Re: [WISPA] Ashes?
You're refering to Fly Ash. Be careful inhaling that stuff, it can cause some serious problems. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly_ash -Chad On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Jason supp...@azii.net wrote: Anyone have experience with 2.4 gear getting coated with ashes? Really fine coal ashes from a power plant? Does it harm signal RSSI, etc? Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Purcell Cabinets
Funny, I just got an e-mail from... Lisa M Lambert Altius Communications [EMAIL PROTECTED] Her company sells Purcell Cabinets. -Chad On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 9:45 PM, 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Marlon Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:44 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: Mike Warren Subject: Re: [WISPA] Purcell Cabinets Go factory direct. Apryl at my office can get a name and phone number for you if you want help. I've also cc'd Mike at Purcell. Marlon - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Motorola Canopy User Group' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:40 PM Subject: [WISPA] Purcell Cabinets Hutton stopped carrying these and went to DDB Unlimited Cabinets. I have a need to purchase a few Purcell's (specifically four RAC18's and one RAC26). Anyone know who still carries them at a reasonable price? Checked Tessco and Graybar also. Daniel White 3-dB Networks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues
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Re: [WISPA] star os config help- clarifying my message
I really don't get how V3 is difficult to figure out. Before I was doing this, I was dragging phone/data cables for the AF. Before that I ran a Husqvarna for a logging company. Before that, I worked on a small ranch. I'm a pretty common sence kind of guy and don't like things that don't work right or are setup wrong. I'm about the farthest thing from the typical Admin guy there is, but somehow through my country way of thinking I figured out V3. Then I figured out how to subnet and route. I got tossed into this wireless stuff with absolutely no idea of what I was doing, but I figured that out too. The interface is actually really nice. I have a customer right now that has a bad radio card. Their latency is about 300ms and about 40% packet loss. I can still log into their radio and fly through the settings just like nothing is wrong. Try that with a web based gui. The reason we got away from Tranzeo is because, they don't work well. In the face of interference, of any little bit, they folded like a lawn chair. Granted this was back in the TR-CPE days, not sure about the new stuff, and don't really care. But we were swapping them out left and right with any WAR board we could find and lovin' every minute of it. I remember my techs telling me how much better this new equipment was compared to the Tranzeos, and these guys were green horns not veterans. They didn't have a set way of thinking which made the transition really easy for them. You don't have to be a geek to figure out V3, just a little free time and internet access. On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] star os config help- clarifying my message You'll forget that you weren't familiar with it after you get used to them. It's just like getting a cisco router for your first time and then trying to figure out where to start. Grin. That's part of why I do NOT use Cisco anymore! Sort of like walking in a dark room blindfolded for the first time, where am I? Um, if it were *me*, I'd TURN ON THE LIGHT marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Employee Incentives
Sounds like the best idea I've heard. I'd be bustin' my ass to get those next 100 installs done!! Not to mention the wife incentive factor. lol Work harder, get paid more! Simple, yet solid thinking! -Chad On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 8:22 AM, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I told my new installer that I hired 4+ years ago that for each 100 new subs we turned on, I'd give him a $1.00 per hour raise. Cameron Kilton wrote: Does anybody out there practice this method of encouragement? If so, what are some of the ways you reward your staff? Examples: Installs per week, how many accounts you sold in a month, attendance, etc.. Thanks, Cameron Midcoast Internet WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] outdoor CAT5
I spoke with Shireen (Soe Zarni) about the issue we have been having with the poor quality of their reel boxes. Soe told me that they had a shipment that had been unloaded during a heavy rain and that many of their boxes of cable got wet. Soe felt that this is was the cause of my recent problems with their cable boxes falling apart and wanted an opportunity to send me a good box of cable for me to test out. We found no problems with the last box of cable we ordered from them and am very pleased that this issue appears to simply be due to water damage. We do hope that they recognize this as a potential problem in the future and make changes accordingly, but with their excellent service we have no reason to believe otherwise and will continue purchasing Cat5 cable from them. It's also worth noting that Soe offered us credits/discounts for the trouble. We appreciate Shireen's ongoing excellence in customer service and look forward to doing business with them in the future. It was very clear to me that Shireen was/is serious about their customer's satisfaction. Thank You, Soe!! Chad Halsted Wireless Operations Manager The Computer Works Conway, AR 72032 On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Chad Halsted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll check into Belden, thanks. Yeah, I think I'm done with Shireen until they figure out a better design. I'd rather have a simple spool than fight with that crap for one more minute. On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Cameron Kilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Belden makes good cable too. About $225 for 1000 feet. Yes the Shireen spool boxes are horrible! We are not going to order anymore until they fix this. Cameron Midcoast Internet -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Halsted Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 5:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] outdoor CAT5 For those using Shireen cable, do you guys not have problems with the poor quality of their reel/box container? We have had almost every box come apart on us before we get 200' of cable pulled off the reel. The wire is too loosely wrapped which causes the wire to sink down into the lower wraps. It's just been a mess. We pay $175.00 for the Shireen cable and up until lately we had been pleased with it, but now the boxes are so poorly designed we just spend way to much time in the field fighting with it. For those not using Shireen, where do you get a shielded outdoor cable? We haven't had very good success using a non-shielded cable due to all the lightning (inductance) surges. So, we have to use shielded, but not much luck finding a Vendor other than Shireen that carries it for a fair price. On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try -www.cablesforless.com-Good Prices and Q WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] outdoor CAT5
For those using Shireen cable, do you guys not have problems with the poor quality of their reel/box container? We have had almost every box come apart on us before we get 200' of cable pulled off the reel. The wire is too loosely wrapped which causes the wire to sink down into the lower wraps. It's just been a mess. We pay $175.00 for the Shireen cable and up until lately we had been pleased with it, but now the boxes are so poorly designed we just spend way to much time in the field fighting with it. For those not using Shireen, where do you get a shielded outdoor cable? We haven't had very good success using a non-shielded cable due to all the lightning (inductance) surges. So, we have to use shielded, but not much luck finding a Vendor other than Shireen that carries it for a fair price. On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try -www.cablesforless.com-Good Prices and Q WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] outdoor CAT5
I'll check into Belden, thanks. Yeah, I think I'm done with Shireen until they figure out a better design. I'd rather have a simple spool than fight with that crap for one more minute. On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Cameron Kilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Belden makes good cable too. About $225 for 1000 feet. Yes the Shireen spool boxes are horrible! We are not going to order anymore until they fix this. Cameron Midcoast Internet -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Halsted Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 5:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] outdoor CAT5 For those using Shireen cable, do you guys not have problems with the poor quality of their reel/box container? We have had almost every box come apart on us before we get 200' of cable pulled off the reel. The wire is too loosely wrapped which causes the wire to sink down into the lower wraps. It's just been a mess. We pay $175.00 for the Shireen cable and up until lately we had been pleased with it, but now the boxes are so poorly designed we just spend way to much time in the field fighting with it. For those not using Shireen, where do you get a shielded outdoor cable? We haven't had very good success using a non-shielded cable due to all the lightning (inductance) surges. So, we have to use shielded, but not much luck finding a Vendor other than Shireen that carries it for a fair price. On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try -www.cablesforless.com-Good Prices and Q WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RE: [WISP] Post card marketing
I agree, door hangers have been nothing but a complete waste of time for us. However, yard signs (realty sign size) has worked very well. They are a constant reminder, door hangers get thrown in the trash. On 4/28/07, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have done both (door hangers and postcards). The postcards are much more effective than door hangers, and much cheaper overall. You have to offer a special discount on the postcard... like $50 off installation when you mention this card. Travis Microserv Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Hey, Rick, that's cool. I plan on doing something similar, but with doorhangers this summer. College kids will be contracted to go drive around and hang these on the doors of every farm, home, whatever, that appears to be in range of an AP. We expect to get real busy :) - Original Message - From: Smith, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 7:37 PM Subject: [WISPA] RE: [WISP] Post card marketing We've printed ours on a color laser. No problems mailing them. We got some returned due to no suitable mail receptacle, and the printing all looked fine... I attached the most recent we sent out. No calls on it yet, but we mailed it Thursday. R From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 9:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISP] Post card marketing The printer told me that they would advise me to use labels instead of direct printing because the ink would run. I mentioned using a laser printer. Wouldn't the toner be fused to the card and thus not run? If they're referring to the card itself running because of the heat of the laser printer, wouldn't an inkjet solve that? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:07 PM Subject: [WISP] Post card marketing Does anyone have examples of post card marketing they have done? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Our First WISP Consultant Vendor Member - Butch Evans
I would disagree with that. Further, I would say that most of the folks using an MT/StarOS system would tell you that price had little or nothing to do with their decision. There are plenty of solutions available that are just as cheap as building your own, perhaps cheaper - all things considered. On 4/1/07, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And then the issue becomes how much that vendor is going to mark-up the product, in addition to the FCC cert costs for all their time, efforts, etc. Isn't the reason most people are using MT is because of the cost? How many people would buy a RB532 if it was $500? or $1,000? What is everyone's limit? ;) Travis Microserv Butch Evans wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2007, Doug Ratcliffe wrote: As far as Mikrotik goes, if any one/more/all MT vendor(s) in this country paid an FCC lab to certify the boards/radios (can't the radios/antennas can be modular certified by Ubiquiti/Senao?), could that work as a blanket certification that MT could attach to their boards/radios, or does each individual unit/vendor need an FCC certification? Each particular vendor will need a cert for the complete system they build. FWIW, I have been pushing MANY vendors to build and certify some Mikrotik radios. You can help yourself here by going to YOUR vendor and asking them to do the same. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] SmartPhone Happiness...
I have no idea, but there's a frial trial period. I'm still waiting on my E70, but I plan on trying it out as soon as it gets here. I was just curious if anyone else had played with it yet. On 1/25/07, paul hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope. Does it add a tab key as this seems to be the only thing missing from the free Putty. -Original Message- From: Chad Halsted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 January 2007 01:41 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] SmartPhone Happiness... have you tried mobile ssh? On 1/24/07, paul hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm running putty on my E70. Is great to be on a roof with mobile in one hand whilst you pan your StarOS or Mikrotik cpe ;) Only down side seems to be the lack of a tab key. -Original Message- From: Chad Halsted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 January 2007 19:32 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] SmartPhone Happiness... Matt, Have you had a chance to play with SSH utilities. I'm looking for the same phone and have heard others using it to SSH into their Star-OS boxes with good success. Mobile SSH has a free trial and should work with the E70. On 1/22/07, Matt Larsen - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was finally time to replace my Nokia 6800 with 600 hours and a broken screen from being dropped too many times, so I decided to get a Nokia E70 phone. It has been a little bit of a challenge, but it is pretty close to cell phone nirvana. It has been able to do I have wanted to accomplish with a PDA or cell phone combined. The first main issue was getting the phone contacts/calendar/notes synchronized with my PC. My previous phone was extremely flaky when used with the Nokia PC Suite software, and only connected about one in every 10 times. I had to install, reinstall, run a registry cleaner and then reinstall the software but I was finally able to get a reliable connection between my PC and phone. Once accomplished, I was able to get all of my items synced up in a repeatable, reliable fashion. With all their available resources, I am amazed that Nokia was not able to this process worked out better. The second item was seeing how Internet access worked on the phone. GPRS seems to work fine, but I was more interested in the wifi connectivity feature of the phone. The E70 will browse for an available access point and the process for connecting is pretty straightforward. I have to pass on huge props for the Internet browser on the E70. I would prefer using the smaller screen E70 browser than the browser on all of the PocketPCs that I have used. It is that good. It was reliable, viewable, easy to navigate and there have been no weird format surprises. All told - the Internet access components work very well. I have not gotten the instant messaging to work yet, but it looks like other have, so I will still have that to work on. The last and most interesting piece was the struggle to get VOIP working on a cell phone. My cell coverage at my house and many other places in my service area is very spotty, so I have been looking forward to having a phone that could roam to wifi and keep my roaming minutes down to a minimum. I was able to find a couple of links to guides on how to set the phone up with an asterisk voip server and was finally able to get it to connect to my office voip phone system. After all the hassles and reported problems on user forums, I was very pleasantly surprised by the performance of the voip part of the E70. It is actually clearer than regular cell calls, with just a little bit of breakup when the wifi signal gets low. Best of all, my outgoing calls all go through my office system when I am in range of a wifi access point, meaning less minutes on my cell phone plan. I should also be able to use the voip when I go to remote tower sites that used to not work at all on the regular cell network or incurred roaming charges. All in all, I am very impressed with the E70. I am going to officially retire my iPaqs to other tasks and use this as my primary PIM/phone/voip phone. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com PS - I purchased my E70 from Tiger Direct for about $435, but they are also available at voip-supply.com for $385. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer
Re: [WISPA] SmartPhone Happiness...
have you tried mobile ssh? On 1/24/07, paul hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm running putty on my E70. Is great to be on a roof with mobile in one hand whilst you pan your StarOS or Mikrotik cpe ;) Only down side seems to be the lack of a tab key. -Original Message- From: Chad Halsted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 January 2007 19:32 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] SmartPhone Happiness... Matt, Have you had a chance to play with SSH utilities. I'm looking for the same phone and have heard others using it to SSH into their Star-OS boxes with good success. Mobile SSH has a free trial and should work with the E70. On 1/22/07, Matt Larsen - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was finally time to replace my Nokia 6800 with 600 hours and a broken screen from being dropped too many times, so I decided to get a Nokia E70 phone. It has been a little bit of a challenge, but it is pretty close to cell phone nirvana. It has been able to do I have wanted to accomplish with a PDA or cell phone combined. The first main issue was getting the phone contacts/calendar/notes synchronized with my PC. My previous phone was extremely flaky when used with the Nokia PC Suite software, and only connected about one in every 10 times. I had to install, reinstall, run a registry cleaner and then reinstall the software but I was finally able to get a reliable connection between my PC and phone. Once accomplished, I was able to get all of my items synced up in a repeatable, reliable fashion. With all their available resources, I am amazed that Nokia was not able to this process worked out better. The second item was seeing how Internet access worked on the phone. GPRS seems to work fine, but I was more interested in the wifi connectivity feature of the phone. The E70 will browse for an available access point and the process for connecting is pretty straightforward. I have to pass on huge props for the Internet browser on the E70. I would prefer using the smaller screen E70 browser than the browser on all of the PocketPCs that I have used. It is that good. It was reliable, viewable, easy to navigate and there have been no weird format surprises. All told - the Internet access components work very well. I have not gotten the instant messaging to work yet, but it looks like other have, so I will still have that to work on. The last and most interesting piece was the struggle to get VOIP working on a cell phone. My cell coverage at my house and many other places in my service area is very spotty, so I have been looking forward to having a phone that could roam to wifi and keep my roaming minutes down to a minimum. I was able to find a couple of links to guides on how to set the phone up with an asterisk voip server and was finally able to get it to connect to my office voip phone system. After all the hassles and reported problems on user forums, I was very pleasantly surprised by the performance of the voip part of the E70. It is actually clearer than regular cell calls, with just a little bit of breakup when the wifi signal gets low. Best of all, my outgoing calls all go through my office system when I am in range of a wifi access point, meaning less minutes on my cell phone plan. I should also be able to use the voip when I go to remote tower sites that used to not work at all on the regular cell network or incurred roaming charges. All in all, I am very impressed with the E70. I am going to officially retire my iPaqs to other tasks and use this as my primary PIM/phone/voip phone. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com PS - I purchased my E70 from Tiger Direct for about $435, but they are also available at voip-supply.com for $385. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] SmartPhone Happiness...
Matt, Have you had a chance to play with SSH utilities. I'm looking for the same phone and have heard others using it to SSH into their Star-OS boxes with good success. Mobile SSH has a free trial and should work with the E70. On 1/22/07, Matt Larsen - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was finally time to replace my Nokia 6800 with 600 hours and a broken screen from being dropped too many times, so I decided to get a Nokia E70 phone. It has been a little bit of a challenge, but it is pretty close to cell phone nirvana. It has been able to do I have wanted to accomplish with a PDA or cell phone combined. The first main issue was getting the phone contacts/calendar/notes synchronized with my PC. My previous phone was extremely flaky when used with the Nokia PC Suite software, and only connected about one in every 10 times. I had to install, reinstall, run a registry cleaner and then reinstall the software but I was finally able to get a reliable connection between my PC and phone. Once accomplished, I was able to get all of my items synced up in a repeatable, reliable fashion. With all their available resources, I am amazed that Nokia was not able to this process worked out better. The second item was seeing how Internet access worked on the phone. GPRS seems to work fine, but I was more interested in the wifi connectivity feature of the phone. The E70 will browse for an available access point and the process for connecting is pretty straightforward. I have to pass on huge props for the Internet browser on the E70. I would prefer using the smaller screen E70 browser than the browser on all of the PocketPCs that I have used. It is that good. It was reliable, viewable, easy to navigate and there have been no weird format surprises. All told - the Internet access components work very well. I have not gotten the instant messaging to work yet, but it looks like other have, so I will still have that to work on. The last and most interesting piece was the struggle to get VOIP working on a cell phone. My cell coverage at my house and many other places in my service area is very spotty, so I have been looking forward to having a phone that could roam to wifi and keep my roaming minutes down to a minimum. I was able to find a couple of links to guides on how to set the phone up with an asterisk voip server and was finally able to get it to connect to my office voip phone system. After all the hassles and reported problems on user forums, I was very pleasantly surprised by the performance of the voip part of the E70. It is actually clearer than regular cell calls, with just a little bit of breakup when the wifi signal gets low. Best of all, my outgoing calls all go through my office system when I am in range of a wifi access point, meaning less minutes on my cell phone plan. I should also be able to use the voip when I go to remote tower sites that used to not work at all on the regular cell network or incurred roaming charges. All in all, I am very impressed with the E70. I am going to officially retire my iPaqs to other tasks and use this as my primary PIM/phone/voip phone. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com PS - I purchased my E70 from Tiger Direct for about $435, but they are also available at voip-supply.com for $385. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5
I couldn't post the one I was taught. Your version is much more PC. On 12/19/06, Mike Bushard, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember that from school Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marty Dougherty Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 5:23 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Easy way to remember the color code is (this is really old days) Bell- Blue Operators-Orange Give-Green Bad- Brown Service- Slate While- White Running- Red Backwards- Black You- Yellow Vomit- Violet If you can remember that you can break down any cable- even the big ones with thousands of pairs... Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Halsted Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 telecom 25 pair color code tip White Red Black Yellow Violet ring Blue Orange Green Brown Slate so it would look like this... w/bl - bl, w/o - o, w/g - g, w/br - br, w/sl - sl r/bl - bl, r/o - o, r/g - g, r/br - br, r/sl -sl bk/bl - bl, bk/o - o, bk/g -g, bk/br - br, bk/sl - sl y/bl - bl, ..etc..etc v/bl - bl, ..etc..etc It's been a while since I have seen a 25 pair Cat5 cable, don't know if the slate pair is in there or not, I know it is for 25 pair telecom feeders, but those are usually Cat3 rated. If not, then you simply ignore that pair. Anyhow, for larger count cables. Each 25 pair group should be wrapped with blue, orange, green, brown and slate colored binder string. The first 25 pair is blue, the next would be orange, then green, brown and slate accordingly. and then there are super groups... which is getting way off Topic. hehe On 12/18/06, Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I can confirm Scrivs point. I have a 300' cat5 25 Pr and it is punched down on a 12 port RJ45 Block, standard Cat5e terminal. It has worked well, thou I am not using today. No good reason, just wanted to have fewer connectors. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 02:08 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 If you need 100 megabit Cat 5 performance then it is best to terminate on 110 blocks instead of 66 blocks. That is what I was always told in the past. I have no proof other than what others told me. Can anyone else confirm or deny? Scriv Brad Belton wrote: Yep, standard 25pr 66 blocks mounted inside NEMA4 enclosures. Works well. I've attached a snapshot. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:29 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Punch blocks, enclosures? What did you do for that? Brian Yep, works nicely. We've run several hubs with 25pr CAT5 outdoor cable. Gobs and gobs of goo inside...have a few hand rags ready! I believe the cable brand is Mohawk. Good stuff. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor cat5? I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments. You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom and would only have run jumpers for new radios. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.19/587 - Release Date: 12/14/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman
Re: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5
telecom 25 pair color code tip White Red Black Yellow Violet ring Blue Orange Green Brown Slate so it would look like this... w/bl - bl, w/o - o, w/g - g, w/br - br, w/sl - sl r/bl - bl, r/o - o, r/g - g, r/br - br, r/sl -sl bk/bl - bl, bk/o - o, bk/g -g, bk/br - br, bk/sl - sl y/bl - bl, ..etc..etc v/bl - bl, ..etc..etc It's been a while since I have seen a 25 pair Cat5 cable, don't know if the slate pair is in there or not, I know it is for 25 pair telecom feeders, but those are usually Cat3 rated. If not, then you simply ignore that pair. Anyhow, for larger count cables. Each 25 pair group should be wrapped with blue, orange, green, brown and slate colored binder string. The first 25 pair is blue, the next would be orange, then green, brown and slate accordingly. and then there are super groups... which is getting way off Topic. hehe On 12/18/06, Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I can confirm Scrivs point. I have a 300' cat5 25 Pr and it is punched down on a 12 port RJ45 Block, standard Cat5e terminal. It has worked well, thou I am not using today. No good reason, just wanted to have fewer connectors. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 02:08 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 If you need 100 megabit Cat 5 performance then it is best to terminate on 110 blocks instead of 66 blocks. That is what I was always told in the past. I have no proof other than what others told me. Can anyone else confirm or deny? Scriv Brad Belton wrote: Yep, standard 25pr 66 blocks mounted inside NEMA4 enclosures. Works well. I've attached a snapshot. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:29 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Punch blocks, enclosures? What did you do for that? Brian Yep, works nicely. We've run several hubs with 25pr CAT5 outdoor cable. Gobs and gobs of goo inside...have a few hand rags ready! I believe the cable brand is Mohawk. Good stuff. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor cat5? I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments. You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom and would only have run jumpers for new radios. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.19/587 - Release Date: 12/14/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Grrrr... pigtails
do you have enough room to tape them dudes in place? works well for me. On 12/15/06, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I place my pigtails on a cookie sheet, stretched to the position I want them to be in, then bake them at about 175F for 30-45 min. Takes that shape memory right out of them. Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Basically, we can't get them to stay on the SR9, in a WAR board, because there's only 2 positions a pigtail will fit, and both are stressed due to the pigtail's attempting to revert to the pre-installed shape (curled up in a bag...). +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] G... pigtails T urns out our low loss u.fl to n-female pigtails with the thicker coax in the cold will revert shape and pull themselves off the cramped SR9 / WAR board combination. Excellent detail to bring up. Sounds like a fastener/tiedown problem to me. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] G... pigtails Thanksgiving day, my son and I put up a future customer's CPE up in the woods. I mean, up in the mountains, log cabin, beyond phone and power. They have a generator, batteries, solar panels, etc. We did it because snow was predicted and already a little bit had fallen. We got it there, link established and was working on aiming the antenna when the laptop ran out of power. The power plug on the laptop PSU had broken and, well... we were dead. The people got back a few days later, and by then, yes, quite a bit of snow had fallen. When we had the chance to go back and finish ( plug the power in inside, hook up thier equipment) we had no signal. We tried everything we could think of, short of changing parts, because we didn't take any (wasn't our install rig, just a 4x4 so we could get through the deep snow), no signal. Yesterday, after a few days of warm, we drove in ( this time, install rig, my '89 Caravan ) digging through some deep snow going in the canyon between them and the main road. Eventually, we changed every part, including the WAR board and SR9, no signal. Then, I assembled the WAR we took out and all the parts changed out, and standing there, on the ground... I had a solid link. Finally, in pitch black dark, I climbed the ladder, had someone provide some light, and hooked up the SR9 through another pigtail to the anntenna... POOF, signal. Put the original back on... Poof, signal. then, none. Work the pigtail around so it's not tensioned and in line and put it back on... Poof, signal. I go inside, log in...and in a minute or so, watch the signal fade to nothing. T urns out our low loss u.fl to n-female pigtails with the thicker coax in the cold will revert shape and pull themselves off the cramped SR9 / WAR board combination. I found one of the crapola thing things I had rejected for 5 ghz use and put it in place... Yeah, 1 or 2 db loss in the piggy, but it stayed on... Anyone make a low loss pigtail that's flexible even in the cold? I tried two different ones, one pacwireless, one is Roger's, I think. Neither could be convinced to retain a new shape in the cold... +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need opinion
/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need opinion
StarOS with WAR boards. Depending on the speed you need and your budget, you could go with either the WAR2 or WAR4 boards. This platform gives you great flexibility being able to use 900MHz, 2.4 and 5GHz. WAR2 - dual ethernet, dual radio (mpci), 266MHz CPU WAR4 - dual ethernet, quad radio (mpci), 533MHz CPU so your setup would be NOC POPOffice WAR WAR WAR 3 radios instead of 4. www.star-os.com On 12/11/06, Carlos A. Garcia G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank u very much, but the question it is, i do not know many equipments, i have only work with cisco aironet, the last time i do something similar and get the cisco 1300 series the problem it is that in order that this work i have to use 4 radios 1300--[1300 -ethernet-1300]--1300 and what i need it is to know for example: the proxim LMG22 work in 5.8 and can be used as: LMG22--LMG22--LMG22 im currently looking with cisco, proxym, trango, mikrotik but i dont get the answer that im looking for. Mike Brownson escribió: Carlos, It all depends on how big a hill and what speed you need. There is some PtP equipment (Motorola PtP, formerly Orthogon) that can talk over the hill in one link if the hill is not too big or the distance is not too long. Other option is to put another repeater in between. But that means another radio site. If you want to send me latitude and longitude of both sites I can see if the one radio link will work. Mike B Carlos A. Garcia G wrote: Hi i have a problem i need to establish a wireless link betwen my ofice and another ofice there are a hill betwen so what equipment or vendors do i have to contact: look! NOC -- POP -- OFFICE -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ot data conversion
I use this site a lot. http://www.matisse.net/bitcalc/ On 11/3/06, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lol Thanks! What I need is a number to divide the raw data by so that I can make a local copy that looks something like the online version. http://radius.odessaoffice.com/iptrack Also, note that the totals aren't already converted. I've tried to get Brandon to make a few more tweaks to this system for me but I've not been able to hook up with him. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot data conversion Depends on who you ask. The comp sci answer is: 1GB = 1024*1024*1024 bytes == 1073741824 Of course the harddrive manufactures will tell you that 1GB is 10 bytes Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, We get an ip usage accounting file sent to us once per month. The numbers are huge. What is the formula to convert bits to GB? thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Anheuser-Busch Rice Mill Jonesboro Ar.
you could give these guys a call Black Sheep Computing 2312 E Matthews Ave Jonesboro, AR 72401 (870) 910-6969 www.bscn.com On 10/28/06, Marlon Schafer (509-982-2181) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone help a stranded motorist? Hit me offlist for contact info. laters, marlon Hi Marlon, My company is looking for broadband service at this rural address in arkansas.. Anheuser-Busch Jonesboro Rice Mill 3723 CR 905 Hwy 49 North at Farville Jonesboro, AR 72401-0749 Do you know of anything available? The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Tranzeo CPE alternative
Take a look at these http://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-rwo/rwo-plus-hpg-15a.htm I have ordered a couple to evaluate, but still havent had the time to put them up. They are built pretty solid and are a tad bit smaller than the TR-CPE200s. They were advised to me by another Wisper that uses StarOS, he had good success with them. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 2:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo CPE alternative Trying to evaluate all of my options here, and thought I would see what other CPE are out there that are comparable to Tranzeo CPQ units (802.11b, built-in router, etc). Want to stay within that price range, but DON'T want to build a unit myself. Not that I'm not happy with the CPQ's, but I've had a run of bad ones (to the tune of 1 in almost every 10 packI get in here) and just not sure what's going on. I just got word of a price increase on the CPE units also (not the CPQ's though). I'd also like to get something a little smaller in physical size than the Tranzeo's. Not that they are bad, but would be nice if they weren't quite such an eyesore. Again, that's not a huge issue though. Anyway, just thought I'd throw this out. I've considered Canopy, but of course, that's an entire network change. Just not sure if I want to do that, and not sure if it would be asfinancially economical as Tranzeo in the long run. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Legal insight? - OTARD VS Property Managers
Marlon, Just curious, have you ever had to force this issue with property management? I imagine this could be a difficult fight to win for a WISP. What happens at the end of the day when the Property Manager tells the WISP to shove off? Legal action? For what, potential lost subscribers? - Can property managers prevent my subscribers from having an externally mounted antenna? mks: No. OTARD covers wisps too. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Legal insight? - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 2:29 PM Subject: [WISPA] Legal insight? This outta be a fun and interesting thread: mks: You are one mean drunk, Superman! As it relates to this space, rate the following 1-10 (1 being high priority and 10 being I could care a less) in terms of important if you could bend the mind of top legal experts to get an opinion. Add other questions you like answered in your reply. mks: I guess I'm a bit confused. Those are not really 1 thru 10 type questions. Those are questions begging answers. I'll try to do both though. Comment or add to this list: - What good is Form 477 mks: It's the ONLY official head count of broadband customers. 1 and do we really need to file it? mks: Absolutely. Without known customers we have NO value in the food chain. The more customers we have the more power we have. 1 - Does CALEA affect me? mks: Still trying to figure that one out. I've got a note in to the FCC for some clarification on this issue. 3 How? When? How do I solve it without it costing an arm and a leg? mks: Not only that, but it is really any of MY buisiness what my customers do on the net? If someone thinks there's a problem with a customer, come to me with a search warrent and the needed tools for the search (just like you would come to my house) and have fun. No one is going to want everything they've ever done on the internet saved forever. That's the kind of silly crap that the Nazis and Soviets did. Look where it got them. 2 - What's the real risk, if any, of not using certified systems? mks: Realistically? Little or no risk. Although, under the rules changes from 2005 it's pretty hard to be out of certification these days. Power levels, that's a whole nother issue though. Gotta pay attention to them! 5 - What does it mean to have a certified system in the first place? mks: It means that ALL of your radio gear, clear down to the cable level, has made it past the FCC and is certified to work within certain parameters. Note: I did NOT say work as advertized :-). 8 - Don't the revised rules allow me to make the choice about what base station antennas I wish to use? mks: Yes. 3 - How is 3650 coming along and how do it look like it will shape up? mks: Great question. I sure wish I could get something out of the FCC. Sinces it's an issue on the table at this time they won't talk to me. Will they change the rules that they put out for us last year? I hope not. 1 - Does the FCC really read comments I file on anything? mks: Yes. Even the late filings. 3 How important (and difficult) is it for me to officially voice my comments? mks: Within WISPA it's easy. When we find out about issues that mater to the industry we file on the issue. We also point out EXACTLY how our membership can also file on the issue. EVERYTHING that the FCC does, rules wise, comes from the written reccord. If you don't voice your thoughts they CAN'T legally act on them. And it has to be in writing, you can't just call in and tell them what you want them to do. 3 - What the deal with the TV bands? mks: I'm loosing hope on this one. The broadcasters are very powerful. And they seem to be willing to pull out all of the stops on this. Clear down to a 60 Minutes exploding gas tank version of the truth. And because we, as an industry, aren't good at filling out our 477s we're not even give pimple on the but status these days. The current chairman at the FCC has turned out to be far less of a fan of the entrepenure than Powell was and that's not gonna help either. 1+ - Are there realistic options for WISPs to get licensed bands? mks: Not at this time. I know people have done so. But lets look at the real numbers here. Last I heard the latest auction raised 14 billion dollars. Lets say that over the next 5 years that spectrum services, oh, 500,000 subscribers. That's 28,000 per subscriber! At a profit of $10 per broadband subscriber per month that gives us a 2,800 month payback on the investment. Heck, get 1,000,000 subs and it's still not gonna add up to anything but another huge dent in the broadband rollout. Auctions only do two things. They put money
RE: [WISPA] WLM54G
I only have one in production, but it appears to be working just fine. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 8:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] WLM54G Does anybody have any experience good/bad with the WLM54G cards? Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Lightning hits
I'm not 100% sure, but my first inclination would be no. If lightning hits your tower and the equipment/tower is not properly grounded with surge suppression in place, it will get blown, whether it is powered up or not. Current is still going to flow through the radio; it just won't make it out the Ethernet because you unplugged the line. Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 10:32 AM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] Lightning hits I have a Canopy 900 that is getting taken out from static. Until I can get the right solution in place to prevent this, I have a question. If I unplug the power from the radio when a storm is coming will the radio survive? It is still in the air, but there is no power to it. I am trying to save the RF side. Will it work. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Lightning hits
I really don't think it's going to make a difference. If it's pulling in that much energy through the antenna, it's got to go somewhere, and the only place it can go is through your pigtail strait to the radio. If the radio isn't properly grounded to the tower, and the tower properly grounded to well, the ground, something is going to get smoked. I don't THINK it's going to matter much if the power is on or not. But hey, it's worth a shot. It sure won't hurt to try. One of our 50' towers has a big ham yagi antenna on the top of it. The home owner said that his yagi was pulling in so much static he could hear it arcing from across the room. It was arcing from the connector on the end of the cable to a nail that was driven into a 2X4 stud. There wasn't a cloud in the sky at that time either. That's some crazy stuff. Good Luck! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightning hits I am not worried about lightning strikes because I cannot stop that. Mostly the part where stuff catches on fire. The problem seems to lie in the fact that I have an 11ft tall omni that is the second tallest thing on the tower and it sucks in static like a vaccum and takes out the RF side. So would powering off save the RF until I figure out what can be done with the tower (grain leg) Brian Chad Halsted wrote: I'm not 100% sure, but my first inclination would be no. If lightning hits your tower and the equipment/tower is not properly grounded with surge suppression in place, it will get blown, whether it is powered up or not. Current is still going to flow through the radio; it just won't make it out the Ethernet because you unplugged the line. Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 10:32 AM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] Lightning hits I have a Canopy 900 that is getting taken out from static. Until I can get the right solution in place to prevent this, I have a question. If I unplug the power from the radio when a storm is coming will the radio survive? It is still in the air, but there is no power to it. I am trying to save the RF side. Will it work. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Tranzeo WDS capacity, Mikrotik - problems
The idea is to not do the install unless you can maintain a reliable 11mb connection (usually -75 or better) that passes the 0% loss rule. So, having done that, you shouldn't drop customers. Or at least that is what I have been taught, I could be misinformed. :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 12:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo WDS capacity, Mikrotik - problems We almost never hard set any radios to any speed. I'd rather have the system slow down than drop customers. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Chad Halsted [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:36 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Tranzeo WDS capacity, Mikrotik - problems If you haven't run a test with a spectrum analyzer, there really is no way to know for sure what is out there. Harmful noise, as you probably know, can come from all sorts of devices, not just 802.x APs. Yes, -90 is bad for several reasons. 1. That link is probably suffering from high packet loss. This will not only cause problems for the customer's link, but will keep your AP busy resending dropped packets. One customer isn't going to overload an AP, but several could. 2. -90 doesn't leave much room for fade. Bad weather could, and most likely will, knock this link out in a heart beat. 3. The rate at which the client and AP talk at a -90 would be 1MB. Whenever the AP is talking to the client it will have to adjust its rate to match that of the client's. When another client, let's say it's connected at an 11mb rate, wants to talk the AP has to adjust its rate to 11mb, these constant adjustments can cause latency, dropped packets, and overload the CPU on the AP. This is more evident with the more clients you have. Always set your AP rate to auto, hard set all clients to 11MB. Just make sure you don't do the install unless it will support an 11MB rate. Lastly, I would suggest that you test each and every link for packet loss sending large packets, 0% or less and you'll be good to go. I could be way off; your -90 client may be working perfectly. I just thought I would share some info that I had to learn the hard way. Good Luck!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 4:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo WDS capacity, Mikrotik - problems Interference really isn't much of an issue here. There's one other WISP and we work pretty closely together to stay out of each other's way. We've analyzed the area and nothing else is out there but us and the typical home APs. So -90 is that bad huh? Guess I may need to rethink those two installs. - Original Message - From: Chad Halsted [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:46 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Tranzeo WDS capacity, Mikrotik - problems No personal experience on the X10, but from what I here, it will give you nightmares. Seems like I heard Marlon speak such wonderful things about the x10 before, eh Marlon? -90 signal is never a good thing. We won't do an install unless it's -75 or better. Sometimes even a -75 isn't strong enough to combat all the interference we have in town. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 1:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo WDS capacity, Mikrotik - problems I've got a two AP WDS setup with Tranzeo TR-6000's with PacWireless 13db omni's on each. They are less than a mile apart. Any idea how many CPE's can run on each AP before it starts causing issues? We're going to be replacing the WDS setup with an actual backhaul soon, but just haven't gotten it done yet. I'm having trouble with performance. Works fine for awhile and then it seems to bog down, and then back to normal again. I've got about 10 clients (all Tranzeo gear) on each of the AP's. I wouldn't think that this would cause issues but I may be wrong. Signal between the WDS connections is around the -65 mark so that's no problem. I've got a couple of marginal clients (running -90 or so) so I'm wondering if these could possibly be causing it. Everything is horizontal pol. When the service completely drops out I can get to the AP's just fine from the client end, but can't get to the router (RB532). I've switched out cabling, switches, etc with no luck. Have a new 532 on the way so I'm going to switch it out as well
RE: [WISPA] residential to commericial customer ratio? a quick survey
90% residential -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 12:23 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] residential to commericial customer ratio? a quick survey Hi folks, Quick question. I believe most scaled WISPs (+1,000 CPE) have a high residential mix, mostly no lower than 70% residential. At least that tends to be the case with large Alvarion-based operators. I am curious about ratio in the 200-1,000 CPE WISPs category (which I tend to think is a broad category that can run the ganut of rural to urban and cross all types of WISP definitions). As well, how about those of you that are sub-200 CPE, what is your rough mix? Patrick -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] VoIP. Looking for your input
Comments inline... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 11:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] VoIP. Looking for your input So VoIP over wireless is a very important topic to us at Alvarion right now. Increasing we are being told by new customers that much of their equipment choice is or will be based on the ability to offer true double play in scale. Essentially, they say the need to offer bundled services is a must, not an option, in order to remain competitive going forward. I am interested to hear listers inputs on the subject. Some questions I have: 1. Is VoIP part of your plans? Yes, to some degree. All new equipment going into production in our infrastructure has to be able to prioritize traffic. This is simply a network design decision to ensure we are able to offer those types of products when/if we decide to do it. I definitely believe we will see more and more VoIP traffic on our network so it is a good idea no matter what. 2. Do you believe VoIP is a viable offering for a WISP? Yes 3. What type revenue contribution in terms of additional ARPU do you think VoIP can add? I'm not sure, in our market VoIP has not become that Hot of an item. Sure, some folks are getting Vonage and I actually had my fist phone call the other day inquiring if we offered phone service!! The most common action here is that folks are ditching the phone company all together and using their mobile phones as their primary voice service. 4. If you will or are doing VoIP as a service, will/are you leveraging third parties? If so, who do like? I have to admit, it is appealing to take the 3rd party route. Not sure who we would be looking to for that service. 5. Would VoIP be offered to your commercial customers, residential or both? For sure resi, possibly commercial later on. 6. If you are obtaining your own switch, what brands are in your top 3? I'm not sure, we are fairly new to the WISP world and have focused on the access side of things. 7. Does VoIP capability drive any of your wireless equipment decision making? Absolutely, I like being prepared. 8. If you are doing now, could you architect out how you do it and what adjustment it forced in terms of capacity planning on your wireless network? Not there yet. Any other comments or issues on the subject would be welcome. For now, I see VoIP more as a customer retention plan than anything else. Additional revenue is nice, and getting the most out of our links is even better, but I'm not sure that we are prepared to take on the added headache technically, legally, and/or financially. Patrick Leary AVP Marketing Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Tranzeo WDS capacity, Mikrotik - problems
No personal experience on the X10, but from what I here, it will give you nightmares. Seems like I heard Marlon speak such wonderful things about the x10 before, eh Marlon? -90 signal is never a good thing. We won't do an install unless it's -75 or better. Sometimes even a -75 isn't strong enough to combat all the interference we have in town. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 1:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo WDS capacity, Mikrotik - problems I've got a two AP WDS setup with Tranzeo TR-6000's with PacWireless 13db omni's on each. They are less than a mile apart. Any idea how many CPE's can run on each AP before it starts causing issues? We're going to be replacing the WDS setup with an actual backhaul soon, but just haven't gotten it done yet. I'm having trouble with performance. Works fine for awhile and then it seems to bog down, and then back to normal again. I've got about 10 clients (all Tranzeo gear) on each of the AP's. I wouldn't think that this would cause issues but I may be wrong. Signal between the WDS connections is around the -65 mark so that's no problem. I've got a couple of marginal clients (running -90 or so) so I'm wondering if these could possibly be causing it. Everything is horizontal pol. When the service completely drops out I can get to the AP's just fine from the client end, but can't get to the router (RB532). I've switched out cabling, switches, etc with no luck. Have a new 532 on the way so I'm going to switch it out as well and see what happens, but anyone have any other thoughts? Also, anyone have experience with an X10 camera shutting down their network? Thanks! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900 radio
Hehehe, been there. I had two installs that were covered up in leafs this past spring. One of them Trango 900 fixed (barely), the other, well I had to eat some crow. DOH!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 6:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 radio I run every email through my BGLASS model fact checker - that takes care of the facts. :^) I haven't installed any yet. I've been waiting for Tranzeo to do 900 this long, and it isn't much longer now. Unfortunately, we have had to un-install five or six customers in the last month because our overzealous installers did some installs that worked in the winter and quit working as soon as the trees got completely leafed in. I'm hoping to get a few of them back with the 900 stuff. I'm with you - I need a break too. Not sure where or when, but we will have to get something figured out! Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What? You mean EVERYTHING on these lists isn't factual? Matt have you installed any 900 yet? Probably not too much need out there where the trees don't grow? Out there in Wireless Paradise! We should get together this fallI'm in need of a break! Later, Rick Harnish President Supernova Technologies, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office [EMAIL PROTECTED] Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 2:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 radio This is not true. The Tranzeo 900mhz radios can use 20, 10 or 5mhz channels. They only use it all up if that is how you configure it. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blair Davis wrote: I've looked at the specs for these units. They eat the ENTIRE 900MHz band as one channel. Carl A Jeptha wrote: Contact WAV for pricing on Tranzeo 900 802.11g. My Rep. in Canada is Claudio Ricci. You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca office 905 349-2084 Emergency only Pager 905 377-6900 skype cajeptha Butch Evans wrote: On Wed, 12 Jul 2006, Blair Davis wrote: Hoppers don't play nice with Direct Sequence Spread Spectrum. On the other hand, hoppers can get through more noise While this is almost accurate, it is not exacly right. FHSS can cause serious problems for a DSSS system, as the hopper runs across the band. HOWEVER, DSSS will trash about 30% of that spectrum for the hopper. (At least that is the approximate ratio for the 2.4GHz range.) Having said that, FHSS in 900 DOES make a lot of sense, so long as you have the ability to choose where it hops. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Spectrum sharing test proposal
They haven't specified a frequency. They are asking for opinions about what the criteria should be in deciding which frequency(s) should be used for the Test-Bed program. 3. What criteria should be used in identifying candidate frequency band(s) for the Test-Bed program? What relationship should the frequency bands have to the goal(s) identified for the Test-Bed? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spectrum sharing test proposal What frequency are they talking about. I read through the entire document and didn't see the frequency. George Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, Sorry for the cross post. I'm hoping that the FCC committee people will see this sooner and work on it sooner/more this way Here is the issue: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-77A1.pdf Basically the FCC is asking if they should allow two 10MHz chunks of spectrum to be used as tests. Exactly what the tests would be, what spectrum would be used, and what we should be looking for is all up in the air. I've attached my 1st draft. Please note the paragraph numbers when you respond to me so I can more easily work your thoughts into this. thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] How do you market your WISP
Great Topic, this is something I have been working hard at lately and would be interested in everyones input as well. Here are some of the ways we have advertised our service. Yards signs This is my favorite. In the areas that we KNOW qualify for service, Yard Signs is a great way for us to directly market our service to potential customers. For one we know we can get them service, so there is no need to do site surveys. We can schedule that persons install right away, which makes a good impression when the customer calls. The other thing that we love about yard signs, they are a constant reminder to those passing by of what we are offering. Door Hangers Door Hangers is about as direct as you can get, which I am all for, but we havent had any real success using them. I imagine they get lost in the credit card apps and end up in the trash after a quick glance. The return WE have gotten off of Yard Signs is not worth the paper they were printed on, not to mention all the extra work walking around, and the risk of getting mauled by neighborhood dogs. Spamming About every quarter we spam our current Dial-Up and DSL customers in hopes to convert those to Wireless. It is an inexpensive way of getting the word out. I dont have any real numbers to quote on our success with that, but it really doesnt matter because its free. Company Web Site I dont have the percentages, but I always make a point of asking customers where they heard about us. Believe it or not, I have had a bunch of new installs because of our website add. Working with your Partners As you grow, you start to get an idea of how to take advantage of every opportunity, or at least I have. For example, in our last lease contract with the Water Company, we offered them a set monthly lease rate ($100), and on top of that we agreed to pay them $1 extra for every customer that we serviced from their tank. This gave them an incentive to help us grow. They have helped us market our service to their customers by way of news letters, billing statements, and word of mouth. It has proven to be a very good deal for both parties. It is a good thing when we are sending them a couple hundred dollars a month in royalty checks. Get creative!!! Community We have been invited, by the local Amateur Radio club, to be apart of their filed day event here in town. With the emphasis being on how our industry could quickly provide data services in emergency situations. It should be a fun time, and give us an opportunity to spread the word. Maybe try getting something going for the county fair in your town, or other special events. Referral Programs Give away a month of free internet to customers that get you customers. Word of Mouth This is the most important marketing plan you will have, and the one you have no direct control over. Make a great product, support it well, and be available to get it to the public, and you will have great Word of Mouth. Dont be afraid to eat a few dollars to make a customer happy. Often we will fix PCs, configure devices, and basically go the extra mile for our customers. Make sure when you leave their home, they have a smile on their face. This is some of the things we have tried, and I hope it helps, good luck!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:29 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] How do you market your WISP Gentlemen; I am in the final stages of design and have begun to guild my WISP. I was wondering what the most effective methods were for marketing? I was thinking of using the mail, possibly arranging a demo in a parking lot, flyers, and of course adding my company name to the lists on the internet. Lee -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] How do you market your WISP
Chad, Thanks for the great email! I'll change 2 of yours: Referrals: instead of a credit on the bill... send them a check.. that's a bigger WOW! I like the idea of sending them a check. Like you say, that has a much bigger WOW factor. We will have to try that. Word of Mouth: have downloadable videos of HOWTO's. With your logo prominently displayed on shirts, hats, mouse pads, cups, etc. (Product placement :) If the video is decent, it will be sent out to many people. Spreads your name. Another good idea!! - Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. Chad Halsted wrote: Great Topic, this is something I have been working hard at lately and would be interested in everyone's input as well. Here are some of the ways we have advertised our service. * * *Yards signs* This is my favorite. In the areas that we KNOW qualify for service, Yard Signs is a great way for us to directly market our service to potential customers. For one we know we can get them service, so there is no need to do site surveys. We can schedule that person's install right away, which makes a good impression when the customer calls. The other thing that we love about yard signs, they are a constant reminder to those passing by of what we are offering. *Door Hangers* Door Hangers is about as direct as you can get, which I am all for, but we haven't had any real success using them. I imagine they get lost in the credit card apps and end up in the trash after a quick glance. The return WE have gotten off of Yard Signs is not worth the paper they were printed on, not to mention all the extra work walking around, and the risk of getting mauled by neighborhood dogs. *Spamming * About every quarter we spam our current Dial-Up and DSL customers in hopes to convert those to Wireless. It is an inexpensive way of getting the word out. I don't have any real numbers to quote on our success with that, but it really doesn't matter because it's free. *Company Web Site* I don't have the percentages, but I always make a point of asking customers where they heard about us. Believe it or not, I have had a bunch of new installs because of our website add. *Working with your Partners* As you grow, you start to get an idea of how to take advantage of every opportunity, or at least I have. For example, in our last lease contract with the Water Company, we offered them a set monthly lease rate ($100), and on top of that we agreed to pay them $1 extra for every customer that we serviced from their tank. This gave them an incentive to help us grow. They have helped us market our service to their customers by way of news letters, billing statements, and word of mouth. It has proven to be a very good deal for both parties. It is a good thing when we are sending them a couple hundred dollars a month in royalty checks. Get creative!!! *Community * We have been invited, by the local Amateur Radio club, to be apart of their filed day event here in town. With the emphasis being on how our industry could quickly provide data services in emergency situations. It should be a fun time, and give us an opportunity to spread the word. Maybe try getting something going for the county fair in your town, or other special events. *Referral Programs* Give away a month of free internet to customers that get you customers. *Word of Mouth* This is the most important marketing plan you will have, and the one you have no direct control over. Make a great product, support it well, and be available to get it to the public, and you will have great Word of Mouth. Don't be afraid to eat a few dollars to make a customer happy. Often we will fix PCs, configure devices, and basically go the extra mile for our customers. Make sure when you leave their home, they have a smile on their face. This is some of the things we have tried, and I hope it helps, good luck!! -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:29 AM *To:* wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* [WISPA] How do you market your WISP Gentlemen; I am in the final stages of design and have begun to guild my WISP. I was wondering what the most effective methods were for marketing? I was thinking of using the mail, possibly arranging a demo in a parking lot, flyers, and of course adding my company name to the lists on the internet. Lee -- Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com/newsletter.htm -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] Who is Open Range Communications Inc.?
And Arkansas... This is was posted in www.ardemgaz.com (Arkansas Democrat Gazette) today under the Notices section of the paper. You may want to check your paper today. LEGAL NOTICE OPEN RANGE COMMUNICATIONS INC. We are a prospective applicant under the Rural Broadband Access Loan and Loan Guarantee Program being administered by the Rural Development, Utilities Programs (RDUP), United States Department of Agriculture. We are required, as a prospective applicant to announce our intent to provide broadband services (200 kilobits upstream and downstream) in the State of Arkansas in the following communities: Arkadelphia, Batesville, Bentonville, Blytheville, Bryant, Cabot, DeQueen, Dumas, East End, Greenwood, Harrison, Heber Springs, Hope, Hot Springs Village, Lowell, Magnolia, Marion, Monticello, Morrilton, Stuttgart, Van Buren, Waynne Incumbent broadband service providers have 30 days from the date of this Legal Notice to inform RDUP if they are currently providing broadband service in these areas or if they have a commitment to provide service in these areas. Incumbent broadband service providers should submit to RDUP, on a form prescribed by RDUP, the number of residential customers receiving broadband service in the proposed service area, the rates of data transmission, and the cost of each level of service or proof of commitment to provide service in the proposed service area. A map should also be provided showing the boundaries of your service area in relation to the communities above. A Legal Notice Response Form can be obtained from RDUP's website at www.usda.gov/rus/telecom. 37055620f [37055620] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 4:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: wireless@wispa.org; isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Subject: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] Who is Open Range Communications Inc.? Interesting. I guess that the Form 477 doesn't count for this? Many of those cities (most???) in Washington are already well covered! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: KyWiFi LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:08 PM Subject: [WISP] Who is Open Range Communications Inc.? Anyone heard of Open Range Communications Inc.? They have applied for RUS grant money in numerous cities throughout the country. Below are a few links to their notices that I have found however, based on search engine results, it appears as though they have also applied for RUS funds in Kentucky, Florida and Virginia as well. I know that there are a couple cities in our coverage area that they have applied for RUS money to construct their own facilities in so I'll be filing the necessary paperwork with RDUP in hopes that their application for those two areas is declined. I am unable to locate where they are based or their contact information. I searched bbb.org and dnb.com but they are not registered with either of these so I'm thinking they may be a start-up company. There are quite a few cities listed in each of their state notices below so if you are operating in any of these states, you'll want to click the applicable link(s) I've provided below to see if they are trying to invade your turf too. The last thing we as WISP's need is for RUS money to be given out to someone who is attempting to compete with one of us in an area that already has broadband. We need to each do our part and file the necessary form with RDUP so they don't give money away for areas that already have broadband available whether the area is covered by a WISP, CLEC or ILEC. North Carolina: http://www.ncpress.com/2x2Network/06Apr24OpenRange.pdf South Carolina: http://display.independentmail.com/ROP/ads.aspx?advid=395985 Maine: http://me.mypublicnotices.com/PublicNotice.asp?Page=PublicNoticeAdId=91 346 Colorado: http://tinyurl.com/g99rl Connecticut: http://ct.mypublicnotices.com/PublicNotice.asp?Page=PublicNoticeAdId=93 998 Idaho: http://www.nwmarket.com/index.php?cmd=browsecat=Personalscode=018 http://www.mountainhomenews.com/classifieds#Miscellaneous Nevada: http://fastads.swiftnews.com/indi/?s=tcanui=tba=850526 Rhode Island: http://www.projo.com/cgi-bin/include.pl/classifieds/legals.htm Vermont: http://tinyurl.com/ghruo Iowa: http://www.waarc.org/waarc_1_003.htm Georgia: http://www.earlycountynews.com/ROP/large/Misc%2Dopenrange%2Ehtm Texas: http://www.fortstocktonpioneer.com/classifieds/?loc=detailmain=LEGALS Kentucky: contact me off list and I will e-mail you a scanned copy of a local newspaper notice placed by their company Shannon D.
RE: [WISPA] Smith pitches 'Broadband for America Act'
What do they mean by White Spaces? --Wireless Broadband and White Spaces: Instructs the FCC to issue final rules within six months allocating white spaces on an unlicensed basis along with technical guidelines that prevent radio interference. Final rules will break way for low-cost broadband service, especially in rural areas too expensive to serve by wire. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
I hope you enjoy yours as much as I have mine. :D From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP Chad, Based on your post, I just purchased a couple 533mhz boards with CM9 cards from Lonnie. :) Travis Microserv Chad Halsted wrote: Travis, I have a StarOS PTP link using the 533mhz WAR boards that get up to 33Mbps (TCP). Thats using CM9 atheros cards and 2 PacWireless Dishes. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP Hi, Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their 533mhz boards in just a point to point config, using 20mhz of spectrum? Travis Microserv Paul Hendry wrote: All the details are on the Valemount web sitehttp://www.staros.com/starvx/ Cheers,P.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Richard GoodinSent: 11 April 2006 09:15To: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISPSo... Who makes them?, how much? Hi Richard, This cloaking mechanism is the 5MHz and 10MHz channel sizes thatGeorge was referring to on the Star WAR boards. Works really well and evenseems to improve signal quality.Cheers,P.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Richard GoodinSent: 11 April 2006 08:09To: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISPGuys;These all sound great. I was reading just a couple months back about a WISPoperator that had a severe problem. Just a few yards away, maybe 300 feet,another guy put up his tower. I think they were both on 2.4 GHZ, andsomeone suggested a different AP that would not even be detected byconventional systems. Something about nonstandard bandwidth, channelspacing or coding. I really feel that stealth is best here. These otherguys have been in business for a while and could cause trouble that I do notneed.Lee Trango does make a good product. I still have 2 Sunstream AP's in use. They are like Timex watches.I'm using Star War boards. A little bit more than the trango s. The 2 card boards in a 5 gig rootenna let me use the 2nd card for an omni.Speeds are about 20+ megs or so and I cloak down to 5MHz and 10MHz channel sizes.One of the things I've been doing is slapping up repeaters all over theplace. Cheap as hell, about 400.00 or so.Lately I've ran lmr400 into some of my customers attics and installed anomni for their home wifi. We tend to service our customers right to the pc and it's a lot better router than a linksys. And I have happier customersand I'm happier.The 2 port and the 4 port both have dual ethernet as well.Pretty versatile product. Lonnie has come along way with the new warplatform.GeorgeTravis Johnson wrote: That's on quantity 30 $149 each. 5.8ghz, dual polarity, up to 3 miles (add $40 for a dish and it goes up to 13 miles) and delivers up to 10Mbps. Hard to beat! And with SmartPolling on the AP, you can get hundreds ofcustomers per sector.TravisMicroservRick Smith wrote: that's only quantity (large!) pricing isn't it ?Brian Rohrbacher wrote: If it's pretty absent of trees you might look at 5.8. Trango has thatcpe for $150. Not going to find any propriety gear cheaper.Richard Goodin wrote: I have been planning my WISP for about a year, and have yet to begindelivery of bandwidth to customers. My choice for service delivery was 802.11b, but with increased competition from other services nearby(about 5 miles away) I am wondering how to avoid problems. I have a50' tower, and it is ROHN 45g. My choice for antennas would be 4 90degree horizontal antennas. I have looked at bandwidth and shopped it to death. My best price is $400 from Lime Light. And I've built acouple of servers, acquired some switches and a router. The Router is a Cisco 1750.My questions:What CPE's and AP's would work best in this environment? I want tokeep interferance to a minimum, as well as control costs. Myenvironment includes lots of desert, and single story buildings.Lee --WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/--No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/307 - Release Date: 10/04/2006--No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/307 - Release Date: 10/04/2006--WISPA Wireless List: wireless
RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
Travis, I have a StarOS PTP link using the 533mhz WAR boards that get up to 33Mbps (TCP). Thats using CM9 atheros cards and 2 PacWireless Dishes. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP Hi, Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their 533mhz boards in just a point to point config, using 20mhz of spectrum? Travis Microserv Paul Hendry wrote: All the details are on the Valemount web sitehttp://www.staros.com/starvx/ Cheers,P.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Richard GoodinSent: 11 April 2006 09:15To: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISPSo... Who makes them?, how much? Hi Richard, This cloaking mechanism is the 5MHz and 10MHz channel sizes thatGeorge was referring to on the Star WAR boards. Works really well and evenseems to improve signal quality.Cheers,P.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Richard GoodinSent: 11 April 2006 08:09To: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISPGuys;These all sound great. I was reading just a couple months back about a WISPoperator that had a severe problem. Just a few yards away, maybe 300 feet,another guy put up his tower. I think they were both on 2.4 GHZ, andsomeone suggested a different AP that would not even be detected byconventional systems. Something about nonstandard bandwidth, channelspacing or coding. I really feel that stealth is best here. These otherguys have been in business for a while and could cause trouble that I do notneed.Lee Trango does make a good product. I still have 2 Sunstream AP's in use. They are like Timex watches.I'm using Star War boards. A little bit more than the trango s. The 2 card boards in a 5 gig rootenna let me use the 2nd card for an omni.Speeds are about 20+ megs or so and I cloak down to 5MHz and 10MHz channel sizes.One of the things I've been doing is slapping up repeaters all over theplace. Cheap as hell, about 400.00 or so.Lately I've ran lmr400 into some of my customers attics and installed anomni for their home wifi. We tend to service our customers right to the pc and it's a lot better router than a linksys. And I have happier customersand I'm happier.The 2 port and the 4 port both have dual ethernet as well.Pretty versatile product. Lonnie has come along way with the new warplatform.GeorgeTravis Johnson wrote: That's on quantity 30 $149 each. 5.8ghz, dual polarity, up to 3 miles (add $40 for a dish and it goes up to 13 miles) and delivers up to 10Mbps. Hard to beat! And with SmartPolling on the AP, you can get hundreds ofcustomers per sector.TravisMicroservRick Smith wrote: that's only quantity (large!) pricing isn't it ?Brian Rohrbacher wrote: If it's pretty absent of trees you might look at 5.8. Trango has thatcpe for $150. Not going to find any propriety gear cheaper.Richard Goodin wrote: I have been planning my WISP for about a year, and have yet to begindelivery of bandwidth to customers. My choice for service delivery was 802.11b, but with increased competition from other services nearby(about 5 miles away) I am wondering how to avoid problems. I have a50' tower, and it is ROHN 45g. My choice for antennas would be 4 90degree horizontal antennas. I have looked at bandwidth and shopped it to death. My best price is $400 from Lime Light. And I've built acouple of servers, acquired some switches and a router. The Router is a Cisco 1750.My questions:What CPE's and AP's would work best in this environment? I want tokeep interferance to a minimum, as well as control costs. Myenvironment includes lots of desert, and single story buildings.Lee --WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/--No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/307 - Release Date: 10/04/2006--No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/307 - Release Date: 10/04/2006--WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
