RE: [WISPA] Automating Mikrotik Backups
Has anybody taken this a step further and set up some type of automated ftp or something more secure to download new updates? Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 9:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Automating Mikrotik Backups /system backup save name=MS1; /tool e-mail send to=[EMAIL PROTECTED] subject=([/system identity get name] . Backup) server=10.10.10.10 file=MS1.backup Put these in a script and schedule the script as often as you want. I have all my routers email me on Thursday night. 10.10.10.10 needs to be your mail server address. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: KyWiFi LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:28:52 -0400 Subject: [WISPA] Automating Mikrotik Backups Does Mikrotik have a method of backing up its settings like is done with the StarOS StarUtil commands? If so, what are the commands? I'm wanting to make sure we automate this much needed task with http://www.ISPBuddy.com which will allow automated nightly backups to our remote storage facility. Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky Your Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service $19.99 All Digital Satellite TV - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas === -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- End of Original Message --- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 07/21/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.4/401 - Release Date: 07/26/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] needed -karlnet-isp-base license
I had a tower get by lightning yesterday and I am in desperate need of a karlnet-isp-base-license for kn105 or ap1000 I will be at the tower site all day, so you can call my office # below if I don't respond to your email thanks Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.8/381 - Release Date: 07/03/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] DUAL BAND antennas
Are there any dual band antennas for 900mhz and 5ghz? Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Â -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/372 - Release Date: 06/21/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] ATA - SIP Adapters
Mac Thanks! Exactly what I needed! How is it going down there? Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:47 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] ATA - SIP Adapters Dan, We have bought a lot of stuff from these folks and these adapters are really highly recommended and have worked well. http://www.voipsupply.com/product_info.php?products_id=321 Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] ATA - SIP Adapters I am wondering if there are any suggestions for an ATA - SIP Adapter with 1 or 2 POTS jacks. We are running asterisk, so if you have experience with an ATA that works well with asterisk that would be great Thanks Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 06/19/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 06/20/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 06/20/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] ATA - SIP Adapters
I am wondering if there are any suggestions for an ATA - SIP Adapter with 1 or 2 POTS jacks. We are running asterisk, so if you have experience with an ATA that works well with asterisk that would be great Thanks Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 06/19/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] frame size and fps - was OT: about 70Mbps for under $ 6K
While they do an ok job w/ wireless, IMO, their strength is more the convenience coming from the integration of multiple packages and its flexibility rather than the performance of any single feature If you're looking at purely a wireless solution (in this do-it-yourself genre) -- you need to include Star-OS / Ikarus in your evaluation (but then, documentation gets a bit sparse there...) -Charles Mikrotik provides an advanced wireless solution that Star-Os /Ikarus DO NOT, in several different ways, 1st, they provide a polling solution for PTMP (nstream) and they also provide an FDX solution for PTP using Nstream2, this is all with the same hardware/radio's. 2nd, using the additional features of the L3, you can load balance across 2 radio's for a faster HDX solution ( maybe this could be done w/ star-os/ikarus, not sure) And there is more you can do by combining those 2 solutions. Dan -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 06/19/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K
We are running VoIP over a Mikrotik/NSTREAM 5Ghz OFDM solution. Actual TCP throughput is about 25Mbps, we have had over 12 VoIP across the PTMP and a PTP BH to our NOC were the VoIP service is located while providing INTERNET across. This is working with great success and Matt Liotta is providing us the internet link via a 100Mbps fiber. Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 11:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K Never tried to put that many on a tower, but then again we don't use too many towers. We've had 15 or so on a single roof before, but for the most part we never really put more than 5 radios on the same structure. We have over 100 roofs under contract, so we don't really need to load up any single roof with too many radios. -Matt Travis Johnson wrote: Matt, How do you fit more than 10-12 of those type of dedicated links on a single tower? Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: We rarely use multi-point systems for customers and when we do they are either small businesses with very little voice and data needs or they are just data customers. All of our customers with any significant amount of voice are running on dedicated radios. I would say our average customer buys 12 lines of voice and delivering that over a Canopy backhaul works just fine. -Matt Patrick Leary wrote: So you agree then that being able to do VoIP is key. I'd like to hear more about your experiences with VoIP. Is your solution actually doing it well or is that your idea of doing VoIP well is 8 only concurrent calls per sector so long as the quality is decent for those few calls? We have talked to many very users of other common 5GHz brands these past few week and we have been consistently told that performance is just dandy until you bump up against 8 calls. That is a less than 50 call per cell limit, which does not seem like enough to justify the investments needed on the NOC end for the softswitch. How do you define good VoIP performance Matt? Patrick Leary AVP Marketing Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 6:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K Patrick Leary wrote: Matt, to further your comments that you see WISPs providing layer 2 transort for carriers. We have multiple CLECs and non-CLECs buying layer 2 transport from us now. All are used to buy alternative access from fiber providers and therefore fixed wireless was a naturally next step. Further, almost all indicated they would have done it sooner, but the fixed wireless companies they approached weren't willing to offer them layer 2 transport. How about VoIP? How many of you consider VoIP to be an important part of your service future as a WISP? If so, how do you plan to support since it cannot be done decently with the other popular 5GHz solutions. That's not my opinion so much as the opinion of many larger Trango and Motorola WISPs I have been talking to lately. We are doing a significant amount of VoIP now. We have VoIP customers running on top of both Trango and Canopy radios. Canopy is a significantly better solution for VoIP since we can properly prioritize voice with Canopy, while we cannot with Trango. We also wholesale VoIP to other operators and help them --if they require it-- with getting their network ready to support VoIP. If a key goal of WISPs is growing ARPU, what are WISPs plans for doing that with whatever your current technology permits? I believe VoIP is the number one way to grow ARPU and the fact that we bundle VoIP is why I believe we have one of the highest ARPUs in the industry. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/366 - Release Date: 06/15/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/366 - Release Date: 06/15/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox
What is the beam width of the rootenna to use it as an AP?? you must have a bunch of them to get 360* coverage Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox I'm using them as ap's. I have a link that is about 8 miles @ 5.3 George N White wrote: What kind of distance are you seeing with those 5G Rootennas? And what kind of APs Antennas are you using? Just curious - we're looking at moving all new customers to 5Ghz. -Nick George Rogato wrote: Those MTI's are nice looking product. Nice price too. Have you checked out the pac wireless 5 gig rootennas yet? They are working great for me and they are cheap. George Tom DeReggi wrote: I was thinking Although legal issues involved... (so not indorsing or recommending this idea) An Atlas Fox, mounted inside a MTI 24 dbi Dual Pol antenna w/ stock radio case back, and a custom mod to bypass internal antenna and jumper to the ext antenna connectors, would be less expensive than both a base Fox5800 unit and the 5830SU, and give us 16 more additional DB, which would make it a fantastic combination for a high end business or residential CPE able to survive the noise, upgradable to OFDM, and easy to mount. But most importantly, it would only be one radio CPE type to stock to cover all needs, allowing it to be easier to make quantity orders. In qty 25+, MTI w/ case $245 (maybe a little more with import charges) Atlas Fox $149. Pigtail Jumpers: $15 Total: $409. It would take more time to hack(build), but it would save time by not having to muck with the dish. So why is Trango not doing this yet? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/358 - Release Date: 06/07/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/358 - Release Date: 06/07/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] looking for a device
I don't think there is much out there unfortunately But YOU CAN BUY FROM MIKROTIK direct, prebuilt units www.mikrotik.com click on prices/products Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device I understand you are suggesting I wouldn't have to psychically build the devices, but that isn't what I am worried about. I want an off-the-shelf product that is supported by a vendor. That includes it being pre-built, software installed, and support available. -Matt Sam Tetherow wrote: If you order it all from wisp-router they will assemble it for your so you would get a die-cast case with the RB mounted the radios and pigtails installed. All you would need to do is set up the software end of things, which could be done with a script once you have the initial setup done. One thing to note, I have not ordered 5Ghz pigtails from wisp-router in quite sometime, but the last time I did order them, their quality was questionable. I would bet if you went the WRAP/StarOS route wisp-router would do the same. No idea on other vendors or the WAR boards as I have never ordered them. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Matt Liotta wrote: I am looking for a device I can buy that does all of this out of the box. I don't want to build my own since I need 30-40 of them in the next 30 days. -Matt Sam Tetherow wrote: Mikrotik on a routerboard 532 should do the trick although I haven't messed with the VLAN stuff. I am not a StarOS user, but I would bet that a StarOS setup on either a WRAP or WAR board would work as well. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Matt Liotta wrote: I am looking for a device with the following requirements: * Can backhaul at 11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band * Can support VLANs * Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet port * Powered by PoE (the standard is not required) * Can act as a 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi access point assigned to a different VLAN than the Ethernet port * Everything in a single outdoor enclosure Any ideas? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/358 - Release Date: 06/07/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/358 - Release Date: 06/07/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] merchant accounts/credit cards
Can anybody suggest any good vendors for a merchant account and card processing terminal? Thanks Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.0/352 - Release Date: 05/30/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] FM Remote Broadcast over Wireless (RBOW ?)
You could just convert to an IP stream and then convert back Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:30 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] FM Remote Broadcast over Wireless (RBOW ?) I've been asked if an FM broadcast station can broadcast from a remote (non-studio) location by putting the audio over an existing license-free wireless network to connect back to the main studio. On the surface of it, I don't see why this wouldn't work as long as: 1. The wireless network is reliable, and 2. The remote FM audio stream can be converted to a half-duplex stream of Ethernet packets. Does anyone know of someone who has done this successfully and, if so, what equipment was used on both the audio and RF networks? Thanks in advance, jack -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Our next WISP Workshop is June 21-22 in Atlanta, GA. Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.4/351 - Release Date: 05/29/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.4/351 - Release Date: 05/29/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] SR5s and 36miles - INPUT NEEDED
Title: Message I have a 30mile link, using the MTI dual pols panels, 23db, signals are -75dbm and 2/3rds of the link are over water I have 2 radios on each end Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 3:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] SR5s and 36miles - INPUT NEEDED Johnny, I talked to someone who has done extensive testing with Ubiquiti's cards, and from that conversation, I would use about 19 - 20 dbm as the number to go by. Apparently, there's some variability as production has gone on, not all are the same, it seems. But, if you use those numbers, I believe your answers will be AT LEAST that good or better, no matter what. Mark North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: JohnnyO To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] SR5s and 36miles - INPUT NEEDED Mike - what is the actual output of the SR5s you are seeing ? Or anyone else have exact figures - Should I be running my calculations using 21dbm or 26dbm as advertised ? JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Varner Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 10:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] SR5s and 36miles - INPUT NEEDED It may be difficult to provide a mission critical link with 2-footers; but then again Iam using CM-9's on a 17-mile link. I know this doesn't help you; but I just recently replaced my PacWireless 2ft dishes with 2ft dual-polarity Radiowaves dishes and gained 4dB on both ends. Signal level is around -62dB. Mike - Original Message - From: JohnnyO To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 9:24 AM Subject: [WISPA] SR5s and 36miles - INPUT NEEDED I've run the path calcs with Radio Mobile and I should see low -70s using the SR5s in Mikrotik and 2ft dishes at 36miles. My question is - how many people out there have links 35+ miles with SR5s / Mikrotik and 2ft Panels or dishes ? I have a link I need to have up as mission critical for a company prior to Saturday and all I have on-hand is 2ft PacWireless Dishes. Regards, JohnnyO -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.1/347 - Release Date: 05/24/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.1/347 - Release Date: 05/24/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] SR5s and 36miles - INPUT NEEDED
Title: Message I am using the MMCX connectors, 6 pigtail, with 25 of lmr600 Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] SR5s and 36miles - INPUT NEEDED That works out to 22-23db output at the SR5 card (depending on cable loss from the card to the antenna). Travis Microserv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a 30mile link, using the MTI dual pols panels, 23db, signals are -75dbm and 2/3rds of the link are over water I have 2 radios on each end Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 3:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] SR5s and 36miles - INPUT NEEDED Johnny, I talked to someone who has done extensive testing with Ubiquiti's cards, and from that conversation, I would use about 19 - 20 dbm as the number to go by. Apparently, there's some variability as production has gone on, not all are the same, it seems. But, if you use those numbers, I believe your answers will be AT LEAST that good or better, no matter what. Mark North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: JohnnyO To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] SR5s and 36miles - INPUT NEEDED Mike - what is the actual output of the SR5s you are seeing ? Or anyone else have exact figures - Should I be running my calculations using 21dbm or 26dbm as advertised ? JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mike Varner Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 10:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] SR5s and 36miles - INPUT NEEDED It may be difficult to provide a mission critical link with 2-footers; but then again Iam using CM-9's on a 17-mile link. I know this doesn't help you; but I just recently replaced my PacWireless 2ft dishes with 2ft dual-polarity Radiowaves dishes and gained 4dB on both ends. Signal level is around -62dB. Mike - Original Message - From: JohnnyO To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 9:24 AM Subject: [WISPA] SR5s and 36miles - INPUT NEEDED I've run the path calcs with Radio Mobile and I should see low -70s using the SR5s in Mikrotik and 2ft dishes at 36miles. My question is - how many people out there have links 35+ miles with SR5s / Mikrotik and 2ft Panels or dishes ? I have a link I need to have up as mission critical for a company prior to Saturday and all I have on-hand is 2ft PacWireless Dishes. Regards, JohnnyO -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.1/347 - Release Date: 05/24/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.1/347 - Release Date: 05/24/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.1/347 - Release Date: 05/24/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.1/347 - Release Date: 05/24/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Re: 900 mhz rules changes at the FCC
The FCC id on the SR9 is SWX-SR9 Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 2:58 PM To: Jim Snider Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Re: 900 mhz rules changes at the FCC Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 2:58 PM To: Jim Snider Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Re: 900 mhz rules changes at the FCC Can anyone email Jim directly with any info on those new 900mhz pc cards that are out there now? Thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Jim Snider [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 11:41 AM Subject: RE: 900 mhz rules changes at the FCC Thanks for sending this. One correction is that the LMS folks have rights to 14 MHz, not 12 MHz. Also, I wasn't able to find information about a 900 MHz Ubiquity product. Perhaps the company name is spelled slightly differently. --Jim J.H. Snider, Ph.D. Research Director, Wireless Future Program New America Foundation 1630 Connecticut Ave., NW Washington, DC 20009 Phone: 202/986-2700 Fax: 202/986-3696 Web: www.newamerica.net E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My Book Website: speaksoftly.jhsnider.net My Personal Blogs: jhsnider.net/telecompolicy, jhsnider.net/citizensassembly -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 2:41 PM To: Jim Snider Cc: FCC Discussion; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; John Seaman; Charles Brown; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 900 mhz rules changes at the FCC Importance: High Hi All, Mike, I didn't know who at Motorola to send this to so would you please forward it on? Thanks, Jim Snider at the New America foundation has been working with WISPA on the proposal to license about half of the 900 mhz band. As it's such a busy time for us he's really been heading up the current efforts. In a nutshell, there are folks who want to license 12 mhz of the band. I believe the proposal will eliminate our use of that spectrum completely. The bad part about this is that, according to Jim, the m-lms folks haven't even deployed anything! We would like to go on the offensive and suggest that since they haven't used the band in the nearly 7 years they've had the right to, they should loose it. Jim needs a couple of things sooner than later. First, how much 900 gear (and customers) is out there now? Second, what's the trend for 900? I told him that with much of the low hanging fruit already handled by 2.4 and 5 gig people are now adding a LOT of 900 to the product mix. And with the new 900 gear (from ubiquity???) that's looking like it'll be cheaper, I expect there to be a LOT of new activity over the next couple of years. What say you guys The deadline to file on the issue is may 30th. Would you guys please file on this issue. You may want to work with Jim to make sure that you get the info out there in a way that he can use as well. I've copied the relevant info from an email Jim sent me: P.S. I'm also hoping that WISPA will take an interest in the 06-49 NPRM on unlicensed operation in the 902-928 MHz band. Comments are due May 30. As you know, the M-LMS licensees are seeking to significantly expand their rights at the expense of unlicensed service. rm-10403 also has historical filings on this issue. Thanks all! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.1/344 - Release Date:
RE: [WISPA] SR9 performance
Here is the deal w/ the SR9 The DSP filter can listen on a 20mhz or 10mhz channel (RX), it can TX at 5mhz, 10mhz or 20mhz The newer atheros chipsets can listen on a 5mhz channel, but the chipset doesnt have as good sensitivity as the 5213 chipset Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] SR9 performance Someone mentioned that in their testing TX was in a 10 mhz channel and RX was 5 MHZ (or however you set) Either way, it wasn't setting it for the same width baed on what you pick - i.e. it was 5/10 10/10 and 20/10mhz respectively. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] RouterBoard 112s Does anyone know how much of the band you take up as you raise the raw data rate on the SR9s? Ie, if I use 5 Mhz, what is the data rate, 10Mhz? Chris Cooper Intelliwave I will be trying them as soon as the SR9 cards arrive.. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/342 - Release Date: 05/17/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/342 - Release Date: 05/17/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] soho router to replace wrt54g?
Marlon - My thoughts exactly Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] soho router to replace wrt54g? eeek! Bottom posting! I hate having to scroll down to the latest text! wicked grin Top posters rule! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] soho router to replace wrt54g? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can that router be purchased at bestbuy or something? Or just online? Eek, top-posting bad. Anyway, I'm not sure about Best Buy, but most of your good online retailers and wholesalers will carry the WRT54GL. (We sell and install enough routers that we usually buy 'em in 20-packs. Buy in bulk and save save save.) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/340 - Release Date: 05/15/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/340 - Release Date: 05/15/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] soho router to replace wrt54g?
Since the new wrt54g's how come out, they are crap, any suggestions for a low-cost soho router? Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/339 - Release Date: 05/14/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] soho router to replace wrt54g?
Can that router be purchased at bestbuy or something? Or just online? Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 8:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] soho router to replace wrt54g? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since the new wrt54g's how come out, they are crap, any suggestions for a low-cost soho router? Spend the extra five bucks and get the WRT54GL (basically the *good* WRT54G). Yeah, I've got a few WRT54G version 5 units in the office, and no idea what to do with 'em. Technically they're not defective, so I can't return them; however, they're flaky as all get-out and I wouldn't dare give them to customers. Maybe the customers that I really don't like and that I'd like to shove off to another ISP, but there's not that many of 'em. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/339 - Release Date: 05/14/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/339 - Release Date: 05/14/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] more CRM
Check out VTIGER its a sql based php CRM Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 9:52 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] more CRM I'm not thrilled withACT either...but I'm so deep into it that changing would be a major nightmare. The newest versions have a sequel database that is a huge resource hog. I had to upgrade to a gig of RAM on my laptop to get any kind of performance out of it. Iupgraded tothe 2005 version and it had so many bugs that they finally said that they were not going to update it anymore and you had to buy the 2006 version...nice work if you can get it. The good news is that the 2006 version seems pretty stable...albeit with a number of flaky features. Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 9:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] more CRM I looked at installing Dynamics - I'm a biz partner, so I got all the stuff, and it still didn't work. Not to mention being a total pig. I hate ACT!, but it's still one of the only things out there. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Oliver Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 8:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] more CRM speaking of ACT and crm .. anyone use MS Business Contact Manager? Or Dynamics? the latter looks like overkill. also - any favorite tricks for making calls from the CRM through softphones or otherwise? On 5/12/06, Jeff Broadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had a couple scares in the last few years, so I back up ACT and several other programs at least weekly.It's not that big of a deal...just have to remember to do it. Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/337 - Release Date: 05/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/337 - Release Date: 05/11/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FTP testing
I just setup a 100MB fiber connection, but our connection to the internet seems limited on the outbound… does anybody have a remote ssh account or interested in downloading from our FTP on the 100mb fiber? Thanks Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/336 - Release Date: 05/10/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 48port switch w/ 802.11q
Is there a beast for under $500? I know trendnet makes some *stuff* but it is port based vlaning Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/335 - Release Date: 05/09/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
What is the max throughput in a PTMP setup? Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 1:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP I disagree. I weighed the performance specs and price and I feel I will save money with this platform. If you are saying it is more expensive than other platforms then you are right but the performance boost and wider coverage per cell make up for much of the higher cost.. I disagree that mainstream WISPs cannot afford this. I know most of you guys can. If you have ANY money behind you or ANY borrowing power at all then Alvarion has a good option for offering access to a high performance PtoMP backhaul or service to higher end clients. This is a good option. With that said I am not saying it is the ONLY option but saying this is out of reach of mainstream WISPs is not a fair statement. Check the pricing and see if this can suit your needs before you assume it cannot. Scriv Mark Koskenmaki wrote: It is not financially feasible for a mainstream WISP, who is attempting to serve all types of internet customers to rely on BA for anything but specialized application., It's just too expensive. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: Brad Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 5:53 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP Mark, Come on.The whole BreezeAccess product family was made and continues to get upgrades for WISP's. There are well over 1,000 WISP's using our gear in the states alone. You won't find many of them here or on other WISP threads but it doesn't mean they don't exist. Saying we're niche and not mainstream and there is some division is a real strech. Brad - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP With that said I still think Alvarion is a far better platform than Canopy which is strictly my opinion and has no basis in fact. In the past I have been put-off by a perceived arrogance I have seen by some Alvarion representatives who have insisted previously that they had the only viable solution for wireless broadband and seemed as though they were claiming almost a holier than thou behavior toward anyone stating another opinion than their own. I have also seen a terribly biased negative attitude toward Alvarion by many WISPs who wanted to drive home the WISP=Cheap mentality to the point of alienating Alvarion from our entire market segment. Both Alvarion and most WISPs have lost a great ally in each other and I suspect both sides have suffered from such negativity. I am hoping to see this division closed between the typical WISP operator and Alvarion. Until Alvarion makes a product that's viable for more than niche market WISP, the 'division' is simply going to continue to exist. They have certain products that WISP's will find useful and valuable, but they don't make mainstream WISP last mile equipment. I have been expecting to see them announce something, but so far, I've not seen anything. The ball's in thier court. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! -- -- - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: 04/16/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: 04/16/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
Lonnie, Is the WAR/staros platform working PTMP or is it PTP? Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP What we do is measure non compressible data and that becomes the absolute max I will let someone ask for. That means with compressible data we do better than they expect. No harm done, we figure. Lonnie On 4/12/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS. UDP tests usually need to be run with Dynamic Modulation features disabled. ISPs that delver telco grade services usually need to operate without Dynamic moduilation anyway, to consistently guarantee the link capacity available to tenants, and set at a speed that can deliver reliabilty consistently, in my opinion. I know some orthogon users may differ in opinion.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP Using the 533 MHz IXP-420 we can get an Atheros to just over 35 mbps of non compressible data and almost 90 mbps of compressible data. Lonnie On 4/11/06, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan, We had this discussion a few weeks ago, although it may have been on another wireless list. What processor and setup are you using to get 30Mbps? The fastest I have seen with routerboard 532's in a p2p config is 20Mbps of TCP traffic passing thru the RB's. Do you have outdoor enclosures? Travis Microserv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe that the atheros chipset is capped at 35Mbps, although users of MT have claimed higher using very fast cpu's. I have several atheros/MT/nstream links (PTP and PTMP) that push 30Mbps…. Pretty impressive throughput, plus adjustable channels, plus QoS for VoIP and all the other features available make a nice system Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP Hi, Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their 533mhz boards in just a point to point config, using 20mhz of spectrum? Travis Microserv Paul Hendry wrote: All the details are on the Valemount web site http://www.staros.com/starvx/ Cheers, P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Goodin Sent: 11 April 2006 09:15 To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP So... Who makes them?, how much? Hi Richard, This cloaking mechanism is the 5MHz and 10MHz channel sizes that George was referring to on the Star WAR boards. Works really well and even seems to improve signal quality. Cheers, P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Goodin Sent: 11 April 2006 08:09 To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP Guys; These all sound great. I was reading just a couple months back about a WISP operator that had a severe problem. Just a few yards away, maybe 300 feet, another guy put up his tower. I think they were both on 2.4 GHZ, and someone suggested a different AP that would not even be detected by conventional systems. Something about nonstandard bandwidth, channel spacing or coding. I really feel that stealth is best here. These other guys have been in business for a while and could cause trouble that I do not need. Lee Trango does make a good product. I still have 2 Sunstream AP's in use. They are like Timex watches. I'm using Star War boards. A little bit more than the trango s. The 2 card boards in a 5 gig rootenna let me use the 2nd card for an omni. Speeds are about 20+ megs or so and I cloak down to 5MHz and 10MHz channel sizes. One of the things I've been doing is slapping up repeaters all over the place. Cheap as hell, about 400.00 or so.
[WISPA] out-sourced billing/collections
As we grow we have more of a need to outsource the billing/collections or hire somebody inhouse Is anybody outsourcing the billing? Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/307 - Release Date: 04/10/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
I believe that the atheros chipset is capped at 35Mbps, although users of MT have claimed higher using very fast cpus. I have several atheros/MT/nstream links (PTP and PTMP) that push 30Mbps. Pretty impressive throughput, plus adjustable channels, plus QoS for VoIP and all the other features available make a nice system Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP Hi, Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their 533mhz boards in just a point to point config, using 20mhz of spectrum? Travis Microserv Paul Hendry wrote: All the details are on the Valemount web sitehttp://www.staros.com/starvx/ Cheers,P.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Richard GoodinSent: 11 April 2006 09:15To: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISPSo... Who makes them?, how much? Hi Richard, This cloaking mechanism is the 5MHz and 10MHz channel sizes thatGeorge was referring to on the Star WAR boards. Works really well and evenseems to improve signal quality.Cheers,P.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Richard GoodinSent: 11 April 2006 08:09To: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISPGuys;These all sound great. I was reading just a couple months back about a WISPoperator that had a severe problem. Just a few yards away, maybe 300 feet,another guy put up his tower. I think they were both on 2.4 GHZ, andsomeone suggested a different AP that would not even be detected byconventional systems. Something about nonstandard bandwidth, channelspacing or coding. I really feel that stealth is best here. These otherguys have been in business for a while and could cause trouble that I do notneed.Lee Trango does make a good product. I still have 2 Sunstream AP's in use. They are like Timex watches.I'm using Star War boards. A little bit more than the trango s. The 2 card boards in a 5 gig rootenna let me use the 2nd card for an omni.Speeds are about 20+ megs or so and I cloak down to 5MHz and 10MHz channel sizes.One of the things I've been doing is slapping up repeaters all over theplace. Cheap as hell, about 400.00 or so.Lately I've ran lmr400 into some of my customers attics and installed anomni for their home wifi. We tend to service our customers right to the pc and it's a lot better router than a linksys. And I have happier customersand I'm happier.The 2 port and the 4 port both have dual ethernet as well.Pretty versatile product. Lonnie has come along way with the new warplatform.GeorgeTravis Johnson wrote: That's on quantity 30 $149 each. 5.8ghz, dual polarity, up to 3 miles (add $40 for a dish and it goes up to 13 miles) and delivers up to 10Mbps. Hard to beat! And with SmartPolling on the AP, you can get hundreds ofcustomers per sector.TravisMicroservRick Smith wrote: that's only quantity (large!) pricing isn't it ?Brian Rohrbacher wrote: If it's pretty absent of trees you might look at 5.8. Trango has thatcpe for $150. Not going to find any propriety gear cheaper.Richard Goodin wrote: I have been planning my WISP for about a year, and have yet to begindelivery of bandwidth to customers. My choice for service delivery was 802.11b, but with increased competition from other services nearby(about 5 miles away) I am wondering how to avoid problems. I have a50' tower, and it is ROHN 45g. My choice for antennas would be 4 90degree horizontal antennas. I have looked at bandwidth and shopped it to death. My best price is $400 from Lime Light. And I've built acouple of servers, acquired some switches and a router. The Router is a Cisco 1750.My questions:What CPE's and AP's would work best in this environment? I want tokeep interferance to a minimum, as well as control costs. Myenvironment includes lots of desert, and single story buildings.Lee --WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/--No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/307 - Release Date: 10/04/2006--No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/307 - Release Date: 10/04/2006--WISPA Wireless List:
RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
Im using a standard RB532, IP conn-track off, I am using the pacwireless outdoor enclosures or the MTI pocket antennas SR5 cards, nstream enabled, framer policy dynamic size, limit-3200 is default 4000 works a little better but have not tested w/ voip Routing is faster than bridging cpu is definitely an issue at 30Mbps I will be getting a outdoor 1ghz+ system to test which is doing 40Mbps and 80Mbps I believe w/ Turbo Lots of option, 5mhz, 10mhz, 20mhz or 40mhz channels, possibility of using 2 separate 20mhz links and load-balancing them for the 60Mbps to 80Mbps Plus you could go nstream2 and setup FDX link w/ either dual pol dish or 2 antennas. Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP Dan, We had this discussion a few weeks ago, although it may have been on another wireless list. What processor and setup are you using to get 30Mbps? The fastest I have seen with routerboard 532's in a p2p config is 20Mbps of TCP traffic passing thru the RB's. Do you have outdoor enclosures? Travis Microserv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe that the atheros chipset is capped at 35Mbps, although users of MT have claimed higher using very fast cpus. I have several atheros/MT/nstream links (PTP and PTMP) that push 30Mbps. Pretty impressive throughput, plus adjustable channels, plus QoS for VoIP and all the other features available make a nice system Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP Hi, Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their 533mhz boards in just a point to point config, using 20mhz of spectrum? Travis Microserv Paul Hendry wrote: All the details are on the Valemount web sitehttp://www.staros.com/starvx/ Cheers,P.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Richard GoodinSent: 11 April 2006 09:15To: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISPSo... Who makes them?, how much? Hi Richard, This cloaking mechanism is the 5MHz and 10MHz channel sizes thatGeorge was referring to on the Star WAR boards. Works really well and evenseems to improve signal quality.Cheers,P.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Richard GoodinSent: 11 April 2006 08:09To: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISPGuys;These all sound great. I was reading just a couple months back about a WISPoperator that had a severe problem. Just a few yards away, maybe 300 feet,another guy put up his tower. I think they were both on 2.4 GHZ, andsomeone suggested a different AP that would not even be detected byconventional systems. Something about nonstandard bandwidth, channelspacing or coding. I really feel that stealth is best here. These otherguys have been in business for a while and could cause trouble that I do notneed.Lee Trango does make a good product. I still have 2 Sunstream AP's in use. They are like Timex watches.I'm using Star War boards. A little bit more than the trango s. The 2 card boards in a 5 gig rootenna let me use the 2nd card for an omni.Speeds are about 20+ megs or so and I cloak down to 5MHz and 10MHz channel sizes.One of the things I've been doing is slapping up repeaters all over theplace. Cheap as hell, about 400.00 or so.Lately I've ran lmr400 into some of my customers attics and installed anomni for their home wifi. We tend to service our customers right to the pc and it's a lot better router than a linksys. And I have happier customersand I'm happier.The 2 port and the 4 port both have dual ethernet as well.Pretty versatile product. Lonnie has come along way with the new warplatform.GeorgeTravis Johnson wrote: That's on quantity 30 $149 each. 5.8ghz, dual polarity, up to 3 miles (add $40 for a dish and it goes up to 13 miles) and delivers up to 10Mbps. Hard to beat! And with SmartPolling on the AP, you can get hundreds ofcustomers per sector.TravisMicroservRick Smith wrote: that's only quantity (large!) pricing isn't it ?Brian Rohrbacher wrote: If it's pretty absent of trees you might look at 5.8. Trango has thatcpe for $150. Not going to find any propriety gear cheaper.Richard Goodin wrote: I have been planning my WISP for about a year, and have yet to begindelivery of bandwidth to customers. My choice for service delivery was
RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
I use a lot of different hardware from Trango, Karlnet, Proxim, and mikrotik polling systems generally perform better than non-polling gps sync may scale even better When I first used the trango 900 series I liked having the simple design and very easy install unlike karlnet. But I have had issues w/ firmware, all my APs randomly reboot as well as sus. The RB532/MT setup works (the MMCX on the SR5 and SR2 is nice, never reboots great throughput however some assembly is required but it only takes a few minutes to screw the board into the enclosure, the ECS-RJ-45 from pacwireless makes a nice external rj45 jack and connect the pigtail then add antenna Having the 2nd antenna port on the rb532 could be very beneficial although I generally like my PTP Links to be on separate hardware than my PTMP, but I do have some 5.8ghz PTP links into a dual rb532, 2nd port is SR2 for wifi I know that trango is running MT on some of the hd mesh dardware, looks like it could even be the rb532 board (not sure) Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP Dan, We had this discussion a few weeks ago, although it may have been on another wireless list. What processor and setup are you using to get 30Mbps? The fastest I have seen with routerboard 532's in a p2p config is 20Mbps of TCP traffic passing thru the RB's. Do you have outdoor enclosures? Travis Microserv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe that the atheros chipset is capped at 35Mbps, although users of MT have claimed higher using very fast cpus. I have several atheros/MT/nstream links (PTP and PTMP) that push 30Mbps. Pretty impressive throughput, plus adjustable channels, plus QoS for VoIP and all the other features available make a nice system Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP Hi, Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their 533mhz boards in just a point to point config, using 20mhz of spectrum? Travis Microserv Paul Hendry wrote: All the details are on the Valemount web sitehttp://www.staros.com/starvx/ Cheers,P.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Richard GoodinSent: 11 April 2006 09:15To: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISPSo... Who makes them?, how much? Hi Richard, This cloaking mechanism is the 5MHz and 10MHz channel sizes thatGeorge was referring to on the Star WAR boards. Works really well and evenseems to improve signal quality.Cheers,P.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Richard GoodinSent: 11 April 2006 08:09To: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISPGuys;These all sound great. I was reading just a couple months back about a WISPoperator that had a severe problem. Just a few yards away, maybe 300 feet,another guy put up his tower. I think they were both on 2.4 GHZ, andsomeone suggested a different AP that would not even be detected byconventional systems. Something about nonstandard bandwidth, channelspacing or coding. I really feel that stealth is best here. These otherguys have been in business for a while and could cause trouble that I do notneed.Lee Trango does make a good product. I still have 2 Sunstream AP's in use. They are like Timex watches.I'm using Star War boards. A little bit more than the trango s. The 2 card boards in a 5 gig rootenna let me use the 2nd card for an omni.Speeds are about 20+ megs or so and I cloak down to 5MHz and 10MHz channel sizes.One of the things I've been doing is slapping up repeaters all over theplace. Cheap as hell, about 400.00 or so.Lately I've ran lmr400 into some of my customers attics and installed anomni for their home wifi. We tend to service our customers right to the pc and it's a lot better router than a linksys. And I have happier customersand I'm happier.The 2 port and the 4 port both have dual ethernet as well.Pretty versatile product. Lonnie has come along way with the new warplatform.GeorgeTravis Johnson wrote: That's on quantity 30 $149 each. 5.8ghz, dual polarity, up to 3 miles (add $40 for a dish and it goes up to 13 miles) and delivers up to 10Mbps. Hard to beat! And with SmartPolling on the AP, you can get hundreds ofcustomers per sector.TravisMicroservRick Smith wrote: that's only quantity (large!)
RE: [WISPA] Big trouble with my first AP...
Is it possible the u.fl connectors have come loose? I have had a few issues w/ the u.fl connection coming slightly loose during the tower climb - Thanks Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 3:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Big trouble with my first AP... David, I was afraid I sounded like a newbie... Anyway, I've had the radios on different channels and the same ones; would this effect the signal strength or the s/n ratio? Signal strength is where the problem is. Also I wasn't worried that the coax or antennas were damaged, the radio itself was my worry . I tried both polarities on the antenna I was testing with. David E. Smith wrote: Jason wrote: I have a difficult question for the list. I was testing my 1st routerboard/mikrotik ap this evening with terrible results. Let me give you the rundown of what I have and what has happened. [ snip: a fairly typical kinda setup ] Forgive me for going through all the really obvious newbie stuff, but the sooner we can rule it out, the sooner we can get to the juicy stuff. :) Are the three APs on the same channel, or three different channels? And are they using the same SSID or different ones? Also, did you make sure your rootenna was correctly polarized to point to the AP? One other thing which might be the cause is that while I was setting up the mikrotik/routerboard I activated the 3 cm9 radios not realizing that they were set for the 5 Ghz band. They were probably like that for an hour until I got to that part of the setup. Perhaps something is wrong now or are the cm9's forgiving? That shouldn't be a problem. The CM9 will change over to the new frequency pretty much immediately, and I can't imagine how running the AP on the wrong channel would have damaged the coax run or the antenna. (Not saying it's impossible, just very unlikely IMO.) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/303 - Release Date: 04/06/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.0/304 - Release Date: 04/07/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband
All good points and I also think that in a urban/city environment were you have more visible rooftops that redundancy from another PoP is the key and using a routing protocol to fail over if the main link goes down Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 1:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband Travis does bring up an important issue regarding uptime. It has been proven that Wireless can be a reliable technology, the flaw is not the RF. Expecially PtP links engineered between two points on an ISPs network, controlled by an ISP. The problem however come in on the other side of the link. Can we control the factors on the customer side, that can effect reliabilty? And is it cost effective to do so? Some examples: 1. A landscaper cut the CAT5 cable on the side of the house. 2. Poor electrical causes frequent radio lockup or Linksys's to loose configs. 3. A cleaning crew, unplugs routers in MTU building electrical closet, so they can plug in their vacume. 4. A customer gets a Virus, and sends traffic patterns that manages to force lockups on AP regularly. 5. A roofer desides to setup a temp work center in front of our rooftop SU dish antenna. Packet loss every 3 minutes, when goes to grab another bunch of shingles or what ever. Many of these problems are less prone to happen with T1 lines, but it has nothing to do with technology, it has to do with deployment trends and characteristics. As a result, in some cases, short outages could occur more frequently. Thats why its so important that WISPs continue to push the many other valuable positives of Wireless that the technology uniquely gives, making it all worth it. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband Matt, Now you are comparing $150,000 point to point licensed microwave links with $150 CPE point to multi-point links? Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: We haven't been in business for 3 years, but yes we have wireless links that have 100% uptime. How many years did this entire country depend on wireless links for long distance prior to fiber optics? The M in MCI isn't microwave for no reason. -Matt Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I have point to point T1 lines from Qwest that have been up 100% for the last 3 years. That's 100.0% uptime. Do you have any wireless links that have that type of reliability? I am probably one of the largest WISP operators on this and any wireless list. I built our entire wireless backbone from the ground up starting in 1997. I spent 3 hours on a tower this morning installing two new AP's. I understand where wireless fits and where it doesn't. Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: I'll take a wireless link over a T1 any day if for no other reason then the wireless link will be more reliable. You're never going to suffer the loss of a link due to a backhoe or a drunk driver hitting a pole, which are the two most likely reasons for a T1 failure. Personally, I believe that fixed wireless is truly better and I would argue someone has no business working for a fixed wireless company if they don't believe it too. -Matt Travis Johnson wrote: Tom, The original postition and question was are you comparing your wireless service to telco T1. After your posts, it's obvious that you are... and I would argue that a land-based line will ALWAYS be better than wireless, with all other factors being the same. Now, if you are able to save the customer $xx per month by using wireless, then there is an advantage. If you can provide other services, then there is an advantage. However, comparing a half-duplex system to a full-duplex system and saying they are the same is... not correct. If you had the choice between running a full-duplex wireless system and half-duplex, which would you do? :) If you could purchase a land-based connection to go from point A to point B for $500 per month, or rent roof-top space at point A and point B for $500 per month, which would you choose? ;) Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: Travis, I'd love to perform your test. Send me the CD. Understanding that I will provision the customer at 3 mbps on our first hop router, using Trango 10mbps PtMP radio link, and that your CD test will generate 1500mbps of data transfer. There are three seperate issues here. 1) One user's connection able to effect another user's
RE: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband
Matt, What hardware are you using? Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband Travis Johnson wrote: 20 years ago before the fiber and MCI was using links, they cost more than $150k. Even our local cell phone provider has point to point links that are over $100k today. That's nice, but they don't have to cost that much. I know one of the local metro counties here is using 7Ghz licensed for trunking their 911 operations and each link cost under $50k. I am not privy to the uptime of these links, but I am guessing that they must be pretty reliable if they are used for 911 by a government entity. I've been doing this for almost 10 years I have THOUSANDS of wireless customers. How many customers do you have? The total number of failures is relative to the number of CPE. I don't really see how we can compare our businesses as we don't really do much multipoint. A customer that just buys a T1 replacement for a single location is the exception in our business. Most of our customers are buying a lot more bandwidth and/or have many locations. For example, one of our CLEC customers just placed an order for 14 new 3Mbps links. You think a CLEC is going to use us for last mile if we can't provide them with a 99.99%/50ms SLA? And if you are using CPE that is more than $150, maybe you should be looking at Trango. :) We evaluated Trango and even used them in a the field for a while. We don't use Trango anymore. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/303 - Release Date: 04/06/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/303 - Release Date: 04/06/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband
On a good system like canopy or polling (nstream or turbocell) I have been able to run a FDX style link, downloading 1.5Mbps while uploading 1.5Mbps, using Nstream I have done 15Mbps pseudo-fdx Nstream2 allows a true FDX channel but I believe only PTP Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband It is true. Basic logic says that 3Mbps divided in half means you can get 1.5Mbps. Further, find any device that can have strict time division partitioning set and test it yourself. -Matt Travis Johnson wrote: Matt, This is not true. With a telco T1, if someone starts a 1.5Mbps upload, it has no effect on the download (i.e. virus traffic, music sharing, worms, etc.). With a wireless connection, even at 3.0Mbps, a 1.5Mbps upload will bring it almost to a stop. Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: 3Mbps half-duplex delivered using 50% time division is equivalent to 1.5Mbps full-duplex. The fact that many TDD radios can have dynamic time division makes a 3Mbps half-duplex link superior IMHO. -Matt Travis Johnson wrote: Tom, Are you saying that you compare your wireless service to T1 telco service? How are you doing full-duplex with wireless? Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: Chris, I agree with your finding. But its possible your focus group did not get all the fact. (Or what was the finding?) For example, its not only important to determine what terms the customer best recognizes and identify with, but also what meaning they have for those terms that they identify with. For example, it does not surprise me a bit, that High Speed Internet was the term that the consumer best identified with. However, most people identify High Speed Internet as much with DialUP service as they do with Broadband. And if not identified with DialUP, its then identifies with DSL or Cable services. Why do we want to create the image of offering commodity services, design for huge over subscription, low repair SLAs, and best effort? Do you consider cable and DSL as a good or bad thing, as far as setting standards for quality? We don't want to be identified as that. We want to be something better. Now if you are offering lower quality, best effort, Wifi services to your clients, and you are striving to be a competitor to Cable and DSL quality, sure Brand the product as DSL, and its a good thing. And please do so, so your wireless is not identified with what we offer, branding high quality fiber extension and T1 replacement services. In your focus group did you get any results on their perception of quality that they associated with Cable and DSL or the term High Speed Internet? Would you suggest branding your T1 or Fiber offerings as High Speed Internet, since customers best identify with that term? Maybe we should be branding our service as Wi-Fiber. or Maybe Ethernet Internet Access (of course like end users will know what Ethernet means.) Its a tough call because if we called our service Fiber or T1 we'd most likely be liars based on their true definitions. Nothing exists realting to quality for us to piggy back on. All though Broadband may not be as well recognized, its doesn;t associate us with Telcos or Cable companies necessarilly. Broadband is truthfully defined as a general term to cover any media type of delivery of Internet Access. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: chris cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 10:34 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband We conducted a few focus groups here. Most of the attendees were in the 18-24 yr. age bracket. It was amazing how many didn't identify with the word broadband. The words they responded to best were 'high speed internet Wireless was way down the list. Too much confusion with cellular. That said, I think wireless will hold its own as a marketing term eventually. Wireless is the sexy new darling of the world. It will be worth trading on the word eventually. The other part of this is that we are building brands as wireless providers, so it makes sense to keep that in the mix until the world catches up. In 95-96 I was out trying to sell people on the words internet, email and website. Those words didn't register then but they are now a permanent part of the American lexicon and in the American brain. The word wireless and what it represents will eventually do the
RE: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband
Our noc is connected w/ a 5.8Ghz PTP Link. We do streaming audio from that NOC while also providing internet access.. During the day the streaming audio hits over 2Mbps and during that same time we pulling 2Mbps to 4Mbps from the internet. The system is definitely HDX but has no problem sending and receiving data providing that there is capacity on the radio link, it just switch's rx/tx so fast Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 4:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband Hi, If someone wants to setup whatever wireless network they would like to test and then let me know, I'll gladly send you a CD you can pop in a laptop and connect at the CPE side. It will dish out 4,000pps and 1.5Mbps of upload traffic. Then you can go ahead and try and download something at the same time across that same link using the same CPE connection. If it were a telco-T1, the download would not even notice the upload. Wireless, being a half-duplex medium, does not compare to a full-duplex line. Licensed and true microwave systems are a different story. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: Travis, We do not see that on our network. One provider's usage rarely has an effect on the others, that can be significantly noticed. When bandwidth management is done at the first hop at every cell site, this does not happen. I'm referring to using Trango 5830s. You are however bringing up the difference between time syncronized circuit based apposed to Ethernet products. With Ethernet, there is always a scale up and scale down of speed, based on the TCP protocol when limits are reached, but this has nothing to do with half or full duplex. The same degregation using Ethernet applies to traffic going in the same direction. For Ethernet to be a viable repalcement for T1, it must be of greater capacity. The second thing, distinguishing the difference between T1 and DSL classe, and which Wireless compares to, is more than just Speed and Duplex. SLAs, Repair Time, Network support, Peak Speed, etc. the idea is that unused bandwdith can never be gone back to regain use of. So offering 3 mbps speed allows network usage to be delivered sooner, so bandwidth is free for upcomming traffic, therefore making more traffic available for that upcomming need. Higher capacity allows more efficient use of the bandwdith. So we find that our customers tend to recognize a perception of much better speed on our wireless links than our T1 links, because they have fewer congestion times. The secret is for the bandwdith management to be provided equally on a PRIORITY basis. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband Matt, This is not true. With a telco T1, if someone starts a 1.5Mbps upload, it has no effect on the download (i.e. virus traffic, music sharing, worms, etc.). With a wireless connection, even at 3.0Mbps, a 1.5Mbps upload will bring it almost to a stop. Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: 3Mbps half-duplex delivered using 50% time division is equivalent to 1.5Mbps full-duplex. The fact that many TDD radios can have dynamic time division makes a 3Mbps half-duplex link superior IMHO. -Matt Travis Johnson wrote: Tom, Are you saying that you compare your wireless service to T1 telco service? How are you doing full-duplex with wireless? Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: Chris, I agree with your finding. But its possible your focus group did not get all the fact. (Or what was the finding?) For example, its not only important to determine what terms the customer best recognizes and identify with, but also what meaning they have for those terms that they identify with. For example, it does not surprise me a bit, that High Speed Internet was the term that the consumer best identified with. However, most people identify High Speed Internet as much with DialUP service as they do with Broadband. And if not identified with DialUP, its then identifies with DSL or Cable services. Why do we want to create the image of offering commodity services, design for huge over subscription, low repair SLAs, and best effort? Do you consider cable and DSL as a good or bad thing, as far as setting standards for quality? We don't want to be identified as that. We want to be something better. Now if you are offering lower quality, best effort,
[WISPA] sample roof top lease
Anybody have a sample roof top lease I could get a copy of ? Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.4/282 - Release Date: 03/15/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] My CPE dream list (what does yours do, or wish it did?)
Every feature discussed in this thread is available in the mikrotik OS/CPE, while I agree the completed cpe costs are costly at around $350 at 5ghz --- Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] My CPE dream list (what does yours do, or wish it did?) No, I'm not. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 4:52 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] My CPE dream list (what does yours do, or wish it did?) So basically your talking about a Mikrotik CPE w/ atheros radio at 5ghz, 2.4ghz or the coming 900mhz radio running on rb532 SBC Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 4:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] My CPE dream list (what does yours do, or wish it did?) - Original Message - From: Tim Kerns [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My CPE dream list (what does yours do, or wish it did?) Ok dream list. I think for future triple play I would make that 20 mbits what you mention plus: Ok, 20mbit capability. multiple freq. by change of radio card .. for today 900 mhz, 2.4ghz, 5ghz Ok, but what if we say flexible wireless standards, by means of standardized replaceable radios? Would that work? support for higher powered radios single and dual radio versions Ok, so you want relay capable? Can we state it that way? QOS Channel size 5mhz,10mhz etc. This is included in the flexible wireless standards statement... firewall What do you firewall? I have a small list of ports I firewall, but havent' found it to be a big issue. port forwarding Why port forwarding? I find it easier to route a small subnet of public IP's. dual ethernet What do you use ethernet #2 for? POE - prefer standard 48 vdc Ok, I did not include POE, thanks. small footprint ok, good addition. SNMP Good thing. syslogs and remote syslog How much does this really do? Who has it and who uses it? I'd love to know. watchdog, both ping and hardware !!! good :) maybe e-mail alerts through self monitoring (could be done through syslogs server) What would it alert you to? failure would be considered a disconnect, would it not, in which case you'd never get the alert... support multiple gateways CPE? Do you mean, a cpe that has 2 radios that connect to 2 different AP's for redundancy? temp range for outside installations A given, but, yeah, good spec to have. as you asked Mark dream list. Awesome. Thanks. As I sit wondering how to achieve that parity with DSL or Cable, so that I can have no large install cost hurdle and grow rapidly without any more cash binds than I'm in right now...I figured I'd see what everone wanted in a CPE. Not to evangelize a network type or particular maker's system, but just generically, to see what things people think are important... (or, what the heck am I missing, here...) North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! -- -- - Tim Kerns CV-Access, Inc. - Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 8:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] My CPE dream list (what does yours do, or wish it did?) What's your CPE do for you... Or what do you WISH it did for you? My dream list... $100 without antenna can deliver at least 10 mbit to customer Routing nat DHCP server to client DHCP client to AP bandwidth control Centralized
RE: [WISPA] My CPE dream list (what does yours do, or wish it did?)
So basically your talking about a Mikrotik CPE w/ atheros radio at 5ghz, 2.4ghz or the coming 900mhz radio running on rb532 SBC Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 4:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] My CPE dream list (what does yours do, or wish it did?) - Original Message - From: Tim Kerns [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My CPE dream list (what does yours do, or wish it did?) Ok dream list. I think for future triple play I would make that 20 mbits what you mention plus: Ok, 20mbit capability. multiple freq. by change of radio card .. for today 900 mhz, 2.4ghz, 5ghz Ok, but what if we say flexible wireless standards, by means of standardized replaceable radios? Would that work? support for higher powered radios single and dual radio versions Ok, so you want relay capable? Can we state it that way? QOS Channel size 5mhz,10mhz etc. This is included in the flexible wireless standards statement... firewall What do you firewall? I have a small list of ports I firewall, but havent' found it to be a big issue. port forwarding Why port forwarding? I find it easier to route a small subnet of public IP's. dual ethernet What do you use ethernet #2 for? POE - prefer standard 48 vdc Ok, I did not include POE, thanks. small footprint ok, good addition. SNMP Good thing. syslogs and remote syslog How much does this really do? Who has it and who uses it? I'd love to know. watchdog, both ping and hardware !!! good :) maybe e-mail alerts through self monitoring (could be done through syslogs server) What would it alert you to? failure would be considered a disconnect, would it not, in which case you'd never get the alert... support multiple gateways CPE? Do you mean, a cpe that has 2 radios that connect to 2 different AP's for redundancy? temp range for outside installations A given, but, yeah, good spec to have. as you asked Mark dream list. Awesome. Thanks. As I sit wondering how to achieve that parity with DSL or Cable, so that I can have no large install cost hurdle and grow rapidly without any more cash binds than I'm in right now...I figured I'd see what everone wanted in a CPE. Not to evangelize a network type or particular maker's system, but just generically, to see what things people think are important... (or, what the heck am I missing, here...) North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - Tim Kerns CV-Access, Inc. - Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 8:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] My CPE dream list (what does yours do, or wish it did?) What's your CPE do for you... Or what do you WISH it did for you? My dream list... $100 without antenna can deliver at least 10 mbit to customer Routing nat DHCP server to client DHCP client to AP bandwidth control Centralized management and configuration centralized or automatic update What other things do have or wish your cpe did for you? Or, characteristics of your CPE? Let's not get into dsss vs ofdm vs (insert favorite here) etc. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! -- -- - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/279 - Release Date: 03/10/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 /
[WISPA] polycom IP 500 phones -- headset options???
Can anybody suggest a good headset (wireless/Bluetooth) for the polycom IP500 Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.0/276 - Release Date: 03/07/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.0/276 - Release Date: 03/07/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance
so should primus be avoided? Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:05 PM To: John Scrivner Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance Primus is a big International LD company. That is how it began in 1994. Check out the Primus Wireless plan. Cellular and VOIP are based in International exchanges. Primus has short term debt of $26M; long term is $635M. About to be de-listed from Nasdaq. Net loss for the fourth quarter 2005 was ($25) million (including a $13 million net loss from foreign currency transactions, a $4 million gain on early extinguishment of debt and $1 million in severance expense). Revenue growth was in wireless (MVNO), Covad re-sale, and International markets. Retail VOIP services grew modestly in the quarter to approximately 104,000 customers. This growth level reflects the fact that the Company continued to moderate its investment in LINGO in part due to the disruption in marketing activities raised by E911 regulations. Revenue from retail VOIP customers reached $8 million during the fourth quarter. John Scrivner wrote: Primus tells me they are more than a VOIP company and that they do make money. They impressed me in my dealings with them. Can you share more about your information about Primus? I have a big interest in knowing anything I can about them right now. Thanks, Scriv Peter R. wrote: You haven't seen it yet, because Lingo is not profitable yet. Primus owns Lingo and Primus is basically an International VOIP company. Like so many VOIP Providers, they are still trying to figure out how to make a profit. Delta3 (which is the backend for VZ's VoiceWing) made $9.1M in revenue in 4Q05 and just $22k in income. Vonage has a customer acquisition cost that is 20 times their MRC. Regards, Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.0/275 - Release Date: 03/06/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.0/275 - Release Date: 03/06/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Sales Marketing of Unlicensed Wireless Services --SomeObservations
I'd argue market conditions is the biggest factor. So why spend the money on the higher price gear? Well currently canopy is pretty cheap but only does 7Mbps/7Mbps throughput, a MT system w/ 23db MTI pocket antenna is about $400 but will do 30Mbps with good SNR and 15Mbps w/o a problem The next step is the alvarion VL line which is pretty costly, then there is the solectek(sp?), and some other atheros based solutions, all seem to be about $1000 cpe priced solutions I want the 15Mbps to 30Mbps to the CPE and will pay more than the canopy cheapo version to get, is it worth it? Is it worth to roll my own MT solution or to pay more for the pre-rolled alvarion/solectek/etc? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/267 - Release Date: 02/22/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Solectek Skyway 7000
Whats the deal n the airaya stuff? Are they making the 5.3 stuff? What are the specs? Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-846-6798 ext 6201 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 11:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solectek Skyway 7000 Hiya Matt, I used to sell Solectek gear. Years ago. It was a good company with good gear as I recall. If you are up and running and have a good reputation in your market it never hurts to try new toys. These days most of the gear I'm buying for links like that comes from Airaya. It's great stuff and I LOVE the 5.3 band! laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Matt Glaves To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:49 PM Subject: [WISPA] Solectek Skyway 7000 I have never used the Solectek equipment and am looking at either trying their Skyway 7101 or the Trango Atlas for some short building to building links. I have seen enough favorable posts about the Atlas to know plenty of you are using it successfully although I sure wish I could get one of their sales folks to return a phone call. Leave a message about buying 250 CPEs and no one calls back Anyway J I would like to get opinions on the Skyway 7000. This would be for very short .5 mile links between buildings. We would normally use Terabeam/Proxim systems but are looking for alternatives with similar capabilities and 20-40% lower cost. Any info/opinions on reliability and real world throughput would be great. Thanks, Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/267 - Release Date: 02/22/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/267 - Release Date: 02/22/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900MHz Systems
Not at 900mhz though Does anybody have any idea on the availability of the 30Mbps access point that works w/ the $150 5Ghz cpe? Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-846-6798 ext 6021 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Sullivan Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 8:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Systems Brian Rohrbacher wrote: but that sub $300 CPE that a Trango told me about last August never showed up. So I guess I move on Brian It did. Only at $150!!! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.11/264 - Release Date: 02/17/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.11/264 - Release Date: 02/17/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900 client and omni antennas
What about the pacwireless grids? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 2:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 client and omni antennas The best client antenna in 900 depends on the typical weather / environment, not just specifically best antenna. To combat heavy foliage in very Rural areas (dry summer months),M2inc's - 17 dbiYagis have been invaluable to gain maximum RSSI, to penetrate the trees. However, they become useless in Winter weather, when they get ice buildup on them. In a ice/snow heavy environment, panel antennas are MUCH better, for example the built-in 10dbi antenna of Trango 900 radios, to get max allowed RSSIin a weather resistent panel enclosure. The F/B is poor (only 12 db), but often the best choice for ease, cost, and Dual pol flexibilty. In high noise areas, such as Urban or colocated near paging gear, ahigh quality antenna like MTI's 10 dbi panel, offers maximum F/B ratio, toblockout interference. Not much can out perform them, but at a trade off of cost and flexibility of pol change on the fly. When Yagi's can be mounted low for easy access, (within Gorilla Ladder height (18 feet), and for residential where I can afford to take the risk of not having pol change on the fly (usually consistent noise floor on a polarity), Idon't hesitate to install a Yagi as my first choice.Often Verticle is less desirable interference any way, based on paging companies. However, for critical links, installing the M2inc yagis are risky. They mounting method is horrible. It allows a lot of play for the Yagi to move in heavy winds. If mounted high on a steep roof, I avoid the Yagi unless they are absolutely necessary, because they need mcuh more frequent attention. For example to wipe the snow off of them, or re-align. There are someother Yagis that have more secure double point mounts, around 12-15 dbi, if you can afford to give up the 2 db. As for verticle Omni type client antennas, for example for mobile apps, I have no advice. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 1:11 PM Subject: [WISPA] 900 client and omni antennas What are the 900 client antennas of choice as well as omni directionals. I would like a solution that can get 5-6 miles NLOS. We dont have a lot of dense foliage that we have tried to penetrate up until now but are looking for a solution for select cells. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.6/258 - Release Date: 02/13/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.6/258 - Release Date: 02/13/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik Bridging w-Nstreme
I am not seeing results like this at all, I am using nstream on several PTP links w/ SR5 cards w/ great success, (polling on) - throughput is awesome and I have replaced all of my karlnet backhaul links (well not replaced but turned the karlnet links into backup links), I believe mikrotik is definitely the next wave, so much that I have started offering complete AP/CPE solution kits through my web store @ http://store.wbisp.com/ (site just went up last night so its under construction) Mikrotik is really bringing a great product to the market and w/ the coming sr9 cards there will be a lot of options on the table for the WISP's -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 1:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Bridging w-Nstreme This problem was solved thanks to prompt tech support from Wisp-Router. With NStreme enabled, it is necessary to assign the IP to the Bridged port, not ether1. However, without Nstreme enabled, it works fine with IP assigned to Ether1, as long as bridged to WLAN. (The same way that always worked with Star OS) There were also a couple odd things related to what order setting were checked converting from one config to another, that kept Nstreme from working, which we were able to replicate after the fact (after tech support), to prove we weren't crazy. Unfortuneately, I can't remember now, what exactly the sequence was, 5 hours later. For example, there were times when we enabled Nstreme correctly , and it just wouldn't connect. But we then disabled it, got WDS to talk again, and then re-enabled it successfully. It may have had something todo with one side of the link being completely configured before the other. Because if both aren't on Nstreme they dont talk at the radio level. So the rule was when a configuration didn't talk, disble NStreme, make it talk, then re-enable, and it would work. What I do like about Mikrotik, is that its all there infront of you, all the tools, all the features, as needed. Its pretty well laid out, once you get the hang of it. Probably the biggest feature I saw missing, was it didn't support diversity mode on the Wireless driver. It was A or B or Full Duplex. But not diversity. One of the nice things about Star-OS was that it supported diversity mode, but also it was less critical to configuration errors. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Bridging w-Nstreme Thats exactly what we are trying to do, but its not working, using version 9.12. If I try ping radios When sniffing, the station sees traffic comming in, but the AP-bridge, sees no traffic comming in. I correctly have put both interfaces Ether1 and WDS1 to the same bridge1. Won't pass traffic the second Nstreme gets selected. The IP is assigned to the ether1 port on each of the sides. I have the same problem trying to do it without WDS and straight WLAN1. I can;t pass traffic the second Nstreme gets selected. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: JNA [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 12:32 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik Bridging w-Nstreme However, it appears their may be is a flaw in config options, in the sense that there is no way to get NStreme to work in PTMP modes as a True bridge, as that would require WDS-AP and WDS-Slave which is not a supported config. Am I correct on this? Or when NStreme is used, can I safely use WDS- station, and be a true bridge? Tom, We are doing this. We have the base set to ap bridge, with dynamic wds enabled using nstream and polling. Backhaul on the towers using wds station WDS with dynamic wds enabled using nstream and polling. We then have an omni off the routerboard and the Ethernet connected to a trango 900 base via cross over. It is working as a full bridge and our clients get dhcp from the gateway server at the other end with no problem. I think this is what you are looking at doing and If so it is working for us. John -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
RE: [WISPA] MikroTik 5.8GHz Radio cards and settings.
What pigtails and connectors? Mmcx on the SR5 or u.fl? are these new SR5's or older sr'5s? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 2:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MikroTik 5.8GHz Radio cards and settings. Hey all: I'm getting some odd results here with a PtP 5.8GHz link using MikroTik that I setup to test with. Let me describe the setup... The link is 7.9 miles with clear LoS and clear Frenel zone. Each end has a 27db grid with a 3ft LMR-400 jumper to the MikroTik radio. Using the link calculator at http://www.zytrax.com/tech/wireless/calc.htm I get a predicted rx of -60.8db at each end with CM9 radio cards (17db output). Using the SR5 cards, (400mW), I get a predicted rx of -51.8 On to the real world results (all reading taken from the MikroTik's winbox. I am using version 2.9.11 on RouterBoard 230's) With the CM9 cards, I get a measured rx of -62db, well within the margin of error. An interesting note here is that I must set the CM9's output power in the MikroTik at 30db to get these results.. I know that the MikroTik must be doing something odd with this setting, as the CM9 can not put out 30db. Reducing the setting drops the rx strenth by a like amount. This link is stable and will pass 30Mb/sec in UDP and 22Mb/sec in TCP mode With the SR5 cards, I get a measured rx of -66db, well outside the margin of error and 15db below the expected rx strength! An interesting note here is that I must set the SR5's output power in the MikroTik at 30db to get these results. I know that the MikroTik must be doing something odd with this setting, as the SR5 should not put out 30db. Reducing the setting drops the rx strength by a like amount. This link is stable and will pass 24Mb/sec in UDP and 16Mb/sec in TCP mode. Nothing else is changed when I swap the SR5's for the CM9's or back again. I use the same antennas, cables, boards and pigtails. The antennas and cables are not moved between tests. (except for moving the pigtail from one card to the other). Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong here? Or do I just have some bad SR5 cards? Or is the tx power setting in the MikroTik flakey? Or is the tx power setting relative db not absolute db? BTW, I will be changing one end to a sector and wish to use the SR5 cards then. Otherwise I'd be happy with the -62 on the CM9's Thanks in advance. -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.3/254 - Release Date: 02/08/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.3/254 - Release Date: 02/08/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] MikroTik 5.8GHz Radio cards and settings.
when they new improved Sr5 (the ones w/ the updated MMCXs) I noticed a few changes in the way mikrotik behaves with them, I also seem about a 6dbm improvement in those links as well Dan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 5:31 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] MikroTik 5.8GHz Radio cards and settings. If it help, we got SR5s as soon as they where available. When I put them in a real world environment on a StarOS/WRAP set-up I saw no increase in signal quality on either end. Put the CM9s back in and still no change. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: 09 February 2006 20:10 To: Scott Reed Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MikroTik 5.8GHz Radio cards and settings. That makes sense as an explanation for the CM9 issue. Thanks... Doesn't explain the low output on the SR5 cards Scott Reed wrote: Seems to me there are posts that the MT setting values do not equate to dB. Maybe on P15's MT maillist. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 14:07:46 -0500 Subject: [WISPA] MikroTik 5.8GHz Radio cards and settings. Hey all: I'm getting some odd results here with a PtP 5.8GHz link using MikroTik that I setup to test with. Let me describe the setup... The link is 7.9 miles with clear LoS and clear Frenel zone. Each end has a 27db grid with a 3ft LMR-400 jumper to the MikroTik radio. Using the link calculator at http://www.zytrax.com/tech/wireless/calc.htm I get a predicted rx of -60.8db at each end with CM9 radio cards (17db output). Using the SR5 cards, (400mW), I get a predicted rx of -51.8 On to the real world results (all reading taken from the MikroTik's winbox. I am using version 2.9.11 on RouterBoard 230's) With the CM9 cards, I get a measured rx of -62db, well within the margin of error. An interesting note here is that I must set the CM9's output power in the MikroTik at 30db to get these results.. I know that the MikroTik must be doing something odd with this setting, as the CM9 can not put out 30db. Reducing the setting drops the rx strenth by a like amount. This link is stable and will pass 30Mb/sec in UDP and 22Mb/sec in TCP mode With the SR5 cards, I get a measured rx of -66db, well outside the margin of error and 15db below the expected rx strength! An interesting note here is that I must set the SR5's output power in the MikroTik at 30db to get these results. I know that the MikroTik must be doing something odd with this setting, as the SR5 should not put out 30db. Reducing the setting drops the rx strength by a like amount. This link is stable and will pass 24Mb/sec in UDP and 16Mb/sec in TCP mode. Nothing else is changed when I swap the SR5's for the CM9's or back again. I use the same antennas, cables, boards and pigtails. The antennas and cables are not moved between tests. (except for moving the pigtail from one card to the other). Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong here? Or do I just have some bad SR5 cards? Or is the tx power setting in the MikroTik flakey? Or is the tx power setting relative db not absolute db? BTW, I will be changing one end to a sector and wish to use the SR5 cards then. Otherwise I'd be happy with the -62 on the CM9's Thanks in advance. -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- End of Original Message --- No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.3/254 - Release Date: 2/8/2006 -- Blair DavisAOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240West Michigan Wireless ISP269-686-8648A division of:Camp Communication Services, INC -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.3/254 - Release Date: 08/02/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.3/254 - Release Date: 08/02/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.3/254 - Release Date: 02/08/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.3/254 - Release Date: 02/08/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
RE: [WISPA] MikroTik 5.8GHz Radio cards and settings.
Under advanced status the OLDER (the original sr5 cards) report 15dbm TX Power, while the new cards report 19dbm TX Power Also the CHIP INFO under General is different between the original sr5 cards and the newer SR5 cards (eeprom info) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 5:31 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] MikroTik 5.8GHz Radio cards and settings. If it help, we got SR5s as soon as they where available. When I put them in a real world environment on a StarOS/WRAP set-up I saw no increase in signal quality on either end. Put the CM9s back in and still no change. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: 09 February 2006 20:10 To: Scott Reed Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MikroTik 5.8GHz Radio cards and settings. That makes sense as an explanation for the CM9 issue. Thanks... Doesn't explain the low output on the SR5 cards Scott Reed wrote: Seems to me there are posts that the MT setting values do not equate to dB. Maybe on P15's MT maillist. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 14:07:46 -0500 Subject: [WISPA] MikroTik 5.8GHz Radio cards and settings. Hey all: I'm getting some odd results here with a PtP 5.8GHz link using MikroTik that I setup to test with. Let me describe the setup... The link is 7.9 miles with clear LoS and clear Frenel zone. Each end has a 27db grid with a 3ft LMR-400 jumper to the MikroTik radio. Using the link calculator at http://www.zytrax.com/tech/wireless/calc.htm I get a predicted rx of -60.8db at each end with CM9 radio cards (17db output). Using the SR5 cards, (400mW), I get a predicted rx of -51.8 On to the real world results (all reading taken from the MikroTik's winbox. I am using version 2.9.11 on RouterBoard 230's) With the CM9 cards, I get a measured rx of -62db, well within the margin of error. An interesting note here is that I must set the CM9's output power in the MikroTik at 30db to get these results.. I know that the MikroTik must be doing something odd with this setting, as the CM9 can not put out 30db. Reducing the setting drops the rx strenth by a like amount. This link is stable and will pass 30Mb/sec in UDP and 22Mb/sec in TCP mode With the SR5 cards, I get a measured rx of -66db, well outside the margin of error and 15db below the expected rx strength! An interesting note here is that I must set the SR5's output power in the MikroTik at 30db to get these results. I know that the MikroTik must be doing something odd with this setting, as the SR5 should not put out 30db. Reducing the setting drops the rx strength by a like amount. This link is stable and will pass 24Mb/sec in UDP and 16Mb/sec in TCP mode. Nothing else is changed when I swap the SR5's for the CM9's or back again. I use the same antennas, cables, boards and pigtails. The antennas and cables are not moved between tests. (except for moving the pigtail from one card to the other). Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong here? Or do I just have some bad SR5 cards? Or is the tx power setting in the MikroTik flakey? Or is the tx power setting relative db not absolute db? BTW, I will be changing one end to a sector and wish to use the SR5 cards then. Otherwise I'd be happy with the -62 on the CM9's Thanks in advance. -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- End of Original Message --- No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.3/254 - Release Date: 2/8/2006 -- Blair DavisAOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240West Michigan Wireless ISP269-686-8648A division of:Camp Communication Services, INC -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.3/254 - Release Date: 08/02/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.3/254 - Release Date: 08/02/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.3/254 - Release Date: 02/08/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.3/254 - Release Date: 02/08/2006 -- WISPA
RE: [WISPA] 900Mhz Grid vs Yagi
Yagi's performance like crap w/ snow and ice on them though -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz Grid vs Yagi A bit old here But check out: http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.htm There are radiation pattern examples there. As a general rule I'd have to say that yagi's are quite a bit better than grids. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 5:09 PM Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz Grid vs Yagi PacWireless makes a 900Mhz 18 dbi Parabolic grid antenna. M2 makes a 900Mhz 17.5 dbi Yagi antenna. We had found that 900 was very particular to placement, even a few inches in one direction or the other can make big differences in link quality. Has anyone used both antenna types for a specific link, to compare the properties of each of the designs. The thought is whether the wider surface area of the parabolic antenna would make it better to survive signal obstruction from swaying trees in forests. The prabolic is a monster at 3 ft dia, s othe Yagi would clearly be a better choice for a roof top chimney install based on cosmetics. But wondering from a performance perspective the comparison. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
Does the 3db SNR still apply when using 2X mode? I was under the impression that 2X requires 10db -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:20 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. If your concerned about noise consider Motorola, it has excellent noise rejection, it only needs somewhere around 3db above the noise for your throughput. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:31 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. We have a lot of fence rows in this area so 900 is going to be a necessary evil like it or not. I tried using 5.7 Trango for a few installs early on and just couldn't get any range out of it in this area, and the noise floor is fairly high in 5.x around here. It seems like more and more people are starting up in this area all the time and the noise floor continues to rise, I would like to find a solution that does well in noisy environments and maybe even something that uses the spectrum a bit more efficiently than standard 802.xx. Our FHSS has been great as far as noise has been concerned. We have had two competitors come in and install DSSS 2.4 within a few blocks of our FHSS and we never saw any difference. They have done installs shooting directly over the top of our customers on the same polarity and again it just keeps plugging along. The others in the area definitely don't give a hoot about us and how could possible affect our service or customers so I need to do what it takes to keep our network as robust as possible. I wouldn't mind sticking with FHSS but I just don't see it giving us room to stretch our legs as customers expect faster and faster connections. It is starting to work out for us though because we are starting to get calls from their customers inquiring about switching over to our service based off of recommendations from their neighbors. Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:02 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. Is foliage a problem in your area? Sounds like your using a lot of 900 gear. If foliage is not a problem you might want to look at 2.4 or possibly 5.7 gear. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/234 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
Also that is 3db at -65dbm signal -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:20 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. If your concerned about noise consider Motorola, it has excellent noise rejection, it only needs somewhere around 3db above the noise for your throughput. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:31 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. We have a lot of fence rows in this area so 900 is going to be a necessary evil like it or not. I tried using 5.7 Trango for a few installs early on and just couldn't get any range out of it in this area, and the noise floor is fairly high in 5.x around here. It seems like more and more people are starting up in this area all the time and the noise floor continues to rise, I would like to find a solution that does well in noisy environments and maybe even something that uses the spectrum a bit more efficiently than standard 802.xx. Our FHSS has been great as far as noise has been concerned. We have had two competitors come in and install DSSS 2.4 within a few blocks of our FHSS and we never saw any difference. They have done installs shooting directly over the top of our customers on the same polarity and again it just keeps plugging along. The others in the area definitely don't give a hoot about us and how could possible affect our service or customers so I need to do what it takes to keep our network as robust as possible. I wouldn't mind sticking with FHSS but I just don't see it giving us room to stretch our legs as customers expect faster and faster connections. It is starting to work out for us though because we are starting to get calls from their customers inquiring about switching over to our service based off of recommendations from their neighbors. Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:02 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. Is foliage a problem in your area? Sounds like your using a lot of 900 gear. If foliage is not a problem you might want to look at 2.4 or possibly 5.7 gear. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/234 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
Come on... they are lowering prices? Atlas will be $100 for cpe? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Whooa - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smile all over! Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight Zone!! Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long and wide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will in a day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!! giggling like a little girl Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4227 318.303.4229 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Redundant Connections
These are PTP wired links - 3 of them combined together - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 1:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Redundant Connections Have you used that backhaul to carry one of your high end business client's cisco VPNs? Most people don't even know how to detect that packets are getting sent out of order, and don't realize bandwidth is being wasted on packet drops. The reason is the only way to know is to go into the logs of the end user's VPN routers. Cisco VPN gear has some good tools to test the VPN and report the loss. It was the tech company of the subscriber, that it brought it to our attention and noticed it. And on $500 a month ARPU subs, if they see something like that, it means cancellation, if it can't be resolved. The reason is high end customers shoot for 100% not 99.9%. Andwhen things aren't perfect, the smarter techs realize that a less than perfect link could effect many different things that get troubleshooted over time, so the goal is to make it perfect to rule it out from ever being a factor. If fiber can make it perfect and wireless can't, wireless goes. That has been my experience. So my question to you is... when you use Mikrotik for Per Packet load balancing, does the Mikrotik, just guarantee that the packets arrive in order, or does the Mikrotik correct any errors in the packets getting received out of order, or are your links lucky to just be capable of delivering the packets in order? Technically, if a radio has a buffer or queue, its possible for the protocols to re-order the packets so they are back in order by the time they leave the other end of the Mikrotik router. At a small penalty of latency, re-ordering could be acheived. Its also possible that the end user VPN protocols could also already take care of that. I don't know enoguh about the VPN venders to know which protocols self-correct/guarantee correct packet ordering. When using the per packet load balancing of theMikrotik, is the Mikrotik also the radio, apposed to it be jsut the router connected Ethernet to external radios of another brand. Its possible that without Ethernet involved in between that they jsut get to the destination in order more frequently. Running per packet load balancing is much more reliable over circuits with fixed factors such as wired and fiber connections. In an RF enviroment its a much different situation. There are many factors in RF that can cause a packet to get delayed in delivery individually. For example an RF link that automatically adjusts modulation when errors occur. Because two RF links may transfer at different rates, the packets could arrive at different times. I did not specify previously, but when mentioning the risk of per packet load balancing, I was referring to using it within an RF environment. And I was referring to it being used for loadbalancing for a PtP link. Load balancing per packet between two different ISP transit providers, also could result in serious out of order packet problems, thus justifying per session load balancing. A PTP wired link, very well may be a preferred method to use per packet load balancing. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 8:22 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Redundant Connections I think it depends on the links involved and the remote termination, I currently run per packet round robin load balance across 3 T1's, no issue's with VoIP or VPN - of course the remote ends points are the same devices -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Redundant Connections It important to consider the possibilties of packets arriving out of order. Some VPN protocols (deployed by corporate subscribers), will discard the packets when they arrive out of order, and is almost as bad as packet loss. And VOIP quality can be degrated as well. Per session is preferred. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 3:22 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Redundant Connections Running a EoIP tunnel across both the T1 and your link you should be able to load-balance across both links for incoming and outgoing traffic by bonding both EoIP interfaces at the customer site and your Mikrotik box. I have done this in the past but it has been across a couple of wireless links with similar round trip delays. If you
RE: [WISPA] Redundant Connections
Can mikrotik switch between per packet or per session load balancing? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 3:23 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Redundant Connections Running a EoIP tunnel across both the T1 and your link you should be able to load-balance across both links for incoming and outgoing traffic by bonding both EoIP interfaces at the customer site and your Mikrotik box. I have done this in the past but it has been across a couple of wireless links with similar round trip delays. If you use per-packet load balancing there may be issues with packets arriving out of order but if you do it per session it should work fine. With per session load balancing you won't get an aggregate throughput of both links with a single stream but should use both links if multiple streams are flowing. Cheers, P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: 12 January 2006 19:11 To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Redundant Connections A little feedback from the collective is appreciated here. I have a high school who has bought a connection from me but is also stuck with an old T1 circuit under contract for the next 3 years. They want both connections to be used all the time and for all traffic to automatically go through the working connection if one fails. Basically they want load balancing and failover. All addresses are nat'd private space IPs. I would think I should be able to do this with Mikrotik and/or Star OS but I do not know how. Your thoughts and or other suggestions are highly appreciated. If only failover or only load balance is possible then suggestions on that are welcome also. By the way, the T1 provider is not me and will likely not work with me unfortunately. We have to leave their network settings intact. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/227 - Release Date: 11/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/227 - Release Date: 11/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/227 - Release Date: 01/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/227 - Release Date: 01/11/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Redundant Connections
I think it depends on the links involved and the remote termination, I currently run per packet round robin load balance across 3 T1's, no issue's with VoIP or VPN - of course the remote ends points are the same devices -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Redundant Connections It important to consider the possibilties of packets arriving out of order. Some VPN protocols (deployed by corporate subscribers), will discard the packets when they arrive out of order, and is almost as bad as packet loss. And VOIP quality can be degrated as well. Per session is preferred. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 3:22 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Redundant Connections Running a EoIP tunnel across both the T1 and your link you should be able to load-balance across both links for incoming and outgoing traffic by bonding both EoIP interfaces at the customer site and your Mikrotik box. I have done this in the past but it has been across a couple of wireless links with similar round trip delays. If you use per-packet load balancing there may be issues with packets arriving out of order but if you do it per session it should work fine. With per session load balancing you won't get an aggregate throughput of both links with a single stream but should use both links if multiple streams are flowing. Cheers, P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: 12 January 2006 19:11 To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Redundant Connections A little feedback from the collective is appreciated here. I have a high school who has bought a connection from me but is also stuck with an old T1 circuit under contract for the next 3 years. They want both connections to be used all the time and for all traffic to automatically go through the working connection if one fails. Basically they want load balancing and failover. All addresses are nat'd private space IPs. I would think I should be able to do this with Mikrotik and/or Star OS but I do not know how. Your thoughts and or other suggestions are highly appreciated. If only failover or only load balance is possible then suggestions on that are welcome also. By the way, the T1 provider is not me and will likely not work with me unfortunately. We have to leave their network settings intact. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/227 - Release Date: 11/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/227 - Release Date: 11/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/227 - Release Date: 01/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/227 - Release Date: 01/11/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing
No, we don't use WIFI, it is strictly a fixed wireless network at this point -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing Is your wireless network set up to allow roaming? You can't roam with fiber John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah but what about the new customer who is comparing FIOS to what I offer? FIOS will have tv and voip ( we do voip now but no tv ) Times are a changing and verizon is putting flyers on everything around boston, ma to promote FIOS, like pizza box's, dry cleaning slips etc Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing It is reasons like this that I am a firm believer in contracts! -B- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although the service is not available yet in my area, it is getting close and reports are it could be available in 2006 - check out this pricing - the 15Mbps for $49.95 a month seems like a really good deal and would be tough to beat, currently I am using Nstream/MT which gives me about 20Mbps to the customer Up to 5 Mbps/2 Mbps$34.95 - $39.95 Up to 15 Mbps/2 Mbps $44.95 - $49.95 Up to 30 Mbps/5 Mbps $179.95 - $199.95 -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.8/215 - Release Date: 12/27/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] dual band
I'm looking for a dual band high gain panel antenna (ie: 2.4ghz and 5ghz 19db+) - does such a beast exist? Thanks Dan -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] verizon fios pricing
Although the service is not available yet in my area, it is getting close and reports are it could be available in 2006 - check out this pricing - the 15Mbps for $49.95 a month seems like a really good deal and would be tough to beat, currently I am using Nstream/MT which gives me about 20Mbps to the customer Up to 5 Mbps/2 Mbps $34.95 - $39.95 Up to 15 Mbps/2 Mbps$44.95 - $49.95 Up to 30 Mbps/5 Mbps$179.95 - $199.95 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] dual band
Currently I am running separate antennas/radio's/systems on my backhauls (old karlnet gear) and the new MT/rb532/nstream stuff but I'm looking to find the best solution :-) How often do the feedhorns die? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] dual band [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks like I may have to use a dual POL dish (pacwireless makes on) basically I'm looking for redundancy, ie: using 2 rb532 so if 1 fails the other will still work, but only want 1 antenna as pricing is costly on this tower Dan That's a smart move. And you can buy a spare feedhorn from PacWireless in case one dies on ya. We do this on all our WISP main backhauls. They are Gabriel of Radiowaves instead. -B- -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell
It is a bad situation all around if you can't support your network as units fail and you can't replace them One of the benefits of the WRAP setup is that you could flash the CF card with new software in the future and not loose your investment Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 1:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell I feel your pain as well. Same deal here. WinnCom is still listing the TurboCell licenses for sale. I will confirm availability as soon as my sales guy gets back from lunch. Rick's WRAP with CF will work as well. However, if the TurboCell licenses are no longer available, I wonder if Rick will be able to continue to produce them? Other possibilities are in the works. Terrorbeam/YDI/Proxim/Karlnet or whoever they are this week annoyed a lot of people with this mishandling of the TurboCell software and hardware. Not to mention the callous way they treated the folks at the Karlnet offices in Ohio. Personally, while I will continue to buy TurboCell licenses as long as they are available, I will never consider any new Terrorbeam/YDI/Proxim/Karlnet products. We are looking toward Netstream on WRAP or RouterBoard as our long term solution. Others have their own choices for software/hardware. Planning on doing each conversion of a tower and client equipment over a weekend, then reclaiming to old TurboCell equipment for other locations on other towers Mark Nash wrote: Hello to the list... My name is Mark Nash and I own operate a little WISP of about 300 customers in Oregon. For CPE, I started out using Breezecom 2.4GHz FH radios then switched to Karlnet RSU's loaded w/Turbocell. Then the YDI/Terabeam/Proxim series of mergers acquisitions happened and I've got products from all companies but they are all Turbocell CPE. We have 6 WiPops surrounding our customer base (rural southern Willamette Valley). We're using Trango backhauls...I started out using them simply because of their low cost and advertised bandwidth. I still have two in use from when the company was called Sunstream (I think it was 2002). I remain happy about that decision. We started out with a bridged network then ARP changed my tune and we went to a routed design. OK, so...there it is. For those of you who know what's going on with Turbocell from the new Proxim, you probably know that I'm not happy as they have set out to discontinue the Turbocell client software. So I will soon have to purchase new AP's and shift some customers around because I won't be able to purchase Turbocell-based devices. That's the word from Proxim. So...anyone heard any differently? I've also asked Proxim if we can 'downgrade' our Turbocell products to 802.11b and they are saying 'no'. It's a you-know-what sandwich from which I'd rather not take a bite. Does anyone feel my pain? Any way around these issues aside from replacing CPE? Regards, Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 325 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/194 - Release Date: 12/07/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/194 - Release Date: 12/07/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments
SugarCRM is good, so is vtiger crm which is based on the sugar crm code Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:27 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments I use to do this but kept falling of the ladder as the same string was attached to both my finger and toe ;) Grab a spare PC and build a standard FreeBSD box then stick SugarCRM on it (it's not that hard to do as I've managed it ;). Once it's set-up you can admin it from Windows via the HTML login. Good things about Sugar are that it's free, you can put all your customer details in it, change progress statuses, email notifications, do salesy things like building a pipeline of potential customer revenue, trouble tickets, shared calendars, documentation repository, plus loads of other features I haven't had time to play with. It's good for when you get other staff so you can keep a track on what they are doing. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cliff Sent: 15 November 2005 20:53 To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments I tie strings to my fingers and toes... Cliff - Work 985-879-3219 www.cssla.com www.triparish.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 1:47 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments We have a full time person that handles customer calls to schedule appointments and service calls. JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Reliable Internet, LLC Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 2:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments How do ya'll do it? I used to remember everything, but I am forgetting things lately. Maybe it's old age (i did just turn 22) or maybe the work volume has increased past my memory's capacity. Either way I need a solution. Do I go with a program on the laptop? Or some kind of handheld device. I don't currently own a handheld, and would be willing to purchase. What seems to be most efficient for you all? Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.1/169 - Release Date: 15/11/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.1/169 - Release Date: 15/11/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.1/169 - Release Date: 11/15/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.1/169 - Release Date: 11/15/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments
SugarCRM charges for the outlook plug, while vtiger gives it away, plus they have a toolbar for firefox I have both systems up and running vtiger is what we have chosen to use If anybody needs to use, I can set you up on your database for either crm program (vtiger or sugarcrm) - $10 per user Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments danlist wrote: SugarCRM is good, so is vtiger crm which is based on the sugar crm code Dan SugarCRM is the basis for SalesForce.com. SugarCRM can be purchased in a hosted per user fashion that you can access anywhere. Outlook/PDA works. Mozilla has a calendar function. (Project Sunbird as a stand-alone). There is a lot of groupware / collaboration ware, but as a one-man XP shop, I have a wild idea. Use a Virtual Assitant (www.assistu.com). A VA can take/make your appointments (log them on Yahoo calendar), take your calls, do your books, etc. Better than hiring a full-time person. Drop me a note if you want more info. Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com ISP Expo in Tampa, Dec. 9 10 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.1/169 - Release Date: 11/15/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.1/169 - Release Date: 11/15/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments
Perl or php I think -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments What are SugarCRM and Vtiger written in? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments danlist wrote: SugarCRM is good, so is vtiger crm which is based on the sugar crm code Dan SugarCRM is the basis for SalesForce.com. SugarCRM can be purchased in a hosted per user fashion that you can access anywhere. Outlook/PDA works. Mozilla has a calendar function. (Project Sunbird as a stand-alone). There is a lot of groupware / collaboration ware, but as a one-man XP shop, I have a wild idea. Use a Virtual Assitant (www.assistu.com). A VA can take/make your appointments (log them on Yahoo calendar), take your calls, do your books, etc. Better than hiring a full-time person. Drop me a note if you want more info. Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com ISP Expo in Tampa, Dec. 9 10 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.1/169 - Release Date: 11/15/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.1/169 - Release Date: 11/15/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.1/169 - Release Date: 11/15/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments
Tom, Good point and its true that these products are generic but with vtiger (and I assume sugarcrm) you link just about any event/task/project to any type of lead/account Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments These all look cool for Open source of doing what Goldmine or Outlook already do, jsut with a few more features. But the problem with these is they are not industry specific and are really individual centered. Managing installtion and sales leads in the WISP industry is much different. Each sales lead is a project in itself. (close deal, do pre-qual survey, do site cisit survey, get antenna approval from landlord, start install, progress on install, order product for install, etc). All leads should come to a central queue for all to view and follow up on, and then able to be assigned, but still viewed globally. But onced assigned, it should not be bulked in with tasks that are truly personal that shouldn't be viewed from others. I believe there are more categories than jsut task, appointment, project, etc. In addition should add, tech support request, installation schedule, onsite service schedule, without combining them to the generic categories of tasks and appointments. Where as a true sales appointment would ahve different tracking and scheduling needs than an installtion appointment, etc. Thats the problem with these generic type of systems. I'd like to see something customized specifically for the processes of a WISP. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments danlist wrote: SugarCRM is good, so is vtiger crm which is based on the sugar crm code Dan SugarCRM is the basis for SalesForce.com. SugarCRM can be purchased in a hosted per user fashion that you can access anywhere. Outlook/PDA works. Mozilla has a calendar function. (Project Sunbird as a stand-alone). There is a lot of groupware / collaboration ware, but as a one-man XP shop, I have a wild idea. Use a Virtual Assitant (www.assistu.com). A VA can take/make your appointments (log them on Yahoo calendar), take your calls, do your books, etc. Better than hiring a full-time person. Drop me a note if you want more info. Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com ISP Expo in Tampa, Dec. 9 10 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.1/169 - Release Date: 11/15/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.1/169 - Release Date: 11/15/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.1/169 - Release Date: 11/15/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] service in gulfport
Does anybody provide service in Gulfport? Thanks Dan 1 Factory Shops Blvd Suite #450 Gulfport, Mississippi 39503 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/165 - Release Date: 11/09/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Will this bother WISPs?
What test site? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Will this bother WISPs? George wrote: Service is #1 after a person gets on to broadband. Service is our edge. George I just left a new installs house. While there his speed test results were saying 3,400 to 4,300k. I told the guy, look it's smokin, nobody goes this fast He said, yeah man, thats why I got yours, everyone knows your the fastest. So speed is a great advertizer as well. Speed # 2. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/150 - Release Date: 10/27/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/150 - Release Date: 10/27/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532
Paul, Was this turbo mode or standard? Thanks Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 8:11 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532 UPDATE Just tested with 2 P4's at each end of a StarVX link running on the 2 port WAR (266Mhz CPU). Bi-direction test using TCP, random data (uncompressible) shows 35-36mbps in both directions (aggregate throughput of 70-72mbps). These figures do not take into account TCP acknowledgements so the real throughput is a little higher. The StarVX's report throughput of around 37-39mbps in both rx and tx. Many thanks, P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: 20 October 2005 09:32 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532 The first tests I did where with a routed topology through 2 StarVX routers but these most recent tests is with all interfaces bridged and the StarVX client as a wireless client bridge which I believe is based on WDS. If your asymmetric performance with the RB532's is between 12 and 18mbps I wouldn't say your seeing similar performance as I am seeing 40mbps and 27.7mbps when transmitting and receiving at the same time using random (uncompressible) tcp based data. The tests are based on default packet sizes however, we run M3P (ip packing) between the Mikrotiks and when testing with small packets (50-100byte) I see the same results. The only problem with M3P is that it adds 15ms of delay in each direction under low loads. This means you see pings with a round trip time of +30ms. This does however improve when more and more traffic is passed over the link as M3P either waits for 1500bytes of traffic or 15ms to expire (which ever comes first). The difference in upload and download speed I have so far put down to one system being a 2.4GHz CPU and the other being a 533MHz CPU. Hopefully I can test with 2 P4's later today. Cheers, P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: 20 October 2005 04:34 To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532 Paul Hendry wrote: Managed to scavenge a P4 system together for testing purposes. Hey, as long as you're doubling as my personal IT lab... :) My tests so far have just been traditional AP/client mode, and I'm seeing the same sort of asymmetrical performance you are. With a pair of RB532s, depending on the random-data and packet size settings, I'm floating between 12 and 18Mbps. Thing is, I always get better performance with traffic going client-to-AP than AP-to-client. Have you, or will you, test with WDS mode? If you've already done so, are you getting better or worse performance that way? (I may or may not be able to try that particular setup before I leave for vacation on Friday. Probably not, because I've not worked with RouterOS' wireless stuff before and I may not be able to figure out how to set it up. :) Also, are you using the default packet sizes or have you been playing with those too? At least in wired network testing I've done before, the real worst-case scenario involves using the smallest packets you can get away with (because of the extra overhead in packet creation). David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/142 - Release Date: 18/10/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/143 - Release Date: 19/10/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/143 - Release Date: 19/10/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/143 - Release Date: 19/10/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.2/140 - Release Date: 10/18/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.2/140 - Release Date: 10/18/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
