing material.  The ridges in the metal roof are
> up to 3" tall.
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 9/8/2010 12:18 PM, Blake Bowers wrote:
>> http://www.moonblinkwifi.com/pd_rohn_5.cfm
>>
>>
>> This is the kind of mount we specify on the rooftops we
>> manage - for smaller antennas.
>>
>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Mike Hammett"
>>> To: "WISPA General List"
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 9:53 AM
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod
>>>
>>>
   I am looking to install a tripod on a commercial rooftop.  It's the
 style with the metal framing (3' or larger spans) and just insulation
 and the roofing material between.

 What do you guys do when you have to setup a tripod on such a roof?
 Two
 legs could probably be secured to the metal framing, but what to do
 with
 the 3rd leg is what puzzles me.

 I have installed on this type of roof before, but it was with a DSS
 mount.  I just sucked the 2 bolts holding the DSS down tight and used
 nuts and lock washers on the back side.  I may have left the remaining
 holes unsecured.  I seriously doubt I could do the same thing with a
 tripod.


 --


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com




 

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Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod

[RickG]

http://www.skywalker.com/images/image/SKY32809.jpg

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Chris Hudson  wrote:

> Aren't there some that have a floating leg.
>
> Chris
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod
>
>
> >  I had thought about a non penetrating mount, but that wouldn't work
> > with this particular roofing material.  The ridges in the metal roof are
> > up to 3" tall.
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > http://www.ics-il.com
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/8/2010 12:18 PM, Blake Bowers wrote:
> >> http://www.moonblinkwifi.com/pd_rohn_5.cfm
> >>
> >>
> >> This is the kind of mount we specify on the rooftops we
> >> manage - for smaller antennas.
> >>
> >>
> >>> - Original Message -
> >>> From: "Mike Hammett"
> >>> To: "WISPA General List"
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 9:53 AM
> >>> Subject: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod
> >>>
> >>>
>    I am looking to install a tripod on a commercial rooftop.  It's the
>  style with the metal framing (3' or larger spans) and just insulation
>  and the roofing material between.
> 
>  What do you guys do when you have to setup a tripod on such a roof?
>  Two
>  legs could probably be secured to the metal framing, but what to do
>  with
>  the 3rd leg is what puzzles me.
> 
>  I have installed on this type of roof before, but it was with a DSS
>  mount.  I just sucked the 2 bolts holding the DSS down tight and used
>  nuts and lock washers on the back side.  I may have left the remaining
>  holes unsecured.  I seriously doubt I could do the same thing with a
>  tripod.
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod

[Chris Hudson]

Aren't there some that have a floating leg.

Chris

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod


>  I had thought about a non penetrating mount, but that wouldn't work
> with this particular roofing material.  The ridges in the metal roof are
> up to 3" tall.
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
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> On 9/8/2010 12:18 PM, Blake Bowers wrote:
>> http://www.moonblinkwifi.com/pd_rohn_5.cfm
>>
>>
>> This is the kind of mount we specify on the rooftops we
>> manage - for smaller antennas.
>>
>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Mike Hammett"
>>> To: "WISPA General List"
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 9:53 AM
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod
>>>
>>>
   I am looking to install a tripod on a commercial rooftop.  It's the
 style with the metal framing (3' or larger spans) and just insulation
 and the roofing material between.

 What do you guys do when you have to setup a tripod on such a roof? 
 Two
 legs could probably be secured to the metal framing, but what to do 
 with
 the 3rd leg is what puzzles me.

 I have installed on this type of roof before, but it was with a DSS
 mount.  I just sucked the 2 bolts holding the DSS down tight and used
 nuts and lock washers on the back side.  I may have left the remaining
 holes unsecured.  I seriously doubt I could do the same thing with a
 tripod.


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Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod

[Mike Hammett]

  I had thought about a non penetrating mount, but that wouldn't work 
with this particular roofing material.  The ridges in the metal roof are 
up to 3" tall.

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On 9/8/2010 12:18 PM, Blake Bowers wrote:
> http://www.moonblinkwifi.com/pd_rohn_5.cfm
>
>
> This is the kind of mount we specify on the rooftops we
> manage - for smaller antennas.
>
>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Mike Hammett"
>> To: "WISPA General List"
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 9:53 AM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod
>>
>>
>>>   I am looking to install a tripod on a commercial rooftop.  It's the
>>> style with the metal framing (3' or larger spans) and just insulation
>>> and the roofing material between.
>>>
>>> What do you guys do when you have to setup a tripod on such a roof?  Two
>>> legs could probably be secured to the metal framing, but what to do with
>>> the 3rd leg is what puzzles me.
>>>
>>> I have installed on this type of roof before, but it was with a DSS
>>> mount.  I just sucked the 2 bolts holding the DSS down tight and used
>>> nuts and lock washers on the back side.  I may have left the remaining
>>> holes unsecured.  I seriously doubt I could do the same thing with a
>>> tripod.
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod

[Blake Bowers]

http://www.moonblinkwifi.com/pd_rohn_5.cfm


This is the kind of mount we specify on the rooftops we
manage - for smaller antennas.


> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 9:53 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod
>
>
>>  I am looking to install a tripod on a commercial rooftop.  It's the
>> style with the metal framing (3' or larger spans) and just insulation
>> and the roofing material between.
>>
>> What do you guys do when you have to setup a tripod on such a roof?  Two
>> legs could probably be secured to the metal framing, but what to do with
>> the 3rd leg is what puzzles me.
>>
>> I have installed on this type of roof before, but it was with a DSS
>> mount.  I just sucked the 2 bolts holding the DSS down tight and used
>> nuts and lock washers on the back side.  I may have left the remaining
>> holes unsecured.  I seriously doubt I could do the same thing with a
>> tripod.
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod

[Marlon K. Schafer]

If you can get to the underside put angle iron or square tubing between the 
support beams and put your bolts through them.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 9:53 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod


>  I am looking to install a tripod on a commercial rooftop.  It's the
> style with the metal framing (3' or larger spans) and just insulation
> and the roofing material between.
>
> What do you guys do when you have to setup a tripod on such a roof?  Two
> legs could probably be secured to the metal framing, but what to do with
> the 3rd leg is what puzzles me.
>
> I have installed on this type of roof before, but it was with a DSS
> mount.  I just sucked the 2 bolts holding the DSS down tight and used
> nuts and lock washers on the back side.  I may have left the remaining
> holes unsecured.  I seriously doubt I could do the same thing with a 
> tripod.
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod

[Marco Coelho]

You can always add some light structure to the underside of the roof
to give you the third attach point.  A 2x4 between two steel members
works just fine.

mc

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>  I am looking to install a tripod on a commercial rooftop.  It's the
> style with the metal framing (3' or larger spans) and just insulation
> and the roofing material between.
>
> What do you guys do when you have to setup a tripod on such a roof?  Two
> legs could probably be secured to the metal framing, but what to do with
> the 3rd leg is what puzzles me.
>
> I have installed on this type of roof before, but it was with a DSS
> mount.  I just sucked the 2 bolts holding the DSS down tight and used
> nuts and lock washers on the back side.  I may have left the remaining
> holes unsecured.  I seriously doubt I could do the same thing with a tripod.
>
>
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[WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod

[Mike Hammett]

  I am looking to install a tripod on a commercial rooftop.  It's the 
style with the metal framing (3' or larger spans) and just insulation 
and the roofing material between.

What do you guys do when you have to setup a tripod on such a roof?  Two 
legs could probably be secured to the metal framing, but what to do with 
the 3rd leg is what puzzles me.

I have installed on this type of roof before, but it was with a DSS 
mount.  I just sucked the 2 bolts holding the DSS down tight and used 
nuts and lock washers on the back side.  I may have left the remaining 
holes unsecured.  I seriously doubt I could do the same thing with a tripod.


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Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M

[Steve Barnes]

Justin the power supply is outputting 15.3 Vdc as far as the other MT on the 
tower see.

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Justin Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:30 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M

   In our case we had a switch we put "inline" and that made no difference.  I 
figured it might have been an issue with the 493G board.  We used to see issues 
with Tranzeo and 450Gs so I figured it might be similar.  Putting the switch in 
did not help.  Cable run is only about 20 feet.  It is being powered by a 12 
Volt power supply instead of 24.  Other devices on the tower are able to get 
good speeds to the Mikortik.

Some theories at the moment:

1.When the radio transmits it draws enough power away from the ethernet 
chipset to cause issues.
2.The unit really does need 24volt (or higher than 12 at least)
3.The Unit itself has an issue with the ethernet port.
4.Mikrotik board has an issue.

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From: Chuck Hogg 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:11:48 -0400
To: , WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M

I'm running AirOS V5.2.1-RC2 (which is the latest as of yesterday)

It happened with the factory firmware and the RC1 as well.

The issue also occurs with my laptop running btest or any type of ping flood.

I have 6 cat5 runs up one of the towers, Motorola works fine and I have 
switched cables, different manufacturer as well.  Same issue.

When I use the air test from the UBNT device it works fine.  When I plug a 
laptop in on each side, I get the same results.

No bandwidth shaping.  Have tried multiple different devices on each side, the 
only thing that works is an expensive Managed Dell Switch.

Regards,

Chuck


On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
Is it  possible to change and test to see if it the Radios's or the
MK493ah that is root cause of this issue.

Also, do you get the same results when you run the test from one side or
the other ?
Could you have some Bandwidth Shaping in place ?

do you have another Mikrotik eg. 750g that you could plug int one side
to see if that makes a difference ?
(I have Rocket M5's working on MK750 & MK750g.. no issues...

Another suggestion to try is .. change the firmware to the 3x train on
the MK493ah board and see if you get the same results..

Got to narrow down further...

Do both sides of the link (I am assuming both sides have a MK router ),
showing similar behavior between the Rocket & Mk Router ?

Just for kicks, you can update the firmware to 5.2.1 beta 3... (get it
from the UBNT Forum) and see if the results change.. if they don' then
... pretty sure it is not a radio side issue


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom


On 9/7/2010 10:50 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
> Set all to Auto Neg and no change
> Here is SSH report
> XM.v5.2# /bin/ifconfig
> ath0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:15:6D:60:92:85
>UP BROADCAST RUNNING PROMISC ALLMULTI MULTICAST  MTU:1500
> Metric:1
>RX packets:965042 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>TX packets:713224 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>collisions:0 txqueuelen:200
>RX bytes:1138023050 (1.0 GiB)  TX bytes:100227281 (95.5 MiB)
>
> br0   Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:15:6D:60:92:85
>inet addr:10.10.2.179  Bcast:10.10.2.183  Mask:255.255.255.248
>UP BROADCAST RUNNING ALLMULTI MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>RX packets:7089 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>TX packets:7162 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
>RX bytes:1499867 (1.4 MiB)  TX bytes:3939545 (3.7 MiB)
>
> br0:0 Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:15:6D:60:92:85
>inet addr:169.254.146.133  Bcast:169.254.255.255
> Mask:255.255.0.0
>UP BROADCAST RUNNING ALLMULTI MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>
> eth0_real Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:15:6D:61:92:85
>UP BROADCAST RUNNING PROMISC MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>RX packets:708537 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>TX packets:959167 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>collisions:0 txqueuelen:500
>RX bytes:96555669 (92.0 MiB)  TX bytes:1136564610 (1.0 GiB)
>
> Steve Barnes
> Manager
> PCS-WIN
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> > On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 7:31 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] PowerBrid

Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M

[Justin Wilson]

In our case we had a switch we put ³inline² and that made no difference.
I figured it might have been an issue with the 493G board.  We used to see
issues with Tranzeo and 450Gs so I figured it might be similar.  Putting the
switch in did not help.  Cable run is only about 20 feet.  It is being
powered by a 12 Volt power supply instead of 24.  Other devices on the tower
are able to get good speeds to the Mikortik.

Some theories at the moment:

1.When the radio transmits it draws enough power away from the ethernet
chipset to cause issues.
2.The unit really does need 24volt (or higher than 12 at least)
3.The Unit itself has an issue with the ethernet port.
4.Mikrotik board has an issue.

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From: Chuck Hogg 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 10:11:48 -0400
To: , WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M

I'm running AirOS V5.2.1-RC2 (which is the latest as of yesterday)

It happened with the factory firmware and the RC1 as well.

The issue also occurs with my laptop running btest or any type of ping
flood.

I have 6 cat5 runs up one of the towers, Motorola works fine and I have
switched cables, different manufacturer as well.  Same issue.

When I use the air test from the UBNT device it works fine.  When I plug a
laptop in on each side, I get the same results.

No bandwidth shaping.  Have tried multiple different devices on each side,
the only thing that works is an expensive Managed Dell Switch.

Regards,

Chuck


On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
> Is it  possible to change and test to see if it the Radios's or the
> MK493ah that is root cause of this issue.
> 
> Also, do you get the same results when you run the test from one side or
> the other ?
> Could you have some Bandwidth Shaping in place ?
> 
> do you have another Mikrotik eg. 750g that you could plug int one side
> to see if that makes a difference ?
> (I have Rocket M5's working on MK750 & MK750g.. no issues...
> 
> Another suggestion to try is .. change the firmware to the 3x train on
> the MK493ah board and see if you get the same results..
> 
> Got to narrow down further...
> 
> Do both sides of the link (I am assuming both sides have a MK router ),
> showing similar behavior between the Rocket & Mk Router ?
> 
> Just for kicks, you can update the firmware to 5.2.1 beta 3... (get it
> from the UBNT Forum) and see if the results change.. if they don' then
> ... pretty sure it is not a radio side issue
> 
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 
> 
> On 9/7/2010 10:50 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
>> > Set all to Auto Neg and no change
>> > Here is SSH report
>> > XM.v5.2# /bin/ifconfig
>> > ath0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:15:6D:60:92:85
>> >            UP BROADCAST RUNNING PROMISC ALLMULTI MULTICAST  MTU:1500
>> > Metric:1
>> >            RX packets:965042 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>> >            TX packets:713224 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>> >            collisions:0 txqueuelen:200
>> >            RX bytes:1138023050 (1.0 GiB)  TX bytes:100227281 (95.5 MiB)
>> >
>> > br0       Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:15:6D:60:92:85
>> >            inet addr:10.10.2.179  Bcast:10.10.2.183  Mask:255.255.255.248
>> >            UP BROADCAST RUNNING ALLMULTI MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>> >            RX packets:7089 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>> >            TX packets:7162 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>> >            collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
>> >            RX bytes:1499867 (1.4 MiB)  TX bytes:3939545 (3.7 MiB)
>> >
>> > br0:0     Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:15:6D:60:92:85
>> >            inet addr:169.254.146.133  Bcast:169.254.255.255
>> > Mask:255.255.0.0
>> >            UP BROADCAST RUNNING ALLMULTI MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>> >
>> > eth0_real Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:15:6D:61:92:85
>> >            UP BROADCAST RUNNING PROMISC MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>> >            RX packets:708537 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>> >            TX packets:959167 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>> >            collisions:0 txqueuelen:500
>> >            RX bytes:96555669 (92.0 MiB)  TX bytes:1136564610 (1.0 GiB)
>> >
>> > Steve Barnes
>> > Manager
>> > PCS-WIN
>> > RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>> >
>>> > > -Original Message-
>>> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> > > On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
>>> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 7:31 PM
>>> > > To: WISPA General List
>>> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M
>>> > >
>>> > > What is the Firmware you are running on the PowerBridges ?
>>> > > and what are the signal levels... on Chain 0 / Chain 1
>>> > >
>>> > > ..Also Make sure the MTU / L2MTU on the Mikrotik are 1500/1524
>>> > >
>>> > > Try to auto negotiatio

Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M

[Chuck Hogg]

I'm running AirOS V5.2.1-RC2 (which is the latest as of yesterday)

It happened with the factory firmware and the RC1 as well.

The issue also occurs with my laptop running btest or any type of ping
flood.

I have 6 cat5 runs up one of the towers, Motorola works fine and I have
switched cables, different manufacturer as well.  Same issue.

When I use the air test from the UBNT device it works fine.  When I plug a
laptop in on each side, I get the same results.

No bandwidth shaping.  Have tried multiple different devices on each side,
the only thing that works is an expensive Managed Dell Switch.

Regards,

Chuck


On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

> Is it  possible to change and test to see if it the Radios's or the
> MK493ah that is root cause of this issue.
>
> Also, do you get the same results when you run the test from one side or
> the other ?
> Could you have some Bandwidth Shaping in place ?
>
> do you have another Mikrotik eg. 750g that you could plug int one side
> to see if that makes a difference ?
> (I have Rocket M5's working on MK750 & MK750g.. no issues...
>
> Another suggestion to try is .. change the firmware to the 3x train on
> the MK493ah board and see if you get the same results..
>
> Got to narrow down further...
>
> Do both sides of the link (I am assuming both sides have a MK router ),
> showing similar behavior between the Rocket & Mk Router ?
>
> Just for kicks, you can update the firmware to 5.2.1 beta 3... (get it
> from the UBNT Forum) and see if the results change.. if they don' then
> ... pretty sure it is not a radio side issue
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>
>
> On 9/7/2010 10:50 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
> > Set all to Auto Neg and no change
> > Here is SSH report
> > XM.v5.2# /bin/ifconfig
> > ath0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:15:6D:60:92:85
> >UP BROADCAST RUNNING PROMISC ALLMULTI MULTICAST  MTU:1500
> > Metric:1
> >RX packets:965042 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
> >TX packets:713224 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
> >collisions:0 txqueuelen:200
> >RX bytes:1138023050 (1.0 GiB)  TX bytes:100227281 (95.5 MiB)
> >
> > br0   Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:15:6D:60:92:85
> >inet addr:10.10.2.179  Bcast:10.10.2.183  Mask:255.255.255.248
> >UP BROADCAST RUNNING ALLMULTI MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
> >RX packets:7089 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
> >TX packets:7162 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
> >collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
> >RX bytes:1499867 (1.4 MiB)  TX bytes:3939545 (3.7 MiB)
> >
> > br0:0 Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:15:6D:60:92:85
> >inet addr:169.254.146.133  Bcast:169.254.255.255
> > Mask:255.255.0.0
> >UP BROADCAST RUNNING ALLMULTI MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
> >
> > eth0_real Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:15:6D:61:92:85
> >UP BROADCAST RUNNING PROMISC MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
> >RX packets:708537 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
> >TX packets:959167 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
> >collisions:0 txqueuelen:500
> >RX bytes:96555669 (92.0 MiB)  TX bytes:1136564610 (1.0 GiB)
> >
> > Steve Barnes
> > Manager
> > PCS-WIN
> > RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> > > On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 7:31 PM
> > > To: WISPA General List
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M
> > >
> > > What is the Firmware you are running on the PowerBridges ?
> > > and what are the signal levels... on Chain 0 / Chain 1
> > >
> > > ..Also Make sure the MTU / L2MTU on the Mikrotik are 1500/1524
> > >
> > > Try to auto negotiation on the ports on both the Mikrotik&  PBM5
> > >
> > > also, ssh into the PBM5&  use /bin/ifconfig command to see if there
> > are any
> > > errors on the Ethernet Port and duplex mismatch ?
> > >
> > >
> > > Faisal Imtiaz
> > > Snappy Internet&  Telecom
> > > 7266 SW 48 Street
> > > Miami, Fl 33155
> > > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> > > Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
> > >
> > > On 9/7/2010 6:44 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
> > >> I changed out a StarOS backhaul with a pair of PowerBridge 5M radios,
> 4
> > >> mile link.  I Have an odd issue. The link is perfect 130MB 99% Airmax.
> > >> UBNT Speed test from radio to radio is 84Mb.  Now the interesting
> > issue,
> > >> both radios are plugged in to MT 493AH 4.11 OS.  Running MT Bandwidth
> > >> test from MT to MT  TCP speeds are horrible.  14 Mb Dn and 6 Mb
> Upload.
> > >> We tried all kinds of tests finally realized (after the climber was on
> > >> the ground and in my office) that if I do a speed test from the
> > >> PowerBridge station to a Rocket plugged into the same Mikrotik that I
> > >> get 14 Mb x 6 Mb through a 1

[WISPA] 5.4GHz and Terminal Doppler Weather Radar(TDWR)

[Rick Harnish]

Julian,

 

Thank you for posting this.  Often things like this are better received
coming from a manufacturer than from a lobbying association.  I would also
like to thank Motorola for their technical expertise as we discussed and
responded to the TDWR database RFP with Spectrum Bridge.  

 

Guys and gals, 

 

This is our opportunity to show the FAA and FCC that we are willing to work
together collaboratively to solve the TDWR interference issues and regain
the right to manufacture and develop new equipment in the 5.4-5.7 band.
Check the TDWR webpage on the WISPA site for more details.  I recently
started a reference page of FCC ID's which are required to enter your data.
Please help me out in making this page more user friendly by contributing
any FCC ID's, Manufacturer and Model to me.  

 

Also, later today, I expect the WISPA FCC committee is expected to publish
our latest FCC TV Whitespaces filing.  The committee, Jack Unger and Steve
Coran have worked tirelessly on this fine document.  I read it last night
and it is a great piece of work as we fight for the WISP industry to gain
access to the TV Whitespaces spectrum and oppose certain filings that want
the spectrum used for other purposes.  It will be important for other WISPs
to file personal comments and we will appreciate those of you that back the
WISPA filing.  We will be posting a template comment response that everyone
can use or adapt.  I think it is best to personalize the comments with real
world examples of how each of you can use this spectrum in your own terrain
and geography.  

 

Once we publish the WISPA filing, read it and then go to
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=yha0w to submit your
comments.  This will most likely be the last chance to affect the outcome of
the FCC decision on this valuable spectrum.

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

Executive Director

WISPA

260-307-4000 cell

866-317-2851 WISPA Office

Skype: rick.harnish.

rharn...@wispa.org

 

 

 

From: motorola-users-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:motorola-users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kemp Julian-JULKEMP1
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 7:00 AM
To: motorola-us...@wispa.org
Subject: [Motorola-Users] FW: 5.4GHz and Terminal Doppler Weather Radar
(TDWR)

 

 

Hi Guys

 

I've seen some posts about  eliminating interference to Terminal Doppler
Weather Radar.

 

Just to re-emphasise the issue I attach a note from the FCC to manufactures
and operators of 5GHz Outdoor Network Equipment.

 

Motorola PTP are working with the FCC to ensure that our equipment continues
to detect Radar and avoid causing interference.

 

We also support the requests to avoid operation in the TDWR band and
operating at least 30 MHz away from the TDWR operation frequencies when
installing devices within 35 km or the line-of-sight of the TDWR sites.

 

WISPA and Spectrumbridge have launched  a database where you can voluntarily
register your equipment if you are near to one of these radars

 

http://spectrumbridge.com/udia/home.aspx

 

I've also attached a LINKPlanner file and Google Earth kml file with the
locations of the TDWR sites so that you can check if any sites are near your
location

 

Thanks for your co-operation

 

Regards

Julian

 

Motorola Limited

Registered Office: Jays Close, Viables Industrial Estate, Basingstoke,
Hampshire RG22 4PD

Reg. No: 912182 - England

VAT No: GB260311213

Private Limited Company

Details of Motorola's subsidiaries in the EU/EEA can be found at:
www.motorola.com/legal/euregistrationinfo 

 




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