Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection
A WISP doesn't own (or lease) everywhere. A company owns or leases their corporate space. If a Russian or Chinese spy snuck a MiFi into Lockheed Skunkworks and somehow passed their other forms of security, you'd be okay with them chugging away uploading whatever they found? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Dennis Burgess" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 3:09:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection While I understand your reasoning, I would disagree. If you could do this, for the security of a WISP, we will shut down all Access Points via Deauth attack that my Access Points can see. Also note, I am not talking for the FCC, but for what I believe is right, in this case, you can’t own a location or area of the wifi bands, therefore, you can’t cause harmful interference, and a deauth attack would be harmful, and interference. I can agree that you can detect it and shut it off on a port on your network, but you should not be able to interfere with other operations, regardless if it is your property or not. Maybe that’s not the intent from those actions, but it’s clear that if it’s not on your network then you can’t do much about it. Now, if they are on your property, sure you can tell them to turn it off or leave, but that’s another issue. lol Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 2:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection There is no mention of a blanket refusal. In the FCC citation, the fact that they're charging for Internet access is brought up every time the deauthing activity is. https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-329743A1.pdf https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-14-1444A1.pdf In reading that second one, they also keep bringing up that Marriott charged for Internet (and a lot at that). "Specifically, such employees had used this capability to prevent users from connecting to the Internet via their own personal Wi-Fi networks when these users did not pose a threat to the security of the Gaylord Opryland network or its guests." Sounds like security is a viable defense. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Dennis Burgess" < dmburg...@linktechs.net > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 11:43:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection You cannot do it at all…. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 11:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection You can do it all day long within your own company. Marriott was doing it to force people to give them money. A company doing it has plenty of other reasons. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Dennis Burgess" < dmburg...@linktechs.net > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 10:05:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection Note that many of these systems (rather rogue AP prevention) have been deemed illegal by the FCC, a hotel chain was fined 600k I think due to it. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Scott Piehn Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 9:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection I have a customer that is being required to get rogue access point detection. not a one time thing but ongoing detection. What products have people used. - Scott M Piehn ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection
There is no mention of a blanket refusal. In the FCC citation, the fact that they're charging for Internet access is brought up every time the deauthing activity is. https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-329743A1.pdf https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-14-1444A1.pdf In reading that second one, they also keep bringing up that Marriott charged for Internet (and a lot at that). "Specifically, such employees had used this capability to prevent users from connecting to the Internet via their own personal Wi-Fi networks when these users did not pose a threat to the security of the Gaylord Opryland network or its guests." Sounds like security is a viable defense. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Dennis Burgess" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 11:43:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection You cannot do it at all…. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 11:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection You can do it all day long within your own company. Marriott was doing it to force people to give them money. A company doing it has plenty of other reasons. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Dennis Burgess" < dmburg...@linktechs.net > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 10:05:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection Note that many of these systems (rather rogue AP prevention) have been deemed illegal by the FCC, a hotel chain was fined 600k I think due to it. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Scott Piehn Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 9:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection I have a customer that is being required to get rogue access point detection. not a one time thing but ongoing detection. What products have people used. - Scott M Piehn ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection
If they can have prevention systems (I assume they do) for all WiFi in NSA, CIA, Skunkworks, etc., then you can run them in your corporate environment for security measures. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Tim Kerns" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 11:08:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection Dennis, I think you are taking this to literal. I have the right to detect and prohibit any wireless access point that is “connected” to my network. I do not have the right to bar an access point that is within my area of control from operating as long as it is not using my network for connectivity. The hotel was trying to prevent guest and other business from using access points that were NOT connected to their network and thus avoiding paying them a fee. Big difference here. From: Dennis Burgess Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 8:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection Yep, you do not control the airwaves in your business, therefor you cannot interfere with any “access point” that conforms with Part-15. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adair Winter Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 10:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection a public place such as a hotel chain vs my private business where I needed to be able to control the wifi and keep things like wifi pineapples from snooping on my business would be not allowed? On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Dennis Burgess < dmburg...@linktechs.net > wrote: Note that many of these systems (rather rogue AP prevention) have been deemed illegal by the FCC, a hotel chain was fined 600k I think due to it. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Scott Piehn Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 9:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection I have a customer that is being required to get rogue access point detection. not a one time thing but ongoing detection. What products have people used. - Scott M Piehn ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection
I think the terms detection and prevention are fairly self explanatory. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Dennis Burgess" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 10:49:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection There are two things that you need to think of and I’m sure different vendors call it different things, so let me go in depth on this. One method is to find a access point that has been plugged into the switching system of a network. Think, a business that someone plugged in a Linksys to or something. This is accomplished typically, by sending that access point data, and seeing what “swtichport” it comes in on, then turning off that switch port. THIS IS ALLOWED. Basically detecting that a rouge AP is on managed or switched infrastructure. This would NOT affect any kind of personal hotspot, such as a LTE hotspot, as there is no port to turn off, and there for the access point would operate normally, but it would also not be considered a rouge access point. The other kind, is the one most people think of, find a rouge AP that should not be out there, and send a deauth attack to prevent it from using up air time and prevent people from using it. In this manner, the access point can’t operator due to directed harmful interference, the deauth attack. This is NOT ALLOWED. This would be like me brining in a LTE hotspot setting it on the office desk and surfing with my cell phone or laptop on it vs the corp network. Eric, maybe you can fill us in on what the two features are called on Ruckus so that we know what their names are so that we don’t get them confused. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Albert Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 10:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection Many commercial solutions, such as Ruckus Wireless (where I work) have Rouge AP Detection capability built into their APs or controllers. There is nothing nefarious or illegal surrounding this feature. Let me know if you'd like to talk further. Eric Albert MSO SE Ruckus Wireless On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Adair Winter < ada...@amarillowireless.net > wrote: a public place such as a hotel chain vs my private business where I needed to be able to control the wifi and keep things like wifi pineapples from snooping on my business would be not allowed? On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Dennis Burgess < dmburg...@linktechs.net > wrote: Note that many of these systems (rather rogue AP prevention) have been deemed illegal by the FCC, a hotel chain was fined 600k I think due to it. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Scott Piehn Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 9:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection I have a customer that is being required to get rogue access point detection. not a one time thing but ongoing detection. What products have people used. - Scott M Piehn ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection
You can do it all day long within your own company. Marriott was doing it to force people to give them money. A company doing it has plenty of other reasons. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Dennis Burgess" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 10:05:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection Note that many of these systems (rather rogue AP prevention) have been deemed illegal by the FCC, a hotel chain was fined 600k I think due to it. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Piehn Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 9:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection I have a customer that is being required to get rogue access point detection. not a one time thing but ongoing detection. What products have people used. - Scott M Piehn ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF
So then what do you guys think should be the desired functionality, standards, etc. we'd want out of MEF\CE in a WISP "router"? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Daniel White" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 7:34:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF Okay my 2 cents – and I’m largely taking my vendor hat off here. So something to add to the offlist discussion I had with Mike (some Latvian companies have heard of MEF, and already have roadmaped Y.1731 in their Integra radios)… there is A LOT of certifications for MEF… http://metroethernetforum.org/carrier-ethernet/technical-specifications OAM is just one part of the puzzle. I’m sure Mikrotik, just like many manufacturers, could say we are MEF compliant (and we (SAF) already are on things like 9 & 14). Certification costs A LOT of money. Just joining the organization is $15,000 USD annually. So for a WISP focused manufacturer (and Mikrotik isn’t the only router manufacturer focused on WISP’s right?) spending the huge sums without seeing there will be a return (how many people are building OAM into their networks… probably a handful here) isn’t worth the investment. So make it worth the investment. :-) Carrier Ethernet is many things, it’s not just one thing. And what it is has different definitions to different people. Metro Ethernet Forum (MEF) or ITU-T (International Telecommunications Union) or IEEE (Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers) is not a specific thing… but a lot of things. Y.1731 is actually an ITU-T recommendation, similar to IEEE 802.1AG. MEF has an interpretation of Y.1731 included in MEF 17, 30.1, 31, 31.0.1, 35, 35.0.1, 35.0.2, 36, 38, and 39 with test suites 21 and 25. SAF tends to stick to ITU and IEEE certifications. But since MEF develops their recommendations from them, we are usually compliant. An argument could be made that MEF is an organization made up to line the pockets of a small few by charging exorbitant rates to get equipment or networks certified based on standards created by ITU and IEEE. Kinda like a good ol’ boys club (together we set the standard, and I promise I’ll buy a lot after we charge you this large amount of money for “Certification” to block your competition)… Usually on the Tier 1 networks require certification, which happen to be the ones that created MEF to begin with (and also the vendors that tend to be heavily involved). Of course anyone can join MEF and get certification… but the cost barrier to entry is high. My point being – make sure to be specific to any manufacturer what you are asking for. Don’t say “you need carrier Ethernet” or “you need MEF compliance/certification” but instead be specific “I’d like Y.1731 compliance in your equipment.” Point to a specific standard… it helps a lot. Maybe tell them which routerboards specifically need it – some of their hardware probably can’t support it (or at least well). Anyways I promise the inner-core of Mikrotik has heard of MEF. But all manufacturers engineer towards demand (or perceived demand in the case of more visionary ideas) because that is how we make money. I can’t promise everyone in sales, engineering, or tech support at SAF know what MEF is… but I promise the people that work on our Ethernet stack, that work in Ethernet product development (why does an RF engineer need to know what MEF is?), and work in our testing department know. cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370 Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com SAF Tehnika & Integra Introduction Video – http://youtu.be/xqrXOq4Uzgg Spectrum Compact Introduction Video – http://youtu.be/2GoNP974B4k cid:40B6B97A-78D8-4322-9584-2247AEDCEC32cid:C62FF935-06DE-41B5-8D9C-6CDF5978E509cid:A57FE05F-BC56-4980-982F-1E3DA8E28EBEcid:0F4D1499-0C92-4A56-9097-3F468F84263A SAF Tehnika JSC www.saftehnika.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 2:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF Not the same when you are a router manufacturer… Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 at 6:05 PM To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF How many WISPs have heard of MEF or CE or even VPLS? So... have you asked for it yet? :-p supp...@mikrotik.com - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http:
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF
I don't use MT wireless anymore (well, for new outdoor). Too behind the times. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Tim Way" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 4:31:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF Hands up! Now if only we had a polling engine... *high five* - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Adair Winter" < ada...@amarillowireless.net > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 4:07:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF *Raises hand* On Dec 30, 2014 4:05 PM, "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: How many WISPs have heard of MEF or CE or even VPLS? So... have you asked for it yet? :-p supp...@mikrotik.com - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Gino Villarini" < g...@aeronetpr.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 4:00:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF They are a router vendor and didn't knew about MEF...??? Are you f...kng kidding me??? Sheesh! They do live in a bubble...I guess that's one of the reasons they have not grown out of the wisp market Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Dec 30, 2014, at 5:47 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: They had never heard of it before and I'm the only one that has ever brought it up to them. Trying to convince them now to do the work. At the last US MUM, they were saying to e-mail them with requests and enhancements. Since they said no one has before, I invite you all to. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Gino Villarini" < g...@aeronetpr.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 3:39:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF And they agreed? Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Dec 30, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: E-mail Mikrotik support and ask them to obtain MEF certification. For those that don't know what MEF is, it's what the big boys have for all of the gear they use. http://metroethernetforum.org/certification/equipment-certification-overview http://metroethernetforum.org/carrier-ethernet/technical-specifications Y.1731 is a big thing to my prospective clients to document the performance of circuits I provide. https://metroethernetforum.org/Assets/Presentation/Overview_of_the_Work_of_the_MEF_20130610.pptx - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF
/me slaps Josh with a large trout. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Reynolds" To: "WISPA General List" , "Adair Winter" Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 4:28:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF Raises hand. :) (Does it count if I worked for a MEF Member / MEF Trainer / MEF Vendor?) On December 30, 2014 1:07:46 PM AKST, Adair Winter wrote: *Raises hand* On Dec 30, 2014 4:05 PM, "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: How many WISPs have heard of MEF or CE or even VPLS? So... have you asked for it yet? :-p supp...@mikrotik.com - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Gino Villarini&quo t; < g...@aeronetpr.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 4:00:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF They are a router vendor and didn't knew about MEF...??? Are you f...kng kidding me??? Sheesh! They do live in a bubble...I guess that's one of the reasons they have not grown out of the wisp market Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Dec 30, 2014, at 5:47 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: They had never heard of it before and I'm the only one that has ever brought it up to them. Trying to convince them now to do the work. At the last US MUM, they were saying to e-mail them with requests and enhancements. Since they said no one has before, I invite you all to. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Gino Villarini" < g...@aeronetpr.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 3:39:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF And they agreed? Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Dec 30, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: E-mail Mikrotik support and ask them to obtain MEF certification. For those that don't know what MEF is, it's what the big boys have for all of the gear they use. http://metroethernetforum.org/certification/equipment-certification-overview http://metroethernetforum.org/carrier-ethernet/technical-specifications Y.1731 is a big thing to my prospective clients to document the performance of circuits I provide. https://metroethernetforum.org/Assets/Presentation/Overview_of_the_Work_of_the_MEF_20130610.pptx - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF
If it takes a few years and a few more years to get working, they need all the time they can get! That said, a lot of this is standards of various types people are already doing all over. They aren't reinventing the wheel. Then again, CCR BGP performance. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Adair Winter" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 4:12:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF now to email them. I mean.. what could go wrong trying to get them to implement a brand new feature set they know nothing about??? on the plus side, it should only take a few years to get it added and a few more to get it working well. :) On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: *high five* - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Adair Winter" < ada...@amarillowireless.net > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 4:07:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF *Raises hand* On Dec 30, 2014 4:05 PM, "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: How many WISPs have heard of MEF or CE or even VPLS? So... have you asked for it yet? :-p supp...@mikrotik.com - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Gino Villarini" < g...@aeronetpr.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 4:00:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF They are a router vendor and didn't knew about MEF...??? Are you f...kng kidding me??? Sheesh! They do live in a bubble...I guess that's one of the reasons they have not grown out of the wisp market Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Dec 30, 2014, at 5:47 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: They had never heard of it before and I'm the only one that has ever brought it up to them. Trying to convince them now to do the work. At the last US MUM, they were saying to e-mail them with requests and enhancements. Since they said no one has before, I invite you all to. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Gino Villarini" < g...@aeronetpr.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 3:39:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF And they agreed? Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Dec 30, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: E-mail Mikrotik support and ask them to obtain MEF certification. For those that don't know what MEF is, it's what the big boys have for all of the gear they use. http://metroethernetforum.org/certification/equipment-certification-overview http://metroethernetforum.org/carrier-ethernet/technical-specifications Y.1731 is a big thing to my prospective clients to document the performance of circuits I provide. https://metroethernetforum.org/Assets/Presentation/Overview_of_the_Work_of_the_MEF_20130610.pptx - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF
*high five* - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Adair Winter" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 4:07:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF *Raises hand* On Dec 30, 2014 4:05 PM, "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: How many WISPs have heard of MEF or CE or even VPLS? So... have you asked for it yet? :-p supp...@mikrotik.com - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Gino Villarini" < g...@aeronetpr.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 4:00:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF They are a router vendor and didn't knew about MEF...??? Are you f...kng kidding me??? Sheesh! They do live in a bubble...I guess that's one of the reasons they have not grown out of the wisp market Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Dec 30, 2014, at 5:47 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: They had never heard of it before and I'm the only one that has ever brought it up to them. Trying to convince them now to do the work. At the last US MUM, they were saying to e-mail them with requests and enhancements. Since they said no one has before, I invite you all to. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Gino Villarini" < g...@aeronetpr.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 3:39:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF And they agreed? Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Dec 30, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: E-mail Mikrotik support and ask them to obtain MEF certification. For those that don't know what MEF is, it's what the big boys have for all of the gear they use. http://metroethernetforum.org/certification/equipment-certification-overview http://metroethernetforum.org/carrier-ethernet/technical-specifications Y.1731 is a big thing to my prospective clients to document the performance of circuits I provide. https://metroethernetforum.org/Assets/Presentation/Overview_of_the_Work_of_the_MEF_20130610.pptx - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF
How many WISPs have heard of MEF or CE or even VPLS? So... have you asked for it yet? :-p supp...@mikrotik.com - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Gino Villarini" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 4:00:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF They are a router vendor and didn't knew about MEF...??? Are you f...kng kidding me??? Sheesh! They do live in a bubble...I guess that's one of the reasons they have not grown out of the wisp market Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Dec 30, 2014, at 5:47 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: They had never heard of it before and I'm the only one that has ever brought it up to them. Trying to convince them now to do the work. At the last US MUM, they were saying to e-mail them with requests and enhancements. Since they said no one has before, I invite you all to. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Gino Villarini" < g...@aeronetpr.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 3:39:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF And they agreed? Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Dec 30, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: E-mail Mikrotik support and ask them to obtain MEF certification. For those that don't know what MEF is, it's what the big boys have for all of the gear they use. http://metroethernetforum.org/certification/equipment-certification-overview http://metroethernetforum.org/carrier-ethernet/technical-specifications Y.1731 is a big thing to my prospective clients to document the performance of circuits I provide. https://metroethernetforum.org/Assets/Presentation/Overview_of_the_Work_of_the_MEF_20130610.pptx - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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They had never heard of it before and I'm the only one that has ever brought it up to them. Trying to convince them now to do the work. At the last US MUM, they were saying to e-mail them with requests and enhancements. Since they said no one has before, I invite you all to. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Gino Villarini" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 3:39:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF And they agreed? Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Dec 30, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: E-mail Mikrotik support and ask them to obtain MEF certification. For those that don't know what MEF is, it's what the big boys have for all of the gear they use. http://metroethernetforum.org/certification/equipment-certification-overview http://metroethernetforum.org/carrier-ethernet/technical-specifications Y.1731 is a big thing to my prospective clients to document the performance of circuits I provide. https://metroethernetforum.org/Assets/Presentation/Overview_of_the_Work_of_the_MEF_20130610.pptx - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF
E-mail Mikrotik support and ask them to obtain MEF certification. For those that don't know what MEF is, it's what the big boys have for all of the gear they use. http://metroethernetforum.org/certification/equipment-certification-overview http://metroethernetforum.org/carrier-ethernet/technical-specifications Y.1731 is a big thing to my prospective clients to document the performance of circuits I provide. https://metroethernetforum.org/Assets/Presentation/Overview_of_the_Work_of_the_MEF_20130610.pptx ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
The GSM carriers chose HSDPA for a while until that didn't really pan out.
Verizon was the first to LTE, but the last to 4G, IIRC.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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- Original Message -
From: "Darin Steffl"
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:36:04 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
The only wimax phones that existed were a few phones on sprint where clearwire
had built out coverage. No other national carrier had wimax and it was never
fully adopted. Now every national carrier and many regional ones have LTE
networks and have committed to that standard. This is worldwide as well with
many carriers going LTE as their new data network. Wimax was never fully
adopted by any industry while LTE has shown it is.
I agree with Patrick that many people here are ignorant of the standards and
the scalability opportunities of LTE. I myself am ignorant of the facts as well
but I'm learning not just from Patrick but reading about the new LTE releases
coming up so I can respond here with educated answers. I suggest other
operators do their research as well instead of just replying with childish
answers to this thread. It is hurting our reputation to whine and complain
about a new product and LTE standards when we don't know what we're talking
about. This technology is working for operators who are using it so please
continue to do more research as we hear from more people deploying it and then
ask fair, educated questions like adults. Thank you
On Wednesday, December 17, 2014, Robert Andrews < nos...@avantwireless.com >
wrote:
Well it's the invisible 800 lb gorilla for the rest of the tech in the
Internet...
On 12/17/14 5:45 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Uhm not sure that's the industry that would sway something like that...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 17, 2014 8:39 PM, "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote:
If porn chooses WiMAX will it come back?
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org >
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:37:06 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
Well Wimax vs LTE I think was won when Verizon decided on it.
It's like Bluray vs HDDVD - porn chose Bluray. Or Beta vs VHS - porn chose VHS.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Patrick Leary < patrick.le...@telrad.com >
wrote:
Really, Guys, you are sounding like silly kids. Remind about it being just like
WiMAX as you pull that LTE phone out of your pocket.
Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:09 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
The next idea is always a better one.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org >
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:08:04 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE. Didn't people say the same thing you are now
about WiMAX?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, "Patrick Leary" < patrick.le...@telrad.com > wrote:
Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the
discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no
large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a
global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by
carriers.
Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless
(and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor
beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly
accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a
deeply niche market).
Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun
Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
If porn chooses WiMAX will it come back? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:37:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Well Wimax vs LTE I think was won when Verizon decided on it. It's like Bluray vs HDDVD - porn chose Bluray. Or Beta vs VHS - porn chose VHS. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Patrick Leary < patrick.le...@telrad.com > wrote: Really, Guys, you are sounding like silly kids. Remind about it being just like WiMAX as you pull that LTE phone out of your pocket. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story The next idea is always a better one. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender. From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:08:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE. Didn't people say the same thing you are now about WiMAX? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, "Patrick Leary" < patrick.le...@telrad.com > wrote: Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by carriers. Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless (and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a deeply niche market). Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary < patrick.le...@telrad.com > wrote: I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor is doing the LTE R&D. There's more R&D being invested in LTE ecosystem wide than any other telecom technology in history I suspect. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and AT&T =P When they start competing against me I'll pay attention. Since I'm confident they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary < patrick.le...@telrad.com > wrote: Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the "LTE can't deal with unlicensed." Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown into LTE for R&D and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are different disciplines. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story @LTEwatch: "Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly
Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
But at the time it was WiMAX is taking over the world because it was a standard and there were tons of people showing up. Yes, I did have a WiMAX phone and it was pretty awesome where they built coverage. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Patrick Leary" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:18:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Really, Guys, you are sounding like silly kids. Remind about it being just like WiMAX as you pull that LTE phone out of your pocket. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story The next idea is always a better one. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender. - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:08:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE. Didn't people say the same thing you are now about WiMAX? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, "Patrick Leary" < patrick.le...@telrad.com > wrote: Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by carriers. Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless (and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a deeply niche market). Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary < patrick.le...@telrad.com > wrote: I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor is doing the LTE R&D. There's more R&D being invested in LTE ecosystem wide than any other telecom technology in history I suspect. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and AT&T =P When they start competing against me I'll pay attention. Since I'm confident they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary < patrick.le...@telrad.com > wrote: Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the "LTE can't deal with unlicensed." Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown into LTE for R&D and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are different disciplines. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story @LTEwatch: "Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly next year" http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y Original Message Click below to easily share or schedule to Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn: Easy Share Link Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini **
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The next idea is always a better one. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:08:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE. Didn't people say the same thing you are now about WiMAX? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, "Patrick Leary" < patrick.le...@telrad.com > wrote: Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by carriers. Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless (and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a deeply niche market). Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary < patrick.le...@telrad.com > wrote: I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor is doing the LTE R&D. There's more R&D being invested in LTE ecosystem wide than any other telecom technology in history I suspect. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and AT&T =P When they start competing against me I'll pay attention. Since I'm confident they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary < patrick.le...@telrad.com > wrote: Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the "LTE can't deal with unlicensed." Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown into LTE for R&D and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are different disciplines. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story @LTEwatch: "Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly next year" http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y Original Message Click below to easily share or schedule to Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn: Easy Share Link Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. **
Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced
Or take you out to dinner before they... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Mathew Howard" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 2:17:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced You would think they could've put an SFP port in there for that price... From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Mike Hammett [wispawirel...@ics-il.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced Still no SFPs. Would have liked to see higher QAM. Would have liked to see > 1 GB interface. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Gino Villarini" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:45:01 PM Subject: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced Just got a email from UBNT AF24HD announced, similar to AF24, bigger Rx dish (40db) 256 qam 1 Gbps Fdx http://www.ubnt.com/airfiber/airfiber24/ No pricing or availability info, Ben? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Your AF dropped... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Matt Hoppes" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:35:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced Wait... why are you driving if you can't see past the hood of your car? ;-) On 12/17/14, 2:34 PM, Adair Winter wrote: > SWAG. In skywarn training we were always told that if you cant see past > the hood of your car, that's 1" per hour or more. > > On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Josh Luthman > mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: > > How are you guys measuring/finding the inch per hour rainfall? > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Adair Winter > mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> > wrote: > > The rains that have knocked ours our were 1" per hour. > (certainly no less then .5"/hr) > > On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Jim Patient > mailto:jpati...@linktechs.net>> wrote: > > It takes a pretty hard rain before our 3.2 mile link fails > over to the backup Mikrotik link. It usually takes >.3"/hr > to drop it out. Light rain doesn't affect it as much as I > expected. Overall, I'm well pleased with it for the price. > > > __ __ > > I agree with Gino. $6K is a no brainer for me to jump to a > licensed link. > > __ __ > > __ __ > > JimPatientSignature.png > > __ __ > > _jpati...@linktechs.net <mailto:jpati...@linktechs.net>_ > > www.LinkTechs.net <http://www.linktechs.net/>*| > *www.TowerCoverage.com <http://www.towercoverage.com/> > > usa_flag *Phone:* 314-735-0270 *FAX*: > 636-660-1534 > > *canada_flagPhone:*647-725-7011 > > __ __ > > __ __ > > __ __ > > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Adair Winter > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:05 PM > *To:* WISPA General List > > > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced > > __ __ > > in the rain? my 2.7 miles link drops in anything but a > drizzle. > > __ __ > > On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Matt Hoppes > <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote: > > Working great at 3 miles here in PA. > > On 12/17/14, 1:59 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > > Working great at six miles here in Alaska. > > > > On December 17, 2014 9:58:58 AM AKST, Tim Reichhart > > <mailto:timreichh...@hometowncable.net>> wrote: > > > > Here is my issue the af24 wouldnt work for me since I > live in the > > Midwest and we get rain etc... it would only work > about an mile or > > so not 8 mile shots when can you guys get an working > 24Ghz airfiber > > to work in these types of weather climates? > > > > Tim > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: "Ben Moore" <mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com>> > > To: "WISPA General List" <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> > > Date: 12/17/14 01:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced > > > > and 50% more range... > > > > On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Josh Reynolds > > mailto:j...@spitwspots.com> > <mailto:j...@spitwspots.com <mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>>> > wrote: > > > > 500Mbps technically :) > > > > > > On December 17, 2014 9:52:55 AM AKST, Gino > Villarini > > mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>> wrote: > > > > Dang! 2x price for 250 mbps more, ouch! > > > > > > > > Gino A. Villarini > > President > > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > > www.aeronetpr.com > <http://www.aeronetpr.com> <http://www.aeronetpr.com> > > @aeronetpr > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "ben.mo...@ubnt.com > <mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com> <mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com > <mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com>>" > > <mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com> <mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com > <mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com>>> > > Reply-To: WISPA General List > mailto:wireless@wisp
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ITU rain rate isn't reliable, at least not here. Storms are much more intense, so it goes down deeper (or down completely). ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Reynolds" To: "WISPA General List" , "Tim Reichhart" Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:05:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced We have quite a few links, depends on which one. Many shoot over the ocean a few miles. Alaska weather plus bay fog. Look at your ITU rain zone and do the math. On December 17, 2014 10:02:35 AM AKST, Tim Reichhart wrote: Josh but is it snowing all the time? if so what kind of speeds are you getting out of them. Tim -Original Message- From: "Josh Reynolds" To: "WISPA General List" Date: 12/17/14 02:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced Working great at six miles here in Alaska. On December 17, 2014 9:58:58 AM AKST, Tim Reichhart wrote: Here is my issue the af24 wouldnt work for me since I live in the Midwest and we get rain etc... it would only work about an mile or so not 8 mile shots when can you guys get an working 24Ghz airfiber to work in these types of weather climates? Tim -Original Message- From: "Ben Moore" To: "WISPA General List" Date: 12/17/14 01:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced and 50% more range... On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Josh Reynolds < j...@spitwspots.com > wrote: 500Mbps technically :) On December 17, 2014 9:52:55 AM AKST, Gino Villarini < g...@aeronetpr.com > wrote: Dang! 2x price for 250 mbps more, ouch! Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: " ben.mo...@ubnt.com " < ben.mo...@ubnt.com > Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 at 2:48 PM To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced Hi Gino - Initial shipments are in transit to distributors so units will be received in early to mid January. MSRP is $6k/link. Thanks, Ben On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Gino Villarini < g...@aeronetpr.com > wrote: Just got a email from UBNT AF24HD announced, similar to AF24, bigger Rx dish (40db) 256 qam 1 Gbps Fdx http://www.ubnt.com/airfiber/airfiber24/ No pricing or availability info, Ben? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced
By 2 dB - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:12:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced Uh ya exactly. Everyone is skipping over the BIGGER DISH!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Ben Moore < ben.mo...@ubnt.com > wrote: and 50% more range... On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Josh Reynolds < j...@spitwspots.com > wrote: 500Mbps technically :) On December 17, 2014 9:52:55 AM AKST, Gino Villarini < g...@aeronetpr.com > wrote: Dang! 2x price for 250 mbps more, ouch! Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: " ben.mo...@ubnt.com " < ben.mo...@ubnt.com > Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 at 2:48 PM To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced Hi Gino - Initial shipments are in transit to distributors so units will be received in early to mid January. MSRP is $6k/link. Thanks, Ben On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Gino Villarini < g...@aeronetpr.com > wrote: Just got a email from UBNT AF24HD announced, similar to AF24, bigger Rx dish (40db) 256 qam 1 Gbps Fdx http://www.ubnt.com/airfiber/airfiber24/ No pricing or availability info, Ben? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced
*nods* faster than similarly priced licensed gear, but does go further. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Gino Villarini" To: "Ben Moore" , "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:05:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced I think its out of market… $4k would be more reasonable $6k is in the licensed band range Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: " ben.mo...@ubnt.com " < ben.mo...@ubnt.com > Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 at 2:56 PM To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > Cc: Gino Villarini < g...@aeronetpr.com > Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced and 50% more range... On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Josh Reynolds < j...@spitwspots.com > wrote: 500Mbps technically :) On December 17, 2014 9:52:55 AM AKST, Gino Villarini < g...@aeronetpr.com > wrote: Dang! 2x price for 250 mbps more, ouch! Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: " ben.mo...@ubnt.com " < ben.mo...@ubnt.com > Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 at 2:48 PM To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced Hi Gino - Initial shipments are in transit to distributors so units will be received in early to mid January. MSRP is $6k/link. Thanks, Ben On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Gino Villarini < g...@aeronetpr.com > wrote: Just got a email from UBNT AF24HD announced, similar to AF24, bigger Rx dish (40db) 256 qam 1 Gbps Fdx http://www.ubnt.com/airfiber/airfiber24/ No pricing or availability info, Ben? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced
It'll work at 2 miles in Chicago. It'll still drop, but rare. Maybe it'll stay up with this 2 dB additional gain? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Tim Reichhart" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:58:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced Here is my issue the af24 wouldnt work for me since I live in the Midwest and we get rain etc... it would only work about an mile or so not 8 mile shots when can you guys get an working 24Ghz airfiber to work in these types of weather climates? Tim -Original Message- From: "Ben Moore" To: "WISPA General List" Date: 12/17/14 01:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced and 50% more range... On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Josh Reynolds < j...@spitwspots.com > wrote: 500Mbps technically :) On December 17, 2014 9:52:55 AM AKST, Gino Villarini < g...@aeronetpr.com > wrote: Dang! 2x price for 250 mbps more, ouch! Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: " ben.mo...@ubnt.com " < ben.mo...@ubnt.com > Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 at 2:48 PM To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced Hi Gino - Initial shipments are in transit to distributors so units will be received in early to mid January. MSRP is $6k/link. Thanks, Ben On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Gino Villarini < g...@aeronetpr.com > wrote: Just got a email from UBNT AF24HD announced, similar to AF24, bigger Rx dish (40db) 256 qam 1 Gbps Fdx http://www.ubnt.com/airfiber/airfiber24/ No pricing or availability info, Ben? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced
Can I put two side by side and get twice the bandwidth for twice the price? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Ben Moore" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:48:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced Hi Gino - Initial shipments are in transit to distributors so units will be received in early to mid January. MSRP is $6k/link. Thanks, Ben On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Gino Villarini < g...@aeronetpr.com > wrote: Just got a email from UBNT AF24HD announced, similar to AF24, bigger Rx dish (40db) 256 qam 1 Gbps Fdx http://www.ubnt.com/airfiber/airfiber24/ No pricing or availability info, Ben? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced
Still no SFPs. Would have liked to see higher QAM. Would have liked to see > 1 GB interface. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Gino Villarini" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:45:01 PM Subject: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced Just got a email from UBNT AF24HD announced, similar to AF24, bigger Rx dish (40db) 256 qam 1 Gbps Fdx http://www.ubnt.com/airfiber/airfiber24/ No pricing or availability info, Ben? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G
Also only my opinion, but I believe: The licenses are 10 MHz wide, but unlicensed operations can do whatever they want regarding channel size (well, and device certification). An operator can only have three licenses in a given area (block, tract, I forget what). 50 MHz will remain for unlicensed operations. All channels are dynamically allocated by the SAS database (even licensed). Your license isn't for a specific 10 Mhz (3550 - 3560), but just 10 MHz anywhere in the space. I think that's about all that i would add or redirect from your post. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Patrick Leary" To: "paolo difrancesco" , "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:27:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G Paolo, As Mike notes, WISPA has had a number of webinars on the topic. Here is my understanding of what's to be expected, in part, of the emerging rules. NOTE: THIS MAY NOT BE WHAT ACTUALLY EMERGES AS THE RULES, it comprises MY educated expectation. None have a better understanding though than Steve Coran and it is well worth a consultation fee for any U.S.-based operator to have a dedicated call with him. I will offer some international perspective here as well for your benefit there in Italy. - 100 MHz of spectrum, divided in 10 MHz channels per census blocks (tricky) - Of this, 30-50% MAY be auctioned off, though "auction" process is likely not to follow traditional cumbersome process, but some low burden streamlined method - remaining 70% (7 10 MHz channels) will be open for free, opportunistic use - Of this, it seems FCC may limit any individual operator from acquiring more that 30% (3 channels) - "ownership" likely to be purchased in yearly blocks, up to 3 years max perhaps - HOWEVER...even if one "owns" some of this spectrum, others can use it IF the owners have not built in the spectrum. And then, once and if the owners DO build, the borg (as I call it) like Google or Spectrum Bridge who'll be dynamically managing base station channels (all connected to the cloud) will relocate the opportunistic user to open spectrum, returning back the exclusive spectrum to the owner now actively using it - this borg will have the government contract to manage the spectrum following a methodology akin to how TVWS works currently, though management may be more granular (if Google has its way, and I think more granularity is better, as it would open use more broadly) - potential power seems undetermined at this point, but may exceed current 3.65 for hyper rural areas, similar to the Canadian model (could be huge) - there will likely be a prioritization scheme whereby certain defined sets of users will granted use priority, meaning the borg moves other users away from their active channels, moving them to open channels I understand some of this sounds impossible, but that's because many of us don't yet understand what's meant by "dynamic" as it relates to machines talking to machines in real time. A reason I submit this all matters internationally is that U.S. adoption of this band for commercial use will help drive scale, further reducing cost globally and encouraging lots of device makers to build devices (what the LTE world calls "UEs" for the band -- a cell phone is a UE, as is a fixed wireless CPE). I fully expect things like IP cameras, traffic systems, parking meters, etc. to have embedded 3.5x LTE chipsets, not to mention gobs of traditional fixed wireless "UE" options. Over the years, I've been pretty spot on with my market predictions re fixed wireless -- which companies survive, which spectrum comes along, use uptake, etc. -- and in some cases I've played a literal direct role in enabling it (see my comments in this FCC transcript re advised rules for 3.65 band way back in 2002, 3 years before it was released http://transition.fcc.gov/sptf/files/0801fcc.pdf). I am hoping my streak continues. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G will that spectrum be licensed? > Those are good points Mike, and it explains one reason I'm so excited > over 3.550-3.650 MHz. I think the coming spectrum is a game changer > for many reasons, this among them. > > *Patrick Leary* > > ***M*727.501.3735 > > <http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet> > > > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [
Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G
Yes and no. WISPA has had several webinars and e-mails about the 3550 - 3700 band. Perhaps one of hte admins can direct you to one of them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 8:17:50 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G will that spectrum be licensed? > Those are good points Mike, and it explains one reason I'm so excited > over 3.550-3.650 MHz. I think the coming spectrum is a game changer > for many reasons, this among them. > > *Patrick Leary* > > ***M*727.501.3735 > > <http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet> > > > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 8:26 AM > *To:* WISPA General List > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD > and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G > > I know of eICIC. It's still increasing efficiency as you're now doing > this all in one channel everywhere vs. one channel per radio or a > couple channels per tower. > > That said, in unlicensed spectrum that is busy like 5 GHz or 2.4, > you're not going to use the same channel everywhere as it would be > impossible to do so due to external interferers. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > Image removed by sender. <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>Image removed > by sender. > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>Image > removed by sender. > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>Image > removed > by sender. <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > > > > *From: *"Patrick Leary" > *To: *"WISPA General List" > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 10, 2014 7:22:36 AM > *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD > and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G > > It is beyond basic concepts like increased efficiency. LTE goes much > further. See my last post. > > *Patrick Leary* > > *M*727.501.3735 > > <http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet> > > > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 7:41 AM > *To:* WISPA General List > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD > and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G > > Why not allow both? > > I think every vendor is releasing equipment with better spectral > efficiency. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > Image removed by sender. <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>Image removed > by sender. > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>Image > removed by sender. > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>Image > removed > by sender. <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > > > > *From: *"daniel mullen" > *To: *"WISPA General List" > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 10, 2014 6:36:58 AM > *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD > and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G > > It is a better idea we get higher throughput with better modulations > instead of simply grabbing larger pieces of spectrum. We cannot make > ever larger channel sizes without running into problems! > > > Daniel > > > Gino Villarini wrote .. > > How is that going to make a difference? > > > > > > > > Gino A. Villarini > > President > > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > > www.aeronetpr.com > > @aeronetpr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/9/14, 11:11 PM, "daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca" > > wrote: > > > > >Using 200 MHz of bandwidth - just wait until Ubiquiti decides to do 10x > > >channel sizes! > > > > > >Daniel > > > > > >Gino Villarini wrote .. > > >> > > >> ow.ly/FBFcX > > >> > > >> > > >> Gino A. Villarini > >
Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G
I know of eICIC. It's still increasing efficiency as you're now doing this all in one channel everywhere vs. one channel per radio or a couple channels per tower. That said, in unlicensed spectrum that is busy like 5 GHz or 2.4, you're not going to use the same channel everywhere as it would be impossible to do so due to external interferers. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Patrick Leary" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 7:22:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G It is beyond basic concepts like increased efficiency. LTE goes much further. See my last post. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 7:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G Why not allow both? I think every vendor is releasing equipment with better spectral efficiency. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender. - Original Message - From: "daniel mullen" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 6:36:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G It is a better idea we get higher throughput with better modulations instead of simply grabbing larger pieces of spectrum. We cannot make ever larger channel sizes without running into problems! Daniel Gino Villarini wrote .. > How is that going to make a difference? > > > > Gino A. Villarini > President > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > www.aeronetpr.com > @aeronetpr > > > > > > > On 12/9/14, 11:11 PM, "daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca" > wrote: > > >Using 200 MHz of bandwidth - just wait until Ubiquiti decides to do 10x > >channel sizes! > > > >Daniel > > > >Gino Villarini wrote .. > >> > >> ow.ly/FBFcX > >> > >> > >> Gino A. Villarini > >> President > >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > >> www.aeronetpr.com > >> @aeronetpr > >> > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G
Why not allow both? I think every vendor is releasing equipment with better spectral efficiency. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "daniel mullen" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 6:36:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G It is a better idea we get higher throughput with better modulations instead of simply grabbing larger pieces of spectrum. We cannot make ever larger channel sizes without running into problems! Daniel Gino Villarini wrote .. > How is that going to make a difference? > > > > Gino A. Villarini > President > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > www.aeronetpr.com > @aeronetpr > > > > > > > On 12/9/14, 11:11 PM, "daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca" > wrote: > > >Using 200 MHz of bandwidth - just wait until Ubiquiti decides to do 10x > >channel sizes! > > > >Daniel > > > >Gino Villarini wrote .. > >> > >> ow.ly/FBFcX > >> > >> > >> Gino A. Villarini > >> President > >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > >> www.aeronetpr.com > >> @aeronetpr > >> > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] New Ubiquiti Rocket5ac PtP
The non-airPrism isn't going to be any better and probably worse in noisy areas. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:07:38 AM Subject: [WISPA] New Ubiquiti Rocket5ac PtP Hi All I am curious to hear from you what is your feedback about the new Ubiquiti point-to-point link in noisy environments Did you already swapped old link with the new technology with the same channel width? Regards -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Fwd: [Observium] Wireless Support (Aruba, Ruckus, Trapeze, Cisco, etc)
It looks like Observium is expanding a bit. In what direction, I'm not certain. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Forwarded Message - From: ad...@observium.org To: "Observium Network Observation System" Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 4:35:44 AM Subject: [Observium] Wireless Support (Aruba, Ruckus, Trapeze, Cisco, etc) Hi All, Could those of you who are interested in wireless support email me off-list? I've totally lost track of who has offered to financially sponsor development and/or provide access to test hardware. Please include the following information : Contact/Company/Subscriber information What type of support you'd be willing to provide What type of hardware you use What you use the hardware for (WISP, Enterprise, etc) Additionally if you already use some other platform with your wireless kit, perhaps some screenshots and description of how you use the platform would be useful, as would any suggestions on how a wifi infrastructure management interface might be structured. We're not wireless infrastructure experts, but you guys might be! :) Depending upon the level of interest when everyone is accounted for, we might consider building specific wireless support into Observium. Please reply to this mail but change the "to" field to ad...@observium.org. If you use a different subject, your mail might be lost forever :) Thanks, adam. ___ observium mailing list observ...@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] groundcontrol project
They don't seem to care at all what we want if it isn't in their vision. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Randy Cosby" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 2:09:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] groundcontrol project Would it pay to see if UBNT would allow us to continue to use some of the provisioning mechanisms built into the radios for aircontrol? It's nice to have subscriber units "phone home." On 12/3/2014 12:39 PM, Jay Weekley wrote: I was wondering if that might come about. Maybe another wisp that uses their own software might offer something. Mike Hammett wrote: Further driven by today's post that summed up says, "We don't care what you want. This is what you get." - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *"Josh Reynolds" *To: *"WISPA General List" , "Ubiquiti Users Group" , a...@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, December 3, 2014 1:19:23 PM *Subject: *[WISPA] groundcontrol project For those of you who haven't heard, several of us started a new project yesterday. https://github.com/esseph/groundcontrol Licensing is tentatively set as falling under GPLv2. We have already been offered code snippets, a dev box, a db server, and several people have decided to volunteer time to make this happen. The initial idea is that the system itself will be free, with a possibly paid support/features option, or maybe a model similar to observium where the is a "community" (free as in beer) version that comes out every 6mo or so, and a "paid" version with newer features and direct support. We're not sure yet, but we want to make this project accessible and fairly vendor-neutral. If any of you could volunteer time, support, code, documentation, ideas, etc.it would be greatly appreciated. This is a project by and for the WISP community. Thank you! -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- signature Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 infowest.com This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact rco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] groundcontrol project
Further driven by today's post that summed up says, "We don't care what you want. This is what you get." - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Reynolds" To: "WISPA General List" , "Ubiquiti Users Group" , a...@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 1:19:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] groundcontrol project For thos e of you who haven't heard, several of us started a new project yesterday. https://github.com/esseph/groundcontrol Licensing is tentatively set as falling under GPLv2. We have already been offered code snip pets, a dev box, a db server, and several peop le have decided to volunteer time to make this happen. The initial idea is that the system itself will be free, with a possibly paid support/features option, or maybe a model similar to obs ervium where the is a "community" (free as in beer) version that comes out every 6mo or so, and a "paid" version with newer features and direct support. We're not sure yet, b ut we want to make this project accessible and fairly vendor-neutral. If any of you could v olunteer time, support, code, documentation, ideas, etc. it would be greatly appreciated. This is a project by and for the WISP community. Thank you! -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] I need to monitor bandwidth usage
Well, does the UBNT system expose all of the OIDs you're wanting to monitor? :-p ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Reynolds" To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 4:26:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need to monitor bandwidth usage Money compensates for alot. Also, I'd like them to support SAF =] josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/01/2014 01:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: It was my understanding that he required the vendors to fix their broken systems before he invested much time into extended his product's capabilities. He'll just do it anyway if you paid him? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Reynolds" To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 4:16:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need to monitor bandwidth usage Yes, Adam can be a douche :) I'd like for a bunch of us to get together and shell out $ 2 00 or so each . If 10 or 20 WISPs do it that pays for the development of the feature. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/01/2014 01:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Correct. The guy in charge can be a bit of a dick, but usually he's just pointing out where others failed to do their job. IE: crappy SNMP implementations. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Reynolds" To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:27:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need to monitor bandwidth usage Only supports certain things Mike. You can't specify custom OIDs to monitor or an yt hing like that, which is why a little over a year ago I was trying to get support from the UBNT community to correctly graph mikrotik and ubiquiti devices. I ended up getting busy with it so I haven't sent the request and cash to Adam, but it should be a couple grand to get everything supported ( AirFibers, etc.) Other than that, we have been using it here at SPITwSPOTS for over a year for switches and routers, and I've been using it myself for a little over 2. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/01/2014 11:59 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: If we're going to start talking about graphing systems, I suggest you all look at Observium. Justin Miller's blog has some great articles on setting it up. http://dynstatic.net/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Sean Heskett" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 2:51:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need to monitor bandwidth usage Cacti Cactiez is a easy install cd that will format the drive, install Linux and all the cacti software etc On Monday, December 1, 2014, ~NGL~ < n...@ngl.net > wrote: I need an inexpensive means to keep track of under 100 clients bandwidth usage. Any suggestions? Thanx NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] I need to monitor bandwidth usage
It was my understanding that he required the vendors to fix their broken systems before he invested much time into extended his product's capabilities. He'll just do it anyway if you paid him? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Reynolds" To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 4:16:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need to monitor bandwidth usage Yes, Adam can be a douche :) I'd like for a bunch of us to get together and shell out $ 2 00 or so each . If 10 or 20 WISPs do it that pays for the development of the feature. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/01/2014 01:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Correct. The guy in charge can be a bit of a dick, but usually he's just pointing out where others failed to do their job. IE: crappy SNMP implementations. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Reynolds" To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:27:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need to monitor bandwidth usage Only supports certain things Mike. You can't specify custom OIDs to monitor or an yt hing like that, which is why a little over a year ago I was trying to get support from the UBNT community to correctly graph mikrotik and ubiquiti devices. I ended up getting busy with it so I haven't sent the request and cash to Adam, but it should be a couple grand to get everything supported ( AirFibers, etc.) Other than that, we have been using it here at SPITwSPOTS for over a year for switches and routers, and I've been using it myself for a little over 2. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/01/2014 11:59 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: If we're going to start talking about graphing systems, I suggest you all look at Observium. Justin Miller's blog has some great articles on setting it up. http://dynstatic.net/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Sean Heskett" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 2:51:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need to monitor bandwidth usage Cacti Cactiez is a easy install cd that will format the drive, install Linux and all the cacti software etc On Monday, December 1, 2014, ~NGL~ < n...@ngl.net > wrote: I need an inexpensive means to keep track of under 100 clients bandwidth usage. Any suggestions? Thanx NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] I need to monitor bandwidth usage
Your billing system. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Akinlolu C. Ajayi-Obe" To: wireless@wispa.org, "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:38:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need to monitor bandwidth usage How do you create individual data caps for users? Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 21:54 To: WISPA General List Reply To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need to monitor bandwidth usage Mikrotik is waaay easier and will be cheaper than Mikrotik + cacti assuming >0 cost of server. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: Cacti Cactiez is a easy install cd that will format the drive, install Linux and all the cacti software etc On Monday, December 1, 2014, ~NGL~ < n...@ngl.net > wrote: I need an inexpensive means to keep track of under 100 clients bandwidth usage. Any suggestions? Thanx NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [Text File:ATT001.txt] [image/gif:flag.gif] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] I need to monitor bandwidth usage
Correct. The guy in charge can be a bit of a dick, but usually he's just pointing out where others failed to do their job. IE: crappy SNMP implementations. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Reynolds" To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:27:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need to monitor bandwidth usage Only supports certain things Mike. You can't specify custom OIDs to monitor or an yt hing like that, which is why a little over a year ago I was trying to get support from the UBNT community to correctly graph mikrotik and ubiquiti devices. I ended up getting busy with it so I haven't sent the request and cash to Adam, but it should be a couple grand to get everything supported ( AirFibers, etc.) Other than that, we have been using it here at SPITwSPOTS for over a year for switches and routers, and I've been using it myself for a little over 2. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/01/2014 11:59 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: If we're going to start talking about graphing systems, I suggest you all look at Observium. Justin Miller's blog has some great articles on setting it up. http://dynstatic.net/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Sean Heskett" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 2:51:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need to monitor bandwidth usage Cacti Cactiez is a easy install cd that will format the drive, install Linux and all the cacti software etc On Monday, December 1, 2014, ~NGL~ < n...@ngl.net > wrote: I need an inexpensive means to keep track of under 100 clients bandwidth usage. Any suggestions? Thanx NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] I need to monitor bandwidth usage
Where else would you do it? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Matt Hoppes" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:00:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need to monitor bandwidth usage On a router On 12/1/14, 4:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Create 100 simple queues. Done. > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Matt Hoppes <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote: > > You want to run MRTG on a router? > > On 12/1/14, 3:53 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > Mikrotik is waaay easier and will be cheaper than Mikrotik + cacti > > assuming >0 cost of server. > > > > > > Josh Luthman > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > 1100 Wayne St > > Suite 1337 > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Sean Heskett > <mailto:af...@zirkel.us> > > <mailto:af...@zirkel.us <mailto:af...@zirkel.us>>> wrote: > > > > Cacti > > > > Cactiez is a easy install cd that will format the drive, install > > Linux and all the cacti software etc > > > > > > On Monday, December 1, 2014, ~NGL~ mailto:n...@ngl.net> > > <mailto:n...@ngl.net <mailto:n...@ngl.net>>> wrote: > > > > __ > > I need an inexpensive means to keep track of under 100 clients > > bandwidth usage. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanx > > NGL > > If you can read this Thank A Teacher. > > And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! > > > > > > ___ > > Wireless mailing list > > Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> > <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org>> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Wireless mailing list > > Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] I need to monitor bandwidth usage
If we're going to start talking about graphing systems, I suggest you all look at Observium. Justin Miller's blog has some great articles on setting it up. http://dynstatic.net/ ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Sean Heskett" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 2:51:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need to monitor bandwidth usage Cacti Cactiez is a easy install cd that will format the drive, install Linux and all the cacti software etc On Monday, December 1, 2014, ~NGL~ < n...@ngl.net > wrote: I need an inexpensive means to keep track of under 100 clients bandwidth usage. Any suggestions? Thanx NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] I need to monitor bandwidth usage
Ask your billing system. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "~NGL~" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 2:49:56 PM Subject: [WISPA] I need to monitor bandwidth usage I need an inexpensive means to keep track of under 100 clients bandwidth usage. Any suggestions? Thanx NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Solar setup recommendations...
Wrong thread, Bob. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Bob M" To: "WISPA General List" , sc...@brevardwireless.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 2:30:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar setup recommendations... guys. I'm not looking for solar system. I'm not looking for d_c power plant. I know all about those I'm not looking for that. I'm looking for a stupid simple economical u_p_s with an snmp card to power this radio for maybe 5 minutes. Just long enoigh to send me an SNMP command to say "Hey the ac power is gone ...don't bother driving out here." That's all I'm looking for. Now does anyone have any thoughts. These are not CPE locations. They are commercial hubs. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Sean Heskett Date:12/01/2014 1:48 PM (GMT-05:00) To: sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar setup recommendations... You'll need to do some math first. How many watts of power do you need, multiply by 24 to get your daily usage. Add in some buffer if you think this site will expand (it probably will). For instance say your draw is 100watts * 24 = 2400watts. In Florida on dec 21st you should have 5 hours sunlight available (there are government charts that can tell you exactly what to expect) 2400/5=480watts this is your array size (solar panels) Once you have your daily usage, how many days do you want to run with no sunlight?? in Florida you will probably only need a couple days. 2400 * 2 = 4800watt hours ( you need to double this since you don't want the batteries to go below 50%) 4800*2= 9600watt hours. This is your storage capacity (batteries) So for panels you want to shop for 500-600watts of panels. Three 200watt 24vdc panels should be fine or two 250watt panels. It all depends on how much expansion you want this site to be able to handle. For batteries we us UB4D sealed batts. They are 210amp 12vdc = 2,520 watt hours. So you'll need 4. Connect 2 in series, 2 others in series and then those 2 banks in parallel (to get to 24vdc) For charge controllers I really like the Morningstar tri-star MPPT chargers. But any MPPT controller is fine. Be sure to fuse and breaker everything!!! We usually buy from wholesalesolar.com they have decent prices and they will answer all your questions and find you all the right parts etc. Good luck! Sean p.s. The above calculations were based on assumptions like 100watts of draw, 2 days of runtime in Florida etc. you'll need to adjust accordingly to your needs. On Monday, December 1, 2014, Scott Carullo < sc...@brevardwireless.com > wrote: I have a new site that needs to be powered by solar. Needs to run a MT 2011 router and 4 UBNT rocket 5Ghz radios. Would like it to be 24v based since that is what all the equipment requires. Also a battery recommendation would be super, controller etc. Its all being mounted outside on a pipe which is chain mounted to a monopole tower at 60ft. Just need the shopping list to make this happen. I appreciate your input and your time, thanks. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Need UPS recommendations
Something like that for a CPE setup would be nice. Powers the radio, router and ATA (preferably at least some of those units are integrated) for a few hours. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Bob M" To: "Wispa" Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 12:06:14 PM Subject: [WISPA] Need UPS recommendations Looking for a UPS with SNMP that can send me a loss of AC power alert and power up the backhand radio for maybe 5-10 minutes. Worse case scenario on the radio will 80 watts of draw at 110 vac. Other option would be a basic ups and an external monitoring device. Need something economical because I need to do about 50 sites. Tnx Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 5 ghz backhaul sanity check
5150 != DFS. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Fred Goldstein" To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 11:23:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5 ghz backhaul sanity check On 11/30/2014 11:55 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > I have a link at 6.6 miles with a pair of Rocket M5. It's at 5765 and > has worked beautifully for a couple of years now. It is -55 on each > side with 2' dishes. > > I'm looking at doing another link that's almost identical (one similar > tower) and my calculations are showing if I use 5660 at 14dbm tx power > I should see -56. Does this sound right at all? 6.6 miles seems far > off the top of my head for the DFS band. The ERP limit there is +30, so if you're using +14 tx power, then the antenna gain is only 16 dB or you're noncompliant. That's what a NanoStation does on DFS. A big dish (like the 2 footer, around 30 dB gain) would still help with receive gain but you would have to turn down the Rocket to something lower (0 dBm). UBNT DFS stuff is approved for +41 dBm EIRP or so on the 5150 band, though. -- Fred R. Goldstein k1io fred "at" interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 5 ghz backhaul sanity check
If you're using 2' dishes, you should be using a Tx power of around 0 dB. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 10:55:02 PM Subject: [WISPA] 5 ghz backhaul sanity check I have a link at 6.6 miles with a pair of Rocket M5. It's at 5765 and has worked beautifully for a couple of years now. It is -55 on each side with 2' dishes. I'm looking at doing another link that's almost identical (one similar tower) and my calculations are showing if I use 5660 at 14dbm tx power I should see -56. Does this sound right at all? 6.6 miles seems far off the top of my head for the DFS band. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts
I haven't had ACH fraud before, but my bank has always worked quickly to restore debit card fraud. Cost to electronic payments? Mine only cost the time it takes to enter it. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Fred Goldstein" To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:02:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts On 11/25/2014 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Who are you writing checks to and why aren't you doing something better? I haven't written a check in years. One of my Interisle partners is a financial-IT expert, and knows the banking system inside and out. He designed the network for Wall Street twice, most recently after a rather sudden massive failure event in September of 2001... but he doesn't do much finance work any more. The industry has gotten too distasteful. We prefer that our major clients pay by check. The partnership distributes member payments (e.g., my pay) by check. Why not electronically? Because he knows the system too well. It turns out that if you open your account to make ACH payments, it's trivially easy for someone to take an unauthorized payment. A personal account has 30 or 60 days to catch it and undo it, but a business account has two days. So if somebody literally robs you via ACH, you're out the money if you're not checking it daily. Corporations with dedicated finance staffs can do that; small businesses like us (four partners, no staff) can't. Similarly, the cost of electronic payroll-type payments is way too high for a small business. It is insane that the major automation to the US banking system (Europe is ahead of us) is to use scanners to pass around pictures of checks electronically. But the system works pretty well for handling checks, so once you leave that paradigm, it gets funky fast. So we print checks. And I then write checks out of my own business account, both to pay myself and to pay rent and a few other business expenses. -- Fred R. Goldstein k1iofred "at" interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts
Corporation. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:12:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts ah - we are a corporation. who owns the credit card? if you're a sole, it's much easier - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts I couldn't care less when they deposit it. If it's over 30 days, my bank e-mails me. For many things, it will direct deposit them. bill the CC anything that I can, autopay the CC, bank's billpay the rest. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" < par...@cyberbroadband.net > To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:31:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts all our tower rent tenents any bill that comes in paychecks i'm happy with it. for one, if i have the bank write the check the money comes out instantly and i can't see when the other party cashed it. we write nearly 100 checks a month - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Who are you writing checks to and why aren't you doing something better? I haven't written a check in years. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" < par...@cyberbroadband.net > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:05:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts i wouldn't know what to do if we DIDN'T print checks - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Who prints checks? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "James Howard" < ja...@litewire.net > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:12:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Are you printing checks from QB? If you use a 3 rd party program to print checks using blank check stock, you aren’t going to have much luck with QB online. There were a bunch of other issues too but the conversion process did not go smoothly either. Then when we converted back, we lost something like 6 months of bank account information and had to re-enter it all. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts That never ends well on Windows servers =( Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: Windows will automatically install most updates on its own at a schedule you specify... since at least XP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:54:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts You need to update the thing every week, of course. Don't necessarily use Quickbooks every day. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: So if you don't use it on a continual basis, who cares how long it takes to update? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:46:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Updating on Linux is so much faster and cleaner than Windows. Once it is done you don't even have to reboot unless you want the new kernel...which is a simple reboot and isn't an extended reboot doing more installing before and after halt... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: Do you even Linux updates, bro? I didn't fin
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I couldn't care less when they deposit it. If it's over 30 days, my bank e-mails me. For many things, it will direct deposit them. bill the CC anything that I can, autopay the CC, bank's billpay the rest. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:31:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts all our tower rent tenents any bill that comes in paychecks i'm happy with it. for one, if i have the bank write the check the money comes out instantly and i can't see when the other party cashed it. we write nearly 100 checks a month ----- Original Message - From: Mike Hammett To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Who are you writing checks to and why aren't you doing something better? I haven't written a check in years. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" < par...@cyberbroadband.net > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:05:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts i wouldn't know what to do if we DIDN'T print checks - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Who prints checks? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "James Howard" < ja...@litewire.net > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:12:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Are you printing checks from QB? If you use a 3 rd party program to print checks using blank check stock, you aren’t going to have much luck with QB online. There were a bunch of other issues too but the conversion process did not go smoothly either. Then when we converted back, we lost something like 6 months of bank account information and had to re-enter it all. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts That never ends well on Windows servers =( Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: Windows will automatically install most updates on its own at a schedule you specify... since at least XP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:54:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts You need to update the thing every week, of course. Don't necessarily use Quickbooks every day. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: So if you don't use it on a continual basis, who cares how long it takes to update? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:46:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Updating on Linux is so much faster and cleaner than Windows. Once it is done you don't even have to reboot unless you want the new kernel...which is a simple reboot and isn't an extended reboot doing more installing before and after halt... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: Do you even Linux updates, bro? I didn't find the resource usage excessive, but maybe my environment is larger than yours? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:40:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts I am now. I want to get away from it. If it was Linux it wouldn't be a big deal but the Windows updates and excessive resources make it a pain. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 93
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Who are you writing checks to and why aren't you doing something better? I haven't written a check in years. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:05:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts i wouldn't know what to do if we DIDN'T print checks - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Who prints checks? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "James Howard" < ja...@litewire.net > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:12:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Are you printing checks from QB? If you use a 3 rd party program to print checks using blank check stock, you aren’t going to have much luck with QB online. There were a bunch of other issues too but the conversion process did not go smoothly either. Then when we converted back, we lost something like 6 months of bank account information and had to re-enter it all. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts That never ends well on Windows servers =( Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: Windows will automatically install most updates on its own at a schedule you specify... since at least XP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:54:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts You need to update the thing every week, of course. Don't necessarily use Quickbooks every day. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: So if you don't use it on a continual basis, who cares how long it takes to update? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:46:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Updating on Linux is so much faster and cleaner than Windows. Once it is done you don't even have to reboot unless you want the new kernel...which is a simple reboot and isn't an extended reboot doing more installing before and after halt... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: Do you even Linux updates, bro? I didn't find the resource usage excessive, but maybe my environment is larger than yours? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:40:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts I am now. I want to get away from it. If it was Linux it wouldn't be a big deal but the Windows updates and excessive resources make it a pain. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: I used to have it running on a Windows server in my virtual environment... until that server (Windows 2003) finally died. Run it in your existing virtual environment? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:38:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Think that could end up being noticeably less than $50 a month? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: pretty much as fast as you can click the check box On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 2:21 P
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*grumble* FB has been rough on me today. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "James Howard" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:48:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts You’re losing your touch Mike. It should have been: Friends don’t let friends print checks. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Who prints checks? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "James Howard" < ja...@litewire.net > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:12:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Are you printing checks from QB? If you use a 3 rd party program to print checks using blank check stock, you aren’t going to have much luck with QB online. There were a bunch of other issues too but the conversion process did not go smoothly either. Then when we converted back, we lost something like 6 months of bank account information and had to re-enter it all. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts That never ends well on Windows servers =( Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: Windows will automatically install most updates on its own at a schedule you specify... since at least XP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:54:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts You need to update the thing every week, of course. Don't necessarily use Quickbooks every day. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: So if you don't use it on a continual basis, who cares how long it takes to update? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:46:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Updating on Linux is so much faster and cleaner than Windows. Once it is done you don't even have to reboot unless you want the new kernel...which is a simple reboot and isn't an extended reboot doing more installing before and after halt... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: Do you even Linux updates, bro? I didn't find the resource usage excessive, but maybe my environment is larger than yours? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:40:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts I am now. I want to get away from it. If it was Linux it wouldn't be a big deal but the Windows updates and excessive resources make it a pain. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: I used to have it running on a Windows server in my virtual environment... until that server (Windows 2003) finally died. Run it in your existing virtual environment? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:38:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Think that could end up being noticeably less than $50 a month? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: pretty much as fast as you can click the check box On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Josh
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Their AP must be ran by old people, gosh, at least 40. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:32:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Nearly every one of my business customers. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: Who prints checks? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "James Howard" < ja...@litewire.net > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:12:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Are you printing checks from QB? If you use a 3 rd party program to print checks using blank check stock, you aren’t going to have much luck with QB online. There were a bunch of other issues too but the conversion process did not go smoothly either. Then when we converted back, we lost something like 6 months of bank account information and had to re-enter it all. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts That never ends well on Windows servers =( Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: Windows will automatically install most updates on its own at a schedule you specify... since at least XP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:54:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts You need to update the thing every week, of course. Don't necessarily use Quickbooks every day. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: So if you don't use it on a continual basis, who cares how long it takes to update? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:46:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Updating on Linux is so much faster and cleaner than Windows. Once it is done you don't even have to reboot unless you want the new kernel...which is a simple reboot and isn't an extended reboot doing more installing before and after halt... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: Do you even Linux updates, bro? I didn't find the resource usage excessive, but maybe my environment is larger than yours? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:40:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts I am now. I want to get away from it. If it was Linux it wouldn't be a big deal but the Windows updates and excessive resources make it a pain. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: I used to have it running on a Windows server in my virtual environment... until that server (Windows 2003) finally died. Run it in your existing virtual environment? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:38:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Think that could end up being noticeably less than $50 a month? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: pretty much as fast as you can click the check box On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: Inst
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Who prints checks? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "James Howard" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:12:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Are you printing checks from QB? If you use a 3 rd party program to print checks using blank check stock, you aren’t going to have much luck with QB online. There were a bunch of other issues too but the conversion process did not go smoothly either. Then when we converted back, we lost something like 6 months of bank account information and had to re-enter it all. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts That never ends well on Windows servers =( Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: Windows will automatically install most updates on its own at a schedule you specify... since at least XP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:54:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts You need to update the thing every week, of course. Don't necessarily use Quickbooks every day. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: So if you don't use it on a continual basis, who cares how long it takes to update? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:46:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Updating on Linux is so much faster and cleaner than Windows. Once it is done you don't even have to reboot unless you want the new kernel...which is a simple reboot and isn't an extended reboot doing more installing before and after halt... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: Do you even Linux updates, bro? I didn't find the resource usage excessive, but maybe my environment is larger than yours? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:40:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts I am now. I want to get away from it. If it was Linux it wouldn't be a big deal but the Windows updates and excessive resources make it a pain. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: I used to have it running on a Windows server in my virtual environment... until that server (Windows 2003) finally died. Run it in your existing virtual environment? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:38:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Think that could end up being noticeably less than $50 a month? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: pretty much as fast as you can click the check box On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: Instant on being genuinely instant? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: You can turn aws on and off as needed. You just click a button on a web page and it's instant on. You can also schedule it to turn on and off On Monday, November 24, 2014, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: Any idea what AWS would cost for something like this? I feel like it would eat lots of resources all day every day and I'd only u
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Windows will automatically install most updates on its own at a schedule you specify... since at least XP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:54:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts You need to update the thing every week, of course. Don't necessarily use Quickbooks every day. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: So if you don't use it on a continual basis, who cares how long it takes to update? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:46:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Updating on Linux is so much faster and cleaner than Windows. Once it is done you don't even have to reboot unless you want the new kernel...which is a simple reboot and isn't an extended reboot doing more installing before and after halt... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: Do you even Linux updates, bro? I didn't find the resource usage excessive, but maybe my environment is larger than yours? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:40:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts I am now. I want to get away from it. If it was Linux it wouldn't be a big deal but the Windows updates and excessive resources make it a pain. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: I used to have it running on a Windows server in my virtual environment... until that server (Windows 2003) finally died. Run it in your existing virtual environment? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:38:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Think that could end up being noticeably less than $50 a month? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: pretty much as fast as you can click the check box On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: Instant on being genuinely instant? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: You can turn aws on and off as needed. You just click a button on a web page and it's instant on. You can also schedule it to turn on and off On Monday, November 24, 2014, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: Any idea what AWS would cost for something like this? I feel like it would eat lots of resources all day every day and I'd only use it a couple of hours a week tops. It would be annoying to shut it down to save resources, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Carlos Alcantar < car...@race.com > wrote: You could also go the vm route using aws / rackspace / ect. I’ve heard from some people that the online quickbooks is not as full featured as the application version. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com From: Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > Date: Monday, November 24, 2014 at 12:24 PM To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Well I guess $50/month to drop the one Windows server seems worth it to me. Hopefully it's an easy transition (lol I know it's Intuit). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov
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So if you don't use it on a continual basis, who cares how long it takes to update? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:46:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Updating on Linux is so much faster and cleaner than Windows. Once it is done you don't even have to reboot unless you want the new kernel...which is a simple reboot and isn't an extended reboot doing more installing before and after halt... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: Do you even Linux updates, bro? I didn't find the resource usage excessive, but maybe my environment is larger than yours? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:40:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts I am now. I want to get away from it. If it was Linux it wouldn't be a big deal but the Windows updates and excessive resources make it a pain. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: I used to have it running on a Windows server in my virtual environment... until that server (Windows 2003) finally died. Run it in your existing virtual environment? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:38:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Think that could end up being noticeably less than $50 a month? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: pretty much as fast as you can click the check box On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: Instant on being genuinely instant? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: You can turn aws on and off as needed. You just click a button on a web page and it's instant on. You can also schedule it to turn on and off On Monday, November 24, 2014, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: Any idea what AWS would cost for something like this? I feel like it would eat lots of resources all day every day and I'd only use it a couple of hours a week tops. It would be annoying to shut it down to save resources, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Carlos Alcantar < car...@race.com > wrote: You could also go the vm route using aws / rackspace / ect. I’ve heard from some people that the online quickbooks is not as full featured as the application version. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com From: Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > Date: Monday, November 24, 2014 at 12:24 PM To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Well I guess $50/month to drop the one Windows server seems worth it to me. Hopefully it's an easy transition (lol I know it's Intuit). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Steve Barnes < st...@pcswin.com > wrote: I have 3 clients that use it. They love it. Able to access it from any web device anywhere. I use the Enterprise Edition any I love my windows servers. Steven Barnes GM PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts I saw that in a quick search, but I'm curious if you or anyone is using it. Happy? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Stev
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Do you even Linux updates, bro? I didn't find the resource usage excessive, but maybe my environment is larger than yours? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:40:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts I am now. I want to get away from it. If it was Linux it wouldn't be a big deal but the Windows updates and excessive resources make it a pain. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: I used to have it running on a Windows server in my virtual environment... until that server (Windows 2003) finally died. Run it in your existing virtual environment? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:38:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Think that could end up being noticeably less than $50 a month? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: pretty much as fast as you can click the check box On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: Instant on being genuinely instant? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: You can turn aws on and off as needed. You just click a button on a web page and it's instant on. You can also schedule it to turn on and off On Monday, November 24, 2014, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: Any idea what AWS would cost for something like this? I feel like it would eat lots of resources all day every day and I'd only use it a couple of hours a week tops. It would be annoying to shut it down to save resources, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Carlos Alcantar < car...@race.com > wrote: You could also go the vm route using aws / rackspace / ect. I’ve heard from some people that the online quickbooks is not as full featured as the application version. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com From: Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > Date: Monday, November 24, 2014 at 12:24 PM To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Well I guess $50/month to drop the one Windows server seems worth it to me. Hopefully it's an easy transition (lol I know it's Intuit). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Steve Barnes < st...@pcswin.com > wrote: I have 3 clients that use it. They love it. Able to access it from any web device anywhere. I use the Enterprise Edition any I love my windows servers. Steven Barnes GM PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts I saw that in a quick search, but I'm curious if you or anyone is using it. Happy? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Steve Barnes < st...@pcswin.com > wrote: http://quickbooks.intuit.com/online/ Steven Barnes GM PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Does anyone have a good source to host Quickbooks? I'm tired of hosting it myself and I would love to drop that Windows server like a bad habit. I'm currently using Quickbooks Pro 2014 on a Windows terminal server. I would like to be able to have 2 active concurrent users unless there's an additional recurring cost to this - in that case just 1 user is sufficient. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St S
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I used to have it running on a Windows server in my virtual environment... until that server (Windows 2003) finally died. Run it in your existing virtual environment? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:38:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Think that could end up being noticeably less than $50 a month? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: pretty much as fast as you can click the check box On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: Instant on being genuinely instant? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: You can turn aws on and off as needed. You just click a button on a web page and it's instant on. You can also schedule it to turn on and off On Monday, November 24, 2014, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: Any idea what AWS would cost for something like this? I feel like it would eat lots of resources all day every day and I'd only use it a couple of hours a week tops. It would be annoying to shut it down to save resources, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Carlos Alcantar < car...@race.com > wrote: You could also go the vm route using aws / rackspace / ect. I’ve heard from some people that the online quickbooks is not as full featured as the application version. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com From: Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > Date: Monday, November 24, 2014 at 12:24 PM To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Well I guess $50/month to drop the one Windows server seems worth it to me. Hopefully it's an easy transition (lol I know it's Intuit). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Steve Barnes < st...@pcswin.com > wrote: I have 3 clients that use it. They love it. Able to access it from any web device anywhere. I use the Enterprise Edition any I love my windows servers. Steven Barnes GM PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts I saw that in a quick search, but I'm curious if you or anyone is using it. Happy? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Steve Barnes < st...@pcswin.com > wrote: http://quickbooks.intuit.com/online/ Steven Barnes GM PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 3:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Quickbooks hosts Does anyone have a good source to host Quickbooks? I'm tired of hosting it myself and I would love to drop that Windows server like a bad habit. I'm currently using Quickbooks Pro 2014 on a Windows terminal server. I would like to be able to have 2 active concurrent users unless there's an additional recurring cost to this - in that case just 1 user is sufficient. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?
" Future FCCs would not be bound by this FCC’s decisions. " For good and bad. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Jeff Broadwick" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 8:55:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against? Title ll has a ton of regulations…some which could reasonably apply, but most that have no bearing whatsoever or would be incredibly damaging to our industry. The question…and the problem, is that we don’t know what the FCC would enforce and what they would forebear from enforcing…and for how long. Future FCCs would not be bound by this FCC’s decisions. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick Senior Account Manager, Convergence Technologies, Inc. jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against? The real problem is that consumers have only the CableCo and TelCo as options for purchasing internet. The government instead of regulating should encourage competition in the free market. WISPs are one such competitor. WISPs are prevented by laws of Electromagnetism and Communications to direct compete with CableCo and TelCo for most customers, so this argument actually justifies Title II treatment since CableCo and TelCo are the only ones most US citizens can choose from. Rubens ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?
I can't imagine why anyone other than a blind consumer would love it. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Drew Lentz" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:49:20 AM Subject: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against? I put up a quick poll, results will be shared and are anonymous. https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3R6YTH9 I'm curious to see what the percentages are between those that support and those that don't support the Title II argument. I've been trying to get a good feel for who would and wouldn't like it (mostly it seems carriers love it, web services hate it.) I have a feeling WISPs might be on the "hate it" side, but I'm interested to find out. Thanks for your answer and have a fantastic day! -d ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Need Java 7
Java's web site? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "~NGL~" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 7:53:47 PM Subject: [WISPA] Need Java 7 I need a ecutable copy of Java 7 for XP. I cannot find one on the net. It has to be a offline version Anyone have one to share or know where to get one let me know off line. n...@ngl.net Thanx NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw
Hell, you could use an SXT and go as high as you want. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Fred Goldstein" To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:07:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw On 11/13/2014 1:26 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Higher gain,lower power works best,in almost any situation. But not necessarily in-home. Higher gain only comes from a more directive antenna. An "omni" gain antenna has a pancake pattern. If it's a one-story building, fine. But I ran into the opposite situation -- at my house, the AP is in the basement, and WiFi reception was poor on the second floor. So I ended up getting one of MikroTik's 951 high-power routers, and pump out maybe +21 (not its maximum -- I sit near it too much), and it reaches the upstairs much better than the lower-powered 951 (+17, maybe, with a tailwind) could do. And I've run into a lot of other people having trouble with whole-house coverage using standard-power WiFi APs. Sure, the laptop or cell phone won't have much power in it, but in general the upstream signal gets through okay. On Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:15 PM, Colton Conor wrote: We are comparing multiple SOHO routers and modems that have the same Broadcom chipsets. All of them have 802.11N 2x2 configuration. The only differences between them are if they have internal or external antennas and the gain of the antennas (either 2, 3, or 5dbi ratings). In addition, some sell a high powered wifi radio (400mw) while others have the basic (100mw). How much a difference does each of these hardware features make in overall wifi performance? -- Fred R. Goldstein k1iofred "at" interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] chilly tower climb
Ski goggles that are glasses friendly? :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 7:30:50 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] chilly tower climb What if you wear glasses? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Justin Wilson < li...@mtin.net > wrote: Get some ski goggles. Keep your eyes warm and your body won’t be so cold. Proven scientific fact. Justin -- Justin Wilson < j...@mtin.net > http://www.mtin.net Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics http://www.midwest-ix.com Peering – Transit – Internet Exchange From: Marco Coelho < coelh...@gmail.com > Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 at 6:15 PM To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > Subject: [WISPA] chilly tower climb Amazing how much faster I climb when it's cold outside! -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] "FCC Confirms Delay of New Net Neutrality Rules Until 2015"
Who is they? I think the only person that really would have an issue with this is Josh Reynolds up in Alaska... and I'm not even sure that would happen. Too much competition in the transit world for that ever to be an issue. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Tim Kerns" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 9:29:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] "FCC Confirms Delay of New Net Neutrality Rules Until 2015" Don't you think they will throttle us also... Make us pay for fast lane just like their other customers... only worst for us.. think ESPN Don't misunderstand me... I don't like the net neutrality as its being proposed, but I also don't want some services favored over others and forced to pay more the get them equal. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 4:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] "FCC Confirms Delay of New Net Neutrality Rules Until 2015" Is there any more information on what exactly the FCC is proposing to propose? I know there was Title II thrown around How would that impact us, or any other carrier? Net neutrality is about giving all packets equal access -- if I already do that, do I have anything to fear? I for one would love to see Net neutrality fall on its face, the big ISPs start throtteling traffic, and just have customers driven to us little guys who don't throttle. On 11/11/14, 8:33 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > from: > http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/11/11/2345213/fcc-confirms-delay-of-new-net-neutrality-rules-until-2015 > > > "/The Federal Communications Commission will abandon > <http://www.dailydot.com/politics/net-neutrality-fcc-tom-wheeler-delayed-obama/> > > its earlier > promise > <https://www.fcc.gov/blog/setting-record-straight-fcc-s-open-internet-rules> > to > make a decision on new net neutrality rules this year. Instead, FCC > Press Secretary Kim Hart said, "there will not be a vote on open > internet rules on the December meeting agenda. That would mean rules > would now be finalized in 2015." The FCC's confirmation of the delay > came just as President Barack Obama launched a campaign > <http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/11/10/statement-president-net-neutrality> > > to > persuade the agency to reclassify broadband Internet service as a public > utility./Opensource.com is also running an interview with a legal > advisor at the FCC > <http://opensource.com/government/14/11/fcc-advisor-talks-net-neutrality>. > He says, "There will be a burden on providers. The question is, 'Is that > burden justified?' And I think our answer is 'Yes.'"" > -- > > Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer > SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com> > > > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off
Nobody wants a phone call. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:37:42 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off He wants a phone call... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Tim Way < t...@way.vg > wrote: Using a UPS that maintains Internet access it can be setup to send an SNMP trap that a monitoring system (ZenOSS/SolarWinss/etc) can generate an EMAIL or text message from. On Nov 10, 2014 9:21 AM, "OOLLC-Support" < supp...@oregononline.net > wrote: Does anyone have a simple solution for when the circuit-breaker gets kicked? I would very much like to have the system call me on the phone to let me know when the server has lost power. Does anyone have a cheap way to solve this? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??
Would going to a DC site with a fixed output voltage fix this? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Gino Villarini" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 8:30:09 AM Subject: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator?? We are having some issues lately on a couple of sites. AC mains is dropping below 90 vac, anyone recommends a good Voltage Regulator? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.
It's only a concern if they're manually writing checks. Auto-pay that shit! ;-) (As this is public... I'm obviously JK.) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Matt Hoppes" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 1:15:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating. If my subscribers homes are underwater their internet is the least of my worries. Ok. I'm playing hardball - but seriously. Sell us on why having a waterproof CPE is necessary? On Nov 8, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Patrick Leary < patrick.le...@telrad.com > wrote: ...links have 2 sides - Patrick From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 9:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating. My towers do not flood 80 feet in the air. On Nov 7, 2014, at 9:22 PM, Patrick Leary < patrick.le...@telrad.com > wrote: Conversations over the past several weeks make clear many are not aware of the meaning of the environmental specifications, in particular the IP rating. It matters, as the nature of your environment informs you about the gear you need to use. Do you have broad temperature swings? Thermal expansion can cause cracking around connector housings in some levels of gear. Ice storms? Nothing exploits a crack like freezing water. Operate near the desert? Dust protection matters. Near the coast? Salt is highly corrosive. Are you complaining about water getting into your boxes? If you don't know the IP rating, you really can't complain becuase you may be using the gear beyond its specs. As in the law, ignorance is no defense, so in the interest of dispelling ignorance, here's a quick tutorial on the "IP rating." First, it's not sequential. I mean, the two digits have no relation to each other. In that sense it is NOT a number: IP55 does not mean IP "fifty-five," but rather is more appropriately thought of as IP "five five." Come again?!? Well, the first number refers to protection level from particulate matter -- solids -- like dust and sand. The second number deals with protection from liquid incursion. (There can be a third number, usually left out, that deals with mechanical tolerance.) In any event, here's the key to crack the code: Know the rating of your equipment, at both ends. Environmental truck rolls are almost 100% avoidable. Environmental failure at the base station impacts the whole sector. Failures at the CPE level can cause repeated truck rolls and is a time sink trying to identify root cause before the truck rolls. Outdoor devices with a first digit of 5 or less, will take in dust. Similarly, anything with a second number of 6 or below will take on water because it was not designed not to. These are consequential specifications. You'd better believe your telco or cable competition has minimum environmental requirements as a rule. Are you any less serious a player in your market? Control those variables within your control. Regards, Patrick Leary National Sales Director | Telrad Networks Ltd . M 727.501.3735 | Skype pleary See us on This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Anyone serving Pompey NY? PR for WISPA
In their defense, in some areas, it is quite a bitch to cross a road. A nearby county requires steel conduit 6' below the road surface, only perpendicular, etc. etc. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Mike Lyon" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 11:15:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone serving Pompey NY? PR for WISPA Yeah, it is pathetic. On Nov 8, 2014 8:39 AM, "John Thomas" < jtho...@quarnet.com > wrote: And I know someone in San Ramon that the business complex is across the street from Comcast. They want $10,000 to cross the street. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Mike Lyon < mike.l...@gmail.com > wrote: That would be awesome if someone could shoot him a wireless link. Though, i have customers out here in silicon valley where Comcast has quoted them $120k in construction costs to pull coax a single mile up a road... -Mike On Nov 7, 2014 9:13 AM, "Gino Villarini" < g...@aeronetpr.com > wrote: This would be a huge PR stunt foe WISPs and WISPA! Lets give this guy free service for couple of months! http://consumerist.com/2014/11/06/time-warner-wants-2-to-connect-rural-customer-to-broadband/? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Anyone serving Pompey NY? PR for WISPA
WISPA Member http://www.cnywireless.com/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Gino Villarini" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 7:28:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Anyone serving Pompey NY? PR for WISPA This would be a huge PR stunt foe WISPs and WISPA! Lets give this guy free service for couple of months! http://consumerist.com/2014/11/06/time-warner-wants-2-to-connect-rural-customer-to-broadband/? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.
Better use the connection while you can to bring up Noah's designs. BTW: Thanks for the post, Patrick! ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Tim Way" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 8:46:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating. Rather you hope the don't. I don't think you will be worried out network access if that were to happen though lol On Nov 7, 2014 8:36 PM, "Matt Hoppes" < mhop...@indigowireless.com > wrote: My towers do not flood 80 feet in the air. On Nov 7, 2014, at 9:22 PM, Patrick Leary < patrick.le...@telrad.com > wrote: Conversations over the past several weeks make clear many are not aware of the meaning of the environmental specifications, in particular the IP rating. It matters, as the nature of your environment informs you about the gear you need to use. Do you have broad temperature swings? Thermal expansion can cause cracking around connector housings in some levels of gear. Ice storms? Nothing exploits a crack like freezing water. Operate near the desert? Dust protection matters. Near the coast? Salt is highly corrosive. Are you complaining about water getting into your boxes? If you don't know the IP rating, you really can't complain becuase you may be using the gear beyond its specs. As in the law, ignorance is no defense, so in the interest of dispelling ignorance, here's a quick tutorial on the "IP rating." First, it's not sequential. I mean, the two digits have no relation to each other. In that sense it is NOT a number: IP55 does not mean IP "fifty-five," but rather is more appropriately thought of as IP "five five." Come again?!? Well, the first number refers to protection level from particulate matter -- solids -- like dust and sand. The second number deals with protection from liquid incursion. (There can be a third number, usually left out, that deals with mechanical tolerance.) In any event, here's the key to crack the code: Know the rating of your equipment, at both ends. Environmental truck rolls are almost 100% avoidable. Environmental failure at the base station impacts the whole sector. Failures at the CPE level can cause repeated truck rolls and is a time sink trying to identify root cause before the truck rolls. Outdoor devices with a first digit of 5 or less, will take in dust. Similarly, anything with a second number of 6 or below will take on water because it was not designed not to. These are consequential specifications. You'd better believe your telco or cable competition has minimum environmental requirements as a rule. Are you any less serious a player in your market? Control those variables within your control. Regards, Patrick Leary National Sales Director | Telrad Networks Ltd . M 727.501.3735 | Skype pleary See us on This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Source for used Smart UPS XL
I got some from (I think) Coastal Business Machines... somewhere near New Jersey. It's been a while. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:11:28 AM Subject: [WISPA] Source for used Smart UPS XL Looking for another rack mountable unit and I want to throw in some bigger batteries. The old unit just doesn't have the battery capacity and I'm afraid of asking too much of the little charger. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik AC for PtP
None are DFS certified, therefore I won't use any of them. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Chris Fabien" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 3:01:40 PM Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik AC for PtP Ordered a couple of the NetMetal5 which have the RB/922UAGS-5HPacD in them. Anyone used these yet? Is there a version of RouterOS known to work well? Are they stable yet software wise on the AC stuff? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product
So if they're that old... how many toolbars are using up how much bandwidth on your network? http://www.gamereplays.org/community/uploads/post-98762-1215487350.jpg ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Reynolds" To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 6:10:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product Most of our clients are on computers that are like 8+ year old desktop pcs running windows XP and win98. :/ I looked at our traffic to apple servers and it's something like 1.5% (via IPOQUE). Apple caching is probably more important in some areas than others. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/30/2014 01:40 PM, Paul Conlin wrote: Because management of Apple iOS updates is one big thing that Procera can do to help optimize a WISPs network. But if you are running a low cost low overhead Apple update caching server you could very easily do this without an expensive Procera box. PC Blaze Broadband On October 30, 2014 5:33:59 PM EDT, Josh Reynolds wrote: Quick question, Maybe I missed something, but how did we go from traffic shaping and DPI devices to something that does caching for apple stuff? T hose are two entirely different classes of products. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/30/2014 01:30 PM, Chris Wright wrote: It can work on networks not behind a NAT. http://help.apple.com/serverapp/mac/4.0/#/apd6015d9573 Chris Wright Velociter Wireless From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product Okay, so it would be for networks behind a NAT. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:22:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product Disregard my “AFAIK” answer. This is the real answer per http://www.nbalonso.com/os-x-server-caching/ “ The cache server registers online with Apple and provides it’s public IP, your servers local IP, internal DNS name? (not sure of the dns)” Chris Wright Velociter Wireless From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product I couldn't see how other people are supposed to know you have one of these caches running. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:10:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product OSX Server is a $19.99 add-on to OSX Yosemite. You can virtualize OSX in ESXi (of course it won’t be supported by Apple unless it’s Apple hardware.) Chris Wright Velociter Wireless From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Paul Conlin Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product Unless the caching server is free. Under what conditions does Apple put one of these in? PC Blaze Broadband On October 28, 2014 1:41:41 PM EDT, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: I don't think many people care about caching servers in this regard. The issue isn't the upstream pipe filling up, it's all the APs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Timothy Way < t...@way.lc > wrote: For those that are unaware of it you should take a look at Apple's Caching Server 2. It is pretty cool, it provides Apple software updates, iTunes content and basically anything Apple in a local cache that is transparent to the client. Apple looks at the source IP of the device asking for content and tells it to hit the local IP of your caching server. My day job is a Network Administrator at a technical college. This has prevented the "APPLE DAYS OF DOOM" when they release updates in regards to our open (public) wireless network. Tim Way On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Paolo Di Francesco < paolo.difrance...@level7.it > wrote: Hello, it depends on what you want/can achieve and how much bandwidth you have (and the experince you want to give to the users) In few words: those boxes do not invent bandwidth they (all) try to improve how you manage it. So those bo
Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product
http://bit.ly/1G0aJzk - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Reynolds" To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:33:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product Quick question, Maybe I missed something, but how did we go from traffic shaping and DPI devices to something that does caching for apple stuff? T hose are two entirely different classes of products. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/30/2014 01:30 PM, Chris Wright wrote: It can work on networks not behind a NAT. http://help.apple.com/serverapp/mac/4.0/#/apd6015d9573 Chris Wright Velociter Wireless From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product Okay, so it would be for networks behind a NAT. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:22:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product Disregard my “AFAIK” answer. This is the real answer per http://www.nbalonso.com/os-x-server-caching/ “ The cache server registers online with Apple and provides it’s public IP, your servers local IP, internal DNS name? (not sure of the dns)” Chris Wright Velociter Wireless From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product I couldn't see how other people are supposed to know you have one of these caches running. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:10:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product OSX Server is a $19.99 add-on to OSX Yosemite. You can virtualize OSX in ESXi (of course it won’t be supported by Apple unless it’s Apple hardware.) Chris Wright Velociter Wireless From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Paul Conlin Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product Unless the caching server is free. Under what conditions does Apple put one of these in? PC Blaze Broadband On October 28, 2014 1:41:41 PM EDT, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: I don't think many people care about caching servers in this regard. The issue isn't the upstream pipe filling up, it's all the APs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Timothy Way < t...@way.lc > wrote: For those that are unaware of it you should take a look at Apple's Caching Server 2. It is pretty cool, it provides Apple software updates, iTunes content and basically anything Apple in a local cache that is transparent to the client. Apple looks at the source IP of the device asking for content and tells it to hit the local IP of your caching server. My day job is a Network Administrator at a technical college. This has prevented the "APPLE DAYS OF DOOM" when they release updates in regards to our open (public) wireless network. Tim Way On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Paolo Di Francesco < paolo.difrance...@level7.it > wrote: Hello, it depends on what you want/can achieve and how much bandwidth you have (and the experince you want to give to the users) In few words: those boxes do not invent bandwidth they (all) try to improve how you manage it. So those boxes are managing the bandwidth with their policies that could or could not fit your policies. Some simple tricks will help you to move the traffic locally (e.g. Implementing local web-caching, local DNS, etc) but for sure you have to work on the infrastructure to optimize the traffic. The nice thing, in that case, is that you will be more aware of what your users are doing and how to make them happy; the bad part of the story is that you have to spend time (or consultants) to get it. For the hardware, many are using Mikrotik CCR or even slower/cheaper Mikrotik models. For sure investing more in infrastructure will help a lot :) Just my 2 cents > Having used Allot NetEnforcer for years, then moved to Exinda for > years, we are now considering removing bandwidth managers altogether > and relying solely on policing on radios, QoS polic
Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product
Okay, so it would be for networks behind a NAT. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Chris Wright" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:22:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product Disregard my “AFAIK” answer. This is the real answer per http://www.nbalonso.com/os-x-server-caching/ “ The cache server registers online with Apple and provides it’s public IP, your servers local IP, internal DNS name? (not sure of the dns)” Chris Wright Velociter Wireless From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product I couldn't see how other people are supposed to know you have one of these caches running. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:10:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product OSX Server is a $19.99 add-on to OSX Yosemite. You can virtualize OSX in ESXi (of course it won’t be supported by Apple unless it’s Apple hardware.) Chris Wright Velociter Wireless From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Paul Conlin Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product Unless the caching server is free. Under what conditions does Apple put one of these in? PC Blaze Broadband On October 28, 2014 1:41:41 PM EDT, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: I don't think many people care about caching servers in this regard. The issue isn't the upstream pipe filling up, it's all the APs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Timothy Way < t...@way.lc > wrote: For those that are unaware of it you should take a look at Apple's Caching Server 2. It is pretty cool, it provides Apple software updates, iTunes content and basically anything Apple in a local cache that is transparent to the client. Apple looks at the source IP of the device asking for content and tells it to hit the local IP of your caching server. My day job is a Network Administrator at a technical college. This has prevented the "APPLE DAYS OF DOOM" when they release updates in regards to our open (public) wireless network. Tim Way On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Paolo Di Francesco < paolo.difrance...@level7.it > wrote: Hello, it depends on what you want/can achieve and how much bandwidth you have (and the experince you want to give to the users) In few words: those boxes do not invent bandwidth they (all) try to improve how you manage it. So those boxes are managing the bandwidth with their policies that could or could not fit your policies. Some simple tricks will help you to move the traffic locally (e.g. Implementing local web-caching, local DNS, etc) but for sure you have to work on the infrastructure to optimize the traffic. The nice thing, in that case, is that you will be more aware of what your users are doing and how to make them happy; the bad part of the story is that you have to spend time (or consultants) to get it. For the hardware, many are using Mikrotik CCR or even slower/cheaper Mikrotik models. For sure investing more in infrastructure will help a lot :) Just my 2 cents > Having used Allot NetEnforcer for years, then moved to Exinda for > years, we are now considering removing bandwidth managers altogether > and relying solely on policing on radios, QoS policies on core routers > & layer 3 switches, and monitoring flows using Netflow. > > More work, but much less $$. Allows us to invest in infrastructure > rather than extraordinarily expensive bandwidth management devices. > > *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] > *On Behalf Of *Larry A. Weidig > *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 10:17 PM > *To:* WISPA General List > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product > > Very interesting, thanks for the lead. Seems they have a product and a > library available. Have contacted them for additional information. > > > > Larry A. Weidig ( lwei...@excel.net ) > Excel.Net, Inc. – http://www.excel.net/ > (920) 452-0455 – Sheboygan/Plymouth area > (888) 489-9995 – Other areas, toll-free > >
Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product
I couldn't see how other people are supposed to know you have one of these caches running. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Chris Wright" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:10:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product OSX Server is a $19.99 add-on to OSX Yosemite. You can virtualize OSX in ESXi (of course it won’t be supported by Apple unless it’s Apple hardware.) Chris Wright Velociter Wireless From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Conlin Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product Unless the caching server is free. Under what conditions does Apple put one of these in? PC Blaze Broadband On October 28, 2014 1:41:41 PM EDT, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: I don't think many people care about caching servers in this regard. The issue isn't the upstream pipe filling up, it's all the APs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Timothy Way < t...@way.lc > wrote: For those that are unaware of it you should take a look at Apple's Caching Server 2. It is pretty cool, it provides Apple software updates, iTunes content and basically anything Apple in a local cache that is transparent to the client. Apple looks at the source IP of the device asking for content and tells it to hit the local IP of your caching server. My day job is a Network Administrator at a technical college. This has prevented the "APPLE DAYS OF DOOM" when they release updates in regards to our open (public) wireless network. Tim Way On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Paolo Di Francesco < paolo.difrance...@level7.it > wrote: Hello, it depends on what you want/can achieve and how much bandwidth you have (and the experince you want to give to the users) In few words: those boxes do not invent bandwidth they (all) try to improve how you manage it. So those boxes are managing the bandwidth with their policies that could or could not fit your policies. Some simple tricks will help you to move the traffic locally (e.g. Implementing local web-caching, local DNS, etc) but for sure you have to work on the infrastructure to optimize the traffic. The nice thing, in that case, is that you will be more aware of what your users are doing and how to make them happy; the bad part of the story is that you have to spend time (or consultants) to get it. For the hardware, many are using Mikrotik CCR or even slower/cheaper Mikrotik models. For sure investing more in infrastructure will help a lot :) Just my 2 cents > Having used Allot NetEnforcer for years, then moved to Exinda for > years, we are now considering removing bandwidth managers altogether > and relying solely on policing on radios, QoS policies on core routers > & layer 3 switches, and monitoring flows using Netflow. > > More work, but much less $$. Allows us to invest in infrastructure > rather than extraordinarily expensive bandwidth management devices. > > *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] > *On Behalf Of *Larry A. Weidig > *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 10:17 PM > *To:* WISPA General List > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product > > Very interesting, thanks for the lead. Seems they have a product and a > library available. Have contacted them for additional information. > > > > Larry A. Weidig ( lwei...@excel.net ) > Excel.Net, Inc. – http://www.excel.net/ > (920) 452-0455 – Sheboygan/Plymouth area > (888) 489-9995 – Other areas, toll-free > > > > *From: *"Josh Reynolds" < j...@spitwspots.com > > *To: * wireless@wispa.org > *Sent: *Friday, October 24, 2014 7:15:20 PM > *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product > > should check out ipoque and their PACE engine > > Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer > SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com < http://www.spitwspots.com > > > On 10/24/2014 03:40 PM, Larry A. Weidig wrote: > > We have done some searching in this arena and have only found a > couple of what seem to be similar products available: > > Allot Communications - NetEnforcer (does a lot, costs a lot so > they live up to their name :) ) > > Netaxcel - Found it, did not dig far into it > > NetEqualizer - Reasonable, but not as featured as Procera / Allot > > Eme
Re: [WISPA] Ruckus launches Small Biz WiFI solution spin off Xclaim Wireless
Now will we see Ruckus quality\features at Ubiquiti prices? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Gino Villarini" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 7:24:02 AM Subject: [WISPA] Ruckus launches Small Biz WiFI solution spin off Xclaim Wireless New player vs UBNT Outdoor 11AC AP for $299 http://www.xclaimwireless.com/ Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] here comes 100 Gpon
Stolen from? :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Gino Villarini" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 8:58:42 AM Subject: [WISPA] here comes 100 Gpon http://bbpmag.com/wordpress2/2014/10/huawei-announces-100g-pon-optical-access-technology/ Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio
Once you're outside of the AF and Trango 24s, the pricing gets similar. Check Siklu. Baltic, Winncom and others carry them. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Bryce Duchcherer" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 2:39:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio Is the SAF that small? The only specs I see are 9” but I think that may be just the radio itself, but I am not sure. 60GHz may work, but price is also a concern. Bryce D NETAGO From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 13:17 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio Saf free mile is small, maybe a 6” antenna Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Bryce Duchcherer < bduc...@netago.ca > Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > Date: Thursday, October 23, 2014 at 3:00 PM To: "WISPA General List ( wireless@wispa.org )" < wireless@wispa.org > Subject: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio Does anybody know of a 24GHz radio that is smaller than 1’? It doesn’t have to go very far, but we are wanting 24GHz. Bryce D NETAGO ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio
I'm not sure many are. If a short range, why not 60 GHz? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Bryce Duchcherer" To: "WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org)" Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 2:00:07 PM Subject: [WISPA] small 24GHz radio Does anybody know of a 24GHz radio that is smaller than 1’? It doesn’t have to go very far, but we are wanting 24GHz. Bryce D NETAGO ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 32 Cities Want To Challenge Big Telecom, Build Their Own Gigabit Networks
Don't you know that Slashdot is bad for your health. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Reynolds" To: "WISPA General List" , a...@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 2:51:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] 32 Cities Want To Challenge Big Telecom, Build Their Own Gigabit Networks http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/10/21/0018201/32-cities-want-to-challenge-big-telecom-build-their-own-gigabit-networks -- Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 32 Cities Want To Challenge Big Telecom, Build Their Own Gigabit Networks
32 cities don't have a clue as to what it actually costs to do this. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Reynolds" To: "WISPA General List" , a...@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 2:51:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] 32 Cities Want To Challenge Big Telecom, Build Their Own Gigabit Networks http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/10/21/0018201/32-cities-want-to-challenge-big-telecom-build-their-own-gigabit-networks -- Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] FCC NOI for Cellular 24GHz (and a note about 5GHz...)
I suspect that would only be used in small cells. It would be useless at the macro level, even with various smart antenna techniques. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Reynolds" To: "WISPA General List" , a...@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 5:50:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] FCC NOI for Cellular 24GHz (and a note about 5GHz...) http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/10/19/34/gigabit-cellular-networks-could-happen-with-24ghz-spectrum -- Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] security certificate
My multi-year wildcard was under $300 total. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 11:11:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] security certificate Few hundred? I remember them being crazy expensive. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 19, 2014 10:08 AM, "John Thomas" < jtho...@quarnet.com > wrote: Or you can buy a wildcard for a few hundred dollars and use it on all your devices. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: Pay for a certified SSL cert for each host. That's 50/device/year. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 17, 2014 5:43 PM, "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: Ignore it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "~NGL~" < n...@ngl.net > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 7:18:08 PM Subject: [WISPA] security certificate There is a problem with this website's security certificate. How do I correct this problem? I get this almost every time I log in to a Ubiquiti radio. NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] security certificate
Ignore it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "~NGL~" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 7:18:08 PM Subject: [WISPA] security certificate There is a problem with this website's security certificate. How do I correct this problem? I get this almost every time I log in to a Ubiquiti radio. NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Vegas ... anyone not staying at South Pointe?
Oh, lol, no. This is the public list, so I didn't want to be too specific. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Adair Winter" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 9:15:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vegas ... anyone not staying at South Pointe? I think he meant Mike Tyson On Oct 11, 2014 8:21 AM, "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: I'll be at the South Pointe. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Gino Villarini" < g...@aeronetpr.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 11:26:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vegas ... anyone not staying at South Pointe? Mike? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > Date: Friday, October 10, 2014 at 11:55 PM To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vegas ... anyone not staying at South Pointe? Tyson is at the MGM. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Gino Villarini" < g...@aeronetpr.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 10:46:17 PM Subject: [WISPA] Vegas ... anyone not staying at South Pointe? ??? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Vegas ... anyone not staying at South Pointe?
I'll be at the South Pointe. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Gino Villarini" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 11:26:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vegas ... anyone not staying at South Pointe? Mike? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > Date: Friday, October 10, 2014 at 11:55 PM To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vegas ... anyone not staying at South Pointe? Tyson is at the MGM. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Gino Villarini" < g...@aeronetpr.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 10:46:17 PM Subject: [WISPA] Vegas ... anyone not staying at South Pointe? ??? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Vegas ... anyone not staying at South Pointe?
Tyson is at the MGM. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Gino Villarini" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 10:46:17 PM Subject: [WISPA] Vegas ... anyone not staying at South Pointe? ??? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Cambium OEMs Ceragon for PTP
No clue if this is true in this case, but possibilities include software enhancements, different interfaces, different form factors, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Matt Hoppes" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 7:57:51 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cambium OEMs Ceragon for PTP Interesting. I've never understood this. Why would I buy the Cambium product instead of the Ceragon product? On Oct 7, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Gino Villarini < g...@aeronetpr.com > wrote: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/ptp/ptp-820 NO mention of Mimo though.. Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Wifi Outdoor Cams
I could see why some would want it, but it was a useless feature to me. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Ryan McKenzie" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 9:26:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wifi Outdoor Cams Chris, Wow that is good info. I had no idea they had removed the RTSP. And I was just about to spec UBNT cams in a project using RTSP. Have you found a good alternative? Someone else in this thread mentioned Arecont cams. Are they cheap and provide RTSP? Thanks, Ryan McKenzie 385-215-WIFI On 9/25/14, 10:34 PM, Chris Ruschmann wrote: The newer UVC cams apparently don't have it at all. And the aircam beta is currently set to remove it for good. So your good if you never update. But what do you do if you need another or RMA? SOL I guess... I started a thread in the beta forums and called on UBNT to answer for there crime and got crickets. sent from my phone! On Sep 25, 2014 8:18 PM, "Blair Davis" < the...@wmwisp.net > wrote: Do you know what firmware version lost RSTP? Can the newer cams be rolled back to the old firmware or do I need to return them to my supplier? If I can't do RSTP directly from the cam, they are mostly useless to me. -- On 9/25/2014 5:57 PM, Chris Ruschmann wrote: Be careful with UBNT cameras now. They are/have disabled RSTP completly. So what you have to do now is backhaul your feed to a Unifi Video server then get your RTSP stream from there. It changed the game in how we are going to be doing cameras now as we were taking RTSP streams selectively and directly from the camera when we wanted the info so we didn’t have to waste 5Mbps per stream at all times to our head ends. Plus they will only work with Unifi Video which is lame as well. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of LTI - Dennis Burgess Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 1:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wifi Outdoor Cams We use UBNT cameras and MT backhauls, SXTs are cheap: ) On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 3:54 PM, TJ Trout < t...@pcguys.us > wrote: I use geovision IP cameras, they work great but no wifi options. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Gino Villarini < g...@aeronetpr.com > wrote: Got a project that requires 10-12 outdoor cams, prefer wifi units so we can backhaul them in 5 ghz Any ideas? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Author of " Learn RouterOS- Second Edition ” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office : 314-735-0270 Website : http://www.linktechs.net – Skype : linktechs -- Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com – 900Mhz – LTE – 3G – 3.65 – TV Whitespace ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- West Michigan Wireless ISP Allegan, Michigan 49010 269-686-8648 A Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Wifi Outdoor Cams
The cameras will do motion detect on the camera. As it saves server load, I assume it saves network load as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Chris Ruschmann" To: gmsm...@gmail.com, "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:57:50 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wifi Outdoor Cams Be careful with UBNT cameras now. They are/have disabled RSTP completly. So what you have to do now is backhaul your feed to a Unifi Video server then get your RTSP stream from there. It changed the game in how we are going to be doing cameras now as we were taking RTSP streams selectively and directly from the camera when we wanted the info so we didn’t have to waste 5Mbps per stream at all times to our head ends. Plus they will only work with Unifi Video which is lame as well. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of LTI - Dennis Burgess Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 1:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wifi Outdoor Cams We use UBNT cameras and MT backhauls, SXTs are cheap: ) On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 3:54 PM, TJ Trout < t...@pcguys.us > wrote: I use geovision IP cameras, they work great but no wifi options. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Gino Villarini < g...@aeronetpr.com > wrote: Got a project that requires 10-12 outdoor cams, prefer wifi units so we can backhaul them in 5 ghz Any ideas? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Author of " Learn RouterOS- Second Edition ” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office : 314-735-0270 Website : http://www.linktechs.net – Skype : linktechs -- Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com – 900Mhz – LTE – 3G – 3.65 – TV Whitespace ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas
Yeah, most of my towers aren't going anywhere unless hit directly by a tornado. Even most of the ones that aren't that strong are still decent. That's part of why I cringe when I hear of people using much less than Rohn 65 for towers. Ya just can't put enough useful stuff up there. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Reynolds" To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 5:59:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas We avoid sissy towers :P Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 08/28/2014 02:48 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Not so simple - massive wind load increase. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 28, 2014 6:40 PM, "Josh Reynolds" < j...@spitwspots.com > wrote: Surprised more antenna manufacturers aren't using that "one simple trick to increase your by several " :) Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 08/28/2014 02:06 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: It is hard to beat 1/4" of aluminum. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Josh Reynolds" To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 4:12:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas I have seen the reports from various people doing direct comparison of signal levels on the tower between kp/ubnt+rfarmor. The ubnt+rfarmor won in the isolation test, by far. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 08/28/2014 01:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: You don't need shield kits, they ship with a metal case to go around a Rocket. It's just one part instead of two. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 28, 2014 5:04 PM, "Josh Reynolds" < j...@spitwspots.com > wrote: To be honest, I've never used a KP antenna. I've heard about them, but we could never use them. No shield kit makes them unusable to us. The regular unbiquiti antennas with Chris's shield kits make pretty much everything else obsolete, except for 45-120deg Ti sectors with RF Armor. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 08/28/2014 06:47 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: KP hands down. Better antennas. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 28, 2014 10:29 AM, "Sam" < w...@csilogan.com > wrote: That's a great point. Thank you Andy. How about differences in performance between the two? Big difference? Negligible? Thanks Sam On 8/28/2014 09:18, Andy Trimmell wrote: > I think the big plus with the KP antennas is they come with a cover for > the rocket. You'll have to buy a RF Elements cover if you're using stock > Rockets with stock UBNT antennas. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On > Behalf Of Sam > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:29 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas > > I am hoping to find someone who has used both UBNT and KP Performance > antennas (with Rockets) who would be willing to share their experiences > of one vs the other. For this project I'm specifically looking at 13 dBi > omni antennas, but am curious about how the sector antennas compare as > well. > > Thanks > Sam > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas
It is hard to beat 1/4" of aluminum. ;-) ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Reynolds" To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 4:12:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas I have seen the reports from various people doing direct comparison of signal levels on the tower between kp/ubnt+rfarmor. The ubnt+rfarmor won in the isolation test, by far. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 08/28/2014 01:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: You don't need shield kits, they ship with a metal case to go around a Rocket. It's just one part instead of two. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 28, 2014 5:04 PM, "Josh Reynolds" < j...@spitwspots.com > wrote: To be honest, I've never used a KP antenna. I've heard about them, but we could never use them. No shield kit makes them unusable to us. The regular unbiquiti antennas with Chris's shield kits make pretty much everything else obsolete, except for 45-120deg Ti sectors with RF Armor. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 08/28/2014 06:47 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: KP hands down. Better antennas. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 28, 2014 10:29 AM, "Sam" < w...@csilogan.com > wrote: That's a great point. Thank you Andy. How about differences in performance between the two? Big difference? Negligible? Thanks Sam On 8/28/2014 09:18, Andy Trimmell wrote: > I think the big plus with the KP antennas is they come with a cover for > the rocket. You'll have to buy a RF Elements cover if you're using stock > Rockets with stock UBNT antennas. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On > Behalf Of Sam > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:29 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas > > I am hoping to find someone who has used both UBNT and KP Performance > antennas (with Rockets) who would be willing to share their experiences > of one vs the other. For this project I'm specifically looking at 13 dBi > omni antennas, but am curious about how the sector antennas compare as > well. > > Thanks > Sam > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas
That is of course assuming that you don't get it the day you need it. ;-) ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Randy Cosby" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 3:30:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas Just open up all boxes and check all your parts before you go out. Nuts. Brackets. Cables. I've never had a problem with missing parts on UBNT sectors. On 8/28/2014 2:07 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: Not only should you have spares, you should also make sure you have the right parts before you go to the job... even if you do have the right parts, it's still a nuisance to deal with getting sent the wrong stuff... it can happen with anything though - for instance, I once got sent a 5ghz UBNT omni instead of 2.4ghz... I'm pretty sure I would've been better off with the wrong pigtails ;-) From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf of Jim Patient [ jpati...@linktechs.net ] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 3:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas If you get out to the job and don't have the right pigtail because the vendor didn't ship the right one, it's not the vendors fault. You should have several spares of every flavor in your truck. If not, it's a safe bet Murphy will show up throwing his laws around :-) Jim Patient Office: 314-735-0270 linktechs.net towercoverage.com ispradio.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 2:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas Which is a problem when they ship you N male to N male by mistake... =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Matt Brendle < mattagator.mailingli...@gmail.com > wrote: KPP if for nothing else it comes with better jumpers. KPP has N connectors on antenna and jumper to match up to RP-SMA on Rocket. YMMV -Matt From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 12:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas Same radios but I had the opposite experience. I had one at -35, maybe the RF armor requires both of those dumb machine screws to work. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Greg Osborn < gregwosb...@gmail.com > wrote: UBNT to KPP straight up, kpp. UBNT with armor vs KPP, we prefer UBNT because of the extra horizontal separation required with KPP. On a grainleg platform, we've seen kpp sectors see one another at -30 or below, where UBNT see one another in the -50's. On a tower without standoffs and KPP, forget it, you will have problems. 2.4 in 10mhz cw. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 11:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas one obvious advantage with the KPP is that the connectors or all covered by the shielding, so you eliminate any potential issues with water in the connectors, and you can throw away that annoying cover on the Rocket over the ethernet port. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf of Sam [ w...@csilogan.com ] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas Mathew, these are for 2. GHz Rockets. I was wondering about the shielding as well. Unless you're in an area with a ton of interference... But as was mentioned, the KP omni with the shielding is the same price basically as the same UBNT model without it. I'm all about using stuff that's included at no additional charge :) On 8/28/2014 10:00, Mathew Howard wrote: > I haven't used any KPP omnis, but I have used several different brands of dual polarity omnis and I haven't really seen any notable difference in performance between any of them. > > Are you looking at 2.4ghz or 5ghz? > > Is there really a lot of benefit to shielding the radio with an omni? it seems somewhat pointless to me... > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] on > behalf of Sam [ w...@csilogan.com ] > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:29 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas &g
Re: [WISPA] Ticketing software
Indeed they do, I just don't have hands-on experience with them. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Scott Reed" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 11:49:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ticketing software As do most of the other billing systems that are WISPA members. On 8/17/2014 10:01 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: WISPMon does it all. No need to go anywhere else. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Brian Wilson" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2014 9:00:11 AM Subject: [WISPA] Ticketing software What are people using for customer support ticketing software? We currently use a combination of pink notes and email. (and I wish I was joking.) -- Brian Wilson CDS Wireless, Santa Rosa CA ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 4007/8052 - Release Date: 08/17/14 -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 Toll-free (855) 231-6239 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ticketing software
WISPMon does it all. No need to go anywhere else. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Brian Wilson" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2014 9:00:11 AM Subject: [WISPA] Ticketing software What are people using for customer support ticketing software? We currently use a combination of pink notes and email. (and I wish I was joking.) -- Brian Wilson CDS Wireless, Santa Rosa CA ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Download of Copyrighted Material - What do you do?
That would be funny... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Roger Howard" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 1:03:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Download of Copyrighted Material - What do you do? We should all report them as spammers to the blacklists :) On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Blake Covarrubias < bl...@beamspeed.com > wrote: We simply forward them to the customer. We wrote an in-house application to assist with managing these notices. It automatically downloads the messages, correlates the IP to a customer, and forwards the emails to the customer through our ticketing system. It comes in handy when we receive 200+ DMCA infringement notices in a single day. -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 14, 2014, at 7:48 AM, Russ Van Vlack < rvanvl...@freedomnet.com > wrote: > WISPA Colleagues, > > We are fighting the neverending battle of dealing with the IP-Echelon notices > of copyright infringement and need a more firm policy in place. Our > acceptable use policy and account terms and conditions clearly state that > these actions are illegal and/or against company policy, however we do not > have a firm course of action in place in dealing with customers in violation. > > Would anyone be willing to share what their company policy is in regards to > these notices? Especially, if you do anything further than passing the notice > on to the customer? > > Thanks. > > --Russell Van Vlack > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Where to buy Rohn 55?
The best pricing I've seen on Rohn stuff is at http://hillradio.net/, but I'd imagine the shipping is what would kill getting it to you. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Gino Villarini" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 8:34:26 AM Subject: [WISPA] Where to buy Rohn 55? Any place with great price? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers
I don't think anyone gets "deals" on Verizon. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "Justin Wilson" Cc: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:38:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers I'm looking for a few people that have deals with "multiple carriers" like Level 3, Cogent, Verizon, etc. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Justin Wilson < li...@mtin.net > wrote: I guess part of it depends on where and what. If you are going into a co-lo then ethernet is much easier to sell separate from transport. Justin -- Justin Wilson < j...@mtin.net > http://www.mtin.net Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics From: Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > Date: Monday, August 11, 2014 at 7:14 PM To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers Does anyone have some contacts? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers
That's what I did. Well, I ruled out vendors that I know what they did or their name lended itself to a certain type of service... like BillMax. Pretty sure they do billing, so I don't need to check there. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 9:24:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers I'm sure there is, however short of going through every vendor member I don't know who to look at. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 10:46 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: There's a few WISPA members that perform those services. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 6:14:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers Does anyone have some contacts? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers
There's a few WISPA members that perform those services. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 6:14:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers Does anyone have some contacts? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Cencus block to Google Earth?
This is the folder name for tracts in Illinois. Look for the same thing, but with your state's number. tl_2010_17_tract10 ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Sam Tetherow" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 12:46:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cencus block to Google Earth? Related note, does anyone know where I can get shape files for census tract? Seems like everything I find is only down to the block level. On 08/11/2014 12:02 PM, Bill Schoolfield wrote: > What specifically do you need to do? We have been working a lot in this > area for the new FCC 477 report requirements. > > Bill > > On 8/11/2014 10:24 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: >> Anyone has a way to convert files for google earth evaluation? >> >> >> >> Gino A. Villarini >> President >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >> www.aeronetpr.com >> @aeronetpr >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Wireless mailing list >> Wireless@wispa.org >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
Is bit.ly really based in Libya? It's just people being cute with CCLTDs ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, August 8, 2014 9:37:11 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Their domain is .co which is the country TLD for Columbia. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 8, 2014 10:26 AM, "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: Colombia? http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1766737.1398290195!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_1200/sofia-vergara-1998.jpg - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Friday, August 8, 2014 9:23:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Off topic, are you guys based in Columbia? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 8, 2014 10:19 AM, "Jaime Fink" < ja...@mimosa.co > wrote: Different sync settings need to be on a different channel set to avoid interference. But that does not limit the use of differing configurations beyond a single group. > On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:14 AM, "Matt Hoppes" < mhop...@indigowireless.com > > wrote: > > How does sync work if I have a 50/50 and a 75/25 radio on the same tower? > > > Matt Hoppes > Director of Information Technology > Indigo Wireless > +1 (570) 723-7312 > >> On 8/8/14, 10:12 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: >> GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the >> addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases reception, >> and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the enclosure for >> clearest reception. >> >> The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS >> high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa radios >> switch TX/RX on the GPS epoch rise and fall. >> >> TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced >> downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed >> versus latency choices. >> >> For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids >> fixing the bandwidth. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Jaime >> >> On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" < li...@wavelinc.com >> > wrote: >> >>> How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into >>> every radio or is there an external source? >>> >>> >>> Kurt Fankhauser >>> >>> Wavelinc Communications >>> >>> P.O. Box 126 >>> >>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>> >>> http://www.wavelinc.com < http://www.wavelinc.com/ > >>> >>> tel. 419-562-6405 >>> >>> fax. 419-617-0110 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes >>> < mhop...@indigowireless.com > wrote: >>> >>> I totally understand, Steve. >>> >>> What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz >>> backhauls ew. I guess we'll say. It's nice the options >>> are out >>> there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of >>> WISPs only. >>> >>> >>>> On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: >>>> Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but >>> 5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone >>> to any 5 GHz Client other than business. I have 15 towers and >>> each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy. So that is >>> 35+ Links. Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in >>> my rain zone. I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000 >>> worth of licensed backhauls. But for the price of one Licensed >>> link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever) saving >>> me $100,000 when all is said and done. >>>> >>>> Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for >>> Customer? Heck Yes!! But that is not the reality I live in. >>>> >>>> Steve Barnes >>>> General Manager >>>> PCSWIN.com < http
